August 24, 2024 • 39 mins
LaVar Arrington & TJ Houshmandzadeh talk about the public comments between Dolphins QB Tua Tagovailoa and his former head coach, current Vikings DC Brian Flores. LaVar and TJ debate the merit of the NFL preseason, Alabama is accused of “theft”, and more!
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All right, listen up my man plex he's handling a
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in the streets because you know, stranger to it.
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I feel like that's the truth. DJ.
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Yeah, you know, you know, I don't look for problems
at all any longer. But you said I'm not gonna
run from a problem. Yeah, I'm a good problem solver.
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I try to. Yeah, I can. How you're feeling, man?
What what what you're thinking about the weather today?
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Man?
Speaker 3 (02:24):
It's been hot.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
It's been yes, it's been hot.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
Waking up, you know, the sun is out, the skies
are clear.
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Feeling good, you.
Speaker 5 (02:34):
Know, what else has been hot? Uh, the conversations coming
out of South Florida. You know I'm talking about UH.
All week long, we've been hearing about the two of
comments that where the Floor has responses. Let's get a
listen so we could get everybody who may have not
heard what Tua had to say and what coach Brian
Floor has had to say in response to it during
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the course of the week. And I love to get
your your take on your reactions to it. Here's and
what he had to say about his former coach Brian Flores.
Speaker 6 (03:03):
To put it in simplest terms, if you woke up
every morning and I told you you sucked at what
you did, that you don't belong doing what you do,
that you shouldn't be here, that this guy should be here,
that you haven't earned this right. And then you have
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somebody else come in and tell you, dude, you are
the best fit for this, like you are accurate, you
are the best whatever you are, this you are that.
How would it make you feel listening to one or
the other? And then you hear it. You hear it
regardless of what it is, the good or the bad,
and you hear it more and more you start to
actually believe that, I don't care who you are, you
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could be the president of the United States. You have
a terrible person that's telling you things that you don't
want to hear or that you probably shouldn't be hearing.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
You're going to start to.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Believe that about yourself.
Speaker 6 (03:58):
And it was basically been what two years of training
that out of not just me, but you know, a
couple of the guys as well that have been here
since my rookie year all the way till now.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
M all right, that was pretty interesting.
Speaker 5 (04:12):
Now here's what Brian Floor has had to say after
he was asked about this sid statement from the quarterback
to up you.
Speaker 7 (04:21):
Know, specific to uh, you know, the comments that were
made by Tua. I just want to say, Look, I'm
genuinely happy for the success that Too has had and
I really wish him nothing but the best. And you know,
I think, you know, player relationships are very important to me.
They I think that's kind of the foundation of coaching.
Like I'm human, So that hit me in a way
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that you know, wasn't I wouldn't say it was positive
for me, but at the same time, I know I've
got to use that and say, hey, how can I
how can I grow from that? You know, how can
I be better? Do I feel like, well that's me No, all.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Right, TJ. I had two takeaways before I let you
have it.
Speaker 5 (04:59):
One and with what Tua said, it was interesting, he said,
being said or being told something to you that you
don't want to hear. I heard that, I heard horrible
person from Floras. I heard no apology. There was no
I regret well I did. I didn't mean what I said.
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I could have handled it in a different way in
the way that I said it. There was no apologies.
It was just that I can I can get better,
I can learn from it. And I thought those were
the things that stood out to me. Is it sounds
as though Flora has meant everything that he said to Tua,
and and it sounds as though Tua really needed a
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different type of leadership that was going to mold him.
Not the heart knows old school way of leading, but
you know, maybe the new school way of going at things.
What was your take on what what you heard?
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Man, This here is a lot to unpack. I know.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
Oh, both Tua and Brian Flores. I'm not gonna say
I talked to him on a regular basis, because I
do not, but I've had more than one conversation with both.
Tua is one of the nicest people you will every meet,
and for the most part that Polynesian culture, that's just
how they are nice people.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Yeah, they they are nice human beings.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Yes, very family oriented.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
And so let's start with Tua.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
When you hear somebody telling.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
You you suck, you're not good, you shouldn't be here,
we actually should have it.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
After a while, it's like, bro, like, what have I
done to you?
Speaker 4 (06:46):
Like, I haven't done anything to you for you to
continuously talk to you like this, for you to continuously
put me down and mess with my confidence. You go
to Flores. Brian Flores coached thunder Bill Belichick. Bill Belichick,
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from what we've heard, did this to Tom Brady all
the time. But Tom Brady is wired differently. Tom Brady
could take it. Tom Brady was able to use at
his motivation and it was like, oh, this is what
you think about me. I'm gonna show you everything you
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just said is one hundred completely wrong.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Tom Brady could handle that.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
That is a toxic relationship, though to jay To what
couldn't handle it?
Speaker 2 (07:37):
So this is what happened, though, I'm glad you brought
that up.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
Relationship Tour was in a verbally abusive relationship with Brian Flores.
He gets out of that verbally abusive relationship and gets
with Mike McDaniel that is nowhere near that. It's a
verbally positive relationship. And to us sitting here like wow,
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this is how it is to be in a relationship
with someone that treats you the way they would like
to be treated, as opposed to all the put downs
and the negativity and a stomping on my head so
to speak.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
I got to speak out about this.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
And so I just feel like Brian Flores was coaching
two of the way that he saw Belichick. He coach Brady,
and you can't do that, Like as a coach, I've
always looked at it as you teach guys, oh more
than anything, but more than anything, you're a psychologist. If
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I'm a psychologist, I'm not going to approach you the
same way that I approach Plexico or the same way
whoever you just because everybody is so you handle it
case by case that person, and so I would have
I don't understand how Brian Floores didn't get that. But
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when Tua said what he said, he had to reflect
on it and say wow. He could have denied it,
he could have said he accepted it, and yet he
didn't apologize, but he basically said I'm sorry without saying
I'm sorry. Like, I have to reflect on this. I
have to basically take a look in the mirror and say,
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I gotta be better, because if Tua felt that way
and I made him feel that way.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
I'm wrong.
Speaker 5 (09:42):
All right, let me jump in on you right there,
because I'm glad you said that. If is that based
upon him having a genuineness of being sorry or is
that based off of him addressing something that I think
anyone who would be advising Brian floor As or even
his own self advisory to himself. You're talking about the
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opportunity of trying to get another head coaching job, right,
you got to address it because if you're talking about
a guy who's playing at a franchise level, a caliber
level at this point, just gets a big, big re
up contract and you couldn't get that out of him, which,
by the way, Floraes was a winning coach. Miami has
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not done better without floras As. The coach less. They
were one game better in the best season that Mike
McDaniel has had, and we should be.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
Clear on that they've done better. They made it. They
made it.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
They've done better just because the environment. LaVar, we're players, Okay,
but if Brian Flores talk to you how he taught
the tour.
Speaker 5 (10:54):
I've had, I've had that happen, but I've had but
you know what happened. I had that happen. You know
what happened. And I told that man what I told him.
I told him, if you talk to me like that again, exactly,
I'm going to hurt you. And I mean I'm really like.
I looked at him in his eyes and I pierced
his soul in his spirit, and I told dal lindsay,
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straight up, straight out, old man, if you talk to
me like that one more time, one more time, I
will hurt you. And I walked away. And you know what, TJ.
That man never spoke to me another day in my life.
And we had games and listen, we had games left
and I had ended up getting my starting job back,
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and he never he spoke to me and coached me
through war Holeman. He talked to Warck. He coached Warck.
