Steve Hartman and Rich Ohrnberger talk 2024 Olympics and more!

Steve Hartman and Rich Ohrnberger recap the final tally of the 2024 Paris Olympic medals, what events we may see at the 2028 Games in Los Angeles, which NFL team has its work cut out for it this year after one preseason game, thoughts on the new NFL kickoff rules, possible adjustments to spotting the ball, and more!

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tire buying should be. Oh, Richie, here we are on
this final day of the Olympics. All the events are done. Uh,
we are now just gonna have the closing ceremonies Today.
The United States and China tied for the most gold medals,
and of course the United States lap the field in

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terms of total medals. So let's start off with little
Kapper on these Olympic Games.

Speaker 3 (00:50):
Did you enjoy them? Richie?

Speaker 2 (00:52):
Was this something that captivated you? How did these two
weeks go for you?

Speaker 4 (00:56):
There have been years where I've been completely in rap
in the stories of the Olympics. This was not one
of those years. But I'll say this, I had more
interest in a lot of the games than I thought
I would.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
I thought some of the new changes were good changes.

Speaker 4 (01:12):
I thought the speed climbing, addition, makes sense as an
Olympic game. You know when you turn on the television
and you realize this is a world that's been going
on away from your consciousness. But there are people who
are so skilled that they can scale a fifty foot
or however they measure a twenty five meter wall in

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five seconds. It blows your mind, like this is what
people have dedicated their life to. It kind of reminds
me of curling during the Winter Olympics. Yeah, it may
not be the most exciting event, but I catch myself
every year or every four years during the Winter Olympics
kind of captivated by that. So I think speed climbing
good change. I thought that the men's hoops, when they

(01:58):
decided that they wanted to win and it was only
for quarters or halves during some of these games they
played men's hoops was exciting.

Speaker 1 (02:08):
Gymnastics at times caught my eye.

Speaker 4 (02:10):
Overall, I would say I watched more and was more
interested in the Olympics than I thought I would be.

Speaker 1 (02:17):
But then there were some things that I didn't love.

Speaker 4 (02:19):
I think breakdancing is ridiculous. I don't know if you
watched any of that companies, Well.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
The only one that anyone saw was that woman out
of Australia that made a complete mockery. We'll never see
breakdancing again, as already it is not on the ledger
for the twenty twenty eight Games in Los Angeles. So
no breakdancing thanks to that woman, by the way, who
basically mocked the sport is what she did, and she
got the only mileage out of the sport. That's the
only breakdance that anyone ever saw was this thirty six

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year old woman, you know, playing like she's a kangaroo.
Somebody compared her routine, which by the way, got zero points,
to that of a dog that just got out of
a bath. You know, you take the dog out of
the you know, and he starts rolling around shaking. That's
what she looked like. She looked like a dog that
just jumped out of the bath. So I mean, I'm

(03:08):
with you on that, you know, I will say this Rich.
First of all, you know, I'm an old school guy
track and field, right, it's not everyone's cup of tea.
I'm a track and field guy. And the track and
field was phenomenal. I mean, the United States won fourteen
gold medals, fourteen of their forty gold medals were in
track and field. You had the amazing finish in the
fifteen hundred meter, the amazing finish and the four hundred meters,

(03:31):
the hundred meter, I mean it.

Speaker 3 (03:33):
Was it was really entertaining for me.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
And by the way, it was interesting because some people
today are talking about the fact that the United States
actually could have had one more gold medal than China
instead of tying with them at forty if the high
jumper from the United States had agreed to share the
gold medal with the guy from New Zealand, which was
what happened in the last Olympics where they were literally tied.

(03:58):
And the way the tiebreaker works in the high jump
is if you both you know, go out at the
same height, then it's how many misses you've had. Whoever
has less misses ends up winning the gold. Well in
this case, like it was four years ago or technically
three years ago, they had the same number of misses.
But I give the US guy credit. No tie. I

(04:20):
mean I mentioned this yesterday. It would have been like
last year's Super Bowl, right where the forty nine ers
and the chiefs the end regulation and go, you know what,
forget that overtime.

Speaker 3 (04:29):
Let's just share the super Bowl championship.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
What do you think, Let's share it? I mean, you know,
the hell with the overtime. I not tired, man, Let's
just share the super Bowl. This is how ridiculous. I
didn't know even you could do that, what they did
at the Tokyo Games. So you can just decide, Yeah,
forget the jump off, man, Let's just share the gold.
And I would much rather the way it played out

(04:51):
with the US guy. I mean both these guys were
gassed obviously, I mean, jumping you barely have any spring
left in your legs. The New Zealand guy won, but
I give the US guy credit. No, there's no tie. No,
there's no freaking tie. This is the Olympic Games. I'm
going for gold. Yeah, and the fact that he had
to settle for silver, more power to him. Not a tie,

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I mean, I mean the ties in tie is not
winning in any sport.

Speaker 3 (05:19):
There's no such thing as a tie is a win.
A tie is not a win. It's not a loss.
It's a tie.

Speaker 4 (05:26):
No, it's it's I completely agree with his decision, and Steve,
you nailed it. I failed to mention the fact that
track and field really shined this year, and in order
for the Summer Games to really truly shine, I mentioned
a lot of the fringe sports that captivated or caught
my eye or you know, for the wrong reasons, like
break dancing. But but but truly, if you're going to

(05:49):
have a successful Summer Games, it needs happened on the track,
or it needs happened in the pool. And when Michael
Phelps was out there and doing special things, we had
a nation support his metal chase, and same thing this
year with Lyles. I think there was a lot of
interest there. With Shaikari Richardson, I think there was a
lot of interest there. You had names that you knew,

(06:09):
you had interest, you had close finishes. Like you said,
this was an exciting year for track and field, and
even I caught myself watching some of the throw you know,
the hammer throw of the shot like it.

Speaker 2 (06:21):
Well, the shot put guy first guy everha win three
straight goals in the shot put.

Speaker 1 (06:24):
Yep, yep, Steve.

Speaker 4 (06:25):
I mean, this was one of those Olympics where I
felt like I walked into it. I'm not You've watched
more Olympics than I have, but I walked into it
with one preconceived notion, thinking like I'm probably not going
to get much enjoyment out of it this year, and
I walked away feeling very differently.

Speaker 1 (06:44):
I actually enjoyed the Olympics this year.

Speaker 4 (06:46):
I think they did a good job, especially coming out
of the Tokyo COVID Olympics. That was a real tough
time for the athletes. That was a low buzz time
for interest in sports for a variety of different reasons,
and so I think this is this was the recovery
that they needed.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
Well, as a father of a daughter whose name is Paris,
to see my daughter's names splashed all over the TV
constantly for two weeks was very exhilarating. No, I had
much more interest in these Olympics than I've had in
recent Olympics, not just Tokyo, but even some of the
games before that, So I think it was a big plus. Obviously,

(07:24):
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So basketball, you know, and this is something I talked
about before the Olympics. There are certain sports like track

(08:07):
and field, like swimming, like gymnastics, where your resume is
really defined by what you do in the Olympic Games.
I mean, all these sports have world championships, you know,
and it's a big part of it. But if you
even look at their resume, let's say on a Wikipedia page,
their Olympic results are always listed first, then it's world championships.

(08:30):
But in basketball, I mean, we talk about these Olympics
and we go with the United States, and all I
can say for a team USA is thank god he
had Steph Curry on the team. Without Steph Curry, you
lose to Serbia in the you know, you lose to France.
I mean this guy literally saved their ass on those
last two games.

Speaker 3 (08:51):
But you'll have nothing to gain. You only have something
to lose.

Speaker 2 (08:56):
You have twelve NBA All Stars on your team every
single Olympic. There's no other country that has twelve NBA
All Stars. Now you're supposed to win the gold easily.
And the fact that the United States, I mean, when
you look at this gold medal game against France, they
have a kid Wemby, who obviously is a future superstar.

Speaker 3 (09:17):
He's a great player. Now he will get better. And
by the way, why did the coach of Franz bench
him for five minutes? Why was it? Why wasn't he
playing the whole game?

Speaker 1 (09:27):
I don't understand that. What I mean, it's.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
The gold medal game in your home country. In about
why is Wemby at age twenty in the gold medal
game spending any time on the bench.

Speaker 4 (09:41):
I mean, the only thing I can think of, the
only thing I can think of is maybe that there
was a conversation had before the game started, like Wemby
will absolutely absolutely represent France, but you're going to rest
him for X number of minutes at minimum per game,
and if the the lead is out of hand for France,

(10:03):
then get him out of there as quickly as he
can to preserve him, you know, for injury prevention sake,
and maybe they stuck with rules like that.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
No, well, that only points out what I was talking
about there in terms of importance.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
Yep, yep.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
In you know building a resume, the Olympics is second fiddle,
the NBA is you know, you're when you think back
to your career, no one is talking about, you know,
Kevin Durant winning four gold medals. Now first man who
win four gold That is so far down the list
in terms of his achievement.

Speaker 4 (10:35):
By the way, very cool that he did that, very
very neat and and a fun footnote to his career
that he did that, that he felt, you know, compelled
to play in that many Olympics games and.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
Also have that success.

Speaker 4 (10:49):
I mean he should have that success, Like we mentioned
the dominance of the US and men's basketball.

Speaker 1 (10:53):
But very cool achievement.

Speaker 4 (10:55):
But you're right, I mean, compared Steve to hoisting Larry
O'Brien trow or NBA MVPs or final MVPs, an Olympic
gold pales in comparison.

Speaker 3 (11:06):
No one talks about that. Nobody so and it is
going to be interested.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
On the other side, I do want to follow up
a little bit, not only on the men, but the
women as well. A lot of controversy obviously leading up
to these Olympic Games with the makeup of the US
team where it's Caitlin Clark. You know they barely survive
today the girl from France had her foot on the line.

Speaker 3 (11:28):
You gotta know where that three point line is.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
Oh yeah, yeah, if you're trying to tie the game,
you can't be having that foot on the line. We're
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Basketball was born in the United States of America, we know.
See the one thing about basketball and its origins. Unlike
many sports where no one is really sure where it
came from, there's no question where basketball came from. Doctor
James Naysmith invented the game in eighteen ninety one.

Speaker 3 (13:19):
Springfield, Massachusetts.

Speaker 7 (13:21):
But he's a Candian.

Speaker 3 (13:23):
What's that?

Speaker 8 (13:23):
I'm sorry, Chris, Pretty sure doctor Naismith was Canadian, wasn't
he He was?

Speaker 3 (13:26):
He was, but he was looking for a winter sport.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
Put up a couple of baskets, literally baskets and the
game was created.

Speaker 4 (13:35):
And some of the best things that Canada has ever
done or produced has been in the United States.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
By the way, Yes, like Alex Trebek, correct, I mean
they can go on and on. I mean, great Canadians
finding their way in the United States. Jim Carrey, Oh yeah,
Jim Carrey, Canadian guy. So, but this is very interesting
to me?

Speaker 3 (13:56):
Is this?

Speaker 2 (13:59):
So the United States winning two more golds in basketball?
It's five straight goals for the men's team, eight straight
for the women. There's actually only one country that actually
still exists that has won a gold medal in basketball.
The Soviet Union won a couple of goals in basketball.

(14:21):
They don't exist anymore. And Yugoslavia won a gold in basketball,
and there is no such place as Yugoslavia anymore. So
there's only one other country that still exists today that
has won a gold medal in basketball other than the
United States, and that is Argentina, which of course upset

(14:43):
the NBA All Stars back in the two thousand and
four games. You remember that it was a redemption Olympics
back in eight. You know, Kobe got back in the mix,
and we can't be losing out gold.

Speaker 1 (14:53):
Why was my brain remembers it as Spain.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
Yeah, now Spain has three silvers in Spain, France has
four silvers.

Speaker 3 (15:03):
Of course they got two more silvers in these Olympics.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
But yeah, the Soviet and you don't one two gold
and Yugoslavia won Argentina one. But again, the Soviet Union
Yugoslavia don't exist anymore. So we are sitting here in
a sport that, again we have everything to lose and
nothing to gain.

Speaker 1 (15:20):
Yes, that is a perfect appraisal of what's happening.

Speaker 3 (15:25):
So where do we go with this? And you know,
I'm watching this.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
Diana Tarassi collected her sixth gold medal, and we said
this even before the Olympics, like, why wouldn't Diana Tarassi
just sort of take a seat and allow Caitlin Clark
to take her place? Is it really necessary to add
a sixth gold medal?

Speaker 4 (15:50):
I get it, But you know what, this is a
conversation that's probably.

Speaker 1 (15:58):
Like going to annoy certain people.

Speaker 4 (16:00):
But this is what separates athletes from the rest of
the world. When you talk about competitiveness, to get to
that level, you have to make insane amounts of sacrifice.

Speaker 1 (16:16):
When you talk.

Speaker 4 (16:17):
About talent to get to that level you're talking about
being a thin sliver of the one percent in the
world or in the country you come from. When you
talk about the motivation it takes, you know, while everybody
else is partying when they're young, you're the one who's
shooting the five hundred jump shots, the two hundred free throws,

(16:39):
you know, the one hundred and fifty three pointers a
day in the gym. Everybody's home sleeping, you're working. You know,
the Mamba mentality. You know the things that people have
done in order to become great, that insane sacrifice, that
insane competitiveness and motivation. Tiger Woods think about how often

(17:01):
in his life he's had a golf club in his hand.

Speaker 1 (17:04):
I mean, it's an immeasurable amount of time, you know.

