July 10, 2024 • 40 mins
Welcome to Unbreakable! A mental wealth podcast hosted by Fox NFL Insider Jay Glazer. On today’s episode, Jay goes inside the octagon with UFC Legend The “Iceman” Chuck Liddell. Enjoy all the incredible stories (some embarrassing ones haha) and laughs from their twenty plus years of friendship!
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
This is Unbreakable with Jay Glacier, a mental wealth podcast
build you from the inside out.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Now here's Jay Glacier.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Welcome into Unbreakable mental Wealth podcast with Jay Glazer and
Jay Glazer. And when I do this podcast pretty cool
because I get people from all walks of life. But
else you get to have my best friends on and
sometimes your best friends they punch you in the face.
This is one of my best friends and he punches
me in the face. You know him as the Ice Band,
the one and only Chuck Liddell.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
How are you, brother, I'm doing great, man, man. Yeah,
I love bunching that faith.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Yes, you really do. You absolutely do, especially so I
know Chuck and I.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Are gonna get a lot of things that you guys
don't know about Chuck that I do so ione to
make sure we all know it. But Chuck also likes
to make sure that he starts off every conversation by
fucking with me and tell telling people the stories uh
that try to.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Embarrass me the most. He said, the altitu you're training,
So okay, no, I'll I'll take it.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
I'll take it.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
I'll take it. I'll take it from here. I'll take
him here. So one of the first times, not one
of the first times. Chuck and I go to train
one time.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
I go to Cabo for a week with Stray and
and we're like, on a yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
I'm gonna drinking bench, no doubt.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
And I go right from there to San Luis Obispo
to train with him and glover to Shaa and I'm,
you know, halfway through training and you have me do
this conditioning drill and I say to Chuck, go ahead.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Then what's the ouse is do up here? Man? I'm
really but it's really getting to me. I think we're
below sea level. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
So, yes, I was gassed beyond gas, but I think
I was also still drunk. But Chuck will never let
me live that down. Absolutely never. Yeah, No, that I
wanna sitting Duck hey.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
And the other one is we go to the Maxim
party at the two thousand and seven Super Bowl and
back then, you know, everybody wore like a flicking shirts
and ship.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
He got paid to, right, so that's we did. But
I wore this like shirt. It's a great wall of
China and it was bedazzled.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
It would be right, I said to Chuck. And I said, hey, Chuck,
these girls just like got me this shirt. What do
you think?
Speaker 4 (02:13):
Hey, do you know better than it? Asked me?
Speaker 3 (02:16):
See, should I wear this shirt? Of course you shared
that shirt is awesome.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
It was the worst shirt in the history of life.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Not only did I wear this dazzled shirt, we wore
it on the red carpet for a maximum show and
I'm just getting illed by everybody, and I.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Turned the chuck on my trouve. He told me the
shirt was great. Yeah, as the super balls said, you trouble,
the shirt was great. And you remember what you said?
Speaker 4 (02:42):
Oh, I don't remember exactly what I said.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
You said, I didn't think you'd really wear it.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
I thought you were kidding. It was worth it. It was awesome.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
We got one of the coolest moments of our life
on that same red carpet.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Where the guy who plays mcglove and couldn't get into
the party because everybody knew he was too young.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Find the movie super Bad. You and I got mclovin
in the party. That was a highlight for me.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
That was a good times.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
So again, I have known a cat since two thousand
and three. We've trained together, we have laughed a lot together.
We've cried a lot together. We've been there as brothers,
as training partners, faring partners, mental health brothers.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
By far, we've been through a lot together, and he's
also coached. We've coached together.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
We've coached a lot of football players together in our
MMA athletics program.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
We've created way back in the day, so a lot
of things we can hit.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
So I think people, you know, see the ice band
and you know, obviously he's a legend of this sport,
but in the early.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Days, people don't know, Like I want, I want people to.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Go back and look at this fight Chuck fought in
a bare knockle fight in the jungles of Brazil, a
guy named Jose Peleylandis with netting on the bottom of
the ring that you were allowed to use as a weapon.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
And how much was that? How much were you getting?
It was?
Speaker 4 (04:01):
It was thousand the show in three thousand more to win.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
How was it okay? So what point in your career
did you say this is what I'm gonna do.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
I don't know, I really I was actually at the
end of my kickboxing career. I was just kind of
at the point where I was like, you know, maybe
it's not mon be in a real job. And Nick
one kick actually asked. It came up to me and
he said, hey, and man, Alphie U says, you're pretty,
You're a good wrestler.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
You want to do a mixed fight?
Speaker 3 (04:29):
When did a mixed fight Atans Hotel in Vegas? Actually
it was a It was on a kickboxing card that
I was doing a It was like a pancer style fight.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
Kick down.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
That means open, open bomb. You can't closet, but everything
but everything else. In mixed martial arts, it's an m
M A fight but with open strikes.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
Yeah, open hand shots.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
So uh and the rules kept changing as we had
up to it, but you know, I was there in
ways I what we decided.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
You're not gonna get it with your bombs.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
You just slapped their fingers and then goes to the ground,
no striking. They kept changing, but it didn't matter. I
wound up kicking the guy ahead, knocking them out. Bait man,
you want to fight in the UFC, Yeah, that'd be cool.
So I went and fought in uh UC seventeen a
couple of months later for one thousand dollars to show
(05:16):
and a chance to get into the tournament. I was
an alternate to the tournament, which I think the winning
winner got twenty grand I think it was Wow. I
was and I fell over the sport and just you know,
and just started started fighting. I kept fighting instead of
getting a real job.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
So wait, so so the so the fighting Brazil was
after you're already in the UFC.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
After before Yeah, if I went after that.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Oh okay, right, well then it was I want to
go back.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
I said, guys sent me a two fight deal. I'm like, hey, man,
I got It's almost that whole my deal though, what
am I doing? Like, I got you fight fight in Brazil?
And originally when I signed up for it was a
tournament and the eight man tournament and then uh they
decided me a white one fifty five pound class and
did sho super fights. Actually Vane was on that car.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
And what avan? Who's the vandally self fight on that card?
Speaker 3 (06:02):
You remember? Oh man, I can't. I can't remember his name.
He's a wrestler, all right, So go into this for
people again. I want people to go YouTube district or
google it. You're going in this, dude, Like, when do
they tell you, hey, you could use this netting?
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Because that's what eventually you win the.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Fight because you kind of wrapped his head around netting
and just start punching in face.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
I just push.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
They just said you can't grab the ropes, and you can't.
That was really the rules where you couldn't bite. You've
been an eye gouts and you really couldn't grab the ropes.
We know how to put oil on before the fight's
either allegedly legal headbuts of legal stomps for legal. I
actually had think I stopped at the end of the fight.
I had him stuffed underneath because the net went from
(06:43):
the bottom rope to the to the edge, so like
planted down right, So I have through in that and
I'm hitting him through his head, stuck him the net.
I'm hitting him in the net through the net. He's
like stuck there and I look over and no one's stopping.
I'm looking around on whatever he goes finish this fight.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
So for all your fights, that's the one that I
marveled at the most, because again it's for grand it's
no rules. You could growing strike head but anything you want,
and it's bare knuckle right, and it was one is
it twenty five minute round.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
Right, one thirty minute round.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Thirty minute round. My bad, sorry, one thirty minute round.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
And then the guys in the tournament.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
I watched a guy, the guy that won the tournament,
the hate Man tournament that almost hit. He won to
thirty minute fights and going to win in the final,
winning after winning two thirty minute fights by the guy
that finished this guy really going twice. And then in
the same night fighting he won the same night, same night, Right,
he won ninety minutes of fighting.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
In the same night, because oh my god, who was
do you know who that?
Speaker 2 (07:47):
You remember who that was?
Speaker 4 (07:48):
Get to get kids say it, but it was stuff.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Wow, ninety minutes and one night.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
So I wanted back to your first UFC fight because couple,
there's a couple of things on this. You were you
were cutting weight on the way to like in the airport, right.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Oh yeah, it's funny shoe show. He's a long time
cutting wakes.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
They showed.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
I landed actually there afterway and started it was whatever
I started on the layover. How bad do you feel
for the guys sitting the guys sit next to me.
I think I brought my plasters I put him on.
Uh So during the way over, I started getting getting
my start kind of broke my sweat and then that's
just left us the fun got onto my plane and
(08:31):
sat there.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
So you were in a soldad suit on the plane
trying to cut waight.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Cut wait all the way on the way to on
the way the way out there. So that's pretty funny.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
How long is the layover it? How much?
Speaker 4 (08:44):
Wait?
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Do you think you cut there?
Speaker 3 (08:46):
I wasn't cutting too bad, but I was still I mean,
I was in great shape back then. I was kind
of coming, but I was still cutting from twenty to ten,
down and down one night nine, way down one nine.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
Yeah, that was. That was back when I was still
one night and nine.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Oh really yeah?
Speaker 4 (09:03):
That light light anywhere originally light everyway was one night
and nine.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
I remember that. I don't remember that at all.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Okay, yeah, that was really I think that was before
that they had they didn't have light.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
They didn't have light. Way had that one seventy one,
one night nine and hevylight I.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Fight one eighty, which doesn't exist at all, right, it
was back then. There's no one eighty anywhere, probably should be.
But there were also something else. You were like super
disappointed about that fight. They got your name spelled bro.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Oh yeah, oh no, walking out to it. Oh yeah,
so I thought her all the time. First fight, I'm
walking out to the ring, Nick spun right everywhere else.
