The Fellas with Anthony Gargano & Jason Fitz talk College Football 25, NFL Coaches on the Hot Seat Heading into the Season & More!

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(00:49):
College football twenty five has dropped and I can't stop
playing it. Good morning, FITZI No, I haven't played it yet.

Speaker 3 (00:57):
I've downloaded it, but I haven't played it yet. So
I feel like I'm I have the ultimate case of
fat kid fomo right now. Like is you know, usually
the the inter fat kidding me is the first get
the video game and play it before everybody else does.
Now like, man, I haven't played it yet. All my
friends have played it. I'm getting like I got a
buddy that's trying to get me to throw cash on
the line to start playing against him. I'm like, can

(01:18):
I at least try the game once? What did you
think of it?

Speaker 2 (01:22):
It's ridiculous. It's so good, It's it's awesome. Now, it's
it's a lot, right, Like you're gonna have to get
it's a lot to get used to. It's but it's
not it's not overly. Uh you know. Sometimes you'll see
you'll have a game and it's like, wow, man, it's

(01:43):
gonna take me a while to get used to it.
It's not going to do that. But it's just so nuanced.
It's it's like you're just a freshman on campus. You're
coming out, you're in you're at you know, Michigan or
Ohio State or Penn State or LSU, and you're walking

(02:03):
you're a freshman and you're going, oh my god, where
do I start? There's so much out here? And that's
what it feels like.

Speaker 3 (02:10):
See, that's why they need a old guy haven't played
in a minute mode? Like instead of just giving me
like the usual choices, give me a choice of Welcome
back to video gaming for a lot of people, because
like it has been a minute, and I look, I'm
happy if this game takes a second to adjust to
because I think, you know, frankly, video game makers in
general have gotten so lazy that Madden is basically the

(02:33):
same thing every year, just paying for a glorified roster update.
So give me something that feels different, that takes a
minute to figure out. There should be a lot of
nuance to it. But also, I'm gonna be real with you,
my friend, I kind of like to do things that
I'm really good at out of the gates. So like
the adjustment period there's gonna be kind of frustrating.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
It's gonna be frustrating. Yeah, I I it was like,
you know, I'm playing now, I got a bunch of kids,
younger kids that I work with, and like they're kicking
my ass, like my son's kicking my ass, like and
I'm getting It's it's frustrating because all I want to do.
I have a million things to do, and you know,

(03:10):
I haven't played enough, and you know, it's it's hard
because like you know, you just want to be on
it and you want to master it overnight. You just
want to be competitive. If it's like golf, right, like
It's why I hate golf, right, Like I want to
be just competitive, not good, but I want to be
competitive like among my group. I'm not even saying I

(03:33):
want to be good among you know, online, among every
among the stars, right, I just want to be competitive
among my among my group in my own little bubble.

Speaker 3 (03:43):
Well, especially because like in my world, I have been
and usually am, very good at Madden. I always have been.
So it's going to be super frustrating to play a
football video game that I am not good at. That's
going to take a second of adjustment. So you know,
I don't know how I feel about that. I I
kind of do I put it on easy mode and
just go out and kick the snot out of everybody,
Like do I do? I go out that way and

(04:04):
then while I while I develop it. But also that's
not going to make me better, So it's probably better
in the beginning to just get my butt kicked and
get through a season that way and then see where
it goes.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
Yeah, I highly suggest that. Now. I will tell you
it is. I mean, the realism, it's it's amazing. I mean,
it feels so real like you are. It's it's virtual
as you can get like you feel like you're just
on all these campuses we did. The first one I

(04:36):
played was uh we did a Penn State Nebraska and
it was it felt like you know, with the lion
coming out and the opening up the gates, it was
just so so amazing. I mean it was incredible, like
you just feel like you're on the field.

Speaker 3 (04:55):
Well, and so this becomes one of my inner conflicts,
right because I don't have a favorite college football team.
Everybody listening should know that, like I love covering it
because they don't really care. But the closest thing I
would have to have favorite is UNLV. Being from Vegas
as a kid, UNLV is not going to be a
particular dominant. So my thought is to play as U
and LV and see if I can bring UNLV to

(05:15):
absolute college football dominance, which would be awesome. But if
we're being honest, for a second allegiance not exactly the
college football atmosphere that you're clamoring to play the game for,
you know what I mean. So I almost feel conflicted.
I almost feel like I should just pick a terrible
team that's at least in the like, maybe I go
with Vandy, so at least I'm getting my butt kicked
in the SEC for a minute, and in experiencing nice stadiums,

(05:37):
because I don't know how I feel about building up
to the point that I can actually get Michigan to
schedule me and I don't have to worry about that
if I take a better team.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
You know, yeah that you highly suggest that, all right,
highly suggest that. Good morning, FIGI did you see the
game yet?

Speaker 3 (05:55):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (05:56):
Trust me, I've seen the trailers, I've seen the game play.
I have yet to play it, and I'm not sure
exactly when that occasion will happen. But I certainly I
am aware of the excitement and the fervor surrounding the game,
and I've seen the game play. It does look amazing,
and it does harken back to the days of way
back NCAA Football twenty twelve or twenty eleven, whatever the
last version was, which I was a big fan of

(06:17):
and played at nauseum. It certainly looks like it looks
like a lot of fun. But also to your point,
FITZI a little bit challenging as well, and I've been
so rusty. Even when I do pick up the sticks,
it is probably not going to be pretty.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
Yeah, it's you're not. I mean I can tell you
you're you know, it's it's going to be ugly.

Speaker 4 (06:37):
But this is someone who hasn't really played video games
much in the last decade anyway, regardless of the genre.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
So yeah, I mean disadvantaged I have because of my
little guy. We do a lot of baseball, lot of
hot A Love the Show, a lot of hockey, a
lot of NBA two K. So like I'll place, you know,
with him. So it's not like I haven't played at all.
It's uh, but it's it's it's so cool, man. I

(07:07):
just to just to make it completely uh, just for
the most base thing to say, it's it's the coolest
thing in the world. You like a Notre Dame and
and all those things. It's just it's also like all
the traditions. That's why it's everything we love about college football,
and I think that's why the game is the best.

(07:28):
And that's why I have to tell you it's it's
better than Madden. As much as we love, you know,
the NFL and the NFL's King and everything else, it's
this game is better than mad I think.

Speaker 3 (07:43):
Also there's a little bit of absence makes the heart
grow fonder, And there's also an element of time. You know,
one thing that I was I was talking to someboddies
about last night. You think about the years they have
spent developing just this moment right as opposed to Madden
where your rinter to repeat. I am genuinely curious to
see how the innovation carries forward in two or three years.

(08:05):
Are we just bored with the game that is the
same every year? You know, there's this moment of how
much will we clamor for Madden if we went a
decade without it and people spent that time working on
every little detail, Do you think about how much has
gone into it? You know, Like I don't think the
guys have the time to rebuild a video game in
a year constantly and make it just fresh and new.

(08:25):
But that's all they've been doing for this one for years.
So it's part of why I think it just resonates different.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
Yeah, I don't know why they don't do I mean,
I guess I do know why money, But it would
be great to see them just put a roster update
for Madden and then just go every every other year
with a big download update, because that two years gives

(08:51):
you enough time to kind of make it different.

Speaker 3 (08:57):
Yeah, I would totally support that, but they would never
want to give up the money. You know, they want
to churn and burn everything that they're doing. But it
would make more sense, you know, because you even think
about the little details of having different announcing crews, things
like that, like how much time does it take? Because
I'm Madden, everything every single game at some level feels
the same, from the announcers to the crowd noise, to

(09:18):
the experience. Every game sort of feels the same. So
now you're creating college football game where you really want
to give the sense of, oh, this is a lesser game,
this is a bigger game. We want to make sure
all of these things feel different. That nuance requires a
whole team to dive into every ounce of what a
Saturday feels like. And I just don't feel like Madden

(09:39):
can or has taken the time to do that.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
Well, it's fascinating because I was talking to Kate Scott
who she was telling me that they do three hours
a day these recording sessions. They're so in depth it's incredible,
Like how in depth these were courting sessions are for

(10:02):
this game. Reech Davis is awsome, like he does a
great job, and it feels like a game. It feels
it's pretty main you know, where the early bad days
where you had bad and grump like grunting, right like,
this feels like a whole game.

Speaker 3 (10:21):
Well, and I think you had to do that with
the amount of time that was off, Like you really
had to come in with something, because if you blow this,
the whole franchise is never going to recover. So this
had to be so epic that could set up a
generation of fans, and just by the amount of interest,
like when's the last time a sports video game came out?
And it was a topic on everybody's social media on

(10:43):
all of the sports talk channels, like when that doesn't happen,
that's not a normal thing. So they had to nail
it with the amount of tension that was being paid.
I'm glad they did. I wonder you know, you talk
about rees being great, which is not surprising to anybody.
The one thing I would say is like, well, next year,
are they just going to reuse a lot of that
work or is he going to re record to truly

(11:04):
make it? You know what I mean? So yeah, that's
where I think at some point we wake up and
it's I think we need to appreciate this moment because
I'm not sure that there's any way they can match
this hype.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
Tough they're replicated. I no, I agree. I think you're
I think you're spot on. It's it's pretty cool like
when you play I don't know when you're playing on
get on.

Speaker 3 (11:26):
Oh this this afternoon, baby.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
Yeah, see that's perfect. It's it's a perfect day Saturday.
You know, you get it go when you're on cork
it and and you're gonna look forward to it. It's
it's just all the nuance of it is amazing to me.
It's astounding. I mean I I went from now again,
you know, I'm old, right, I went from you know,

(11:53):
the Atari football right where they were like these walking
blocks like they where they were they were the blob
they were like blobs on a screen. I remember this game,
Oh my god. It was like an ancient game. It
was a football game and it was three dots and

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it was a handheld game.

Speaker 3 (12:17):
Oh god, I remember that. Like you would have to
get the dots to move up and down and they
made these yes.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
Yes, yes, and and if they you know, if one
dot ran in the whistle would blow.

Speaker 3 (12:29):
I remember playing that as a kid in the backseat
of the car.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
Yet me, same here, buddy, same here, same here. And
I was thinking about that as we as we started
to play this game, and I'm going, like, it's it's amazing.
Technology is amazing. The the the just the arc of

(12:53):
going from dots to like blobs on a screen to
this just you know, stark realism.

Speaker 3 (13:04):
I can only wonder what the future holds on all
of that too, you know, because you think about where
it's gone, and just when you say, well I can't
get any better than this, they always find a way.
So it is it is interesting to me to see
at what point are we, you know, using kind of
like the ocular stuff and you know, wearing some sort
of goggles and interactively involved in every aspect of a game.

(13:25):
It's just and it changes. The great thing about video
games is their gateway drug for these sports to making
even bigger fans because you start to invest in certain things,
certain players, certain programs. That's just real. Like I've had
so many of my friends say I didn't love hockey
until I started playing the NHL game, or I didn't
love soccer till I started playing FIFA. Like, the more

(13:48):
you get into it, the more it sort of creates
this generational bond. I just that's part of why I
think as much as college football has been great for
the creation of this video game, I still believe that
the video game is great for the future of college
football totally.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
Now you're spot on, you know what the you know
what the thing is. It's why fantasy is good for
it too. Yep. You get to know the players. You
said it of the bond right to really truly become
a fan, you have to know the players. You have
to know who they are. You have to understand who's

(14:26):
good who's not good. You got to understand that that
piece of it, because that's the connective tissue.

Speaker 3 (14:34):
Yeah, and that's sort of only gonna make people fall
more in love. Like in these college football games, even
in the current landscape that we're in, the environment where
players change all the time, this is still gonna make
you fall in love more with the stadium and the experience,
the coach and all of the things that are more
likely to be around at some level of permanence, you know. So, yeah,

(14:55):
you're out there creating your own players at some point
you're recruit all over the country, but really it becomes
even a bigger bond between you and your school. Like
the battle to get the best recruit to come in
become something that you actually feel differently because you're battling
it on the video game. Like I believe all of
that is very real.

Speaker 2 (15:14):
Yeah, yeah, now, and you're right, it'll it'll, it'll, it'll
really build this whole kind of bond and fandom and
and and that's kind of where college football the pride
of of college football, like in that connecting whether you
went to that school or you're a fan of the
program or whatever it is, the region, it's just gonna

(15:38):
it's it's it's going to heighten your fandom. It just does.
It's it's pretty cool that way. I love it. I
gotta tell you, I I uh absolutely a buddy of mine.
I was playing with Maryland. He went to Maryland. And
it was funny, right because I was like, like, you

(16:01):
know he was I was like, dude, you gotta do
some work. Then he was shirking his responsibilities and he
was all about the terps. But like, it's it's it was.
I was watching it for a while, like it's like
watching a game. It's no different than like watching a game.

(16:21):
It's it's crazy.

Speaker 3 (16:24):
We're gonna live in that society soon where I know
esports has been doing this for a long time, but
we're gonna live in a society soon where two of
your buddies are playing and instead of doing it online,
it'll be a house party and everybody just goes to
watch and cheer while it happens.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
I know, well, you know the video the pro video
game leagues, and you know that's a big deal, that phenomenon.

Speaker 4 (16:46):
I don't know if I'll ever get with, to be
honest with you, to watch other people play video games
that that's next level for me.

Speaker 3 (16:54):
But you watch other people play games, well, I mean
you watch football.

Speaker 4 (16:57):
Oh, come on, fits, Now that's different. Come on watching
some of the greatest athletes and look, I know these
people train. It's a billion dollar industry. I'm no disrespect
to professional gamers. I understand it. You practice, there's skills,
there's all that. It's it is different. It's it's it's
totally different. Look, I'm not begrudging anybody that chooses to

(17:19):
do that. I don't want to sit there and watch
somebody else play video games.

Speaker 5 (17:23):
That's kind of that's where the line is drawn on
the sand for me.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
Yeah, I I I listen. I feel you like. It's
a little different if you're with your buddies and they're
playing the college football right like, and it's a party,
right beer watch the game. It's different. But I feel
you like, I like, there's like these at one point
they they built like a little mini stadium, not a stadium.

Speaker 4 (17:50):
But there are theaters dedicated to nothing but esports. We
have a couple of them out in LA.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
Well, that's what I was talking about. Absolutely one called
Nerd Street on a uh in Philadelphia. And I mean,
I'm like, I kind of I'm would I would figure
on that one fitsy like, I can't. I wouldn't go
and pay, you know, and forget about paying for a ticket.
I wouldn't go and and watch anybody play.

Speaker 4 (18:17):
I pay you to watch somebody play video strangers, right,
because somebody pay you to do it.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
That's struggle.

Speaker 3 (18:24):
I'm just saying. We pay to go watch sporting events,
and we pay to go watch concerts where people are
sitting around doing something like I think you know it's
it's a point normal.

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this little debate here. Can you watch other people play

(20:42):
video games? So, FITZI you believe you you think it's viable?

Speaker 3 (20:50):
Yeah, I think. I think the esports world is gonna
blow up in the next generation and people are gonna
spend money to sit there, just like I mean, just
like people spend money to sit there and watch somebody
play the guitar, and just like people sit there and
watch money to spend money to watch athletes play or
you know, just like frankly, although they don't spend money
for it. We are a society now that you put

(21:11):
a bunch of Desperate housewives in any city and people
will fluck to it to watch it. Yeah, Like, I
think people are going to watch kids play video games
at the highest possible level in the next generation. Like
I think shows like this in ten or fifteen years
are going to be breaking down who's the best at
different video games.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
So, well, it's here's let's talk sports games for a second, right,
because I don't know much about the other world. I
just know the sports games. And the issue is, I'm
not going to have time to care about other people
playing college football when I got college football, right, like,

(21:53):
like I got real college, I'm going to watch this
sport and so you know, and now I it's like
my free time, I'm gonna want to play. And when
am I going to fit that into How does the
virtual world overtake the real thing?

Speaker 3 (22:11):
Well, I'll say a couple of things on that one.
I mean, I think a lot of times they'll be
off season, Like the best time to play Madden sometimes
is when you miss football. So I could see it
being a counterbalance in the season. But then the other
part of it is like I don't know that in
ten or fifteen years that kids won't watch even both
at the same time or make the time to watch.

(22:33):
I mean, look at Twitch, like Twitch is an app
based solely on people or a site based solely on people, Yeah,
watching video games, you know, and the numbers on Twitch
are pretty ridiculous. So you know, there are millions of kids,
and you know, it's very sure they're going to be
challenges with it. But I'll always go back to when
we first launched sports Center on Snapchat at ESPN. People

(22:56):
were stunned to think that at the time, not now,
but at the time, over three million kids a day
were literally watching Sports Center in a way that they
could get it in under two minutes and on Snapchat.

Speaker 8 (23:08):
You know.

Speaker 3 (23:08):
So like I think the next generation growing, I'm not
sure that they'll care as much about the actual games
on the field as they do the games being played
on a console.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
Well, it's interesting, so you think it overtakes the game itself,
like that people will want to watch more of the
video game than the actual real football. Now I get
I have you know, again, my kids are the same way,
and you know, they they they were early YouTube to

(23:41):
all those gamers, you know, I mean, and I'll never
forget like when my Anthony started watching there was a
game like this is going to show my age. I'm
trying to remember the game that they that he was
and he would watch these these people play the game
and I'm just like, what's like, dude, what are you watching? Man?

(24:04):
You're right and like and try to figure it out,
and you know, come to realize that whole generation that's
kind of what they're doing. So you see it almost
as in competition. Like I get the off season thing
because not everybody's a fan of you know, of every sport,
So I understand that, but like you actually think it'll

(24:27):
threaten the game itself?

Speaker 3 (24:30):
Yeah, I mean, think about how many people play, you know,
like racing games, NASCAR games, F one games, things like that.
Do they care about the race? I don't know. The
hardest part is you can make the argument, well, Alabama
has to be good for people wanted to want to
play as Alabama on a video game, and I can
I can see some of that. But I also think
that if you're a kid that goes to Alabama and

(24:50):
you can play a college football game and be Alabama.
You're gonna do that. So I honestly don't know. I
don't know how long term right now the game needs
the sport. I don't know in ten years if that's
going to be the case. Like where you can knowing
that as you've seen on the game, you can go
in all of these players are fake after a year
or two, right, so none of them are actually related

(25:12):
to real college football players anywhere. You're recruiting fake high
school players and kids are happy to do that. They're
happy to go out and make up their own rosters
and put themselves in the video game. So I'm not
sure it overtakes it, but I'm I don't think that
necessarily it has to have the game be the best
of the game to the actual game on the field

(25:33):
to be the best of the game for the video
game to thrive.

