Andy Furman Bucky Brooks and Mike Harmon talk College Football Week 1, NFL Week 1 Preview, and So Much More!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
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partner and friend, the one and only Bucky Brooks.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
He's back. Hello, Buck, how are you?

Speaker 4 (00:40):
I'm good Andy. What's going on? How you doing?

Speaker 2 (00:41):
I missed you? I missed you. I really did. I'm
nothing without you.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
Know that.

Speaker 3 (00:47):
You know your back hurts all the time because you
carry me every week. That's it.

Speaker 4 (00:52):
We hear now. I appreciate the kind of words. Man.
I'm happy to be back.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
I'm happy you hear you really are? Hey, it's here
now all of a sudden, Like you know, people think
goll September twenty first first day of fall. No fall
is here now that goes football is here. And I'm
going to say one thing right now, No one's going
to talk about this all day long on Fox Sports
Radio or anyplace else. The biggest upset of the day yesterday,
the biggest day, the biggest game. Vanderbilt and overtime beats

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va Tech thirty four to twenty seven and ot Vandy
misses the the field goal with like no time left
to go with the extra period overtime. Vanderbilt over Virginia
Tech yesterday. Who the funk that years ago? That's a
huge win for the Commodores. Enough said. But I thought
that was the biggest game of the day yesterday.

Speaker 3 (01:35):
I really do.

Speaker 4 (01:37):
Well, I'm kind of with you. It was. It was.

Speaker 5 (01:39):
It was a crazy upset because Vanderbilt has been kind
of down, up and down in the last couple of years.

Speaker 4 (01:43):
With Carl you can say, good job, No, I can't
see that was. It is terrible.

Speaker 5 (01:48):
But Virginia Tech was a team that we thought was
on the rise, and so for Vanderbilt to get that
win and to do it in an impressive fashion, good
job for the Commodoors.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
Yes all right, and next I know, Oh, you're tremendous
with picking players. You've been a scout, a coach, whatever.
My player obviously you know. But I'm going to say this.
I said this last year. I'm going to say it
here and now you can write it down. If I'm wrong,
I'll be the first to tay you I'm wrong. I
think the Heisman Trophy winner is going to be Ali
Gordon from Oklahoma State.

Speaker 3 (02:17):
He's the only.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
Non quarterback guy in that whole pack with people saying
these are Heisman candidates. Yesterday, Oklahoma State rolls over South
Dakota State, no surprise there, forty four to twenty. But
Ali had twenty seven carries for one hundred and four
yards and two touchdowns. Your take on that, because if
you give me the blessing that, I feel a lot
better because I think Oli Gordon is a Heisman Trophy winner.

Speaker 4 (02:39):
I think he's a Heisman Trophy candidate. I do not
believe he's going to be the winner.

Speaker 5 (02:42):
It's a quarterback award, so the hottest quarterback is going
to be rewarded. And this year there's some quarterback candidates
that are going to have a lot of attention because
they're going to be on national TV and people are
going to see them.

Speaker 4 (02:55):
Sure, there are saying this is from.

Speaker 5 (02:57):
Colorado, it's going to be one three over four hundred
yards in his first game. Quinn yours from Texas is
going to be another.

Speaker 4 (03:04):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (03:04):
We saw how spect tackler he was in their effort
in a win. And then Dylan Gabriel who threw for
almost four hundred yards even though it was a squeaker
for Oregon and knockoff Idaho. I just think there are
too many notable names that are going to command attention
at quarterback. That's gonna leave my man, Oli Gordon out.

Speaker 4 (03:25):
In the runners up circle.

Speaker 3 (03:27):
Well we'll see what I'm gonna push, Volly Gordon.

Speaker 4 (03:29):
I liked the Big O.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
The Big O is a definitely a candidate, no doubt
about that. Now let's get back to this not j
Dain game, because you know people are saying it was
it was a tough game.

Speaker 3 (03:38):
It was a close game.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
I get it.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
I mean there was some mistakes quarterbacking on Texas A
and M and I nt Over. There a couple of fumbles.
I mean, but here's the deal. You know everybody was shocked.
I don't know why. The game was a shocker because
Notre Dame, at least going into the game I think
was rank seventh, and A and AM was ranked twentieth.

Speaker 3 (03:55):
It shouldn't have been that close.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
Although again, you know, going into the season, I kind
of throw those preseason rankings out the window because I
don't know how on Earth you could rank a team
that hasn't played yet.

Speaker 3 (04:05):
That's all I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
So you know, the twenty three to thirteen score tie
big time towards d end. I think Jeremiah Love had
ay twenty one yard touchdown run the game's couple less
couple of minutes, and it pushed the Iris over them
Texas A and M down there. It was a home game,
So I just don't understand why people are so shocked,
don't you. Dame should have won that game as far

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as the rankings are concerned.

Speaker 5 (04:29):
I mean, I think, like one, Notre Dame, so everyone
is the brand name, right is you know, the fighting areage.
They've done it for so long, so many people want them.

Speaker 4 (04:39):
To be back.

Speaker 5 (04:40):
They started out number seven, and so the huge expectations
over what this team could and should be. I give
them a ton of credit. I think their coach Marcus
Freeman at the end of the game just talked about
how he told this team it was gonna be a
tough battle Texa in is also a ranked team and
that was gonna be a fourth quarter affair. And for
them to get to win, for them to do it
in the fourth quarter, to win with quarterback, even though

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he's an experienced quarterback, I think it says a lot
about them. But Andy, early in the season, no one
really knows who's what because without preseason games, I mean,
you just.

Speaker 4 (05:12):
Don't know how your team is going to respond Week one.

Speaker 5 (05:15):
For Notre Dame to get that win against a really
tough team still making a transition into Mike Elko has
off to Marcus streaming in the Irish.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
All Right, this is a story that I think deserves
a lot of attention. And I'm not so concerned about
the score, but the story itself. I'm talking about the
Georgia game. Georgia has not lost the game like now
in a thousand days. It's unbelievable. They're rolling there thirty
four to three over Clemson, and they really gave it
to Clemson yesterday. But the big question I have is
what's going on with Clemson. That's the question I have.

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You know, the days of Trevor Lawrence aren't there, Sammy Watkins,
isn't there a DeAndre Hopkins?

Speaker 3 (05:49):
Those days are gone? All right? I get that.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
But when Dabo Sweeney, the coach of Clemson, says that
he's not going to get a transferred player from the
portal because he doesn't believe college player should he get paid,
he might be in the wrong profession.

Speaker 3 (06:01):
Really, I'm serious. I mean, he might be in the
wrong deal.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
You got if you want to compete, if you want
to win, And he's going to be on the hot
seat big time down there in Clemson, not so much
because of the loss, but because of his philosophy that
he did not have one transfer player in the portal era,
you know, playing for Clemson. I don't get it. I mean,
do you know anything about the situation there at Clemson
with Dobbo Sweeney. I know he's true to his word.
I've read a lot about Dabbo over the years. He's

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a Bible thumping kind of guy. He takes his guys
to church on Sunday. I understand all that. I'm not
saying good, better and different, just just what he does,
but maybe he just has a belief that he is
going to pay players, and in this day and age,
if you don't, you're out.

Speaker 5 (06:38):
Really maybe, you know, there's a part of me that
kind of hopes that Dad Boy was able to win
because he's trying to do it with homegrown products, right,
He's trying to do it with high school players that
he recruits to grow and develop into a team that's
capable of competing with the big dogs.

Speaker 4 (06:58):
Because the transfer portal has.

Speaker 5 (07:01):
Eliminated, I won't say eliminated, has really drastically reduced the
amount of opportunities that are available for high school players. I'm
pulling for Dabbo for that reason. But in the era
that we're in, it's going to be hard for Dabbo
to consistently compete with the heavyweights if he doesn't have

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players that are.

Speaker 4 (07:23):
Ready to play at that level.

Speaker 5 (07:25):
So when you got the Georgia's and the Alabama's and
the Ohio states of the world taking the top players
from all of the other superpowers, and so you load
it with four and five stars, it can make it.

Speaker 4 (07:37):
Hard for mature four or five star players.

Speaker 5 (07:42):
Hard like for immature four stars to deal with the
mature version, meaning older guys that are established that have
played well at the college game.

Speaker 4 (07:50):
It's hard for young players to compete at that level.

Speaker 5 (07:52):
And what we saw was a Clemson team that hung
in there four half and then the talent took over.
And for Dabbo, it will be like that for most
of the year against those top teams, because they're good
enough to compete for about a half, but then the
experience and the expertise takes over. And that's what you
have when it gets to the second albs. And that's

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why Georgie was able to walk away from the Clemson
Tigers in the second half.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
Your response and your reasoning is right on spot on.
That's not going to farewell with a lums of Clemson. Really,
it really won't. I mean, they lose, He's gone. I
mean just just there's no other way around that.

Speaker 4 (08:29):
I mean.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
And this team had been to some pretty lofty heights
over the last several years and now they've kind of
dipped a little bit, and what they look like yesterday
looked like kind of a half the team they were
years ago. And it's all about the players, and you
don't pay the players, you're not going to win that's
what it's all about. You're talking about Heisman candidates. Seemed
looking about Carson Beck in that game. Is he threw

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for almost two hundred and eighty yards and two touchdowns.
You know, yeah, he's gonna get some Heisman votes. And
Georgia looks like they're rolling, and you know, they don't
know what it's like to lose. They may not lose
a game this year.

Speaker 5 (09:01):
Well you got to remember to think about Georgia. Georgia
should have been included in the playoff last year, right
they had a late loss. They kind of kept them out.
They didn't mollywap Florida State in a bowl game. They
kind of let you know how they were still smarting
from that loss. They entered the preseason ranked number one.
People talk about Ohio State, but really, look, it begins

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and ends with Georgia. When Georgia is playing their game.
The few teams in the country that can match who
they are and what they're about, and so their physicality,
their toughness, their discipline, the fact that Kirby Smart has
guided his team to back to back national titles in
his past. He has that pedigree, He knows what it
takes to build a winner. You saw it on display.
And for Clemson, I think it's an example of how

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quickly things can turn.

Speaker 4 (09:48):
In a sport that is really driven by recruiting.

Speaker 5 (09:51):
The quarterback position for Clemson has not been the same
since Trevor Lawrence left.

Speaker 4 (09:56):
They've not been able to feel that void.

Speaker 5 (09:58):
And the thing that made clemp seeing great is they
had three quarterbacks that were really good in secession.

Speaker 4 (10:04):
They had TODJ.

Speaker 5 (10:05):
Boyd, they had Deshaun Watson, then they had Trevor Lawrence.
And that team is driven by the play of the quarterback.
Georgia is not a team that's driven by the player
of the quarterback. They're driven by the player of their
stars at other positions. And so Dabbo just may have
to tweak his model to where when he's recruiting he

(10:25):
puts a little more emphasis on some of the other
positions until he's able to find that five star quarterback
that's able to get him over the hump.

Speaker 3 (10:33):
Yeah, and I hope they give him that time. I
really do. I think that.

Speaker 4 (10:35):
I know. Here's the thing.

Speaker 3 (10:37):
He seems like a good guy.

Speaker 4 (10:38):
Yeah, here's the thing, Andy.

Speaker 5 (10:40):
The buyout after this year is sixty million dollars anywhere.

Speaker 3 (10:45):
He's not going to.

Speaker 5 (10:46):
Yeah, after twenty twenty six it drops down, but it
only drops down to fifty seven million. So the Clempson
people can complain, But Dabo Sweeney's gonna get eleven million
a year for the next five, six, seven years.

Speaker 4 (10:59):
That's just that's what it is.

Speaker 5 (11:01):
And look, there are a lot of people that will
wish look who are not who are okay with devils
Sweeney failing, And part of that is because some of
his stands is on certain things. Some of people are
maybe turned off by the Bible thumping waves or whatever.

(11:24):
They don't like his old school comments when it comes
to transfer and stuff like that. But they got to
sit and watch him in oorngs because he's gonna run
down the hill for the next decade.

Speaker 4 (11:31):
He's gonna be there.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
Well, you mentioned that he needs to get a good quarterback.
You know that brings up another question that I have
on my mind. Yesterday, Michigan the defending champs, they play
Freshno State. I don't think there'd be a problem in
that game, thirty to ten. They rolled over them. However,
the quarterback situation was Davis Warren.

Speaker 3 (11:48):
This kid was a walk on.

Speaker 2 (11:49):
How does a walk On become a starting quarterback and
like the former number one team in the land, that
to me blows me away. The walk On I mean,
you know about Dabo Sweety, can't get a I'm on
the transfer. He's got this kid's will walk on it.
He's starting for Michigan. I mean then they took him
out after a while, obviously, but still in all I
don't get it. I mean, how are things that bad

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at Michigan that I have to get to walk On
to start a quarterback?

Speaker 5 (12:14):
Well, one, I don't want to disparage walk Ons, because
walk Ons are guys that take advantage of opportunities where
they may have been overlooked heading into the you know,
in the recruiting scheme.

Speaker 4 (12:25):
The other part about.

Speaker 5 (12:26):
It is like, depending on what Sharon Moore was looking
for in a starting quarterback, David Warren may have been
able to give him that. Maybe he want it smart
to someone who is more of a game manager, who
could execute the offense and not really have a playmaker
in the thing. The other thing, when it came to
the other quarterback, Oji, it's about do you believe that

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he's ready to handle all the pressures that come with
being the quarterback. Sometimes it's easier to bring that guy
off the bench, let the game kind of get going,
let the game get into a flow, then insert them
when some of the nerves kind of been calmed down. Look,
it's a situation where I feel like everyone that watches
Michigan is always going to be upset because they play

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a throwback style that is not necessarily popular with the fans.
Everyone wants to see the ball flying in the air
and high flying and it's fun and exciting, and that's
not how Michigan wins games. You know, I find it
funny that they want thirty to thirteen, but everyone is
complaining about the quarterback and all that other stuff. Instead
of appreciation, it's appreciating the fact, Like, look, the defense
played pretty well in wink Martindale's debut. Offensively, they were

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able to run the football and they got it done
in the fourth quarter. This is how Michigan football looks.
It's never going to be a runaway or whatever. It's
always going to be a little ugly. But they still
find themselves in the winter circle.

Speaker 3 (13:46):
Right, And you talked about wink markin Nail's day debut.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
What about Chip Kelly's debut as a new offensive coordinator
at Ohio State. At the Ohio State University, they rolled
over Akron fifty two to six. And you know what,
I get it, Achron, you know, and Buck, I'm going
to tell you right now. I look at these schools
and I could kick myself because so many schools like
Tennessee rolled over Chattanooga. I could have played for some
of those schools, Bucky Brooks, I could have played there. Really,

(14:11):
I could have been something, really, And I don't know
why I never looked at the even my namesake school, Furman.
I could have played for these schools, right, And they
played Old Miss that got killed yesterday, Firman against Old Miss.

Speaker 3 (14:23):
But you know what, I blew it. I blew it.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
But you know, if I had a buddy like you
growing up who played football, you would have tagged me along,
say look, come on, tryal for the team. I could
have played for a smaller school. But you know that's it.
You know, maybe in another life I will. But Ohio
State looked tough and they received Jeremiah Smith had two touchdowns,
number one, number one, number two in the class of
receivers last year, so Ohio States could be tough. They

(14:46):
could be the national champs this year. But again I'm
not judging against Akron because that's the school I could
have played for.

Speaker 4 (14:53):
No.

Speaker 5 (14:53):
But the thing about Ohio State is they bring on
Ship Killy as the off coordinated, a guy who left
his head coaching position at UCLA to be an offensive coordinator.
Forgot it was a former player and a close friend.
The other thing that Ohio State has done is they've
upgraded their personnel. They have been one of the teams
that have really lived in a transfer portal when it

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comes to taking top talent from other schools. So you
think about that big old payroll in the salary cap
era that we're not living in in college. They've been
able to take advantage of that, and so they have
the best roster that money can buy. The thing that
you have to wonder about with Ohio State is everyone
is waiting until they played Michigan at the end of
the season. And then the other part of Ohio State

(15:38):
is how do they fare when they have to take
on the big boys in the playoff? Namely, what does
it look like when they have to face off against Georgia.
Because right now, I don't care what anyone says Michigan
was a national champ, but everyone is measuring themselves against
the Georgia Bulldogs. It is clear and apparent. Over the
last three to four years they've been the most dominant
team in football, and the only way you're going to

(16:02):
beat them is you have to be able to play
outplay them.

Speaker 4 (16:06):
In their style. Can you be more physical than them?

Speaker 5 (16:10):
Can you go toe to toe with a heavyweight puncher
that not only has the ability to throw haymakers, but
they can knock you out with relentless body blows. That's
the Georgia Bulldogs, and most teams aren't able to deal
with their physicality and toughness over four quarters. Yeah, they're
extremely talented, but it's the toughness in the physicality that
stands out to me when I watched it.

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Speaker 2 (16:35):
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a second. As I mentioned coming into the segment, it's
more than W's and l's and I didn't even touch
on that yet, but we will do that.

Speaker 3 (16:48):
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Now here's my idea if I may you know wins

(18:43):
and losses are great, and everybody judges a team by
the wins and losses. I think that there should be
some sort of a formula where they judge the team
on the toughness of their schedule. Tell me I'm crazy,
but maybe I'm not. I looked at the SEC games
right now, book, the toughest schedules right now, USC, Florida Tennant.
Florida's at Tennessee, Georgia's at Texas, USC schedule, LSU they

(19:05):
got at Michigan, they got Notre Dame. Michigan's got Texas, Oregon,
they're at Ohio State, UCLA schedule at LSU, Oregon, Penn State.
So I looked at the toughest schedules of last year
and the toughest schedules of this year. Last year the
top three Virginia, Michigan State.

Speaker 3 (19:24):
And believe it or not, Arizona State. And this year
the toughest schedules.

Speaker 2 (19:28):
This is unbelievable, really, Florida number one, UCLA two, USC three,
Georgia Tech four and guess who's five, the Cougars of Houston.
So I mean, there's gotta be something weighted in there.
Postseason bids, so to speak, playoff opportunities to have the
toughness of their schedule locked in there, because it's just

(19:51):
more than wins and losses, and it's more than just
winning your conference.

Speaker 4 (19:54):
Don't you agree, Yeah, I mean there has to be
waited in there.

Speaker 5 (20:00):
O Wise, teams are going to stop scheduling tough games
early in the year. The one thing that the twelve
team playoff does though, it gives you a chance if
you lose early, you still have an opportunity to climb
back into the postseason field. Before, losses were detrimental, not
necessarily early, but later. So you had to pick and
choose how you schedule was comprised depending upon the level

(20:21):
of talent within your conference. You didn't want to overschedule
and beat yourself up and not give yourself a chance
to be one of the last team standing at the end.
It'll be interesting to see how these SEC teams and
the Big Ten teams, because those are the two best
conferences in terms of loaded with personnel, how they elect
to play their non conference games. Do they go for
the tough schedule or do they kind of sprinkled with

(20:42):
cupcakes and allow their league record their conference games to
kind of do the talking when it comes to how
good they are.

Speaker 3 (20:50):
Right, So let's look at this for a second.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
We look at the toughest schedule, and we look at
the University of Houston at number five during the Big
Twelve right now, So say they have two or three maybe, man,
they're two losses in the Big Twelve, but they're not
gonna win the Big Twelve conference? Do they get the
bid because they're the toughness of their schedule? I think
they probably be overlooked because of the other teams that
have one loss or no losses that will take that
before the Cougars of Houston. That's why I think you

(21:15):
have to weigh in the toughness of the schedule.

