Mark Willard and Ephraim Salaam talk Pro Football HOF, Draymond Green’s Issue with Steve Kerr & More!

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Sports.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
I don't know about everybody listening, but I count myself
among those who root for other people from I'm pretty
sure you're the same.

Speaker 3 (00:13):
You root for other people, and I want.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
To start off tonight to ask you a question that
I bet I know the answer to, which will help
me make a point about the Pro Football Hall of
Fame and quite frankly, any hall of Fame before we
do all of it.

Speaker 3 (00:31):
What's going on, my man? How are you tonight?

Speaker 4 (00:32):
I'm good man. How you doing.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
It's good to hear your voice again. I'm refreshed after
a week away. Man, I'm ready to rock nic Aloha.
I tell you, I'll tell you where I spent last week.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
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(01:10):
State and at a certain point, whether this was young
or old or anywhere in between, where you realized that
being a professional athlete was an option for you for
your career. I bet you had some others around you,
some friends, some teammates who have the same at least
possibility of also being a professional athlete.

Speaker 3 (01:35):
Am I right?

Speaker 4 (01:35):
Yes, I know exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:37):
It was okay?

Speaker 2 (01:39):
And did you at that time think to yourself, well,
I hope I make it and they don't, because it
would be more special if just I make it and
not them too.

Speaker 3 (01:56):
Did that ever cross your mind? No, didn't think so,
not at all. So right, So here's what I'm getting at.
I love the Hall of Fame ceremonies, some of these speeches,
you know, and.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
As the San Francisco guy seeing Patrick Willis going yesterday,
I love I love the jackets, I love the emotion.
I love so many things about the Hall of Fame.
What I do not like, though, is the debate. It
my god, it makes me scratch my head. And if
I hear another person break down whether or not Eli
Manning should or shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame,

(02:33):
I think I'm gonna just remove my ears from my
head and leave him somewhere, because hey, what are we doing?

Speaker 3 (02:39):
He's getting in so you put that aside.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
And secondly, what is everybody worried about with the idea
of people making the Hall of Fame who they don't
think should be there, Like, whoever paid any price for that?
What bad thing happens if someone gets elected to the

(03:03):
Hall of Fame that you thought shouldn't be in there.
This watering down of the whole process that everybody warns
us about, I've never felt it in my entire lice.

Speaker 5 (03:13):
It was only three hundred and seventy eight players in
the Hall of Fame, thank you. That's not very watered
down getting to that number of three seventy eight this year,
and so just you know, to be you know, transparent.
I was there, I was there. I just gow back
from Canton this morning.

Speaker 3 (03:34):
I'd love to hear about it.

Speaker 5 (03:35):
Andre right, Andre Johnson, Yes, sir, well deserved, unbelievable talent,
teammate person period, Very emotional, very teary eyed. His speech
was amazing. He spoke from the heart because the teleprompter
went out. And for those who know Andre know he's

(03:56):
a man of few words. And just to hear him
speak about his family, his uncle, his mom, his daughter,
his brother, his sister who he met when he was
twenty one years old, and his teammates the other organization.

Speaker 4 (04:15):
It was just a beautiful, beautiful situation.

Speaker 5 (04:19):
After a I don't know, three hour rain delay, I
was storming out there, but it just so happened that
the sun came out when Andre got inducted and went
up to speak beautiful, It was just it was an
amazing thing, the thing I was really thinking about being there.

(04:42):
And I've told this story a million times. Are talked
about Dwight Fraanie a million times. When people ask me
who's the toughest player you've ever gone against, It's Dwight Frannie.
I don't even have to think about it. And I've
gone against a lot of the greats, including Julius. But
Dwight Freenny changed the way I looked at the defensive

(05:04):
vans and put tacking to and heeded it to a
lot of other offensive linemen as well. Uh. But to
see those guys, the Patrick Willis's, UH, the free Nies,
the Julius Peppers, the uh, the Andre Johnson's, the Devin Hesters,

(05:25):
like I remember, every week, whether we played them or not,
our our uh special teams coach would start with Devin
Hester highlights and these are just the game they had
just played, not a compilation of his highlights. It was
literally the game they had just played the week before,

(05:47):
and we weren't even playing them. We would start every
special teams meeting when I was in Houston with his
highlights because that's how great he was. Every single week.
You they he said it in his speech. They changed
the kickoff rule where they moved the ball forward, so

(06:08):
it essentially took players like him out of that. Most
people didn't even know he played receiver. They may have
thought because of the number he was a dB and
he was just a return man and just became a
return man.

Speaker 4 (06:20):
No, he was a receiver, and he made us.

Speaker 5 (06:23):
Forget about what position he played and made us hold
our breath every time he touched the ball, and just
to be there be a part of that. It was amazing.
It was unbelievable. At the time of my life. The
Texans showed up and showed out Andre Johnson, representing an
entire city, an entire franchise, the first Texan player ever

(06:47):
to go into the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 4 (06:49):
And it couldn't have happened to a better player. Teammate
in person.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
Well, here's what I would like to say about that.
While you were telling that story, I looked up the
the top wide receiver touchdown scorers of all time and
I looked at the top fifty and Andre Johnson's Name's
not there, so he should not be in the Hall
of Fame.

Speaker 3 (07:15):
And then I'm and I don't think I'm mad about it.
I'm mad about it. No, No, this was that was
that was a disgrace last night that they led him in.

Speaker 4 (07:26):
Yeah, you know what, you know what really put it
over the top for him?

Speaker 5 (07:30):
What And this is a real stat Andre Johnson is
the only wide receiver to put up the numbers he's
put up and be inducted into the Hall of Fame
without a Pro Bowl quarterback and are a Pro Bowl
wide receiver playing opposite him.

Speaker 4 (07:53):
You can put that in your pipe and smoke it. Yes,
yes you can. You can put up.

Speaker 5 (07:56):
Those numbers without a legitimate Hall of Fame quarterback. Are
a another legitimate threat on the other side of the
field for you to at some point at any game
get single covered, which it never happened.

Speaker 3 (08:15):
Who's the best QB played with?

Speaker 5 (08:16):
Matt Chob match job, Matt Job, matchjob, okay, match job.
So you gotta remember he was putting up back to
back years would would David Carr?

Speaker 3 (08:26):
He was amazing.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
Yes, Oh, here's the thing, and this is what I'm
getting at what you just provided there. That was something
called context, and and.

Speaker 3 (08:39):
My god, we lose it.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
We lose it or we don't know it because we're
reviewing these things at a time where some of the
people who are involved in the whole process don't even know.

Speaker 3 (08:49):
They don't know, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
You and I talk about our sons and watching ball
together and everything. My sons don't know much about Andre Johnson.
They don't know Like Jude, do you know? Do you
know about Andre Johnson? He's ten years old. Do you
know about Andre Johnson? He's saying yes. I think it's
because he thinks he wants me to say yes, you
know what I'm saying, But there's no way, no, I
know you do put your hands down anyway.

Speaker 3 (09:13):
My point is he's right there. They didn't live it.
They didn't live it, they didn't see it.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
They don't know those little things that you're talking about.
But I guess my question for the football world tonight
is what's it to you. I find that so odd, Like,
nobody in the history have ever has been inducted to
the Hall of Fame and they're up there talking and
people are looking at him like, you know what, that

(09:42):
guy really wasn't very good. That's never happened. It's never happened.
If you're up there, you're amazing. Are there different levels
of amazing? Yes, sure of course, sure, sure they're not
all Tom Brady, you know what I mean, They're not
all Joe Montan.

Speaker 5 (10:00):
Look at his limited run. Look at look at Terrell Davis,
one of my former teammates. Look at Patrick Willison playing
eight years, seven of them happened to be first team
All Pro.

Speaker 4 (10:11):
How about that a man?

Speaker 5 (10:13):
How about this young man came into the league, was
the defensive Rookie of the Year, made the Pro Bowl
and first team All Pro as a rookie. Yet no
one had done that ever, ever, on any level. Right,
So when you start talking about, well did he do it?

Speaker 4 (10:32):
Long enough? You do it a year at that level?
Do it once?

Speaker 5 (10:37):
Have one year like Patrick Willis had his first year,
and oh what did he do? He just backed it
up with another All Pro year, another All Pro year,
another All Pro?

Speaker 4 (10:48):
Come on, what are we doing?

Speaker 3 (10:50):
I just it's just confusing to me.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
I just I don't understand why anybody would ever be
turned off by someone making the Hall of Fame, because
every single time I've asked somebody, what's what's the problem.
So Eli gets in and Philip Rivers gets in, and
Matt Ryan has a speech, what's the problem?

Speaker 3 (11:16):
What is the problem? What are we wide? Oh but
a wa, are it just to de legitimate what are
you talking about?

Speaker 6 (11:24):
No?

Speaker 2 (11:24):
It doesn't, It doesn't, It never has. That's never been
a thing. I don't understand. And I know I'm fighting
a losing battle. I'm not going to single handly take
down Hall of Fame debates tonight, But I just whenever
you're on the other side of that, what's going on there?

Speaker 3 (11:42):
Why who cares? Let him? Live?

Speaker 4 (11:45):
In a divisive world, humans love to be right.

Speaker 5 (11:54):
And anything that's contrary to what they believe is wrong.
This is the state of the world we're in right now.
Whether you're a it used to be you could be
friends with a Republican or a Democrat.

Speaker 4 (12:09):
It used to be your coworker or your friend, or.

