Aaron Torres & Jason Martin Talk Bronny James Summer League Debut, Team USA Soccer & Basketball, & So Much More!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Jmart out in Nashville. Jmart what's going on, man?

Speaker 2 (00:34):
Man, it's been a week.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
Man.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
I'm glad to just be here talking sports now. But
we did get the holiday and all of those things.
It's just been you know, sometimes life takes over. It's
definitely been a week. Well.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
I am excited to be with you as always. And
the great part is, Jason, you know, there are moments
in every person's life, the uh, you know, the birth
of a child.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
Boy, I can feel I could feel the sarcasm dripping
right now.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
I mean, I could be starting anywhere. You know, maybe
we had a baby born in my family this week.
We didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
But yeah, happy anniversary. By the way, No, that did happen.
That was on my calendar. I may have missed it.
Who was yesterday?

Speaker 1 (01:11):
Wasn't it? Look at you, buddy?

Speaker 2 (01:13):
It was? We had it and Bo both like, that's right.
I just remember it. I remember it, and I put
it in my phone and I forgot to say something
to you yesterday.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
Actually this is perfectly applicable because I remembered it was
Bo's birthday, and this is what I texted Bo. Let
me make sure that it is radio acceptable. Let me
see here. Okay, that's interesting, I said, Bro, forgot, it's
your anniversary. Happy anniversary. I got you an arrogant head

(01:42):
coach and a net bo backup six to one shooting
guard as a gift for your favorite basketball team. That's
a little dark. That's a little dark. No swears know nothing.
And I'll continue to say what I have said about
Bronni pretty consistently. And I did open with a lot
of sarcasm because today was the it was the debut.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
I haunted historic debut.

Speaker 1 (02:08):
Yes, like I said, we will remember where we were forever.
When Bronni went to the California Showcase California Classic excuse
me out in San Francisco and put up a stat
line of four points on two of nine, shooting, two rebounds,
to assists in one steal in twenty two minutes of play.

(02:29):
So listen, we've had all the takes on should he
have been drafted, should he not have been drafted? He
makes his debut with the Los Angeles Lakers, and I
hate to be crash, and I hate to be sarcastic Jason,
but maybe not sarcastic. But it went kind of like
how pretty much everybody thought it was going to go right.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
Yeah, honestly, he had four points. He had four points,
and that's fine, right, I mean, it's a summer League game.
But I will tell you something. We talked about hatred
not coming towards Bronnie and going right to his dad
that there's really nothing Bronnie has done wrong, and that's
still true, right, But I just got to point this out.

(03:13):
I went to our favorite four letter dot com website
and so they, of course, if you've been to that website,
which most people have, they'll have you know the score,
and then they'll have several things about that game that
stood out. And the second biggest thing to happen outside
of I mean, they've got this Copa Americana situation here,

(03:34):
that's happening live. And then right underneath NBA Summer League.
So that's the second most important thing. Apparently it happened
today Kings two. Kings Team two won one away to
ninety four. Let me tell you what the headlines are
in order. Bronnie drives and drains his first Summer League
bucket is Lakers fall to Kings. What mattered most? And
Bronnie James NBA's Summer League debut. Insiders breaking down Bronnie's

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performance in the opener. Number three, Come on, man, that's tough,
lebron and reacts to Bronnie's first bucket. Number four, Bronnie
puts filthy move on his defender for a Lakers bucket.
Number five, Bronnie Steele sets up a Lakers bucket. Those
are the only things mentioned at all. And then the
sixth thing is Bronnie James fit with the Lakers. So

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that's number six. So there's six takes about this game
that they lost by fourteen, and he scored four points
in he scored less points than there are headlines about him.

Speaker 1 (04:25):
Wow, on one.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
Website in a game might and I just got to
point this out. Someone in this game a rookie scored
thirty two points in this game, but you would have
to go to the box score to find that because
it's not there. You want to see where the hatred
will be generated from, it's that right there.

Speaker 1 (04:49):
Well it's tough. So I don't disagree. And I think
you and I were both in kind of lockstep a
week ago that you know, I don't think either of
us even still listen, you know, Get gets a crazy
contract relative to you know what, he probably should have
all that, Like I get all that, and we were
in lockstep a week ago that he has not brought

(05:12):
on any of this himself. He happened to be the
son of Lebron James. He's trying to make his own
name whatever. I don't know that like he I still
think I disagree with you a little bit from the
perspective of I don't think he becomes the bad guy.
I just think what I will say is that this
has to me a lot of Caitlin Clark vibes from

(05:34):
a few weeks ago. By the way, looks like we
got a little bit of a stunner in Copa America
as Uruguay has beaten Brazil in penalty kicks, so Uruguay
who knocked out Team USA, and I got some thoughts
on TMSA. By the way, all the people the want
of the TBSA coach fired. Maybe Uruguay is not as
bad as we thought. But Uruguay advances in Copa America

(05:56):
knocking out Brazil. All right, so we'll get back to
soccer actually pretty soon here, Jason, But do you want
to stay with Bronnie. I don't listen. I don't know
if he becomes the bad guy, but I do get
big Caitlin Clark, You're trying to force a story on
us that we do not care about. Now, the Caitlin

(06:18):
Clark thing, I will say, we're gonna talk about it
later in the show. I think it took. It did
become a topic that people cared about when it became
political and conversations about her sexuality and her race and
her this. But like, I don't know that people care
that much as much as the Four Letters is trying
to make us care about the actual basketball on the court. Again,

(06:39):
we'll get back to that later in the show. But
that's the vibe with Bronnie, is is it's just maybe
you're right. I do think that people are just ultimately
going to get annoyed with him and the coverage around him,
because like everything else Jason, it is not warranted. He
has done nothing to prove that he should be on
this stage. I don't blame him for being the son

(07:01):
of Lebron James and his father manipulated the situation to
get his son drafted. I think that the father's looking
out for the son. Dads do that across the country
every single day. But I do think there I guess
I'm leaning more with you in that I think there's
going to be public backlash if they if the people
that cover this sport keep trying to shove this down

(07:24):
our throat as if it's a real thing.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
All right, So I think you're right. I think I
think the hatred will go towards the story. He's just
going to be the face of the story and eventually
you're going to roll your eyes at him. But I
think that the brunt of it is just going to
be on a story that feels like it's getting way
more than it deserves. That said, I do think the

(07:47):
only the only, like the biggest highlight coming out of
that game, because it's a summer League game is the
fact that Bronni played and what did he do. But
I don't think he needs six headlines for it. I
don't think it's that important. I don't think you need
everybody's reaction to the insider's breaking down what he did
and what it's going to mean. And like, we haven't
gotten there. He didn't earn his spot. He also doesn't

(08:07):
earn this level of coverage like that. That's the other thing,
and I think that's where some of this can backfire
and and maybe some of it sticks to him. I
do think you have to mention it. I mean, we
talked about it. We knew we were gonna lead with this.
He had four points in the game. But it's a
name because of his dad, and it's a story that
has largely been the only thing coming out of the

(08:31):
NBA Draft that is worthy of real mention in terms
of what's going to move the needle on a national perspective.
But I do like eventually it's it's going to have
to actually translate to something or it's gonna be a problem.
Like we can sit here and we're in July, so
we could certainly do this. We can list stories that

(08:53):
the four letter and everybody else turned into something, and
even ones that were certainly something relevant that became Oh gosh,
do I have to hear about Brett Varv and Aaron
Rodgers again? Do I have to hear MJ versus little
Bron again? Do I have to hear X, Y and
Z again? Gosh? They will never stop talking about this

(09:13):
person or this story, Like gosh, I'm so tired of it.
But the reason why they keep doing it is because
people do get engaged in it, Like the comments. If
you were to Let's say you go to the Athletic
and they've probably got to they have a story up
right now about BRONI if you go to the comments,
I bet a lot of the comments are we don't care.
But you were there on the article and spent the

(09:36):
time to say that. And that's why it's kind of
a double edged sword. I can understand why you want
to give it some publicity. I don't think it's earned
this level of publicity. And if you overdo it, and
I think that's the key in what you said, if
you continue to try and force this as opposed to
letting it generate its own, you know, universe, then it

(09:58):
feels AstroTurf. Then it feels fake and then everyone will
reject it.

Speaker 1 (10:06):
It's funny. And I know this person is, you know,
polarizing whatever, and I know he's made a career off
of criticizing Bronni's dad. Let's get bay, let's listen. I
know he works for this network whatever. But you know throughout,
you know, four or five tweets during the game, and
my whole thought was like, by the way, he's much
more successful this business than I am. So maybe I'm

(10:28):
the idiot for not live tweeting Bronnie's debut, But to me,
it was like, why are we analyzing analyzing this as
if it's a real prospect, that's a real story. And
maybe it is still a real story. But you know,
like the opening line of one of his tweets like
not seeing much from Bronnie yet, and then he goes

(10:50):
into what he's done, but it's like, yeah, we're not
seeing it because there's nothing there, right, because there's never
been anything there, and no one that knows basketball follows basketball,
believes in basketball. You don't even have to be a
basketball fan. Let's just use common sense again. All of
the stuff that everyone has talked about for the last

(11:11):
two or three weeks leading up into and through the draft.
You don't average whatever he averaged at USC as a
freshman be crazy undersized. And I know he had the
heart serious you know, not even a condition. He had
a serious you know, he had cardiac arrest. I get it.
But at the same time, he came back, and it's
just like, I just I don't know. It's just like,

(11:34):
why are the way that when I was reading those tweets,
you know, I happen to go on social media and
I saw it. It's like, why are we treating this
as though he's a real prospect, Like, you know, no
one really thinks he is. I have yet to hear
anybody make the really strong case outside of JJ Redick
and Rob Polinka obviously that he is like a legitimate

(11:54):
NBA prospect at least right now. And it's just I
don't know. It's like, I'll be honest, I almost didn't
even put this into the.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
Show, and I thought you knew we had to exactly yeah. Yeah,
And that's that's frustrating its own right. But to your point,
there's no there there like there there's there's nothing there.
Let me take this to a very current point. So
there's a lot of democratic governors right now and senators
and House representatives that want to see the President of

(12:27):
the United States reassure them that he is up for
the task. Everyone knows why we you know, we all
saw the debate. We've all seen the aftermath. You know,
they had an interview where eight million people sat there
to try and be reassured. The problem is, you can't
be reassured when there's nothing there, Like you can't reassure
something that doesn't exist. It's the same things like Ronnie

(12:50):
not seeing anything from him yet, right, because you've never
seen anything from him before. It was nothing there for
him to lose. He can't prove something. He can't show
you something that doesn't exist. Our president can't show you
something that doesn't exist, like eventually you recognize what's in
front of your face and you see it with your eyes.

(13:11):
That's why this whole thing feels so ridiculous, because we
understand watching Bronnie, he should not be here but for
his dad. So you can't gaslight us if you're in
the media and tell us stuff like, man, he's got
a lot of room to grow, right because he's starting
at negative five, Like, there's there's And I've said that

(13:32):
now two weeks in a row because it's just the truth. Like,
and I hate that because he's a young guy that's
done nothing wrong except that he is the object of
maybe the biggest case of nepotism ever seen in American
pro sports.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
Well, the last part is, as far as I know,
I don't think there's.

Speaker 2 (13:53):
Really I think maybe maybe there was something I missed
way back, but certainly in my in my experience, it would.

Speaker 1 (13:58):
Be Yeah, I can't think of much of anything that's applicable.
But I'll tell you what, Jayson, there is one more
angle on this Bronny conversation, but more specifically the state
of the Lakers. I think what we saw today again
Bronnie makes his debut four points on two of nine shooting.
What it says about not just today, but the state

(14:20):
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Speaker 1 (15:07):
Welcome back, everybody. Fox Sports Radio ERRATORUS Jason Martin broadcasting
live from the Tirec dot Com studios. You know what,
jmart I was gonna talk a little bit more Lakers,
but I am gonna switch gears. Disagre's gonna have all
of the updates on the COPE America tournament. But it
feels like a good time to kind of hit on
this topic because Uruguay actually advanced past Brazil tonight kind

(15:31):
of a I would assume a stunner and again Disaga
will have the update, but I bring it up because
this comes obviously just days after the US was unable
to beat Uruguay uh and was eliminated in the group
stage of this tournament. And so why I want to
talk about, Jason is this is that as soon as

(15:51):
the game went final, and frankly, well before the game
went final. You know, listen, I know social media is
not a reflection of everything, but you go on social
media and literally everyone, oh, we gotta get rid of
the coach. Greg Burrholter is the worst coach that I
have ever seen. And I bring it up because I
don't you know, I'm not a soccer expert, but everyone

(16:13):
says he's not good. That's okay, whatever, But I'll also
say this, Jason, you know what other coach that I
have been told is no good and needs to go
and is the reason that Team USA cannot reach its
potential as a soccer nation. Literally every coach of my
entire life. Jason and I was thinking about this after

(16:35):
they got eliminated. I'm not saying that the US shouldn't
strive to be the best it can be at every
single sport, but it kind of drives me crazy that
there's really no track record of the US ever being
very good at soccer. Now we've had a run or
two here or there in the World Cup, but never

(16:58):
being really good good, and yet every time we lose
in a big international fire the coach gotta get a
new coach. Why are he is holding back? The entire
program drives me crazy, Jason. We saw it again this
week after USA was eliminated by Uruguay in the Coup
America tournament.

