Aaron Torres & Jason Martin's College Football Deep Dive, Caleb Williams' Preseason Fireworks & More!

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jmart I was out last week one. It is great
to be back two, as we do every time. How
did it go with with the stick of Genius last week?

(00:48):
Ernie Spanner?

Speaker 3 (00:49):
Yeah, we went pretty good. You know, on the scale
of one to Arnie, where Arnie is insufferable, sure, we're
probably about a seven. Okay, on that scale, he was
fine for the most part. He was fine. He still
managed to upset the crew out there and disrespect them
numerous times through the course of a three hour broadcast.
But what that is is normal. Yeah, that's just a

(01:10):
standard kind of Arnie span your experience. So I had
a good time with him last week. It was three
hours that flew by pretty fast, so I can't complain.
I was all right. I'm glad to have you back, though.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
Well, I appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:21):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
Yeah, I've been in and out a lot this summer.
One last trip basically here now, you know, you know,
maybe one weekend here or there, but I'm basically here
through the end of football, the end of March madness.
I ain't going anywhere. So whether you love me or
hate me, or are probably indifferent, I will be here
going forward. And I'll tell you what, Jason Man. You know,

(01:42):
I was lucky enough to get away one last Saturday.
I traveled last Saturday, saw a lot of the stuff
that I know you and arready talked about, and then
to be home today. I know it's quote unquote only
the preseason. I know we quote unquote don't don't want
to overreact. It was really good to have football on

(02:02):
all freaking day. Yeah, it was. It was, And you know, listen,
I know it's not We're not yet at that point
where where most of America is on the couch for
twelve hours on a Saturday or a Sunday or both.
But it just felt so good to have football and
by the way gonna start in a weird place. Want
to go ahead and give a quick shout out to
a couple people, specifically Andy Reid, Like, I just love

(02:25):
in this era. You know, it was funny as I
was getting ready to leave to do the show. I'm
here in La. I know Disaga, who will join us
here in a little bit. Was at the Chargers of
Rams game. I just found it funny, you know, like
Sean McVay isn't even coaching. You know, in credit to him,
he's given his young assistants opportunities to call plays and
do whatever and this and that. But Sean McVay, you know,

(02:48):
when I was watching that game, he was barely anywhere
to be found. Whereas, of course Andy Reid has led
his starters play Patrick Mahobe's eight of fourteen passing ninety
three yards, including that behind the back pass. I would
just ask you point blank, you know, listen, you're a
fan of the Tennessee Titan or you're a fan of
Denver Broncos I should say you live in Tennessee, you
cover the Titans for years. Do you have a preference

(03:12):
on how you want your head coach to operate in
the preseason or is it just whatever any guy feels
his best for his individual team. You don't really care.

Speaker 3 (03:22):
More of that. I mean you could easily say, oh gosh,
why would you put Mahomes in the preseason like he
needs it, and da da da da da. But I
remember Mahomes saying, either last year or the year before,
he likes playing some in the preseason, he likes getting
hit a couple of times, or just kind of getting
back out there. And who am I to tell Patrick

(03:43):
Mahomes how he should play quarterback or how he should
be a super athlete. I mean, at this point, I
think he's earned the right to do whatever he wants.
I tend to side on just I mean, be careful,
but you can get bitten no matter what you do,
and you know, you can get hurt in practice, and
you can get hurt in a game. I don't really

(04:05):
I shrugged my shoulders either way. I think that what
Andy Reid does, and it's just what he's done year
after year after years. Fine, and obviously it hasn't hurt
them when it comes to what they're able to do
in the regular season and playoffs in the super Bowl,
And then you look at the rams, and I don't
have a problem with what Sean McVay does either, because
again I think you're right. I just think for me,

(04:26):
it's just subjective. Whatever that guy feels his best, if
you hire him and pay him the money, then I'm
okay with it either way.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
Yeah, I tend to agree. And obviously it goes out saying,
you know, our job is to be critical of decisions
of players and coaches and what happens on the field
and all that, but I think we also acknowledge that,
you know, Sean McVay probably has a better idea of
the day to day of how to run a football
team than you or I do. I guess the only

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place that I find interesting I do think the young
quarterbacks is I do think it is kind of I
think it's kind of important to get the reps, even
if it's just Caleb Williams playing a quarter ja Jayden McDaniels,
not Jayden Jayden daniels, not Jayden McDaniels. Who's Jaden McDaniels
he plays, there's Jada McDaniels that plays in the NBA.

Speaker 3 (05:13):
That's what I thought. He's like Layer and the.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
Fourteenth guy on the on the like Charlotte Hornets or
something Minnesota. Timber, Well, what am I talking about? He
actually plays Jada McDaniel's plays. I don't know why I
was thinking that it was some scrub.

Speaker 3 (05:27):
Yeah, I knew his name. His name popped out to
me immediately when you said it. But yes, I know
what you were saying.

Speaker 2 (05:32):
Yes, that's Jaden. By the way, j A. D e
n not to be confused with Jaden Daniels the quarterback.
He played a little bit. That's really the only place
where I would say is you know, I I do
think it's good for the young guys to get reps.
You know, Michael Pennix has been shut down for the preseason.
I thought that was kind of interesting. But yeah, I
just I find it interesting. I also just I'm happy

(05:55):
that that we do have some old school coaches, just
so it gives us a little something to talk about. Again,
you don't want to overreact to too much from the preseason.
Tua got some snaps today obviously as a first string starter.
Daniel Jones, who we will certainly talk about later in
the show.

Speaker 3 (06:12):
CJ.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
Stroud actually played a little bit in that game as well.
One place I do think there's something.

Speaker 3 (06:17):
Jason.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
I don't know if it's everything, but I do think
it's something. Was a game that just went final a
little bit before you and I went on air, and
that was the Buffalo Bills at the Pittsburgh steel.

Speaker 3 (06:28):
Was scoring fest.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
Yeah, nine to three. It sounded like old school LSU
baba back in the day. And yes, that's what I
was gonna say, is if you just see the final score,
probably you're not sitting there saying that was a game
that I needed to be in front of the TV for,
you know, taking copious notes from my fantasy draft or whatever.
I will tell you this, Jason. Maybe I'm totally overreacting.

(06:52):
I don't know, but but I watched this game, we know,
and it was It's interesting because you and I talked
about this the last time I was on air two
week weeks ago, about this very unique situation in Pittsburgh
with Russell Wilson and justin Fields where listen, I think
we all think expect or at least thought, that Russell
Wilson probably should be the guy to start. But it's

(07:12):
the weird situation where he has no equity with the
fan base, with the team, they don't owe him a
lot of money. And then on the flip side, you
have a young guy in justin Fields that you're trying
to figure out is this guy actually the future of
the organization. Well, I bring it up because the two
of them played today. Russell Wilson on paper eight of
ten forty seven yards. That looks good. Problem was he

(07:33):
got sacked three times, you know, really unfortunately looked a
lot like the guy that again I just mentioned you're
a Broncos fan, the guy that just you know, struggled
late last year or last year with Denver. On the
flip side, justin Fields again, I know, Pittsburgh only put
up three points, but eleven of seventeen passing ninety two yards.
More importantly, forty two yards on the ground. I don't

(07:57):
know that it's everything, Jason. I don't know that it's
nothing either. Justin Fields I thought actually looked reasonably good.
And I think it's going to add some spice to
this conversation coming out of this weekend and week two
of the preseason.

Speaker 3 (08:11):
I mean it might, and it certainly will locally. I mean,
Pittsburgh radio be lit up talking about all of this,
because that's what you do in the preseason. I went
into it. You just laid it out. I mean, I
said before, there's no reason to play Russell Wilson if
you're even close, if they're even close between the two
of them, evaluating them. I don't see any benefit whatsoever
in not giving Justin Fields as much as you can

(08:35):
so that you can get a good evaluation on him.
Because you've got him in house right now and you
have the opportunity to do something with him or make
a decision. Maybe he can be your guy going forward.
It's definitely a position that you don't know what you've
got at this stage. But Russell Wilson's washed. It's that simple.
I mean I watched it in Denver. You may have

(08:56):
even seen it in the tail end of Seattle, but
it was being masked by some other things that were
happening there. They got him for almost nothing. They wanted
to bring him in and see what he could do.
You know, he's a veteran guy that's won a Super Bowl.
He's used to winning a lot of games. Maybe that'd
be good for culture. I don't know, depends on who
you ask in terms of what Russell Wilson is for
your culture. But Fields, Fields is a guy with a

(09:17):
much bigger upside. He's a guy that's a much better
athlete at this stage in his career. Is it's not
remotely close, but it was probably always Fields, and he's
the one that is young, that's still got a lot
of football left in front of him, that whatever you know,
might have whatever his ego or his just confidence level,

(09:38):
whatever shots that they may have taken during a tough
stretch in Chicago, you never know. I mean, he could
be a he could still be a gym. He was
picked early in a draft for a reason. He's a
guy that that somebody believed in and I think a
lot of people believed in him, and you've now got him,
and you've got him on a team that has a
great culture and has a great head coach, and what

(09:59):
they do. I don't think that the preseason itself does
much outside of just creating conversation. But I think in
house they already know that Justin Field is going to
be the guy that they need to be evaluating and
getting on the field as much as possible in a
year where maybe they can't go to the Super Bowl anyway,

(10:20):
But I do think that they can be a tough
out for somebody every single week, and I think Justin
Fields is the guy that creates that electrifying play that
very few guys in the league can and can make
something out of nothing, and at this point, Russell Wilson
cannot do that.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
I mentioned you're from the Tennessee. You live in the
Tennessee area. Obviously, Arthur Smith, the former Tennessee Titans offensive
coordinator before he was the Falcons head coach, who is
now the Pittsburgh offensive coordinator, tell America a little bit
about him. And the only reason why I ask is
because with Justin Fields, Listen, it's never been perfect. It's

(10:54):
never been what CJ. Stroud was last year or whoever
fill in the blank, young Dynas at quarterback. But he
did win five of his last seven starts, you know
what I mean? Listen, there was a time down the
stretch last year where he was playing well enough where
there was a legitimate conversation on these airwaves from all
the great shows that we have of are we sure
you want to give up on Justin Fields to take

(11:18):
to draft to Caleb Williams that we're gonna be talking
Kaleb Williams plenty tonight as well. But where Are you
sure you want to give up on Justin Fields? He
was coming along now obviously the last game of the
season really struggled against Green Bay. Uh, And I don't
think there was ever a moment where they weren't going
to go with Caleb Williams once they you know, once
they solidified that they had the number one pick. But
I just bring it up because you know that that

(11:41):
coach that that I'm not coaching staff, but you know
Arthur Smith. You know what he's capable of, and you
certainly obviously know what Justin Fields is capable of. Do
you think that's a marriage that can work? And do
you think that at the very least, like you said,
the Pittsburgh becomes a tough out, maybe to the point
where Justin Fields has looked at more beyond this season.

Speaker 3 (12:00):
I think that's a really interesting question. I would say
there's one commonality with Arthur Smith working with Justin Fields
that I think if you're a Pittsburgh Steelers fan you
would like, and that's this. He got a guy who
was kind of a secondary rehab project. He got a
guy at quarterback who had not been bad but had

(12:23):
got injured and got pretty much just kicked out of
town and ended up getting traded to Tennessee, and then
that guy went on to be a top ten quarterback
in the league under Arthur Smith, who of course knew
how to utilize Derrick Henry. Pittsburgh still likes to run
the football, and they've got a guy that can do it,
but they have not done a good job. They just
haven't had good scheming. They haven't had a great line.

(12:44):
They've struggled in that way. He's inventive at running the ball,
even though I think he'd made a huge mistake in
underutilizing b John Robinson in Atlanta. But he took Ryan
Tannehill and he turned him into something coming out of
Miami when no one was talking about Ryan Tannehill. You
look at Justin Fields, Well, Justin Fields has a higher
upside than Ryan Tannehill does. Tannehill might be a better

(13:04):
just straight up pocket passer in terms of his accuracy
and things like that. But Arthur Smith is creative. He's
smart in the way that he moves guys around and
he finds ways to get his key guys the football.
But he's he loves to use the tight ends. He
loves to get the ball out quickly. He doesn't necessarily
go deep ball deep ball, but he is a smart,

(13:25):
smart offensive guy who it just it was a bad
scenario for him in Atlanta. They just didn't have what
he needed. But he is a guy that has made
made quarterbacks that are not going to be Hall of
famers look really really good by putting them in situations
to succeed and giving guys targets. So if you like

(13:46):
what he'd like, if you like what Ryan Tannehill's second
act look like, then you know that Arthur Smith is
capable of something with a rehab project.