Speaker 5 (12:11):
Somebody in your family's like well, I like that, Mama,
and then, but that was it. Now it's like you
got follow him. I hate you, but you're my child's godfather.
Oh I hate him too now. Right, So we live
in a society where everyone has a voice. Social media

(12:31):
has given everybody a platform. Podcast has given everybody a
somewhat stage. And the more outrageous your your take, it's
called a hot take, the more you can go quote viral.

Speaker 4 (12:50):
That's what you want. You want to debate, whether you
have any.

Speaker 5 (12:56):
Any leg or knowledge to actually have a coherent debate
about whatever topic it is, whether it be politics, are
whether it be a hall of fame, it doesn't matter anymore.
People used to just ignore people who didn't know what
they were talking about, or who just sounded stupid. And look,

(13:18):
I am not impervious from sounding idiotic.

Speaker 4 (13:22):
Sometimes we've all been there. It's look, I'm married, man,
I've been married, so you're wrong.

Speaker 3 (13:28):
I'm wrong. I live in exact Okay, still married.

Speaker 5 (13:34):
That's how I'm still right. So I understand that. So look,
people are gonna say what they want to say. I
was on a team with Andre Johnson, I was on
a team with Calvin Johnson. Look, I've been next to greatness.
I was just a good player, nothing special write home about.

(13:56):
I was good enough to, you know, survive in the lead.
This impossible to survive in for thirteen years. But I
got to see what greatness was. I got to see
how someone came to work every day. I got to
see at a position where it was all about you
and you wanting the world to know it was all

(14:17):
about you. He just came to work. Him and Calvin
Johnson share that same ilk, that same makeup.

Speaker 4 (14:26):
They just went to work, no matter.

Speaker 5 (14:27):
Calvin was trapped in Detroit, all right, if it weren't
for Matthew Stafford coming along, goodness gracious, right, But Calvin
was trapped in Detroit so much he was like, I
think I want to go do.

Speaker 4 (14:39):
Something else, right.

Speaker 5 (14:41):
Andre Johnson spent the majority of his career in Houston,
an expansion team that was struggling to find an identity.
He helped them find an identity. He helped get them
to where they are now with Demiico and shout out
to the Houston Texans, Meek Oriyan, the ownership. They were

(15:02):
all there in attendance. It was a beautiful thing. That's great,
but this is this, this is the beauty of it.
Man so you can say what you want to say.
I saw it. I know what greatness looks like. I
know what it sounds like. Period.

Speaker 3 (15:19):
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Speaker 2 (15:21):
There's a specific player that this will blow you away
when I tell you the company he's with, And I
hope that it will help people understand why going to
Google and looking at people's stats is the stupidest way
to come up with a Hall of Fame argument, uh

(15:42):
in the history of ever. Wait, what do you hear
about this player and who he sits next to?

Speaker 3 (15:46):
It'll blow your mind. We'll do that next.

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Speaker 3 (16:33):
I found this interesting because you know how.

Speaker 2 (16:35):
People do it. Oh is so and so a Hall
of Famer. Well, let's let's let's go to Pro Football
Reference dot com and let's look at the numbers. You
know who has the same number of touchdown catches as
Julio Jones. Santana Moss has the same number of touch

(17:00):
down catches is Julio Jones. You know who has one
more touchdown catch than Julio Jones, Jimmy Smith, Chad Ocho
Sinko and Stefan Diggs. Stefan Diggs has more touchdown catches

(17:20):
than Julio Jones. So if I'm going to go to
the internet, I'm told that Santanamos and Julio Jones.

Speaker 3 (17:32):
Pretty much same guy. But that's that's not how it was.
That that's not how it was if you watch the game.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
If you saw the game, and that that's part of
my issue, and I think it's kind of goes to
what you were talking about a few minutes ago. Is
the further we get away from this stuff, the more
our opinions and points start to get based in things
that are sort of lacking reality. They're either numbers on

(18:06):
a computer screen, their memories which may or may not
be fully accurate, or they completely ignore things like what
you just brought up about. Andre Johnson never played with
what you would consider a great quarterback or a Pro
Bowl quarterback, never played opposite a great receiver.

Speaker 4 (18:28):
That Hall of Fame quarterback.

Speaker 3 (18:30):
Yeah, and therefore was double teamed his entire career.

Speaker 5 (18:37):
It was crazy for him to put up back to
back fifteen hundred yard receiving teams, lead the league in
receiving by himself in terms of being the number one option.
The way defenses take away number one options every week,
it didn't matter. You couldn't keep the You want to

(19:00):
talk about fifty to fifty ball, it was more like
eighty five fifteen ball. I mean, I'm blocking, I'm blocking,
I'm looking. I know the players when they're calling, I'm like, ooh,
this is a good one, right, I'm after the ball's gone,

(19:20):
I'm looking, I'm looking, and now I'm running down and
now we're celebrating. He was so big, so imposing, couldn't
jam him at the line. He was faster than everybody
who tried to guard him, and it didn't matter. It
didn't matter Durell Reeves in any of the top corner,

(19:41):
it didn't matter. Let them tell you, ask them about it.
Right Like teams had to game plan for Andre, just
like we had the game plan for Dwight Freeney. We

(20:01):
had to put it. The first time the Texans ever
beat the Colts, we had the game plan for two players,
Dwight Freenne and Peyton Manny. The game plan was, we're
gonna run the ball third nine, run the ball. Number one,
We're gonna eat up as much clock as we can
to give Peyton Manning as little time as possible. Number two,

(20:24):
we're going to be beyond physical on Dwight Freennie. We're
not gonna let him just tee off and rush the passer.
So we put a game plan in where we got
a nickel third and five, six, seven, eight, nine, we're
gonna get a nickel. We're gonna spread them out, We're
gonna run the ball. Run day and had one hundred

(20:46):
and fifty five yards rushing that day. That's how you
become Hall of Famers. When whole teams, the defensive the
look man, the defensive coach, the defensive coordinator came into

(21:11):
our offensive meeting room and told us what we needed
to do to help stop Peyton Manning. How about that
we had to devise a game plan to help them out.

Speaker 3 (21:30):
Even though you've never even been on the field with him.

Speaker 4 (21:32):
At the same time, these are real life stories.

Speaker 5 (21:35):
Every single team that I played on where we played
Peyton Manning, it was the same thing Jacksonville, when we
were in Denver, when I was in Houston, same exact thing.

Speaker 4 (21:51):
Period. That's just what it was.

Speaker 6 (21:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:53):
I spent a whole week trying to figure out how
to get the game over with us quick.

Speaker 5 (21:58):
Time a possession, we had to win the time of possession,
and even with that, we only won by two right
the last second, forty five yard field fifty yard field goal.

Speaker 4 (22:13):
Yep, these are real live stories.

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All right, so now that we've sort of had a

(23:26):
conversation about.

Speaker 3 (23:27):
How I'm just over here rooting for everybody.

Speaker 2 (23:30):
Everybody gets a jacket. Now let me go the other
way for a second. You and I have sort of
expressed this a little bit before, and I've gone on
my rant before about draft grades and how I think
it is one of the silliest things that happens in
sports because we don't know.

Speaker 3 (23:51):
We don't know.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
Actually, even as we sit here today, we don't know
that Brownie James is not going to be an NBA great.
I don't think so, but I don't know yet. We
have to let the whole thing play out. But predicting
is part of sports, and Ephraim I got a bad
feeling about the top three picks in the twenty twenty

(24:13):
four NFL draft. I happen to think the best quarterback
out of this draft is named Michael Pennix. It's gonna
take him a minute before he gets an opportunity because
of the presence of Kirk Cousins. My feelings with regard
to Jaden Daniels and Drake May are not really based
in anything that's hard fact obviously, just you know, not

(24:38):
like I think those are projects gonna take a little
bit of a while.

Speaker 3 (24:42):
Let's focus though, on.

Speaker 2 (24:43):
Caleb Williams for a second, because you had some very
pointed comments made a few months ago, and it was
largely based on things that we sort of thought might
be out there. Remember when there were rumors about like, oh,
Caleb wants uh part ownership of a team that's gonna

(25:04):
draft him, and and and just all kinds of sort
of parenthetical rumors and innuendo about.

Speaker 3 (25:12):
Caleb Williams that that scared people.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
Maybe this is just a tiny thing, or maybe it's
the first brick on the wall. Let me ask you,
how do you feel about Caleb in his first camp
directing or asking even for his teammates to clean up

(25:38):
around the locker room. He didn't like the way it looked.
How does that grab you?

Speaker 5 (25:43):
I'm okay with that. Okay, Wow, I'm okay with that
because I've been in the locker room.

Speaker 3 (25:51):
Well, well, you know it's men.

Speaker 4 (25:53):
It couldn get out of hand.

Speaker 5 (25:56):
And you got to remember, you got people coming from everywhere.
All walks of life are raised however they were raised,
whatever their college situation was, and so it can get
out of hand, mainly because the age range is so skewed, right,

(26:19):
so you could have a twenty two year old in
there with a thirty six year old. Sure no other
place would they be contemporaries.

Speaker 4 (26:31):
And so.

Speaker 5 (26:33):
You have you essentially have generations in terms of how
people were raised and how old they were when they
were young. And I tell this story all the time
about when my year twelve, I would ask our rookie,
our rookies where they were in nineteen ninety eight, and
they were saying the third grade. So my rookie year

(26:58):
in the league, when I was playing in this, they
were in the third grade. So we although we are contemporaries,
we are teammates, we are not the same in terms
of how we grew up.

Speaker 4 (27:13):
And so.

