September 25, 2024 • 26 mins
It's Fox Sports Radio's official fantasy football podcast! Mike Harmon and Dan Beyer give you some final thoughts on Week 3 as we officially shift gears into Week 4! They react to Jim Harbaugh's decision to continue playing Justin Herbert despite a foot injury, and examine what the QB's absence would mean for the Chargers' fantasy options going forward. Plus, a discussion on the NFL schedule and the role it plays in fantasy football!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:33):
Welcome man, it is I want your Flex hit Mike
up at Swallen Dome. You can find me at Dan
Byer on Box. The executive producer is Ian Roddy coming
up a bit later on the podcast. We are three
weeks in and we're starting to hit the stretch of
the season where the NFL becomes normal.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
But there's one thing that we know is not normal. Mike.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
It's the NFL schedule makers. It's something that you and
I love to talk about. Some of the quirks, some
of the good things, some of the bad things. I
hate to say it, but I mostly find a lot
of negatives in how teams are affected when it comes
to making out this eighteen week, seventeen game schedule.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
Well and that's it.
Speaker 5 (01:09):
Right early on, We've seen some teams that have had
to walk many a weary mile or have the curiosities.
For me, I look on the back end, because we
do this a lot as we set up the fantasy season,
Dan of you know, who are you playing down the stretch.
What's it looked like those final four or five weeks,
and maybe you're drafting or avoiding, you know, in a
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tiebreaker coin flip kind of situation. I like this guy
or that guy, and you look at the schedule, Well,
schedule makers are now giving us all these scenarios at
the back end where it's all right, we've got division
game someone else in between, and then that same division
opponent back another week later, or like the Ravens and
a couple others, you've got just all of your division
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games are hiding at the back end of the schedule
kind of thing. So it becomes a frustration in that
guard of you know, trying to flow through. Look at
what Arizona had to do to start the season at
Buffalo and then home games against the Rams and Lions.
Now they get a banged up Rams team and Detroit's
offense isn't quite clicking on all cylinders. Although that lift
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up and carrying David Montgomery like he was part of
a ballet was kind of cool. Saw that happen in
a couple of games, actually running backs just getting carried
or running through hell. They did that Indianapolis versus Chicago.
But it's just that curiosity of all right, I get it.
You've got a big algorithm, You've got a lot of
data points and flights and hotels and all these considerations,
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add concerts and holidays and all the considerations to get through,
but some of them just leave you scratching your head. Right,
My team, the Bears, for their first six games are
against the AFC South, including a Jacksonville date in London.
But like, okay, those all have to be up front,
like is this college and the AFC South is like
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the you know, directional schools before you get into conference play.
I'm just curious as to the thought process sometimes or
if it is all ruled by mileage in points.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
And I'll tell you there are some things that are
popping off and we're going to get to it later
in the podcast. But to Mike's point of what he
was talking about with the Bears, my Seahawks have some quirks.
There's other quirks in the NFL. When we're talking about
schedules that have to be worked out, and the schedule
is what it is, there's nothing you could do. But
I'm telling you it benefits some teams and it does
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not benefit others. So we'll get into that a little
bit later in the podcast. What we are going to
deal with now is a big decision that was made
in Week three that really not only could have fantasy ramifications,
but it could also have ramifications down the line for
how things shape up, specifically in the AFC and specifically
in the AFC West. Do you think Jim Harbaugh should
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have kept just and Herbert out of Week three against Pittsburgh.
Speaker 5 (04:02):
Yes, because you're already at two and oh, and I
know you're going to be looking at it. Hey, we're
chasing Kansas City even there. Look they're three and oh,
they're a much different Kansas City. And that's a deep dive,
you know. I'm sure you did it Sunday, and sure
you did it Monday with Doug. We certainly did. Jason
and I a bit like the different look of what
case is at this point. But you're two and oh
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and your season predicated on him not. You know, the
run game's all finding good and they've been fantastic, and
I know that's what Harbaugh wants to do. But you
talk about the down shift to where the offense has
to go. Oh, and now your offensive linemen are hurt,
so you can't and you don't have your superstar quarterback
to help make up for it. Yeah, very difficult for
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Harball going forward.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Yeah, this is I don't think you should have played either.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
And even Harbaugh saying, I if I see any limb,
I'm pulling him right away.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
He's coming out of the game. That's your job as
the head coach is to say, all right.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
You aren't going to play. We're not gonna we're not
gonna risk this. We'd like you back next week for
Kansas City. And I think they got a little greedy.
I think that they felt and it was a game
that they could win. Mike sure, just Yeah, the game
against the Chiefs is a game that they can also
win if they have Justin Herbert. But they're not going
to if they don't have him. And I really doubt,
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especially because I bring up the bye weeks and when
the bye weeks start in Week five, Guess who is
a bye the Los Angeles Chargers.
Speaker 5 (05:30):
Hoping that you can steal two games. Yeah, I mean
that's that's tough.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
Man.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
Like if it was one game and then you say,
all right, I see a limp whatever, he's out. But
even then it's like, wait till after the bye week
and move on. You got a long season ahead of
you in the AFC. I mean outside of the Bills, Dan,
at this point through three weeks, is there any other
team that you just say, Wow, they've got it all together?
Speaker 3 (05:59):
No?
Speaker 5 (05:59):
No, right, I mean the Ravens are gonna give let
you back into games, right. Their defense isn't what it was.
Their offensive lines not great either. The biggest thing Mark
Andrews did for anybody this week was quote pancake blocks.
Sure as hell wasn't in the scoreboard, in the box score.
But who's running away and hiding nobody? I mean, the
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Steelers are three and zero. Defense is going to be great.