I look up, I look up at the screen at
the thing.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
I'm like, really, well, grandma rollover in the grave. Like
they spell my name wrong? How did spell it? It
was l I D E L Okay.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
I think they got it wrong in the the VCR
box too, right, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
I don't remember that on the box.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Yeah, that you were bitching me about that.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Yes, yeah, I was on the box, like my picture
my name. I wasn't a video on the VHS okay. Well,
but but it came out of the ages because that
was the first fight of the night on paper view.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
How's a different training for a thirty minute fight, thirty
minute round as.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Opposed to five minut rounds.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
You know what, when we're doing the thirty minute rounds
we do we did. We would do three minute cargo
with the guy and then my brother Dan. It was
a big dude, no no about three point thirty heat
coming in after a minute in between the rounds and
just pushed me around.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Well, so you did thirty minutes straight with him?
Speaker 3 (10:36):
So yeah, you didn't, Yeah, just to strike getting It
was interesting getting ready for that, but it was It
was long and I had a good time.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
How do you prepare yourself when growing strikes are allowed?
Speaker 4 (10:48):
You don't really have to prepare for that one thing,
I kind of.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
I think when you're going start starting leg it was
quite strikes are legal.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
I think for the most part most even don't along much.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
But I mean, I think when you were protecting or
I think that it's a guy that you should protected,
are growing, It's like, uh, I mean if you're not
protecting the problem is normally when you keep going, you're like,
wait a minute, you're not supposed to do that, guy,
but stop, So you're not really protecting it like you
would normally.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Right, so then you know, obviously life starts going on
here give me the moment you realize life changed.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
So let me back up. Chuck and I went to
a party one time.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Uh in O three, I think Marcus Allen Warren Moorman
throwing a party. I took you there and people were like,
what's up with your friend with the mohawk and the
Chinese letters tattooed?
Speaker 2 (11:38):
And said, I'm like.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
That.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
And the next year we went back to the same party.
They're like, holy shit, you know Chuck with l I'm like,
so do you guys? You guys were talking about his
mohawk last year. When when did you realize life? Like,
give me that the story the moment like, oh my god,
life has changed.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
I was it was after we had it just started airing,
and we it was after all the fighters just started airing.
I actually was a great beginning of five. And I
was walking through a mall as a friend and someone
wants walked up sweat so, you know, an old lady
walking by it, you know, six year old lady.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
Hey, So like.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Hey, Hi, you know wait waiting eye I got how
do you know before that I can walk in the
room and go, okay, that guy probably knows who I am.
That guy and I got the tap bite shirt definitely
knows who I am. It was it maybe the guy
with a dad's shirt over there.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Fuck you. But now grandma, there's no who you are?
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Like oh hey, And then like walking out, hey, it
got pretty good and then they just kept me exploded
from there.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
And you know it's interesting too because people always ask
for like the difference of being around football and the
fight world, and I said, being around football obviously is
nothing like it. That is no, that's America's pastime. There's
no bigger, there's nothing more powerful than the NFL. But
being around fighting, we're around the start. To imagine if
you're around when the NFL started, that's really what it was.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
We're around the start.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Wasn't the start of a sport technically because it's been around,
but really around the start of the explosion of a sports.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Imagine when the NFL. Guys, when this thing first started,
I first got big. That's what it's like.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
And that for me was just it was incredible and
you know, the evolution for you also to see where
now suddenly you're not just.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Some you know, club fighter.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Now you're you're you're a headliner and you're doing you know,
major shows.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
Life changed, right for sure.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
I've gotten so many crazy things now for from being
a Fator've been on you know, on the Sampson's and
Hanks Garage, Uh live out and see I Workaholics was fun.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
Are crazy shows.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
But the other thing also is as you start to
get famed, I kind of want you done it. It's
a little bit the sharks kind of come out also
like where no one really you give a shit talking
to you.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
And now all of a sudden people realize, oh man,
they start hearing about.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Your salary, they start seeing the fame, and sharks start
coming out trying to get your money. Also, I know
I try to help you with that, but how how
much I mean talk about that, just you.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Know, trying to deal with now all sudden people coming
out of nowhere.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
You know, and it's it's hard to remember, like you try,
you treat people like your life, you know, you know
you never have people after you for that. You know
they never have it. Just couldn't want to be right
because of the money are fame, and it's a little
it's a little strange, you know, like having oh you know,
you start feeling like sometimes like hey, well okay, what
are you going?
Speaker 4 (14:38):
Why you being like that to me? Before you be
like oh okay to school?
Speaker 3 (14:42):
You know, but you got any and you and you
learn along the way you have to care for you know,
you gotta make careful what people's intentions are. Get it
gets so I try to try not My biggest thing
is I try not to let other people change me.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
I try to get down trying to try to still
be the same guy I was.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
I talked to you about this back then because I
where it helped me was being friend a stray hand
since day one.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
And people don't remember he really plays first few years.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
And then all of a sudden, year five boom, and
Michael and I went to the same restaurants every single night.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
We're broke as shit. I was broke a shit. We
went to the same places, and.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Then all of a sudden, year five, he gets fifteen
sacks and signs I think it was a four year,
twelve million dollar deal or fourteen million dollar deal or
something like that, And all of a sudden, all the
same people that saw us every night at dinner suddenly
started walking up, offering them this business deal and that
business deal, and record labels and jeans company, and hey,
I can get you to be the next napster and
(15:36):
Facebook and this before face, I mean in MySpace, poor
Facebook was around, and I got to be the no guy.
You know, I was broke, so it didn't matter if
I was an asshole and or if I fucking put
my hands on somebody who's in none to do.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Mike couldn't do it.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
But it was a great lesson and I remember doing
the same thing for like you and Randy when that
came about just telling these stories man, these just use
your your name image. Life is basically right, and don't
don't invest money because then you can't lose it.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Just get them to send you some mal.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
Money for sure, you know.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Just yeah, trying to keep keep it said, let it,
let it go, just keep be be more mindful of
who what's going on, and try to keep moving forward.
You know, it's said, I don't want to let people
change me. That experience is changing that make it, you know,
that makes you full away or not meet new people.
(16:30):
I'm a people first time I being around people, So
give me, give me.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
The best lessons from fighting that equate to life. And
then if it's a different, talk.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
To kids that we're talking people about about fighting. But
what what makes you great? What makes people? Do? I
watch a lot of shows on stuff what makes people great?
So I mean you really just I mean it comes
down to practice. Can ask me day and what what
made you really good?
Speaker 4 (16:55):
Practice? I go out and I work, I learned, I
tried to learn more.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
I always we'll always try to learn and learn new things,
new drills, trying to have John was great at he'd
had things in for certain fights. He tried, let's let's
add add one thing here, your repertoire or whatever it's
let's put this in your tool box. Let's just pull
that out, you know, and when I use that for
this fight, will exists.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
Stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
I mean a lot of it come down to, you know,
is putting the effort in that to put end the
time in to learn things. And then for if you're
looking for something and you can find something you love doing,
because I mean I look at people that, uh, you
know that are really great at what they do that
you know, they they enjoy it, you know, they just
they just do it, you know, they that.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
They practice is more like I just I got more
time to go do this here do that. There.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
I was watching the Ever interviewed this kid and the
piano player, you know, he's eighty years old. Like the
interviewer asked him, so, how many hours of the day
do you play to get this good?
Speaker 4 (17:53):
Yeah? How many hours day do you play? It looked up,
I'm like, what do you mean? I don't know.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
I just played and that stuff got me because I
thought about it back, I'm like, you know what, that's
kind of funny.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
I was the guy. Mars Arts is my thing I loved.
I loved doing how to fight, and I love one
of the things about march Arts. I liked that I
figured out.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Early on, if I work hard and learn more than
the other guys and get better at it to the
other guy, I can I can beat that guy. I
can get better than that. I can move past seven.
And that was a big thing for it, and that was
something I've loved doing. So I used to rush home
from football practices to make it to karate, and I
rush home for wrestling practice to make it to karate.
(18:33):
You know, I do my homework during school so I
could go to karate sooner.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
You know, it's just.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
Putting in work. You know, you have to do the
work you want to get good. I mean, there's some
really talented people out there that never make it even
in football. I mean I remember some of the most
talented guys I knew from high school football never made
it even you know, they got to go to college
and just kind of you know, they continue into college.
Speaker 4 (18:56):
Everybody there. You know, you original want college. Everybody there talent, right.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
You've been obviously kind of meant. A lot of fighters
over the years also give it like the.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
When you get brought into camp, the best advice you
give those guys guys are already fought.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
What's something you're able to elevate them with.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
Trying to add something to their game. Whatever.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
Okay, I see something in about the fighters so that
we're this can make this move to make you a
little better. Or there's a little little extra thing that
I do here that give you, gives you a little advantage,
you know in this situation to work. You know, like, hey,
look if you I don't care if you if you're
laying the rest and you know you can just didn't
(19:34):
any more energy to put your head head and get
a good head position. And then now you're a fifty
to fifty position, I said, and looking like you're losing
while you're taking the rest. You know, little things like
that are using the best advice i'd give the guys
that are already fighting.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
But also be prepared. You'll never forgive yourself for going
I signed.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
I know, if you go out there and you've done
all your work, you've got ready for the you gotta
they relax and have fun. Then you can go out
there and relax, have fun, have a good time. That's
the way for me. I worked as hard as I
could get to get up to a fight. You, I
worked as hard as I could getting ready, and when
the training camps over, Hey, you know you don't have
(20:16):
any time to do anything else, So relax, enjoy the
enjoy your week of uh you know, whatever you're doing,
whatever you do during the week we pre fight, and
then go out there and enjoy the fight.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
Man, do what you're plan.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
You got your game ban and go out there and
see if you can follow and if you got make adjustments,
make fine night.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
I've been with you to finite a billion times, but
your rest world hasn't so and everyone's different.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Like Dan Henderson and Brandon can throw those fuckers to
falling asleep. You're listening to Country of music and singing
and he's a horrible singer. I don't know I ever
asked you this. What goes through your head? They are
during their hurry up and way.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
To the warm up?