Speaker 5 (27:15):
Him taking a leadership position in terms of accountability and
cleaning up after yourself, I'm one hundred percent okay with
that because I've seen it get out of hand. I've
seen it be a mess. And on top of that,
it's not fair to our support staff because the locker

(27:39):
room can look like crap when we leave and go home,
but when we come back, it's immaculate, right, It just
the mess doesn't.

Speaker 4 (27:51):
Stay like in your dorm room or your apartment.

Speaker 2 (27:54):
Okay, Now, I can feel everything you said there without
fully accepting that. Caleb is the one to point that out,
and I get I get that there's a little bit
of a push pull here because A he's a rook
but b's the quarterback. Therefore you're supposed to be a leader,
but you're not supposed to be a leader. Yet I

(28:15):
get that that can be a difficult line to walk.
Former NFL receiver a Moni Tumor had some very very
pointed comments about this, which we want to let you
hear coming up next. I will continue to react to
this and talk it out. That's around the Bend with
e from Salama.

Speaker 3 (28:33):
Mark Willard on Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
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Speaker 2 (28:44):
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Speaker 3 (28:53):
You know what you're supposed to be doing. You know
what I mean. It's like, oh, yeah, I got it.
You know, boss comes by everything going great, great, great,
great great.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
I mean, in truth, I don't even know where the
bathroom is, but yes, it's great, So like I get it.
Caleb Williams, you're the CEO now of the of the
on field Bears. At the same time, people are gonna
want you in your place.

Speaker 3 (29:22):
So to speak, because you're just a rook. What do
you make of this?

Speaker 2 (29:26):
Amani Tumor, former Giants receiver, had this to say about
Caleb Williams telling teammates to clean up the locker room.

Speaker 3 (29:33):
He's Russell Wilson two point zero. Uhh, this is not
gonna go over. Well, if you came in the locker room,
I've been here.

Speaker 8 (29:41):
I've been in this locker room for eight years, like
you said, And you know, some rookie's gonna come in
who hasn't played one snap right talking. We're wearing the
fingernail polish, you know. Now he's gonna come in here
and tell me we've been here, who've been through the
struggle that I need to clean up? No, how about rookie,
how about you clean up after me?

Speaker 4 (30:00):
How about that?

Speaker 3 (30:00):
Don't give me this crap.

Speaker 1 (30:02):
I don't like it at all.

Speaker 8 (30:03):
I feel like rookies should earn their respect.

Speaker 3 (30:06):
Sure, just because you got.

Speaker 8 (30:07):
Drafted number one doesn't mean nothing to me, because I
don't even know if you're good.

Speaker 3 (30:11):
What do you make of it?

Speaker 5 (30:13):
Well, I understand what he's saying, and that's spoken like
someone who played when I played. And what a lot
of guys in my era and before failed to realize
it's a different league, just like the guys before us.

(30:35):
Art used to tell us stories. Art the Great Art
Shell and comparable Art Shell. We used to tell us
stories about when he was in the league, and it
was completely psycho psychotic, completely different than than than when
we were our time in the league, and so generationally
that's what happens now. I don't even know why you

(30:57):
throw the fingernail polished in there.

Speaker 4 (31:00):
It is what it is.

Speaker 5 (31:02):
None of that's going to matter if this kid can play.
What I do agree with is that he doesn't. We
don't know if he can play yet. I get that,
I understand that. But the organization, the franchise, has drafted
him with the first pick in the draft, and what
they're placing on his shoulders, whether he's ready or not,

(31:25):
they're placing the entire franchise on his shoulders. Because when
you take a quarterback at that position, at that pick,
that's what you're doing. He is the face of the franchise.
So to tell him to like, we're going to find

(31:46):
out if he can play or not. This isn't a
show me in practice or what he has it. He's
going to get the opportunity. So I'm not going to
argue with someone one if they're right now. If he
came into the locker room, was like, hey, we're not

(32:06):
gonna listen to music in the locker room. Before practice.
We're not going to do this, We're not going to
do that. Then now we have an issue. Now I
was like, hey man, slow down, all right, you're doing
too much. But hey man, just pick up after yourself.
How can that be the thing? You're gonna hang you you're.

Speaker 4 (32:24):
Gonna die on that cross? Sure?

Speaker 2 (32:26):
Sure, sure, no, I get that. That's that's fair boy.
It's a that's a tight rope to walk. It is,
it is, But did you go ahead?

Speaker 5 (32:36):
The bottom line is that the reason we he's doing
there is a support sea. Like the locker room will
be cleaned every single day, two three times a day.
If he's like, yo, man, we don't have to be
animals in here, right, Like don't cut your tape off,
which happens and throw it in the middle of the room.

(32:57):
It's trash cans. Every every three feet there's a trash can.
So like you're consciously just throwing your tape on the ground,
You're consciously just throwing your used towel on the ground.
Like that's a you, that's a that's a personal issue.

(33:18):
The respect. Let's not be spoiled brats. We haven't won
anything in a long time, so have responsibility for yourself,
which translate to how you conduct yourself on the field,
how you carry yourself. That's why guys have to wear suits.
They used to have to wear suits because this is

(33:39):
a business trip. You are there entertain top and some
shorts and you get off the plane. You you you
look like you're going to hang out at the beach.
So it's a it's it's it's a personal accountability thing.
And I'm really okay with that. I really am.

Speaker 3 (33:59):
Have you watched to off season Hard Knocks with the
New York Giants.

Speaker 4 (34:03):
No, I haven't watched it yet.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
Okay, you know, part of what I'm thinking might be
shaded a little bit by that. It was fascinating access
Man to check out how a draft actually comes together,
what the phone calls sound like between teams when they're
talking about trade possibilities, what the phone calls sound like

(34:25):
between a GM and an agent during free agency, And
when I look at the way the draft came together
and the way teams. Not that the Bears were never
going anywhere. The Bears were taking Caleb Williams, but I
have a perception of when we're gonna go top three
or top five quarterback. We got to be like obsessed

(34:49):
with that guy obsessed. I'm not giving that pick up.
That's my quarterback, that's my chance. And there was a
lot of dangling this and dangling that, and should we
go get a quarterback, should we stay where we are?
I don't know, like just and it made me feel

(35:10):
like the teams didn't even necessarily fully believe in what
they were doing themselves in some cases, in some cases,
and so I got again, all I did was watch
HBO Max, but I got one eyebrow up on those
top three quarterbacks specifically because it felt to me like

(35:34):
the Marvin Harrison juniors and the Malik Neighbors of the world.

Speaker 3 (35:38):
Now, those were the sure things to me.

Speaker 4 (35:41):
But that's less pressure. Sure, that's less pressure.

Speaker 3 (35:45):
So with that.

Speaker 5 (35:46):
Greatness is at that quarterback position doesn't happen out the
gate much.

Speaker 4 (35:52):
But it does but not much.

Speaker 3 (35:54):
Yeah, no, no, no, I hear that. All right?

Speaker 2 (35:56):
Not done with this conversation, but also we get to
Team USA hoops coming up next.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
You're listening to.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
Fox Sports Radio Radio looking at that first round of
the NFL Draft. I mentioned Harrison Junior, I mentioned Malik Neighbors.
I'm also a real big Roma Donda guy. Real big
love his game, love the way he came off, looks
like somebody that's got the head really really screwed on straight.

Speaker 3 (36:27):
Now it's a TV show, so who knows, but big
fan there. And then meantime you bring in who I
would probably tab as the elder statesman of current great
receivers in the NFL in Keenan Allen, and you've got

(36:48):
your your standalone weapon from years past. And DJ Moore,
who you just broke off an absolute fortune too. That's
threec receivers with a real.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
Name imprint, and that ain't easy in the NFL to
make sure that all of them are feeling a certain
way because they are receivers and they can't have the
ball unless someone gives it to them. And your quarterbacks
never played in the NFL before, tell me how that.

Speaker 3 (37:25):
Works out it.

Speaker 5 (37:28):
First of all, it should be very comforting for Bears,
you know, organization and fans, and especially for Caleb Williams
when you have that level of talent at your disposal.
They also bolstered the offensive line. They did the things

(37:49):
that they hadn't done previous years for previous regimes of quarterbacks. Right,
They pretty much let justin fields just go out there
and try to figure it out himself.

Speaker 4 (38:00):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (38:01):
In terms of the a level of talent that was
surrounding him, starting with up front, it's hard to get
settled when you know you got people at your feet.
So to that point, there is going to be a
learning curve. There's going to be difficult. I'm interested to
see how they're going to move forward with him in

(38:24):
in in preseason because I think he needs to get
as many reps as possible. Now I know, you know,
the receiving corps, the veteran guy, they won't be available
for him maybe the third preseason game or how many

(38:44):
preseason games is now?

Speaker 4 (38:46):
Is it three or four?

Speaker 3 (38:47):
Three Hall of Fame game?

Speaker 4 (38:49):
Right? Right?

Speaker 2 (38:50):
But you know we're talking Bears and he didn't play right,
which I would.

Speaker 4 (38:54):
It shocked me a little bit.

Speaker 5 (38:55):
I thought to give him a series early on, just
to get the energy of of game situation. I thought
that would have been conducive to his growth. They chose
not to do it. Okay, whatever that is, that's fine.
But the more he plays outside of practice, the better

(39:16):
it will be for him. Because there is no stay
off the quarterback in the preseason.

Speaker 4 (39:23):
It's literally you gotta be able.

