Steve Hartman & Rich Ohrnberger talk College Football and NFL MVP Odds!

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The Gang's all here, Manzi's here, Chris is here, Bo
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I we actually did a whole segment last Sunday talking
about getting back to our four hour countdown to this week.

Speaker 4 (00:43):
Yeah, and.

Speaker 3 (00:45):
Apparently didn't hear that.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
I understand, like you fully aware that we are back
to our four hour monstrosity, which of course will eventually
morph into red Zone Radio once we get to the
start of the NFL regular season.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
Were you fully aware of that when you woke up
this morning?

Speaker 1 (01:02):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (01:02):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
I woke up planning and beyond the air at ten am.
And as a matter of fact, just to double check
that I'm not showing up to work an hour early, yeah,
texted Bo about it because as much as I like.

Speaker 4 (01:15):
You, Steve Yes, and you know I do like you
quite a bit.

Speaker 3 (01:18):
Yes, quite deea.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
I you know what our four hours, it's it's quite enough.
So I didn't need the extra hour. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:27):
Well, I tell you what.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
Yesterday I was talking with Adam Kaplan and you know,
we start digging into these teams and you you know,
we do like a one segment, fifteen minute segment with
Adam and it's it quickly got to the point where
I'm like, you know, I could literally do at this
point of the year, like four hours on one team

(01:49):
at a time.

Speaker 3 (01:50):
Like there's so much to talk about.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
In these weeks leading up to the start of the
NFL regular season.

Speaker 3 (01:55):
There's nothing. There's just not enough time.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
And so here we are as we are still a
couple of weeks away. Week two this week of the
NFL preseason, then we have Week three, and then we
have the unfortunate bye week before.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
We actually get to the start of the regular season.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
But we're going to be covering so much of what's
going on in terms of the NFL season coming up,
but rich we also have to address next week Week zero,
Oh my god, the college football season. It's going to
kick off with Florida State and Georgia Tech. They're going
to be in Dublin, Ireland. This is how did Dublin

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become a main hub for an annual college football game.
I get it. Back in the day, they would have
Notre Dame, the Fighting Irish in Dublin.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
Georgia Tech and Florida State in Dublin. Am I just
seen something.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
It's uh, look, it's weird how traditions become traditions, right.

Speaker 3 (02:53):
Notre Dame made sense? Right? Yeah, the Fighting Irish, I
get it.

Speaker 1 (02:56):
But if you read back on I think the way
we celebrate, for example, holidays in America, because we are
such a melting pot, is an interesting history. And I
mean anybody who's interested in history should go back and
research the reasons why we do certain things at certain
times of the year.

Speaker 4 (03:16):
They're all, you.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
Know, tied to these strange, like you know, mystic traditions
from from the past over in Europe or other parts
of the world. And this amalgamation of a country we
have has led us down this path where certain holidays
are completely bastardized, like they're changed in concept to fit
our American way. And I think that's what's happened here

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is college football and the city of Dublin, Ireland have
somehow found this synchronicity.

Speaker 4 (03:49):
Have some like that we're all of a sudden, like.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
You know, there are legitimate college football fans in Ireland now,
like those games go bonkers over there. So yeah, I
think you're right. I think it started as one off
because Notre Dame going back. I mean they're called the
Irish Notre Dame going back to the mother country.

Speaker 4 (04:08):
It makes sense, and here we are. It's just I
love it, though, I really do.

Speaker 1 (04:13):
Like I'm not usually all for, you know, all these
games overseas in the NBA or Major League Baseball or
the NFL, because I feel like in those cases, you know,
it detracts from the ambiance of the season somehow when
it comes to college football though, for whatever reason, and
it's probably because there are so many games available to

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us every single weekend, I don't mind if you send
one of them a year of Ireland.

Speaker 4 (04:40):
I kind of like it as a matter of fact.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
So I was listening to our dear friend Jonas Knox
the other day on his Saturday show, and he was
alarmed as we get ready for the college football season
and guy that there's already buzz about expanding the new
twelve school pl playoff, even sort of an idea of

(05:03):
alternative for group of five conference teams that are not
included in the playoff to have a playoff for their
own And he's like, where did this come from? And
I'm like yelling at the radio. Rich Harberger.

Speaker 3 (05:18):
Rich Harberger is the one that did this. Rich has
been screaming.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
That, yeah, twelve is better than four, but it's not
as good as sixty four. Like it's like, you know,
I mean, you know, yeah, twelve is better than four,
but how about sixty four. Let's let's let's mimic what
we got with the college basketball playoff. So for those
are the Barbers period, Yes, yes, So Jone's going to berzerk,

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like where does this come from? Why is this out there?
And I said, have you been listening to Rich for years?

Speaker 1 (05:48):
For years?

Speaker 2 (05:49):
For years, He's been talking about this, even before we
got to the twelve school playoffs. So for those listening
out there that are alarmed by the idea of like
a full blown expansion too, a mammoth college football playoff,
explain your madness and why this would be a huge
benefit moving forward for college football, Well.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
Yeah, and not just for the fans, but for the
players too. I mean, look at this point, in order
to win a Super Bowl, certain teams with a wildcard round,
divisional round, with the conference round and the Super Bowl itself,
you're playing twenty one games to get there. In college football,

(06:32):
in order to win a championship, right now, it's so
much fewer than that.

Speaker 4 (06:37):
I look at it this way.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
If you just increase the number of games it took
to win a national championship by a few and we're
at eighteen total, does anybody turn a nose up at that,
like saying, like, oh my gosh, due, we're putting way
too much on these players anymore, especially now with name,
image and likeness and these college athletes now being paid

(06:59):
because they are professional athletes. Now. Yes, so I don't
think there's anything that's limiting us anymore from that standpoint.
You know, nobody can come in over the top and say, yeah,
well these guys, I mean, you know, they're asking so
much of these players and their student athletes. It's like, yeah,
well now kind of barely. Yeah, they got to go
to class to maintain their eligibility.

Speaker 4 (07:22):
But let's be very frank with each other.

Speaker 1 (07:24):
College sports at the profit level where it's you know,
talking about specifically football or men's basketball. I mean, these
guys are making money hand over fist. If you're a
starter on a team, you're you're probably making more money
than your parents probably you know, trust me, I would
be if I were playing college football still in this

(07:45):
time as opposed to the time I played in. So
what a sixty four team bracket would do would create
a situation where if you're one of the lucky teams
who won, you know, had an at large bid, or say,
if we want to include conference championships anymore, we can
if you want to do the auto bid things.

Speaker 4 (08:05):
So that would increase the number.

Speaker 1 (08:07):
Of wins you need to get to a championship, a
national championship, by one. Right, So we're talking about either
eighteen or nineteen games to get yourself into a championship
game situation. Sixty four games whittles down to thirty two
to sixteen to eight obviously a final four and then
a championship game. You've got enough games then to satisfy

(08:29):
all the ball sponsor. In fact, you would create more
opportunities for sponsorships for the NCAA. You would create more opportunities.
So you know, corners of the bracket could be renamed
after sponsors. You would have you know, you know the Northeast,
I don't know, Sunships side of the bracket, the Southeast,

(08:51):
you know, shoot, name it IBM side of the bracket.

Speaker 4 (08:54):
You could it. It would go nuts.

Speaker 1 (08:57):
College football already makes money and over fist, so this
would increase profits exponentially.

Speaker 4 (09:04):
Then go to the actual players.

Speaker 1 (09:06):
Now, the players, since they're making so much money in
NIL with only twelve games plus maybe a conference championship game,
if you increase the number of games day playing and
then increase the visibility for all these players. Talk to
any college basketball player who's played in a tournament. How
much additional money they make if their team goes deep

(09:28):
into the tournament. These guys, some of them are striking
deals worth tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands
of dollars. You know, in a single day, they go
out there, they hit a buzzer beater in a Sweet
sixteen game or an Elite eight game. All of a sudden,
they're getting to check from Chipotle or Taco Bell. Talking

(09:49):
about the carnatas I'm telling you, like, this is the
way this is heading. Anyways. If anybody has a huge
problem with it, I'm sorry, but they they are going
to expand the playoffs until it looks something like college basketball,
and I am one hundred percent for it. All right.

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from the tai Iraq dot com studios. How much has
college football change? Well, one player's path says it all.
So if you looked at the preseason polls that came out,
Georgia is number one. Ohio State's number two. Number three

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is Oregon. Now on the surface, that seems like a
curious pick considering they're moving into the Big ten, so
new territory there, and they lost their five year starting
quarterback note Vo Knicks to the NFL, So how are
they number three in the country? Well, how about replacing
a five year quarterback with a six year quarterback in

(12:39):
Dylan Gabriel. Dylan Gabriel if you do not know the backstory,
and Dylan Gabriel started his collegiate career at Central Florida.
His first two years sixty one touchdowns, eleven picks. Three
games into his third season at Central Florida, he broke
his clavical season ended after three games. He then goes
to Oklahoma for two years, fifty five touchdowns, twelve picks.

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He's played five years of college football. He already has
almost fifteen thousand yards passing and one hundred and twenty
five touchdowns in his career and he's playing a sixty
year Sure, well, he got that because of the COVID year.
Everyone was given an opportunity to write off a COVID year,
even though he played a full season that year. And

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he goes to Oregon. Can you imagine the nil deal
that he got courtesy of Nike to have one more
year at Oregon as they enter into the Big Ten.
So this guy, when you talk about a pro player,
rich Dylan Gabriel is that. And he's going to milk
his college experience for six years, three schools. He's going

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to rewrite the record books assuming he stays healthy this year,
and in return, Oregon goes fully loaded into the Big
Ten with one of the most prolific passers in the
history of college football. But this is where so if
you're a college football fan, the idea of extending careers,
no more having to sit out of here. With the

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transfer portal, you can go from one school to the Knicks.
This is where we're at. The idea of a player
back in your day, Richie, sign on at Penn State.
You're gonna play five years at Penn State and then
move on to the NFL. Those days are over every
year you're a free agent. And Nike, realizing that they
had an opportunity to get Dylan Gabriel with that resume

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to replace Bo Nicks, has put Oregon where they are
right now, one of the favorites going into this season
to win a national championship.

Speaker 1 (14:38):
Yeah, he Dan Lanning did did a good job here
because this is one of those guys who could come
in and take two will Stein's offense like a duck
to water, no pun intended. And I also think Oregon's
one of those teams in this whole conference realignment shuffle
that's actually going to benefit from moving out of the
Pac twelve and finding firm footing here in the Big Ten.

(15:02):
They kind of play like an SEC team. So against
Michigan or in Ohio State or even a Penn State,
any of the teams that are near the top or
at the top annually in the Big Ten, I don't
think they're going to struggle all that much with because
they remind you of those teams. Anyways, Dylan Gabriel is

(15:23):
as good, if not an upgrade at quarterback. We'll see, yeah,
And then you look at this defense.

Speaker 4 (15:29):
It's terrifying. Dan Lanning is an.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
Old Nick Saban disciple. What was always important to Alabama
when Nick Saban was roaming the sidelines was having a
fearsome front four on the defensive line, and that's exactly
what Lanning has. And at this point in college football
or even professional football, the two most important positions are

(15:54):
your defensive line. You know your pass rushers and your quarterback,
and virgin is way ahead of the curve in both
of those categories.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
If you look right now at these preseason rankings, it
illustrates the schools that are projected to continue to play
and thrive on the rules afforded them by the transfer
portal and nil money Georgia, Ohio State, Oregon, Texas, Alabama
will still play the game. How about ole Miss and

(16:24):
Lank Kiffin. You know he's playing this game hard. And
then all of a sudden, as you look at teams
that have dropped out of the top ten that were
always in the top ten, sitting there at number fourteen, Clemson.
So Dabosweeney has made it pretty clear that he doesn't

(16:45):
want to buy into this game.

Speaker 1 (16:47):
Oh he switched that tune up though.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
Yeah, he better because if he doesn't, he's going to
be on the sideline like well Nick Saban who didn't
want to play this game any longer and decided, no,
I'm not going to do that. I'm not at this
point in my life. I've done enough. My legacy is secure.
Alabama had that miracle throw last year for Milroe to
pull out that sec championship.

Speaker 3 (17:10):
That was enough for Nick. But I'll tell you for
Daboswiney who was used to being.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
And you know he's getting heat, right, I mean he's
getting a lot of heat saying why is Clemson rank
fourteenth preseason? How are we not a top five team
going into the year. Well, he's gonna find even if
you skip a year at this point in terms of
that transfer portal and bringing in fresh bodies and paying
out all that nil money, you will be irrelevant like that.

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And so it's gonna be very interesting to see how
these schools operate. Those that are fully embracing it are
going to succeed. The others are going to fall by
the wayside.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
Yeah, listen, the times have shifted. If you are not
going to be on this train, you're going to be
left out of station in some desolate part of the country. Yeah,
without anybody interested in playing for your football team. Look,
I hate to say it, but nobody's going to Tuscalosa
for the views, you know what I mean. Nobody's going

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to Tuscaloosa for the atmosphere and the ambiance during the fall.
They're going to Tuscaloosa because what Nick Saban has done
in the modern era of the Crimson Tide is created
an absolute machine. Now, he got tired toward the end
of having these postseason conversations with his players about how
much more playing time they can be promised, about how

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much more nil money they can make, what the team
can offer them to keep them on for their services
for another year. So he got out of there. But
Nick Saban, he was doing it right up until right
up until the end. You know, he was talking, I mean,
and he was talking about this publicly. You remember when
that clip went viral about how trying to compete with

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what was it, Jimbo Fisher, you know where you know
all those guys are getting paid over there. He was
basically saying to wealthy alumni donors, like, if you want
us to be good, we gotta do what they're doing,
So you better give me money so I could go
spend them on play spend that money on players.

Speaker 4 (19:12):
Like Nick Saban knew what was up. He just didn't
like it.

Speaker 1 (19:15):
But there's a lot of coaches who do. There's a
lot of coaches who thrive on the on the recruiting trial.
They love the couch conversations in the living room. They
got a high off of making the sale. It's like
being a used car salesman. It's like, man, oh man,
I got that lady to ride off the lot with
that mercury. We couldn't sell for years. Somehow I gave her.

(19:38):
You know what I did. I gave her a couple
of air fresheners.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
Ha.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
Anyways, let's move on to the next one.

Speaker 4 (19:44):
That's now.

Speaker 1 (19:45):
Listen, some of these guys are are great coaches, and
some of them are great family men, and some of
them end up making some of these players good people
and active participants in the community and just being a
part of their football program, they can change lives. But
there's something about the hunt for the sale. Can I
get this guy in my program, and can we get

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him for a lower amount than maybe a program who's
after him. Because if you can do that, if you
cannot only show your donors, not only can I recruit,
but I can recruit with value, like I could get
some discounts on the recruiting trail where we bring in
players every year, where we're not spending you know, top dollar,
and we're still performing at an extremely high level. That's

(20:27):
what coaches are tasked with now. And so for the
older coaches who it used to be, Like you said,
when I played, going to Penn State, playing for four
or five seasons and staying in one school for your
entire career.

Speaker 4 (20:40):
Those days are gone.

Speaker 1 (20:41):
So if you're reminiscing about the times of old, keep reminiscing,
because that's all it is. It's just gonna be a
faint memory because Papa's got a brand new bag. College
football has changed forever.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
Oh, it is completely changed, and it puts obviously a
lot of pressure on these coaches. As you mentioned when
Nick saban and it wasn't about trying to go out
and get, you know, players from other schools to come
to Alabama. It's about pleasing those that are at Alabama
and losing them. See that's where because as a coach,

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you invest time in these players. If you're a good coach,
you're investing a lot of time and effort in these
players to make them better. And you're investing time and
a player as a one year player and you're ready
for him to be a star of your team the
next year, and all of a sudden he comes in,
he says, yeah, I'm leaving.

Speaker 3 (21:30):
You're leaving.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
Where are you going? Well, you know, I just think
it's better over there. In other words, they're offering more
money and suddenly they've got all this leverage.

Speaker 3 (21:40):
We're still so early in this game. Where are we
going to go? We'll have more on that.

Speaker 2 (21:46):
Plus I want to talk about Alabama football when we return,
but first let's find out what is trending right now.
And Moncey is always bright eyed ready for Sunday, even
if and I know how she is, she likes to
enjoy her Saturday nights.

Speaker 3 (22:05):
Is that reaccurate?

Speaker 7 (22:07):
Yes, even though I was here till like eight thirty,
So you're.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
Here till eight thirty ish, yuh ish, And and then
your night.

Speaker 8 (22:15):
Continued, and then my night continued, right, that's right? Yeah,
you know, you know I'm feeling rich.

Speaker 1 (22:21):
We talk about we're doing great, straight from the update
anchor test, straight to the club, right.

Speaker 8 (22:27):
Back to the ancher, really right back to the.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
I mean at this point, like and I you know,
I've been around for a while, so I maintained a
pretty good pace over these years, no question. But between
you and Rich, I don't know. You guys right now
are on a different path.

Speaker 1 (22:44):
We take it over. We refuse to allow anybody to
go longer than twelve hours without hearing our voices somewhere
on the air.

Speaker 8 (22:52):
This is correct, This is correct.

Speaker 7 (22:54):
Let me tell you what's trending to hear A fellas
so on a nightcap with Shannon Shark and Shadow Chosinko.

Speaker 8 (23:01):
They had Noah Lyles on.

Speaker 7 (23:03):
So there's a video of this conversation and they're talking
about Tyreek Hill.

Speaker 8 (23:07):
Who said I'll race him.

Speaker 7 (23:08):
Remember he was talking to Kay Adams and.

Speaker 8 (23:10):
Was like, I would beat him in a race.

Speaker 7 (23:12):
So they're talking to Noah Lyles and he says, if
he's serious about it and not just talking on the internet,
if he's serious about it, you'll see me on the track. Well,
Tyreek Hill has reposted this clip and said sign the
contract and lock in that fifty yard race. Really, so
could we see Tyreek Hill and Noah Lyles race?

Speaker 1 (23:32):
Oh my gosh, I means so good.

Speaker 4 (23:35):
They should make that a paper.

Speaker 8 (23:36):
He's just about to say, televise this.

Speaker 3 (23:40):
Look at it.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
If you're if you know Ah Lyles, you do it.
I mean, figure like, what does he have to gain
from this? And the answer is money? Yeah, you know,
if I'm know Liles, I'm the one that's raised in
the bar as high as I can possibly get if
I going to race against Tyreek Hill, because if Tyreek
Hill beats him, yeah, the world's fastest human would which
is what you can get. The moniker if you win

(24:02):
the Olympic one meters would not be a good look.