So long as TJ. Watts upright and Mike Tomlin's their coach,
that's great. They're scoring, They're gonna score twenty points a game?
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Maybe, yeah, maybe?
Speaker 4 (06:33):
Right. I mean that's the that's.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Where I thought Number that's where I think he talked
himself into it, like if they're only going to score twenty,
we can we can protect them and we can run
the football.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
We can get out of here with a win.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
And it's just it stinks that the injury happened when
it did, but you can do preventive measures to not
make it worse. And I think the Chargers made it worse.
I think I think they're a really good football team
when they're hell, they've shown it the first two weeks
of the season. I know it's the Raiders, I know
it's the Panthers, but still I don't I don't think
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they did themselves any favors of the game in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 5 (07:10):
Yeah, now you're in a tough spot, right because you're
injured all over the place, and you got a one
game suspension pending appeal for Derwyn James. Yes, right, two
offensive linemens, both Slater and All might not be Availa
All might miss a couple of weeks here. He might
be out through the bye so you know, and maybe
beyond that with an MCL. So, yeah, it suddenly got
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pretty grizzly there for a squad that was going to
bank on toughness and that physicality to run through.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
I think Green Bay played it safe with Jordan Love
and we'll find out more of his status as the
week goes on. But I think that they looked at
the game against the Vikings in week four and said,
all right, if we can have a fully healthy Jordan
Love back, we don't need to rush him back for Tennessee.
They could have lost that game against Tennessee. Not when
the game kicked off and then we saw there, you know,
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kick the you know what out of him. But it
wasn't a foregone conclusion that we thought Milik Willis was
going to do what he did. Maybe green Bay you know,
knew something that we didn't have the utmost confidence that
they could win that game. But that would be a
more damaging game, uh, you know, to the to the
Packers playoff hopes is losing that game, then then what
the Chargers would have against the Steelers, and the Packers
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decided to play it safe and worked with them. I
think they may have Jordan Love and week four and
now the Chargers are gonna have to deal with this.
Speaker 5 (08:29):
I would say, even with Jordan Love, right, you just
stole two games. Yep, that you didn't think you were
going to get so I not that you want to
give away a division game quote giveaway, you know what
I mean? Because look, Malik Willis has been fantastic. He
was great this past week. But it's the idea that,
all right, we got these w's, do we need to
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rush him back if if one more week is going
to be you know whatever in the the doctor's eyes,
that much better for his longevity of risk reward and
everything else. Sorry, we'll take our defense against Sam Darnold
and do our best. See Jordan Love in week five.
At least that's my thought if I'm coaching, because look,
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we already paid him. Yeah, right, like it's so now,
it's all right, he's our guy for the long term.
How do we get the best long term because we're
playing for January, not for the end of September.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
It is I want your flex. Hit Mike up at
Swallend Home and find me at Dan Byer on Fox.
Ian Roddy is our executive producer. Find him at Ian
Roddy Underscore. So, Mike Carmen, let's get into some of
these scheduling quirks. What was the Bears one again? You
had for the over their AFC they play how many
AFC teams of the first six.
Speaker 5 (09:42):
One so they've already played them the first three, right,
So Tennessee at Houston, at Indianapolis, and then week six
it's Jacksonville in London.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Okay, So there's so four out of six.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
And then they have a bye week.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
So it's like, I don't want to denigrate the AFC South, right,
they're all divisions, they all count just the same. We
hug and love them all. Just from a schedule making standpoints. Why,
how does this make any sense?
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Yeah, it doesn't. It doesn't make any sense, and you
know it doesn't make any sense. Also, Mike, for the
fact of the Minnesota Vikings and Green Bay Packers are
going to be playing a now what pretty important Week
four divisional game, considering how things have gone for Minnesota
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as of late. So to front load your Bears schedule
with AFC teams and they have also in that division
the Packers and Vikings play. These are these inequities that
you were just talking about earlier as well that we
see throughout the NFL schedule, and the Seahawks are in
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the kind of the same boat as your Bears are.
Mic they started off with the Broncos, Patriots, and Dolphins.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
You know, there's eleven.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Super Bowls between those three teams, but they also have
something in commona that they're all in the AFC. So
when you have these tilts in the rams at forty nine,
Ers just played a pretty important game for what the
NFC West is going to settle out to be.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
In Week three, Yeah, not everything is.
Speaker 5 (11:22):
Even well, but you know, here's another great example. Right,
Steelers are three and zero. Here your wins Atlanta, Denver,
Los Angeles first two on the road, and then the
Chargers at home. And we'll roll through the schedule. Fine, fine, fine, okay,
Week eleven, they will play their first divisional game Week eleven,
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and then they go Baltimore, Cleveland, Cincinnati, Cleveland home road,
road home, And get this, here's the final four games
at Philadelphia at Baltimore home against Kansas City home against Cincinnati.
M So after their buyer week row, right after their
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bye week, their only game that you thought was kind
of easy until you realized, hey, it's not is They've
got a road game against Washington before that grind.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Wow. You know what I wish the NFL would do.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
I would almost like, I would almost rather have them
do segments, you know, just so everybody's if if you
want to do divisional games, uh play play them all
the first three weeks of the season, right, everybody's kind
of in the same boat. You're thinking you're mostly healthy
at that point. Get get half of those out of
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the way, because what ends up happening is these important
games are that affected by injuries, and you can't plan
for injuries. I understand that, but if a guy is
is ends up suffering a significant injury in let's say,
in a Week three game, the four forty nine ers
just had to deal with coming in shorthanded against the Rams,
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for them maybe have then the next week they get
the play Seattle or the week prior. It just doesn't
make any sense to have this all spread out in
a certain way where maybe now all of a sudden,
the forty nine ers are fully healthy in Week eight
when they have to play another NFC West team. It
just it seems to I think that would be the
best way to even it out, where everybody is just
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kind of playing in the same scenarios, playing in the
same weather conditions, if that becomes a factor, because otherwise
it's just way too scattered.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
Yeah, I mean, I'm all about the.