Speaker 5 (39:27):
To survive the fire, because the fire is coming, it's
going to get hot in that kitchen. And in the
preseason it's you know, ten times slower than the regular season,
even more than that. So I would like to just
keep an eye on how they're going to approach his

(39:49):
playing time. I don't think he's one in one of
those situations where we're just gonna wait till the regular season.
We're not going to have any of the starters. We
can't do that. It's too much on the line there,
too much has been done this offseason to bolster that team,
and so I think they should really get to trying

(40:10):
to play as live a football as you can with
these three preseason games left. So I would I would
run him hard these next two and let him rest
the third one.

Speaker 4 (40:22):
That's my opinion. Yep, like run him hard.

Speaker 5 (40:26):
I'm talking about first game, he plays a half, second game,
he plays a half and comes out the third quarter
and plays a couple series. Like I would, I would
run him hard like that because essentially he won't be
playing against starting defenses and all of that, so you
would want to see him just in action in terms

(40:47):
of being able to make the right reads and throw
receivers open and all of the new ones that comes
with being an NFL quarterback opposed to a college quarterback.

Speaker 2 (40:58):
Yeah, I'm with you in terms of how to play it.
But I also just just when I go back through
the top ten in the NFL Draft, there are some players,
and maybe this is an unfair comparison, there are some
players I have so much confidence in in terms of
what they're going to be in the NFL, and none

(41:19):
of them play quarterback. And that was half of the
top ten, half of the top ten. And I do again,
I think the best one of the group in the end,
just my prediction doesn't mean much, But the best one
in the end is the one who we're barely going
to see this year, and that's Michael Pennix.

Speaker 3 (41:39):
We'll see, we'll see.

Speaker 2 (41:40):
Speaking of too many big names and a ball to
go around, let me ask you this because you know,
for people who don't know you played in the NFL,
but if you know the big fella, this is actually
a hooper that I'm talking to right here on the
other end. And so team USA basketball, and this is
maybe inspired by comments made by Shaq, but I think

(42:03):
we've all sort of felt this. I predicted before the
Olympics started, the Team USA will not win gold, and
in this moment that's.

Speaker 3 (42:12):
Looking like a foolish pick. We'll see.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
We all know about how the world is caught up
and complacency in all of this. But Shaq made a
comment about like, I'm not gonna be impressed. I'm not
gonna be in prossed unless they unless they all they
win all their games by twenty plus, and maybe they will.
But there's something missing in this process with Team USA basketball,

(42:40):
the Olympics, the.

Speaker 3 (42:41):
Whole idea of doing what we're doing. What's the win?

Speaker 2 (42:47):
I've almost become so beaten down by the process of
names that big playing in the Olympics to where it
seems like one of two things will happen. Either they
win gold and people will be like, Yon, you have

(43:08):
all the good players, or you don't win gold and
then you're a disgrace because you didn't win gold. So
exactly what are we doing here? What's the point? What's
the concept? What's the win? I don't I really don't
see it.

Speaker 5 (43:23):
Well, I could tell you what it is. It's uh,
what is it? It's pride, pride in country, It's what
the Olympics is about.

Speaker 3 (43:31):
I mean, I think we've got too much of it though,
is my point.

Speaker 5 (43:35):
Yeah, but you got to remember this is we can't
look at this like the NBA scale. We're looking at
this like the world game. This is the World Olympics.
Everybody is being represented here and we're one of those teams. Yeah,
you can yawn and like, oh, well we're supposed to
win and all that, but if you've been watching these

(43:56):
games like I've been watching these games, you can see
that it is not a foe gone conclusion for the
US to win gold. Like we've seen teams come out
and be like, oh this the's no team they can
beat them. Now watching other teams, I'm like, oh, okay, well,

(44:18):
you know even the South Sudans who are who are
no longer in the tournament, right, just the level of
talent that they have their brand new nation. When you
look at Puerto Rico and what Alvarado is doing there
and how he's galvanized those guys. Long stretches of these games, Uh,
the US is fight. They have to fight. It's not

(44:40):
it's not easy, it's not we coming. We're starting out
twenty four to zero, right when you when you're playing
against Serbia, who has the you know, three time league MVP.
When you playing against Canada, who hasn't lost yet and
they have five NBA starters in their starting five plus
some other guys on the bench. This is now about

(45:01):
It's not so much about you. I mean we're supposed to.
Now it's about, hey, we have to continue to show
our dominance in this because in Foeba we did not right.
We were embarrassed. Well but see there you go, we
were embarrassed.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
Like, I think what you're saying is true, but I
think it gets overwhelmed by perception. I don't think you're
going to sell to the American public. Yeah, if they
win and if it's close, it's amazing. It's an unbelievable
accomplishment because these other teams are good. Now, I just

(45:39):
don't think that that makes its way to the sports bars.
The bottom line is, dude, you have Steph lebron em
Bead Tatum.

Speaker 3 (45:49):
And all, like, what are we doing?

Speaker 2 (45:52):
Like the perception is I don't care if Yo gets
placed for someone else, it doesn't matter. The perception is
it's no different in fact that I think it's a
it's a steroid version of the Kevin Durant Warriors and
I and I lived it, dude, Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 (46:10):
But the difference is there's no role players on the
US Olympic team.

Speaker 4 (46:14):
That's a difference.

Speaker 5 (46:18):
I'm watching through a basketball lens, so I'm watching like essentially,
I watch all the NBA game games, not like a fan,
but through a basketball lens. So one of the toughest
things you can do. The best teams that have ever
played in the NBA have They have superstars, and they

(46:40):
have dynamic, tremendous role players, of course, dynamic and tremendous.
What happens when you have all all stars, when you
have all alphas who no one on their team outside
of Derek White plays as the support staff essentially.

Speaker 3 (47:03):
Well, I'll tell you what you get.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
You get an international incident when one of them gets benched,
That's what you get.

Speaker 5 (47:09):
Well, that's just what happens, right, Terrese Halliburton is barely playing,
and Jason Tatum didn't even play the first game, correct, right,
He just wanted the title. So more goes into putting
together a championship gold medal team than they got. All

(47:30):
the talent it's got to the teams they're playing, have
been playing outside of the NBA. Guys have been playing
together for decades in some cases, I get it right.
And so once you add that level of NBA talent
to these countries, it just energizes and supersizes these teams,
which I love.

Speaker 4 (47:49):
I love for it.

Speaker 5 (47:52):
To be competitive on the world stage in terms of basketball.
I want us to win. I want them to win
every game by double digits. But I also love a tight,
close game because I know I guess what else, the
NBA loves it too. Where do you think all this
money from this, this new NBA deal is coming from.
Come on, now this they're they're taking the approach the

(48:14):
NFL is taking. In terms of a global brand, the
NBA is a bigger global brand than the NFL. I
know a lot of people are like, well, come on,
come on, it is a bigger global brand. You thank
you to Michael Jordan, y'all ming, all of the great
the Lebron James is, all of the Stefan Marlbury and

(48:35):
what he was able to do in China. Like, it's
a bigger global brand. That's why their TV rights deal
is so crazy, because now those games can be seen
in those other countries in real time through the streaming platforms.
This is the this is the evolution of the NBA

(48:57):
and the next step. That's why salaries continuing to go high.
And we look here in this country like anybody watching
the NBA till to the playoffs. Yeah, but around the
world they are and that's the whole point. So having
this level of competitive uh, these competitive games with the
best in the NBA on the world stage is only

(49:18):
increasing the brand dramatically. And I know, uh, Adam silver
is like yes please, yes, yes, yes.

Speaker 3 (49:26):
Yeah, thank you, can I have another?

Speaker 2 (49:28):
You're still not gonna get the party goers with a
beer in there right now. You're not gonna like it's
gonna be if if Team USA doesn't win it all
and doesn't win at all convincingly, it's gonna be called
a joke.

Speaker 5 (49:41):
Well it's I don't know if it'll be called a joke,
because the gold medal is a gold medal.

Speaker 6 (49:46):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (49:46):
And you gotta remember this isn't the first time that
the you know, the US has won gold and had
to fight remember those Spain teams of course, you know,
Kobe Bryant having to be unworldly and and and uh
Carmelo Anthony having to to to summon you know, outside

(50:06):
of Kevin Durant. Uh, Carmelo Anthony was the greatest Olympian
basketball player of all times. Kevin Durant just passed him
and scoring and rebounding and stuff like that this year.
And and and so when you look at that level
that you have to to play, so you can't just

(50:26):
walk out there, and we see that a lot in
these early games. The US just walks on in and
they find themselves down ten to two in the first period.
And so you know, their talent, their the leadership of
Lebron James. If Lebron James is not on this team,
they're not winning like this. That's that's what I'm getting
out of it. If he's not on this team, they're

(50:49):
not winning like this. So uh, it's it's still their
leadership still matters, you know. And and I'm I'm excited.
I'm looking forward to the to the knockout stages in
these games and hopefully we'll be you know, celebrating Saturday
for the gold medal game.

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Speaker 2 (52:42):
So certain people in life, not just athletes, but you know,
athletes are what pops to my brain. The most certain
people in life kind of get to that point where
you would never say anymore. Oh my god, I can't
believe he said that, cause they're just the like Connor McGregor,
you would never be like I can't believe, he said.

Speaker 3 (53:01):
Of course, you can believe he.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
Said, he'll say anything, and we've certainly gone well past
that time with Draymond Green.

Speaker 3 (53:11):
No, yes, we can believe he said that.

Speaker 2 (53:15):
Because he always says it, and because we also are
not dumb. We understand what he's doing at this point
in his career, and he's preparing himself for his post
basketball playing career, and that makes all the sense in
the world. I hold nothing against him for that podcast
National NBA TV. We'll see where.