Speaker 8 (24:05):
No, it would not. It would not.

Speaker 7 (24:07):
It's it's crazy that if it happens, it's crazy because yes,
Noah Lyles has everything to lose here, he got Tyreek Hill,
but he has.

Speaker 3 (24:14):
Everything the gain if he can get money in his pocket.

Speaker 8 (24:16):
Oh yeah, oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:18):
And he's kind of singing for his supper after the Olympics,
talking about how he wants a shoe deal.

Speaker 4 (24:24):
He doesn't understand why some.

Speaker 1 (24:25):
Of these athletes in the NBA has to have a
shoe deal and they haven't won championship yet, and I need,
I need, you know. So, I think he's trying to
keep his name out there as much as he can.

Speaker 7 (24:35):
For sure, it does seem that way. He has a
lot to save. I have more to say. In the NFL,
multiple reports the Minnesota Vikings are signing five time Pro
Bowl quarterbacks ste Von Gilmore to a one year, ten
million dollars deal. The NFL preseason does continue today with
a double header. It all starts at eight eastern and
the Packers taking on the Broncos.

Speaker 8 (24:54):
Forty nine ers are going to be hosting the Saints.
Both of them will start at eight eastern.

Speaker 7 (24:57):
How about this In the NBA, the seventy six ers
are signing gershon Yabuselei. Who's that the guy that was
part of the Olympic French team that played very well
helped the.

Speaker 8 (25:08):
French team get to the final.

Speaker 7 (25:10):
He did play in the NBA before, was Boston Celtic,
left in twenty nineteen to join Real Madrid, and now
he's back in the NBA. Seventy six er signing him
to a two point one million minimum deal. In baseball,
one game going on, Mets Marlins. The Mets just hied
the game. It's one one bottom of the fifth inning.
New York is one game behind Atlanta for the final

(25:32):
walkcard spot in the National League, So the Mets trying to.

Speaker 8 (25:35):
Get a win here. Back to you guys.

Speaker 2 (25:37):
Interesting developments going on right now Major League base Yes,
by the way, a little bit later on Job Paul
Morosi is going to be joining us, as is jap
going to be joining us today is that.

Speaker 3 (25:47):
One hundred percent? Yes, he's going to be joining us.
He's at the Little League World Series?

Speaker 2 (25:52):
Is he not? I believe no, No, is he? So
that'll be coming up in our next app we will
talk to Major League Baseball.

Speaker 1 (25:58):
He is in Williams Sport.

Speaker 3 (26:00):
Yes, he is in Williamsport.

Speaker 2 (26:01):
All right, Once again Steve Hartman and Rich Ornberger with
you here on Fox Sports Sunday. All right, So I
want to talk a little bit about Alabama post Nick
Saban and I can remember a conversation and this is
really old school.

Speaker 3 (26:18):
That ninety nine point.

Speaker 2 (26:21):
Nine percent of our listeners will have no clue who
I'm talking about, but it illustrates the idea of following
an all time legend. There was a great football coach
back in the night day named Tommy Prothrow. He was
a college coach at Oregon State and also with the
UCLA Bruins, and then he went to the NFL coach
both the Rams and the Chargers, and at ucl in

(26:44):
the fifties had a legendary coach named Red Sanders who
dropped out of a heart attack. Pro Throw, who had
been an assistant had gone to Oregon State, was immediately
off for the job. He's like, no, I'm not replacing
Red Sanders. Then years later he replaced George Allen with
the Rams, who was widely popular and successful and said
it was the biggest mistake of his career. So it

(27:06):
brings us to the Alabama situation because when you have
Nick Saban retire, how do you possibly replace the guy? Well,
I guess the first thing you wanted to do is
look at a guy who's got an impressive resume. Kaylind
Moore comes from Washington and if you include his years
at Sue Falls, where he won three NAIA championships, his

(27:29):
career record as a head coach is one o four
and twelve. That's his record, one oh four and twelve.
So now he goes to Alabama. He has the highest
returning Heisman Trophy voting placer from a year ago in

(27:50):
Jala Milroe, who, of course made that miraculous fourth quarter pass.
I still can't believe that play. We were watching that yep,
it was like it was insane. Did that just happen?
What was it? Fourth and twenty seven? I I was
how how did that play actually happen? So I want
to get your thoughts on him, you know, springboarding off

(28:14):
of everything that Nick Saban did. The most successful coach
in college football history. Sorry Newt Rockney, sorry to Bear Bryant,
Joe paterno, Bobby Badham, you can name him. No coach
in college football history can even come close to the
run that Nick Saban had at Alabama. What do you

(28:36):
do if you're du war in terms of trying to
maintain whatever it is that Nick Saban did to put
Alabama at the top of the heat.

Speaker 4 (28:46):
Honestly, just keep doing what you're doing.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
His reputation precedes himself if you include you know, some
other you know, deeper stats like the fact that he's
twelve and two against top two twenty five ranked teams,
you know, and many of those wins didn't come while
he was at Washington.

Speaker 4 (29:06):
You know, he also had the stop at Fresno State.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
I mean this, this type of coach is exactly what
Alabama needs. You don't want somebody who's accepting this job
who is going to walk in there and rest on
laurels or think that they've they've earned it, you know,
like or been you know, hey, you know, if it
wasn't for Saban, I would have had this job a

(29:28):
long time ago, Like I truly feel like Kilen Debora
understands how big of a deal this is because of
where he earned his come up, and you know, like
you pointed out the fact that he was at a
program like Shoe Falls and that had to be the
proving ground for him as he rose through the ranks
as an offensive coordinator many of the stops before finally

(29:52):
cracking as a head coach at Fresno State completely turned
around and this was during my time calling games for
San Diego State Aztecs, so I could tell you over
those two seasons, completely turned around a completely fledgling Bulldogs
football program at the time, and then went off to
Washington and continued that success. So he's earned this. This

(30:13):
has been the journeyman's road. This is a guy who's
had success everywhere he's been. So if you got nice
things to say about a guy like Jim Harbaugh, for example,
because of what he did at University of San Diego
before he went to Stanford, before he went to the
San Francisco forty nine ers, before he went to the
Michigan Wolverines and just won that recent national championship, you

(30:36):
have to say all those same things about Kaylin de
Boor because he's done the same thing every program he's touched,
he's turned around and made them a winner immediately.

Speaker 3 (30:46):
I agree with you.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
I think that Kleen de Bor was the perfect choice
because he does bring something new to the program. A
lot of times, what happens when you have a legacy
coach is that they'll promote from within, you know, someone
that's been sort of a long term assistant, you know,
and if you look at that, whether it's college football,
college basketball, it usually doesn't end well.

Speaker 3 (31:09):
It just doesn't end well.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
The best way to go is bring in a new face,
someone that you know obviously has experience and is how
it approven track record as a winning head coach, but
gives a little different look. I think, Debora, some people
are talking about is Alabama underrated?

Speaker 3 (31:27):
Overrated?

Speaker 2 (31:27):
I don't know how you say they're overrated at number
six when you have a veteran quarterback that's been there.

Speaker 3 (31:31):
And done that. How close did Alabama come to knocking
out Michigan.

Speaker 1 (31:36):
I mean they took them all the way down the wire.
They they gave Michigan a run like basically no other
team in college football could.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
Yeah, I mean it was a winnable game, and Milroe
was a big part of that. So I think, you
know when I look at some of these preseason rankings
and it's always amazing to me, the Associated Press and
I'm sorry, I know we got the college do we
have now? We could still have a college for ball
playoff pole the way they did in the past.

Speaker 1 (32:03):
Oh yeah, they will because and Steve, you know why,
because when you have ranked verse ranked, you can really promote.
It's like it's like the fight game. You know, we're
both boxing fans. When you have a big fight coming
up and it's it's names with belts attached to them,
all of a sudden it becomes more important. So if
you have a two top ten teams facing each other,

(32:26):
well of course you're going to continue on with the
polling because it helps create promotion. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
Ap by the way, goes all the way back to
nineteen thirty six. With the controversy started in nineteen fifty
when they introduced the first pre season poll. It's been
around that long, says nineteen fifty. At the time, people
are saying, how are you ranking teams before they even
play the game. And obviously every year you'll see teams
that are ranked very high that by the end of

(32:52):
the year are like what like USC last year? Yeah,
teams like that. All right, We're gonna on the other side,
I want to get to the new look of the
Big Ten, which is now the Big eighteen, Big eighteen,
yeah eighteen. How do you maintain that moniker of the
Big ten when you now have eighteen schools? And how

(33:12):
is this going to play out specifically for Washington, Oregon, UCLA,
and USC. What will these West Coast schools face joining
the Big Ten. We'll break it down. This is Fox
Sports Sunday, Steve Harvey, Rich Orenberger. Here, Fox Sports Sunday.
We are live from the tire rack dot Com studios

(33:33):
first hour. Today, We've been talking a lot of college
football because next week week zero four games on the slate,
starting with Florida State, Georgia Tech in Dublin, and then
the following Thursday. I mean, you start looking at the schedule,
so you go the you know, and then you have
the bye week of the NFL, and college football just
takes over that week one. You got Thursday Fridays. I mean,

(33:54):
it's just I cannot wait for this college football season.
But I'm a little anxious here, so I'm a use
CLA bruin when I went to use CLA way back
in the Stone Age. They actually expanded from the Pack
A to the Pac ten with the addition of Arizona
and Arizona State. During my time at UCLA, your school,

(34:16):
Penn State was firmly an independent in those days. Pitt
was their main rival to East Coast independent schools. Now
Here we are all these years later, and we're neighbors.

Speaker 3 (34:26):
We're in the Big Ten.

Speaker 1 (34:28):
Now.

Speaker 2 (34:28):
You played in the Big Ten for Penn State, so
I wanted to get a little insight from you as
a Big ten guy. So the idea of Pac twelve
schools playing Big ten schools in non conference games very commonplace.
But normally those games are in September. Oh yeah, because

(34:48):
you know you're gonna have the later schedule for the conference.
But when you go into the Big House or to
the Horseshoe, or into Madison or any one of these
stadiums that pack in a one hundred thousand fans, obviously
your homeschool there in Happy Valley, and now you're arriving
in late October or in the grips of winter in November,

(35:12):
how much of a shock. Is that going to be
to the system of these West Coast players, West Coast
schools that never have experienced that before.

Speaker 1 (35:23):
I think weather is going to play an enormous factor
in this upcoming football season.

Speaker 4 (35:32):
I think a lot.

Speaker 1 (35:32):
I think. I don't think it should be underrated how
difficult it is to play around the Midwest in the
late football season. I mean there are games that I
participated in after the game where doctors were evaluating players
for frostbite. I mean, that just doesn't happen in the

(35:54):
Pac twelve.

Speaker 2 (35:55):
No, in the Pac twelve, by the way, and obvious
I've been to a lot of these Pac twelve stadiums
are in the football season. You know, you go to
the Pacific Northwest, it's wet. It's wetting Eugene, it's wet
in Seattle, you know. But when we talk Midwest cold, yeah,
in mid to late November. As a West Coast school,

(36:18):
you've never experienced that before.

Speaker 1 (36:21):
No, It's like the wind can cut you in half.
It's as cold as you've ever felt the conditions and
you have three hours of it now, don't get me wrong. Look,
there's heaters on the sideline and the benches are heated,
and you know, you got helmet heaters, and you got
gloves and capes and all sorts of things to help

(36:41):
you warm up when you're not on the field. But
if you're out there on the field, there's nobody who
can come and warm you up, like you have to
find a way to fight through the conditions. And on
a long drive, a TV timeout, an injury timeout, a
play where there's going to be an official review, all
of a sudden, you're stuck out there on the field

(37:03):
and that ground cuts through your cleats faster than you'd
ever imagine.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
Let me let me break in for a second here,
because I want to talk about the pregame psyche. Yeah, yeah,
so you know you're okay, you got a mid November game.
You know, let's say it's USC in the Big House
against Michigan and it's twenty degrees and the winds blowing,
and it is and you're coming out of that tunnel

(37:30):
and you should be focused on football, and.

Speaker 3 (37:34):
Your thought is the weather you've already lost.

Speaker 1 (37:39):
Yeah yeah, listen, I've been I've been a part of
some games that the weather is the reason why we won.
And I've been a part of games where the weather
is the reason why we lost. When I was at
Penn State, and I've told this story before, we played
at Iowa. It was late in the season in two
thousand and eight. We were an undefeated football team at
the time. I think we were either eight to oh

(37:59):
or nine, and we lost at Kinnick Stadium because the
wind chill was thirteen below.

Speaker 3 (38:05):
Were you aware of the weather as you were out there?

Speaker 4 (38:08):
Oh, my gosh.

Speaker 1 (38:09):
Yeah. And in fact, the biggest problem for us was
at the time Joe Paterno didn't allow heaters on the sideline.
He called them a distraction. So that's how old school
he was. This is two thousand and eight.

Speaker 3 (38:20):
We had blankets on the oh, we had capes.

Speaker 1 (38:23):
We had the old school like uh, like you know,
if you go back and look at like basically the
real to real football film. Oh, super effective. Obviously, it
was like it was like being in asana. So on
the field, I lost feeling in my feet. Our receivers
couldn't catch a cold.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (38:42):
It was one of the worst football games we've played,
just from a standpoint of concentration and ability to complete tasks,
which obviously we were undefeated. We were completing all season long.
And it was because of the factors. Now, you take
cold like that and you expose the team like USC
or a team like UCLA to those that's a sort

(39:04):
of environment, or any of these Pacific Northwest teams to
that sort of environment, and you're going to have some
results that are going to look pretty lopsided depending on
how well prepared they are. And you know the thing
about like preparing for heat in a cold weather area,
you could do that. You could go into your indoor,
you could crank the heat all the way up until

(39:24):
it's eighty degrees inside, and you know, you tell everybody
to wear sweatshirts during practice. You can mimic the heat
a little bit. If you're in the Midwest, you can't
come close to mimicking the cold that practice. If you're
in southern California.

Speaker 2 (39:40):
I agree with you.

Speaker 3 (39:41):
I just believe this.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
Look, there will be an adjustment period for these schools.
I don't think there's any question about that. This is
not like Oklahoma and Texas moving into the SEC. These
are four West Coast schools moving into the Big Ten.
It is not just about weather, It's about a style
of play. This a whole new world for these schools.

(40:03):
Will they catch up eventually. I'm sure they will, but
the idea that they're gonna jump in and I know, look,
Washington is on Rank UCLA's on Rank US. He's barely
in the top twenty five. But there's Oregon City at
number three with a six year starting quarterback in Dylan Gabriel.
A lot of people are jumping on the Oregon manwagon. Eugene,

(40:23):
are you ready for the Midwest? We'll see. Maybe they are,
maybe they can adjust immediately. But I just think logic
tells me there will be a period of adjustment for
these West Coast schools as they enter into Big ten territory.
But because rich it is a different game.

Speaker 1 (40:40):
No doubt, no doubt. If the weather changes everything on
a football field, and we'll see, we'll see again, a
lot of this is gonna be an acclimation process, all right.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
On the other side, we're gonna jump to the NFL
three weeks away from the start of the regular season.

Speaker 3 (40:53):
What do we learn in the preseason so far?

Speaker 2 (40:56):
We'll tell you.

Speaker 3 (40:56):
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John Paul Morosi, our MLB insider. He's in Williamsport where
the Little League World Series is underway, so we'll have
a full report from JP on the kids as well
as what's happening with the big guys at the major
league level. Speaking of San Diego, podrace on fire right now, Rich.

Speaker 3 (41:42):
Two gains back of the Dodgers.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
Dodgers another injury to their pitching staff, Tyler Glass. Now
going back on the il they had it called Bobby
Miller up from the Oklahoma City and he got u
shell ACKed and the Dodgers' lead now just two games
in that National League West.

Speaker 1 (42:04):
Yeah, it's been pretty incredible to see how hot the
Padres got on the other side of the trade deadline.
And you think to yourself, like, well, okay, so what
exactly did the Padres do with the trade deadline? And
they did reinforce their bullpen, and there's no question that
the bullpen come up clutch since then. But the truth

(42:26):
is this team, and maybe some of it has to
do with Mike schiltz leadership as the new manager in
San Diego, but this team, after the disaster last year,
Bob Melvin's final year is as a manager after only
a two year stint, a complete meltdown. If you look
at this team in any of the preseason polling in

(42:48):
twenty twenty three, they were expected to either compete for
or win a World Series according to the analysts and
the statisticians who cover this game, and they were underwhelming
to say the very least, and that's being generous. But
this season, with injuries, because they've had multiple injuries in
their starting rotation, with other obstacles, they've found a way

(43:09):
to cobble together a five hundred season up until the
All Star break and then on the other side of
the break, they're the hottest team in baseball. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
I mean, it's always nice to have an ace on
your staff, and right now, Dylan Cees has become that
ace for the pod Race. Of course, he had the
no hitter and he has been pitching well got its
twelfth victory yesterday, So JP will join us coming up
here shortly time to talk some NFL right now, rich
And as I mentioned yesterday, Adam Kaplan joined us and
then we started talking about teams and everything, and I

(43:40):
felt like I could literally sit here and talk twenty
four hours a day about the NFL. I mean it
just yeah, of course, you know you're at that point
of the season because we say this time and again
and it bears fruit.

Speaker 3 (43:53):
I mean, it's it's the truth. There will be four
or five teams.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
Who we are not looking at in any way as
a playoff contender, that by seasons end will be in
the playoffs. And conversely, there will be teams that we
are talking full on Super Bowl contenders that by the
end of the season we'll look back saying what were
we thinking. I want to talk about a team right

(44:21):
at the top.

Speaker 1 (44:22):
Yeah, go ahead, let's hear this one.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
The Pittsburgh Steelers. All right, all right, So Mike Tomlin,
who being kend Ohio someday deservedly so, has never had
a losing season.

Speaker 3 (44:36):
Never.

Speaker 2 (44:38):
The Steelers have had two home games in the preseason.
They haven't scored yet, like a touchdown.

Speaker 3 (44:47):
The Steelers yesterday.

Speaker 2 (44:51):
Rolled out their two new quarterbacks, Russell Wilson and Justin Fields.
Each of them was given five series, five series. I mean,
think about Russell Wilson, right, there's a veteran quarterback five series.
In those five series, the Steelers scored zero points. He

(45:14):
threw for a total in those five series forty seven yards.
He was sacked three times, so his net yards passing
for those five series was twenty six yards. And then
Justin Fields comes in, he thes for ninety two yards.