Speaker 4 (25:35):
That's a great point, But they're also you know, if
you're creating players or you're you know, cycling players in
and out, whether you're drafting them a Maden or whether
you're recruiting them in n C two A, you know
there's still a connection to the program at least generally speaking,
if you if you use Alabama as an example, if
you're a fan of Alabama and these players continue to
cycle through, you still have a connection to that brand,

(25:56):
and that brand is you think would ultimately still draw
you back to the actual school itself in real life.
Like the difference is if it's League of Legends or Fortnite.
These are things that just aren't realistic that you can't
actually do. There's nothing real life to actually connect it to.
You know that that's where the interesting experiment will be here.
We're talking about the potential of the video games surpassing

(26:16):
the actual sport itself. You know, it's easier to quantify
for a game where there's you just can't do it
in real life versus basically the video game Madden, n
C two A, NBA two K are all mimicking something
that you can actually see, go see live, go meet
actual people, and set apart from actual, real fictional video
games where there's nothing, no way to actually simulate it

(26:39):
in real life. So that's where I have difficulty in
believing that at any point in time, the actual video
game from a sports standpoint, will surpass the actual sport itself.

Speaker 3 (26:48):
I think my only counter to that would be I
just googled it to see and I can't find the
number of how many. But there are several colleges across
the country that now offer varsity esports programs and.

Speaker 5 (26:58):
Squad there as scholarships out Yeah they are.

Speaker 3 (27:00):
Like so like, now you're in a situation where.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
I'm sorry to interrupt you, I the only difference is, like,
what we're talking about is like participation, I completely get
and watching to a degree of people. You know, the
next level is I'm gonna watch buy a ticket to
watch people other people play.

Speaker 3 (27:23):
I mean if Michigan, if if Michigan has an esports
football team that is playing Michigan State in an esports
football team, kids will go right now, I believe that,
and I believe they would pay a few bucks to
get in the door. I believe that how far away
are we from that being as real to kids at
Michigan and Michigan State as the actual product on the field. Wow?

Speaker 2 (27:47):
Yeah, yeah, Like I believe that, Like I believe that
kids will go and watch it for fun. You know,
it's like Michigan Michigan State and I don't know, I.

Speaker 5 (27:59):
Mean, I mean, you wouldn't do an anthony.

Speaker 4 (28:01):
But it's if Michigan and Michigan State were playing the
actual football game on Saturday and the esports game was
also on Saturday, you wouldn't do what had to head.
I mean, there's gonna be more people going through the
actual football game than watching the esports game.

Speaker 3 (28:13):
Sure, sure, sure, right, And look, these esports arenas are
a fraction of the size of a football stadium. I
don't think. I'm not saying that you know, sports, actual
physical sports are in danger. I just think that, you know,
to that point, I could absolutely see a world where Michigan,
with this video game, Michigan and Michigan State field their

(28:34):
own team of gamers that are playing against each other,
and the night before the game that the stadium, that
the arena that they play in would be would be
packed with people that are watching it and cheering it
on and over time, like once that seed is planned,
all I'm saying is that once that seat's planning, it's
only going to get bigger and bigger and bigger. The
normalizing of what that means, you know, So that to

(28:57):
me is like this slope is started in a way
that I think that the acceptance for the next generation
is going to be far different than it is for
the generation right now.

Speaker 4 (29:07):
Oh, even the streaming numbers are going to be big
for I mean, even if if you can only fit
I don't know, let's say two thousand people in one
of those stadiums and you can stream unlimited. You mentioned
Twitch earlier, Yeah, I mean, you thin get millions of
people viewing these guys. I certainly recognized the popularity and
recognize that it's booming, especially for a lot of gen
z or So I'm not naive to the fact that
it is a giant, booming business. It's an industry that's

(29:29):
taking off and not going anywhere anytime soon.

Speaker 5 (29:33):
I just find it hard to believe that.

Speaker 4 (29:34):
At any point it'll ever surpass the actual sport on
the fear sporting video games, Legal Legends, and all the others.

Speaker 5 (29:40):
They stand alone on their own.

Speaker 3 (29:42):
But according to a quick Google search here, the one
thing as of June twenty four, twenty twenty four, League
of Legends is the most watched game of all time
on Twitch, with over sixty six point eight six billion
view right, I believe it, Yeah, fifty I mean sixty
six billion in twenty twenty three, the game broke the

(30:02):
billion hour mark with over one point three two billion
hours watched in twenty twenty three. So it's gone from
one point three to billion, or one point three two
billion hours from sixty six point eight billion. People Like,
that's just that's a number that's going to keep growing
and grow.

Speaker 2 (30:17):
Yeah, that's no staggering number.

Speaker 4 (30:19):
And also well, and it's also something that crosses demographics countries.

Speaker 3 (30:24):
You know.

Speaker 4 (30:24):
This isn't like the NFL, which is sort of trying
to grow its footprint internationally and the NBA, which is
bigger internationally now. But like video games like that, which
can be produced in different languages and in different types
and all that is always going to have a wider
reach than a sports video game.

Speaker 3 (30:41):
Very true, that is very like. I just looked at
the According to one side, I looked at the listing
of the most watched video games in the top ten.
None of them are sports games.

Speaker 4 (30:49):
Yeah, doesn't mean that they won't crack in there eventtionally.
I certainly think they could.

Speaker 2 (30:53):
But I'd mean, we have already seen those non sports
video games. I mean, I mean they're just movies. That's
just transporting you into a different world. Correct, right, So
that's interesting. It's just you know, do you connect with
that world, and if you connect with that world, you
know you're you're gonna you're gonna do it. The sports,

(31:14):
I don't know. I could see not in the near future,
but I could see down the line where you know,
basically the video gamers control the robots or whatever you
want to call them, or you know that are people
are coming to a stadium to see you know, AI

(31:35):
generated you know, uh, robots or everyone to call them,
so injuries or whatever.

Speaker 4 (31:42):
So every individual player is actually controlled by somebody sitting
in a chair behind a computer, and there's and the
player on the field is actually some sort of anatomic.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
Yes, all right.

Speaker 3 (31:53):
Interesting, I mean, especially in the way we crave violence
and the way we miss, you know, some of those
Madden like hits that blow everything up, like putting robots
on the field, that that eventually seems like there's some
logic to that too, because you'll, you know, you'll end
up living NFL blitz right in front of your eyes.

Speaker 5 (32:13):
I love it, people, I mean.

Speaker 2 (32:15):
I could see that. I don't like that, right, you know,
I could see that being coming a thing where you know, again,
each player is is safely in a pod, right, and
you know, maybe there's a physical nature to it as
they're in this contained space. But and they and and

(32:36):
you're you know, tackling and making your emotion just like
the Wei games right where you're you know, you're avatars
is mimicking your movement. I could totally see that as
and people watching it like, you know, hey, look it's
we're gonna you know again, who knows what the world
The world's crazy now, right, we've seen the world turn
upside down. Who knows? And you know, two hundred years

(33:00):
where you know, there's a football is abolished and replaced
by this new technology.

Speaker 4 (33:05):
I'm just waiting for a player in his pod to say,
oh my god, my thing got hacked. I didn't even
move walk backwards in there and get a safety.

Speaker 3 (33:11):
It wasn't me.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
I swear, It's just like and then of course then
you find out that he's on the.

Speaker 5 (33:16):
Take saying that was my next thought. It was just
like the gambling aspect of all of it.

Speaker 3 (33:21):
Until the robots get their own.

Speaker 5 (33:23):
I gotta tell you, everybody, oh yeah, well that's coming
two fits.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
Let's not you know, I gotta tell you, I gotta
tell your story because you brought up the gambling thing.
If so out of control right, Like it's just in
your face everywhere, bet on every second, right, which you're like,
first of all, who can do that? Right?

Speaker 5 (33:44):
Like you know, I mean the live betting, like it's.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
Got the means to bet on every at bat Like
it's like it's.

Speaker 4 (33:53):
Crazy downs and down in distance in football it's third
and to one? Will the next play be a run,
a pass, a rep pass option? Like stuff like that
is actual live betting that you can do it.

Speaker 3 (34:04):
I think I hear you say that, and it makes
me think, Like my one life rule is like if
if you would see it in the beginning of a
horror movie and scream, don't do it, then just don't
do it. I think I need a new like betting rule,
which is say it out loud, and if your friend
said it to you, you'd be like, man, you might
have a problem. Then you should really not do it.
Like if you're looking at one of these things, you're like, oh,

(34:25):
I can bet on the next play, what's it gonna be.
If you're sitting in a room and your buddy's doing
that repeatedly, you're gonna look over and be like, man,
you might want chill with that, Like we just don't
need to look in the mirror a little bit. Like
these these sites and these sites are making a ton
of money off of just all of us thinking, oh,
I'm gonna win this bet and this bet, and it's
like guess what, guys, most of us lose.

Speaker 5 (34:43):
Well the next punt go left or right.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
Yeah, it's it's insane. It's it's it's insane. But I
watched the show last night. It was awesome. But I
gotta I gotta draw the parallel to it. It's as
a modern day all right, because you it was about
ancient Rome. Oh so I got to tell you about it. Well,
we'll do that. Also, the first coaches, speaking of betting,

(35:09):
I have odds on the first coaches to be fired,
all right. So we'll in the NFL, So we'll get
into that a little bit. Where the fella is hanging
out right here. Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 6 (35:23):
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Speaker 2 (35:37):
Fellas from the Tairaq dot com studios. Jason fitz Kevin figures.
I'm Anthony Garganell. So Peacock has a new show, and
I love the ancient you know Rome, and I love
those types of shows, those period pieces. So the show

(36:00):
is those about to die and it's ancient Rome and
Anthony Hopkins is the Emperor. And it's an interesting take
because one of the main characters is a book maker

(36:22):
like from back in the day for chariot racing and uh,
you know, the gladiators and the parallels were almoays frightening
like it was. It was. It was pretty wild because
like they showed this whole thing like you know what
it was, and and I read and they got me

(36:44):
reading this whole piece about how that's what society was.
And during the one of the lines in the show
was Rome has decayed, it's becoming. All it's become is
you know, Bread and Circuses, which is all about food,
gluttony and the games and betting on the games. And

(37:08):
there's a sea where they're lacking food. They need grain
and the grain hasn't arrived yet and so they're storming
the Emperor's doors and they put all these games and
people start to go with nuts and you know they're
just batting on these games and drinking wine, and the
parallels of modern day are so stark.

Speaker 3 (37:35):
I love the idea. Like I was at a Hartford
yard Goats minor league baseball game years ago and with
a bunch of buddies, and they got to that spot
in between innings where the little kids lined up and
they were all just like sheep, and they were gonna
they were gonna run their little kids sheep outfits around
the bases to see like who won. And it took
roughly thirty seconds before there was cash just everywhere. We

(37:56):
were all throwing cash at it, and I decided that
was like our most betting degenerate day in history. Now
I've decided if we all did it in Togas and
spoke like we were really smart, we'd be paying homage
to Rome. And now I feel like that could have
been a really cultural thing. This has been part of
our wiring for so long. Though the it's a little
like college football. It's just that now it's out in

(38:18):
the open, like all the everybody says, well, all the
dirty secrets are now out there to be seen. I
think that's what's happening with gambling man like you just
think about how many people for so many years would
walk into a Super Bowl party and it was, oh,
we're just playing squares, and then before you know it's like, well,
put a little on the game. And then now that
it just becomes legalized in so many places, it's too

(38:39):
easy to open up the app and look at it
and say, well, that's kind of fun. Oh I can
bet that Comba that looks kind of neat, and then
before you know it, at the end of the football season,
you're like, how am I down five grand? Like it's
just it's amazing how so often it's you know, we
have Brad come on every week, and there's really smart
best bets out there. I'm not sure right now, most
people gambling are really looking on games, are real looking

(39:00):
for smart best bets. They're just looking to have a
good time in the middle of a game, and they're
throwing a little cash at it and if it hits,
glory be to God. And if it doesn't, well that
was fun. That's a much different mindset, you.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
Know, Yeah, except when it's just on your face and
all in your face and you know you have a
you know, it becomes more than just a little fun.
That's the scary piece of it. And but you know
it was nuts about the show is that they were
doing like basically parlays, like they had this to blue

(39:34):
the blue team was a chariot and that they the
guy puts a bet in the blue team to win,
but he has to take the lead in the second turn.
And I'm blatching this and I'm going, this is freak
American sports. It's nuts, man, It's like and listen, I

(39:59):
agree with it. I think ninety five percent of it
is you know, it's just meant to have real throw
make a pizza bet and have some fun with it
while you're watching the game at all. But it is
always in your face, is the problem? Right? And like
and the owners have double, triple, quadruple down on it,
so that makes it even more like there you know,

(40:20):
the kiosks everywhere and virtual this and bet all that.
As you know, if there's screens everywhere to bet on, like,
it's it's it's pretty crazy.

Speaker 3 (40:31):
Yeah, but you mentioned pizza bit and a lot of
times it's just like eating pizza. If you have a
slice every once in a while, no big deal. If
you're eating a whole pie every single day, eventually you
got problems, and that that's what's happening right now. Nobody
knows how to stop eating the pizza.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
Yeah, well, and it's not it's not their fault because
of the dopamine that gets you know that your body
hits and you become addicted to it. All right, anyway,
lots lots of de fellas hanging Fox Sports Radio.

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about to commence. We're about to have football rookies. Were

(41:48):
eight teams last week began their rookie camps, including the
world champion Chiefs. It was funny. I was talking to
our man, Steve Spagnolo, and I gave him a happy
camp day, buddy, and he's like, yeah, it goes by fast.
Andy's one of those guys that Andy Reid is one

(42:11):
of those guys that starts at the same time every
year no matter what Ay is a believer in and
it look it served them well. But man, those off
seasons go by fast if you're a member of the Chiefs.

Speaker 3 (42:30):
Yeah. But also I think everybody needs to remember one
thing that gets lost in these camps because we always
hear about how much contacts they're gonna be and guys
sitting out and blah blah blah blah blah. Everybody you
talk to will tell you nobody runs a tougher training
camp than Andy Reid. Like he demands so much from
the Chiefs. They do more physical work than a lot
of teams, Like they beat each other up. It's a grind.

(42:52):
They do all of that. So it's funny because we
see the jovial, fat guy running through the wall like
he's the Kool aid man, and we think of Andy
Reid in that sense. But the tone is set from
training camp, like everything that makes the Chiefs who they
are is set from things like the fact that he
is a creature of routine and also the fact that
he likes to use this camp time to make sure

(43:12):
he gets out there and just kicks the snot out
all the guys and gives them a real sense of
what that team's going to be like. I just I
think we spend so much time looking at the loveability
of Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes that we forget that
what makes the Chiefs great isn't just the talent or
the mind, it's the work that they constantly tirelessly put in.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
Yeah, I couldn't agree more and listen, and these camps
have been really changed dramatically over the years because of
they'll do rules right. You know you can't you you know,
every couple of days you need to be off. And
I mean the Players Association has changed camp and what

(43:56):
training camp look like in a dramatic way. I covered
his camp. I would go he used to camp when
he was in with the Eagles. He had camp at
Lehigh University, and I would go for the duration and
I mean this thing was nasty, like you were to
a daze and you're in the valley, right and it

(44:16):
was hot and humid, and they would do to a
day's you know, for whatever it was you know, eight
straight days. Then he might give you off. You might
he might give you an afternoon off of special teams.
But I mean this thing was was nasty and you
got a lot of work done. Like they they did it.

(44:38):
It was you know, usually like six weeks and then
it shrunk. But when he first got to Philadelphia and
he started his head coaching career, he was every bit
of you know, six weeks and it was I mean,
it was a bonding experience, right, because you're in a
dorm and you are just working every day. You're every

(45:01):
day and they the players could not wait for that
thing to be done and drive home. But it was.
It was something he also believes, and I don't want
to get your opinion guys on this. He believes in
going away from the facility. So the facility has everything
you need obviously, right, you know, all your training stuff,

(45:21):
you're anything, right, is they have these hundred million dollars
practice facilities, right, and they have everything self contained. But
and he still believes in going away. And there's about
I think I saw there's nine eight or nine teams
that still go away, and he is a big believer

(45:41):
in that.

Speaker 3 (45:42):
I am a passionate believer in going away, and I
think for me, I'll use a music as always analogy.
But there are two main award shows in country music.
One is the Country Music Awards, the CNAs. One is
the ACMs, the Academy of Country Music Awards. Now this
are in Nashville every year in November, and they're regal, right,

(46:04):
they carry a ton of weight in the industry, and
everybody really respects what it means to be a CMA winner.
So you think of the CMAS as being sort of
the big daddy of the award shows. But the funny
thing is the far better experience, if you ask anybody
that's playing these shows and involved in them, the far
better experience is the ACMs. Why because the ACM's in

(46:24):
the spring in Vegas. And so what happens when you
go to CMA rehearsals is at the end of the day,
like you're around all of your friends that you haven't
seen all year. You're working on this award show to
make sure it's great. You're there for a couple of weeks,
but as soon as you're done with what you need
to do, you go home, and inevitably that means when
you're home you've got your honeydew list, and you've got
all these things that you need to accomplish. It just

(46:46):
doesn't have the same vibe and bond. The beautiful thing
about the ACMs in Vegas is that everybody is out
of town at once, which means you really do have
this opportunity to truly connect. I always felt like, frankly,
even when the band was touring, you know, two hundred
and something days a year, what was incredible is that
we would go to the ACMs. We'd be locked into
Vegas for two weeks while we got ready for that performance.

(47:08):
It was a real true bonding time because we were
all in one place together without distraction.

Speaker 11 (47:14):
You know.