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Are you nervous? Do you have nerves? Are you excited
or you're happy?
Speaker 4 (20:55):
What? What's your I'm really I'm really excited to get
out there. And do it.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
I'm ready to do I mean, I you know, in
my head, I mean, he's gonna go perfect.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
And and then I get out there and.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
I'm just focused, I mean, and to me, I actually
takes a little bit of time to enjoy walking out
or as soon as you walking out of the crowds.
And crowds are great and definitely so loud coming out
and a lot of fun, you know, but when I walk,
as soon as I walk in the cage, it's it's
all business. And and fighters are different people. Some guys
have to be motivated to be fired up. And I
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was kind of like a.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
More like a I don't know, I just want to
relax more.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
I'm relaxed, and I'm I'm ready, and I'm you know,
I if I if I heard someone, I'm I'm gonna
go finish them anyway. I'm I'm almost like a serial killer,
you know, just I just I just go in and
try to I'm trying. I'm trying to hurt you. I'm
really out there trying to hurt you, hurt you very bad.
And as soon as it's over, I hope you all
right give.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Me the best walk out. You're a member of like
just something like oh, man, like and take us, take
us behind.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Your riped you want to feel like you know honestly
that the first second nobody was he walking out, walking out,
and it was that huge d Frank Trigg that night.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
That was the one where he picked him up the
carry cross.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Ye where he was almost lost in true.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Right, yeah, and then they big then he picked him
up with Cara. That's with my good friends. So I
was going freaking out in the back, going crazy, and
while I was supposed to be warming up to the fight,
right and uh when Toss and Sam he picked him up,
carried over to his corner and then walking out after that,
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and there's this guy in front of me, right, we're
walking out, and this guy's been in my locker round
the whole time, right and sitting there. And I thought
it was like a new thing that the UNFC was doing,
like they want some kind of man.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
Was in the locker room. Yeah, and this guy would
have made it.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
I don't know who you are, but you would have
made it to the ring if you hadn't stood in
front of me.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
You were standing standing right in front of me, and
I'm like.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
With the camera with the cameras are on.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
The camera, Dre on camera. You got to get that
guy out.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
When your guy out him in front of you, I
look at him like, I don't know where Skyty he
was with you?
Speaker 4 (23:11):
What? Really, I didn't know.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
The random fan gets in front of you to do
the walkout?
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Yeah, I was like, I don't know this guy. You guys,
from what I heard it, the guy didn't even have
a chicken. I don't know I got Really, he made
his way all the way in the back and in
the dressing room somehow.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Oh my god.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
This is before all the social media. Really, so it
wasn't like it wasn't like he was trying to do
something sneaky day and get it on the town.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
And I probably probably was probably just doing any probably.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
Didn't even have a bunch of I send. The guy
doesn't have pictures?
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Oh my god? The way how far did he get?
Speaker 3 (23:51):
We were they were ready to, like the other guy
walked out, And when they were ready to walked out,
you were and I'm standing in front of me and
the camera. Guys like, hey, get your guy out from
the front. We're about to start. They're about to start
my music.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Oh my god. That is hilarious. So you're in the whole,
you're in the holding area, and he's there about to go.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
I'm standing out there in the holding arm bouncing, getting
ready to get If he walked, if he just walked
behind me, he would have walked away and he would
he probably would have made it to the rank.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
He probably would have huged you right before you went it.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
Yeah, yeah, right back in the day. I mean, that was.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
When one of my one of my my other Dan,
Dan was there and I my dad how shown getting
the rank. My other brother got in the rank somehow,
and he was like after my fight, and he like
he was the nosebleeds. Really yeah, he had see it.
How did you get all the way to the rank?
Speaker 4 (24:45):
But somehow he got in the ring.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Give me the most exhilarating moment you ever had after
a whip? Who wasn't you know?
Speaker 3 (24:53):
But again that that that was mean, that was probably
the biggest one because you know, I was so just
pointed after losing the first one.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
It wasn't so much losing.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
The Brandy so Randy was such a great fighter, but
but you know, let Tito off the hook, so fight me.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
So I was so bummed. But what I thought.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
And finally, you know, I knocked out Randy, you know,
the guy who beat me first thing, I knocked it out.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
He beat me before. We just I just wore an
altimate fighter, you know.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
And you know, I finally got the title I've been
after forever, and it was it was pretty awesome, you know.
So that was probably the most excited I was. And
I got to do it in the first round, knockout
the way I like to do it, right, it was.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
But did it feel better to beat Randy than Tito
or Chiez?
Speaker 4 (25:39):
That was more fun? But I knew that was gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
I was just kind of proven what I would already
told everybody I was gonna do, right, But I don't
know if that I don't know if it felt any better.
I mean it was, I think it felt more to
you know, Randy beat me. He was it was more
of a competition, right And.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
By the way, you learned something that Randy fro you
and I teach player it's a lot and you know,
Chuck and I trained hundreds hundreds of football players together
and pro athletes together, but were show it like, hey,
you in the cage on the field, you don't show it.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
You don't show you're hurt, you don't show you're tired.
We don't take a stool. We right.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
And when that first fight, yeah, tony, funny story. I
always tell the story, guys, and I did you know?
That was something I used to tell people all the time,
all my guys too. And then you know, during that fight,
I screwed up in the big fight stuff. And you know,
I was protecting my knee during training, and that was
one hundred percent healthy going in.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
But I hadn't been doing any grow.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Wrestling because that's trying to peck my knee. And I thought,
and I was coking, that'd be fine. I don't worry
about it. Getting the wrestling to conditioning is a lot
different than striking conditioning. I was like, I could run good,
I could strike good, and start as soon as I
started wrestling, I got really tired. But you know one
of the things that that at the end of I
think it was in the third round or something, and Randy,
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and Randy was really tired. He got done that, they
said in this corner, and they looked over that they
saw me on.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
Your seat.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
Over there, dying in my corner, and and then and
I think I don't know it was Hemison and one
of them.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
Hey look look at Chuck. Look out right now, see
you got him pushing me done, you know?
Speaker 3 (27:15):
And I still I still think I was intelligently defending
hiself when they stopped it, but I should And and
somehow someone told me the head on.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
A couple of the cards, which would have been ridiculous.
There shouldn't have been.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
I heard I was a head on the cards at
the time when they stopped it. I think I think
they should give me a little more time to try
to win that fight. But I don't think it would
have changed anything.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
So and but that's that's the point too, Like saw
you your body language shuck hit, sucked it up and
and and you know that, and get pushing the way
I normally wouldn't normally should I would have it would
have it could have had a different thing, right, And
then that's for everybody. We teach touch every football player,
don't put your hands on hip. By the way, now,
(27:58):
Truck and I are trying to tell peop will completely different. Man,
talk about your ship, open up to people, talk to
you for if you're hurting, if you're going through stuff,
talk to you.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Truck and I have cried in the cage to live.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
And by the way, that's a separate thing, right, you
gotta play separate you know, life and doing it and
fighting are two different things playing the sport, playing the game.
But you're you're trying to trick together. It's it's a
it's a leans do an as you go.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
You got to show the guy.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
You don't want to give the guy any any chake
of week weekness, anything for for the for that fight,
so you can finish that fight, finish that game and
it's over. And so if you let those weaknesses, you
know you have that stuff and you try to try that.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
With that can't go in definitely for everybody.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
You can't go with life.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
And that's that's the thing though, Like we teach it
so much in sports, and like like I said, Chuck
and I, we'll train and then we'll send under the bags.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Chuck and I will literally be crying each other about
deep stuff that's going in our lives.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
And you know, it's a complete opposite of what we
just taught and coach each other five minutes before.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Don't show it, don't ever show don't ever show it,
And guys that they.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Get trouble thinking, well, we have to take that same
mindset in a life. You need the complete opposite mindset
in life. It's okay to show it in life. It's
okay to show that you're tired, so kay, to show
that something's sort so kay, to show your life is
wearing you down to get some help.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
It's one of those things. I mean, I don't like playing.
I don't like to get you know, there's no reason
I don't play it a lot. I don't look him up.
But you know, you gotta work through takes. And I
don't believe you ever give up. You know, there's not
keeping you know, keep moving, keep keep moving forward, keep pushing.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
You know. That's that's what what people do. Short people do.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
But yeah, and that's what makes us strong. Dude Truck
Truck is one of the most vulnerable dudes in road, folks.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
He's not like I mean, but you have to work
through stuff. That that's part of being strong, you know,
being able to you know, work through things and get
get better, you know, just just beating yourself up and.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Doesn't you know it doesn't help.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
But the same way you asked, you've been great asking
for help trainer in a cage.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
You also do your great turn of around. Sid Hey, man,
I need help. I need to talk to you. I
need to come see you, I need to meet with you.