(45:36):
He also runs for forty two yards. He was only
sacked once and they got a field goal out of it.

Speaker 3 (45:45):
So I know everyone.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
Is saying that Russell Wilson is the guy, and I'm
saying that's an incomplete sentence. Russell Wilson is the guy
until he's not. And I'll be honest with you. I
know it's preseason and when they were talking about, you know,
after the game, well, the offensive line's got to.

Speaker 3 (46:06):
Do a better job. Weren't we doing down this path
when Russell Wilson.

Speaker 2 (46:09):
Was in his hey Dan Seattle, and he was leading
the league in sacks year in year out, you know,
trying to extend plays and the offensive line would get
the heat instead of the quarterback who's hanging onto the
ball too long, and then eventually there's only so long
the wall can hold up before it crumbles. I don't
buy into it. I think Russell Wilson is finished. Hand

(46:33):
the ball to Justin Fields. It may be the first
losing season in Steeler's history, but at least you're moving
forward with Justin Fields. I don't see any reason why
the Steelers should waste any time with Russell Wilson as
their quarterback.

Speaker 1 (46:52):
Look, I'm a fan of Justin Fields. I was a
little perplexed that they wanted to They wanted to get
Caleb Williams, who, let's be honest, there's just as much
boomer bust potential out of a player like him, very
similar skill set to Justin Fields. Coming out of college,

(47:12):
you know, success at the collegiate level. Both of them
played with a ton of great players at Ohio State
and USC respectively. Both had one huge year and one
quieter year as starters of their given teams. And then
they come into the league and the expectation is Caleb
William's going to be the cure all because he's the

(47:33):
first overall draft pick in Justin Fields is yesterday's news.
I think that they could have spent that draft capital
building a stronger team around the quarterback position. And if
it really went sideways, well, you have a team that's
you know, stock blocked, ready for bear. Maybe go after
one of these quarterbacks and free agency or trade for one.

(47:54):
Leverage your future a little bit for the short term gain,
like some of these teams have recently. I don't really
understand the calculus on the Bears, but moving on to
the Pittsburgh Steelers, what Justin Fields had was a hard
time acclimating to the Bears system. I don't know if
that was because he was catching up to the speed
of the NFL, but he wasn't a quick diagnoser, and

(48:18):
he got himself into trouble when he would pat the
ball in the pocket stand there like a statue, miss
open receivers who were coming open on route concepts, and
he just couldn't see him, and so he would extend
plays that he wasn't supposed to with his legs. He'd
get himself into trouble, and sometimes it worked out well
for him because he's such an explosive athlete. He could
turn those broken plays into big plays, but sometimes he

(48:41):
got the Bears into serious trouble and he put them
way behind the eight ball. My expectation for Justin Fields
is since he's switching environments again, we're gonna see some
of those growing pains. So I understand the thought process
of slow playing him into a starting role if he
truly is the future there, because part of the reason
why it didn't work out in Chicago is he was overexposed.

(49:04):
I don't think he was ready to play, and I
think that they were forced to start him due to
circumstance and wasn't the best thing for him.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
I don't see anything the game by Russell Wilson. Now, granted,
here's the thing, you're not paying him any money. Denver
has to pick up the bill for Russell Wilson this year.
But when I watched Russell, first of all, he just
did not look right in a Steelers uniform.

Speaker 3 (49:27):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (49:28):
Sometimes you look at players and when I think about
Steeler football, I don't think Russell Wilson.

Speaker 1 (49:35):
It's like Montana wearing a Chiefs jirt.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
I mean, well, Montana, Montana got away with it a
little bit better. I just I associate the Steelers with
someone different than Russell Wilson. I mean, part of it is,
when you think about it, they had big band for
all those years. He fit right like Ben Roethlisberger, just

(49:57):
sort of. He was a Steelers quarterbacks, big guy, physical guy.
There's there's something that looked right that's not Russell Wilson
at all. And then and I'm watching him and he's
holding on the ball, he's getting sacked, you know, and
then you and then you got you know, Mike Tomlins
throwing the offensive line under the bus.

Speaker 3 (50:18):
I'm like, no, no.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
No, no, no, no, no, no anyway, I just I don't
know if Justin Fields is the guy. I just know
that Russell Wilson is not the guy.

Speaker 1 (50:31):
I I'm not going to sit here and campaign that
Russell Wilson is is going to be, you know, the
next coming of Ben Roethlisberger. Uh in Pittsburgh. That's it.
I don't think that they've increased their prospects of winning
leaps and bounds with signing, the signing or the trading
for Russell Wilson. However, I will say this, there's no

(50:54):
question in my mind that there has been an upgrade
a quarterback and even if the trade was just limited
to Russell Willis as opposed to Wilson and Fields, I
would still be saying the same thing. Kenny Pickett, Mitch Trubisky,
and Mason Rudolph were your starting quarterbacks last year in
Pittsburgh and they were still able to crack the postseason.
They're better off with Russell Wilson. Now, I agree. Having

(51:17):
an understudy as explosive as Justin Fields makes it so
Russ is going to have a short on ramp this
season to getting this thing right. If the Steelers start
off one and two, you know, if the Steelers start
off two and two, but those two wins were despite
of shaky performances from their quarterback and he still hasn't

(51:39):
looked right, I think we could see an early season switch.
I wouldn't be shocked. And also, we know how this
works when you have a popular backup quarterback, you don't
actually have a starting quarterback because so many times what
happens is at the first sign of struggle from your
starting quarterback that it's the end of the road for

(52:01):
the starter. The Packers did this with Aaron Rodgers, and
while Jordan Love wasn't getting as much attention, as some
of the other more popular or famous backups. There was
a contingent of Green Bay fans saying we're tired of rogers.
We want to move on to the future. This happened
to Alex Smith when he was a starting quarterback and

(52:21):
a playoff quarterback for the Kansas City Chiefs. They draft
Patrick Mahomes. Fans got a taste of what he was
able to offer the final game of what ended up
being the final season for Alex Smith in Kansas City,
when they went on the road against Denver in a
meaningless game in Patrick Mahomes in his debut as a
rookie was incredible. I mean, that was the end of

(52:43):
the road for Alex Smith. So we've seen this before
and I think it's going to be the same in Pittsburgh.
If Wilson has any early season slip ups, all.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
Right, we have a lot of teams are going to
get to that are facing quarterback decisions as they get
ready for the start of the regular season.

Speaker 3 (52:57):
But we're gonna switch gears on the other side.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
Will be joining us from the home of the Little
League World Series, Williamsport, Pennsylvania, our Fox Sports Radio MLB
insider John Paul Morosi.

Speaker 3 (53:10):
This is Fox Sports Sunday.

Speaker 2 (53:12):
Steve Harbin and Ritchronberger Here Fox Sports Sunday. We are
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the Little League World Series, as well as a stretch
run around Major League Baseball or MLB Insider from Fox

(53:32):
Sports Radio. The one and only John Paul Morosi is
joining us right now from Williamsport, and JP, I know
you've been a part of the Little League World Series
scene for a number of years. Your passion for the
sports knows no peer. What is it that you enjoy
most about the atmosphere surrounding the Little League World Series?

Speaker 9 (53:54):
Well, Steven resk of that afternoon from williams Sport, it's
it's the pureness of the joy that people have for
this game. And yes, that applies to the Little leaguers
who are here living out their dreams. It applies to
their families, their parents who are here, and it also
applies to the New York Yankees and the Detroit Tigers

(54:15):
and the major leaguers who are here. And I got
to tell you, it was one of the more stirring
things I've seen in my career covering baseball to watch
Aaron Judge walking through the throngs of people and signing
what had to be two hundred autographs during the course
of today for fans. And of course he's he's so tall,

(54:36):
he is he is such a giant among us, and
he he his walks with such grace among these like
the very small kids who are asking for their for
their autograph from their hero. And I just thought it
was remarkable that Aaron was able to oblige so many
of those requests, and it just created a very authentic
and beautiful noise, as I would describe it, from all

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the all the fans and and Aaron, I think is
the great exemplar of this. But I think in small moments,
the Tigers and Yankees written large. They all went through
similar moments and their eyes got big. I spoke with
Garrett Cole and John Carlos Stanton and they become fans.
And I think at one point and Aaron Boone shared
with us as well, the major league players. At this

(55:19):
time of year, the Little League World Series is almost
always on during the day in the clubhouse, and so
major league players will will root for the favorite team
from their region or from their country, and it becomes
a real, a real rooting and support dynamic for a
lot of different players in those moments. So I just
think it's a really nice showcase of why this game

(55:41):
is so special.

Speaker 1 (55:42):
JP. That's awesome to hear, always good to hear that
current players are given back to really the roots of
where many of them came from. And actually I have
a question about that. Do a lot of players come
from these little leagues, especially these more successful teams and
also kind of, you know, a branch off from that question,
do scouts take that seriously? Like are there actual scouts

(56:07):
looking at young players and seeing how they project through
the years or is having a pedigree of playing at
a high level a little league important at all when
it comes to determinating which players you're drafting out of
high school at college.

Speaker 9 (56:20):
You know, Rich, it's a great question, I would say this.
The first part is it's very rare, and it's only
happened a couple times in my years covering this event,
where someone in this event that had gone on to
play in the Little League Classic let's say it's very,
very rare, and I think part of that is a

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couple of reasons. Number One, you got to be lucky
to advance your way through the tournament. Actually, Juan Soto,
I just found this out yesterday. Wan Soto got to
the semi final of the regional tournament that would have
brought up to Williamsport, but he made the last out
when he was a kid of the Dominican Republic. So
Wan Soto made the last out of the semi finals

(57:01):
and was two wins shy of getting here to Williams Sports.
Garrett Cole said to me, hey, we got to the
section le. We didn't get beyond that. So it's even
for the greatest talents, you're dependent upon the team, which
is why baseball is such a great team sport. It's
also true and if I could put on my sports
parenting hat for a moment, this is a snapshot in time,

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whether or not you're an all star on your team
when you're twelve, and how good your team is when
you're twelve. We all know that young athletes develop at
different rates. Kids grow and hit their growth sports at
different times, and I think if you look back any
of us that played little league ball and think about
the a All Star team as it was called, I
know in my little league, and you go back and

(57:44):
you track that forward, you know, who were the kids
that stayed with baseball? Were those always the best athletes
when they were eighteen? And in many cases the answer
is no, in my experience at least, And you think
back in different moments in time. So it's what I
stressed even to my own kids, whatever age you're at,
it just a moment in time. And I think that
the players that tend to make it to the big

(58:05):
leagues are really superior athletes all the way around. Maybe
they've played multiple sports, and especially those that endure and
end up playing for a long time, like Mookie Betts
for example, Whereas maybe sometimes the twelve year old All
Star team is comprised of the kids that just happened
to hit their growth spurt and train a bunch at
that particular time, Whereas I think that the greater long

(58:27):
term success belongs to the better balanced athletes.

Speaker 2 (58:32):
What is more impressive to you a triple crown season
for a hitter or fifty to fifty. I asked that
because Osona right now is second in league in batting,
second in home runs, leads the league and runs batted
in and shoe Aotani's on.

Speaker 3 (58:49):
Pace right now for forty nine home runs.

Speaker 2 (58:51):
And forty eight stolen basis, he'll be the sixth player
to get to the forty to forty club. How would
you size up that two man bat right now in
terms of MVP?

Speaker 9 (59:04):
Great question. I think that Ozuna is having an amazing
year and Otani I think his production and his ability
to bat lead off is really crucial it also, I
think to me, you look at what Otani is able
to do running the bases, I would give the slight
edge right now to Otani with what he's able to do,

(59:24):
especially because the fifty to fifty my goodness, what a
year that would be. And by the way, Otani is
still somewhere, maybe not quite as prominent as Ozuna, but
somewhere in that triple Crown conversation too. So I do
think that they are both really strong MVP candidates, obviously,
and I believe that we're going to look back, you know,

(59:45):
when you get to the early days of October. I
suspect that it's going to be clear which one deserves
the award. You could argue that both are deserving, and
I would say that's true, but I think that by
that time one will be more deserving than the other.
And honestly, if Otani goes fifty fifties, I think that

(01:00:06):
that will represent I think a greater level of achievement,
especially because of his ability to bat lead off for
the Dodgers since Mookie Bets's injury.

Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
When you look around baseball right now, JP is we're
getting closer and closer to seeing these division races worked
out and playoff time. What would you say are the
divisions people should concentrate on as the hottest battles in
baseball right now?

Speaker 9 (01:00:33):
Well, I think that the Yankees and Orioles are. It's
a great race. Obviously, whoever finishes second is almost certain
to make the playoffs as a wild card, so it
is a division title worth pursuing and still competing for
that playoff berth as the number one seed. But I
think in a lot of ways, the American League Central
is is maybe more interesting because you're likely looking at

(01:00:57):
a division where perhaps one of the teams of those
three Royals, Twins, Guardians will not make it, So there's
a little more urgency there. It's a very close race.
I think actually, though, the most remarkably competitive division that
we didn't think was going to be that competitive is
the NL West because what's happened to the Dodgers and

(01:01:18):
how it really To be clear here, I'm not gonna
criticize the Dodgers too much because actually, if you look
at their performance since the All Star Break, they've been
they've been one of the better teams in baseball. It's
just that the Padres and Diamondbacks are playing so well,
they're still gaining ground on them. So I think that
to me is what I is what I look at
and really point out here, is that I'm seeing in

(01:01:41):
that situation a Dodgers team that with now some more
questions about injuries and Freddie Freeman and Tyler Glass now
in recent days, they now have to really watch them
their rearview mirror because the Padres and reigning National League
champion Diamondbacks are closing in.

Speaker 2 (01:01:59):
I mek you, this is the Chris Sale for Vaughan
Grissom trade, the most one sided trade in the history
of Major League Baseball. That is what, my goodness, the
Red Sox got by the way Grisam right now hitting
one forty eight. Chris Sale was given up for dead
seventeen wins over the last five years, all kinds of injuries,
and as we sit here right now, he's got the

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triple crown of pitching in.

Speaker 3 (01:02:22):
The National League.

Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
Explain what happened Where the Chris Sale that we saw
many years ago one of the dominant pitchers of baseball
suddenly is back with a vengeance.

Speaker 9 (01:02:33):
I think it was a new environment. I think it
was in Atlanta does a great job of I think,
really creating a positive environment, great manager, great pitching coach,
and a clubhouse environment that really clicks very well. And
I think that Chris fit well with that group right away.
And I also think he's healthy and he seems to
really be appreciating this new opportunity. I do think clearly

(01:02:58):
the Red Sox did not do as well in that
trade as they should have. I also think they deserve
a little bit of grace in that. I think Chris's
results might be a little bit link to where he's
at right now. Closer to home, of course, he's from Florida,
comfortable place to play, better place to pitch than Fenway.
I just think that it's more his kind of speed,

(01:03:20):
and it's not so much the fault of the Red
Sox as I really just want to give credit to
Chris Sale for putting himself back in this category. And
you're right. I mean, it's a tremendous achievement for the Braves,
and yet they're still fighting for their playoff lives, and
when you consider all the injuries they have faced, and
as great as Luzuna has been, missing Akunya has been

(01:03:40):
a real detriment for them. So it's a lot of fun.
This is one of many races down the stretch. It's
going to be really entertaining to see. But I agree
that watching Chris Sale pitch in very important games late
in the season, it does make you view his career
in a different light. And certainly Alexanthopolis's trade for him
in the offseason was one of the best moves, maybe
these single best that any GM made last winner JP.

Speaker 1 (01:04:02):
When baseball is spoken about, the focus is on the players,
and I think it always has been, by and large,
but we used to have larger than life managers associated
with teams.

Speaker 4 (01:04:12):
Tommy Lesorda Joe Tory.

Speaker 1 (01:04:15):
During the Yankees era of winning that he was a
part of the organization. For yeah, is there how important
are managers at the major league baseball level anymore? Because
I feel like maybe along with the culture change, with
the front offices being more analytics focused, obviously there's a

(01:04:37):
diminishment of that role's importance or level of importance, at
least publicly facing. I feel like fans aren't all that
wrapped up in managers anymore.

Speaker 4 (01:04:47):
They're focused on the players.

Speaker 9 (01:04:50):
That's very interesting observation, Rich. I think that a couple
things players still and when you look at their what
they're able to do, it is, by the way, a
very healthy thing.

Speaker 1 (01:05:01):
We know a.

Speaker 9 (01:05:02):
Lot more about them now they're able to share themselves
and their interests more via social media, and so I
think that the way in which things are communicated has
certainly changed the old model that I grew up with
as a fan and as a as a younger journalist,
with newspapers and magazines being predominantly the way that messages
got out, it seems is just it. It's totally different now,

(01:05:24):
and I think it's helping. Uh And and honestly, maybe
back in the day as journalists we weren't necessarily doing
as good of a good enough job of communicating the
player's personalities. But now I think we know a lot
more about them, and I think the managers, their their
status in the game has been usurped a little bit
by the analytics. And and you'll see in some cases

(01:05:47):
I'll say, well, is this the is this the decision
of a of a manager or is this the part
office dictating what move should be made in the seventh inning?
And so I think it's it's become a little bit
more process oriented and and maybe with replay we don't
see quite as many colorful arguments on the field and

(01:06:09):
the way Bobby Cox would always stand up for his
players and those types of moments. I can tell you
one thing. The the interviews and the time that we
get with with managers is different. I go back to
the day and age when Jim Leyland would be in
his in his office day game after night game. He
would he would have slept on his couch and we'd
walk in there at nine thirty and he would be,

(01:06:29):
you know, basically at a pair of pair of basketball
shorts with a with a cigarette that would would just
ask us what we wanted to know. It was not
quite like the corporate backdrop, but everything else, all the
sponsors behind you. There were no sponsors behind Jim Len
We were we were fortunate, if you know, there was
a just if he hadn't finished the scrambled eggs by that.

(01:06:50):
It was like it was a very low key, just
talking ball kind of a thing, and honestly I missed that.
I learned a lot about the game in Jim's milk
Field office. I've got a lot of great memories of
those days.

Speaker 2 (01:07:03):
Well, enjoy the rest of this little week World World Series.
I've been watching some of the interviews that they've been doing.
I saw with Juan Soto, Aaron Judge, some of the
players that are out there, and they got big smiles.
They're enjoying it, no question about that.

Speaker 4 (01:07:17):
JP.

Speaker 2 (01:07:18):
You're the best. Enjoy your time in Williamsport.

Speaker 3 (01:07:20):
We'll talk to you next week.