Speaker 3 (47:14):
It just creates a different level of camaraderie and understanding
of each other because you can't just rely on the
comforts a home. You have to actually commit to getting
to know each other. I can only apply that logic
to training camp and say, that's part of why it
makes sense to me to get out and be out
and be with everybody away from everything.

Speaker 5 (47:33):
It's also a big roster of guys.

Speaker 4 (47:34):
Now you're going to camp, ninety guys, you get cut
down to sixty, you know, for the regular season, you know,
being able to be out of your comfort zone, not
be able to go home to your family, having to
bunk with the guys. Ok, guys are in hotels and
I probably stand in the old RinkyDink dorms like they
used to back in the day. But I do think
there's something to team chemistry and team bonding. When you're
the only people you see are your teammates or other

(47:56):
team staffers, you get to cultivate relationships with guys, so
you otherwise wouldn't be able to Like, look, you mentioned
how big these rosters are. There are certain guys. He's like, oh,
this is your teammate. You guys must all be friends.
It was like, nah, I barely talked to him. Like
that happens a lot, but there's a less chance of
that happening. If the only people you are surrounded by
are the same fifty sixty seventy people over a two

(48:18):
and a half three week period, there's a chance for
you to build some familiarity and bond a little bit
more closely with guys. So I don't know if it's
the biggest thing in the world, but I do believe
that there's something to it.

Speaker 3 (48:29):
Didn't we see that, by the way, a little bit
like if you were paying close attention during receiver. There
was one moment where DeVante Adams walked up to a
teammate and was just talking to him about I think
it was about life and kids. They were talking about kids,
and at the end I don't even remember who he
was talking to. Whoever he talked to looked at and
was like, man, thanks for chatting, and Vante's like of course,
but the fact that that happened made me realize that

(48:52):
that's probably not somebody that DeVante goes in and talks
too often, which is so real in these so like
we think of everybody in the locker room just you know,
going to top golf together and hanging out every day,
and that's just not the way it works.

Speaker 4 (49:03):
Now, especially in football. A lot of times it's your
position group first. Then it's the express strapolates out to
other guys on your side of the ball.

Speaker 5 (49:11):
Maybe you have a guy on the other.

Speaker 4 (49:12):
Side of the ball you might be cool with because
you knew each other in college, but beyond that, it's
really not as a buddy buddy and chummy as people
expect that it might be.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
No because you're spending your day with your own position
group or your own unit, so you're not with the
other guys. You really are kind of removed. It's so
interesting when you actually see it right when you're covering
it and you're with it, that you.

Speaker 10 (49:41):
Know how.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
Detached head coaches are, right, you know a lot, especially
if you know, let's go back to Andy for saking,
since we're talking about Andy Reid. You know, when it
comes to the defense, he literally says to Spags, you
your coach the defense. You're the CEO of the defense.

(50:04):
That's you, that's you do. And like he won't think
he might have a meeting here and there, but he
doesn't go over any kind of game plan or anything
like that. And you know, you know, back says his
position coaches and the overall sees and is with his guys.
But you know, and he's not mixing with the defense much.

Speaker 4 (50:25):
That's interesting and then that tells you that they're that
greatness comes in multiple different ways, because if you go
back and talk about Bill Walsh, he had his hands
in everything right, defense, offense, special teams. He sat on
every meeting that he possibly could. If he missed the meeting,
he had people will report back to him like he
knew exactly what every game plan in every single game
for every single position group. I think to a certain degree,
Bill Belichick, especially in the in the heyday of New England,

(50:48):
was seen as as that sort of coach as well,
Whereas you know someone like Andy Ree, like you explained
as more of a delegator. You know, I hired you
to run the defense, you run it. I trust you
and you do your thing. And I don't know if
there's a right or wrong because just a matter of
matter of preference, but both can definitely work.

Speaker 2 (51:03):
Can you do that today? Delegate?

Speaker 5 (51:05):
Or are be in charge of everything?

Speaker 2 (51:07):
Being charge of That's hard to write, That's what I mean.
Like could Bill Walsh? Like? The game is so different man, right?
You know there was we talked about connective tissue the game.
If you think about it, in the eighties and even
into the nineties, the game was connected a little easier, right,

(51:27):
like you, It was more run like your your game
plan matched your tone of who you are as a team.
It was. It wasn't as sophisticated today. It's just so sophisticated.
I don't think you can do it well.

Speaker 3 (51:46):
And people have changed so much like today. If you
go back to twenty five thirty years ago, it was
so different trying to relate to everybody, but then also
trying to make sure everybody was on the same page,
trying to make sure everybody's focused. Society just didn't have
as many wild distractions in your hand with your phone
twenty four to seven. It's just the world is such

(52:07):
a different place. I don't know necessarily right now, no
matter what you're doing for a living, that you can
achieve the best version of greatness that you want to.
If you are incapable of delegating portions of what you
need done to other people, there's just no longer the time,
there's no longer. You've got to be able to identify
people that can help you, and you've got to trust

(52:28):
those people to do their jobs well. And I truly
believe that, like we are more, it takes a village
right now than ever if you truly want to get
to the top. And I don't care if we're talking
about music or if we're talking about you know, somebody
that's a financial advisor that's driving around right now listening,
Like I just believe you have to know when to
let go and who to let go towards if you
really want to achieve your optimum in anything anymore.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
Yeah, I think you're spot off. I think you're spot on.
And I don't even think about this, but it's true.
Like the phone, the level of distractions that you talked about,
it's it's different from like if you go thirty years ago.

(53:14):
I remember I hear in Baldy stories, So Brian Baldinger,
who is one of the best, and Baldy has spins
great yarn and he's and like he'll he'll paint a
picture of a locker room that is close right, that
does cross the threshold of offensive defense. And you know,

(53:35):
like those guys would be on a basketball team in
the off season and you know they're they're having team parties.
It's it's more like work now than it then. I
think back then it was more fraternal and you know,
like those guys like after a game, they'd all sit

(53:57):
around and just you know, pound beers did that now.

Speaker 3 (54:02):
I So I spent yesterday at an amphitheater in Connecticut
with my buddies that Jordan Davis and Mitchell Timpenny, a
couple of country artists. I sat in with Jordan last night,
played a couple of songs, and I sat there. I
sat there last night thinking about exactly what you just
talked about, because in the middle of the day there
was this moment where we'd finished soundcheck and we were

(54:22):
catching up and one of the guys was like, I
got to start my routine.

Speaker 2 (54:25):
And it was.

Speaker 3 (54:26):
Really like his routine was going to the gym and
making sure he got a run in and then like
there's some meetings and then listening to some stuff and
all these things that they do. And you look around
after the show and everybody has this perception that you
just played in front of, you know, ten thousand people
in this small amphitheater, and you're like, oh man, those
guys are raging. And we finished and they literally had

(54:47):
like everybody went to the cooler and got like muscle
milks and a couple of guys, like one guy got
a non alcoholic beer, and it was like that that
was the post show party. And you think about what
touring in music was in the eighties and nineties, and
the gluttony and the oh my god of it, and
you think about what it is for almost everybody I
know now the tours at any sustainable level. It's taking

(55:09):
care of yourself and making sure you're ready to do
your job. And hey, this is how I feed my family.
And uh also I'm going to go FaceTime my wife
and kids in the middle of the day and make
sure that I talk to them. Like these are all
real things, like I just don't and it's a beautiful thing.
It makes it more sustainable, it makes it more real,
like and people are doing a better job than ever.
Like I think it's a beautiful, important thing, but it

(55:29):
is not. Football is the same exact way, like these
guys are committing to their bodies and to their lives.
It's such a different level. We are not in a
world any in a world anymore where you're hopping on
a jet and you're going to London and you're partying
because you know, now you can just do things nobody
will ever find out, like phones are everywhere. It's just
changed the mindset of so much of the what football, sports, entertainment,

(55:53):
what it all was twenty years ago. It's wildly different
today because people, I think take it more seriously.

Speaker 4 (56:00):
I also think that athletes are just more self centered,
for lack of a better term, Now people talk about
a bunch of individual brands as opposed to the collective unit.
You didn't have free agency back then, especially early in
the days when Baldy was starting his career, so you
had collective units that were together for long periods of
time and people weren't worried about their next contract or
their agent or their social media profile. Is it's the

(56:23):
world is different now than it was back then from
that standpoint where you know, it's less about the collective
and more about the individual. And I'm gonna get mine
and if the team can thrive while I'm getting mine, cool,
But I got to put number one first. I think
you get that. That's the general mentality of a lot
of athletes today.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
Totally totally right, And there is it's way more sophisticated,
right like today's way more sophisticated in every way.

Speaker 5 (56:52):
Now, the film, the scouting, the duous.

Speaker 3 (56:55):
Some more like I'll push back a little on the
self centered portion of it. I'll only say that I
think athletes today are better informed about everything than they were, Like,
you have a better understanding of this is how that
because like stuff wasn't communicated the way it is now,
Like twenty years ago, you didn't necessarily understand well, this
is a business to the same level that you do
now because you see it every day from every person.

(57:17):
And like twenty five thirty years ago, if you played
in the league, you didn't have an easy way to
keep int Like if you played for the Raiders, you
probably weren't talking to somebody that played for the Eagles
every day because like there wasn't the connective tissue. Texting
didn't even exist, you know, thirty years Like in You
Go Be Pre two thousand we talk about Bill Walsh's era,
Like if Joe Montana wanted to sit there and have

(57:39):
a friendship with somebody halfway across the country or even
a kinship to know what was going on, you couldn't
do that. I think information and how quickly it travels,
allows for bonds all over the country, allows for better information,
allows for a better informed athlete, allows for somebody that
understands this situation better. It may seem self centered, but
I also think that there's just an element of like, man,

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we have more knowledge at a faster pace than ever before,
So of course people are using that knowledge to make
sure they get the most out of whatever they can
in their own personal life.

Speaker 5 (58:08):
That's true.

Speaker 4 (58:09):
It's hard for me to say I said self centered
in a non pejorative way.

Speaker 5 (58:12):
That that's probably you know.

Speaker 3 (58:13):
The majority of it is a fancy word. Let's go.

Speaker 4 (58:16):
I didn't mean it from a negative standpoint because your
to also fits. But back in the day, you didn't
have you didn't have free agency, The contracts weren't as
big as they were. The TV money wasn't as big
as it was. The piece of the pie for every
individual to get wasn't that big. Now that it is,
I can understand from a certain player standpoint where look.

Speaker 5 (58:34):
I have a chance to get paid. I want to
be able to win. But this is what I'm chasing.

Speaker 4 (58:38):
You know, all of this stuff, how my image, how
my brand is affect what affects how much I make
and affects all of these are things that you have
to think about. So from that standpoint, these are things
that just weren't even on the horizon, wasn't even on
the radar, didn't exist thirty years ago. And now these
are things that you have to think about on a
day and day out basis.

Speaker 2 (58:56):
Yeah, and we're completely more in the visual I mean
from social media, right right, Like social media makes us
that way, like it's all about me, and people will
talk into their phones and they're used to me, me, me,
me me, and that's that. And again, I just think

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that's just society in general.

Speaker 4 (59:19):
Yeah, you compare yourself to other people, even if it's
if you're not you could be the most selfless person ever.
But if you scroll and see this person's thriving, that
person's thriving then and by the way, most of them
are not. But that's a different story for a different
you know, situation. It's like, well, where's mine? How come
I'm not there? How come they are?

Speaker 2 (59:34):
You know? So it's it works.

Speaker 4 (59:36):
It really has that effect on your mental a lot
of times when you're when you're scrolling through and you
see situations like that as well.

Speaker 5 (59:42):
So it effects it affects everybody.

Speaker 2 (59:44):
Yeah, it was way simpler back then, right, And it
was way smaller, right, There wasn't billions of dollars in time.
Sports was big for people like us, kids like us,
but it wasn't the way like we're our whole our
whole GENI generation is obsessed, right, like our I mean,
the whole world's obsessed. Like I think it started with

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like kind of fifty like kind of where we were
we were kids, and figure right there behind us, not
far behind us, but it was sports was so big
and it followed to to today. Like think about it
when I was when I was growing up, most girls

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did not like football, like I remember, like, you know, yeah,
you're cheerleaders, but they weren't like into the game. Now
women love the game like they're into the game.

Speaker 4 (01:00:39):
Oh they can run circles around some guys when it
comes to talking about football, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
Like they're just into the game. Like society has become
way more you know, sports heavy across the board, like
like I don't know, I'm sure you guys had kids
in your class that they weren't sports kids, like they
you know, that's who they weren't. They didn't like sports.
Now there's way few like there's more, there's fewer of

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kids that don't like sports. Would you agree?

Speaker 3 (01:01:12):
No, yeah, no, I agree with that. I think it's
it's transcendent for sure. It's it's it hits more people.
HiT's different.

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:01:19):
And again I think it's just because there's so many
other ways to get in contact and get like you
don't have to work as hard to be a sports
fan as you did twenty years ago, thirty years ago.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
Yeah, I just think of society, it's become a thing. Yeah,
it's because like he was interesting that. I I had
a friend of mine who was in con for the
film festival, and he was telling me that all the
streamers want a sports It's all they want. They want

(01:01:50):
any kind of sports they can get their hands on.

Speaker 3 (01:01:53):
Hm.

Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
They all these streamers, they're all they they all want
sports because the numbers that sports does is it's unbelievable.

Speaker 4 (01:02:02):
It's the only thing on television that still thrives. That's
why the NBA can signed a seventy six billion dollar
contract is part of that. But you know, but I
mean a big because live live sports is the only
thing that still thrives. Ratings are tanking left and right nationwide,
but because people love We talked about reality shows. I
think you mentioned Real Housewives or whatever earlier in the

(01:02:23):
show There fits now.

Speaker 5 (01:02:24):
That is quote unquote reality.

Speaker 4 (01:02:26):
But the only true reality show that you have is
professional and even college sports, I guess to a certain
degree because you really literally don't know what's going to happen,
and that's the only thing that continues to thrive in
what is really a dying market, which is media, you know,
traditional media.

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
Yeah, yeah, you show the WNBAH package.

Speaker 4 (01:02:45):
Yeah, two point two billion dollars, which, by the way,
I love how the player association you said that's not enough.

Speaker 5 (01:02:50):
I don't like you guys have been losing money for
thirty years.

Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
You have the album, man, like you know, jeez, how
about it? Thank you?

Speaker 5 (01:03:00):
Brce.

Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
Hey, you know this is great. You know we've we
finally made it right, Like it took us this law,
but we finally reached this like it should. You should
be celebrated. It should be more celebratory. Right.

Speaker 4 (01:03:11):
And by the way, there's there's an opt out in
the clause after year or two that they can renegotiate
if they if they feel that the value of the
w NBA has gone up. So Sali here locked into
this eleven year deal. That's some undermarket value.

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
I know, no, I no, I feel you, all right?
The coaches who are on the hot seat, who are
the coaches that will get fired? Will I have the odds? Well,
kind of a good excuse to talk about the coaches
who will be scrutinized the most this coming season, where
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Speaker 2 (01:04:35):
So you just heard our own Jason Fitz with Jordan Davis.
That's incredible, just absolutely amazing, man, great stuff, buddy.

Speaker 3 (01:04:47):
Oh, thanks to Jordan and the band guys for letting
go back. Like I don't think people know sometimes how
disruptive it is when it's like, hey, I'm gonna come
in and say, you know, play on a couple songs
and next thing you know was the ACM Song of
the Year this year, and his guitar player thankfully and
kindly gave up the solo so I could have it,
and I went out and did Tucson too late. Next thing,
you know with what Jordan had a blast. It was

(01:05:07):
great and good to hang out with the guys. Fun
to like I've sat in here and there with buddies,
but it's usually like little casino shows or whatever. It
was nice to be in a shed and you know,
stand up in an amphitheater and that crowd was Rocket
and Bridgeport, Connecticut last night, so it was it was
a It was a blast of a time. It's worth
being a little groggy this morning on the fellas, you know,
when you when you get to get out and uh

(01:05:28):
and flex the muscle a little bits. Like I'd say
it's like riding a bike, but I have no idea
how to ride a bike, but that's what they say,
it's like riding a bike.

Speaker 4 (01:05:34):
Great song by the way, and music video. Next thing
you know, by the way, it's one of my wife's favorites.

Speaker 3 (01:05:38):
Oh that's awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
Yeah, how do you uh, how much work does it
is for you to go in and play a song
like that, like you know, to get to kind of
carve out your niche that you could play along with,
Like how much how much rehearse? I haven't.

Speaker 3 (01:05:58):
I haven't picked up a violin and months, And they
sent me a text a couple of days before and said,
here's the two songs. I know them because I've listened
to them before. So yesterday morning, at about seven o'clock,
I pulled up the recording of it and I played
it a couple of times. I was like, all right,
think I got it. And then I went to sound
check and we ran it for We ran each song

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twice and we're like, all right, I think we got it.
Then we played the show like I'm like.

Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
Why it's so interesting for someone that like I have
no concept of it, Like it's I don't know the
warrior world. It's so interesting that you actually all right,
like and you do it so matter of factly. Yeah.
So at seven o'clock I I played a couple of
times and it was like, all right, I got it. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:06:40):
That the ability to listen to a song like.

Speaker 4 (01:06:43):
That, I can very very very very in an elementary level,
read a little bit of sheet music and it will
take me forever. Get a couple of notes out, and
it's been and it's been decades since I've even take
me forever. But to actually hear something and say, yeah,
I can play that and just know exactly what note
it is, that's that's that's pretty special.

Speaker 3 (01:07:01):
Honest to god, sheet music doesn't exist in Nashville. Ninety
nine percent of the time you get you get a
Like when I got the Van Perry audition, I got
a CD the night before with seventeen songs on it,
and it was like, all right, here's the songs, like
we're gonna we're gonna play a show tomorrow and let's
see how it goes. Wow, And that was that's You
have seventeen songs. Not a sheet of paper was involved.
You just listen to it. There's ways that people chart

(01:07:23):
stuff out. But like if you asked me to play
the piano or you know, the guitar or mandolin, doughbro
other instruments that I play, I would want time to
get ready. But like I've been playing the violin since
I was four, A practiced eight hours a day by
the time I was eight. Like, the violin is truly
an extension of my life. So I honestly think that
I could. I could as long as I've picked it
up in the last six months. If you handed me

(01:07:45):
a fiddle today and said go sit in with any artist,
I would be comfortable to it. It's just for me.
It's kind of that that one instrument is like walking.
Everything else much more difficult. But the violin like, yeah,
I mean you you learned. And the Nashville system like
they have what are called numbers that they do for charts,
but most of the people are I mean I toured.
There were people in the vand Perry that have no

(01:08:07):
idea how to read music, have never even tried to
read music. It's just everything's done by ear in that city.
You know, you just you got to be able to
hear it, and that's part of the job. If you
can't hear it and play it back or hear it
and sing it back, like then you'll you'll never make
it in Nashville.