Speaker 2 (13:55):
Yeah, that's an interesting point. You could see a lot
of parallels between where Ryan Tannehill was at his career
and Arthur Smith got him where Justin Fields is at
his career right now. Again, if you're just looking at
the box score, probably doesn't jump out that this was
a I think sort of meaningful moment for the Pittsburgh Steelers.
And again, I think to the point Jason made earlier,

(14:17):
to the point you made earlier, j Mart, I think
the Steelers they know what the answer is long term,
They're probably looking for reasons to give Justin Fields a
benefit of the doubt because obviously again you want to
see what you have in him. And the other thing too,
really quick we come back and talk some other stuff.
But you know, Mike Tomlin like older dude had Big

(14:38):
Ben forever. I think the other thing is, and I'm
just thinking about this in real time, like does he
really want to restart the clock with another quarterback again?
You know, I mean you just went through the Kenny
Pickett experience that didn't work. Again. I'm not saying Justin
Fields is the guy, but I think you're hoping that
you have enough so you don't have to go into
the twenty twenty five draft and draft another quarterbacks. Start

(15:01):
that process again. Hope it works out, Hope you get
the right guy. So we will see with Justin Fields.
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the tyrack dot Com studios. What I do want to do,
j Martin, is go from Justin Field's current team, the
Pittsburgh Steelers, to Justin Field's former team, Chicago Bears. Caleb

(15:21):
Williams certainly making some headlines and some highlights today and
we will discuss what that means for the Chicago Bears
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Speaker 2 (16:55):
Welcome back everybody, Fox Sports Radio. Here Torris day Smartin
broadcasting live from the Tyraq dot com studios. You just
heard a bear of calls from another preseason game on Saturday,
this one coming from Soldier Field in Chicago. Chicago Bears
beat the Cincinnati Bagels twenty seven to three. Of course,

(17:16):
scores kind of meaningless in the preseason, but I bring
it up because you know what wasn't meaningless some very
intriguing play and plays from Caleb Williams. You heard both
of those plays courtesy of our buddy Iowa Sam. So
thank you Iowa Sam for your help there. The first
a deep pass which set up a field goal for

(17:38):
the Chicago Bears. The second one a Caleb Williams seven
yard touchdown run that was much more than seven yards
on the ground, Jamrt. I'll tell you this a little
bit later in the show. We're gonna talk Deon Sanders.
But the reason I'm asking is because, to quote Coach Prime,

(17:59):
do you believe, J Mart? Do you believe that Caleb
Williams is the guy and is finally going to be
the guy that the Chicago Bears and their fans have
been waiting so long for at the quarterback position.

Speaker 3 (18:14):
Yes, but not because of anything I saw today.

Speaker 7 (18:16):
What a.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
Too amazing plays, Jmart.

Speaker 3 (18:21):
Yes, but I'm not basing anything on what I see
in the presee. I know this is going to sound
like wet blanket material, and I'm good with that. No highs,
no lows for me in the preseason. I'm just I'm
gonna stay very even keeled. If you're a Bears fan then,
and any fan that their guy goes out there and
plays well, feel free to get excited about that, get

(18:43):
hyped because this is a season of hype. But I'm
gonna say something else to you. Hype makes you dumb.
You gotta be real careful with hype. You gotta be
real careful about hyping up that movie and going to
see it and it turns out to be a dud.
You gotta be real careful about hyping up the final
season a Game of Thrones only to discover oops, they
actually didn't have a plan for how they were going

(19:04):
to finish this show. I'm not suggesting anything in terms
of Caleb Williams hype. I'm saying that because he made
a crazy throw, which is very similar to some of
the stuff we saw at Oklahoma, some of the stuff
we saw at US seats. Why is the number one
pick and the run? That's what I expected to see
from Caleb Williams. So it's not a bad thing. It's

(19:26):
just there's nothing that he can do in the preseason
that's gonna move the needle for me either way. CJ Stroud,
who may have had the best rookie season of quarterbacks
ever had in this league fifty five percent completion percentage,
had one touchdown, one interception last preseason in three starts.
So I just can't. I can't get too excited about it.
That's just what that's what I anticipate the number one

(19:46):
pick to do. It's not like the numbers just iepopped.
But you saw, you saw some flashes, you saw some potential,
and you can get excited about that if you're a
Bears fan. I was already on the Caleb Williams hype train.
But nothing to happen in a preseason. I allow myself
to turn into a sucker for.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
It's tough because I sort of agree with you, like
like you know if again, and I think this was
part of the problem even with Caleb last year, was that,
you know, he had great individual highlights, but obviously look
that the games, you know, the results weren't what they
needed to be. And even if you look today, six
of thirteen, passing seventy five yards and five and a

(20:28):
half yards per completion. So I mean, when you factor
in the deep ball to Romadonsa, you know, you start
to realize that there wasn't a lot there otherwise I
am excited. I guess I'm with you.

Speaker 3 (20:40):
I I you know, I know I'm not trying to
ruin your excitement. I'm really not. Like I've been watching
a lot of preseason. I got a preseason on now.
One of the weirdest things that I've experienced in a
while is us coming back from that break and playing
that highlight of Caleb Williams running that ball in at
the same time that highlight was playing in the midst
of this Dallas Raiders game that I have on right
now at the like basically step first step with what

(21:03):
I was listening to on FSR. So that was strange.
Like I've been watching this stuff too. I enjoyed watching it.
I just kind of watch it. I just watched it
like an exhibition. I don't I don't take too much
from it. I just I need to see this happen
in the regular season. The more good stuff I see
from him and from Jaydon Daniels and from bow Knicks
and anybody that's out there. That's gonna get me more

(21:25):
hype for the season, but it's not gonna make me.
It's not gonna affect how I feel like the regular
season is gonna go, if that makes any sense.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
By the way, that's just great producing from Ian and
Iowa samback there.

Speaker 3 (21:36):
He's master so he is.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
No, he's got those Uh, i'd say magic fingertips what
it deals wildly inappropriately.

Speaker 3 (21:43):
I feel like I feel like he has better offense
than Brian Farrens.

Speaker 2 (21:46):
Whoa, what about Brian Dable. We'll talk about it.

Speaker 3 (21:49):
No, it's not hard to do that, right.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
Yeah. No, So what he said I was saying was
that the Caleb Williams highlight that you played of the
of the touchdown run was in lockstep with what was
on his TV at that exact moment. Oh so glorious.

Speaker 3 (22:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
So, I don't want to say that NFL Network is
completely ripping off our show, but I'm not not saying
it's what you got the full Imax experience there, that's right.

Speaker 3 (22:11):
Except I got the ie of what's Sam experience?

Speaker 6 (22:13):
There?

Speaker 2 (22:13):
You go, the Iowa Sam Max experience. I love it
so Kalb. By the way, I was saying, do you
have any hot Kleb Williams takes before I share my own?

Speaker 8 (22:22):
Or I don't really, although I did read and this
is probably about a week old news now that he's
going to be doing the TB twelve diet, which we
discussed on the Doug Gottlieb Show in brief last Wednesday,
and just whether or not we could do the diet.
I couldn't personally, so good for him if he's a
frail little you know, a little stick in about two months,
then you know, at least he feels great, you know,

(22:43):
because you're not eating beans.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
Yeah, I couldn't do the TV twelve diet.

Speaker 8 (22:47):
Have you have you read about what? Really it's what
you can't eat. They should show you what you can
eat if you have a and if you have a
chef that makes a little easier too, but it's a
lot of what you cannot eat, and it's very depressing.
I know that the vodka is in very high up
on the list, and you know, I like a couple
of those, and it's like the number one thing you're
supposed to stand from is like alcohol, and then sugar
and other things.

Speaker 2 (23:06):
So yeah, no, so well that is and I did
not know that. I don't actually know how I feel
about that, but I actually, I hate to say it.
I am with jamrt Is. I'm a Caleb guy. But
it's not because of anything that he did today. I
think it's because we have a basically a two and
a half year sample size in college of him being awesome.
And I still go back to last year. And I

(23:28):
know we've recited this over the last couple of Saturdays.
I obviously wasn't here last Saturday, but you know, last
year and what was deemed to be a down year
for him after winning the Heisman two seasons before, forty
one touchdown forty one touchdowns total, including eleven rushing, sixty
nine percent completion percentage. I just think the narrative on
him got so far out of control, and I'm excited

(23:49):
to see what he can do. The one thing I
will say, and I'm not you know, Jordan Palmer or
some quarterback guru, but I was. I was kind of
reading some people that are today and the Roma Dunze
pass was kind of a probably a reflection of what
he does best, which is kind of keeping plays alive.
With his feet while yeah, while also keeping those eyes downfield.

(24:11):
And so I am excited, I am I scent real quick,
you know, obviously we'll talk JJ McCarthy here in a minute. Obviously,
I think we all expect Minnesota to probably finish in
fourth place in that division. If you don't, by the way,
please tell me, you know if I'm found crazy. But
really quickly, what do you expect given that Detroit is

(24:31):
maybe the most talented roster in the NFC. Obviously Green
Bay is on the rise. What do you expect from
the Chicago Bears in that division?

Speaker 3 (24:38):
I mean, I think they're going to be competitive. I
mean it's going to be a process. They're not just
going to go worse the first They're not just going
to go I don't think they're winning ten games or
anything like that. But do I think that they're going
to be a much better football team. Yes, because they're
gonna have a quarterback that, provided he's able to stay healthy,
is going to kind of start building. They don't necessarily

(25:01):
have all the pieces in place, but they certainly have
better weapons than they've had in the past. They've got
DJ Moore and now of course you've got adn't say
you've got to start. You've got a spark and you've
got I think a leader at quarterback for yourself. It's
a tough division to go into in year one. So
even if you end up right about five hundred, even

(25:23):
if you win, you win eight games, you win nine games,
I think it's doable, and I think that that's a success.
You just want to come out of this year with
everybody healthy and feeling like, oh, we're coming like you
remember the Lions the year before. Of course that's what
you're thinking right now. You're looking at a team where
you're just Okay, this is a football team's going to
be good. This is a team that and you don't

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want it to be like a Jacksonville. Oh they're going
to be good and then they fall off a cliff
the next year. You just want to feel at the
end of that. You just want to kind of have
this feeling that there's a lightning bolt and they're ready
to strike. And I think that that's doable. I think
that that's possible. It's gonna be some highs and lows.
Kayleb Williams is gonna be boom er bust here and
there He's gonna make his mistakes like anybody else is.

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But I do think this is the brightest future Chicago's
had in a very long time.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
Don't disagree with that. Chicago Bears get to win. Caleb
Williams with a touchdown run and a couple of sweet
looking passes, including one deep to rome A Dunza. Fox
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but rare that I can say this. I'm gonna throw
to a man that was literally in a stadium an
hour ago, Robin elbows with Jim Harbaugh.

Speaker 6 (27:43):
What's going on, Steve Disager? Actually the traffic would prove
it was a little longer than that. Sure, I looked
it up. It's twenty miles to get from the football
stadium to our beloved studios hour and ten minutes.

Speaker 3 (27:54):
I will tell you, uh, oh, well, I mean you
had to stay after. I mean Kaepernick's no, but who
knows about the Sager? He was the backup plan.

Speaker 6 (28:06):
I will tell you I could use Kaepernick as a
backup quarterback at this point.

Speaker 3 (28:10):
Yikes.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
Some teams have a backup, some clearly do not.

Speaker 3 (28:15):
Some have a backup, and some have Eastern stick.

Speaker 6 (28:17):
Yeah, and Luis Perez and somebody they drafted they've already cut.

Speaker 3 (28:22):
Yeah, Louis doesn't sound real.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
That's that sounds like made like one of the great
Spring league quarterbacks.

Speaker 6 (28:28):
And I've said.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
Adrian Martinez younger cousin, yeah nine, I know. But what
the Saint Louis BattleHawks, let me tell you he was
really good this year.

Speaker 6 (28:37):
Or Birmingham or whoever it was. But we'll get to
football at a moment. But there is one baseball game
still going and the Braves are killing it in an Anaheim.
It is now nine to two Atlanta over the Angels,
and Chris Sale has ten strikeouts. It is six innings
of work. What a season for him.

Speaker 3 (28:54):
Have been a great year for my Braves, but it's
sure has been in terms of that acquisition.

Speaker 6 (28:58):
But they're a little better than the Mets. Point so
you know, some of us work with a Mets fan
on weeknights. So as long as you can say a
little better than the Mets, your team is fine. The
Atlanta Braves, I'll just put it in the wing column
for tonight, and that will put them at sixty five
and fifty eight as we head toured the September Pennant Race.

(29:18):
But Marcellos sooner, my goodness, three for three three RBIs tonight.
That included the three run homer in the first inning.
Osuna has thirty six homers and ninety three RBIs everything
else final. It was on Fox TV tonight from Saint Louis.
The Cardinals beat the Dodgers five two. Meanwhile, the Padres
won again eight three at Colorado, and in that one

(29:41):
Manny Machado had four hits. Among the many other games
in baseball, Brewers over Cleveland two to one. Houston beat
the White Sox six to one. The Chicago White Sox
have a record of thirty and ninety four at this point.
Twins won at Texas five to two. Orioles lost at
home again Boston five over Baltimore, but the Yankees. The

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Yankees got shut out at Detroit four nothing Tigers the final,
and among the other games, the Rays beat the Diamondbacks
six to one. There is one NFL exhibition still going
nearing halftime in Las Vegas. It's Dallas leading the Raiders
ten to six, Trey Lance with a one yard touchdown pass,
Brandon Aubrey of Dallas with a fifty four yard field goal.

Speaker 3 (30:22):
Early in the game.

Speaker 6 (30:24):
Gardner Minshew had a forty eight yard pass completion ninety
five yards total through the air in this first for
a while. That was the bulk of the Raiders offense.
Final seconds before halftime it is ten to six, Dallas
in the lead. The Rams did beat the Chargers in
LA thirteen to nine, and get used to these types
of preseason scores. It was the Bills winning nine to

(30:45):
three at Pittsburgh. Jets won fifteen to twelve at the Panthers. No,
Aaron Rodgers did not play again, and they would not
say afterwards if he'll play in the finale next week. Mercifully,
there are only three preseason games these days in the NFL.
Phil other scores Bears twenty seven to three over the
Bengals and the Ravens beat the Falcons thirteen to twelve.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
Back to you, thank you very much, Steve Sager, Fox
Sports Radio, Fox Sports Saturday Er Tours. Jason Martin broadcasting
live from the Tyreck dot Com Studios. Real quick, jmart
we were just talking NFC North Chicago Bears Caleb Williams
a couple of nice plays today. We're a couple of
days late on this, so we don't have to spend
a ton of time on it. But JJJ McCarthy news

(31:28):
obviously a bummer out for the year, Torn meniscus. Any
quick thoughts on the JJ McCarthy news. Also what it
means for the Minnesota Vikings with Sam Darnold now the starting.