Speaker 5 (13:37):
Idea that we want some meaningful games down the stretch,
you know, the divisional games with a lot on the
line down down in weeks, you know, sixteen, seventeen, and eighteen.
I understand that, But to backload some of these schedules
like that, we're seeing teams that are shells of themselves.
We know attrition happens for some of these teams. You know,
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the football gods have come and smited them early, like
we're talking about the forty nine ers. We're talking about
the Chargers once again. I thought we exercised that demon
and did the sage brush thing with the Chargers with
a new strength coach and everything else. But here we
are again the same old song and dance, but just
the idea that we'll go into the back end of
the season and you never know when they're gonna pop up,
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but they're inevitable. But to think that, all right, this
team's gone through week eight or week now, and now
it's time for the divisional part of their schedule and
maybe they're at half half staff for that, I mean
just really kind of ticks me off. For fantasy purposes,
you have to think about it as we are doing.
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You know, the football slash fantasy side of it. You
know where you're trying to account for. You know, the
strength of schedule and everything else. So you build that in.
But from the straight schedule making of the road of
a team, to have all that backloaded with that weight
that might be on the arm of a backup or
third string quarterback just seems patently false and unfair.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
I'll say this, I think bye weeks should be by
divisions right like, while yeah, if you are, if you're
the NFL and you're making this be important, you're making
these divisional games mean more, then make it a level
of playing field. Don't have one team of a bye
in the division in week five and then have one
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of a bye in week fourteen. It's have them all
in the same week, and then they're all dealing with
the same thing. Hey guess what, we all had an
early buy. So by the time whenever we play each
other in week thirteen, if that's how it's set up,
then people have gone through their own similar paths and
they've come out the way that they are. And I'll
say another thing, their emphasis on week eighteen in previously
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Week seventeen, when it was a sixteen game schedule, of
having that Sunday night game be that play off winner
goes home flies directly in the face of what they
are trying to tell us, because what they want is
they want that Sunday night game to be the winner
takes all, winner goes to the playoffs. But what you're
also doing is you're saying, you know, all those one
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o'clock Eastern time kickoffs that weren't considered for Sunday night
because they don't mean anything. Those are also divisional games.
So now you have in a schedule where you're only
playing six divisional games. One of those six doesn't mean
anything to how you're actually supposed to set up the division.
It contradicts completely what the NFL tries to tell us.
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There's seven or eight games Mike, in that one o'clock
window that have no meaning whatsoever that are divisional games,
and they're all divisional games because that's what the NFL wants,
and they're thinking, oh, great, well, this is the way
that we can set up our great Monday night winner
take all game or the new Saturday night game that
they're playing there. But it just completely flies in the
face of what they're really trying to tell us, because
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you have a bunch of meaningless divisional games in the
week eighteen.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
No, that's it.
Speaker 5 (17:03):
I mean those six were supposed to have more, more meaning, right, more,
more emphasis, more, more bang for the buck, and based
on where a lot of them are in the schedule,
we could do that. Pittsburgh's the most egregious of the examples, Dan,
but we could do this with so many other teams
where you're just waited at the back end, and knowing
the brutality of this sport, you're a lesser team starting
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to play what we're supposed to be the most meaningful
games on your slate.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
You know it's I'll take the Jets. I'll take Ian's
Jets as the example. Awful schedule for them completely.
Speaker 5 (17:37):
All the prime times they've already played what they played
three games in eleven days on the short weeks.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Yeah, yeah, it's it's awful.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
They did them a favor by starting out West Coast
to start the season. I think that helps in terms
of your preparation. It's tough to do both travel there
and back across country, but teams have to do it
all the time. And more teams actually are going out
east than they are out west. But they did the
Jets a little favor by putting that week one, but
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then they kept them on the road in week two,
short weekend, home, week three, Week four, normal game. By
the way, the team that they're playing in Week four,
the Broncos also completely screwed in the schedule. And then
you've got the London game that we've talked about with
the Vikings in week five for the Jets. So then
you go to London and then you fly back and
guess what Monday night against the Bills, you're like, extra
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day of rest. Perfect, that's a pretty big game against Buffalo.
Then you have a short week against Pittsburgh. Like it
it doesn't like, you know, can I get on a
sleep schedule please? I think it's what the Jets are saying.
The Broncos, by the way, started out in Seattle home
pit stop week two, losing to the Pittsburgh Steelers. Then
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let's go completely across the country to Tampa. Let's play
Week three and then guess what, We're gonna stay out
east and play the Jets in week four? Like, how
does Denver have three road games to the first four
and two of which happened in the Eastern time zone,
and one of them is in the farthest corner of
the United States where it's a long drip for anybody
who plays like it's just certain teams are really getting screwed.
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And we're not even talking about a lot of the
East Coast. Denver's in the they're not in the Midwest,
but hey, they're in the Rockies. It's not like everywhere
is far for them. They've had to go everywhere so
far at the start of the season, just not this
is the problem with the schedule that just really really bothers.