Speaker 4 (17:07):
So, I mean there are stories, literally stories of Tiger Woods,
you know, walking through the clubhouse and a couple of
players are grabbing a drink after her practice round, like, hey, Tiger,
let me buy a drink, and he's he's got his
putter in his hand. He's like, ah, no, I just
got a couple of things to work on. I'll see
you guys in a little bit. And the bar's closing
he's still out on the putting green. It's that type

(17:29):
of stuff that elevates. And by the way, that's Tiger
Woods talking to another person who's in a thin sliver
of the one percent. He's out working those guys. So
to circle back to the question you just asked about
Diana Tarassi, why does she need a six goal? It's
because of that. It's because Diana Tarassi doesn't know how
to quit. She doesn't know how to say no. If

(17:51):
she can still do it, then why shouldn't she because
that's what has gotten her to this level in the
first place.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
Well, then it comes down to choosing the teams right
and how we go about that. One of the reasons
that we lost on the men's side the gold medal
in two thousand and four, it wasn't a good mix.
It wasn't that they just lost to Argentina and the Semis.
That team lost three games during those Olympics. In fact,
they opened the Olympics with a nineteen point loss to

(18:19):
Puerto Rico. That was when they had two young players
on the team that were one year into the league,
named Lebron James and Carmel Anthony. It wasn't a good
makeup of the team. I don't know a lot of people.
We keep hearing this with every Olympics, the world is
caught up. But the reality is the world hasn't caught

(18:39):
up until they actually put twelve NBA All Stars on
the court the way the United States does every single Olympics.

Speaker 3 (18:46):
That's when we know that they've caught up.

Speaker 2 (18:48):
I mean, if you had a world team, you know,
sort of like what they do with the Ryder Cup,
where you have they decided your Ryder Cup used to
be like Great.

Speaker 3 (18:57):
Britain versus the United States, and the USA would clean up.

Speaker 2 (19:01):
Then they decided, you know what, how about if we
do all of Europe and all of a sudden, the
sevy biasterosis and the bar not longers of the world
were including the mix and guess what happened. The Euros
started wiping up and winning the Ryder Cup. So if
you had a world team versus the United States and
the Olympics, then then the United States would be up

(19:22):
against them.

Speaker 4 (19:23):
Well let me ask you this, and this may sound insane,
but could you see at any point, especially either on
the doorsteps of the Olympics or maybe after the gold
medal match, playing one more game where the rest of
the Olympics team compile one team to go. I think
that would be compelling. I think that would be a

(19:43):
fun watch. I bet you that would get the highest
ratings of all the games during the Summer Olympics. Because
what you just described is absolutely true what they did
in golf work.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
People do care about the Ryder.

Speaker 2 (19:54):
Cup, absolutely because suddenly he lost it. It's like the
America's Cup and yachting cared about that event until we
lost it, right, and then all of a sudden people
were like, what what we got to get that thing back?

Speaker 3 (20:05):
What is it? America's got? We want that thing.

Speaker 2 (20:08):
It's it's interesting because when you think about certain sports
I mentioned softball, Like so softball was introduced in the
nineteen ninety six games, and the United States dominated ninety six,
two thousand, two thousand and four, two thousand and eight,
so dominant that they decided it's not competitive. So they

(20:30):
decided twenty twelve would be it. And what happened The
United States lost the gold medals.

Speaker 1 (20:36):
That was the year.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
They're like, yeah, the United States is so dominant. What's
different about basketball? I mean, again, we it's like a freebie.
It's like the free spot on the Bengal board for
US is basketball.

Speaker 3 (20:49):
I know, why is it still out.

Speaker 4 (20:50):
There because people watch Steve Because the Olympics. As much
as it is about competitiveness, getting all these nations together
and doing this special thing once every four years, it's.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
Also about money.

Speaker 3 (21:04):
Yeah you know.

Speaker 4 (21:05):
I mean it doesn't cost nothing to host softball games.
It costs something. You got to build the infrastructure, You
got to house those athletes, you got to feed those athletes,
you have to fly those athletes out to the Olympic site,
you have to.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
Film and produce the games.

Speaker 4 (21:24):
Like, there's a lot of money attached to all these enterprises.
And if they're realizing one one team is super dominant
and there's very little interest in the sport altogether, well
it's probably gonna go away. We just talked about breakdancing
for very different reasons. It's it's going away, and it's
it's because it doesn't work, and if something's not working.

Speaker 1 (21:46):
You change it.

Speaker 4 (21:47):
Now, basketball, I have to admit the one thing I
will say, yes, Team USA has been dominant, and yes,
you're absolutely.

Speaker 1 (21:55):
Right, even if Team USA loses.

Speaker 4 (21:58):
In the Olympics at some point, which does not sound
like a rational conversation I have.

Speaker 1 (22:04):
But if they do, sometime in.

Speaker 4 (22:05):
The future, the rest of the world will still have
fewer actual great basketball players on their rosters in comparison,
because nobody else is gonna be able to put twelve
NBA All Stars on their roster. They may have a
better team in a one off, but nobody's gonna have
a better twelve. Here's what I will say though basketball,

(22:26):
the NBA specifically has done a great job of expanding
its borders, and they're doing that again going back to money,
because more eyes on the product, more money can be generated.
But I digress to talk about the competitive nature of
the sport, which is increasing overseas.

Speaker 1 (22:41):
So how long is it gonna take.

Speaker 4 (22:42):
Is it gonna take you know, twelve more years, is
gonna take sixteen? Is gonna take twenty twenty four more
years until we do see a country or countries catch
up to the type of prowess that the the the
collection of NBA All Stars on Team USUS puts out there.
It's possible if for the first time I would say

(23:03):
it's conceivable.

Speaker 3 (23:06):
Do you know?

Speaker 2 (23:06):
In the second Modern Olympic Games, which was held in
Paris in the year nineteen hundred. They had a competition
that year that they've never had since. And I'll tell
you what that is on the other side, But first
let's find out what is trending right now. Martin is

(23:29):
in the house.

Speaker 3 (23:30):
That's truth, Dave.

Speaker 9 (23:31):
Right now, approaching halftime in an NFL preseason game between
the Denver Broncos and Innapolis Colts quarterbacks of note Bo
Nicks making his NFL debut, He's ten for fifteen right now,
eighty three yards, passing one touchdown through the year. Adding
to that three carries for seventeen yards Robus five pointy

(23:52):
seven yards to carry for the young Denver quarterback. We've
seen three quarterbacks on the Indianapolis side of things, Sam Mellinger,
Joe Flacco, and last year's first round pick Anthony Richardson.
He was two for four twenty five yards in very
limited action. Joe Flacco. If you carry us three for
five twenty eight yards, thirteen to ten.

Speaker 3 (24:11):
The score approaching halftime.

Speaker 9 (24:14):
In the Olympics, US women's basketball team win it's eighth
straight gold medal this morning, rad leying from ten points
down in the third quarter to defeat France sixty sixty
seven to sixty six. Angel Wilson led the Americans with
twenty one points thirteen rebounds.

Speaker 3 (24:29):
The US women's national team has now won.

Speaker 9 (24:31):
Sixty six straight Olympic goal Olympic Games. I should say
that games in the Olympics. He said they won six
to six straight Olympic Games.

Speaker 1 (24:40):
Mix.

Speaker 9 (24:40):
It seems like they won all the way back in
the years of Athens and Sparta.

Speaker 3 (24:44):
I'll get that right.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
Next time.

Speaker 9 (24:45):
Italy took home the gold medal and women's volleyball beating
the US three sets to none. Baseball games in action
right now, let's see bottom of the ninth the Angels
lead the Nationals six to two. At astros over the
Red Sox won nothing in the bottom of the third.
Yankee's the two nothing lead over the Rangers. On the
top of the fourth. A's been pounding on the Blue

(25:07):
Jays that a five nothing lead at the bottom of
the first inning. Now it's bottom of the third. No
score so far between the Orioles and the Rays. At
the end of the third inning and at the start
of the fourth inning, we're looking at the Miami Marlins
five padres nothing. Top of the second, it's for the
Brewers and the Reds no score, Minnesota Minnesota Twins, and
the Cleveland Guardians no score as well in the bottom

(25:30):
of the second inning, Rich Steve back to you guys.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
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Speaker 1 (25:46):
Yeah, gotch No.

Speaker 3 (25:47):
You're right, it's the tire rack dot Com Studios.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
Yes, well, I'm reading three things at once, not just
two things.

Speaker 3 (25:53):
I'm reading three things at once here.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
So in the nineteen hundred Olympic Games, and some people
argue that the Summer.

Speaker 3 (26:00):
Games should not actually be counted as the Olympic.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
Games because it was part of the World's Fair celebration
in Paris, and it wasn't normal. I mean, they had
track and field events that were very familiar with but
they also had one sport that had one appearance in
the Olympics, never to be seen again.

Speaker 3 (26:20):
And I'm wondering if this should be brought back.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
Yeah, let's here.

Speaker 3 (26:23):
It ballooning.

Speaker 2 (26:27):
So in the nineteen hundred Summer Olympics they had ballooning,
and they didn't just have a event, they had several
events distance, duration, elevation target without stop, target would stop
and distance and duration overall, and they were giving medals

(26:49):
out for this. The reason it went by the wayside
is that hot air ballooning soon died out when gas balloons,
which had been dominant at that were replaced by helium
and so. But they actually have photos these balloons are giant,

(27:09):
like gigantic balloons. It just you know, we get to
this break dancing and how much you add to me
more is not better.

Speaker 3 (27:20):
Yeah, it takes.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
Away to me the idea of winning a medal a
gold medal, obviously, but any kind of liken it cheapens it.
That's why I get irritated when they add medley events
and relay events to sports like swimming and track and field.

(27:42):
They just seem to keep adding events all the time,
and you just sort of lose track of things. This
is one of the reasons I'm a big winner, a
big fan of the Academy Awards.

Speaker 3 (27:52):
They rarely add a category. I mean rarely.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
They basically had the same categories forever, so they don't
give out many of them, which I guess a little
more special to actually win one. I wish they would
do that with the Olympics. Enough already. It's like the
Emmy Awards. They keep adding categories, creating categories, and you're like,
you know, everybody on the planet walks around with an
Emmy Awards like okay, yeah, okay, good for you.

Speaker 3 (28:15):
Yeah, I just too much sometimes, Rich.

Speaker 10 (28:17):
If we if we start training now, we can get
you into the ballooning in the twenty twenty eight Olympics,
if you're ready.

Speaker 8 (28:22):
A new word ballooning means ballooning, doesn't have We need
to work on that word.

Speaker 3 (28:27):
Well that's what they said, ballooning.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
That was the actual name, I understand, not Hot Air
balloon Centurion.

Speaker 3 (28:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (28:34):
Yeah, I mean, look, I personally think that me and
bo would make a great ballooning team.

Speaker 7 (28:39):
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
So that's first of all.

Speaker 4 (28:41):
And then we'd need a wrangler or a couple, so
Chris Purfett, maybe Martin wy Steve Hartman.

Speaker 1 (28:47):
We've got our collection of talent here already.

Speaker 4 (28:50):
Now, do we have to be athletes danchers? No, But
do we have to be ballooners? The answer is yes.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
I'm looking at one of the legends from that games.
His name was on lead of all.

Speaker 10 (29:00):
We should put Moncy in the balloon. Actually that would
be a competitive advantage.

Speaker 9 (29:04):
So yes, I'm just I'm just sick that all the
week I spent training the breakdance just will go to
the note nothing.

Speaker 3 (29:10):
In the next four years.

Speaker 1 (29:12):
Martin.

Speaker 4 (29:12):
We appreciate your effort. We have now transitioned to ballooning.
Thank you for your time. By the way, I'm a cardboard.

Speaker 2 (29:18):
The guy that dominated the competition in ballooning eventually died
when he collided with a power line.

Speaker 3 (29:27):
See it, that's how that's actually that would you know
what that would be?

Speaker 1 (29:31):
All lead.

Speaker 4 (29:33):
They're way, way, way more power lines now than they
were in nineteen hundred exactly, So I don't know.

Speaker 1 (29:39):
I mean, are we willing to take that risk?

Speaker 4 (29:41):
Honestly, I think Moncey would be, So I'm gonna sign
her up.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
We're not going to talk about the para lines or Henri.
So there you have it.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
Are you going to be watching the closing ceremonies Do
you have any interest in?

Speaker 4 (29:52):
I think I will, And here's the reason why, because
I think they'll like I think the Chili Peppers are playing. Yes,
it's like I think I think Tom Cruise is last
I checked. He's skydiving into the closing ceremony because.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
I'm gonna guess that the closing ceremonies will bear no
resemblance to the opening ceremonies.

Speaker 1 (30:11):
That sounds accurate.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
Yeah, yeah, I don't think really, I think you want
to close the door in a positive.

Speaker 1 (30:19):
You don't think the genie is coming back.

Speaker 3 (30:20):
I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
I think some miscalculation, Babe in the opening ceremonies, But overall,
I thought the Olympics are great, and uh, you know,
and with the United States hanging on to that one
point victory over France, close, close, I mean, in retrospect,
did they make the right decision of not including Caitlin

(30:43):
Clark on this Olympic team in retrospect?

Speaker 4 (30:46):
Now, Steve, We've talked about this many times. I think
that the Olympics. Yes, it's about a collection of your
best national stars representing your country in an international competition
once every four years, but it's also about shepherding in
the new generation of talent you have.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
It may not always be the literal best that year.

Speaker 4 (31:09):
Sometimes you base decisions off of potential, like yeah, maybe
Caitlin Clark's not going to get a ton of playing
time this year because she isn't elite at this level yet,
but she will be, and she deserves a spot on
the star on this team because she is the star
of our league and she is the future of our league.

(31:30):
So I think they made an enormous miscalculation leaving out
Caitlyn Clark.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
Also, one other note was the Armenian boxer. Oh yeah,
and she ended up winning the gold medal, and certainly
he defended herself talking about cyber harassment and everything else

(31:55):
and apparently has filed a complaint due to the abuse
over her gender at these Paris Olympics. I to be
honest with you, I'll defend her on this. I think
this story ran away with itself, starting with her first
match when the woman quit forty six seconds in, claiming

(32:17):
she'd never been hit that hard before. But if you
look back at her DQ from the World Championships now,
the group that decuted her and the other woman came
under fire is not legit.