Speaker 3 (31:38):
I'm in this thanks for him. I based on everything
that we had seen, didn't look like he was going
to be playing this year all that much. Maybe that
was going to change, but so maybe it doesn't set
him back that much. He's at least gonna be able
to He's going to be around the team, he's gonna
be able to watch and all this kind of stuff.
And you know, that has worked out for guys in
the past, worked out for Jordan Love, It's worked out

(32:00):
for some people. The problem for Minnesota is you just
paid your all world wide receiver who deserved every bit
of that money, but you don't have a quarterback to
get him the football consistently. And maybe that change. I mean,
Donald's not terrible, but I think at this point he
is what he is, and what he is is not great.
He's not a guy that in that division is going
to keep you competitive. He's just not. But and I've

(32:22):
heard some other guys on our network say this over
the past couple of weeks just about the Vikings in general.
I mean, you know, they won games with Josh Dobbs
last year. Like Minnesota does have some talent, and they've
got a head coach and knows what he's doing, so
it's not like they're going to go out there and
be terrible. But if you're going out there with Sam
Donald as QB one, you know your expectations have to

(32:45):
be measured. I just hate the set back for McArthur.
You don't ever want to start your career with something
like that happening. But if he was not going to
be the guy this year, and if he's going to
be holding a clipboard anyway, then maybe get it out
of the way now and then knock on woods, you
don't have that problem going forward.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
Weird angle we could be quick on this. Is it
a weird blessing in disguise? I mean, one JJ McCarthy
isn't forced into action, whether he would have been or
not gets a year with the clipboard, a year to
kind of watch everything from a distance, and then to
the vikings obviously. I mean the counter to that is that,
you know, listen to it's professional sports. You're playing to
win every game, but maybe in better position. You know,

(33:23):
they don't have a ton of needs. They obviously have
their quarterback of the future, a lot of young talent
and other spots. But you know, it could be a
situation where they get to draft high next year where
they probably will end up with the last play schedule.
I could see it all kind of working out for
the best. Again, it's it's a season ending injury. You
don't want that ever for any individual player. But I
do wonder if there's maybe some kind of silver linings

(33:45):
down the road.

Speaker 3 (33:46):
I mean, I think you're right. I mean, you would
never want it to happen this way, but that's a
good optimistic way to look at it. It does put
you in position in the future, and now you don't
have to concern yourself with when do you throw JJ
McCarthy into action. You know, win is too much and
win is too early and all this. You don't have
to worry about it. You know that it's going to

(34:07):
be next year and he's going to be around the team,
he's gonna get to know them. He's certainly going to
have a chance with a clipboard to get better. One
would think a lot of times that has worked in
the past, and you're right. If they come back and
they have a last play schedule next year, then you're
in a nice situation there. So I think those are
all They're all positives that you could take away from

(34:30):
a situation that you would never wish on anybody.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
JJ McCarthy out for the year. Minnesota Vikings will obviously
turn their attention to Sam Darnold. And again, we know
that news is a day or two old, but we
were talking to NFC North anyway with Caleb Williams, so
it felt like a nice little button on the conversation.
Fox Sports Radio Inner Tours Jason Martin broadcasting live from
the Tyreck dot Com studios from the NFC North to
the NFC East. One young quarterback looked really good today,

(34:58):
another not so much. We'll discuss the both next. Fox
Sports Radio.

Speaker 1 (35:03):

Speaker 2 (35:06):
Welcome back, everybody. Fox Sports Radio er Torris Jason Martin
broadcasting live from the TIREC dot Com Studios. One NFC
East team is actually in action as we speak, the
Dallas Cowboys leading the Las Vegas Raiders at halftime in
Vegas thirteen to six. Unfortunately, for some reason, that game
is blacked out in La, so we are not watching

(35:26):
it in the TIREC dot Com Studios. Want to ask
you about two other teams in the division, though, Jason
the first one. I think I know where you're gonna
go with this. But on a positive note, Jadon Daniels
continues to look good starting quarterback number two overall pick
Washington Commanders ten of twelve seventy eight yards another thirteen

(35:47):
yards rushing. Based on your Caleb Williams reaction, I have
a feeling it's going to be the same. I mean,
is that how you feel about Jaydon Daniels. It's cool.
I'm happy for him, but I need to see it
week one, week two, week three, week four and beyond
before I get too excited.

Speaker 3 (36:04):
Well, I mean, I want to see it in the
regular season, right. I mean, nothing they can't do more
than what they're being asked to do in the preseason,
so I don't want to act like they shouldn't be
commended with what they're doing. It's just it's not going
to affect how I view them going forward, because, especially
in the case of the two guys we've spoken of,

(36:24):
we already liked them both, and the fact that they
come out and done some nice work shouldn't be a surprise.
It should more or less be the expectation in the
preseason that even if there's going to be ups and downs,
that there's definitely gonna be flashes of special stuff. Here.
Problem more for Washington, and it's sort of true. I'm
not sure about iber Flut's long time, long term for them.

(36:46):
I'm just not a big Dan Quinn as your head
coach fan, and that's Washington's. That's still my concern for
them is I don't know about that staff. I don't
know how I feel about them on the sidelines. But
Daniels is electrifying and there's a reason he won the
Heisman with a lot of great quarterback play last year
in college football, and he's a guy that I anticipate
doing some scintillating stuff. He's a special football player, and

(37:11):
I do want all these guys to come out of
the preseason feeling confident. I'm just again, I'm not gonna
look at the stats or look at this player or
that play and try to do it. I mean, I remember,
I mean, what's the difference in a lot of ways
that everybody who has played in the NFL has had
some kind of a highlight reel play at some point
in their career. I just again, you can't ask him

(37:32):
to do more than what he is doing and what
he has done. Same thing with Caleb, same thing with
all these guys. Like look, I'm a Denver fan. Bo
Nicks looked really good in the first preseason game. Really
excited about it. Love everything that I'm hearing about it.
Same time, measured we'll get to the regular season, will happen.
I mean, he's gonna play again tomorrow. Maybe he's gonna
look good again if they go, If Denver has a

(37:53):
great preseason, he ends up with twenty touchdowns or something
like that. Am I going to be a little bit
more hype going into the season, Yeah, but I'm still
going to be measured on it because I understand the
difference between preseason football and what you see in preseason
football compared to the regular season.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
Let me ask you this, what if you see a
debacle from a guy who has been a starter previously,
like we kind of saw from Daniel Jones today. Obviously, look,
you know, in Daniel Jones defense, he's recovering from ACL surgery.
Actually did not play in the first preseason game, so
this was the first time that we've seen him on
the field since November eleven of eighteen. Sounds good on paper. Unfortunately,

(38:31):
two interceptions, including a pick six. Brian Dable after the
game saying, quote, actually, Iowa sim has this sound go ahead?

Speaker 3 (38:40):
I was sim we had to play action pass call
a little bit of time, you move to the left,
made a poor decision, backed up. What should he have
done there? Is that get the rid of the ball?
Quicker to go back and I'll go back and look
at it. We'll evaluate this what these games are for.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
Okay, Jason, I have an important question for you. Pick
the thing that you hate in the world the most,
and then do you hate that more than Brian Dabele
hates Daniel Jones. I just think Brian, Brian Dabele, I'm
trying to give you know, Daniel Jones the better for
the doubt. I think it's pretty clear where Brian Dabele

(39:18):
stands on Daniel Jones. Is that fair to say?

Speaker 3 (39:20):
Uh? Yeah, I mean he's not. Let's just say he
would he would not consider himself enamored with the guy
that he is coaching at quarterback. Unbelievable. What do you think?

Speaker 2 (39:30):
What do you make of the performance that you know
you heard the coach?

Speaker 3 (39:34):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (39:34):
You know, I think the coach is kind of in
job preservation mode. I think he's just trying to do
anything to get to next year and the opportunity to
coach another quarterback. But I mean, is it anything other
than you know, you didn't expet necessarily two picks, but
anything other than what you kind of expected from Daniel Jones.

Speaker 3 (39:49):
Daniel Jones is mid. He just is. He's a mediocre player.
And so that's actually worse.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
I was gonna say, yeah, that's a compliment to mid,
but continue.

Speaker 3 (39:59):
He's just a He's a mediocre player. That's just what
he is. And they were well above what they should
have been a couple of years ago, and then they
paid him, which I thought was a mistake. He's like,
he is a bargain basement Derek Carr. He's that kind
of player. He's a guy that will be a journeyman
that we'll go somewhere else and win eight games. He's

(40:21):
just he's not great. He does some good things, but
he's not great. I mean, Dable's voice tells you all
you need to know. He's just not very good. He
is not very good.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
The New York Football Giants fall to the Houston Texans.
Kind of worth noting in that game. By the way,
C J. Stroud did play momentarily. Fox Sports Radio ertors
Jason Martin, we are switching gears from the NFL to college.
That's next. Fox Sports Radio.

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and the AFC North. Today we will look at the
AFC West and AFC South. With that said, Jay mart
I do want to go ahead and switch gears to
college football, because, thank the Lord, we are now seven

(41:52):
days away from college football. The season opens week zero
next week. A little bit of a quieter thank you,
I Iowa Sam.

Speaker 3 (42:00):
What's up that's especially on this show in this timeslot.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
Yes, and by the way, for people who are new,
J mart and I are basically the official college football
postgame show. We're obviously gonna talk a ton of NFL
preview the Sunday games, but we come on at eleven
right after that big uh seven thirty eight o'clock kickoff.
We're on through are we calling it Big ten after Dark?

Speaker 1 (42:21):
Now?

Speaker 2 (42:22):
I don't know if we're calling it Big ten after
dark or Big twelve after dark or whatever, but obviously
there's gonna be plenty of West Coast games going on,
so make sure that you are tuned in. We'll be
on again every week at eleven pm Eastern time, and
it starts next week with Florida State, Georgia Tech. The
Highlight or the marquee game of week zero Alost couple
are intriguing ones, including SMU, which some people believe is

(42:44):
a kind of a dark horse, interesting team as they
are now in the ACC. They're playing at Nevada. That'll
be on during our time slot. J Mart Soabby Blunt.
You know, obviously, you know, I think most people probably
have an understanding of this, but you and I, obviously
along with producer Ian trade notes throughout the day and
throughout the week on things that we want to talk about.

(43:07):
You told me that you have five college football hot
takes that you want to get into or things that
you want to discuss. We could save some of them
for hour three. Why don't you go ahead? What is
the first college football thing that is on your mind?

Speaker 3 (43:22):
All right? I've got my index card here where I
wrote things down. I literally just went through the top
twenty five the AP and just things that made me
kind of do a little bit more research or just
kind of stop me. So here's the first thing that
I wrote down, still the winner on October the twelfth,

(43:45):
when Ohio State travels to Eugene and plays against Oregon.
The winner of that game is going to win the
Big Ten, and I have them doing some really special
stuff when we get into the twelve team playoff. I
think both those teams will get into the twelve team playoffs.
But you want to talk about a game with a
whole lot going on that one now being in conference

(44:07):
and going to Eugene for Ryan Day and Ohio State
don't play conservative against Dan Lanning or you're gonna get
beat player.

Speaker 2 (44:15):
Well, especially that game is again in Eugene, and I
think you know what's interesting is, first of all, I listen,
you know, I wish we could have made the Pac
twelve work. It didn't happen. It's over. You know, we
don't need to, you know, mourn any longer because it
is what it is at this point. But you look
at Ohio State their schedule. Now, first of all, I
will mention and I'm not saying this just because Iowa

(44:37):
Sam's on the board, but they host Iowa the week
before Iowa was a Top twenty five matchup. That's one
of those classic college football look ahead games. Listen. I know,
you know, we all have jokes about Iowa's offense, including
j Martin just probably fifteen or twenty minutes ago, but look,
the defense was elite is elite. Obviously, Ohio State's breaking
in a new quarterback. What I'll say is, you know,

(45:00):
I think a couple things stand out. One, I don't
know if it's if it's gonna be the the winner
is gonna be the Big Ten champion, because I think
there's a reasonably good chance that they could meet in
the Big Ten championship game, uh later on in the season.

Speaker 3 (45:15):
But I'm with you.

Speaker 2 (45:16):
I think they're the two best teams in that league,
and I do think it's kind of a statement game
for Ryan Day. You know, four of the first five
are at home. That'll be week six for them. Five
of the first six are at home. You have to
go to Michigan State, which is not projected to be
very good this year, obviously with the new first year
head coach. I mentioned Iowa is in town the week before,

(45:38):
but you know that's one where you know you lose
that game, listen. I mean that's isn't that the Ryan
Day narrative? J Mart, Like, we've seen we've seen you
beat Rutgers, and we've seen you beat Indiana, and we've
seen you beat Northwestern. You gotta win some of these
big games, in these big moments when the other team
has as much talent as you. And I would also

(45:59):
say this too from the Oregon perspective. I think it's
kind of interesting because you know, Dan Lanning, like, I
really like him. I think you probably really like him.
I think he is a rising star in the coaching business.
But I don't know that he does yet have that
signature win, you know, zero to three against Kaylen to

(46:19):
Boor when Kaylen de Boor was at Washington. Yeah, and
I mean, you know, and it's easy to forget now
they went into that Pac twelve championship game last year
even after losing to Washington as a double digit favorite
and ended up losing to Washington. Now that's a credit
to Kaylen to Borer. That's a credit to to to
the former Washington head coach. But you look at Dan Lanning,
it's kind of another one where he's got a lot
of very very good wins. I don't know that he

(46:42):
has any great ones yet. So that is a very
intriguing game. And I'm with you. I think those are
the two best teams in the Big Ten game up.