You've been great with that and I'm proud.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
Of for that. Well, yeah, that's that's what friends before
you know you've been as we have in there for you, whatever, whatever,
whatever people need.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
I want to get back to the fighting part.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Give me the moment your life in your in your
fight career, where you were, like I guess the most
adversity you had to overcome in a win.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
I told my m c L like a week and
a half before a fight, I mean I fight the
second Sito fight, and honestly, if you kick inside kick
the inside light kick on my left I think my
left light. But if you kicked it, if you kick
the director like just above, behold my knee, I mean
my knee froze with a froze for like thirty seconds.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
We're like, oh, I'm runge.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
The thirty seconds made adjustments to what I was. Okay,
I'm not kicking it. You know I'm not gonna do
the second or that shoot the first fight. Oh yeah,
that was my left for that because my first fighter,
why trainer might get hurt my knee, but by righting
it was hurt I to and I heard my hand sale.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
But that was about three weeks for the fight.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
And so if you watch to go back and watch
my at the end of the first round, I through
a headcake. At the end of the round, I walked
back to the corner. Okay, don't limp, don't limp. Talk
to myself, don't limp, don't limp. No more kicks today,
we're gonna be punching out second round.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
Not it's about thirty seconds later.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
But but well, but you gotta fight to look chuck us.
Those tells too. And I've talked this to everybody. Do
not tap to a choke.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
Do not.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
It doesn't hurt, you may be embarrassed. Who gives a fuck?
Take here, you go out. Don't tell you to a shoke.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
I always say, you know, and it's if it's a choke,
if I can think to tap like and thing to
try to get out of it.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
And some of those jokes turn in net cranks.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
So sometimes hey, guys, you know, but for me, if
it's if it's just if it's if it's a if
it's a choke, I'm I'm trying. I'm still trying to
get out of it until it's too late.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Well, but that's the thing though, But you did you
had who were fighting?
Speaker 1 (32:02):
Was it?
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Horn just had you? And then he asted his grip.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
I saw that.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
I saw that that other fight that I that they
they said she wasn't out of it, and and my
was there in the end of the fight. Since they
said that girl fight that. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I
mean technically that's how I felt. I mean, because I
still I would joke with the RAF talked to a
big John. I hey, man, he said, I went out
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before the before the belt, But then why didn't even
stop him before the bell?
Speaker 4 (32:32):
Tr to stop until after the belt.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
But but you talked about Frank Trigg and matt Hews
the same thing, like Hughes didn't tap and and the
last second Frank Austin's grip and you just put your
finger in there.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
And it is great in life, like you can never
ever ever quit, never give up, like you're.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Never knowing that one little second is going to present
itself for you to have a comeback.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
And that's life.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
Also, Yeah, you never give up, keep moving, Yeah, I
always put me on the playing field, man, give me
a shot.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
And want people understand this. I'm not saying Chuck didn't
tell us to never tap. If we're gonna get a
limb broken, yeah, you go tap.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
He was just saying, you have a nice tream.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
Yeah, I think it's hey, yeah, live live the fight
another day, you know. I mean, you pull that out,
your elbow, your knee. But you know, if you go
out and you can get out of it, you know,
keep fighting. But if you're gonna blow your name and
that's how you're out for maybe good.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
What's the best lesson you've learned from a loss?
Speaker 3 (33:28):
I think from that the first random fight. If I,
if I can't train with you always gonna fight with
a little injuries here and there. But if I can't
train the way I need to before the fight, before
the fight, then maybe I shouldn't fight, you know, because
I just learned that if I can't need the stuff
to prepare and you can protect, you can get better
and need to have some injury. If I, if I'm
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not able to do it at least you know, to
get ready or for the fight, you know, then don't
do it.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Tell everybody here you've given a lot of again, trained
all these football players.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
Do you remember just paying football players who are listening
to this some of the stuff you've talked to them,
just about the mental part of this and then imposing
your will.
Speaker 4 (34:09):
Oh yeah, I mean it just you gotta play.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
I mean that we're we're talking about people getting guys
face is pushing them and going. You know, when you're
you're fighting, fighting or playing the game playing in football,
you're trying to make them do what you want to do.
And you got to keep pushing and make it make
it uncomfortable for them to keep keep playing against you,
going against you.
Speaker 4 (34:29):
I'm trying to make something uncomfortable.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
And I'm always trying to set someone up, you know.
Speaker 4 (34:35):
I'm always to do something one by one by one way.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
Then I make it look like I'm gonna do it
that way, and I.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
Do it a different way, you know. And it's it's.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
Always and it's it's always a mental game. And if
you can stay in it for the whole game football,
and say, if you say it for the whole game,
wear them down. You don't wear this guy down if
you shut I mean, you know, wear him down mentally.
If you stay in the game and you stay in
his face. What's your motivation for being out there and
beating this guy?
Speaker 4 (35:03):
You know? And sometimes for some people to win the game.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
Sometimes hey man, it's about getting paid better, getting getting
getting a better get more playing time or whatever it is.
It's just you just got to figure out, if I know,
for coaches, you get way to motivate your player.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
You get your guy, what's his motivation for.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
You?
Speaker 4 (35:23):
Guys have a motivation of fighting. I mean I love fighting.
I went for free.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
So guys doing for the money, somebody's doing for the fame,
some and some and some guys to mix the ricks
of everything in between.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
So all right, last question I after for you give
me your unbreakable moment. I ask every guest this the
moment that should have broken you but didn't. And you
can't do the other side of that tunnel stronger forever.
Speaker 4 (35:47):
You know.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
I I think about that a lot, and I just
always say that one of my things is not sometimes
saying it's an all the time thing.
Speaker 4 (35:55):
You don't get a turn on and off when you
want to.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
You know, it's not yould just say Okay, I'm gonna
be tough today while I'm not. I mean, it's a habit,
you know, it's a sudden we do all the time.
That's other story, because I'd always said that I really
never tested it out. But for me, it says I
was never like losing someone. That was never an option
that you know. But I was actually raising my son
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and he was I think it was sixteen at a time.
But all of a sudden, I was racing them up
uh Mountain in Hawaii, and Uh I started running and
running on me, and I started raising chasing after him.
I was spread whispering up to sail and I'm thinking
I was thinking to myself like maybe I should let
him win.
Speaker 4 (36:36):
But in my head, I go, wait a minute.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
Did I just that crossed my mind because I was tired,
Because normally that like for me, I would never the
way I started to explain the way like I I
that never even came to my mind.
Speaker 4 (36:48):
I didn't never have to make that decision.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
At my am, I tired and shod I let him
when I'm tired, well, because I was trying to be
nice to my son, I was just oh man, man,
I was I actually let that came to my mind
because I was tired and I'm like you know what, no, no,
I may know I'm gonna beat them, so I beat
them and you know, but but the thing for me
(37:11):
is like for my metal state with that was like
I got I'd gotten the point at this point I'd
retired and I wasn't and I'd stopped making those decisions
every day, like where I didn't have to go work out.
You know, I don't feel working up today. I don't
feel like doing that today. I'm not gonna do that.
So all of a sudden, now now those those other
options started popping in my head when I'm when I'm running,
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you know, I'm tired with those options didn't used to
come into my head.
Speaker 4 (37:37):
Are you gonna stop because you're trying to know I'm
gonna go win?
Speaker 3 (37:40):
The thing is is this little things making it making
good decisions all the time, and I just not those
those choices stop popping up.
Speaker 4 (37:49):
Oh man, I make those excuses.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
Stop popping up, those reasons not to because they didn't
even know that.
Speaker 4 (37:55):
That's what it is. So the big thing for me
that and that was kind of the but what I
need to change that stuff in.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
My get back to being mentally tough because decision we
make every day.
Speaker 4 (38:06):
It's a decision to make every day because and that's
what ill look you make.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
You don't gonna make that decision here in practice, you
don't get a oh, I'm just gonna.
Speaker 4 (38:17):
You start. You start making those in practice, you're.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
Gonna make it when it counts, when you really need
to dig down, you need that in a fight, it's
gonna it's gonna be there. It's not gonna be there
for you because you're not. But you know, no, no,
that's not saying I see one of these things. I
always trying to curb it because I want people understand.
That doesn't mean like I can go well, I'm taking
exac I don't have to. I'm not like I was
when I was a kid, where I just hang out
(38:41):
something too long, get hurt.
Speaker 4 (38:43):
You know.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
Sometimes sometimes training there's certain that you do a little easier.
You're just rolling, and you're doing that.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
You can also have a bad day. That doesn't mean
you're not bad.
Speaker 4 (38:53):
That doesn't mean you're not tough.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
But I know why I made that decision, Like I
I'm not gonna fight for this right now because it's
not worth getting hurt. I'm trying for something else. I
know why I made that decision? No one else in
the room.
Speaker 4 (39:04):
Well, but I do, and you do you know why
you made that decision? Right?
Speaker 3 (39:09):
If I decide you now, if I made a decision
because I'm protecting my body because I got I don't
know where.
Speaker 4 (39:13):
Fine, But if I'm doing this because I'm tired, that's
not okay, And that's what And then you got.
Speaker 3 (39:18):
To kinda figure out why you're you know, then you're
working on why you're mentally doing things.
Speaker 4 (39:23):
Why am I doing this? Am I doing it? I
do it?
Speaker 3 (39:26):
I trying to do this because I'm tired. Now I'm
just protecting my body. It's all right, I'm gonna try.
Speaker 4 (39:30):
To do this. I'm doing that right now. I don't
have to. I don't have to push that right now.
What I'm just being safe?
Speaker 2 (39:37):
Or were you actually light everyweight champ of the world,
my brother. I appreciate you joining me. Dude. It's somewhere
when you and I do ship together like workwise, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (39:44):
It's just awkward, Yeah, a little awkward.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
It's weird.