Speaker 5 (17:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
Well, I mean Burholter wasn't particularly popular among a lot
of soccer Fishonados, and he had kind of rubbed some
people the wrong way, so it becomes time to dunk
on him for those people. But you're right, like your
bigger point is true, US is not very good at soccer.
They're just not. It, doesn't you look at it. You're like, well,

(17:38):
why why not? I mean, we have all these athletes
and all these other sports. Yeah, but those other sports
are what most of these kids are playing, you know,
from a young age, and all these a lot of
these other countries are seemingly coming out of the womb
with soccer balls. Like that's just.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
And there's not the d It's not like you know,
kids in this country and it's a great thing. They
take horseback riding lessons, they swim, they take they you know,
they play multiple sports, and that's great, that's a privilege
of living in this country. But I'm guessing, just let's
use your guy as an example. I don't mean a stereotype,
and I hope this doesn't come off the wrong way,

(18:16):
but I'm guessing most of those kids are not playing
three four five sports growing up. It's pretty much all soccer.
And it's again, I didn't mean to cutch you off.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
Keep going, I apologize, Yeah, I mean truthfully, and what
you're saying is right. I mean, soccer is a sport
that is much more approachable because really all you need
is the ball on feet, Like, yes, but you can
turn anything into a goal, Like you don't technically have
to have a goal. But you don't need to go
get all the baseball equipment, right, you don't need the
four hundred dollars bats and all of those kinds of things.

(18:48):
You don't need the pads. Maybe you need some shing guards. Well,
it's the first sport that I played when I was
a kid. I'm pretty sure it was soccer, and that
was because there was a youth soccer league and so
I got involved at that fairly early age. But it's
so we're going to do this again in a couple
of years because we always do. Oh, soccer is going
to be huge in this country. Look at this. You

(19:11):
do have an opportunity to grow it a little bit
during the World Cup. Same thing happened in ninety four.
But soccer is always going to have a niche compared
to bigger sports. And I do think at some point
it's just like, well, we can be the best. No, No,
I just don't think you can. I don't and I do, like,
I know what was Alexi Lallis said, Yeah, I'd love

(19:34):
to coach if they wanted me to coach, I'd love
to coach. I think, honestly, you do something like that.
Maybe not Alexi specifically, although maybe him, but I mean
somebody that we know who is like that. Actually, general
human beings know who is in the country, not just
huge soccer heads. Who are going to know who a
Greg ballt, Greg Burgholter is or you know Kleansman or

(19:59):
some these guys that come in. But all right, we
all remember Loless because he was kind of more of
a celebrity and a symbol because the hair and all
that kind of stuff. And again from that ninety four team.
A lot of those guys became fairly household names. I
imagine if Landon Donovan won to coach, I mean, I
think you got to turn it into something, but you
also have to recognize what it is. Doesn't mean that

(20:20):
you could never ever win. But any expectation of getting
passed around the quarterfinals in the World Cup to me
is just you're gonna have to sell me on that,
Like there's no reason for me to believe that.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
Right, yeah, I mean it's it's like, you know, I'll
give you an example. I remember two years ago, I
was at the Final four. You kind of wins its
first of back to back national championships, and I remember
talking to a Miami fan. I remember you kind of
played Miami of all schools in the final four, and
I remember talking to a fan in the lobby like, oh,
you know, so sorry, you're season end whatever, and they
were like, it's just a dream to be here, you know.

(20:54):
It's I never thought i'd see my school in the
final four. And I just bring it up to say, like, yes,
there could be the scenario where the US gets past
the round of sixteen, you know, the first round after
the group stage, there could be a scenario, but we
don't have any historical data that that should be happening consistently,

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and if it happens once, it's going to continue to happen.
I'll tell you what, Jason, I have more thoughts on this,
and I have another question for you pertaining the team
USA soccer will come back. We will discuss that for
I do though, first time this evening on our show.
Let's toss it over the news desk to Sega, what
is trending?

Speaker 6 (21:33):
Good evening, gentlemen, and you're correct, it is an unrealistic
expectation that US men's soccer get past, say, a World
Cup quarter final. The thing is, what's been happening with
this crew the last year is just seems light years
away from even that standard. So it wasn't just the
loss to a top twenty Uruguay team that put people

(21:53):
up in arms. It's the fact that it's been month
after month after month that this team is going nowhere
and where you're going to be a co host of
a World Cup. There's the potential of global embarrassment as
opposed to just regional embarrassing.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
Question.

Speaker 1 (22:07):
I don't mean, I don't mean interrupt would it be
global embarrassment. I don't think any I see, I fundamentally disagree.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
It would be if they don't qualify.

Speaker 1 (22:16):
Aren't you automatically qualify? Yeah, I'm saying that.

Speaker 6 (22:20):
To my knowledge, literally every host of a World Cup
advanced out of its group until South Africa hosted and
they're not good at this sport.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:28):
Well, I don't think the USA is good at this sport.

Speaker 2 (22:30):
I don't.

Speaker 6 (22:31):
I don't think rankings would disagree because they're usually.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
People in England will like the way we like make
fun of Lebron and the Lakers when they lose in
the first round. I don't think people in England will
be like laughing at the USA. I don't think we're
good enough to be taken seriously by those countries.

Speaker 6 (22:51):
I hate to say it, but there's a difference though,
between expecting a quarter final or just getting out of
your three games in the group stage. There's a huge
difference between that, and that's what the US isn't even
doing right now. They scored five goals total in their
last five games, so it's not just the last game
that was played. Since October, the record for the US

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men is a losing record.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
Five sixty one. And I'm not saying that Burholter is
the answer. All I'm saying is and we could continue
the conversation. I don't mean to interrupt your update.

Speaker 6 (23:21):
No, it's a bigger problem than even Jess Burholt. I mean,
he's not the answer. US Soccer hired him, they let
his contract expire at the last World Cup, and then
they just rehired the old guy after months of an
interim guy.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
Where are you going with this?

Speaker 6 (23:37):
So we can't I like the fact of one thing
what the fans are saying essentially is we can't say
we're successful by continuing to beat Panama and El Salvador
and some of these regional opponents, because when we played
a real team as a tune up for this tournament Columbia,
we lost five to one. And in US history, I
mean in history since the first World Cup, we've got

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more than one victory in a World Cup once ever,
and that was with Landon Donovan making a run to
the quarterfinals about twenty years ago. This top twenty Uruguay
team continues to win. They've eliminated Brazil on penalty kicks
in Las Vegas tonight, an ugly game in the ninety
minutes forty one fouls total in this Copa America quarterfinal

(24:21):
on FS one, but Uruguay, in their tune up a
month ago, beat Mexico four nothing, and late last year
in World Cup qualifying, Urguay beat Argentina and Brazil in
back to back games and had a tie game against Columbia.
Colombia's unbeaten in its last twenty seven games over the
last two and a half years, and in front of
forty thousand fans in Arizona. Today, Columbia won five nothing

(24:44):
over Panama in a Copa America quarterfinal. As for the Euros,
England won its quarter on penalty kicks against Switzerland. Netherlands
came back to beat Turkey eight two to one. The
semi start Tuesday on Fox TV with Spain versus France
at Wimble Number one Egas Fiontec lost in three sets.
The Sacramento Kings acquired Damar DeRozan. He'll get a three

(25:06):
year contract. Harrison Barnes goes to the Spurs in the
sign and trade. Among the WNBA's two games, Minnesota won
at home tonight. Indiana got a home win and a
comeback against New York today eighty three seventy eight Kaitlin
Clark at triple double, the first by a rookie in
league history. And there are two late games in Major
League Baseball in San Diego. It's still Arizona two to

(25:27):
one over the Padres in the bottom of the sixth inning,
and the other Lake game has now gone final at Colorado.
Rocky Peat Kansas City three to one, Atlanta over Philadelphia
five to one, Dodgers beat Milwaukee five three. Show Hey
Otani leads to the National League in homers hee at his
twenty eight I got to mention at the Brave's own
game tonight, it's not just that they wear the greatest

(25:49):
uniforms for any Saturday in Major League Baseball, the Hank
Aaron Era unis, but Braves Hall of Fame manager Bobby
Cox was in attendance and received a standing ovation.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
It was great. Back to you, Thank you very much,
Steve Saga, Fox Sports Radio, Fox Sports Saturday Er towards
Jason Martin, broadcasting live from the Tireq dot Com studios. So,
Jay mart let's continue this conversation because as we discussed,
so as de Saga just told us, Uruguay has advanced
in Coopa they beat Brazil. Of course, Uruguay is the

(26:21):
team that knocked the US out of this tournament. Do
you have any thoughts on just bigger picture? Because I
just sit there and say, again, uh, listen, I am
never going to say that you shouldn't strive, especially the US,
with the resources that we have, with the finances that
we have, we should It's not that we shouldn't strive

(26:42):
to be good at something. I do think the expect
I don't even want to say. I don't want to
say the expectations are unrealistic. What I want to say
is that the expectations don't, in my opinion, fall in
line with anything that we've seen historically. And so I
just bring it up because do you have a thought.

(27:03):
I I sort of have a half baked thought that
I need to make sure I articulate properly because I
didn't do a very good job of it the other
day when I was filling with the Empire. But do
you have any thought on why or at least in
my opinion, By the way, do you disagree that the
expectations relative to the results are unrealistic?

Speaker 2 (27:20):
Yeah, I do for most people. I mean, I don't
know what just general, Like what is ordinary sports fan
and that's a good que football fan, Like what is
his expectation, what is her expectation of what the US
is going to do. You get excited because you still
want to see your country do well. But if you're
going to measure your expectations and you're gonna look at history,

(27:41):
and you're gonna look at the makeup of the team
and how these guys have performed an international play. I
always go back to the same thing. You always get
the well soccer skin explode and look at these attendances
at these various MLS games and you know, look at
all the international people that are going to the Nashville
team here Nashville site just I mean, it sells out
all the time, and it's a great environment. It is

(28:02):
it's a funny, it's a fun experience. But here's the thing, right,
But they don't need Team USA to cheer for, right,
Like if there's a bunch of if there's a bunch
of international fans, they are gonna cheer for their country.
Like if you came here from Mexico, maybe you'd cheer
for Team USA, but you might also cheer for Mexico.
I would think, and that would be the case you
came from Costa Rica or if you came from Brazil

(28:22):
or Argentina or anything else, you're gonna go to the
MLS because you can see Lionel Messi and Miami or whatever.
But I think the biggest problem as it relates to
just where fans are and watching soccer is the MLS experience.
First off, the MLS doesn't translate to the World Cup
at all because of the way international things are set

(28:44):
up and how many of the guys that are in
the MLS are gonna go play for their home countries
and all of that kind of stuff. There's just there's
a big time disconnect, and there's always this cell job
out there as to why you need to get on
the soccer train. It's like it's just my expectations for
the team kind of match up with my expectations for
the sport in the country. It has its moments, but

(29:08):
it's never going to be a consistent thing, and that's
kind of how I feel about Team USA. Every once
in a while, you know they'll do something and they'll
they'll pull a game out that you're not expecting or
something like that, like they did a couple of World
Cups ago where it got kind of exciting there for
a minute, but at the same time, nobody is looking
at them like, boy, they're a threat to win it all.
And even when Steve mentioned, you know, they're usually in

(29:30):
the top twenty five, I'm like, yeah, if you're one
of the twenty five best teams in the world, I
don't know that that's all that impressive to me.

Speaker 1 (29:38):
Like, like, you'd have to sell me on that too.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
You'd have to make me think that that mattered, because
I mean, that ain't getting you into quarterfinals A lot
of times, that won't get you out of the group, right,
because I don't know, I'd have to look up exactly
how many teams are in the World Cup. But there's
just there's a lot of things that are absent here
on the side of the expectation, on the side of
the sport in general, on the interest level, and yes,

(30:04):
with what they're actually doing on the pitch itself.

