November 19, 2024 • 47 mins
It's Fox Sports Radio's official fantasy football podcast! Dan Beyer and Mike Harmon open the show with their instant takeaways from both sides of the Cowboys vs. Texans Monday Night Football showdown. How should you treat guys like CeeDee Lamb and Rico Dowdle in your lineup going forward? How should the return of Nico Collins change your outlook on other Texans players? How is Joe Mixon seemingly getting BETTER with age? Later, the guys get into some of the other matchups from Week 11, going through some of the studs and duds from each. Plus, with the playoffs fast approaching, Mike shares his hot waiver wire adds of the week!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 4 (00:33):
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You on the train?
Speaker 5 (01:01):
Okay, there it is.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
I have all of one follower and it's you know.
Speaker 5 (01:06):
Usual boy, Ian Ian. Are you on the on the
train yet?
Speaker 1 (01:10):
No?
Speaker 6 (01:10):
I haven't yet, but I know that I do need
to jump on the wave because like we talked about
on last week. So I need to get the Ian
Roddy before that British guy got.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
British.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
The great thing about the conversation last week was I
went into my search bar again and it said Ian Roddy,
and that guy's face was looking right at me. Because
that that's what we talked about. Is Ian said he
had his Twitter handle, not stolen from him, just somebody
got it first, but the British Ian Roddy. So you
may want to get on that, uh for for Blue
Sky before it takes over. All right, let's talk about
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that Monday night affair. We don't have to spend a
ton of time on it, but we usually do it
here on this podcast. All I'm going to say this
about the Dallas Cowboys, and it has nothing to do
with their stadium. Already, got that out of the way.
I have Ceedee Lamb in a league. I have Ceede Lamb.
Speaker 5 (01:59):
We spent a hold over, and I think sometimes we
have holdovers.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
You have this relationship, you feel this special bond with
that player more so than other players on your team.
But even I was getting sick of Ceedee Lamb complaining
every time Cooper Rush didn't throw the ball to him,
and I just think or near him, or have it
in the right spot, and I just think it's so counterproductive.
(02:23):
I don't know what fantasy advice Mike we could give
with the Dallas Cowboys. I just thought it was a
bad look for a team that's got enough problems on
their hand. Making their backup quarterback look like he's even
more incompetent than what he has to deal with on
offense is a bad look for Ceedee Lamb, there's my
cowboy take.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
No, it's one hundred percent right, But what do we
always say? Squeaky wheel gets the grease whatever else and
targets you know, but that's shit, right, Still eight for
ninety three. He just didn't like the ones he didn't
get Dan, especially when Cooper Rush throws the ball fifty
five times, that means that's forty times he didn't throw
it towards CD and Anger even completed a four yard
(03:09):
nice catch. Nice tackle by Mechi by the way, hopefully
you know, if you have idp leagues, you make sure
you get that asterisk in that point for your tackle.
But all of that to say, yeah, it's it's the
frustrations just blowing and over I say, blowing over. And
it's kind of funny, be given the winds are being
blamed for the destruction of Jerry's palace. There high winds.
(03:32):
They had a big storm early in the morning. So
whoever the hell then decided, Hey, let's open the roof
after all of that, what'd you think it was just
gonna be everything blew away?
Speaker 3 (03:41):
It's gonna be a nice.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Clear day, no problems, problems that you probably should have
checked your your ceiling and the mechanism and everything, you know,
routine maintenance every six months. But that being said, for
cd LAMB, target count's going to be there. Sonity. All
we can speak to I think here is opportunity. I
was talking to about this, you know, with another member
(04:04):
that was on the checklist right for this week, Ricodowdell
as a potential sleeper after he got the dreaded vote
of confidence as the starter. Well, he still touched the
ball what twelve times? That's all I can That's all
I can say is you got twelve opportunities. Now, the
fact that he literally could have just fallen forward and
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achieved the same level of confidence that he did against
the Texans, I can't predict that but all I I
I can say is opportunity is gonna be there. As
per CD LAMB owners turn off the the post games.
Maybe maybe don't watch, Maybe don't watch, be like be
like a lot of gamblers. I like the lines I
did my algorithm. Here's what it spit out in terms
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of what I should bet and go do something else,
because otherwise you're gonna watch it, You're gonna be mad.
Speaker 5 (04:51):
I think.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
I think if here's someone like me and and you
have CD LAMB and you got eight for ninety three,
that's about what you can ask for. Because even getting
in the end zone right now, it's difficult for the
Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 5 (05:03):
The way that it is so like a.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
Statline like that isn't isn't shouldn't be frustrating for you.
But when I see Ceedee Lamb on every single pass
do something and it's not, it's that almost like whiny teenager,
it just looks very immature, like come on, or like
(05:26):
we obviously see the passes five yards off the mark
or Cooper Rush was running for his life. I just
think it's a bad look. Smallest, smallest of the Cowboys problems.
By the way, I actually think the stadium deal, And
to your point, Mike, is more indicative and representative of
how the Cowboys actually are run and where you have
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this great, beautiful facility that Jerry Jones was just bragging
about a couple of weeks ago, and what do we have, Well,
we have people who can't see thee lamb can't see
because it's in the sun. Now you have tiles falling
from the roof, one that you really haven't opened in
the last what year, two two years?
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Yeah, the door's October thirtieth, so too.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
So you know here you decide to do that, and
it's like you see this beautiful what you think is
a palace, and then there's just problems everywhere. And that's
what I think the Dallas Cowboys are. You still have
the name brand, but when you even just start looking
on the surface, you see problems, and as you get
deeper in, there's more problems. And I think it's very
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representative of who the Dallas Cowboys are right now.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
One hundred percent eye on the prize facade. And when
it's printing money, you're not looking underneath the hood, right
If a business is still making money, you're not necessarily
going to look at where there are inefficiencies, where there's redundancy,
all of those things, unless you got to be truly
you know, responsive to shareholders whatever, and then and then
(06:54):
maybe there's a whole other in But for Jerry Jones,
NFL continues to grow, his pockets continue to get lined.
People are showing up and paying money hand over fist.
I think the number of empty seats they had on
Monday night might also be something that will stick with
him as much as the point differentials and home losses
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or that you know, sad fluttering piece of metal that
looked like the damn thing from Forrest Gump. Dude, when
the feathers started flying out. Dude, you know all that.
So that that's where we're at for him, right because
in the post game he's being asked about point differentials,
home losses, home no shows, and he sounds like a sullen,
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beaten man. But then you're able to give him the
one two combination and come over the top about the
stadium falling apart. I mean, now you've just cut him
to the quick, because you know it just goes to
a pt Barnum like effect.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
I'm going to say this about the Dallas Cowboys, I'm
going to read you a list then we'll get some
Texans fantasy stuff in a second. Because i was watching
the game and I'm thinking about it, and I'm like, like,
how did it? How did it get this bad? Because
let's be honest, they struck it rich when they drafted
Dac when he did and then turned out to be
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the quarterback that he was. Whether you like him or not,
it was a successful draft pick. And so then I
started to think of, you know, the Cowboys. I saw,
you know, Zach Martin got hurt and he's been dealing
with injuries as of late, and he's no doubt on
the back end of his career. But I'm like, Zach
Martin was a really good pick by them in the
draft when.
Speaker 5 (08:37):
He was picked.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
So dating back to twenty ten, they took Dez Bryant
in the first round. That was a pick that worked out.
Tyron Smith was their first round pick in twenty eleven.
That worked out well. Claybourne, the corner from LSU, probably
didn't work out, but then you had Travis Frederick. I
think that worked out until his career was cut short.
Zach Martin that worked out. Byron Joe was great for them,
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and then he left for Miami via free agency. Ezekiel
Elliott was the twenty sixteen first round pick. Taco Charlton
was their first round pick out of Michigan in twenty
seventeen that didn't work out. Layton Vanderesh was their first
round pick in twenty eighteen, but that was mixed on
him because they gad potential but then injuries ended.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Up coming good years.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Yeah, right, I mean it wasn't a long flash, but yeah,
and he gave you some big moments.
Speaker 5 (09:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
I think they chared the pick to Oakland for Amari
Cooper in twenty nineteen, Ceedee Lamb in twenty twenty, Micah
Parsons in twenty twenty one, Tyler Smith in twenty twenty two,
Mayzee Smith last year hasn't been great and Tyler got Mike.
They've hit on a lot of these first round picks.
And I'm sitting there and that's over the last fourteen years.
And obviously des Bryant's not in the league anymore, and
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some of the names that I mentioned have moved on.
But they've hit on these picks, and for some reason,
they still haven't been able to build anything underneath it
or a R. But I couldn't even pick look at
the draft to be like, you know what, they've really
kind of messed this thing up, because they haven't. They've
They've probably had a better track record than all of
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our favorite teams. So it was just crazy to me
in thinking back at it.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
No, because it's interesting, right because even if you go
before Dak, you look at his predecessor, Romo was undrafted. Yeah,
for all that, all the hate and vitriol that he gets,
Like this guy was an undrafted player out of Eastern
Illinois and went on to the career that he did. So, like,
they've been able to find talent in spots, and that's
(10:33):
the curiosity, right is the first round when we always
talk about, well, you may not win your fantasy league
in a first round, but you could lose it. Here
for the Cowboys, they've they've hit. I mean, how many
of those are you saying either as an incomplete or
a fail two? Yeah, I mean otherwise all of these
guys became pretty long term starters, and you could say
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stars then you decide, you know what grade star they are.
So no pun intended with the Dallas Star of course,
but the rest of the roster process for this year,
it was the all in and still was trying. We
were trying to parse that out in the off season.
How much of this would have been solved if you
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had a reasonable running back.
Speaker 5 (11:21):
Yeah, and that's no.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Disrespect to the guys that are battling and what they
were and the histories and everything else. Tony Pollard we've
used pejorative terms on air and certainly in the fantasy realm.
But he was functional, he was serviceable. He was better
than average. Right, one thousand yard rusher. Was it sexy? No,
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because again, to get to a thousand yards these days
means one thing, one very important thing. You were available, Yes,
and that was one thing that Tony Pollard gave you.