Speaker 3 (32:31):
She was born a woman. She I mean you know this,
some guys.

Speaker 2 (32:35):
I mean, you and I are both men, but our
strength level is at a different level. Okay, I mean
I mean, and if it's true for you and me,
and it's it can be true.

Speaker 3 (32:48):
For women as well.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
Now are women that are just physically strong women, right.

Speaker 4 (32:53):
Different look that one and by the way, completely natural. Right, Yes,
I'm talking about no perform it's enhancing. I'm talking about
no testosterone replacement anything like. There are just certain people
who have a genetic propensity to look different, be shaped different,
be stronger than other people of the same gender.

Speaker 8 (33:14):
Right, Michael Phelps had a genetic advantage with how long
his body was.

Speaker 1 (33:18):
Of course, absolutely, yeah, he had those long levers.

Speaker 4 (33:21):
I mean it created more whatever you want to call it,
force against the water and propelled them forward faster.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
When you were the only lineman ever to this day
name the state high school player of the year in
the state of New York, were there any complaints about
the fact that you were just bigger, stronger than everybody else.

Speaker 4 (33:42):
No, No, it was an acceptance. It was in fact,
it was celebrated.

Speaker 3 (33:48):
Celebrated exactly literally.

Speaker 4 (33:50):
I received that award, and nobody came up to me
and questioned ethics. Nobody came up to me and said, well,
you were too rough with those boys, Like No, that
it was excitement. I shook hands, I took pictures, and
I received a plaque like as, by the way, this
Armenian boxer should be should should be.

Speaker 1 (34:10):
Receiving because she's born a woman, she is a woman.

Speaker 4 (34:13):
Uh whatever, I don't I don't even know, but whatever
medical uh evaluation goes into the pre Olympic checkup. I mean,
she passed everything for the Olympics. Nothing was flagged, so
the determination shouldn't be like, oh, because she looks different,
she is different.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
Now, I mean, did anybody in the NFL sue Larry
Allen for benching seven hundred pounds or the fact that.

Speaker 3 (34:40):
Head he's larger than a huddle? I mean, the guys
got microwave? Like what I mean? There are physical, for
lack of a better word.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
Freaks, Well, no, no, anomally there are anomalies out there.
So all right on the other side, we're gonna start
getting into a little NFL news. Yeah, season is underway,
and already preseason football is being scrutinized as ridiculous as
that sound. Who's under the microscope? We're gonna tell you.
This is Fox Sports Sunday, Steve Harmon and Rich Hornberger.

(35:14):
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Speaker 3 (35:24):
Say this, go ahead. We own the football season.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
Oh yeah, because the football games are, with a few exceptions,
obviously played on the weekends, Saturday College football, Sunday, NFL football.

Speaker 5 (35:40):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (35:40):
I know, we have a Thursday game. You know, we
have Monday games.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
They have a few other Friday games scattered around, but
you know it's basically Saturday College Sunday NFL and you
and I are very much part of that and have
been for a long time here on Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 1 (35:56):
Yeah, looking forward to it.

Speaker 4 (35:57):
Steve red Zone Radio is officially going kickoff when the
football season does.

Speaker 3 (36:02):
Well, Actually it's gonna start next week.

Speaker 4 (36:04):
Never mind, Yeah, it starts next week, start two pm.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
Yes, Now, I got a good news programming news here,
So countdown to Kickoff Returns brought to you by bet MGM.
And then we'll be on ten to two on the
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then Dan Bayer and Carrie Rhodes, who will become a
dynamic duo as our lead in, are now going to

(36:29):
take over the slot after our show on Sundays.

Speaker 4 (36:32):
I love that love Carrie, former teammate of mine with
the Arizona Cardinals. Dam Bayer has been our teammate here
for a fox. I mean both of us have been here.

Speaker 2 (36:41):
Yes, so Dan and Carrie are going to do the show.

Speaker 3 (36:45):
Right after ours.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
Course, obviously more NFL games will do some of the afternoons,
but yes, starting out again.

Speaker 3 (36:52):
This is this is my problem with the NFL season.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
I still don't understand that bye week between the n
of the preseason and Week one of the NFL season. Granted,
it gives, you know, the college game the sole spotlight
that week, because that's gonna be Week one of the
college We have Week zero coming up in a couple
of weeks, so Week one of the college football stands alone.

(37:18):
But you remember how it used to be rich right
when we had four preseason games. Starters would play a
lot in Game three, like that was the dress rehearsal game,
and then week four you'd have the games done early,
remember like Friday or Thursday or Friday, all those games
would be done, and then the following week boom, Week
one of the NFL season. Now, this third and final

(37:43):
preseason game coming up in a couple of weeks has
played sometimes on Sunday, and then you have a week off.

Speaker 3 (37:50):
I don't get it.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
The NFL should never have a week off, even to
start the season. Rich, but that's where we're at. Doesn't matter.

Speaker 3 (37:58):
We'll be all over it with our show.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
Oh all right, yesterday I am doing TV in LA
and I'm showing some of the low lights from the
Chargers preseason opener against.

Speaker 3 (38:11):
The Seattle Seahawks.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
And Jim Harbaugh is jumping around on the sidelines like
a madman. He's jumping out and the Eastern Stick You've got,
you know, justin Herbert in a walking boot. So he's
not even gonna play any during this preseason. They're hoping
he's going to be ready for Week one. But you
got Easton Stick, hey, and and there's and there's Harbad.
He's jumping all over and he's patting him on the

(38:36):
helmet before the game and on his bats. All right, man,
let's go this. I'm I'm back. It's been ten years
since I've been coaching the NFL. Let's have a good
game out here. And Easton Stick could not have played worse.
I mean he was awful, Yeah, awful. And you're watching

(38:56):
this Chargers team and granted, Herbert's not in. Yes, it's
a preseason game, but even Harbor I said, I love Harbor.
After the game, he's like, yeah, well, I I there
were some some good things on offense, but not nearly enough.

Speaker 3 (39:15):
It was actually actual words were Yeah.

Speaker 4 (39:17):
When when you talk to people who have been in
Chargers training camp, been taken in training camp, yeah, they're
they're pretty offense the defense or they're pretty honest about
the offensive struggles.

Speaker 1 (39:30):
The defense looks like it's pretty far long.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
Yeah, they didn't have a nice fourth down stand, goal line stand.

Speaker 4 (39:37):
But the offense leaves something to be desired. And even
with justin Herbert there, I mean, look, you're not gonna
go win.

Speaker 3 (39:43):
The worst wide receiver core in the league.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
Yeah, yeah, serious, I mean they have less talent at
wide receiver than any other team in the league.

Speaker 1 (39:54):
That's not overstating it. I mean it would be.

Speaker 4 (39:57):
It would be a tie for the bottom, if not
the bottom of the league in turn of talent right now.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
Yes, collectively the league versus the Chargers and accumulating the
lack of talent. So no matter how good a quarterback
is and Herbert is elite, SI, I'll have to have
somebody to throw it to man. You do, and I
don't know how think. So it's gonna be a process.
I have faith in Jim Harborugh, he'll build a winner
with the Chargers. But anyone expecting some immediate turnaround for

(40:24):
this team is delusional.

Speaker 1 (40:27):
I've been saying it.

Speaker 4 (40:27):
Look, people are like, what are your expectations for the Chargers.
I'm like, better than better than last year, but I
would keep your expectations low.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
All right, Well, there were some marquee quarterbacks making NFL debuts.

Speaker 3 (40:39):
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Speaker 3 (41:04):
So the Olympics are done.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
The United States and China finished tied for first as
far as gold medals, but as far as overall medals,
the United States lap the field. So very successful Olympic Games.
And we'll see in la for the next Summer Games
coming up in four years.

Speaker 4 (41:25):
Yeah, looking forward to that. Just a quick drive for
most of us here around Fox Sports Radio. Our course,
our studios are ty raq dot com studios are based
out of Sherman Oaks in the Los Angeles area, So
I imagine many of us are going to be taken in
some of the games. What I do like about the
Olympics from the the the boots on the ground. You know,

(41:50):
they don't charge a tremendous amount of money for some
of these games to attend. Like obviously you have to
pay for lodging. If you're going to fly out to
stay near where an Olympics is happening, you're going to
have to pay for airfare or the gas money to
drive across Europe or the country the United States to

(42:11):
get there. But then once you're actually there, some of
these events you spend like twenty bucks you're in the door.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
Yeah, so and exactly. And by the way, when you've
been watching these Olympic Games in Paris, it seems like
they have huge crowds for all these events.

Speaker 3 (42:27):
That was not the case.

Speaker 2 (42:28):
There were several events where they didn't have huge crowds
and they were.

Speaker 3 (42:32):
Basically giving away tickets. So, I mean, there are so many.

Speaker 2 (42:35):
Events during the course of the day, it only makes
sense so when they are when they do make a
last second decision to bring back break dancing, and you
have an opportunity to have that as your sole Olympic experience. Rich,
I know you'll be very excited about that. So this
year in the NFL, the twenty twenty four draft, something

(43:00):
happened that it only happened once ever an NFL draft history,
and that is where the first two picks in the
draft were both Heisman Trophy winners. Now, the last time
this happened, and the only other time it happened was
in twenty fifteen when Jameis Winston and Marcus Mariota were

(43:21):
the first two picks in the draft. I mean, it's
very strange you have two heis And winners, even in
the same draft. As normally a Heisman winner goes straight
to the NFL, Winston couldn't because he was ineligible for
the NFL draft after winning the Heisman.

Speaker 1 (43:35):
He was too young.

Speaker 3 (43:36):
Yeah, he was too young.

Speaker 2 (43:37):
So I don't know about you, but I'm going to
make a guess that neither Jameis Winston nor Marcus Mariota
will have a bust in Kanton, Ohio.

Speaker 3 (43:49):
I'm just going to go out on the lift.

Speaker 4 (43:50):
I think that's the Yeah. I think that's a fairly
decent bet.

Speaker 2 (43:54):
That's a fairly decent bet. How about this little note.
In the history of football Pro Football Hall of Fame,
there is only one player who won the Heisman Trophy
as a quarterback and is in the Pro Football Hall
of Fame as a quarterback.

Speaker 3 (44:15):
One Roger Staubach. Wow, he's the only one.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
Now, Paul Horning won the Heisman as a quarterback and
Notre Dame, but he went into the Pro Football Hall
of Fame as a running back with the Green Bay Packers.
But only one, Roger Staubach is the only one to
win the Heisman Trophy as a quarterback and then make
it to the Pro Football Hall of Fame as a quarterback.
His last NFL season was nineteen seventy nine. He won

(44:43):
the Heisman in nineteen sixty three. There have been a
lot of Heisman quarterbacks since then. Rich Now you could
look at some of the more recent ones and say,
Lamar Jackson, maybe he'll be a Hall of Famer. You
got a sense he's gonna have to win a super
Bowl along the way, but he's already got two MVPs.
He awards Joe Burrow. Okay, if he could stay healthy.

(45:05):
I don't look at Baker Mayfield or Kyler Murray as
Hall of famers, but who knows, maybe they'll have a
late surge in their career.

Speaker 1 (45:13):
Baker, he's been to the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (45:15):
He's been in the playoffs. Kyler Murray's been to the
playoffs once.

Speaker 3 (45:18):
You know, it's not like.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
They've been busted. Far from it. I mean they've had
some good seasons but only one Roger Staubach. So we're
hearing all this height yesterday about both Jane and Daniels
with the Commanders and Caleb Williams.

Speaker 1 (45:33):
Of the Bear.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
Oh, they looked phenomenal, and I'm like, okay, we played
some Katleb Williams highlights last night.

Speaker 3 (45:41):
He played in two series.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
He made a nice third down conversion third and long
conversion with a pass and then converted another conversion with
his legs.

Speaker 3 (45:50):
We know what kind of athlete it is.

Speaker 2 (45:52):
And then Jane Daniels also had a beautiful pass to
set up a score, his.

Speaker 3 (45:56):
Own score in his one series with the commanders.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
I asked this of Adam Kaplan yesterday, How is that
possible that we've had all these Heis and winning quarterbacks
over the years and only one one has actually got
into the Hall of Fame. And he says that's because
the college game is completely different. There's a difference between
a college quarterback and a pro quarterback. So what's your
gut feeling rich about Caleb Williams and Jaden Daniels both

(46:23):
had phenomenal collegiate careers, well deserved Heisman trophies, and now
they go to bad teams hoping that they're going to
be franchise quarterbacks and maybe down the road elite quarterbacks,
elite enough to get in shrine in Canton, Ohio. Do
you get a good feeling or are they in the
same bag of other quarterbacks that we've been seeing now
over the last twenty years.

Speaker 3 (46:44):
With high selections in the draft.

Speaker 4 (46:47):
I think you have a better chance of guys these
days having success than in years past.

Speaker 1 (46:52):
And the reason why is pretty.

Speaker 4 (46:53):
Simple, because it is so much more about what you
can get out of your players than what you can
get out of your system. And I've been saying this
for years now, but it's only becoming more obvious. I
should say is quarterbacks especially need to be productive, otherwise

(47:16):
a head coach or offensive coordinator will be fired. I mean,
the investment that these teams make in these players.

Speaker 1 (47:25):
It's to the point.

Speaker 4 (47:26):
Where it's very, very rare where you stick with a
losing strategy in terms of the system you're employing, and
you move off of a quarterback, you'll fire a head coach.
I mean, perfect example, we were just talking about Baker Mayfield.
It wasn't what was best for Baker, but they didn't
love how Hugh Jackson was working with them, so they

(47:48):
got rid of him.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
They got rid of the head coach.

Speaker 4 (47:50):
Same thing with Bryce Young and the Carolina Panthers last year.
They didn't like what was happening with Frank Reich. They
got rid of him before he even finished his first
season with the the Carolina Panthers. So we're getting to
the point in the NFL where if you don't make
your quarterback automatically successful in the league, they're gonna get
rid of you.