Speaker 5 (21:18):
Yeah, I mean, I think they certainly will have some
kind of formula, right, like have a formula for what
they want to do and how they want to.

Speaker 4 (21:24):
Do it and those things.

Speaker 5 (21:26):
It'll be important that you reward the teams that play
and knock off the hard teams, because otherwise, why would
you be incentivized to play a tougher schedule in the future.
There has to be something kind of in the books
that enables teams to benefit from playing a tough schedule.
Otherwise teams will drop all their tough games and just

(21:47):
wait for the league games to play and let you know,
put it on the voters or the people that are
evaluating the talent to determine what's good and what's not.

Speaker 2 (21:58):
We heard some rumblings about that a couple of weeks
ago when USC said they may drop the Notre Dame game.
Remember they said that the coaching staff at USC and
it may happen.

Speaker 4 (22:06):
Yeah, yeah, it may happen.

Speaker 5 (22:09):
And it could be a thing where you do that
because you're trying to make sure that you don't overpopulate
your schedule with tough games, right because if you feel
like the league is gonna be tough enough, and we
look at the Big Ten and we just think about
off the top of our head, Ohio State, Michigan are
gonna be tough, that some other teams that could emerge

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as tough teams, like Nebraska could be a tough team
and the Big Ten all of a sudden with their
quarterback Dominic Ryola. So there, I mean, there's some other
teams that you don't want to have to deal with
Penn State and all those other teams. So that I mean,
depending on what you have on your Big ten schedule. Yeah,
you don't want to put too many up there. You
want to space it out. And with the length of
the schedule and with the travel that's also involved, all

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of those things have to be considerations when you're building
your schedule out.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
Right, I tell you what we're talking about the conference.
Talk about the schedule. Let's talk about the PAC twelve
four second and only two teams remain Oregon and Washington State,
all right, And my question would be this, if you're
a kid out of high school, I mean Oregon State
and Washington State. If you're a kid out of high
school and you're being recruited by one of those two teams,
why would you even go there? But there's only a
two team conference?

Speaker 3 (23:17):
Or money? You know, obstup, it's money. They throw the
money after you're gonna go there?

Speaker 5 (23:21):
I mean, no, you're I mean, but you're hoping that
it's temporary, right, that it's not gonna be permanent, that
it's a two team conference forever. You're hoping that they
eventually will find a way to have a different conference,
either they fold in all of the teams in the
Mountain West or the Whack or something. But you hope
they create some kind of conference where you're able to
get the notoriety that you want. But right now, yeah,

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it's a tough sale. It's a tough seal. If you're
Washington State and Oregon State, you're D one, you play
D one ball, but you you're without a home.

Speaker 4 (23:48):
Really that makes it tough. But if you play good ball,
people are show up.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
Anyway, I'm going to talk about the future of that
conference is so much more. He's Bucky Brooks, I'm Indy Firm,
and we are Fox Football Sunday on Fox Sports Rady
And there's a new signal caller for one NFL team
that's coming up next on Fox Live for the Tyraq
dot com studios. But first, our guy, Kevin Why with
all your sports. Yeah, I don't know if you've heard,
but college football is back. We had Week one, the

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first full Saturday of college football. Actually, ya know, we
had Week zero. That was a good little appetizer, but
we were back in full swing on a Saturday. We
did have two games featuring a matchup of two ranked
teams on Saturday, the first one in Atlanta, Georgia and Clemson,
the top ranked Bulldogs. It was just a six to
nothing lead in their favor at halftime against Clemson, but

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man that second half, it was all Georgia, outscoring the
Tigers by twenty five points in the second two quarters
as they beat Clemson at thirty four to three. Down
in College Station Notre Dame, Texas A and M, this
was a low scoring affair six ' six.

Speaker 1 (24:53):
At the half. It was six to six going well
into the third quarter and tied at thirteen, but in
the last two minutes Notre Dame scoring at ten unanswered
as Marcus Freeman and his boys get the win to
begin their season twenty three to thirteen. Elsewhere in at
college football number three Oregon, Oh That was a nail

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by iter for the Ducks over in Eugene playing FCSFO Idaho,
and it was a three point game late in the
fourth quarter, but the Ducks do survive winning at twenty
four to fourteen as Dylan Gabriel had at three hundred
and eighty passing yards and two touchdowns. Number nine Michigan.
It was a little bit of a struggle early on

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against Fresno State was actually sixteen ten, which is six
minutes to go, but Michigan does win by a score
that was much closer than it's that indicated thirty to ten,
number nineteen Miami. This was a dominating win against Florida
forty one to seventeen, seeing some of that you swagger
coming back and elsewhere in college football, Ole Miss and

(25:54):
Furman that was a shutout win. Same thing for Alabama
and Western Kentucky sixty three nothing, Texas fifty two, no
thing over Colorado State, Ohio State fifty two to six
winners against Akron in the NFL was a tragic story yesterday.
Ricky pier Saw, the rookie receiver for the San Francisco

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forty nine ers. He was shot during an attempted robbery
in San Francisco, shot in the chest as the attempted
the suspect attempted to take his Rolex watch, and the
police in San Francisco announcing that in arrest has been
made a seventeen year old juvenile from Tracy, California, and

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Tracy's about an hour hour and fifteen minutes outside of
San Francisco, So a guy from outside the area allegedly
committing that crime, according to the San Francisco Police Department.
No details other than that have been released. Presumably because
the suspect is a juvenile. Major League Baseball, with all
the hoopla of college football, we have to remember that

(26:57):
there are Pennant race is going on right now. The
wild card getting a little tighter, especially in the National League.
The Mets winning on Saturday, beating the hapless White Sox
five to three, and they taken advantage of a loss
by the Braves, the Philly shutting the Mountain Philadelphia three nothing.
So that wildcard lead four Atlanta now just sits at

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two games over. In the National League, the AL Central
one of the tighter races in baseball. Most of the
divisions are starting to widen, but that Ale Central pretty tight.
But all three of those top teams in the American
League Central losing on Saturday, the Guardians, the Royals and
the Twins all falling. So right now the division unchanged
from yesterday. Cleveland two and a half up on Kansas City,

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three and a half up on a Minnesota.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
Back to you guys, all right, thank you so much, Cochina. Now,
now is this possible? We'll explain that in just about
a minute. He is Bucky Brooks, I'm Andy Firm. We
are Fox Football. Sunday We'll have asked Bucky in about
seven eight minutes for now to put a little close
here on this PAC twelve which is now too. They've
gotten out of this partnership with the Mountain West Conference.
It's a group of five teams, so Oregon State and

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Washington State they're eligible for the seven at large bids
in the twelve team college football Playoff, and the Mountain
West they get some good cash out of this deal.
So maybe that's the future. I don't know, but you know,
if you're a Mountain West guy, you were recruited by
a Mountain West team, not a bad deal. Now you're
going to play against some big time players. I mean
only two schools, but still in all they getting some
good money for that.

Speaker 3 (28:25):
So here's the deal to talk about.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
Is it possible to have a new signal call for
one NFL team?

Speaker 3 (28:31):
All right?

Speaker 2 (28:32):
We talk about offensive coordinators. Tell me about the old
coordinators in the National Football League?

Speaker 3 (28:36):
Do they work alone? Did I work with the head coach?

Speaker 4 (28:38):
You know?

Speaker 2 (28:39):
How do they make there? Those first fifteen plays we
always hear about on TV? How do they do that?

Speaker 1 (28:45):
Well?

Speaker 5 (28:46):
I mean the offensive coordinator is responsible for coming up
with the plan and it's a collaborative effort. All the
offensive coaches kind of get together and put that together.
And typically within a coaching staff, you may have the coordinator,
but then you kind of divvy up the duties when
it comes to certain things. So one coach may be
responsible for the run game. That typically is the offensive

(29:06):
line coach and or the running back coach that are
talking about the run game and what's important whether they
want to get accomplished. You have someone who's responsible for
a third down offense.

Speaker 4 (29:16):
That might be your.

Speaker 5 (29:17):
Wide receiver coach or your quarterback coach that will sit
there and kind of come up with a here are
the best things that we have available to us on
third down. Then you'll talk about two minuted offense and
the menu and what we like. And you also will
have a little part on your sheet where you look
at your players and you're trying to figure out, hey,
who are the guys that we have to get the
ball to, And you have that on your call sheet,

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two or three little segments that may feature six to
eight plays each on how to get the ball to
my best players, whether it's a quarterback, I mean, whether
it's a wide receiver or a running back or a
tied end where you these are balls. These are plays
where we're going to make sure that they get the
ball and have an impact on the game. So the
offensive coordinator comes up with that and then he consul
us with the quarterback. A lot of times throughout the week,

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offensive coordinators and quarterbacks are meeting or having steady dialogue
about what the quarterback likes, and a lot of times
the good coordinators they defer to the quarterback based on hey, man,
I can see it, I feel it, I'm comfortable in
this play. I have a lot of confidence when we
run this play. I don't like this play. I just
don't get it how it works, and a good coordinator
will throw those things out. So it's really a collaborative

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effort between the coaches and the quarterback in terms of
what plays are called, what plays make it to the
game plan, and ultimately what the first fifteen looks like.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
I tell you why I asked you that question, because
for so many years we hear about interviews with offensive
coordinators where they're going to do, they want to run,
they want to pass. I've never heard an offensive coordinator
say he has to go and talk to the defensive
coordinator to find out what kind of defense is going
to be thrown against him on that particular week. Because
if you're playing a team that's really tough upfront, they

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got a tough up front four and you can't run
against them, maybe you're going to turn it to a
passing game more so than a running game.

Speaker 3 (31:02):
And I never really heard that.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
So the offensive coordinator, he's not just gonna lay out
the tough fifteen or first fifteen plays because he wants
to get the ball to the guys on his team
that are great playmakers. He's got to kind of coordinate, well,
who am I playing against? You know, if you're playing
against a tough defense, like they just have a tough secondary,
you know we're gonna have a tough time getting the
ball out there.

Speaker 3 (31:21):
Maybe we should run more.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
And I have never heard the offensive coordinator is saying
I have to check with the decordinator on my play selection.

Speaker 3 (31:30):
Am I off based on that?

Speaker 4 (31:32):
No?

Speaker 5 (31:33):
Okay, you're not off base, But that's not necessarily the
old coordinator's job.

Speaker 4 (31:36):
So here here's what happens.

Speaker 5 (31:38):
And I don't know if you had a specific example
when you heard offense coordinator talk, but typically what happens
is the head coach sits all of the coaches down
and early in the week when they're formulating the game plan,
they're talking about a, right, here's the team that we
have on deck. This is what they do officely, this
is what they do defensively. Offense coordinator, how do you
think you need to attack them? Defensive coordinator, how do

(31:59):
you believe that you need tack them? The head coach
as those guys are formulating their plan, he will say, hey, guys,
here's how we have to play the game to win it.
And what he'll say is, this is one where a offensively,
we may need to be a little more conservative. We
feel like we got them under control on defense, so
you don't have to really risk it for us to

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be able to win a kicking game.

Speaker 4 (32:22):
Look, we may have to.

Speaker 5 (32:24):
Do a fake punt, a kick, an onside kick to
maybe still a possession, So be on alert because we
may be overmatched. And what he'll do is he'll give
the overview on how the game needs to be played
with all three phases tied in, and then it's up
to the leaders of those three phases offense, defense, kicking
game to come up with a game plan that suits

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the head coach's vision, but ultimately it's the head coach
who determines how they balance each other up and how
they play complimentary football.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
All right, that sounds great, and I love to hear
that because I have a better understanding. However, let's go
back over here to Taylor Swift. How does she ended up?

Speaker 3 (32:59):
Pich Jerry. I'll tell you you.

Speaker 2 (33:01):
Know, last year she took the NFL by storm after
she started dating Kansas City chief tighter Travis Kelsey. All Right,
she went to many games and then they say it
became really apparent and that she got really engaged in
the game a lot deeper than just a fan on
a superficial level because she was dating Travis Kelsey.

Speaker 3 (33:18):
All right.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
She had an interview the other day with Chris Simms
of NBC previewing the kickoff game that they got to
Ravens next Thursday, and Patrick Mahomes said that Taylor Swift has.

Speaker 3 (33:31):
Been drawing up plays. I say what I mean drawing.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
I mean I couldn't draw up a play, but Taylor
Swift is drawing up plays. So she's drawing up plays.
And now it's been written that Andy Reid is really
to take place from anywhere. He's always encouraging players to
bring up ideas. He took a play from the nineteen
forty eight Rolls Ball I read, and they borrowed one
from a Green Bay janitor while he's with the Packers.

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So is it possible that Taylor Swift is going to
give Andy Reid a play that he would insert in
a game this year?

Speaker 4 (34:06):
Yes, it's very possible.

Speaker 5 (34:10):
Having played for Andy, Andy was a tied end coach
and eventually quarterback coach in Green Bay when I was
playing with the Green Bay Packers in the mid nineties. Yeah,
Andy's always been a bit of a free spirit and
a creative mind, and I think you will find that
most coordinators and coaches always willing to steal.

Speaker 4 (34:28):
Like there's nothing in football.

Speaker 5 (34:30):
That has just been invented out of the air. It
has always been taken him somewhere and maybe you add
a little spin or twist to it. So I'm not
surprised to hear him say that he would take anything,
and I wouldn't be surprised to see them run a
play that maybe Taylor Swift has drawn up and given
to Travis and Travis passes it on to Andy Reid.

Speaker 3 (34:46):
It's playly gonna happen Thursday night. I can't wait, really.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
Bucky Brooks, Andy Firmer, Fox Football Sunday on Fox Sports Radio. Now,
the NFL season starts in days from now, and we
got some questions, really, so asked Bucky at freaking next.

Speaker 7 (34:59):
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Speaker 3 (35:11):
All right, asked Bucky.

Speaker 2 (35:12):
Right around the corner, It's about twelve minutes before the
top of the hour. This is Fox Football Sunday on
Fox Sports Radio. He is Bucky Brooks and Andy Furman
and will live from the Tyraq dot Com studios. And
obviously we mentioned that the NFL season will start Thursday
evening Baltimore, Kansas City or rematches last year's playoff. And
you know we have some questions. So who better to

(35:33):
ask the Bucky Brooks.

Speaker 3 (35:34):
Are we ready to go? Let's do it? All right? Question?

Speaker 2 (35:38):
Now talking about the Green Bay Packers that the package
strike gold with their quarterback Jordan Love or is it
too soon to make that decision?

Speaker 5 (35:48):
It appears a strugg goal. But I will still say
the sample size is really small. A lot of the
excitement the big payday that he received was off of
half of the season. The last half of the season,
from Week eleven through the wild Card round, he had
what an eighteen to one touchdown in interception ratio, which
was remarkable. But it's a seven eight game sample size.

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The real measure of what Jordan Love is and what
he can be will be this season because the entire
league has had an opportunity to study his game, to
pick apart his strengths and weaknesses, and they're going to
try and make him play to his weaknesses. So how
quickly can Jordan Love counter the counter tactics that people
use against him? That will determine if he's good or

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if he can be a great player at the position.

Speaker 2 (36:35):
All right, speaking with quarterbacks, let's stick with the quarterbacks
right now. Baker Mayfield, he bet on himself after the
Cleveland Browns gave up on him. He signed low with
the Tampa Bay Bucks. Was that a good bet for him?

Speaker 4 (36:49):
Yeah? It was a great bet for him.

Speaker 5 (36:50):
You know, he was able to parlay two bad experiences into.

Speaker 4 (36:55):
I would say, a better version of himself.

Speaker 5 (36:57):
When he got the Tampa Bay The things that impacted
him Carolina and then in La has helped him become
a better player in Tampa. When he went to Tampa,
everyone would tell you humility was big on this thing.
Really ingratiated himself to the locker room. The guys loved him,
and then when it came to the play, he still
brought the energy and the confidence and swag that has

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always been.

Speaker 4 (37:20):
A part of him.

Speaker 5 (37:21):
But I think he'd been a look, he'd been humbled
by some of the failures. That has made him a
better player. That's made him better able to connect with
the guys, and I think the team rides with him
because they do know that he's kind of one of them,
while also having the cockiness and the swagger that you
need to have to be an elite QB want of
this league.

Speaker 2 (37:40):
All right, question now, who's going to take Aaron Donald's
place as the most dominant defender in the NFL this season?

Speaker 5 (37:50):
Most dominant defending in the NFL this season. That's a
tough one. I would say that there were some guys
that were already vying for that honor. Miles Garrett from
the Cleveland Browns is one, Tjat is another, and I
would say Chris Jones from the kN City Chiefs is
the third. To me, they are the three best defensive
players in the league. Some would say throw Michael Parsons
in there. We'll see about Michael Parsons and how he

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deals in Mike Zimmer's defense.

Speaker 4 (38:15):
Let's just see how Mike Zimmer alectx to use him.

Speaker 5 (38:18):
He will not be given the freedom that maybe he
was given in the previous version of the Cowboys defense,
and so that can neutralize some of his impact, some
of his splash playability.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
All right, who do you think is going to be
the twenty twenty four MVP.

Speaker 5 (38:36):
Well, the easy bet is to always go with Pat Mahomes, right,
because if you're willing to think that they're going to
go on.

Speaker 4 (38:41):
A three pete or be in the conversation. Yes.

Speaker 5 (38:44):
The other thing why Pat Mahomes would appear to be
the front running the favorite is, Look, he didn't win
in the last couple of years, and the numbers have
not been spectacular this year. They've surrounded him with Xavier Worthy,
Hollywood Brown would come into the fold. You think those
numbers would go back to what they traditionally have been.
If he puts up numbers that are forty touchdown range,
he's gonna win it again because that team is gonna

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be relevant.

Speaker 4 (39:06):
That team is going to be one of the favors
throughout the year.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
All right, Well, returning interim head coach Antonio Pierce AP
as you call him, proved to be the right move
for the Raiders this year.

Speaker 4 (39:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (39:17):
It's funny, man, because there are a lot of people
that expect an AP to fall in his face, right.
Maybe it's the bravado, Maybe it's the former player in
him and the way he cares himself that rubs people wrong.

Speaker 4 (39:26):
But I think deep down AP is a good coach.

Speaker 5 (39:29):
He's also surrounding himself with really good coaches that would
allow him to succeed Tom Coughlin being someone that is
frequently being in the Raiders' facility, You're thinking about Marvin Lewis,
who did a really good job turning around the Cincinna Bengals,
being in the building, so he has the right people
in mind, he understands how to structure it.

Speaker 4 (39:46):
The issue that could prevent AP from.

Speaker 5 (39:48):
Really thriving quarterback They don't have a quarterback, Governamnshew eight
and O'Connell. They don't have an elite quarterback and that
can keep this team from achieving. It says that the
rest of the roster could bring about if they had
a real quarterback.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
All Right, this is a biggie because I think there's
a lot of conversation in and around the league on
this question. Is the Bill super Bowl window still opened
despite those key departures on both sides of the football.

Speaker 4 (40:16):
I don't think it's open.

Speaker 5 (40:17):
This is the year where we're gonna see with Josh
Allen who Josh Allen really is. There are a lot
of people that have kind of lumped him in that
category with Pat Mahomes. We'll see if he get elevated
team like Pat Mahomes did when he didn't have all
of the weapons around him. Stefan Diggs, to me, is
a big loss. I know they've kind of been dismissive
of Stefan Diggs, but Stefan Diggs had four straight one
thousand yards season and really steadied the ship when Josh

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Allen was rocky as a young player. We'll see how
much he's improved now the Stefan Diggs is gone.