Speaker 2 (01:08:22):
So it almost feels like it's a it's just this
language like that you hear right like you're it's it's
a complete language that you are fluent in.

Speaker 3 (01:08:34):
Well, think about the game Simon or you hear something
like that's the goal. Like, so when I first started
playing fiddle, because I you know, I do obviously coming
from Julliard, like I read music, and when I play
in orchestras and things like that, I read music that
would take me a second to get my chops back
on reading quickly. But when I was when I first
started playing fiddle, what I did is I took old

(01:08:56):
rock records and I listened to guitar solos and I
would like to it and then figure out how to
play a back note for notes. So like I knew
how to play Hotel California on a violin, or Sweets
Ala Mine on a Violand before I ever knew how
to play Devil went down to Georgia. Like everybody thinks
Devil went down to Georgie. I didn't grow up listening
to old school country, so like I still don't know.

(01:09:16):
Like like a lot of times you'll sit in with
the band and they'll be like, oh, George Strake the fireman,
and like, well, dude, won't dude, and they all look
at the fiddle player and I'm like, I have no
idea what song that is, but if we start, I'll
figure it out like, so, you know, I didn't grow
up with the country roots, but I certainly grew up
they call comping. But like if you, if you sat
down across from me and you sang something, I should
be able to play it back for you immediately.

Speaker 4 (01:09:38):
Well, lest we bury the lead here is that you
brought off the Devil went down to Georgia. I have
to ask the burning question, who won the Devil or Johnny?

Speaker 3 (01:09:45):
The reason and I told Charlie this RP legend. The
reason I never liked that song is because the Devil's
solo was clearly better.

Speaker 5 (01:09:53):
Yeah, the Devil he relented, right, that's my The.

Speaker 3 (01:09:56):
Devil are ever going to be? Like, I mean, the
Devil solo is not. I it's a hack like any
third grade kid that's never played a violin if you
show him the one trick on that and Charlie would
have told you the same thing. Charlie was a great, great,
great guitar player, but he was a great showman on
the violin. He wasn't like necessarily a great violinist. He
knew that. And so the Devil solo is like just

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it's sort of a cheap move that you do. There's
really nothing to it, but it just sounds badass. And
you know, Johnny Solo was like, Johnny Solo is fine,
but like the Devil Solo is far cooler.

Speaker 4 (01:10:29):
That's what I thought. But that's my elementary ears listening.
I don't know what I'm listening to. It's just like, oh,
that sounds great, but I don't know. But I have
an expert violinist here. I mean, I gotta, you know,
tap into the expert here, Anthony. You know, oh, without
a doubt, that's utterly fascinating.

Speaker 2 (01:10:43):
It really is.

Speaker 3 (01:10:43):
See. But the important thing, poise is because everybody last night,
all the guys on the tour and everything, they invited me.
They're playing MetLife Stadium tonight with Luke Comb's and everyone's like,
you want to stop on the bus and come down
to met Life And I was like, nope, I gotta
do the fellows in the morning.

Speaker 2 (01:10:56):
Let's go. Wow.

Speaker 4 (01:10:59):
I'm just telling you little calms for us. Yeah, that's
a special place right there.

Speaker 3 (01:11:05):
The the The funny thing is everybody's like, you get
the itch, now you're gonna go back out on the road,
and I'm like, hell nah, no, Like I I it
was nice to stand up and do the dang thing
for one night. It was nice and I really appreciated
the crowd going so nuts for it, and I felt
like I played well, and I was like, all right,
I will now go back into my quasi retirement at
least for a few weeks. I might be, you know,

(01:11:25):
a little giveaway here, but I might be might be
sitting there with my buddy Chris Young in a couple
of weeks. But you know, look at that.

Speaker 5 (01:11:30):
Ah wow, I'm just gonna do.

Speaker 2 (01:11:33):
That's awesome, man.

Speaker 3 (01:11:35):
Just you know, go in, play a couple of songs,
eat their food, drink their drinks, and then go.

Speaker 4 (01:11:40):
Back and just dip out of the back door. See you, Chris,
see you, buddy.

Speaker 2 (01:11:45):
Would you ever? Would you ever go back to that
world in a full time way?

Speaker 11 (01:11:49):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:11:50):
No, no, no, no never never, I don't. I'm I
love making music, man, and I love playing, but touring
is a grind and it's tough, and like even you, yesterday,
I went down because the place, the Amphitheater we played at,
was like, I don't know, maybe forty minutes from my house,
and so we went down for sound check from like
two We probably sound check from two to two thirty

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and then we were done and there was nothing to
do the rest of the day until it was time
to play a show at eight o'clock. And like, I know,
most people will sit there and say, God, that's got
to be a glorious life. But there's one hundred people
just sitting around backstage and on buses trying to figure
out how to occupy time. It's it's just it's not
a it's from my mind. It's just not a fulfilling lifestyle.

(01:12:31):
Playing the show is thinking awesome, like that's a great
moment right now. It would it would take a it
would take an offer that the touring world couldn't afford me.
I mean, at the end of the day, I am
a you know, I am a sucker for a paycheck.
But no, like, there's no If I'd have known I
was going to have this much downtime in the summer,
I might have played a little bit more with some people.

(01:12:52):
But yeah, no, I'm not. I'm not going out on
the road permanently.

Speaker 2 (01:12:56):
Wow, it's wild and that's truly the only way to
make your money, right.

Speaker 3 (01:13:02):
Oh god, yeah, yeah, Like everybody thinks of recordings, but
unless you wrote the songs, we are the only country
in the world that does not pay performance royalty on radio.
So that what that means is every time you hear
Blue Swede Shoes by Elvis on the radio, Elvis's estate
makes nothing. Carl perkins estate makes sixth sense, so he
wrote it. So for example, the Vamperry had a big

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hit with Better Dig two, nobody in the band made
a dime off of anytime that's on the radio, nobody
made anything like That's just that's the way it goes.
If you didn't write the song, you don't make the
money for it when it's on the radio. So and
now record sales are non existent and the streaming services
don't pay a livable wage to anybody. So the only
way you can really make money in the music business

(01:13:44):
is by touring. But now labels and merchandise companies and
everybody are taking cuts of everything because they're not making
any money anywhere else. So it's really just it. I
think people would be alarmed if you actually saw the
final balance sheet on you know, you see these numbers
of Taylor Swift eighty million dollars this year. Now she
grossed eighty million dollars, and Taylor's certainly the extreme, and

(01:14:05):
she's doing fine, But there are plenty of artists that
I know personally that are grossing five six million dollars
in touring, and out of that five six million dollars,
the artist is taking home three hundred four hundred thousand.
Like that's not bad.

Speaker 4 (01:14:17):
This split wow really, which is a big reason why
I believe baby Face even said that is much more
lucrative for him to write songs for other people than
to perform them himself, which is why he leaned into
producing and writing more than actually performing.

Speaker 3 (01:14:29):
Always know this in the music business. Your booking agent
takes standard fifteen percent, and your manager takes standard between
fifteen and twenty percent. You can negotiate some of that down,
but that's off the gross. So if I make ten
dollars for a show, thirty thirty percent of it seventy
or thirty cents or sorry, three dollars of that ten
is gone off the gross. I'm down to seven before

(01:14:50):
I paid taxes, before I paid fees, before I paid insurance,
before I paid any of my band guys, before I
paid my crew guys. I'm out thirty percent before I've
even made my first dollar. So you think about that,
and then the record labels start taking a cut. Everybody
starts getting paid out of all of it. That ten
dollars turns into two or three dollars really easily.

Speaker 2 (01:15:08):
Yeah, that's crazy. It is not crazy, interesting though, fascinating
world where the fellas as we hang out right here
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Speaker 2 (01:15:36):
Fellas Jason Fitz Kevin Figures. I'm Anthony Gargano live from
the Tyraq dot com studios. All right, so guys, let
me ask you a question. All right, tell me who
you think is the uh has the shortest odds to

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get fired.

Speaker 3 (01:16:02):
In the NFL.

Speaker 2 (01:16:03):
Yep, well, the first coaches to go. I had the
odds in front.

Speaker 3 (01:16:09):
Of me, so I wanted to be Eberflus. But I
don't think it is Eberflus because I heard his odds
for Coach of the year.

Speaker 2 (01:16:18):
We're great, he's third, so Eba Flues. It's seven to
one to be the first head coach fired.

Speaker 3 (01:16:26):
Wow, I'm surprised. I'm surprised. He's third. That means there's
two people ahead of him.

Speaker 2 (01:16:30):
Figure you got any surprising, Yeah, he's tied with somebody
and there's two guys ahead of him.

Speaker 3 (01:16:37):
He's tied with somebody. Man, I oh, you know what, Actually,
what about what.

Speaker 4 (01:16:43):
About Dabe that I was gonna say, Brian Daball, I
would have thought of Dabel is.

Speaker 2 (01:16:48):
Nine to one? He is six, number six. How about
how about Robert salakrack solid number one? Really at five
to one? Well, he Salad is the number one candidate.

Speaker 5 (01:17:08):
The fuck realistic or not?

Speaker 4 (01:17:11):
Expectation Aaron Rodgers, the thought that they have all this talent,
they should be competing for a championship, et cetera, et cetera,
et cetera. You know, so he just won, and Woody
Johnson has been impatient in the past, so that that
doesn't surprise me.

Speaker 3 (01:17:27):
I don't. I don't hate that call because you think about,
as I've said repeatedly, the next time the Jets handle
chaos well will be the first time the Jets handle
chaos well. And then you think about the fact that
they have a three thy seventy hundred four year old
quarterback that's coming off an achilles injury. Like, I just
I don't trust either of the old farts coming off
an Achilles injury this year. I know everybody else wants to.

(01:17:49):
I just refuse to do that. So then you start
thinking about, you know, if they have a slow start
by some and I'm looking at their schedule here, they
start with forty nine ers, So let's just let's play
this out. They Let's say they lose to the forty
nine ers, they beat the Titans, they beat the Patriots
or two and one. Everybody's happy. The Broncos somehow pull
off the upset two and two. The Vikings beat him

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two and three, the Bills beat them two and four. Yeah,
like Steelers beat him two and five. If that were
to happen, do they make a move who that would
take that? I could see it. I could see if
Aaron Rodgers isn't playing well all of a sudden, Salah
is not handling it the way they want and they
just make a change for a kickstart to the offense.
Does that mean Natt Hackett gets another head coaching upper?

Speaker 2 (01:18:32):
Oh my god, oh god, who's number two?

Speaker 3 (01:18:39):
Oh well, if Dable is number one?

Speaker 2 (01:18:45):
Number one?

Speaker 3 (01:18:45):
Sorry? Oh you know what I got one? I got one.

Speaker 2 (01:18:49):
Dennis Allenvins Allen tied with Eber Flutes for number three.

Speaker 3 (01:18:55):
Son of a Biscuit?

Speaker 2 (01:18:56):
How am I getting David one? Uh?

Speaker 5 (01:19:01):
What's take a wild swing here and say Doug Peterson.

Speaker 2 (01:19:04):
Great guess. And I have to tell you, I'm stunned.
He is way down the list really, twenty five to one, really,
and I'm shocked.

Speaker 5 (01:19:18):
Look, I like Doug.

Speaker 2 (01:19:20):
Six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirty nineteen guys
out of them, Man, you're twenty. I love Doug.

Speaker 5 (01:19:28):
You never want anybody to lose their job, But I
like those odds are right.

Speaker 2 (01:19:33):
I mean, I gotta tell you, I'm shocked, and he's
he's that low man. So who's too? What's that?

Speaker 5 (01:19:41):
I'm trying to figure out who two would be?

Speaker 2 (01:19:43):
Well, I mean, if.

Speaker 3 (01:19:46):
You tell me it's McCarthy, I'm gonna throw up in there.

Speaker 2 (01:19:48):
You go, McCarthy, d's king ding.

Speaker 3 (01:19:52):
That is the stupidest thing.

Speaker 2 (01:19:55):
McCarthy six to one, based.

Speaker 3 (01:19:58):
On what this whole premise like. I am so tired
of us judging the cowboys today by who the cowboys
were twenty years ago. Jerry Jones has proven himself time
and time again to be a pretty patient owner when
it comes to the coaching process, an overly patient owner
that gets faulted for keeping coaches around that people don't
think he should keep around. And now all of a sudden,

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we think he gets a wild hair that suddenly makes
him fire the head coach. Like the narrative, narrative on
Jerry Jones today is wrong all the time, Like, I
just don't understand it.

Speaker 5 (01:20:30):
The only thought, And I do wonder.

Speaker 4 (01:20:32):
And this is on the heels of the reports about
Bill Belichick standing involved and wanting to be a head
coach again next year if things go south for Dallas,
whether or not he'll make a push for Bill Belichick,
and the fact that he's out there and that Jerry
wants to make a big swing and still wants to
win before he goes and all that. I wonder if
that factors into this at all.

Speaker 3 (01:20:49):
Yeah, listen, but even if he does that, it's not
gonna work in the middle of this season.

Speaker 2 (01:20:53):
Yeah, it's unless it's some catastrophic true, Like, I don't
he's not getting fired now, Like could I see him
being fire at the end of the year without a doubt,
But not not now. I know, But he's he's six
to one, Solid five to one, McCarthy six to one,
Dennis Allen and Eberflus both seven to one, Dables nine

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to one. There's someone who's eight to one who you
need to get who is eight one, so he would
be number five on the list.

Speaker 3 (01:21:30):
Who are we missing?

Speaker 2 (01:21:31):
Actually four if you count, because he ate Alans are
both seven to one.

Speaker 3 (01:21:35):
Who are we missing that? It's even on the hot
seat right now?

Speaker 2 (01:21:40):
Think about I'll tell you what I'll give you over
the break, and think about it. Where the fellas we
hang out here Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 1 (01:21:50):
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Speaker 2 (01:21:53):
Well, good morning, good morning, good morning, good morning, Happy
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talking about the NFL and have in front of me
the odds on the coaches who were on the hot seat.

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Basically these are the odds for the first coach to
be fired, And in reality, all it is is a
way they kind of talk about, you know, coaches that
are in trouble, guys who were on the hot seat.
You know, every year we always talk about Black Monday
when the season ends, and this is kind of how

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we're looking ahead. So the guy eyes got it, Robin
sala Is the most is the hot the guy on
the hottest hot seat five to one McCarthy, which I
think we all agree is ridiculous because if he goes,
he'll go at the end of the year. He's not
gonna go door to the middle of the year. He
won't be early.

Speaker 5 (01:23:17):
Yeah, unless the Cowboys are just a disaster and like
oh and seven.

Speaker 2 (01:23:20):
Or something, you know, yeah, you know you fix that.

Speaker 4 (01:23:24):
Yeah, I don't think at that crazy injuries, something outside
of just poor coaching that would get them to that.

Speaker 2 (01:23:31):
Point right exactly. Now, the Giants, the way the Giants run.
If anybody's watching Hard Knocks, the Giants are a colossal mock.
They are there. They're a sketch comedy show. I mean,

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I can't believe it. I'm watching this thing. Joe Shane.
They had no plan yeah. I mean, I I'm shocked
that the ownership has allowed some of that stuff to
go over the air. They look horrible. Matter is a
great owner, great owner? Who they Joe Shaye, that staff

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are are just fools.

Speaker 3 (01:24:17):
I don't understand why they've shown so much of misjudging
the market, why they've shown so much of how it
went down, Like at what point? You know, I appreciate it.
I appreciate the fact that they're actually giving us some insight.
But then even above and beyond showing it, like, how
does that happen?

Speaker 2 (01:24:35):
You know?

Speaker 3 (01:24:36):
I just what if you're a Giants fan right now,
how can you possibly feel good about the direction of
the franchise?

Speaker 2 (01:24:41):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:24:41):
I don't understand that, you know. And so it definitely
does feel like the franchise seems lost right now. They
don't seem to have leadership that everybody can truly trust
right now. I just I look at the Giants with
the massive side eye, like at this point, I just
wouldn't be surprised if the Giants were one of the
worst teams in the league this year.

Speaker 4 (01:24:59):
I mean, the element of Brian dave Ball saying to
himself quietly, do I really want to be here, like
the way this place is functioning right now. Well, I mean, yeah,
you're he seems like one of them, lonely, like you know,
I don't want to say sane people that I'm not
calling anybody insane, but like as far as somebody was
like who knows what he's doing?

Speaker 5 (01:25:18):
It was on top of it.

Speaker 4 (01:25:19):
Competent, thank you, was the word I'm looking for, you know,
of that entire group, he's the only one of where
that comes off looking really competent out.

Speaker 2 (01:25:26):
Of all of them, I know, and listen, we all,
I mean we talked about this before. Dable's sharp guy,
like listen. And the shame of it is I thought,
like he turned down he should have been a head
coach a year before. And who was it? Did? We
would go to Detroit Dable? Who wanted to? I thought

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it was the lines.

Speaker 3 (01:25:50):
There was a couple, Yeah, there were a couple of
places that interviewed him, but I don't remember.

Speaker 2 (01:25:55):
And he turned them down. Yeah, and he waited. He
went back to Buffalo. He waited, and he takes the giants.
You go, all right, you know that makes sense. You
take the giants right like you know, big franchise, New York.
But through GN their front office is a mess. It's terrible.

