The Bernie Fratto Show talks New York Mets, Pete Rose, & MORE!

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late great Bill Veck once said, the most beautiful thing
in the world is a stadium or a ballpark filled
with people. Hold that thought. By the way, later in
the show, we will get into a lot of college football.
There was an instant class seic here tonight in Las Vegas.
Jason Smith, Syracuse Orange. They proved to be a little
bit too much metal for a very good UNLV team.
Hold that thought because it speaks to the larger issue.

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What a freaking sports October we are in for so far,
and it's gonna continue. The Major League Baseball postseason is
going to be a banger, the drama, the historyonics. In
the words of the great late John Facenda, it's going

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to drain the vocabulary of superlatives. I gotta start here,
because if you only knew the history, if you only
knew the backstory, if you only knew the minutia, you
live for this stuff, and so do I. How about
those amazing Mets? Sorry, you gotta hear this. Yes, it
was the second Mets miracle this week, two epic historical

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wins in four days that baseball fans are going to
be talking about for a long time. In the ninth
the Polar Bear hits a three run dinger to lift
the Mets from two zip to up three to two. Now,
I bet you Pete Rose God rest his soul, and
would be talking about him a lot tonight, would be

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spinning in his grave. After the Mets pull their starter
after six screless innings, by the way, which is only
the fourth time in Major League Baseball playoff history that
there was a zero zero game after six full innings
in a winner take all game. Then the Brewers, right
after that pitching change, hit back to back dingers, and

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even though the score was only two to nothing, Sorry,
if you're a Mets fan, you felt like it was
eight to nothing. The Major League Baseball Win Expectancy website crashed,
but the odds that the Mets faced losing by that
time as they batted in the ninth had to be
well over ninety percent. But what if I told you
back on August twenty eighth, the mets chances to even

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make the playoffs was only thirteen percent. By the way
the game against Milwaukee, it was the first time in
Major League Baseball history, Yes, the first time in Major
League Baseball history that a player hit a home run
in the ninth inning or later in a winner take
all game that took us lead from a deficit tour lead.

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I'm not done. When the Brewers broke the scoreless tie
in the seventh, it was the first time in club
history a pinch hitter homeward in a winner take all
playoff game with one out nobody on the top of
the ninth. At that point, the Mets had a seven
percent chance of winning. Then Nimo singles in the ninth.

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It was the mets third hit the entire day for
the entire team. After the game, can't make this stuff up, folks,
Brandon Nemo said, I did it for my grandmother, who
died one hour before the first pitch that night. Brandon
Nimo's grandmother died an hour before that game started. Nimo
comes through with the single in the ninth Pete Alonzo.

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He'd been in a huge slump five for thirty eight
all singles before he hit that home run that Williams
a checked at first home run Williams had given up
all season off his ridiculous chain up. Then no one's
supposed to hit a home run off and the first
home run off any pitch since August seventeenth. So with
the Brewers loss, this is the eighth time they've been

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eliminated since nineteen eighty one. And I know you've already
heard this twenty seven times today, So what is one
more time going to hurt? All seven teams who beat
the Brewers made to the World Series. Not every team won,
but every team made it. Meet the Mets. Meet the Mets.

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Step right up and greet the Mets. If you don't
think the Mets being exciting in the World Series would
be the price of admission alone, then your first aligned
for a front of lobotomy. And if that isn't enough.
The Brewers starting pitcher Toby Miners was one in fifteen
with a seven point eight two ERA and the Miners
just a year ago. Beginning of November twenty twenty one,

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he was traded by Tampa Bay, sold by Cleveland, cut
by the San Francisco Giants, and released by the White Sox.
In November twenty twenty two years picked up by the
Brewers and the other night gave them five shutout innings.
That's baseball, folks. He can't make this stuff up. This
is just the beginning. This is gonna be a phenomenal, phenomenal,

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phenomenal postseason. Don't act like it's not. We'll get into
the matchups a little bit later, and I'll talk about
why I think the Guardians might win or whether Tigers
can win. Yes, absolute this is wide open. But lest
we forget, Shoheo Tani also enters his first postseason, and
make no mistake, Major League Baseball is going all in

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on sho Yotani. You're gonna You're gonna be seeing you
more Shoeo Tani ads and Carter's has pills. Maybe that's
a bad reference. Google at knuckleheads. This league is featuring
will be featuring Shoeyo Tani with the leaves instable in
what they call quote baseball is something else. It's a

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brand campaign. Featuring an actor by the name of Brian
and Tyree Henry. Finally, Major League Baseball has Showhey in
the postseason. The Dodgers their superstar, Shohy, expect to see
him front and center all day, every day. By the way,
in Japan, meanwhile, Major League Baseball has implemented an outa

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home takeover across Tokyo, setting up one hundred and thirteen
billboards around the city that feature each individual homer and
stolen base for Otani during the regular season, and in
addition to spotlighting Otani's historic season and promoting these upcoming playoffs,
the Japanese effort was it's going to serve as a
four runner for next March Baseball. You're also going to

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see a major push to grow baseball. Consider this going
to be Baseball's thrust to grow the game internationally. Remember
the Dodgers open up in Japan next March. They'll play
the Cups and what's going to be called the twenty
twenty five Major League Baseball Season World of World Tour
of International Games. Otani be coming back to his home country,

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by the way, not for nothing, he's presumed Otani will
be pitching. Remember, he's pretty good Pitcher too, and it
is going to be a pretty good hitter. So if
passed his prologue, and it is, these playoffs are going
to be epic. They already have been, and they're going
to be and it almost leaves you breathless. But you've

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heard me say it a thousand times. Sports are the
greatest reality show and you can script everything but the inning.
Coming up, I've got a story about Pete Rose, an
obscure story involving his agent, Reuven Katz, professional tennis player
Marty Blake, and a good friend of his who is
a writer for a big paper in West Virginia. And

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what it does, it metaphorically shares with you. How truly
Pete Rose was hardwired to make sure he achieved whatever
it was he wanted in life, except there's going to
be one he didn't. And by the way, you don't
want to miss this. Coming up bottom of the hour,
Steve Hartman will joined us. Steve enjoyed a long personal

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and professional relationship with Steep with Pete Rose. And we're
gonna ask the eternal question. And I think I know
Steve's answer, and I think I know my answer. I've
only met Pete twice, been around him twice, had a
great time with him. I bragged to him that I
was signed by the Cincinnati DS, which I was. I
asked him if you knew the scart at Larry Barton Jr.
I said, you know Larry Barton Junior? Of course the scout.

Speaker 3 (08:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
Anyway, I digress. We're going to get into Pete coming up. Hey,
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Speaker 2 (09:19):
All right, back on the Bernie Frattle Show Fox Sports Radio.
We are coming to you live from Las Vegas. The
Fox Sports Radio studios will take you up to two
am Pacific five am Eastern. So much to get to
and as a friendly reminder, forty two minutes from now
from where I sit, it will be the midnight hour

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in Las Vegas. The clock literally will be striking midnight.
It will be twelve am Pacific time here in Las Vegas,
and perhaps from where you're listening, it's also that time,
but figuratively from where you're listening, it's also the midnight hour.
It's a segment we started back the beginning of the
year and it's been phenomenally successful because the callers. So

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we'll be looking to get your calls at midnight twelve
am Pacific in forty two minutes eight seven, seven, nine
to nine one Fox. And obviously it's going to be
about Pete Rose, Right, what was your reaction when he
died his legacy? Do you believe he should be in
the Hall of Fame? Do you believe he'll ever get
in the Hall of Fame posthumously? By the way, one
hundred and seventeen former players have been elected to Major

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League Baseball's Hall of Fame posthumously. All right, now, no
real mechanism exists. We're going to talk about that with
Steve Hartman. The Veterans Committee would have to step up.
But comes down to this forty two to fifty six
versus twenty one B And that's the rule that you
all know about. Pete got just about everything he ever
wanted in life except one. And I think you'll get

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a kick out of this story because it's a nondescript story,
but it's the type of story that I think you
can certainly relate and picture Pete Rose engaging in. It
was in the off season in Cincinnati, probably around nineteen
seventy six. Pete was very good friends with a writer

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for the West Virginia Wheeling News Register, the Intelligence or
a big newspaper. His name was Bob Hertzel. They both
lived in Cincinnati, and they were both at Western Hills
Indoor Tennis Club, where Rose was a member. Rose liked
to play little tennis, not really a tennis player, but
he was definitely an athlete. Well, his buddy Bob Hertzel,
decided to set up a doubles match because Bob Herzel's

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friend was a professional tennis player by the name of
Marty Blake. Marty was a good player back in the day.
Pete Rose had an agent, a famous agent by the
name of Reuven Katz, who also liked to play little tennis.
So the match was set up. A doubles match was
set up. Pete Rose and his agent. Ruven Katz was
also a friend of Bob Hertzel's versus Bob Hertzel and

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Marty Blake, right, just a friend of little best of
the three doubles match at Western Hills Country Club in Cincinnati.
Western Hills Tennis Club there was an indoor club, so
they played the match. In the first set, Marty Blake
and Bob Hurtzel won. In the second match, Pete Rose

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and Ruben Katz won. Now, obviously, as Bob Hurtzel told it,
Marty Blake wasn't let it all out, not in that match.
He you could say, in a manner of speaking, they
let them win. They you know, Blake let Rose and
Ruben Katz win. Blake, Marty Blake was thrilled to be

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on the court with Pete Rose. Pete Rose did not
know Marty Blake was a professional tennis player didn't know it,
but Pete was. As the story goes, as the lord goes,
Pete was his Charlie Hustle self times ten, busting butt
all over the court, running shots down right up until
they got to match point, and all of a sudden

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it became evident that there was a possibility that Rose
and his agent, Reuben Katz could beat Marty Blake. Now
that was not going to happen. So Marty Blake looked
at Bob Hurtzel and says, okay, because Rose had no idea.
Marty had been holding black back, especially a serf, and
so Blake went over to personal says, I gotta let

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it out. Do you think Pete will get mad? I
want to hit him one real serve. You could be mad.
He goes, no, I don't think Pete will be mad.
I think he'll be He'll get a kick out of it. Actually,
So Marty blasted that serve. Craked it up Nolan Ryan's style.
The ball was on Rose before he could even know it.
It was buying fastball strike three, game, set match. Pete

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froze and for an instant he realized he'd been had
He realized what had happened, but he didn't get mad.
But he was not about to let it in that way.
So he reached out to Marty Blake and says, do
me a favor. He hit another one of those serfs,

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Marty blasted it by him again. He had another one,
Marty blasted it by him again. Marty didn't realize that
Pete was going to sit there and try to return
one of his servers until he could get one back
across the net and inbounds. Now, finally, as the story

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had it, after thirty full minutes, thirty full minutes, Rose
somehow scored up the racket, made contact with the ball
and returned it over the net inbounds and they could leave.
That was Pete Rose. Thirty minutes is a long time.
I've been on the air for twenty three minutes. Go

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another seven minutes from now and Rose Blake. He would
not let Blake off the court until he returned a
single serve in a silly tennis match where the match
was already over. So imagine what you think the links
Pete Rose would go to when he decided he wanted

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to be the greatest hitter of all time, or he
wanted to win a baseball game, or what he did
in the nineteen seventy All Star Game when he bowled
over Pete Rose. Now you know why he ran over.
Pete Rose had on't plate in the nineteen seventy All
Star Game to score the winning run, even though he'd
had Fossey over to his house for dinner the previous night,
didn't matter. That was friendship. This was baseball. That's why
Pete Rose had more hits than anyone ever had in

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the big leagues. He was driven to be the best.
He had to be the best at what he did.
Nothing short of it was acceptable so much you always
liked to tell people that why he made well. He
had more hits than anyone. He also made more outs.
That was Pete, and Pete took every out Personally. It
was painful, but that's also why Pete won three batting

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titles an MVP three World Series. That's why he hit
in forty four straight games, a streak second only to
Joe Demanto. You can't imagine how much Pete Rose wanted
to break Joe Demanto's record. He honestly believed he was
going to do it and that baseball needed him to
do it. That's why on that fateful Saturday afternoon when

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the streak ended in Atlanta, and it was it was
done at the hands of a guy who threw a
lot of slop by the name of Jean Garber, the
relief pitcher who struck him out on a change up
outside the strike zone. By the way, Atlanta led that
game sixteen to four. There were two outs of the
ninth inning. All that was on the line. All that
was on the line at that point was a hitting streak,

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and Rose felt Garber owed it to him, to the
fans into history to challenge him, but didn't work out
that way. And the bottom line is is that you know,
Pete Rose, that simply served as another example that Rose
would do anything, go to any length to accomplish whatever

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he wanted to in life. And Pete made a big
deal about that deal. Pete though, you know, having grown
up in Cincinnati local boy Western Hills High School, he
was like the you know, the Jack Armstrong All American tale,
a role model for kids. But he turned into a
Shakespearean tragedy because he allowed the fatal flaw in his

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makeup his total competitiveness that led to a gambling addiction.
That robbed him from the one thing that drove him
most in his post career. I don't care what anybody
says that Pete may not have cared about being in
the Hall of Fame. It's not true. He wanted his
final resting place to be in Cooperstown, New York, as
a member of a Hall of Fame, not selling autographs

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outside the Hall of Fame or here at the Mall
in Las Vegas. He was given a lifetime in eligibility
for the game for betting on baseball in nineteen eighty nine.
Ted Williams used to say all I wanted out of
life was for people to see me walking down the
street and say, there goes the greatest hitter that ever lived.
Pete Rose wanted people to say, quote, there goes the
man who had the most hits ever in the game

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of baseball. And that happened, and the way he played
the game is evidence. By hitting thirty triples as a
minor leaguer in Tampa during the season on his way
to a big leagues he arrived in nineteen sixty three,
no one knew who he was. Beat out the popular
Don blasting game in second base, and the rest is history,
and the truth of the matter is not everybody's going

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to remember Pete Rose for all the great things he did.
It's just a Shakespearean tragedy. So the eternal question will
become now Pete Rose's Hall of Fame ban his ineligibility
permanently from the game of baseball? Could the hit king
be inducted posthumously? You see, when Abart Giamatti died in

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nineteen eighty nine, I'm convinced I was told this many
many years ago. Can I prove it?