As a runner and a receiver, you could get your
twelve to fifteen touches and be reasonably assured of this
is going to give you some kind of balance. At
(12:03):
this point, they've got nothing.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
I'll say this, Mike was on the Tony Poller train
way earlier than many people, and they got good years
out of him. And it wasn't until he you know,
snapped his ankle against the Niners in that playoff game.
That didn't seem like he really came back last year,
and I don't know if that had a I think
it had an effect on to be perfectly honest with you,
because he wasn't the same back last year, and it
allowed them to let him, you know, walk away then.
Speaker 5 (12:28):
This year and go to the Tennessee Titans. And he's
doing fine with the Titans.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
You know, maybe not as great as he was doing
with the Cowboys, but yeah, just there's.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
He's years ahead of whatever they've got now. Yeah, yeah, right,
I mean that's really all it comes down to.
Speaker 5 (12:41):
One hundred percent.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
So when they let Zeke go and then brought him
back two years later, it just did not make any
sense and had no one there to replace it. But
it just it's it's representative, like this team looks like
cosmetically and on the outside and it's all flash and
then you get into the to maybe the guts of
the team and it's it's just not there.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
And the curiosity for this game was until the the
big gaff, you know, and everybody like, hey, lineman, go down,
go down, you've got the ball. The Cowboys were in
this game. They were hanging around. Was it pretty No,
But they were hanging around curiosity for Turpin and how
he gets used obviously a lot of it on the big,
(13:25):
big scoring play right eighty six yards of a score,
three receptions. The loss of Ferguson very early in the game.
I think he would have been in a bunch of
lineups today, usual backup quarterback kind of syndrome of let's
go find the tight end in safety valve. So schoonbacker
came in six fifty six for him. But yeah, it's
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it's tough sledding right now.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
I'll tell you what we had a we had a
scenario in my fantasy league, and this is the problem.
And now I understand it because for years I never
was in two leagues, and now I'm in two leagues,
and I can't remember what rules are for what league,
even though I feel like I've made the rules for
most of one league, because that's our twenty seven year league.
Speaker 5 (14:13):
The issues that I was, the issue.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
That I was gonna say was we had a guy
who was down like three point eight points and he
had Brandon Aubrey. So you make this sixty four yarder? Yeah,
I thought like and I thought in our league was
four points, but our site said only three. But anyway,
puts him within a point, and then you get the
penalty and the Cowboys take it off the board. They
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obviously go for it on fourth and two, wipe it out.
I wonder if there was anybody else who thought that
they won their game, because you know, Brandon Aubrey had
made that kick and then then had Mike McCarthy take
it away only to never give it back.
Speaker 6 (14:50):
Well, remember he also missed a kick earlier in the
game too, so that he missed was like a forty yarder, yeah,
something like that.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
But he hits a sixty four yard Well, the hell's
taking that off the board, and in a lot of
leagues that would have been six point four points. Sure
got as much as a lot of second running bags
are scoring in the lat I.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
Just was thinking to myself, man, because that's also the point.
And by the way, Mike McCarthy did make the right choice.
You have to take You can't you get a first
you get a fifteen yard penalty and a first down,
you're in a.
Speaker 5 (15:20):
In a ten point game, you think.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
You're I mean, honestly, then if it wasn't fourth and two,
because they got to fourth and two on like a
third and thirteen when they threw past the ceedee lamb
for ten yards or whatever. You probably still kick the
field goal in that scenario, but man to make the
kick and then have it taken off just to kicking
the nuts, just to kick in the nuts.
Speaker 5 (15:44):
All right, we need to take a time out.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
We haven't even talked about the Texans yet, so we
will because I think there is a bit of a
conversation there, sure so much more. He is Mike Carmon,
I'm Dan byer Ian, Roddy's here Texans, and yeah, some
week twelve craziness.
Speaker 5 (15:58):
That's next year, and I want your flax. It is
iy air flex.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
He's Mike Harmon, I'm Dan byer Ian Roddy's our executive producer.
Big news in the NFL on Monday coming from the Giants,
a quarterback change being made. We'll talk about that in
a second, but we were going to touch on the
Houston Texans, the Stefan Diggs less. But now you have
Nico Collins Houston Texans. Tank Dell's there, Robert Woods is there,
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Mechi's there. But maybe most importantly for CJ. Straud is
that Joe Mixon is there. Because the hat trick on
Monday night, Mike, and Joe Mixon seems like a whole
new football player with the Houston Texans.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
To one of the few things I'll take credit for
on the scorecard. He was number one at running back,
Yes he was, and he dominated.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
And you had Nico Collins at number one, and he
may have been somewhat close to that first touchdown was
not wiped off on the first play?
Speaker 2 (16:52):
You do mean when they had two hundred and fifty
yards of offense to score seven points. No, obviously I exaggerate,
but yes, it's curious, right, So Joe Mixon having his time.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
We know the cost to bring him there was minuscule.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
We were talking about draft evaluations, trades, all those kind
of things, just you know, a bucket of balls, more
or less. And now you look at the year, he's
having touchdowns every time he hits the field. In this one,
I don't know if you stayed and watched till the end, Dan,
with four minutes left, he was doing a meet and
greet in the end zone, literally shaking hands, taking selfies.
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There's still about three minutes fifty seconds on the clock
after his third touchdown run. So all of that to say,
a guy obviously having a lot of fun. Contrasts that
to his former team and that long slow walk and
the thousand yard stare of Joe Burrow after that loss
to the Chargers. You want to talk about everything going
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and coming up roses for Joe Mixon right now, He's
just been fantastic. And that's with questions about the offensive line.
You know what a great running back can make all
of those disappear real fast.
Speaker 6 (18:07):
You know, With how close the Bengals games have been,
I wonder if Joe Mixon would would honestly make the
difference for them this year.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
But that's the thing, right, I mean, McPherson kicks.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
It's interesting, what do we have four.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Different instances of close games where he's had an issue
and while they've had pretty good success with their run
game and Brown's a player, I think we can all
agree to that. Yeah, would that margin be different if
old Joe Mixon. I keep wanting to call Mojo Nixon,
but that's a music act, and you know I'll send
folks down that rabble another time.
Speaker 5 (18:38):
I'm gonna say no.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
The reason being is, do you know how many in
since you posed the question, do you know how many
one hundred yard games Jill Mixon had with the Bengals last.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
Year, he had did he have any?
Speaker 4 (18:53):
He had one one? It was the final week of
the season against Cleveland in a game that for the
Bengals didn't matter, they weren't going to the playoffs, and
he ends up with fourteen carries one hundred and eleven yards,
you know when over the Cleveland Browns, who didn't care
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about the game either. So the maybe I can't remember
the playoffs Innreio with the Bengals obviously didn't make the
playoffs last year. Point being is he had won this
year with the Houston Texans. I think it's been every
game but about two, and I know he was dinged
up for a couple of them, but I mean it's
he's a different guy, and I actually think that number one,
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it's the team. And yet in the games that he's played,
he's only he has not gone over one hundred yards twice.
It was against the Lions, had forty six yards and
then against Mike yar Bears in Week two, but he
also got hurt in that game.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
But even in that game against Detroit, still finished with
ninety total yards. Yeah, well for two catches forty four
yards and scored. So he's scored in every game except
the Bears. That's when they heard him early in that game.
Remember the hip drop tackle that took him down. Yeah,
so there you go. That's how you stopped Joe Mixon
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in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
So my point is is, I think that him not
going back to Cincinnati, and it felt like that was
kind of destined to happen anyway when he was there
last year, that his stay wasn't going to be long,
and so maybe there's a bit of a resurgence. I
think Cincinnati, he's still got some problems of their own.
Maybe it would it takes some a load off that
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defense because they've got nothing this year in Cincinnati on
that side of the ball. But I just the Texans
have been searching for a guy for so long and
now they finally got somewhat of a running game and
it's in the former Joe Mixon. I think he had
something to prove. So I don't think he has something
to prove if he's back in Cincinnati. That's just my
two cents.
Speaker 5 (20:55):
There you go.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
Yeah, so he's he's rolling the Do you have concerns
about CJ.
Speaker 5 (21:01):
Stroud?
Speaker 4 (21:02):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Yeah, two touchdowns in five weeks.
Speaker 5 (21:04):
Hell yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Now part of that is obviously the presence of Mixing,
so you're you're gonna you know, it's the yin and
the yang, and he doesn't run a ton, so it's
not like he's gonna with the exception of that game
against the Jets where he had the fifty nine yards,
he's not a guy that's gonna take off and call
his own number and certainly in and around the goal line.
And this is the good, the bad, the ugly when
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it comes to having a guy like Mixing on your
squad is that he does everything.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
So you're not.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Taking him off the field in short yardage. You're not
taking him off field and passing downs. He's a guy
that you can run and defenses have to try to
figure out exactly how you're gonna deploy him, which is great.
So you're not getting any of the rushing touchdowns that
you might you know, even goal line plunges you know,
brotherly shove like products. But yeah, so you're not even
(21:54):
getting those savers. So two in five weeks.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
Dan I gosh, the Stefan Diggs injury hurts, But again
there's something about you know him and tank down not
on the right page, Dalton Schultz that thought maybe Wou'd
be a little bit more of a factor. But there
is something going on. But thank goodness for Joe Mixon.
And you know the other mixing thing the speed that
he showed, you know, just on you know, on his
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first touchdown, on the separation. He knew that he had power,
but the ability to separate. And I did not see
the third touchdown because I had to give a three
year old the bath who didn't want to take a bath.
So if you think the Cowboys defense had their handful
hands full on Monday night, yeah, try my shoes.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Well, I mean you still have his zone. I mean
you still have a two on one advantage.
Speaker 5 (22:39):
Yes, that's true.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Well in theory, so did they had eleven on one
once he got to the open field. They couldn't catch him.
Joe Mixon, not your son, although I'm sure your son
in the open field is a handful. But yeah, for CJ. Stroud, like,
it's just questions we've been asking. I think along the
way right, the the up and down nature of the
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offense part of it, digs part of it. Dell, certainly
Nicocollins came out like a house of fire early in
the season, and then he was gone. So they've weathered
some some some storms. Talked about the offensive line and
beyond Caleb Williams, he's the most sacked quarterback in the league.