Speaker 3 (01:26:18):
I think it's interesting as you talk about the coaches
to get fired though that like, look, I know, whatever,
five or six coaches a year every year end up
losing their jobs. I get that. But if I look
at like most current power rankings, I can just pull
up a random power ranking and I looked at the
bottom of the power ranking to see, Okay, who's gonna
get fired first? Right, Well, if you go quickly through this,

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the Panthers aren't going to fire their coach right away
this year, no matter what happens. There's no way. The
Broncos aren't going to fire their coach no matter what happens.
Then we get to the Giants, that one we're not
sure on. The Patriots not going to fire their coach,
The Commander's not going to fire their coach right now,
the Raiders not going to fire this coach, The Titan's
not going to fire this coach. Have a hard time
believing the Cardinals end up firing coach. Like if you

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start going up and down the list, there's actually a
lot more I won't say stability, but a lot of
the places that would be a candidate to be bad
enough to fire their coach have made such a recent hire.
I wonder if we're gonna see, you know, it's kind
of like you have a run on quarterbacks in the draft,
and the next year do as many teams need one.
I just wonder if we're gonna see less coaches fired
this year simply because the teams that have recently hired

(01:27:24):
all understand they're in a rebuild that takes more than
one year.

Speaker 2 (01:27:28):
Well, there's always why you got to think, there's always
what six to eight people or five to eight coaches
that go, and.

Speaker 3 (01:27:36):
I'd say, I'm hammering the under. I'm struggling to find
I can't find six places right now that would fire.

Speaker 2 (01:27:43):
Well, let me give you the list and then and
then let's let's play this game. Go ahead, fake.

Speaker 4 (01:27:48):
I was gonna say, there's always one or two where
you're like, damn, didn't see that one coming. It happens
every single year, So accounting for that, you know, all.

Speaker 2 (01:27:54):
Right, So if I made if I made the over
on their at sick and a half, I'm hammering the under.
If I make the undirect five and a half.

Speaker 3 (01:28:06):
I'll take the under. But I'm not as aggressive. I
think you know, I think I think you know I
would take the under. I'll hammer the under on that fig.

Speaker 4 (01:28:15):
Yeah, i'd probably I'd take the under six six and
a half, about five and a half, I'd probably go
over to be honest.

Speaker 2 (01:28:23):
All right, So let's make that the number then. Okay, So,
so can we find five or six coaches? Right? Six
would be the over.

Speaker 4 (01:28:33):
Now, this is not just mid season. This is that
by the end of the year, these jobs will be open.

Speaker 2 (01:28:38):
Correct, So let me read you the list first, so
you see where the list is. And he gets his
real quick, real quick for number five. So salads five
to one, McCarthy six to one, Allen and the eber
Flus both seven to one. You know who's eight to one.

Speaker 4 (01:28:54):
No, it's gonna sound weird, and I don't think it's
I'd say Sean mc dermott, even though I don't think
that should be that should be it.

Speaker 2 (01:29:02):
No, that's a good guess. He's not that far off.
But that's a good guess. Bree. Do you want to
tell him, because Bree got it?

Speaker 5 (01:29:13):
I do it's Nick Sirianni.

Speaker 2 (01:29:16):
Wow. Correct last year?

Speaker 3 (01:29:20):
That one actually makes a little bit of sense. Okay,
I like, all right, I'll give you that, like if
you that one does not surprise me. The McCarthy one
maybe want to throw up in my mouth. That one.
I'm like, oh, I should have thought of that.

Speaker 2 (01:29:33):
All right, So here you go, Syria. He's eight to one,
Dable nine to one, All at ten to one, Antonio Pierce,
Kevin Stefanski, Todd Bowles twelve to one, Kevin O'Connell, Sean McDermott,
Sean Payton, Zach Taylor fourteenth to one, Jonathan Gannon, Mike McDaniel,

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Mike Tomlin, Sean McVeigh all sixteen to one, Doug Peterson,
Matt Lafleur twenty five to one. And then you got
hard Ball Stike and Ryan.

Speaker 3 (01:30:08):
Dan Campbell, guys that aren't going anywhere.

Speaker 5 (01:30:13):
Yeah, I'd say some guys are a little high.

Speaker 3 (01:30:18):
We got you back. Wait, the fella's got you back.

Speaker 4 (01:30:20):
In fact that the odds are as high on Tomlin
and Sean mcvayor is interesting to me.

Speaker 2 (01:30:25):
Yeah, Yeah, I don't. I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:30:27):
I think those will be two of the more secure
guys in the league. Didn't Tomlin sign an extension that
was a big thing. Yeah, I'm shocked, not going anywhere.

Speaker 3 (01:30:37):
Mcvay' is not going anywhere, right, These are you know,
these are just dumb bets to get money from from
people that are thinking with emotion. There's just some suckers. Yeah,
well he's okay, go ahead, but.

Speaker 2 (01:30:50):
All right, so yeah, I'm sneezing my head off, right,
all right, So let's see if we can find six
for the over all right, okay, potential? Yes, right, for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:31:02):
I'd say yes, I'll give Salah as the potential.

Speaker 2 (01:31:04):
Yes, McCarthy.

Speaker 3 (01:31:08):
I don't think he's getting fired. I just don't really, yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:31:12):
I mean I don't think so either. I think Jerry likes.

Speaker 3 (01:31:15):
Really yeah, I just I mean.

Speaker 5 (01:31:18):
To fits his point.

Speaker 4 (01:31:19):
I mean, look how long he stuck with Jason Garrett,
Like for the idea that Jerry Jones is this impulsive
owner that'll do anything to get whoever hebody.

Speaker 2 (01:31:26):
It's firing McCarthy after if this year is another year
of disappointment. Fire McCarthy's not impulsive.

Speaker 4 (01:31:33):
No, no, I'm not saying that it is impulsive. I'm
just saying he's been more patient than maybe he even
should be over the last fifteen executive.

Speaker 2 (01:31:40):
No, I feel you. I'm just going, but this would
be about this year would be about time. Like I
quite frankly, I wouldn't have been surprised last year had
he let him go, and.

Speaker 5 (01:31:50):
The surprise I was surprised he didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:31:52):
I said he wasn't gonna get Lego last year. I'll
say he wasn't. He's not gonna get leg go again
this year because they're still gonna win twelve over thirteen games.
I think the Cowboys. The cow look, I know everything
is about playoff success, but if you're Jerry Jones, you're
gonna look around and you're gonna say, okay at some
point that you don't know that the next coach is
going to come in and be better. And Jason Garrett
is actually a pretty good comp He was there for

(01:32:14):
what nine years, for a very long time. I mean,
McCarthy comes in and there's no question that that team
wins games. So what we view as a failure would
be the Cowboys not doing well enough in the postseason.
I just I think even at that, Jerry's going to
look around and say, well, I don't want to restart now.
I don't have time to restart now. I'm gonna figure
out how to fix whatever other issues I can, I

(01:32:35):
don't think McCarthy gets fired.

Speaker 4 (01:32:36):
Yeah, And I'm not saying that it wouldn't be justified
to go in a different direction, Anthony, I just don't
think that Jerry's going to do it, assuming that this
season plays out the way the last what four or
five however many it's been, get into the wildcard, lose
the wildcard game, or make the divisional playoffs leak.

Speaker 2 (01:32:51):
Wow, that's amazing. I guess I think he stands bad.
All right. Well, I mean he's at least I took.

Speaker 3 (01:32:56):
Pulled up his record and he's forty two and twenty five.
Like that's he's forty two and twenty five. Like that's
a hell of a winning percentage. Like we only want
to make it about super Bowls, but like, I think
Jerry also understands there's more to it than that, like
three straight years of twelve and five. I just I

(01:33:16):
don't think there's any way. I don't think there's any
way he's going.

Speaker 2 (01:33:20):
I agree, Wow, all right, I'm not making it all
about super Bowls. But you gotta win a home playoff game.
You can't get drupped in a home playoff game.

Speaker 5 (01:33:31):
I mean, they just did and he still has his job.

Speaker 2 (01:33:33):
So no, I don't And I don't think they're better
than they were last year at judging their off season,
so I don't see.

Speaker 3 (01:33:41):
I don't think they're better. I just don't think that.

Speaker 2 (01:33:43):
I don't think they're Like, I don't think they're gonna
win the division.

Speaker 3 (01:33:47):
I think they're gonna win the division. They're they're a
twelve team. To me, yeah, they're.

Speaker 2 (01:33:52):
Gonna beat the Eagles, because I think the Eagles are
a pretty good team.

Speaker 3 (01:33:55):
I do think the Eagles are pretty good team. The
Cowboys are coming off a twelve win year and they
didn't get worse, you know what I mean, Like, yeah,
but they didn't do anything.

Speaker 2 (01:34:05):
The Eagles added Barkley.

Speaker 3 (01:34:07):
This is Yeah, the addition to Barkley is a nice addition,
it really is. But to me, the Dallas Cowboys are
just like the Buffalo Bills were last year. Everybody was
saying the Bills were gonna drop off and they weren't
gonna do well and blah blah blah, and what do
we know the Bills, Like the Bills just did what
the Bills did. Like, in order for Philly to pass Dallas,
Philly's got to win a few more games, and Dallas

(01:34:28):
has got to lose a few more games. Three straight
years of twelve and five and they bring that entire quarterback.
I just don't why is Dallas going to lose more
football games? To me? Even if they lose one more
to Philly, that that's still They're still going to be
an eleven or twelve win team.

Speaker 5 (01:34:44):
And that Yeah, they were separated by a game last year.
So if you want to flip flop, one's the division,
one one's the wildcard.

Speaker 2 (01:34:50):
I mean it's well, the rest of the divisions the
Giants watch, there aren't any good. But I you like
Cowboys and more than I though. I let's look at
their schedule and again I look at there. I look
at them, and I just don't like with their off season.
I don't think they improved.

Speaker 4 (01:35:11):
I just don't think they got much remarkably worse. I mean,
where'st have a run game last year?

Speaker 2 (01:35:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:35:17):
Yeah, if Tony Palm didn't do anything from last year.

Speaker 2 (01:35:19):
But at some point you can't live like that. At
some point that bites you.

Speaker 3 (01:35:24):
I mean, twelve wins last year didn't buy them.

Speaker 2 (01:35:27):
I think that was the anomaly.

Speaker 3 (01:35:29):
But I don't think last year was an anomaly. I
think the norm, like, this is what we're gonna do.
We're gonna put it on DAK. Dak's gonna put up
MVP like numbers and we're gonna win a bunch of
games with our.

Speaker 2 (01:35:38):
And meanwhile, you've got a guy, you got two contract
like worries that your whole offense is on two guys
that have it, that have issues.

Speaker 5 (01:35:48):
Well, that's an off season problem.

Speaker 4 (01:35:49):
I mean if it's just about coming into the season now,
I mean, yeah, the DAK and the CD thing is
an issue, but that's gonna be an issue in January, February, March,
not to start the season.

Speaker 3 (01:35:58):
Yeah, DA CD having their contracts doesn't mean that suddenly
on a Sunday.

Speaker 2 (01:36:02):
Guys like it more than I do. I don't like them.
I think they have a step back. Let's take a
look at their schedule. At Cleveland.

Speaker 3 (01:36:13):
Wins, that's a win for Dallas. To me, I love
I love Cleveland. I think Cleveland's a super Bowl contender.
But I don't love DeShawn.

Speaker 4 (01:36:20):
Until I see Yeah, until I see DeShawn, I can't
have faith them again.

Speaker 2 (01:36:24):
All Right, New Orleans home when Baltimore home loss, Yeah,
most likely, most likely at the Giants win.

Speaker 3 (01:36:33):
Well, if we're going to talk about getting worse, like,
let's also acknowledge that Baltimore has a new defensive coordinator,
lost a bunch of people in free agency. We have
no idea what the Ravens is going to look like
on that side of the ball. But yes, I'll give
you that. I'll give you that loss.

Speaker 2 (01:36:45):
All right. At the Giants win, ye, at Pittsburgh.

Speaker 4 (01:36:50):
Win, so toss up, but I probably give them the
win on that So Sunday night in Pittsburgh.

Speaker 3 (01:36:55):
Pittsburgh's quarterback situation is trash Wells a step back. I don't,
I don't. I don't think Russ. I think Russ is
completely washed.

Speaker 2 (01:37:03):
He could be. I mean now, I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:37:05):
You can't you can't sit you can't tell me like
this is my my great Russ frustration. We can't sit
here on one hand and say, Sean Payton is a
quarterback whisperer, one of the greatest of all times, and
he can get everything. He's so good he's gonna make
bo Nix a superstar. I mean, Russ was fine with him,
But if you had that brilliant genius, the Einstein of

(01:37:26):
quarterbacks helping you and that's what you got. Now you're
going to Arthur Smith like that. If I'm going to
give Sean Payton as much credit as I'm being asked
to give Sean Payton every day, then there has to
be a drop off for the quarterback that's no longer
working with Sean Payton. And that quarterback was only okay
with Sean Payton. He was only okay enough that they
were pretty happy just letting him walk out the door.

Speaker 2 (01:37:48):
I listen, I agree with you. I you know, Sean
Payton could wait to get rid of Rouss. So now
you know, like I feel you, I don't know. I mean,
I will shoo what happens.

Speaker 4 (01:37:59):
I mean, there's an element and a few people said
this going into it, there's a little bit of a
square peg round hole with how Sean Payton plays offense
and what Russ has done best throughout his career, while
also acknowledging that Russ has fallen off for sure.

Speaker 5 (01:38:10):
So there's no guarantee that.

Speaker 2 (01:38:13):
I mean, I wouldn't be completely stunned if he had
a little bit of a bounce back.

Speaker 5 (01:38:18):
I wouldn't either, guys.

Speaker 3 (01:38:20):
I don't even think he's starting for most of the season.
There's a field so little win. I mean, so what
happens if you're the Steamer.

Speaker 2 (01:38:28):
I do know a lot of Steeler fits are more
excited about Fields than they worry about rots.

Speaker 3 (01:38:32):
Think about this. If Russ comes in and plays lights out,
what are they gonna do. Are they gonna suddenly give
him a massive contract yet again at his age, for
huge money for the next three years. Organizationally, they need
Justin Fields to be more successful. That's a better long
term plan for them. I think once we get into camp,
Justin Fields is gonna have the chance to win the job.
I think by October Justin Fields is the starting quarterback

(01:38:54):
in the Steelers.

Speaker 2 (01:38:57):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (01:38:57):
Wow, all right, I certainly can see it happening. There's
a path for it to happen for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:39:02):
All right, let's uh, let's take a quick to you.
We'll come right back. I love this debate, Love this
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be Alright, real quick, guys, I look at that at
that team right, and you go, now you got their

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offense c d ridiculous, right, Brandon Cooks, Jalen Tolbert. I
like Jake ferguson the tight end. The running game. We've
talked about. The draft is not going to help you

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in really in that spot. You love Zach Martin. You
like the right side of that line with Terren Steele.
You know Tyler Geydon will see at left tackle. I
look at it and I go defensively. You love Micah
and I you know, I like their secondary. I think

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they're they're I think They're going to be fine defensively, offensively.
You know, it's just again a lot of DAK and CD.
Is that going to translate in the twelve again? You
think so, Finci.

Speaker 3 (01:42:32):
I mean, it has three straight years.

Speaker 2 (01:42:35):
I mean you know this, but that has nothing to
do with going into this year.

Speaker 3 (01:42:38):
Yeah, but I mean, Okay, they scored five hundred and
thirty points three years ago, they scored four to sixty
seven two years ago, and they scored five hundred and
nine last year. Like DAK was an MVP finalist last year,
And I know that has nothing to do with this year,
but all the all the things that you just mentioned,
like that was their reality going last year too. I
think what they told you in the draft is that

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they are going to put this all on DAK and
CD and they're gonna win a bunch of games that way.
Now will that win in the playoffs? Will that win in.

Speaker 2 (01:43:08):
But we got on this topic of it because of
the coaches, right, and whether or not McCarthy would get fired.
Let's finish go through the schedule because we had done
we're doing that exercise. So, uh, you guys had them
at a generous one where we were.

Speaker 5 (01:43:25):
Yeah, the only loss being to Baltimore, I believe.

Speaker 2 (01:43:27):
Through the first few weeks, correct, yes, yes, And then
they go to then their home Detroit.

Speaker 3 (01:43:36):
That Detroit matchups. I think Detroit's great, so I'll get
them the loss there. Detroit's gonna win.

Speaker 2 (01:43:40):
Yeah, i'd agree with that, So I listen, I would
agree with you guys that before they're bye week, they're
four and two. That seems about fair no matter what happens, right,
like correct that like they look that looks to be
pretty realistic. Four and two.

Speaker 4 (01:43:55):
Yeah, and knowing how the NFL goes, maybe they beat Baltimore,
but maybe they lose to somebody they shouldn't.

Speaker 2 (01:43:59):
That's that's the NFL, you know. So then they're at
San Francisco home or at San Francisco at Atlanta. They
lose one of those games.

Speaker 4 (01:44:10):
Right, they lose to San Francisco routine. Yeah, they haven't
beaten San Francisco in since the right since Fillmore era whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:44:18):
Yeah. Uh And and then and I was gonna say this,
and then their home Eagles home Texans, So they lose
one of those games, right, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:44:29):
Well, I think they're gonna split with the Eagles this year,
so I don't care if we give that. But yeah,
and I think they can beat the Texans.

Speaker 2 (01:44:34):
But I like the Texans.

Speaker 4 (01:44:36):
Yeah, I like the Texans too, but I think that
I think they can beat the Texans at home on
a Monday night. I can see that that wouldn't be
that wouldn't be a shock.

Speaker 2 (01:44:44):
Like I just think they're gonna lose one of those games,
like they're like, like they're gonna lose either Eagles or
Tech in that spot.

Speaker 5 (01:44:50):
So the one and one and that in that spot,
sure right, I can.

Speaker 2 (01:44:53):
I'll buy that, and then there and then they go
and they got at Washington home, so I got no
problem giving them two wins there. Yeah, I agree. Then
they're it's Monday night home, so that's four and two,
four through their eight and four. Okay, then there are

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home Bengals win. Okay, you gotta win. I give them
a win there too. I got a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:45:24):
Look, I really like it. I really like the Bengals.

Speaker 2 (01:45:27):
I do.