Speaker 5 (18:53):
No?

Speaker 2 (18:53):
Do I believe it? I kind of do that he
had a deathbed wish that Pete does not get into
the Hall of Fame. A Bart Giamatti did not like Pete.
His successor, Fave incign carried the torch, wouldn't meet with Pete.
Bud Sealey followed Fave incidentn carried carried the wish as
it were, and right on to Rob Manfred. Now, and

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you can clearly see every time it came up, Rob
Manfred pan pat patted and pushed the subject right down,
right down the road. So coming up, we're gonna talk
to Steve Hartman about this at length. You don't want
to miss his conversation. But first let's go to our guy,
the chef, Kevin Wire. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (19:31):
College football action on this Friday, Number six Oregon staying unbeaten,
the Ducks moving a six to zero in dominating fashion
as they blow out Michigan State thirty one to ten
behind three touchdowns, two of them passing by Dylan Gabriel
Jordan James one hundred and sixty six yards for the
Ducks as they also moved to two and oh in

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their first year in a Big twelve play Number twive,
Number twenty five UNLV suffering their first loss of the season.

Speaker 7 (20:00):
Heppy formation, mang and Valari are left in the gun.
The snap is taken Gibdon m quinn hammers at the
end zone on second effort. No, he stood up.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
Now we's flighty.

Speaker 7 (20:08):
Gimes in Jack Pott McQuinn Allen jack Pott in Vegas
has fourth touchdown of the game, lifts the Orange to victory.

Speaker 6 (20:17):
That was the Syracuse Sports Network from lear Field on
the calling over time forty four to forty one, victory
four the Orange, as they're now four and one on
the air and very well could be looking at getting
into the top twenty five rankings. Kyle McCord three touchdown
passes and three hundred and fifty five yards in the victory.
Houston gets by TCU thirty to nineteen, and the horn

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Frogs now just one in two and Big twelve play
two years removed after being the national runners up and
in the WNBA playoffs, the Aces stay alive ninety five
eighty one. They beat the New York Liberty Asia Wilson
a double double, nineteen points and fourteen rebounds Breonna Stewart
in the loss with nineteen points. New York still ahead

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two games to one, and Minnesota gets by Connecticut ninety
to eight to one to take a two to one
lead in that series. And with the Major League Baseball
Division Series in both leagues taking place starting tomorrow, the
Padre is gonna be with out pitcher Joe musk Rove,
not just for the postseason, but very well all the
next year as well. He's gonna need Tommy John surgery
on his right elbow as he left Wednesday's Wildcard Game

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two against the Braves in the fourth inning due to
discomfort in that elbow, and the Met's gonna start pitcher
Codei Singa in Game one of the NLDS at the Phillies.
Back to you, Berne.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
All right, thanks chef, good stuff, buddy. So we'll bring
up Steve Hartman here in just a second. But remember,
just so you know again, in history, there have been
one hundred and seventeen Major League Baseball players that were
elected to the Hall of Fame posthumously. Pete Rose, as

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as recent as twenty twenty two sent a lengthy letter
to Commissioner Rob Manfred asking for one last chance the
Hall of Fame. Manfred didn't even respond to the letter.
He'd rejected everyone of Pete Rose's request before, and he
didn't even respond to this letter. Now, lest you've forgotten,
there's a list of people banned from Major League Baseball

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that chose that individuals can be reinstated, which would mean
they are re eligible for the Hall of Fame. And
now all of them were perfect human beings. Ferguson Jenkins.
He was inducted into the Hall of Fame in nineteen
ninety one. He was banned in nineteen eighty after cocaine
was found with him during a custom search in Toronto.
He'd originally been suspended, but an independent arbiter reinstated him

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before his retirement. Willie Mays and Mickey mannele Yes both
were banned after they were inducted into the Hall of
Fame when they were hired by casinos in Atlantic City.
Now their bands took place before the Hall of Fame
decided against inducting banned individuals in the Hall did not
take away their honors. They were reinstated in nineteen eighty five.

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I get it. None of their situations are similar to
Pete Roses, though other individuals who were banned for throwing
games or betting on their teams games have not been reinstated.
Marge shot the Red Zonner. She was banned in nineteen
ninety six after racist and anti Semitic comments. She was
reinstated in nineteen ninety eight. Now, even since Pete Rose's death,

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many players have stepped forward a second baseman. Ronnie Oaster,
you probably remember he played with Rose and played four
Rose as a manager, told WCPO and Cincinnati that is
quote sad as hell that Roses in Heaven's Hall of
Fame before the one he should have been in first.
In a statement on social media, former pitcher Danny Graves,
Rehet's pitcher, said put the hit king in the Hall

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of Fame. Please Brandon Phillips, watch you make the Hall
of Fame now. The Hall of Fame itself even released
a statement after Pete Rose's death said, quote, the Hall
of Fame remembers Pete Rose, major League Baseball's all time
hits and games played leader who passed away on Monday.
Charlie Hussel won three batting titles, earned seventeen All Star

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Game selections. He won three World Serious Championships. End quote.
But springing a gentleman here. Hear him on these airwaves
every Saturday and Sunday. And of course he has had
a spectacular career going back decades and has enjoyed a
personal and professional relationship with Pete Rose. No one better
to have on to talk about this subjects. Welcome in,

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Steve Hart, and Steve, thanks for making time.

Speaker 8 (24:31):
Pal Bernie always a pleasure. We talked the other day
about this, and yeah, I mean it's complicated, but really
it shouldn't be.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
We're going to dive right into that, Steve. One hundred
and seventeen former players have been elected to the Hall
of Fame posthumously, and I appreciate that. The definitive sort of
succinct way you answer the question. You're of the belief,
and I don't want to put words in your mouth.
It's probably never going to happen for Pete even posthumously. Posthumously.
Take it from there, Steve.

Speaker 8 (24:59):
Well, I mean, here's the problem that I have with
this whole process as far as Pete Rose is concerned.
You know, the president was set by the way back
in nineteen sixty three by NFL Commissioner Pete Roselle when
two of the biggest stars in his league, Paul Horning
of the Packers and Alvis Karis of the Lions, were
caught betting on their teams to win games. These were

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active players, two stars in the NFL at the time.
They were suspended for one year and then reinstated, and
eventually both made it into the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
Pete Rose was under the understanding at the time that
he cut his deal with bar Chamontti in nineteen eighty
nine that his fate was going to follow a similar path,

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and of course it all blew up when a he
signed an agreement with Major League Baseball a document that
stated he did not bet on baseball, that he had
bet on other sports, and his understanding that after a
year he was going to get reinstated. That got blown
out when bark Jamatti, of course, at the press conference

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after the agreement with signed, said that Pete bet on baseball,
and then a week later, course Barchiamatti dies, and then
fave Vincent. Don't get me started, Bernie on fave Vincent.
But fave Vincent at that point set down the rules
for him. Bud Seiling and every commissioner from that point on,
don't you dare ever lift this lifetime ban. It's been

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absurd from the very beginning. And then of course Baseball's
Hall of Fame changed their own rules by stating they
will never consider anyone that is actually suspended by Major
League Baseball. And that's why I don't think this is
going to happen for Pete. He tried everything, Bernie, and
you know this, he tried everything.

Speaker 9 (26:44):
What do I have to do?

Speaker 8 (26:45):
Tell me what I have to do? You want me
to met I've bet on baseball, yes, but Pete always
brought up the good thing. Why do you keep comparing
me to the Black Sox They took money to throw games.
Not once did Pete Rose ever bet against the Cincinnati
Ritz not once. John Dowd, who did the investigation, I

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asked him, was there even a shred of evidence that
he ever bet against his team? No, none, none at all.
And so if there was even a hint that Pete
Rose fixed the game to lose, I would be the
first to say he's gone for life. Did not happen.
And you know as well as I do, Bernie, there
have been a lot of famous athletes, Michael Jordan who

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bet on their teams to win. He disappeared for a
couple of years, came back to the NBA. It's not
an uncommon practice. So unfortunately for Pete Rose and his legacy,
the four two hundred and fifty six hits and everything
he did in Major League Baseball will never be recognized
with a plaque in Cooperstown.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
Talk with a great Steve Hartman, a four decade relationship
personally and professionally with Pete Rose. Steve, one of the things,
of course you are par excellence is completely understanding the
mechanics and the nomenclature and the methodology by which Pete
Rules would ever even have a chance to be on

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a ballot, to potentially be in the Hall of Fame
potentially lay that out for the folks because there will
be people hoping against hope.

Speaker 8 (28:17):
Okay, so the first thing they would have to be
doing is the suspension would have to be lifted. It's
as simple as that, as long as he's on the
suspended list under the current rules of the Baseball Hall
of Fame, which people have to understand this, major League
Baseball does not run the Baseball Hall of Fame. The

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Baseball Hall of Fame, as all hall of Fames are,
are separate entities. They make their own rules. So that's
something to keep in mind. It's not like major League
Baseball can come in and say, hey, Baseball Hall of Fame,
you need to lift this restriction on those that have
been suspended for life from being considered for the Hall
of Fame. They don't have that kind of power of the.

Speaker 10 (29:00):
Baseball Hall of Fame.

Speaker 8 (29:01):
It's a separate entity. But that would be the first thing,
or Baseball's Hall of Fame would have to change the
rule back to anyone can be considered. Then of course
he would have to face the scrutiny of a seniors committee. Well,
you know, we've been talking a lot of recent years
about the candidacies of seven time MVP, all time home

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run leader Very Bond, seven times Cy Younger winner Roger Clemens,
after they got passed over ten years on the ballot,
never got that seventy five percent from the Baseball Writers.
And this past year they were passed on to the committee,
the Seniors Committee, and they still didn't get in. And
if anything, the scrutiny of the Seniors Committee is going

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to be even greater than the collective of the Baseball Writers.

Speaker 11 (29:47):
So I just not in my lifetime.

Speaker 9 (29:51):
Maybe you, Bernie, you might live to be one.

Speaker 8 (29:53):
Hundred and twenty. I don't know, but I mean, it's
certainly not going to happen now. It's not going to
happen five years from now. It's not going to happen
ten years from now.

Speaker 12 (30:05):
You know.

Speaker 8 (30:05):
The only thing that can change this, and we talked
about this off there when Peter Youubroth became the Commissioner
of Baseball, he did some great things and he did
some really stupid things in the end. But one of
the great things he did was is that Willie Mays
and Mickey Mantle, who were you know, all out in
you know, Atlantic City, Vegas. I mean, they were greets

(30:27):
and stuff like this. They had been banned from the
game because of their association with these gambling institutions. They
weren't involved in gambling, they were just greeters. And then
he welcomed them back. Was a famous cover of Sports
Illustrated Welcome back, say Hey and Mickey. So that that
would be a big part of it if you could eventually,

(30:47):
you know, Rob Manford is gone and whoever the next
commissioner will be takes a different tack on the legacy
of Pete Rose. That would go a long way. But
again it's still up to the Baseball Hall of Fame
to set their own rules on Pete Rose's eligibility to
even be considered for the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
Talking with a great Steve Hartman, wrap it up on
the Pete Rose matter. Let's go back in the cookie jar, Steve,
because I know you're really well versed on this. We
talked a lot about Johnny Bench, who I think has
a real bitterness about this subject. But Johnny has claimed
over the years that he and Davey Concepsio and had
a plan and when they sat Pete down, Pete was opposite.
I'm quite sure you know what that plan was, and

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Johnny believes if Pete would have followed it, he could
have helped get Pete in the Hall of Fame. Taken
from there, Steve, well.

Speaker 8 (31:37):
Look, I mean as far as there were a lot
of game plans for Pete Rose, let's go back to
the All Century team. Well, my dear friend Jim Gray
try and nail him down to admit, you know, on
those festivities that he bet on baseball and Pete bought back.
You know, it was a bad night for Jim especially.