Speaker 3 (40:46):
There we go.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
All right, that's asked spucky, but right now we're gonna
call them BUCkies, diaper dandies.

Speaker 3 (40:51):
Yes, we've been that and so much more.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
Next on Fox Football Sunday, All right, BUCkies, newbies coming
right up? Yes, good morning everybody. This is Fox Football
so they Hey, it's Bucky Brooks. I'm a de firman
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Bucky Brooks, of course, the scout, the coach, the player,
the author here writes for NFL dot Com every Friday,
it's wonderful and Bucky Brooks, I'm gonna say you never
cease to amaze, never ever. And this week the newbies,
I can't believe it. It's amazing how you come up with
these these subjects.

Speaker 3 (41:35):
It's it's great, it's great reading.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
And if you're an NFL fan, you're really missing out
if you don't go to NFL dot com at least
on Friday and look where it says new scroll down,
seat bucket Brooks tremendous this week.

Speaker 3 (41:46):
It really is. Buck.

Speaker 5 (41:48):
I appreciate you, Andy, but look, I'm gonna say this,
I want you to expand your reading.

Speaker 4 (41:52):
Pat.

Speaker 5 (41:53):
So you always talk about what I do on NFL
dot Com. I would be remiss if I didn't mention
that I also write for Fox Sports dot Com, and
so that column typically comes out on Thursday. Then you
got the NFL column that comes out on Friday, and
so you have more places if you want to read
my writing. So you can go to Fox, or you
can go to NFL and catch what I'm talking about.

Speaker 3 (42:14):
All right, I didn't know that. I'm glad you told
me that I will. I would certainly do that right now.

Speaker 2 (42:18):
And this week you wrote about the newbies the diaper
dandy sort of speak, taking a page out of the
Dick Vitals deal. The rookies, how tough is it? You've
been there, done that. How tough is it for a
rookie in the National Football League? And I watched the
Hard Knocks. I don't know, it's more Hollywood than the reality.
I think maybe I'm crazy. I do like the rookie

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parties of that via when they got to get up
and sing and do that. That's kind of fun telling show.

Speaker 3 (42:44):
Yeah, did you do that too?

Speaker 4 (42:46):
I did.

Speaker 5 (42:47):
I did have to do that when I was in Buffalo.
You have to stand up, you have to give your
draft ranking in terms of like when you were drafted.
You have to talk about what your signing bonus was.
And then you have to sing a song. And sometimes
it can be the song of your choice. Sometimes they
want you to sing your fight song, but you have
to stand up and sing in front of the crew.

Speaker 3 (43:09):
What did you sing?

Speaker 5 (43:12):
Well, I sang little Red Corvette by Prince to the
masses because they did not want to hear the fight song.
That was my That was my rookie orientation. That was
my rookie deal, all right.

Speaker 2 (43:25):
And that's the only time you did that because obviously
were only a rookie once. But in Green Bay, so
they they make you, I mean, every single rookie has
to go. Is there a guy that would say, like,
I'd rather not sing, I don't want to do it.

Speaker 3 (43:36):
Have you ever seen that?

Speaker 4 (43:37):
I mean I've seen people try that.

Speaker 5 (43:39):
But then those are also the people that used to
get taped to the gold post with all kinds of
stuff put on them. So no, that's a part of
the deal, like hazing is not encouraged. But there's some
little I would say, traditions and rituals that you must
go through when you're a rookie. A lot of them
are lighthearted, right, it's nothing like it's singing. It may

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be carrying the veterans paths and those things. Some coaches
won't allow any of that to take place, right they'll say, hey,
it's a team, they're none of those things.

Speaker 3 (44:09):
But I could see Tony Dungee not allowing that for
some reason.

Speaker 5 (44:12):
I mean, yeah, there's some coaches that don't want to
do it because, like veterans will take it a little
too far. Like you hear about the things where you
talk about the rookie dinners, Like we've seen those things
float online where they post receipts of what the veterans had.
The rookies take them out, and then they run up
these extravagant bills, right, bills that are fifteen sixteen thousand dollars,
and they say, oh, we're gonna make the ricky pay.

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But ultimately, on a good team, veterans will end up
splitting that bill. But some of those things are rights
and passage, and so when you're a young guy, you
have to do certain things like, hey, you got to
bring the veterans snacks for the plane, so we would
have to run all over town to get certain things
that the veterans wanted on the plane. And you couldn't
be late to the plane, so that might require you to, Hey,

(44:54):
I got to call a Popeyes to make sure that
I have like one hundred pieces of and all this
other stuff. And then you have veterans who have certain
things like hey, I want my sweet tea with this
and not that, and it make sure you get it right.
Like little stuff like that that are commonplace, and that
stuff still exists in the league a little bit today.

Speaker 4 (45:14):
But yeah, like they're little different things that you have
to do.

Speaker 2 (45:16):
All right, let's talk about getting from college to the NFL.
I think the biggest jump would be, like you're in college.
You're playing maybe two three years varsity football. You got
to locker next to you on your left, on your right.
You know these guys, You've been with them, maybe you
even go to class with them. All of a sudden,
now you're drafted. You're going to a strange town, straight
in city, strange players and guys that are somewhat older

(45:37):
than you. In fact, in some situations like Tom Brady,
they could be as old as your died. Really, I
mean that's really, really truly, And you're meeting new people,
a new challenge. What's the biggest challenge going from college
to the pros? And I got to believe one of
them is maybe just a lifestyle. Forget about the game itself.
You've played the game, you know how to play. But

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the lifestyle on your own and meeting new people and
challenging them.

Speaker 5 (46:04):
A few things that are challenging about the league when
it comes to being a rookie. One is organizing your
time so you can get everything done that you need
to get done. The biggest challenge that you have unlike college,
like the pros, hey man, it's on you to get
to places to be on time to do all those things.
Pro coaches aren't going to hold your hands like college

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coaches sometimes will do, so you've really got to be
on it when it comes to managing your time to
get to the places that you need to get to
on time. The other thing is being a professional. And
so if I talk about timeliness and punctuality, it also
requires you to prepare each day like a professional, just
like everyone else in the country has to get ready

(46:47):
for their jobs. Playing pro sports is a job, So
you got to prepare yourself.

Speaker 4 (46:51):
For what's at hand the next day.

Speaker 5 (46:54):
And so that's studying, that's making sure you know exactly
what is expected of you the next day, making sure
you're on it. Then physically doing the things in the
weight room and not cutting corners, doing the stuff on
the field to put yourself in a position to get there.

Speaker 4 (47:08):
And then the other.

Speaker 5 (47:09):
Part of it is playing the game, and playing the
game against the best in the world.

Speaker 4 (47:13):
Right, So as much as we talk.

Speaker 5 (47:15):
About being the best player in your high school or
the best player in college, but the league is full
of the best. And so how do you compete in
a league that's the best of the best, And how
are you able to understand where you are in the
pecking order and adapt and adjust to give yourself a
chance to make the team. So I may have been
the best wide receiver in the country, but when I

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go to this team, man, I'm like the fourth or
fifth best wide receiver on the team. Can I do
something on special teams to give me a chance to
make the team And then to get a jersey on
game day so I can maybe get into the rotation.
So it's being able to have enough self awareness to
figure out what lane do I need to move into
to get myself a chance to start carving out an

(47:57):
NFL career.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
Yeah, I naturally iman when I said the term lifestyle,
because in college, you may be the big man on campus.
I mean, you're the guy. I mean everybody comes to
you when it comes to interviews, postgame interviews, they're talking
to you.

Speaker 3 (48:10):
You're the guy. You're like the.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
Face of the team. And now you're trying to make
the team. I mean that's a big change from the
big man on campus to try to make a spot
for yourself.

Speaker 3 (48:19):
On the team.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
That that's tough, it really is, and I think a
lot of people can't handle that, not to not playing
the game, but just like mentally, like you know, all
of a sudden, it was all about me. Now no
one knows my name. Now I don't even have a jersey.

Speaker 5 (48:34):
Now, depending on when you get drafted, people know your name.
And so I would say the challenge isn't that part
of it?

Speaker 4 (48:40):
Right?

Speaker 5 (48:41):
I think the challenge is keeping the main thing, the
main thing, not allowing your off the field to impact
your on the field.

Speaker 4 (48:48):
Right. So a lot of times when you are a
scout and you're.

Speaker 5 (48:51):
Looking at players, is hey, do they love the game
or do they love what the game can bring to them?
And so you got to figure out what are the
motivations for each player because there's some guys that get
caught up in the lifestyle, right, some guys that get
caught up in the ilo saw the candy land nature
of being a pro athlete where there are a lot
of things that are at your disposal if you wanted,

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because you have money and time in those things. But
can you avoid those distractions and lock in on what
the main thing is, which is to be a pro
player and to be a good pro player.

Speaker 4 (49:24):
Some people can't.

Speaker 5 (49:24):
Balance both of those things and a lot of times
that prevents them from maximizing what their talent could produce
on the field.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
Oh, have you picked the top ten rookies that will
pick outside of the first round in this past year's draft?
How did you pick these guys and why? And I
go through some of them in a few minutes.

Speaker 5 (49:41):
So I wanted to have some randomness to the list.
So I wanted to avoid the first rounders, because everyone
expects the first rounders to be big impact players.

Speaker 4 (49:49):
That's why they're drafted in the first round.

Speaker 5 (49:51):
But who are the guys that could give you an
impact by the end of the year that were drafted
outside of the first round. So I wanted guys that
would have a chance to be contributors, guys that would
fit into the long range plans of the team when
we came through when I was trying to compile this list.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
All right, so let's start off over here. You got
the guy, Spencer Rattler. You got him round five. He
was drafted to pick number one fifty overall and he
was a quarterback. But the New Orleans Saints, what's the
deal with this guy? Is he gonna make it? Can
he make it? I mean, you say he's a new beat,
you know what, you say, he's got some potential. He's

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like a can't miss guy who wasn't picked in the
first round.

Speaker 4 (50:29):
Yeah, not necessarily it can't miss guy.

Speaker 5 (50:31):
But sometimes, I mean, I would say a lot of times,
eighty five percent of the league is about putting players
in the right scheme that fits their talents. Spencer rather
is in the perfect fit for him in terms of
the environment, the scheme in those things. Spencer Rader is
a quick rhythm passer who I would say his game
is eerily similar to the game of Derek Carr. And

(50:52):
so when you're looking at the backup quarterback position where
Spencer rather competing with Jake Hayner, Spencer Raler was really
really solid as a rookie in preseason. He and Jay
Cayner had comfortable numbers. Normally the tagles to the younger player,
and because of Derek Carr, and because of the situation,
if Derek Carr gets beat up, Specer Radler could be
in the game. And so I picked him because to me,

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he's the young player who has an opportunity to get
on the field and to make.

Speaker 4 (51:19):
A huge impact.

Speaker 5 (51:20):
If something happens to Derek Carr and the Saints need
to win, Spencer Ratler may be the guy to have
to lead him.

Speaker 2 (51:26):
Let me run this by it because I'm trying to
connect some dots over here. Derek carrs gould to start
a quarterback for New Orleans Saints. He went to Fresno State.
Jake Hayner and I never heard much about this guy,
but he went to Fresnoe State. Don't you think that
Derek Carr had some input on this Jay Canterer getting
drafted by the Saints.

Speaker 4 (51:45):
Uh?

Speaker 5 (51:45):
No, I'll say that Jay Canner kind of did it
on his own.

Speaker 4 (51:50):
But I mean it's a coincidence.

Speaker 5 (51:52):
But you shouldn't scout the helmet like you got to
scout the individual players.

Speaker 4 (51:56):
So even though they both were Boydogs and.

Speaker 5 (51:58):
They had the cursive Dog's script on the helmet, doesn't
mean that you give him the nod just because they
went to the same school.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
Okay, I was just trying to connect some dots over there.
Sometimes I'm too active on that deal. All right, Next
time that list Carson Steele at running back for the
Kansas City Chiefs, I go crazy if this guy does
something big because Kansas City like they have to touch
of gold, they really do. I mean, this guy ran
for UCLA. Is there a chance that he could get

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it done in the NFL with Kansas City?

Speaker 4 (52:31):
Oh? I think so. I think you've already seen the toughness.
He was drafted in Ko.

Speaker 5 (52:35):
No, he wasn't drafted, But this is a kid that
was a transfer to UCLA, played his final season at
UCLA and it was terrific. Average almost eight years of carrier.
During the preseason, you saw the physicality, the toughness. You
saw him find a way to kind of do those
I would say, get the dirty yards.

Speaker 4 (52:50):
For Andy Reid.

Speaker 5 (52:51):
That's really critical because the running game has kind of
been a big part of what they've been able to
do in key moments down the stretch Isaiah Pacheco. And
then you add a guy who's similar in terms of
running style, hard running between the tackles, Carson Steel. There's
a role that can be created for him to be
a contributing player and special teams. You know you can

(53:11):
get the best of him. Just the way that he plays,
the energy that he plays with. He's gonna be a
nice special teams contributor.

Speaker 2 (53:18):
It amazes me. And now let me run this by you. Okay,
the kid was undrafted, Carson Steele. So what happens he
comes to camp is he comes to camp through his
agent or there's some scout on Kansas City telling someone
in the personnel department, Hey, give this kid a chance,
I think he can make it.

Speaker 3 (53:36):
How does that work?

Speaker 5 (53:38):
It works, Like you're saying, it's both, it's the agent
selling him, and then it's the team and the scouts,
someone whoever at his area on the West Coast, falling
in love with him and standing in front of the
group of sent a coach man, I think this guy
is a player, and I think we need to make
sure that we talk about him, we evaluate him, we
put him up on the board, and even if he's
not drafted, he would be a guy that would be

(53:59):
an nice fit for us to come in here and
compete and maybe he can earn his way onto the team.
Here is redeeming qualities. This is why I believe he's
a guy that can be a player in the National
Football League, and if the higher ups are convincing that
they sign them, they bring him in. And really, Andy,
it's about giving guys opportunities, and if guys take advantage
of their opportunities, they'll have a way. They have an

(54:21):
opportunity to make the team. And so that's what it is.
It may not always be the full roster spot, but
it's about being in contention where you can make the
practice squad because making a practice why gives you a
chance to be elevated. Carson Steel probably surpassed expectations, which
is why he's on the fifty three man roster.

Speaker 2 (54:38):
It's amazing. It really is an undrafted guy. It's a
heck of a story, it really is. Now, No, this
is not such a shock or jailing right, But you
can't coach speed, and this kid's got speed and running
back to gott the Dolphins round four, one hundred and
twentieth pick overall. But I'm not really surprised as much
as I was with Carson Steel the jail and right thing.
I mean again, he's a speedster. I mean all you

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got to do learned, learn how to run routes and
catch the football and it'll be good.

Speaker 4 (55:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (55:05):
I mean, Jalen Wright is a speaker. He's a guy
from near my hometown. He's from North Carolina. He goes
to Tennessee, can light it up super fast. And when
you think about the Miami Dolphins and how they build
their offense, I mean they build it around basically a
world class track team. Look at all the speed they
have on the perimeter. Well, this is the next player
to be able to jump in that. For everyone that's
excited about Devin h Chan, the backup running back behind

(55:28):
Rahem Moster, but the guy who also showed up and
made big plays Jalen Wright is every bit as fast
and it's explosive. Now you're looking at a team that
has speed, good lore speed.

Speaker 4 (55:38):
Everywhere, and they're gonna take advantage of it.

Speaker 5 (55:41):
I mean, it is a huge addition to their team
to have a third running back that can really add
a dimension to the offense with this big playability.

Speaker 2 (55:50):
All right, now, this is a big, bigclause. This is
my hometown team, his Cincinnati Bengals, Round three to eightieth pickoverall.
They drafted a wide receiver of Jermaine Burton. And now
we'll of a sudden, you know, it comes to light
that they may need him because Jamar Chase is doing
what I do, sitting on his ass right now.

Speaker 3 (56:08):
He's not playing.

Speaker 2 (56:09):
I mean, and I don't know why, but Mike Brown
and the Beker, you got to open up the check,
but can pay the kid, don't. I don't get it.
He went to practice the other day and he just
went in street closed. He didn't do anything. And I
really felt bad for coach Zach Taylor because he was
on TV at his news conference or the day prior
he said we're gonna work this out. At the day
to day situation, I have confidence who come to practice

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and he didn't practice. So what Jamar Chase really did?
He threw Zach Taylor under the bus. I mean the
media should not be chastising coach Taylor. They should be
chastising Jamar Chase because Taylor said he's gonna practice and
he didn't. So does Jermaine Burton have a shot here?
He's gonna move up on his death shot. There's no
Jamar Chase.

Speaker 5 (56:54):
Yeah, he has a chance to not even up with it.
Without Jamar Chase, he was gonna be a big factor
in what the Bengals did. They got rid of Tyler
Boyd last year, their number three wide receiver. Bringing Jermaine
Burton in originally was to give them a speedster and
give them someone.

Speaker 4 (57:10):
Who can give them another big.

Speaker 5 (57:12):
Play weapon on the field alongside t Higgins. In my mind,
Jermaine Burton is the successor to t Higgins as the
number two receiver on the team.

Speaker 4 (57:22):
This Jamar Chase thing kind of.

Speaker 5 (57:24):
Came out of nowhere, I would say, in terms of
the hold in wanting his money, wanted to get paid
when they are two years left before his deal expires.
I understand justin Jefferson got paid, but justin Jefferson got
paid in year four, not in year three. Jamar is
trying to get paid a year early, and so look,
they'll figured out. Typically Mike Brown doesn't relent on these things,

(57:46):
but we'll see. Regardless, Jermaine Burton is expected to be
a successor on the perimeter to one of the guys.
He's either going to replace Jamar Chase this season because
Jamar Chase sits out, or he's eventually going to replace
T Higgins because T Higgins is playing on a franchise
tag and they're unlikely to pay two receivers big money.
Jamaine Burton is gonna be a big role. And I'll

(58:07):
say this. In preseason he was terrific. He averaged almost
twenty yards of catch, had two touchdowns. You saw the
big playability.

Speaker 4 (58:13):
This is a dude that is ready to go.

Speaker 5 (58:15):
If not for some like concerns about his character and
how you would fit into the locker room, he would
have been a first round pick.

Speaker 4 (58:21):
This dude is terrifically, I mean, he's a talent good.

Speaker 2 (58:24):
I'm glad to hear that field, but I think that honestly.
Next Sunday, the Bengals played the Patriots. I think they
could beat the Patriots obviously without Jamar Chase. The following
week they play Kansas City. I'm not so certain they
could beat the Kansas City Chiefs without Jamar Chase.

Speaker 5 (58:39):
What do you Here's the thing that you got to
be prepared for if Jamar Chase is holding out like
that's one thing.

Speaker 4 (58:47):
If Jamar Chase was injured, you still got to play
the game.

Speaker 5 (58:49):
So you have to build your team kind of with
depth in mind, knowing that a man sometimes some of
my front line guys can go down. I have to
have guys ready to play in case of anything.

Speaker 3 (59:00):
Me.

Speaker 2 (59:00):
I mean, I can't wait for the season to start,
but I just hope they started full strength and hope
Jamar Chase plays. I mean, I'm not worried the fact
that he wasn't practicing because you get that rushed off
pretty easily, and you know he's an athlete. He could play.
There's no doubt my money could do that. They need him,
they really do, and I need you, Bucky Brooks. Get
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Speaker 3 (59:31):
We have in this hour bottom batrel of betting, but
this vote needs a recount.