And this is where I always love the discussion and
(23:24):
trying to assess blame in the blame pie of quarterback
versus all right, coverages versus you know, the quarterback holding
on too long, right, we get the lot of it.
It's just well, the offensive line is terrible. It's like, well, yeah,
I think I think we've seen some play both for
he and for Williams going back to Chicago second. But
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then it becomes the alright, is he holding the ball
longer hoping for separation that isn't normally there because he
doesn't have digs, he doesn't have collins, Like the stuff
where he could do the timing and get it out
isn't there because it's second receivers that are trying to
fight through maybe a little bit of press up front
and all of those kind of things. So like that's
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securio and missing a couple of games of mixing certainly
doesn't help things. So like all of that to say concern,
and he's right now, nothing better than a QB two.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
Yeah, it's gonna be interesting to see them for the
rest of the way because they have a two game
leading the division. But they swept the Colts this year,
so that's already taken care of. So basically their lead
is three. You get to face you haven't played the
Titans yet, you get to play them twice down the stretch.
You still have another game against Jacksonville. You would assume
that those are wins said for the Chiefs Ravens games
(24:40):
that you have coming up. You also have another one
against the Dolphins, but that's your remaining schedule if you're
the Texans. So yeah, it's just kind of they have
their bike and they have one of the bis in
Week fourteen you know as well. But there's it'll be
interesting to see because I think that they've kind of
got things wrapped up and they're in a spot where
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you're not going to challenge for the top spot, so
it'll be interesting to see how they operate over these
finals six weeks.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Yeah, it is.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
It is fun though, right, You've got Tennessee next, then
at Jacksonville the bye week, and then you got the
Sandwich effect with Miami, Kansas City, Baltimore with Kansas City
on the road before a week eighteen that nobody uses
against Tennessee.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
Yeah sorry, And there by the way, they're in those
in that Christmas Game fours with the Chiefs, Ravens and Steelers,
or they're playing on the Saturday so they can play
on that Wednesday of Christmas Day. Curious if that's going
to have any effect or if that could cause injuries.
But for the NFL to make it work, they had
the smart of them to do it. I don't know
(25:42):
why they don't do it for other matchups as well,
but they're able to make it so that Chiefs game
is on a Saturday, and then they'll have the Ravens
on Christmas Day on that Wednesday.
Speaker 5 (25:50):
But who knows, who knows how important those games will be.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Yeah, I think CJ.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Stroud and all those guys pull an NBA move and
just say it's a Saturday game.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
We're not playing.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
Daniel Jones isn't playing. He's the third string now and
yeah a good run. He did have a good run.
Tommy DeVito is now the quarterback man. What's what's old
is new again? Deja vu? All over again. Any cliche
that you want. But now, what do we think of
the giants of the da Vido and Tracy and Malik,
(26:23):
neighbors and whatnot.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
I don't know how much of a downgrade it is
at this point, right in terms of what you're going
to get from Neighbors and what you're going to get
from Tracy. Maybe we get a little bit from the
secondary receivers that have been working with him, second, third team, whatever.
The fact that you bypass your number two quarterback is
kind of funny. But you know, I heard the argument
(26:48):
and saw it in the socials a lot of like
this would have saved it and you would have been
able to get Barkley.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
He's like, no, I was done.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Sure like that. That's that's not moving moving mountains at
the point. But give the fans what they want. They want,
Tommy Cutt, let's go go and get after it. I
don't think it substantively changes any of the fantasy fortunes.
Guys you were playing, You're still gonna play. Yeah, at
least from where I sit, like the erratic nature, while
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Jones doesn't. And I use this with Smith on Monday Night.
While while Jones doesn't have the egregious low lights of
what we've seen from Will Levis. The body of work
suggests if guys were performing with him under center, they'll
be just fine in his absence.
Speaker 4 (27:38):
Now, Executive producer Ian Roddy has a trade that someone
passed along to him that they wanted reviewed on the podcast.
Speaker 5 (27:47):
Is that correct?
Speaker 3 (27:48):
Yeah? Correct?
Speaker 6 (27:49):
So our coworker here at FSR shay, you could.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
Have just said, like Bill in Kansas City tweeted in,
but hey, that's all good.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
They in Kansas City, Well we'll keep two versions. So yeah,
Bill in Kansas City.
Speaker 6 (28:04):
He wanted to know if Cedric Tillman and Malik Neighbors
would be who he's getting and then Bucky Irving and
DK Metcalf would be who he's giving up. So what
do you guys think? I wasn't sure exactly how to respond,
but I feel like I personally lean towards the Bucky
Irving DK Metcalf side.
Speaker 5 (28:24):
Yeah, I'd rather have those two.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
What do you think, Mike?
Speaker 2 (28:28):
I look at it. I mean a lot of it
comes down to what's your depth, right, what's your depth
at running back? Because if you're losing Bucky Irving but
you have another plug in that's a fifteen touch a game. Guy.
I'm good with it because the two receivers coming back.
So long as James Winston stays upright, I mean, he's
gonna keep winging the ball. So Tilman has value even
(28:50):
with Elijah Moore there, who will talk about again in
a minute. And like I said, I yeah, Metcalf's better
than any of them. But I think if you need
help wide receiver wise, you know that double up is
not a terrible way to go.
Speaker 6 (29:09):
It just feels like Metcalf and Irving are just two
starters for you right there at different positions. Tillman, I'm
not sure I'm starting every week. Still kind of need
to see it from him. But again, it goes back
to roster and you're right, well, yeah, he didn't send
the rest of his roster, so it's.
Speaker 5 (29:25):
Hard to who's the best player on this deal.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
To me, it's Metcalf.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
Yeah, that's what I thought too, And so that you know,
so the package getting back, and I yeah, I think that.
I think that's the side that you lean on. So
Bill in Kansas City, I'd go with DK Metcalf and
Bucky Irving, not Shay.
Speaker 5 (29:48):
In the editing room, not at all, not.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
At all, No, I think not even at all.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
No, not I yeah, I just at this point and
trade deadline it's going to be coming up as well.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Yeah, so folks, you want to send those in. Fire
him in at Dan Byron, Fox at Ian Roddy, underscore
at Swollen Dome and uh, what did we have on
Blue Sky? You're at Dan Byer, Yes, I'm at Mike
Carmon and Ian will be at Ian Roddy. No underscore
unless that British guy heard the podcast.
Speaker 5 (30:19):
At some point.
Speaker 4 (30:20):
And by the way, Mike Ian survived in our Guillotine
League this week without playing a quarterback.
Speaker 6 (30:25):
Hung on for another week dead man Kyler murray on
by and never replaced him.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
Blasphemy to Jordan on his bench? Did you just completely
forget Ian that I.
Speaker 6 (30:38):
Put in a claim for Jordan Love earlier in the week,
But I thought that how guillotine works is if you'd
put it in after the initial waves, you don't get
them until the next week. So I think I kind
of treated it as a that was just what it
was going to be, like. I just didn't was I
like my quarterback quarterback, but my guys came through t Higgins,
huge game, Lad mcconkee, huge game.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
Oh the rest of my guys pulled their weight. So
I'm like, I said, I'm a dead man walking right now.
Speaker 6 (31:05):
I shouldn't shouldn't still be here in the Guillotine League,
but I am.
Speaker 5 (31:08):
Did you think I was actually mad at you?
Speaker 4 (31:10):
On Sunday night when I was talking Oh okay, good,
good good, I was like, I hope Ian doesn't think
I'm serious with all this. And then T Higgins comes
and saves the day. What do you know? Yeah, and
the lad Ladd had his work all right, Mike Rmon's
going to save your day with some waiver wire pickups
h plus a little bit of what is a Funky
(31:30):
Week twelve? Michael dive into that as well. This is
I want your flex welcome back. It is I want
your Flex. He's Mike Krmen, I'm Dan Byer. That is
Ian Roddy. The trade discussion even happened in the break
as we were breaking down the trade, the trade from
Bill in Kansas City. You know, the the whole point
(31:52):
about the best player, as I was saying, was DK
metcalf on this. Now it may not be in the future,
but I think it's right now, when you think about
your quarterback, Like we all love Molik Neighbors and what
he's done with the Giants, but when Tommy DeVito's your quarterback,
there's no way that you could put him above Dk
Metcalf right now.
Speaker 6 (32:10):
Just can't do it him or Daniel Jones at this point.
Isn't that like that was to Mike's point earlier in
the segment. Nothing we've seen from Daniel Jones has shown
that putting anyone else under center is going to you know,
provide worst really, But it's.
Speaker 4 (32:23):
The only thing that we do know is Daniel Jones
would just always throw it to Mylik Neighbors at least
we felt like at some point. Maybe not as much,
and Neighbors has been you know, in and out at
times as well, but at least we see what Geno
Smith can can do with the footballs we actually saw
against the forty nine ers on Sunday.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
So I didn't know where you were going to go
with your Gino as soon as you went down the
Gino Smith Highway there, Dan, I didn't know which, I
didn't know which part of the fork in the road
you were talking.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
I am, I am all about Geno Smith. I just
but I think he gets a lot of criticism in Seattle.
Well that because again, like people still look at him
as Geno Smith, and the people that want to do
that will point to the interceptions. He's not the first
person in the NFL to try to take on more
(33:12):
than you can chew, sure, you know, and he and
the line has been a mess this year at times.
Speaker 5 (33:19):
He does try to do a little bit more than
he should.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
But I'll tell you he can get the football to
the guys that need to get the football, and that
is as long as your offensive coordinator isn't holding you
back like Shane Waldron seemed to do last year.
Speaker 5 (33:32):
We saw what JSN does.
Speaker 4 (33:35):
He's had a great couple of weeks, and even DK
coming back from his knee injury. I think I think
Geno's the best quarterback, you know, by a long shot.