(31:58):
I remember he told me that he eventually got a
phone call from the network president at NBC supporting him,
you know what he had tried to do, or all
the listeners with the story behind it. So, but I
go a long way back with Pete, and yeah, I
think he had been contrite if he had admitted from
the get go that yes, I bet on games. I

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never bet against my team. I bet my team to win.
I believed in my teams. If he had been if
he had done that from the very begin need, yes,
I do believe there would have been an opportunity for him.
But fifteen years of denial and then he only admitted
it because he wrote a book and he wanted.

Speaker 13 (32:35):
To sell books.

Speaker 8 (32:37):
And to be honestly, you know, as the years went
on with Pete, I think Pete almost you know, he
would show up at Cooperstown during Hall of Fame induction
week and the you know, off the premises, but somewhere
where he'd be signing baseballs.

Speaker 14 (32:52):
By the way, if you're a baseball.

Speaker 8 (32:53):
Fan and you don't own a Pete Rose ball, you
might be the only one. I don't think anyone ever
signed more baseball than Pete Rose, So you know, it
was it was sort of that back and forth, you know,
where he admitted, Okay, yes, I bet on my team
to win. I wasn't like the Black Sox guys that
were literally trying to throw games. I never did that.

(33:15):
There's no evidence and that never happened. But yeah, I mean,
he just kept digging a deeper grave for himself and unfortunately,
just his general demeanor put a lot of people off,
which is the same reason why Barry Bonds and Roger
Clemens are not in the Hall of Fame. When obvious
ped users are in the Hall of Fame. As you

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know who they are, they're pretty obvious. So this is
just the way it is, and My biggest frustration as
a lifelong baseball fan is the idea that the Baseball
Writers Association had been given one hundred percent command over
dictating the history of the sport. And I just think
it's very unfair. There's so many prejudices involved in this

(33:59):
and so muchocracy. It's just absolutely ridiculous. And this is
why personally, I do not recognize the Baseball Hall of
Fame is legit when you have an entire era of
players admitted from Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens and Alex
Rodriguez and Manny Ramirez, some of the greatest players in
the history of the game are forever expelled from the
Hall of Fame. Not to mention Pete Rose. To me,

(34:21):
the Baseball Hall of Fame has zero legitimacy.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
Steve like watching Ted Williams hit Man. Well, here you
are on the airwaves at three pm Pacific Saturday with
Monsey and at ten am Pacific for the best NFL
coverage anywhere with Rich Orenberger and Joy Weekend. Really appreciate
you making.

Speaker 8 (34:38):
Time Bernie anytime. Thanks so much.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
That's the great Steve Hartman and Steve Knew. Pete. Personally,
I can't proclaim to know Pete personally and was only
around him twice. I had a great time with him,
but they go back a long way. If you ever
around Steve or tweet Adam asking to tell the story,
Howie the first time you ever met him at Dodger
Stadium and he and Pete and Steve really really really

(35:05):
hit it off, and so rock and tour at the park.
Salts appreciate Steve Hartman joining us on that subject. We're
not done coming up. We're going to set up the
midnight hour. I'll give you some food for thought. We
are sixteen minutes away. I really want to hear from you.
This to me is similar well as Jogi Bart would say,
it has different similarities to an OJ Simpson passed, because

(35:28):
there are two legacies and Pete Rose's. It's which one
are you going to lean on two hundred and fifty
six or Rule twenty one B. I want to hear
from you eight seven seven nine to nine on Fox
eight seven seven nine nine six six three sixty nine.
Your reaction when Pete Rose passed. It fell sudden, but
it wasn't necessarily if you know the backstory his legacy.

(35:50):
Will he ever get in the Hall of Fame. Should
he been in the Hall of Fame? How do you
feel about it? So there, I expect us to be
highly charged, and as I've said a thousand times, the
most boring conversations when everybody agrees. I'm Bernie Fridder. We
are comedy lifer from Las Vegas, Fox Sports Radio, tarat
dot com Studios. Keep it locked. You're listening to the

(36:11):
Bernie Fraddle Show on Fox Sports Radio. I were back
on the Bernie Frattle Show, Fox Sports Radio, comedy liar
from the tarat dot com studios here in Las Vegas.
We are nine minutes away from taking your calls. Well
from where I sit, the clock will strike midnight literally
here in Las Vegas, twelve am Pacific time here in

(36:34):
Las Vegas, and before you sit, perhaps same situation, but
regardless figuratively, it will be the Midnight Hour, a segment
that's been fantastic for the past ten months thanks to
the great callers. And you've heard me reference Reule twenty
one B. Reual twenty one B Section two. You need
to hear this. This is right for the Major League

(36:55):
Baseball Rulebook. Any player, umpire, club or league official or
employee who show beat any somewhatsoever upon any baseball game
and connection with which the better has a duty to perform,
shall be declared permanently ineligible. That's the word, not banned. Ineligible.
All right, people confuse this. It's not semantical. It leads

(37:17):
to a narrative. Do you think Pete. I'm just gonna
give you my position. I have believed for the past
several years that it no longer served any fruitful purpose
to keep Pete off the ballot. Put it to the vote.
I don't think it would have gone well for him,
but at least put it to the vote, because they're

(37:41):
after thirty years. I think baseball could have pivoted and
turned this into a way where they could have benefited. Now,
if they don't want Pete around the game, they don't
want it to work in baseball, which I still think
would have been a good idea. Fine, But if Steve
Hartman aptly pointed out, the Baseball Hall of Fame is
an entire separate entity, completely independent of Major League Baseball,

(38:04):
managed by its own autonomy. It's a museum of artifacts
and accomplishments and remembrances. And you got the all time
hit leader, not in it. I get it, I get
the arguments A lot of the you know, there are
personal feelings and objective truths. Most of the time now
people's opinions about Pete Rose are based on personal feelings,

(38:25):
not objective truths, because they don't really know the total story.
But regardless your opinions, all matter. Eight seven, seven nine
nine six six three six nine. I want to hear
from you. It is the midnight hour. Your reaction to
Peter Rose's death, his legacy. Should they have put him
in the Hall of Fame? Will he get in postume posthumously?
What would you do? Keep it locked? You listening to

(38:48):
the Bernie Frattle Show on Fox Sports Radio.

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(39:17):
Pete Rose, your thoughts need I say more. It's time.
It's the midnight hour eight seven, seven, nine, nine, six
six three sixty nine. Dial him up. We begin in
the Great Commonwealth of Massachusetts. Jim, good to hear from
you tonight. You know what to do.

Speaker 9 (39:34):
Hey, Briani, I'm surprised that you be carrying the water
for this guy. I cannot stand Pete Rose. He's a thug.
He was a ty cob of his time. What he
did to Ray Fosse. I watched that in real time,
and you're like, oh, you're in a mobile for supper
the night before, but this is baseball.

Speaker 15 (39:51):
He didn't even turn around to see if the.

Speaker 16 (39:53):
Guy was all right.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
Actually he did, Actually he did, Jim. But you're continue
on your own roll.

Speaker 9 (39:58):
Yeah, and all there's other stuff that he did, and
betting and everything. He always carried himself like he was
betting and everybody else because what he did in baseball.

Speaker 2 (40:07):
You're on the lines, Jim. I agree with all that.
I want to just clarify something. What I'm trying to
do is maintain my objectivity. And I respect your opinion
a lot, and I like how you typically start this
off most Friday night Saturday mornings, but I do detect
a lot of personal animosity. You've made it very personal,
and that's okay. Continue on.

Speaker 9 (40:28):
Well, the thing is, I was a kid when all
this happened, watching him play, and I just, you know,
I in my heart, you know, saying well, you know,
maybe let him in.

Speaker 8 (40:37):
Now.

Speaker 9 (40:38):
You know he wanted to get in so bad before
he went away, because then he could have cashed in
on on bore things and stuff like that and made
money or whatever. But now after hearing your caller, you
know the professional you had on it, Well, if you'll
let him in, now you gotta let Bonds, and you
gotta let Clemens, and it just opens up a floodgate.

(40:58):
So I don't know how they're gonna hand that.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
You know, well, I think I think we I think
we're I think you're in. I think you're in good shape. Jim,
we don't. Both Steve Hartman and you can hear his
show on the weekends, we both agree that Peaches isn't
going to get in. It just is not in the cards.
He does not have a sponsor, he does not have
a rabbi on the room who's going to carry the
torture him. First of all, Jim, Rob Manfred would have

(41:21):
to reinstate him. Rob Manfred wouldn't even answer his letter
two years ago, and he's eighty one years old at
the time. You got the last word.

Speaker 9 (41:28):
You know, I do feel bad from burning out. And
you mentioned it, you know, you said I made it personal.
But I watched it when I was a kid and everything.
I watched him when I was fifteen to like twenty three,
and I just know, and I played baseball. He just
he just rubbed me the wrong way watching him day
after day after day. Missed the Charlie hustle and how

(41:49):
he used to go into bases and tam people. He
was just the ty Cobb of his time that you
really followed baseball, you know. And then he got caught
the gambler and everything like that, Hey you did it,
you caught it, you know. And then he carried himself like, well,
I'm mister Pete Rose, I'm all the time hit leader.
You know, why are you looking at me like this? Well,
you broke the rolls, fella, you broke the rolls.

Speaker 2 (42:10):
Good Jim appreciated, buddy. And think about you said last year,
last your second to the last sentence. It speaks to
a genuine lack of awareness Pete truly had. Every time
I looked like the door might crack open, you stubbed
his own toe. Tim Joints just from Florida. Tim, Thanks
for checking in tonight. What do you got Hello? Tim?

Speaker 13 (42:29):
Hey, Bernie, how you do?

Speaker 2 (42:31):
Good Bud, You're on the air.

Speaker 13 (42:32):
Go ahead, all right, thanks for taking the call. So
I'm a little torn about this whole Pete Rose thing.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
Okay.

Speaker 13 (42:41):
So I grew up in Cincinnati, and I grew up
watching Pete Rose and then Jim Morgan and all those guys,
a big red machine guy and loving everything about it.

Speaker 11 (42:51):
And then I.

Speaker 13 (42:55):
Was working at Bob Evans at Cincinnati.

Speaker 2 (42:58):
The song restaurant is the Bob Effins Sausage, the restaurant
where you eat breakfast.

Speaker 14 (43:06):
The restaurant.

Speaker 2 (43:07):
Yeah, yeah, man, I know about all that.

Speaker 10 (43:09):
Go ahead, okay.

Speaker 13 (43:10):
So Pete Rose came in and I was I was
just a bus boy and like this, this little shy
bus boy, and I'm like, man.

Speaker 14 (43:16):
This is my hero.

Speaker 13 (43:18):
And I went up and asked him for an autograph,
and he very hostile, said, don't bother you. Why I'm
eating my breakfast. I just walked away. I didn't know
what to do, so five years later, I'm now a
waiter at the bob Evans and he comes in again,
and I'm waiting on him and I drop a check

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off at the table. He's like, excuse me, what are
you doing.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
He's like him.

Speaker 13 (43:50):
Pete Rose, I don't pay. So that's the epitome of
what Pete Rose is now. I do believe Pete Rose
needs to be in the Hall of Fame. He's done.

Speaker 14 (44:02):
Baseball wise, he needs to be in the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 12 (44:06):
But that's yer.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
Jimmy said it all. You said it all. Don't be
a stranger man. We do this. I guess it'd be
three am your time in Florida every Saturday morning, but
we call it the midnight Hour. What Tim just shared there,
I've heard encounters like that a thousand times. Ever, good
ones too, But I've heard that kind of stuff a
thousand times. That affects people. But interestingly enough, Tim was

(44:30):
able to hold two thoughts concurrently separating his personal encounters
with Pete versus what he did on the field. Interesting,
very interesting, good stuff. Tim. All the stars coming out tonight,
James in Los Angeles? What do you got for us?

Speaker 10 (44:45):
What's up, Bernie?

Speaker 11 (44:46):
How you doing man.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
Doing well, sir, Thanks for checking in.

Speaker 17 (44:49):
Yeah good. I'm still in La. I told you I
was moving to Guardena, but I haven't got there yet.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
It's still it's a little all La. It's all a
big city, right.

Speaker 17 (44:56):
Yeah, that's right, that's right. I love the belief, and
I know a lot of people may not agree with that,
that what you do on the field should be judged
by what you do on the field. And I relate
that to oj, I relate that to Pete Rose. I
relate that to everyone. Your play on the field should
not effect or your play what you do off the
fore should not affect how you go into the Hall

(45:16):
of Fame, because that's different circumstances. So after what he's
done for baseball, I'm a p Rose guy, so maybe
I am biased a little bit, but you know, he
just brought hustle and everything.

Speaker 18 (45:30):
To the game.

Speaker 17 (45:30):
So many things he did. Uh, you know you got
to put him in.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
You gotta put him in the quickly, James, because I
want to make sure it gets everybody real quickly, because
I appreciate your candor do you believe it will happen?
We get you believe he deserves and maybe even wanted to,
But what's reality. Do you think it's really going to happen?