My film would be up on the screen TJ. And
he's talking to war Coletman and making the corrections with
war Coleman. So it has happened to me, And you're right,
certain dudes are wired differently. I grew up in I
grew up in a very very urban and viyor right.
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So negativity to me was that was fuel. You talk crazy,
negativity is fuel.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
I didn't.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
I didn't. I never believe you can take that. We
can take something. We can take that, LeVar, We will.
We can deal with that. I was anything, and we're
not dealing with it every day. We're not dealing with
it every time I do something that you don't like.
Now you're about to put me down. Nah, I can
take it well when you constantly stepping on my head,
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you constantly put so down.
Speaker 5 (12:34):
So this was more about making the culture and the
environment better. It wasn't about wins and losses. It was
more about making it okay.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
Imagine, imagine, imagine how much better they could have been
if the culture around the dolphins was a positive environment.
If that environment was positive, they would have been better.
They would have been a better team. So the fact
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that he did what he did.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
It could have been way better than what it could have.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Been, a way better team.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
And I truly believe Ryan Flores coming out addressing it.
It does have something with him wanting to be a
head coach. But I've spent some time with him and
he's a good human being. But I was never around
him in that setting.
Speaker 5 (13:23):
And you know, it can be very different. My grandparent
is different when they're a regular parent person.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
And so I believe that in that sense, I believe
that's somewhat hurt his feelings that he felt like.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
He was doing right by to him. Heware of it, Yes, he.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
Was unaware that it affected him that much because he
probably felt like.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Is that is that a reasonable excuse?
Speaker 4 (13:47):
No, no, it isn't at all. That's a reasonable excuse.
That's no excuse. And so it just at that time,
I will say this, I was still one that was
defending to her. I was still saying Toua could play,
two's gonna be a good quarterback and not knowing that
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he was going through this and it was the reason
why he wasn't playing the way I thought he would
play when he was drafted out loud about Ali.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
It's a reasonable excuse for him to not be playing
well because of the way he was being treated.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
Yeah, I just feel like when you're that way, you're.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
You're going to have a boss that talk to you.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
Everybody. Everybody is not number one. You're a quarterback. Very
we'd have been in these locker rooms and meetings. I
don't know if I've ever been on a team where
the quarterback has just been put down in a meeting
ever they've been coached. I agree, Okay, Carson on this,
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on this play, we want to look here first, but
you know, make sure the protection here that we ided
this guy the you know, if this guy make sure Okay, yeah,
we can't let that happen, but yeah we'll be fine
on that.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Yeah, yeah, that type of stuff like that's.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
The I've never seen or been in the meeting room
the way tour never in my life, and so that
can be. And think about what I'm about to say
right now. Who was Tua's college coach.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
Nick Saban? Nick Sabin, same coaching, same coaching, Hold.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
Up, hold upright, Nick Saban comes off like he don't
play any games.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
If you didn't get that from Nick Saban.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
Likes giving it to you for for Tuura. He probably thought, Okay,
I played for Nick Saban. I can take anything from
any coach in the league. Oh whoa, what is bron
Flora is on? And so it had to be really
bad if Tua if it bothered him and he played
for Nick Saban.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
He played for Nick Saban and.
Speaker 5 (15:59):
Then had to come out and tell it all these
all this time later. So well, we'll see how it
all plays out.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
He got his new deal. The team looks good.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
They've added some some nice pieces and some pieces to
the coaching staff, some pieces to the the players on
the field, and it looks as though this Miami team
has the opportunity to be a really, really good ball
club this year.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
We'll see. That's t J.
Speaker 5 (16:20):
Hutchman's outa I'm LeVar Arrington plexes out. But that's all
right up on game train's gonna keep on checking along,
all right. We've got a couple, uh couple things to
talk about. Preseason is winding down.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
But we got an.
Speaker 5 (16:31):
Interesting take on the at least I do, and I
know it's gonna lead you to an interesting one from TJ.
We're gonna talk about it on the other side of
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steal that is the question. Their head coach had some
things to say, and a player that ended up leaving
another program to go there also had some things to say.
We'll talk about it, but first, right now, TJ, let's
talk about preseason. It's winding down and we're turning the
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corner and it's the home stretch of the preseason. I
think NFL preseason stinks. I think it sucks. I don't
think we need it. Maybe one game so you can
see what the guys that are on the bubble can do.
But ultimately, you can figure out who your starters are,
you can figure out what your roster is in practice,
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and you want to go up against another team, do
what these these teams out here are doing. Have a
dual team scrimmage or a practice session, so you could
go up against somebody else. But as far as having
a preseason, this is my strong take on it. You
can only hurt yourself in preseason because if you play,
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if you play, if you play well, what people gonna say, TJ. Nobody,
nobody's game planning. Nobody really cares. They're just getting your
game reps in Blase Blase, bla da da da da da.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
Game is over. Did you win the game?
Speaker 5 (19:36):
You look on the sidelines, guys eating some sunflower seeds, laughing, joking,
hoot and hollering.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Doesn't matter.
Speaker 5 (19:42):
If you won the game, doesn't matter. If you lost
the game. You know what matters if you played poorly.
The only time preseason matters is if you see a
player play poorly. So, if I'm a coach, why I'm
gonna put somebody out there like say, you know, we
have the question of why is Michael Pennix not playing.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Why Raheem Moore is not playing? Why you're gonna play them?
There's no need to play them.
Speaker 5 (20:04):
You know what, I get to see what Michael Pennix
is able to do in practice. If you're not gonna
play Aaron Rodgers, Okay, we need to knock the rust
off Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Well I'm gonna play Aaron Rodgers. It's just a game.
He's only gonna play maybe one two series.
Speaker 5 (20:16):
It doesn't prove anything to put a guy into these
game situations, now that I'm really looking at it, and
now that mcveigen messed up the game by not playing
his starters at all in preseason, what's your take on
the TJ. I think they need to do away with
NFL preseason. Do one game, do one game, and.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
Let's move he hes I low on updates because this
is gonna take some time, because boy, do I completely
disagree with you.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Come on, I'm glad you do. Come on.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Listen to the viewers listening.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
See that is coming something that is coming from somebody
that was privileged to be drafted so high that when
the others got drafted, he was partying. Like the preseason
for guys that are late draft picks, college free agents
is everything to them, dudes, because you other how would
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you be able to prove you deserve to be on
a team. And you say practice, I do. You don't
practice with the same type of intensity. That's number one.
Number two is not one quarterback gets touched in practice.
You don't do any you don't swipe at the ball,
you don't touch the quarterback. And so certain passes that
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he may throw in a practice, he may have been sacked,
he may have to step up in the pocket, so
now he's not throwing it on time, and so the
practice is going to be completely different than a game.
I get what McVeigh has done by bringing the my
starters aren't playing. I love it because the starter has
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proven himself. The younger guys, the late round draft picks,
this is a chance for them to prove themselves. This
is a chance for them to make a team. Without
the preseason, nobody knows who I am. I'm not doing
this show with you, and so that it helps out
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so many people, because you know how many guys. Marvin
Lewis used to always say that your practice all pro, Oh,
your practice all pro? You all pro practice player? All
Pro practice player. Let me see if you can be
an all pro game player, because a lot of guys
practice well, then them lights come on and you get
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all the people on the stands and they freeze up
and they can't do it. Or there's certain guys that
just don't go hard enough in practice and then you
put them in the game and they do very well.