Speaker 1 (59:36):
That's next.

Speaker 2 (59:37):
Name that quarterback we will in just about a minute.
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get up there. Now here's a deal about quarterbacks in

(01:00:10):
the National Football They got the tiers okay, Tier one, two,
and three, the rowan numeral deal just like the Super Bowl.
And on social media, Bucket Brooks, I read that the
Ravens quarterback Lamar Jackson, who basically is just the raigning MVP,
he was voted a Tier two quarterback by league executives
and league coaches. How in the hell does that happen
and why the number two tier quarterback? Come on, really,

(01:00:33):
Lamar Jackson, what else does this guy have to prove?

Speaker 4 (01:00:37):
Well?

Speaker 5 (01:00:38):
Andy Unfortunately, like like stylistically, guys will never relent off
their pre draft grades and pre draft thoughts on Lamar
Jackson and Lamar Jackson's style.

Speaker 4 (01:00:49):
Of play, whatever it may not be.

Speaker 5 (01:00:50):
For every offensive coordinator, you have to understand how offensive
coordinators think. Offensive coordinators want quarterbacks that can make their
plays come to life. And a lot of those plays
are exotic, complex plays that require these intricate patterns and
throws in those things, and those things may not play
to the strengths of Lamar's game, and so they'll be

(01:01:11):
downgraded because they'll downgrade Lamar Jackson because of that part
of it, whether it's how he functions within the pocket.
They don't want the quarterback to be a runner, etc.

Speaker 4 (01:01:19):
Etc.

Speaker 5 (01:01:20):
So Lamar Jackson will never be the type that is
universally celebrated for his talents. But to be Tier two,
I don't know. I guess I would have to see
who's in Tier one is Jacksonson in.

Speaker 4 (01:01:32):
Tier one.

Speaker 5 (01:01:35):
Because I don't I think that has to do with it.
But yeah, it's odd to see a two time MVP quarterback.

Speaker 4 (01:01:43):
Listed as a Tier two quarterback. That's not a common sight.

Speaker 2 (01:01:46):
I hear your response, and I respect it, totally, really
do it. But here's my take on this. A lot
of these coaches and executives, they focus too much on
his playoff performances. Lamar Jackson's two and four in the postseason.
He had that home loss to the AFC title game
last year to the Chiefs, and both of his MVP
seasons ended with home playoff losses in which the Ravens

(01:02:07):
scored only twelve points or less. All right, and they
were both MVP seasons, So he got that. So they're
judging him and what have you done for me lately?
That's basically it. Hey, you know what I get it.
It's all about the quarterback. You know, when you win,
it's him, He gets the glory. When you lose, it's
him because it's his fault. So because the playoff performances
were not I guess as expected, they don't give him

(01:02:29):
a Tier one now.

Speaker 3 (01:02:31):
The Tier one now is Josh Allen. Josh Allen's a
Tier one.

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
So who, Bucky Brooks would you rather have on your
team as a quarterback, Lamar Jackson or Josh Allen. And
you hit it on the head earlier today, it's going
to be a big year for Josh Allen without his
great receiver who's gone. All Right, let's see if he
could get it done. I would take Lamar Jackson, he
could do more.

Speaker 4 (01:02:52):
Yeah, I would take Lamar Jackson in that scenario too.

Speaker 5 (01:02:54):
I think the thing about Josh Allen, right, like, Josh
Allen has performed great, but like some of the inconsistencies
that plagued than when he was in college also continues
to show up. The thing about Josh Allen what people
love is like he's his size, right, he's sixty five,
he's two hundred and forty pounds. He's improved as a passer,
so he's completing sixty three percent of his passes. In

(01:03:16):
those things, he is being able to take this team
and he's gotten them to the playoffs. He has nineteen
game winning drives and stuff like that, which you love.
But this team has also underperformed. But they would say, hey,
it's more on the defense than what he did, right,
they lost in the playoffs to the Kansas City Chiefs

(01:03:38):
with thirteen seconds left because.

Speaker 4 (01:03:40):
The defense let them down. Not that I.

Speaker 5 (01:03:43):
Understand the fascination because Josh Allen is the new prototype
in terms of what you want size wise and all that.
He is exactly what you want, like six y five
or whatever. But his playoff record, he's five hundred. He's
five and five. I mean the super about Yeah, there's
nothing spectactical about his playoff record in those things. But

(01:04:04):
he doesn't have what I would call the egregious losses
that Lamar Jackson has in the playoffs, and so that's
why people haven't downgraded him.

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
He has the biggest loss right now, Stefan Diggs. That's
his biggest loss. And I think that's Stefan's Biggs elevated
Josh Allen. I know, in some respects a quarterback of
the elevator receiver. But I think in Buffalo, Stefan Dicks
elevated Josh Allen. Without Stefan Diggs, they're gonna be in trouble.
I will tell you right here and now, and you
could write this down take it to the bank. As

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far as you know the season is concerned. I think
Buffalo will not win the division. I think Miami wins
that division and they're going to be in trouble. I
wouldn't be surprised if that I'll made the playoffs. I
would not be surprised.

Speaker 5 (01:04:46):
I mean, I mean, that's a real consideration. Like they
they're not guaranteed to go in there. But Sean mcdermmer
is a really good coach and Josh Allen's a player.
We've never seen him play at MVP heights like Lamar
Jackson played. And last year I'll say this about Lamar
Jackson's MVP, the numbers aren't what you typically would expect
from an MVP like normally you see like an outer

(01:05:07):
worldly season where a quarterback has forty touchdowns or whatever.
Lamar Jackson didn't have that, but he was worthy of
winning the MVP as the leader of the team that
was the best during the regular season. However, Josh Allen
has played well, but he hasn't reached that hype. But
I will say this, and this could impact it in
the playoffs. Most recently, Josh Allen had four touchdowns, no interceptions.

Speaker 4 (01:05:27):
Josh Allen completed.

Speaker 5 (01:05:28):
Almost sixty nine percent of his passes, so you walk
away with the perception that, hey man, Josh Allen played
really well in the postseason. That's the one thing that cripples.
That's to kryptonite that people will have for Lamar Jackson.
So I would just say that they both should be
ranked on the same tier, whether that's.

Speaker 4 (01:05:46):
One or two.

Speaker 5 (01:05:47):
I think these guys have to be at the same tier.
I cannot sit here and say that Josh Allen is
a better quarterback than Lamar Jackson.

Speaker 1 (01:05:54):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:05:54):
I tell you what.

Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
I will go to my grave defending Lamar Jackson. I'll
tell you why. Not so much because he even football player,
because to the kind of person he is. Because when
he was playing for the University of Louisville, I had
written to him and he wrote me back. That tells
me every Really, that tells me everything I need to know.

Speaker 3 (01:06:10):
He's a personable guy.

Speaker 2 (01:06:13):
And when he comes to Cincinnati this year, I will
tell him that and thank him again, all right, because
I think he's a gentleman.

Speaker 3 (01:06:19):
I like the guy.

Speaker 2 (01:06:20):
I think he's a good guy. And his mama is
his agent. That tells me a lot too. So I
like Lamar Jackson. So you know, do me something. What
can I say that's the what do you eat good?

Speaker 3 (01:06:31):
I dig it all right, he's bucking Brooks. I'm Athy Firman.

Speaker 2 (01:06:35):
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Speaker 1 (01:06:46):
Yeah. Well, the biggest shirt bet right now in college
football is probably the Georgia Bulldogs. They were one of
two ranked matchups we had today, Georgia in number fourteen Clemson,
and it was close on the first half. The Bulldog's
up six nothing at the break, but man, that second
half was all Georgia, outscoring the Tigers by twenty five
points and roots way dominating thirty four to three victory.

(01:07:11):
The other matchup featuring ranked teams was down in at
College Station as Notre Dame in Texas A and M
Who's a tight battle throughout, Tight at six at the break,
it was tied at six deep into the third quarter,
and tight at thirteen well into the fourth quarter, but
Notre Dame able to pull away and win it by
ten twenty three to thirteen. Oregon had a bit of

(01:07:33):
a scare on Saturday as the Ducks. They were up
by just three against Idaho in the fourth quarter, but
they do pull away to win at twenty four to
fourteen as Dylan Gabriel had three hundred and eighty passing
yards and a couple of touchdown tosses. Number nine Michigan.
It was only a sixteen ten lead against Fresno State
was six minutes to go, but they do win it

(01:07:54):
thirty to ten. Number nineteen Miami an absolutely impressive showing
against in State of Florida Gators forty one seventeen as
the U beats Florida Elsewhere in a college football a
bunch of blowout wins, especially for SEC teams playing against
SCS opponents. Ole Miss against Furman seventy seventy six to nothing,

(01:08:16):
Alabama over Western Kentucky sixty three to nothing. Colorado State
was an FBS team, but didn't do much better against
Texas as the Longhorns when this one fifty two to nothing.
In the NFL, we have an update regarding the shooting
and attempted robbery of Ricky piersal As the San Francisco
Police announcing that they have arrested a suspect in the case.

(01:08:40):
He is a seventeen year old male and he's from Tracy, California,
which is about our hour and fifteen minutes outside of
the Bay Area. He is currently being held on suspicion
of robbery and attempted murder as the shot per sale
in the chest, and we certainly hope he a full recovery.

(01:09:02):
In Major League Baseball, the Pennant races, at least in
the Wildcards starting to tighten up. The division race is
starting to pull away a bit, but Dodgers do beat
the Diamondbacks eight to six. Show Eotani another home run,
is forty fourth of the season. Did not attempt to
stolen base though, so still has forty three stolen bases
as he tries to set a new record for a

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combination of home runs and steels, the first guy to
do forty three to forty three, trying to make it
forty four to forty four, and the goal everyone's hoping
he gets is fifty to fifty. We'll see if you
can get that by the end of the season. The
wildcard race in the National League, though tightening up as
the Braves loose to the Phillies three nothing. The Mets
beat the hapless White Sox five to three, so it's

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a two game lead for Atlanta in the National League Wildcard.
The American League Central another tight race as all three
of the top teams, though losing on Saturday, Cleveland, Kansas City,
Minnesota all taking l so the division race they're unchanged
as Cleveland ahead of CA the City by two and
a half. Minnesota is ahead is trailing in that division

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by three and a half, but the Twins do have
a three and a half game lead in that wild
card over the Boston Red Sox. In the American League East,
the Baltimore Orioles do have tight battle with the Yankees,
that is, New York leading that division by a game
and a half. The Yankees do lose to the Cardinals

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six ' five, so Baltimore on Saturday unable to take advantage.
They do lose the Rocky seven to five. So that's
where those divisions standing set sit right now. Back to
you guys, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:10:35):
Thanks keV seeing it now now it's guarantee we'll get
to that in just about a minute.

Speaker 3 (01:10:39):
He's Buckey Brooks on Andy Furman.

Speaker 2 (01:10:41):
We are Fox Football Sunday on Fox Sports Radio. I've
got bottom borrow betting coming up at about eight nine
minutes from now. I don't mean to embarrass you, Bucky,
but I might with this situation. I want to play
name the quarterback. I got three different quotes that these
quarterbacks have said, and I'm gonna give you the quote.

Speaker 3 (01:10:58):
Maybe you could tell me who the quarterback is. Are
you ready for that? Can you handle it? Okay? We
talked about tier one and tier two.

Speaker 2 (01:11:06):
He said, Josh Allen's a Tier one, and we got
Lamar Jackson's Tier two.

Speaker 3 (01:11:11):
Here's the quote.

Speaker 2 (01:11:13):
Is there a zero category above tier one? What quarterback
you think said that?

Speaker 5 (01:11:20):
Is there a zero category over tier one? If you're
to be someone that is.

Speaker 4 (01:11:28):
Has a good personality, I don't man over tier one.
Let's go with Matthew Stafford.

Speaker 2 (01:11:35):
No, it was Patrick Mahomes, but he received two hundred
and forty nine out of two hundred and fifty possible
Tier one votes over the last five years.

Speaker 3 (01:11:43):
All right, all right, so you're a zero for one.
This is good. Christ I'm gonna set you up a
bottom barrel betting.

Speaker 4 (01:11:48):
This is great.

Speaker 3 (01:11:48):
I love it. Here's a quote.

Speaker 2 (01:11:50):
I wonder if he loves it enough, he should be
way better than this. I wonder if he loves it enough,
he should be way better than this.

Speaker 4 (01:12:00):
I would say, Trevor Lawrence.

Speaker 2 (01:12:02):
No, Deshaun Watson, Deshaun Watson, all right, last, but not least,
You're off for two now, book, I'm just saying, you know, I.

Speaker 4 (01:12:11):
Mean that's exclusive. I mean, no photer friend nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:12:16):
I know.

Speaker 2 (01:12:17):
You go back and watch those first four plays before
he got hurt.

Speaker 3 (01:12:21):
He did not look good. He looks old.

Speaker 4 (01:12:25):
Who would that be? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:12:28):
Being Oh you got that? All right?

Speaker 4 (01:12:29):
You should have started me with that. I know.

Speaker 3 (01:12:33):
I'm sorry I didn't do that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:34):
Okay, now college football. College football is here, and that
means the returnal of the sports longest and most expensive traditions.

Speaker 3 (01:12:43):
What is it?

Speaker 2 (01:12:44):
Guaranteed games and people could have won the Okay, you
watched the games yesterday on TV.

Speaker 3 (01:12:48):
You gotta win. Why does Florida Atlanta play Michigan?

Speaker 4 (01:12:51):
All right?

Speaker 1 (01:12:51):
Well?

Speaker 2 (01:12:52):
Why does Chattanooga play Tennessee? Why does South Dakota State
play Oklahoma State?

Speaker 3 (01:12:56):
Why? Money? Money?

Speaker 2 (01:12:58):
For decades, biggest schools have paid smaller schools big sums
of money to come play on their home field, and
the host team typically gets an easy.

Speaker 3 (01:13:08):
Win and the visitor gets a nice check and they
leave happy. Okay, that didn't happen. Last week.

Speaker 2 (01:13:13):
New Mexico paid three hundred and sixty thousand dollars to
Montana State for their zero week opening. Last week, the Bobcats,
which are an FCC school, a double digit underdog, they
upset the Low Bowls thirty five to thirty one.

Speaker 3 (01:13:28):
And do you know that? This week and it continues
tonight and tomorrow this.

Speaker 2 (01:13:32):
Week Week one in football, more than thirty five million
dollars is being shelled out over fifty five games with
money guaranteed contracts.

Speaker 3 (01:13:42):
It's unbelievable, really, it really is.

Speaker 2 (01:13:46):
I mean, to me, is it worth it for school
to write a check to get a win and they
may not get a win?

Speaker 3 (01:13:54):
I mean, I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:13:55):
Got to get it.

Speaker 5 (01:13:56):
I mean, you're trying to bake some of those wins
on your schedule, right, And depends on the state of
the program. Are you a team that's rebuilding where you
looking to build some confidence and get this team up
and rolling. Or are you a team that has a
tough game ahead and you're looking for a game just
to kind of work some of the kinks out, like
a little a glorified practice or scrimmage depends on what

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the intention, what's the motivation behind playing the team. But
there's a there's a place for those games. There's a
positive place and a positive impact that those games can
make on both teams.

Speaker 2 (01:14:28):
Well, you know, yesterday I was looking at the schedule
and I'm saying, why do the Hilltoppers of northk Why
is the Hilltoppers of Kentucky Western Kentucky, Why are they
playing Alabama?

Speaker 3 (01:14:38):
Well, I went to a little research.

Speaker 2 (01:14:40):
I found out that Alabama paid Western Kentucky one point
nine million dollars for that win yesterday, which basically I
would think paid for the entire athletic department a year
budget at Western Kentucky University.

Speaker 3 (01:14:55):
I would think, right, it's unbelievable.

Speaker 4 (01:14:58):
Yes, I mean the money.

Speaker 2 (01:15:00):
What about you in North Carolina think they had that
a good win? But they lost their quarterback right over
the weekend.

Speaker 4 (01:15:05):
They lost one of the quarterbacks, Mac Johnson. This unfortunate.

Speaker 5 (01:15:07):
He's out for uh the year with a season and injury,
and so they have to lean on some of the
young guys. But they got to win on the road
against Minnesota, which is a tough win for them, But yeah,
unfortunate injury to Max Johnson, Brad Johnson's son.

Speaker 2 (01:15:19):
Wow, I didn't know that all right, Last, but not
least though, eight college football teams will pay their opponent's
more than a million dollars this weekend.

Speaker 1 (01:15:26):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:15:27):
And we'll see what happens with the one loss record.
We'll do with that.

Speaker 2 (01:15:30):
But right now, he's Bucky Brooks. I'm ay four minutes
at that time. It is that time, because we're going
to play our favorite game. It's bottom barrel betting, and
it's freaking next all right, bottom barrel betting right around
the Corner's been eleven minutes now before the top of
the hour. This is Fox Football Sunday on Fox Sports Radio.
He's Bucky Brooks. I'm Andy Furmanwell live from the tire
Rock dot Com studios, and we got a game to play,

(01:15:52):
So let's play.

Speaker 7 (01:15:53):
They think it's bottom bottom Minny to.

Speaker 4 (01:15:58):
Sleep, people, get my money.

Speaker 1 (01:15:59):
I'll put your brain to yes.

Speaker 2 (01:16:01):
It is Harriet is Shay Shay Shy. We started from
scratch today or is that next week with the NFL
season starts.

Speaker 8 (01:16:07):
Let's start from scratch today, so then next Sunday we'll
be able to start at a nice zero zero and
you could see who wins from there. But before I
get into last week's scores, let me explain how this
game is played a little bit. It's bottom barrel betting. Basically,
I find bets around the world from any game from anywhere,
and I give them to Bucky and Andy and they

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tell me who they think they will win. So let's
get right into this. Last week, Fitzi, Jason Fitz was
in for Bucky.

Speaker 4 (01:16:39):
Giving Andy the win.

Speaker 8 (01:16:41):
Andy gets a win for the first time and Haringack
Fizzy couldn't hold it down.

Speaker 3 (01:16:48):
And he's a gambler. He's a gambler, right.

Speaker 8 (01:16:52):
He didn't do too good on his show last week,
and he didn't do too good on our show, so
maybe I don't know how he did hit back next week.

Speaker 4 (01:17:02):
Oh, he's a substitute teacher. He's over there. Let the
class just throws spit balls and flight airplanes. It was
doing though.

Speaker 8 (01:17:10):
It was three to two, so so Andy got three
there and Fits he got two. But let's get right
into it, and let's see. So we are restarting. It's
a zero zero slate. In the Snooker Saudi Masters, Matthew
Stevens is taking on Marin o'donald. They're both minus one
fifteen to win. Who you got Andy, Let's start with

(01:17:31):
I got mister Donald.

Speaker 2 (01:17:32):
I got Donald because he's a great defensive player in
the National Football League.

Speaker 5 (01:17:36):
He was, Okay, that's cool because I had just written
down on my paper Stevens.

Speaker 4 (01:17:41):
So that works for me.

Speaker 8 (01:17:43):
Perfect. In the Premier Lacrosse League Championship Series, the Carolina
Chaos are taking on the Boston Cannons tomorrow on Labor
Day at one pm Pacific Standard time.

Speaker 3 (01:17:56):
The Chaos the game at W's the game.

Speaker 1 (01:17:57):
At the game.