Speaker 5 (33:45):
Over those two.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
I just want to yell, G G.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
I'll tell you what, honestly this is. And I said
this on the air on Monday. The win that the
Seahawks had over the forty nine ers was I didn't
realize it at the time, but it broke a malaise
of about nine or ten years of just of the
Super Bowl hangover of the Pete Carroll era of trying
(34:14):
to run it back, and I get it, like I
like I. You know, they had they had a core
of a team, but once the interception was made at
the one yard line, it was over, like that was it.
Speaker 5 (34:25):
That was that was the end of it to be
able to make it back.
Speaker 4 (34:28):
They never got back to an NFC championship game after that,
and these last couple of years, as we've talked on
this podcast, you know, Mike, it just it just kind
of became the same old thing, and there was any
It wasn't anything new. I don't think this team is
particularly great, but for them to take a forty nine
ers team that has something bigger to play for, and
they've got their own problems that we'll get into on
the next podcast, but it was an actual win that
(34:52):
gave me a different feel or a feel that I
haven't felt in a long time.
Speaker 5 (34:56):
It may not matter in the end, maybe they.
Speaker 4 (34:58):
Don't make the playoffs, but it was like it felt
like the really first real important win of this new era.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
A huge win. Huge win sends ripple effects and and
for anybody looking at the the House of San Francisco.
You know, it's like siding was falling off. Owing to
our earlier conversation, Right, all of the off season stuff does.
Doesn't live in a vacuum, right, it does circle back.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
And you've had.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
A number of injuries, You've had a number of of
just personnel problems, and there seems to be a lot
of infighting and unrest and it's all coming to bear
because it's not as easy and now you potentially move
forward with Bosa being banged up on the on the
defensive side means you've got to find other people to
cover up. So all of it, you know, kind of
(35:49):
shuffles a bit, and offensively, you could see guys are frustrated.
Guys are frustrated, so the door is open to go
take it and now it's a it'll be a fun
battle down the stree retch for that division.
Speaker 6 (36:01):
It can't have helped either that Gino did the night
night celebration on the Niners fans, because sure those are
Warriors fans.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
It's the same fan base.
Speaker 4 (36:09):
Have that done on them, man, absolutely, I will say that.
And Tom Kim did it in the President's Cup. It's
not the same in golfer football as it is in basketball,
it has a has a different feel.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
What is the thought of it that counts? The thought
that counts?
Speaker 5 (36:27):
Yes, nice to be done all right?
Speaker 4 (36:30):
Week twelve is here before Mike gets to his waiver wire.
What's the first thing you thought of, Mike when you
saw the Week twelve slate stinks?
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Six teams on, six teams on bod. Yeah, most over
unders are floating at forty one or forty two, and
then you've got three or four games.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
That are on the high end.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
But like there's from a straight football watching perspective, there's
not a lot of attractive matchups this week. I think
your Seahawks are probably the final three games that are
on the board are probably the most interesting. Sure are
actually four because I'll grab the forty nine ers in
Green Bay, but Arizona, Seattle, Philadelphia Rams, and Baltimore Chargers,
(37:16):
like those games are great. The others all have their
their regionalism to them that'll get excited. But I mean,
we've got multiple games with double digit point spreads for
crying out loud.
Speaker 4 (37:25):
Yeah, and let's be honest, at Lanta, Buffalo and Cincinnati,
who are three of the six teams on buy do
have significant fantasy factors, and the Jets are on by
as well, so there's at least what you.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Guys, you would have been playing there, I know. Break Yeah, yeah,
you get to take the weekend off and go hang
out with family and friends and not have to watch that.
Speaker 4 (37:52):
Who do you like Waiver wire wise? Oh, by the way,
the replay of the Texans Cowboys game is happening now,
so Joe Mixon is celebrating on my on my screen
as record.
Speaker 5 (38:02):
Yes, as we record this podcast.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
So escalated quickly. I like that.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
I think they're going to pull this out. Who do
you like for Waiver Wire pickups? In Week twelve?
Speaker 2 (38:12):
All right, let's go to the quarterback physician first. We
still have at least a third of leagues depend no
matter where you play where bo Nicks is still floating around,
and you look at his numbers over the last six
seven weeks. When you add the twenty nine rushing yards
per game plus the touchdowns that he's given you on
the ground, everything's starting to click. Still always reticent and
(38:34):
the Sean Payton with a genius whatever. I'm not on
his payroll, so I don't have to say it, but
Bo Nick's playing good football. Right now you're looking at
Geno Smith owned in fifty percent of leagues, right, Still
a lot of opportunity. Even with all those weapons built,
folks have been reticent to climb on board Anthony Richardson.
It's the stash him. I don't know, Ian, you can
(38:59):
speak to it better watching and we watched the Jets
defense crumble since Salah left. But I wouldn't have expected
Richardson to be able to put up that kind of
performance even you know, a couple of weeks benching whatever.
He looked like a different guy.
Speaker 6 (39:13):
Yeah, he definitely did. But I don't know. The Jets
defense has been getting gashed all year, so they're so
quick to just fold and give up when things start
going downhill. So I want to see it again from
Richardson before I'm ready to actually feel good about him
starting in our fantasy lineup.
Speaker 5 (39:30):
Yeah, there's there's.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
There's there's one thing in like, you know, being being
gashed by Josh Allen and Russell Wilson, but now it's
been Kyler Murray even you know, those those things happen.
Speaker 5 (39:48):
But Anthony Richardson led a game winning drive. Yeah, like like.
Speaker 4 (39:52):
That's like the Jets had an opportunity to win, and
I bet you they felt that they were going to
win even when they had to, you know, punt it
away and get a stop, and then it just doesn't happen.
And it's like, oh, so this is how it gets worse. Yeah,
Like this is exactly.
Speaker 5 (40:07):
How it happened.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
They find ways to lose every week.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
Yeah, at this point, it's it's rostering, right, it's not
even Look, it's not all starters, it's roster. We get
down into running backs, wide outs, we play defense a
little bit because we're hitting that point of the season
as well. And I know, folks, and I think rightly so,
and I've certainly been an advocate for it. Benches are
getting smaller because they should be, right, we should be
(40:31):
able to go to the waiver wire in week twelve.
And I get it, some league shut it off in
and around the playoffs and whatever, but you should be
able to go to the waiver wire and find someone
who's at least serviceable, whereas historically it's I've stashed everybody,
and you go across twelve twelve team leagues, and now
with the advent of IR slots, it's a whole other mess, right,
(40:55):
because if you still have a deep bench and you
can have guys in your ir slot that May you
wouldn't elevate back to a starter, but you can hold
them hostage there. Like there's a lot of gamesmanship that
is allowed that I'm not a fan of. To a
tongue of Iloa as long as he's playing. He's got
New England this week, so there is a potential spot
(41:18):
starter for you there. Drake May has shown out a
little bit going on the other side against Miami. He's
virtually unowned, so there's all your quarterback plays go a
little bit deeper. We look at the running back advocated
for Trey Benson coming out of the bye week. Remember
he had a twelve touch eighty seven yard game before
the bye week. Rashawn Johnson. I think under the new regime,
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you're going to see a little bit more of him
and more balance in the force with Waldron gone Caleb Williams. Again,
it's a one game sample size, it's still in l
but there were things to take away from the way
the offense operated that there seemed to be some direction
in purpose, even if eber Flues overruled things at the
(42:02):
end to cost them a potential win, So I'll take that.
So Rashawn Johnson eleven carries forty one yards back to
his usual red zone goal line kind of performance. Talk
about a couple of wide receivers, Elijah Moore twenty nine
targets the last three weeks, westbrook A Keene five touchdowns
(42:25):
in his last six games. Like complete, but anyway, with
six teams on buys, the number of guys that are hurt.
You want to talk Boomer bus chaos, but for weekly fantasy,
let's go, Dan.
Speaker 5 (42:37):
What do they have? Two for one to seventeen? Here
you go.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
Fifteen catches twenty five yards, two hundred and fifty six yards.
Fifteen catches twenty five targets, two hundred and fifty six yards.
Quentin Johnston. Again, opportunities were there. Cincinnati, the corners made
a couple of really good plays to knock down balls
that we're just a whisper from being big time completions,
(43:03):
and Herbert becoming more and more confident putting the ball
out to him. Xavier Legette. Yeah, we're actually gonna recommend
a guy from Carolina, right, seventeen targets, eleven receptions his
last couple of outings so we got him with Tobby
Devido coming under center and play him at your own peril.
(43:24):
If you win a matchup with it, send me the roster.
But wander Wandel Robinson once again is potentially a guy
that we see as a dump off option as we go.
And then I'd be remiss if we didn't get a
couple of tight ends. And in Disley go back to
the charge thirty three targets over the last five weeks,
(43:44):
and then zach Ertz six catches, forty seven yards and
a touchdown against Philly. I know that game got away,
but over the last four weeks, twenty seven targets.
Speaker 3 (43:53):
All we can shoot for is opportunity.
Speaker 4 (43:54):
Gentlemen, Okay, I'm going to leave you with this. Do
you want to say anything about the Bears and eber
Flus anything more than anything else you want to get
off your chest?
Speaker 2 (44:04):
Well, we can do it here. We can do it
on the Wednesday episode two. Okay, because because really, you
guys can just go to sleep and I'll still be
talking when you wake up.
Speaker 4 (44:14):
Perfect, Because I have a real life analogy that I
think I can draw towards what we saw on Sunday.
Speaker 5 (44:23):
I kind of take this I will try to.
Speaker 4 (44:24):
I will try to and maybe we can work shop
it and see if it works. I really haven't thought
it through, but there's there was a little thought in there.
But we'll dive into it. So it's a perfect this
let's go perfect place to end. So we talked a
lot of cowboys, a little bit of Texans, a little
bit of giants, and then on the episode coming up,
(44:48):
Michael get his frustrations office chest about the Bears. We'll
dive more into the forty nine ers. Plus there's something
missing in the NFL in twenty twenty four, and Mike
Carmon's gonna talk you what that is. Well, we'll talk
about it then, Ian Roddy, before we let you go
streaming defenses this past week, you had three of them, Saints, Rams,
(45:11):
and Packers.
Speaker 5 (45:12):
How did it work out for you?