Speaker 1 (30:07):
Yeah, and I understand. Actually I think that there's two
elements too. I think, as the Sager just pointed out,
even at whatever your ranking is, you're losing to teams that,
according to the rankings you shouldn't be losing to And
then you know, Dan Byro when I was working with
him the other day, kind of pointed out like the
other problem is that, you know, when you get to
these big international tournaments, even when you have success, you're

(30:29):
not beating the teams that take you to that next level,
you know. So it's almost like whoever, you know, the
team that can win the division in the NFL, But
then you get to the playoffs and you play the
Chiefs or whoever, and you can't advance. And and I
think there's something to all of that. And I just

(30:49):
I look at the team USA and I just say,
you know, the analogy that I use the other day,
Jason is again, I know I keep repeating myself, so
I apologize. It's not that I don't think Americans should
have realistic expectation or or or strive to be great.
And I will say, like, you know, may I think
the point that you bring up is I would be

(31:11):
curious and people are welcome to tweet in at Aaron
Underscore Torres at Jmart Radio. As a matter of fact,
why don't we just we can even open up the
phone lines if people want to call in one eight seven,
seven ninety nine on Fox one eight seven, seven, nine
nine six six three sixty nine. Because I think that's
a fair point. You know, legitimate team USA soccer fans

(31:32):
are very vocal, but I don't know what the realistic
expectation is for the dude that or woman that doesn't
live it day by day, week by week. I guess
I would just wrap because I did say this with
Dan Byer the other day. Is to me, it's almost like,
you know, I use the analogy. It's like Mississippi State football, right,
It's like, you know, yeah, you want your team to

(31:53):
be good, but Mississippi State fans don't wake up every
day saying we should be beating Alabama, we should be
beating lu because or maybe they do, I don't know,
but like there's no history of them doing that, and
so because there's no history of a certain team in
any sport doing anything, I don't understand why the fans
expect something different.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
Does that make sense, Jason, Yeah it does, And that's
a good analogy. But I will say this thinking as
you were saying that the job of USA Soccer is
to compete, the ultimate goal of USA Soccer is to
win a world Cup. If somebody is failing in that,
then that's up in Team USA needs to take up

(32:34):
any and the fans are gonna say what they're gonna say,
same thing. Like think about Mississippi State. Yeah they're not
being Alabama, but their coach isn't remaining there for a
decade either, Like they're still bringing in another coach. Their
fans are still saying, let's get somebody else. Because let's
just say this, You're never going to succeed in making
sports matter if you extinguish hope. Yeah, hope is incredibly

(32:57):
important for every fan base like you. Not winning is
not winning a college football championship. I hate to tell
you that, but one of the great things about every
off season is you're all zero and zero and then
you have an opportunity and you can talk yourself into
it and have some fun with it. Now, I don't
think you can talk yourself into Yukon. I may have

(33:17):
taken it a little bit too far there, but you know,
if you're Mississippi State, you're still in the SEC and
you still feel like there could be it could be
better than it is. Even if you're four steps off,
Can we make it two steps off and again, like
you look at the Burrholter thing, and it's true, like
outside of what Bruce arena, there really hasn't been somebody

(33:37):
that has had that kind of success where you've really
bought in for at least a year or so for
what's going on. It's all kind of been calamitous and
falling apart and all that. But I do think that
you have to take into consideration the Team USA's ultimate
goal has to be to win a World Cup. It
has to be. That's the only reason there in existence

(33:59):
is to win matches.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
Real quick, I'll tell you what, why don't we come
back continue this conversation because I want to. I'm gonna
actually write that down. Team USA ultimate goal to win
World Cup, all right, So we're going to come back
and to continue this conversation. By the way, if you
do want to weigh in, what are your expectations one
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(34:22):
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a little bit about Team USA soccer lose.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
Wait a second, is this about? Is this is this
song in an honor at Kaitlyn Clark?

Speaker 1 (34:47):
Today was a good day.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
Messed around, got a triple double.

Speaker 1 (34:51):
Messed around, got your all. We'll find out on top
of the hour we'll be discussing Kaitlyn Clark. So a
couple things, Uh, we got a couple U we do
have a call. First, Roll says, I don't mean to
interrupt you, and then immediately interrupts your co hosts eight
times in under two hours. Gotta be a record for you,
Torres the worst. Well, that didn't really answer the question

(35:13):
that we posed before the break.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
Well, not to interrupt you, but.

Speaker 1 (35:17):
But no, we did pose before the break Team USA soccer,
what should be realistic expectations after the loss to Uruguay
in the Kopa Tournament. Interesting question? Tweet it in from
lore keeper od and I think there's an obvious answer
to this, Jason, but I'm curious from your perspective. This

(35:39):
person says, why is the US women's team perennially elite
while the men are mediocre at best, we obviously have
the resources to make the women excellent. What's missing with
the men? I think there's a pretty obvious answer for that,
but I'm curious. I'll toss it over to you first.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
I think it's because of the genesis of women's soccer, right,
and that what you would say, like, it's not a
sport that has it's not the same kind of sport.
It's not the same in terms of like the history
involved and all that kind of stuff, like we weren't
so far behind the eight ball to start with. Well,
I think that would be one take at least.

Speaker 1 (36:13):
Well, I think it's that, and I just think we're
one of the few countries that invests in the money
all yeah, in women's athletics. Yeah, so that's the easy
one to me. I don't think it fully explains though,
why the men's stink, because clearly financially we have invested
a lot.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (36:31):
You know, Shae has a background with the with the
junior program, and he says that they've kind of cut funds.
Why don't we go We do have a caller, Shay,
why don't we go ahead? Julian in California is it
Julian in California. You're out with Fox Sports radio er
tours Jason Martin. Let me ask you, Julian, what should
be realistic expectations for Team USA men's soccer.

Speaker 7 (36:53):
First of all, thank you very much for taking my call.
I work in I hear you guys almost every weekend,
so thank you. So a while back, the US men's
soccer team had I think it was coached Klinsman, the Germans,
and they experienced mild success with them. We performed well

(37:16):
against England and Germany. I think it was Brazil the
World Cup in Brazil, maybe eight years ago. I cannot
remember exactly. Regarding the expectation, I want to say one thing.
When you continually change coaches, you change the dynamics of

(37:36):
the team itself. A team Germany, Uh, there's other teams
where they have extraordinary discipline on the pitch. Okay, it
seems like US players tend to lose their temper. It's
a very when you're on the pitch, it's a very

(37:58):
hostile environment. You get banged up a lot. And it
was really disappointing to see Team USA lose against Panama
when just today they were overwhelmed by Columbia, but unless
they can have a coach that stays there for a
longer tenuere because the interpretation of a team, it comes

(38:22):
to a certain kind of discipline, and unless we find that,
you know, I want to mention one more thing, Mexico
is even I don't know if you're keeping your eye
on it, but Mexico is even worse the United than
the United States right now because over there, their version
or their pastime is soccer. We have baseball here, but

(38:46):
over there, I would say that they're what's going on
over there is a little bit worse and what's going
on over here. But as far as long term expectation,
I don't know how political it.

Speaker 1 (38:59):
Is, Julian. We're gonna go ahead and respond to some
of what you said up. We appreciate the call, Julian.
You know, I will say it is an interesting theory
because about the idea of are we turning over coaches
too soon? But why I bring it up is because
one that there's obviously a corollary to that in other sports,

(39:21):
where you know, you look at the Lakers, you look
at whoever. But also like one of the few sustained
runs of success was under Bruce Arena ninety eight to six.
Obviously two thousand and two was a successful run in
the World Cup. What do you think, Jase, You think
it's it's crazy to say that that we're maybe turning

(39:42):
over coaches too quickly. You think that could be it
at all?

Speaker 2 (39:46):
I mean, I think there's a point there. I mean,
the same thing with like an NFL team or anybody else.
If you keep turning over coaches, that probably means things
are pretty bad and a lot of times that fruit
is rotten a lot deeper into that tree. But at
the same time, you do you have to find the
right guy, and at least in this case, I do
think that Veraalt had worn out as welcome again, like

(40:07):
I mentioned earlier, So you have to find somebody, and
I think the goal there just needs to be defined.
Somebody you can get longevity with, but it has to
be the right person, and that also requires the right
people on the pitch. And well, that hasn't happened enough.
A lot of the guys that you thought were going
to show out and perform, well, they were kind of
falling apart a bit or struggling a bit in their

(40:28):
own leagues. And then came over here and didn't perform.

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(41:18):
well here we are. We talked about some history in
the NBA at Summer League today where Briannie James made
his debut, But there's also some history that has happened
in the NBA in the WNBA excuse me, over the
last couple days. One. I think Segre definitely mentioned it

(41:40):
last hour, but Caitlin Clark first rookie ever to record
a triple double that was in a win over the
New York Liberty. I bring it up because it's on
the heels of Angel Reese with her twelfth straight double double,
which is also a record. I also bring it up

(42:02):
to say, I don't feel like those two things are
getting well, maybe the Angel Reese a little bit more
than the Caitlin Clark thing. I don't feel like either
of those two things is getting one one hundredth of
the coverage of some of the stuff that happened a
few weeks ago when Kennedy Chandler was shoving Get two

(42:22):
two arms shoving Caitlyn Clark, and Angel Reese was clothesline
in Caitlyn Clark, and there was all sorts of discourse
off the court. And I think it really leads back
to last Sunday. This is when this particular thing struck me.
And I want to know if you agree last Sunday
meeting between the Indiana Fever and the Phoenix Mercury. Obviously,

(42:45):
Diana Razzi, Britney Griner, whatever you think of Brittany grind
or her politics whatever, she's obviously a very you know,
one of the great all time basketball players. Diana Tarrazi
much the same. Why bring it up before the game,
They went on over wapped up Caitlin Clark, kind of
gave her a hug, you know, kind of gave her
a pat on the butt. Keep it up, Brook, And

(43:06):
I was thinking, this is probably what's best for the WNBA,
where Caitlyn Clark isn't taking out the entire league. It
also does feel like the league is a lot more
boring when everybody isn't beefing with Caitlin Clark. Am I
crazy to say that? J Martin?

Speaker 2 (43:27):
Uh No, I think that's exactly right. Look, I came
from the world of professional wrestling.

Speaker 1 (43:32):
Okay, so you say that, what did you do in wrestling?

Speaker 2 (43:35):
I have everything other than wressell, Okay. I wrote the storylines,
I booked a talent, I did the play by play,
I did ring announcing, I managed. I actually wrestled one match,
but it was at what I want to know in
my career. It was a big time set up. It
was a fun thing to do.

Speaker 1 (43:52):
Is it on of YouTube?

Speaker 2 (43:54):
It may have been.

Speaker 1 (43:55):
At one point it was your wrestling name.

Speaker 2 (43:57):
It was just me. I never went as a gimmick like.
I never changed it around because I started as a
ring announcer, so there was not really any reason to
switch it. But it's been a large part of my life,
and I wrote about it editorially for years prior to that,
and had written until just a couple of years ago.
I probably kind of ceased a little bit of it,
even though I still keep very very close tabs on
what's going going on. But so Stone called Steve Austin

(44:21):
right back in the early part of the Attitude era
when he really took off middle of nineteen ninety seven,
but it really exploded in nineteen ninety eight. The business
just absolutely went bonkers because you had this one guy
against the world and he was sort of an antihero
in that yes, the people that you really truly were
supposed to despise came at him, but he had no friends.

(44:44):
This whole thing was don't trust anybody, and it made
record amounts of money. And one of the big reasons
why is because there was this one guy and it
seemed like every other force was going against him. From
a business and entertainment perspective, that a up what you're
saying about Caitlyn Clark right now. Notice Sabrina Ionescu tonight

(45:06):
after the New York Indiana Game was quoted as saying
that was their Super Bowl, so effectively trying to throw
shade towards Indiana, like, yeah, they stink you care about
them because of Caitlin Clark. But this is the biggest
game they're going to play this year, and so they
treated it like their Super Bowl. It's nothing to us.

(45:26):
So but the point is well taken. And the reason
why is this they're real close to this going away,
like it's not being talked about anymore. It doesn't have
the same level like I'll I'll go, oh did she play?
What did she do? Okay, move on, like it's a
lot faster now, like I'm not even really paying attention
to see what was said. It is. I'm not saying

(45:49):
that it is like the candles being blown out. But
we just got through with July fourth, and so there
were all these fireworks on July fourth, and then on
July fifth, the numb skulls were still out because they
have bought a few too many. And so you've got
a few things going off late at Night's scare your dog.
I think I just now, during the last commercial break,

(46:11):
heard a firework. That's the only one that I've heard today.
That's kind of what we're looking at. It's not even
fizzling out, it's just kind of it's dropping back and
there is a place where the WNBA has found itself
and they have had this moment with Caitlyn Clark. To
your point, the best thing for the WNBA when it

(46:32):
just comes to like on the floor, is for everybody
to kind of get along to some degree at least
there to be some mutual respect, even if it's super competitive.
But the best thing from an entertainment a business standpoint,
honestly is to go at her neck. Is to have
a hero or to have or even a polarizing hero

(46:53):
to some people, and then have everything else aligned against her.
That's a storyline you can make money with. That's her
chasing goal. That's her chasing the world championship, for example.
If I want to take it back to that pro
wrestling analogy, like if it just becomes normal, it goes away.
Because here's the thing. Women's basketball has never been interesting

(47:15):
before to the vast swath of people in the country
and to the vast swath that still isn't. But to
those that have like clombed onto it, a lot of
that comes because of the stuff that has nothing to
do with what's on the floor. The most important thing
for the WNBA is growing the game, and you're not
going to do that during the actual basketball games. And

(47:35):
I think that's the biggest issue for them right now
because we also don't want to see Caitlin Clark mistreated.
But without that story, there's nothing to cover here.