Speaker 8 (01:17:59):
The game is in Boston. Okay, just the Chaos are please,
I'm sorry, and you get me excited if you yelling.
It just gets me that the Chaos are plus one
fifty while the Cannons are minus two hundred. Who you
guys got Bucky to start with you?

Speaker 5 (01:18:16):
Okay, I'm going with the Chaos. I'm from Carolina. I
feel like they need it. We gotta get it done.
It's chaotic.

Speaker 3 (01:18:21):
Let's go with them, right, I'm chaotic too.

Speaker 2 (01:18:24):
I got Boston. I got Boston, right, Cannon, My can't
go to Boston.

Speaker 8 (01:18:29):
The Cannon's. I like the names there. Those are good names.
You see You guys never congratulate me for easy names,
but every time it's a hard name, you guys go
in on me.

Speaker 3 (01:18:37):
That's the way it is.

Speaker 4 (01:18:39):
Expectations, highest fectation exactly. Get used to it.

Speaker 8 (01:18:42):
In the ks W, which is a Polish mixed martial
arts promotion, Gilbert Burns is taking on Sean Brady September seventh,
Saturday night at five forty pm Pacific Standard time. Gilbert
Burns is plus one fifty eight while Sean Brady is
minus one eighty three. Andy, you're up.

Speaker 3 (01:19:01):
I got Brady.

Speaker 2 (01:19:02):
I mean he's gotta be a blood brother of Tom
Brady and Brady's a winner.

Speaker 3 (01:19:05):
This guy, Sean Brady's gotta be a winner. I got Brady.

Speaker 4 (01:19:09):
Yeah, then let's try that.

Speaker 5 (01:19:10):
Broks out perfectly because Gilbert Burns, guy, look, he used
to be in the UFC.

Speaker 4 (01:19:13):
Now he's out. Yeah, he has to climb his way
back in. This is it. He's fighting for his life.
Gilbert Burns has to win.

Speaker 8 (01:19:20):
Oh my gosh, Yeah, he used to be in the UFC.
But yes, and off to the off to the Chinese
Professional Basketball League, the CTBC. This league, it's a great league. Yeah,
I've bet on it. A couple of times before they're
taking on the Fu Bond Guardians and it's happening right now.

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The Brothers are minus one seventy five. All the Guardians
are plus one thirty five. Bucky, who you got?

Speaker 5 (01:19:47):
It wasn't the name of the first one? The brother
the Gardians and ooh, the brothers. I like brothers. I'm
gonna go with the brothers. The brothers give me right.

Speaker 2 (01:19:54):
I got the Guardian And you know this, this is
another situation I blew on my lifetime. I could have
played football and acrip, but I could have been a
set during this Chinese league. You know, five ten, at
five ten, I could be playing the pivot. I got
to be playing the pivot in this league. Really I could.

Speaker 3 (01:20:12):
But Andy fan and exactly, yeah, I'm red clots now
that's why I am.

Speaker 8 (01:20:21):
I got one quick one to get in here. Off
to the Men's Volleyball European Championship Under twenty with Poland
taking on Serbia today. At eight thirty am. Poland is
plus one twenty while Serbia is minus one seventy Andy,
real quick.

Speaker 3 (01:20:33):
I got Pola, I got the Polish team.

Speaker 8 (01:20:34):
And Bucky, oh, give me the Serbs.

Speaker 4 (01:20:37):
Serbs I'm ready.

Speaker 8 (01:20:39):
That concludes the the last or I guess the first
bottom barrel betting of season two. We're calling it that,
all right.

Speaker 3 (01:20:46):
The swollen Dome.

Speaker 2 (01:20:47):
Mike Harmon joins the party of Fox Football Sunday, coming
up right here next.

Speaker 1 (01:20:53):
Greetings and welcome in. Honored to be back in the
chair alongside two legends in the game are as Andy
Furman and Bucky Brooks. For me, this is year nineteen
of what we call Fox Football Sunday. I've aged rapidly
in this booth. I've seen people come and go. I
think my running clock of how many guys I've worked

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with in this shift is at like nine hundred. Because,
you know, getting up in the early hours of the morning,
getting ready to get it on for another football season.
You know it's not for the fate of heart. Or
maybe they just left me behind. I'm not quite sure, gentlemen.
An honor to be with you once again, listening to
the pre roll up as you guys playing a little

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bottom barrel betting and watching Shay find the sports you'd
never heard of. But I do like that we've now
found perhaps Andy's you know what could have been his calling.
I dig that you know, Bucky, you playing in the NFL,
and now we've got Andy. You know, you and I
we have to live vicariously through other athletes and maybe

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our video game acumen.

Speaker 3 (01:21:59):
I will tell you this, but first of all, welcome back. Speaking.

Speaker 2 (01:22:01):
Don't we love having you here. It's great and I'm
here with buckets. It's wonderful, it really is. I could
do this for hours. However, you know, when you're a
youngster and you love the games and you watch the games,
you look at these athletes. I don't think I could
do what they can do. So I played two in
touch in the streets of Brooklyn, New York. You do
a little button hook behind the Chevrolet and there you go,

(01:22:22):
and they play See Sue stick fall. That's what you did.
But you know, when I see these scores right now,
that Ohio State beats Akron fifty two to six, there's
gotta be a way of God's green Earth that I
could have made that Akron football team. Blame me fifty
two to six.

Speaker 3 (01:22:36):
Or there was a scar there with Tennessee one like
seventy three to something yesterday. I mean, come on, really,
I couldn't have played for the Furman Paladins. They would
take me on just because of my name.

Speaker 1 (01:22:46):
Really a legacy play, that's what he's looking at their bucky.

Speaker 5 (01:22:51):
I mean, yeah, I look, and he's talked about this
like nothing frustrates more than when teams are whipping up
on the little sisters.

Speaker 4 (01:22:58):
Of the poor. Like he doesn't like the money games.

Speaker 5 (01:23:01):
He wants to see all big games, and so it
frustrates him to no end when he sees those guys
take those games. And look, I think it's fun when
sometimes the little guy wins. We saw Montana State come
back on New Mexico last year where they paid a
bunch of money, and I mean last week where they
paid a bunch of money and Montana State.

Speaker 4 (01:23:18):
Walks away with the victory.

Speaker 5 (01:23:19):
We almost saw North Dakota State snatched down Colorado and
Deon Sanders and that crew. So I mean, sometimes you
know it can happen, But normally the teams that are
able to pull it off are the teams, I would say,
the FCS teams that are really good that no one
pays attention.

Speaker 4 (01:23:37):
I've always said this.

Speaker 5 (01:23:39):
If I was coaching D one, I would never schedule
those games because it's a no win composition. You expected
to win if you lose, Holy hell comes out. So
I am good on that, Like I would not play
those schools, but.

Speaker 3 (01:23:51):
You didn't launching statement, living on that for years.

Speaker 1 (01:23:54):
Well, but that's it, right. You try to fuel your
program with some funds, and I know you guys chronicled
some of the payouts and the dollars that roll through,
and maybe it changes as we move forward. And that's
one of the big questions I think as we get
into this college football season ahead of Thursday nights kickoff

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of the NFL fiending, you know, Shay's got like nine
NFL fantasy mock drafts going trying to figure out what's
gonna follow to him doing a lot of simulations. He's
doing a lot of calculations in his brain and he
keeps cursing, I hate my team. And everybody else that
plays fantasy football, you've all had at least one of
those squads. You're four or five rounds in and you're
already lamenting the roster that's being assembled long before it's done.

(01:24:39):
I have one of those myself right now. That is
a long slow draft. Get this fellas drafting right, and
you're trying to ascertain, hey, is the guy gonna go
to the pup list. What's his deal? So Mikey says, hey,
you know what, Christian McCaffrey, they're gonna have to be
a little judicious with his work. So let's go get
Elijah Mitchell. He's only gonna miss a couple of game

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games tona season ending ir immediately. So what's the next
guy do? As soon as I make my pick, he's
got Jordan Mason as if to throw me a couple
of well, what's, for lack of a better term, foam fingers.
But that's the cutthroat nature of the game, Bucky. You
mentioned the Colorado North Dakota State and wrapped up in

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there are so many storylines and it's the best and
worst of what makes us fans, pundits and everything else
right because us against the world is a mantra we
like to use for ourselves, but when others do, maybe
not so much. And that's the Dion Sanders, his children
and Travis Hunter who continues to just baffle us with

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his athleticism and dominance, missing only two plays in that
game playing iron man football, leading to a lot of
those conversations of can he do this in the pro level?
And I do appreciate the number of cornerbacks that stood
up and said no, no, I'll come on now, show us
some respect in the National Football League, Bucky, you made
your hey as a guy in the secondary. I mean,

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Travis Hunter might become the Heisman favorite, might make the
argument that he should go number one overall, But for
trying the two way thing, I think it's great to
speculate about, but let's have some respect for the guys
that's strapping up on Sundays.

Speaker 4 (01:26:22):
See.

Speaker 5 (01:26:23):
I take a different take, and maybe it's because I
live in the high school world as well. I think
Travis could absolutely play both ways. I don't think he
could play one hundred and twelve plays both ways. But
here's what you have to understand about the pro game
compared to the collegiate game. The offensive plays that you
play in the college game, like sometimes they.

Speaker 4 (01:26:43):
Can get him into the eighty eighty five ninety range.

Speaker 5 (01:26:46):
De general, how fast the tempo is going on average
in the pros, you're talking about sixty five offensive plays,
and so Travis Hunter could be in a package that
allows him to play thirty five to forty offensive plays
a game, if done correctly.

Speaker 4 (01:27:01):
Let's just say Travis Hunter comes in.

Speaker 5 (01:27:03):
But Travis Hunt isn't expected to be the number one
and number two receiver. Let's just say he's the third
receiver or maybe even the fourth receiver that rotates in
that you bring in.

Speaker 4 (01:27:12):
He could do that. That's no different than being a
nickelback on defense.

Speaker 5 (01:27:16):
Travis Hunter is a dynamic athlete that you want to
have on the field because he makes things happen, whether
he's on offense or defense or even in the kicking game.

Speaker 4 (01:27:23):
To me, he is someone who.

Speaker 5 (01:27:25):
Can do it, and I will use look, I would
use the example I watched Champ Bailey when Champ Bailey
was at Georgia.

Speaker 4 (01:27:31):
Champ Bailey was a full time wide.

Speaker 5 (01:27:33):
Receiver for Georgia during this last year while also excelling there.
Charles Woodson didn't really do that at Michigan. He made
some plays at Michigan, but he wasn't an offensive guy.
To me, Travis Hunter is more close to Champ Bailey
in terms of how you evaluate him as a prospect.
But if anyone can do it, Travis Hunter can do
it because he can go to his head coaches office

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at a coach, how do I get ready to play
both ways successfully? As a pro and Deana can give
him the blue did he used to help the Cowboys
win a Super Bowl when he was a two way player,
so he can be done. As a matter of do
you want your star player to do it? How valuable
is he on offense? That's where it comes out.

Speaker 1 (01:28:12):
Yeah, I think that's the big The bigger thing for
it is, you know, maximizing what you become at the
next level. But to the point you were making a
little bit earlier and he you know, for Colorado and
Dion even talked about it, and leading up to the game,
they were kind of in a tough into one of
those no win situations, as you both said, because even
though it's a ten point spread and you're talking about

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playing a different division, you know, they come out of
that with so much poison pen and vitriolic ink coming
out of it for narrowly escaping, not to mention some
coaching slash communication issues.

Speaker 2 (01:28:49):
Yeah, but I'll I'll run this by because look at
the Travis Hunter for a second. Certainly a rarity for
a guy to play both ways in the NFL. But
here's my question. Who decides that Travis Hunter plays both ways?
Is he goes coaching staff say I want to do
this or deonce is something in him that he can
do that because it is a rarity. I mean, you
don't see guys do that. And why would he do that?
And who asked him to do that or did he

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want to do that?

Speaker 1 (01:29:12):
That's the quil point. You play ironman football in high
school though, Bucky right, I mean you.

Speaker 5 (01:29:16):
Play well, yeah, you play iron football in high school.
But I'll say this because I was first tipped off
on Travis Hunter from my son. My son was watching
him on YouTube when Travis Hunter was traveling all over
playing on seven on seven teams, and Travis Hunter.

Speaker 4 (01:29:30):
Was a unique freak athlete.

Speaker 5 (01:29:31):
And there are a bunch of guys that they would
kind of do that stuff, play both ways in high school,
but he was different. And when you watched him play
high school games his final season, he was a different animal.
I look, I just think that sometimes guys are special.
And for Travis Hunter, if you're Travis Hunter, you're looking
around at what guys are getting.

Speaker 4 (01:29:51):
Paid on offense compared to defense.

Speaker 5 (01:29:54):
When you look at Ceedee Lamb sign a deal that
puts him at thirty five, thirty six, thirty eight million
dollars and you looking at DB's where it tops out
at twenty one two, you absolutely want to pay both
ways because it gives you an opportunity to add some
put some put some extra cheese on the burker.

Speaker 4 (01:30:11):
You know you want you want more money because you
can do more things. Yeah, so I understand that.

Speaker 5 (01:30:15):
And all the dbs that are woofing about, oh I
can't be done, understand this. The best athletes and best
players are going to offense at lower levels.

Speaker 4 (01:30:26):
A lot of times. The guys that have been DB's
their entire life, it's because they weren't good enough to
contribute on offense. That's just a harsh reality.

Speaker 1 (01:30:33):
Well, I mean we even see that for guys that
get converted when they go to the pros. Though, Bucky,
what's always the thing. It's like, yeah, you have the speed,
he could do this, couldn't catch right right hands, could
do a lot of the things checked off all the
boxes except for the most important one without the venom
like symbiote substance or sticky tack on to the highest degree.

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The ball was falling to the turf, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:30:58):
Speaking of that, you know you not mentioned your Northwestern wildcast.
They just squeaked by the Red Hawks of Miami.

Speaker 1 (01:31:04):
Of all, how they covered the number though it was
only three. I know, I know, so they played for
their backers.

Speaker 4 (01:31:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:31:11):
I had that game with the radio a little bit, yes,
just to see what's going on because I follow Miami.
It's in the neighborhood over here, right, so we see.
But they had them, they had him by the roades Miami.

Speaker 4 (01:31:20):
They did well.

Speaker 3 (01:31:21):
I was adam.

Speaker 1 (01:31:21):
Exciting stuff right breaking in the new stadium. What is
the Northwestern Medicine Field at Martin Stadium, so you know
the word salad that comes with naming while they rebuild
the football stadium on site there in Evanston. My brother
was in attendance, so he was He was excited, sending
me some pictures from what they've constructed along the lakefront.

(01:31:44):
It photographed and filmed beautifully on television. I was down
in Oceanside, so my daughter's in one of the you know,
the next round of tournaments has come up for soccer,
so I'm getting.

Speaker 3 (01:31:54):
Wait a minute, when did she get those athletic jeans from.
I'm just curious.

Speaker 1 (01:31:58):
I was really good, except I was short and I
ripped up my legs. So this goes back to you know,
you played the street ball, so you played the game. No, well,
I mean, but I was done early, like because back then,
like I'm old enough to wear stuff that they could
fix really easily. Now, back then, doctors would look at
the injury and say, we're not signing off on it.

Speaker 3 (01:32:17):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:32:17):
So, like, you know, I went to a high school
that had disbanded football for a while, so that that
pushed off. Did some other things, a little track and field,
help with the wrestling team, they started whatever. But then
I go to Northwestern, and then this goes back to
you know, Andy, you were listening off a bunch of
universities that maybe you could have gotten a sniff. Well, Northwestern,
as you call it, recall, wasn't good at all back

(01:32:40):
in the days of harmon showing up on campus. And
I knew a lot of guys on the team, so
they're like, oh, coach like loves the walk Ons, and
you're around us in class and everything everywhere. So I'm
in pretty good shape. But I had busted my leg
in high school, and at the time I knew the
thing of the injury, I couldn't get a doctor to
sign off on me. I tried to go to West Point.

(01:33:01):
I did a forty five minute phone interview. He asked
me about an injury interview, an injury, and the guys like, yeah,
they're never clearing you with that leg, good luck son,
And that was it. So same thing, trying just to
go do a I really do think, though, Bucky and
you can probably attest to this, were those guys just
setting me up because they were they hated me for
some reason and wanted to take me out on a

(01:33:22):
practice field.

Speaker 4 (01:33:24):
I don't think. I don't think I hated you. I
don't think I don't think it was like a true hate,
but maybe.

Speaker 1 (01:33:32):
Maybe a little bit. I mean, no, I never got
tied to the goalpost. You know the interesting factoid that
always comes back up though. While I was at Northwestern,
the famous point shaving scandal happened for football and basketball.

Speaker 3 (01:33:47):
Oh yeah, so.

Speaker 1 (01:33:48):
Those were guys that were friends of mine. I had
no idea, like, absolutely broke my heart. But here's the
here's the rub. My friends and I we used to
travel to all the road games, and those are the
guys we got our tickets from.

Speaker 3 (01:34:00):
Oh my goodness.

Speaker 1 (01:34:01):
So you know, if they really wanted to say, hey,
that little fire plug looking dude over there. He's the
mastermind of everything. But I had no idea, like and.

Speaker 2 (01:34:10):
Today was listening, I kind of like close it down
a little bit, closed the pie hole on that, you
know what I mean, because that student newspaper they got
the coach fired a year ago, so you never know
what could happen come back on haunting.

Speaker 1 (01:34:21):
Yah, We've talked about this at length. Uh you know,
it's it's it's part of the history Andy, part of
the long, long history. It wasn't it wasn't hard to
connect the dots of la la la. But yeah, just
very very difficult times. But you know, a new athletic
director comes in, a guy named Mark Jackson, so hopefully
some calmer heads and uh more cohesiveness and direction because

(01:34:46):
they still had that giant pathage eraled lawsuit sitting out
there by the way. His kid played a little bit.
And yesterday's game.

Speaker 2 (01:34:51):
Wow, here's the big trivia question of the day. And
I'm gonna have to go do some research on this.
What was the last time Northwestern and Vanda Built both
won in football and the.

Speaker 1 (01:34:59):
Same day that's fine question.

Speaker 3 (01:35:03):
Well I'm gonna check that out.

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And as we continue, gentlemen, we'll we'll talk a little
more college before we turn our attention to the National
Football League, because we've got to come out of these
week zero week one of well what do we really
know about these squads in a new era of college football?
And that being said, is the new college football era
gonna lead one celebrated coach behind. How long can you

(01:35:49):
trade on past accomplishments? We'll do that next. He's Andy Furman,
There's Bucky Brooks. I'm Buy Carmen and this is Fox
Football Sunday. Hey, welcome back in Fox Football Sunday, Fox
Sports Radio, Mike Carmen alongside Andy Furman, Bucky Brooks, please
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(01:36:13):
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So we waved to all of our friends in time
zones around the world as they get ready for a

(01:36:35):
full day of activity F one racing. We've got the
Premier League, some more college football a little bit later
on Major League Baseball, you know, because it's football season
for me. With the White Sox at one hundred and
six losses. Guys, well, I mean, look, if you're gonna
fail in life, fail spectacularly, take your shot.

Speaker 3 (01:36:54):
Get in the record books, big history.

Speaker 1 (01:36:56):
No, that's it. I mean, we'll have the great experiment. Though.

Speaker 4 (01:37:00):
What happened? Was it two years ago Tony de Russ
had the team in the playoffs?

Speaker 1 (01:37:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:37:05):
Like, what happened? How did it go?

Speaker 5 (01:37:08):
So?