Speaker 9 (01:07:22):
Thanks Steven Rich really appreciate it, and I will I
will actually tonight, I'm going to be driving right through
Beautiful State College, PA. So I will I will honk
at the Hornburger statue out my way through.

Speaker 4 (01:07:32):
Thank you, JP.

Speaker 2 (01:07:33):
Yes, it was the one that replaced the Paterno statue.
That's unbelievable. They Gret Rich up there, enjoy it, thanks
so much, John Paul Morosi. There heading toward by the way,
if people don't know, that's in the middle of nowhere, right,
Penn State University.

Speaker 1 (01:07:51):
Yeah, oh yeah, yeah. I mean it is surrounded by
a small town that was built because there's a university
that has a successful football program, and then cows for
as far as you can see, just just agricultural land.

Speaker 4 (01:08:08):
It's literally in the middle of nowhere.

Speaker 2 (01:08:11):
Pennsyltucky.

Speaker 1 (01:08:12):
I mean it is, it is. You are stranded. If
you are out there, you are stranded, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:08:18):
Well, and by the way, if I check UCLA scheduled
this year, if I'm correct, they are heading into Happy
Valley this year.

Speaker 1 (01:08:26):
Uh yeah, that's correct. Yeah, u CELA the Bruins. Yeah,
I mean maybe we should have a cheeseburger bet on
that one.

Speaker 3 (01:08:34):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:08:35):
Just a couple of old, big, big tenors.

Speaker 1 (01:08:37):
It's it's wrapping around ore at Beaver Stadium October fifth.

Speaker 4 (01:08:43):
Well, they're lucky, they're lucky.

Speaker 1 (01:08:45):
I mean they drew an early season game and you know, look,
I mean state College Pennsylvania can be.

Speaker 2 (01:08:50):
How devastating would that be for the locals? One hundred
thousand plus packing Beaver Stadium. If UCLA came in there
and got.

Speaker 4 (01:08:59):
The it wouldn't be good. It wouldn't be good.

Speaker 1 (01:09:03):
I think.

Speaker 4 (01:09:03):
I think a lot of people are expecting a w there.

Speaker 1 (01:09:06):
Yeah, you know, it's especially with the changeover with the
UCLA football program. I'm sure expectations for Bruins fans are.

Speaker 2 (01:09:15):
Harry p enemy offensive coordinator's got a secret up his sleep.

Speaker 4 (01:09:19):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (01:09:19):
And his secret is he's got to beg Patrick Mahomes
since he has a little bit more college eligibility to
come back and play a couple of games.

Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
For him, I think he's going to unleash the single
wing and I don't think Ben State's going to be
ready for that. All right, let's find out what is
trending right now. Is Manzi is sitting by. She's wearing
her Chargers calf That's right. Which is a team I
want to talk to you with about with Rich because well,
we'll have an update on the Chargers very shortly.

Speaker 3 (01:09:48):
What's happening out there today.

Speaker 8 (01:09:50):
We know who the Raiders starting quarterback.

Speaker 1 (01:09:53):
Is going to be.

Speaker 3 (01:09:53):
They said they were going to announce it after the
game last night.

Speaker 8 (01:09:56):
Yes, and he actually you know, Antonio Pierce.

Speaker 7 (01:09:59):
The quote was that he was going to sleep on
it and decide in the next coming days.

Speaker 3 (01:10:03):
Neither one of them played very well yesterday.

Speaker 7 (01:10:05):
No, no, but they have decided that Gardner Minshew will
be their starting quarterback.

Speaker 3 (01:10:10):
I am surprised.

Speaker 2 (01:10:11):
I thought the reason I thought Aid and O'Connell is
that Minshew is one of those guys that can come
off the band. He's used to that role right to
sort of make things happen for a team.

Speaker 3 (01:10:23):
So wow, I'm a little bit surprised.

Speaker 8 (01:10:25):
Yeah, and with Minshew, you know what you're getting right.

Speaker 7 (01:10:27):
You thought they would go to see what can Aid
and O'Connell do. No, Gardner Minshew will be the Raiders
starting quarterback. The Minnesota Vikings are signing five time Pro
Bowl cornerback Stefan Gilmour to a one year, ten million
dollar deal. The Bengals announced that they signed kicker Evan
McPherson to a three year contract extension. The NFL Network
reports that Bill's wide receiver Marcus Valdez Scaling suffered a

(01:10:49):
next spring in Saturday's preseason game, but the X rays
were negative. The NFL preseason does continue later today with
the doubleheader Packers taking on the Broncos. Forty nine ers
will be hosting the Saints. Both games will kick off
at eight Eastern. In the NBA, the seventy six ers
are signing Gershan Yabuselei, who was part of the Olympic
French team, to a minimum deal. In baseball, the Mets

(01:11:11):
again they are one game behind Atlanta for the final
Waldard spot in the National League. They are tied with
the Marlins at home to to top of the eighth inning.
Cal Rawley started things off for the Mariners with the
two run shot. They've added some more. They're beating the
Pirates four zero. Bottom of the third. Trey Turner has
homeward for the Phillies. They're beating the Nationals two zero.
They're about to start the fourth inning. They're rays up

(01:11:33):
on the Diamondbacks two zero. They're about to start the
fifth inning. Dodgers and Cardinals are scoreless top of the
second inning. But Freddie Freeman, I don't know if you
guys saw that. Yesterday, he jammed his finger on a
very looked like a normal play.

Speaker 8 (01:11:45):
They took him out of the play.

Speaker 7 (01:11:47):
X rays were negative, but I guess overnight it has
ballooned up once again, So he is going to have
some imaging done. It looks like they're gonna bring back
Max Muncie Sooner to take his spot in Monday's game
at first base.

Speaker 8 (01:12:01):
So Freddie Freeman day to day, No, Beno, I don't.

Speaker 7 (01:12:07):
It's just another injury that the Dodgers have to worry abouts.

Speaker 1 (01:12:11):
I know.

Speaker 7 (01:12:12):
Jess Brewis are being the guardians to zero bottom of
the second inning. And at the FedEx Saint Jude Championship,
fourth and final round, he Decky Matsuyama in the lead,
seventeen under par overall, he is even for the day.

Speaker 8 (01:12:25):
Back to you, guys.

Speaker 1 (01:12:26):
He's on fire.

Speaker 8 (01:12:27):
He is on fire. Nick Dunlap is four shots back.
He's the closest.

Speaker 2 (01:12:32):
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Speaker 3 (01:13:18):
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Speaker 2 (01:13:20):
Want to delve into the current state of the Chargers
and sort of the oh look that I saw in
the face of Jim Harbaugh yesterday after their preseason loss
to the Rams. What's going on with the Bolts? Lay
it out for you. This is Fox Sports.

Speaker 3 (01:13:41):
Sunday, Go Chargas, Go.

Speaker 2 (01:13:44):
Steve Harbin and Rich Harber Here Fox Sports Sunday. We're
live from the tireraq dot Com studios. So last night, Rich,
I had LATV to do, so we had the Rams and.

Speaker 3 (01:13:56):
The Chargers out at so far.

Speaker 2 (01:14:03):
Basically your typical unwatchable preseason game. Thirteen to nine was
the final score. Stetson Bennett actually looked a little bit better.
Easton Stick could not look any worse. Of this guy,
believe it or not.

Speaker 3 (01:14:20):
This is his sixth.

Speaker 2 (01:14:21):
Year in the Chargers organization. He was drafted in twenty nineteen.
You wouldn't know it the way he plays on the field.
But it wasn't the game itself, because again it's preseason football.
It was the demeanor of Jim Harbaugh after the game.
And he didn't look well after their first preseason game,

(01:14:46):
but he looked considerably worse after their second preseason game.
And I think reality is setting in. You just went
from the pinnacle of the college football world, perfect season,
national champions and you left that behind. And by the way,

(01:15:08):
the door was slam shut behind him because obviously, had
he stayed, he wouldn't even be the coach at Michigan
this year. And now he's with the Chargers. And I
said the day I put this out on X, the
day it was official that Jim Harbaugh was going to
be the next coach of the Chargers, is that overcoming

(01:15:29):
the Spanos curse is going to be the greatest challenge
of Jim Harbaugh's coaching career. Rich This is not a
good football team, and what's particularly frustrating for Harbor, and again,
he doesn't have his quarterback, and you know, we're not
quite sure if he's going to be one hundred percent.

Speaker 3 (01:15:47):
For Week one.

Speaker 2 (01:15:49):
They're hoping, obviously they desperately need him out there. They
have a completely depleted receiver corps and just the they're
playing right now, the frustration is building and he's voicing it.
Jim Harbaugh after these games like this is not acceptable, no,

(01:16:10):
which is part of the reason when he decided to
maybe bypass that opportunity to be the honorary captain for
Michigan for their opening game, because he's looking at the
situation he has with the Chargers, He's like, damn, I
got a lot of work to do here.

Speaker 1 (01:16:23):
Well, I think that decision might be twofold. I'm sure
Michigan after the show caused penalty the ban against Jim Harbaugh,
wants to create a little distance between themselves and that
situation right now because it could.

Speaker 4 (01:16:38):
Get worse and then c doublea.

Speaker 1 (01:16:42):
You know, they're you know, they may feel like it's
getting poked in the eye if after giving him a
four year ban from the sport, the Wolverines go and
trot out that coach to be a part of the
opening game ceremonies. So there's that side of it too
with Jim Harbor, though he's got his work cut out
for him. There's no question about it.

Speaker 4 (01:17:03):
If you look at skilled.

Speaker 1 (01:17:05):
Position offensive skilled position players across the NFL. Right now,
the Chargers are in dead last in terms of what
they have left over from last year and what they've
lost and what they've replaced it with this offseason, So
they're behind the eight ball offensively. Defensively, I think the
personnel is pretty good. I think they've got a lot

(01:17:26):
of things to work on this this offseason, this preseason,
I should say, specifically upfront.

Speaker 4 (01:17:33):
On the defensive line.

Speaker 1 (01:17:34):
At the interior defensive line position linebacker is going to
be a little bit of a question mark, but secondary
and pass rusher, they're pretty well set. I'm very curious
what kind of year the Chargers have everybody, but you
know what, everybody who asked me, Steve, I say the
same thing to them. I think they'll be improved from

(01:17:55):
last year, but I don't think that they're going to
be even close to what Harbaugh expected them to be
with as talented as a quarterback, because of the decisions
they've made, the personnel decisions they've made. They shipped off
every single pass catcher that Justin Herbert's been comfortable working
with since he's been in the league.

Speaker 2 (01:18:15):
Base well and again because he's going to get no
preseason reps. Like, you know, you got the kid McConkie, right,
And by the way, you know, everyone's trying to put
together their fantasy football teams. I was talking to Monci
yesterday about and she mentioned mcconkee that he might.

Speaker 3 (01:18:30):
Be a steal.

Speaker 2 (01:18:31):
Somebody's got to catch passes, right, I mean, somebody's got
to be on the receiving end. You figure they're going
to throw the ball, assuming that Justin Herbert is healthy
this year. But look, Jim Harbaugh, I have one hundred
percent faith in Jim Harbaugh that eventually he can get
the job done. But this is a year where he's
going to have to take a hard look at the
personnel he has and who stays and who goes. I mean,

(01:18:53):
you know, I have, you know, a long track record
of understanding how to put together a winning football team,
and I'm gonna, you know, evaluate the talent on this
team saying all right, he stays, he goes, and he
has that luxury. It's very similar to the Sean Payton
situation in Denver, where you've got a lot of power,

(01:19:13):
you're not going anywhere. You can really put the team
together as you want so, I think it's gonna be
a rough year for the Chargers. I don't think it's
gonna be a rough future for the Chargers because I
think Jim Harbaugh eventually can get it done. But just
just to look at his demeanor, because we've been airing
these postgame press conferences, he almost wanted to throw up yesterday,

(01:19:36):
like stick made an unbelievable fumble, you know, inside the
five yard line, and he just was shaking his head
like that can't happen. Yeah, well, that can't happen. He
wasn't gonna say, well, it's a preseason again, No, no.

Speaker 1 (01:19:52):
No, no no. And I think that's that's that is
the the difference between a Jim Harbaugh, maybe a Brandon Staley.
I think that's the difference between a Jim Harbaugh and
an Anthony Lynn. That's the difference between a Jim Harbaugh
and Mike McCoy. You know, that's kind of going back
chronologically who they've had in at head coach since twenty thirteen,

(01:20:17):
I believe was Mike McCoy's first year.

Speaker 2 (01:20:19):
I'll put it this way, he's been more critical of
the players in this team in two preseason games than
those three coaches were for twelve years.

Speaker 4 (01:20:28):
Yeah, I think that sounds about accurate.

Speaker 1 (01:20:30):
The expectations have risen, and especially now with Justin Herbert
potentially spending the first couple of games on the potentially
spending the first couple of games on the sideline. If
this plantar fasciitis isn't right, this could be a lot
more criticism coming for the Chargers.

Speaker 2 (01:20:47):
There are teams in much desperate situation than the Chargers, though,
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next week week zero of the college football season, It'll
be the final week of the NFL preseason and then
a full unleashing of the college football season, in which.

Speaker 3 (01:21:32):
Will be that bye week for the nfls to get ready.

Speaker 2 (01:21:35):
You know, like I said, I'm anxious to get the
NFL season started like everybody else. But I do like
the fact that college football, at least for that first week,
gets one percent of the spotlight because I'm a college
football fan. And of course, rich once again, how many
years have you now been part of the San Diego
State broadcast team?

Speaker 4 (01:21:56):
Coming up on year eight?

Speaker 2 (01:21:58):
Is it you're eight or red?

Speaker 1 (01:22:00):
Yeah? Yeah, it's been a really fun ride. Really excited
for this upcoming season. Brand new head coach Sean Lewis
and a brand new offense, about forty five ish new
players around the team, which hey, look, that's commonplace in
college football now. It doesn't just happen when there's turnover

(01:22:20):
at head coach. You could have teams that have been
sensational performers Alabama, Ohio State. Alabama's bad example, Caln de
Bor taking over this season, but Ohio State coach Day
has a number of new transfers into his program because
every year there's this I don't know if you want

(01:22:42):
to call it musical chairs. I don't know if you
want to call it just sort of a rearranging of
the decks on the boat or the deck.

Speaker 4 (01:22:50):
Chairs on the boat.

Speaker 1 (01:22:51):
But every single year, you're going to see a lot
of player movement in the offseason because of name, image
and likeness money.

Speaker 2 (01:22:58):
Speaking of San Diego State, watching some of that Chiefs
Alliance preseason game and to see Matt Riza in that
Chief's uniform, the former San Diego State superstar punter who
went through some legal difficulties that turned out to be
not what they were originally said to have been, at
least according to the official report. But we interviewed Matt

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a number of times during his spectacular junior season, his
final year there at San Diego State, winner the Ray
Guy Awards, setting the all time record for punting average.
And now he's going to get that opportunity with the Chiefs.
That's not a bad place to.

Speaker 4 (01:23:33):
Be, No, not a bad place to be.

Speaker 1 (01:23:35):
He could go from obviously a very desperate and bleak
situation tied to that lawsuit and an investigation to a
Super Bowl champion, which would be an unbelievable turnaround considering
I'm fairly certain for a time there, Matt Riza didn't
know if he'd ever played football again. So yeah, it's

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going to be one of the lower on the totem
Poles stories season for Kansas City fans, but it's definitely
one looking into if you're a fan of that team,
because the fact that he's playing football right now is
stunning because you know, like like we know, there are
predatory people out there who will say a lot of

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things that aren't true to get you in trouble.

Speaker 4 (01:24:18):
And I think that's what he got wrapped up in.

Speaker 2 (01:24:21):
Yeah, And the bottom line is, if afforded the opportunity,
talent always wins out. And if you've never seen Matt
riise a kick of football.

Speaker 3 (01:24:30):
Wow, I mean it was. We literally remind blowing.

Speaker 4 (01:24:35):
Referred to him as punt God.

Speaker 2 (01:24:37):
Hunt God and on a great San Diego State team
that year, his coach Brady Hook admitted he is by
far our most valuable player.

Speaker 3 (01:24:46):
You don't often hear that about a punter.

Speaker 2 (01:24:50):
By the way, speaking of preseason football and the Chiefs,
once again, we always see Mahomes in the preseason.

Speaker 3 (01:25:00):
He had the behind the back pass there Travis Kelcey.

Speaker 2 (01:25:03):
And the yeah, and then they're having fun and he
wants to play in the preseason. He always sees action
in the preseason. He prefers it that way. I'm sure
everyone involved with the Chiefs organization holds their breath because
you never know. I mean, look what happened with JJ
McCarthy and the Vikings. So he plays in that first

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game against the Raiders. There wasn't any big hits, there
was nothing. It was just, you know, he was out
on the field, and then after the game he complained
about some soreness in his knee. All right, so he's
a little sore. You know, you're out in the football field.
Tormaniscus out for the year.

Speaker 1 (01:25:40):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:25:41):
And it was a big hit.

Speaker 4 (01:25:43):
It wasn't.

Speaker 2 (01:25:44):
There was no sign of when or how that injury
actually occurred.

Speaker 3 (01:25:50):
Here's what we do know.

Speaker 2 (01:25:51):
It occurred in a game that did not matter. So
this really gets back to that balancing act of what
do you do in the reseason? How much prep do
you need for the regular season. It seems to be
so so scripted.

Speaker 3 (01:26:07):
Even back in your day. You know how this all worked.

Speaker 2 (01:26:09):
You had a four game preseason back in the day,
and it was the dress rehearsal game was the third game.
So the dress rehearsal, your your number one guys may
play at least half right, that was sort of the idea.
And then of course everybody would take off the fourth week,
and then all those games will be over Thursday or Friday,
so you get an extra day or two to get

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ready for the start of the regular season. Now, of
course we had the bye week, But I just keep
getting back to the fact that what you know good
versus bad. Give me the positives of playing preseason games
as opposed to the negatives. What positives come out of

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a preseason game.

Speaker 1 (01:26:52):
Positives that can come out of a preseason game is
and you'll hear athletes talk about this, or it should
say football players specifically, you've got to knock the rust
off the pads, like when you don't hit anybody in
live game action for a long period of time. Obviously

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wherever your team bows out January, you know, potentially February
if you're so lucky. But eventually your season ends and
then you enter the offseason, and then it's a long
time before you're you're able to in a game environment
hit somebody on an opposing team. OTA's obviously you get

(01:27:33):
a little bit of helmet cracking, training camp a little
bit more and join practices. Obviously, avail on opportunity for
teams to go you know, live or as close to
live as possible against opponents on a practice field. But
there is something very different from a practice field to
a game field. When you are prepping in the bowels

(01:27:54):
of a stadium, getting yourself ready for you know, three
hours of fury, and then take the field in front
of fans, it's a very different feeling than it is
at practice.