Speaker 3 (46:50):
Yeah, so that's the first thing I wrote down. I
just it's gonna be so much fun to watch these
two conferences with these new additions. And you know, I
think that there are two guys in the Big Ten,
two coaches that the seat is warm. There's a whole
lot of pressure on those guys. One of them is
Ryan Day, who if you've watched it, listen to this

(47:10):
show for any length of time, you know we have
been on Ryan Day now for a couple of years.
And the other one is James Franklin. And I think
James Franklin this will be his last year at Penn State.
Oh that's not one of the things I wrote down,
by the way, but just throw that one out there
for a bonus. I think this will be the year
they move on because I don't think they make the playoff.

(47:31):
And if you don't make the team as a twelve
team playoff, there's gonna be a problem there.

Speaker 2 (47:35):
Well, it's it is interesting because that is something that
is a narrative that I pushed back a little bit
on and I do understand because I've heard a lot
of the well, you know, I mean, no one benefits
more from a twelve team playoff than Penn State because
you know, in whatever, it's something like seven of the

(47:55):
last twelve years they've finished in the top twelve and
would have made a t twelve team playoff. Like there
is no team I think. I think the number is like,
there's no team that never made the college football playoff
in the four team era that would have made it
more if it was twelve teams in Penn State. But
the counter to that is the league is now a
lot tougher. And again, you know, for people who are

(48:17):
not new to this show, you've heard j Martin I
talk about this. But for people that are new to
the show, you know, James Franklin, it's not the issue
against Northwestern.

Speaker 3 (48:28):
No, Yeah, it's it's never beat anybody good, never beats
anything good.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
And I'll tell you I've been thinking about this as
I've kind of started to prep again. You know, I
go back to last year. Last year was the year
and I remember saying it at the time, I remember
discussing it at the time. Your two biggest games were
against Ohio State, which I believe was as unstable at
the quarterback position as it will ever be under Ryan Day,

(48:53):
and then Michigan. It's easy to forget this. That was
the game where Michigan flew to pay in State and
was not sure if Jim Harbaugh was going to be
allowed to be the coach. Yeah, they land, and then
an hour before not an hour, but probably two hours
before kickoff, they find out. You know, there was the
talk of are they going to try to get an
injunction from a court, And I'm not a legal expert,

(49:15):
I don't know how that would have worked. But you know,
Michigan lands in Happy Valley, they're told their head coach
can't coach in that game, and so I just bring
it up because just let's just talk that out Penn
State last year. Ohio State's never gonna have a worst
quarterback situation. Michigan literally did not know who their coach

(49:36):
was two hours before kickoff, and Penn State still lost
both those games. So I'm out on them. And then
the other thing I would add to Jason, I go
back to what I just said a minute ago. You
can say that you know, no one would have benefited
more from a twelve team. Okay, but it's a different
league now. And listen, I know everybody makes fun of
Lincoln Riley and USC, but Penn State has to go
to USC. You know, that's a game where listen, Lincoln

(50:00):
Riley's team's gonna put up thirty five points. Now, maybe
because Penn State's defense is so good, that's twenty seven
instead of thirty five, but that still means you gotta
score twenty eight to beat him. And you know, I
think Wisconsin's gonna be improved in year two under Luke Fickle.
You still have Ohio State. So and by the way,
at West Virginia first big new kickoff game of the season,
I don't think is a gimme. So I'm totally on

(50:24):
board with you, with James Franklin and Penstack, I agree,
by the.

Speaker 3 (50:28):
Way, on your take about the twelve team playoff, I
think you're right about that. I don't necessarily think about
I don't look at it from the terms of all
they would have benefited or this or that. It's just
it's gonna be easier to move on from a coach
who's not able to get into that field. Yep. Than before.
And the thing that still hasn't changed for Penn State.

(50:48):
They can't seem to find a quarterback. But past that,
right now, who's catching the ball for them? Like, go
look at their wide receiver talent that ain't gonna match
up well in a Big ten, like they're not. I
don't think they're gonna be this team. It's gonna go
win ten or eleven and get shut out like they're
like shut out of a playoff spot. I don't think
they're gonna be worthy of one. I don't think anybody's
gonna be talking about them by the end of the year.

(51:09):
And that's when the bloom is finally off that rose.
Because here's the thing at Penn State. There's a lot
of dudes you can hire that can get you close
with the advantages that they have. You bring in a
James Franklin to take you to the next level, and
I don't know if he's the next level coach. I
think he's kind of about what he is right now,
and that is good, real good at Vanderbilt, but at

(51:31):
Penn State. Eventually you kind of see through sort of
the smoke screen and the politician of it all, and
he can't win big games against anybody, and you can
get a lot of guys that you can overpay that
can come in and not win big games against anybody.

Speaker 2 (51:44):
By the way. And it's so funny because I think
these are all just questions that we all have about
this twelve team play. We don't have answers to how
is the selection conny going to view certain things? But
I think one thing that you just mentioned, you know,
ten and two has kind of been weirdly like the
ceiling and the.

Speaker 3 (52:02):
Floor for that team every year.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
And and what I am curious about is it's easy
to sit there and say, well, I mean, ten and two,
you'll probably be the third best team in the Big Ten.
Well that gets you in the playoff. And it's like, well,
if you're ten and two and you don't have any
good wins, you know, like like, does that nine and
three SEC team the heck does a nine and three
Big ten team? I mean, if you know, let's just

(52:25):
let's just and I know this is probably not the
best example because it's probably not gonna happen, but let's
just say USC is nine and three challenge themselves in
the out of conference they lose to LSU, lose whatever
at at Michigan beat Penn State. So let's say they
have the head to head win over Penn State, a
little bit worse of you know, of a win loss record,

(52:46):
but they challenge themselves out of conference and they have
a couple nice wins to show for it, and so
this is all just hypothetical. But again, if you're Penn
State and you're ten and two, but say you lost
to sc and you lost to Ohio State and I'm
just looking at their schedule right now, that's a lot
of wins against Illinois and Indiana and Wisconsin that might
not mean very much. So these are all fascinating conversations

(53:08):
about where we are college. But well, let me say this, Jason.
I know we're going to save a couple of these
for hour three, but why don't you go ahead and
give me the third one? Because now I'm just fired up,
we got the music playing, I'm ready to talk to
college football. What's number three on your list?

Speaker 3 (53:21):
What is Notre Dame going to be this year? So
you had Sam Hartman from Wake Forest last year. Now
you're going to stay in the state of North Carolina
at another really good academic institution and bring in Riley
Leonard at quarterback this year. I still really like Marcus
Freeman and I think a lot of us do. But
as usual, it seems like the expectations are huge for

(53:41):
Notre Dame, and the question is are they going to
be able to live up to it?

Speaker 2 (53:45):
So I find them to be very interesting. And it's
funny this kind of came up this week because there's always, historically,
you know, a couple teams that start ranked high, you know,
and I think the stat is like one team that's
in the preseason top ten always finishes unranked in like,
you know, twelve the last thirteen years or whatever. And
I'm not saying it's going to be Notre Dame, but

(54:07):
I think Notre Dame, first of all, first year starting quarterback,
this is the first time in a long time they
really actually lose a ton off that offensive line, which
has kind of been their bread and butter. Obviously, Joe
All going into the Los Angeles Chargers in the top ten.
And what I find interesting about Notre Dame is a
lot of the argument for Notre Dame isn't like, oh

(54:29):
I love their talent, I love their personnel, you know.
It's like, you know, even like Penn State. We can
make fun of Penn State. Their defense is awesome, like
nobody questions that, right, But with Notre Dame it's kind
of like, well, you look at the schedule and it's like,
where are the losses? You know, they open at A
and M. A and m's kind of new head coach whatever.
That could be a tough game they play. It's interually.

(54:50):
They open against A and M, they close against USC,
both on the road, and then the only other ranked
team they play is Florida State, but that game's at home,
and so I just bring it up because with them,
I feel like a lot of the hype with Notre
Dame is well, it's just hard to find the losses
on the schedule, and it's like, well, if your quarterback's
coming off of major injury, the O line isn't quite

(55:12):
as good as it's been. I'm not smart enough to
figure out who could trip them up. But I'm with you,
is like this idea that again another team, it's a
twelve team pa. I mean, there's just no way they're
going worse than ten and two with that schedule. It's like, well,
sometimes it works out that way, but a lot of
times j Mart as we've seen when again a lot
of the a lot of the you know, a lot

(55:34):
of the hype is based on a week schedule. You
tend to find losses if you have a lot of questions, you.

Speaker 3 (55:39):
Know, Yeah, and it just I mean, you're bouncing quarterbacks
m and that always concerns me. It's like they kind
of remind me of a team that plays in the
NFL that's relatively close to them. They kind of remind
me of the Colts, sure, because the Colts have been
trying to find a quarterback. But they'll bring in somebody
for a year to be like a mercenary. And so
they brought in Hartman last year. That started out k

(56:00):
and it just didn't work out as well as you
would have hoped. And now that you're doing the same
thing with Riley Leonard, but you don't have like this,
there's there's a lack of cohesion. Now some of that,
you know, you lose Brian Kelly, you bring in Freeman,
so things change a little bit. Even though Freedman was
on that staff, but eventually you have to find a
guy that's going to be there for a while. So
that always makes me question too because you're having to

(56:21):
change a lot if you're changing quarterback, because so much
shifts based on the way that that guy plays and
the way that that guy processes information.

Speaker 2 (56:30):
I think there's no doubt, and I think that there's
something to that is, you know, and then the other
the other counter to that is if you have to
keep going to the portal to get a quarterback, then
you know, are you evaluating and getting the right guys
out of high school? And so it's an interesting conversation,
and I think it's an interesting point is that this
is now whatever year two or year three, where they've
done the same thing, and we'll see if they get

(56:52):
different results. Tell you what, Jason, I do want to
come back later in the show. We'll continue the college
football conversation about an hour from now. But as I said,
we have done quite a bit on the NFL to
lead the show, and we've also started our over Underwin
Total series. So two weeks ago we did the AFC
East and the AFC North. Now we're gonna look at

(57:12):
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last couple of weeks, we are looking at over underwin

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totals for all of the divisions in all of the
National Football League. Sam, give us a little music producer, Ian,
I want to start with the AFC West today. The
floor is yours.

Speaker 7 (58:51):
My friend can do all right, So AFC West, we
will begin with the Kansas City Chiefs. Who's over under
a set at eleven and a half wins? Aaron will
start with you. You got over or under? J Mart,
I'm actually this was actually weirdly hard for me.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
Okay, So I'm gonna go over and let me explain
why is because we remember that debacle from a year ago. Oh,
the Kansas City Chiefs. They're totally falling apart. Went four
and four in their last eight regular season games, and
you know what they did, they went eleven and six,

(59:31):
and I just look at it. I don't think it's
going to be worse. You know, they've kind of figured out.
First of all, they're obviously coming off a Super Bowl.
They've kind of figured out who they are. Mahomes is
still very much just now entering his prime. The wide
receiver position, which was obviously a weakness, has now been
figured out to a degree. He zave you're worthy. Every
time I turn on social media, he's making another highlight.

(59:52):
So you know, I don't think this is like fifteen
and two historic stuff type season. But if you're telling
me that last year was a disaster at eleven and six,
is it gonna be better? I think it's gonna be.
So I'm going twelve and five and I'm taking the
over here.

Speaker 3 (01:00:09):
Man, That's exactly what I had. I literally had twelve
and five when I was eyeballing the schedule. I think
you could start zho and two because you're playing against
Baltimore and Cincinnati, And I factored that in and said,
all right, let's start oh in two. I think you
beat the Falcons. I think you beat the Chargers. I
think you beat the Saints. Forty nine Ers is a
tough game. So let's say you're three and three right there.

(01:00:30):
Then you get Raiders, Bucks Broncos. I think you can
win all three of those games. You go to Buffalo,
that's tough, but I like your chances quite frankly. Then
you play Carolina and the Raiders again, I think, like
I literally came up with twelve and five. That's exactly
the way I see it. They could win more than twelve.
I don't see them winning less than twelve.

Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
All Right, we both have Kansas Chiefs going over eleven
and a half wins. We are in agreement there, all right.

Speaker 7 (01:00:58):
Well, the Los Angeles Chargers in their first season under
Jim Harbaugh, they're over under a set at eight and
a half wins. Aaron, what do you think, I mean,
I gotta go over. I think part of it is
the Herball effect, Listen.

Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
I mean year one, like That's the thing with Horrball
is everywhere he goes, they're awesome year one, like that's
you know, went thirteen and three. It is first year
at San Francisco. Obviously, you know we'd love to see
a healthy Justin Herbert. We talked two weeks ago about
how that can be a lingering thing PLANTI fasciitis. But
at the same time you have that with a schedule

(01:01:35):
that listen, you know, you start pretty manageable raiders at
home at Carolina, at Pittsburgh who we talked about in
hour one, and then you know, throughout the rest of
the schedule. It's pretty manageable as well. So I'm gonna
go over eight and a half. The Harball effect is
real and it's spectacular.

Speaker 3 (01:01:51):
I think the win eight games. Oh so I'll go
under just barely. I just I think it's gonna take
some time, and I don't think it's really because Ball
is going to struggle. I just I'm a little bit
worried about Herbert being durable this year, and I still
think there's some holes that they need to fill. If
things go right, they can win ten eleven games. I mean,

(01:02:12):
they're certainly capable of it. But you're also taking Keenan
Allen out of that equation. Just some things have changed
and that defense to me, has not gotten better. You
still have some aging players there. Maybe there's gonna be
some inspired to get another payday. But I'm just I'm
not buying into the Chargers this year. I'm a little
down on what I think they'll be in year one

(01:02:33):
with Harble. I think going forward they're going to be
pretty good, but I think it's gonna be I think
it's gonna be a down year. So I'll go under
by half a.