And so me, I like the preseason if I'm not
a starter. If I'm a starter, I don't want to
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plan the preseason. I don't. I've proven myself. I don't
need the preseason to get wet, to get better because
I'm pushing myself so much in practice. I'm pushing myself
after practice that when the season comes, I'm gonna be ready.
And so there's two sides to that, the guy that
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needs it and the guy that is going to make
sure he's ready. Dude, there's just so many players. Okay,
did you watch the Raider game last night?
Speaker 3 (23:35):
I did?
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Well, maybe you didn't. You didn't. You couldn't watch it
because your son was playing.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Yeah, I was. I was online.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
I was a line So Tyrek McAllister, he probably made
the team yesterday because of the preseason.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
He made the team he played in Canada.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
Was undrafted college free agent, the Raiders, not his first team.
He returns upunt eighty one yards. He basically catches the
ball with one hand, skirts off for a touchdown. He
may have made the team because of the preseason. If
there's no preseason games, Tarrek McAlister may be going back
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to Canada.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
He may still be going back to Canada. He may
see my whole thing. This is why.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Worst he'll be on a practice squad. At worst he'll
be on.
Speaker 5 (24:25):
I'm going to push back on you because, for what
it's worth, guys that are getting paid, guys that have
contracts generally will never get cut when there's a guy
behind them that performed better than them. I've seen it
plenty of times where guys outperformed the guy that was
on the roster already and already had a contract, and
they didn't make the team.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
You're not did not make the team.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
You're not beating a guy out by your preseason performance.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
You're you're not beating the guy starter out. You're not
gonna be the starter out, but you're gonna You're.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Gonna might not make the team. You might not make
the team, not make the team very very rarely. The
numbers game. They always say numbers game.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
You may not make that team, but you'll make somebody
else's team because you're you're playing for everybody else. Also,
you're not just playing for your team, You're playing for
the other thirty one teams. In everybody's dream, Florida State
is playing Georgia Tech right now. Everybody on Florida State's team,
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everybody on Georgia Tech's team dreams and aspirations are to
make it to the National Football League. We're just talking
two teams. We're talking two teams. All these players that
play college football their dream is to make it to
the National Football League. It's a small fraternity. Seventeen hundred players, LaVar,
seventeen hundred players. It's a small fraternity.
Speaker 5 (25:48):
And so I'm glad you mentioned that, because, for what
it's worth, if you're a rookie coming into the league,
your film from college is your resume.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
You're film in college is your resume.
Speaker 5 (26:00):
So whatever it is I'm seeing you do in practices,
quarterback position is unique, I will say that, which I
don't think they allow guys to touch quarterbacks too much
in the pros and real games anymore. You I feel
like there's such a safety halo around them that it's
questionable as to how how much more nervous a quarterback
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is during the course of a regular game.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
I'm just being honest. But for the rest of the
guys out there, every single position, whether you're a punter,
whether you are a kicker, whether you are.
Speaker 5 (26:32):
A kick returner, a punk returner, I don't really care.
You get an opportunity in practice to prove your worth.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
Now, yeah you don't, Yes you do.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Yes, guys you the stands. A lot of starters they
not even going all out in practice.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
You're if you.
Speaker 5 (26:50):
Are a starter and you have earned your starting position,
it's something that it's a part of the game. It
is what it is. They've earn't an opportunity to not
practice at time? Are we not go all out at times?
I get that, But for the most part, if you're
an incoming rookie, you're not gonna practice, Well.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
That gives me what I need to know. You might
be a gamer, but.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
When wearing practice, when we're in practice and the ball
is thrown to me down the field and I go
up to catch it, are they just gonna let me
catch it in practice or they they gonna beat at
the ball. But in the game, if I go up
to catch it, somebody is gonna somebody that's gonna hit me.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Somebody's gonna hit me.
Speaker 5 (27:30):
The better question is are they in position to make
the play. It's all subjective to make and I may
make the play in practice, you can be in position.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
You prove me wrong in a game situation, then that
could cost you your job.
Speaker 5 (27:46):
But I'm not trying to come up with all these hypotheticals.
My whole thing is if I'm not playing my starters
in preseason, I do not need three games to try
to figure out if I'm gonna bring three or four
guys onto an active roster and a couple other guys
maybe five or six or whatever it may be, onto
my practice squad.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
I can figure that out in practices.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
And you know, the practice squad rosters when we played
LeVar was five guys, five, five or six. Yeah, it's
way more than that now, Okay, so there you go
way more.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
No, and you want to practice squad pure.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
For the right players, you are a practice squad guy.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
Don't put that on the fact that I was drafted early.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
It is right there.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
I am dealt baby, I'm a mud baby, and you not.
Right now in this situation, you can't. You can't relate it.
Speaker 5 (28:44):
All I'm gonna say is I practiced outside of my
rookie year. I practiced harder and prepared harder than everybody
I did ame rookie year outside of the scene. I'm
saying my preparation of it. But but I hear what
you're saying. But what I'm telling you is is that
a guy in practice, there's nine on seven half lines,
there's one on ones. Yes, they're competing. They're not going
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to just let you catch the ball in one on ones.
They're competing to get the ball out once or not
on one on ones.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
One on ones, that's an offensive drill. I'm winning, okay.
But that defensive player.
Speaker 5 (29:17):
If it is live man on man, live rep, he's
on one seven seven.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
He's gonna get beat ninety okay, saying if you.
Speaker 5 (29:25):
Don't beat him ninety three percent of the time, I'm
making my judgments of you off of him.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
You not beating him nine time.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
There are certain players, and i'll say receivers, that they
are just gamers. You throw the ball up, it's two
guys around they come down with the ball, then that's.
Speaker 5 (29:42):
Something you gotta live with as an organization. That's something
you got if you made the wrong decision. And that
happens all the time.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
It ain't about the organization.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
That happens all the time is about this is about
young men trying to live out a dream in these But.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
There's somebody else that's going to take that job.
Speaker 5 (29:57):
So that that that person that practice better than him
doesn't deserve to have the opportunity.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Because he practiced better and this guy in the game
played better.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
I'm not saying he doesn't deserve it.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
I'm saying the better player that may win that fifty
to fifty ball in the game is in getting a
shot that he probably deserves. Yeah, because when you obviously
take one over another, it's like, hey, well one guy's
dream has been shattered.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Because if a tree calls in.
Speaker 5 (30:22):
The forest and no one's there to hear it, make
you fall down, doesn't make a sound to me. You're
you're making an argument and a discussion point about these
two dudes, all things given, all things equal, he made
more plays in practice the other guy didn't.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
If they're both rookies, if they are both rookies, and
this guy is practicing better.
Speaker 5 (30:44):
If I have any doubt that, Okay, this guy may
be more of a gamer than he is a practice guy.
And this guy may be more of a practice guy
than a gamer. Then I have to choose from the
film that I have with them for the reason why
they're here in the first place. I have to take
that information from the film of which they put down
as their resume.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Which is probably college film.
Speaker 5 (31:06):
I'm looking at that, and I'm basing my decisions off
of what they did in game situations in college and
based off of what I see with my own eyes.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
Yes, yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 5 (31:18):
You're not You're not getting that. You're saying you're getting
that information in preseason games.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
I called you are you are? You are?
Speaker 3 (31:25):
Yes? I disagree, strongly disagree.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
I strongly disagree. That's why we should have got the
ILOs earlier.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
Strongly.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
Oh I wish see, I wish I wish Plexico was
here because he's he's also a silver spoon baby.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
I'm the only one. I'm the only baby in this one.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
Hey, well here, let's bring another mud baby on.