Speaker 1 (47:44):
No, well, there would be one thing to cover if
she was like, by the way, she just became the
first roki'd ever have a triple double. She's averaging sixteen
six and seven, and like, look, there's a very feasible
scenario averaging sixteen six and seven. There's a very feasible
scenario that she could one day be the best player

(48:06):
in the league. Don't know if she ever will be whatever,
But I bring it up because I think the only
other way that this like stays at the level that
it would be is if Katel Clark was just amazingly awesome.
And even then, yeah, I was gonna say, I don't
know if even that would be the case, but I
bring it up because she's kind of going through her
rookie struggles. The team is not bad, but they're not

(48:30):
good nine to thirteen overall, but she's averaging sixteen points
per game, which didn't even lead her team, which doesn't
even lead her team. Excuse me, She's she's shooting from
the three point line this season just thirty three percent.
She shot thirty nine percent at Iowa, and she's averaging

(48:50):
close to six turnovers per game. And so you watch
and there's those moments where Iowa Caitlin Clark comes out.
And to be clear, I'm not saying that she should
be able to just step into the WNBA and be
the same player she was in college. They're by definition
it's the best players in the world. It's much tougher
level whatever. But like, I think the things that attracted

(49:12):
so many people to her as a college player, maybe
they come out. Maybe they don't, you know, maybe she
needs better coach, a better coach, maybe she needs better teammates, whatever.
But like the things that stood out, the really deep threes,
the you know, the dominant scoring, it's just not there
right now. And so that's where I think it's a

(49:35):
tough spot. Is she's playing really well for a rookie.
I'm not trying to Again, I'm not trying to say
she should be the best player in the league. In
the league that's a discredit to the professionals, the ones
that have been around forever. But at the same time,
when you just have a rookie who's kind of good
but not great, like pretty much most rookies in most
sports and most seasons, you have a rookie that's just

(49:57):
kind of okay, having her ups and downs. On top
of the fact that there's not the uh talking point
conversations that we had about again the things that we
know that we were talking about her race or sexuality.
Do the players like her? Why are they being so physical?
Is this just part of a maturation process or are
they targeting her? When you have a good but not

(50:20):
great player and there's no other controversy to go with it,
it just kind of leads to what we've had the
last couple of weeks.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
Yeah, I mean, I think that's true. I think that
if she's just average, that's not gonna be good enough.
Like she does need to be Michael Phelps, she needs
to be Usain Bold, she needs to be a force
where you're just you gotta watch her, you gotta watch
Serena Williams play. You've got to watch certain athletes do

(50:49):
their thing, even if it's not. She's got to be
Tiger Woods. She has to be something like that. If
she is, you know, top ten, top fifteen in the league,
that's to be a nice little career for her. But
that's not going to move the needle eventually. It's just, oh,
she's just a pretty good basketball player. Unless they're maximizing
stuff off the court, and she's you know, hosting Saturday

(51:11):
Night Live and some of those kinds of things, she's
staying relevant outside of that, which is just going to
earn her more vitriol inside the league. But she actually
has to be you know, Pete Marrivich, she has to
be I think your point's exactly right. She has to
be unique, like her game has to stand out in
a way where you have got to see it. It's
got to be box office. And although she has done

(51:34):
some good things, we're nowhere near the place where when
you if you actually have sat down and watched any
of her games, you're not watching those and you're just like, man,
this is so unbelievable. I've got to set the DVR
to make sure I see all of these going forward.
It's just she's a rookie in a professional league going

(51:56):
through her lumps, showing some flashes here and there, but
there's nothing like like when you were watching Wimby last year.
You know, what you're watching is pretty special and you're
hearing everybody talk about it as contemporaries talking about him. Yeah,
he might be the best player in the league in
a couple of years, all this kind of stuff, and
he's doing special stuff. And of course it's different way,

(52:17):
but you're getting highlights and all these other kinds of things.
When you're watching Caitlin Clark, You're just you're watching a rookie.
It feels more like Trevor Lawrence to me than it
does like a Wombiniana or a Lebron James or somebody
like that. What basketball needs her to be, what women's
basketball needs her to be, is the latter, and right
now she's more the former.

Speaker 1 (52:38):
Yeah, I think the the I like the comparison to
Michael Phelps Usain Bolt, because to get people to watch
a sport that they don't normally watch, right by definition,
you kind of have to be somebody that they've never
really seen.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
Yeah, I mean, look, Katie Ladecki. If you just want
to take it to a female, like when Katie Ladecki swims,
we pay attention because Katie Ldeci was something special, is
something special, will always be regarded as something special. It's
not a sport we usually take inventory of outside of
the Olympics. But if Ladecki is even swimming in like
a US World Championship, we will come out and we
will probably watch that or will certainly be interested in

(53:17):
how she finished in things like that. So not just
male athletes, even though there's more examples of them, because
there's just a greater quantity of them.

Speaker 1 (53:25):
It's all true, and it will be curious. I mean,
I'd be curious to see, you know, I'm just curious
see what happens the rest of the year, because it
does feel like the sizzles a little bit out. Caitlin
Clark maybe plays her best game as a pro, and
I know it just happened, but it doesn't feel like
people are talking about it the way they were two
or three weeks ago. Fox Sports Radio er towards Jason Martin,
broadcasting live from the tireq dot Com studios. Tell you what, Jason,

(53:49):
you just mention Trevor Lawrence, Let's go back and talk
a little football baita let's do it little football. It's
coming quick. And there is a pressing question that Jmark
gave to me before the show that I simply don't
have an answer to. That's next Fox Sports Radio, Welcome
back everybody, Fox Sports Radio, Eric Torres, Jason Martin Broadcasting,

(54:10):
and I from the Tireck dot Com studios. So we've
covered WNBA, we've covered the NBA, we've covered Summer League,
we've covered men's soccer. We need to talk a little football, Jason,
and obviously the season is coming. And in our pre

(54:31):
show prep you asked me a question that I just
don't think that I have a great answer to. I mean,
I don't think anybody has a great answer to. But
why don't you lay out the question to America that
you posed to me?

Speaker 2 (54:47):
All Right, So, I think we're in a pretty good
era of quarterback play in the NFL, and as such,
I think that's a really good thing for us as fans,
as people that cover the For sure, it's good, but
we're seeing high level quarterback play. Now. There's been a
lot of great quarterbacks through time, but I do think

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there's a lot of recognizable names right now and a
lot of guys that we love to watch play the game.
So here is the scenario. I'm gonna give you the
opportunity right now to start an NFL franchise, and you're
gonna start it with a quarterback, not another player, although
you know that'd be a different discussion if you wanted
to try that. But you can pick any quarterback in

(55:31):
the league to start your franchise with right now, except
Patrick Mahomes. He's out. He's the one guy that you
cannot select. So with that being said, who do you
go with?

Speaker 1 (55:47):
So I thought about this a lot, and there are
pretty big holes. And I know this is why this
is a great question, because there are pretty big holes
in everybody's arguments. Do you want to share yours first,
or do you want me to go?

Speaker 2 (56:03):
So I had two guys that stood out immediately to me,
but I maybe going the road let's travel by. But
I'll explain why. I'm not going to name both of
them in case you want to take the other one.
But I'll let you know if you pick the same guy,
I will take CJ. Stroud Woo at his age, what

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he did last year was not gimmickry. It's not something
that like yes, defenses are going to try to find
ways to stop him. But you don't stop somebody that
has that quick a release and it's that accurate with
the football. He is somebody that doesn't necessarily have to
rely on pure athleticism to do everything. He's not out

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there to run for two hundred yards and so you
can stack it up and cause some trouble in certain
matchups and things like that. CJ. Stroud is just a
top flight quarterback who just put forth one of the
great rookie seas that we've ever seen. And as you mentioned,
there are limitations to every one of these arguments. So
if you wanted to counter me, all you would need

(57:08):
to say is, yeah, well he had a great rookie year.
What if he has a sophomore slump? Absolutely true. I
look at the best thing about CJ. Shrodd and why
I like him so much. He did this with Nico
Collins and Tank Dell and Demiko Ryans in his first
year at head coach. Like he didn't walk into the

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Kansas City Chiefs, he didn't walk into the Miami Dolphins.
He didn't go into a place to have all these
ready made weapons that were proven. He helped make them weapons,
and they became names that we knew who were by
the end of the year. But you look at his
age and you're telling me to start a franchise after
what I saw last year, feeling like something that can

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be duplicated, not something that's an aberration that we'll never
see again. That's why I go with him first.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
So it's funny you said that there were going to
be two names that you could have gone with either one,
and it's funny because that was not either one of
the two. And what I would say is, listen, we
all loved it, but I would lean more towards the
It was one year, it's probably going to get better,

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and he can probably be in that conversation. I just
personally cannot put him in there yet. So I thought
it would be between two guys that have actually relatively
different resumes, and I'll give you the guy that I'm
not gonna choose first.

Speaker 2 (58:41):
First.

Speaker 1 (58:41):
What I felt like was the most obvious, and it
was Josh Allen has every size, speed, heightweight measurement you know,
is awesome, is durable. For a guy that takes as
many hits as he does, it's kind of incredible. Now, obviously,
look I think the two things that stand out about him.

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He certainly turned the ball over quite a bit last
year and regressed in that category. And I think the
other thing with Josh Allen, but I think it's more
of a byproduct of the Bills than it is just him.
Is they just haven't like they don't. I still like,
I don't think they still have a signature win in
the Josh Allen Am I like? And I'll get to

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my other guy in a minute, but am I crazy?

Speaker 2 (59:28):
Is there? Like?

Speaker 1 (59:29):
What is the signature win of the Josh Allen era?
Of course, outside of the near the near win over
the Kansas.

Speaker 2 (59:37):
City, that's the best. That's the best win of the
whole era. That's that's the most memorable thing and the
most impressive thing that happened was that. And yeah, I
don't know what the other one is. I mean, there's
been some great performances, but there's not anything where I
just go back and remember, Man, that's the best game
I've ever seen, the one that I saw that was

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the best, the one that people were saying that my
the best NFL game in twenty twenty five years. That's
the one they lost. But that still is kind of
the apex of the whole.

Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
Experiment exactly, and so that's why it's hard. He was
not my other guy, by the way, well so, and
my other other guy might not be your guy either,
but the guy that I will go with. And again
for people just joining us, the question that Jamart post
to me was Patrick Mahomes is miles ahead of everybody
else right now. Obviously all the Super Bowl championships, all

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the Super you know, the one Super Bowl runner up.
What is it five straight AFC championship games? Jaymart? Is
it six or five? Whatever? So j Mart asked me,
if you're starting a franchise today, who is the quarterback
that you take if you're not taking Patrick Mahomes. And
I don't know if this is controversial. I don't know
if this is your other guy, but I think to me,

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the answer is the only guy in the NFL that
has beaten him on the biggest stage, and that's Joe Burrow.

Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
And I that's that was my other guy.

Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
Okay, okay, see and obviously, look, I think you know, uh,
there's certainly a case for Josh Allen, there's certainly a
case for Lamar Jackson. I get all that, But when
I look at Joe Burrow, Listen, I mean the question, Look,
all of these guys have some sort of hole in
their resume, and you know, for Joe Burrow, it's that
he has seemingly been unable to stay healthy. I mean,

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and now I don't want to say he's been unable
to stay healthy, but two season ending injuries and even
in the off season. Uh, you know a few years ago,
what was it a was it a pendicitis? Was it
was that? What it was? I can't even remember, mm hmm,
but that's right, Yeah, just you know, can't stay healthy.
Obviously his rookie year cut short by the knee injury,
and then of course last year cut short by the
wrist injury. And by the way, you know, you talk

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to people who who who follow this stuff, not follow
this stuff, but I've seen reports from doctors that say that,
you know, the the comeback of from this wrist injury
is not one hundred percent, Like it's not like you
get this surgery, you're back to the do that you were.
There could be complications, but at the end of the day,
there's only one guy that has gone head to head
with Patrick Mahomes in the playoffs, outside of Tom Brady

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obviously who's obviously no longer in the NFL and won
a game against him. And oh, by the way, the
next year, we know that in the AFC Championship game
they dueled, they were both great and one had to
come out on top. It wasn't like some of these
other guys you know, Lamar Jackson this year, who struggled
on the biggest stage, Josh Allen, who in previous years

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has struggled on the biggest stage. And so to me,
Joe Burrow is the guy. I'll tell you what, j Martin,
I want to toss it over the news desk to disager.
We'll come back and we will continue this conversation because
it is a fascinating one. Disager. The floor is yours,
my friend. Thank you, gentlemen.