Speaker 4 (01:28:05):
And so you need to get the rust off the pads.

Speaker 1 (01:28:08):
You need to have a little contact on a field
on a stadium with the lights on, with a with
a crowd behind you to get some of those you know,
jitters out. And I don't mean like literally knocking the
rust off the pads, and I don't I'm not even
specifically just talking about needing to have the contact, because
clearly you're getting plenty of contact during training camp. What

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I'm specifically talking about is is the mental hurdle of
going from not playing in front of fans, not playing
in stadiums during the whole offseason into then starting your
regular season. It's lower or higher for every individual, but
it's always there for everybody. And you got to get

(01:28:51):
that first hit out of the way. You got to
get that first tackle out of the way, You got
to get that first block out of way, you got
to get that first throw out of the way. You know,
you got to be chased out of the pocket a
little bit and improvise on your feet. It's almost like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah,
I remember this, this is what I do. And that's
the reason why, or a reason why I think the
preseason is still important that has value.

Speaker 2 (01:29:12):
Well, that's again in twenty twenty because of COVID, there
was no preseason and that season went pretty well.

Speaker 3 (01:29:20):
Yeah, and so I.

Speaker 2 (01:29:22):
Think eventually, once we do get to the eighteen game schedule,
a twenty week season, preseason football will disappear.

Speaker 1 (01:29:29):
Now and the negatives to preseason there are plenty. We
can talk about those for a moment too. Look, if
nobody had a preseason, you wouldn't notice any major dropoff
team to team. That's the truth. That is the truth, because,
like you said, COVID, if it proved nothing else, it
proved that there. The preseason is really kind of vestigial.
We don't really need it anymore. It's just sort of

(01:29:50):
a byproduct of yesteryear. But but there are some major
negatives that can occur injury is the biggest one. But
aside from like, sometimes confidence can be shaken during the preseason.
You could have a player who, if you would have
just gotten out there under the stadium lights, would have
had a very different looking season if he was thrust

(01:30:11):
into regular season action, but because he had a wonky
or wobbly preseason, can I stop you right there?

Speaker 4 (01:30:20):
Change the trajectory.

Speaker 2 (01:30:21):
This lays me right into my next conversation. Yep, Daniel Jones.

Speaker 4 (01:30:25):
Okay, yeah, perfect, perfect.

Speaker 2 (01:30:28):
So yesterday, Daniel Jones returns coming off the injury, and
he threw a pass yesterday that can only be described
as as bad as it gets. Okay, we're talking about
a veteran quarterback that you're paying what is it, forty
million dollars a year or two. He's getting tackled, literally

(01:30:50):
wrapped up, tackled in the end zone.

Speaker 3 (01:30:54):
He's going down.

Speaker 2 (01:30:56):
He looks up, and he decides to throw the ball,
which he does directly to a defender.

Speaker 3 (01:31:04):
Who walks into the end zone for the pick six.

Speaker 2 (01:31:06):
Now, if this was a rookie, you know, like a
panicky rookie, you'd say, Okay. The funny thing is, if
you watch this play after he lets go of the ball.
As he's going down on his back, he puts his
hands on both sides of his helmet, like what did
I just do? But if you're a New York Giants fan,

(01:31:27):
Barkley's gone. You know this is a new look Giants team.
You know if this season is going to have any
value at all, it all depends on the performance of
your quarterback, Daniel Jones. And by the way, after that
play yesterday, talking to Adam Kaplan, I said, is Tommy
Devigo stop right there?

Speaker 3 (01:31:44):
No, boy, Tommy DeVito.

Speaker 2 (01:31:48):
Has zero chance of being the starting quarterback of this team.
The fact is John Marra, the owner, loves Daniel Jones.
These are the words of Adam Kaplan. I'm like, okay,
he may love him, but not after play like that.
And so you're talking about the fact that you can
tear down not just the confidence in a player, but

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if it's a quarterback, it's the confidence of the team.
If their eyewitness like this is our guy, this is
who we're going with, it doesn't really give you an
air of confidence. As he gets ready for the start
of the regular season was to me, it was a
catastrophe yesterday. What happened to the New York Giants and
Daniel Jones as they get ready to hopefully have a

(01:32:33):
bounce back year after last year's disaster.

Speaker 1 (01:32:37):
I look at Daniel Jones as being one of those
guys who may never be the same player again. He's
I feel like last season especially rattled his confidence to
a level that is reminiscent of Carson Wentz, who went
from a starter with a bright future to a player

(01:32:59):
who really never resembled himself after that knee injury and
after Nick Foles took over the Philadelphia Eagles in his stead.
I think that there was a lot of hope after
that first year with Brian Daball as a head coach
and a healthy Saquon Barkley, and I think when more
of the offense relied on Daniel Jones being the guy

(01:33:21):
in that second year last year with Brian Daball as
the head coach, the wheels came off and the pressure mounted,
And obviously there were injury situations as well, and Tommy
DeVito had to go in there, and that offensive line
was a problem virtually all season long. But man, oh man,
I don't know how he pulls through this year and

(01:33:44):
has success. If he does it's because he has a
fortitude that we maybe are under appraising right now because
I don't know if it's possible, and I truly don't
think it's going to be a good year for the Giants.
I truly think that the Giants are going to be
one of these teams, especially when you look around the
competition which has risen in the NFC East. The Philadelphia Eagles,

(01:34:08):
impossible for them to be as bad to start the
season as they finished the season this year. The Dallas
Cowboys didn't add much, but they didn't lose much either,
And assuming they have their full complement of players, because
there's a bunch of contract situations going on all at
once with the Cowboys, they're gonna be good again. That's
a double digit win team. And then the Commanders. The Commanders,

(01:34:31):
their biggest question mark was quarterback and they may have
solved it with Jaden Daniels and Dan Quinn is a
heck of a coach. So I think you look around
that division and that's six games against heightened competition and
it's not going to be an easy road for a
team that really this offseason lost inarguably their best player,

(01:34:53):
and I mean had one of the quieter offseasons of
any team in the NFL. What did the Giants do
to improve their lot? Not a whole lot. They tried
to replace Daniel Jones, by the way this offseason. We
saw that during the OTA's Hard Knocks that came out
on HBO, Daniel Jones had to answer questions about that.
So after a confidence rattling season, he has his confidence

(01:35:18):
rattled continuously during the offseason. I think this is gonna
be a tough year for the Giants.

Speaker 3 (01:35:22):
I'll put it this way, and I want to talk
about this.

Speaker 2 (01:35:25):
On the other side, the odds are out updated odds
for NFL MVP this season. I have over one hundred
names on this list. Daniel Jones is not one of them.
I mean, if you really want some long odds, pick
Daniel Jones to be your league MVP. Speaking of MVP,
who will be the number one guy in the NFL

(01:35:46):
this season?

Speaker 3 (01:35:46):
We're going to take a look at some of these
odds who.

Speaker 2 (01:35:48):
May be a little underrated, who may be a little
overrated in terms of what they'll actually do in twenty
twenty four. This is Fox Sports Sunday, Steve Harvin and
Rich Harberger. Fox Sports Sunday Live from the tire rack
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when we actually get to regular season NFL football, this

(01:36:10):
show transforms into Red Zone Radio.

Speaker 3 (01:36:14):
And if you.

Speaker 2 (01:36:16):
Haven't heard this show before, and we have our veteran
crew here with Montse and Bo and Chris, we will
be on the air usually anywhere from seven to ten
games kicking off simultaneously. And if you're out and about
and you're trying to figure out what's going on with
these games, no problem. We'll have everything covered for you well, scores,

(01:36:37):
stats and everything else.

Speaker 10 (01:36:38):
Yes, Chris, if I may wait, way in Rich Steve, Yes, football, Yes,
thank you, thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:36:46):
Well it is it is crazy. I mean it's it's frantic.

Speaker 2 (01:36:51):
And believe us, we love every single second and one
more word football football.

Speaker 1 (01:36:58):
Done done there it is Play the Horns. I am mellet,
the fresh cut grass.

Speaker 2 (01:37:06):
I'm always I'm always excited for NFL. But this college
football season is gonna.

Speaker 1 (01:37:11):
Be It's gonna be different.

Speaker 3 (01:37:13):
I'm very very different.

Speaker 2 (01:37:15):
And again it gets started next week week zero, that
Florida State Georgia Tech game starting nine o'clock, I believe
on the West coast, and that will kick it off.

Speaker 10 (01:37:26):
In Dublin, Ireland, so different. Pointing out to Rich in
the break and I think I pointed out to you
before the show, Steve that, and I think this is
news to a lot of us here in the studio
that SMU is now in the Atlantic Coast Conference.

Speaker 2 (01:37:39):
Yes, yes, and of course we've got Stanford and Cal
in the ACC.

Speaker 10 (01:37:45):
Yeah, but we kind of knew that, Yes, I didn't
realize SMU was anywhere.

Speaker 3 (01:37:49):
Yeah, SMU.

Speaker 2 (01:37:50):
You know what, as you guys know, I'm dear friends
with what the greatest SMU player ever, in my opinion,
Eric Dickerson. And it's been quite an odyssey ever since
the death penalty in the late eighties for that school.
So yeah, you may have to you may need a
menu to sort of figure out what's on the menu
is in terms of which school is where you might
be surprised.

Speaker 3 (01:38:10):
Maybe you haven't kept up today.

Speaker 2 (01:38:11):
But we'll figure that all out with the start of
the college football season, all right. By the way, Chris,
I'm glad you mentioned something about football.

Speaker 3 (01:38:19):
I got news for you football.

Speaker 2 (01:38:23):
I am looking right now at Vegas Insider dot com.
Rich and I have been watching this for years because
what they do is it's a consensus of all the
different odds being posted out of Vegas, so they do
sort of a consensus. And one of the very popular
prop bets is NFL MVP your quarterback, Chris of your team,

(01:38:48):
the Detroit Lions, Jared Goff, coming off a season where
he nearly led the Lions to the Super Bowl, is
plus five thousand this year for NFL MVP.

Speaker 3 (01:39:02):
You know who else is at plus five thousand?

Speaker 10 (01:39:05):
Justin fields interesting as Martin Weiss I believe had the
argument the other week, good value on Jared Goff because
you got to imagine if the Lions do win this division,
a division where everyone is getting gassed up over Caleb
Williams and the Chicago Bears and Jordan Love and the
Green Bay Packers, if the Lions go out there and

(01:39:28):
post like thirteen wins and take the division by storm again,
and a lot of that is because of the arm
of Jared Goff. If Goff is winning you football games,
you might be able to and again at five thousand,
why not just throw a tenor on it. Well, I
will put it this way, if I were to compare
if Jared Goff would win MVP, it would be very

(01:39:53):
similar to another quarterback who over the last ten years,
the longest odds a player to actually win the MVP
Award plus seventy five hundred for Matt Ryan and Atlanta
back in twenty sixteen. Matt Ryan just had that one
year in his career where he was always a solid quarterback,

(01:40:15):
but he just elevated his game that one year, almost
winning the Super Bowl.

Speaker 2 (01:40:19):
Obviously greatest Super Bowl collapse of all time. But Matt
Ryan got the MVP at plus seventy five hundred.

Speaker 3 (01:40:25):
So Rich, I want to.

Speaker 2 (01:40:26):
Give you the updated odds right now, yep, in terms
of winning the MVP Award, and certainly the no surprise
at the top is Patrick Mahomes, So no argument there.
Number two on the list to be the MVP according
to the odds makers right now Josh Allen. Right, is

(01:40:50):
Josh Allen still there in terms of conversation? And by
the way, the first seventeen names on this list all quarterbacks.
So there's no Christian McCaffrey, there's no Tyreek Gill, there's
none of that. There's all quarterbacks.

Speaker 1 (01:41:05):
Yah. Look, Josh Allen has the goods. Josh Allen is.

Speaker 3 (01:41:08):
Josh Allen the second best quarterback in this league.

Speaker 1 (01:41:11):
In my opinion, he and Burrow and Jackson are kind
of interchangeable as the second best in the league. You know,
Burrow health dependent obviously, because the years that he's been
healthy for the Cincinnati Bengals, he either competed in an
AFC Championship game or competed in a Super Bowl. The

(01:41:33):
years that he's unhealthy obviously very different for the Bengals.
So he absolutely needs to be in that conversation for
the second overall spot. Lamar Jackson, coming off his second
MVP season, has to be in that conversation, but so
is Josh Allen. Josh Allen is an incredible force to
have to deal with a lot of people. Forget now,

(01:41:54):
but when Ben Roethlisberger first got into the NFL, he
was a matchup nightmare because when he escaped the pocket,
he was so big that he was he was hard
to get on the ground. So you would have to
oftentimes see you know, zone linebackers or even you know,
man players drop out of coverage to try to help

(01:42:16):
bring him to the ground, and that would open up
obviously underneath routes and the Steelers would feast and the
same as happening with Josh Allen. Ben Roethlisberger in the
pocket very difficult to bring down, so as time elapsed
and you had a potential sack or fumble situation on
your hands. Against most teams, against the Pittsburgh Steelers, he

(01:42:38):
had a quarterback who could stand tall in the pocket,
even with people around his lower body, and deliver strikes.
Josh Allen's that kind of player and then also throw
on top of it that once Josh Allen decides to
run the football, he's actually better athlete. He's bigger and
stronger than big Ben ever was. So not only is
he a capable pocket passer, but he's also and I

(01:43:01):
mean any throw on the field, he's also the type
of quarterback who can devastate you with his legs. And
so if it turns into a hey, we're gonna commit
to the ground and we're gonna wear down this defense
and we're gonna control the clock, Josh Allen can play
that game. If it's a shootout, Josh Allen can play
that game. So it doesn't shock me that he has

(01:43:23):
high odds in terms of winning a Most Valuable Player.

Speaker 2 (01:43:26):
All right, right now, I will tell you this Mahomes
is one, Josh Allen is two, Joe Burrow is three,
and Lamar Jackson is.

Speaker 3 (01:43:39):
Five. So who's number four?

Speaker 2 (01:43:42):
We're gonna tell you, And then I'm gonna give you
one player that is way overrated on these rating on
these odds, and a few quarterbacks that are a little
bit low for my taste. But first let's find out
what is trending right now. She is a unanimous envy
week after week after week.

Speaker 3 (01:44:02):
The accolades continue to pour in. For the one and only.

Speaker 8 (01:44:06):
Months to stop it.

Speaker 7 (01:44:08):
I do think that shohe O Taani maybe unanimous MVP.

Speaker 8 (01:44:12):
Make it thirty nine home runs.

Speaker 2 (01:44:14):
For wow, Oh he just hit another one, another one,
so he is. He will be the sixth forty forty guy.
There has never been a fifty to fifty guy. And
before today he was on pace for forty nine home
runs and forty eight stolen base.

Speaker 8 (01:44:30):
Yeah, he could be the first Dodger to hit fifty
homers in a season. Yes, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:44:34):
Sean Green, of all people holds the singles season home
run record for the Dodgers, and no one would know that.

Speaker 7 (01:44:41):
No, no, but but bow and I learned that recently,
talked about that.

Speaker 2 (01:44:45):
Yeah, you know, you know, are you familiar with Sean Green,
who also had four home runs in a single game,
by the way.

Speaker 11 (01:44:51):
Yeah, familiar with But would you have.

Speaker 3 (01:44:53):
Guessed him as the all time season Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:44:55):
I mean that's one of those weird Dodger factoids that
I do know.

Speaker 2 (01:44:58):
But yeah, yeah, there it is.

Speaker 7 (01:45:00):
Yeah, Sean Sean Green exactly forgot yes, Britain, Yeah that's true.

Speaker 1 (01:45:07):
Was he with the Jets for a little bit there?

Speaker 3 (01:45:09):
Yes, exactly, that was H S H O N N
Shawn Green.

Speaker 1 (01:45:14):
I can't believe he played both sports.

Speaker 8 (01:45:16):
That's crazy. Same some people are just talented.

Speaker 2 (01:45:18):
It a.

Speaker 8 (01:45:21):
Dodgers and beating the.

Speaker 7 (01:45:22):
Cardinals two zero, bottom of the fifth inning. The Twins
have added another run, so they're blanking the Rangers four
zero bottom of the third. Blue Jays with the one
zero lead over the Cubs. Top of the fifth. The
Brewers are beating the Guardians at home to zero bottom
of the sixth.

Speaker 8 (01:45:38):
About to start.

Speaker 7 (01:45:39):
Astros on the scoreboard first against the White Sox one
zero bottom of the sixth inning. Royals beating the Reds
to zero bottom of the fourth. The Diamondbacks are on
the scoreboard, but it's still all raised six to one
top of the seventh Brandon Marsh has just hit a
solo shot, tying the game for the Phillies against the Nationals.

Speaker 8 (01:45:57):
It's four to four.

Speaker 7 (01:45:58):
They're about to start the seventh inning. The Pirates are
officially on the scoreboard, but it's still the Mariners on top.

Speaker 8 (01:46:03):
Eight to two.

Speaker 7 (01:46:04):
Bottom of the sixth inning, and the Oriols have added
some more runs Atlie Richman with the homer Gunner Henderson
with the two run shot. They're beating the Red Sox
four zero bottom of the seventh inning, and the Mets
officially lost at.

Speaker 8 (01:46:16):
Home to the Marlins three to two.

Speaker 7 (01:46:17):
So now New York is one and a half games
behind Atlanta for the final walkhard spot in the National League.
In the NFL, preseason action does continue today with the
double header Packers taking on the Broncos forty nine Ers
hosting the Saints.

Speaker 8 (01:46:29):
Both games are going to kick off at eight Eastern.

Speaker 7 (01:46:31):
The Raiders know who's going to be their starting quarterback
for Week one against the Chargers. Antonio Pierce has named
Gardner Minshew their starting quarterback. The Vikings are signing five
time Pro Bowl cornerback Stefan Gilmour to a one year
ten million dollar deal and he Deki Matsuyama is still
in the lead at the FedEx Saint Jude Championship, but
now he's eighteen under par overall. Nick Dunlap five shots back,

(01:46:54):
Bick to you guys.

Speaker 2 (01:46:55):
Very busy day, Mite. Are you ready for week one?
I remember your very first Oh.