Speaker 5 (31:45):
Hey, Isaac Glow and Crown, let's get enough day sir,
make sure it's real murdy, and make make sure it's
real dirty.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
You know what I mean? What you got well.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
I got his.
Speaker 9 (31:54):
I agree with TJ. Back to your official start in
the twenty twenty four college football season at Dublin, Ireland,
where right now, tenth ranked Florida State has an eight
to seven lead over Georgia Tech three point fifteen left
to play. In the first quarter, Florida State's Lawrence toa
(32:15):
filly a twenty eight yard touchdown run four minutes into
the game. Brian Courtney then ran in the two point conversion,
but Georgia State came back. Haynes King completed a forty
two yard pass to Malik Rutherford down to the Florida
State thirteen yard line, setting up a one yard touchdown
run off a direct snap by Georgia Tech's Zach Pyron.
(32:35):
In Major League Baseball Friday night, Shohei Otani reached the
forty forty club his fortieth stolen base in the bottom
of the fourth inning and then a game winning grand
slam in the bottom of the ninth inning for his
fortieth home run to beat the Tampa Bay Rays seven
to three. As Otani became the fastest in Major League
history to reach the forty to forty club finally fell
(32:59):
this later TOD and NFL preseason action. The Los Angeles
Chargers will be visiting the Dallas Cowboys, and on Friday
night at the Chargers team hotel, fifteen Chargers players and
staff members got stuck in an elevator. The elevator got
stuck in what is known as a blind shaft, in
(33:21):
which the top of the elevator car is at least
ten feet below the closest door opening. The Dallas The
Dallas Urban Search and Rescue Team had to be deployed
and had to help everyone out through the elevator's ceiling panel.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
Oh wow, LaVar.
Speaker 9 (33:38):
And TJ, I'm sure you guys would have handled that
situation with great a plumb back to you.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Yeah, well, I'm taking the stairs from here on now.
Speaker 4 (33:48):
If that ever happens to me, I'm walking up and
down the stairs, moving forward.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
Me to baby. Even the fiftieth floor.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Fiftieth floor is going to be great exercise to get.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
Your steps in your luggage, all right.
Speaker 5 (33:59):
Yeah see, like I said, I strongly disagree with you
and ISLA. Thank you for the update. Mud boys. Thank y'all,
Thank you, thank you. Hey, listen, kayleb to bobies the
Alabama team. Did they steal or did they not steal?
Speaker 3 (34:16):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (34:16):
We're going to talk about on the other side of break.
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Speaker 2 (34:54):
That's right.
Speaker 5 (34:55):
Okay, speaking of mud babies, one went from the mud
to the four star Hotel fast Our Hotel.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
TJ.
Speaker 5 (35:01):
Chuck Martin of Miami, Ohio. Hey, coach felt as though
there was a theft that took place and that well,
if they were the team that the other team was,
that they went and had lost this player. In fact,
they felt as though losing was the wrong word. Stealing
was more appropriate. Let's take a listen of Chuck Martin
(35:23):
and what he had to say. Hey, coach Miami of Ohio.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
All right, special teams lost your kicker.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
Carter's we didn't lose them. He's at Albama. We know
exactly where he's at.
Speaker 10 (35:32):
Like again, you im mediate people, it's all pretend like, no,
Alabama stole our kicker illegally, they illegally recruited. They illegally
recruit our kicker and stole them from us, and like
that's that's a fact. But that's that's called. But we
act like it's not. We live in this la la world, like, hey,
let's not talk.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
I don't know why.
Speaker 10 (35:49):
Everybody knows what's going on. So, yeah, Alabama stallar kicker.
A couple of a couple of other schools try to
steal them, but they think, okay, what's the.
Speaker 5 (35:57):
Question, man, He felt very strongly about, to which Caylin Deboor,
Alabama's head coach, had this to say about it.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
I don't know anything about that. I guess that comment. Yeah,
I mean he entered the portal and we reached out
to him. So that's how it goes right, So we
did everything you're supposed to.
Speaker 5 (36:16):
I gotta be honest with you. It sounds like mud
baby versus silverspoon. Broh, just the tone of its expensiveness
and nature of it. It just sounds like, you know,
mud babies are mud babies and silverspoon people are.
Speaker 4 (36:30):
Silverspoon Miami of Ohio, coach listen, man, let me put
you up on something. Coach Martin, you had a really
good kicker that could go to Alabama, enter the portal
and make some money.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
You should be happy for him.
Speaker 4 (36:46):
You developed a kicker and he was able to leave
and get nil money.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
Or make sure.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
You should be happy. You should be happy.
Speaker 4 (36:55):
You should be happy instead of over here pouting, Oh
they stole our.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
Kicker, like what like where they do this at like
they stole up.
Speaker 4 (37:04):
No, you developed a kid, enabled him to make some
nil money. You should be happy for that player. And
this is what I'm talking about. These coaches are selfish.
They're selfish because they'll make millions, millions of dollars on
the backs of these kids. But let a kid look
after himself and make a million. Now it's a problem.
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I bet if another school came to coach Martin and said, hey,
we want to offer you a little more that you're
making that a Miami of Ohio. Did that school steal
him or did he choose to leave?
Speaker 5 (37:42):
Hey, let me ask you this because I know it's
a short This is a short segment, but we've got
so much meat on all pause, on all of the
bones for these topics that we've been talking about TJ.
We look at what junior colleges have represented, right, and
junior colleges have always been the de development ground for
major colleges to say, Okay, this guy need a.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
Little bit more time. Boom boom boom bringing in you.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Know something about the Juco the jew Co route.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
Man, you know my son play that lack of one?
Speaker 2 (38:10):
Well yeah, yeah yeah, and your babies?
Speaker 3 (38:15):
Yeah, mud baby, there you go. I'm sure he'd love
to hear that.
Speaker 5 (38:18):
Can we get that, mud baby? I'm sure he gonna
love that. You see how big you done? Got to
make sure you check out the watch that on I
G you need to be trained go to him. Hey, listen, though,
all I'm saying is, don't you think N I L
and Transfer Portal mixed together? That's a mixed drink that
says that if you're not a power five that you
(38:39):
are now in that sense, a juco type of college
where you're developing a player to be taken away to
go to a power five.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Is that?
Speaker 3 (38:48):
Can we agree on that at least in the person hour.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
But that's a good thing for the player.
Speaker 4 (38:52):
Okay, it may not be a good thing for the
coach of that program that's losing a good player. But
if it's about developing these kids to get them to
the next level, developing these kids to make them better
human beings for life, they're going out to make money
that they otherwise couldn't make if they were with you.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
If they could make it with you, they probably would stay.
If you, coach, if.
Speaker 4 (39:16):
It matters to you that much, start a nil fund,
donate some of your salary to that fund. I bet
you won't do that. I bet you won't do that.
And so I don't have a problem with it. Because
the player, he's a kicker. If he doesn't make it
to the league, he got some nil money. I'm happy
for him. Mm hm, Well that's TJ. Hutschman Zata.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
He has brought some real passion to the table on
our one.
Speaker 5 (39:43):
He hate delivered. You know why, because he's panteen man.