Speaker 5 (19:29):
Me trying to get your continuity consistency in terms of
how you're handling so many changeovers and coaching staffs. We
talked about it to start the year on the podcast,
as I mean, half of your coordinators changed over, so
a lot of the language and everything else, and now
you have to add in changes to body schedules and
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everything else based on crazy ass travel and non divisional,
non what you play at these NFC teams. If you're
an AFC squad every four years, right, so it's a
much different thing, especially if you're doing the short weeks
to change that up in terms of prep because there's
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not the familiarity. So yeah, it's it's a it's something
we talk about every every year, and I think even
every year it gets a little bit worse. Your Week
eighteen divisional thing is probably the thing that is the
exclamation point to it all.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Yeah, it just doesn't make a lot of sense. And
then this year what they're taking. They're taking the Steelers,
the Texans, the Ravens, and are the Chiefs. They're a
part of that four team group to get our Wednesday
Christmas game, you know, like they you know, those teams
are all gonna probably have something a lot to play
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for and they have the funky two of the teams
are gonna play on Saturday, so then they're gonna play
on Wednesday. And I mean it's yeah, I I mean,
I know it can't be fair for everybody, and you
can't be you know, completely fair, but there's just a
lot of weird quirks and a lot of hurdles that
some teams have to jump over that others don't have to.
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Oh well, it's always fun to talk about these little things.
It's also a good venting session. I opened in skew
two negative on the schedule because there were very few
positives that I mentioned.
Speaker 5 (21:21):
No, well, I mean, we're still going to play two
hundred and seventy two games of regular season football, and
we celebrate all of them, we rank them as some
are better than others. And yes it's not perfect. I mean,
the sport itself has plenty of flaws, but we keep
coming back week after week waiting for the next round
of drama while eating pizza wings and consuming mass quantities
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of beverages.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
And I'll tell you what, the person that's listening to
this and the saying I just shut up and play
probably right. You know, they're probably right, just as Denver,
who I just said they're getting a raw deal, and
they went to Tampa and you know, kick the crap
out of the Bucks in week three, So it didn't
seem to affect them in any way. But it is
just curious on how the NFL makes these decisions and
just fun to talk about. But if division divisions are
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on the line, or you know, division standings of the
jockeying for position, it does have an effect. I don't
know if Homer Road has an effect. Mike in this
NFL anymore. My goodness with the you know, with the
teams that we've seen go on the road and have
great success, but still fun to talk about it.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
Well, I was chuckling, you know, the amount of hand
ringing for games in Las Vegas and La. The LA
thing is the same old story. Look at the takeover
by the forty Niners. Like the NFL doesn't care. The
people who own the stadiums don't care.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
As long as.
Speaker 5 (22:39):
There's an ass in a seat that has a credit
card that works.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
Everybody's happy.
Speaker 5 (22:44):
Yep, right, as long as they don't cause problems to
their fellow patrons, their security. Give me my money, cheer
for who you want. Make it look good on TV.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
I'm good story, that's it. I yeah, And we knew
it was going to be forty nine ers takeover. I
feel that the LA fan Mason, the Rams and the Chargers,
you know, like it's low hanging fruit. You'd be surprised
at what stadiums you go into and the amount of
opposing fans that are actually in those places.
Speaker 5 (23:14):
No, And in the end, Dan, if I've got season
tickets for my squad, and I know I can sell
one or two games and pay for my year.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
Yeah, why would I not do that? Correct? Right?
Speaker 4 (23:26):
I mean I love the game day experience.
Speaker 5 (23:28):
One of the big consternation, you know, and sticking points
of the job that we do, is sometimes we don't
get to get out.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
Right. I work in the evenings Monday through Friday.
Speaker 5 (23:36):
So getting the opportunity to just go over to Dodger
Stadium or insert other concert or sports venue here isn't
there on the weekends. Gotta watch games because we've got
to be ready to do this. And I'm not lamenting it,
just saying that, you know, at the end of the day,
if I've got season tickets, all right, I paid for whatever,
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the nine games for the football package, right, assume my
one preseason game. Yeah, I don't know that I want
to go nine times. Well, sure, right, And maybe I do.
And I hope that you know, the fervor that fandom
is there. But if say the Raiders are coming to
Los Angeles and I can get someone to pay for
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four of my games, do I run the risk that
maybe they're a bad actor. Sure, and maybe there's something
that comes to it, and you know, with all the
metrics they have now that maybe I put my tickets
in bad standing by selling them off. But the reality is,
you know, you're trying to make it the best experience
and the most cost effective as well, so takeovers happen.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
I'm gonna make one final point, like, if you own
Arizona Cardinal season tickets, you now have three home games.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
In your first four weeks.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Yeah, you kind of want to breather to be honest, like,
do you want to be there for the first three
You know, it's not the first three Sundays, but three
out of the first four Sundays. It's nice to go,
all right, we got one weekend, or hey it's a
back to back week, but when you have it three
straight weekends and you're obligated with those tickets, maybe you're like, Okay,
well we're not going to go three straight weekends, so
because we've got this going on, or we missed this
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last week because of the game.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
Yeah, another schedule.
Speaker 5 (25:14):
I gotta tell you, I half want to be in
Arizona back to back weeks. Ian Dan Week nine, Chicago
Week ten, Jets, and then they have a bye week.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
Yeah, I was gonna say, then they're at Seattle. So
I'm a part of the equation.
Speaker 5 (25:29):
The week well think about it though, I mean, you
got the Chargers week seven at home, week eight, at Miami,
week nine and ten, Chicago and New York week eleven, bye,
and then they're at Seattle.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Uh crazy road trip. Let's go nex road trip?
Speaker 2 (25:43):
All right there, it is schedule one oh one. Hopefully
we have a passing grade. So for Mike, carmen Ian,
Roddy and myself, Dan Bayer join us for our next episode.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
Will we get you set for week four?