Speaker 3 (01:45:28):
But I also think it's fair to say, hey, we
don't know you know Joe Burrow's injury issues. One thing
to the Bengals address the offensive line. If I had
a nickel for every time I've said that in the
last six years. I think I'd be rich at this point.
They try, it never works, And Luon Arumo's defense was
not good enough last year. I think we're sleeping on
how bad that defense was at times last year for
the Bengals. So yeah, I think that as much as

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I like the Bengals, I don't think they're in the
same caliber where the Cowboys are going to be.

Speaker 5 (01:45:54):
Also, Zach Moss do a lot for you in the backfield.

Speaker 2 (01:45:58):
Fair fair. Then then they're at Carolina. That's a win.
Then they're home Tampa. That's a win. Then I would
think so, and then they're at Philly, then they're and
then the end of season they're home Washington.

Speaker 4 (01:46:16):
Yeah, I mean, so that's what is that? Eleven wins?

Speaker 3 (01:46:19):
No, I got them at thirteen and four or twelve
and five, depending on how well they're gonna lose.

Speaker 2 (01:46:23):
I mean they're not gonna got we have them in
the group being four into eight and four, these five
I gotta go watch three and two, right, last five?

Speaker 3 (01:46:35):
Last five? Yeah? Like because look, yeah, I mean I'm
just going I think they beat the No. No, but
I beat it like earlier you said with the Texans
and the Eagles, Like I think they beat the Texans,
so I think they're gonna split with the Eagles. So
if I gave them a loss there, I think that
then I got to give them the win over the
Eagles later.

Speaker 2 (01:46:52):
Yeah either way, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:46:54):
Either way. Worst case scenario for me, I still get
to I get to either twelve and five or thirteen
and four.

Speaker 2 (01:47:00):
I'll bet you right now, they're not thirteen to four.

Speaker 3 (01:47:03):
Yeah, thirteen, I'll make with you right now. Thirteen's hefty
for any NFL team. But just going through the exercise,
we just went through it, I don't pull off a
twelve and five like. I still look at that and
I'm like, yep, that's it. This is a team that's
gonna win twelve games.

Speaker 4 (01:47:18):
And one thing too that's doesn't get talked about is
and Dan Quinns did a great job there the last
few years, and that's why you got the head coaching
job in Washington. I'm not so sure Mike Zimmer is
not an upgraded defensive coordinator there, and that could be
good enough for another wine.

Speaker 2 (01:47:36):
Listen, well, that side of the ball I like better
than the offensive side.

Speaker 5 (01:47:40):
Sure, but if you guys like you guys a team
right too.

Speaker 2 (01:47:42):
And especially you are just automatically penciling in that offense.
I don't. I don't like the offense.

Speaker 4 (01:47:51):
Well, I'm just saying the team, as we're saying that
the Cowboys aren't as good as they were last year,
how many wins are they going to have? And I'm
taking the entire team into account. Offense included, so basing
basing it on all of that is how.

Speaker 2 (01:48:03):
I twice like, we haven't beat Washington twice. I mean
they could split with Washington. They could Washington gives them trouble.

Speaker 3 (01:48:12):
I mean, Philly could split with Washington. Do like, look
when I say they're they're twelve and five, that could
turn into eleven and six. Of course, right now that
that's part of how that goes. I mean, frankly, Washington
and New York could catch either Philly or the Cowboys
on a bad day. And it's like that's that's the
modern NFL just sort of being what the modern NFL is.
But if I'm applying what I always say, like universal

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benefit of the doubt, if I'm looking at everything across
the landscape and giving everybody the Okay, let's see how
this goes, I don't I don't see a drop off
in the Cowboys offense this year, and I Frank.

Speaker 5 (01:48:46):
There's also Hellum and Anthony.

Speaker 4 (01:48:48):
Has anybody else in the NFC East approved enough to
say like they're gonna vault above Dallas leaps and bounds.

Speaker 5 (01:48:55):
Now there's that part too.

Speaker 2 (01:48:56):
Now I don't I don't believe that anybody. I think
it's a two division.

Speaker 5 (01:49:02):
Now I think it's Eagles Cowboys.

Speaker 3 (01:49:04):
And it's just so like I used the Bills comparison earlier,
because coming into last season, I felt like what was
happening is everybody was so in love with the Jets
particularly and the Dolphins that coming into last season, the
narrative that was so loud was that the Bills were
going to take a big step back. And what I
kept saying before last year is if we want to
talk about the Bills playoff failures, that's conversation one. But

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we can't let that seep into how we look at
the Bills going into the regular season, because at some
point they are who they are and who they've been
and consistent, and the Bills didn't necessarily look good and
they had to go on a run, but at the
end of the day, they still got there. And like
for me as much as the same question marks that
you have right now would have been the question marks
I had about the offense last year. And all they

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did was score a boatload of points with an MVP
Kennedy quarterback that put up a bunch of yards. They're
superstar wide receiver, and somehow it worked into twelve wins.
So yeah, I just year.

Speaker 2 (01:49:57):
To year is is so different. I can't go well,
all right because last year that offense moved the ball.
I don't I think they got worse. I mean, I
look at Brandon Cooks. Is he gonna stay? Heal fees,
he gonna do anything for you at this age now?
Like if Tolbert. I mean, I don't know. I mean

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I like the tight end and I think they can
be Ron thick Fergus is good, but he's not you know, Kittle.

Speaker 3 (01:50:23):
Did you did you feel and the run game you
brought back?

Speaker 2 (01:50:27):
You know why you bring back Edmon Smith?

Speaker 3 (01:50:32):
Well, I mean I think they just showed you they
don't really care about the run. I'm not sure how much.

Speaker 2 (01:50:37):
Yeah, I don't know how that works when you got
I look at their white outs and I go all right,
Other than CD, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:50:43):
But is there a single person that's sitting there saying,
oh my god, the Titans got Tony Pollard. Man, that's
gonna be epic. Like they didn't have a good running
game last.

Speaker 2 (01:50:50):
Year, right it just yeah, dude, I mean probably you
bring it back Zeke.

Speaker 4 (01:50:56):
Well look, they're not gonna give the ball to Zeke
five hundred times. Like I do think there's an element
of a physical part of the run game that they
didn't have, as he brings them and and like running backs,
you know, come and go diamond dozen for dude, Von
could jump up and have a great year this year
then you know how running back situations where.

Speaker 2 (01:51:12):
You know, I hear you. But like I again, I
look at him and I go, that's not good. I
mean there are other teams who have Like listen, you know,
I thought the I thought the Eagles, uh run game
last year was weak, right, I mean they couldn't. They couldn't.

(01:51:35):
They took Jalen Hurts out of the run game, and
they really they teams adjusted to them, and I like
DeAndre Swift, but they didn't even throw them to them
out of the backfield. But now you got a guy like Barkley,
who theoretically is a huge upgrade. You know that's just
in the division you go around, Like when you look

(01:51:55):
at offenses and you look at spacey can you still
need multiple I think assets to create space.

Speaker 4 (01:52:04):
So I guess the Cowboys, what if they lose Michael Gallup,
I mean, Lamb's back is a is a year better.
Probably Ferguson's not getting worse. Brandon Cooks. Sure, maybe there's
another year of decline there, I guess.

Speaker 2 (01:52:17):
But I mean, who's your Okay, who's your other player?
Like again, but you need one?

Speaker 5 (01:52:23):
Do you need one?

Speaker 4 (01:52:25):
If you have a standout receiver like CD Lamb, do
you need Last year show I show weight.

Speaker 2 (01:52:29):
So the whole offense is Dak and Cedee Lamb. Yes,
And you're gonna tell me that that's gonna win this
year again?

Speaker 3 (01:52:36):
Yeah? Last years Lamb average one hundred. Last year CD
Lamb averaged one hundred and three yards a game. Next
story forty one.

Speaker 2 (01:52:45):
I like I saw it. He was great. I'm not
telling you.

Speaker 3 (01:52:48):
Well, I'm just saying when we talk about replace it,
but like Tony Pollard last year only ran for sixty
yards a game. But they but the Cowboys is a
team averaged one hundred and twelve yards a game. They
got it from other places, so Zeke doesn't have to
come in and be great. They need running backs to
average to make up for sixty yards a game, and
they'll be right where they were last year. Like Brandon
Cooks last year was the number two wide receiver. Ferguson

(01:53:09):
was a little higher than he was but at the
tight end. But Cooks only averaged forty one yards a
game and they still won twelve games. And you're saying, well,
that was last year, but like that's the only thing
we have to go on is that, Hey, this is
who the Cowboys are, and it works for twelve wins
a year for two straight, three straight years.

Speaker 2 (01:53:25):
All right, Again, I mean I think year to year
it changes, and I think defenses evolved, and there's tape
on you and I watched teams all of a sudden
attacked other teams differently. So I disagree with you, guys.
I disagree with I think that I don't think they're
gonna have the same prowess as they did last year.
But let's see.

Speaker 4 (01:53:44):
Yeah, I mean, right, year two of McCarthy being the
play caller for consistency, like, I think all of that helps.
I mean they can also adjust to the adjustments. Like again,
see Lamb is not getting any worse.

Speaker 2 (01:53:56):
You listen, ceedee, Lamb's great. I'm arguing that I just
think you need more than CD LAB to have a
complete offense. And I look at their run game and
I think it's non existent. And you talk, well, they
didn't have a run game last year. Yeah, but Pollary,
we still had had more than than uh Zeke, I

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mean Zeke's I'm study.

Speaker 5 (01:54:21):
I don't know how big of a role Zeke is
actually gonna play.

Speaker 2 (01:54:24):
To be honest, I mean you better hope that Douche
is douche McAllister. I mean, like what you did there.

Speaker 3 (01:54:33):
Yeah, I I hear you that. I don't think Zeke's
gonna be great. All I'm saying is it between all
the running backs room, because whether it's you know, Rico
last year averaged almost twenty three yards. Again, all they
gotta do is make up sixty yards. They're gonna make
up sixty yards games. Every one of their backs essentially
ran for four yards of carry, So they're just gonna
put somebody and they can continue to get four yards

(01:54:55):
to carry. And as long as they can do that,
they're gonna be just fine.

Speaker 4 (01:54:58):
Yeah, do the committee approach you have CD. Maybe Ferguson's
even better. Maybe one of these young receivers who were
not even talking about jumps up and does something that
we don't even know and has a big camp like
you produced.

Speaker 2 (01:55:09):
A lot of ifs and maybe it's just biolig.

Speaker 5 (01:55:11):
Somebody's for a lot of teams.

Speaker 2 (01:55:12):
I mean, yeah, but that's the fans do that, like
where you were going.

Speaker 4 (01:55:16):
Also going off of empirical this has happened here in
year out for the last four years, and they've only
gotten better.

Speaker 2 (01:55:21):
So there's no reason, there's no they've gotten better. Yeah,
had seventeen hundred receiving yards last year.

Speaker 3 (01:55:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:55:27):
Again, I'm not arguing with CD lamb okay.

Speaker 5 (01:55:30):
Okay, but the what have they lost is the question?
And they haven't lost anything last year.

Speaker 3 (01:55:35):
But also like you're you're you're asking me to to
to get to not get benefit of the doubt to
the Cowboys, but then I'm supposed to get benefit of
the doubt the Saquon who's had, let's be real, one
good year in the last five years.

Speaker 2 (01:55:48):
Listen again, I don't I don't care how you look
at or Farkley like in any in any kind of way,
I don't know, Dude, I look at it and go
and forget about the Eagles thing because I'm looking at
I'm really looking at this thing objectively, like I have
my own questions about the Eagles. Like I again, I
just look at their personnel and I go that personnel

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is much better than the Cowboys personnel. Offensively. Now I
don't know. Defensively, I think the Cowboys are better, but
offensively I don't even think it's close. Now here's the issue.
If Sirianne and Kellen Moore is a dud as a
coach and Hirts can't get you know, reclaimed, and then

(01:56:34):
they could have some issues. But I look at Barkley,
had no offensive line, no quarterback, and what he was bad, well,
I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:56:44):
Even say even I mean last year, I would say
Philadelphia was still better skill position wise top to bottom
than Dallas was, and yet we still.

Speaker 5 (01:56:51):
Ended up where we were. So that I'm not saying, well.

Speaker 2 (01:56:56):
They were chen in one and they fell off a cliff,
and they fell off a cliff because they were disjointed
offensively is whatever, And the fact that their defense was
just a complete mess you know, the no consistency at
the at the coordinator spot. And I think there's the
same kind of question like going in you know again

(01:57:18):
with Syriah s y Sirianne. We started this whole conversation
on the coaches on you know, coaches getting fired, and
he Syrianny should be up there because he's a guy
that is on the hot seat in a big, big way.
All we're gonna take a quick time out. Uh wow, man,
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Speaker 2 (01:57:54):
All right, fellas from the tai Iraq dot com studio
was nothing better than the debating some nf L. So
while we got sidechecked on the Cowboys, we were looking
to find six coaches who could be fired after this season.

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So we agreed Sala and then we went to McCarthy.
So I'll put McCarthy to the side. Neither of you
believe McCarthy will be fired, correct.

Speaker 5 (01:58:28):
I don't correct, Yes, Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:58:30):
So I'll put McCarthy to the side. I would consider
he's a chance, but I'll put the Dennis Allen chance.

Speaker 5 (01:58:38):
Yeah, very good chance.

Speaker 2 (01:58:39):
Yes, okay, that's two Eberflus, Yeah, the chance for sure,
that's three, Sirianni, uh, I don't I think.

Speaker 3 (01:58:54):
I don't think there's a chance. The Eagles are bad enough,
but you would know better than me. Like in my mind,
I still think the are, you know, one of the
better teams in the NFC, So I have a hard
time imagining that they get he gets fired. But also
the expectation there is so high. I mean, it would
it given the way that we were curious whether or
not he would keep his job a few months ago.

(01:59:14):
I guess it's.

Speaker 5 (01:59:15):
Possible, right, Yeah, that's that's kind of my thinking.

Speaker 4 (01:59:18):
Fits is like, what is the standard, Like if he
wins they won eleven games last year, if they win
ten and are a wildcard again and they flame out
in the first round, like and again there's rumors swirling
because of potential potentially Jeffrey Lewis's relationship with Bill Belichick,
and there could be something there, Like I I generally
would say no, but considering that this situation is somewhat unique,

(01:59:40):
I would say this here, Yanni. Yes, but it's probably
a likely candidate to be on the hot seat and
be fired.

Speaker 2 (01:59:43):
Sure, so here's kind of where I'm looking at it.
I think one of McCarthy or Sirianne will probably be gone.

Speaker 5 (01:59:57):
So you don't think they both stick it out.

Speaker 2 (01:59:59):
If things, I think it's it's it's I think one
of them is going to be really good or and
then I don't think both. I mean, I guess it
could happen, but both have expectations beyond eleven and six. Yeah,
I like if both teams lose the first round of

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the playoffs, I mean I gotta believe that one of
those coaches is gone.

Speaker 4 (02:00:24):
Yeah, well, especially if you lose the weight both of
those teams lost in the first round last year.

Speaker 2 (02:00:27):
It's all right.

Speaker 3 (02:00:29):
So do you, Anthony, do you think, like, let's play
this out there that let's say the Eagles win twelve games,
but they lose in the first round of the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (02:00:39):
Twelve games and.

Speaker 5 (02:00:40):
You win the division, but you're losing the division round.

Speaker 2 (02:00:42):
I mean, if they get if they get smack, if
they get smacked like Dallas did, yes.

Speaker 3 (02:00:46):
Then I'll put him on the hot seat list.

Speaker 2 (02:00:48):
Then yeah, if he went if he goes twelve, if
he goes twelve and five, and they lose a home
playoff game like the Cowboys lost the home playoff game
get dropped in their building, then yeah, I think he's gone.

Speaker 4 (02:01:04):
Yeah, and I think if you butt that next to
what happened to them against Tampa last year, then I
think that probably will be grounds to make a move.

Speaker 2 (02:01:10):
So yeah, well, and I'll throw it back at you.
It does. If the same thing happened to the Cowboys
and they get dropped at home in the first round
of the playoffs, what happens, I.

Speaker 5 (02:01:24):
Think they should make a move. I just don't know
if they do.

Speaker 2 (02:01:27):
It's weird.

Speaker 5 (02:01:28):
I don't think they would either.

Speaker 3 (02:01:30):
I mean, what do they think for Jason Garrett to
get fired?

Speaker 2 (02:01:34):
Right?

Speaker 4 (02:01:34):
But Jones and Syrian he's been into a Super Bowl
a couple of years ago, and he's getting his potentially
has more likely a higher chance of him getting the
acts than Mike McCarthy is the way that I look at.

Speaker 2 (02:01:44):
It, which is insane when you think about it. Right, Yes,
he's been coaching three years. He's won double digit games
all three years.

Speaker 3 (02:01:53):
Yeah, it took an abject disaster for Chasing Garrett to
get fired. I think it's we I don't think there's
anything this year that's gonna get Mike McCarthy fired, including
first time lost unless the wheels fall off on this
entire seaies that's wild.

Speaker 2 (02:02:11):
Yeah, I mean, okay, I just I don't. I don't
get it, all right, So that's one, two three, we
have three, uh like Lee's one maybe in Sirianny. All right,

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Speaker 3 (02:04:08):
Tell you a quick Gandhi story? By the way, one
of the most incredible people I've ever worked with at
any place I've ever been. I emailed him when I
first got to ESPN and I was like, Hey, man,
I really want to figure this this place out, and
I love your work. Would you be willing to sit down?
We sat down in the calf for hours. I'll never
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he's an amazing dude. So I hit him up last week.
He's like, we gotta we gotta connect. I'm hanging out.
We gotta connect while I'm in Connecticut, and he was like, yeah,
I would love that. So I said, I said any day,
but Friday, I'm sitting in with Jordan Davis and so
you know, Kevin. Kevin's like, okay, cool. So then yesterday
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you can't hang And I said, no, I'm sitting in
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saint and an amazing person, was going to that concert
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She took it from her seats. And so he texted
me and he's like, I just figured out that you're
playing at the show. My wife is going to tonight.
And he's like, I guess I just thought you were
doing something with Jordan Davis, the Philadelphia Eagle, like the

(02:05:13):
football player, and I'm like, I'm like, my Gandhi, I'm
five to nine a Bucks sixty five. What I ain't
playing with a football player. I'm playing with you know,
the white dude that sings country music. Let's go like
that's a souh Monica. And I had the chance to
make fun of Vin a little bit last night. All
love all love him?