Speaker 3 (53:36):
That all goes.

Speaker 2 (53:38):
But he made a comment a few weeks ago that
I thought wouldn't have landed well with general manager Mike.

Speaker 3 (53:46):
Dunlevy if I were Mike Dunlevy.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
Where he went on and I forget who the NBA
Players podcast.

Speaker 3 (53:53):
It was because everybody's.

Speaker 4 (53:55):
Got one now.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
But he went on another NBA player's podcast and essentially
said like, I'm still looking out for the organization. I
know there might be trades that help me and Steph
right now, but I'm honest with the organization, and I
tell him if that's a bad trade, Like we were
about to make a trade last week, and I told

(54:16):
him that's a bad trade. And I was like, oh
my god, You're You're making the GM sound like he's
an intern coming to you and asking how you like
your coffee. Like he's making it look like he's fully
in charge. I thought, this is a little bit of
a slippery slope that Draymond is on.

Speaker 3 (54:37):
I understand how comfortable he is. What about this?

Speaker 2 (54:41):
So this is from his own podcast, The Draymond Green Show,
and this is how he reacts to the benching of
Jason Tatum in an Olympic game. Subsequently, Joe l Embiid
gets benched as well.

Speaker 3 (54:54):
Take a listen to what Draymond said.

Speaker 6 (54:55):
What I don't like about it is now, to me,
it feels like I could cover in my tracks, like
proving a point and type thing to where like, oh
now Joel's out of the lineup, and then today Drew
didn't play. And I'm sure it's part we could rest
the ankle a little bit, but it's part we gotta
not play someone.

Speaker 3 (55:14):
And quite frankly, I don't like it. Come up with
a rotation and stick with it. These teams aren't.

Speaker 6 (55:18):
Good enough to where we're trying to match their lineup.

Speaker 3 (55:22):
We gotta match our lineup.

Speaker 6 (55:23):
We're not matching they lineup, by the way, because we
got the best players in the world.

Speaker 4 (55:28):
We're gonna match they lineup anyway.

Speaker 3 (55:30):
With whoever we got on the court. We'll be fine.

Speaker 6 (55:33):
So the whole like match their lineup or you know,
this guy out of the lineup and not disagree with
it that you have to You don't have to worry
about because he is in the start. He's cool with
not being in the start lineup, because if he wasn't cool,
he'd be in the star lineup.

Speaker 3 (55:48):
It's Kevin Durant.

Speaker 4 (55:49):
Just lock the lineups here, the whole.

Speaker 6 (55:51):
Switching this guy out now, this guy ain't gonna play
this game.

Speaker 3 (55:53):
And that guy like what we doing coaching? Y'allies? Who
he's talking about, right? I mean, I have real questions
not about should he have said it. Shouldn't he have

(56:14):
said it?

Speaker 2 (56:16):
Oh my god, Draymond's talking about Steve Kerr, that's his coach.

Speaker 3 (56:21):
Eve.

Speaker 2 (56:22):
To me, this lands, This lands as Draymond not being
a good team player has nothing to do with Team USA,
has to do with the Golden State Warriors, because we
are now repetitively, in a very comfortable way, heading out
into a public space to continually criticize the front office,

(56:47):
the head coaching staff, robbing them of their credibility.

Speaker 3 (56:52):
How does that help you? Is my question.

Speaker 5 (56:58):
It doesn't. It doesn't help him, It doesn't serve him well.
But you're going to adjust your lineup based on who
you're playing. That's what coaching does. That's what coaching does.
And when you're playing different countries, not teams that you've

(57:23):
played for the last five six years, they may have
one or two extra pieces or whatever that is. You know,
you have a book on them, you know what they
like to do. You're no, You're going to adjust the
lineup based on who you're playing so you can capitalize

(57:45):
on what you do best.

Speaker 4 (57:48):
Period.

Speaker 5 (57:49):
That's what coaching is. So yeah, sometimes Joel and b
doesn't need to start because he's slow and you have
a team like Puerto Rico who likes to run up
and down the court, then you need more quickness, right,

(58:09):
you need more abilities to yourself get out and transition.
But if you play a team like Serbia who has
bigs in the middle, starting with the best big in
the NBA, then yeah, you start Joel and b I'm

(58:29):
to bang against right, Right, That's.

Speaker 4 (58:33):
What coaching is.

Speaker 3 (58:34):
I mean, he said, know that the Golden State Warriors
better than anyone.

Speaker 5 (58:39):
Yeah, make more adjustments based on who's gonna start and
who's not gonna start than anybody.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
Oh and we got the Steve Kurr lineup police out
after every game all year long already as it is,
which is kind of part of my point. Like, nowhere
near done with this. Let's keep going with it. But
you know you're talking. Sometimes you need a big, some
times you need quickness.

Speaker 3 (59:01):
Sometimes you just need an update.

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Speaker 2 (59:16):
And by the way, from I don't know if you
saw this, the Noah Lyles thing is great for anybody
who hasn't seen the clip of the men's one. It's breathtaking.
First place to last place was separated.

Speaker 3 (59:29):
What did he say? By a tenth of a second.

Speaker 2 (59:32):
The whole thing is absolutely bananas to watch all the
racers come through and then just stop and they're all
looking up at the stadium board.

Speaker 3 (59:43):
Nobody knows who's won, Nobody for like a good solid
thirty seconds, they're all just standing.

Speaker 10 (59:49):
The announcer gave the wrong winner, actually said Jamaica takes
the gold.

Speaker 2 (59:53):
Col It wasn't Steve Harvey. Did Steve Harvey announce the winner?

Speaker 3 (59:57):
Sorry?

Speaker 10 (59:58):
This happened with Charlie Jones in the and Pixie gave
the wrong winner. Remember he used to do NFL for
so many years for NBAC. Yeah, he missed the eight
hundred meters one year.

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
Did you all see what Emmanuelaccho tweeted in recapping the
Noah Lyles race, where he mentions what place Noah is
in at every ten meter mark of the entire race.
At forty meters, eighth place, fifty meters, seventh place, moves

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to third for both sixty seventy and eighty meters, moves
into second place at ninety meters and at one hundred
meters gold medalists.

Speaker 3 (01:00:39):
Wow. Crazy.

Speaker 10 (01:00:41):
And by the way, the TV ratings on the Olympics
have just been phenomenal so now, and not just the gymnastics,
I mean the primetime stuff. If you add it's mostly NBC,
but add up the streaming and the cable channels. Primetime
of last night averaged thirty four point six million. This
is for any TV show in sports. These are the

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largest audiences since the Rose Bowl all year.

Speaker 3 (01:01:07):
Yeah. Yeah, that makes non NFL. I mean, that's what
I was gonna say.

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
That's why they don't have the Fall Olympic Games, because
nobody would watch if this was going up against the NFL.

Speaker 5 (01:01:18):
And the crazy part is that those primetime numbers, all
of that stuff we're watching in primetime has already happened.

Speaker 3 (01:01:27):
Appened.

Speaker 10 (01:01:27):
The women's gymnastic week from Tuesday had a larger audience
on a Tuesday morning than the NFL Draft first round
this year.

Speaker 3 (01:01:36):
So crazy, that's big. That's big, I mean, And.

Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
What it also says is what you like, thirty six
million viewers, there's that many people in this world not
on social.

Speaker 3 (01:01:47):
Media, right, because those people are all.

Speaker 5 (01:01:51):
Like, gee, the one's gonna happen even if you know,
you still want to see it.

Speaker 10 (01:01:55):
That's the thing I mean, like tonight, like one hundred
tonight that you're talking no.

Speaker 3 (01:01:59):
Doubt, no doubt. Okay, great stuff, Steve. Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
We're not done with that Draymond conversation, so we will
circle back to that coming up in just a moment.
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Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
We'll let you here again in just a sec. What
Draymondgreen said with regard to Steve kerrz lineups and rotations
with Team USA. I mean, there's two things here. There's
the Draymond side of it. But for just a sec
to kind of rewind back to what I was saying
earlier in the hour, Ephram is I have a hard

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time seeing what the win is for Team USA because
if you lose, it's a disgrace. If you win, you
were supposed to and people are just kind of like, yeah,
that's right.

Speaker 3 (01:03:04):
And then that's it and they move on.

Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
And what that's based in is ego, and I get
it right, Like even the way we've all been talking
about Team USA in all the sports for the last hour, like, oh,
look at us, the big bad Americans.

Speaker 3 (01:03:20):
We've got all the medals.

Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
It's like, right, like look at our country, We've got
all the money, Like some of these other countries don't
have shoes, and we're like, look at us, we can.

Speaker 3 (01:03:30):
Run faster than you.

Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
So like that's part of this view of the whole
Team USA experience that I think is based solely in ego.
And it's what Draymond was saying when he's talking about
these rotations. He's not talking about what's the best basketball move.

(01:03:52):
He's essentially saying, you can't bench Jason Tatum and Joel
Embiid because they're Jason Tatum and Joel Embiid. And I'm
like everybody on the team is kind of that guy.
So why why can the coaching staff not coach?

Speaker 5 (01:04:10):
Yeah, it just it just seems out of place. Adjustments
are adjustments, as you know, everybody's not going to play,
especially in the Olympics, considerable minutes.

Speaker 4 (01:04:24):
You're going to stick with the people.

Speaker 5 (01:04:28):
That gel together based on need, based on who you're playing,
all of these things that coaches know, and so to
have somebody on the outside looking in giving their hot
take on what you can't do as a coach that
happens to be your coach championship winning coach, there's obviously

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something beneath the criticism, as you allude to.