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Mike's got his top five rankings, top plays, Coultars and
Ninjas and the whole shebang. We're gonna get you set
for some winning fantasy football. We will talk to you
next time right here, and I want your plays.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
M hm
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Speaker 2 (00:33):
Welcome man, it is I want your Flex hit Mike
up at Swallen Dome. You can find me at Dan
Byer on Box. The executive producer is Ian Roddy coming
up a bit later on the podcast. We are three
weeks in and we're starting to hit the stretch of
the season where the NFL becomes normal.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
But there's one thing that we know is not normal. Mike.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
It's the NFL schedule makers. It's something that you and
I love to talk about. Some of the quirks, some
of the good things, some of the bad things. I
hate to say it, but I mostly find a lot
of negatives in how teams are affected when it comes
to making out this eighteen week, seventeen game schedule.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
Well and that's it.
Speaker 5 (01:09):
Right early on, We've seen some teams that have had
to walk many a weary mile or have the curiosities.
For me, I look on the back end, because we
do this a lot as we set up the fantasy season,
Dan of you know, who are you playing down the stretch.
What's it looked like those final four or five weeks,
and maybe you're drafting or avoiding, you know, in a
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tiebreaker coin flip kind of situation. I like this guy
or that guy, and you look at the schedule, Well,
schedule makers are now giving us all these scenarios at
the back end where it's all right, we've got division
game someone else in between, and then that same division
opponent back another week later, or like the Ravens and
a couple others, you've got just all of your division
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games are hiding at the back end of the schedule
kind of thing. So it becomes a frustration in that
guard of you know, trying to flow through. Look at
what Arizona had to do to start the season at
Buffalo and then home games against the Rams and Lions.
Now they get a banged up Rams team and Detroit's
offense isn't quite clicking on all cylinders. Although that lift
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up and carrying David Montgomery like he was part of
a ballet was kind of cool. Saw that happen in
a couple of games, actually running backs just getting carried
or running through hell. They did that Indianapolis versus Chicago.
But it's just that curiosity of all right, I get it.
You've got a big algorithm, You've got a lot of
data points and flights and hotels and all these considerations,
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add concerts and holidays and all the considerations to get through,
but some of them just leave you scratching your head. Right,
My team, the Bears, for their first six games are
against the AFC South, including a Jacksonville date in London.
But like, okay, those all have to be up front,
like is this college and the AFC South is like
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the you know, directional schools before you get into conference play.
I'm just curious as to the thought process sometimes or
if it is all ruled by mileage in points.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
And I'll tell you there are some things that are
popping off and we're going to get to it later
in the podcast. But to Mike's point of what he
was talking about with the Bears, my Seahawks have some quirks.
There's other quirks in the NFL. When we're talking about
schedules that have to be worked out, and the schedule
is what it is, there's nothing you could do. But
I'm telling you it benefits some teams and it does
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not benefit others. So we'll get into that a little
bit later in the podcast. What we are going to
deal with now is a big decision that was made
in Week three that really not only could have fantasy ramifications,
but it could also have ramifications down the line for
how things shape up, specifically in the AFC and specifically
in the AFC West. Do you think Jim Harbaugh should
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have kept just and Herbert out of Week three against Pittsburgh.
Speaker 5 (04:02):
Yes, because you're already at two and oh, and I
know you're going to be looking at it. Hey, we're
chasing Kansas City even there. Look they're three and oh,
they're a much different Kansas City. And that's a deep dive,
you know. I'm sure you did it Sunday, and sure
you did it Monday with Doug. We certainly did. Jason
and I a bit like the different look of what
case is at this point. But you're two and oh
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and your season predicated on him not. You know, the
run game's all finding good and they've been fantastic, and
I know that's what Harbaugh wants to do. But you
talk about the down shift to where the offense has
to go. Oh, and now your offensive linemen are hurt,
so you can't and you don't have your superstar quarterback
to help make up for it. Yeah, very difficult for
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Harball going forward.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Yeah, this is I don't think you should have played either.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
And even Harbaugh saying, I if I see any limb,
I'm pulling him right away.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
He's coming out of the game. That's your job as
the head coach is to say, all right.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
You aren't going to play. We're not gonna we're not
gonna risk this. We'd like you back next week for
Kansas City. And I think they got a little greedy.
I think that they felt and it was a game
that they could win. Mike sure, just Yeah, the game
against the Chiefs is a game that they can also
win if they have Justin Herbert. But they're not going
to if they don't have him. And I really doubt,
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especially because I bring up the bye weeks and when
the bye weeks start in Week five, Guess who is
a bye the Los Angeles Chargers.
Speaker 5 (05:30):
Hoping that you can steal two games. Yeah, I mean
that's that's tough.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
Man.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
Like if it was one game and then you say,
all right, I see a limp whatever, he's out. But
even then it's like, wait till after the bye week
and move on. You got a long season ahead of
you in the AFC. I mean outside of the Bills, Dan,
at this point through three weeks, is there any other
team that you just say, Wow, they've got it all together?
Speaker 3 (05:59):
No?
Speaker 5 (05:59):
No, right, I mean the Ravens are gonna give let
you back into games, right. Their defense isn't what it was.
Their offensive lines not great either. The biggest thing Mark
Andrews did for anybody this week was quote pancake blocks.
Sure as hell wasn't in the scoreboard, in the box score.
But who's running away and hiding nobody? I mean, the
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Steelers are three and zero. Defense is going to be great.
So long as TJ. Watts upright and Mike Tomlin's their coach,
that's great. They're scoring, They're gonna score twenty points a game?
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Maybe, yeah, maybe?