Speaker 6 (01:02:42):
Unfortunately, the only NFL story today that Vikings fourth round
defensive back Kyrie Jackson died in a car accident. Jackson
played for Oregon last year after two seasons at Alabama.
In the WNBA come back win for Indiana over New
York eighty three seventy eight, Kaitlin Clark with a triple double,
first by a rookie in league history. She finished with

(01:03:02):
nineteen points, twelve rebounds, thirteen assists. The Fever had trailed
by eleven points in the fourth quarter today, and New
York's record was seventeen and three. Minnesota with a home
win tonight against Washington seventy four to sixty seven. Washington
five and seventeen now four WNBA games tomorrow and in
two weeks, the US Olympic women's team has its sendoff

(01:03:24):
game against a team of WNBA stars, and that league
will then be off for about a month. The Sacramento
Kings acquired Damar Derosan. He'll get a three year contract
worth about seventy five million dollars. Harrison Barnes goes to
the Spurs in the sign and trade. The Hornets gave
Miles Bridges a three year deal where seventy five million dollars.
He averaged twenty one points per game last season. The

(01:03:46):
seventy six ers signed Caleb Martin to a four year contract.
At Copa America, the quarterfinals were on FS one tonight,
first off in Arizona. Forty thousand in attendance to watch
Columbia win again five nothing over Panamahamas. Rodriguez go and
two assists Colombia's unbeaten in his last twenty seven games
over the last two and a half years. Then in
Las Vegas, an ugly one went to penalty kicks and

(01:04:09):
Uruguay on pks eliminated Brazil. Brazil star Venetius Junior was
out tonight due to yellow cards, but in the ninety
minutes there were forty one fouls total in this game.
So coming up Tuesday night in the semifinals Argentina against
Canada on FS one from New Jersey. Wednesday night, Columbia
in Charlotte against Uruguay. This tournament is in the US,

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not in South America, with games on Fox and FS one.
The US was one of the six guest teams in
what is normally the South American Confederation Championship. At the Euros,
England won its quarterfinal on penalty kicks against Switzerland. Each
team had scored late in regulation, it was still one
to one after overtime, England five for five on its kicks.

(01:04:51):
The Swiss were stopped on their first and that was costly.
The Swiss still have not defeated England since nineteen eighty one,
zero to ten with four ties, and Switzerland still has
never advanced to the semifinals at any major tournament. The
Netherlands beat turkeya two to one with goals in the seventh,
seventieth and seventy sixth minutes attendance with seventy thousand at

(01:05:13):
the Berlin Olympic Stadium. At Wimbledon, number one Egas Fiantek
lost in three sets, six to two in the third
Coco Goss fourth round matches tomorrow against fellow American Emma Navarro.
Men's number one Novak Djokovic advanced to the fourth round.
The PGA is at the John Deer Classic in Illinois.
Davis Thompson leads by two. The next live golf event
is in just over a week in Spain, couple weeks

(01:05:35):
away as the British Open. As for late night MLB action,
its top of the ninth and the Padres are in
a four to four tie now against Arizona. San Diego
had trailed four to one in the seventh inning. The
Dodgers beat Milwaukee five to three, show Hey Otani with
his twenty eighth homer, which leads the National League. Otani,
according to stat Zinc, the only MLB player in the

(01:05:56):
modern era to all in the same game, draw, multiple walk,
get hit by a pitch, hit a triple hit, a
home run, steal a base as well, all of that.
Tonight in the victory, Colorado beat Kansas City three to one,
Atlanta over Philadelphia five one, beating Ranger Suarez, who had
been ten and two Oakland a nineteen eight winner over Baltimore,

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and the Yankees beat Boston fourteen to four on FS one.

Speaker 1 (01:06:20):
Today.

Speaker 6 (01:06:20):
Rookie Ben Rice of New York three homers, seven RBIs.
This guy started the year at double A. Rice has
been in the major leagues three and a half weeks.
The Yankees had lost fourteen of eighteen, but got an
easy win against the rival Red Sox today.

Speaker 1 (01:06:34):
Back to you, thank you very much, Steve the Sager.
Disaga will rejoin us in just a few minutes for
his extended update about twelve forty five or so Eastern time. Jamar,
let's get back to the NFL. So we were talking
before we got to the saga, the idea of if
you were going to start a franchise right now in

(01:06:55):
the NFL and Patrick Mahomes is off the board, Essentially,
you have the number two pick of all the quarterbacks available.
Who do you take j. Martin made the argument for CJ. Stroud,
but really the genesis of the argument is that really
everybody has something that's missing on their resume. Josh Allen

(01:07:17):
doesn't have the big wins. Lamar Jackson really doesn't have
the big wins to speak of either in the postseason.

Speaker 2 (01:07:24):
CJ.

Speaker 1 (01:07:24):
Stroud is young, and the guy that I picked, Joe Burrow,
is the only guy that The reason I picked Joe
Burrow for people who are just joining us is because
he does have the big wins. He has the only
head to head win of anybody in the NFL right
now against Patrick Mahomes. Easily could have won the AFC
Championship Game the following year in Arrowhead did not, but

(01:07:46):
it wasn't because he had some sort of bad game
as much as it was just simply, hey, somebody's gotta lose.
Had a great win the week before in Buffalo head
to head with Josh Allen, So that was my pick. Jason,
I want you to expand your thoughts after what I
had to say.

Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
Yeah, So, like I said, I went with Stroud and
my other guy was Burrow. The reason why I went
with Stroud over Burrow is because I'm not so sure
Burrow isn't injury prone, and injury prone is not something
you've really said about Burrow. But Burrow was never healthy
this past year. We remember how his rookie year ended.
He's been banged up a lot. I'm not saying he's

(01:08:21):
made a glass. I'm saying I am concerned about his durability,
and so that that bothers me enough he's not out there,
then I can't start my franchise with him because I
can't win if he's not on the field. So in
terms of him as a leader, in terms of what
he can do with the football, in terms of everything else,
I think it's him. But his durability is a worry

(01:08:47):
for me. So that's really the only thing I look at.
And then I do want to see now that Brian
Callahan's a head coach in Tennessee. You know, a guy
that worked with Burrow and was very popular and was
a large part of the offense there in Cincinnati. I
want to see what their offense does now that they're
gonna have some new things happening. We're gonna see maybe

(01:09:07):
more from Zach Taylor than we have in the past.
We'll see, but I want to see that as well.
But I just think that the durability concern is something
that Trump's a lot for me. I just want to
make sure that he's going to be upright and available.
And that's why, again, I look at Stroud and I say,
between the two, even though Burrow is certainly more accomplished,

(01:09:29):
C J. Stroud feels like Sky is a limit for
him right now, and I haven't seen the injury issues.

Speaker 1 (01:09:33):
Yeah, And to be clear, that's what makes this question
tough is because Joe Burrow has the injury issues. If
if Joe Burrow was healthy and just coming off a
little bit of a down year, I think you would
still take Joe Burrow. And I don't even know that
it would be debatable. Producer Shay, I see you in
the corner. There are you ready to try? You got
some hot take here.

Speaker 5 (01:09:52):
I don't wrong with Will Levice or what but as
a Browns fan, I really regret saying this, but I
would have to be Lamar Jackson for me. I mean,
three quarterbacks have won an MVP since twenty eighteen, and
he's one of them. We're going to talk about beating Mahomes. Yeah,
he's three and one against him. But the last time
they played, which was in twenty twenty one, I'm pretty

(01:10:13):
sure it was twenty twenty one, Lamar Jackson ended up
beating Mahomes too. So if we want to talk about resume,
I think Lamar Jackson definitely has it. He's the reigning MVP.
He definitely is that multifaceted QB who can run, who
can throw. And I know everyone is going to say, oh,
we are we sure he could throw blah blah blah
blah blah, but he can't throw like we've seen it.
And there's a reason why the Ravens are looked at

(01:10:34):
as a Super Bowl contention team. And I just think
that when it comes to players like Lamar I compare
him a lot to Josh Allen. He doesn't have the
big playmaking ability that Josh Allen has with his big
time throws, but he makes up with that with his
quick his quick. He literally I think he has one
of the fastest. I'm pretty sure Mahomes be and that

(01:10:55):
beats him. But getting rid of the ball, Lamar Jackson
is one of the best in the end l currently
at that I don't have the stat right in.

Speaker 1 (01:11:03):
Front of me, let me jump in on this. So
a couple of things on Lamar Jackson. I want j
Martz take then we'll go back to you, Shay. So,
first off, I don't think it's it's terrible because and
I don't it's not terry. You make a very compelling point.
And I think the thing that I keep going back to,
and I know Jay Mar and I have talked about
this over the last six to eight months, is that

(01:11:24):
I don't blame him for the loss to k C
as much as I do Todd Munkin in the play calling.
It was just a weird game in which like they
just stopped running the football for no real reason. And
so I don't I'm not really like anti Lamar. Two
things do concern me, though, is one, even in his

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playoff wins, you know, he has not been great, you know,
ten of thirty two passing or you know ten of
twenty two passing this year, did have quite a few
rushing yards against the Houston Texans. But the other thing
that I think worries me a little bit is just
the last two of the last three years he key

(01:12:04):
didn't stay healthy, you know, And so maybe I'm overrating it,
maybe I'm whatever, but I just sit there and say
that like it's it's the lack of huge wins with
the fact that he hasn't been healthy that concerns me.
Where Burrow does have the big playoff wins, including the
head to head wins with Patrick Mahomes. Shit, I'm gonna

(01:12:25):
get it back to you, but real quick, j Mart,
what do you think of Lamar Jackson's candidacy as the
guy that would be number two behind Mahomes.

Speaker 2 (01:12:32):
I mean, I certainly think a lot of people would
choose him. For me, I just haven't seen the postseason
success yet. It's not because I don't think he's capable
of it. But you talked about that weird game. I mean,
I saw him completely shut down against the Titans a
couple of years ago. I've just seen him not play
his best football in the playoffs. I've seen there there
seemed to all of a sudden, be schemes to beat
him that couldn't beat him in the regular season. I'm

(01:12:52):
trying to figure out why that is, Like, yes, you're
gonna match up with better teams in the playoffs, but
a lot of those teams you've already seen in the
regular season it was as well. It just seems like
you can knock him off in the postseason. You can
knock him off his confidence plateau where they stopped doing
You've talked about them abandoning the run, which was just
baffling in that game against the Chiefs. Well, they seem

(01:13:14):
to just get kind of bullied around in the playoffs
and Lamar just doesn't look like himself, and so that
concerns me. The injury thing I didn't even think about.
I don't go to that he can't throw and all
these other kinds of things. I just think for some reason,
it just hasn't clicked in the playoffs, and that concerns
me a little bit at this stage in his career. Eventually,

(01:13:37):
it's the same thing with Josh Allen, like eventually I
need to see you do this in the playoffs or
we need to start having a different conversation. Like think
about how Peyton Manning was talked about prior to beating
Rex Grossman and getting that first Super Bowl. Yes he'd
beat Rex Grossman, but he did win a Super Bowl.
Finally he got that monkey off his back and that
was a big deal. And right now you've got guys,

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particularly the two guys I just mentioned Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson.
Those are two guys where we're starting to look at
the watch like, all right, win or when is this
gonna happen? In Buffalo you have the buffer zone that
is Sean McDermott. You don't have that in Baltimore because
John Harball is widely respected.

Speaker 1 (01:14:14):
Shay, you got about twenty seconds you got any last
rebuttals on behalf of your boy Lamar.

Speaker 5 (01:14:19):
I mean I was just gonna say, I literally put Lamar,
Joe Burrow, and Josh Allen kind of all in the
same tier. And then in the end you said to yourself,
Mahomes is so far ahead of all these guys that
putting them in the same tier isn't necessarily bad. They'd
be elite in any basically, they're elite quarterbacks. Don't get
me wrong, But yeah, I mean, I feel like you
could just throw them all in and they all would
work out. They have pros and cons. We'll see, I

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don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:14:39):
We'll see this year.

Speaker 2 (01:14:40):
Though, how they all play out.

Speaker 1 (01:14:41):
We will see this year because Mahomes is clearly walking
in with the crown on his head, and we'll see
if anybody can knock it off. Fox Sports Radio Aeron
towards Jason mart will come back the saga with his
extended update. That's next, Fox Sports Radio. Welcome back everybody,
Fox Sports Radio Aeron towards Jason Martin broadcast ding live
the diireck dot Com studios, as we do every week

(01:15:02):
around this time, let's toss it over the news desk
Steve Desager for his extended update. All yours to Seger. Guys.

Speaker 6 (01:15:10):
All these NBA contracts and signings we've been hearing about
in recent days became official because today the NBA's new
league year open. The new salary caps about one hundred
and forty million dollars per team. Lebron James is going
to be making over fifty million dollars on his new
two year contract to stay with the Lakers. Technically it's
one year plus a player option. There's a no trade clause.