Speaker 3 (01:05:02):
Let's let everybody hear one more time.

Speaker 2 (01:05:04):
Here's Draymond Green on his own podcast reacting to Jason
Tatum being benched.

Speaker 3 (01:05:09):
Followed by Joe l Embii being benched.

Speaker 6 (01:05:12):
What I don't like about it is now, to me,
it feels like a cover in my tracks, like proving
a point and type thing to where like, oh now
Joel's out of the lineup, and then today Drew didn't play.
And I'm sure it's part we could rest the ankle
a little bit, but it's part we gotta not play someone.

Speaker 3 (01:05:30):
And quite frankly, I don't like it. Come up with
a rotation and stick with it.

Speaker 6 (01:05:34):
These teams aren't good enough to where we're trying to
match their lineup.

Speaker 3 (01:05:38):
They gotta match our lineup. We're not matching they lineup.

Speaker 6 (01:05:41):
By the way, because we got the best players in
the world, were gonna match they lineup anyway with whoever
we got on the court, We'll be fine. So the
whole like match their lineup or you know, this guy
out of the lineup and not disagree with it that
you have to You don't have to worry about because
he is in the start. He's cool with not being
in the star lineup because if he wasn't cool, he's

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being in a star lineup. It's Kevin Durant. Just lock
the lineups here, the whole switching this guy out. Now,
this guy gonna play this game? That guy, like, what
were we doing?

Speaker 4 (01:06:13):
So who plays? Who plays every game?

Speaker 3 (01:06:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:06:16):
Exactly, who plays every game? So listen to everybody, listen
apparently everybody. All right, let's name the stalwarts, right, steph Lebron, Lebron, Durant,
Durant ad and then you can bring in Now, Drew

(01:06:36):
Holliday did hurt his ankle, right, so you you do
rest Drew Holiday because he is an intricate part. But
Derek White is a tremendous You know that they are
in the vein of the same type of player, tremendous offense,

(01:06:57):
but also big time wing defenders. And then you look
at the rotation players, which happened to be Jason Tatum,
Juel Embi Bam is also one of those games of
guys who plays a lot because he's up and down
the court.

Speaker 4 (01:07:18):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:07:18):
He gives you a big that's mobile and they can
run and they can push the ball down the court.
But when you look at the cord seven guys that
play right, Anthony Edwards is one of those guys, then
you got a great group. And then depending on if
you need a power big and B is in, but

(01:07:41):
if not, just watching him, watching him B with that
knee brais lumber up and down the court in a
in a fast paced uh European game or you know
why would why why?

Speaker 2 (01:07:58):
The worst part of the is when he essentially suggests
that Steve Kerr and the staff are covering their butt
and now they're benching people to cover for benching people
in previous games.

Speaker 3 (01:08:11):
Like now we're really talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:08:15):
You know, messing around with the Olympic lineup, like to
cover their own pr I can't believe this story is
not getting more coverage. This is an NBA star accusing
his own coach of going out in representing America and
messing with the lineup to cover his own.

Speaker 5 (01:08:36):
Pr Nobody's talking about it because it's too much going on.

Speaker 3 (01:08:41):
I would be so offended if I were Steve Kerr.

Speaker 5 (01:08:44):
I'm sure Steve Curry. Look, this isn't This isn't the
first thing they now, Drake, I've just done something to
offend Stephen Kerr or are the organizations?

Speaker 3 (01:08:59):
So this is actually exaccular.

Speaker 2 (01:09:01):
I mean, I mean, he Hell, we read Steve's lips
years ago on the sideline when he told his assistant coach,
I'm so bleeping sick of Draymond.

Speaker 3 (01:09:10):
So you're absolutely, yeah, it's.

Speaker 5 (01:09:13):
They trust me. They're probably just like, okay, anyway, there's
but but look, that's just what it is. That that is,
you know, that's Drake dray Mind gonna say what he
wants to say, to speak to you know, how he
wants to speak, and and that's him. And so this

(01:09:33):
is this isn't shocking. It's not surprising. You know, not
having Clay there has rubbed him the wrong way, of
course obviously, and so you know, as players get older, uh,
and they've had success in the in the in the
franchise then they believe that they're part of the decision

(01:09:57):
making and there's only one player on that part of
the decision making and stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:10:02):
That's that is absolutely correct, all right?

Speaker 2 (01:10:04):
Coming up next back to the NFL, brock Perty wants
to shed the game manager label.

Speaker 3 (01:10:09):
That's next.

Speaker 9 (01:10:10):
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Speaker 2 (01:10:23):
The idea of what they're talking about in Eli Manning's
Hall of Fame candidacy, or even just the way people
talk about Eli Manning.

Speaker 3 (01:10:31):
I mean, I already went off.

Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
To start the show about like I don't understand why
everybody freaks out about the guys that are supposedly like
maybe Hall of famers.

Speaker 3 (01:10:42):
Is there a debate? Like whatever? If they get in,
they get in, And Eli Manning is not a debate.
He's getting in. But one of the points that was.

Speaker 2 (01:10:50):
Fascinating that was brought up, and I think it was
Buyer who said it, He's like, you know, if we're all,
if we're all just going to assume and accept the
idea that Tom Brady is the goat and we're going
to parade around with that number seven super Bowl rings

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and we attach.

Speaker 3 (01:11:13):
That to him.

Speaker 2 (01:11:14):
But then Eli, who only has two, I'll grant you that,
but Eli's will Now, those were defense, Those were defense.
The New York Giants had a great defense. As if
Tom Brady's first Super Bowl didn't come with him throwing

(01:11:36):
under two hundred yards and winning a game twenty to seventeen,
As if he didn't beat the Rams thirteen to three
one year for a Super Bowl ring? Why do we
pick and choose who gets a quarterback win? Seemingly in

(01:11:57):
a way where it's just like if we boy, if
we think that quarterback is really good.

Speaker 3 (01:12:02):
Well then he gets the win.

Speaker 2 (01:12:04):
And if not, then we're gonna we're gonna give it
to someone else. We watched everybody do this just last year.
Patrick Mahomes did it again. Not really, not really.

Speaker 3 (01:12:17):
That was the driving over time was the first one
he went into the whole game, first touchdown drive.

Speaker 2 (01:12:25):
The only other touchdown they had was when the forty
nine ers fumbled deep.

Speaker 3 (01:12:28):
In the zone.

Speaker 4 (01:12:28):
Yeah, their defense saved them last year.

Speaker 2 (01:12:31):
Their defense saved their Bacon a Ton. Chris Jones again
again was the guy who won the Super Bowl so anyway,
you get what I'm getting at. How do we pick
and choose who gets the quarterback win and who doesn't.

Speaker 4 (01:12:45):
It's the likability factor. Okay, that's what it is.

Speaker 5 (01:12:50):
I mean, people didn't like Eli coming out of college
because they strong armed the Chargers.

Speaker 4 (01:13:00):
And went to the Giants. So that in itself.

Speaker 5 (01:13:05):
Oh, by the way, it's the younger brother of one
of the great quarterbacks.

Speaker 3 (01:13:09):
Yep.

Speaker 5 (01:13:09):
So your argument is going to be skewed based on
whether you like someone or not. You do it in basketball,
whether you like Lebron James or not, is going to
be heavily waging on how you speak about him. Right,
If you like you know t O, if you like

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any of the you know, these great players, especially quarterbacks,
it's going to skew how you speak about him, how
you view their accomplishments.

Speaker 3 (01:13:49):
Let me let me.

Speaker 2 (01:13:49):
Let me ask you then, like who in the NFL
today is suffering from unlikability?

Speaker 3 (01:13:56):
Russell Wilson, Okay, sure, sure, there's Ross.

Speaker 5 (01:14:00):
Yeah, I mean, if you look at his numbers, they're
on par with any other year, any other year. He
was exactly the same person he's been his entire career.

Speaker 4 (01:14:18):
But he's washed.

Speaker 5 (01:14:22):
Well that's it's a lot that goes into not having success.

Speaker 4 (01:14:30):
Right, There's a lot that goes into that.

Speaker 3 (01:14:34):
It does.

Speaker 2 (01:14:35):
It does get everybody's attention when you start hearing former
teammates right, well, yeah, yeah, Hamm and Hall and throw
out some different things like that. That gets my attention
because that's those are people who are in the know.

Speaker 5 (01:14:48):
Likability sure, so you know, it's it's a situation that
and it's just it's really human nature. It's human nature, right,
skill aside. Your view on someone and their worth is
skewed based on if you like them or not.

Speaker 3 (01:15:10):
Well, I would look around the league right now and say,
there's probably only three quarterbacks currently. I think you tell
me if I'm missing one, maybe a fourth. But I
don't really think he gets this label a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:15:24):
But there's three quarterbacks in the NFL who currently are on.

Speaker 3 (01:15:28):
Teams that win like they're having success, yet they are
referred to as game managers.

Speaker 2 (01:15:39):
And one of the quarterbacks I'm thinking about. It's a
little bit of a weird argument because it's Kirk Cousins.
He doesn't win primetime games. Supposedly, he also didn't win
last year. He also pretty much didn't play last year.
The year before that, he won thirteen games, but then
he lost in the playoffs. The other one is Jared

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Goff been to a super Bowl, has just been paid
north of fifty million dollars per year, took his team
to the brink of the super Bowl this year, and
I'd argue decisions, well, but they weren't his decision and
his decision. Yeah, by the way, quick aside. You know
how you and I keep every week we've been talking

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about the receiver doc on that.