Speaker 7 (01:02:41):
Game, all right, Well, the Las Vegas Raiders. They're over
under is set at six and a half wins under
Antonio Pierce's first year.

Speaker 3 (01:02:50):
So, Aaron, what do you think?

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
Yeah, yeah, it's wild. They won five games with Antonio Pierce.
I'm a big Antonio Pierce guy, you know, living in
La Heatlessen. Even as a high school coach, people loved
him and said, like this dude gets it. He's all
about about all the right things. Da da dah, this
and that. And I know, but but I know this
is cliche, but I just I don't understand this win

(01:03:12):
total at all. You know, you're talking about a situation
where I don't care how hard they they. You know
that the team plays for him. They don't have a quarterback.

Speaker 3 (01:03:22):
We know that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
And oh, by the way, the schedule is not easy.
First two at Chargers at Ravens.

Speaker 6 (01:03:29):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
You know, the back half of the schedule, you gotta
play at KC at Tampa, which is obviously coming off
a division title.

Speaker 3 (01:03:35):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:03:35):
Even like you got to travel to New Orleans late
in the year. That's kind of weird. Uh, you know,
at Miami at Cincinnati. I just think it's a lot
of travel. I just I can't find the seven wins
on this schedule.

Speaker 3 (01:03:49):
I don't think you win seven either. I I don't
know if you win four. But and again, and I
agree with you. I don't think it has anything to
do with Pierce. But I mean you're rolling out there
probably with Gardner Minshew and the Colts. You know, he's
he's done well and he'll be okay. You could do worse.

(01:04:09):
But that's not the kind of thing that you want
to say about a team you're expecting to do really
good things. I do think they'll play well, and they'll
have good chemistry and all of those kinds of things.
Or they'll play hard, I should say, But just because
you play hard and you like the guy doesn't mean
that you have the talent to compete. And I'm not
sure they have the talent to come.

Speaker 2 (01:04:25):
By the way, do they want to win? They're one
of the few teams that needs a quarterback. I know
it's not a great quarterback draft next year, but it's like,
do they want to win? Is another conversation as well well.

Speaker 3 (01:04:35):
I mean, I mean, are they waiting to try and
pay Dak Prescott next year? Are they waiting to try
and pay somebody else next year? I mean, I had
heard I've heard that rumor out there that they'll just
open up the checkbook and pay whatever Dak Prescott wants
to come be their guy, and maybe that is what
they're gonna do. They certainly don't seem to be going
into this season with any kind of long term plan.

(01:04:56):
Very good with well meaning with who they have on
the roster.

Speaker 7 (01:05:00):
Go ahead, all right, Year two under Sean Payton for
the Broncos. Their win total is set at five and
a half wins.

Speaker 3 (01:05:07):
Aaron, what do you think?

Speaker 2 (01:05:09):
Yeah, filled in a few weeks ago with Steve Hartman,
we talked about this one. I've heard Kyle her talk
about this a lot. It's another one. It feels really
low to me, and I'm gonna go over and bottom line,
you know, bo Nicks is as he's not perfect, but
he's as experienced of a quarterback as you're going to
get as a as a rookie in this league. Schedule

(01:05:30):
is manageable. I mean, listen, you look at the schedule.
I mean they could legitimately start five and oh at Seattle, Pittsburgh,
at home, at Tampa, at Jets Raiders. None of those
teams blow your socks off. Maybe the Jets to a
smaller degree manageable schedule. I don't even think this is
a debate. And oh, by the way, last year in
a season where everything went wrong, kind of the same
way we talked about the Kansas City Chiefs. Last year,

(01:05:52):
they went eight and nine, So they're gonna be four
games worse than that, three games worse than that. I
just don't see it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:58):
I don't either. I mean I had when I was
just going through it. I mean, this is my team.
But even so I had them winning eight games. When
I looked through it, I could see him winning nine.
It'll be like last year was. But I do think
that there's gonna be a lot of promise because I'm
very I'm excited potentially if what Bonicks could do with
Sean Payton, because that's his kind of quarterback. If that
thing clicks fast, this could be a surprise team. But

(01:06:21):
I definitely think like five and a half to me
is stealing money. Like I think you go over by
two or three games at least.

Speaker 2 (01:06:28):
Yeah, I think to me, that is the most obvious one.
All Right, I'll tell you what, Jason, we'll come back.
We will talk about the AFC South next to a division,
you know, well, for de let's toss over the news
desk to Sega. What is trending.

Speaker 6 (01:06:39):
Well, we're talking about coach Santonio Pierce of the Raiders.
By the way, let's not forget he was the coach
when last December in Vegas, they were actually in a
zero zero NFL game in the fourth quarter against Minnesota
with Aid and O'Connell at quarterback, which brings us to tonight.
Aiden O'Connell has thrown a pick six and the Dallas
lead is now twenty to twelve at Vegas. Now, O'Connell

(01:07:00):
had thrown a short touchdown pass in the third quarter
to get him close, but the two point pass was missed,
so the Dallas lead was thirteen to twelve. Now after
the pick six sixty nine yards the other way, it's
Dallas twenty to twelve, and for the fourth quarter, O'Connell
is sitting one touchdown, one interception for him Gardner Minshew
before that ninety five yards passing ten of twenty one

(01:07:22):
through the air. The story for Dallas Brandon Aubrey an
early fifty four yard field goal and then at the
end of the first half a sixty six yard field
goal that he made and by the way, he shouldn't
have even had the chance at the attempt. But the
Raiders in the final minute through three straight incompletions, and
that gave the Cowboys the ball back again. And what

(01:07:44):
do you know, sixty six yard boot. It's twenty to
twelve Dallas, early fourth quarter. Among the many other games today,
the Texans beat the Giants twenty eight to ten, as
Daniel Jones of New York through two interceptions, Bears twenty
seven to three winners again the Cincinnati Bengals Ravens thirteen
to twelve over the Falcons. There was also a Dolphins

(01:08:05):
thirteen to six win against Washington. Bill's won nine to
three at Pittsburgh, Rams thirteen to nine over the Chargers,
Stetson Bennett getting more time a long touchdown pass as
well as an interception in this one. At Everything's Final.
In Major League Baseball, the Braves were eleven three winners
in Anaheim over the Angels. Chris Saale another victory fourteen

(01:08:26):
and three. He had ten strikeouts in six innings. Detroit
shut out the Yankees four to nothing. Yanks are still
a game ahead of Baltimore in the Al East, as
the Orioles lost five to one to Boston. Milwaukee's won
four in a row at beat Cleveland two to one,
Minnesota a winner at Texas five to two, and Kansas
City won at Cincinnati thirteen to one. Case right now

(01:08:47):
owns the final wildcard spot in the American League for
the Red Star pitcher Hunter Green goes on the injured
list with a sore elbow.

Speaker 2 (01:08:54):
Back to you, thank you very much, Steve Seger, Fox
Sports Radio, Fox Sports Saturday in the Sunday air towards
Jason Martin broadcasting live from the tyreck dot Com studios
to Sager, of course, we'll be back with us in
just a moment for his extended update. Tell you what, guys,
let's get back that music. Let's put us in the mood.
Let's talk. AFC South over underwent totals, go ahead of you,

(01:09:17):
all right, AFC South.

Speaker 7 (01:09:18):
We're gonna start with the Houston Texans. They're over under
a set at nine and a half wins. We started
with Aaron last time. We'll start with you, j Martin.

Speaker 3 (01:09:26):
What do you think I mean? It's I mean, it'd
be easy to say, oh, well, sophomore slump. Yeah, you
had that great first album. But what's that what's that
second one gonna look like? I still think it's gonna
look good because I don't think that I don't think
that CJ. Stroud is a guy that does a lot
of gimmicky things that are going to be figured out,

(01:09:46):
Like our defense is going to be a little more
prepared for him. Sure, but I mean, how much better
can you be prepared for somebody with a lightning quick
release who's super accurate. I don't really know the answer
to that. He made guys that generally no one was
talking about. I'll look really good last year. I don't
think they've gotten worse. I think they've gotten more confident.
But they have a good culture. I really like their

(01:10:07):
head coach going into year two with Tamiko Ryans, I
think they go over I do. I think that's a
I think that's a team that again is going to
win double digit games and is going to be really
good throughout the year. The only struggle that you have is,
unfortunately you match up with the NFC North if you
were the AFC South, and you get the first play schedule,
so that could be the only kind of pitfall. But

(01:10:29):
I really like Houston going into the season again, so
I'll go over.

Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
Yeah, I am one that's a little bit lower on
them coming into the year, and I just think I
think there could be a pseudo sophomore slump. Obviously, Stefan Diggs,
how does he kind of mesh with the guys that
have been there? But you went ten and seven last year?
The division to me, I know, obviously, and we're to
talk about in just a moment Anthony Richardson. But Anthony

(01:10:55):
Richardson's healthy, but the division isn't fundamentally better, and it's
just hard for me to see the team on paper
being worse than they were last year. So I don't know. Again,
I know I said this with Casey a few minutes ago.
I don't think this is like a fourteen and three
like way way way over, But ten and seven is

(01:11:17):
essentially a five hundred ball club a little bit over.
So go ahead, give me the Houston Texas to hit
the over of nine and a half, all right? Next up?

Speaker 7 (01:11:26):
You alluded to it a second ago. But the Colts,
they have Anthony Richardson back here two under Shane Steichen
almost in Waldron, they're over under a set at eight
and a half.

Speaker 2 (01:11:36):
Wins J Mart what do you think.

Speaker 3 (01:11:38):
I'm not sure because this is a big year for Richardson.
I know he's early in his career, but he can't
take another injury, and you got to hope that he's
grown a little bit takes a few less risks. I
mean the risk that he takes. You like his heart
for it, but you also want him to still be
able to get up and play for you the next Sunday.

(01:11:59):
I like stiking lot. That team kind of lost steam
last year late, but they I think they did more
than maybe you were anticipating them doing early on in
the year. It's not a great division. That's another thing
that you know, we will talk about throughout this segment
that you would say it benefits everybody, but there's a
reason why. That's because none of the teams are like
all world. I still think Houston's the best one of

(01:12:22):
that lot. But you said eight and a half eight
and a half.

Speaker 2 (01:12:25):
Yep uh, I'm.

Speaker 3 (01:12:29):
Gonna say they're eight and nine. I'm gonna say they're under.

Speaker 2 (01:12:32):
I hate keep agreeing with you on everything, but I
agree with you on this one. Is I just listen.
We all love Anthony Richardson's tools, but injuries and you
factor in not only the injuries, but also just he
didn't play a ton at Florida, right, and so it
is all still the tangible things, and we just don't
know about the intangibles. And I think the other thing

(01:12:53):
is schedule's not super easy. To start Texans in week one.
We just talked about them at Green. Hey, everybody likes them.
Chicago Bears in week three. You know, if we think
Caleb Williams is as good as he could be, that
could be zero to three, it could be one and two.
And then oh, by the way, you got back to
back division games by the middle of October in uh,
both on the road, and they're both on the road exactly.

(01:13:15):
So I think you get off to a slow start,
and I think once you lose that momentum for a
young team with a young quarterback, I think it's hard
to pick it back up. And oh, by the way,
the back half of the schedule isn't any easier, No,
with Dolphins and home at Texans, Bills, et cetera, Lions
as well. So I'll be quick here and just say
the I'll take the under as well, all right. Next up,

(01:13:36):
we have the Jacksonville Jaguars, they're over. Under is set
at eight and a half wins. J Martin, what do
you think.

Speaker 3 (01:13:44):
I mean, this is a big year for them. I
mean they went ahead and paid Trevor, which I mean,
I understand it. But I think that we're starting to
think maybe his stealing is a little lower than we thought.
Maybe it isn't. Maybe this is going to be the
year where you get back to where they were trending
at the end of the year where Brandon Stay we
should have coached his last game as the Chargers coach,

(01:14:05):
but did not turn out to do it. You talk
about the way it starts, well at Miami, that's not
going to be easy. Cleveland is not going to be easy.
At the Bills, at the Texans, or your first four games.
I think it's possible they're zer and four. Maybe you're
one to three in that situation. Then you play Indy
and you play the Colts. But there are a few
winnable games on this schedule. I still think it's under.

(01:14:28):
I just don't think they're going to be very good.

Speaker 2 (01:14:31):
Just for the sake of being interesting, I'll take it
an over. You know, everybody's kind of, like you said,
kind of soured on this team, I get it. The
counter that is Trevor Lawrence was actually pretty good two
years ago. Doug Peterson didn't forget how to coach. For
the sake of brevity, because we're up against it, I
will take the over on the Jacksonville Jaguars, all.

Speaker 7 (01:14:49):
Right, last's but not least the Titans over under six
and a half wins.

Speaker 3 (01:14:52):
J Mart, What do you think? I think I've got
them going over. I think they've done some good things
any all season. I think they're better a wide receiver.
They went out and grabbed another guy and Ridley, you've
still got Hopkins there. I like Levis a lot better
than I thought it was going to as a pro
Brian Callahan knows out of coach offense. He was doing
it in Cincinnati where they were racking up points like crazy.

(01:15:14):
I don't know what he's going to be as a
head coach, but I kind of liked that move. I
think they're a little bit better on defense than they
have been. I don't know what their depth is, but
I think that's a low wind total. And if I'm
going under with both the Colts and the Jags, then
I'll go over with the Titans.