Speaker 6 (45:13):
Yeah, so we'll go and order worst to best. The
Saints were the worst. They only scored one point for you. Look,
it wasn't negative, so it's not as bad as it
could have been, but yeah, could have gone elsewhere and
gotten a little better. Packers four points again hoping for
a little better but not terrible, and the Rams had
eight points. That's you know, that's solid for a defense.
So yeah, I actually successful.
Speaker 4 (45:35):
I actually hit on my survivor. The Detroit one was
the obvious one. But I said, if you wanted a
play tech, go with the Saints over the Browns, and
they won that game. My points of paluza did not hit.
Texans kept up there under the bargain. The Cowboys did
not my Oasis songs talk Tonight Night game for Justin
Herbert and let them in rushing and almost three hundred
(45:55):
yards passing and a couple of touchdowns. So I'll take
that from the Chargers quarterback. Mike hit Joe Mixon earlier
on as his number one running back. Pooka Nicol was
a top guy. Jamar Chase was in your top five Mike. Yeah,
Jameis Winston, even in the loss, was one of your ninjas,
and Elijah Moore got into the end zone as well.
So it was a good week for Mike Carmen.
Speaker 2 (46:15):
Yeah, I'll take it. The bo Nicks, little Ah Jeahn,
Breisee Hall, Jared Goff at this point, is he like
just build a statue to him like pat Riley outside
Crypto dot Com. You know, I'll take the l on
the CJ. Stroud game, because this is one where I
really thought with Nico Collins they'd come in and feast,
(46:37):
and alast they led me astray and everything. Forty nine
ers leaves me scratching my head.
Speaker 4 (46:43):
Should have had a should have had a seventy seven
yard touchdown, but a lego man downfield just just burn
chef by the Houston.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
They really call that more these days, don't they. They
That one used to be is he It's kind of
like soccer off sides. Are they involved in the play?
Speaker 4 (46:59):
Well, they call it against everybody except the Chiefs. Just kidding,
Chiefs fans, just kidding. Billy Kansas City, Billy Kansas City,
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Speaker 4 (00:33):
All right, even if things are falling from the ceiling,
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You on the train?
Speaker 5 (01:01):
Okay, there it is.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
I have all of one follower and it's you know.
Speaker 5 (01:06):
Usual boy, Ian Ian. Are you on the on the
train yet?
Speaker 1 (01:10):
No?
Speaker 6 (01:10):
I haven't yet, but I know that I do need
to jump on the wave because like we talked about
on last week. So I need to get the Ian
Roddy before that British guy got.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
British.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
The great thing about the conversation last week was I
went into my search bar again and it said Ian Roddy,
and that guy's face was looking right at me. Because
that that's what we talked about. Is Ian said he
had his Twitter handle, not stolen from him, just somebody
got it first, but the British Ian Roddy. So you
may want to get on that, uh for for Blue
Sky before it takes over. All right, let's talk about
(01:43):
that Monday night affair. We don't have to spend a
ton of time on it, but we usually do it
here on this podcast. All I'm going to say this
about the Dallas Cowboys, and it has nothing to do
with their stadium. Already, got that out of the way.
I have Ceedee Lamb in a league. I have Ceede Lamb.
Speaker 5 (01:59):
We spent a hold over, and I think sometimes we
have holdovers.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
You have this relationship, you feel this special bond with
that player more so than other players on your team.
But even I was getting sick of Ceedee Lamb complaining
every time Cooper Rush didn't throw the ball to him,
and I just think or near him, or have it
in the right spot, and I just think it's so counterproductive.
(02:23):
I don't know what fantasy advice Mike we could give
with the Dallas Cowboys. I just thought it was a
bad look for a team that's got enough problems on
their hand. Making their backup quarterback look like he's even
more incompetent than what he has to deal with on
offense is a bad look for Ceedee Lamb, there's my
cowboy take.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
No, it's one hundred percent right, But what do we
always say? Squeaky wheel gets the grease whatever else and
targets you know, but that's shit, right, Still eight for
ninety three. He just didn't like the ones he didn't
get Dan, especially when Cooper Rush throws the ball fifty
five times, that means that's forty times he didn't throw
it towards CD and Anger even completed a four yard
(03:09):
nice catch. Nice tackle by Mechi by the way, hopefully
you know, if you have idp leagues, you make sure
you get that asterisk in that point for your tackle.
But all of that to say, yeah, it's it's the
frustrations just blowing and over I say, blowing over. And
it's kind of funny, be given the winds are being
blamed for the destruction of Jerry's palace. There high winds.
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They had a big storm early in the morning. So
whoever the hell then decided, Hey, let's open the roof
after all of that, what'd you think it was just
gonna be everything blew away?
Speaker 3 (03:41):
It's gonna be a nice.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Clear day, no problems, problems that you probably should have
checked your your ceiling and the mechanism and everything, you know,
routine maintenance every six months. But that being said, for
cd LAMB, target count's going to be there. Sonity. All
we can speak to I think here is opportunity. I
was talking to about this, you know, with another member
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that was on the checklist right for this week, Ricodowdell
as a potential sleeper after he got the dreaded vote
of confidence as the starter. Well, he still touched the
ball what twelve times? That's all I can That's all
I can say is you got twelve opportunities. Now, the
fact that he literally could have just fallen forward and
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achieved the same level of confidence that he did against
the Texans, I can't predict that but all I I
I can say is opportunity is gonna be there. As
per CD LAMB owners turn off the the post games.
Maybe maybe don't watch, Maybe don't watch, be like be
like a lot of gamblers. I like the lines I
did my algorithm. Here's what it spit out in terms
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of what I should bet and go do something else,
because otherwise you're gonna watch it, You're gonna be mad.
Speaker 5 (04:51):
I think.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
I think if here's someone like me and and you
have CD LAMB and you got eight for ninety three,
that's about what you can ask for. Because even getting
in the end zone right now, it's difficult for the
Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 5 (05:03):
The way that it is so like a.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
Statline like that isn't isn't shouldn't be frustrating for you.
But when I see Ceedee Lamb on every single pass
do something and it's not, it's that almost like whiny teenager,
it just looks very immature, like come on, or like
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we obviously see the passes five yards off the mark
or Cooper Rush was running for his life. I just
think it's a bad look. Smallest, smallest of the Cowboys problems.
By the way, I actually think the stadium deal, And
to your point, Mike, is more indicative and representative of
how the Cowboys actually are run and where you have
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this great, beautiful facility that Jerry Jones was just bragging
about a couple of weeks ago, and what do we have, Well,
we have people who can't see thee lamb can't see
because it's in the sun. Now you have tiles falling
from the roof, one that you really haven't opened in
the last what year, two two years?
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Yeah, the door's October thirtieth, so too.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
So you know here you decide to do that, and
it's like you see this beautiful what you think is
a palace, and then there's just problems everywhere. And that's
what I think the Dallas Cowboys are. You still have
the name brand, but when you even just start looking
on the surface, you see problems, and as you get
deeper in, there's more problems. And I think it's very
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representative of who the Dallas Cowboys are right now.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
One hundred percent eye on the prize facade. And when
it's printing money, you're not looking underneath the hood, right
If a business is still making money, you're not necessarily
going to look at where there are inefficiencies, where there's redundancy,
all of those things, unless you got to be truly
you know, responsive to shareholders whatever, and then and then
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maybe there's a whole other in But for Jerry Jones,
NFL continues to grow, his pockets continue to get lined.
People are showing up and paying money hand over fist.
I think the number of empty seats they had on
Monday night might also be something that will stick with
him as much as the point differentials and home losses
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or that you know, sad fluttering piece of metal that
looked like the damn thing from Forrest Gump. Dude, when
the feathers started flying out. Dude, you know all that.
So that that's where we're at for him, right because
in the post game he's being asked about point differentials,
home losses, home no shows, and he sounds like a sullen,
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beaten man. But then you're able to give him the
one two combination and come over the top about the
stadium falling apart. I mean, now you've just cut him
to the quick, because you know it just goes to
a pt Barnum like effect.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
I'm going to say this about the Dallas Cowboys, I'm
going to read you a list then we'll get some
Texans fantasy stuff in a second. Because i was watching
the game and I'm thinking about it, and I'm like, like,
how did it? How did it get this bad? Because
let's be honest, they struck it rich when they drafted
Dac when he did and then turned out to be
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the quarterback that he was. Whether you like him or not,
it was a successful draft pick. And so then I
started to think of, you know, the Cowboys. I saw,
you know, Zach Martin got hurt and he's been dealing
with injuries as of late, and he's no doubt on
the back end of his career. But I'm like, Zach
Martin was a really good pick by them in the
draft when.
Speaker 5 (08:37):
He was picked.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
So dating back to twenty ten, they took Dez Bryant
in the first round. That was a pick that worked out.
Tyron Smith was their first round pick in twenty eleven.
That worked out well. Claybourne, the corner from LSU, probably
didn't work out, but then you had Travis Frederick. I
think that worked out until his career was cut short.
Zach Martin that worked out. Byron Joe was great for them,
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and then he left for Miami via free agency. Ezekiel
Elliott was the twenty sixteen first round pick. Taco Charlton
was their first round pick out of Michigan in twenty
seventeen that didn't work out. Layton Vanderesh was their first
round pick in twenty eighteen, but that was mixed on
him because they gad potential but then injuries ended.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Up coming good years.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Yeah, right, I mean it wasn't a long flash, but yeah,
and he gave you some big moments.
Speaker 5 (09:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
I think they chared the pick to Oakland for Amari
Cooper in twenty nineteen, Ceedee Lamb in twenty twenty, Micah
Parsons in twenty twenty one, Tyler Smith in twenty twenty two,
Mayzee Smith last year hasn't been great and Tyler got Mike.
They've hit on a lot of these first round picks.
And I'm sitting there and that's over the last fourteen years.
And obviously des Bryant's not in the league anymore, and
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some of the names that I mentioned have moved on.