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Shamshurani of the Athletics is there's also a fifteen percent
trade kicker. But people had been speculating he's going to
take less money. In fact, he could have been making
fifty two million per year. It'll be just under fifty
one mili so that they can stay literally forty five
thousand dollars under the second apron the Lakers and avoid

(01:15:54):
that extra dex Okay, yeah, so he's not giving back
a whole lot, but yeah, is he taking last guys?

Speaker 2 (01:16:00):
Right? Didn't he have three guys he was willing to take?

Speaker 1 (01:16:03):
Yeah? Less more really less? Yeah exactly. I think we
need to talk about that a little bit now, our
three boys. But continue.

Speaker 6 (01:16:10):
Meanwhile, Bronni James did score four points in his NBA
Summer League debut today is the Lakers lost in San
Francisco to Sacramento. It'll be Lakers against Golden State there
on Sunday. And yes, summer league games are in the
Bay Area for a few days, and the brief Salt
Lake City Summer League will be Monday through Wednesday next week.
Then it's what we know the Las Vegas Summer League

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with all thirty NBA teams July twelfth through twenty second. However,
until the twelfth, USA basketball is going to be in
Las Vegas and those stars have arrived. The US Olympic
roster for this summer in Paris includes Lebron James and
Anthony Davis, Jason Tatum and Drew Holliday, Kevin Durant, on

(01:16:52):
the team again, Steph Curry, Joel Embiid playing for the US,
Anthony Edwards and others.

Speaker 1 (01:16:58):
There will be a USA.

Speaker 6 (01:17:00):
Exhibition game on FS one against Canada next week, and
then from Abu Dhabi on FS one it'll be the
US against Australia and Serbia in overseas tune ups getting
ready for the Olympics, and guys. Tomorrow, there are four
games to decide the last four spots for the Paris
Men's basketball tournament. There have been Olympic qualifying tournaments going

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on at these four locations all week, and the finals
of each of the four tourneys are tomorrow. Greece with
Jannisntenekunpo is hosting one of those games.

Speaker 1 (01:17:31):
Tomorrow.

Speaker 6 (01:17:32):
They eliminated Luka Donsich and Slovenia today. Luca will not
be in this summer's Olympics. In fact, it was a
blowout win for Greece ninety six sixty eight. Greece led
by eighteen points after the first quarter. Yana scored thirteen
and twenty one minutes of this blowout. Luka Donsig finished
with twenty one points, five assists and ten turnovers. So

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Sunday it's grease against Croatia. Winner goes to the Olympics.
Croatians star this week has been a Vitza Zubats of
the Clippers twenty five points today in their victory ten
of ten shooting from the floor. They edged Dominican Republic
eighty to seventy seven as the dr missed a three
point try at the end. Spain is hosting this week
and will be in a final tomorrow. It won its

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semi again a win over Finland eighty one seventy four.
Willie earn On Gomez twenty eight points in twenty one minutes.
So tomorrow Spain hosts Bahamas. The Bahamas could be going
to the Olympics. They won against Lebanon eighty nine to
seventy two today on their roster DeAndre eight in another
good game twenty four points fifteen rebounds. Buddy Healed had

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nineteen points ten assists, and also for the Bahamas today
Eric Gordon with thirteen points. Bahamas at Spain tomorrow, winner
goes to the Olympics. Also in men's hoops, Puerto Rico
will be hosting a game Latvia tomorrow as well. Puerto
Rico will be hosting Lithuania because Lithuania. Italy is easily
a Dementa Sabonis eight rebounds. Puerto Rico defeated Mexico by twenty. Tonight,

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Brazil at Latvia is the final of those four games tomorrow,
each one semis. Today Brazil eliminated Philippines, which is a
basketball crazy country. Latvia defeated Cameroon Davis Berton's twelve points. Again,
the four winners tomorrow get the last four spots in Paris.
This month, eight teams have already qualified, including the US
and the Yankees beat the Boston Red Sox today fourteen

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to four. A rookie named Ben Rice had three homers
for the Yankees seven RBIs. In fact, according to Stadzinc,
he's the first player in the history of Major League
Baseball to hit a leadoff homer and two three run
shots in the same game. This was only his seventeenth
game of his career. Meanwhile, a first inning homer for

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the Braves Marcella Zuna tonight and they beat Philadelphia five
to one. Thoughsuna twenty three homers seventy two RBIs back
to you.

Speaker 1 (01:19:52):
Thank you very much, Steve Sager. De Saga will be
with us for one more hour. And he actually just
sit on a bunch of stuff that we will be covering.
Take it up till two Eastern, will come back. We
will talk about both Bronnie James's debut as well as
what it means for the state of the Lakers. Also,
he mentioned Team USA meets up in Vegas. A lot

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to discuss there as well. One hour left Fox Sports Radio.
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Bernie Fratto, of course, broadcasting live from Vegas. Summer League
is coming to Vegas this week, but Summer League started
with the California Classic on Saturday in the Bay Area.
King's team beats the Lakers one oh eight ninety four.
But the story, of course was the debut of Bronnie James.

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Four points on two of nine, shooting two rebounds to assists,
two steals. I believe those are all correct. The box
scores taking a minute to load here. I know it's
two for U two for nine from the field. Let
me see if I can confirm those stats. I'd take
a look really quick. Four points, two rebounds to assist,

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one steal, two of nine shooting zero for three from
the three point line. J Mart Brownie made his debut.
Got a lot of thoughts, but I'll toss it over
to you first for your thoughts on Saturday in the
Bay Area.

Speaker 2 (01:21:54):
I don't know if I have a lot of thoughts.
I mean, if I had five thoughts, i'd have more
points than Bruno.

Speaker 1 (01:22:00):
If you had three shots, more than is three thoughts
would be more than his shots made.

Speaker 2 (01:22:04):
It's true. Look, he is going to get a ton
of coverage. And we understand this. We We've been in
this business for a while. It's not a surprise. At
some point it's gonna be enough, and then it's gonna
be too much. It's gonna be people are gonna be like,
all right, enough with this, and then it's gonna be.
It might then turn into go Away style kind of stuff,

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but right now it's gonna be compelling to a certain segment,
both that are interested in it and want to see
it fail miserably those that are gonna hate watch it
or hate listen to commentary about it. You know, there
was a guy in a game that scored thirty two points.
He's not talked about anywhere. You gotta look like five
or six paragraphs into the story about the game to

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even get to him. I mean, I was quite a
performance for him in Summer League in his first game
as well. But there's six or seven different stories being
written and insiders and experts breaking down every dribble of
Bronnie James twenty two minutes on the floor and the
four points that he scored, and like I told you,

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like yes, man got a headline on their website. It's
like filthy move by Bronnie James on this jumper. It's like, right, well,
I mean that was one of his two buckets in
the game. So I'm glad that he was able to
pull a move there. I just the problem is the
young man's game just can't back up the level of coverage.

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It's gonna get and that's gonna become very tedious, very quickly,
and we'll see, We're gonna have to see how it progresses.
But we already knew going in he didn't deserve the opportunity,
which is why when JJ Reddick comes out and says,
Bronni earned this, I'm just like, all right, man, you

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cash the check that lebron handed you backstage, or maybe
that's just the check that you're going to get to
be the head coach at the Lakers. And because no
one's buying that, Like I know, Bronnie is sitting next
to you when you say that, if you're JJ Reddick,
because you're like Rob mean, Rob Polinka, Rob and I.
We didn't hand him anything. He earned this through hard work.

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He worked so hard. And I said this when I
was hosting with with Brian no on Friday morning. Just
because you work hard doesn't mean you're gonna get this.
Just because you work super hard doesn't mean you're gonna
end up in the NBA, doesn't mean you're gonna end
up in the NFL, doesn't mean you're gonna end up
in the White House, doesn't mean you're gonna end up
at the top of your company doesn't mean anything. Like

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a lot of people work hard and still there's a
ceiling for them. Bronnie James conld be out there shooting,
Like there's a lot of people that are shooting in
driveways around this country day after day after day after
day after day without a fan's father, and they're not
even gonna be able to play high school basketball. Like
it's the it's this whole well, he works so hard
for this, Okay, cool, that doesn't that should not guarantee anything.

(01:24:58):
And you've put him in a position where the Peter
principal states that eventually somebody advances in their career further
than they're supposed to be, gets exposed and then realize, oh, yeah,
that guy's a coordinator. He's not a head coach. There
are some guys that are built to be coordinators, some
guys that are built to be head coaches, and some
guys that are built to bring water to coaches. Like

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there's just different levels. I don't know what the Peter
principal is for Brownie a long term, but I know
right now it's not the NBA. He's gonna get better,
I'm sure playing around those guys, But how much better,
and did he deserve the opportunity over a lot of
other people who guess what worked really hard to JJ
like that? That I think is I know it branched

(01:25:41):
off of the four point game, but what are we
supposed to say Aaron about a four point game? I
don't want to bury Bronny, but this is the whole
essence of this story is that it's not like a
story of his making. I saw Lebron James say this
is a dream come true. It's like, dud, you set
all of this in motion, like you it's not a
dream come true. Your whole career has been and then

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you use that leverage to manufacture this. In that way,
it is a dream because most of the times in
our dreams, we're doing things that we can't do in reality,
things that are happening, and we wake up. You're like,
oh man, that wasn't real. But it is for you, Lebron,
because you basically live a charmed life at this point,
and you are you have put all of these things
in motion like you're some kind of great architect that's

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going to put your son on the floor with you
and put him on your professional basketball team, regardless of
whether or not it's good for them or not.

Speaker 1 (01:26:32):
Well, and I think it leads perfectly. You know, enough
Brownie talk here. If you missed any of our run,
we talked a little bit about this as well. You
can go back now with the podcast. But I think
it leads perfectly to something that the Sagre just reference
in his update just a few minutes ago, which is
that after all this great talk about ah, you know Lebron,
I mean yeah, I mean yeah, he got his buddy

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a job as the head coach and his son is
drafted with the fifty fifth pick when they were players
available that could have helped the Lakers, well at least,
you know what I mean, it'll if he takes a
pay cut, it'll it'll, it'll all be worth it. Well,
he did, in theory take a pay cut, because, as
de Seger said, he took about forty five thousand dollars

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less than he could have maybe a little bit more
here or there, whatever, But I bring it up he
did it so that the team could could stay under
the second Apron, which of course has salary cap ramifications.
But essentially he took virtually the entire Max contract that
he could, And I bring it up because the BROWNNY

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News today kind of is the capstone of what was
in otherwise totally forgettable week for the Los Angeles Lakers.
I mean, think about all the teams this week, Jason,
in the Western Conference that were already ahead of them
or on part with them that got better. Dallas Mavericks

(01:27:58):
got better with Klay Thompson. Uh, the Sacramento Kings today
got better with DeMar DeRozan. I know it's in the East.
But the Philadelphia seventy six Ers. We can criticize Paul George,
how good is he? The Philadelphia seventy six ers on
paper today are better.

Speaker 2 (01:28:14):
Than they They're better. There's no question they're better, regardless
of we we've picked Paul George apart in the past
on this show, but they're That was clearly a good
move by them.

Speaker 1 (01:28:23):
One hundred percent. And so you go on and on
and on down the list all of the teams that
are rapidly improved. What what are the Lakers big offseason
transactions to this point, you did get dolonkonnect credit to you,
and I'm not gonna discredit them because I mean he
did fall to them, But I still think it's gonna
end up looking like a really good pick. Yeah, and

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then Ronnie James and that's really it. And I do
think and listen, we're a little late to the party
because we have a Saturday show and most of the
free agency action happened on Sunday and Monday. But I
don't think it takes away from the fact that this
was a pretty forgettable week. You had Klay Thompson's own

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dad coming out saying how disappointed he was that Klay
Thompson didn't sign with the Lakers. And of course, Michael Thompson,
his father is a legend who's still broadcast games. Klay
Thompson grew up in Los Angeles. His father played for
the Lakers.

Speaker 2 (01:29:23):
Oh, showtime Lakers too. The show like he's one of
those guys, he's one of those minted Lakers.

Speaker 1 (01:29:30):
And you know, as many others have brought up on
this network, you know, it was clear that no matter
what everybody's saying and all the Instagram posts and whatever,
that it was not a nice ending between Clay and
the Warriors. And what's a great way to stick it
to him by going to a West Coast rival in

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your division in the Pacific Division, you had so many
things working for you, and the Lakers couldn't close. And
I think it's because what everyone else has talked about
on this network all week, nobody wants to go to
that mess. And so yes, we're talking about Bronni because
it is what people want to talk about. But I

(01:30:15):
also think it I think, you know, Bronnie is a metaphor.
And I hate to say it because it's again, it's
not his fault. It's not his fault the Lakers drafted him.
It's not his fault that his father put this plan
in place. It's not his fault that his father, you know,
even put this into existence four or five years ago,
whenever it started. But his presence on the Lakers, his

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presence with the fifty fifth pick of the draft. I
don't think there's any doubt that every other marquee free
agent is looking at the Lakers and saying, I want
no part of that. And oh, by the way, part
of it is the JJ Reddick stuff too, because he's
Lebron's buddy. And if I was Klay Thompson, if I

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was James, if I was Paul George, if I was whoever,
could have potentially been a Laker. Let's say I don't
want to go there. I don't want to go to
the place that loo Lebron. Not only is he making
sure that his son's getting playing time, but his buddy's
the head coach, and if there's a fault, you know whatever.
The point I'm trying to make you know, what it
is is that it was a disastrous week and I

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think there are a lot of people that want nothing
to do with the Lakers because of this situation he's created,
and obviously it was on full display today with all
of the Brownie coverage.