Speaker 2 (01:15:29):
I'll go under, just you know, combination of inexperienced quarterback,
a little bit of a tough schedule NFC North so
at Bears, Packers early along with the AFC East, so
you got the bills, you got. It's a tough schedule. Basically,
by by the end of October, you've already played Green
Bay at Miami, at Buffalo at Detroit. I'll take the

(01:15:53):
under on the Tennessee Titans. All right, tell you what,
Jamart will come back. Toss it over the news desk
to Sega has all sorts of good stuff. By the way,
we are doing over underwin totals. We will get to
a couple more divisions next week. But again to Sag're
coming up next to catch it. Get you caught up
on everything you missed throughout today. This is Fox Sports Radio.
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do every week around this time. Do want to toss
it over the news desk to Saga, get us caught
up on everything that we've missed throughout the last.

Speaker 6 (01:16:28):
Couple Well, wet still got that late game going in
Vegas and By the way, you mentioned earlier, this game
is blackout in Los Angeles, so there are a lot
of Cowboys and Raiders fans in southern California not seeing that.
My only guess is because there is a local LA
channel that is showing this game, just not live. They're
showing it tomorrow afternoon. Oh so maybe that's the reason.

Speaker 2 (01:16:48):
Is nineteen seventy NBA basketball.

Speaker 6 (01:16:51):
Yeah, it's not as bad as the blackouts rules that
Major League Baseball has had where people in Vegas. Conversely,
for a while we're not able to see games as
if they were just gonna get in the car and
drive down here, it would force him to buy a
ticket or something. Anyway, under five minutes are at five
minutes to go. In the late game in Vegas, it's
Dallas twenty to twelve. Aidan O'Connell with one touchdown that

(01:17:13):
got him close third quarter, but one interception returned sixty
nine yards for a Dallas TV early fourth The story
for Dallas, well, I did need to make mention of
Trey Lance because he did have a one yard touchdown
pass with about a minute to go in the first half.
Looped the pass successfully to the back corner of the
end zone for a score to get him the lead,

(01:17:35):
and amazingly, Dallas got the ball back because the Raiders
threw three straight incompletions in the final minute before halftime.
Dallas got it back and it was Trey Lance with
a twenty yard scramble that got the ball just past midfield.
And so on the final player of the first half,
they attempted a sixty six yard field goal. The Cowboys
did and it was good from Brandon Aubrey. Guys, if

(01:17:56):
this was a regular season game tonight, that would have
tied the longest field goal in the history of the NFL.
Justin Tucker three years ago won a game on the
last play with a sixty six yarder. Brandon Aubrey had
tried a sixty five yarder in La last week and
did not make that against the Rams, but he hit
from sixty in his rookie year last year, made nearly

(01:18:16):
every field goal attempt he had last year with Dallas
thirty six of thirty eight. But we talk about spring
football and does it produce anybody. It sure produced this
guy because he played two years with Birmingham and was
great and went straight to the Dallas Cowboys and had
a good rookie season after being at Notre Dame, not
as a football player. He was a four year soccer
player at Notre Dame when was drafted by Major League

(01:18:39):
Soccer by Toronto, and now Brandon Aubrey certainly has an
NFL career going. By the way, NFL Network has carried
eleven games live in the preseason so far and the
ratings they're averaging one point four million, which impresses me
because a some of this is against the Olympics. B it's,
let's be honest, it's preseason football, regular NFL product, and

(01:19:01):
as we saw in some of the games today, four
quarters is sometimes unwatchable. But also that's near the TV
rating that the NBA was getting for regular season national
TV games, not just the ones TNT, ESPN, ABC. Their
season average for the regular season was one point five
six million viewers. The Dallas Rams exhibition last weekend got

(01:19:24):
over two million viewers. If you want to talk ratings,
close the lid on the Olympics. What a phenomenal two
plus weeks If you include the streaming and USA Network, etc.
The Olympic coverage was getting thirty million viewers a day
for over two weeks. Just put it in perspective, the
first weekend of the playoffs for the NFL was thirty

(01:19:45):
one million flow for wildcard weekend of those six playoff games.
Just crazy ratings that, aside from the NFL, just doesn't exist,
including in primetime in US television anymore. Michael Pennix did
not start for the Falcons today, the first rounder Op
Ten pick from Washington. Not only didn't play today, he's
not gonna play next week because his coach says he

(01:20:06):
showed us enough last week. We don't have to play
him again in the preseason. That's a head scratcher.

Speaker 2 (01:20:11):
Back to you, Thank you very much, Steve Seger. I
do agree that's a little bit of a head scratcher.
But I'll tell you what. We will come back and
we will talk about a busy Saturday in the NFL preseason,
including a pair of rookies who did play, Caleb Williams
and Jaden Daniels, among others. Also Pittsburgh. Some interesting stuff
there as well, plenty more football. This is Fox Sports Areio.

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(01:21:23):
wait to see what Bernie has to say about what
is obviously a busy and fun time, a lot of
NFL to react to, both for Bernie but also for us.
In the final hour of this show and Jamark before
we get to some of the stuff that happened on
the field Saturday, Brendan is listening to us. He said
something interesting. I'm curious for your perspective, he said. He

(01:21:44):
was listening to our previous segments if you missed it.
In hour two, we picked our over under win total
selections for the AFC West, of course, featuring the defending
Super Bowl champion kidsas City Chiefs, Chargers, Broncos, and Raiders,
and we also picked the AFC South. But Brendan was
tweeting in specifically about the AFC West. He said, I

(01:22:06):
think the Raiders are a mirror image of the Colts
from twenty twenty three. Minshew is the QB for both teams,
and the talent around him in Las Vegas is similar
to what he had in Indy. On top of that,
Las Vegas defense is better than Indies last year, so
I can see. How about this Jason eleven and six

(01:22:26):
for Las Vegas, think eleven and six fields.

Speaker 3 (01:22:28):
All that guy's wearing silver and black.

Speaker 2 (01:22:32):
Eleven six fields a little aggressive for me.

Speaker 3 (01:22:34):
Not gonna lie, So look, I don't disagree with some
of that, like Minshew in both places, Minshew with some
talent to throw the football too, and Antonio Pierce you
like you're in a good situation. The difference, though, is
that one team had that experience in the AFC South

(01:22:54):
last year and the other one has Kansas City Harball
in year one, and I think a better Denver team
this year. And they're going into this thing without a
quarterback on day one, Like they're not even gonna have
the injury situation. They're just gonna have to roll with
Minshew or Adan O'Connell. Like I just if they win

(01:23:15):
double digit games, I'm not gonna make a foolish bet
or anything like that. I just don't think that's possible.
I don't think they're gonna be one of the worst
teams in the league. But this just seems like this
is the very definition of the rebuilding year because it
looks like they have a grander planet quarterback. This is
a transition like this is this is an interim, almost

(01:23:37):
like a lame duck year, because you don't have a
quarterback for the future. And if you don't have a
quarterback for the future, I can't see you winning eleven games.
Because you win eleven games, then you probably bring that
guy back. I just don't see that.

Speaker 2 (01:23:50):
They win eleven games. You gotta let Brendan host the
show for.

Speaker 3 (01:23:52):
You for one week, I think, okay, but yeah, that
would be fine.

Speaker 2 (01:23:56):
Nah, I'm with you. First of all, obviously, look eleven
and six is very grass. If I said it last hour,
I love Antonio Pierce. You know, covering you know, youth
football is in the right word, but you know the
college scene, which kind of overlaps obviously with the pro
with the with the with the high school scene.

Speaker 3 (01:24:14):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:24:14):
He was a very successful high school coach for about
four or five years before he went to Arizona State.
And it's wild too. The other thing is, like we
could criticize how it ended. You know, the Arizona State
situation was uh, you know, the whole staff got fired
because they were bringing recruits on campus during COVID. But
I mean, look at some of the guys that they
brought to Arizona during that time, Jadon Daniels, Brandon Ayuk.

(01:24:35):
You know, I'm not gonna say the list goes on
and on, because it doesn't. Ricky Piersall, who was a
first round pick who ended up transferring, uh, played his
last couple of years at Florida, So I'm not gonna
say the list goes on and on. But but the
guy had an eye for talent. I know, high school
recruiting doesn't equate to success in the NFL. Uh, I
think the I do think they'll be good. I think
the last point you brought up Jason on the Raiders,

(01:24:56):
then we'll get to some of the stuff that happened
on the field on Saturday. The most important part that
you brought up, in my opinion, is exactly what you
ended with, which is, you know, if you're the Raiders.
I mean, listen, nobody's throwing games in the NFL. We
know that, but again, you know there are if you
really what's kind of crazy is if you really look

(01:25:17):
around the league now, teams always pop up, but there
really aren't a lot of teams that you really think
a year from now are going to be in the
market for quarterbacks. And so whether it is to the
point you brought up earlier in the show I thought
was a great one. You know, if Dak in the
and the Cowboys can't figure things out, are you the
front runner for his services? Obviously there's a scenario where,

(01:25:43):
again you look at a lot of the teams that
are projected to be bad, most of them just aren't
going to need quarterbacks, you know. I mean, the New
England Patriots might be the worst team in the league,
they're not gonna need a quarterback. I mean, you go
on and on down the list. Indianapolis Colts probably won't
need one. I mean, the Colts probably aren't the right
team there. But the point I'm trying to make is
that you could draft somebody, you can sign somebody. So

(01:26:05):
with the Raiders, I don't want to spend much more
time on a Jason, But I don't even think it
behooves you to go eleven and six. If you go
eleven and six, I mean, it's one of the great
coaching jobs we've ever seen because I just I like
Gardner Minshew. I don't think he's that dude at quarterback.

Speaker 3 (01:26:20):
No, I mean he's a He's a Ryan Fitzpatrick type quarterback.
He's a guy can come in and do some good
things for you. You could do much worse than to
have him, But yeah, he's not your long term answer.
That guy is coming and you just have to If
you're the Raiders, you hope that it's kind of the
long game that you're playing with Pierce, where you're like,

(01:26:40):
all right, this year is going to be this year.
Next year we're gonna go get somebody, whether we get
him a free agency or whether or not we're bad
enough where we go grab somebody in the draft that
we really want. Our future is coming. Our future is
not right now. Like they're not gonna win a Super
Bowl anyway. I'm not saying they should tank, but it
definitely does not look like they coming out expecting to

(01:27:02):
win a lot of games. They are not putting a
product on the field that leads me to believe that
they care too much about w's and l's this year.

Speaker 2 (01:27:11):
Raiders, by the way, are still on the field as
we speak, the Dallas Cowboys closing out a victory in
Las Vegas. About a minute left in Vegas as the
Cowboys have a twenty seven to twelve lead on the Raiders,
Jason really quick. Let's go through some of the other
games that happened on Saturday. Not wanting to go overreaction mode,
but I think there were a couple of things that

(01:27:31):
were interesting. First off, Pittsburgh Steelers a very interesting quarterback
in their own right. You got Russell Wilson on the cheap.
It's not as though he has great equity with this team,
but I think everybody kind of believes that he's going
to be a starter. He plays on Saturday eight of
ten passing, but he was sacked three times. Kind of
really did struggle to you know, basically when the pocket

(01:27:53):
collapsed on him, to do much of anything. Now, it
is worth noting after the game, Mike Tomlin kind of seemless,
seemingly took his defense, saying, we didn't do good enough
job protecting the quarterback. That can't be a problem for us.
We've got to be better than we were in that
area tonight. But bring it up because Russell Wilson took
three sacks in a game where Justin Fields eleven of

(01:28:13):
seventeen passing, no touchdowns, no interceptions, but also showed what
he can do with his legs. Eight carries forty two yards,
about five and a half yards per carry. And I thought,
you know, just watching with the blind eye, I'm not
Mike Tomlin, I'm not Arthur Smith, the offensive coordinator. I
thought Justin Fields just looked more comfortable. He just looks younger,
he just looks more spry. And I think, I don't

(01:28:36):
think it's long before he is your starting quarterback of
the Pittsburgh Steel.

Speaker 3 (01:28:40):
I don't either, and I've thought that from the beginning
and the Russell Wilson experience. Look He's had a great
career and it's been fun to watch, but it feels
like it's about over. And certainly the peak has been
over now for probably four or five years at least.
He's probably already looking towards this post playing career and
what he's going to do. He's going to invest in

(01:29:01):
you know, he's got a bright life ahead of him.
He does. He's done really well for himself, and he's
got a you know, a great family and a lot
of things going on. And I'm acting like I'm doing
a eulogy for him, and I kind of am, because
I think the career is about over, and there's not
an advantage if you're the Pittsburgh Steelers in running him
out there to play when what you really needs as

(01:29:21):
much intel and information as you can get on Justin
Fields to determine whether or not he can be your
guy for the next half decade, or if you need
to continue to look, because until you have a quarterback,
you are always looking for one, and Justin Fields was
drafted pretty high. Justin Fields has a lot of things
that you like and a couple of things that have
worried you. But at the same time, how much of

(01:29:43):
that was a function of the dysfunction that he experienced
in Chicago. And is he playing with a chip on
his shoulder now? And have you picked up somebody special?
And as we mentioned when we talked about Arthur Smith
joining him as offensive coordinator, Arthur Smith has done this
before with guy who had left the place that drafted
him where it didn't work out great for him and

(01:30:04):
Ryan Tannehill and Tannehill played great football under Arthur Smith
and Arthur Smith maximized his strengths, ran the football around him,
and Tannehill did what he needed to do. Now. Tannehill,
even though he is an athlete, he was not the
kind of athlete that Justin Fields is. I think Arthur
Smith is smart enough to do some really good things
with Justin Fields. So I think you're right. I don't

(01:30:27):
think it has anything to do with what they did
or didn't do in a preseason game. I just think
that there's no there's no benefit at all to playing
Russell Wilson this year for you're the Steelers. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:30:37):
And I and the other thing too, is that you
know I said this earlier, but I do think it is.
I just don't think Mike Tomlin at this point in
his career, wants to go through the draft another rookie
and see if it works out. Now if he has
no choice, if both those guys completely flop, and I'm
you know, nobody's wishing it well, but it's the truth.