But they've hit on these picks, and for some reason,
they still haven't been able to build anything underneath it
or a R. But I couldn't even pick look at
the draft to be like, you know what, they've really
kind of messed this thing up, because they haven't. They've
They've probably had a better track record than all of
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our favorite teams. So it was just crazy to me
in thinking back at it.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
No, because it's interesting, right because even if you go
before Dak, you look at his predecessor, Romo was undrafted. Yeah,
for all that, all the hate and vitriol that he gets,
Like this guy was an undrafted player out of Eastern
Illinois and went on to the career that he did. So, like,
they've been able to find talent in spots, and that's
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the curiosity, right is the first round when we always
talk about, well, you may not win your fantasy league
in a first round, but you could lose it. Here
for the Cowboys, they've they've hit. I mean, how many
of those are you saying either as an incomplete or
a fail two? Yeah, I mean otherwise all of these
guys became pretty long term starters, and you could say
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stars then you decide, you know what grade star they are.
So no pun intended with the Dallas Star of course,
but the rest of the roster process for this year,
it was the all in and still was trying. We
were trying to parse that out in the off season.
How much of this would have been solved if you
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had a reasonable running back.
Speaker 5 (11:21):
Yeah, and that's no.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Disrespect to the guys that are battling and what they
were and the histories and everything else. Tony Pollard we've
used pejorative terms on air and certainly in the fantasy realm.
But he was functional, he was serviceable. He was better
than average. Right, one thousand yard rusher. Was it sexy? No,
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because again, to get to a thousand yards these days
means one thing, one very important thing. You were available, Yes,
and that was one thing that Tony Pollard gave you.
As a runner and a receiver, you could get your
twelve to fifteen touches and be reasonably assured of this
is going to give you some kind of balance. At
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this point, they've got nothing.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
I'll say this, Mike was on the Tony Poller train
way earlier than many people, and they got good years
out of him. And it wasn't until he you know,
snapped his ankle against the Niners in that playoff game.
That didn't seem like he really came back last year,
and I don't know if that had a I think
it had an effect on to be perfectly honest with you,
because he wasn't the same back last year, and it
allowed them to let him, you know, walk away then.
Speaker 5 (12:28):
This year and go to the Tennessee Titans. And he's
doing fine with the Titans.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
You know, maybe not as great as he was doing
with the Cowboys, but yeah, just there's.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
He's years ahead of whatever they've got now. Yeah, yeah, right,
I mean that's really all it comes down to.
Speaker 5 (12:41):
One hundred percent.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
So when they let Zeke go and then brought him
back two years later, it just did not make any
sense and had no one there to replace it. But
it just it's it's representative, like this team looks like
cosmetically and on the outside and it's all flash and
then you get into the to maybe the guts of
the team and it's it's just not there.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
And the curiosity for this game was until the the
big gaff, you know, and everybody like, hey, lineman, go down,
go down, you've got the ball. The Cowboys were in
this game. They were hanging around. Was it pretty No,
But they were hanging around curiosity for Turpin and how
he gets used obviously a lot of it on the big,
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big scoring play right eighty six yards of a score,
three receptions. The loss of Ferguson very early in the game.
I think he would have been in a bunch of
lineups today, usual backup quarterback kind of syndrome of let's
go find the tight end in safety valve. So schoonbacker
came in six fifty six for him. But yeah, it's
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it's tough sledding right now.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
I'll tell you what we had a we had a
scenario in my fantasy league, and this is the problem.
And now I understand it because for years I never
was in two leagues, and now I'm in two leagues,
and I can't remember what rules are for what league,
even though I feel like I've made the rules for
most of one league, because that's our twenty seven year league.
Speaker 5 (14:13):
The issues that I was, the issue.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
That I was gonna say was we had a guy
who was down like three point eight points and he
had Brandon Aubrey. So you make this sixty four yarder? Yeah,
I thought like and I thought in our league was
four points, but our site said only three. But anyway,
puts him within a point, and then you get the
penalty and the Cowboys take it off the board. They
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obviously go for it on fourth and two, wipe it out.
I wonder if there was anybody else who thought that
they won their game, because you know, Brandon Aubrey had
made that kick and then then had Mike McCarthy take
it away only to never give it back.
Speaker 6 (14:50):
Well, remember he also missed a kick earlier in the
game too, so that he missed was like a forty yarder, yeah,
something like that.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
But he hits a sixty four yard Well, the hell's
taking that off the board, and in a lot of
leagues that would have been six point four points. Sure
got as much as a lot of second running bags
are scoring in the lat I.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
Just was thinking to myself, man, because that's also the point.
And by the way, Mike McCarthy did make the right choice.
You have to take You can't you get a first
you get a fifteen yard penalty and a first down,
you're in a.
Speaker 5 (15:20):
In a ten point game, you think.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
You're I mean, honestly, then if it wasn't fourth and two,
because they got to fourth and two on like a
third and thirteen when they threw past the ceedee lamb
for ten yards or whatever. You probably still kick the
field goal in that scenario, but man to make the
kick and then have it taken off just to kicking
the nuts, just to kick in the nuts.
Speaker 5 (15:44):
All right, we need to take a time out.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
We haven't even talked about the Texans yet, so we
will because I think there is a bit of a
conversation there, sure so much more. He is Mike Carmon,
I'm Dan byer Ian, Roddy's here Texans, and yeah, some
week twelve craziness.
Speaker 5 (15:58):
That's next year, and I want your flax. It is
iy air flex.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
He's Mike Harmon, I'm Dan byer Ian Roddy's our executive producer.
Big news in the NFL on Monday coming from the Giants,
a quarterback change being made. We'll talk about that in
a second, but we were going to touch on the
Houston Texans, the Stefan Diggs less. But now you have
Nico Collins Houston Texans. Tank Dell's there, Robert Woods is there,
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Mechi's there. But maybe most importantly for CJ. Straud is
that Joe Mixon is there. Because the hat trick on
Monday night, Mike, and Joe Mixon seems like a whole
new football player with the Houston Texans.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
To one of the few things I'll take credit for
on the scorecard. He was number one at running back,
Yes he was, and he dominated.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
And you had Nico Collins at number one, and he
may have been somewhat close to that first touchdown was
not wiped off on the first play?
Speaker 2 (16:52):
You do mean when they had two hundred and fifty
yards of offense to score seven points. No, obviously I exaggerate,
but yes, it's curious, right, So Joe Mixon having his time.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
We know the cost to bring him there was minuscule.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
We were talking about draft evaluations, trades, all those kind
of things, just you know, a bucket of balls, more
or less. And now you look at the year, he's
having touchdowns every time he hits the field. In this one,
I don't know if you stayed and watched till the end, Dan,
with four minutes left, he was doing a meet and
greet in the end zone, literally shaking hands, taking selfies.
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There's still about three minutes fifty seconds on the clock
after his third touchdown run. So all of that to say,
a guy obviously having a lot of fun. Contrasts that
to his former team and that long slow walk and
the thousand yard stare of Joe Burrow after that loss
to the Chargers. You want to talk about everything going
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and coming up roses for Joe Mixon right now, He's
just been fantastic. And that's with questions about the offensive line.
You know what a great running back can make all
of those disappear real fast.
Speaker 6 (18:07):
You know, With how close the Bengals games have been,
I wonder if Joe Mixon would would honestly make the
difference for them this year.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
But that's the thing, right, I mean, McPherson kicks.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
It's interesting, what do we have four.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Different instances of close games where he's had an issue
and while they've had pretty good success with their run
game and Brown's a player, I think we can all
agree to that. Yeah, would that margin be different if
old Joe Mixon. I keep wanting to call Mojo Nixon,
but that's a music act, and you know I'll send
folks down that rabble another time.
Speaker 5 (18:38):
I'm gonna say no.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
The reason being is, do you know how many in
since you posed the question, do you know how many
one hundred yard games Jill Mixon had with the Bengals last.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
Year, he had did he have any?
Speaker 4 (18:53):
He had one one? It was the final week of
the season against Cleveland in a game that for the
Bengals didn't matter, they weren't going to the playoffs, and
he ends up with fourteen carries one hundred and eleven yards,
you know when over the Cleveland Browns, who didn't care
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about the game either. So the maybe I can't remember
the playoffs Innreio with the Bengals obviously didn't make the
playoffs last year. Point being is he had won this
year with the Houston Texans. I think it's been every
game but about two, and I know he was dinged
up for a couple of them, but I mean it's
he's a different guy, and I actually think that number one,
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it's the team. And yet in the games that he's played,
he's only he has not gone over one hundred yards twice.
It was against the Lions, had forty six yards and
then against Mike yar Bears in Week two, but he
also got hurt in that game.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
But even in that game against Detroit, still finished with
ninety total yards. Yeah, well for two catches forty four
yards and scored. So he's scored in every game except
the Bears. That's when they heard him early in that game.
Remember the hip drop tackle that took him down. Yeah,
so there you go. That's how you stopped Joe Mixon
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in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
So my point is is, I think that him not
going back to Cincinnati, and it felt like that was
kind of destined to happen anyway when he was there
last year, that his stay wasn't going to be long,
and so maybe there's a bit of a resurgence. I
think Cincinnati, he's still got some problems of their own.
Maybe it would it takes some a load off that
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defense because they've got nothing this year in Cincinnati on
that side of the ball. But I just the Texans
have been searching for a guy for so long and
now they finally got somewhat of a running game and
it's in the former Joe Mixon. I think he had
something to prove. So I don't think he has something
to prove if he's back in Cincinnati. That's just my
two cents.
Speaker 5 (20:55):
There you go.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
Yeah, so he's he's rolling the Do you have concerns
about CJ.
Speaker 5 (21:01):
Stroud?
Speaker 4 (21:02):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Yeah, two touchdowns in five weeks.
Speaker 5 (21:04):
Hell yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Now part of that is obviously the presence of Mixing,
so you're you're gonna you know, it's the yin and
the yang, and he doesn't run a ton, so it's
not like he's gonna with the exception of that game
against the Jets where he had the fifty nine yards,
he's not a guy that's gonna take off and call
his own number and certainly in and around the goal line.
And this is the good, the bad, the ugly when
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it comes to having a guy like Mixing on your
squad is that he does everything.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
So you're not.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Taking him off the field in short yardage. You're not
taking him off field and passing downs. He's a guy
that you can run and defenses have to try to
figure out exactly how you're gonna deploy him, which is great.