Speaker 1 (48:10):
So I think that we're going to see more.

Speaker 4 (48:13):
Of these high prized and high priced talents coming out
of college have more success at the league. Level, because
it's incumbent upon these coaches to keep their jobs to
have a successful quarterback.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
Well, we constantly use the term expendable when we talk
about running backs in the NFL. Right, why waste an
elite pick on a running back when we see I mean,
let's go back to the Chargers Austin Eckler. I'm sorry,
where was he drafted? He wasn't, and for a couple
of years he was one of the elite running backs

(48:47):
in the league. They're interchangeable, and I dare say the
success of Brock Purty, the last player picked in the
draft with the forty nine ers, and is a ability
to pick up the Kyle Shanahan's system and execute it
to the level he has already to me, is a

(49:08):
sign that we need to reevaluate the priority at least
in terms of where you're drafting as far as quarterbacks
are concerned, because I dare say that quarterbacks are as
susceptible to the system as any position in the NFL.
Right place, right time, right system. The ability to throw

(49:32):
the ball. I mean, we talk about two things that
a successful quarterback has to have the ability to throw
the ball accurately and the ability to make quick decisions,
that's spontaneous. What do I do with the football once
the play begins? And if you have those two ingredients
in your repertoire, then you can be successful. But this

(49:57):
idea of taking all these quarterbacks high in the draft
of the first twelve picks this year, and this is
just three years after we had five quarterbacks in the
first fifteen picks, four of which are no longer on
thost teams, I dare say, in some respect, and I'm
not blittling the benefit of having a talent like Patrick Mahomes,

(50:19):
that the quarterback position by and large is overrated. It's
less about the quarterback and more about a system that
works well.

Speaker 1 (50:29):
Hang on, hang on.

Speaker 4 (50:30):
So I disagree with you from the standpoint of it's overrated.
I think that you need to have an ultra talented
quarterback to play in the NFL.

Speaker 1 (50:42):
Still, however, I also.

Speaker 4 (50:44):
Think in companion with an ultra talented quarterback, you need
to have a coach or a system that's willing to
accommodate to the specific talents and needs of that player
in order to have immediate success.

Speaker 3 (50:57):
But isn't that what I'm saying?

Speaker 2 (50:58):
It's the system makes the quarterback and not the quarterback
that makes the system.

Speaker 4 (51:03):
All right, But let's rewind to last year's draft as
an example. You're telling me that if you took Bryce
Young and you put him in Houston, the Texans have
the level of success that CJ. Stroud had that the
Texans had.

Speaker 3 (51:16):
Well, let's flip it. You put c J.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
Stroud with the Carolina Panthers. Does he have the same
level as success.

Speaker 4 (51:22):
I think he has more success than Bryce Young because
I think he's a more talented quarterback.

Speaker 1 (51:26):
Steve, I really do.

Speaker 4 (51:28):
I mean Bryce Young he looked flustered behind a bad
offensive line.

Speaker 11 (51:32):
C J.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
Stroud played behind a patchwork.

Speaker 4 (51:35):
Quilt of an offensive line for six games this season
as they were a revolving door with injuries.

Speaker 1 (51:41):
And he shined. I mean he was getting banged up too.

Speaker 4 (51:44):
You know, all the excuses that people made for Bryce
Young you could have used for CJ. Stroud, except he
didn't need to because he was having success. I mean,
think about the receivers he was throwing to. Noah Brown.
Nico was a Nico Collins. I mean these aren't household names.
A Dulton Schultz. Yeah, he's a talented tight end. There's

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no question about it. But like, I mean, what do
we what are we talking about here? Yes, the system
is important, I'm not denying that, Steve, But like, the
quarterback is everything still in this game, and more so
now than ever before, because if you don't have a
guy with exceptional talent, field vision, leadership abilities, arm strength

(52:27):
to deliver the ball everywhere on the field that he
needs to on time, accuracy, timing, you are going to
struggle until that quarterback a either learns how to do
all those things at the NFL level at a competent level,
or B you move on from that quarterback.

Speaker 2 (52:45):
Because I understand that, but I'll go I'll go way
back in time.

Speaker 3 (52:48):
But it is a Hall of Fame name. His name
is Dan Fouts.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
Dan Fouts was a third round pick out of the
University of Oregon, drafted by a bad team, the San
Diego Chargers, and for six years did nothing nothing. I mean,
there was no indication that this guy wasn't anything more
than a journeyman quarterback that was going to go to
camp every year to try to battle for a position
as a starting quarterback.

Speaker 3 (53:12):
And then Don Coriel showed up.

Speaker 2 (53:13):
Yeah, and Don Coriel put in a system and the
next thing, you know, Dan Fast is a first ballot
Hall of Famer, same quarterback, completely different system, and all
of a sudden, he's a different quarterback and he becomes
a Hall of Fame quarterback after showing no signs in
his first five or six years that he was anything
close to that level.

Speaker 3 (53:32):
To me, the system makes the quarterback.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
And by the way, when we think about this draft
this year, we mentioned six quarterbacks in the first twelve picks.
Did you know that this was the first NFL draft
since the merger in nineteen seventy that had no quarterbacks
selected in the second through fourth rounds.

Speaker 3 (53:49):
You know what I means?

Speaker 2 (53:50):
You could have gotten any one of those quarterbacks with
a later pick.

Speaker 1 (53:54):
Yeah, yeah, it's interesting.

Speaker 2 (53:56):
Boh Nicks, JJ McCarthy, Michael Panics.

Speaker 3 (54:00):
Why were you taking these guys high in the first.

Speaker 2 (54:03):
Round you could have gotten in the second round, probably
the third round, fourth round because there were no quarterbacks
taken in those three rounds.

Speaker 4 (54:09):
Well also potentially because those guys you just mentioned were
already gone.

Speaker 1 (54:13):
I look at it through.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
My point is why did you use those high picks
on those Look the top three picks we knew, we
knew Caleb Williams, Jade and Daniels Drake May but Panix
McCarthy knicks. I mean, you didn't need to use a
high first round pick to get those guys. You could
have gotten in the second, third, or fourth rounds.

Speaker 1 (54:31):
You could make the same argument.

Speaker 4 (54:33):
Lamar Jackson could have been available to the Ravens in
the second round. He right, They traded into the first
round at thirty second overall to get Lamar Jackson. It
ended up being the reason why John Harbass still has
a job because they were floundering with the end of
the Flacco years and they needed to find a transition

(54:53):
to a new quarterback and they found it by sneaking
back into the first round. Now, yeah, you could wait
and maybe you miss out, or you could wait him
maybe you get better value on Lamar Jackson. But I
guess my point is this, at the quarterback position, it
being so important as I'm trying to outline here, why wait,
because if you hit on one of these guys, nobody, Hey,

(55:14):
nobody's gonna blame you for reaching for a quarterback if
you believe in them, nobody's gonna blame.

Speaker 1 (55:19):
Really, no, because.

Speaker 3 (55:20):
If Brock Party doesn't happen.

Speaker 2 (55:23):
You don't think that the forty nine ers would be
eating it right now with that Trey Lance pick.

Speaker 1 (55:27):
Oh no, no, no, don't get me wrong. You can't.

Speaker 4 (55:29):
You can't completely miss, Like Trey Lance was a complete miss.

Speaker 1 (55:33):
But I'm saying, if you overvalue a quarterback, he.

Speaker 4 (55:36):
Ends up being a competent second tier quarterback, a franchise
guy that he can build around. But eh, you know,
I mean, is he really gonna win us a Super Bowl?
You know, think Dak Prescott, Think Jimmy Garoppolo for a
time there, Think Kirk Cousins throughout the course of his career.
Think Alex Smith when he was still playing. Like, there's
a lot of those guys who are guys, you know,

(55:59):
they're really talented, but they're gonna hover somewhere between, you know,
the twelfth best and the twentieth best quarterback in the league.
Year after year. They're gonna break into the postseason sometimes.
So that's my point. If you reach for one of
those guys, nobody's gonna be like, oh my gosh, the
Vikings swung and missed huge on JJ McCarthy because by

(56:19):
the end of his season, Yeah, they got eight years
of a starting quarterback, but he only took him to
the postseason three times.

Speaker 1 (56:27):
You're not going to evaluate it that way.

Speaker 4 (56:29):
However, if you miss out on a JJ McCarthy, Like
we do this all the time with drafts. We say, oh,
you know who the Denver Broncos could have had Josh Allen,
but instead they selected who was it? Bradley Chubb out
of NC State. It's like, well, yeah, twenty twenty. Hindsight,

(56:51):
you'll get roasted for that more than you will for
reaching on bow Nicks.

Speaker 2 (56:57):
Again, to me, the system makes the quarterback. But Steve,
I mean, you keep talking about talent.

Speaker 4 (57:03):
Dan Fouts is an exception. Dan Founts is an exception.
There are so so fewer examples like a Dan Fouts
where he was a fledgling journeyman until he found the
right system for him.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
And there's there.

Speaker 2 (57:15):
You honestly believe Joe Montana would have had the same
success had he not been under the tutelage of Bill Walsh.

Speaker 3 (57:21):
Okay, well, an offense was done.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
Look at Drew Brees and his career that took off
when he went with Sean Payton.

Speaker 4 (57:28):
You can't name me five coaches who are who are
in the Hall of Fame conversation who didn't have exceptional quarterback?

Speaker 3 (57:39):
But this goes back you.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
Have had this conversation about your former coach and your
former team a Belichick and Brady?

Speaker 3 (57:46):
Who made who right?

Speaker 1 (57:48):
Right? Who? Well, in that case, it was a combination
of talent.

Speaker 3 (57:52):
I think it's a combination for all of them, but
I don't.

Speaker 4 (57:56):
All the time because if you're asking me who made who,
John Hall or Lamar Jackson, Lamar Jackson was a Heisman
level talent coming out of Louisville. And don't get me wrong,
I think that they put him in the proper system.
But what they did is they turned on Louisville film
and said, hey, we're gonna do a lot of that stuff.
And guess what, it.

Speaker 2 (58:16):
Worked, except they didn't work in the NC Championship game
when they decided to go away from the game plan
and try to have him match pass for pass for Mahomes.

Speaker 1 (58:24):
That was Todd Munkins's fault and that was one does
he had a job. He freaked out. I don't know,
he freaked out.

Speaker 3 (58:30):
He was like, you know what, have Lamar Jackson throw
the ball forty times? What do you think?

Speaker 1 (58:33):
What a mistake? And by the way, is it a
one score game.

Speaker 4 (58:35):
It's not even like it got They got behind right
like you would.

Speaker 3 (58:40):
Understand if it was a one score game.

Speaker 4 (58:43):
It's so ridiculous lantine for the Baltimore Ravenes.

Speaker 2 (58:48):
All right, Well, coming up on the other side, there
are other things to talk about when it comes to
the National Football League and this time of the season,
as we get ready for the regular season, how the
changing dynamic of the preseason really changes the way an
entire season is looked at. Will explain. This is Fox
Sports Sunday, Steve Harbin and Rich Ornberger Fox Sports Sunday

(59:13):
relyve from the Tairaq dot Com studios, which we got
problems with this new kickoff rule. I don't know if
you saw this in the Jacksonville, Kansas City game. So
Jacksonville kicks off and again if the ball lands in
the field to play between the goal line and the

(59:33):
twenty yard line and.

Speaker 3 (59:34):
Needs to be returned.

Speaker 2 (59:37):
So Casey has two receivers back for this kickoff and
it sails over their head and lands in the end zone. However,
the ball then bounces back onto the field a play.
Mikole Hartman, seeing this, races over to grab the ball

(59:59):
and and then puts his body and his knee in
the end zone and then that drags the ball back
into the end zone. So he reaches out. It's like
at the half yard line. He reaches out and pulls
it back in with his knee in the end zone,
and they call touchback. So they're, you know, placing the
ball in the thirty yard line, right and Peterson. Peterson decides,

(01:00:22):
wait a second, I think you guys got the rule wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:00:26):
That's a lie ball.

Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
And so the officials review the play and they decide
to award Jacksonville a safety on the play.

Speaker 3 (01:00:36):
Can you imagine this happened in a regular season game?

Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
No, it cannot.

Speaker 2 (01:00:40):
So even the officials are not clear on the rule
with this kickoff, it could happen once.

Speaker 3 (01:00:46):
It could certainly happen again.

Speaker 1 (01:00:48):
I don't like it at all. So far.

Speaker 4 (01:00:51):
It's been now obviously the Hall of Fame game this
next weekend worth of games, or should say part of
this weekend's games, and so far I don't like it.
I my opinion can change, and I could be convinced
otherwise if I start to see the value somewhere that
this adds to the start of the game, the start
of the half or any you know, an any play

(01:01:12):
after after a score.

Speaker 3 (01:01:14):
But so far, I don't like it.

Speaker 4 (01:01:16):
I think the changes has been clunky as I expected. However,
I also I just and maybe this is because it's
not the regular season. Maybe it's because every special teams
coordinator wants to be super vanilla during the preseason and
not tip their hand as to how exciting this play
or how explosive this play could be for the return team.

Speaker 1 (01:01:38):
But so far, I do not like.

Speaker 4 (01:01:40):
It, and I'm interested to see how it looks during
the regular season. But I fear that I'm not gonna
like it in the regular season either.

Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
Well, I'm sure teams are trying to calculate a game plan.
To man, they're not gonna show it up in a
preseason game, but right behind the scenes are working on
because I did remember in the uf actually it was
the XFL before they became part of the UFL, where
they used this rule, where they had reverses. There were
a lot of different things they try to do to

(01:02:09):
spring the returner, you know, for a big return. But yeah,
this was confusing. As Andy Reid said after the game,
he used to be if the ball is dead you know,
down in the end zone. It's a dead ball, right,
But that's not the case with the new rule, And
apparently the officials not aware of this, so they reviewed

(01:02:29):
the play and Doug Peterson was right, that's not a
down ball. That is a safety. I look at it
this way.