Speaker 4 (06:33):
Right. I mean that's the that's.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Where I thought Number that's where I think he talked
himself into it, like if they're only going to score twenty,
we can we can protect them and we can run
the football.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
We can get out of here with a win.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
And it's just it stinks that the injury happened when
it did, but you can do preventive measures to not
make it worse. And I think the Chargers made it worse.
I think I think they're a really good football team
when they're hell, they've shown it the first two weeks
of the season. I know it's the Raiders, I know
it's the Panthers, but still I don't I don't think
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they did themselves any favors of the game in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 5 (07:10):
Yeah, now you're in a tough spot, right because you're
injured all over the place, and you got a one
game suspension pending appeal for Derwyn James. Yes, right, two
offensive linemens, both Slater and All might not be Availa
All might miss a couple of weeks here. He might
be out through the bye so you know, and maybe
beyond that with an MCL. So, yeah, it suddenly got
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pretty grizzly there for a squad that was going to
bank on toughness and that physicality to run through.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
I think Green Bay played it safe with Jordan Love
and we'll find out more of his status as the
week goes on. But I think that they looked at
the game against the Vikings in week four and said,
all right, if we can have a fully healthy Jordan
Love back, we don't need to rush him back for Tennessee.
They could have lost that game against Tennessee. Not when
the game kicked off and then we saw there, you know,
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kick the you know what out of him. But it
wasn't a foregone conclusion that we thought Milik Willis was
going to do what he did. Maybe green Bay you know,
knew something that we didn't have the utmost confidence that
they could win that game. But that would be a
more damaging game, uh, you know, to the to the
Packers playoff hopes is losing that game, then then what
the Chargers would have against the Steelers, and the Packers
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decided to play it safe and worked with them. I
think they may have Jordan Love and week four and
now the Chargers are gonna have to deal with this.
Speaker 5 (08:29):
I would say, even with Jordan Love, right, you just
stole two games. Yep, that you didn't think you were
going to get so I not that you want to
give away a division game quote giveaway, you know what
I mean? Because look, Malik Willis has been fantastic. He
was great this past week. But it's the idea that,
all right, we got these w's, do we need to
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rush him back if if one more week is going
to be you know whatever in the the doctor's eyes,
that much better for his longevity of risk reward and
everything else. Sorry, we'll take our defense against Sam Darnold
and do our best. See Jordan Love in week five.
At least that's my thought if I'm coaching, because look,
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we already paid him. Yeah, right, like it's so now,
it's all right, he's our guy for the long term.
How do we get the best long term because we're
playing for January, not for the end of September.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
It is I want your flex. Hit Mike up at
Swallend Home and find me at Dan Byer on Fox.
Ian Roddy is our executive producer. Find him at Ian
Roddy Underscore. So, Mike Carmen, let's get into some of
these scheduling quirks. What was the Bears one again? You
had for the over their AFC they play how many
AFC teams of the first six.
Speaker 5 (09:42):
One so they've already played them the first three, right,
So Tennessee at Houston, at Indianapolis, and then week six
it's Jacksonville in London.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Okay, So there's so four out of six.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
And then they have a bye week.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
So it's like, I don't want to denigrate the AFC South, right,
they're all divisions, they all count just the same. We
hug and love them all. Just from a schedule making standpoints. Why,
how does this make any sense?
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Yeah, it doesn't. It doesn't make any sense, and you
know it doesn't make any sense. Also, Mike, for the
fact of the Minnesota Vikings and Green Bay Packers are
going to be playing a now what pretty important Week
four divisional game, considering how things have gone for Minnesota
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as of late. So to front load your Bears schedule
with AFC teams and they have also in that division
the Packers and Vikings play. These are these inequities that
you were just talking about earlier as well that we
see throughout the NFL schedule, and the Seahawks are in
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the kind of the same boat as your Bears are.
Mic they started off with the Broncos, Patriots, and Dolphins.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
You know, there's eleven.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Super Bowls between those three teams, but they also have
something in commona that they're all in the AFC. So
when you have these tilts in the rams at forty nine,
Ers just played a pretty important game for what the
NFC West is going to settle out to be.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
In Week three, Yeah, not everything is.
Speaker 5 (11:22):
Even well, but you know, here's another great example. Right,
Steelers are three and zero. Here your wins Atlanta, Denver,
Los Angeles first two on the road, and then the
Chargers at home. And we'll roll through the schedule. Fine, fine, fine, okay,
Week eleven, they will play their first divisional game Week eleven,
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and then they go Baltimore, Cleveland, Cincinnati, Cleveland home road,
road home, And get this, here's the final four games
at Philadelphia at Baltimore home against Kansas City home against Cincinnati.
M So after their buyer week row, right after their
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bye week, their only game that you thought was kind
of easy until you realized, hey, it's not is They've
got a road game against Washington before that grind.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Wow. You know what I wish the NFL would do.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
I would almost like, I would almost rather have them
do segments, you know, just so everybody's if if you
want to do divisional games, uh play play them all
the first three weeks of the season, right, everybody's kind
of in the same boat. You're thinking you're mostly healthy
at that point. Get get half of those out of
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the way, because what ends up happening is these important
games are that affected by injuries, and you can't plan
for injuries. I understand that, but if a guy is
is ends up suffering a significant injury in let's say,
in a Week three game, the four forty nine ers
just had to deal with coming in shorthanded against the Rams,
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for them maybe have then the next week they get
the play Seattle or the week prior. It just doesn't
make any sense to have this all spread out in
a certain way where maybe now all of a sudden,
the forty nine ers are fully healthy in Week eight
when they have to play another NFC West team. It
just it seems to I think that would be the
best way to even it out, where everybody is just
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kind of playing in the same scenarios, playing in the
same weather conditions, if that becomes a factor, because otherwise
it's just way too scattered.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
Yeah, I mean, I'm all about the.