So you're not getting any of the rushing touchdowns that
you might you know, even goal line plunges you know,
brotherly shove like products. But yeah, so you're not even
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getting those savers. So two in five weeks.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
Dan I gosh, the Stefan Diggs injury hurts, But again
there's something about you know him and tank down not
on the right page, Dalton Schultz that thought maybe Wou'd
be a little bit more of a factor. But there
is something going on. But thank goodness for Joe Mixon.
And you know the other mixing thing the speed that
he showed, you know, just on you know, on his
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first touchdown, on the separation. He knew that he had power,
but the ability to separate. And I did not see
the third touchdown because I had to give a three
year old the bath who didn't want to take a bath.
So if you think the Cowboys defense had their handful
hands full on Monday night, yeah, try my shoes.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Well, I mean you still have his zone. I mean
you still have a two on one advantage.
Speaker 5 (22:39):
Yes, that's true.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Well in theory, so did they had eleven on one
once he got to the open field. They couldn't catch him.
Joe Mixon, not your son, although I'm sure your son
in the open field is a handful. But yeah, for CJ. Stroud, like,
it's just questions we've been asking. I think along the
way right, the the up and down nature of the
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offense part of it, digs part of it. Dell, certainly
Nicocollins came out like a house of fire early in
the season, and then he was gone. So they've weathered
some some some storms. Talked about the offensive line and
beyond Caleb Williams, he's the most sacked quarterback in the league.
And this is where I always love the discussion and
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trying to assess blame in the blame pie of quarterback
versus all right, coverages versus you know, the quarterback holding
on too long, right, we get the lot of it.
It's just well, the offensive line is terrible. It's like, well, yeah,
I think I think we've seen some play both for
he and for Williams going back to Chicago second. But
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then it becomes the alright, is he holding the ball
longer hoping for separation that isn't normally there because he
doesn't have digs, he doesn't have collins, Like the stuff
where he could do the timing and get it out
isn't there because it's second receivers that are trying to
fight through maybe a little bit of press up front
and all of those kind of things. So like that's
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securio and missing a couple of games of mixing certainly
doesn't help things. So like all of that to say concern,
and he's right now, nothing better than a QB two.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
Yeah, it's gonna be interesting to see them for the
rest of the way because they have a two game
leading the division. But they swept the Colts this year,
so that's already taken care of. So basically their lead
is three. You get to face you haven't played the
Titans yet, you get to play them twice down the stretch.
You still have another game against Jacksonville. You would assume
that those are wins said for the Chiefs Ravens games
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that you have coming up. You also have another one
against the Dolphins, but that's your remaining schedule if you're
the Texans. So yeah, it's just kind of they have
their bike and they have one of the bis in
Week fourteen you know as well. But there's it'll be
interesting to see because I think that they've kind of
got things wrapped up and they're in a spot where
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you're not going to challenge for the top spot, so
it'll be interesting to see how they operate over these
finals six weeks.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Yeah, it is.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
It is fun though, right, You've got Tennessee next, then
at Jacksonville the bye week, and then you got the
Sandwich effect with Miami, Kansas City, Baltimore with Kansas City
on the road before a week eighteen that nobody uses
against Tennessee.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
Yeah sorry, And there by the way, they're in those
in that Christmas Game fours with the Chiefs, Ravens and Steelers,
or they're playing on the Saturday so they can play
on that Wednesday of Christmas Day. Curious if that's going
to have any effect or if that could cause injuries.
But for the NFL to make it work, they had
the smart of them to do it. I don't know
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why they don't do it for other matchups as well,
but they're able to make it so that Chiefs game
is on a Saturday, and then they'll have the Ravens
on Christmas Day on that Wednesday.
Speaker 5 (25:50):
But who knows, who knows how important those games will be.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Yeah, I think CJ.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Stroud and all those guys pull an NBA move and
just say it's a Saturday game.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
We're not playing.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
Daniel Jones isn't playing. He's the third string now and
yeah a good run. He did have a good run.
Tommy DeVito is now the quarterback man. What's what's old
is new again? Deja vu? All over again. Any cliche
that you want. But now, what do we think of
the giants of the da Vido and Tracy and Malik,
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neighbors and whatnot.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
I don't know how much of a downgrade it is
at this point, right in terms of what you're going
to get from Neighbors and what you're going to get
from Tracy. Maybe we get a little bit from the
secondary receivers that have been working with him, second, third team, whatever.
The fact that you bypass your number two quarterback is
kind of funny. But you know, I heard the argument
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and saw it in the socials a lot of like
this would have saved it and you would have been
able to get Barkley.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
He's like, no, I was done.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Sure like that. That's that's not moving moving mountains at
the point. But give the fans what they want. They want,
Tommy Cutt, let's go go and get after it. I
don't think it substantively changes any of the fantasy fortunes.
Guys you were playing, You're still gonna play. Yeah, at
least from where I sit, like the erratic nature, while
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Jones doesn't. And I use this with Smith on Monday Night.
While while Jones doesn't have the egregious low lights of
what we've seen from Will Levis. The body of work
suggests if guys were performing with him under center, they'll
be just fine in his absence.
Speaker 4 (27:38):
Now, Executive producer Ian Roddy has a trade that someone
passed along to him that they wanted reviewed on the podcast.
Speaker 5 (27:47):
Is that correct?
Speaker 3 (27:48):
Yeah? Correct?
Speaker 6 (27:49):
So our coworker here at FSR shay, you could.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
Have just said, like Bill in Kansas City tweeted in,
but hey, that's all good.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
They in Kansas City, Well we'll keep two versions. So yeah,
Bill in Kansas City.
Speaker 6 (28:04):
He wanted to know if Cedric Tillman and Malik Neighbors
would be who he's getting and then Bucky Irving and
DK Metcalf would be who he's giving up. So what
do you guys think? I wasn't sure exactly how to respond,
but I feel like I personally lean towards the Bucky
Irving DK Metcalf side.
Speaker 5 (28:24):
Yeah, I'd rather have those two.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
What do you think, Mike?
Speaker 2 (28:28):
I look at it. I mean a lot of it
comes down to what's your depth, right, what's your depth
at running back? Because if you're losing Bucky Irving but
you have another plug in that's a fifteen touch a game. Guy.
I'm good with it because the two receivers coming back.
So long as James Winston stays upright, I mean, he's
gonna keep winging the ball. So Tilman has value even
(28:50):
with Elijah Moore there, who will talk about again in
a minute. And like I said, I yeah, Metcalf's better
than any of them. But I think if you need
help wide receiver wise, you know that double up is
not a terrible way to go.
Speaker 6 (29:09):
It just feels like Metcalf and Irving are just two
starters for you right there at different positions. Tillman, I'm
not sure I'm starting every week. Still kind of need
to see it from him. But again, it goes back
to roster and you're right, well, yeah, he didn't send
the rest of his roster, so it's.
Speaker 5 (29:25):
Hard to who's the best player on this deal.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
To me, it's Metcalf.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
Yeah, that's what I thought too, And so that you know,
so the package getting back, and I yeah, I think that.
I think that's the side that you lean on. So
Bill in Kansas City, I'd go with DK Metcalf and
Bucky Irving, not Shay.
Speaker 5 (29:48):
In the editing room, not at all, not.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
At all, No, I think not even at all.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
No, not I yeah, I just at this point and
trade deadline it's going to be coming up as well.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Yeah, so folks, you want to send those in. Fire
him in at Dan Byron, Fox at Ian Roddy, underscore
at Swollen Dome and uh, what did we have on
Blue Sky? You're at Dan Byer, Yes, I'm at Mike
Carmon and Ian will be at Ian Roddy. No underscore
unless that British guy heard the podcast.
Speaker 5 (30:19):
At some point.
Speaker 4 (30:20):
And by the way, Mike Ian survived in our Guillotine
League this week without playing a quarterback.
Speaker 6 (30:25):
Hung on for another week dead man Kyler murray on
by and never replaced him.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
Blasphemy to Jordan on his bench? Did you just completely
forget Ian that I.
Speaker 6 (30:38):
Put in a claim for Jordan Love earlier in the week,
But I thought that how guillotine works is if you'd
put it in after the initial waves, you don't get
them until the next week. So I think I kind
of treated it as a that was just what it
was going to be, like. I just didn't was I
like my quarterback quarterback, but my guys came through t Higgins,
huge game, Lad mcconkee, huge game.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
Oh the rest of my guys pulled their weight. So
I'm like, I said, I'm a dead man walking right now.
Speaker 6 (31:05):
I shouldn't shouldn't still be here in the Guillotine League,
but I am.
Speaker 5 (31:08):
Did you think I was actually mad at you?
Speaker 4 (31:10):
On Sunday night when I was talking Oh okay, good,
good good, I was like, I hope Ian doesn't think
I'm serious with all this. And then T Higgins comes
and saves the day. What do you know? Yeah, and
the lad Ladd had his work all right, Mike Rmon's
going to save your day with some waiver wire pickups
h plus a little bit of what is a Funky
(31:30):
Week twelve? Michael dive into that as well. This is
I want your flex welcome back. It is I want
your Flex. He's Mike Krmen, I'm Dan Byer. That is
Ian Roddy. The trade discussion even happened in the break
as we were breaking down the trade, the trade from
Bill in Kansas City. You know, the the whole point
(31:52):
about the best player, as I was saying, was DK
metcalf on this. Now it may not be in the future,
but I think it's right now, when you think about
your quarterback, Like we all love Molik Neighbors and what
he's done with the Giants, but when Tommy DeVito's your quarterback,
there's no way that you could put him above Dk
Metcalf right now.
Speaker 6 (32:10):
Just can't do it him or Daniel Jones at this point.
Isn't that like that was to Mike's point earlier in
the segment. Nothing we've seen from Daniel Jones has shown
that putting anyone else under center is going to you know,
provide worst really, But it's.