Speaker 4 (39:48):
I'm not making it funny enough, no doubt.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
Yeah, I'm actually like pumping you up, trying to be
nice and all that it's just focus.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
It's odd for us to do this. Love you, brother,
appreciate you.
Speaker 4 (39:59):
I'm there's
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
Now here's Jay Glacier.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Welcome into Unbreakable mental Wealth podcast with Jay Glazer and
Jay Glazer. And when I do this podcast pretty cool
because I get people from all walks of life. But
else you get to have my best friends on and
sometimes your best friends they punch you in the face.
This is one of my best friends and he punches
me in the face. You know him as the Ice Band,
the one and only Chuck Liddell.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
How are you, brother, I'm doing great, man, man. Yeah,
I love bunching that faith.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Yes, you really do. You absolutely do, especially so I
know Chuck and I.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Are gonna get a lot of things that you guys
don't know about Chuck that I do so ione to
make sure we all know it. But Chuck also likes
to make sure that he starts off every conversation by
fucking with me and tell telling people the stories uh
that try to.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Embarrass me the most. He said, the altitu you're training,
So okay, no, I'll I'll take it.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
I'll take it.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
I'll take it. I'll take it from here. I'll take
him here. So one of the first times, not one
of the first times. Chuck and I go to train
one time.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
I go to Cabo for a week with Stray and
and we're like, on a yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
I'm gonna drinking bench, no doubt.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
And I go right from there to San Luis Obispo
to train with him and glover to Shaa and I'm,
you know, halfway through training and you have me do
this conditioning drill and I say to Chuck, go ahead.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Then what's the ouse is do up here? Man? I'm
really but it's really getting to me. I think we're
below sea level. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
So, yes, I was gassed beyond gas, but I think
I was also still drunk. But Chuck will never let
me live that down. Absolutely never. Yeah, No, that I
wanna sitting Duck hey.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
And the other one is we go to the Maxim
party at the two thousand and seven Super Bowl and
back then, you know, everybody wore like a flicking shirts
and ship.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
He got paid to, right, so that's we did. But
I wore this like shirt. It's a great wall of
China and it was bedazzled.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
It would be right, I said to Chuck. And I said, hey, Chuck,
these girls just like got me this shirt. What do
you think?
Speaker 4 (02:13):
Hey, do you know better than it? Asked me?
Speaker 3 (02:16):
See, should I wear this shirt? Of course you shared
that shirt is awesome.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
It was the worst shirt in the history of life.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Not only did I wear this dazzled shirt, we wore
it on the red carpet for a maximum show and
I'm just getting illed by everybody, and I.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Turned the chuck on my trouve. He told me the
shirt was great. Yeah, as the super balls said, you trouble,
the shirt was great. And you remember what you said?
Speaker 4 (02:42):
Oh, I don't remember exactly what I said.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
You said, I didn't think you'd really wear it.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
I thought you were kidding. It was worth it. It was awesome.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
We got one of the coolest moments of our life
on that same red carpet.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Where the guy who plays mcglove and couldn't get into
the party because everybody knew he was too young.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Find the movie super Bad. You and I got mclovin
in the party. That was a highlight for me.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
That was a good times.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
So again, I have known a cat since two thousand
and three. We've trained together, we have laughed a lot together.
We've cried a lot together. We've been there as brothers,
as training partners, faring partners, mental health brothers.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
By far, we've been through a lot together, and he's
also coached. We've coached together.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
We've coached a lot of football players together in our
MMA athletics program.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
We've created way back in the day, so a lot
of things we can hit.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
So I think people, you know, see the ice band
and you know, obviously he's a legend of this sport,
but in the early.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Days, people don't know, Like I want, I want people to.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Go back and look at this fight Chuck fought in
a bare knockle fight in the jungles of Brazil, a
guy named Jose Peleylandis with netting on the bottom of
the ring that you were allowed to use as a weapon.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
And how much was that? How much were you getting?
It was?
Speaker 4 (04:01):
It was thousand the show in three thousand more to win.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
How was it okay? So what point in your career
did you say this is what I'm gonna do.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
I don't know, I really I was actually at the
end of my kickboxing career. I was just kind of
at the point where I was like, you know, maybe
it's not mon be in a real job. And Nick
one kick actually asked. It came up to me and
he said, hey, and man, Alphie U says, you're pretty,
You're a good wrestler.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
You want to do a mixed fight?
Speaker 3 (04:29):
When did a mixed fight Atans Hotel in Vegas? Actually
it was a It was on a kickboxing card that
I was doing a It was like a pancer style fight.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
Kick down.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
That means open, open bomb. You can't closet, but everything
but everything else. In mixed martial arts, it's an m
M A fight but with open strikes.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
Yeah, open hand shots.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
So uh and the rules kept changing as we had
up to it, but you know, I was there in
ways I what we decided.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
You're not gonna get it with your bombs.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
You just slapped their fingers and then goes to the ground,
no striking. They kept changing, but it didn't matter. I
wound up kicking the guy ahead, knocking them out. Bait man,
you want to fight in the UFC, Yeah, that'd be cool.
So I went and fought in uh UC seventeen a
couple of months later for one thousand dollars to show
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and a chance to get into the tournament. I was
an alternate to the tournament, which I think the winning
winner got twenty grand I think it was Wow. I
was and I fell over the sport and just you know,
and just started started fighting. I kept fighting instead of
getting a real job.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
So wait, so so the so the fighting Brazil was
after you're already in the UFC.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
After before Yeah, if I went after that.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Oh okay, right, well then it was I want to
go back.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
I said, guys sent me a two fight deal. I'm like, hey, man,
I got It's almost that whole my deal though, what
am I doing? Like, I got you fight fight in Brazil?
And originally when I signed up for it was a
tournament and the eight man tournament and then uh they
decided me a white one fifty five pound class and
did sho super fights. Actually Vane was on that car.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
And what avan? Who's the vandally self fight on that card?
Speaker 3 (06:02):
You remember? Oh man, I can't. I can't remember his name.
He's a wrestler, all right, So go into this for
people again. I want people to go YouTube district or
google it. You're going in this, dude, Like, when do
they tell you, hey, you could use this netting?
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Because that's what eventually you win the.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Fight because you kind of wrapped his head around netting
and just start punching in face.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
I just push.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
They just said you can't grab the ropes, and you can't.
That was really the rules where you couldn't bite. You've
been an eye gouts and you really couldn't grab the ropes.
We know how to put oil on before the fight's
either allegedly legal headbuts of legal stomps for legal. I
actually had think I stopped at the end of the fight.
I had him stuffed underneath because the net went from
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the bottom rope to the to the edge, so like
planted down right, So I have through in that and
I'm hitting him through his head, stuck him the net.
I'm hitting him in the net through the net. He's
like stuck there and I look over and no one's stopping.
I'm looking around on whatever he goes finish this fight.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
So for all your fights, that's the one that I
marveled at the most, because again it's for grand it's
no rules. You could growing strike head but anything you want,
and it's bare knuckle right, and it was one is
it twenty five minute round.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
Right, one thirty minute round.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Thirty minute round. My bad, sorry, one thirty minute round.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
And then the guys in the tournament.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
I watched a guy, the guy that won the tournament,
the hate Man tournament that almost hit. He won to
thirty minute fights and going to win in the final,
winning after winning two thirty minute fights by the guy
that finished this guy really going twice. And then in
the same night fighting he won the same night, same night, Right,
he won ninety minutes of fighting.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
In the same night, because oh my god, who was
do you know who that?
Speaker 2 (07:47):
You remember who that was?
Speaker 4 (07:48):
Get to get kids say it, but it was stuff.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Wow, ninety minutes and one night.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
So I wanted back to your first UFC fight because couple,
there's a couple of things on this. You were you
were cutting weight on the way to like in the airport, right.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Oh yeah, it's funny shoe show. He's a long time
cutting wakes.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
They showed.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
I landed actually there afterway and started it was whatever
I started on the layover. How bad do you feel
for the guys sitting the guys sit next to me.
I think I brought my plasters I put him on.
Uh So during the way over, I started getting getting
my start kind of broke my sweat and then that's
just left us the fun got onto my plane and
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sat there.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
So you were in a soldad suit on the plane
trying to cut waight.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Cut wait all the way on the way to on
the way the way out there. So that's pretty funny.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
How long is the layover it? How much?
Speaker 4 (08:44):
Wait?
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Do you think you cut there?
Speaker 3 (08:46):
I wasn't cutting too bad, but I was still I mean,
I was in great shape back then. I was kind
of coming, but I was still cutting from twenty to ten,
down and down one night nine, way down one nine.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
Yeah, that was. That was back when I was still
one night and nine.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Oh really yeah?
Speaker 4 (09:03):
That light light anywhere originally light everyway was one night
and nine.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
I remember that. I don't remember that at all.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Okay, yeah, that was really I think that was before
that they had they didn't have light.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
They didn't have light. Way had that one seventy one,
one night nine and hevylight I.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Fight one eighty, which doesn't exist at all, right, it
was back then. There's no one eighty anywhere, probably should be.
But there were also something else. You were like super
disappointed about that fight. They got your name spelled bro.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Oh yeah, oh no, walking out to it. Oh yeah,
so I thought her all the time. First fight, I'm
walking out to the ring, Nick spun right everywhere else.