(01:30:58):
You know, like both of them completely, Justin Fields clearly
is in a starting caliber quarterback, then you do what
you gotta do. But I think I don't think you
bring in both if you're not thinking that one of
them can't be the answer, at least for a couple
of years. And obviously I think the hope would be
that Justin Fields would be an answer for much more
than a couple of years, really quickly. A couple other

(01:31:18):
results Jason Chicago the Bears win twenty seven to three
over the Cincinnati Bengals. Joe Burrow did not play for
the Cincinnati Bengals, but Caleb Williams did play in the
first quarter for the Chicago Bears. Into the second quarter,
a pair of scoring drives, A deep pass to Roma
Doonze sets up a field goal. A rushing touchdown for

(01:31:39):
Caleb Williams in this game as well, showed off some
really bright flashes. The stats don't overwhelm me six or
thirteen passing seventy five yards. Caleb's the guy. I mean,
that's one place where we don't have to try to
figure out who's gonna be the quarterback week one. But
Caleb once again showing you know he can he can

(01:32:00):
make playsoff script as well as anybody.

Speaker 3 (01:32:02):
Yeah, I mean, look, that's not that's not news to
either one of us. We've been high on Caleb Williams
for years. I'm thrilled that he's in the NFL. I
can't wait to see what he actually looks like in
games that count. I just don't get too high or
too low. If you struggle in the preseason, I don't
think that that's necessarily an omen of you being a
terrible quarterback in the NFL. Even in that season. I mean,

(01:32:24):
you know you had the famous you know Colts going
winless and all that kind of stuff. There's you know,
c J. Stroud last year, fifty five percent completion percentage
in the preseason, had a touchdown and an interception, He
started three games, He played a decent amount. He had
a pretty good rookie year. And I think Caleb Wiets
probably will too. And he's gonna do really good stuff,
and he's gonna he's gonna scare you to death if

(01:32:47):
you're a defense because he's just he's one of those guys.
He reminds you of Mahomes and Aaron Rodgers in his
prime in the way that the play is not over
until he is officially out of bounds. That's That's one thing.
Mahomes has taken advantage of what the rules is. Gods
don't want to hit him because he steps out of
bounds and you get that late hit penalty. But if

(01:33:07):
you kind of sit there, then he'll get three more
yards on you and move the chains. Rogers was the
master of doing that, and now you're seeing that with
Mahomes and Kayta Williams has that same kind same kind
of IQ. He's got that same kind of leadership ability.
He's going to take advantage when he can. You saw
the flashes of brilliance that make him the number one pick.
I think he's going to be really good. There's nothing

(01:33:29):
more that he can do than what he did in
terms of the special stuff. I just I don't care
that he did it in the preseason, like that doesn't
mean anything to me. I was already high on him,
so I'm not surprised one way or the other.

Speaker 2 (01:33:41):
Two other results from Saturday that are worth noting Jade
and Daniels ten of twelve passing seventy eight yards for
the Washington Commanders in a loss. And oh, by the way,
speaking of losses and staying in that division, Daniel Jones
a pair of interceptions in his return to the field.
You are looking for any sort of positive for the

(01:34:02):
New York Football Giants the early first round pick Malik
Neighbors four catches fifty four yards. Of course, question is
who the heck is gonna be throwing him the ball
long term with that team. Fox Sports Radio Aer Tors
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(01:34:22):
back and you want to switch gears back over to college.
Speaking of big seasons ahead, Dion Sanders, coach Prime Colorado. Yeah,
they kick off, believe it or not, ten days from now.

Speaker 3 (01:34:35):
That's gonna be a really interesting football game.

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football in our two I want to get back to
college football. Obviously, if you missed anything, make sure to
go back and download the podcast. But let's get back

(01:35:45):
to college football. And I want to get some of
your takes from the for the ap pole in a minute.
We did some of them again in the previous hour,
but I'm curious about this. I know you and already
talked a lot last week about the Sanders kind of
blow up, but the CBS reporter who had nothing to
do with the other CBS reporter that was mad. Of course,

(01:36:06):
that was prior to or maybe I guess it was
probably right around the same time of the Athlon Sports
piece that you know, I'll be honest, I not criticizing,
but think there were some holes in that story. But
the point I'm trying to make is that we are
entering year two of the Dion Sanders experience at Colorado.

(01:36:27):
As I mentioned a minute ago, and it sounded like
you were excited to talk about. They actually open in
exactly about well not exactly about ten days from now,
on August twenty ninth. They will be that first Thursday
of the college football season. They play North Dakota State
at home. Doesn't really get easier from there. At Nebraska,
which should be improved, at Colorado State, which we know

(01:36:49):
was that thriller in overtime last year that they won,
and then they jump right into Big Twelve play. And
by the way, the Big Twelve has five ranked teams.
Colorado plays all five of them, including the final three
games of the year. They play teams that are starting
the season ranked in the preseason top twenty five I'll
just bring it up to say, I'm curious from your perspective,

(01:37:09):
you love college football what like, So really two questions One,
what is your expectation of this team? But I think
more importantly what I'm curious about is what do you think, Like,
I'm just curious what you think would be considered a
successful season for this team, because obviously they create they're

(01:37:32):
just such a polarizing group of guys out there in Boulder.

Speaker 3 (01:37:35):
I mean, I think they need to go five hundred
at least to feel successful overall, eyeball on their schedule.
I gave them five and seven. There's just too much turnover,
there's too much change. You've had more than ninety transfers

(01:37:57):
since Dion's been there that have come in. It's a
team that has nine on both sides now they have
nine new offensive and defensive line transfers. Now. They weren't
good in those spots last year. So maybe you're gonna
be a lot better there. But you just have so
much new there that has to get, you know, kind

(01:38:17):
of familiar with what's going on. They you know, they
had the whole thing with Sean Davis where they demoted
him from OC their defensive coordinator left in the offseason,
and I mean everything just trended down. They were one
and seven in their last eight games, and it seems
like Dion doesn't like that they're picking him low, that
they're picking them low. And that's what led to that

(01:38:38):
whole deal with CBS, which is just that's Dion should
be above that, quite frankly, like who cares what they're
what they've rated, you like, just go out there and
win games. Nobody's that's the best way to shove people
up in sports, to just go perform and succeed. In
the face of all of that, There's just there's so
much here. And then the question that's always out there is,

(01:38:59):
I mean, how long is it going to be there?
He says he's going to be there past when his
kids are there. We'll believe that when we see. It
depends on how they are. If they if he can
get a better opportunity, he'll leave and he'll go somewhere else.
And so that's something else that you have to evaluate
and look at. I don't like for it to feel
successful in the eyes of the fans. I think you

(01:39:19):
would want to go at least with six wins and
I don't know that you can get there because the
schedule is going to be tough. The North Dakota State game,
you you know, Dion joked and he said, why couldn't
they have given us a layup on the way out,
because you know, that's a really good football team. Even
though they're not the team that they were you know,
two three years ago, it's still a nine to four
team last year. It's a team that UH is going

(01:39:41):
to challenge them, that's always well coached, that's fundamentally sound,
and we're going to get a good look at what
they what they could potentially be before they get into
their own conference play. So there's just there's just a
whole lot of things in flux and too many things
and too many question marks for my taste, which is
why I still think five wins is about the ceiling.

Speaker 2 (01:40:02):
Yeah, first of all, I'll say this, and this isn't
a Dion think. I don't get why anybody's scheduled in
North Kota State these days.

Speaker 3 (01:40:08):
Yeah, I mean that's just like that's just asking for it.

Speaker 2 (01:40:11):
It is, I mean, it is the cliche and it's
true though, it's like it's the no, it's the all downside,
no upside situation. You're paying them to come to your place.
I get Listen. I guess if you feel like you
need a little bit of a challenge in the out
of conference, but you're in a power conference, you know
what I mean, Like like, you're gonna be even if

(01:40:33):
the Big twelve isn't what the Pac twelve was last year,
You're going to be challenged. As I said, five teams
in the preseason top twenty five. So I just don't
get it. Yeah, I mean, I think, first of all,
you gotta get to a bowl game. I think that
goes without saying. But I'm just fascinated by how it looks,
how it sounds, and you know, I think a lot

(01:40:54):
of the stuff from last year, like like if you're
you know, let's say you beat North Dakota State, you
lose to Nebraska, you beat Colorado State, like, you know whatever.
Let's say you're you're four and three, like like, yes,
if you're five and one after six games, it's really interesting.
And if you're one in five after six games, it's
definitely really interesting. I don't know, like does three and

(01:41:19):
four do people care? Four and three do people care?
I think the answer is no. And I think the
broader question I think that gets us to that point
is the transfer stuff. Is that you know, listen, we
on the one hand, on paper, they are a better
team than a year ago. I mean, listen, you know,
you look at some of the transfers they brought in.
I mean, these guys are productive players. And that is

(01:41:42):
one thing I will defend him on is that. You know, listen,
he took a million guys last year, but he obviously
inherited the worst Power five team at the time, and
then you know, felt like you kind of just filled
for the sake of filling. This year, he did bring
in guys at most of those crucial positions that can play.
You know, a couple thousand yard receivers, running back from

(01:42:03):
Ohio State. You know, offensive tackle was the number one
recruit in America. Other offensive tackle played for four years
in the Big Ten in Indiana. A couple of nice
defensive linemen. You know, I listen, I don't think that
they're going to have the depth to compete at the
highest levels. But those frontline guys are actually on paper
much better than they've had. But you know, one is,

(01:42:25):
you know, can they perform at the level that they
have at other places. And then two, I think to
your point, you know, you're just asking a lot of
new guys to mesh together quickly. And you know, I
guess there are examples. You know, TCU the year they
made the College Football Playoff and championship game was a
lot of transfers, but there just isn't a huge track
record of that much roster turnover in that short of

(01:42:48):
an amount of time and just having the team be
able to come together and exceed expectations.

Speaker 3 (01:42:53):
You know, Yeah, I mean I agree, And look, Travis
Hunter is one of the best players in the country.
I kind of I wish they would pick aside and
let him do one thing really well, even though he's
good at both. I understand, but I mean, he's a
dude that we're gonna be watching on Sundays for a
long time. He's really good. And we know Chador is
really good and he's gonna be obut to try and
win Heisman this year. I think there's there's so much

(01:43:15):
of a circus atmosphere because of the celebrity of it
all the way it's set up. I think that makes
it tougher for them, even if they can go under
the radar and just play football, they get people's best
shot because people kind of just want that win over them,
Like Oregon clearly wanted to put some stink on it

(01:43:36):
against them, and Landing made no bones about that, and
other guys did that. I think you're gonna get more
of that kind of thing. And then you wonder, you
talk to your point about three and four, four and three, Well,
what has Dion said at three and four four and three? Sure,
is Dion just gonna be able to stay in his lane?
Or is Dion going to be Dion? If Dion is
Dion and he is out front, even if that team

(01:43:58):
is mediocre to bad, you know, I don't know what
that look is if they be. The best result that
you could have for college football is Dion to be
full Dion, but then to win like seven or eight
games and be really competitive and better than people think.
That would be an incredible storyline this year, especially the
way it all ended last year going one and seven.

(01:44:18):
If you're able to kind of flip that script and
prove that a lot of the things that Dion did
that he's been criticized for, you know, he's been able
to go out and back them up with the way
his team has played on the field. I think that
would be a fascinating case study going forward, and I
think it would be a great storyline to follow all year.
The worst case, I think is what you're discussing, which

(01:44:40):
is you're just kind of you're not awful enough for
that to be a story. You're also not good enough
for that to be a story. So you're just kind
of one of those middle of the road teams where
we just want to see what Shadur's numbers look like
and what Hunter is doing and maybe a couple of
other guys and that's it.

Speaker 2 (01:44:57):
Yeah. Well, and I think that's all very fair and
I think it'll be fascinating to see. The only thing
I would disagree on is I think the best case
scenario for college football, you know, forgets seven or eight wins,
I think it's you know, ten and one in compete
for playoff. But you know, we'll see if he gets
at worth knowing by the way, Dion's last two years
coach primes last two years at Jackson State, they were

(01:45:19):
twenty three and three overall, so he has won and
I think really quickly because I want to get to
the saga like that is an important note that you know,
you and I I think we fairly came back to
time and time like. It's not just because he's Deon Sanders.
It's not even just because he was bringing Travis Hunter
and Shadoor with him and all that. Like, he did
win at a very high level at Jackson State. But

(01:45:41):
we'll see if it continues to translate at the power
four level now at Colorado Colorado again, opening August twenty
ninth against North Korta State. Fox Sports Radio Raeors Jason
Martin will come back talk a little bit more college
football for we do though for the first time, for
the final time to CEF, I should say to Seager,
what is trending power for that?