Speaker 8 (01:47:00):
Yeah, what yes, I mean, I'm still we got.

Speaker 3 (01:47:04):
We got to that first break.

Speaker 2 (01:47:06):
I remember that, and quick your head was like spitting around.

Speaker 8 (01:47:11):
I'm good. I thought this was fine. I think I
think I'm good.

Speaker 3 (01:47:14):
But now you got it down. See is slow things
down a little bit?

Speaker 2 (01:47:18):
You know, you're scrambling when ten games kick off simultaneously.

Speaker 3 (01:47:21):
Yeah, and then you learn to slow it down.

Speaker 8 (01:47:24):
Sure, and then you just learned that there's you know what,
you just do your best, do your best, exactly your best.
You know, games going on. Kaitlyn Clark just took a three.

Speaker 7 (01:47:32):
Yes, so the Indiana fever just started against the Seattle
storm that just.

Speaker 8 (01:47:36):
Started that game.

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Speaker 1 (01:48:18):
All right.

Speaker 2 (01:48:18):
So we're looking at odds right now for NFL MVP.
So I mentioned Mahomes is number one, Josh Allen two,
Burrow is three, Lamar Jackson is five.

Speaker 3 (01:48:33):
So who is c J.

Speaker 2 (01:48:36):
Stroud Gardner? Minshew is not, but CJ. Stroud is. Okay,
let's stop right there. Ce J. Stroud. So he had
one of the most remarkable rookie seasons ever for an
NFL quarterback.

Speaker 1 (01:48:53):
I would have said Flacco, but just I've won.

Speaker 3 (01:48:57):
Also, well wait till you hear number six. Get to
that in a second.

Speaker 2 (01:49:01):
But back, I mean, is it realistic to believe that CJ.
Stroud will have a better season his second year than
he had as a rookie?

Speaker 1 (01:49:13):
Is it conceivable? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:49:15):
Is it probable?

Speaker 2 (01:49:16):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:49:16):
No, it's a tougher schedule. Let's start there. The Texans
were a bad football team. That's why they were picking
so high in the draft, and as a result, they
played a weaker schedule and they had benefited from it,
and they really kind of needed to because if he
was going to have the type of season he ended

(01:49:38):
up having, especially with some of the injuries that they
were dealing with during the course of that season, that
they could not have played against the class of the
NFL and had nearly the type of success that they enjoyed.
It just would not have happened. Better teams will beat
you when you're suffering injuries and you have liabilities on

(01:49:58):
your roster, and the text and has had many However,
I will say this, his superlative play was the reason
why the Texans had the type of season they had.
This has nothing to do with Demico Ryans. This has
nothing to do with the talent they had at receiver,
which you know emerged as one of the better groups

(01:50:19):
or more reliable groups, certainly toward the end of the season,
but was kind of a you know, a who's who
to start the year. This is this is going to
be a tough act to follow. And I'm talking about
his act and his following of his act because rookie
seasons are special.

Speaker 4 (01:50:37):
There's there's something.

Speaker 1 (01:50:40):
Kind of almost adorable about how little a rookie player knows.
You know, there's you play at the college level and
you think you got the world figured out, and then
you go to the NFL and you're like, oh my gosh,
I know nothing. These guys are so much better, faster,
smarter than anybody I played against at the collegiate life.

(01:51:00):
The coaches are smarter, have more time to spend on
game planning as opposed to having to hit the recruiting
trail not only now during the offseason, but during the
season as well, with the transfer portal being as open
at it as it is, so there's more time for
game planning against specific things that teams do. Yeah, to

(01:51:21):
answer your question, or circle back to the original question, Steve,
it's going to be very difficult for him to have
as good of a season in year two.

Speaker 2 (01:51:28):
I agree with you that, So I would say Straud
is a little overrated to be listed ahead of Lamar
Jackson for MVP this year.

Speaker 3 (01:51:36):
All right, so here's the guessing game.

Speaker 2 (01:51:38):
So you figured out Stroud at number four, so let
me remind you again.

Speaker 3 (01:51:42):
You got Mahomes one, Josh Allen.

Speaker 2 (01:51:44):
Two Burrow, three Stroud, four, Lamar Jackson, five, at seven
Jordan Love. And then there's a three way tie at
eight Brock Purty, Jalen her Hurts and Dak Prescott who's

(01:52:04):
number six? So again, Mahomes, Josh Allen, Burrows, Stroud, Jackson.
Those are the top five and then seven, eight nine
is Jordan Love, Brock Party, Jalen Hurts, and Dak Prescott.

Speaker 3 (01:52:17):
Who's six?

Speaker 1 (01:52:18):
Is it Jared Goff?

Speaker 2 (01:52:20):
It is not Jared Goff.

Speaker 1 (01:52:22):
Huh wow, Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 3 (01:52:25):
It's not Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 1 (01:52:27):
Wow?

Speaker 2 (01:52:27):
Yeah, Okay, this is why, this is why I'm telling
you it's not Aaron Rodgers and it's not Jared Goff.

Speaker 1 (01:52:34):
Geez, well, I mean I would I'm I hesitate before
I say the name, but all of a sudden it's
kind of a toss up between Tua and Jalen Hurts.

Speaker 4 (01:52:44):
I'm gonna go with Tua.

Speaker 2 (01:52:45):
It's Jalen Hurts. By I mentioned Jalen Hurts, He's type
for eight with Brock. It's not Tua. In fact, Tua
is tied with Rogers.

Speaker 3 (01:52:56):
It is still not.

Speaker 1 (01:52:58):
Yeah, all right, well that crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:53:01):
It's not And it's not Daniel Jones.

Speaker 1 (01:53:04):
Okay, all right, Justin Herbert he's got to be lowered
down the list because of the injury.

Speaker 2 (01:53:09):
Now it is Justin Herbert. Wow, So you're telling me
that Justin Herbert has better odds of being MVP than
Jordan Love, Brock, Purty, Jalen Hurts, and Dak Prescott. Not
to mention Aaron Rodgers, Matthew Stafford to a tongue, bye
looa or Trevor Lawrence.

Speaker 1 (01:53:26):
Yeah, I got it.

Speaker 2 (01:53:26):
I mean, how is Justin Herbert's name listed ahead of
those quarterbacks?

Speaker 4 (01:53:31):
Well, here's here's the thing, and.

Speaker 3 (01:53:33):
This is the Jim Harbaugh hype.

Speaker 1 (01:53:35):
Well it is, and and also it's better hype. You know,
Think about how many professional betters there are out there,
very few. Think about how many Novice. Hey, I got
some money. I'm in Vegas for this concert. I'm gonna
go to a sports book the day before, and I'm
gonna throw money down on a futures bet in the NFL. Well,

(01:53:58):
all of a sudden, you're looking at the odds. You
don't want to pick a favorite, because that's no fun.
You want to pick somebody with some longer odds. So
you start going through the names of the longer odds
players and you start losing faith pretty quick. But like
you just said, new culture, new head coach, obviously an
offensive focused head coach, even though he's more focused on

(01:54:20):
you know, the run game in the.

Speaker 4 (01:54:21):
Play action game.

Speaker 3 (01:54:22):
Nobody to throw the ball to.

Speaker 4 (01:54:24):
I get it, But I'm saying this is this is
better hype.

Speaker 2 (01:54:28):
But really, I mean, you have Jordan Love coming up
that incredible year he had ye, you have Dak Prescott
coming up here where he was runner up for MVP.
You have brock Perty, you have Jalen Hurts. All those
guys are listed after Justin Herbert. I mean, I must
be money pouring in on can body you can?

Speaker 9 (01:54:48):
I can?

Speaker 11 (01:54:49):
I just say, like as not even trying to be
a homer. I think Jalen Hurts is way too low
on this list.

Speaker 2 (01:54:54):
Well, I agree with.

Speaker 3 (01:54:57):
Ahead of Justin Herbert.

Speaker 11 (01:54:58):
Yeah, that's ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (01:54:59):
It's took a long time for me to arrive at
Justin Herbert's name, and I agree with you.

Speaker 2 (01:55:04):
I mean, would you listen Aaron Rodgers as a better
odds to be MVP than Justin Herbert this year?

Speaker 4 (01:55:09):
I mean right now?

Speaker 1 (01:55:11):
Knowing, let's put it this way, if we were doing
this show from Nevada, my next stop would be a
sportsbook to put some money on Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 3 (01:55:20):
Would you bet on brock Purty or Justin Herbert?

Speaker 4 (01:55:22):
I would bet on brock Purty.

Speaker 3 (01:55:24):
Would you bet on Jordan Love or Justin Herbert?

Speaker 1 (01:55:27):
I would say that's where the rubber starts, meaning the
road for me. But I would my lean would be Jordan.

Speaker 3 (01:55:33):
Love, Jalen Hurts, or Justin Herbert.

Speaker 4 (01:55:37):
Again another close call.

Speaker 3 (01:55:38):
Dak Prescott, just wait, I'm looking down this list.

Speaker 4 (01:55:42):
I mean, I mean yeah, I mean, I'm with you.

Speaker 1 (01:55:44):
I think this got bet up by novice vetters. That's
the reason why the odds had to be improved, the
longer odds. I mean, look, I let's let's face it.
You know, Aaron Rodgers is one of those guys who
people just don't want to put their money behind, even
though he's one of the most talented quarterbacks on this
list altogether.

Speaker 2 (01:56:03):
All right, I have one more name on the other side.
I want to get to really curious of what kind
of season you think he will have. We'll have that
coming up. This is Fox Sports Sunday, Steve Harvey, Rich Romberger,
Fox Sports Sunday Live from the Tyraq dot Com studios.
So we've been looking at some NFL MVP odds going
into the season. So after Dak Prescott, as we are

(01:56:29):
still stunned that Justin Herbert is listed ahead of Jordan Love,
Brock Party, Jalen Hurts, and Dak Prescott, you have Matthew Stafford,
Aaron Rodgers two, a tongue of Bye, Lloyd, Trevor Lawrence,
Anthony Richardson, Kirk Cousins, Justin Fields, Jared Goff, Kyler, Murray
Baker Mayfield, and at the bottom of the list of
these quarterbacks.

Speaker 3 (01:56:50):
Deshaun Watson. All right, boy, you talk about.

Speaker 2 (01:56:57):
A weird situation, right, So he goes down, they take
Joe Flacco literally off the couch, and he leads them
to the playoffs. Stefanski is Coach of the Year, Flacco
is Comeback Player of the Year, Garrett is defensive player,
of the Year. The Browns are cleaning up the awards,

(01:57:17):
and now Deshaun Watson is back.

Speaker 3 (01:57:21):
As the quarterback of a playoff team.

Speaker 2 (01:57:26):
I mean, he's just the odyssey of Deshaun Watson to
this point, I have no feel, if you were to
I'm answering my own question. No, I literally have zero
feel for what kind of season.

Speaker 3 (01:57:42):
It's going to be for Deshaun Watson.

Speaker 4 (01:57:43):
Oh yeah, I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:57:46):
I don't have any vision.

Speaker 2 (01:57:47):
You normally, whether you're right or wrong, at least you
have a vision, right, Oh yeah, he's going to be
better or he's worse, And you know, most of the
time I'm wrong, But at least I have a thought, like, Okay,
I can vision what this guy's going to be this year. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I have no vision for Deshaun Watson.

Speaker 4 (01:58:04):
I'll give you a vision, and I give me.

Speaker 3 (01:58:06):
A vision because I need something with him right now.

Speaker 1 (01:58:08):
All right. This is what this is what I think
that the Browns have done in reaction to what it's
been with Deshaun Watson. They they've they've created a kind
of almost like a refrigerator full of things that you
like when you're hungry, you know, how like your mom

(01:58:29):
says to you when you're a kid, Hey, I just
went to the store. So when you get home from school,
help yourself. It's gonna be a late night at work.
And you're like, oh, yes, and you're excited because you know,
when you get home from school, you're hungry, and so
you're thinking about, man, we're gonna have some pizza bites
in the freezer, and we're gonna have some of those
you know, some of those some of those those those

(01:58:51):
peanut butter bars in the fridge that I'm excited to.
And then you open up the refrigerator and it's well stocked.
But you're like, ah, do I want Deshaun Watson? Nah,
it's weird every time it's But do I want Dorian
Thompson Robinson. I mean it's healthy, but I'm not really
in the mood for that. Oh, Jameis Winson, you know what?

(01:59:14):
That was cool when I was like in eighth grade,
but I'm not like. So the Browns their problem is
they had to fill up that quarterback room with players
who you've seen, who you know, who you can kind
of trust at the NFL level, and it's because Deshaun
Watson's fragile Steve like, we're not going to get a

(01:59:36):
full seat. Just get out of your head. We are
not going to get a full season of Deshaun Watson.
So in terms of MVP voting or list or long odds,
et cetera, the Browns may be a great team this season,
I don't think it's gonna have a lot to do
with DeShawn.

Speaker 3 (01:59:52):
All Right, So you're not banking.

Speaker 2 (01:59:53):
You're not making bets on Deshaun Watson to be the
League's Most Valuable Player.

Speaker 1 (01:59:57):
No, Deshaun Watson has looked like an MVP since he
was in Houston, and that was now over a half
decade ago.

Speaker 2 (02:00:07):
By the way, you can get the same odds for
Christian McCaffrey to be MVP with Will Levis. Okay, wow,
so they're they're they're considered equal in terms of the
odds to be the league's most Valuable Player Christian McCaffrey
and Will Levis.

Speaker 1 (02:00:27):
Yeah. I would almost sooner put my money on Will
Levis than I would Deshaun Watson.

Speaker 3 (02:00:33):
Yeah. By the way, at the very bottom of.

Speaker 2 (02:00:35):
The Selissa Russell Wilson, Okay, very very bottom, miss all Right,
we had a question yesterday that just blew up that
I'm going to ask you on the other side. It's
going to be a surprise. Rich, this is Fox Sports Sunday. Well, well,
only a few weeks away, folks, the start of the
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Are you sure you're ready for this?

Speaker 4 (02:01:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (02:01:48):
I mean, I guess, I don't know, Probably not no, No,
I'm not, definitely not I'm regretting at all. Oh got it?

Speaker 3 (02:01:54):
Well, good luck to you, better better you than me.

Speaker 2 (02:01:57):
All right, So I want to get off base for
a little bit here because this was something that started yesterday. Moncie,
I'm gonna open up Monsey's micaus. This was something we
talked about yesterday Bo and Chris as well. So apparently
Moncey and Dan Bayer had it out.

Speaker 3 (02:02:16):
Yeah, and this happens, you know, they speak to each other.

Speaker 2 (02:02:19):
Well, I understand we are one huge family here at
Fox Sports Radio. They're no strangers in this building to
say the least. But like any family, we're gonna have
disagreements of course. So Moncey had brought up the point.
We obviously have talked a lot about Caitlin Clark, and
deservedly so.

Speaker 3 (02:02:37):
She has been a very big name in the news.

Speaker 2 (02:02:40):
Over the last couple of years, but it's really come
to that next level this year with her having a
big run at IOWA, breaking all these scoring records and
then jumping into the WNBA. So Moncey and Dan Bayer
got into it about who is more recognize famous.

Speaker 8 (02:03:01):
I said, she's famous.

Speaker 2 (02:03:02):
See see now this this is this is this is
something when we talk about fame and recognizability. I mean,
you could be infamous and recognizable, right of course. So
I guess it's just you know, like if you if
you had a picture of somebody or you threw the
name out, who would get more recognition? Okay, So it
came down to Matzi with Caitlin Clark and Dan countered

(02:03:27):
with Aaron Judge.

Speaker 8 (02:03:29):
Well it just happened.

Speaker 7 (02:03:30):
This wasn't planned, and the conversation was about Aaron Judge.
And then I just made a comment while I was like, well,
oh it was because it came up how she was
at the Yankee game and Aaron Judge handed her a
gift and so it was like a joke, like she
didn't Kaitlyn Clark be handing Aaron Judge a gift. I
was like, well, Kaitlyn Clark is more famous than Aaron Judge.
And that's how it started.

Speaker 3 (02:03:48):
And then Dan just and then Dan reformed.

Speaker 8 (02:03:51):
Yes, refused to accept it.

Speaker 1 (02:03:53):
Rich.

Speaker 7 (02:03:54):
This went on for three days and then Judge, you know,
three hundred homers the fastest is anyone that anyone had
done it?

Speaker 8 (02:03:59):
So like a three day conversation, all right.

Speaker 3 (02:04:01):
I side with Caitlyn Clark.

Speaker 2 (02:04:03):
I think I think Kaitlyn Clark is more famous than
Aaron I agree, yes.

Speaker 8 (02:04:07):
And we're talking about you have to ask non sports people.

Speaker 10 (02:04:09):
Okay, okay, So I don't even think Aaron Judge is
the most famous person in baseball.

Speaker 3 (02:04:14):
He's not. And we know, all right, so let me
that's where I'm going to go next.

Speaker 2 (02:04:19):
All right, who here believes is more famous between Kaitlyn
Clark and show Hey Otani.

Speaker 8 (02:04:25):
And that's that's an interesting one.

Speaker 9 (02:04:28):
Now.

Speaker 10 (02:04:28):
I mean, we're going worldwide, so I would too.

Speaker 8 (02:04:32):
I would too, I would lean Otani. But I don't
think it's very We don't have to lean.

Speaker 3 (02:04:36):
You can just fall. Let me ask you.

Speaker 8 (02:04:38):
I don't think it's that has.

Speaker 11 (02:04:40):
An entire country behind him. Kaitlan Clark is known mostly
in the Midwest.

Speaker 7 (02:04:46):
The Olympics in Paris, people were wearing Iowa jerseys.

Speaker 10 (02:04:51):
There were Australia and New Zealand reporters I saw who
went out to Team USA basketball and as soon to
cover them, and as soon as they found out Kaitlyn
Clark was not on Team USA basketball, they stopped covering
the team.

Speaker 2 (02:05:03):
All right, let's let me. Let me put Caitlin Clark aside,
since you all seem to side with Otani outside of
so who is more famous?

Speaker 1 (02:05:11):
Show?

Speaker 3 (02:05:12):
Hey Otani or Steph Curry?

Speaker 1 (02:05:14):
Uh? Steph Curry.

Speaker 11 (02:05:18):
Steph Curry.

Speaker 1 (02:05:19):
And here's the reason why. Look, that's a four time
NBA champ. He has been a sponsorable athlete for a
lot longer. He has dominated a worldwide sport now for
a lot longer. I mean, think about think about even
the Olympics with you know how close some of these
games were with the US, Like the NBA has done

(02:05:41):
a great job expanding the borders of that game. And
so there's basketball fans everywhere. I'm not saying there aren't
baseball fans everywhere, but Steph Curry has been out it
a lot longer.