Speaker 3 (01:16:25):
I finished it. I finished it, and.

Speaker 2 (01:16:28):
Oh my god, if you thought one thing about Dan
Campbell's decisions before watching this documentary, go watch the documentary.

Speaker 3 (01:16:40):
It gets worse. What are you doing in slow motion?

Speaker 2 (01:16:47):
You're like, there's no way he did that, But he
did that twice.

Speaker 6 (01:16:54):
You know what.

Speaker 2 (01:16:54):
You know what really caught me on all of that
was the facial expressions.

Speaker 3 (01:17:00):
Man, the Detroit Lions.

Speaker 2 (01:17:02):
They were like they were twenty four to seven and
they were going to the super Bowl. They were on
their way, they were going, and then all of a sudden,
the whole sideline collectively eight rotten eggs together, and everybody
had that look on their face the whole second half, like,
oh god, what's happening. And Dan's still running up and

(01:17:22):
down the yet, boy, it's that we do it.

Speaker 3 (01:17:24):
Here we go, we go. I have faith in my home.

Speaker 4 (01:17:28):
Off god awful, awful.

Speaker 3 (01:17:30):
Horrific decisions. Okay. So back to Jared.

Speaker 2 (01:17:36):
Jared golf actually on some of those fourth downs through
really good passes that got dropped by his receivers. It's
a good player gets labeled. And you know the third guy,
brock Party. All right, what's unlikable about those three.

Speaker 5 (01:17:54):
What's unlikable about brock Party is being myster irrelevant and
that should be liable. It will it will be, it
will turn into that, okay, because you got to remember
early in Tom Brady's success, he didn't get any of

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the credit.

Speaker 3 (01:18:15):
Sure, that's true.

Speaker 5 (01:18:16):
He didn't get any of the credit. It was the
defense and it was a coach period, that's just what
it was. It wasn't until he continued that that he
became Oh well it's him, yeah, right, So that's the
course that Brock perties on.

Speaker 3 (01:18:36):
Now.

Speaker 4 (01:18:37):
Of course he has to win one of these things
at least.

Speaker 5 (01:18:41):
So that's that's why that's like that. Now, the Kirk
Cousins thing is it goes back to Washington, Washington didn't
want them, they didn't like him, and that narrative of him,
you like that, like all of that follows it, right,
And because he hasn't one, he's put up tremendous numbers.

Speaker 4 (01:19:02):
Yeah, won a bunch of games.

Speaker 5 (01:19:06):
Now people are like you like that that, they're looking
to throw it back in your face, right, So that
puts him on the you know, not likable scale.

Speaker 3 (01:19:18):
Jared Goff. I don't know why they don't like Jared
Goff just because somebody, I mean same things.

Speaker 4 (01:19:26):
Somebody didn't want him. Somebody didn't want.

Speaker 3 (01:19:28):
Him, and his replacement came in and did win the
whole banana.

Speaker 5 (01:19:32):
So it immediately makes you be like, oh, well maybe
it's not that good man. But if you just really
watch them all three of these quarterbacks that we mentioned,
they are unbelievable. Brock Purdy's numbers and twenty seven starts is.

Speaker 3 (01:19:49):
It's crazy, it's out of control.

Speaker 5 (01:19:52):
It's if he keeps this up, he's going to be
in the conversation as the all time one of the
all time greats. Think about that, right in twenty seven,
if he can keep this up, he'll be In ten years,
we'll be talking about brock Purdy as one of the
all time great quarterbacks. But people don't want to they

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don't want to live in that right now. They're waiting
for the other shoe to drop. Sure, they're still waiting
for the other shoe to drop for Kirk Cousins and
he's been doing it for over a decade. They're still
waiting for the other shoe to drop for Jared Golf.
So the expectation that that shoe coming off sooner or
later keeps people in that mindset of.

Speaker 4 (01:20:40):
It's okay, But I mean Eli Manning fits that. That's
how people see Eli. He'll never be Peyton. You hear
that he's never gonna be his brother what not. Many
people are right next to me, one who is paid Manning. Yeah,

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paid Many changed football. I mean paid Manny changed football,
no question, at the quarterback position.

Speaker 5 (01:21:09):
Paid Many completely changed how you run your offense and
what you do offensively from the quarterback position.

Speaker 2 (01:21:16):
And that that's my question, is when you pile up wins,
certain qbs are credited with those wins. Certain qbs we
have to come up and sometimes it feels like people
are really flexing muscles, they're really trying, they're searching.

Speaker 3 (01:21:32):
They got to google some ways to figure out why
that quarterback didn't have anything to do with that win.
You know what I mean? Like it is, it's wild
to the point where people seem to see things that
aren't happening and don't see things that are.

Speaker 2 (01:21:48):
When I hear people talk about some of these qb
while it's dink and dunk, I mean, he's just throwing
the ball two yards away from him and letting the
runners run all over the place. It's like, did you
miss the constant scrambling and ad libbing that's happening all
over the place. Like brock Perty doesn't beat the Packers

(01:22:09):
in the in the NFC playoffs last year. If he
doesn't use his legs, well he's dinking, he's dunk. What
do we It's just fascinating and it brings me to this.
He's starting to talk about it a little bit more openly.
He publicly stated this week, I want to shed this label,

(01:22:31):
and I want to ask you if that's a good
thing or a bad thing that he's acknowledging it. We'll
get to that coming up next with you from Salama
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you're gonna feel about this, but I did find it interesting. Normally,
especially a brock Purty type quarterbacks kind of do the
whole awe shucks thing when it's like, oh, you know,

(01:24:59):
Cam Newton says you're a game manager. Ah, we're not
worried about that, you know. I mean, I do have
a lot of great players around me and good play calling,
and I just want to make the right decision, and
like that's normally the thing, well, brock Purdy, who has
a lot more like dog in.

Speaker 3 (01:25:18):
Him than he looks like. I always say he looks
like go to your local high school at three o'clock
and watch kids walking home with a backpack.

Speaker 2 (01:25:27):
That's what brock Purdy reminds me of every time I
see him. He looks like a kid walking home from school.
But he's got a.

Speaker 3 (01:25:34):
Lot more dog in him.

Speaker 2 (01:25:35):
And he bulked up this offseason, and he's openly talking
about shedding the label. And there's a tiny piece of
me that's torn about that. It's like, yeah, man, go
shed the label. But also like, really, are you worried
about the label?

Speaker 3 (01:25:50):
What do you think about that?

Speaker 4 (01:25:52):
I screw the label?

Speaker 5 (01:25:55):
You shouldn't be worried about the label, in my opinion,
because that'll once you start worrying about things or how
people perceive you, it takes you away from who you
are and what you've been doing. I would be like,

(01:26:15):
I don't care what they My goal is to win
the Super Bowl. Whether I fit into the mold of
the quarterback they want to see.

Speaker 4 (01:26:27):
Has no bearing.

Speaker 5 (01:26:29):
On who I am as a quarterback and what I'm
trying to do for this team. So if maybe I'm
not your cup of tea, but my goal is to
win the Super Bowl, and I'm continue to get better
and continue to lead this team best way I know how.

Speaker 4 (01:26:48):
That's how you answer that.

Speaker 5 (01:26:50):
Yeah, don't buy into how people perceive you, no matter.

Speaker 4 (01:26:54):
Who that is.

Speaker 3 (01:26:55):
Well, the quote is is that he wants to be dominant.

Speaker 2 (01:26:58):
And what worries me there is not the overall idea
of it. It's what does that mean on a certain play?
Do you start Brett Farv in this thing? Like, are
we now right? Are we trying to fit things into
windows that don't fit? Are we trying to keep things

(01:27:19):
alive longer than we should?

Speaker 3 (01:27:21):
Are we eliminating the idea of throwing the ball away?
Are we eliminating checkdowns?

Speaker 2 (01:27:27):
And obviously he's not going to do that all the time,
but if that thought is in the back of his mind.
I just look at the Niners as a whole this
year and in a way much much smaller level. But
there's a little bit of the dynamic we were just
talking about with Team USA.

Speaker 3 (01:27:47):
The only way they can go is down. Even though
they haven't won the Super.

Speaker 2 (01:27:52):
Bowl yet, the expectations are so through the roof the
name value is so high that you look at it
and you go, well, I mean, NFL.

Speaker 3 (01:28:03):
Seasons don't usually go that way. I don't know who the.

Speaker 2 (01:28:07):
Injured parties are going to be. I just know that
there will be some. You know, are they the key guys?

Speaker 3 (01:28:13):
They're absolute must left tackles, not even in camp. Their
receiver situation is not ideal.

Speaker 2 (01:28:24):
And if Brock takes that to be like, okay, time
to dominate.

Speaker 3 (01:28:31):
Well, that's that's not how you. I mean, you know this,
You've worked with Shanahan. That's that's not how that works.

Speaker 4 (01:28:39):
No, it's not.

Speaker 3 (01:28:40):
That's not how that works at all. That's the reverse
of how that works.

Speaker 5 (01:28:46):
Don't don't get caught up in people's perceptions of you.
That's not your responsibility. It's not your responsible. Your responsibility
is to lead the team and get back to the
super Bowl and win it this time.

Speaker 2 (01:29:08):
It's got to be tough to keep all this stuff
out out of your mind. I would imagine that really
was sure, of course, you know what I mean, And
it's not just the words that are out there.

Speaker 3 (01:29:18):
Now. We know what's looming.