Speaker 2 (02:05:31):
All right, can I make a can I can? I
it did something?

Speaker 3 (02:05:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (02:05:37):
Yeah. So when you first said, hey, I did something
with Jordan Davis, the first thought that came to my
mind was that I was like, oh, Cooley must have
done something for Yahoo. It was.

Speaker 3 (02:05:52):
That's amazing.

Speaker 2 (02:05:54):
God.

Speaker 3 (02:05:57):
They did a funny thing where Jordan Davis the country
actually met Jordan Davis, the football player. They did like
a jersey swap thing. I think, oh, that's cool. Yeah,
but it is. It's weird, like one of them is
gonna have to become the other. Like we're just gonna
have to make it the other Jordan Davis. So you know,
I nominate the football player to be the other Jordan
Davis because I knew the singer Jordan Davis first. I

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think that's the way should go.

Speaker 2 (02:06:19):
Yeah, I love it. I'm one of these challenged music people.
I just don't know particulars and names and and the
whole thing. So i'd like live why I'm so interested
in when you tell stories, I'm like fascinated by the world, right,

(02:06:40):
Like it's it's it's really interesting because I'm not at
all versed in it. So it's cool. But to get
back to it real quick, Kevin is one of the
great guys. Like I love him. We are from the
same place and we've he's connected, we've been friends for

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a long time and he does such a great job
at ESPN, and it's not surprising that you two would
be buddies.

Speaker 3 (02:07:11):
Well, he's like, they're One of the really encouraging things
to me about this business is how welcoming most people
have been to Hey, here's my journey, here's my process,
and here's that help. The music business isn't always that way.
Kevin's a big, a big reason why I feel that way,
because certainly he set the standard for everybody.

Speaker 2 (02:07:29):
That's awesome, great stuff. All right. So we've been debating
this and this is kind of a fun stuff here
where we're looking at how many coaches will get fired.
We're trying to find six, right, because uh, well you
have the under and figure's got the over y So
we're trying to find six. We got three, we got

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two Maybies, Brian Dabel. Does Dabel survive in New York?

Speaker 3 (02:07:57):
I So if you'd ask me before the offseason hard Knocks,
I would have said absolutely not. The more I watch
Joe Shane be Joe Shane, the more I think the
GM goes and Dable gets another run at it. So
I think he survives. But that's only because I feel
like the organization has just shown their glaring and competence

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over the course of the last month. So with that
being said, I think coach stays. GM goes. But you
could talk me into putting Dable on the list.

Speaker 5 (02:08:28):
No, I actually tend to agree with you.

Speaker 4 (02:08:30):
If anything, I would say, he goes to Doug maroon
route and just to say, you know what, I'll resign,
give it to somebody.

Speaker 2 (02:08:34):
Else, something I don't want to call back.

Speaker 5 (02:08:37):
I think that might be more likely than he gets fired.

Speaker 4 (02:08:39):
But yeah, I think it's more likely that they make
our front office shakeup, but they keep day Ball in,
So I don't think he should be as high on
the list of being on the hot seat.

Speaker 2 (02:08:47):
So well, we'll put him as maybe as a as
a possible change, right like we'll put him as a
pause as a possible change. Okay, I don't know why
Antonio Pears is ten to one. That's ridiculous. No, Kevin
Stefanski Cleveland, He's not going anywhere.

Speaker 3 (02:09:06):
I would highly doubt it, rock solid because like Cleveland,
the ones that's that's just a stupid Cleveland knows that
they've hamstrung their quarterback situation and by the way, not nothing.
The Browns won a lot of games last year with
guys we'd never really love that.

Speaker 2 (02:09:21):
So yeah, I know Kevin uh and uh. I love him.
I think he's really bright, a really good coach. And
if Cleveland can't play, if Cleveland is a problem, then
I think it's beclose to Sean Watson just is done.

Speaker 4 (02:09:42):
I agree it would have little to do with Stefanski
or his ability as a coach because we saw I
think we saw what he could do last year with
all the quarterback issues, getting flak of off the couch
and still you know, still playing as well as they played.
So I I have very little I should say, I
have a lot of confidence that he will not be
on this list of coaches there should be on the
hot seat.

Speaker 2 (02:10:02):
I think he sticks it out. Todd Bowles, Nah, he's safe.
I think he's okay too. Yeah, I don't know what
your expectations are if you're Tampa. Like I put, he
overachieved last year.

Speaker 4 (02:10:14):
See, and I think he's that he'll ride off of
last season regardless of what happens this year. Now granted
they can't win two games, but you know what I mean, Like, yeah,
if they're if they're middling around five hundred, again, I
think he stays another year. Kevin O'Connell, Oh, he's he's
stone cold safe.

Speaker 2 (02:10:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:10:32):
Not only is he safe, he's brilliant. Shouldn't even be
on the list.

Speaker 2 (02:10:35):
But I dude, I I completely agree with you. I'm
just going through there. This is this is the odds.
Sean McDermott, Now, now here's the thing. I'm a big
Sean guy. I love Sean, but could I see him
being on the hot seat Definitely only because of you know,
just like Andy Reid in Philadelphia when you're when you're

(02:10:59):
real good, but don't get over the hump and the
people get frustrated every year, Yeah you know they're not.
It goes back to what you were talking about earlier, Fitzie,
about you know, people getting tired of eleven and twelve wins.

Speaker 3 (02:11:13):
Yeah, I could. I understand that logic. I just have
a hard time piecing together how the Bills would become
bad enough that it's like, look, they've had one thing
they can't get past. That's Kansas City. We all know that, right,
So the Chiefs thing is is real. But I think
if you look back, even at the history, you can't

(02:11:33):
tell me that the Chargers on some level didn't regret
letting Marty Schottenheimer go just because they couldn't seem to
figure out a way to get over the hump. I
don't think the Bills organizationally make that same mistake. Plus,
right now, they have one of the toughest things to
have in the NFL. They have some level of continuity,
a coach at quarterback at all these spots, and you're
talking about a new, you know, multi billion dollar stadium

(02:11:54):
going in. It just doesn't feel like this is the
time to shake up what the Bills are doing. I
just can't find a path that leads to McDermott actually gone.
I could see where if things go haywire, maybe next
year we're having little conversations, But I just don't think
anything could happen this year they would make that actually
get executed.

Speaker 5 (02:12:12):
Yeah, I tend to agree.

Speaker 4 (02:12:14):
And to your guys' point, this just gets to a
point where you win ten, eleven, twelve games every year
and you get knocked out in the division around every year,
and people get frustrated and you say, well, we got
to make something, we got to change something, which I've
never been a big proponent of. You don't think you
just make change for the sake of making change unless
you think there's a solution out there. So I don't
think he should be on the hot seat, but I

(02:12:35):
can actually see a path where he potentially gets the
acts just because they end up listening to the fans
or the front offenses of getting frustrated or ownership. So
I don't think, I don't think it will happen, but
I do think it's a possibility.

Speaker 2 (02:12:48):
Yeah, yeah, totally. It shouldn't happen. Yeah, through no fault
of McDermott. I think McDonough's great. It's just again, you know,
that's just the very real thing is you don't achieve
a certain level every year, and like you know, I
get it with Kansas City, and I'm with you, But
they also lost to Cincinnati at home, right, like, now

(02:13:10):
it's a bad loss. You know, there's that sort of
stuff that people just get that fatigue.

Speaker 4 (02:13:17):
Yeah, the idea that you maybe may have hit a
ceiling with a certain coach, whether it's warranted or not.

Speaker 3 (02:13:24):
That like everybody gets into a we got to hit
the next level. So if your team is winning three
games a year, then all you want when you bring
in a new organization, new people running it is to
get to that spot where you're six or seven wins
and your competitive. And then you get to six or
seven wins, you're like, well, now we got to get
to ten or eleven and win the division. Then you
get to ten or eleven and it's like, well, why

(02:13:45):
are we not winning playoff games? And you know, you
go through this process where you normalize success to a
spot where you feel like you deserve more no matter
what you have, unless you're Kansas City. And the problem
with that is you forget what it was like to
win three games. And so you know, the cautionary tale
here is you turn around and fire somebody like McDermott.
You could be starting over at such a level, then

(02:14:07):
all of a sudden. You have no idea if the
next tire is going to be any good? Is the
next hire going to be you know, a beacon of
light and dark? Dark world?

Speaker 2 (02:14:13):
Are you?

Speaker 3 (02:14:14):
Basically I agree with.

Speaker 2 (02:14:14):
That Again, I'm about stability. Like to me, I think
stable franchises. Are you need coaching? That school you find
a good coach, you got to ride with him. I mean,
look at Cowar, you know, Pittsburgh row with him thirteen

(02:14:36):
years and then finally paid off for you, right, Like
I was one of the few people, not partly and
partly because of my relationship, but I because I saw
how good a coach he was. But I didn't think
Amy Reid had to have a new change of scenery.
Like I'm like, you got a good coach, Like what

(02:14:57):
do you what do you want? Like you don't know
if you're going to get it, what you're going to get?
And they went and the Eagles fired Andy Reid and they
hired some shiny new toy in chip Kelly, and it
was a disaster. They probably win because it's they get
Doug Peterson, who was an Andy re protege who you know,
kind of let them get to the super Bowl. And

(02:15:18):
then he was outing gear and now we're already talking
about Yeah, you know, seriality, be it out.

Speaker 4 (02:15:22):
I think it's sad, boy, it's a sad reality nowadays
that people just don't have the patience anymore. The idea nobody.
I don't think it is going to have thirteen straight seasons.
And if you're if you're not knocking on the door
of a championship. And granted they got to a Super
Bowl and lost to Dallas, but with Billkwer, but you know,
if you're not winning championships, you know, in your first
five years or so, all of a sudden, that's when

(02:15:43):
the noise starts creeping up. And I'm with you, guys,
I'm all for stability, giving guys chances to stick it out.

Speaker 5 (02:15:48):
I loved what Cincinnati did with Marvin Lewis.

Speaker 4 (02:15:50):
They couldn't get out of the first round, but they
stuck with that guy for thirteen, fourteen years whatever it was,
and kept the program in place because he took a
franchise that was horrible. To use your example fits a
team that was winning three, four or five games a
year to winning nine, ten, eleven games a year. Now
they couldn't win in the postseason. But consider where they
came from to where he took them, and a lot
of people often end up forgetting you know, forgetting that

(02:16:13):
yeah you think.

Speaker 3 (02:16:14):
Look, I'm the first to admit my own jaded fandom
forms some of my opinions. It's just when you sit
through press conference after press conference after press conference and
you get it wrong, and you have new coaches every
two years, you do wake up one day and you
realize that man, like that level of just hey, we're competitive,
but we're not epic, Like you never know where that

(02:16:34):
can leads you, like, So it's just it's it's a
cautionary tale when you've lived the life that I've lived
as a Raiders fan.

Speaker 4 (02:16:41):
Yeah, because then all you know, you get into the postseason,
you just give yourself cracks at it and you never
know when you might break through and something might break
your away and all of a sudden, you're the Cardinals
and you're in the Super Bowl, or you're the Jaguars
and you're a half away from beating New England and
going to the Super Bowl. You know, like those things
can happen, but you have to give yourself the opportunity
to even get to that point.

Speaker 2 (02:17:01):
I'm so with you guys. Dave Dombrowski is the Phillies GM.
I had the same conversation with him where like and
you know the variants. As good as you can be
in baseball, you just don't know in October if you
have a bad week, right, it's all you know, you
could be your bats could go funky because you were

(02:17:22):
off right. You look at the Braves the last two years.
They were the best team in the National League and
they lost to the Phillies both years.

Speaker 4 (02:17:29):
Hell, look at the Dodgers the last ten to eleven years. Oh,
the greatest example, a perfect example.

Speaker 2 (02:17:36):
So the point is that you know, any freak thing
can happen during the playoffs. But if you got a
team that you know, and really importantly for the NFL,
a coach that you know is competent, that is above that.
Because you look at this league and I have the
list of coaches in front of me, you could tell

(02:17:56):
or off the bet you go and we could play
the act. We could have to do the exercise, which
is a smart guy dumb guy basically, right, I mean
competent incompetent, like you know who's competent, Like you know
who's who's got a really good chance, and if you
have an above average coach, like I believe in Harball,

(02:18:18):
Like I think Jim Harball is a great coach and
undoubtedly will turn around the Chargers, right Like I just
believe in Jim Harborough. So like, no matter what happens,
I'm with Jim, I ride with Jim Harball, no matter what.
Like he could go you know, eleven and five the

(02:18:41):
next five years and not with the Super Bowl, and
I'm gonna go number six, number seven. I just believe
in him that sooner or later he'll get the job done,
that he'll can turn you around. Now, not everybody on
this list is like that. So now at three uh,

(02:19:02):
clearly on the hot seat and three not or three
uh possibles.

Speaker 5 (02:19:09):
Zach Taylor, No, I wouldn't think so.

Speaker 2 (02:19:13):
You guys were when we talked about the Cowboys Bengals game, Fitzy,
you were a little.

Speaker 3 (02:19:19):
I don't know, No, I think the Bengals still have
a little bit of work to do, uh, especially like
I said, I'm curious about their offensive line. I'm curious
about whether their defense takes a step forward, But I'm
not curious about the direction of the franchise.

Speaker 2 (02:19:31):
Like well, I love the coach, so I would agree
with you.

Speaker 4 (02:19:35):
But and Mike Brown is one of the more patient
owners unless things totally fall off of a cliff, I
don't see him paying a coach not to be there,
So all right.

Speaker 3 (02:19:44):
I say cheap, Yeah, you know what, you know, well.

Speaker 2 (02:19:47):
Whatever works real quick, which, uh, these are the only
other possibilities. Mike McDaniel, I can't imagine Mike Tomlin. Same thing.
Sean McVay. I don't even know what ridiculous sending even
me on the list stupid, but this is one that
I'm like, Wow, Doug Peterson twenty five to one.

Speaker 4 (02:20:08):
Now, the fact that Tomlin and McVeigh are ahead of
him is interesting to me.

Speaker 3 (02:20:13):
I just think that the presumption is that Jacksonville doesn't
really like that's a market where you're sort of invisible
for a long time, you know, like you just it does.
Reasonable success or failure is not judged the same way
in Jacksonville that it would be in Philadelphia.

Speaker 2 (02:20:31):
If Trevor Lawrence does not right himself, I mean, I
think you have to move on.

Speaker 5 (02:20:39):
Yeah, and Ley, I love Doug, Like.

Speaker 2 (02:20:42):
Doug won the Super Bowl, right, so, like you know,
my inner fan Eagles fan, you know, since I'm a
little boy at all that close and nothing. Doug Peterson
won a Super Bowl, So I have a porter's a
part of me that will always be indebted to Doug.
But if I'm looking at objectively, whether it's his full

(02:21:04):
or not. If if Trevor Lawrence doesn't take enough step
right now, Trevor Lawrence has been a disappointment, and if
he doesn't play well this year, I gotta find somebody
who can reach him.

Speaker 3 (02:21:17):
I agree with that. I just don't think. I think
the Coln family is going to be patient and find
other solutions.

Speaker 4 (02:21:27):
Yeah, this is one of those kind of similar to Dallas,
where maybe they should consider it, but I don't think
that they will. So if they look, if they're hovering
around five hundred again, which is what they've been the
last two seasons, I think they probably hold on and
stick and stick with it.

Speaker 11 (02:21:43):
Right.

Speaker 2 (02:21:44):
So there you have it. So you got three possibilities.
So right now as we speak, it appears that Fitzi's
under looks good.

Speaker 3 (02:21:55):
Bah.

Speaker 2 (02:21:57):
There's three possibilities, three kind of likely ones, and there's
four to five on the fence.

Speaker 4 (02:22:04):
One so you know, the caveat I'll put on Jacksonville
is if Trevor Lawrence underperforms severely like or like you know,
really doesn't have a good year, usually somebody's gonna get it,
and it's not gonna be the guy they just gave
a two hundred plus million dollar contract too, So I.

Speaker 5 (02:22:21):
Will go with that.

Speaker 4 (02:22:22):
If it really falls off the cliff and they're not
nine to eight and they end up winning five games
or six games, Doug, that opens up the possibility of
Doug possibly being let go.

Speaker 2 (02:22:32):
Yeah. I think there's a pressure on Lawrence to look good, right.

Speaker 4 (02:22:37):
And if he doesn't look good, it's not gonna fall
on him. That's the thing. He's not going anywhere.

Speaker 2 (02:22:42):
No, that's my premise. Yeah, that's exactly my premise, which
is they're never gonna look at They'll exhaust their situation
to find someone that could reach the kid right to
kind of get the best out of him, right, and
that's it.

Speaker 5 (02:22:55):
So from that standpoint, yeah, I'm with you, You're.

Speaker 2 (02:22:57):
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Speaker 10 (02:23:43):
Ed Milett or John Gordon.

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Speaker 2 (02:24:02):
Fellas hanging out, you know, pretty soon we're gonna be
uh through this little dead period and then it's on
my brother my brothers, it'll be on. We're close. I

(02:24:27):
always look at it like and figure, you're my witness, right.
We always look at the summer really as just a
as a as a long. It's almost like a trek
through the Sahara to get to meaningful sports.

Speaker 4 (02:24:44):
Yeah, you're trudging through grinding your feet through the sand,
you know, very very very very very slowly.

Speaker 2 (02:24:54):
Yeah, it's uh, but it's but we're making on the horizon.

Speaker 5 (02:24:58):
No, the pads are on, however, briefly, very briefly.

Speaker 2 (02:25:04):
Yeah, yeah, very briefly.

Speaker 4 (02:25:07):
But we're just a couple of weeks away from the
Hall of Fame game, I know, how about that?

Speaker 3 (02:25:11):
Nothing though, we do have like we have the w
NBA All Star Weekend this weekend, and then we have
the Olympics right around the corner. That's gonna help with
some of this too, so you know.