Speaker 2 (01:31:31):
You know, if you go to LA, what you're going into.
You're going into kind of a dysfunctional sort of a
hot and cold depending on ego and emotion. But you
know who's in charge. You know who's making the decisions.
It's not somebody in the front office, it's not ownership.
It's one of the players. And so Klay Thompson made

(01:31:53):
the right basketball decision. He went somewhere where they could
potentially win a championship rather than the obvious tie to
LA and the stuff with his dad, which I'm glad
his dad wanted him to be there and was disappointed.
He's not gonna be able to call his games, like
that's what a dad should want. But Klay Thompson made
the right decision for himself. I saw the comparison. I
thought it was a really good one between Klay Thompson's

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move from Golden State to Dallas and Ray Allen going
to the Miami Heat. I see a lot there that
makes a lot of sense because Klay Thompson's gonna go
and do what. He's going to be a stand up
three point shooter. He's gonna be a catch and shoot guy.
He's not gonna be expected to be a second team
All defensive NBA player as he's been in the past.
He's nowhere near that guy anymore. But he could still

(01:32:38):
go get you some buckets and he can go in
there and fill that role for them. But the larger thing,
so as soon as Klay Thompson signed, there were a
couple of other guys that were on the list that
Lebron have in the LA Lakers. He's like, if you
get one of these three guys, I'll take however much
less it's required to make it work. They got none
of them, and then you saw a story. As soon

(01:32:59):
as those three guys were going, well, what a likelihood
looks like? Maybe DeMar DeRozan told be a Laker, no
peace in Sacramento. So everybody is choosing elsewhere. The moves
that the Lakers have made. You mentioned the two draft picks,
and then you had guys opting in, you had D'Angelo
Russell back in. They're a mess. They're not a contender

(01:33:21):
at all. And I don't think that in general the
decisions that are being made there or even helping them
keep pace with what's happening around them in the Western Conference.
And you know, Lebron's probably done in the next couple
of years. And this is kind of the way this
is gone. It hasn't gotten. It just hadn't worked. It

(01:33:43):
hadn't like since the bubble year. It's just kind of
been one misfire after another. The Reddick thing. I mentioned
this a day ago when I was filling in with
Brian on Friday morning, and I said, you know, the
thing that's interesting about JJ Redick is is anybody but
the Lakers, or maybe like the Nuggets or something like that.

(01:34:03):
I feel like it would be a completely different discourse
if he had ended up getting that Charlotte job. I
think we'd take. I could see that. I mean, he
played a duke and smart guy. Good podcasters gonna give
them a little bit of publicity because hornets, and I
could see that that's a risk you could take. I
understand that. But because it's the Lakers, it changes everything.
And I think some other people on the network have

(01:34:25):
said this all week air and that the spotlight's just
different out there. And you said repeatedly on this show
that this Lakers team with Lebron, it's just it doesn't
feel the same, and it's not kind of followed in
the same way by a lot of Lakers fans who
are just kind of waiting out this era so that
they can do everything all over again. And I think
the microcosm of that is one of the biggest storylines

(01:34:49):
of the year. Is gonna be some dude on the
bench that might get like garbage time minutes and it's
not going to do anything for them because they're not
going to be They're not gonna be relevant may and
ultimately that's an utter failure for that franchise.

Speaker 1 (01:35:05):
Yeah, I heard Jason Smith say during one of the
commercial breaks. I know not everybody maybe gets a chance
to hear it. But Jason Smith said the Lakers aren't
gonna go back to being the Lakers until Lebron's gone.

Speaker 2 (01:35:16):
That's a great quote. I didn't hear that, but that's good. Yeah,
it's dead right, similar to what you've said.

Speaker 1 (01:35:21):
Yeah, it's spot on. The sad part is they weren't
much before he got there either, which I think is
also a reflection of the state of the organization. Fox
Sports Radio Aer Tords Jason Martin, broadcasting live from the
Tyreck dot Com studio. Tell you what, guess we'll come
back and talk a little bit more Lebron, mainly because
Team USA Olympic team got together today. J Martin and

(01:35:44):
I have very different takes on what we should expect.

Speaker 2 (01:35:47):
Maybe I don't know. I don't know if maybe you
have a similar take to me. We'll find out.

Speaker 1 (01:35:51):
We'll find out. That's next. Fox Sports Radio, Welcome back, everybody.
Fox Sports Radio Er Tords Jason Martin, broadcasting live from
the Tire Studios. For the break, we were talking about
the pseudo meltdown of the Lakers, who basically had no
real week to speak of in free agency. Broni made

(01:36:14):
his debut today in the California Classic, but his father.
Of course, Lebron James was with Team USA. Team USA
Basketball team convened in Vegas. All but Jason Tatum was
in attendance today. He had an excused absence. But we
got a Team USA team with no shortage of star power.

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Lebron James and what will almost certainly be his final
Olympic appearance, Steph Curry actually in his first Olympic appearance.
Kevin Duran is on the team, Joe lmbead will represent
Team USA for the first time, Anthony Edwards for the
first time in an Olympic Games, Anthony Davis, Kawhi Leonard.
The list goes on and on. J Mart, does this

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team of USA basketball team do anything for you? Get
excited to watch them in Paris this summer only.

Speaker 2 (01:37:07):
For one reason. Not anything they're gonna do on the floor. Oh,
I mean it'll be fine, But I mean I've seen
these super teams play before in the international competition, So
in terms of that, it's not that it won't be something.
I'll watch it all, but it's not something that I
care that much about. The reason why this is relevant

(01:37:28):
is because of everything else that happens as a result
of it. If you go back and look at the
history of super teams. They start right here. These guys
play internationally, they play together, and they become friends. Why
did Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving end up playing together
because they played internationally and they became really close friends. Yeah,

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the same thing happened with Dwayne Wade and Bosh and
Lebron James. Like these guys and they go play internationally,
they discover like new alliances, and they sit there and
they talk, and then they come back and they form
They come back and they try to manufacture this on
the floor, And that right there is why it's interesting.

(01:38:11):
These international competitions then immediately translate to a bunch of
things happening inside the NBA where all of a sudden,
this guy's trying to force a trade out. They're trying
to find a way to make this work underneath the
salary cap and all this kind of stuff. That's why
it's interesting. It's interesting because the NBA future that often
gets changed or made as a result of what's happening.

(01:38:35):
In terms of just like watching them all play together. No,
I mean that doesn't do much for me.

Speaker 1 (01:38:40):
That's crazy. So first of all, I don't think anything
too crazy like that will happen only because most of
these guys are at the tail end of their careers.
You know, you know, I Lebron's going to retire a Laker,
Steph's gonna retire almost certainly a Warrior. You know, if

(01:39:01):
some of these other guys make moves like Duran at
this point, it's like whatever, it's not to say that,
you know, he doesn't have good basketball left, but he's
just moved so many times that I don't like think
it's that interesting. But I will say, like, I actually
just disagree. I'm actually really excited to watch this particular
group of guys play together because one, you know, first

(01:39:23):
of all, I think it's kind of the last hurrah
for again, Steph Lebron for sure, Katie probably in his
mid thirties now, probably will not play in another Olympics.
I don't know. I I'm just you know, I'm not obviously,
I'm I've been critical many many times on these airwaves

(01:39:44):
of the state of NBA basketball. And you know, ten
twenty years ago, he used to tune into the All
Star Game to watch all these guys play together. And
so that has stopped being a thing because guys don't care,
So I don't know, Like like, I am just genuinely
curious to to see how it all works out. Uh,
to see the the younger guys, the Tatums and the

(01:40:07):
Anthony Edwards is kind of uh take the baton to
see if like a Joe l em Bead, like you know,
you talk about the trickle down effect into the season, like,
you know, does he get you know, being around these
guys that have won championships and and you know, one
at the highest level, does maybe he start to realize, Hey,

(01:40:27):
you know, I need to maybe have not I don't
know how to say this delicately, but maybe not be
so goofy like I don't I don't know, you know,
but I don't know. I am. I am curious, and
I am curious because it's not just a bunch of
young guys either entering their prime or whatever. But it
is kind of that old school with the new school.

(01:40:47):
And I would say one other thing too, Jason, you
could certainly comment on what I just said. I saw
Chris and Rob talked about this on the Odd Couple
where they said, you know, is this really the last run?
Where is it even the last? Is it even a
run this this summer where USA really dominates these international competitions.
Just as an example, I mean team Canada is in

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this event. They got Jamal Murray, they got shake Gilges Alexander.
I mean their whole team is basically NBA players.

Speaker 2 (01:41:16):
But France is going to be really interesting considering the
last two number one picks, and I think the number
two pick and this year's draft as well. Like the
international side, I agree with that side of it, like
the more international guys get drafted the and especially get
drafted early as lottery picks, that is going to have
a delitarious effect on what the American team is producing.

(01:41:41):
But I don't know that this is the last raw,
but it might be the last one that feels easy.

Speaker 1 (01:41:47):
Yeah, I don't know. I'm just I am excited. And
I will say, you know, on social media over the
last twenty four or so hours as those guys arrived,
thought it was pretty cool just seeing them all on
one cour in one place, and you know, I'm just
curious to see what it all looks like when they
get on the court. How does the roster, how does

(01:42:07):
like the starting lineup come together? Is a Kevin Durant
type coming off the bench. I wouldn't think so, but
you just never know. There's only five starting spots, so
I do think it's interesting. Fox Sports Radio air towards
Jason Martin broadcasting live forth the Tireck dot Com studios
will come back one quick college football story. We'll get
to that next before we do, though, nos desk de

(01:42:29):
saga what's trending.

Speaker 6 (01:42:30):
By the way, the Olympic final in men's hoops at
the Tokyo Games a few years ago was USA eighty
seven France eighty two. And I am not the first
one to say this, but Rudy Gobert and Victor wimmin
Yama with no three second defensive call standing by I

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don't want to see that. As for MLB action, everything's
final because the late game in San Diego is over
Arizona and ten innings has beaten the Padre seven. The
Padres had bases loaded with no outs in the tenth
and then struck out twice and flied out to end
the game. Colorado a three to one winner over Kansas City,
beating Seth Lugo. The pitcher had been eleven and two.

(01:43:13):
The Dodgers down Milwaukee in one of the Fox TV
games tonight, five to three. Sho hey Otani leads the
National League with now twenty eight home runs. He hit
a solo shot at bottom of the eighth. Will Smith
a first inning homer tonight after three home runs last night,
so the Brewers at Dodger Stadium have lost thirteen of
their last fourteen games. Atlanta got a first inning home

(01:43:34):
run from Marcellosuna and beat Philadelphia five to one. Got
five runs in five innings of Philly starter Ranger Suarez,
who had been ten and two. Miami trailed to White
Sox three nothing in the third, but beat Chicago four
to three. White Sox reliever Michael Soroka took the loss.
The former Braves first rounder zero to nine this season.
Detroit with five runs top of the eighth one five

(01:43:55):
to three at Cincinnati. Toronto was up five to nothing
in the eighth and held on five four. At Seattle,
Cleveland edge San Francisco five to four. The save to
no doubt, an All star from the Guardians, Emmanuel Class
is twenty sixth save. His ERA this year is zero
point six five. The Oakland A's led Baltimore twelve nothing

(01:44:16):
in the third inning. It was seventeen to one after
six nineteen to eight Oakland the final. The A's hit
five home runs. Their attendance today was eight thousand and
five twenty six. The Orioles are first in the AL East,
two games over the Yankees. The Yankees were fourteen to
four winners against Boston as rookie Ben Rice had three
home runs seven RBIs. He started the year at double A.

(01:44:39):
Washington fourteen to six over Saint Louis. The loss to
Lance Lynn. He was down nine to nothing in the
second inning. The Mets got to save from Edwin Diaz,
winning at Pittsburgh five to two. At Texas, Marcus Simians
been slumping badly for a month plus, but hit a
two run homer in the seventh and the Rangers edge
Tampa Bay four to three. The Angel shut out the
Cubs in Chicago seven nothing. The lost to veteran Kyle Hendricks,

(01:45:01):
now one and seven with an ERA over seven and
a half. He went two innings for the Cubs today,
gave up the first two runs, and Minnesota was a
nine to three winner over Houston. Houston still two games
behind first place Seattle in the AL West. For the Twins,
Jose Miranda had a hit in a twelfth straight at bat,
which ties the Major league record, but he later flew

(01:45:22):
out to.