I look up, I look up at the screen at
the thing.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
I'm like, really, well, grandma rollover in the grave. Like
they spell my name wrong? How did spell it? It
was l I D E L Okay.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
I think they got it wrong in the the VCR
box too, right, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
I don't remember that on the box.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Yeah, that you were bitching me about that.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
Yes, yeah, I was on the box, like my picture
my name. I wasn't a video on the VHS okay. Well,
but but it came out of the ages because that
was the first fight of the night on paper view.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
How's a different training for a thirty minute fight, thirty
minute round as.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Opposed to five minut rounds.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
You know what, when we're doing the thirty minute rounds
we do we did. We would do three minute cargo
with the guy and then my brother Dan. It was
a big dude, no no about three point thirty heat
coming in after a minute in between the rounds and
just pushed me around.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Well, so you did thirty minutes straight with him?
Speaker 3 (10:36):
So yeah, you didn't, Yeah, just to strike getting It
was interesting getting ready for that, but it was It
was long and I had a good time.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
How do you prepare yourself when growing strikes are allowed?
Speaker 4 (10:48):
You don't really have to prepare for that one thing,
I kind of.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
I think when you're going start starting leg it was
quite strikes are legal.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
I think for the most part most even don't along much.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
But I mean, I think when you were protecting or
I think that it's a guy that you should protected,
are growing, It's like, uh, I mean if you're not
protecting the problem is normally when you keep going, you're like,
wait a minute, you're not supposed to do that, guy,
but stop, So you're not really protecting it like you
would normally.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Right, so then you know, obviously life starts going on
here give me the moment you realize life changed.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
So let me back up. Chuck and I went to
a party one time.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Uh in O three, I think Marcus Allen Warren Moorman
throwing a party. I took you there and people were like,
what's up with your friend with the mohawk and the
Chinese letters tattooed?
Speaker 2 (11:38):
And said, I'm like.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
That.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
And the next year we went back to the same party.
They're like, holy shit, you know Chuck with l I'm like,
so do you guys? You guys were talking about his
mohawk last year. When when did you realize life? Like,
give me that the story the moment like, oh my god,
life has changed.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
I was it was after we had it just started airing,
and we it was after all the fighters just started airing.
I actually was a great beginning of five. And I
was walking through a mall as a friend and someone
wants walked up sweat so, you know, an old lady
walking by it, you know, six year old lady.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
Hey, So like.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Hey, Hi, you know wait waiting eye I got how
do you know before that I can walk in the
room and go, okay, that guy probably knows who I am.
That guy and I got the tap bite shirt definitely
knows who I am. It was it maybe the guy
with a dad's shirt over there.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Fuck you. But now grandma, there's no who you are?
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Like oh hey, And then like walking out, hey, it
got pretty good and then they just kept me exploded
from there.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
And you know it's interesting too because people always ask
for like the difference of being around football and the
fight world, and I said, being around football obviously is
nothing like it. That is no, that's America's pastime. There's
no bigger, there's nothing more powerful than the NFL. But
being around fighting, we're around the start. To imagine if
you're around when the NFL started, that's really what it was.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
We're around the start.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Wasn't the start of a sport technically because it's been around,
but really around the start of the explosion of a sports.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Imagine when the NFL. Guys, when this thing first started,
I first got big. That's what it's like.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
And that for me was just it was incredible and
you know, the evolution for you also to see where
now suddenly you're not just.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Some you know, club fighter.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Now you're you're you're a headliner and you're doing you know,
major shows.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
Life changed, right for sure.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
I've gotten so many crazy things now for from being
a Fator've been on you know, on the Sampson's and
Hanks Garage, Uh live out and see I Workaholics was fun.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
Are crazy shows.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
But the other thing also is as you start to
get famed, I kind of want you done it. It's
a little bit the sharks kind of come out also
like where no one really you give a shit talking
to you.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
And now all of a sudden people realize, oh man,
they start hearing about.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Your salary, they start seeing the fame, and sharks start
coming out trying to get your money. Also, I know
I try to help you with that, but how how
much I mean talk about that, just you.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Know, trying to deal with now all sudden people coming
out of nowhere.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
You know, and it's it's hard to remember, like you try,
you treat people like your life, you know, you know
you never have people after you for that. You know
they never have it. Just couldn't want to be right
because of the money are fame, and it's a little
it's a little strange, you know, like having oh you know,
you start feeling like sometimes like hey, well okay, what
are you going?
Speaker 4 (14:38):
Why you being like that to me? Before you be
like oh okay to school?
Speaker 3 (14:42):
You know, but you got any and you and you
learn along the way you have to care for you know,
you gotta make careful what people's intentions are. Get it
gets so I try to try not My biggest thing
is I try not to let other people change me.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
I try to get down trying to try to still
be the same guy I was.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
I talked to you about this back then because I
where it helped me was being friend a stray hand
since day one.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
And people don't remember he really plays first few years.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
And then all of a sudden, year five boom, and
Michael and I went to the same restaurants every single night.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
We're broke as shit. I was broke a shit. We
went to the same places, and.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Then all of a sudden, year five, he gets fifteen
sacks and signs I think it was a four year,
twelve million dollar deal or fourteen million dollar deal or
something like that, And all of a sudden, all the
same people that saw us every night at dinner suddenly
started walking up, offering them this business deal and that
business deal, and record labels and jeans company, and hey,
I can get you to be the next napster and
(15:36):
Facebook and this before face, I mean in MySpace, poor
Facebook was around, and I got to be the no guy.
You know, I was broke, so it didn't matter if
I was an asshole and or if I fucking put
my hands on somebody who's in none to do.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Mike couldn't do it.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
But it was a great lesson and I remember doing
the same thing for like you and Randy when that
came about just telling these stories man, these just use
your your name image. Life is basically right, and don't
don't invest money because then you can't lose it.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Just get them to send you some mal.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
Money for sure, you know.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Just yeah, trying to keep keep it said, let it,
let it go, just keep be be more mindful of
who what's going on, and try to keep moving forward.
You know, it's said, I don't want to let people
change me. That experience is changing that make it, you know,
that makes you full away or not meet new people.
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I'm a people first time I being around people, So
give me, give me.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
The best lessons from fighting that equate to life. And
then if it's a different, talk.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
To kids that we're talking people about about fighting. But
what what makes you great? What makes people? Do? I
watch a lot of shows on stuff what makes people great?
So I mean you really just I mean it comes
down to practice. Can ask me day and what what
made you really good?
Speaker 4 (16:55):
Practice? I go out and I work, I learned, I
tried to learn more.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
I always we'll always try to learn and learn new things,
new drills, trying to have John was great at he'd
had things in for certain fights. He tried, let's let's
add add one thing here, your repertoire or whatever it's
let's put this in your tool box. Let's just pull
that out, you know, and when I use that for
this fight, will exists.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
Stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
I mean a lot of it come down to, you know,
is putting the effort in that to put end the
time in to learn things. And then for if you're
looking for something and you can find something you love doing,
because I mean I look at people that, uh, you
know that are really great at what they do that
you know, they they enjoy it, you know, they just
they just do it, you know, they that.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
They practice is more like I just I got more
time to go do this here do that. There.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
I was watching the Ever interviewed this kid and the
piano player, you know, he's eighty years old. Like the
interviewer asked him, so, how many hours of the day
do you play to get this good?
Speaker 4 (17:53):
Yeah? How many hours day do you play? It looked up,
I'm like, what do you mean? I don't know.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
I just played and that stuff got me because I
thought about it back, I'm like, you know what, that's
kind of funny.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
I was the guy. Mars Arts is my thing I loved.
I loved doing how to fight, and I love one
of the things about march Arts. I liked that I
figured out.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Early on, if I work hard and learn more than
the other guys and get better at it to the
other guy, I can I can beat that guy. I
can get better than that. I can move past seven.
And that was a big thing for it, and that was
something I've loved doing. So I used to rush home
from football practices to make it to karate, and I
rush home for wrestling practice to make it to karate.
(18:33):
You know, I do my homework during school so I
could go to karate sooner.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
You know, it's just.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
Putting in work. You know, you have to do the
work you want to get good. I mean, there's some
really talented people out there that never make it even
in football. I mean I remember some of the most
talented guys I knew from high school football never made
it even you know, they got to go to college
and just kind of you know, they continue into college.
Speaker 4 (18:56):
Everybody there. You know, you original want college. Everybody there talent, right.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
You've been obviously kind of meant. A lot of fighters
over the years also give it like the.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
When you get brought into camp, the best advice you
give those guys guys are already fought.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
What's something you're able to elevate them with.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
Trying to add something to their game. Whatever.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
Okay, I see something in about the fighters so that
we're this can make this move to make you a
little better. Or there's a little little extra thing that
I do here that give you, gives you a little advantage,
you know in this situation to work. You know, like, hey,
look if you I don't care if you if you're
laying the rest and you know you can just didn't
(19:34):
any more energy to put your head head and get
a good head position. And then now you're a fifty
to fifty position, I said, and looking like you're losing
while you're taking the rest. You know, little things like
that are using the best advice i'd give the guys
that are already fighting.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
But also be prepared. You'll never forgive yourself for going
I signed.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
I know, if you go out there and you've done
all your work, you've got ready for the you gotta
they relax and have fun. Then you can go out
there and relax, have fun, have a good time. That's
the way for me. I worked as hard as I
could get to get up to a fight. You, I
worked as hard as I could getting ready, and when
the training camps over, Hey, you know you don't have
(20:16):
any time to do anything else, So relax, enjoy the
enjoy your week of uh you know, whatever you're doing,
whatever you do during the week we pre fight, and
then go out there and enjoy the fight.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
Man, do what you're plan.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
You got your game ban and go out there and
see if you can follow and if you got make adjustments,
make fine night.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
I've been with you to finite a billion times, but
your rest world hasn't so and everyone's different.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Like Dan Henderson and Brandon can throw those fuckers to
falling asleep. You're listening to Country of music and singing
and he's a horrible singer. I don't know I ever
asked you this. What goes through your head? They are
during their hurry up and way.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
To the warm up?