Speaker 17 (45:51):
I say no, But then I think about David or
Tis doing teds and he got in because they liked him.
That's right, the door open. That leaves the door opened
for Bonds and Clemens. Bonds is my favorite guy of
all time, you know, I love him, So that leaves
the doornapp And if there's a crack there, there's a
little bit of light. If they put Bonds and Clemens in,

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they gotta put p rosas.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
All right, Thanks a lot, James, I appreciate it. And then,
by the way, I don't want to get off on
this subject because I want to get to Manuel and
Steve and Kurt and Doug and the other Steve. We're
gonna get to all of you. Every I want to
hear all of you. Just be patient. I've kind of
made peace with the Bonds and the mcguires and the
Solsa's and and you know all them as well, because

(46:35):
we're gonna call that the steroid era, and the reality
of it is the picture thrown was probably juiced to
catch a call, and the singles probably juiced. The centerfielder
chasing down the ball and the gap is probably juiced.
Bonds just did it better than everybody, but they don't
like him, like like James says Manuell and Guardina, the
mayor of Guardina.

Speaker 17 (46:54):
How's it going, buddy, just on a shell back them.

Speaker 19 (47:00):
Wait till the midnight out.

Speaker 15 (47:03):
He shout out to. We're gonna welcome him with open
arms to Guardina beautiful.

Speaker 2 (47:11):
It's all good. So let's get let's dive into the
p roast thing. I really want to hear your thoughts.

Speaker 15 (47:15):
Because you're honest, Lee hustle Man. You know, hey, man,
maybe the greatest player I was ever privileged to see.
Guy Ran. You know, me and my dad had this
conversation like him or hate him. Pete Rose was going
to give you his all every freaking inning that he
was on that baseball diamond, and I think that's been

(47:37):
lost on today's athlete.

Speaker 12 (47:39):
Man.

Speaker 15 (47:40):
You know, just the effort, you know, just the flat
out effort. Now, the guy was a hit wizard, a
genius at the plate, and I think he had a
lot to offer the baseball. So I think it's a
travesty that baseball went the holier than dal Route. I mean, honestly,
come on, Bernie, Who the hell is Paul Giamatti's dad

(48:00):
to be dictating forty years man? Come on like they
should have are you know? They gave him his band,
He went with it, and yes he signed the paperwork.
But there's one thing, Bernie. Rules are made to be broken.

Speaker 18 (48:14):
Man.

Speaker 17 (48:15):
At some point the rule.

Speaker 8 (48:17):
Maker, which was Cooperstown and MLB, can bend that rule
to allow him.

Speaker 15 (48:24):
He did his time.

Speaker 12 (48:25):
Man.

Speaker 15 (48:25):
As far as the diamond, there.

Speaker 8 (48:27):
Is no denying him.

Speaker 15 (48:28):
He is easily top ten baseball player ever.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
Love you, Bernie, Thanks man, well appreciate you, buddy. Let's
go out to Kansas City. Steve, welcome back in How
are you.

Speaker 17 (48:40):
Hey?

Speaker 14 (48:40):
Great?

Speaker 11 (48:41):
Good fantastic topic to the you know all the all
the all stars are calling in the Nighthoufs. The reason
we love Pete Rose is that he's not the kind
of guy that you want to live live in your neighborhood.
The boy you sure have heck one of them on
your team. Your first caller nailed it the Skuy's in

(49:03):
the Midwest. I was ten to fifteen years old. We
loved watching this guy because he would run over ray fall.
He did the things, all the things we wish we
could do on the baseball field. You know, he would
rather die than lose a baseball game, and you got
to respect that kind of competitiveness and ability and will.

(49:27):
I mean, he still gets right in votes for the
Hall of Fame. And listen, there's precedent for this, when
when Buck O'Neill lost by one vote, they put a
monument to him in Cooperstown. I mean, I agree with
Bob Costas who says you could put a monument to
him and say he was banned from baseball. He was
easily one of the greatest players we're.

Speaker 9 (49:48):
Ever going to see.

Speaker 11 (49:50):
I mean, there's precedent for this.

Speaker 2 (49:51):
They could still some of the baseballs that he hit
were in the Hall of Fame, some of his artifacts are.

Speaker 11 (49:56):
To your point, you're there, right, he's already he's in there.
But I mean, he's such a he's such an incredible
personality and such an incredible achiever that you you have
to give him something. One other player gets right in
votes for for the I mean he has he has

(50:19):
such an incredible personality and presence. That's why we're all
talking about it, because we grew up and he's the
greatest competitor that were we ever saw. I mean, he's
probably the Kobe Bryant of baseball, whatever comparison you want
to make to the kids now. So yeah, I just
had to get my two cents and Pete Pete will

(50:39):
forever be remembered, whether whether it's in the Hall of
Fame plaque or not. Let's just let's just put it.

Speaker 2 (50:44):
That way, fair enough. I'm in agreement, thanks Steve, and
Steve said he rather die than lose. Well, Pete Rose
once said quote, I would I would run through I'd
walk through Hell in a gas lean suit to play baseball,
and I believe him. Kurt Doug, Steve, Jim, Rob Hank

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tight We are getting to Alia, and I want to
make sure everybody has ample time to share their thoughts.
Pete Rose, what's his legacy? Callers have been sensational so far.
I'm Bernie Fratto. We are comedy live from the Las
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Speaker 2 (51:37):
All right back on the Bernie Fratter Show, Fox Sports Radio,
to bend that hour, rolling along, we want to hear
for you eight seven, seven, nine, nine, six six three
sixty nine. Back to the phones. Kurt in SoCal joined us.
Welcome back in, Kurt, How are you good?

Speaker 14 (51:52):
Evening burn heartbroken, heartbroken when I heard that Pete Rose died.
And the first thing I'd like to do is give
my condolences to Pete Rose's family for the suffering that
he had to go through until he passed. Pet Rose

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was a cog in the wheel of the Cincinnati organization.
What Pete Rose did wasn't baseball's original sin, and it
could have been treated more humanely because today it would
have been considered a disease, and maybe somebody could have said, Pete,

(52:33):
you know, we're going to have to suspend you until
you can get some help for what you're doing. Pete
Rose didn't fix any games, he didn't cheat to win
or lose, he didn't accept bribes, he didn't participate in
any conspiracies or scandals, and he didn't shock the conscious

(52:54):
of baseball. That's all I have to say.

Speaker 2 (52:58):
Strevenewell said, Kurt, I can think we can all draw
our conclusions from there. And as I've said over the years,
if we look at this objectively, after thirty plus years
and no longer served any fruitful purpose to keep him
off the ballot, go back out to the phone lines.
Doug in San Diego.

Speaker 5 (53:18):
Welcome in, Doug Burn, Baby Burn, love your show, pal.
I'm outraged, okay, completely outraged about Pete Rose.

Speaker 10 (53:28):
Of course I was sad.

Speaker 5 (53:30):
I think I was even more mad. Dan Patrick had
Johnny Bench on the other morning. He was ready to blubber.
I can tell you I was blubbering. It's heartbreaking really
about your prior caller right now. Before it was like,
you know, baseball, so Sack was saying that, oh my god, gambling.

(53:53):
And now people understand, Yeah, it's an addiction, it's a disease. Okay,
get it, do your head. And the guy did they
take O. J. Simpson out of the Pro Football Hall
of Fame because he killed his wife and his friend
or friend now? And I don't understand. And he was

(54:15):
in before that. But Pete Rose more than anyone on
the face of this earth. The lungs in the Hall
of Fame.

Speaker 14 (54:21):
Bernie All right.

Speaker 2 (54:22):
I appreciate the power of your call real quickly. Are
you still there, Doug? Okay, that's on me. I should
have asked him if he thought the mechanisms would align.
But I think I Steve sounds pretty measured, pretty thoughtful.
I don't think it's in the cards. I don't think
they're gonna No one's gonna lift a finger to help Pete.

(54:42):
Jim and Brooklyn one of the great cities in America.
Jim and Brown, you're up.

Speaker 20 (54:49):
Jim's got some take on Pete Rose. Charlie Hussel one
of the best pro athletes.

Speaker 10 (54:57):
David is all they.

Speaker 20 (54:59):
Should have been ductor them in the Hall of Fame.
It's a shame. It brought me to tears. Charlotte Hussell
passing on vindolences to his family, like the gentleman said,
sent on tendolences to his beautiful wife, rex wife and
his lovers in the past. But he was gambling. It's

(55:19):
an addiction, like the gentleman said to the other gentleman,
I called Jim. My dad was addicted to gambling, cards, women,
wild women, many things. But he didn't have my last name.
My last name is Ramirez. I get that from my
mom's first marriage, she was married to a marine sergeant,
totally strict, totally structured, hardworking. Are very hard working Mexican

(55:45):
who dedicated his life for his life and his family,
his six other children besides me. So I got step
brothers and stepsisters on both sides. Pete David is all
it brought me.

Speaker 2 (55:57):
Do you think let me ask you a question, Jim,
do you think there will be any factions that would
somehow convince rob Manfrederian Stadium.

Speaker 20 (56:09):
That's a possibility. I'm glad you're one of their question
because my acknowledgment to that and my analogy, I would
like to say, it's a shame if he doesn't. Yeah,
I think he should lift that kind of man. And
I go back to the reflection of an ass is
an addiction. People get help with the addictions. If they

(56:31):
could have addressed it sooner and possibly than later, it's
a possibility he should have really got some serious help.

Speaker 2 (56:39):
All right, buddy, listen, I appreciate you, thanks for checking in.
If you'll notice one recurring theme for ninety five percent
of our calls, there's genuine reverence for Pete Rose. The
opposite of love is not hate, it's indifference. No one's
indifferent to Pete Rose because of the impact he had
on major League Baseball, professional sports, pop culture society eight

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seven six three six nine. It's emptied out. We want
to hear from everybody tonight. Rob in Orlando, you're up next.

Speaker 21 (57:09):
Good evening, Hey, Bernie, nice to chat with you again. Listen,
everybody knows I P Rose is a Hall of Famer.

Speaker 22 (57:16):
I mean, at the end of the day, it really
doesn't matter if he's in here.

Speaker 12 (57:19):
If he's not.

Speaker 22 (57:20):
At this juncture, you know what, the Hall of Fame
has decided not to put him on the ballot. He
should be on the ballot and let the voters decide,
just as they do with the steroids players, and then
at the end of the day, if they decide to
let him in, they do.

Speaker 9 (57:34):
If I was his.

Speaker 21 (57:35):
Family at this point, I would not want them to
put him into the Hall of Fame because I think
as typocritical at this point. You know, I mean, he
violated the cardinal cent of baseball gambling.

Speaker 19 (57:50):
But you know what, Baseball did a lot too with
all of the steroid air stuff. So the guy talked
earlier about he Rose, you know, all the money he
lost being out of all of fame. I actually think
he made more money by being.

Speaker 2 (58:03):
Out of the brother You're not wrong, You're not wrong.
And Steve Harvin and I talked about that, and I
real quickly. You just got a couple of seconds. You're
a big fellow. You think you could happen for him posthumously.

Speaker 15 (58:16):
I think it will happen, but it should have happened.

Speaker 9 (58:18):
If I was his family, I wouldn't wanted that.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
Fair fair enough, all right, all right, let's go back
to the phone line. Steve in California, Steve with part
of California in man, it's pretty big state. Turn your
phone down, Bud, Hello, Steve, turn your rig on, Steve.
Let's go back to Steve a minute. We we meant well,

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but Steve, why are you there?

Speaker 10 (58:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (58:46):
Okay, around the air dive in.

Speaker 23 (58:48):
That's something important to say, really important. You cannot go
to a baseball game on TV without having tell you
the over and under and.

Speaker 2 (59:03):
What since twenty eighteen when pastor was overturning. That's my point.

Speaker 23 (59:09):
I know it's ridiculous, and.

Speaker 2 (59:12):
Yeah, there's a bit of a hypocrisy there now after
thirty years, isn't there.

Speaker 24 (59:17):
It's not fair it's.

Speaker 2 (59:20):
Not right, Steve. I appreciate you, man. I hear the
emotion in your voice, and it's it's it's well received.
Thank you for checking in. I just need to get
to all these callers. I don't want to anybody shut
out tonight. If I have to reopen the phone lines
at one twenty am, again, no one's getting shut out.
We had a lot of great sports fans, a lot
of great thoughts, and we're a lot of texture to

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these calls. Stephen, Minneapolis, welcome back in.

Speaker 3 (59:44):
You're up next, Bernie, Hell are you living another Friday
and Saturday night? The first time I've had a chance
to actually call. But the subject, I tell you what
I've belt my crying but p Roles Charlie Hussel.

Speaker 10 (59:58):
He was.

Speaker 3 (59:58):
He was the biggest intol in my life. I was
never able to go to college and play ball, but
I sure.

Speaker 14 (01:00:05):
Would have loved to.

Speaker 3 (01:00:05):
I was made all city and school at the regardless.
But the head first slide, I tell you what, I
was doing it until I.

Speaker 14 (01:00:12):
Was forty six.