Speaker 2 (02:05:52):
I would say, Steph, So we have two steps.

Speaker 8 (02:05:56):
I don't think it's Steph, So you.

Speaker 3 (02:05:58):
Think it's ot Yeah, I think those two choices.

Speaker 1 (02:06:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (02:06:02):
Like, if you're talking non sports people, I think you
say the name.

Speaker 8 (02:06:07):
Have you heard the name Steph Curry? Or they're gonna
be like I've heard Otani?

Speaker 1 (02:06:11):
You think so?

Speaker 11 (02:06:12):
Because what TV show can I watch on this this fall?
Because Steph has a TV show coming out?

Speaker 1 (02:06:20):
Yeah, And he's a couple.

Speaker 4 (02:06:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (02:06:24):
Basketball is so much more international than baseball too, and
baseball is already pretty internationally.

Speaker 10 (02:06:28):
I think this is just an East West split. If
you go towards Europe, you're gonna get Curry, if you
go towards Asia.

Speaker 1 (02:06:34):
Are we all? Then?

Speaker 3 (02:06:35):
If we say steph versus Lebron, is it Lebron.

Speaker 2 (02:06:38):
It's Lebron, Lebron, Lebron. Okay, let's let's let's venture outside
the box for a moment here.

Speaker 3 (02:06:46):
Okay, let's come back.

Speaker 10 (02:06:47):
To hold on, hold on, I don't even think we've
gotten to the top of the ladder with sports people.

Speaker 11 (02:06:50):
Steve's about to ask us swift.

Speaker 3 (02:06:53):
Okay, let's let's ask you this.

Speaker 2 (02:06:55):
Let's know, Lebron versus Brady, Lebron versus Tom Bray.

Speaker 3 (02:07:00):
Well, no, I want to go Lebron versus Messy.

Speaker 1 (02:07:03):
Oh Messa, yeah, Messy. Yeah.

Speaker 11 (02:07:08):
I think you're splitting hairs at this point, though.

Speaker 4 (02:07:10):
Are you?

Speaker 1 (02:07:10):
We definitely are.

Speaker 4 (02:07:12):
We're talking about to.

Speaker 2 (02:07:14):
We're not talking about eighty twenty split, but I mean,
is it is it sixty forty?

Speaker 10 (02:07:19):
Is it hit the most famous soccer player? We gotta
go Lebron versus Ronaldo?

Speaker 2 (02:07:24):
Here?

Speaker 1 (02:07:24):
Yeah, yeah, and I think Ronaldo takes it.

Speaker 2 (02:07:26):
Okay, uh, so of athletes that have had the most
facial surgery done, Brady versus Ronaldo, Jesus, oh my god,
Ronaldo wins that. Again, I'm not.

Speaker 1 (02:07:36):
Completely convinced that Brady's had anyone.

Speaker 2 (02:07:41):
Wait, I mean you would even recognize him from the
guy you played with.

Speaker 4 (02:07:45):
But that's not true.

Speaker 2 (02:07:46):
Yeah, I mean, any if you look at Shame Tom
Brady and twenty twenty four Brady, they're completely different. We
don't think that Tom Brady where he.

Speaker 1 (02:07:57):
Just has a really really regimented skincare routine.

Speaker 2 (02:08:04):
But anyway, outside of this country, how many people know
Tom Brady?

Speaker 4 (02:08:09):
Oh lots, lots and lots, do.

Speaker 2 (02:08:11):
You think, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, more than Messi, Ronaldo,
lebron Steph, Caitlin Clark.

Speaker 1 (02:08:18):
So this is where I think the rubber meets the
road with uh. With social media, like Tom Brady did
something something insanely smart for his brand in the second
half of his time with the New England Patriots, even
though Bill Belichick does not like social media. In fact,
it's usually about two or three times a year when

(02:08:40):
you're in that meeting room with Bill Belichick as a
New England Patriot that he is talking so badly about
social media. He doesn't want anybody to be on social media.
I remember when Chad Ocho Cinco signed as a receiver
with New England. I remember thinking like, how is this
going to work? Because at the time Twitter was still
relatively young. This is back in two thousand and ten,

(02:09:03):
twenty eleven somewhere around there, it was still relatively young,
and he was a superstar on Twitter, right, yeah, and
I'm just like, how is this gonna work for Chad
being here? I mean, they made it work obviously. You know,
he gave people access to who he was. He wasn't
a particularly good wide receiver when he was in New
England for US, but but they figured it out. My
point though, being this was something that Bill put the

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kabash on for years with a lot of the star players.
Tom Brady got so big that he knew he could
start expanding his brand and promoting himself on social media
and started to effectively Where to now again.

Speaker 2 (02:09:39):
But we're talking about what I talk about worldwide. I'm
not sure that Tom Brady is any more recognizable than
Peyton Manning. Yeah right, I mean as far as recognizability.

Speaker 4 (02:09:51):
I mean, but for the.

Speaker 1 (02:09:52):
Same reason because Peyton, again, that's a guy who it
really happened post career, but he decided to launch himself
into becoming a pub figure more so than even being
a football player.

Speaker 4 (02:10:02):
Same with Tom Brady.

Speaker 2 (02:10:03):
All right, worldwide, I'm not talking about popularity. I'm talking
about recognizability, which is who is Well, not necessarily you
could hate somebody and certainly recognize. Yeah, that's so, that's
not that I'm talking about recognizable. You show pictures side
by side, do you know who this person is?

Speaker 8 (02:10:23):
Sure?

Speaker 2 (02:10:24):
I get you the two two names right now, Donald
Trump and Taylor Swift.

Speaker 3 (02:10:32):
Who is more recognizable Taylor Swift?

Speaker 2 (02:10:35):
Taylor Swift, Well, she's more popular's more more recognizable. Yeah,
you don't think that some people do not recognize Donald Trump.

Speaker 1 (02:10:45):
I think it's possible, although unlikely. It's let's put it
this way. It's possible to go through your day and
your life buying large without running into too much Donald
Trump stuff. It is literally impossible to avoid Taylor Swift. Yeah,
when you go to a certain so you.

Speaker 2 (02:11:05):
Believe there are people that if you showed a picture
of Trump, they would have absolutely no idea who that
is no, I just I'm not talking popularity.

Speaker 3 (02:11:15):
I'm saying recognize.

Speaker 10 (02:11:17):
Pick two people who are very universal recognizable. But I'm
still going to lean Taylor Swift on this.

Speaker 2 (02:11:22):
So you're saying yes, So you're saying Taylor Swift is
more recognizable than Beyonce. Yes at this point, yeah, well
you you were a little waffling on that one.

Speaker 8 (02:11:32):
But I said yes, I said yes, I still have.

Speaker 2 (02:11:35):
To think about it for a little bit. Does not
be a weakness of an opinion, exactly, it's all said
and done, Yes, go ahead, Taylor Swift is the most
recognizable human being out of the seven billion on this scene.

Speaker 4 (02:11:52):
I totally thought you were gonna say so.

Speaker 1 (02:11:54):
When it's all said and done, Donald Trump is starting
for the Tampa Bay bucket.

Speaker 4 (02:11:58):
I thought that's where there's this heading. I was so confused.

Speaker 2 (02:12:01):
But all right, the man that led to the death
of the USFL back in the day, all right, So
I just wanted to get that out.

Speaker 1 (02:12:08):
Of the way.

Speaker 11 (02:12:08):
No bts mentioned there, Steve oh btsts might be more
recognizable than Taylor Swift.

Speaker 2 (02:12:13):
If I was going to do a top five, if
I was going to do it, really, if you could
you identify them by a picture.

Speaker 8 (02:12:19):
I could not.

Speaker 11 (02:12:20):
I mean, I couldn't, but I know they have.

Speaker 2 (02:12:22):
Again your confusing popularity versus recognizability.

Speaker 11 (02:12:28):
I think with their popularity, their recognizability is also there too.
You're just not going to be a generation.

Speaker 2 (02:12:35):
He was more recognizable Caitlin Clark or Simone Biles?

Speaker 1 (02:12:38):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (02:12:39):
Ok, sim.

Speaker 10 (02:12:41):
Yes, she is ejected. That is outside the realm of
us as sports fans. Now you've bought the people at
home watching and see it.

Speaker 2 (02:12:51):
Yeah, I don't think montegrees with that. She doesn't, I know,
she said.

Speaker 8 (02:12:55):
No, I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (02:12:56):
I was watching Who's more recognizable Caitlyn Clark or some Biles?

Speaker 4 (02:13:00):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (02:13:01):
I said Kaitlyn Clark, Yes, I said Kaitlyn Clark.

Speaker 1 (02:13:04):
Yeah. See that's what I said to its.

Speaker 3 (02:13:05):
More recognizable Kaitlin Clark or Angel Reese. K Yeah, you
don't know what Angel Reese.

Speaker 1 (02:13:12):
Looks like, which, by the way, interesting following TikTok all
of a sudden, Yeah, very very very interesting, A very
good interested. All right, that's all we have for you
to think.

Speaker 3 (02:13:27):
I was just thinking of other days that we out.

Speaker 10 (02:13:29):
In my head, this is like this, if I'm going
to put together a top five in no particular order.
I think I have Rinaldo Taylor Swift, Donald Trump, the
Dolly Lama, and like whoever the most recognizable Wait a second.

Speaker 3 (02:13:48):
Dolly Lama or Oprah Dolly Lama?

Speaker 11 (02:13:50):
Or why do we have to stop at real people?
What about Mickey Mouse?

Speaker 3 (02:13:56):
Very good?

Speaker 1 (02:13:57):
I think that tops. Everybody can't go anywhere on the
planet without seeing Mickey Mouse or the Golden Arches.

Speaker 2 (02:14:04):
All right, well, you mentioned Tom Brady. On the other side,
I want to talk about Tom Brady's next venture. Is
it gonna be worth the listen? We'll break it down.
This is Fox Sports Sunday, Steve Harmin and Rich Romberger
Fox Sports Sunday. We are back here Fox Sports Red
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and get into that Red Zone Radio mode will officially
be there once we get to the start of the
NFL season, bringing you updates constantly in the moment of
every NFL game.

Speaker 3 (02:14:38):
We cannot wait for that.

Speaker 1 (02:14:39):
All right.

Speaker 2 (02:14:40):
One guy that's gonna be front and center is the
new high man in terms of the highest page sports
broadcaster in the business before he's even done a single broadcast,
and that is Tom Brady. After he signed that tenure
three hundred and seventy five million dollar deal which puts
him at the top of the mountain. And again for him,

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that's chump change. It really doesn't matter so much about
the deal, but it certainly puts a pot spotlight on
the fact that obviously Tom Brady is the goat in
terms of quarterbacks and NFL history and now the highest
paid broadcaster in the history of that sport. So now
Tom Brady, who by the way, keeps throwing out hints
about his return to the NFL, he's forty seven. Now

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he looks like he's twenty five with all the work
he's done, and more power to him. I don't care
he wants to look that way.

Speaker 1 (02:15:35):
Go for.

Speaker 3 (02:15:38):
What exactly?

Speaker 2 (02:15:39):
As a former teammate of Tom Brady, and we've seen
plenty of tom Brady post New England Patriots in terms
of social media and everything else. We heard him sort
of do a crack on Daniel Jones, but then immediately.

Speaker 3 (02:15:54):
Walk it back.

Speaker 2 (02:15:55):
He said, well, you know, let's say Daniel Jones through
an interception and a big laugh, and then he backed, I.

Speaker 3 (02:16:01):
Could have used any name, right of those.

Speaker 2 (02:16:04):
Is this a guy that is going to be comfortable
being critical of what he observes during an NFL game
one hundred percent. So he is going to freely fire
off on players if they do bad things on the field.

(02:16:25):
You don't see they'll have any hesitancy to do something
like that.

Speaker 1 (02:16:29):
One hundred percent. And here's why nobody knows the game
like Tom Brady knows the game. Nobody's ever played in
that many postseason games started in, that many postseason games won,
that many postseason games won, that many Super Bowls, And
that longevity isn't just due to luck. Obviously, he played

(02:16:53):
hurt a lot throughout the course of his season. He
was insanely durable because he was such a tough, minded,
competitive so he knows what it's like when there's a
nagging injury. And trust me when I tell you this,
if there's a football player on the field dealing with
an injury, he'll be able to tell you about a
time in his career that maybe he had to play
through something like that, and you know what obstacles there

(02:17:16):
are to overcome that situation and what you know, uh
sort of considerations you take before even playing with an
injury like that or defenses that you're facing, Uh, yeah.
You know, this reminds me of the time when I
was playing preparing for a Rex Ryan New York Jets
team and they were, you know, only line up with
you know, two defensive linemen and they had you know,

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four linebackers on the field, and then they had a
you know, a shell of seven defenders over the top
and it was just impossible. Or I guess that's more
than eleven, but you get my point. You have five
secondary members over the top and just confusing the picture
and clouding things like. He's going to be able to
draw back from all these experiences, but also he's gonna

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be able to tell you when a mistake was made
by a quarterback it was made by maybe a lazy
route that was ran, a mistake was made by an
offensive lineman in the pass protection, or if it was
the quarterback's job to throw hot off of a certain
player that maybe had sacked the quarterback or hit him
as he threw. He's gonna be able to diagnose all

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that stuff as it's happening live in action.

Speaker 4 (02:18:25):
So when you.

Speaker 1 (02:18:26):
Say, oh, man, like, is Tom Brady going to pull
any punches, He's he gonna be comfortable criticizing these guys, Look,
he's not doing the criticism. It's the film. The film
tells you who's right or who's wrong. It's like the
old saying the eye in the sky never lies. Well,
Tom Brady in this case, is just going to tell you,

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from an analytical perspective, exactly what should.

Speaker 4 (02:18:51):
Happen with the football during the course of a game.

Speaker 1 (02:18:53):
And if a quarterback or a receiver, or a tight
end or a running back, or an offensive lineman or
a defense of tackle, defensive end, linebacker, nickel, nickel back,
slot defender, corner safety is out of place or doing
the wrong thing, he'll.

Speaker 4 (02:19:10):
Be able to tell you why.

Speaker 1 (02:19:11):
And guess what, when that player goes back to the
film study room, his coach is going to be saying
the exact same thing to him. So yeah, I think
he's going to be comfortable as hell criticizing players.

Speaker 3 (02:19:22):
All right.

Speaker 2 (02:19:22):
So Tom Brady's broadcasting debut with Fox will be the
matchup between the Cowboys and the Browns I believe, is
that right? Cowboys and the Browns. Well, there's a lot
of meat on the bone with the Cowboys as they're not.

Speaker 4 (02:19:38):
Yeah, there's quite a bit.

Speaker 3 (02:19:40):
I mean, seriously, I mean, both these quarterbacks.

Speaker 2 (02:19:43):
When you think about Deshaun Watson and Dak Prescott, man,
there's a.

Speaker 3 (02:19:49):
Lot to do.

Speaker 2 (02:19:50):
I mean, I and I just wonder if I mean,
let's say, let's say, I mean, you go into that game,
You're thinking, all right, Cowboys, but where is that game?

Speaker 3 (02:20:01):
Zach game in Cleveland? Or it is in Cleveland?

Speaker 1 (02:20:05):
Right?

Speaker 4 (02:20:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (02:20:07):
But I mean on the surface, I mean, you're you're
thinking the Cowboys going as the favorite.

Speaker 1 (02:20:11):
I would say so, yes, but.

Speaker 2 (02:20:15):
Just imagine, and it's very conceivable because the Browns obviously
have a pretty good defense, to say the least. Dak
Prescott has a rough day on the road, right, and
and it's just a bad day at the office. Let's
say his first game of the season against the Browns
resembles his playoff game against the Packers.

Speaker 3 (02:20:36):
Sure, how old Tom Brady handled that.

Speaker 1 (02:20:39):
My guess is he's going to be able to better
than almost anybody who's ever done it. Get into the
head of the competitor who maybe misses some early shots.
Like so, let's let's face it. Part of it is
your quarterbacks preparation. Part of it is your the opponent's
defense prep and part of it is the preparation of

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the tools you have around you on the offense that
you're quarterbacking for. So he'll first be able to tell
you what's happening, Like, so, is it the defense, did
they scheme up something that's really attacking what the Cowboys
do best? Is that the reason why Dak struggling? Is
it Dak's preparation. Does he look uncomfortable? Is there something
wrong with his mechanics or footwork. Is it something that

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a tight end or a receiver or a group of
offensive skill position players are doing wrong? You know, are
they instituting maybe a new scheme that they're uncomfortable with
and they're showing some of those growing pains, you know,
because obviously this is only year two since McCarthy has
taken over the offense, and maybe there's more install this offseason.

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So there's a lot that he'll be able to tell
you about a quarterback's hard day at the office.

Speaker 4 (02:21:53):
That's going to lend more nuance to.

Speaker 1 (02:21:54):
The picture, whereas typically we usually just hear from broadcasters
and even some who used to play the position. Yeah, look,
you know, he's just completely out of sync with his receivers,
and it's just like, yeah, well thanks, I can tell you.
I could tell that, you know, whether you have any
football knowledge or not.

Speaker 2 (02:22:10):
Well, the other thing, obviously is in the past with
Joe Buck and Troy Aikman and Kevin Burkhard, who obviously
is going to be working with Tom Brady.

Speaker 3 (02:22:20):
All of them were regulars on this very show.

Speaker 2 (02:22:23):
But are we expecting that Tom Brady is going to
be a regular contributor? You too as own radio.

Speaker 11 (02:22:29):
Yeah, you read my mind, Steve. I was going to say,
be careful what you say, because we are trying to
get Tom Brady on this show.

Speaker 2 (02:22:33):
Well that's why I'm very curious and and I would
imagine especially if you mentioned, look, you know, probably your
favorite teammate you ever had, Rich Ormane.

Speaker 9 (02:22:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (02:22:44):
No, that's what if anything would help us, it's having
a former teammate of Tom Brady on this show. So
if there's one of those.

Speaker 2 (02:22:49):
Yeah, I mean, look, we've had great stuff, you know,
Joe and Troy were super Kevin Burkhart great guy. So yeah,
I mean I would I would hope, you know, Aaron Andrews.
I mean, we've had many members of the top Fox
Sports football team on the show, so we expect Tom
Brady then, whether they like it or not.

Speaker 11 (02:23:10):
What I'm trying to say is, Monsei, you shoot that
text to Tom Brady.