Speaker 4 (01:02:37):
You don't want your sports viewers to think too much, right,
you know, like, and I don't mean to offend anybody
who's a fan of football, like, oh yeah, you guys
are going to be able to catch up to this one.
It's going to take an expert. No, no, no, that's
not what I'm saying at all. What I'm saying is
the game of football is confusing enough already. The game

(01:02:59):
of football has a pretty enormous barrier for entry. You
have to really understand the game before you can really
truly enjoy the game. You know, the systems with the downs,
you know, having four downs per offense, and then it's
like it's pretty confusing to talk to somebody who's never
seen a game before. It's like, why would you ever

(01:03:20):
punt to? Why would you ever give the ball to
the other team? And then you describe field position, you
get into the conversation.

Speaker 1 (01:03:27):
About the points scoring.

Speaker 4 (01:03:28):
You just mentioned a safety that's its own set of points.
An extra point is only worth one point pik elect
for a two point conversion.

Speaker 1 (01:03:36):
A touchdown is six points.

Speaker 3 (01:03:38):
How many times do you see a safety on a kickoff?

Speaker 1 (01:03:40):
Right, Well, that's extremely rare.

Speaker 3 (01:03:42):
It's almost impossible. It's just it's just possible now.

Speaker 4 (01:03:47):
And that's kind of my point is if all of
a sudden, you're a for example, use the example of
a better let's let's talk about betting. Imagine you're somebody
who's got a pretty decent amount of money wagered on
the game, you know, and everybody has their own thresholds
of amount of money that they're comfortable betting on a game.
Can you imagine if a play like that determined the

(01:04:10):
outcome of a bet, you had to have people furious.
And that's the problem for the NFL is there wasn't
really much wrong with the kickoff other than the fact
that it kind of felt like a free play, and
it's like, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:04:25):
Yeah, maybe it is a little bit.

Speaker 4 (01:04:27):
But also you have those magical moments like when what
was his name, Nahem Hines returned to kickoff returns for
touchdowns in the same game, you know, it happens still,
it's still a part of the game. I understand the
excuses for players safety. I understand the idea of trying

(01:04:48):
to find a way to make the game more exciting,
but you're what you're creating is a clunky transition. Fans
are going to have to think. Commentators aren't on board
with it. So you're hearing these commentators like, yeah, well
we'll see how this goes, and it's just like you know,
it's it's a bad sell. It's the change has been

(01:05:08):
it's been a poor rollout.

Speaker 1 (01:05:10):
The soft launch has been poor.

Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
All right, let's find out what is trending right now
as Martin is back.

Speaker 3 (01:05:17):
Martin, have you enjoyed the Olympic Games? I did more
than I thought I was going to.

Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
I'm with you, like in lockstep, that is my exact attitude,
more than I thought I was going to.

Speaker 3 (01:05:28):
I will say, break dancing is not a sport.

Speaker 2 (01:05:30):
No, no, and it will never be back. You saw
it's what it's a it's a Paris sport. But I
mean you would think, I mean you think obviously it
was born in this country, right, but it will not
be part of the agenda at the twenty twenty eight
games in Los Angeles.

Speaker 3 (01:05:45):
So after that Australian woman made a mockery of it.
That's the end of it.

Speaker 9 (01:05:51):
It's like, you know, see something's are competition, somethings are sports.

Speaker 2 (01:05:54):
Well, that's exactly right. There's a lot of things work
competitive about. I mean, why isn't poker an Olympic sport?

Speaker 3 (01:06:01):
Hot dog eating?

Speaker 1 (01:06:03):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:06:03):
Yeah, competition not a sport.

Speaker 4 (01:06:05):
Honestly, I'd rather see hot dog eating than whatever that
breakdancing was.

Speaker 2 (01:06:09):
Well, I mean you have competing, right, which is a sport?
It's featured on the four letter, is it not? Every
Fourth of July? They make a big deal out of it.

Speaker 3 (01:06:19):
Steve, thinking about spelling be going to be an Olympic sport?

Speaker 9 (01:06:25):
That would be interesting with the translation. Do you think
that the Russian contestant would have to spell it in Russian?
And then you know the French contention the things out.

Speaker 4 (01:06:34):
I also would rather watch the spelling bee than breakdancing,
there's no doubt, all right, But.

Speaker 9 (01:06:41):
Would you rather watch Zach Wi football TV than break dancing?
Because that's what's happening right now for the Denver Broncos.

Speaker 2 (01:06:48):
If you had a spelling bee, would you break it
down by weight class.

Speaker 1 (01:06:52):
I don't think that's tell you no, I don't think.

Speaker 8 (01:06:54):
That's lightweight, welter wade, heavyweight, break the record for your
youngest Olympian very quickly.

Speaker 2 (01:07:00):
Age class I guess, like right first spelling me, you
mean like grade age class class. That's what they call
that these days, Steve grades. Yeah, thank you, problem, I gotcha.
Speaking of grades, I'll give it. I'm probably an a
pluff to the Denver Broncos.

Speaker 3 (01:07:17):
I don't know.

Speaker 9 (01:07:17):
I'm not really watching this game. Sorry, I just was
talking up the left side of my mind, exact.

Speaker 2 (01:07:21):
Bo Nicks to be the breakout star this year. And
how's he looking today?

Speaker 3 (01:07:25):
He looks good. Yeah, fifteen twenty one passing. Thank you.
There you go. You got his yards too, touchdown through
a touchdown, all over bow Knicks. I have banked my
entire season on bo Nicks.

Speaker 9 (01:07:34):
Well, I'm telling you this, Uh, this is not reporting.
This is some some bad inside information that I got.
I'm not reading this as a part of the update.
Bo Nicks is the starter, so yeah, nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:07:45):
Will be the starter, and he's going to shock the
world by leading the Broncos to the playoffs.

Speaker 3 (01:07:50):
I'll let you have that one.

Speaker 1 (01:07:52):
Yeah, I do that.

Speaker 3 (01:07:53):
I do that a rich last week and he was not.
He didn't like that thing, could you man? Oh my goodness,
I'm and I'll get to this in just a moment.

Speaker 9 (01:08:01):
But just the madness that would occur if Sean Payton
after Jettison Russell Wilson to Pittsburgh made the playoffs of
Jim Harbaugh on all of this.

Speaker 2 (01:08:10):
You know Charger land La la la la lad Well,
the last guy that the last team to Jennison Russell Wilson.
The Seahawks looked like they had no quarterback, and then
Geno Smith showed up and.

Speaker 3 (01:08:20):
Went to the playoffs that year. So history has precedent here,
that is true.

Speaker 9 (01:08:25):
Bo Nicks fifteen for twenty one, one hundred and twenty
five yards. He played a lot in the second and
third quarters here, one touchdown pass, three rushes, seventeen yards.
Anthony Richardson also saw him in action today two for
four for twenty five yards. Joe Flacco three for five
for twenty eight yards. So saw I mean a total
of seven quarterbacks played in this game.

Speaker 3 (01:08:46):
So and nothing says preseason quite like that.

Speaker 9 (01:08:49):
Just anout an hour away from the Cowboys and the
Rams getting started. You guys were just talking about Trey Lance.
Expected to see quite a bit of him today. In
Major League Baseball, the Cleveland Guardians and the Minnesota Twins
tied one in the sixth inning. Yankees with a five lead,
five run lead over the Rangers six to one in
the sixth, Houston pounding the Red Sox ten to nothing

(01:09:12):
in the sixth inning.

Speaker 3 (01:09:14):
Oakland. They've been up in early in this game and
pretty much the whole time.

Speaker 9 (01:09:18):
Eight to one over Toronto right now in the seventh,
Orioles and Rays one to one in the seventh, Padres
trailing the Marlins five to four win the seventh inning,
two reds Brewers three to two in the fifth, and
the Braves with a one run lead, won nothing in
the second inning. Over at the Colorado Rockies, US women's
basketball team won its eighth straight gold medal this morning.

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They've now won sixty six straight games of Olympic play.
They had a third point deficit a third quarter ten
point deficit, but ended up rallying, of course, to beat
France sixty seven to sixty six.

Speaker 3 (01:09:52):
Aja Wilson had twenty.

Speaker 9 (01:09:53):
One points thirteen rebounds, leading all Americans in Italy took
home gold and the women's volleyball beating US three sets
to none.

Speaker 3 (01:10:02):
As we currently are watching the closing.

Speaker 9 (01:10:04):
Ceremonies, Steve pour one out for the twenty twenty four
Parish Olympics because this thing is over.

Speaker 3 (01:10:11):
You don't got to go home, but you can't stay
there anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:10:14):
Apparently it's a little sweltering the weather right now, because
these athletes are fanning themselves as they enter into the
stadium for these closing ceremonies.

Speaker 3 (01:10:22):
But I think it's cool.

Speaker 2 (01:10:23):
The athletes that won medals have got the medals draped
around their necks and everything else well, and then of
course those that didn't win a metal reminded that they
come home.

Speaker 3 (01:10:31):
You got to tell those athletes with those medals around
the neck. I don't know if you saw this story, but.

Speaker 9 (01:10:35):
The skateboarder I was complaining about his bronze after he
wore it around his sweaty neck was starting.

Speaker 3 (01:10:41):
To turn a little green. Really, so be careful out there, guys.

Speaker 4 (01:10:45):
It was like bronze paint and it was starting to
like rust and melt on him.

Speaker 2 (01:10:52):
I guess it's the idea of the metal more than
the actual medal.

Speaker 9 (01:10:55):
I think I saw that I'd be mad if my
medal started to tarnish, I'd be mad.

Speaker 8 (01:11:00):
I believe I saw that the gold medals are actually
mostly so I think Dan Byer brought this up. They're
mostly silver in composition, which will tarnish. And yeah, I
don't know what's going on with those bronze medals.

Speaker 2 (01:11:11):
But well I know this because I've I've actually seen
like a gold medal or an Olympic gold medal, and
it's actually in a box like they you know, they
have a decorative box.

Speaker 3 (01:11:23):
To sort of put it away.

Speaker 2 (01:11:25):
It's sort of like you're losing Super Bowl, ring rich
where you you have it put away somewhere.

Speaker 1 (01:11:31):
Yeah, that's okay.

Speaker 4 (01:11:32):
Well, yeah, I got a I remember, all of a sudden,
I'm not with the Patriots anymore. I'm in Arizona playing
for the Cardinals, and all of a sudden I receive
a package from the New England Patriots, Like, what the
hell is this? It's one Patriots Way. I was like, oh,
that's old that address. I'm like, I wonder what this is.
So open it up and it's an AFC Championship ring

(01:11:54):
mm hmm. And it has a nice little letter from
Robert Kraft, the owner of the Patriots, and you know,
you know, thank you for your dedicating our hard work.
There's a token of our appreciation. Blah blah blah. And
I'm just like, wait a second. My first reaction was
did they did they accidentally send out super Bowl rings? Like,
because it's a beautiful ring. It looks like a Super

(01:12:16):
Bowl ring.

Speaker 1 (01:12:17):
Hold.

Speaker 4 (01:12:17):
But then I read it again and it said, you know,
for you know, to honor our win at THEFC Championship Game.
And I was like, oh my god. I said, this
is a second place ring. Ye, And then I thought
about it for a second. I put it on my finger.
I said, I can never ever wear this.

Speaker 3 (01:12:34):
Yes, and you've never put it on your finger again?

Speaker 1 (01:12:37):
Yeah, I just have it put away somewhere. It's very nice.

Speaker 4 (01:12:40):
But can you imagine if I walk around wearing that,
people be like, oh my gosh, Patriots, what super Bowl?

Speaker 1 (01:12:45):
They win? No?

Speaker 4 (01:12:45):
No, no, this is from the two thousand and twenty
twelve AFC Championship Game win over the Baltimore Ravens and
then we lost to the Giants in the Super Bowl.

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I want to bring up something I heard Jonas talk
about this. I was looking at the same story and
I don't know if we have the sound. Jerry Zandsky, No,
not the Jerry Zandusky of Penn State infamy. This is
Jerry Zandesky, who's the radio play by play voice of

(01:14:18):
the Baltimore Ravens. He spells it with a G instead
of a J. Smart choice, Yeah, smart choice. So Jerry
Zandusky during a broadcast, suddenly one on this rant, do
we have that sound?

Speaker 3 (01:14:33):
All right, let's hear this.

Speaker 2 (01:14:34):
He's going to be talking about, of all things, the
chain gang at this NFL game.

Speaker 12 (01:14:42):
As you look at the replay, think about this.

Speaker 13 (01:14:45):
We have the technology to put a GPS tracker on mars,
but we still use a bunch of older guys on
the sideline with sticks to measure whether at a ball
carry got a first down or not. Not that I
got the older guys with sticks, but at an age
of wild up high tech data metrics would space.

Speaker 3 (01:15:06):
Stretch out the sticks the shore. All right, you got
it by half of football.

Speaker 1 (01:15:14):
It just seems absurd that in a game where they had.

Speaker 12 (01:15:18):
GPS trackers on players shoulder pads, they have nineteen different
levels of algorithms to measure everything.

Speaker 13 (01:15:25):
In the NFL, we still use guys with glasses who
are no longer what you call physically.

Speaker 12 (01:15:31):
Fit trotting out a pair of sticks to measure first down.

Speaker 2 (01:15:35):
All right, So on the other side, I want to
get into this because modern technology obviously he's right. I mean,
we can, you know, send a mission to Mars, right,
and yet we still have guys with chains, you know,
measuring But by the way, gets back to the gambling
aspect of the NFL, where an inch could be thousands.

Speaker 3 (01:15:56):
Of dollars one way or the other. So think about this.
Should we remain with that?

Speaker 2 (01:16:01):
And by the way, if you're going to get rid
of the chain gang, I got something that's way more
important than that in deciding where the ball actually is.

Speaker 3 (01:16:10):
We'll talk about it when we returned.