Speaker 3 (01:00:13):
I was playing softball, but I was still doing it.
Then learned the heck of a lot watching that guy.
We used to play while ball in the back and
we'd pick teams. We got in arguments because everybody wanted
to be I'm fifty six, so this was right in
the prime of my childhood. And I tell you what
burn we got in trouble by mom. I said, nobody's

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ever going to be the Cincinnati Reds again, you know,
or you're not going to play So because we'd argue
about I know I want to be, No, I want
to be because it was basically because of Pete Rose
in a big red machine. But I tell you what
the fallow up from it, the gambling thing. Maybe back
when it happened, Sure, if you just would have came clean, Sure,

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who knows what writers would have done, their voters would
have done then. But I agree with the last caller.
Doing it possiblesly is almost hypocritical.

Speaker 9 (01:01:04):
Y's already, Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
Will have that it will it will have that effect.
All right, Thanks so much for checking in. Appreciate your
story there, Robin Dallas. Thanks for your patience. So you're
up next.

Speaker 18 (01:01:17):
Hey, Yeah, you know, when it comes to Pete Rose,
the whole posthumously argument, it does touch me booth, But
at the end of the day, he deserves to be
in you know, you look, you look at everything that
he did as a player, it is obvious that he

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deserves to be in all things that there. There's really
no question about that. And you know, at the end
of the day, it's to me, it's similar to the
Reggie Bush thing. You know, he lost his husband and
regained it that way later. To me, the only regret

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is that he has passed and he should have been
in the Hall of Fame in his lifetime. But at
the end of the day where we're at now, a
lifetime ban is a lifetime ban, and his life is over,
so he, to me is eligible to be it All Fame.

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
Now that's a diego. I haven't heard. That's an ago
having her Thanks Bud. Listen, we do this every Friday
night Saturday morning. It don't be a Stranger'd love to
hear from you again, Poppy John and Missouri sit tight
your ear up next, but first to go to our guy,
the chef. A very quick update.

Speaker 6 (01:02:36):
Yes, college football action on Friday. The sixth ranked Oregon
Ducks stay undefeated, and they do so in dominating fashion.

Speaker 14 (01:02:46):
Back to throw, Gabriel time throws and so did he
get it?

Speaker 4 (01:02:50):
Did he get it?

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (01:02:52):
Touchdown?

Speaker 4 (01:02:52):
Don't look at it.

Speaker 11 (01:02:54):
Put touchdown Oregon.

Speaker 1 (01:02:55):
Devin Stewart made the catch.

Speaker 11 (01:02:57):
It just got a foot down before he went out
of this.

Speaker 10 (01:03:00):
The end zone.

Speaker 6 (01:03:01):
Jerry Allen on the Oregon Sports Network from lear Field
on the call. That was one of three touchdowns, two
of them coming through the air by Dylan Gabriel Jordan
James one hundred and sixty six rushing yards as the
Ducks now six and oh, including two to zero in
Big Ten play in their first season in that conference.
Number twenty five UNLV upended at home by Syracuse forty

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four to forty one, so the Rebels suffered their first
loss of the season. Kyle McCord threehund and fifty five yards,
two touchdowns, and the Orange now for their part four
and one on the season. In Houston, gets by TCU
thirty to nineteen, as the horn Frogs now just one
and two and Big twelve play just a couple of
years after they were the national runners up WNBA playoffs.

(01:03:43):
The Las Vegas Aces stay Alive ninety five eighty one
win against the New York Liberty, so New York Stella
had two games to one in that best of five series.
Minnesota gets by Connecticut ninety to eighty one to take
a two to one lead in that series. Major League
Baseball Postseason, Joe Musgrove gonna need Tommy John surgery on
his elbows, so the Padres suffering a blow as they
began the NLDS against the Daughters on Saturday. Muscrove had

(01:04:05):
to leave the wild Card Game two on Wednesday against
the Brazer because he had discomfort in that elbow. And
then that's gonna start picture code. I singa in it.
Tomorrow's game one of the NLDS against Philadelphia.

Speaker 1 (01:04:18):
Back to Bernie.

Speaker 2 (01:04:19):
All right, Jef, we'll catch you in in an hour. Uh, Poppy,
you're up next. Let's talk Pete Rose, Bernie.

Speaker 17 (01:04:28):
What I was gonna say about road.

Speaker 25 (01:04:30):
Look, a lot of people are saying this and that,
and my SERI is just we can't Jojo money, God
can Jojo. He did a lot of great thank you
did on the field.

Speaker 3 (01:04:38):
He did a lot of bad.

Speaker 25 (01:04:39):
Things, right, gambling and always a pitcher. But at the
end of the day, the commissioner is going to have
to make a decision.

Speaker 26 (01:04:47):
And like, that's society that we're in.

Speaker 3 (01:04:50):
Now, what is my series?

Speaker 27 (01:04:52):
I go, Oh, they're gonna forgive.

Speaker 2 (01:04:56):
I hope you're I hope you're right, Poppy. Uh yeah,
so you you've kind of go ahead.

Speaker 25 (01:05:01):
Finish it, and you know, and I was just gonna say,
like on the like old days will say no, no, no,
But now the society, how everything's going like, oh poor
him for that?

Speaker 8 (01:05:10):
So does he deserve it?

Speaker 25 (01:05:12):
I think she does, but you know, it.

Speaker 26 (01:05:14):
All depends what the commission is going to attend the voter, right.

Speaker 25 (01:05:18):
Thanks, thanks for I like I was gonna say the
last thing, Bernie, I really like the source of the
collar thing that he met three Road.

Speaker 14 (01:05:23):
And Kip up the great cause callers.

Speaker 9 (01:05:25):
Thank you, Bernie.

Speaker 2 (01:05:26):
Thanks Poppy, good stuff and good luck to your padres
and of course Poppy channeling the great Tupac Shakur. Only
guy can judge me. John and Missouri, you're up next.
I don't believe you've heard from you before.

Speaker 14 (01:05:39):
Welcome in, Thank you very much a long time yesterday.

Speaker 28 (01:05:42):
I just don't call him a lot a buddy. Mine
and I were talking about this the other night because
I'm a big I'm a big sports fan. But everybody,
you know, like MLB is gonna keep Pete Rose alcohol
of fame. There is this new thing that was invented
since the Commission did that, Like, we're going to keep
the Colby Internet and if you type it and both

(01:06:05):
hit in a Korea.

Speaker 19 (01:06:08):
He knows his.

Speaker 28 (01:06:09):
Name is always going to come up on top. So
it's kind of to me ridiculous that you're not gonna
put him at you know, put him in the Hall
of Fame for you know, if his name is going
to be synonymous in baseball for as long as any
as long as the Internet survives, and I think that's
gonna be quite some time, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:06:28):
All Right, good stuff, John, I appreciate your perspective. And
in a sense, what you're saying is irrespective of whether
or not Pete is officially ever inducted, even posthumously. And
again there have been one hundred and seventeen Major League
Baseball players that have been inducted posthumously. He's still a
Hall of Famer in everybody's eyes, right, uh, Nathan and

(01:06:48):
Texas you're up next, welcome in Hi.

Speaker 10 (01:06:51):
Uh.

Speaker 29 (01:06:52):
So, without a doubt what I said, the like, he
should absolutely be inducted for sure. One of the things
I don't hear anybody talk about.

Speaker 11 (01:07:02):
We currently have.

Speaker 29 (01:07:03):
A scandal about a gambling deal with show. Hey, Now,
without a doubt, I do understand the fact that it
was an interpreter that apparently was doing everything, but he
was in implicit So why is Pete Rose boy being
talking about? But like the show, Hey, hold.

Speaker 2 (01:07:24):
On there, big fella. I kind of made that distinction
in the first twenty minutes of the show.

Speaker 10 (01:07:29):
Or I missed it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:31):
It's okay. They ruled twenty one B Section two clearly
says if you bet on your own team, you're you're
going to be You're going to have a permanently ineligible status. Unfortunately,
there's twenty five hundred pages of documents and the thing
called the dob Report, including significant testimony from a guy
named Peters, John Peters I believe his name was, and

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he was the bookie who took a lot of his bets.
I mean, there was handwriting analysis, there were betting slips.
Peter's called Rose a sick gambler. So there was a
mountain of evidence. The Otani thing. We don't know if
he was in place that right, But listen, I don't
mean to be short with you. I want to walk
him in to call him a future show. I just
got to get to all these callers. Thanks Nathan, Matt

(01:08:13):
and San Jose. You're up next.

Speaker 30 (01:08:16):
So my only I'm going to make a really quick point.
I understand he did wrong. He shouldn't have gambled while playing,
especially betting, you know, allegedly on his own team all
this other stuff. But when I'm listening to the radio
sports talk radio, I hear an ad for gambling and
betting on spot every five minutes. So that's all I

(01:08:38):
gotta say. Thank you for taking That's what point, Matt.

Speaker 2 (01:08:40):
I hope you're listening. As the old said, I'll hang
up and listen. Look, you're not wrong, which is my beef.
When Pastor was overturned in twenty eighteen relegating it to
the States to legalize it, Baseball's benefited from that. Okay,
no longer serves me fruitful purpose. Let's figure this out.
Let's figure this out. They didn't want to. They were opstinate.
Mike in Texas, you're up next, Thanks for checking in.

Speaker 16 (01:09:00):
Hey, what do buceru? Hey, I'm gonna make this quick
for you. I do not care all about his gambling past,
but I do not think Pete Rose deserves to be
in the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 15 (01:09:13):
Hear me out.

Speaker 16 (01:09:14):
This is the reason why the man had sex with
a sixteen year old girl while he was thirty three.
He was unapologetic for it. That is the kind of
behavior that should not allow him to be in the Hall.
That's all I have to say.

Speaker 2 (01:09:29):
Thank you, all right, thanks for checking in, Mike. And
the truth of the matter is Pete burned a lot
of bridges. There's just no two ways about it. Let
me count the ways. No one can debate that. Joe
in New York, Are you're up next? Welcome in, Hi, Bernie,
how are we doing good? Sir?

Speaker 31 (01:09:48):
I must say I love the show. I really really
started liking your show when I explicit to ther escusily
on the sety two Dolphins last year or so.

Speaker 2 (01:09:57):
Oh yeah, thank you.

Speaker 10 (01:09:58):
That's a really great episode.

Speaker 3 (01:10:00):
Me.

Speaker 31 (01:10:00):
I'm a lifetime Sophie fan myself. Anyways, I have a
piece of baseball history that I can't really ever say
it was ever happened because I got he Rose the
second last home run he ever hit. And Chase when
I was a little league got a game and my

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dad was talking to the chilli's pitching coach and he's
told the story about how I got the ball, and
he asked if if the Roses meet me or kind
of ball mat and he went to do it because
he was in a pennant race at the time, and
we're going to be passed by that. So the Philly

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lost that game and the next game and didn't win
the pennant. And I have no way to prove that
I have a fear of the ball because.

Speaker 32 (01:10:53):
He went by.

Speaker 2 (01:10:54):
Well real quickly, do you believe petersurves to be in
the Hall of Fame?

Speaker 12 (01:10:58):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:10:59):
All right, I appreciate you. Thanks Joe for checking in,
and don't be a stranger. We do this every Friday
night at twelve am Pacific time, so we call it
the midnight hour. But it's literal, literal, not figurative. Brian
in Seattle, you're up next.

Speaker 32 (01:11:17):
What's up, Bernie?

Speaker 3 (01:11:18):
How do you doing tonight?

Speaker 2 (01:11:19):
I'm doing well, Thank you.

Speaker 32 (01:11:21):
Right on shirt. How do you argue with forty two hits?

Speaker 2 (01:11:26):
Well, of course that's a metaphorical question you're asking. It's
a rhetorical it's a rhetorical question because we all know
and that's why it copched it forty two to fifty
six versus rule twenty one B and everybody's going to
be sanctimonious about it. But there's your answer.

Speaker 32 (01:11:44):
So you believe he should be in He should be
in the Hall of Fame. When you talk about Barry
Bonds and in his home runs, there's always going to
be a cloud, and he admitted to the cloud that
affected his performance.

Speaker 31 (01:11:57):
What does gambling.

Speaker 32 (01:11:59):
Effect when it counts to Pete Bross deaths?

Speaker 2 (01:12:04):
Well, I can hold two thoughts currently, but apparently the
other guys couldn't. And you know they're gonna fall back
on on the rule. All right, thanks a lot, Brian,
don't be a stranger. You're always welcome. We'll continue with
your calls eight seven, seven, nine, ninety six, six three
sixty nine when we come back, and if we don't
get to all you, I'm going to reopen the phone

(01:12:25):
lines at one twenty. This is too important. One twenty
am Pacific, four twenty a m. Eastern. I'm Bernie Fraddle.
We're coming to a line from Las Vegas, Fox Sports Radio,
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On the midnight hour. Fantastic calls. If you couldn't get
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the phone lines at one twenty am Pacific four twenty
am Eastern. Let's go to ed here in Las Vegas
at thanks for your patience, Welcome in.

Speaker 14 (01:12:56):
No problem by Pete Rose. Yeah, as a player, he
should be in the Hall of Fame. But you know
how the whole story came out how he got busted
about his gambling was he had a runner, a guy
who had to make the betch for him bookies, and
the runner was getting pressured because Pete Rose wouldn't paying
off his debt.