Speaker 1 (01:37:08):
You scouted terribly?

Speaker 5 (01:37:11):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:37:11):
You get rid of your only arms of any value,
Dylan Ceese, who would have been the number one guy
at the trade deadline. You traded him in the off
season so you got less than what you would have,
but it doesn't matter because your farm system stinks anyway,
not developing players. You tried to go Braves model with
a couple of guys who ended up being okay when

(01:37:35):
they were on the field. Problem was they weren't on
the field a terribly much. When you look at Eloi
Jit Menez now in Baltimore and Lewis Robert Junior. So
those two guys. Carlos Rodan had some injury issues, but
he's now well traveled and is a double digit winner
in New York. And Chris Sale, who was with us
once upon a time, is probably gonna win the Cy

(01:37:56):
Young for the Braves. All that to say, it's been
a miserable slog of an experience. At some point you
just got a smile and you just say this is
this is what it is, and you have to accept
it because sometimes you know, it's still an opportunity to
watch baseball. Is a good baseball, no, he's a winning
baseball no. But you know what it got me to

(01:38:18):
football season.

Speaker 4 (01:38:19):
Fellas, Yeah, you enough time to get the food.

Speaker 1 (01:38:23):
Well, you know, but I could do about a three
hour soliloquy of all the things Ryan's doorf's done wrong
with that squad. But the big question is Grady Sizemore.
You remember him as a player. He's now the manager
of the White Sox. He's aging in presidential terms. He's
been on the job what four or five weeks, and
it's it's already having the effect, you know, when the

(01:38:44):
guy takes office and he's all smiles, like, no matter
the age, you're still looking pretty good. And then four
years later it's like, man, that's a grind. It's gonna
be a month and a half for him. That's gonna
age him rapidly.

Speaker 4 (01:38:58):
M not good.

Speaker 1 (01:39:00):
There you go. There's life according to me. But hey,
my kids won both their soccer games yesterday, so we'll
go back for an encore later on today. Fun and excitement,
all right, let me ask you guys this week zero,
with the way we've changed college football in the new
transfer portal and nil world, how much do we take
away from Week zero? In Week one with some of

(01:39:21):
the bought games as you talked about, Andy, and some
of the traditional scheduling, but the fact that we play
such a game of I don't know, musical chairs in
coaching quarterbacks and the like Bucky will start with you.

Speaker 5 (01:39:40):
Look, I think it's really hard to know what a
team is going to be without seeing them in preseason.

Speaker 4 (01:39:46):
Everyone should get ready.

Speaker 5 (01:39:47):
For the NFL to look like this where you're not
able to predict the first three or four games of
the year, because when you wipe away preseason, you don't
have a way to really get your team ready to play.
Because as much as you want to scrimmage and do
those things like, you can't simulate what game action is.
And in college that's what they're asked to do. It's
really difficult to know what you have until you start

(01:40:08):
playing games, because you can think that you can be
able to play a certain way, but then when you
play games, you realize this works, this doesn't work based
on our personnel. It's just really hard. So I think
we have to kind of keep it in perspective and
keep it in mind that it's early and really try
not to make i'll say, solid judgments and assessments until

(01:40:28):
after we get past the third or fourth game.

Speaker 2 (01:40:31):
You know, you bring up a great point because going
back to Greek zero, it was in Montana State, New
Mexico Montana State University of New Mexico by three by four,
thirty five, thirty one SMU, Nevada, Delaware State, Hawaii. Those
three games, you know, most betters I think could have
picked for the Montana State. No, but let's go to
the big when the Florida State Georgia Tech. And when
they say Georgia Tech upset Florida State, I had a

(01:40:54):
problem with that because who was ranking Florida State tenth
in the nation at that time when that a had
not seen them play and be that hadn't played. So
I went back and looked at.

Speaker 3 (01:41:05):
The Phil Steele. He has this twenty twenty fourth.

Speaker 2 (01:41:08):
Toughest Schedules chart, all right, and on the chart he's
got Florida State with the twelfth toughest schedule of the year.

Speaker 3 (01:41:15):
This year.

Speaker 2 (01:41:16):
However, going back on that same chart, Georgia Tech is
the fourth toughest schedule in the country. So Georgia Tech
to me, you know, it's not so much of a
shocker beating Florida State twenty four to twenty one in
that game. It really wasn't. And Georgia Tech won again yesterday.
So Georgia Tech may very well have a better season
than Florida State. But that game was promoted and written

(01:41:39):
up after the game and talked about as an upset,
and I'm not so certain it was.

Speaker 1 (01:41:44):
Well, I mean, coming out of the offseason right in
Florida State what they did a year ago, returning half
of their starters, and then we get into points spreads, right,
and where the money goes helps to dictate some of those.
By the way, how big a magnifying glass did you
use for your Phil Steele book? Is that not the
great It's the greatest. It's the greatest, the college Football Bible,

(01:42:08):
and I buy it every year and I've got stacks
of them in a closet. Right. The font, man, the
font you know, if they had.

Speaker 2 (01:42:15):
A twelve point fund, they have to have seven editions.
That's your problem. I mean, you're right. I mean I
got my glasses on to see it. But all of
that to say, and I don't wear classes.

Speaker 1 (01:42:26):
Yeah, but I bet you look aera nite and ready
for business and wear.

Speaker 3 (01:42:30):
Those glass to get those cheaters, you know, that's what
I did.

Speaker 1 (01:42:33):
No, but you get get someone really stylish stylistic frames,
and then you could look like a wizard start you know,
you know, brand promotion.

Speaker 3 (01:42:41):
I look at me, Yeah, okay, fine, I don't need that.

Speaker 1 (01:42:45):
I'm trying. I'm trying to give you another brand, Bucky,
and he's just throwing it off like that.

Speaker 3 (01:42:50):
I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'm too stupid to realize.

Speaker 2 (01:42:53):
I was trying to get you your n I L
money right, But you know what, I got to have
that thing on my helmet like, I'll go home state.

Speaker 1 (01:43:00):
Head nicely done, get your QR code right.

Speaker 3 (01:43:03):
But they can't use him anymore.

Speaker 4 (01:43:05):
No, I can't use them. Gotta get that episode.

Speaker 2 (01:43:07):
Pretty creative when you think about it, though, Oh, I
dig it right, trying to find the new angles, Bucky.

Speaker 1 (01:43:12):
It's just a new world. And we talk about one
coach who wants to leave it behind getting thumped yesterday.
That's Dabo Swiney and Clemson. All right, couple of national titles,
all the goodwill, the double digit win seasons, but he
doesn't want to play any of these well for lack
of a turn, let's just call him the reindeer games.
We'll get to the holidays soon enough. So well, next

(01:43:34):
week I'm running around singing Perry Como. It's the most
wonderful time of the year. I mean, are you kidding me?
I'm gonna have fake snow in the studio to celebrate
Week one of the NFL season. Let's go. But for Dabble,
he doesn't want to do the nil stuff, doesn't want
to do transfer portal, any of those things. Remember famously
in twenty twenty one, when nil and everything was being

(01:43:56):
talked about, said, I'll go do something else. Has he
kind of talked about and like is he going to
be sitting in a broadcast thing dressing like a leprechaun
like Nick Saban pretty soon? Like where are we at
it here, Bucky?

Speaker 5 (01:44:11):
Yeah, I don't know. So here's the thing. And I
told Andy this in the first hour. The thing for
all the people that won't dabble out of there, it's
not gonna happen anytime soon.

Speaker 4 (01:44:18):
Because the biot is significant.

Speaker 5 (01:44:20):
Sixty million dollars biot if you get it rid of
Dabbo after this year or next year. Fifty seven million
dollars if you get rid of get rid of Dabbo
after twenty twenty six. So he's gonna be for the
Tigers for a long time. What has to happen for
Daboy is Dabbo has to nail it on the quarterback.

Speaker 4 (01:44:39):
Unfortunately, for Dabbo. He had a great run of quarterbacks.

Speaker 5 (01:44:42):
Where he had Todds Boyd, he had Deshaun Watson, then
he had Trevor Lawrence.

Speaker 4 (01:44:46):
Right, two of those guys have been.

Speaker 5 (01:44:49):
Pro Bowl Pro Bowl players in the National Football League,
so he had legitimate franchise quarterbacks in the fold.

Speaker 4 (01:44:55):
He hasn't been able to find that.

Speaker 5 (01:44:56):
Same guy to lead Clemson to higher heightst Now, remember
they still were winning double digit games and those things,
but they're not the Clemson that went to national title
games that was challenging Alabama for.

Speaker 4 (01:45:09):
College football supremacy.

Speaker 5 (01:45:10):
And what you saw against Georgia is the difference between
trying to build it with the home grown roster and
one that is homegrown but supplemented by the transfer portal.
Dad always been staunchly opposed to getting into the portal
because he wants to develop his own guys and do
it that way.

Speaker 4 (01:45:27):
But he's at a mismatch, at.

Speaker 5 (01:45:28):
A disadvantage because his five stars are younger, while the
five stars for Georgia and other.

Speaker 4 (01:45:34):
Guys are older and experienced. And that is where you
saw it.

Speaker 5 (01:45:38):
In the second half a six to three game became
a blowout. And so he can do it his way,
but people have to get used to seeing Clemson operate
in a different fashion when it comes to winning.

Speaker 2 (01:45:49):
I would say this, you know what his mantra is
right now, Dobbo, adapt or die.

Speaker 3 (01:45:54):
That's basically what they gotta do.

Speaker 2 (01:45:55):
And I don't understand why the athletic threat that doesn't
call him and they always say, look, you want to succeed,
you better go out and go to the portal. Why why?
I mean, I understand his philosophy. I don't think college
athletes should be paid. Sorry, that's just the way it is.
And you know what, they should be paid. They're a show. Really,
that's why people pay to pay to see them. What business?

(01:46:15):
What actor that does not get paid? And these guys
are basically actors, and they're the business. What workers don't
get paid? They're workers. They put a lot of time
in and they do a lot for the school. They
increase enrollment, they increase merchandise sales, you name it. They
get them on TV. So get out there, Dobbo, get
in the portal.

Speaker 1 (01:46:32):
Yeah, and still the rule of thumb right. And for
every job I've ever had, you know, you'll have people
around I don't want to I don't want to know
I don't like office politics or I don't like this, Like,
guess what, if you're not aware of what's going on,
you're gonna get used in that game. So at least
you need to be aware that you become the pawn
if you're not at least actively monitoring your own situation.

(01:46:53):
And for Dabosweetey, I think some of it, you know,
kind of goes back, let's go to the harball world
in it and tied them together a little bit of
also recognizing who and what you are. Obviously this is
a different changing landscape to what Dabo has been. But
remember those early years, a lot of six and seven,

(01:47:14):
nine and what nine and fives and seven and six
seasons before that decade of dominance right likewise, that Michigan
grew good program, historical program. The size of Michigan was huge.
And when Jim Harbaugh and I'm old enough to remember
this because I was laughing at most of my media
brethren guys when they were calling for Jim Harbaugh to

(01:47:34):
be fired when he was winning nine games a year,
that would I mean, Michigan wasn't a perennial you know, hey,
we're national title or bus squad. I don't know, and
all of a sudden that became the standard with Jim Harbaugh.
And then you have the three year run and we
can talk about that all we want, n till we're
blue in the face. Go watch your Netflix documentaries. By
the way, Conder Stallions was a defensive coordinator last week.

(01:47:57):
It got absolutely drummed. Right, so it's like forty five
to six or something like that.

Speaker 4 (01:48:04):
He couldn't get the signals. He couldn't get the signals
high school.

Speaker 3 (01:48:07):
It's hard, man, you kids that preseason. That's why he's
trying to figure out the system.

Speaker 4 (01:48:12):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:48:13):
It's a new environment. It's going to take some time.

Speaker 3 (01:48:16):
He's got to coding correct.

Speaker 2 (01:48:18):
If he's going to scout the other high school teams,
He's got to get his radio coding correct because he's
not not on part with them.

Speaker 3 (01:48:23):
He's still got the Michigan code numbers on there.

Speaker 4 (01:48:27):
It's funny.

Speaker 5 (01:48:27):
So, Mike, before we move on, I want to make
sure we talk about this because I do believe like
Dabo is a victim of his own success. Sure, Okay,
so Dabbo took Clemson. I was in school when like
Danny Ford was still the coach at Clemson, and Clemson
had won the national title in eighty one, and then
they were a team that we talked about, and I
would say they were more of a regional power than

(01:48:49):
a national power. Despite winning that national title, they still
never got traction as like that national power that everyone recognized,
like an Oklahoma or Nebraska or USC. He builds them
up after he takes over, and he kind of gets
them going to the point where you talk about winning
nineteen games a year.

Speaker 4 (01:49:07):
Then they eventually compete for national titles and win national titles.

Speaker 5 (01:49:10):
Now you have this, Oh, they need to be right
up there with Georgia. But the College Football Playoff expands
to twelve teams, and as long as Clemson gets into
the tournament, they have a chance of winning the national title.
I think people just have to be careful of this
all or nothing. They're going to be undefeated or dabble's
not any good. If they get to ten and two,

(01:49:30):
more than likely they're going to be one of the
teams that gets into the twelve man tournament, and that
just gives them a shot. We have to remember Georgia,
except for the hiccup that they had last year, Georgia
could have been a three time national champion, like a
three peat, that's a different team that you're dealing with,
And so I think people just have to like not

(01:49:52):
overreact to what you saw in week one.

Speaker 4 (01:49:54):
Maybe Georgia is much better than we think.

Speaker 5 (01:49:56):
And if I'm Clemson, look man, we went six to
three at half time and then it got away from us.
Maybe there's some things that we can tighten up to
put us in a position where if we see them
or another team like them again, we could win the game.

Speaker 2 (01:50:08):
I have no no disrespect to Bucky Brooks, but let
me tell you something. They're in the ACC, which is
not a strong conference. I know you love North Carolina.
I do too, I really do. But there's a shot,
the shot they could still win that conference. They can well.

Speaker 1 (01:50:21):
And that's the thing, right, It's the long play and
the slow play of it all. But you know the
shows today, guys, So you know we got to react
to in the moment to what we're doing. But I
also say, you know, the best and worst things you
can hear as a college Footbay football fan this year is, Hey,
the college football Playoff is twelve games, So you're some
of it is I can excuse away an early season

(01:50:43):
loss because we still have a chance and rationalizing it
versus maybe taking some harsh looks at how we're doing
business and recognizing that maybe we need to change to
keep competing at that highest of levels, right trying to
figure out like you guys were talking tier zero, Tier one,
Tier two with quarterback. See it's a rich tapestry we
weave here at Fox Sports Radio on a Fox Football

(01:51:05):
Sunday at Andy Furman FSR at Bucky Brooks. Find me
over at Swollen Dome. It is beautiful to be back
with the gentlemen. We'll continue with more turn our attention
to the National Football League coming up next, but first
we got Kevin Wyre. With everything going on in our
sporting universe. Yeah, might not have heard, but college football
has started alrighty Week one, first full day of college

(01:51:26):
football Saturday in the books. As we had a couple
of matchups featuring two ranked teams in Atlanta. It looked
like it was a close one for the first two quarters.
Georgia just had a six to nothing lead against number
fourteen Clemson at the halftime break. But it was all
Georgia in the second half, as they would outscore the

(01:51:47):
Tigers by twenty five points and route to it dominating
thirty four to three victory. The other rank matchup was
in college station number seven Notre Dame, number twenty Texas
A and M. This one was a tight one throughout,
tight at six at the break, It was tied at
thirteen late in the fourth quarter before Notre Dame would
pull away to win it twenty three to thirteen. Elsewhere

(01:52:09):
in college football number three Oregon, it was a nail
bier against Idaho, but they are able to beat the
Vandals twenty four to fourteen Dylan Gabriel three hundred and
eighty yards and to touchdowns. Number nine Michigan it was
in a close one with Fresno State. It was just
sixteen ten was six minutes ago, but the Wolverines do
eventually win at thirty to ten. Number nineteen Miami. What

(01:52:32):
more can you say about their impressive performance given an
absolute beatdown to their En State rival of Florida Gators
forty one to seventeen. And in the NFL, do have
an update regarding Ricky Parsal as he was shot during
an attempted robbery in San Francisco yesterday and police announcing
they have arrested a suspect, a seventeen year old male

(01:52:53):
from Tracy, California, which is over an hour outside of
San Francisco. So the suspect is in custody and we
do hope that Parasol will make a full recovery. Back
to you guys so much, Kevin as we continue here, Yeah,
good thoughts to him. Obviously a bit of a shocking

(01:53:14):
story in the midst of the glorious nature that was
the college football Saturday and to your point, just to
tie a bow on the clemsing thing nine and four
last year, most of you think about your colleges that
you support, ones that you went to, ones that maybe
you adopted along the way. As I get older, I'm
still trying to reconcile that fellas where I paid my
money and my sweat, blood and tears versus folks just saying,

(01:53:37):
you know what, I'm a fan of that college team
like it's picking an ice cream flavor. But yeah, you'd
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(01:54:19):
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(01:54:41):
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team fully assembled. Can't wait to watch the editors start
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grab some popcorn and a beverage and just watch their
little hands move so quickly to get the sound that
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The keyboard is now smoking like it's Homer Simpson at
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around here at Fox Sports Radio. But plenty of games
to preview, but to already that, we need to look at, guys,
the Ravens getting ready to open things up, the Kansas
City Chiefs, big marquee performance, new players mixed into these things.
We've talked a lot about the Chiefs and the fact

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that you know, continuity being king. Do you guys realize
in the National Football League this year there are thirty
one new coordinators between the offensive and defensive side of
the ball. So maybe that's why we had more starters
playing in the preseason. Either that or they got the
code read from Roger Goodell saying these things have to
be watchable. We need a TV product. But Ravens and

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the Chiefs get ready to kick things off here for
the new league year. Fellas Andy, I'll start with you,
what are you expecting night one?

Speaker 2 (01:56:19):
Well, let me just say this. I mean, honestly, when
you talk about zero week in college, it's like a
whole home situation. They're going right into it now in
the National Football League Thursday night. Because this is going
to be a rivalry. It's kind of a rematch last
year of the kickoff game, of the playoff game of
a year ago.

Speaker 3 (01:56:36):
Look.

Speaker 2 (01:56:37):
I look at these two teams and there's like probably
bad blood, the two best teams in the AFC obviously,
and you got to say, well, the Chiefs. Look Patrick
Mahomes last year, a two time MVP stat wise, he
had a second worst career in numbers as a start
of this year, but he came back in the postseason,
rose to the occasion. I led Kansas City to their

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third Super Bowl. Right see, you look at what the
Ravens could do. Lamar Jackson, I think he's got something
to prove right now. He's got to build on his
MVP year because look, they say he's not a Tier
one quarterback, which I kind of disagree with, but I
think they're putting too much stock on that postseason.

Speaker 3 (01:57:13):
Failures that he's had throughout his career.

Speaker 2 (01:57:15):
He passed for almost thirty seven hundred yards last year,
twenty four touchdowns. He only had seven picks a year ago.
Gus Edwards is gone right now, he's with the Chargers.
They're bringing Derrek Henry. Can that help? Should it help?
I think it will help. It's going to be the
best running back he had. Well, I use Derek Henry
like Tennessee did. I don't think they will. I think
he won't get the thirty carries or so then he
got in Tennessee. But he's going to give take some

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pressure off what Patrick Lamar Jackson does. I do like
Baltimore to win this game. I really do. Kansas City
last year had some hiccups. They really did, and I
think Baltimore takes this game. I just think that Bolto
right now, top to bottom might be in better position
to win this game.