Speaker 5 (13:37):
Idea that we want some meaningful games down the stretch,
you know, the divisional games with a lot on the
line down down in weeks, you know, sixteen, seventeen, and eighteen.
I understand that, But to backload some of these schedules
like that, we're seeing teams that are shells of themselves.
We know attrition happens for some of these teams. You know,
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the football gods have come and smited them early, like
we're talking about the forty nine ers. We're talking about
the Chargers once again. I thought we exercised that demon
and did the sage brush thing with the Chargers with
a new strength coach and everything else. But here we
are again the same old song and dance, but just
the idea that we'll go into the back end of
the season and you never know when they're gonna pop up,
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but they're inevitable. But to think that, all right, this
team's gone through week eight or week now, and now
it's time for the divisional part of their schedule and
maybe they're at half half staff for that, I mean
just really kind of ticks me off. For fantasy purposes,
you have to think about it as we are doing.
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You know, the football slash fantasy side of it. You
know where you're trying to account for. You know, the
strength of schedule and everything else. So you build that in.
But from the straight schedule making of the road of
a team, to have all that backloaded with that weight
that might be on the arm of a backup or
third string quarterback just seems patently false and unfair.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
I'll say this, I think bye weeks should be by
divisions right like, while yeah, if you are, if you're
the NFL and you're making this be important, you're making
these divisional games mean more, then make it a level
of playing field. Don't have one team of a bye
in the division in week five and then have one
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of a bye in week fourteen. It's have them all
in the same week, and then they're all dealing with
the same thing. Hey guess what, we all had an
early buy. So by the time whenever we play each
other in week thirteen, if that's how it's set up,
then people have gone through their own similar paths and
they've come out the way that they are. And I'll
say another thing, their emphasis on week eighteen in previously
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Week seventeen, when it was a sixteen game schedule, of
having that Sunday night game be that play off winner
goes home flies directly in the face of what they
are trying to tell us, because what they want is
they want that Sunday night game to be the winner
takes all, winner goes to the playoffs. But what you're
also doing is you're saying, you know, all those one
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o'clock Eastern time kickoffs that weren't considered for Sunday night
because they don't mean anything. Those are also divisional games.
So now you have in a schedule where you're only
playing six divisional games. One of those six doesn't mean
anything to how you're actually supposed to set up the division.
It contradicts completely what the NFL tries to tell us.
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There's seven or eight games Mike, in that one o'clock
window that have no meaning whatsoever that are divisional games,
and they're all divisional games because that's what the NFL wants,
and they're thinking, oh, great, well, this is the way
that we can set up our great Monday night winner
take all game or the new Saturday night game that
they're playing there. But it just completely flies in the
face of what they're really trying to tell us, because
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you have a bunch of meaningless divisional games in the
week eighteen.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
No, that's it.
Speaker 5 (17:03):
I mean those six were supposed to have more, more meaning, right, more,
more emphasis, more, more bang for the buck, and based
on where a lot of them are in the schedule,
we could do that. Pittsburgh's the most egregious of the examples, Dan,
but we could do this with so many other teams
where you're just waited at the back end, and knowing
the brutality of this sport, you're a lesser team starting
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to play what we're supposed to be the most meaningful
games on your slate.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
You know it's I'll take the Jets. I'll take Ian's
Jets as the example. Awful schedule for them completely.
Speaker 5 (17:37):
All the prime times they've already played what they played
three games in eleven days on the short weeks.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Yeah, yeah, it's it's awful.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
They did them a favor by starting out West Coast
to start the season. I think that helps in terms
of your preparation. It's tough to do both travel there
and back across country, but teams have to do it
all the time. And more teams actually are going out
east than they are out west. But they did the
Jets a little favor by putting that week one, but
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then they kept them on the road in week two,
short weekend, home, week three, Week four, normal game. By
the way, the team that they're playing in Week four,
the Broncos also completely screwed in the schedule. And then
you've got the London game that we've talked about with
the Vikings in week five for the Jets. So then
you go to London and then you fly back and
guess what Monday night against the Bills, you're like, extra
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day of rest. Perfect, that's a pretty big game against Buffalo.
Then you have a short week against Pittsburgh. Like it
it doesn't like, you know, can I get on a
sleep schedule please? I think it's what the Jets are saying.
The Broncos, by the way, started out in Seattle home
pit stop week two, losing to the Pittsburgh Steelers. Then
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let's go completely across the country to Tampa. Let's play
Week three and then guess what, We're gonna stay out
east and play the Jets in week four? Like, how
does Denver have three road games to the first four
and two of which happened in the Eastern time zone,
and one of them is in the farthest corner of
the United States where it's a long drip for anybody
who plays like it's just certain teams are really getting screwed.
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And we're not even talking about a lot of the
East Coast. Denver's in the they're not in the Midwest,
but hey, they're in the Rockies. It's not like everywhere
is far for them. They've had to go everywhere so
far at the start of the season, just not this
is the problem with the schedule that just really really bothers.