Speaker 2 (01:13:18):
Story yep, I didn't have a story, and as I believe,
the guy was out of Dayton, Ohio. Go ahead.

Speaker 14 (01:13:23):
Yeah, that's my whole point, Like players should be in there.
But as a person, he broke all the gambling trusty
rules in the book and let his man be set
up to almost be killed. And that's only reason the
only thing I look inthed rools.

Speaker 2 (01:13:37):
Okay, So did you think Pete should be in or not?
Bottom line?

Speaker 14 (01:13:40):
The bottom line, Yeah, because we have racist Ty Cobb
in there, this and that. As player stats he should
be in there, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:13:48):
Thanks a lot, ed, you know, and you kind of
raised another issue. Good point that is, you know, if
the Hall of Fame we're only confined to good guys
who never stepped a file of you know, life, then
there wouldn't be a lot of guys in the Hall
of Fame. Greg in Dallas, Welcome, Welcome in.

Speaker 10 (01:14:09):
How you doing, Hey, very short and sweet. Unfortunately, I'm
going to say I don't believe he belongs in the
Hall of Fame. I'll tell you the reason why. It's
a Hall of Fame, not a hall of numbers. They
want to start a hall of numbers, that's fine, do that.
The second part is is I think if you are
going to initiate steps to get him in the Hall

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of Fame, start with his teammates from the Rids, because
I already know Johnny Bench is a hard go and
I would like, you know, if they don't pass that test,
if he doesn't pass through that test, I think their
writings on the wall.

Speaker 2 (01:14:44):
Well hold that thought. Johnny Bench definitely was a hard no.
But there's a some other backstories here I don't have
time to go into. But there are plenty of other
players like David Concepsia and Tony Perez, Joe Morgan, they
all want to Pete in and they were trying to
get him to be a little more cooperative.

Speaker 10 (01:15:00):
Yeah, and again I saw the photos from the day
before he died and saw how they were there and
Tony Perez. That team was a team. Pete Rose was
not a true star on the team. There were nine
stars on that team, and that epitomized his team. If
there's a team Hall of Fame, he's in. But as

(01:15:21):
far as that goes, as far as messing with fabric
of the game a little too much, I gotta say no. Unfortunately.

Speaker 2 (01:15:28):
Okay, thanks, Greg, appreciate it. I do take on boards
with the one thing. Pete was a major star on
that team. He was sort of the as Reggie Jackson
One's family famously said to stir that straw, this straw
that stirred the drink as it were Pete one m
v P s. He You know, he was a star
in the seventy five World Series. He was a keycot

(01:15:50):
in the Big Red Machine. He was a table setter,
he played multiple positions, and he was a fan. He
was a true fan favorite. What we are dealing with here,
and I've kind of kept this tucked away in the
seriousness of the issue because we have to we have
to really report on this objectively. You've heard me say,
I think it served no fruitful purpose after thirty years

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anymore to keep Pete off the ballot. But if you
go back to June in nineteen eighty nine, and Roses
attorneys filed a lawsuit to stop a hearing with Bart Giamatti,
and they asked for a judge, not Giamani, to hold
the hearing that got denied. And the truth of the
matter is Pete Rose and Bart Giamatti did not hit
it off. And by that time Giamatti had already seen

(01:16:33):
the Doubt Report, which is twenty five hundred pages, the
book he had just shared with you. Ron Peters called
Roses sick. Amber said Rose would bet up twenty thousand
dollars a day on baseball games, and went on and
on and on with a bunch of numbers, and baseball
started to drop bombshells right and left, and people were
sort of incredulous as to what they were hearing because

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he was the hit king, he was Cincinnati's hit king,
and he was on trial for allegedly breaking the oldest
rule in baseball. And the problem is is this report,
which is pretty voluminous, has all kinds of you know,
facts and figures, and I who Rose bet with and

(01:17:17):
bookies in New York and Florida the years claims a
guy named Jansen told that Rose once owed a New
York bookie four hundred thousand dollars in gambling debts, and
the FBI taped to call between a couple of friends
of Rose which said that you know, Rose had paid
down a huge part of the debt from you know
a little bit, but still owed all of it. Then

(01:17:38):
they had you know, the run of the clubhouse, and
it just it was one thing after number. It genuinely
became death buy one thousand cuts, and eventually you know,
a b R GMOI had Rose sign the agreement which
which he agreed to a lifetime of ineligibility, not banning,
banning ineligibility. I don't even know if Pete understood we

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was signing. I am not sticking out for him. I'll
tell you that right now. All I have said is
after thirty years, when you got to twenty nineteen, I
don't think it's serving you fruit for purpose. Thanks to
all the callers, you were phenomenal. If you still want
to get in, I'll reopen the phone lines at one
twenty am. But coming up. If you like movies, you
don't want to miss the Movie Roundtable. I am Bernie Frattle.

(01:18:22):
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covered all. There's a clear intersection in the world between
pop culture in sports, and that's why we talk movies.
It's time for our Movie Roundtable.

Speaker 1 (01:19:05):
Not one, not two, but three.

Speaker 6 (01:19:09):
Amazing sports, it's entertainment, it's good, it's breeze three.

Speaker 33 (01:19:17):
Alrighty, So, with the passing of Pete Rose and the
beginning of the MLB postseason. Beginning, I decided to center
Breeze three around baseball movies. So I'm gonna start off
in nineteen ninety four with the movie Cob. So just
to keep in line with the controversial baseball players, I

(01:19:38):
am Tommy Lee Jones and Robert wools start, you know,
starring the movie, and it focuses on mostly the life
and a little bit of.

Speaker 34 (01:19:46):
The career of Ty Cobb.

Speaker 33 (01:19:49):
Focuses on sports writer Al Stump and his assignment to
kind of just follow thy Cob on his way to
be inducted into the Baseball Hall of Fame, and just like.

Speaker 34 (01:20:02):
And his twenty four year career in Detroit.

Speaker 33 (01:20:04):
And so he obviously Ty Cobb had this crazy reputation
of being a little bit of like a racist and
a violent man, but obviously he was an incredible baseball player.
So just kind of a little bit ties into obviously
Pete Rosen have all that type of controversy. Obviously a
little bit different, but just kind of made me think.
And later on some of those events and interactions, I

(01:20:26):
guess were found out to be a little like semi fabricated,
but still was an interesting story obviously not a movie
that was going to win any Academy Awards, and definitely
have like a few cringeworthy moments and so like, but
really good Tommy Lee Jones. I felt like a really
good performance by him. So that was my first one

(01:20:47):
and then my second one. You can't have a baseball
kind of like Roundtable without Kevin Costner. So I did
the nineteen ninety nine movie For the Love of the
Game Still also starred John c Riley and Kelly Preston
rest in Peace.

Speaker 34 (01:21:03):
And Vin Scully was the broadcaster. Yeah, so followed his.

Speaker 33 (01:21:07):
Perfect game performance that Kevin Costner and you know, kind
of in the in the middle of the team being
sold and whether or not he was going to retire
or if he was going to be okay with We'll
be okay, but he was going to be traded to
the Giants, I think so, And it follows his perfect
game performance. It took place in a Gey stadium, and

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then in you know, throughout the movie, it's just the
flashbacks between him and Kelly Preston's relationship that had gone
through a lot of trials and tribulations obviously as professional
athlete happens and so they used some of the cameras
for the movie that they actually used during like the
MLB broadcast, like for Fox and TBS.

Speaker 34 (01:21:50):
So that was actually a little bit interesting.

Speaker 33 (01:21:53):
And most of the actors that played baseball were actually
professional baseball players, whether or not they came from Triple
A or they were you know, umpires from Triple A
or Double A. All most like ninety percent of the
players on you know, on Kevin Costner's team or that
they played against, they were actual players. And so and

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then my last one, I like all of them took
place in like the nineties for me, from nineteen ninety
two to nineteen ninety nine, so I did.

Speaker 34 (01:22:21):
A league of their own.

Speaker 33 (01:22:23):
Yes, So definitely a classic definitely focuses on the All
American Girls Professional Baseball League that took place from nineteen
forty three to nineteen fifty four during World War two
just to kind of keep baseball alive because what World
War two had threatened to shut down Major League baseball,
and so you know, the story follows this the beginning

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of that league obviously, with Gina Davis, Rosie O'Donnell and
Madonna Rosy o'donnald actually made her acting.

Speaker 34 (01:22:55):
Debut in this movie.

Speaker 33 (01:22:57):
And then obviously Tom Hanks played the manager who was
a little lush. It was half asleep like sixty percent
of the time and yeah, like well you know, yeah,
and so actually kind of a funny little nugget. Deborah
Winger was supposed to be in the movie, but backed
out because she found out Madonna had been cast in

(01:23:18):
Oh Wow, so she backed out completely. And then another
little thing was Madonna had struggled fielding like ground balls,
so her position was moved from third base to be
in the outfield. So it was a little bit interesting,
and I thought Madonna was awesome in that movie. She
kind of provided that comedic relief.

Speaker 34 (01:23:35):
So those are my threes. I'll go over and mark Europe.

Speaker 2 (01:23:39):
And of course Tom Hanks that was invoked the famous
line there's.

Speaker 33 (01:23:42):
No crying in baseball, which is so funny because actually
we use that in healthcare, there's no crying in healthcare.

Speaker 6 (01:23:50):
He also has my favorite insult of an umpire, which
I can't really say on the air, but I.

Speaker 2 (01:23:58):
Crazy, well you could one time, you know, Okay, Well no,
don't do it.

Speaker 35 (01:24:02):
No, I personally will not because I got the dumb
button too.

Speaker 4 (01:24:06):
So there's that.

Speaker 2 (01:24:06):
Yeah, don't know that anyway, all right, Mark.

Speaker 35 (01:24:09):
So my first one is a movie called Bingo Long,
Traveling All Stars and Motor Keys. So that was with
your prior Billy D Williams and James Earl Jones was
in it. And once again I try to pick movies
that maybe Brianna hasn't heard about, So that's my goal
and Breeze threes. So that's my first one, Bingo Long,
Traveling All Stars, Motor Kings. And my next movie is

(01:24:33):
Mister three thousand with Bernie mack.

Speaker 2 (01:24:35):
Oh. That was a good one.

Speaker 3 (01:24:37):
I love that one.

Speaker 2 (01:24:37):
That was a fun little movie. Yeah.

Speaker 35 (01:24:40):
So it's the basic idea of a baseball player. He's
a really great baseball player and he retires thinking that
he has the record of three thousand hits. There's a
clerical work record, so now he has to get back
on the team and attempt to get the three thousand hits.
So that's the whole point of the movie, and all
the comedy ensues after that. So there's that part, and

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then I picked, well, I think everybody has seen this one,
the Jackie Robinson forty two, uh, starring Chadwick Boseman, and
so that's just uh, I think I think every baseball
fan might know that movie. But then my honorable mentions
Our Major League with Tom Berenger, Rene Russo and Charlie Sheen.

(01:25:24):
But the Cleveland Indians were a horrible team and their
owner wants to sell them. But then the team gets
their revenge by figuring out a way to win the pennant.
And then my last one of honorable mentions would be
Bull Durham. Uh, it's like the old Yeah, and and

(01:25:49):
Timothy I'm not Timothy well l lush, I forgot the
other a husband, yeah at the time, but yeah, So
a season catcher tries to help out the new hot
shot pitcher. So that was that movie. So those are
my breeze threes with my honorable mentions. Let's go to Kevin.

Speaker 6 (01:26:12):
All right, So for me, my top baseball movie number
one is The Sandlot and that's a.

Speaker 1 (01:26:18):
Movie I grew up with as a kid.

Speaker 2 (01:26:19):
If you're that damn dog slaughtering all over the.

Speaker 6 (01:26:22):
Right, if you're a kid growing up as a baseball fan,
that movie is a right of passage. And it really
it not only captures you know, them playing baseball, but
how they that friend group all kind of hangs out together,
just as how old were they?

Speaker 2 (01:26:36):
Kevin share the great movie line that came out of
that one.