When you have hair as smooth and as shiny and
as healthy as t J. Hutchman zadas Is, you bring
the pain. All right, We're gonna keep bringing it. An
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All right, listen up my man plex he's handling a
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But I do have TJ panteen. Man, you might have
to be you know, void of fully vultron connected, but
still nonetheless, I'm sure you can handle the danger that's
(02:03):
in the streets because you know, stranger to it.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
I feel like that's the truth. DJ.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
Yeah, you know, you know, I don't look for problems
at all any longer. But you said I'm not gonna
run from a problem. Yeah, I'm a good problem solver.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
I try to. Yeah, I can. How you're feeling, man?
What what what you're thinking about the weather today?
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Man?
Speaker 3 (02:24):
It's been hot.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
It's been yes, it's been hot.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
Waking up, you know, the sun is out, the skies
are clear.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Feeling good, you.
Speaker 5 (02:34):
Know, what else has been hot? Uh, the conversations coming
out of South Florida. You know I'm talking about UH.
All week long, we've been hearing about the two of
comments that where the Floor has responses. Let's get a
listen so we could get everybody who may have not
heard what Tua had to say and what coach Brian
Floor has had to say in response to it during
(02:55):
the course of the week. And I love to get
your your take on your reactions to it. Here's and
what he had to say about his former coach Brian Flores.
Speaker 6 (03:03):
To put it in simplest terms, if you woke up
every morning and I told you you sucked at what
you did, that you don't belong doing what you do,
that you shouldn't be here, that this guy should be here,
that you haven't earned this right. And then you have
(03:24):
somebody else come in and tell you, dude, you are
the best fit for this, like you are accurate, you
are the best whatever you are, this you are that.
How would it make you feel listening to one or
the other? And then you hear it. You hear it
regardless of what it is, the good or the bad,
and you hear it more and more you start to
actually believe that, I don't care who you are, you
(03:46):
could be the president of the United States. You have
a terrible person that's telling you things that you don't
want to hear or that you probably shouldn't be hearing.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
You're going to start to.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Believe that about yourself.
Speaker 6 (03:58):
And it was basically been what two years of training
that out of not just me, but you know, a
couple of the guys as well that have been here
since my rookie year all the way till now.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
M all right, that was pretty interesting.
Speaker 5 (04:12):
Now here's what Brian Floor has had to say after
he was asked about this sid statement from the quarterback
to up you.
Speaker 7 (04:21):
Know, specific to uh, you know, the comments that were
made by Tua. I just want to say, Look, I'm
genuinely happy for the success that Too has had and
I really wish him nothing but the best. And you know,
I think, you know, player relationships are very important to me.
They I think that's kind of the foundation of coaching.
Like I'm human, So that hit me in a way
(04:42):
that you know, wasn't I wouldn't say it was positive
for me, but at the same time, I know I've
got to use that and say, hey, how can I
how can I grow from that? You know, how can
I be better? Do I feel like, well that's me No, all.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Right, TJ. I had two takeaways before I let you
have it.
Speaker 5 (04:59):
One and with what Tua said, it was interesting, he said,
being said or being told something to you that you
don't want to hear. I heard that, I heard horrible
person from Floras. I heard no apology. There was no
I regret well I did. I didn't mean what I said.
(05:20):
I could have handled it in a different way in
the way that I said it. There was no apologies.
It was just that I can I can get better,
I can learn from it. And I thought those were
the things that stood out to me. Is it sounds
as though Flora has meant everything that he said to Tua,
and and it sounds as though Tua really needed a
(05:41):
different type of leadership that was going to mold him.
Not the heart knows old school way of leading, but
you know, maybe the new school way of going at things.
What was your take on what what you heard?
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Man, This here is a lot to unpack. I know.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
Oh, both Tua and Brian Flores. I'm not gonna say
I talked to him on a regular basis, because I
do not, but I've had more than one conversation with both.
Tua is one of the nicest people you will every meet,
and for the most part that Polynesian culture, that's just
how they are nice people.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Yeah, they they are nice human beings.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Yes, very family oriented.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
And so let's start with Tua.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
When you hear somebody telling.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
You you suck, you're not good, you shouldn't be here,
we actually should have it.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
After a while, it's like, bro, like, what have I
done to you?
Speaker 4 (06:46):
Like, I haven't done anything to you for you to
continuously talk to you like this, for you to continuously
put me down and mess with my confidence. You go
to Flores. Brian Flores coached thunder Bill Belichick. Bill Belichick,
(07:07):
from what we've heard, did this to Tom Brady all
the time. But Tom Brady is wired differently. Tom Brady
could take it. Tom Brady was able to use at
his motivation and it was like, oh, this is what
you think about me. I'm gonna show you everything you
(07:27):
just said is one hundred completely wrong.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Tom Brady could handle that.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
That is a toxic relationship, though to jay To what
couldn't handle it?
Speaker 2 (07:37):
So this is what happened, though, I'm glad you brought
that up.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
Relationship Tour was in a verbally abusive relationship with Brian Flores.
He gets out of that verbally abusive relationship and gets
with Mike McDaniel that is nowhere near that. It's a
verbally positive relationship. And to us sitting here like wow,
(08:07):
this is how it is to be in a relationship
with someone that treats you the way they would like
to be treated, as opposed to all the put downs
and the negativity and a stomping on my head so
to speak.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
I got to speak out about this.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
And so I just feel like Brian Flores was coaching
two of the way that he saw Belichick. He coach Brady,
and you can't do that, Like as a coach, I've
always looked at it as you teach guys, oh more
than anything, but more than anything, you're a psychologist. If
(08:50):
I'm a psychologist, I'm not going to approach you the
same way that I approach Plexico or the same way
whoever you just because everybody is so you handle it
case by case that person, and so I would have
I don't understand how Brian Floores didn't get that. But
(09:10):
when Tua said what he said, he had to reflect
on it and say wow. He could have denied it,
he could have said he accepted it, and yet he
didn't apologize, but he basically said I'm sorry without saying
I'm sorry. Like, I have to reflect on this. I
have to basically take a look in the mirror and say,
(09:33):
I gotta be better, because if Tua felt that way
and I made him feel that way.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
I'm wrong.
Speaker 5 (09:42):
All right, let me jump in on you right there,
because I'm glad you said that. If is that based
upon him having a genuineness of being sorry or is
that based off of him addressing something that I think
anyone who would be advising Brian floor As or even
his own self advisory to himself. You're talking about the
(10:05):
opportunity of trying to get another head coaching job, right,
you got to address it because if you're talking about
a guy who's playing at a franchise level, a caliber
level at this point, just gets a big, big re
up contract and you couldn't get that out of him, which,
by the way, Floraes was a winning coach. Miami has
(10:25):
not done better without floras As. The coach less. They
were one game better in the best season that Mike
McDaniel has had, and we should be.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
Clear on that they've done better. They made it. They
made it.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
They've done better just because the environment. LaVar, we're players, Okay,
but if Brian Flores talk to you how he taught
the tour.
Speaker 5 (10:54):
I've had, I've had that happen, but I've had but
you know what happened. I had that happen. You know
what happened. And I told that man what I told him.
I told him, if you talk to me like that again, exactly,
I'm going to hurt you. And I mean I'm really like.
I looked at him in his eyes and I pierced
his soul in his spirit, and I told dal lindsay,
(11:16):
straight up, straight out, old man, if you talk to
me like that one more time, one more time, I
will hurt you. And I walked away. And you know what, TJ.
That man never spoke to me another day in my life.
And we had games and listen, we had games left
and I had ended up getting my starting job back,
(11:38):
and he never he spoke to me and coached me
through war Holeman. He talked to Warck. He coached Warck.