Speaker 6 (01:46:00):
It's going to take some getting used to. By the way,
you mentioned Colorado paying North Dakota State for the visit
in that Thursday night game at the end of this month.
Reportedly it's a seven hundred thousand dollars guaranteed payout. Don't
get it for an FCS team to come visit and
everybody has one easy home game like that. I mean
in future seasons, year after year, they'll get one at

(01:46:20):
Colorado Delaware one year, and then Weaver State, and then
Colgate and then UMass and so forth. What I like
about the schedule this year is the week after that
it's gonna be Colorado at Nebraska. I know it's not
the same as years past, but at least once one time,
this one time in future years, we're gonna get a
Colorado Nebraska matchup. And the week after that is Colorado

(01:46:40):
at Colorado State. And that's not listed on Colorado's future
schedule at all after this year for about four years, unfortunately.
But the Buffaloes will have home and home with the
Georgia Tech and with Northwestern and other seasons. UFC three
h five was tonight in Perth Duplessi over Adisania and
a fourth round late fourth round submission. As for the

(01:47:01):
late NFL exhibition, and there was plenty of NFL for
this Saturday. The late game went to the Cowboys winning
at Las Vegas twenty seven to twelve. Trey Lance with
a short touchdown pass and a short touchdown run. Brandon Aubrey, though,
was the star, kicking fifty four yard field goal early
in the game. Aubrey made a sixty six yard field
goal at Las Vegas at the end of the first

(01:47:23):
half walk off field goal for the Titans to edge
the Seahawks sixteen to fifteen. It was the Jets fifteen
to twelve over the Panthers. Dolphins won their game thirteen
to six against Washington Rams thirteen to nine over the
Chargers in La Stetson Bennett with a long touchdown pass
and one interception. Ravens thirteen to twelve over the Falcons.

(01:47:44):
Buffalo's win was nine to three at Pittsburgh. Steelers running
back Jalen Warren with a hamstring injury. Caleb Williams of
the Bears are rushing td Chicago twenty seven to three
over the Bengals. Daniel Jones threw two interceptions. Texans beat
the Giants twenty eight to ten, and the Lions beat
the Chiefs twenty four to twenty three. We mentioned last

(01:48:04):
hour that it's a former spring football kicker who was
entrenched at the kicking job for Dallas these days. Well,
the Michigan Panthers this spring had a kicker in the
UFL that made three field goals of sixty yards or longer.
He's with the Detroit Lions now and had the game
winner as time expired at Kansas City. Today, Jake Bates

(01:48:24):
went four for four on field goals, including a fifty
five yarder. The late MLB contest at Anaheim went to
the Atlanta Braves eleven three over the Angels, winning pitcher
Chris Sale fourteen and three. He struck out ten in
his six innings. Marcelo Souna with a three run homer
top of the first his thirty six the match shut
out the Marlins four nothing. Philly's won their four straight

(01:48:45):
five to one over Washington. Pittsburgh handed Seattle a fifth
straight loss, seven to two. The Mariners are now four
games behind Houston and the AL West, as Houston defeated
the White Sox six to one, and yes, mathematically, the
White Sox are now eliminated for the playoff chase the
record of thirty and ninety four.

Speaker 2 (01:49:03):
We'll do that to you.

Speaker 6 (01:49:04):
At Detroit, Tigers shut out the Yankees four nothing. Yanks
are still a game ahead of Baltimore in the AL
East as the Oh's lost five to one to Boston.
Milwaukee has won four in a row at edge Cleveland
two to one. Cleveland's only two games up in the
AL Central Minnesota one It's game five to two at
Texas on Fox TV. At Saint Louis, Cardinals down the
Dodgers five to two. In the NL West, the Dodger

(01:49:26):
lead is again two games over San Diego, as the
Padres won tonight at Colorado eight three. The lead is
still three games over Arizona, which lost six to one
at Tampa Bay and Cincinnati star pitcher Hunter Green goes
on the injured list with a sore elbow and the
Reds lost at home thirteen to one to Kansas City.
The Royals right now on the final wildcard spot in
the American League.

Speaker 2 (01:49:46):
Back to you, Thank you very much to Sega, to
sag Up. A great evening to say, of course, coming
to the studio straight from that Chargers Rams game where
he was working with the Chargers. Fox Sports Radio aeron
towards Jason Martin broadcasting live from the Tyreck dot Com studios.
Weren't taking up till two am Eastern time, really quick,
jmart College football. So we've talked a lot throughout the show.

(01:50:13):
You had five takeaways from the ap pole that dropped
earlier this week. We hit on the first three earlier
in the show. Let's get to number four right now.

Speaker 3 (01:50:24):
Jason all right, So there's I mean, there's a few
obvious ones that I'm kind of looking past Kaitlyn to board.
Alabama's gonna be fascinating. I really looking forward to seeing
what that looks like. And you talk about stepping in
shoes that no one wants to step in. That's gonna
be tough. But what I wrote down is Utah question, Martin.

(01:50:44):
You get camerasing back. They're always well coached, they're always
difficult to match up against, they're always ready to play,
But how good can they be? Like they're kind of
twelve or thirteen on most people's list, that seems they
could be that kind of sleeper team that ends up
in the top ten, maybe even in you know, top seven,

(01:51:06):
top eight in the country because they're always sneaky good
as long as they are healthy in the right positions.
And you know, you didn't have Cam rising pretty much
at all last year. I'm just curious to see what
they are this year. And maybe maybe that's just me,
but I'm pretty pretty interested to see what Utah looks like.

Speaker 2 (01:51:23):
Well, two big picture things. First of all, they you know,
they basically played a third string quarterback the entire year. Yeah,
and still went eight and five. You know, eight and
five for them was a disappointment off back to backpack
twelve titles. But you did that without cam rising at all.
You beat obviously USC on the road, you beat Florida
at home, so that was impressive. I just think the

(01:51:44):
bigger picture is, you know, listen, as much as we
love the SEC and the Big Ten, it's gonna take
up most of the oxygen in the room. We talked
earlier about the Big Ten. It feels like it's going
to be kind of an Ohio State Oregon thing. I
think both of us would be surprised if it was
anyone other than that. And then the SEC is probably
gonna be Georgia, maybe Alabama, maybe Texas whatever Big twelve

(01:52:05):
I mentioned in a minute ago. There are five ranked
teams in this conference, and like, I don't think it'd
be that surprising for just about any of them. And then,
by the way, there's also a bunch of teams that
you know, you read reports out of their fall camps
that they feel like they're better than they're being credit for.
GI given credit for. West Virginia opens in Week one

(01:52:26):
against Penn State at home. Iowa State. I think feels
like they're gonna be better than they're being given credit for.
And again, J Mart, that's on top of Kansas, Kansas State,
Oklahoma Yeah, and Utah al or Oklahoma State excuse me,
along with Utah and Arizona, who of course is coming
off a ten win season that they're all ranked in

(01:52:46):
the top twenty five. I'll tell you what, j Mart,
why don't you save number five? The intrigue that you
have from the college football ap Top twenty five will
come back. We'll wrap the show with some college football.
That's next. Fox Sports Radio, Welcome back everybody. Fox Sports
Radio aera Torres Jason Martin broadcasting live from the Tireck

(01:53:10):
dot Com studios, taking you up till two am Eastern Time.
Bernie Frado of the Bernie Fratto Show will follow us.
Bernie always delivering the goods.

Speaker 3 (01:53:20):
That is right.

Speaker 2 (01:53:21):
Give a standing ovation to Bernie Freaky Fratto. He is
the best in the biz. We love you know, leading
into him and I can't wait to listen to him
on the way home. By the way, this is officially
our last show before football season starts. That's right, next
week listen. It's a little bit of a light slate

(01:53:42):
Week zero, but we do get Georgia Tech and Florida
State in Week zero in Dublin. College football is coming
throughout the show. We've been kind of sprinkling in some
college football conversation. Jmart had five takeaways from the first
AP Top twenty five, which dropped earlier. This week, we've
gotten to four of them so far, Jmar, what's number

(01:54:03):
five on your list? Usc Oh, fight on baby?

Speaker 3 (01:54:07):
I mean post Caleb, you are, you know, twenty third
somewhere in that neighborhood depending on who you're looking at.
Twenty two to twenty three. You paid Lincoln Riley a
lot of money and he has said a lot of stuff,
and now you're going to this big ten. You have
a new defensive coordinator again, what is Miller Moss gonna be?

(01:54:30):
What are they gonna do with a tougher schedule. I
just I'm looking at them, just like, are you getting
your money's worth out of Lincoln Riley? I think you're
gonna know after this year, Moss, if Moss is good,
and you go out there and you you know, beat
Penn State and you beat Notre Dame, and you know
you're gonna have opportunities you're gonna have big time games
that can be statement kind of wins for your program.

(01:54:52):
I just don't know what they're gonna be. I don't
and I don't think that the Lincoln Riley, the bloom
on the Lincoln Riley rose.

Speaker 1 (01:54:59):
Is not off.

Speaker 3 (01:55:00):
But it's not what it was two years ago either.
I think a lot of people thought that was a
whole lot more Caleb than it was Lincoln Riley. So
this year you're looking at it and it's a big
year for Lincoln because this is just a lot bigger
question mark and also a bigger target going into the
Big Ten.

Speaker 2 (01:55:16):
Yeah, a couple of things. One, you know, I've said
this a few times. I think as we've kind of
ramped up towards the season, you know, born to this
twelve team playoff era where nobody you know, there's no
one loss that's going to put you out of anything.
But I do think that Week one game LSU USC

(01:55:37):
Sunday Night, remember they play Sunday of Labor Day weekend
in Vegas. That one, to me, it feels like the
loser of that game because LSU, despite having a Heisman
Trophy winner and two first round picks, a wide receiver
like they were disappointment last year too, went nine to
three loss to the three best teams on their schedule,
and you look at the schedule that follows, it's hard

(01:56:01):
to see the pathway for that team that loses that
game to kind of meet expectations. I know you're talking
about USC, but LSU has you know, Ole Miss at home,
they have Bama at home, so they have a tough
schedule ahead. What I would say really quick on USC,
I think what'll be interesting is this is that listen.
I know what I just said about the LSU game.

(01:56:22):
If you lose to LSU, it's not the end of
the world. If you lose at Michigan, it's not the
end of the world. I think even if you lose
to Notre Dame in the end of the season, it's
not the end of the world. I do think those
middle tier games count.

Speaker 3 (01:56:33):
Though.

Speaker 2 (01:56:34):
You can't lose to Wisconsin at home. You know, Wisconsin's
second year head coach Luke Fickle can't lose to Nebraska
at home. Nebraska's second year head coach in Matt Ruhle,
can't lose to Washington. I know it's on the road,
it's late in the year, cold, rainy weather. But it's
like those are the kind of games that to your point, Jmart, like,

(01:56:55):
if you're Lincoln Riley, you're getting paid eleven million or
whatever it is dollars a year, Like you gotta beat
those kind of teams. So I think if you're nine
to three and you lose to an LSU on a neutral,
you lose to a Penn State at home, you lose
at Michigan, that's okay. It's when you start losing maybe
to a potential Wisconsin as I said, uh, Nebraska, somebody

(01:57:17):
like that. I think that's when the fan base really
starts to.

Speaker 3 (01:57:19):
Turn on you, you know. And then I think, I
think you know a larger point that's similar. It is
just you look at USC and you look at Oregon.
You look at a couple of these teams that are
moving into the Big ten, and the same thing is
true in the SEC. But I think it's even more
true than a Big ten. The sheer physicality that you're
gonna see up front if you're USC on a week
to week basis, I mean, you guys are gonna get

(01:57:40):
beaten up in a way that I don't know that
they were getting beaten up historically in the Pact twelve,
the physicality is different, the temperature is going to be different.
There's just there's a lot of stuff here that could
be treacherous. So I mean, I'm not like saying USC
is going to be bad, but it's gonna be a
If he comes out of this year and they somehow

(01:58:00):
are really good, then you're gonna be able to say
a lot of really positive stuff about Lake and Raleigh
because they're going to have earned it if they do this.

Speaker 2 (01:58:07):
Yeah. A couple other notes from the top first, top
twenty five, We've hit on most of them. I think
A and M at number twenty is interesting. First year
AAD coach, Mike Elko. They open with Notre Dame. You know,
Miami is interesting at nineteen for this reason, Jason, you
mentioned Utah a minute ago. Remember, top four teams, top
four conference champions, excuse me, get an automatic buy. So

(01:58:31):
this isn't you know, Georgia finishes one, they beat Bama,
Bama finishes three, doesn't matter. Those top four teams get
to buy. Miami is I think a lot of people
think might be the most talented team in that league.
We'll see what happens with Mario Christobal and that team,
by the way, Clemson also along with Miami. Both teams
play big Week one games. Florida State plays Week zero,

(01:58:53):
Miami plays Week one at Florida, Clemson against Georgia. Really quickly,
because we're about to get out of here, jmr. Any
last last last thoughts. Remember we have one weekend left,
no real college football except for week that one big game.
We'll reveal our preseason Top twelve college football playoff teams
next week, Jam Martin.

Speaker 3 (01:59:12):
I mean, I think one thing we can do next
week is talk about some coaches we think are on
the hot seat. I mentioned Franklin earlier, and that's certainly
still true. But you know, there's some guys that really
need to get some things done this year. And then
you have the opportunity for something like Elco to go
in and really make Jimbo Fisher look not very good.

Speaker 2 (01:59:29):
And I think it's very possible because they're another one.
You look at their schedule, by the way, and and
m one of the only two teams in the SEC
no Georgia, no Bama on the schedule this year, also
no Oklahoma, and they get a couple of their big
games at home, but I'll tell you what. As I said,
we will reveal our twelve team playoffs. Next week we'll
talk hot seat because college football is here. But for tonight,

(01:59:50):
we got to get out of here. Want to thank
the crew, Iowa Sam on the board, producer Ian Monsei,
and Steve de Saga on updates. Tosaga coming straight from
the Chargers Rams games, we appreciate him joining us. That
is all for tonight's show. Make sure to download the
podcast available shortly after the show wherever you get your podcasts,
and of course make sure you're tuning in to Bernie Fratto,

(02:00:11):
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