Speaker 1 (01:45:23):
End the streak.

Speaker 6 (01:45:23):
The complete MLB All Star Game rosters will be revealed tomorrow,
including pitchers and reserves for both sides. The game itself
is a week from Tuesday on Fox TV. At Wimbledon,
Number one Egas Fiantec lost in three sets, six two
in the third Coco Goss fourth round matches tomorrow against
fellow American Emma Navarro. At the Euros, England won its

(01:45:44):
quarterfinal on penalty kicks against Switzerland. In England's history, it
had lost seven of its last nine penalty shootouts until today.
Netherlands defeated Turkey out two to one. The semi start
Tuesday on Fox TV with Spain versus France at Copa
America quarterfinal win for Uruguay tonight eliminating Brazil on penalty

(01:46:06):
kicks in Las Vegas. Attendance was fifty one thousand. Columbia
five to nothing over Panama in Arizona. Columbia is unbeaten
in its last twenty seven games. The semis start Tuesday
night with Argentina against Canada on FS one from New
Jersey the last men's Olympic qualifying basketball tournaments and tomorrow

(01:46:27):
four tourneys, four finals, four teams. The last four get
into the men's field tomorrow, including Greece hosting Croatia tomorrow.
Chance for Janison Tenecumpo to advance to the Olympics. He
and his team eliminated Slovenia and Luka Donsich. Today, Brownni
James scored four points in his NBA Summer League debut,

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two of nine shooting from the floors. The Lakers lost
to a Sacramento squad. The Sacramento Kings acquired Damar DeRozan tonight.
Harrison Barnes is going to the Spurs in the sign
and trade and two WNBA games. Minnesota at home beat Washington.
Indiana came back to defeat New York Caitlin Clark at
triple double, the first by a rookie in league history.

Speaker 1 (01:47:07):
Back to you, thank you very much, to Seger, to Saga.
Have a great, great, great evening. You'll be back tomorrow
with Mark Willard and I from Salam Chris Plank and
Arnie Spanier. Fox Sports Radio Er Tours, Jason mart taking
up till two am. Eastern Real Quick Jason, it's gonna
be crazy, It's gonna sound crazy. This week we have

(01:47:31):
the first media days in college football, So SEC is
a week from this Monday, but this week we have
Big Twelve Media Days. J Mart and I bring it
up because just really quickly, just want your perspective on
the Colorado Buffaloes. Dion Sanders coach Prime pick to finish
eleventh out of sixteen teams in the preseason poll. Obviously,

(01:47:55):
coach Prime will speak in Vegas this week at the
Big Twelve, But what do you make of Colorado and
do you, yeah, what do you make of Colorado being
picked to finish eleventh in that lead?

Speaker 2 (01:48:07):
I think there's just a lot of question marks and
a lot of wait and sees because of the way
last year just kind of submarined after the start and
the excitement, everything surrounding the program after that point got
increasingly more negative, and the feeling surrounding it became a
little bit more and more pessimistic. So I think it's

(01:48:29):
kind of maybe it's not even just wait and see.
I think it's just a yellow light, not a green
light right now when you look at Colorado and you
kind of want to see them perform like you want
to see them prove it. You look at it and
you're trying to see what's the dynamic going to be
with coach Prime in year two? What do you learn
from year one? Is something going to change? And then

(01:48:51):
just moving into a conference that's going to be challenging,
and so I mean, I think it's just kind of
hedging your bet. If they end up better than that,
then that won't be a bad thing for college football.
It will be a bad thing for those that are
writing those storylines. I'm curious to see how it's a dressed,
Like are people going to ask questions of Prime, like
what do you think that you what do you think

(01:49:12):
of being picked eleventh? And see if he is willing
to go there and tee off and get very blustery
or if he's going to be more reserved or in
check or downplay that as any kind of a storyline.

Speaker 1 (01:49:26):
It'll be interesting, you know, I see both sides of
the conversation. I think that you know one, I think
it certainly has some combustible elements to it. You know,
you go four and eight last year, you really fall
apart down the stretch. A lot of guys transfer out
you're taking in more transfers. You have some weird social

(01:49:50):
media stuff with schdoor and you know, calling out former players,
and I don't love that and all that, I will
say it'll be interesting. From the opposite perspective as well,
is that they should be more talented, and it is
worth noting like gave up fifty I believe, fifty total
sacks last year, which was second most in college football,

(01:50:10):
worst run game in college football, And it's like if
they're just a little bit better in those categories. I
mean cause with Shador, like there is a reason that
people think he's a legitimate, you know, potential first round
in an NFL draft prospect, Like he can really sling it.
And I know you always make fun of me for
watching college football spring games and I'm not like sitting

(01:50:31):
there with a note pad taking notes, but I remember
seeing Colorado spring game and just kind of flipping channels
and you forget, like Chador really can't sling it, Like
he is a very special talent. And it's like, if
you just get a little bit more protection, if you
just get a little bit more run game to balance
it out, if the defense is just a little bit better,
And I'm not saying, you know, go from the the

(01:50:53):
one hundred and thirty first run game to the twenty third,
Like if you just get a little bit of improved
in all those places. They went four and eight last year.
You know, they lost a bunch of games by not
a very big margin, lost by a touchdown to usc
see lost on a walk off field, going to Arizona,
et cetera. Like there is that scenario where they could

(01:51:14):
be better. But I think I'm gonna need to see
it before I fully believe it.

Speaker 2 (01:51:19):
Yeah, and I think that's it. I mean, that really is.
It's just we all just have to actually watch season
two occur and see what changed from season one, if
there were some things that were learned. And yeah, I agree.
I mean I don't think Schuder's taken any kind of
a step back. I think he's a legit star and
we just have to I think it's just kind of new,

(01:51:42):
and we know there was a lot of change both
in personnel as well as what's happening on the sidelines
with different people coming in and whatever. Maybe Dion was
able to learn from that experience in a major conference
in one year. He applies in year two and we
see where they are Eleventh is pretty I mean, eleventh
out of sixteen you would hope to be better than that.

(01:52:03):
I think it's very possible they are better than that,
but I think that's a safe place to put them,
where you don't put them completely in the seller. But
you're basically saying, yeah, you're gonna have to go earn
my respect. You're gonna have to go and improve something
to me, because I don't see it just blossoming right
in front of my eyes.

Speaker 1 (01:52:23):
Be interesting to watch. Big twelve Media Days is this
week college football in the NFL. Right around the corner,
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J Mart real quick, I want to get to the
teas that I laid out, But one quick thing. I'm
curious your perspective. And we talked about Team USA basketball
just a minute ago. A bunch of big names there,

(01:53:28):
you know, Lebron, Steph kd, Joe l embiid one guy
that is also part of Team USA. Kawhi Leonard, missed
the Clippers' final eight regular season games, games one, four,
and six of the first round of the playoffs, which
obviously they lost to the Dallas Mavericks. You have problem
with Kawhi playing Team USA when he basically can't stay

(01:53:51):
healthy for the team that actually pays him as salary
every year.

Speaker 2 (01:53:55):
I mean, I'm not a Clippers fan, so no, but
if I was, yes, because it's like you couldn't suit
up for me, and you are consistently taking off a
lot of time during the regular season, not just this year,
but throughout much of your career. You're aloof and odd
you've dealt with injuries, but you're gonna play in the

(01:54:15):
off season in this tournament where we're probably gonna win
the gold medal without you, and then you're still gonna
need time off next regular season. Yeah, Like I can
understand be a mytht about that.

Speaker 1 (01:54:29):
It is interesting, and I think I probably would be
as well. It is. It is interesting by the way.

Speaker 2 (01:54:36):
It's all.

Speaker 1 (01:54:37):
It's sort of the same with Joel Embiid. I don't
know that i'd be quite as outraged if I was
a Sixers fan about Mbad playing, but he's another one
that has missed a lot of time. And with Kawhi, yeah,
I do actually kind of think that I'd be pretty
upset if I was a if I was a Clippers fan,
because of course, again he can't stay healthy and eb.

Speaker 2 (01:54:59):
To think is even more or I mean, it's different though,
Like I agree with what you're saying. The problem with
Embiid is this, like if I'm a Sixers fan, dude,
you get hurt all the time. You tell me you're
playing extra basketball. That's where I'm concerned if I am
as a Sixers fan, Yeah, but not maybe Nam quite
to the same extent, Like Embiid is Samuel L. Jackson

(01:55:19):
and unbreakable. He is mister Glass like He's gotten hurt
over and over and over and over again. He could
barely ever finish the season. And it's not a low
management issue. He just his body betrays him over and over.
So you're gonna then play him in international basketball, which
is a physical style game. If he comes out of
there injured. I don't think anybody's gonna be particularly surprised,

(01:55:42):
but I'm gonna be real angry if I'm Philadelphia.

Speaker 1 (01:55:46):
Very interesting stuff. Tmusa. By the way, their first exhibition
is Tuesday night in Las Vegas. So real quick. We're
talking about the potential of a sport or an event
at the very least U disappearing. I thought it was interesting.
Nathan's hot dog eating contest was, of course, depending on

(01:56:07):
where you were two three days ago in uh in
Coney Island, July fourth tradition. J Martin, I am not
a huge hot dog guy. Well, I like hot dogs. Yeah,
I like hot dogs. I'm not a big fan of
the competition.

Speaker 2 (01:56:22):
Yeah, me either.

Speaker 1 (01:56:24):
I will say it felt this was, of course, the
first year without Joey Chestnut, who is banned from the competition.
It felt like on social media there was just no
buzz at all about this event. And I saw the
ESPN betting people said that they got about a third

(01:56:44):
of the betting handle that they normally did, so, in
other words, two thirds less money coming in on the event.
I think we're at the point Joey Chestnut is officially
bigger than Major League Eating because I didn't care. I
don't know anybody else that cared, and I will I'll say, like,
you know, usually it is like a thing on social
media July fourth, people are at least, you know, tuning

(01:57:05):
in to watch Joey Chestnut. It felt like absolute crickets
on Thursday, July fourth.

Speaker 2 (01:57:11):
I mean again, I mean, this is the same deal
where we were talking about earlier with Michael Phelps and
things like that, like there's one reason to watch if
you're gonna watch. For me, it's not enough. But I'll
find out how many he ate after the thing. But
the only the only thing I would push back on
is the people that watched the hot dog eating contest.

(01:57:32):
I still feel like the number is going to be
like if you if you're somebody that enjoys that contest,
you're probably still gonna watch it. I don't know that
him not being there would affect it, but everything else, yes,
I mean, of course there's no interest level. It feels
like a sham because it's not you're not beating someone

(01:57:53):
without having the goat there. What are you proving the
guy that won it? I mean, what do you do?
You get the mustard belt and you're like, you're just
throw in the back. I'm gonna go ahead and leave.
Don't do any press conferences or anything like that I
already mentioned. I mean the ready made thing here. If
you're in this again goes I pro wrestling background. Immediately
think to myself, well, Nathan's in this. Vegan Company need

(01:58:14):
to have made this decision behind closed doors to do
this thing and then create a new champion so that
there's a new challenger for Joey Chestnut to go against
that has something behind him. I people think is a failure,
and of course he probably gets boat raced in the thing,
but it creates another matchup, It creates another thing that.

Speaker 1 (01:58:34):
You would they have brought Kobyashi back though, well.

Speaker 2 (01:58:37):
Yeah, obviously, but I'm just saying like I don't know
what kobea. I don't know what Kobyashi's skill set is.

Speaker 7 (01:58:44):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:58:45):
I don't know how much he's lost, maybe he's lost
a step or two or a bite or five or
whatever it is. But I kind of look at it
and just say, you're creating something. In twenty twenty four,
it's like, hey, we didn't let Joey chest Nut in
this other dude one. Then Chestnut comes out and he's like, yeah,
that dude can't lace up my sneakers and bam, can't

(01:59:06):
put on my bib or whatever it is. And then
you go handle it and you create that. But then,
of course, yes, the Legend fight is the only two
competitive veders anyone knows are Kobyashi and Joey chestnutt well.

Speaker 1 (01:59:19):
And I will say I am interested in watching the
Joey Yeah, I'm not. I don't know that I will,
but I am interested in watching Joey chestnun in Kobyashi
because Kobyashi is the one guy that can compete. By
the way, if you think they're trying to build up
this next guy, j Mart, they're not gonna do a
very good job. Because the winner of the hot dog
eating contest eate fifty eight hot dogs at the Nathan's

(01:59:42):
hot dog eating contest in the ten minute event. Joey
Chestnutt had his own event where he ate fifty seven
in five minutes, So in five minutes in half the time,
he ate one less hot dog than the eventual champ.
But I'll tell you what, Ja mart we got to
get out of here. We think the cruise sche Shay
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