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Are you nervous? Do you have nerves? Are you excited
or you're happy?
Speaker 4 (20:55):
What? What's your I'm really I'm really excited to get
out there. And do it.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
I'm ready to do I mean, I you know, in
my head, I mean, he's gonna go perfect.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
And and then I get out there and.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
I'm just focused, I mean, and to me, I actually
takes a little bit of time to enjoy walking out
or as soon as you walking out of the crowds.
And crowds are great and definitely so loud coming out
and a lot of fun, you know, but when I walk,
as soon as I walk in the cage, it's it's
all business. And and fighters are different people. Some guys
have to be motivated to be fired up. And I
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was kind of like a.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
More like a I don't know, I just want to
relax more.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
I'm relaxed, and I'm I'm ready, and I'm you know,
I if I if I heard someone, I'm I'm gonna
go finish them anyway. I'm I'm almost like a serial killer,
you know, just I just I just go in and
try to I'm trying. I'm trying to hurt you. I'm
really out there trying to hurt you, hurt you very bad.
And as soon as it's over, I hope you all
right give.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Me the best walk out. You're a member of like
just something like oh, man, like and take us, take
us behind.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Your riped you want to feel like you know honestly
that the first second nobody was he walking out, walking out,
and it was that huge d Frank Trigg that night.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
That was the one where he picked him up the
carry cross.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Ye where he was almost lost in true.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Right, yeah, and then they big then he picked him
up with Cara. That's with my good friends. So I
was going freaking out in the back, going crazy, and
while I was supposed to be warming up to the fight,
right and uh when Toss and Sam he picked him up,
carried over to his corner and then walking out after that,
(22:32):
and there's this guy in front of me, right, we're
walking out, and this guy's been in my locker round
the whole time, right and sitting there. And I thought
it was like a new thing that the UNFC was doing,
like they want some kind of man.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
Was in the locker room. Yeah, and this guy would
have made it.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
I don't know who you are, but you would have
made it to the ring if you hadn't stood in
front of me.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
You were standing standing right in front of me, and
I'm like.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
With the camera with the cameras are on.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
The camera, Dre on camera. You got to get that
guy out.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
When your guy out him in front of you, I
look at him like, I don't know where Skyty he
was with you?
Speaker 4 (23:11):
What? Really, I didn't know.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
The random fan gets in front of you to do
the walkout?
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Yeah, I was like, I don't know this guy. You guys,
from what I heard it, the guy didn't even have
a chicken. I don't know I got Really, he made
his way all the way in the back and in
the dressing room somehow.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
Oh my god.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
This is before all the social media. Really, so it
wasn't like it wasn't like he was trying to do
something sneaky day and get it on the town.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
And I probably probably was probably just doing any probably.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
Didn't even have a bunch of I send. The guy
doesn't have pictures?
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Oh my god? The way how far did he get?
Speaker 3 (23:51):
We were they were ready to, like the other guy
walked out, And when they were ready to walked out,
you were and I'm standing in front of me and
the camera. Guys like, hey, get your guy out from
the front. We're about to start. They're about to start
my music.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Oh my god. That is hilarious. So you're in the whole,
you're in the holding area, and he's there about to go.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
I'm standing out there in the holding arm bouncing, getting
ready to get If he walked, if he just walked
behind me, he would have walked away and he would
he probably would have made it to the rank.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
He probably would have huged you right before you went it.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
Yeah, yeah, right back in the day. I mean, that was.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
When one of my one of my my other Dan,
Dan was there and I my dad how shown getting
the rank. My other brother got in the rank somehow,
and he was like after my fight, and he like
he was the nosebleeds. Really yeah, he had see it.
How did you get all the way to the rank?
Speaker 4 (24:45):
But somehow he got in the ring.
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Give me the most exhilarating moment you ever had after
a whip? Who wasn't you know?
Speaker 3 (24:53):
But again that that that was mean, that was probably
the biggest one because you know, I was so just
pointed after losing the first one.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
It wasn't so much losing.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
The Brandy so Randy was such a great fighter, but
but you know, let Tito off the hook, so fight me.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
So I was so bummed. But what I thought.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
And finally, you know, I knocked out Randy, you know,
the guy who beat me first thing, I knocked it out.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
He beat me before. We just I just wore an
altimate fighter, you know.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
And you know, I finally got the title I've been
after forever, and it was it was pretty awesome, you know.
So that was probably the most excited I was. And
I got to do it in the first round, knockout
the way I like to do it, right, it was.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
But did it feel better to beat Randy than Tito
or Chiez?
Speaker 4 (25:39):
That was more fun? But I knew that was gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
I was just kind of proven what I would already
told everybody I was gonna do, right, But I don't
know if that I don't know if it felt any better.
I mean it was, I think it felt more to
you know, Randy beat me. He was it was more
of a competition, right And.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
By the way, you learned something that Randy fro you
and I teach player it's a lot and you know,
Chuck and I trained hundreds hundreds of football players together
and pro athletes together, but were show it like, hey,
you in the cage on the field, you don't show it.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
You don't show you're hurt, you don't show you're tired.
We don't take a stool. We right.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
And when that first fight, yeah, tony, funny story. I
always tell the story, guys, and I did you know?
That was something I used to tell people all the time,
all my guys too. And then you know, during that fight,
I screwed up in the big fight stuff. And you know,
I was protecting my knee during training, and that was
one hundred percent healthy going in.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
But I hadn't been doing any grow.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Wrestling because that's trying to peck my knee. And I thought,
and I was coking, that'd be fine. I don't worry
about it. Getting the wrestling to conditioning is a lot
different than striking conditioning. I was like, I could run good,
I could strike good, and start as soon as I
started wrestling, I got really tired. But you know one
of the things that that at the end of I
think it was in the third round or something, and Randy,
(26:53):
and Randy was really tired. He got done that, they
said in this corner, and they looked over that they
saw me on.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
Your seat.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
Over there, dying in my corner, and and then and
I think I don't know it was Hemison and one
of them.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
Hey look look at Chuck. Look out right now, see
you got him pushing me done, you know?
Speaker 3 (27:15):
And I still I still think I was intelligently defending
hiself when they stopped it, but I should And and
somehow someone told me the head on.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
A couple of the cards, which would have been ridiculous.
There shouldn't have been.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
I heard I was a head on the cards at
the time when they stopped it. I think I think
they should give me a little more time to try
to win that fight. But I don't think it would
have changed anything.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
So and but that's that's the point too, Like saw
you your body language shuck hit, sucked it up and
and and you know that, and get pushing the way
I normally wouldn't normally should I would have it would
have it could have had a different thing, right, And
then that's for everybody. We teach touch every football player,
don't put your hands on hip. By the way, now,
(27:58):
Truck and I are trying to tell peop will completely different. Man,
talk about your ship, open up to people, talk to
you for if you're hurting, if you're going through stuff,
talk to you.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Truck and I have cried in the cage to live.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
And by the way, that's a separate thing, right, you
gotta play separate you know, life and doing it and
fighting are two different things playing the sport, playing the game.
But you're you're trying to trick together. It's it's a
it's a leans do an as you go.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
You got to show the guy.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
You don't want to give the guy any any chake
of week weekness, anything for for the for that fight,
so you can finish that fight, finish that game and
it's over. And so if you let those weaknesses, you
know you have that stuff and you try to try that.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
With that can't go in definitely for everybody.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
You can't go with life.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
And that's that's the thing though, Like we teach it
so much in sports, and like like I said, Chuck
and I, we'll train and then we'll send under the bags.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Chuck and I will literally be crying each other about
deep stuff that's going in our lives.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
And you know, it's a complete opposite of what we
just taught and coach each other five minutes before.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Don't show it, don't ever show don't ever show it,
And guys that they.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Get trouble thinking, well, we have to take that same
mindset in a life. You need the complete opposite mindset
in life. It's okay to show it in life. It's
okay to show that you're tired, so kay, to show
that something's sort so kay, to show your life is
wearing you down to get some help.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
It's one of those things. I mean, I don't like playing.
I don't like to get you know, there's no reason
I don't play it a lot. I don't look him up.
But you know, you gotta work through takes. And I
don't believe you ever give up. You know, there's not
keeping you know, keep moving, keep keep moving forward, keep pushing.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
You know. That's that's what what people do. Short people do.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
But yeah, and that's what makes us strong. Dude Truck
Truck is one of the most vulnerable dudes in road, folks.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
He's not like I mean, but you have to work
through stuff. That that's part of being strong, you know,
being able to you know, work through things and get
get better, you know, just just beating yourself up and.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Doesn't you know it doesn't help.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
But the same way you asked, you've been great asking
for help trainer in a cage.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
You also do your great turn of around. Sid Hey, man,
I need help. I need to talk to you. I
need to come see you, I need to meet with you.
You've been great with that and I'm proud.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
Of for that. Well, yeah, that's that's what friends before
you know you've been as we have in there for you, whatever, whatever,
whatever people need.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
I want to get back to the fighting part.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Give me the moment your life in your in your
fight career, where you were, like I guess the most
adversity you had to overcome in a win.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
I told my m c L like a week and
a half before a fight, I mean I fight the
second Sito fight, and honestly, if you kick inside kick
the inside light kick on my left I think my
left light. But if you kicked it, if you kick
the director like just above, behold my knee, I mean
my knee froze with a froze for like thirty seconds.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
We're like, oh, I'm runge.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
The thirty seconds made adjustments to what I was. Okay,
I'm not kicking it. You know I'm not gonna do
the second or that shoot the first fight. Oh yeah,
that was my left for that because my first fighter,
why trainer might get hurt my knee, but by righting
it was hurt I to and I heard my hand sale.