Speaker 4 (01:57:56):
Yeah. I'm gonna go with the Kansaity Chiefs to win this.

Speaker 5 (01:57:58):
And of course I worry about Baltimore Ravens in terms
of they lose Mike McDonald. Zach Orr takes over as
a defensive coordinator. He's been in the league for three
years as a coach, was a longtime player.

Speaker 4 (01:58:09):
But it's different.

Speaker 5 (01:58:10):
Mike McDonald did a phenomenal job of getting this defense
up and going. So I worry about those pieces of
the puzzle coming together offensively, Like I think they're fine,
But when I look at the perimeter, there's no one
that scares the King City Chiefs where they're gonna command
double coverage in those things. And Todd Munkin doesn't want
to run this offense like the Ravens used to run

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it previously. They're not really a ground and pound team
like that. Now Derrick Henry should be utilized as a
ground and pound player, but I just have a film
they're trying to preserve him for the stretch run.

Speaker 4 (01:58:42):
To me, this.

Speaker 5 (01:58:43):
Plays into Kansas City Chiefs hands. Lamar Jackson is one
to four against Pat Mahomes. The Chiefs just know how
to play against the Baltimore Ravens. To me as the
Kansas City Chiefs, and I think.

Speaker 4 (01:58:52):
They pull away late. Whatever the spread is, I'm gonna
bet the overrunning, not the under.

Speaker 1 (01:58:58):
There you go, You're looking at a two and a
half or three point line depending on where you're working
in this one, and yeah, you had the opportunity. The
defense carried the Chiefs until old number fifteen had to
show up when it mattered. And that's the big difference,
right because playoffs make legacy, all right. The other game
coming from Brazil, Friday night football, Packers getting two and

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a half in the road game against the Eagles. We've
had all sorts of stories a goat another one about
X that's popped up on here. Eagles, A lot of
questions about that locker room and turmoil. Do you buy that?
What's it look like for week one?

Speaker 3 (01:59:35):
For you?

Speaker 1 (01:59:35):
Bucky?

Speaker 5 (01:59:37):
I'm gonna go with the Eagles on this one one.
I think some of the conversation about the Eagles locker
room certainly has helped him kind of bring it together differently.

Speaker 4 (01:59:44):
Vig Fangio coming on board. They've run more of an old.

Speaker 5 (01:59:47):
School traditional training camp than what Nick Sirianni would do
when it was more like flag football. They didn't really hit,
it didn't really condition. I think that makes a difference.
Offensive coordinator Killen more helping jail hurts advances game. Remember
what killing more did for Dak Prescott. I think he
has the same effect and impact on Jalen Hurts.

Speaker 2 (02:00:06):
Okay, I'm gonna go Jalen Hurts right now. He threw
for almost thirty nine hundred yards last year, but he
had too many interceptions at fifteen. But I'm gonna tell
you right now, I like Philadelphia.

Speaker 3 (02:00:13):
I like him a lot.

Speaker 2 (02:00:14):
They got the best receiving corps in the National Football
League with Smith, Brown and Dotson right now, so I
go with the Eagles.

Speaker 1 (02:00:19):
Look at you giving Johan Dotson some love. We'll have
to discuss that a little bit more. After he has
one catch for nine yards. Next he's Handy Verbin at
Handy Verbin FSR at Bucky Brooks find me over at
Swollen Dome. Bucky and I continue for another hour here
at Fox Sports Radio. Greeny's welcome in back for another

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run here Fox Sports Radios, Fox Football Sunday. Always want
to make sure we get that right with the name change.
Kind of like when you change your clocks back and forward.
You want to make sure you get it right so
your wake up is right. Same thing here, We're ready
for another big football calendar. Week one of the college
He's in up and going. More games still on the slate,

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just a couple of days away from the beginning of
the National Football League. Couldn't do it with anybody better
my guy Bucky Brooks. Years in the league, working down
with the Jaguars broadcast and of course NFL Network, our
teammate here at Fox Sports Radio Lo these many years.
He's a coach, a mentor, and a good friend at
Bucky Brooks where you find him in the Twitter verse.

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Good to be back with you, Bucky. Another fun and
exciting campaign ready to begin.

Speaker 4 (02:01:30):
Yeah, No, excited to be back with you. Mike. Is
always fun and we're able to chop it up in
this hour. We're gonna have an opportunity to talk about
all things football, which is always fun.

Speaker 5 (02:01:39):
But I got to ask you because we talked about it,
and I know you're like a look a deep and
devoted Chicago fan and everything right, and so we won't
talk about the White Sox, But what do you think
about all the hypes of running the Bears? I know,
like it's been a minute since the Bears have kind
of been touted as like musty TV. Does this make
you uncomfortable that everyone is clamoring to see what the

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Bears do this year, particularly Cleveland wis in this offense.

Speaker 1 (02:02:03):
Well, I think part of it is the everybody wants
to be the like they're climbing a giant mountain and
they want to put their flag up there first. They're
gonna win the division. No, they're not just gonna win
the division. They're gonna be the best team in the NFC.
They're going to the super Bowl. They're going to the
NFC title like hold on Like for years, it's the

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can't get out of their own way. Now, I remind
folks because they've been doing also heard this a lot
and seeing in social media a lot. It's like, could
they be this year's Texans? They won seven games last year? Okay,
they had the first pick because of Carolina's ineptitude, so
let's not forget that, right, they didn't pick number one,
and because they were that miserable and one of the

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best defensive units in the game second half of the year.
Montes Sweat coming over from Washington and making that thing
really kick up another level. And eber Flus, you know,
as much as we got a deep dive into his
beard and grew being practices on hard knocks, but the
only interesting thing out of the Bears and hard Knocks.
By the way, if you ever want to get out
of doing something at your job in your house, emulate

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the Bears being as boring as possible and really not
giving a whole lot of juice because people will be like, yeah,
we're not coming back to film there again.

Speaker 4 (02:03:20):
Yeah, no cursing, no cursing. They wiped off.

Speaker 5 (02:03:23):
They screw uped all the cursing away from the episodes.
So it looks very g rated because the mccaskey's wanted
that representation out there.

Speaker 4 (02:03:33):
Yeah different look, different look for the Bears, right.

Speaker 1 (02:03:36):
I mean the biggest thing is you had the trip
to the ice Cream Museum with DJ Moore and his family.
The kids are adorable. I mean, they were great stars.
We got a lot about the backup quarterbacks, a couple
of whom are no longer there, and you know, a
celebration of Tyson Bagent. But the point is, you know,
you've got this this heype machine that's rolling off in
Caleb Williams, at least for now. You say, it looks

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the part and on paper, I Poles and the Powers
that Be in Chicago they built on paper what should
be a pretty exciting brand of football and a winning
brand of football when you look at the wide receiver corps.
You bring in Deandres Swift to go with a backfield
that was already pretty strong with Herbert and Roshawn Johnson

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talked about the defense before Buggy on paper, it all clicks.
So yeah, I mean, I'm not surprised that people gravitated
to it because we need a new toy, right it's boring.
I mean even last year, everybody found a way to
talk themselves off the Chiefs and for a long time
during the regular season since they weren't running up thirty
eight points a game on folks, it made you look
okay until it was winning time. And while same old

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song and dance for the Bears. Yeah, it's a shiny
new toy for everybody to go and look at instead
of just being a dismissed afterthought.

Speaker 4 (02:04:52):
Yeah, I mean, it's a shiny new toy.

Speaker 5 (02:04:54):
Quarterback is outstanding in terms of like he flashed just
enough to wet everybody's appetite, so you ignore some of
the things that may have happened, like the three three
and outs in a row against the Bengals because you
see the outstanding gunslinger play that he makes.

Speaker 1 (02:05:08):
It's all about highlight sizzle reels. Bucky, you know this,
it's a lot of sizzle.

Speaker 5 (02:05:14):
I'm gonna say this because I'm really curious to see
who really calls the defense. Matt eber Flus did a
great job last year fixing the defense and getting going.
Mantes Sweat emerged as a star. They traded for him,
paid him, and he played really really well, like a
dominant defender. They bring in I think an underrated playmate
in Austin Booker that he drafted the fourth round, who

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flashes during the preseason. But Eric Washington is kind of
there in the thing, and he runs a little different
defense than eber Flues. And how do they mail those
things together when the defense appeared to be trending.

Speaker 4 (02:05:51):
In the right direction.

Speaker 5 (02:05:52):
Yeah, just a lot of curiosity about the Bears and
a lot of intrigue and the fact that I'm gonna
get to see him in London, and I'll say this, look, man,
they could be four five and four and all four
and one, five and aero by the time to get
to London. That's a lot a lot of expectation on
a bit.

Speaker 1 (02:06:10):
Well, but that's just it the way the schedule work.
And I have issues with the NFL scheduling, they're well chronicled.
You can find the podcasts here from Sunday Mornings. You
can find them on the show that I do with
Jason Smith. Just the way the schedules are built for
a bunch of these squads, right, we were talking about
the Ravens. Before you look at the divisional schedules saved

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for the Steelers and such, or you're not playing any
of those division games until the final six or seven
weeks of the year. Meanwhile, you've had ten weeks of
the slog of a season, and we're going to decide
a division based on what's left right the war of Attrition,
instead of, hey, we get some of these games early
while they're at full or as full a roster as

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they could be. That kind of bugs me a bit, Bucky.
I'm not gonna lie. But the Bears, they start with
three straight games against the AFC South. He got the Titans,
the Texans, and the Colts right away, then a home
date against the game against the Rams at the end
of September, then the Panthers and then your Jaguars. The

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thirteenth of October. So yeah, on the schedule there, you've
got a lot that you size it up and say, okay, Titans,
new coach, new system there, right, And I mean, it's
gonna be weird to not see Vrabel stalking a sideline
there and everything else. So and know Derrick Henry so

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a new identity forged the Texans. The matchup everybody wants
to see again those comparisons that we want to have
Caleb and CJ. Stroud be the banner carriers for the
next age of football. The Colts in Week three excitement again.
I mean, because you want to talk about creating headlines
right now, you got Anthony Richardson who flashed a bit

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before getting hurt. I'm afraid that unless he learned a
lot about sliding, maybe he did that slip and slide
things like the Bears did. That was one of the
things that was fun on hard knocks. We're gonna teach
you how to slide? What are we gonna do? And
they rolled out of forty foot slip and slide like
they were four years old in the front yard again,
So that was kind of cool.

Speaker 5 (02:08:16):
It's funny because I've seen this happen a few times
with athletic quarterbacks. I think the Braves were asked to
come in and teach Michael Vick how to slide. Yeah,
And to me, I'm just like a great athlete, like man,
he didn't play other sports when he was coming up.
He never played baseball coming up as great of an athlete.

Speaker 4 (02:08:34):
As he was, that we have to teach him to
slide in his twenties.

Speaker 1 (02:08:37):
Well, he specialized ely Bucky.

Speaker 4 (02:08:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:08:39):
I mean those are things that we learned when we're
what seven, yeah, eight years old, that kind of stuff.

Speaker 4 (02:08:47):
I just think, I think we just have.

Speaker 5 (02:08:49):
To continue to pause when it comes to the Colts
and the quarterback Anthony Richardson and those things. Look, man,
he just he's never really and we got people talking
about him as like Pro Bowl MVP caliber.

Speaker 4 (02:09:04):
All four games.

Speaker 1 (02:09:05):
Wow. That But that's where we're at, right. We love
what we'd love to do. Dirty Laundry came on while
I was sitting in traffic trying to go to my
daughter's soccer game yesterday, but to extend it to our
sports world, and I mean, we we love that flash
and we want to go to hot take nonsense, right
and extrapolate because even college wise, right, I mean I

(02:09:26):
sat next to Smith when he was trying to make
him a Heisman guy right September. Heisman's just like last
year as we did with Colorado and maybe we do again,
And I kept trying to tamp down his expectations. Like
one It's still was an erratic back and forth. Like
to your point about Caleb Williams, some sizzle stuff. There's

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going to be some big time exciting plays. Guess what
you had that with the last guy every once in
a while. Now hopefully the big thing they switch to
Caleb is that they're more consistent. Uh and he doesn't
drop the ball when pressure quite as much as Justin
Fields did. We'll get into Pittsburgh in a minute, but
it's just the idea. You know, Roman Dunsa looks like

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he could be the real deal. I'm not sure how
many games you get out of Keenan Allen's knees on
that Soldier field. I mean the field. The park District
does a terrible job. Monster trucks high school football games,
a concert and the Bear's place all day afternoon, you know,
all of those kind of things. So we have that
to work through but for Richardson, same thing. But you know,

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I feel confident if nothing else. They went and they
were smart, and they brought in Joe Flacco, who's still elite,
just kidding, but showed that he can still be serviceable.
So maybe your season at with the roster that's been
constructed doesn't fall apart if Richardson's hurt again. And sliding's

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one part of it, Bucky, that just the field awareness
to do the old Painton manning thing for these young
quarterbacks seems to be the one thing. I'd have him
and his brother go around and teach, Hey, you know what,
do that thing? You know those old toys where you'd
press the button at the bottom and the legs would
collapse and then you'd let it go in then tut
on and pop right back. That was the Mannings for

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their entire careers. Wait, I'm about to get hit turtle down.
I go live to see it, take the four yard
loss or whatever it is, but live to see another
play instead of trying to extend it and either getting
yourself killed throwing the ball into harm's way or risking
the fumble, the stripsack fumble.

Speaker 5 (02:11:31):
Yeah, so that's the thing is It's that fine line, right,
because you want all the benefits of the playmaking, the
stuff that everyone talks about, the sexy stuff, right right, Oh,
he can throw off script and off platform, and oh,
look at the tools and all the stuff that we
can do because he's so athletic or whatever. But you
also want those guys to take care of the football.

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You want them to be available for all sixteen games.
So how do you toe that line? Lamar Jackson, for
the most part of his career, he's been able to
do it because you rarely see him take a big shot,
and the big shots that he's taken, the shots where
he's been hurt, have happened in the pocket. But quarterbacks
and all players have to kind of learn this because
sometimes guys get on receivers because you'll see them catch

(02:12:16):
the ball and all of a sudden you see them
almost hook slideer their dive to get into the ground. Man,
playing seventeen games is the ultimate goal, and sometimes you
have to pick and choose when you make the hero
play and when you just get down and live to
play another day. And so all the quarterbacks have to
learn what's more important, and a lot of times availability

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is more important than the single game play that you
have to make.

Speaker 3 (02:12:41):
Well.

Speaker 1 (02:12:41):
Look at Lamar right gets another MVP twenty four and
seven touchdown to interception ratio. But the key stat to
it all was he played sixteen games right the prior
two years, twelve games, twelve games, no matter who you know,
we talk wins above replacement right for baseball all the time.
Tell me what that margin is for Lamar Jackson between

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who has to replace him and I don't care if
they've taken good care of the backup position as we
know so many teams usually fail at because it's the
money of money position, right and trying to make sure
the room is what it is when we have sixty
six guys take start games last year, so trying to

(02:13:25):
stay up upright and play the seventeen games is huge.
But for Lamar, you know, for everything else that he
did in the regular season, like that's the badge of
honor for me. Somehow he stayed on to fight for
sixteen games.

Speaker 5 (02:13:38):
Well, being available is everything, right, Like, ultimately, this game
is a player's game, and if you have the better
players more time than not, you're going to win. And
the thing is you have to balance. How can I
get my players to the starting line. How can you
get my best players to the starting line each week
so I can increase the odds of my team winning.

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And that's what teams are looking that. And it's not
necessarily load management like you see in basketball, but it's
something too.

Speaker 4 (02:14:06):
Being available and understanding the moment.

Speaker 5 (02:14:09):
The great thing about Peyton Manning and Tom Brady and
those great quarterbacks is they understood how important it was
to preserve themselves. That's why you see Peyton Manny have
the clock go off and it's head where he would
just fall down, like yeah, just falling down like those
little sleeping goats that you've seen on these things, they

(02:14:31):
just they just fall down. They just collapse and they
get paralyzed, like just with the pressure and all that
other stuff. Sometimes you just have to do that so
you can live the player another day. It's really important
to be available and you want your players to be available,
and so these young quarterbacks have to learn that.

Speaker 1 (02:14:46):
Well, we look at Baltimore and Los Angeles, two teams
you know follow obviously live here in Los Angeles, folks,
that works around the Chargers and and you know it's
it's the home home squads as we're out here obviously
paying attention to my bears, and I've been doing radio
spots in Baltimore for almost twenty years. But Baltimore and
Los Angeles link not just together because of the hardballs,

(02:15:09):
but they've had a couple of training rooms that you
look at and say, you know, you've got to exercise
some demons out of there. With the numbers of games
lost due to injury right in very key positions, and
that can't be understated, right, And why they keep expanding
all these specialists in these Look if your kids are

(02:15:31):
going and they have any interest in science, sports, science,
physical therapy, whatever else. Keeps growing league by league because
you're getting specialists for every position group, every player guys
hiring them their own off season. There's your word of
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Speaker 4 (02:17:36):
Yeah, Time Square, huh.

Speaker 1 (02:17:38):
Yeah, big timing man needs some of that. I was
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just say some crazy stuff because in the end they

(02:17:58):
shrug and you move on. Just the cacophony of voices.
But what of the stories that's still sitting there kind
of simmering in the fun and exciting world. Was the
off season quarterback quote unquote derby competition whatever you want
to call it in Pittsburgh. Right when we watch Russell
Wilson justin fields. They both come in Pittsburgh's not really

(02:18:20):
paying any money to either of them, both on a
try it out and let's see how it take it
out for a spin. Wilson got hurt on the blocking
sled again, one of the dumber injuries I think we've
seen in recent memory. You know, this is the hey
I can move that. I had a guy who worked
with long ago. I did some building maintenance jobs in

(02:18:40):
college during the you know breaks and during the summer,
and had go help the building engineers with whatever. Some
of it was, you know, working on the sprinkler systems
and getting shot at in Chicago. Some of it was
just removing old pipe piping, right, they'd have us in
doing that. And then we had one you know, the

(02:19:02):
old radiators that weigh like nine pounds that you're supposed
to saw us all in the little chunks and then
cart out. Nah. I had a building guy that decided, nah,
watch I'm strong. I forget where he was originally from,
but he was like, I'm a man, watch this. We
don't need any of those extra things. You don't need
to waste your time saws all in this and cutting

(02:19:25):
it into the component parts. Now I'm gonna take out
this six coil thing that probably weighs four hundred pounds.
He ripped himself like you would not believe, and he
knew it immediately he got the thing off the ground
about six inches let out the most guttural scream I've
ever heard. All that to say, you know, it's flocking sleds,

(02:19:49):
not what a quarterback should be doing.

Speaker 4 (02:19:52):
That's funny.

Speaker 5 (02:19:53):
Yeah, no, so not in the program now and high
school and those things, you can get away with it,
but not in the pro game. And the fact that
Russell Wilson got hurt doing that, I'm kind of trying
to figure out what they're doing on the sled like
that shouldn't happen.

Speaker 4 (02:20:07):
But you need him available.

Speaker 5 (02:20:09):
And there's a lot of consternation about Russell Wilson in Pittsburgh.
A lot of people worried about him, a lot of
people trying to pour dirt on Russell Wilson in those things.
And I think everyone has to understand how to Stellers
want to play. I think there's still this, I said,
fascination with Russell Wilson being what many thought that he

(02:20:29):
should be when they were campaigning for let Russ cook.
I think Russ's best is at his best when he
is in a managerial role, who is allowed to maybe
cook in the fourth quarter when the team really needs it.
I expect the Pittsburgh still is to put him in
that role. They're gonna run the football, they're gonna throw
the ball to George Pickens and those things.