Speaker 2 (01:16:12):
This is Fox Sports Sunday, Steve Harvin, rich Ormburger Here
Fox Sports Sunday. We're live from the tire rack dot
Com studios. So Jonas was doing his show yesterday. Bo
producing that show, and I thought it was an interesting
conversation talking about this announcer for the Ravens, Jerry Zandsky,

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in this high tech world, calling out the fact that
we still have these chain gangs.

Speaker 1 (01:16:40):
Bo.

Speaker 2 (01:16:41):
I think you did a little research on how much
these guys are paid still, what is it, seventy five
hundred dollars a game something like that.

Speaker 10 (01:16:48):
Yeah, and the crucchief gets a free season ticket as well.
At some teams.

Speaker 2 (01:16:51):
Oh well that's you know, some guys give more or less.
But I mean it is pretty weird, like in this
high tech world that we still have, you know. And
then they bring out the chains and then you find
out you're like, you know, they stretch out. It's the
dramatic stretching out of the chains, like you know, we
see this all the time, like, oh, it looks like
he's got it and then they stretch it out.

Speaker 3 (01:17:12):
All he's short by an inch. Say that all the time.

Speaker 1 (01:17:15):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:17:16):
And my thought immediately because Jonas decided, I'm old school.

Speaker 3 (01:17:21):
I want to just keep it the way it is.

Speaker 2 (01:17:23):
But I'm thinking to myself, I'm less concerned about the
chain gang and more concerned about where officials actually place
a football.

Speaker 3 (01:17:32):
We see this all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:17:33):
You know, how many times do they bring a new
football into the game and then they put the ball down.
I'm like, that's not where it went right, that's no,
I'm watching eyeball task. You put the ball down three
inches away from where it was. And then when you're
measuring the ball, where do you when you put the
ball down? Is that the nose of the ball, the
middle of the ball. All of this has a major effect.

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Ultimately when you start bringing out the chains and everything else,
are like, oh, we're one in short, gonna go for it,
not gonna go for it. These are the kind of
decisions that can literally make or break careers, careers, seasons,
super Bowl championships. So in this day and age, not
only do you not need the chain gags, but you

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could electronically accurately place the football on every single play. Yeah,
if there was a mechanism in the football of where
it makes contact with the field, you know, you can
see these pile ups and everything else. Forget that we
have the technology to correct this. So which way is
it going to be for you?

Speaker 3 (01:18:36):
Rich?

Speaker 2 (01:18:36):
Are you going to stay old school where the human
element is a big part of the game, or are
you going to use the maximum technology to get it right?

Speaker 4 (01:18:45):
Well here's here's I have two thoughts that compete with
each other at once. I agree accuracy is important, but
I also want everybody to understand when you turn on
a football game, accuracy is way less important than entertainment.
This is still entertainment. And if somehow that technology slows

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down the game to the point where these games balloon
up to being a half hour longer, there's there's more
discussion over the exact spot of each football if you
start allowing coaches to be able to you know, challenge
you know, spots more often as a result.

Speaker 1 (01:19:26):
Of the new technology, and then you get into the
weeds with some of the other changes that could come
with that.

Speaker 13 (01:19:31):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:19:32):
I look, I'm a fan.

Speaker 4 (01:19:34):
I'm a fan first of football from the standpoint of
it's it's entertainment value. I think it is the most
entertaining product on television right now, bar none. And that's
above all the reality television shows everything. It's the most
entertaining thing you can watch on television. If you institute
this technology, I promise you it's going to slow down games.

Speaker 1 (01:19:56):
And that's where I'm with Jonas.

Speaker 4 (01:19:57):
So, Yes, accuracy is important to me, and I hope
they find a way to be both accurate and timely,
because I don't want to sit there and sit through
more ads, you know, the kind of split screen where
you're watching the officials figure it out on the field
while they're you know, showing you the new Chaloupa Taco Bell.

Speaker 1 (01:20:14):
I'm not into that, so figure it out, but figure
it out fast.

Speaker 3 (01:20:18):
Oh are you a fan of what Jonah said or
what do you think?

Speaker 10 (01:20:22):
I think people are gonna miss like the charm of
the old school ways if we ever go fully automated.
So I'm with Jonas.

Speaker 2 (01:20:28):
Yeah, I mean again, the pulling of the chain. You know,
we see it all the time, right, Oh, you got it?

Speaker 1 (01:20:34):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:20:34):
No, and they beke it a little bit more, miss
binanch All right.

Speaker 2 (01:20:38):
Coming up on the other side, John Paul Morosi's gonna
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I want to get back to the Olympics closing ceremonies

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going on right now. And you know, there are things
that happened during the Olympics where you're just.

Speaker 3 (01:21:24):
Your your mind's blown.

Speaker 2 (01:21:26):
This woman from the Netherlands that won the marathon today,
she also won bronze medals in both the five thousand
and ten thousand meter.

Speaker 1 (01:21:38):
In a week.

Speaker 3 (01:21:40):
By the way, back in the nineteen fifty two Games,
give you a little history lesson.

Speaker 2 (01:21:44):
Here, there was a male runner named Emil Zadapek who
was the top five thousand meters ten thousand meter runner
in the world. By the way, five thousand meters is
roughly three miles ten thousand and six miles. And he
won the double and then the last second he decided,
what the heck, I'm gonna run the marathon and he won.

Speaker 3 (01:22:06):
He'd never run a marathon before. So that's a three
mile gold, a six mile gold, and then a twenty
six mile gold.

Speaker 1 (01:22:14):
Good lord.

Speaker 2 (01:22:14):
So this woman from the Netherlands, she did. She didn't
win three gold, but she won three medals in a week.
I mean, it's sometimes you you you're owed by how
far the human body can be pushed. And we see
it in all kinds of sports, because all sports have
you know, look I've seen you eat and I'm like, wow,

(01:22:38):
that is it's amazing. How but I mean seriously, sometimes
the uh these Olympic athletes, because we're constantly hearing world record,
war record, war record, like you know, like it's commonplace.

Speaker 3 (01:22:52):
Like is there a limit? I mean, how far can
we go well with the human body?

Speaker 1 (01:22:58):
And uh?

Speaker 3 (01:22:59):
But just I watched her receiver gold medal and.

Speaker 2 (01:23:03):
It just and she she admitted that throughout the race
she kept saying to herself, why did I run those
other races?

Speaker 3 (01:23:11):
I'm really tired? And yeah, she pushed her body all
the way to a gold medal.

Speaker 2 (01:23:16):
I mean it's like, why was I Why did I
run the three mile and six mile race when I'm
running a twenty six mile race.

Speaker 1 (01:23:22):
Well, I to answer your question.

Speaker 4 (01:23:25):
We know because it's been proven in nature through experimenting
that you can you can force evolution a little bit.
You know, evolution, if you believe in it, means that
things adapt to a changing environment in favorable ways for survival.
So if you have a situation where you're tasking somebody,

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an athlete, for example, with some of these feats of
human strength or endurance or speed or agility that requires
you know, not only tell, but a certain genetic makeup,
and then that person also breeds with somebody who has
similar genetic makeup. Like what happens, you know, the athletes

(01:24:12):
know each other. They they run in similar circles, you know,
and so many times you'll see a football player like
like Christian McCaffrey who's born of two athletes, my children,
My wife's a Division one volleyball player. Like you know,
it it happens where sometimes you have you have these
combinations that lead to you know, almost almost a better

(01:24:35):
opportunity to create, to create better athletes in the future.
So I I do think that, you know, the same way,
you could take two tomato plants and find a way
to cross pollinate and you have a more heat resistant tomato,
or you have a tomato that stays riper for longer,
or you have a tomato that's more resistant to insects,
you know, whatever it may be. That's all genetics, and

(01:24:57):
that's that's that's what happens with human populations as well.

Speaker 11 (01:25:02):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:25:02):
So I do think that we're going to continue to
see world records smashed. I do think as science and
technology helps foster better care for athletes, better nutrition, better
strength training techniques, better rest techniques, better recovery techniques. Yeah,
I think we're gonna I don't think it ever stops.

(01:25:22):
I think we're going to see these world records and
Olympic records.

Speaker 1 (01:25:27):
Be pushed and pushed and pushed. I think the human
potential is limitless.

Speaker 2 (01:25:31):
Well, but some rikords do stand the test the time.
I'll give you an example. We were watching the men's
high jump, you know, jump off at the end. By
the way, they both missed at seven feet nine inches.
I know they used the metric system, but for our purpos,
it's like seven feet nine inches. The only jumper ever

(01:25:53):
to clear eight feet, and he did it twice, was
the great Cuban jumper, Javier Sotomayor. He was a goal
medalist of Barcelona ninety two. He set the record in
nineteen ninety three. That's thirty years ago. No one's done
it since, no one did it before, no one's done
it since. When you look at you say bolts numbers

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nine five eight nine five eight.

Speaker 1 (01:26:19):
Who is ever gonna break that?

Speaker 2 (01:26:22):
I mean, he was the perfect running machine because he
was so long and had those let I mean, I
don't know. Sometimes there is a limit and then we
get that one special individual that just has the physical
ability to do something that no one has ever done
before and no one will ever do again.

Speaker 1 (01:26:41):
It's well, listen.

Speaker 4 (01:26:42):
I I will say this though, unless rules change like
that four big players from being able to ork athletes
from being able to break records because it's under a
different criteria.

Speaker 1 (01:26:55):
I do think all records will fall over time.

Speaker 4 (01:26:59):
I mean, if you give human potential long enough, all
records will be caught. And also, you know, and this
is perfect timing as we welcome on JP Morosi here
in a little bit to talk some Major League baseball.

Speaker 1 (01:27:10):
The pendulum swings back and forth.

Speaker 4 (01:27:12):
You know, we were talking about will we ever see
another three hundred wins starting pitcher, because you know, they disallow.

Speaker 1 (01:27:18):
These starters go very deep in games.

Speaker 4 (01:27:20):
I want to ask JP about that because Paul Skins
and how he's being handled many other young pitchers who
or pitchers in general.

Speaker 1 (01:27:28):
Blake's now his whole career. How many times has he
seen the seventh inning?

Speaker 4 (01:27:32):
You know, It's it's interesting how the pendulum swings one
way really hard, and everybody thinks like, oh, geez, we
got to protect these pictures arms. We got to protect
these pictures arms. But then all of a sudden, the
pendulum can swing back the other way, and maybe there's
a guy who has a different arm care routine and
it's not considered over exertion to push the limits of

(01:27:53):
you know, your arm, and maybe we get back to
a day where we do see pitchers on the mound,
you know, completing games and things like that. I I
guess that's my point is, as long as the rules
of the game of the competition don't fundamentally change, I
think the human potential is limitless to keep pushing records
lower and lower and better and better, because I think

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human beings, over time, we get better at everything, just
about everything.

Speaker 3 (01:28:21):
So that gets back to performance enhancers.

Speaker 2 (01:28:25):
In other words, if we're really pushing the limits on
what the human body can do, you know, where do
you draw the line. Well, I mean as a spectator,
and I've had many conversations with people about this, you know,
the idea of it's not my body, but if somebody

(01:28:47):
else wants to do it to themselves, and you know,
to do something that has never been done.

Speaker 3 (01:28:52):
Before, I'm sort of for it as a spectator. And
this is this is the fine line.

Speaker 2 (01:29:00):
I mean again, when we talk about Olympic Games, and
you know, we were talking about the gender controversy or
as it turned out, I don't think as controversials.

Speaker 3 (01:29:10):
Some people try to make it out to be.

Speaker 1 (01:29:13):
But we've had.

Speaker 3 (01:29:17):
Cheaters. But hang on, hang on, let me let me
write Olympic history.

Speaker 1 (01:29:21):
Let me bring up a sport that that it is
very obvious that.

Speaker 4 (01:29:28):
Steroid used, that that performance enhancing drugs have been involved
in pretty much from from the start bodybuilding. Bodybuilding is
a sport where you are seeing competitors push their body
to limits that that are are frankly dangerous, you know,

(01:29:48):
I mean the amount of there we've.

Speaker 3 (01:29:50):
Been a lot of them that dropped out of heart
attacks at a very young age.

Speaker 4 (01:29:54):
Yeah, organ failure, all that type stuff, you know, and
it's because they're getting they're packing on all of this
muscle and then they're losing a tremendous amount of weight,
including water weight, so they can you know, stress their
body into looking as you know, vascular and sinewy as
possible even though they're massive muscular beings. That that's a

(01:30:15):
really dangerous sport and it's a it's a severe commitment
you got to make, and it's amazing what you're able
to do, what the human potential.

Speaker 1 (01:30:24):
Is capable of.

Speaker 4 (01:30:25):
However, it's not a very popular sport in terms of
viewership or interest, and I think it's because people look
at it as cheating, even though it's difficult. Trust me,
I've known a couple of bodybuilders, and the commitment that
it takes to even be a bad bodybuilder or someone
who doesn't rate very high is it's it's all consuming.

Speaker 1 (01:30:47):
It's all consuming. It's all you do, it's all you
think about, it's every day.

Speaker 4 (01:30:52):
But it's not very popular because even that the person
who I'm citing specifically, even he gets called the cheater
by people. You know, people will slide into his DMS
and tell him, yeah, like, you wouldn't be anybody if
it weren't for the steroids. And it's true to a
certain extent. You know, you need steroids to compete in
that sport. But I think that's what diminishes people's interest.

(01:31:13):
If you started allowing athletes to use performance enhancing drugs
to achieve these great, great records by any means necessary,
I promise you people will be less impressed by these records.
I promise you they would. You need to have boundaries
in order to have a game. Football needs to have

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end zones and end lines and sidelines.

Speaker 1 (01:31:36):
Otherwise it would like, I mean, what, you just play
on an open field.

Speaker 4 (01:31:40):
You need rules, you need confines for competition to be interesting.
And so that's the reason why I think performance enhancing
drugs need to be limited or eliminated in order to
have fair competition, because you need to create boundaries for
people to be interested. Part of the interest in sport
is seeing if people can compete to the best of

(01:32:01):
their ability inside of the rules of the game.