Speaker 4 (31:02):
But that was about three weeks for the fight.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
And so if you watch to go back and watch
my at the end of the first round, I through
a headcake. At the end of the round, I walked
back to the corner. Okay, don't limp, don't limp. Talk
to myself, don't limp, don't limp. No more kicks today,
we're gonna be punching out second round.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
Not it's about thirty seconds later.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
But but well, but you gotta fight to look chuck us.
Those tells too. And I've talked this to everybody. Do
not tap to a choke.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
Do not.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
It doesn't hurt, you may be embarrassed. Who gives a fuck?
Take here, you go out. Don't tell you to a shoke.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
I always say, you know, and it's if it's a choke,
if I can think to tap like and thing to
try to get out of it.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
And some of those jokes turn in net cranks.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
So sometimes hey, guys, you know, but for me, if
it's if it's just if it's if it's a if
it's a choke, I'm I'm trying. I'm still trying to
get out of it until it's too late.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Well, but that's the thing though, But you did you
had who were fighting?
Speaker 1 (32:02):
Was it?
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Horn just had you? And then he asted his grip.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
I saw that.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
I saw that that other fight that I that they
they said she wasn't out of it, and and my
was there in the end of the fight. Since they
said that girl fight that. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I
mean technically that's how I felt. I mean, because I
still I would joke with the RAF talked to a
big John. I hey, man, he said, I went out
(32:28):
before the before the belt, But then why didn't even
stop him before the bell?
Speaker 4 (32:32):
Tr to stop until after the belt.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
But but you talked about Frank Trigg and matt Hews
the same thing, like Hughes didn't tap and and the
last second Frank Austin's grip and you just put your
finger in there.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
And it is great in life, like you can never
ever ever quit, never give up, like you're.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Never knowing that one little second is going to present
itself for you to have a comeback.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
And that's life.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
Also, Yeah, you never give up, keep moving, Yeah, I
always put me on the playing field, man, give me
a shot.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
And want people understand this. I'm not saying Chuck didn't
tell us to never tap. If we're gonna get a
limb broken, yeah, you go tap.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
He was just saying, you have a nice tream.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
Yeah, I think it's hey, yeah, live live the fight
another day, you know. I mean, you pull that out,
your elbow, your knee. But you know, if you go
out and you can get out of it, you know,
keep fighting. But if you're gonna blow your name and
that's how you're out for maybe good.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
What's the best lesson you've learned from a loss?
Speaker 3 (33:28):
I think from that the first random fight. If I,
if I can't train with you always gonna fight with
a little injuries here and there. But if I can't
train the way I need to before the fight, before
the fight, then maybe I shouldn't fight, you know, because
I just learned that if I can't need the stuff
to prepare and you can protect, you can get better
and need to have some injury. If I, if I'm
(33:49):
not able to do it at least you know, to
get ready or for the fight, you know, then don't
do it.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Tell everybody here you've given a lot of again, trained
all these football players.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
Do you remember just paying football players who are listening
to this some of the stuff you've talked to them,
just about the mental part of this and then imposing
your will.
Speaker 4 (34:09):
Oh yeah, I mean it just you gotta play.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
I mean that we're we're talking about people getting guys
face is pushing them and going. You know, when you're
you're fighting, fighting or playing the game playing in football,
you're trying to make them do what you want to do.
And you got to keep pushing and make it make
it uncomfortable for them to keep keep playing against you,
going against you.
Speaker 4 (34:29):
I'm trying to make something uncomfortable.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
And I'm always trying to set someone up, you know.
Speaker 4 (34:35):
I'm always to do something one by one by one way.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
Then I make it look like I'm gonna do it
that way, and I.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
Do it a different way, you know. And it's it's.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
Always and it's it's always a mental game. And if
you can stay in it for the whole game football,
and say, if you say it for the whole game,
wear them down. You don't wear this guy down if
you shut I mean, you know, wear him down mentally.
If you stay in the game and you stay in
his face. What's your motivation for being out there and
beating this guy?
Speaker 4 (35:03):
You know? And sometimes for some people to win the game.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
Sometimes hey man, it's about getting paid better, getting getting
getting a better get more playing time or whatever it is.
It's just you just got to figure out, if I know,
for coaches, you get way to motivate your player.
Speaker 4 (35:19):
You get your guy, what's his motivation for.
Speaker 3 (35:22):
You?
Speaker 4 (35:23):
Guys have a motivation of fighting. I mean I love fighting.
I went for free.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
So guys doing for the money, somebody's doing for the fame,
some and some and some guys to mix the ricks
of everything in between.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
So all right, last question I after for you give
me your unbreakable moment. I ask every guest this the
moment that should have broken you but didn't. And you
can't do the other side of that tunnel stronger forever.
Speaker 4 (35:47):
You know.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
I I think about that a lot, and I just
always say that one of my things is not sometimes
saying it's an all the time thing.
Speaker 4 (35:55):
You don't get a turn on and off when you
want to.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
You know, it's not yould just say Okay, I'm gonna
be tough today while I'm not. I mean, it's a habit,
you know, it's a sudden we do all the time.
That's other story, because I'd always said that I really
never tested it out. But for me, it says I
was never like losing someone. That was never an option
that you know. But I was actually raising my son
(36:20):
and he was I think it was sixteen at a time.
But all of a sudden, I was racing them up
uh Mountain in Hawaii, and Uh I started running and
running on me, and I started raising chasing after him.
I was spread whispering up to sail and I'm thinking
I was thinking to myself like maybe I should let
him win.
Speaker 4 (36:36):
But in my head, I go, wait a minute.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
Did I just that crossed my mind because I was tired,
Because normally that like for me, I would never the
way I started to explain the way like I I
that never even came to my mind.
Speaker 4 (36:48):
I didn't never have to make that decision.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
At my am, I tired and shod I let him
when I'm tired, well, because I was trying to be
nice to my son, I was just oh man, man,
I was I actually let that came to my mind
because I was tired and I'm like you know what, no, no,
I may know I'm gonna beat them, so I beat
them and you know, but but the thing for me
(37:11):
is like for my metal state with that was like
I got I'd gotten the point at this point I'd
retired and I wasn't and I'd stopped making those decisions
every day, like where I didn't have to go work out.
You know, I don't feel working up today. I don't
feel like doing that today. I'm not gonna do that.
So all of a sudden, now now those those other
options started popping in my head when I'm when I'm running,
(37:32):
you know, I'm tired with those options didn't used to
come into my head.
Speaker 4 (37:37):
Are you gonna stop because you're trying to know I'm
gonna go win?
Speaker 3 (37:40):
The thing is is this little things making it making
good decisions all the time, and I just not those
those choices stop popping up.
Speaker 4 (37:49):
Oh man, I make those excuses.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
Stop popping up, those reasons not to because they didn't
even know that.
Speaker 4 (37:55):
That's what it is. So the big thing for me
that and that was kind of the but what I
need to change that stuff in.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
My get back to being mentally tough because decision we
make every day.
Speaker 4 (38:06):
It's a decision to make every day because and that's
what ill look you make.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
You don't gonna make that decision here in practice, you
don't get a oh, I'm just gonna.
Speaker 4 (38:17):
You start. You start making those in practice, you're.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
Gonna make it when it counts, when you really need
to dig down, you need that in a fight, it's
gonna it's gonna be there. It's not gonna be there
for you because you're not. But you know, no, no,
that's not saying I see one of these things. I
always trying to curb it because I want people understand.
That doesn't mean like I can go well, I'm taking
exac I don't have to. I'm not like I was
when I was a kid, where I just hang out
(38:41):
something too long, get hurt.
Speaker 4 (38:43):
You know.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
Sometimes sometimes training there's certain that you do a little easier.
You're just rolling, and you're doing that.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
You can also have a bad day. That doesn't mean
you're not bad.
Speaker 4 (38:53):
That doesn't mean you're not tough.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
But I know why I made that decision, Like I
I'm not gonna fight for this right now because it's
not worth getting hurt. I'm trying for something else. I
know why I made that decision? No one else in
the room.
Speaker 4 (39:04):
Well, but I do, and you do you know why
you made that decision? Right?
Speaker 3 (39:09):
If I decide you now, if I made a decision
because I'm protecting my body because I got I don't
know where.
Speaker 4 (39:13):
Fine, But if I'm doing this because I'm tired, that's
not okay, And that's what And then you got.
Speaker 3 (39:18):
To kinda figure out why you're you know, then you're
working on why you're mentally doing things.
Speaker 4 (39:23):
Why am I doing this? Am I doing it? I
do it?
Speaker 3 (39:26):
I trying to do this because I'm tired. Now I'm
just protecting my body. It's all right, I'm gonna try.
Speaker 4 (39:30):
To do this. I'm doing that right now. I don't
have to. I don't have to push that right now.
What I'm just being safe?
Speaker 2 (39:37):
Or were you actually light everyweight champ of the world,
my brother. I appreciate you joining me. Dude. It's somewhere
when you and I do ship together like workwise, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (39:44):
It's just awkward, Yeah, a little awkward.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
It's weird.
Speaker 4 (39:48):
I'm not making it funny enough, no doubt.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
Yeah, I'm actually like pumping you up, trying to be
nice and all that it's just focus.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
It's odd for us to do this. Love you, brother,
appreciate you.
Speaker 4 (39:59):
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