Speaker 5 (19:29):
Me trying to get your continuity consistency in terms of
how you're handling so many changeovers and coaching staffs. We
talked about it to start the year on the podcast,
as I mean, half of your coordinators changed over, so
a lot of the language and everything else, and now
you have to add in changes to body schedules and
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everything else based on crazy ass travel and non divisional,
non what you play at these NFC teams. If you're
an AFC squad every four years, right, so it's a
much different thing, especially if you're doing the short weeks
to change that up in terms of prep because there's
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not the familiarity. So yeah, it's it's a it's something
we talk about every every year, and I think even
every year it gets a little bit worse. Your Week
eighteen divisional thing is probably the thing that is the
exclamation point to it all.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Yeah, it just doesn't make a lot of sense. And
then this year what they're taking. They're taking the Steelers,
the Texans, the Ravens, and are the Chiefs. They're a
part of that four team group to get our Wednesday
Christmas game, you know, like they you know, those teams
are all gonna probably have something a lot to play
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for and they have the funky two of the teams
are gonna play on Saturday, so then they're gonna play
on Wednesday. And I mean it's yeah, I I mean,
I know it can't be fair for everybody, and you
can't be you know, completely fair, but there's just a
lot of weird quirks and a lot of hurdles that
some teams have to jump over that others don't have to.
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Oh well, it's always fun to talk about these little things.
It's also a good venting session. I opened in skew
two negative on the schedule because there were very few
positives that I mentioned.
Speaker 5 (21:21):
No, well, I mean, we're still going to play two
hundred and seventy two games of regular season football, and
we celebrate all of them, we rank them as some
are better than others. And yes it's not perfect. I mean,
the sport itself has plenty of flaws, but we keep
coming back week after week waiting for the next round
of drama while eating pizza wings and consuming mass quantities
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of beverages.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
And I'll tell you what, the person that's listening to
this and the saying I just shut up and play
probably right. You know, they're probably right, just as Denver,
who I just said they're getting a raw deal, and
they went to Tampa and you know, kick the crap
out of the Bucks in week three, So it didn't
seem to affect them in any way. But it is
just curious on how the NFL makes these decisions and
just fun to talk about. But if division divisions are
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on the line, or you know, division standings of the
jockeying for position, it does have an effect. I don't
know if Homer Road has an effect. Mike in this
NFL anymore. My goodness with the you know, with the
teams that we've seen go on the road and have
great success, but still fun to talk about it.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
Well, I was chuckling, you know, the amount of hand
ringing for games in Las Vegas and La. The LA
thing is the same old story. Look at the takeover
by the forty Niners. Like the NFL doesn't care. The
people who own the stadiums don't care.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
As long as.
Speaker 5 (22:39):
There's an ass in a seat that has a credit
card that works.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
Everybody's happy.
Speaker 5 (22:44):
Yep, right, as long as they don't cause problems to
their fellow patrons, their security. Give me my money, cheer
for who you want. Make it look good on TV.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
I'm good story, that's it. I yeah, And we knew
it was going to be forty nine ers takeover. I
feel that the LA fan Mason, the Rams and the Chargers,
you know, like it's low hanging fruit. You'd be surprised
at what stadiums you go into and the amount of
opposing fans that are actually in those places.
Speaker 5 (23:14):
No, And in the end, Dan, if I've got season
tickets for my squad, and I know I can sell
one or two games and pay for my year.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
Yeah, why would I not do that? Correct? Right?
Speaker 4 (23:26):
I mean I love the game day experience.
Speaker 5 (23:28):
One of the big consternation, you know, and sticking points
of the job that we do, is sometimes we don't
get to get out.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
Right. I work in the evenings Monday through Friday.
Speaker 5 (23:36):
So getting the opportunity to just go over to Dodger
Stadium or insert other concert or sports venue here isn't
there on the weekends. Gotta watch games because we've got
to be ready to do this. And I'm not lamenting it,
just saying that, you know, at the end of the day,
if I've got season tickets, all right, I paid for whatever,
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the nine games for the football package, right, assume my
one preseason game. Yeah, I don't know that I want
to go nine times. Well, sure, right, And maybe I do.
And I hope that you know, the fervor that fandom
is there. But if say the Raiders are coming to
Los Angeles and I can get someone to pay for
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four of my games, do I run the risk that
maybe they're a bad actor. Sure, and maybe there's something
that comes to it, and you know, with all the
metrics they have now that maybe I put my tickets
in bad standing by selling them off. But the reality is,
you know, you're trying to make it the best experience
and the most cost effective as well, so takeovers happen.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
I'm gonna make one final point, like, if you own
Arizona Cardinal season tickets, you now have three home games.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
In your first four weeks.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Yeah, you kind of want to breather to be honest, like,
do you want to be there for the first three
You know, it's not the first three Sundays, but three
out of the first four Sundays. It's nice to go,
all right, we got one weekend, or hey it's a
back to back week, but when you have it three
straight weekends and you're obligated with those tickets, maybe you're like, Okay,
well we're not going to go three straight weekends, so
because we've got this going on, or we missed this
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last week because of the game.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
Yeah, another schedule.
Speaker 5 (25:14):
I gotta tell you, I half want to be in
Arizona back to back weeks. Ian Dan Week nine, Chicago
Week ten, Jets, and then they have a bye week.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
Yeah, I was gonna say, then they're at Seattle. So
I'm a part of the equation.
Speaker 5 (25:29):
The week well think about it though, I mean, you
got the Chargers week seven at home, week eight, at Miami,
week nine and ten, Chicago and New York week eleven, bye,
and then they're at Seattle.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Uh crazy road trip. Let's go nex road trip?
Speaker 2 (25:43):
All right there, it is schedule one oh one. Hopefully
we have a passing grade. So for Mike, carmen Ian,
Roddy and myself, Dan Bayer join us for our next episode.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
Will we get you set for week four?
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Mike's got his top five rankings, top plays, Coultars and
Ninjas and the whole shebang. We're gonna get you set
for some winning fantasy football. We will talk to you
next time right here, and I want your plays.
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