My film would be up on the screen TJ. And
he's talking to war Coletman and making the corrections with
war Coleman. So it has happened to me, And you're right,
certain dudes are wired differently. I grew up in I
grew up in a very very urban and viyor right.
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So negativity to me was that was fuel. You talk crazy,
negativity is fuel.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
I didn't.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
I didn't. I never believe you can take that. We
can take something. We can take that, LeVar, We will.
We can deal with that. I was anything, and we're
not dealing with it every day. We're not dealing with
it every time I do something that you don't like.
Now you're about to put me down. Nah, I can
take it well when you constantly stepping on my head,
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you constantly put so down.
Speaker 5 (12:34):
So this was more about making the culture and the
environment better. It wasn't about wins and losses. It was
more about making it okay.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
Imagine, imagine, imagine how much better they could have been
if the culture around the dolphins was a positive environment.
If that environment was positive, they would have been better.
They would have been a better team. So the fact
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that he did what he did.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
It could have been way better than what it could have.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Been, a way better team.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
And I truly believe Ryan Flores coming out addressing it.
It does have something with him wanting to be a
head coach. But I've spent some time with him and
he's a good human being. But I was never around
him in that setting.
Speaker 5 (13:23):
And you know, it can be very different. My grandparent
is different when they're a regular parent person.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
And so I believe that in that sense, I believe
that's somewhat hurt his feelings that he felt like.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
He was doing right by to him. Heware of it, Yes, he.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
Was unaware that it affected him that much because he
probably felt like.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Is that is that a reasonable excuse?
Speaker 4 (13:47):
No, no, it isn't at all. That's a reasonable excuse.
That's no excuse. And so it just at that time,
I will say this, I was still one that was
defending to her. I was still saying Toua could play,
two's gonna be a good quarterback and not knowing that
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he was going through this and it was the reason
why he wasn't playing the way I thought he would
play when he was drafted out loud about Ali.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
It's a reasonable excuse for him to not be playing
well because of the way he was being treated.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
Yeah, I just feel like when you're that way, you're.
Speaker 3 (14:27):
You're going to have a boss that talk to you.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
Everybody. Everybody is not number one. You're a quarterback. Very
we'd have been in these locker rooms and meetings. I
don't know if I've ever been on a team where
the quarterback has just been put down in a meeting
ever they've been coached. I agree, Okay, Carson on this,
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on this play, we want to look here first, but
you know, make sure the protection here that we ided
this guy the you know, if this guy make sure Okay, yeah,
we can't let that happen, but yeah we'll be fine
on that.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Yeah, yeah, that type of stuff like that's.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
The I've never seen or been in the meeting room
the way tour never in my life, and so that
can be. And think about what I'm about to say
right now. Who was Tua's college coach.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
Nick Saban? Nick Sabin, same coaching, same coaching, Hold.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
Up, hold upright, Nick Saban comes off like he don't
play any games.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
If you didn't get that from Nick Saban.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
Likes giving it to you for for Tuura. He probably thought, Okay,
I played for Nick Saban. I can take anything from
any coach in the league. Oh whoa, what is bron
Flora is on? And so it had to be really
bad if Tua if it bothered him and he played
for Nick Saban.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
He played for Nick Saban and.
Speaker 5 (15:59):
Then had to come out and tell it all these
all this time later. So well, we'll see how it
all plays out.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
He got his new deal. The team looks good.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
They've added some some nice pieces and some pieces to
the coaching staff, some pieces to the the players on
the field, and it looks as though this Miami team
has the opportunity to be a really, really good ball
club this year.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
We'll see. That's t J.
Speaker 5 (16:20):
Hutchman's outa I'm LeVar Arrington plexes out. But that's all
right up on game train's gonna keep on checking along,
all right. We've got a couple, uh couple things to
talk about. Preseason is winding down.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
But we got an.
Speaker 5 (16:31):
Interesting take on the at least I do, and I
know it's gonna lead you to an interesting one from TJ.
We're gonna talk about it on the other side of
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steal that is the question. Their head coach had some
things to say, and a player that ended up leaving
another program to go there also had some things to say.
We'll talk about it, but first, right now, TJ, let's
talk about preseason. It's winding down and we're turning the
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corner and it's the home stretch of the preseason. I
think NFL preseason stinks. I think it sucks. I don't
think we need it. Maybe one game so you can
see what the guys that are on the bubble can do.
But ultimately, you can figure out who your starters are,
you can figure out what your roster is in practice,
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and you want to go up against another team, do
what these these teams out here are doing. Have a
dual team scrimmage or a practice session, so you could
go up against somebody else. But as far as having
a preseason, this is my strong take on it. You
can only hurt yourself in preseason because if you play,
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if you play, if you play well, what people gonna say, TJ. Nobody,
nobody's game planning. Nobody really cares. They're just getting your
game reps in Blase Blase, bla da da da da da.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
Game is over. Did you win the game?
Speaker 5 (19:36):
You look on the sidelines, guys eating some sunflower seeds, laughing, joking,
hoot and hollering.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Doesn't matter.
Speaker 5 (19:42):
If you won the game, doesn't matter. If you lost
the game. You know what matters if you played poorly.
The only time preseason matters is if you see a
player play poorly. So, if I'm a coach, why I'm
gonna put somebody out there like say, you know, we
have the question of why is Michael Pennix not playing.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
Why Raheem Moore is not playing? Why you're gonna play them?
There's no need to play them.
Speaker 5 (20:04):
You know what, I get to see what Michael Pennix
is able to do in practice. If you're not gonna
play Aaron Rodgers, Okay, we need to knock the rust
off Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Well I'm gonna play Aaron Rodgers. It's just a game.
He's only gonna play maybe one two series.
Speaker 5 (20:16):
It doesn't prove anything to put a guy into these
game situations, now that I'm really looking at it, and
now that mcveigen messed up the game by not playing
his starters at all in preseason, what's your take on
the TJ. I think they need to do away with
NFL preseason. Do one game, do one game, and.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
Let's move he hes I low on updates because this
is gonna take some time, because boy, do I completely
disagree with you.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Come on, I'm glad you do. Come on.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Listen to the viewers listening.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
See that is coming something that is coming from somebody
that was privileged to be drafted so high that when
the others got drafted, he was partying. Like the preseason
for guys that are late draft picks, college free agents
is everything to them, dudes, because you other how would
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you be able to prove you deserve to be on
a team. And you say practice, I do. You don't
practice with the same type of intensity. That's number one.
Number two is not one quarterback gets touched in practice.
You don't do any you don't swipe at the ball,
you don't touch the quarterback. And so certain passes that
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he may throw in a practice, he may have been sacked,
he may have to step up in the pocket, so
now he's not throwing it on time, and so the
practice is going to be completely different than a game.
I get what McVeigh has done by bringing the my
starters aren't playing. I love it because the starter has
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proven himself. The younger guys, the late round draft picks,
this is a chance for them to prove themselves. This
is a chance for them to make a team. Without
the preseason, nobody knows who I am. I'm not doing
this show with you, and so that it helps out
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so many people, because you know how many guys. Marvin
Lewis used to always say that your practice all pro, Oh,
your practice all pro? You all pro practice player? All
Pro practice player. Let me see if you can be
an all pro game player, because a lot of guys
practice well, then them lights come on and you get
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all the people on the stands and they freeze up
and they can't do it. Or there's certain guys that
just don't go hard enough in practice and then you
put them in the game and they do very well.