Speaker 6 (01:26:38):
Oh you're killing me Small That one, well, my favorite
line in that movie is he's a great a weenie
but you know, to them just hanging out his friends.
So of course Small's is the new kid on the
block and not good at baseball. Rodriguez, Benny the Jet
Rodriguez is like the all star kid, invites him to
join their neighborhood team. They all grow close as friends,

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and then of course, when they needed a ball, he
goes and gets his dad's Babe Ruth autograph baseball to
go play with, and of course they hit it. He
hits his only home run that he never expected to hit,
goes into a backyard of a guy that was essentially
a hermit, and everyone had all these rumors of how
a scary old man he was, and then they had
this mean dog and they had came up with all

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these contraptions to try to retrieve the ball, and then
it finally occurred to them, after all efforts failed, to
just go and talk to him. And of course it's
James Earl Jones. He's a blind retired baseball player who played.
I think he played against the Yankees, but he knew
Babe Ruth and all the Yankee players of the nineteen
twenty seven World Series. So he gave him that autograph
ball to give back to his dad, to replace the

(01:27:44):
lost Babe Ruth ball that had all been chewed up
and slabbered up. And he said in exchange for talking
baseball with me once a week. And I thought that
was just a great movie, and it really kind of
reflected how I kind of felt growing up as a
kid watching baseball. It really kind of encapsule a lot
of my suburban southern California life. Second movie is forty two,

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And for what was stated before, Chadwick Boseman great performance.
I think that was his first major movie that he
was in. Not exactly sure about that, but Harrison Ford
had a great performance. And one of MY favorite parts
about that movie was not just the movie itself, but afterwards,
I was watching a Dodger game and you know who
gave a review of Harrison Ford's performance of branch Ricky

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was Vin Scully because, believe it or not, just a
couple of years after that movie took place, branch Rickey
actually interviewed vinskeally it was his job interview, and Vin
Scully recounted it and said, yeah, Harrison Ford did a
great job, and yeah, I know because I was there.
And then he recounted his interviews with branch Rickey asking him,
you know, are you married? No, SIRP, You engaged? No, SIRP.

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Going steady, no, SIRP. Then he said get a girl,
go steady, get engaged, and get married, and he did
it in the perfect branch Ricky voice. I thought that
was just a great memory to have and why we
were so lucky as doctor fans have, Vin Scully. And
then my third movie is Moneyball, just because one, Brad
Pitt and his performance and that just made it such
a fun movie to watch. And two it really did

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a great job kind of summarizing what analytics wore and
exactly why teams decided to utilize them and what the
competitive edge was and all that. And God, Philip Seymour
Hoffman and is at Aren't how he did a great
job in that one as well. And I just thought
it was just a fun movie to watch as a
baseball fan who appreciated what front offices do to build contenders.

Speaker 2 (01:29:37):
So those are my three.

Speaker 34 (01:29:40):
All righty, Bernie, you're up, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:29:41):
So I'm gonna start with The Natural, which began as
a novel by Bernard Melamo, a famous novel and of
course tells the story of Roy Hobbs, the fictitious character,
you know, the greatest who ever played. One of the
rare movies that uses baseball to actually tell a story
about baseball. A lot of times baseball movies are metaphors
for some other subject matter. Massive All Star cast, Robert Redford,

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Glenn Close, Barbara Hershey, Kim Basinger, Richard Farnsworth, Wilford Brimley,
and obviously it's a story that holds up over time.
So it's a classic classic baseball story. Second one for me,
and oftentimes it'll pop up on TV on flipping channels
eight min Out, which tells the story of the nineteen

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nineteen Black Sox, which is the reason that the rules
put in place almost killed baseball except for Babe Ruth.
They threw the World Series. They were paid off to
throw the World Series, and they did, losing to the
Cincinnati Reds again. Another massive All star cast, John Cusack,
Charlie Seen, Christopher Lloyd, David Stratham right on down the line.

Speaker 23 (01:30:48):
D B.

Speaker 2 (01:30:48):
Sweeney great acting, compelling writing, and I think you also
get a kick out of, you know, nineteen nineteen Chicago
with the cars and the clothes and really really pep dialogue.
And again it's a chronicles a true story of what
gambling and why baseball so deathly afraid of gambling and

(01:31:09):
baseball and it ties into the Pete Roal subject earlier. Finally,
I have to include Moneyball because Moneyball is also a
two story about how the Oakland A's tried to compete
in a league they say is unfair. They were in
a minor market. Billy Bean, who you know, sublimated his
field baseball career. When Billy Bean signed with the Minnesota Twins,

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he was going to be the next Bo Jackson. He
rose to the major league's foregone a scholarship at Stanford
and the truth of the matter is his major league
baseball career failed and I don't think he ever got
over that, but he became an executive Brad Pitt Jonah Hill,
and I think, you know, not only does it share
with folks what analytics became and how they were copied

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and Billy Bean was offered a job of twelve million
a year to go work for the Boston Red Sox
and use that same magic with money, and sure enough,
two years later, the Boston Red Sox won the World Series.
Without Billy Bean, he stayed in Oakland and he's still there. Finally,
the last thought about Moneyball simply this that it teaches that,
you know, baseball is a sport predicated on failure, and

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that that very in scene when Jonah Hill and Brad
Pitt are watching the video, the player who hit a
home run didn't know he hit the home run. It
was a metaphor Brad, you had a great season to
you know, you need to let yourself or Billy Bean,
you had a great season. You know you need to
own that because it happened. What you did was incredible
and the final award was no, we didn't win the

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last game of the season. So baseball can be a
very unforgiving game. So Natural eight min Out and Moneyball.

Speaker 34 (01:32:39):
Eight man Out was based on a book.

Speaker 2 (01:32:41):
Right, I don't know, it may it may well have been,
but it's it's a true story and it's well told
and pretty accurately depicted.

Speaker 33 (01:32:51):
Yeah, I definitely have to check that out and I
think for me, Bullderham was one of my honorable mentions.
And obviously The Sandlot. I think that's everybody you know
as seeing The Sandlot and can name or Ken's quote
like a thousand different like lines from that movie. Always
think of Ben Maller that like whenever they're doing like
the Babe Ruth, like all the nicknames.

Speaker 34 (01:33:11):
It's like Ben Maller has all his nicknames.

Speaker 2 (01:33:15):
All right, listen, great job, everybody, great research, great recall.
Everybody's a good movie buff. And you know, some interesting
thoughts on our movie round table segment coming up. I
will reopen phone lines and if you didn't get in,
I don't want anybody to shut out. The Pete Rose

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thing is important. We had some of the most incredible
calls we've had in ten months about Pete Rose, and
there's a recurring theme any any way you slice it,
whether you liked him, hate him, whatever, there is real
reverence for Pete Rose. So let's hear from you. We'll
squeeze you in eight seven, seven, nine, nine, six sixty
three sixty nine if you so desire. I'm Bernie Frodder.

(01:33:56):
We're coming to line from the Las Vegas Fox Sports
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Speaker 4 (01:34:05):
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Speaker 2 (01:34:17):
All right back on the Bernie Frattle Show, Fox Sports Radio.
Come here live from the Tarac dot com studios here
in Las Vegas, a very spirited midnight hour. Occasionally we
will do this and make an exception because this subject
matter is so impactful. So if you were not able
to get in the full lines of reopen eight seven, seven,
nine nine, six six three sixty nine. Steve in Los Angeles,

(01:34:40):
you are up next.

Speaker 24 (01:34:43):
Hey, Hi, Yeah, I've got a novel idea. Pete Rose
is one of the few, probably ten to fifteen such
great baseball players that are denied access to the Hall
of Fame because of their behavior, because of their transgressions.
But the Hall of Fame could have the hall and

(01:35:05):
make it a hallway, the Hall of Shame, in the
Hall of Shame, and then tell the whole story of baseball.

Speaker 2 (01:35:17):
Well, I think actually there have been versions of that
suggested they didn't call it the Hall of Shame, of course,
but what you're saying, well, it's funny because based on
on field accomplishments, and I know who you're talking about.
You know you did you into Rose. I'm sure you're
talking about Mark mcgworth, Barrymond, Sammy, Sir Roger Clemens, right

(01:35:39):
on downline, usual suspects, right right, and and so based
on their on field accomplishments.

Speaker 3 (01:35:44):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:35:45):
However, what has been suggested is that that become part
of a wing in baseball where there was the sort
of an asterisk wing right where because of their accomplishments,
but they never got bolted in, but they're sort of
recognized in the Hall of Fame. So you're not You're
not terribly wrong there.

Speaker 27 (01:36:03):
Yeah, But the shame as a word is really because
all these people got caught up in their their rise
to same, in wanting to hold onto that same and
become even more and.

Speaker 2 (01:36:18):
The real question or baseball. Look all right, the callers
are lining up. I appreciate you. Steve check in again.
Kurt joins us from southern California.

Speaker 14 (01:36:28):
Hey, Bun, I was a little emotional about the player earlier,
and I just wanted to see if you could clarify something.
You know, you said that Rose wouldn't get inducted because
they're going to fall back on rule twenty one D.
So why isn't there a fallback of rule twenty one

(01:36:49):
D regarding the Astros twenty seventeen seasons.

Speaker 2 (01:36:55):
It's not it's not applicable. It's an Apples an Oranges comparison.
And the real real, the real issue is Rob Man
friend has it out for him, Kurt. He just he
just does well at all.

Speaker 14 (01:37:06):
Shariness though, did anybody investigate whether anybody in the Houston
Astros organization did any wagering? I don't know, especially against
the Dodgers in the world series.

Speaker 10 (01:37:18):
Who was on the other side of that?

Speaker 2 (01:37:21):
Yeah, good question. I got to get to these other callers, Kurt,
save that for a future show. I don't think it's
a subject's going away. Thanks. I want to get to
the new guys, Jim and Ranchi Kuko among the Thanks
for your patience here up next.

Speaker 11 (01:37:34):
Ain't no problem. Appreciate you taking my call.

Speaker 26 (01:37:36):
I may have missed something, but I just happen to
turn on your show. It sounded like the argument or
the question of the debate is should Pete be in
the Hall of Fame or not. I just want to
really quickly reference the caller you had earlier tonight that said,
it's not the Hall of numbers. It may not be
called the hall of numbers, but that isn't that the
real reason we get it?

Speaker 2 (01:37:57):
You get into the certainly, certainly you're not wrong. You
have to have you have to have had ten years
in a major league service number one, and you have
to have a baseline of talent, our baseline of accomplishment
typically five hundred home runs, three thousand and eight seconds.
You know, you know, you know the drill.

Speaker 26 (01:38:14):
I thank you. I appreciate that. I'm not up of
all the technicalities about the rules and everything else. But
bottom line, just as a fan of Pete Rose, he
had the numbers. He may not be the high have
the highest moral character, but his numbers if they if
his numbers put him in outside of those other considerations,
then the man should be in.

Speaker 2 (01:38:34):
Yeah. See, that's the objective viewpoint, not the subjective viewpoint.
And it's hard to maintain some subjectivity because if I,
if I have a bit of time, I'll read you
some I'll read you some excerpts from the twenty five
hundred pages of documents and exhibits that that compiled the

(01:38:56):
Final Doubt Report, and it's it's pretty damning stuff. It's
just simply John in Tennessee. You are up next, Good evening.

Speaker 12 (01:39:04):
Hi?

Speaker 2 (01:39:05):
Hello, Hi, how you doing. What are your thoughts on
Pete Rose there? John?

Speaker 13 (01:39:12):
Well, I've been to the Hall of Fame, pretty impressive place.

Speaker 3 (01:39:16):
I think his plaque deserves to be there.

Speaker 14 (01:39:19):
Oh, that's just my personal opinion.

Speaker 2 (01:39:22):
You all right, I think that's I think that's all good.
Are anything else? John, No, that's it all right, That's
that's exactly what we're looking for, whether or not people
believe Pete should be in. Dave in Phoenix, how are you, Dave?

Speaker 36 (01:39:40):
Hey, Bernie, how are you?

Speaker 2 (01:39:42):
If your Wolverines could throw a forward pass? I bet
you made a better mood. But that's a conversation for
a different day.

Speaker 36 (01:39:48):
It is, indeed, so on September eleventh, nineteen eighty five,
I was at Riverfront Stadium when Pete broke Ty Cobb's record.
You were then, In fact, I was there, and earlier
in the day I got Pet's autographed on my ticket
for that night's game over at his hangout called flying
against Tavern. But having said that, I do think, as

(01:40:11):
you said way early on, they should not have removed
the writers from having the ability to vote him in
or out. So that's one thing that should never have
been done. Now should they vote him in or out?
As another question? I have mixed feelings on that, But
I do think he broke a cardinal rule and then
he lied about it for many, many years, And of

(01:40:32):
course somebody else brought up the fact about the sixteen
year old girl I was pretty horrible. Whether that's a
factor actor or not, I guess it's up to the
opinion of the writers. So I really do have mixed
feelings about whether he should be voted in at some
point or not.

Speaker 2 (01:40:50):
All right, fair enough, Dave, appreciate you checking in Again.
My premise has always been people say they got to
put him in. You don't just put him in. There's
a legitimate process, and now it have to go the
Veterans Committee. He'd first have to be reinstated. Pete would
have to be reinstated by Commissioner Rob Manfred. The chances
of that are, you know, are slim and none, and

(01:41:11):
you know, Slim left town or whatever the hell that
stupid joke used to be, that's amazing that Dave Dave
was at that game. I have a funny story. It's true.
Of course, they played the Potterys that night and Eric
Show was pitching. Eric Shaw was a member of the
John Birch Society and not necessarily popular among his teammates,

(01:41:31):
and of course, God rest his soul shots no longer
with us. But my good buddy Tim Flannery was playing
for the Padres and behind the batting cage that night
he had one of the funniest lines I've ever heard.
He went up to Eric Shohn says, you know, Eric,
you go through life you always think everybody's rooting against you. Well,
tonight you're right, and I think that was probably true.