Speaker 1 (02:23:13):
Make it happen.

Speaker 3 (02:23:14):
Well, maybe she can make that happen.

Speaker 2 (02:23:16):
All right, let's find out what is a trending right now?
And so Montsy, we're talking about Tom Brady being a
regular on Red Zone Radio. Of course, just like Joe
Buck used to be, and Troy Aikman and Kevin Burkhard
and Aaron Andrews, all of them have been on the
show many many times.

Speaker 3 (02:23:32):
So tom Brady's on that same broadcast team.

Speaker 8 (02:23:35):
I don't see how we don't make this happen. Especially
Rich just text.

Speaker 2 (02:23:39):
Him, do you do you know.

Speaker 1 (02:23:42):
Him?

Speaker 2 (02:23:42):
If we if we have the first time I'm already
test the first time we have Tom Brady.

Speaker 3 (02:23:47):
Would you like to chime in with a question to
Tom Brady?

Speaker 7 (02:23:50):
Yes, I would like to ask him how he doesn't
like tomatoes?

Speaker 2 (02:23:54):
Okay, very good. I think he would enjoy that.

Speaker 1 (02:23:56):
Yeh.

Speaker 2 (02:23:56):
I think if we keep it light, it's going to
really work well.

Speaker 1 (02:23:59):
With a new study out tomatoes apparently the lyycopene and
tomatoes can drastically reduce prostate cancer risks. Yeah, So.

Speaker 11 (02:24:10):
What it is is if he has tomato. That doesn't
leave room for the one almond he can have.

Speaker 7 (02:24:14):
Well, yeah, no, apparently he thinks tomato, the citrus of
tomato causes inflammation.

Speaker 8 (02:24:19):
So really I just wonder, like, how does he not
have pizza?

Speaker 1 (02:24:22):
Well?

Speaker 8 (02:24:22):
Yeah, that's really what I want to know.

Speaker 4 (02:24:24):
It's all the night shade.

Speaker 1 (02:24:26):
I read up on the TV twelve method and apparently
he stays away from like all night shade vegetables and fruits.

Speaker 4 (02:24:34):
So no eggplant.

Speaker 2 (02:24:35):
No, But are you who is worried about inflammation not
playing football as when you were playing football?

Speaker 1 (02:24:41):
See, like that's a great question for tom not for me.

Speaker 2 (02:24:44):
I mean, does your physical fitness regiment as a broadcaster?

Speaker 3 (02:24:51):
Has it changed at all since you were a player.

Speaker 8 (02:24:53):
Well, he's going to come back.

Speaker 2 (02:24:54):
I do you see all these questions.

Speaker 3 (02:24:55):
I cannot wait for his first appearance on the show.

Speaker 1 (02:24:58):
Same here, same here, and and I think we'll cover
it all. We probably won't talk any Browns or Cowboys.

Speaker 3 (02:25:07):
That's another game. What's happening out there?

Speaker 1 (02:25:10):
Mine?

Speaker 8 (02:25:10):
Yeah, let me tell you what's happening. How about we
start with the Little League World Series. Guys, there's elimination
games happening.

Speaker 7 (02:25:17):
Mexico has eliminated Canada eight zero was a final. New
York has eliminated Illinois for zero. Two other games that
are on a rain delay, but Pennsylvania beating Washington eleven
to two, and Aruba is on top of Australia three zero,
but both those in this Little League World Series elimination game.

Speaker 8 (02:25:35):
Both of those are on a rain delay.

Speaker 7 (02:25:38):
In baseball, the Nationals have taken the lead over the
Phillies six to four bottom of the ninth inning in Philadelphia.
The Diamondbacks have come back to tie the game against
the Rays.

Speaker 8 (02:25:47):
It's sixty six, also bottom of the ninth.

Speaker 7 (02:25:50):
In Tampa, the Royal is still on top of the
Reds for to one bottom of the seventh, but the
Reds do have the bases loaded. The Dodgers holding onto
their lead over the Cardinals two to one, top of
the ninth Innies show Hey Tawny did hit.

Speaker 8 (02:26:00):
Home run number thirty nine on the season.

Speaker 7 (02:26:02):
The Blue Jays up on the Cubs one zero bottom
of the eighth, All twins against the Rangers for zero.

Speaker 8 (02:26:07):
Top of the seventh. The Padres and the Rockies are
tied at one apiece.

Speaker 7 (02:26:11):
The Braves on top of the Angels one zero, both
of the Padres Rocky's bottom of the fifth, Braves Angels
bottom of the second in LA games have wrapped up Marlins.
They beat the Mets three to two, Orioles took down
the Red Sox for two.

Speaker 8 (02:26:23):
Mariners all over.

Speaker 7 (02:26:24):
The Pirates ten to three, Astros with the two zero
win over the White Sox just like the Brewers who
beat the Guardians to zero in the NFL. The preseason
action continues later today fell as a double header, Packers
taking on the Broncos forty nine Ers hosting the Saints.

Speaker 8 (02:26:38):
Both games are gonna kick off at eight Eastern.

Speaker 7 (02:26:40):
The Raiders know who their starting quarterback is going to
be for a Week one against the Chargers. They have
named Gardner Minshew as their starting quarterback, and the Minnesota
Vikings are signing five time Pro Bowl quarterbacks Stefon Gilmour
to a one year, ten million dollar meal.

Speaker 8 (02:26:55):
Back to you.

Speaker 3 (02:26:55):
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(02:27:20):
we get off the air. Let's say, yeah, so this
is all exciting stuff that's going to be coming up
in the next few weeks, so be prepared for that.
Look at as far as Brady as a broadcaster, this
guy doesn't do anything half assed. He's gonna give, he's
gonna be ready. He's really had an extra year to prepare.

(02:27:42):
But still now there's still confusion about his ownership situation.

Speaker 3 (02:27:47):
With the Silver and Black, right right?

Speaker 2 (02:27:50):
And if he were to officially take on that title
a with that allow him to broadcast any game involving
the Raiders.

Speaker 3 (02:28:00):
Or would that be off limits?

Speaker 4 (02:28:02):
Okay, let me if you actually have an.

Speaker 3 (02:28:04):
Ownership stake in the team, I.

Speaker 1 (02:28:06):
Would say due to conflict of interest, if a network
wanted to appear unbiased in their approach to coverage of
any game, they would most likely keep him off of
any team he had.

Speaker 4 (02:28:22):
An ownership stake in.

Speaker 1 (02:28:23):
I think it would be interesting to have him cover
teams that he played for, namely the Patriots and the
Tampa Bay Buccaneers. But I do think that if you
have an ownership stake, even if it's a small one
in any team, they would keep you off up.

Speaker 2 (02:28:36):
Can you imagine if he did a Raider game and
they were down thirty five to nothing at halftime.

Speaker 1 (02:28:41):
Uh yeah, and he was just like, listen, I think
we gotta comeback. Story on our hands. I got to
run down to the he pulls a headset off and
he's just screaming at people at halftime. Do you have
any head down? Stupid?

Speaker 2 (02:28:55):
You're making me look Gardner, bitch, you give me that football.

Speaker 4 (02:28:58):
I'm going out there.

Speaker 3 (02:28:59):
Give me your Well. See, that's the whole point.

Speaker 2 (02:29:03):
As we go into this season, it really is remarkable
just how many teams are still very much up in
the air with their quarterback position. I mean, obviously we
have teams right now, all right. I mean one team
we have not talked about. We mentioned earlier about the
unfortunate injury that ended JJ McCarthy's season. The Vikings immediately
got the guy they needed, Matt corral To, who was

(02:29:27):
last seen I believe in the UFL, Sam Donald.

Speaker 3 (02:29:32):
I mean we you know, we were talking, you know,
the last couple of weeks.

Speaker 2 (02:29:35):
How long will it take before they handed off from
Sam Donald? To JJ McCarthy.

Speaker 1 (02:29:40):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 2 (02:29:41):
Well we know the answer to that is no, sooner
than twenty twenty five. Yes, So now Sam Donald is
the guy I think about this.

Speaker 3 (02:29:50):
I mean, is Sam Donald you like Gino Smith?

Speaker 2 (02:29:52):
I mean, could we see Sam Donald do what I
don't know Baker Mayfield did in Tampa last year?

Speaker 1 (02:30:00):
That's the Those are two other good comparisons, especially since
both of those guys had season long breakouts, yeah, later
in their careers. I made the comparison and we put
this up on Instagram at Fox Sports Radio, and this
was on yesterday's show Countdown to Kickoff of Nick Foles.

Speaker 2 (02:30:20):
Yeah, you know you have a sage sure where.

Speaker 1 (02:30:23):
Yeah, with the Eagles And actually, oddly, since we're transitioning
from talking about Tom Brady, that was the Super Bowl
that Nick Foles outdueled the goat for the win.

Speaker 3 (02:30:33):
You know, deserve it.

Speaker 1 (02:30:35):
MVP, So you have these situations where obviously.

Speaker 4 (02:30:42):
You don't root for an injury.

Speaker 1 (02:30:43):
You don't want to see Carson Wentz's knee go out
during an MVP type of season. You don't want to
see JJ McCarthy have a meniscus tear that requires season
ending surgery and recovery. But when you have an opportunity,
which unfortunately an injury is, and it's paired with talent,
which obviously Sam Darnold has some talent, and if it's

(02:31:07):
mixed with preparation, I mean, greatness is a three way
merge when you have those three things funneling funneling in
if he's prepared enough and he stays healthy obviously and
all those things. And the Vikings have talent around him,
which they do with Justin Jefferson, and they signed Aaron

(02:31:27):
Jones and Jordan Addison is a heck of a player,
and they have help at tight end coming when Hawkinson
gets back from his knee tair at some point I'm
assuming in the middle of the season. I mean, the
Vikings are strong offensive team, and it comes down to
how prepared is Donald for the limelight.

Speaker 3 (02:31:47):
Well, I mean, let's put it this way.

Speaker 2 (02:31:49):
Did it make a difference for to a tongue of
Bila to get Tyreek Hill? Oh yeah, So I'm saying
you got Justin Jefferson, who I still believe is the
most talented wide receiver in the NFL, not Marvin Harrison Junior. Well,
we'll see. And by the way, there's a lot of
buzz obviously with the but I mean look at I mean,

(02:32:11):
you know, Jamar Chase, I mean, obviously Tiger Hill. There's
a lot of great receivers in this league. I don't
think any are better than Justin Jefferson. And they've asked
Justin Jefferson now that it's clear that Sam Donald will
be the guy, and he's like, I'm good with him.
You know, just give me the ball, give me the ball.
You know, I'll do the rest. You just look at.

(02:32:31):
The thing for Sam Donald is simple. He's got to
stay in his lane, because that's been the problem with
Sam Donald, going back to those days at USC, trying to
do too much out there, trying to extend plays and
make the superhero plays, which occasionally you do, but more
often than not it ends up with a turnover.

Speaker 3 (02:32:51):
And that's what he was in college.

Speaker 2 (02:32:52):
And unfortunately in the NFL as well. But it's a
better situation than he had with the Jets, and better
situation than he had in Carolina. And then he gets
to you know, sort of city here with the forty
nine ers, you know, to sort of see how it's done. Right. Yeah,
I think I think he could be a big surprise
comeback player of the year. I don't see that.

Speaker 1 (02:33:13):
I never I didn't.

Speaker 2 (02:33:14):
Understand the comeback player of the year when Gino Smith
one comeback player of the year, because I'm like, come
back from.

Speaker 4 (02:33:20):
What, well, from obscurity?

Speaker 2 (02:33:22):
Well, I no, comeback player of the year is you've
had to been done something, then you threat of a reason,
injury or whatever, you fall off, and then you come back.

Speaker 4 (02:33:34):
Right.

Speaker 1 (02:33:34):
No, I get the heart, the heart of the you
could have.

Speaker 3 (02:33:37):
Most improved player, but I don't get the comeback.

Speaker 1 (02:33:40):
Well. Look, I would say this if Sam Darnold, especially
because of the journey he's been on basically since he's
left New York, ends up having that type of season
like a Baker Mayfield of twenty twenty three, a Gino
Smith of twenty twenty two type of season where all
of a sudden, either the Vikings themselves or one of

(02:34:04):
these other NFL teams are very interested in signing him
to a long term deal or a longer term deal.
I mean that is going to be a comeback Player
of the Year type of story, because again, you're you're
reviving a career from complete obscurity.

Speaker 2 (02:34:20):
Joe Flacco was a classic comeback Player of the Year.
That was a comeback Player of the year.

Speaker 4 (02:34:26):
Absolutely, Super Bowl.

Speaker 2 (02:34:28):
MVP completely onto the couch, that's right, and then take
a team and lead him to the playoffs. That's comeback players.

Speaker 1 (02:34:35):
I'll tell you there are so many angles early angles
to discuss.

Speaker 4 (02:34:41):
I mean, just think about it. It is August what eighteenth?
Is that the day today?

Speaker 9 (02:34:46):
Yep?

Speaker 1 (02:34:47):
We are still I mean less than but just about
three weeks away from kickoff of the football season, and
we just spent seven minutes talking about the Minnesota Vikings.

Speaker 2 (02:34:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:34:59):
I mean, we could do the team, every single team.

Speaker 2 (02:35:01):
Easy because there's.

Speaker 4 (02:35:03):
So many interesting storylines into the season.

Speaker 2 (02:35:05):
All Right, I'm gonna tell you what's on the agenda
next week. All right, coming up, We'll tell you what's
on the agenda next week. This is Fox Sports Sunday,
Steve Harvey, rich Ron Berger, Fox Sports Sunday. We're live
from the tai IRAQ dot Com studios. We are blessed
with the greatest supporting cast in Radio Monsey Chris bo Uh.

(02:35:29):
Next week, guys, I believe. So we have week zero
next week, rich Uh. So we have a limited games
college football on Saturday, and still final week of the
preseason for the NFL. The following week will be crazy
because we're just gonna have an avalanche of college football
Week one. I just overdose, which is good. Yeah, and

(02:35:53):
then we get into the season. So I thought, next
week is the time that we need to go on
the record for the twenty twenty four season. Right Uh,
We're we're going to break down the divisions, wild cards,
m vps, the wholes are back. Where were we gonna
We're gonna cover it all, all of us here in
the show, and UH go on the record. Yeah, you

(02:36:15):
can't go after the fact.

Speaker 3 (02:36:16):
Why I told you?

Speaker 1 (02:36:17):
Did you?

Speaker 3 (02:36:18):
Did you really tell me? Did you tell me?

Speaker 4 (02:36:20):
Did you tell me?

Speaker 2 (02:36:21):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (02:36:21):
I don't remember that.

Speaker 2 (02:36:22):
We're going to be on the record with all our
predictions for the upcoming season, so I don't want to
waste any of that right now, we do this. Actually,
we have a list here in the uh in the
control room, that's where everybody comes down and posts things
like I did last year predicting in that the the.

Speaker 3 (02:36:45):
Rams would be the worst team in the NFL.

Speaker 10 (02:36:48):
To be clear and to be transparent, the categories here
in the control room are NFC winner, AFC winner, Super
Bowl team, worst team in the NFL and out on
a limb prediction and MVP.

Speaker 2 (02:37:01):
And MVP, right, those are the ones that we make
out of the what was you know? So I'm very
rarely right on any of that kind of stuff, But
I will say this, what's making this season interesting already
to me in watching Patrick Mahomes having fun with Kelsey

(02:37:22):
in the game with the behind the back pass. They're
the ninth team to the chance to go three Super
Bowls in a row and no one's done it.

Speaker 4 (02:37:31):
That's right, and.

Speaker 2 (02:37:35):
You gotta believe that if assuming health obviously is always
a factor, but if those two guys are healthy throughout
the season, I think it's safe to say they're going.

Speaker 3 (02:37:46):
To be a very hard team to beat.

Speaker 1 (02:37:47):
I think that is as accurate and appraisal of the
Kansas City Chiefs as you could possibly lay out. I mean,
regardless of the injury sustained Marquise Brown, or what happens
with the development of Xavier Worthy, the draft pickout of Texas,

(02:38:09):
or the storyline as to whether or not or Shehee
Rice will serve some sort of suspension for the multiple
charges he's facing in Dallas from this offseason accident. Incident
that he was involved in, whatever the circumstances, because you
have those two future Hall of Famers on that roster
and that coach. By the way, let's not forget to

(02:38:31):
mention Andy Reid. The Chiefs are at the top of
the mountain and everybody is chasing.

Speaker 2 (02:38:36):
Well, and I look at it. I know it's comparing
individual sport versus a team sport. But you know, like
in golf, Jack Nicholas has the records, right, Sure Tiger
Woods didn't catch him, but a lot of people will say,
but yeah, Tiger at his peak was better, right, And

(02:38:56):
that's what I look at with Tom Brady versus is
Patrick Mahomes.

Speaker 3 (02:39:02):
Is Patrick Mahomes going to break seven Super Bowls?

Speaker 2 (02:39:06):
Probably not, but at this point of his career, he's
had a better career and a similar point of Tom
Brady's career. They both had the same number of super
Bowl wins. But he's also won multiple MVPs and everything else.
I mean, I can't predict, you know, is he going
to play that long? Will he want to play that long?

(02:39:28):
Can he win that many Super Bowls? But you can
make an argument already that Mahomes is the best ever
to play that position.

Speaker 1 (02:39:37):
You could make that argument, and the scary reality of
that argument is he's got so much football left ahead
of him.

Speaker 3 (02:39:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:39:46):
The one thing I will say about Tom Brady that
may never be replicated, well, really two things.

Speaker 4 (02:39:53):
His durability over.

Speaker 1 (02:39:54):
That span of times and his toughness to be able
to play in all those games. And also a consistently
revolving cast of characters, which you could give Bill Belchik
credit for as well, selecting players that matched the style
of play in New England for two decades. But he
was able to win with anyone he was provided.

Speaker 2 (02:40:14):
But already Mahomes you know, crosses because when Tyreek Hill left,
I predicted that's the last of Mahomes. And he comes
back and wins back to back Super Bowls. Yeah without
Tyreek Hills. So and they sort of have a revolving
door wide receiver over the last couple of years.

Speaker 3 (02:40:30):
And it doesn't seem to remember this team was.

Speaker 1 (02:40:32):
Playing two fifteen more years of this.

Speaker 2 (02:40:35):
All right, So you have all week to work on this, Okay,
like you've got nothing else on your plate, Yeah, nothing
else to do. If you need to focus one hundred
percent on that more coming up, keep it here.

Speaker 3 (02:40:47):
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