And so me, I like the preseason if I'm not
a starter. If I'm a starter, I don't want to
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plan the preseason. I don't. I've proven myself. I don't
need the preseason to get wet, to get better because
I'm pushing myself so much in practice. I'm pushing myself
after practice that when the season comes, I'm gonna be ready.
And so there's two sides to that, the guy that
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needs it and the guy that is going to make
sure he's ready. Dude, there's just so many players. Okay,
did you watch the Raider game last night?
Speaker 3 (23:35):
I did?
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Well, maybe you didn't. You didn't. You couldn't watch it
because your son was playing.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Yeah, I was. I was online.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
I was a line So Tyrek McAllister, he probably made
the team yesterday because of the preseason.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
He made the team he played in Canada.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
Was undrafted college free agent, the Raiders, not his first team.
He returns upunt eighty one yards. He basically catches the
ball with one hand, skirts off for a touchdown. He
may have made the team because of the preseason. If
there's no preseason games, Tarrek McAlister may be going back
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to Canada.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
He may still be going back to Canada. He may
see my whole thing. This is why.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Worst he'll be on a practice squad. At worst he'll
be on.
Speaker 5 (24:25):
I'm going to push back on you because, for what
it's worth, guys that are getting paid, guys that have
contracts generally will never get cut when there's a guy
behind them that performed better than them. I've seen it
plenty of times where guys outperformed the guy that was
on the roster already and already had a contract, and
they didn't make the team.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
You're not did not make the team.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
You're not beating a guy out by your preseason performance.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
You're you're not beating the guy starter out. You're not
gonna be the starter out, but you're gonna You're.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Gonna might not make the team. You might not make
the team, not make the team very very rarely. The
numbers game. They always say numbers game.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
You may not make that team, but you'll make somebody
else's team because you're you're playing for everybody else. Also,
you're not just playing for your team, You're playing for
the other thirty one teams. In everybody's dream, Florida State
is playing Georgia Tech right now. Everybody on Florida State's team,
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everybody on Georgia Tech's team dreams and aspirations are to
make it to the National Football League. We're just talking
two teams. We're talking two teams. All these players that
play college football their dream is to make it to
the National Football League. It's a small fraternity. Seventeen hundred players, LaVar,
seventeen hundred players. It's a small fraternity.
Speaker 5 (25:48):
And so I'm glad you mentioned that, because, for what
it's worth, if you're a rookie coming into the league,
your film from college is your resume.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
You're film in college is your resume.
Speaker 5 (26:00):
So whatever it is I'm seeing you do in practices,
quarterback position is unique, I will say that, which I
don't think they allow guys to touch quarterbacks too much
in the pros and real games anymore. You I feel
like there's such a safety halo around them that it's
questionable as to how how much more nervous a quarterback
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is during the course of a regular game.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
I'm just being honest. But for the rest of the
guys out there, every single position, whether you're a punter,
whether you are a kicker, whether you are.
Speaker 5 (26:32):
A kick returner, a punk returner, I don't really care.
You get an opportunity in practice to prove your worth.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
Now, yeah you don't, Yes you do.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Yes, guys you the stands. A lot of starters they
not even going all out in practice.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
You're if you.
Speaker 5 (26:50):
Are a starter and you have earned your starting position,
it's something that it's a part of the game. It
is what it is. They've earn't an opportunity to not
practice at time? Are we not go all out at times?
I get that, But for the most part, if you're
an incoming rookie, you're not gonna practice, Well.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
That gives me what I need to know. You might
be a gamer, but.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
When wearing practice, when we're in practice and the ball
is thrown to me down the field and I go
up to catch it, are they just gonna let me
catch it in practice or they they gonna beat at
the ball. But in the game, if I go up
to catch it, somebody is gonna somebody that's gonna hit me.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Somebody's gonna hit me.
Speaker 5 (27:30):
The better question is are they in position to make
the play. It's all subjective to make and I may
make the play in practice, you can be in position.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
You prove me wrong in a game situation, then that
could cost you your job.
Speaker 5 (27:46):
But I'm not trying to come up with all these hypotheticals.
My whole thing is if I'm not playing my starters
in preseason, I do not need three games to try
to figure out if I'm gonna bring three or four
guys onto an active roster and a couple other guys
maybe five or six or whatever it may be, onto
my practice squad.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
I can figure that out in practices.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
And you know, the practice squad rosters when we played
LeVar was five guys, five, five or six. Yeah, it's
way more than that now, Okay, so there you go
way more.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
No, and you want to practice squad pure.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
For the right players, you are a practice squad guy.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
Don't put that on the fact that I was drafted early.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
It is right there.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
I am dealt baby, I'm a mud baby, and you not.
Right now in this situation, you can't. You can't relate it.
Speaker 5 (28:44):
All I'm gonna say is I practiced outside of my
rookie year. I practiced harder and prepared harder than everybody
I did ame rookie year outside of the scene. I'm
saying my preparation of it. But but I hear what
you're saying. But what I'm telling you is is that
a guy in practice, there's nine on seven half lines,
there's one on ones. Yes, they're competing. They're not going
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to just let you catch the ball in one on ones.
They're competing to get the ball out once or not
on one on ones.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
One on ones, that's an offensive drill. I'm winning, okay.
But that defensive player.
Speaker 5 (29:17):
If it is live man on man, live rep, he's
on one seven seven.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
He's gonna get beat ninety okay, saying if you.
Speaker 5 (29:25):
Don't beat him ninety three percent of the time, I'm
making my judgments of you off of him.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
You not beating him nine time.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
There are certain players, and i'll say receivers, that they
are just gamers. You throw the ball up, it's two
guys around they come down with the ball, then that's.
Speaker 5 (29:42):
Something you gotta live with as an organization. That's something
you got if you made the wrong decision. And that
happens all the time.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
It ain't about the organization.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
That happens all the time is about this is about
young men trying to live out a dream in these But.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
There's somebody else that's going to take that job.
Speaker 5 (29:57):
So that that that person that practice better than him
doesn't deserve to have the opportunity.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Because he practiced better and this guy in the game
played better.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
I'm not saying he doesn't deserve it.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
I'm saying the better player that may win that fifty
to fifty ball in the game is in getting a
shot that he probably deserves. Yeah, because when you obviously
take one over another, it's like, hey, well one guy's
dream has been shattered.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Because if a tree calls in.
Speaker 5 (30:22):
The forest and no one's there to hear it, make
you fall down, doesn't make a sound to me. You're
you're making an argument and a discussion point about these
two dudes, all things given, all things equal, he made
more plays in practice the other guy didn't.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
If they're both rookies, if they are both rookies, and
this guy is practicing better.
Speaker 5 (30:44):
If I have any doubt that, Okay, this guy may
be more of a gamer than he is a practice guy.
And this guy may be more of a practice guy
than a gamer. Then I have to choose from the
film that I have with them for the reason why
they're here in the first place. I have to take
that information from the film of which they put down
as their resume.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Which is probably college film.
Speaker 5 (31:06):
I'm looking at that, and I'm basing my decisions off
of what they did in game situations in college and
based off of what I see with my own eyes.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
Yes, yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 5 (31:18):
You're not You're not getting that. You're saying you're getting
that information in preseason games.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
I called you are you are? You are?