Speaker 4 (02:25:20):
Well, so not to harp on that, but since you
brought that up, fits this is weird to me. So
Caitlin Clark, obviously one of the young faces of the league,
all that she's going to be in the All Star
Game playing against Team USA. Why is she not participating
in the skills competition in the three point contest on
your night?

Speaker 2 (02:25:38):
How does it make any sense?

Speaker 4 (02:25:40):
And initially people are like they were ripping the w
NBA for saying, how could you not invite her? And
the WNBA said, oh, no, we did invite her. She
said no, how do you say no? You can't say no?
How do you knock it to you to ride this
wave of what the w NBA is and has become.
We talked about the TV contract in a previous hour
of the show. I mean, you have to you have

(02:26:01):
to recognize sometimes this stuff is bigger than you, even
if you don't perform well, you're you're the young face
of the league.

Speaker 5 (02:26:07):
You have to participate.

Speaker 2 (02:26:08):
By the way, she should have been on the team too, like,
you know.

Speaker 4 (02:26:10):
Sure if you want to, and whether or not she
would have quote unquote earned it if she's not one
of the top twelve fourteen players best and it doesn't
really matter, especially when you were a sport like that.

Speaker 5 (02:26:18):
You need as much exposure as.

Speaker 2 (02:26:20):
You and you knew she was arcing. You know, yeah,
she was arcing to that.

Speaker 4 (02:26:25):
And by the way, if she's not one of the
twelve best players, does the twelve player play that much?

Speaker 10 (02:26:29):
Anyway?

Speaker 4 (02:26:30):
The women have not lost a game an international competition
in like twenty years.

Speaker 3 (02:26:35):
L that's a slippery slope, y'all. Like the only thing
I'll say is, like the standard is the standard. Like, look,
Livy Dunn is the most followed women's college athlete anywhere,
and she's you know, gymnast, but we don't put her
on the Olympic team just because she has a huge following.
It would be good for the Olympics.

Speaker 2 (02:26:50):
But the girl, I mean, but the girl could I mean,
look what she's done, right, Like you know, you know
you should have had to force like to see which
you could have been Like, if you are that good
of of evaluators, then you look at this kid's game,
you go, well, she's gonna she's going to be a
great player, like you can say it.

Speaker 4 (02:27:11):
I don't pretend to know that much about gymnastics, obviously,
know who Livey Dunn is. But if she was that great,
people would have been talking to She's not even in
the conversation of being on the Olympic team, you know.

Speaker 5 (02:27:19):
So there's a little bit of a difference there.

Speaker 2 (02:27:21):
Yeah, all right, we got that.

Speaker 3 (02:27:22):
Go ahead real quick.

Speaker 2 (02:27:24):
We'll we'll take well, we'll pause and we'll come back
on that. Because joining us says he does every time
during this period, he is the brain, our buddy, the brain.
Brad Feinberg, Bradley, good.

Speaker 11 (02:27:39):
Morning, Good morning, Nantha. I gotta tell you, man, you
can get me started on the Caitlin Clark thing. I
would I'd be able to fit. See, I viciously disagree
with you. I could talk about that for a long time.
I think the fact that they didn't choose her for
the Olympic team it's all about politics. I mean, that
was the definition of you know twenty. I'd be like

(02:28:00):
Woods when he was dominating, just not being chosen to
be one of the to make the Ryder Cup team
because of jealousy. And I would serve these girls up
and this w and be up a bunch of peanut
butter for all the jealousy they have, because it is
it is. It's not even like an opinion. It's like,
here's a person who's coming change the value of your

(02:28:20):
entire sport. Has meant more to your sport than anyone here.
And you basically said, you know what, you know, I
don't like her because she's too popular, and I mean,
and by the way, she's great, she's a great player,
and anything that she said, I mean, she's not good.
She's great. And it's just I still can't understand the
whole w NBA thing about how you you go you

(02:28:42):
attack the person who's the most popular person on your league.
I don't get it.

Speaker 3 (02:28:46):
So that's that's two different things, though, I'll say this,
I don't I don't think that it makes sense for
the W to be attacking Caitlin Clark at all. But
for the Women's Basketball Committee to make the decision, they
got to make the decision based on who they think
the best are for international play. You got to a
woman that just came out of college that was adjusting
to the W that at the same time they got
to look at it international play and say, hey, does
she have the experience? Isn't too much to put on

(02:29:08):
her right now? Like all of those other portions of
the conversation, Like, I do think that there's some nuance
to the basketball side of it for the for the
women's basketball team. I understand she is playing great right now,
but I also don't think it's the worse for Caitlin
Clark to not have to deal with the adjustment to
the W and the adjustment to the international game. That
being said, I do agree with you that I think

(02:29:29):
it's absolutely asinine that so many players and so many
voices around the W continue to attack somebody that is
absolutely right now taking the sport to a level that
nobody ever would have imagined it could get to.

Speaker 11 (02:29:42):
Yeah, again, I one't think it might. I don't like
jealous people. That's one thing I don't listen. There's always
gonna be someone better looking at more money than me,
and I don't. I mean, I have more stuff and
I don't care. I'm I'm not like I don't. I mean,
I hate the haters, like I really don't like people
who to put others down to prop themselves up. And

(02:30:02):
I just I'm not a fan of that. And I
and I was stunning, and call me naive. It is God,
I wouldn't hope. I'm not naive, but call me naive.
I thought that this would be like a celebration. We
you know, we have a person, a player that the
young people and people have generated Anthony. If I told you,
and I told you that the w NBA would be
out drawing NBA Finals games, If I said that to

(02:30:23):
you before Caitlin Clark was was playing basketball at Iowa,
you probably the odds on that wouldn't It would be
like minus nine nine nine nine nine ninety nine for
one that that never happens. And this woman changed everything.
And I'm not you know, I'm not trying to eat

(02:30:45):
to overstate it, but I don't think I didn't think
it was possible what she was able to do, I
don't think was humanly possible. And uh, I just I
just find it surprising that, you know, if that's the
path that's gone down. But he said it is what
it is.

Speaker 2 (02:31:01):
Yeah, yeah, I hear you. Are you watching it?

Speaker 11 (02:31:07):
I will listen after I just said, I'm gonna come
across the healer. I'm not a huge I've watched her.
I mean I have watched her. Definitely contact watches when
she plays to take that forward its work. I do
don't love the women's game, but I do actually like
watching her play. I like her style. So to speak
to me, I love again to me, Anthony sit the Almo.

(02:31:30):
If you would agree with me, she's like Steph Curry liked.
I mean in terms of the women's game like that,
I would kind of compare her to that kind of
player where she just has an amazing range on her shot.
I mean, she'll pull up from thirty feet like it's nothing.

Speaker 3 (02:31:46):
By the way, she also she credits that to Steph.
I interviewed her her freshman year and why she felt
like she could shoot from anywhere, and she said, I
grew up watching Steph and when you learn, like when
you see that, you see that you're if you're open,
take the shot. Doesn't matter where you are on the court.
So it's funny that Steph is a Steph Curry is

(02:32:06):
a huge part of why Caitlyn Clark is who she is,
So it makes him a huge influence to the.

Speaker 11 (02:32:10):
W Yeah, and I and I and I think that
that's like something that you know, Steph. I think, listen, guys,
I would think since Jordan's in in the NBA, the
two guys to me that I want to say influencer,
not the best players, but the two players who I
think culturally are just however you want to say, like

(02:32:31):
kind of change the ratings, not people play basketball, watch basketball,
Iverson and Steph Curry. Uh, since Jordan, you know, even
more than Lebron. I'm not saying that, of course Lebron's better.
Of course Lebron's better, but I feel like just people
with Steph changed the way the game and Iverson just
changed everything, like culturally just how he you know, you know,

(02:32:53):
he just his attitude of everything. He was just an
iconic player in that aspect in so many ways. But
Caitlyn Clark to me. It's again. I I don't think
there's ever been an athlete that changed the trajectory of
the sport Tiger Woods, I'll say, in golf. But I'm
telling you, Caitlin Clark, and just think about this again.

Speaker 2 (02:33:11):
Guys, don't get me sorry, you mentioned Tiger Woods in
the ESP had top one hundred athlete lists.

Speaker 11 (02:33:16):
That's the differ.

Speaker 2 (02:33:17):
How Tiger Woods, Anthony, that's just again that that's that's true.

Speaker 11 (02:33:23):
I mean, Tiger Woods is Look again.

Speaker 5 (02:33:26):
In my.

Speaker 2 (02:33:29):
Tiger and Brady, three of the greatest athletes that I've seen,
and neither of the top three. I don't even understand that.

Speaker 11 (02:33:37):
Again we are, we are on the same page, Anthony,
one hundred percent. As I said, I don't know how
they derived or arrived at that at those lists. But yeah, again,
Tiger Woods changed changed golf forever right now in my
opinion at least, where golf has become that much more
of a popular sport. And in Tiger's dominance and his

(02:33:58):
brilliance and his charismas they brought to the game and
just you know, changed it and changed the viewership of
everything and make off what it is today, or help
make off what it is today. I should say, and
I feel like what Caitlin Clark has done is really raised. Now.
It's funny, do you see the thing guys when they
talked about the right steel for the w n b

(02:34:18):
A and they like quadrupled or troubled, but the commissioner
of the league and it was a commission league, they
were upset. They're like, we think that they undersold the
rights because we think we're going to grow that much more.
And you know what, they could be right because I
really do think that that the woman's at w n
b A and I let's say what you want to

(02:34:39):
say about her. I know she's not the talent necessarily
of Caitlin Clark, but I think Angel Reese has been
like a good foil for her so to speak. Thing, yeah, yeah,
you have to have that, yes, And I feel like
that Reese did a double double streak and then you look,
it's funny. Then you see they they put four women

(02:35:01):
on her so she couldn't get her tenth point because
they again I guess, but I guess. I let you know,
they maybe people just don't like anyone who comes in
and helps usport. They just they just don't want anyone
that have any success. And maybe it's just that I
don't know, but yeah, I think that's at least a
really good thing for the WMBA. It's growth and I
think it has a tremendous future, and I just wish

(02:35:24):
that the league. Maybe it's the league understand to it.
I don't know. Maybe the players don't get Caitlin Clark
is the best thing they ever could happen. And their
salaries will go up, their endorsements will go up, their
sneaker deals, potential, what what? Everything should go up? Anyway?
Sorry about that rank, guy, I heard you guys talking
about it.

Speaker 2 (02:35:41):
It's good. It's good. We all so we've only got
a couple of minutes to do. His favorite What do
you got? I'm sure you got baseball? And then I
know fits you all the question for you?

Speaker 11 (02:35:50):
Yeah, I got I got a bunch of baseball guys.
Look Nester Quartez's year's giving up over four and handy
at sixteen of the twenty starts. I see reason the
book that trends the juice was low. Nico Lodolos Cincinnati
Reds over four and a half strikeouts. He guys in
his careers, averaging six and a half four and a
half too low. Yes, tough matchup versus Washington goes in

(02:36:12):
ton of k but Lodolo is a guy. I think
we'll get there to those five strikeouts, ruining that was
too low. Tony Gray five and a half strikeouts fourteen
and three of the game got ragined out yesterday fourteen
and three, averaging over seven against the Braves team that
tops three in the league last month and striking out
give me that. One of my favorite pitchers this year's
been TODs Bradley. Guys, I'm gonna double dip here with

(02:36:34):
TODZ Bradley over five and a half strikeouts. He's eighty
five strikeouts in the sixteen innings. He's gone over nine
to twelve games against the Yankees team that's in the
mid pack and strikeouts. I think he definitely get to
six kap and I like Todge Bradley under two and
a half our runs. He's done it seven strike games,
he's ken in two to the under and again in pitching, guys,
always trump's hitting in the sport of baseball. So to me,

(02:36:57):
I think that that was that was worth and one more.
Gavin william under forty anth strikeouts guys, clear he's nine
and nine to that under You're like, okay, what's the edge, Well,
san Diego, the eleven Commandment of San Diego does not
strike out this team. Just you cannot strike out san
Diego again. I bet that's been fifty to fifty. You're
going to go against the hardest team to strike out.
I'm gonna dare Gab more than just get five strikeouts.

Speaker 3 (02:37:20):
I like it, FITZI no, I mean we're up against it.
Just tell everybody how they can find out and keep
in touch with what you're doing.

Speaker 11 (02:37:27):
Yeah, I'm on on Twitter on Brad's Best Bets and
you can always reach me on there and any questions
or everything. I'm always happy to answer anyone and help everyone.
And I was, you know, just as Anthony always says,
as long as the sportsman as well too, not just
the gam But I.

Speaker 2 (02:37:42):
Love that's the bets. That's why you're the best. We
love you. Thank you.

Speaker 11 (02:37:47):
Brad does one next week?

Speaker 2 (02:37:50):
You got a brain there he is the brain checking it.
We'll come back. I try, we are. I have to
wrap it up. It's fast, Fellas hanging right here with you.
Fox Sports Radio. Ah, welcome back, Fellas, Jason fitz Kevin Figures.
I'm Anthony Gargana again. Thanks to Mighty Mark and Brianna.

(02:38:15):
Great job, guys, we appreciate it. So you mentioned the WNBA,
you mentioned the Olympics. Does that Will that be your
primary focus in the Bridge period?

Speaker 3 (02:38:31):
I guess I say that was such sadness. Now me
the Olympics.

Speaker 2 (02:38:36):
I liked the Olympics a lot, and I think I
like it in theory more than in actuality.

Speaker 3 (02:38:44):
That's well said, because look I'll be covering a lot
of it for Yahoo from here obviously, just a little
quick hit videos and things. But this is I think
the Olympics comes in spurts. I just don't find myself
having the same level of oh my god, I can't
wait for this excitement that I usually have for the Olympics.
I don't know why. It just doesn't feel like it's
hitting the same way this year that it usually does
for me.

Speaker 2 (02:39:04):
Maybe when it starts, you'll get into it.

Speaker 3 (02:39:06):
Yeah, Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2 (02:39:07):
It's kind of where I'm looking at. Yeah, that's kind
of where I think I am where. You know, Like,
I obviously love the basketball, I mean I like all
of the you know, I like a lot of this
stuff I do miss I have to say I missed
when boxing was was relevant the Summer Games. I always

(02:39:28):
think about boxing.

Speaker 5 (02:39:29):
It's one of the marquee events for a long time.

Speaker 2 (02:39:31):
Yeah. Yeah, Now it's just an afterthought. That's crazy to.

Speaker 3 (02:39:35):
Think we've gone from the boxing from boxing being a
you know, Olympic event, to breakdancing. I'm just like this,
the world's gotten weird. Man, Like I disrespect to the
breakdancers that are there, but maybe a little disrespect. I
don't know. I just can't break dancing being an Olympic sport.
I can't.

Speaker 5 (02:39:51):
Hey, look, we started the show talking about esports.

Speaker 4 (02:39:54):
It's it's on the docket before within the next decade
that it might be an Olympic sport too.

Speaker 2 (02:39:59):
Just saying I know, I know, thumbs fingers and thumbs thumb.

Speaker 3 (02:40:05):
Turn it into an Olympic gold medal.

Speaker 2 (02:40:07):
It's great. I mean, it's just insane. And then like
I mean, I I remember as a kid, like the
boxing man it was we had some amazing fighters and
it was something about boxing and the Olympics, like where
in the colors the flags on your shorts like it
was I don't know, I mean, it was it was

(02:40:29):
almost the way it should be determined, like in the ring.
You know.

Speaker 4 (02:40:36):
Yeah, well even with this heavyweight fights independent of the Olympics,
boxing was such a popular sport and it was a
fight between nations and German fighters versus American fighters.

Speaker 5 (02:40:46):
It was a big thing.

Speaker 4 (02:40:46):
And you know Johnson Schnelling like think go all the
way back in the day was it was always you know,
a major thing.

Speaker 2 (02:40:53):
I mean the Phillies, the the the Cuba had a fighter,
heavyweight fighter who was like impossible to beat, by the
name of Teofilio Stevenson. Anybody remember that name.

Speaker 5 (02:41:08):
The name is vaguely familiar and Ridick Bow for sure, ye.

Speaker 2 (02:41:14):
Who beat them. And it was like, you know, I
hope I have the facts right, but it's just come
off the top of my head. But it was like
like this, you know, Cuba, it was communism, and you know,
it just had that kind of feel to it like
fighting in the ring where it was there's also.

Speaker 3 (02:41:35):
Like a leven of level of badassery to that that
it's like my country fighting your country. Yes, and I
don't want to be wildly deep here. As we finished
the fellas, but I'm not sure that we have the
same sense of national pride now that we've had an
Olympics past like it, it was like a country divided
right now, not a country yes, coming together. And then
you think about the Olympics, like we can't even agree

(02:41:56):
on it right now. I feel like if you walked
into a store and said I love ice cream, somebody
would start yelling at you about why your decision to
like ice cream sucked. Like we're so with each other, yeah,
I just we haven't galvanized together around our country the
way that we do typically for the Olympics.

Speaker 2 (02:42:13):
Yeah, well said, yeah, I really missed that. I felt
we felt so strong when we were the guy. It
felt different. I mean the best the only way I
could describe it is that you felt strength. Yeah, with
everybody on the scene.

Speaker 5 (02:42:32):
You fail unity.

Speaker 3 (02:42:33):
Yeah yeah. Solidarity and patriotism was something that we had
for a very long time in this country, and other
countries that have toured two around the world have it
as we speak. It's just right now, it just feels
like that moment is lost.

Speaker 2 (02:42:45):
We need to The Dutch they celebrate the Euros when
they made their run in the Euros and it was
you know, it was awesome, right, the orange and and
I missed that for us, And you're right, you know
these other much. She's had it, but we don't have it.

Speaker 5 (02:43:03):
It's really sad.

Speaker 2 (02:43:05):
I know.

Speaker 3 (02:43:05):
Yeah, maybe the Olympics brings us all together and then
Bam kumbaya. But in an election year, I think we
know that ain't happening.

Speaker 2 (02:43:12):
I know, I hear you. I wish it would anyway.
We love you guys, so thank you for hanging with us. Fellas.
Wish you good week. We'll see you next week.

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