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And Pete ended up getting the hit, and of course
it was a Texas leaguer into left field. Shaw was
so angry he thought leftfielder Carmelo Anthony should have dove
for the ball, or should have caught the ball, which
is a little ridiculous. They only showed that replay a
thousand times. You couldn't have caught that ball with a
canoe paddle. And the truth of the matter is that
led to an incident in the dugout where Flan told

(01:42:15):
me that they almost got to a fight in the dugout.
So plenty of stories Pete rose, his legacy will live forever.
And even though I think one of the recurring themes tonight,
even if Pete is never posthumously inducted into the Major
League Baseball Hall of Fame, of which again one hundred
and seventeen other former Major leaguers are inducted into the

(01:42:36):
Hall of Fame posthumously, He's still a Hall of Famer
in spirit. Coming up, finally, we'll get to some college football.
But first let's go back to our guy, the chef,
Kevin Warett with the latest.

Speaker 6 (01:42:48):
Yeah, Bernie, we did have some college of football on
Friday night. Sixth rank Oregon now moves to six and
oh two and zero in the Big Ten after they
dismantled Michigan State thirty one to ten. Dylan Gabriel responsible
for three of the ducks four touchdowns on the day.
He had two of them passing one on the ground.
Also threw for two hundred and fifty seven yards, Jordan

(01:43:09):
James one hundred and sixty six yards and his score
for the Ducks as again They're now two to Ozero
in their first Big ten season in since City. The
dreams of a perfect season for the twenty fifth ranked
UNLV Rebels has come to an end.

Speaker 7 (01:43:25):
Heavy formation, mang and Valari are left in the gun.
The snap is taken, give them the quip Hammers at
the end zone on second effort, No, he stood up.
Now we fighty gimes in Jack Pott McQuinn Allen jack
Pott in Vegas. His fourth touchdown of the game lifts
the Orange to victory.

Speaker 6 (01:43:42):
That was the Syracuse Sports Network from lear Field with
the call as the Orange get the win in overtime
forty four to forty one. Kyle McCord three touchdown passes
and three hundred and fifty five yards on the evening
at Syracuse is now four and one and very well
could be sniffing a top twenty five ranking, and Houston
beats TCU thirty to nineteen. The horn Frogs one to

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two in the Big twelve, as they were in the
National Championship Game just a couple of years ago. So
the horn Frogs struggling so far this season and in
the WNBA playoffs.

Speaker 1 (01:44:14):
The Las Vegas Ace is still alive.

Speaker 6 (01:44:16):
They beat the New York Liberty ninety five eighty one,
so that series lead for New York still two games
to one. Aja Wilson nineteen points, fourteen rebounds of double double.
Breon Stewart with nineteen points. Minnesota over Connecticut ninety to
eighty one, so they take a two to one lead
in that series due the Minnesota Lynx. In Major League Baseball,
big blow for the San Diego Padres as Joe musk

(01:44:39):
Grove after having to leave Wednesday's game against the Braves
and the fourth inning due to elbow discomfort, The Padres
got the worst possible news they could get as Joe
Musgrove now gonna need Tommy John surgery on that right elbow.
So obviously his postseason is done very well. Could miss
all of twenty twenty five as well in the and

(01:45:00):
that's going to start. Code I Singa in Game one
of the NLDS Saturday at the Philadelphia Phillies.

Speaker 2 (01:45:07):
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hundred eighty five pages. It was released in Cincinnati in
June of nineteen eighty nine. There were over twenty five
hundred pages of documents and exhibit and exhibits, including betting slips,
betting records, three purported betting slips that apparently were stolen
from Rose's house, and handwriting analysis allegedly said Baseball said

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there was handwriting analysis that proved that Rose had written
those betting slips. There were checks Rose allegedly used to
pay gambling debts, and telephone records that showed many short
calls just minutes apart between Rose and a bookie and
his other bookie. The report said that that indicated gambling activity.

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I'll tell you what I'm gonna do. We're gonna go
to a quick break and we'll wrap up the show.
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at Fox Sports Radio. I'll get to the call in
just a second. But before I go any further, I
want to thank my broadcast team back in Los Angeles, Mark,
Brie and Kevin on the updates. Excellent job, everybody, another
great show for the folks tonight. Really appreciate the teamwork

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from everybody. All right, go back out to the phone lines.
We have one final call on the Petro Saga van
in Minnesota. You got the last.

Speaker 37 (01:47:29):
Word, Yes, Ernie Roses Damblin transgressions do not in any
way compare it to the nineteen nineteen.

Speaker 12 (01:47:40):
Black Sox scandal. However, you broad that report, I have
not unless he unless he bet on the same amount
every game. He had inside information. He knew who he
was going to pitch, he knew who he had injured,
he knew who the apparents were injured. He had inside information.

(01:48:02):
That's nearly unforgivable.

Speaker 2 (01:48:05):
All right, Well, the bottom line is do you think
Peach should be in the Hall of Fame?

Speaker 14 (01:48:11):
Sorry?

Speaker 2 (01:48:12):
No, fair, No appreciate it yet to be sorry, I
appreciate your opinion, and thanks for hanging online to night. Van.
We do this every Saturday night at twelve am Pacific time,
midnight it would be two am your time, I believe
in Minnesota. Just to put a capro on this, there
are a couple of college games that I think are
must see Saturday. And you've heard Cavin's update talking about

(01:48:33):
the UNLV Syracuse game Friday night. Just an absolute classic,
forty four to forty one final. This had major implications
for UNLV. Had to continue down undefeated, they would have
made the short list of one of the group of
five teams to be invited. You know, you still got
you know, Utah State next week in Boise State and

(01:48:53):
Oregon State, and you had a lot of work ahead
of you. But one of the time, as they say,
just an epic, epic football game. You know, movies, movie producers,
movie script writers, they strive to come up with endings
in movies. Right, You can write a great script and
a story. It's got a beginning middle, but can you

(01:49:13):
come up with a good end that brings everything together?
And oftentimes it doesn't happen. Seems to always happen in sports,
almost always. You heard me talking about the miracle by
the Mets this past week, and then what happens Saturday
night in Las Vegas. Friday night in Las Vegas. It
went over time, just just an incredible game. Let me
put a kappra though on this DOWD report, and it's

(01:49:35):
public information, it always has been. There were a series
of court hearings in Cincinnati in late June of nineteen
eighty nine, two full months before Rose was deemed permanently ineligible,
and the truth of the matter is even by then,

(01:49:58):
Rose's attorneys said the commissioner's officer that Astros to step
aside his reg manager while the investigation continued. And anyway,
the whole baseball world, the whole sports world, was focused
on Rose in these hearings, and as I mentioned, his
Bookie Ron Peters testified that he called Rose a sick gambler.

(01:50:21):
Rose would bet up to twenty thousand a day, bet
more than a million with him as a bookie during
that period, etc. Etc. And then New started the league
when these major trials happened. You know, during the first
two days of court hearings on Rose's lawsuit, the national
media descended upon Cincinnati and it was Grand Central Station.

(01:50:43):
And on the first day, Doubt and all the baseball
lawyers claimed, and this was the first time publicly that
they had gathered quote substantial and heavily corroborated evidence that
Rose had bet hundreds of thousands of dollars on baseball.
And wait for it to cincinninety reds now. This was
making a crucial distinction at that time. It wasn't just

(01:51:06):
that Rose who was an avid better on football and
college football in the NFL. Everybody knew that, but he
not only had bet on baseball, but according to doubt
In the baseball lawyers, they claimed during this trial in
day two that there was quote substantial and heavily corroborated
evidence that Rose had bete hundreds of thousands on baseball,

(01:51:27):
and the reds now. You know why still waters run deep,
They run very deep along baseball lines. They made it
the distinction there back to Baseball's Rule twenty one. According
to Rule twenty one, rules would be automatically suspended for
one year if he bet on baseball, but it would
be banned for life if he bet on his own team.

(01:51:48):
Whether he bet on the win or lose didn't matter. Now,
there was a you know, all kinds of media people
who have sat on both. Somehow they managed to be
in the court room for Roses trial and the oj
trial and the job at a Ramsey trial and the
casey Anthony Trill, and they said was this was the drama,

(01:52:09):
just like that media circus, everything right on down the line.
The whole country was watching scene and went live because
it wasn't just the hit king of the Cincinnati Reds.
It was America's hit king. It was on trial for
breaking the basically the oldest rule on baseball. And he
heard me talk about it been out earlier, right, So

(01:52:30):
this was a major decision that was made and it
shook the baseball world when it happened. And in retrospect,
you know, more and more and more has has come out.
And uh, even though there were there were telephone records,
he had two basic bookies. One's last name was Janson

(01:52:51):
and the other was Peters. So there's no way I
can do this justice. I'm just giving you a thumbnail sketch.
Is that the evidence Baseball had which formed the DOBB,
which formed the basis for Abe Bartie Imani's decision. I
believe he had a deathbed wish to fae vincident, who
carried it on to Bud Selik, who passes a longer
Rob Manfred. Manfred just wouldn't even give Rose the time

(01:53:12):
of day. No matter how many times Rose tried, he
wouldn't give him the time of day. So my position
is still the same. It didn't serve any fruitful purpose
after twenty nineteen to at least keep him, you know,
off the ballot anymore, allow the Baseball writers to decide
and do I think they would have voted been no,

(01:53:34):
But you to allow to at least go to a
vote might have been more appropriate. And in retrospect, I
think there's been you know, a lot of groundswell of
support for Pete, who essentially a people are trying to
separate his on field activity versus his off field indiscretions,

(01:53:55):
and Bob cost has said it once a long time
ago as well, that if in fact it was proven
that Pete bet as a manager, well, all of his
playing records and accomplishments and achievements predated his, you know,
experience as a manager, So shouldn't maybe they perhaps perhaps

(01:54:17):
you wouldn't compartmentalize that, right, There's never going to be
a consensus on this. There's never going to be. I'm
secure in the knowledge I don't think Rob Manfred will
ever reinstate Pete. And that's exactly what would need to
be happening. At the minimum for Pete to be considered
to be back on a ballot. It would have to
go to the Veterans Committee, and based on what I

(01:54:39):
think I know the composition of the committee and the writers,
they ain't gonna do. It just isn't going to happen.
But a lot of incredible sentiments and remembrances for Pete Rose,
who had one caller who was at the game where
he got the hit the past, Ty Cobb, you know,
when had an accounter with him at a Bob Evans restaurant
that was not too friendly. So it was all around

(01:54:59):
the map but overwhelmingly amazingly because you never see this
coming in the midnight hour where the consensus is going
to be people believe, on some level there is a
world where Pete Rose deserves to be in the Hall
of Fame, and they don't have time to go back
and revisit that. Now, all right, phenomenal football game Friday

(01:55:23):
night in Las Vegas, which paves the way for a
couple of other games that I think are are interesting. Okay,
maybe they may not jump at you. The defending champion
Michigan Wolverines visit Washington Saturday, and it's a rematch of
last year's national championship game. But let's face it, this
will barely resemble last year's game between Michigan and Washington

(01:55:44):
because both teams underwent significant roster changes, significant turnover. They
both changed coaches, right Obviously, Kaylin de Borr has gone
on to Alabama and Jim Harbaugh is now the head
coach the Chargers. Michigan is a team that has does
not have the any ability to complete the forward pass

(01:56:07):
or throw a forward pass, and I think that could
spill trouble against the Washington team that's been not great
but decent on both sides of the ball, and they're
gonna have a pumped up crowd and by the way,
get used to the new normal. This is Yes, a
Big ten matchup between Washington and Michigan feels like Washington
squeaks out a close one, but you never know. The

(01:56:28):
Ohio State Buckeyes, who seemed to fly under the radar
this year, an incredibly prolific offense, no two ways about it.
You hear about Alabama, you should hear about Alabama. You
hear about Georgia, you hear about Tennessee, not a lot
of folks are talking about Ohio State. Well, there are
twenty one point favorites against Iowa Saturday, and for the
most part they've owned Iowa, and the Iowa offense ironically

(01:56:52):
has been maybe better than the defense this year, and
it seems to me like Iowa their offense might do
enough to hang that number be under twenty one. However,
one of the reasons this game has intrigued is because
Ohio State can't afford to stumble. Ohio State travels to
Oregon next week for another quote unquote Big ten matchup,

(01:57:13):
and you start to see this survive in advance. I
think regardless of what happens in the Hop State Oregon
game next week. Both have an inside track to make
it to the playoff, but neither one really wants to lose,
which is something you're gonna see more and more of now,
week in week out. It's not just Okay, we're gonna
make the playoffs or not, but it's also this seeding
as well, twelve team playoff, which all starts on December twentieth.

(01:57:37):
All right, it's gonna do for the Bernie Fraddle Show.
I'll be back on these airwaves Saturday night at eleven
pm with all kinds of high jinks, plenty of NFL stuff.
We have some excellent guests, and we'll cover it all
once again on The Bernie Fradle Show Saturday night at
eleven pm Pacific. It's gonna do it for the Bernie
Fraddle Show. But keep it locked up. Next on the
same airwaves, the Great Anthony Gargano Fox Sports YEO

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