Speaker 3 (31:25):
Yes? I disagree, strongly disagree.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
I strongly disagree. That's why we should have got the
ILOs earlier.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
Strongly.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
Oh I wish see, I wish I wish Plexico was
here because he's he's also a silver spoon baby.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
I'm the only one. I'm the only baby in this one.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
Hey, well here, let's bring another mud baby on.
Speaker 5 (31:45):
Hey, Isaac Glow and Crown, let's get enough day sir,
make sure it's real murdy, and make make sure it's
real dirty.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
You know what I mean? What you got well.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
I got his.
Speaker 9 (31:54):
I agree with TJ. Back to your official start in
the twenty twenty four college football season at Dublin, Ireland,
where right now, tenth ranked Florida State has an eight
to seven lead over Georgia Tech three point fifteen left
to play. In the first quarter, Florida State's Lawrence toa
(32:15):
filly a twenty eight yard touchdown run four minutes into
the game. Brian Courtney then ran in the two point conversion,
but Georgia State came back. Haynes King completed a forty
two yard pass to Malik Rutherford down to the Florida
State thirteen yard line, setting up a one yard touchdown
run off a direct snap by Georgia Tech's Zach Pyron.
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In Major League Baseball Friday night, Shohei Otani reached the
forty forty club his fortieth stolen base in the bottom
of the fourth inning and then a game winning grand
slam in the bottom of the ninth inning for his
fortieth home run to beat the Tampa Bay Rays seven
to three. As Otani became the fastest in Major League
history to reach the forty to forty club finally fell
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this later TOD and NFL preseason action. The Los Angeles
Chargers will be visiting the Dallas Cowboys, and on Friday
night at the Chargers team hotel, fifteen Chargers players and
staff members got stuck in an elevator. The elevator got
stuck in what is known as a blind shaft, in
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which the top of the elevator car is at least
ten feet below the closest door opening. The Dallas The
Dallas Urban Search and Rescue Team had to be deployed
and had to help everyone out through the elevator's ceiling panel.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
Oh wow, LaVar.
Speaker 9 (33:38):
And TJ, I'm sure you guys would have handled that
situation with great a plumb back to you.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Yeah, well, I'm taking the stairs from here on now.
Speaker 4 (33:48):
If that ever happens to me, I'm walking up and
down the stairs, moving forward.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
Me to baby. Even the fiftieth floor.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Fiftieth floor is going to be great exercise to get.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
Your steps in your luggage, all right.
Speaker 5 (33:59):
Yeah see, like I said, I strongly disagree with you
and ISLA. Thank you for the update. Mud boys. Thank y'all,
Thank you, thank you. Hey, listen, kayleb to bobies the
Alabama team. Did they steal or did they not steal?
Speaker 3 (34:16):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (34:16):
We're going to talk about on the other side of break.
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Speaker 2 (34:54):
That's right.
Speaker 5 (34:55):
Okay, speaking of mud babies, one went from the mud
to the four star Hotel fast Our Hotel.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
TJ.
Speaker 5 (35:01):
Chuck Martin of Miami, Ohio. Hey, coach felt as though
there was a theft that took place and that well,
if they were the team that the other team was,
that they went and had lost this player. In fact,
they felt as though losing was the wrong word. Stealing
was more appropriate. Let's take a listen of Chuck Martin
(35:23):
and what he had to say. Hey, coach Miami of Ohio.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
All right, special teams lost your kicker.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
Carter's we didn't lose them. He's at Albama. We know
exactly where he's at.
Speaker 10 (35:32):
Like again, you im mediate people, it's all pretend like, no,
Alabama stole our kicker illegally, they illegally recruited. They illegally
recruit our kicker and stole them from us, and like
that's that's a fact. But that's that's called. But we
act like it's not. We live in this la la world, like, hey,
let's not talk.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
I don't know why.
Speaker 10 (35:49):
Everybody knows what's going on. So, yeah, Alabama stallar kicker.
A couple of a couple of other schools try to
steal them, but they think, okay, what's the.
Speaker 5 (35:57):
Question, man, He felt very strongly about, to which Caylin Deboor,
Alabama's head coach, had this to say about it.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
I don't know anything about that. I guess that comment. Yeah,
I mean he entered the portal and we reached out
to him. So that's how it goes right, So we
did everything you're supposed to.
Speaker 5 (36:16):
I gotta be honest with you. It sounds like mud
baby versus silverspoon. Broh, just the tone of its expensiveness
and nature of it. It just sounds like, you know,
mud babies are mud babies and silverspoon people are.
Speaker 4 (36:30):
Silverspoon Miami of Ohio, coach listen, man, let me put
you up on something. Coach Martin, you had a really
good kicker that could go to Alabama, enter the portal
and make some money.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
You should be happy for him.
Speaker 4 (36:46):
You developed a kicker and he was able to leave
and get nil money.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
Or make sure.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
You should be happy. You should be happy.
Speaker 4 (36:55):
You should be happy instead of over here pouting, Oh
they stole our.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
Kicker, like what like where they do this at like
they stole up.
Speaker 4 (37:04):
No, you developed a kid, enabled him to make some
nil money. You should be happy for that player. And
this is what I'm talking about. These coaches are selfish.
They're selfish because they'll make millions, millions of dollars on
the backs of these kids. But let a kid look
after himself and make a million. Now it's a problem.
(37:28):
I bet if another school came to coach Martin and said, hey,
we want to offer you a little more that you're
making that a Miami of Ohio. Did that school steal
him or did he choose to leave?
Speaker 5 (37:42):
Hey, let me ask you this because I know it's
a short This is a short segment, but we've got
so much meat on all pause, on all of the
bones for these topics that we've been talking about TJ.
We look at what junior colleges have represented, right, and
junior colleges have always been the de development ground for
major colleges to say, Okay, this guy need a.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
Little bit more time. Boom boom boom bringing in you.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
Know something about the Juco the jew Co route.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
Man, you know my son play that lack of one?
Speaker 2 (38:10):
Well yeah, yeah yeah, and your babies?
Speaker 3 (38:15):
Yeah, mud baby, there you go. I'm sure he'd love
to hear that.
Speaker 5 (38:18):
Can we get that, mud baby? I'm sure he gonna
love that. You see how big you done? Got to
make sure you check out the watch that on I
G you need to be trained go to him. Hey, listen, though,
all I'm saying is, don't you think N I L
and Transfer Portal mixed together? That's a mixed drink that
says that if you're not a power five that you
(38:39):
are now in that sense, a juco type of college
where you're developing a player to be taken away to
go to a power five.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Is that?
Speaker 3 (38:48):
Can we agree on that at least in the person hour.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
But that's a good thing for the player.
Speaker 4 (38:52):
Okay, it may not be a good thing for the
coach of that program that's losing a good player. But
if it's about developing these kids to get them to
the next level, developing these kids to make them better
human beings for life, they're going out to make money
that they otherwise couldn't make if they were with you.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
If they could make it with you, they probably would stay.
If you, coach, if.
Speaker 4 (39:16):
It matters to you that much, start a nil fund,
donate some of your salary to that fund. I bet
you won't do that. I bet you won't do that.
And so I don't have a problem with it. Because
the player, he's a kicker. If he doesn't make it
to the league, he got some nil money. I'm happy
for him. Mm hm, Well that's TJ. Hutschman Zata.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
He has brought some real passion to the table on
our one.
Speaker 5 (39:43):
He hate delivered. You know why, because he's panteen man.
When you have hair as smooth and as shiny and
as healthy as t J. Hutchman zadas Is, you bring
the pain. All right, We're gonna keep bringing it. An
hour two.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
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