Speaker 1 (01:32:04):
It's like playing checkers with a kid. You know, they
make up their own rules.

Speaker 4 (01:32:07):
It's like you're not allowed to move two spaces just
because you feel like it. Well, if everybody did that,
it would be Checkers would be less interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:32:15):
So I think you're wrong, Steve. I think I honestly,
I understand what you're saying.

Speaker 4 (01:32:20):
It's fascinating to see people push their limits and use
performance handsing drugs. But if that were true, bodybuilding would
be the top sport in the world.

Speaker 1 (01:32:29):
And it's not.

Speaker 2 (01:32:30):
Well, one guy that refuses to use PDS just to
make it fair is joining us on the other side.
That's right, John Paul Morosi, our MLB insider, will join us.
This is Fox Sports Sunday, Steve Harman and rich Armburger.
This is Fox Sports Sunday, and we are live from
the tai iraq dot Com studios. And is indeed an
honor for us every single week to have the good

(01:32:55):
fortune of sharing time with a gentleman that wears many hats,
many and works for many people because he sought after,
sought after, and and he does it without any ped
use that I know of. Okay, there's no performance announcing
drugs of this man. He is all natural. He knows
it all, even if he won't admit it, but we'll

(01:33:16):
say it. He is a great John Paul Morosi, JP,
Am I right that you are not not using peds.

Speaker 11 (01:33:24):
That is correct, unless one would count Italian coffee as
that that could be a performance ENHANSWERB.

Speaker 1 (01:33:33):
There's no question about it, especially some of those robustos.

Speaker 3 (01:33:37):
Yeah, exactly, all right. So I always found it interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:33:43):
You remember when it was who was it was a
Keith Hernandez was doing something with viagra, and I'm like,
isn't that a performance sciencing drug. I don't understand how
he's getting away with that. All right, let's talk about
where we are right now. You know, the trade deadline
is coming gone. I know we talk about this team
a lot, but there's a reason they spent over a
billion dollars in the offseason on new contracts, and once again,

(01:34:06):
the Dodgers are fighting to keep their head atop the
National League West right now with the red hot Padres
on their heels and the Diamondbacks not far behind. Give
us an update right now on where the Dodgers stand
in terms of their pitching. Flarerday has come in and
thrown a couple of really good gains for them, but
there's still so many question marks.

Speaker 3 (01:34:26):
Are they going to get across the finish line first
in the NL West?

Speaker 11 (01:34:30):
Well, see, it's an excellent question. And they are in
a fight, I believe to the very end, because just
in the last couple hours came the news that River Ryan,
who has been one of their stars of the last
month or so, an emerging rookie talent, is lost for
the rest of the season. And that is that is
devastating news for the Los Angeles Dodgers. Of course, he

(01:34:52):
left last night's showdown with Paul Schemes early due to
what they hoped was a mild injury. It is not
a mild injury, and Dave Roberts just made that news
official here within the last couple hours. So it's anybody's
division right now. I really did not think that at
this stage, with this much schedule left, that I would

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be saying that it's a wide open race, and the
Dodgers probably still have the edge in a lot of ways.
They do get Mookie Betts back tomorrow in Milwaukee, so
that's going to give them a huge lift. He's gonna
come back and play right field, so that's at least
a part of the plan. And of course Freddy Freeman
has been back for a while and Showy looks like
still the best hitter in the National League. But they're

(01:35:36):
pitching is a massive question. They're very fortunate now to
have Jack Flaherty, They're gonna need to have Stone be
really consistent down the stretch. I just keep wondering about
if they have enough starting depth at a time where
the Podreys, who at last sec word a one run
game in the ninth inning, they continue to get very
good pitching the Diamondbacks, reminding everybody why they were the

(01:35:59):
nash League representative in the World Series last year. So
I look at this as being a wide open race.
It is no longer a sure thing that the Dodgers
finished first. And let's remember here this team, the Dodgers
one and six in their last two postseason runs, and
we'll see out what happens in October unbelievable.

Speaker 4 (01:36:21):
How about the other side that matchup with Paul Skeins
being I don't want to say worry sim right now
as we're cruising toward the end of the season, but
there have been some interesting statistical analysis done on him.
His first five starts, he had fifty three pitches thrown
at one hundred plus miles per hour. From starts six

(01:36:45):
through ten, he only had twenty one such pitches over
one hundred miles per hour. The next five games starts
eleven through fifteen, only four pitches over one hundred miles
per hour. He's known as the flamethrower, or it's an
enormous part of his game. Is this an argument for
shutting down or at very least being careful with schemes

(01:37:07):
the rest of the way.

Speaker 11 (01:37:09):
I think so just simply because this is still a
level of demands and rest that he's never had before,
and now he's had high pitch counts before. I want
to be clear about that. He's done that with LSU
in the past. But the main difference rich between the
minor league schedule and the major league schedule is the

(01:37:31):
lack of off days, and Monday now is a universal
off day in the minor league, so really only pitching
once a week. It's similar, honestly to what the schedule
is in NTB in Japan. And so I think the
schemes right now, I don't think he's I don't think
he's hurt. I do think he might just be now

(01:37:52):
you're taking the toll of the long season. It's certainly
common for a lot of pitchers to have this experience
of the month of August where their arm is not
as lively as it's been in the past. They would not, be,
in my estimation, putting him out there at all if
they feel like they were jeopardizing his health. And there's
a lot of pitchers who when they face the Dodgers

(01:38:14):
this year, would love to have a pitching line like
the one he had last night, which was fixed and
his four earned with eight strikeouts in only one walk.
So he's still making pitches. He's maybe relying a bit
more often now on the splinker that we've heard so
much about during the course of the season. So I
think that might be him adapting a bit more to
just the demands and then getting himself through the season.

(01:38:35):
And I think you raised a very good point. The
Pirates are are still four games under five hundred. They're
not really in the thick of the NL wild card race.
They haven't been totally knocked out of it yet, but
they're not exactly in the heart of it either. So
I think you wait and see how the next several
weeks ago, and if at some point you're seeing a
real significant diminishment in the fastball quality, not just the

(01:38:59):
fat basketball VLO, but the quality of its effectiveness, then
maybe you really taper his workload around the middle of September.

Speaker 2 (01:39:07):
So are your favorite team, the Detroit Tigers, about to
crown a new not just Saya an award winner, but
a triple Crown winner for pitching.

Speaker 11 (01:39:19):
Krek Kooble. I tell you what he is special, and
as we talk about what he's been able to do,
here so far, he right now leads the American League
in strikeouts, leads the American League in era. Obviously, he's
probably not going to be the wins leader necessarily, although
right now he's tied with the AL lead. It's going
to be a bit of a challenge because of honestly,

(01:39:41):
the way the Tigers have played this season, for him
to win seventeen eighteen games, maybe that's probably at about
the higher level of where.

Speaker 5 (01:39:49):
He can get.

Speaker 11 (01:39:50):
Could another pitcher from a more competitive and better team
get there, But I think he's got a shot, a
legitimate chance. You think about pitching triple crowns being a
little more common than the hitting triple crowns, that it
is still somebody that you talk about for a long
time when someone does it. So it would be amazingly special,

(01:40:11):
and I think it would validate Steve the choice of
the Tigers to not trade Trek Scouoble at the deadline.
Scott Harris, their president of baseball operations, listen to offers
from schoobl or on Schooble, for example, but obviously the
Orioles were one team that was heavily involved in that,
but Scott Eris kept him. I think it was the

(01:40:31):
right call, and now that the Tigers may enjoy a
historic finish to the year. And again, this is a
good thing. And there's a reason why sometimes you keep
players beyond just optimizing their value at the trade deadline.
And when you think about the potential of having a
pitching triple crown finishing the year strong, having some big
starts at Comerica Park, people will buy tickets to watch

(01:40:54):
this guy pitch because Tariff Schouoble, quite simply in this moment,
is the best pitcher in Major League Baseball.

Speaker 1 (01:41:00):
JP Morosi joining us Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 4 (01:41:02):
You know, it's finally time where we can look forward
to the postseason and not sound completely ridiculous about it.
The divisional races, the wildcard races. This is a little
more generalized, but in general, what do you think of
the changes that we saw come to baseball's postseason back
in twenty twenty two.

Speaker 1 (01:41:22):
We now have had two seasons of it. Do you
like it? They expanded wildcard?

Speaker 11 (01:41:29):
I do I do like it? It certainly. I like it,
probably more rich than a lot of the heavy favorites
that have been knocked out in the first rounds. The
Dodgers probably fall into that category. Yeah, the Baltimore Orioles, who,
of course fell to the Rangers a year ago. I
think I'm okay with I'm actually good with the format

(01:41:51):
because it involves more teams, it keeps more franchise as
a fan base is engaged with baseball over the full
sleep of the year. It still results in a more
selective postseason than any other postseason in American pro sports.
So I think it's still preserves, in my view, the
sanctity of the regular season. If there's any takeaway, it

(01:42:12):
is this building a team for the postseason is different
than building a team for the regular season. And we
have seen this happen the other four We always talk
about a lot, of course in our conversations the National
Hockey League. Look how many times you've seen seventh or
eight seeds find their stand the cup finals. It is

(01:42:33):
much more common in that sport than it is even
in baseball. And it's because winning in the playoffs is
different than winning in the regular season. And I think
it's interesting to me the number of franchises that just
basically throw up their hands and say, listen, we're gonna
build our team for the regular season and just hope
that if we make the playoffs often enough, eventually we'll

(01:42:55):
get to the World Series. And I'm not saying that
that's the way the dodd do it, but sometimes it
feels that way when you consider the way that they
have had struggles to sustain their success for the regular
season into the month of October. And so in my estimation,
there's a lot of teams that might be frustrated about this.
But we got to remember this. It's almost like two

(01:43:17):
different sports. There's regular season baseball and tournament baseball, and
when you get tournament baseball, and all of a sudden,
your pitching changes a little bit, and the way you
have to score runs changes a bit, and the lineup
construction matters in a different way. It's not as though
the managers can say, well, this is all surprising me.
There are no surprises here. We know what playoff baseball

(01:43:39):
is like. The Diamondbacks earned a passing grade last year
and the Winds the Philadelphia A Phillies did not. Even
though I would say the Phillies had the more talented team,
it didn't matter. The Diamondbacks executed is better in the
National League Championship Series, and the Diamondbacks illustrate to me
that there's a reason why teams should stay engaged. There's
a lot of hope and the faith through some because

(01:44:00):
to get hot at the right time of the year,
you can nind up playing in the last game in
the season, just as the Diamondbacks to a year ago.

Speaker 2 (01:44:07):
All Right, one more final quick question for me. So
back in nineteen sixty eight, the infamous year of the pitcher,
Carl Yastremsky saved the American League the embarrassment of not
having a single batter hit three hundred. He sneaked in
with a three to zer one batting average to win
the batting title that year. I'm looking at these National
league averages. We could have a year where a league

(01:44:28):
doesn't have a single three hundred hitter. I mean, they're
right at three hundred, three oh one, three zho two.
They got like three guys and we still got a
lot of baseball left. What kind of impact would that
have if we actually had a league that went an
entire season and at the end did not have a
single three hundred hitter.

Speaker 11 (01:44:48):
Well, first of all, Steve, I trust in our man
Luis Areas. I believe that he will find a way
to finish the year above three hundred. But that being said, Steve,
we have had so many statistical anomalies recent years, most
notably the absolutely egregious numbers of strikeouts for a long
period of time, that if that kind of stuff hasn't

(01:45:10):
hasn't shamed people with these batting averages under two hundred,
And I'm not sure what will. I think whether it's
a thousand of a percentage point one hundred differ percentage
point one more or the other. I think that honestly,
that that number will never be as important or as
significant to players as their salary. If players are still

(01:45:34):
getting paid for production and making a bunch of money,
even if they're hitting two forty three or seventy or
two thirty nine, whatever it might be, they're gonna gladly
take that. So I think a I believe that Riyas
will save them all and be even if he doesn't,
I don't think that we're gonna hear a lot of
teams changing course because the players themselves want to put

(01:45:57):
up their power numbers and they'll take the strikeouts and
low average that go.

Speaker 1 (01:46:01):
Along with it.

Speaker 3 (01:46:02):
Well, I'll tell you what jp it is that time
and Rich You're absolutely right.

Speaker 2 (01:46:06):
We can talk some postseason because we are marching down
to the finish line here in Major League Baseball. JP
is always clean as a whistle, doing the job better
than anybody else.

Speaker 3 (01:46:18):
We always appreciate the time. JP will talk to you
next Sunday.

Speaker 11 (01:46:21):
Hey, you guys are the greatest. And by the way,
next Sunday, I'll be in Williamsport, PA Little League Classic.
I will drive by. I'll drive by the richest Jersey number,
which of course is retired there in Happy Valley. On
the way home, I'll call you guys from the site.

Speaker 1 (01:46:37):
Okay, very very.

Speaker 2 (01:46:38):
Good, excellent, excellent, excellent, all right, very good. Here he
is the great John PALMERROSI. Actually Rich's number is retired
by his high school. That's right, Yeah, yeah, you're on
full display.

Speaker 1 (01:46:48):
Told my high school football coach that's ridiculous.

Speaker 4 (01:46:51):
You can go ahead and just let anybody who wants
to wear it wear seventy eight. It's such an ugly
number anyways, and he was just like, no, no, I'm
not gonna to do that. This is the house that
Rich built. And while I'm flattered, I think it's really stupid.

Speaker 2 (01:47:05):
Well, I just love the shrine they have for you. Someday,
I'm gonna visit that shrine and get a lot of
pictures taken in front of that tril. Let's find out
what is trending right now. Speaking of shrines, think about this.
We have three Big Ten people all together here. Rich
is a Penn State guy, yep, Martin's a Michigan.

Speaker 7 (01:47:26):
Guy, that's right.