Speaker 4 (02:20:48):
But this team is still built on.

Speaker 5 (02:20:50):
Defense, running game, and then magical playmaking ability from the quarterback.

Speaker 4 (02:20:54):
They believe they can get that.

Speaker 5 (02:20:56):
From Russell Wilson, and if not, you're gonna see Justin
Fields midseason come in there. If they don't get it
from Russell Wilson early in the year.

Speaker 1 (02:21:04):
And that's the curiosity, right Arthur Smith comes over, most
notable in his recent NFL tenure, known as the guy
that did not deploy Bijon Robinson enough in the fantasy
game last year, so a lot of might be the
first time he got a lot of run as a
coach nationally, not because of what his team was doing,

(02:21:25):
but because what he was doing to fantasy teams. Jon
still had himself a pretty good year, but not the
two thousand yards and deity status that so many had
proclaimed for him. So now he goes there and asks
to try to figure out and solve the Rubik's cube
of what has been one of the league's worst offenses
since Ben Roethlisberger left and even the end of Ben

(02:21:46):
Roethlisberger wasn't pretty either. But for the last five years,
Bucky the bottom ten in terms of offensive production. And
now you've got Russ and I don't know what Russ
is in the end. If Harris and Warren and whomever
else ends up running the football, Corderyl Patterson is there
maybe for a big splash play now and again a

(02:22:07):
guy that he worked with in Atlanta that maybe you
find a little bit of something. But you know, Calvin
Austen van Jefferson, maybe Roman Wilson becomes a bigger player
for him. And then when healthy, Friarmooth's one of the
best tight ends in the game. So you got that.
But it's the Mike Tomlin question again of at what

(02:22:28):
point is like we did with Lamar Jackson right transferred
to the coaches, when does the lack of playoff success matter?
And I know Pittsburgh's a different animal, but last year
everybody jumped up and down saying it was unfair. He's
got all these winning seasons. It's like, is that good enough?
I mean, I mean for me, no, But and I

(02:22:49):
love Mike Tomlin to death, one of my favorite coaches
that have' you know had the pleasure to be around
over these many years, but from a reality standpoint of
like when when is the time for a new voice?

Speaker 5 (02:23:01):
Well, you don't have to really worry about that because
he's an extension.

Speaker 4 (02:23:05):
Yeah, going to that's that's going to put him there.

Speaker 5 (02:23:09):
I think the bigger thing will be this, can Mike Tomlin,
who's done a really good job of what I would
say making average teams good, can he take a good
team and make it great again. That's what we haven't
seen because the great teams not only compile double digit wins,
but they also flex their muscles in the postseason. The
biggest knock on Mike Tomlin has been, yeah, he's you know,

(02:23:32):
a lot of empty calories.

Speaker 4 (02:23:34):
He's like a bag of potato chips. Right. They win
a lot of.

Speaker 5 (02:23:37):
Games, he doesn't have a losing season, but they haven't
had that playoff success to validate him as one of
the all time greats as a coach. They have to
have that playoff success. And when you look at this roster,
you say, hey man, this is a good team. Mike
Tomlin now has to take a good team and make
it great in a division that is going to be
crazy competitive, because.

Speaker 4 (02:23:57):
There's not a weak link in the division.

Speaker 5 (02:24:00):
You look at the rosses of Cleveland, Cincinnati, Baltimore, and Pittsburgh.

Speaker 4 (02:24:04):
It's a heavyweight fight in a division.

Speaker 5 (02:24:06):
He has to figure out a way to help his
squad get on top of a division that's loaded well.

Speaker 1 (02:24:11):
And that's the thing, right for Bill Belichick. We excuse
some of Bill Belichick the GM for years because they
were still winning, and a lot of that is, you know,
old Number twelve solved a lot of ills and covered
up a lot of problems, There's no question about that.
And then eventually he's gone and you can't cover that
up anymore. And then you start doing crazy stuff like
making defensive coordinators your offensive coordinator for a young quarterback

(02:24:34):
and pretending, well, I mean look down Jacksonville, like that
was one of the big headlines of the week that
you know, for Doug Peterson, I still got to coach
some of the Patriots out of Mac Jones.

Speaker 4 (02:24:45):
Yeah, I mean you have some of that where where
Mac Jones you had to kind of get that out
of there.

Speaker 5 (02:24:53):
And sometimes with coaches like you can be a victim
of your own success in terms of like sometimes you've
had so much says to a certain way you were
reluctant to change.

Speaker 1 (02:25:02):
Sure, we were talking about it with the last hour.

Speaker 5 (02:25:05):
Yeah, what you want to see from Mike Tomlin is
this team continue to evolve, to continue to find different
ways to play based on what they have available with
their personnel.

Speaker 4 (02:25:14):
And I know we're at a time where everyone.

Speaker 5 (02:25:17):
Kind of wants to see the fun and sexy offense
in those things, I still believe that the Stealers have
to remain in character. They have always been at their
best and had the most success when the formula is
what we just talked about five minutes ago.

Speaker 4 (02:25:29):
The formula has always been for the Steelers.

Speaker 5 (02:25:32):
Defense, running game, and timely playmaking from the quarterback. The
Ben Roethlisberger era, for as great as it was with
the Triple B's and him and Antonio Brown and Le'Veon Bell,
they didn't win it all with that crew they wanted
when Ben Roethlisberger was more of a compliment to what

(02:25:53):
they had defensively and running game.

Speaker 4 (02:25:55):
Even when he made.

Speaker 5 (02:25:56):
That spectacular play against the Cardinals in the Super Bowl,
team still was governed by their defense more so than
Ben Roethlisberger. So if they get back to that, if
they just kind of step into that and take all
the criticism and win games with the defense and running
game leading the way. Everyone will eventually have to shut
up because the proof is into putting.

Speaker 4 (02:26:15):
The proof is into success and the results.

Speaker 1 (02:26:17):
What is funny is maybe out of some respect that
Tom Bot will win a game or two that he shouldn't.
What have you. We were talking about the Bears a
little bit earlier. Think about where the national and even
I think to a degree local narratives right, because there's
you might have a little bit of cautious optimism. Again

(02:26:37):
going back TJ. Watt stays healthy, and you've got a
defense that keeps you in games, and that offensively you'll
have the one play that gets made to get you over.
They have the same number on the over under for
wins as the Bears look out, vastly different than narratives
are about those two teams. They're both at eight and
a half wins.

Speaker 4 (02:27:00):
Wow. I mean, I will say this, it is a
tricky thing to figure out who's going to win and
how they're going to win or whatever. The other thing
when it comes to it is like there's this thing.

Speaker 5 (02:27:15):
You've probably been a Bears fan, you will call it
probably the Justin Fields fascination, because you will probably feel
like a lot of people on the outside haven't kind
of lifted up the hood and really watched Justin Fields
enough to really have a strong opinion. Where Bears fans
see it every week so they can talk about whatever
it is that they say it are his flaws, late

(02:27:36):
with the progressions, more of a runner than a thrower.

Speaker 4 (02:27:39):
YadA, YadA, YadA.

Speaker 5 (02:27:41):
Where on the outside everyone is like, hey, this should
be an easy conversation. You got the young quarterback who's
more dynamic. Look at he rushed for a thousand yards.
Why not put him in over Russell Wilson. That conversation
in Pittsburgh has moved from the windy city to the
still city because the clock is ticking on Russell Wilson.

(02:28:01):
Everyone wants to see Justin Fields so they can either
confirm or deny whatever he is as a player.

Speaker 1 (02:28:10):
Well figuring change of venue maybe launches, because let's face it,
the Bears haven't done things right offensively for as long
as I've been alive, with the exception of the offense
that was second in the league predicated on the strength
of the defense. Going back to that Super Bowl year,
and then the other Super Bowl appearance where most most

(02:28:30):
notably Devin Hester is now a Hall of Famer off
the Cup return as part of it. That Super Bowl
will always be known as Prince playing Purple Rain in
the rain because Bayton Manning and the Colts weren't exactly
world beating that day either, and Rex Grossman was the
bear starter. So yeah, there's been a lot of you know,

(02:28:50):
hope and false start. I got by Jay Cutler, Shirsey
one hundred million dollar arm, but you know, Gambler and
whatever countenance was, ta take it as you will. Some
fall starts there. Wide receivers. Historically there was the running
joke of if it's where wide receivers go to die
and just go on down the line. So justin Field's

(02:29:14):
making a couple of big electric plays, like all right,
can you coach out all of those things that you
outlined late progression one read holding the ball out to
say here take it oftentime Ball security such an issue
because you saw that even in the preseason with Pittsburgh,
a couple of sizzle plays, a couple of big plays,

(02:29:34):
and then it's like, all right, he had the ball
knocked out of his hand. Twice and very limited action.
So you know from Mike Tomlin, you know when the
margins raise their thin because you're just praying that your
offense can get to twenty points a game. Turnovers can't
be part of that equation, and it's magnified on a
squad like that because you're not blowing anybody out. I mean,

(02:29:57):
Pittsburgh's not beating anybody thirty eight to you know, like
there might be one game this year where that happens,
where the defense gets over and it becomes unglued. Otherwise,
like the NFL as a whole, is a one possession
margin to victory for the Steelers. It's a field goal
game most weeks.

Speaker 4 (02:30:17):
Yeah, in most weeks.

Speaker 5 (02:30:18):
And so that is why I always believe Russell Wilson
would be the starter, right, because what you're banking on
is throughout his career, Russell Wilson has taken supreme care
of the football.

Speaker 4 (02:30:29):
Right. He doesn't turn it over. He gives your chance
to win in.

Speaker 5 (02:30:32):
The fourth quarter because he does reduce the amount of
mistakes that the offense has. He'll take sacks, but normally
those sacks don't translate into turnovers. Justin fields, takes sacks
and fumbles the ball. And so that's why that conversation
that Arthur Smith and Mike Tomlin will have throughout the
year will be about ball security, ball protection, how.

Speaker 4 (02:30:50):
They win games, or not how they win games, but
how do how do they avoid losing games?

Speaker 5 (02:30:57):
Which is a thing because when you talk about a
league that is typically he decided about eight points of fewer,
and the still is in particular being a team that
plays a bunch of field goal games.

Speaker 4 (02:31:05):
It comes down to ball security.

Speaker 5 (02:31:07):
It comes about negative play avoidance more so than play making.

Speaker 1 (02:31:12):
He's Bucky Brooks at Bucky Brooks. Where you find him
in the twitterverse. Find me over at Swollen Dome. We're
live here in the tiraq dot com Fox Sports Radio Studios.
Now it's time to turn our attention over to a
well dressed man ready for a big day of action.
It's Isaac Lowercron.

Speaker 9 (02:31:28):
And I hate to disappoint the sharps in Vegas, but
I had salsa as part of my breakfast this morning
and somehow did not spill it on my Look.

Speaker 1 (02:31:38):
At you, sir, Do you have a tied pen in
your bag?

Speaker 9 (02:31:42):
I have actually been rather cavalier. I'm not even carrying
one in my back, but that's out that Bucky.

Speaker 1 (02:31:48):
I'm trying to give him travel tips when he's got
to suit up.

Speaker 9 (02:31:50):
That's actually a very very wise idea given my track
record of clumsiness. Well as we begin, we begin in
the NFL, and a story that is scary but certainly
could have been far, far worse, as on Saturday, San Francisco,
forty nine Ers rookie receiver Ricky Pearsall was shot in
the chest during an attempted robbery in downtown San Francisco.

(02:32:12):
He is in serious but stable condition. The suspect, a
seventeen year old male, was arrested. In college football on
Saturday night, seventh ranked Notre Dame what a number twenty
Texas A and M twenty three to thirteen Notre Dames.
Jeremiah Love the go I had twenty one yard touchdown
run with one fifty four to play third ranked Oregon
over Idaho twenty four to fourteen. This was a three

(02:32:35):
point game, with five point thirty seven to play. Fifth
ranked Alabama over Western Kentucky sixty three to nothing. In
Caylin de Boer's debut, number six Ole miss over the
Furman Andyes seven. Excuse me, the Furman Paladins, I mispronounced
their nickname seventy six to nothing. Ole Miss quarterback Jackson
Dart twenty two of twenty seven for four eighteen five

(02:32:57):
touchdown passes in the first half alone. Ninth rank Michigan
defeated Fresno State thirty to ten in what was a
six point game with five forty four to play. And
in number twenty one Arizona's sixty one to thirty nine
win over New Mexico, Arizona receiver Teteroa McMillan caught ten
passes for three hundred and four yards and four touchdowns.

Speaker 3 (02:33:19):
Finally, Mike and Bucky. One of the best college football social.

Speaker 9 (02:33:24):
Media accounts out there is called message board Geniuses, where
they post screenshots of things that college football fans post
on their respective message boards. And as you guys know,
yesterday Florida lost to nineteenth rank Miami forty one to seventeen.
So a short time ago someone posted on the Florida

(02:33:46):
message board and I quote woke up in a cold
sweat this morning, walked my dogs for a mile before
the sun was up, and couldn't stop thinking about how
bleeped we are firing a coach now is tricky.

Speaker 3 (02:34:01):
It's going to be expensive, but it has to be done.

Speaker 9 (02:34:04):
Urban has no buyout and can be brought in and
hit the trail right away while an interim head coach
finishes out the season unquote. So that is sampling of
the college football message board postings on the day after
the first full Saturday of the season.

Speaker 1 (02:34:22):
Back to you, guys, Oh that's fantastic stuff. Follow Ilo
on Twitter at Isaac loewen Kron as he gets ready
for another long, arduous season Charger football. He's got the
Angel City FC that he does the play by playoff
and again Bucky wearing the crisp white dress shirt for
now for now looks clean. But you know, I'm.

Speaker 4 (02:34:46):
Coffee more impressed.

Speaker 5 (02:34:47):
Yeah, I'm more impressed by the fact that he had
sausa before.

Speaker 4 (02:34:52):
Me.

Speaker 5 (02:34:53):
My guys, if we haven't chips and sausa this early
in the morning, good guys.

Speaker 1 (02:34:56):
Well, maybe he went and got himself some breakfast burritos.
He does like the arches. He likes the arches. He's
a man of routine.

Speaker 9 (02:35:04):
It was on my scrambled eggs and hash browns, though
tortilla chips this early in the morning on the Pacific coast.

Speaker 1 (02:35:10):
He's just pregame and Mockie.

Speaker 5 (02:35:12):
I was like seven o'clock, we got chips and saucer
before seven mile. But now it makes sense. You talk
about the burrito and the eggs, a little pico de
gayo to get it going.

Speaker 4 (02:35:22):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (02:35:23):
But even if not, even if he was living the
other way, I mean, how do you. I mean, you're
living your best life. Get some black meat, some flight
sneak up on a grill and away we go. That's it.
I'm finding a little habachi to start setting up shop
in the Fox Sports Radio courtyard long and they'll they'll
escort me out once and for all. It would be

(02:35:44):
my guest, he's Bucky Brooks. I buy Carmen here. Fox
Sports Radio coming up next, turn our attention back into
the NFL Week one is here? Uh and one or
two last previews and big picture thoughts before we begin
in Ernest on Thursday. We'll do it next year on Fox.
Welcome back in Fox Sports Radio, Fox Football Sunday Remember

(02:36:06):
coming up about ten minutes from now. Countdown to kickoff,
presented by Bett MGM. Get all your insights as Brian,
Jeff and Bill get together for another campaign. Fantastic stuff
began last week and now or two weeks ago, two
weeks ago already? Look how fast this all goes? Is
that now you roll into the NFL season in earnest

(02:36:30):
and one big thing still lingering out there. Bucky is
contract talk. I know it's my numbing to some fascinating
to me ceedee Lamb gets his money. Brandon Ayuk, long
rumored to be traded to any one of twelve sixteams
before it was all said and done, finally gets paid
and back with San Francisco. But San Francisco still has

(02:36:53):
their issue with Trent Williams, three years left on his deal,
seventy five million dollars still to be paid out, but
hasn't been around. And then we've got the whole thing
with Dak Prescott and the Cowboys that'll drag into the season.
Is it gonna take Jason Smith's Jets getting over on
the forty nine ers to get Trent Williams paid and
into camp?

Speaker 5 (02:37:14):
Maybe because if I had to prioritize him, I would
have flipped it. Trim Williams would have been the number
one thing on the to do list, more so than
Brandon Ayuk to me, Brandon Ayuk is more of a
luxury item. Trim Williams is an essential, is an essential
piece to the championship puzzle. Without him, it doesn't work,
like he's the jinger piece. That offensive line does not

(02:37:35):
work without Trent Williams available. And I know he's thirty
six years old. I know he wants to get paid
and has years left on the deal. But when you
look at the offensive tackle market, he is the premier
offensive tackle in the league. He shouldn't have to settle
for money that is well below what the top guys
or who the market needs to be the top guys
are getting. They should have take care of him.

Speaker 4 (02:37:57):
They had time.

Speaker 5 (02:37:58):
Really under Brandon Ayuck thing, but looks played is down.

Speaker 4 (02:38:01):
You played him.

Speaker 5 (02:38:02):
Now you know that Deebo Samuel is probably not going
to be on the team next year. They got to
figure out how to get it going. The thing that's
troubling is not through any fault of his own, but
Ricky Piersaw like the thing that took place in Union
Square where he was raw an attempt to robbery, he
gets shot. How long is he's out? The reason they
drafted Ricky Piersow is because they felt like they couldn't

(02:38:23):
win enough against Man coverage. If he's not available, you
got the same problems that showed up in the Super
Bowl and the same problems that showed up when they
played Cleveland. Some of these other teams that are willing
to play Man demanded game. A lot of problems ahead
for the San Francisco forty nine is because they're suffering
from the Super Bowl hango with a bunch of different
things that's kind of clouding and attracting their focus.

Speaker 1 (02:38:44):
It does seem like they're I have to juggle quite
a few things from the contract chatter, whatever went on,
got Ayuke done? I agree with you in Trent Williams.
And it's that tough decision point of saying, well, the
guy's got multiple years left on the deal and he
wants a new one. It's a different era. You can't
just say, hey, you got to play on it, beat

(02:39:05):
it right. The famous Scottie Pippen he wanted the long
term deal and then realized what a bad move that
was with the Bulls all those years ago. Man, that's
thirty five years in the rear view mirror. At this point,
like today, it's all right where do I stand because
it's not. Look, the money is obviously huge, particularly when
we talk about the guarantees Bucky, but a lot of

(02:39:27):
it is the respect and where you get in those
rankings as well, right commensureate with what your level is.
And he shows no sign of jumping off the cliff
in terms of his play. Just shit, and that line
is rated average without.

Speaker 5 (02:39:44):
Him, They are rated average without him. They don't have
the same kind of up that you want to see
from the forty nine. Is their inability to run the
ball would be problematic if Trent Williams isn't there. Not
to mention the protection, you got a quarterback that you're
gonna have to pay fifty five million plus soon and
brought pretty.

Speaker 4 (02:39:59):
You need your left tackle in the.

Speaker 1 (02:40:00):
Building at Bucky Brooks where you find him on Twitter.
We're just getting started. They're the co super Bowl favorite
with the Chiefs. We'll see how that plays out. Week
one begins countdown to kick offf is next on Fox

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