Speaker 2 (01:29:20):
You know, he needs one more good year to probably
become the highest paid player in the history of the NFL.
That's probably what next offseason will bring.

Speaker 5 (01:29:31):
Yeah, And so you don't need to be trying to,
you know, discover new paths, right like you, you don't
need to be trying to go down this well.

Speaker 4 (01:29:43):
I'm going to show you.

Speaker 5 (01:29:46):
Don't worry about anything outside of that organization, because when
you start listening to them, you stop listening to you.

Speaker 3 (01:29:58):
So I like the idea. I like the idea of
getting better. Everybody should be trying to do that every time.
That's it, just get better. I'm just gonna get better, but.

Speaker 2 (01:30:07):
Never But but I'm also a big, big believer no
matter what you do in authenticity, which to me means
like keeping you keep it, Like, yes, keep getting better,
but keep doing what you do.

Speaker 5 (01:30:22):
If I have to hand the ball off in a
game in December thirty four times and pass at eighteen,
I'm okay with that. I'm okay with that. Rolls the
ball forty five times, I'm okay with that. Sure, that's it.

Speaker 4 (01:30:42):
Sure Other than that, what are we talking about?

Speaker 3 (01:30:48):
Yeah? I mean, you know, score more points than the
other team. Your numbers are going to be there, provided
that you.

Speaker 2 (01:30:56):
Just quite frankly, stay healthy and not off with those people.

Speaker 3 (01:31:01):
I mean, that is part of it. I'm certainly never
wanted to suggest that Brocks out there or any of
these quarterbacks are out there doing it by themselves.

Speaker 5 (01:31:10):
Yeah, you don't want to try to fit into the
category of Patrick Mahomes. You don't want to have to
just they've never had a running game.

Speaker 3 (01:31:26):
It's wild, isn't it.

Speaker 5 (01:31:27):
So you don't want to have to try to be
that guy. Because there's one Patrick Mahomes. It's only one.

Speaker 2 (01:31:36):
And even they clearly came out of last year, Like
I look at their offseason and I think to myself
where they won the Super Bowl for the second consecutive time. Everybody,
except for apparently the NFL top one hundred, everybody thinks
that Patrick Mahomes is the best thing in the NFL,
the most dominant thing in the NFL. He'd be the
number one overall pick if there were a redraft of

(01:31:58):
all the players. There's zero question about that. Everybody thinks that.
But even the Chiefs got to last offseason and went,
you know what, I think we need to give Pat
some new weapons.

Speaker 3 (01:32:10):
You think that that felt.

Speaker 2 (01:32:13):
A little wobbly, We probably should tighten that up a
little bet. Pretty tough Yeah, they went pretty hard at
the receiver position in the off season.

Speaker 5 (01:32:25):
And then because when you give someone like Patrick Mahomes
viable options, greatness happens. We saw what happen when you
paired Tom Brady with Randy Moss, greatness. Outside of losing
that Super Bowl, it was nothing you can do to

(01:32:47):
stop them, except for Eli Manning.

Speaker 1 (01:32:56):
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Speaker 3 (01:32:59):
Okay, okay, hey, there's it from Salaam.

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You'll see this show posted right after we get off
the air. We're not quite done yet. I always laugh
at the combine. I know sometimes they call it the
underwear Olympics now, which I think is funny. I also
think it's sometimes an odd setting where people decide who's

(01:33:55):
good at football by watching them not play football.

Speaker 3 (01:34:00):
That's just me.

Speaker 2 (01:34:01):
You've got all this tape of everything that these people
do on.

Speaker 3 (01:34:04):
A football field, then I get it. I get it.

Speaker 2 (01:34:06):
Let's see let's see you do this, let's see you
do that, let's meet you, let's run you through some drills.
I understand it. But if you put that above what
they actually look like on a football field, to me,
that's a little head scratching. But anyway, in watching hard
knocks with the New York Giants and watching them go
through the combine, there is the Xavier Worthy forty yard

(01:34:34):
dash experience and it is quite the experience. So the
wide receiver from Texas takes off and posts a four
two five forty, which is damn near the record held
by John Ross, which was at four to two to two,
and then there's this kind of discussion for a second

(01:34:56):
amongst coaches and staff and everything. They're like, man, he
do it again. Like usually guys don't want to do
it again. That was a good run, but boy, he
was close to the record. So some of the guys
were like, man, if I him, I do it again.
And then suddenly you get the announcement, Xavier is going
to do it again. He wants the record, and he

(01:35:16):
runs and bang he hits a four to two to two,
which ties John Ross's all time record, but it's unofficial,
so wait another few minutes. Actually the official time four
to one. He holds the record for the fastest forty
time three two one.

Speaker 3 (01:35:36):
Bang. He gets drafted by the Chiefs.

Speaker 2 (01:35:40):
And they also bring in Hollywood Brown, So Rashid Rice
and Travis Kelcey and now the fastest rookie on the
planet and Hollywood Brown. And that offense which last year
was just kind of fine if you really want to
go take a look at it. It was fine, but

(01:36:03):
not great, that offense run by Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes.
I don't know, he like, we're probably not talking about
the Chiefs enough. They got scarier after two rings.

Speaker 4 (01:36:16):
They did get scarier.

Speaker 5 (01:36:19):
But that's how you do it, right, That's how you
build long lasting dynasties. That's how you take advantage of
your most prized possession. And Patrick Mahomes, you want to
populate his world with all the things that he loves.

(01:36:39):
You want to make him smile, you want him to
be happy. Right, It's like being in a marriage, happy wife,
happy life, make him happy because in turn he will
make make you happy, and your value goes up. Everything. Yeah,

(01:37:09):
we're gonna go get another burner. We saw what you
could do with Tyreek Hill. Now does this kid have
the skill level of Tyreek Hill?

Speaker 4 (01:37:17):
Maybe not not yet, I mean probably not right, not
very many people do.

Speaker 3 (01:37:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:37:25):
So but.

Speaker 5 (01:37:27):
What we know is we're gonna have defenses thinking, Okay,
we got to put the test safety over the top.
Are he gonna blow the top off this thing? Which
and then then turns opened up the middle of the field.
It's basically all you want to do. So I like
what they've done. They got better, and I'm looking forward

(01:37:49):
to it. It's gonna be a great season. Man got
a lot a lot of stuff to figure out and
and see who's ready and who's not ready, and so
on and so forth.

Speaker 4 (01:37:58):
So I'm excited.

Speaker 2 (01:37:59):
I mean, Jim Harbad joins the division, I would imagine
that that team is going to have a completely different identity.
They dump both of their top receivers, they move on
from Austin Eckler, They grab the entire Ravens running back room,
bring him over there, And I would imagine that this
team that is, you know, even though they're not really

(01:38:21):
identified with Los Angeles there in the middle of Hollywood
and they wear powder blue, but they're going to be
much more black and blue as far as their identity
going forward. And maybe that is some sort of a
magic elixir for the Chiefs.

Speaker 3 (01:38:36):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:38:37):
The other two teams are still in like quarterback transition mode,
so they're not much of a threat. But I mean, yeah,
it's we got a lot of different things that we're
talking about in the NFL, but the bottom line is
somebody's got to figure out how to knock this one

(01:38:57):
team down a peg or else. The rest of this
is all just white noise, right, Yeah. I mean, if
I'm the Chiefs, I love how much attention the forty
nine ers get.

Speaker 3 (01:39:13):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:39:15):
It's almost like the forty nine ers won, but we
got the ring.

Speaker 3 (01:39:20):
Yeah, that's like, yeah, that's right, the noise.

Speaker 2 (01:39:25):
Oh, Brock's got muscles and he's gonna get sixty million.
And McCaffrey and Trent Williams and Brandon I Yuk and
Deebo and George are on Netflix and oh my god, Niners, Niners, Niners,
and the Chiefs just sitting there blowing on the back
of their.

Speaker 3 (01:39:39):
Fingernails, going, uh there we got weapons this time. Okay,
you know he gets boring in the NFL when the
Patriots did this, he gets boring. But yeah, no, I
mean until to someone knocks them down a peg.

Speaker 5 (01:40:01):
The rest of this stuff does not matter. It does not,
it doesn't. They will be the favorites, period. Chris Jones,
Patrick Mahomes. They they're winning Patrick. Is that good?

Speaker 3 (01:40:23):
Of course?

Speaker 2 (01:40:25):
Of course, And as mentioned, I mean it is, it's
a two horse race in that division. I'm still scratching
my head, especially again. You know, you and I talked
about that documentary. You come out of that documentary with
DeVante Adams and then find out that the Raiders really
didn't overwhelmingly address their quarterback room, right, is got to

(01:40:47):
be aside from the Cowboys doing absolutely nothing, they slept
through the offseason, Aside from that, the Raiders and the
quarterback room has got to be the head scratcher of
the entire offseason.

Speaker 3 (01:41:00):
I don't get.

Speaker 4 (01:41:00):
It, no it.

Speaker 5 (01:41:04):
I literally was like, oh gosh, like I'm happy for Antonio,
but mm hmm, you know you need a quarterback. You
want to start your ten year old. Right, you got
to add of court. You gotta have a quarterback.

Speaker 2 (01:41:19):
Gardner minshew is you know, he's fine, he's good man,
but yeah, mahomes Herbert, I get it.

Speaker 4 (01:41:26):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:41:29):
Great stuff tonight, my man. Good talking to you as always.

Speaker 4 (01:41:32):
Absolutely okay.

Speaker 2 (01:41:33):
We're gonna talk to you next week, but right now,
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