Speaker 3 (01:47:27):
And I'm a use Cla guy, just dripping with big tip.

Speaker 9 (01:47:31):
That's what they say, you know, real true history of
the Big Ten right there, U CLA, Michigan, all those
big rivalries.

Speaker 2 (01:47:37):
Penn State, I mean, you know, yeah, Bruins, we'd all
come together.

Speaker 1 (01:47:44):
That's right.

Speaker 9 (01:47:46):
Well, speaking of who would have thought you see eight
quarterbacks in a preseason game, That's what we saw earlier
today with the Broncos and the Colts quarterbacks of note,
no offense than anybody else. Sorry Jason Bean, but bo
Nicks was a fifteen for twenty one, one hundred and
twenty five yards, passing one touchdown. Zach Wilson played the
entire fourth quarter ten for thirteen, one hundred and seventeen yards.

(01:48:08):
Anthony Richardson only through four passes with twenty five yards,
passing Joe Flacco, five passes for him, three completions, twenty
eight yards.

Speaker 3 (01:48:16):
Broncos win.

Speaker 1 (01:48:18):
What is that now?

Speaker 9 (01:48:19):
Thirty four to thirty in a game that, of course
nobody cares about the final score. Coming up, we have
another one of these, as my friend Dave Daniship likes
to call them, Civil War reenactments between the Dallas Cowboys
and the Los Angeles Rams. Saw Stetton Bennett warming up.
Also expected to see a lot of Trey Lance today.
So we'll see what the former San Francisco forty nine

(01:48:42):
and we'll do in a little bit of game action here,
especially when we consider that Dak Prescott's contract is not
exactly resolved.

Speaker 3 (01:48:49):
Major League Baseball. The Guardians lead to Twins five to one.

Speaker 1 (01:48:52):
In the eighth.

Speaker 3 (01:48:52):
Yankees had a five to one leading this game. Now
it's eight to six over the Rangers. In the eighth inning.
Astros beat the Red Sox ten to two.

Speaker 9 (01:49:00):
Dodgers right now leading the Pittsburgh Pirates two to nothing
in the second inning. The Phillies lead the Diamondbacks two
to one in the second. Giants with a two to
one lead over the Tigers. In the second, Red's Brewers
Cincinnati with a four to three lead in the ninth
and the Braves have a three to two lead over
the Colorado Rockies. Earlier today, the Angels meet the Nationals

(01:49:23):
six to four. Also earlier today, US women's basketball won
its eighth straight gold medal.

Speaker 3 (01:49:29):
They were down by ten in the third quarter ended up.

Speaker 9 (01:49:32):
Rallying back to beat France sixty seven to sixty six.
Asia Wilson twenty one points thirteen rebounds as she prepares
to head back to the WNBA season, where she is
the presumptive favorite for MVP. The US women's national team
has now won sixty six straight games at the Olympics,
and Italy took home the gold and women's volleyball beating

(01:49:53):
the US three sets to nine. Closing ceremonies going on
right now, Steve, can you can you balance yourself on
the handstand like my guy is on top of that
circle right there?

Speaker 3 (01:50:03):
How many times have you tried to do that? Again?

Speaker 2 (01:50:07):
I watched these people and I questioned whether we're of
the same race or whether we're the same species species?

Speaker 3 (01:50:16):
There you go, there, I know what you meant, though,
how are these do these people put their pants on
the same way.

Speaker 1 (01:50:22):
That I do?

Speaker 3 (01:50:22):
I'm not sure I have.

Speaker 1 (01:50:23):
No idea how they are you looking at? What do you?

Speaker 3 (01:50:26):
Guys We're watching the closing ceremonies right now.

Speaker 2 (01:50:29):
They have this big circle thing and guys are balancing
their bodies on it and everything else.

Speaker 3 (01:50:35):
I mean, they're they're doing a pretty good show, either.

Speaker 1 (01:50:38):
Of you Tube Martin er Steve been to like a
cirk do Sola, I know this is.

Speaker 9 (01:50:44):
I was legit thinking Blue Man Group because they're all
wearing gray Blue Man Group slash us Alay.

Speaker 2 (01:50:51):
My kids were young, we used to go to the
Ringling Brothers h every year. It was like an annual
event to take the kids to see the show.

Speaker 1 (01:50:59):
And I got into it.

Speaker 3 (01:51:00):
You know, I hadn't. I don't remember really going to
the circus all that much as a kid.

Speaker 4 (01:51:05):
That's the one thing that I really do when you say,
like you look at a person and you say like, yeah,
I'm we are not the same thing. Gymnasts When I
watch would jymnasts do I mean look, I as a
former athlete and a football player, yeah, I mean move
like my job as an offensive lineman, I felt like
you know, I mean I moved people out of the

(01:51:26):
way for a living, Like that was what I did.
There's a little more nuanced and technique, but essentially what
I'm doing is big guy moved that other big guy
out of the way.

Speaker 14 (01:51:34):
I don't think you were built for the pommel horse.
But see that's what I was about to go to
the pommel horse. Remember the nerdy guy with Lark Clark Kent.
He went super viral. He takes off the glasses, he
can't see a damn thing.

Speaker 4 (01:51:46):
He gets on the pommel horse and he helps the
US win the was it the overall golden in gym?

Speaker 3 (01:51:51):
That that was his only event? It was his only event, right,
and he said he got the bronze on it.

Speaker 1 (01:51:56):
I watched that routine.

Speaker 4 (01:51:57):
It's sixty seconds of this guy walking around on his hands.

Speaker 1 (01:52:02):
Yes, I just what like what I mean?

Speaker 4 (01:52:06):
If that can't my shoulder, I'd leave an arm on
on the pommel horse. I would twist an arm off,
and I would there'd be blood everywhere. Well my point
is there, would you put your two hands down on
the bomber horse and then lift your legs up parallel
to your body?

Speaker 1 (01:52:25):
No, Steve, No, I couldn't.

Speaker 3 (01:52:30):
You don't have enough. I think I got too much
about the ring.

Speaker 1 (01:52:38):
Ring caboose there's way too much to me.

Speaker 2 (01:52:40):
Can you imagine the guys that do the cross, you
know on the rings where they stand their arms and
they're like, you.

Speaker 4 (01:52:46):
Know, holding out the iron cross. Yeah, that's what they
call when they're holding the arm. I think he could
do that straight out for me. Yeah, and the whole No, No,
here's the thing. Can you imagine what my shoulders would
have to look like to carry a two hundred and
eighty pound frame just by just by your latitimus door side.

Speaker 1 (01:53:06):
Yeah, it would look like a like a mythical creature.

Speaker 9 (01:53:09):
But rich, I do gotta ask you this because you
got me thinking about this, right, because you see all
these gymnastics and World Strongest Man and so on and
so forth, what training camp exercise would could potentially be
an Olympic sport? My first thought was tackling sled distance push.
Oh okay, so like a sled push exactly like you.

Speaker 4 (01:53:30):
Okay, you know what, Martin, You may be onto something,
because I'll tell you right now if you want, if
you want to have like a lot more interest in
some of these fringe add on Olympic activities, you start
incorporating more.

Speaker 1 (01:53:44):
Strong man stuff, like can you imagine if how about.

Speaker 3 (01:53:47):
One hundred meters sled push or.

Speaker 4 (01:53:49):
How about that soon, I'm saying, Steve, yeah, tracking right,
strong man, Okay, tell me how many times it's I
don't know, the middle of the night.

Speaker 1 (01:53:56):
You got home from the bars.

Speaker 4 (01:53:57):
Yeah, you turn on ESPN and they got the strong
and they're out somewhere in Polynesia or Southeast Asia and
they're pulling tractor trailers.

Speaker 2 (01:54:04):
Tractor trailers, they're pulling airplanes. I've seen them pull planes.

Speaker 4 (01:54:08):
Dude, let's do the plane poll. Yeah, why are we
break dancing? Well, next Olympics in La we'll get them
out at LAX. I'd watched that a million times over
by Well, let's us.

Speaker 3 (01:54:18):
Hold this thought.

Speaker 2 (01:54:19):
I think there are a few mother sports that we
must consider for future Olympic Games. We'll break it down.
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Speaker 3 (01:55:27):
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Speaker 2 (01:55:30):
Want to thank the guys today Martin jumping in for
Monse today doing a brilliant job bringing this updated on
everything going on. A very busy final day of the Olympics.
We have preseason football, baseball, a lot of things going
on right now. Chris I got to asking out that
we are watching these closing ceremonies you've watched these Olympics.

(01:55:51):
It's part of your family history. Have we determined your
father has been to six or seven?

Speaker 7 (01:55:57):
So I mean, I can't count because I'm dumb.

Speaker 8 (01:56:01):
So let's say Munich Soul to Barcelona, Atlanta and Sydney. Okay,
los Angeles and Los Angeles eighty four eighty four. That's said, yeah, okay,
so it's ingranted, So give it. Give us a letter
grade for these Paris games. A hey, I have to
give it an A. Like Paris has been great scenes.
I loved the opening ceremonies. I loved everything about it,

(01:56:24):
especially on the seen. I know some people were unhappy
with the imagery, but whatever, those people don't understand what's
going on in the rest of the world sometimes, like
the events have been phenomenal. I you know, I don't
have as down an opinion as Brak of breaking. I
can understand why it's not coming back. Look, we had
no stories with Noahliles. Sleanedyon at the opening ceremony was

(01:56:45):
phenomenal too. We had no Alliles. You had Steph Curry
to talk about. You had the women's soccer team just
front to back. So many good, big, big stories to
come out of this, and I just I've I think
more than anything, the streaming experience has been great with
gold Zone phenomenal. So yeah, just being able to see

(01:57:08):
these all on TV have it all here has been wonderful.

Speaker 7 (01:57:11):
I a a for me bo.

Speaker 3 (01:57:13):
How about you? Are you sad or relieved that the
Olympics are now over?

Speaker 10 (01:57:19):
Those are my two options?

Speaker 1 (01:57:22):
Much Are you sad?

Speaker 3 (01:57:24):
Do you want more? Or are you like, oh, finally
it's over.

Speaker 10 (01:57:26):
I wouldn't say that I'm relieved that it's over, but
that is a very long two weeks.

Speaker 3 (01:57:31):
Of my life.

Speaker 7 (01:57:31):
Two weeks is just about the right amount of time.

Speaker 1 (01:57:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:57:34):
I remember thinking, like as a kid, it felt like
the Olympics were on for an entire month and a half. Yeah,
so it's shocking to me that it's only two weeks.

Speaker 1 (01:57:41):
Agreed.

Speaker 4 (01:57:42):
I actually forgot how long the Olympics lasted for, but yeah,
it's parts of three weeks because they started on that
Friday through the first week and.

Speaker 1 (01:57:50):
It feels it feels like a lot of Olympics. I'm
gonna be honest with you, I will.

Speaker 10 (01:57:54):
Actually I will change my answer to relieved because a
lot of this stuff that has come out of this
Olympics that are not really to the athletics events themselves
have been really draining and exhausting. So I'm glad we
don't have to deal with that anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:58:05):
So relief.

Speaker 10 (01:58:05):
Yeah, there we go.

Speaker 3 (01:58:06):
We're talking about sports.

Speaker 2 (01:58:08):
Here's an interesting note coming up in the twenty twenty
eight Games in Los Angeles, the return of a sport
that hasn't been what we call an official Olympics sport
since nineteen oh eight.

Speaker 3 (01:58:20):
And it's a sport, you know, lacrosse.

Speaker 1 (01:58:25):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:58:28):
Lacrosse was only an official Olympic sport in nineteen oh
four and nineteen o eight.

Speaker 3 (01:58:33):
It was a demonstration event.

Speaker 2 (01:58:35):
You know, people are talking about baseball in the eighty
four Olympics in La but it was a demonstration sport.
There's a difference between a demonstration sport and an actual
Olympic sport. Lacrosse was a demonstration sport in twenty eight,
thirty two, and forty eight. But lacrosse will return as
an official Olympic sport at the twenty twenty eight Olympics.

(01:58:56):
That doesn't seem weird like a sport like, well, isn't
is not an Olympic sport?

Speaker 1 (01:59:02):
Yeah? Yeah, I was gonna say, isn't field hockey a sport?

Speaker 3 (01:59:05):
It is and has been for many what's the difference.

Speaker 4 (01:59:08):
That's my point is like, if field hockey is a
sport in the Olympics, and this isn't to denigrate field hockey,
but lacrosse should be an Olympic sport, that.

Speaker 7 (01:59:17):
Field hockey has a much broader range. We don't really
see it.

Speaker 8 (01:59:20):
It's mostly a women's sport in our country, but like India,
I know, was playing in like men's field hockey, whereas
a lacrosse excuse me, I think it's certain to have
more global appeal, but it's definitely a sport with deep
roots in North America itself, especially just the United States
and Canada.

Speaker 1 (01:59:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:59:38):
Well, another sport that is not an Olympic sport but
has been back in nineteen hundred in Paris.

Speaker 1 (01:59:44):
Cricket.

Speaker 2 (01:59:45):
Oh wow, Yeah, cricket actually was an Olympic sport during
one Olympics.

Speaker 7 (01:59:49):
We want to see Olympic cricket test twenty format.

Speaker 2 (01:59:52):
All right, So what are the sports are we talking about?
Anyone suggestions on the future an Olympic sport.

Speaker 1 (01:59:58):
I think Martin Weiss was all over it today.

Speaker 4 (02:00:00):
I think if if we bring some strong men competitions
to the Olympics, Like can you imagine the Atlas Stone
being one up?

Speaker 3 (02:00:09):
How about that a strongman competition?

Speaker 8 (02:00:12):
Chris, what do you got some mixed martial arts, mixed
martial arts, taekwondo?

Speaker 7 (02:00:16):
I think MMA.

Speaker 8 (02:00:17):
At this point, we've got more than enough global fighters
to have an MMA competition.

Speaker 1 (02:00:21):
I got it.

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