Speaker 4 (32:23):
The only thing that we do know is Daniel Jones
would just always throw it to Mylik Neighbors at least
we felt like at some point. Maybe not as much,
and Neighbors has been you know, in and out at
times as well, but at least we see what Geno
Smith can can do with the footballs we actually saw
against the forty nine ers on Sunday.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
So I didn't know where you were going to go
with your Gino as soon as you went down the
Gino Smith Highway there, Dan, I didn't know which, I
didn't know which part of the fork in the road
you were talking.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
I am, I am all about Geno Smith. I just
but I think he gets a lot of criticism in Seattle.
Well that because again, like people still look at him
as Geno Smith, and the people that want to do
that will point to the interceptions. He's not the first
person in the NFL to try to take on more
(33:12):
than you can chew, sure, you know, and he and
the line has been a mess this year at times.
Speaker 5 (33:19):
He does try to do a little bit more than
he should.
Speaker 4 (33:22):
But I'll tell you he can get the football to
the guys that need to get the football, and that
is as long as your offensive coordinator isn't holding you
back like Shane Waldron seemed to do last year.
Speaker 5 (33:32):
We saw what JSN does.
Speaker 4 (33:35):
He's had a great couple of weeks, and even DK
coming back from his knee injury. I think I think
Geno's the best quarterback, you know, by a long shot.
Speaker 5 (33:45):
Over those two.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
I just want to yell, G G.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
I'll tell you what, honestly this is. And I said
this on the air on Monday. The win that the
Seahawks had over the forty nine ers was I didn't
realize it at the time, but it broke a malaise
of about nine or ten years of just of the
Super Bowl hangover of the Pete Carroll era of trying
(34:14):
to run it back, and I get it, like I
like I. You know, they had they had a core
of a team, but once the interception was made at
the one yard line, it was over, like that was it.
Speaker 5 (34:25):
That was that was the end of it to be
able to make it back.
Speaker 4 (34:28):
They never got back to an NFC championship game after that,
and these last couple of years, as we've talked on
this podcast, you know, Mike, it just it just kind
of became the same old thing, and there was any
It wasn't anything new. I don't think this team is
particularly great, but for them to take a forty nine
ers team that has something bigger to play for, and
they've got their own problems that we'll get into on
the next podcast, but it was an actual win that
(34:52):
gave me a different feel or a feel that I
haven't felt in a long time.
Speaker 5 (34:56):
It may not matter in the end, maybe they.
Speaker 4 (34:58):
Don't make the playoffs, but it was like it felt
like the really first real important win of this new era.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
A huge win. Huge win sends ripple effects and and
for anybody looking at the the House of San Francisco.
You know, it's like siding was falling off. Owing to
our earlier conversation, Right, all of the off season stuff does.
Doesn't live in a vacuum, right, it does circle back.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
And you've had.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
A number of injuries, You've had a number of of
just personnel problems, and there seems to be a lot
of infighting and unrest and it's all coming to bear
because it's not as easy and now you potentially move
forward with Bosa being banged up on the on the
defensive side means you've got to find other people to
cover up. So all of it, you know, kind of
(35:49):
shuffles a bit, and offensively, you could see guys are frustrated.
Guys are frustrated, so the door is open to go
take it and now it's a it'll be a fun
battle down the stree retch for that division.
Speaker 6 (36:01):
It can't have helped either that Gino did the night
night celebration on the Niners fans, because sure those are
Warriors fans.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
It's the same fan base.
Speaker 4 (36:09):
Have that done on them, man, absolutely, I will say that.
And Tom Kim did it in the President's Cup. It's
not the same in golfer football as it is in basketball,
it has a has a different feel.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
What is the thought of it that counts? The thought
that counts?
Speaker 5 (36:27):
Yes, nice to be done all right?
Speaker 4 (36:30):
Week twelve is here before Mike gets to his waiver wire.
What's the first thing you thought of, Mike when you
saw the Week twelve slate stinks?
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Six teams on, six teams on bod. Yeah, most over
unders are floating at forty one or forty two, and
then you've got three or four games.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
That are on the high end.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
But like there's from a straight football watching perspective, there's
not a lot of attractive matchups this week. I think
your Seahawks are probably the final three games that are
on the board are probably the most interesting. Sure are
actually four because I'll grab the forty nine ers in
Green Bay, but Arizona, Seattle, Philadelphia Rams, and Baltimore Chargers,
(37:16):
like those games are great. The others all have their
their regionalism to them that'll get excited. But I mean,
we've got multiple games with double digit point spreads for
crying out loud.
Speaker 4 (37:25):
Yeah, and let's be honest, at Lanta, Buffalo and Cincinnati,
who are three of the six teams on buy do
have significant fantasy factors, and the Jets are on by
as well, so there's at least what you.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Guys, you would have been playing there, I know. Break Yeah, yeah,
you get to take the weekend off and go hang
out with family and friends and not have to watch that.
Speaker 4 (37:52):
Who do you like Waiver wire wise? Oh, by the way,
the replay of the Texans Cowboys game is happening now,
so Joe Mixon is celebrating on my on my screen
as record.
Speaker 5 (38:02):
Yes, as we record this podcast.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
So escalated quickly. I like that.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
I think they're going to pull this out. Who do
you like for Waiver Wire pickups? In Week twelve?
Speaker 2 (38:12):
All right, let's go to the quarterback physician first. We
still have at least a third of leagues depend no
matter where you play where bo Nicks is still floating around,
and you look at his numbers over the last six
seven weeks. When you add the twenty nine rushing yards
per game plus the touchdowns that he's given you on
the ground, everything's starting to click. Still always reticent and
(38:34):
the Sean Payton with a genius whatever. I'm not on
his payroll, so I don't have to say it, but
Bo Nick's playing good football. Right now you're looking at
Geno Smith owned in fifty percent of leagues, right, Still
a lot of opportunity. Even with all those weapons built,
folks have been reticent to climb on board Anthony Richardson.
It's the stash him. I don't know, Ian, you can
(38:59):
speak to it better watching and we watched the Jets
defense crumble since Salah left. But I wouldn't have expected
Richardson to be able to put up that kind of
performance even you know, a couple of weeks benching whatever.
He looked like a different guy.
Speaker 6 (39:13):
Yeah, he definitely did. But I don't know. The Jets
defense has been getting gashed all year, so they're so
quick to just fold and give up when things start
going downhill. So I want to see it again from
Richardson before I'm ready to actually feel good about him
starting in our fantasy lineup.
Speaker 5 (39:30):
Yeah, there's there's.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
There's there's one thing in like, you know, being being
gashed by Josh Allen and Russell Wilson, but now it's
been Kyler Murray even you know, those those things happen.
Speaker 5 (39:48):
But Anthony Richardson led a game winning drive. Yeah, like like.
Speaker 4 (39:52):
That's like the Jets had an opportunity to win, and
I bet you they felt that they were going to
win even when they had to, you know, punt it
away and get a stop, and then it just doesn't happen.
And it's like, oh, so this is how it gets worse. Yeah,
Like this is exactly.
Speaker 5 (40:07):
How it happened.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
They find ways to lose every week.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
Yeah, at this point, it's it's rostering, right, it's not
even Look, it's not all starters, it's roster. We get
down into running backs, wide outs, we play defense a
little bit because we're hitting that point of the season
as well. And I know, folks, and I think rightly so,
and I've certainly been an advocate for it. Benches are
getting smaller because they should be, right, we should be
(40:31):
able to go to the waiver wire in week twelve.
And I get it, some league shut it off in
and around the playoffs and whatever, but you should be
able to go to the waiver wire and find someone
who's at least serviceable, whereas historically it's I've stashed everybody,
and you go across twelve twelve team leagues, and now
with the advent of IR slots, it's a whole other mess, right,
(40:55):
because if you still have a deep bench and you
can have guys in your ir slot that May you
wouldn't elevate back to a starter, but you can hold
them hostage there. Like there's a lot of gamesmanship that
is allowed that I'm not a fan of. To a
tongue of Iloa as long as he's playing. He's got
New England this week, so there is a potential spot
(41:18):
starter for you there. Drake May has shown out a
little bit going on the other side against Miami. He's
virtually unowned, so there's all your quarterback plays go a
little bit deeper. We look at the running back advocated
for Trey Benson coming out of the bye week. Remember
he had a twelve touch eighty seven yard game before
the bye week. Rashawn Johnson. I think under the new regime,
(41:41):
you're going to see a little bit more of him
and more balance in the force with Waldron gone Caleb Williams. Again,
it's a one game sample size, it's still in l
but there were things to take away from the way
the offense operated that there seemed to be some direction
in purpose, even if eber Flues overruled things at the
(42:02):
end to cost them a potential win, So I'll take that.
So Rashawn Johnson eleven carries forty one yards back to
his usual red zone goal line kind of performance. Talk
about a couple of wide receivers, Elijah Moore twenty nine
targets the last three weeks, westbrook A Keene five touchdowns
(42:25):
in his last six games. Like complete, but anyway, with
six teams on buys, the number of guys that are hurt.
You want to talk Boomer bus chaos, but for weekly fantasy,
let's go, Dan.
Speaker 5 (42:37):
What do they have? Two for one to seventeen? Here
you go.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
Fifteen catches twenty five yards, two hundred and fifty six yards.
Fifteen catches twenty five targets, two hundred and fifty six yards.
Quentin Johnston. Again, opportunities were there. Cincinnati, the corners made
a couple of really good plays to knock down balls
that we're just a whisper from being big time completions,
(43:03):
and Herbert becoming more and more confident putting the ball
out to him. Xavier Legette. Yeah, we're actually gonna recommend
a guy from Carolina, right, seventeen targets, eleven receptions his
last couple of outings so we got him with Tobby
Devido coming under center and play him at your own peril.
(43:24):
If you win a matchup with it, send me the roster.
But wander Wandel Robinson once again is potentially a guy
that we see as a dump off option as we go.
And then I'd be remiss if we didn't get a
couple of tight ends. And in Disley go back to
the charge thirty three targets over the last five weeks,
(43:44):
and then zach Ertz six catches, forty seven yards and
a touchdown against Philly. I know that game got away,
but over the last four weeks, twenty seven targets.
Speaker 3 (43:53):
All we can shoot for is opportunity.
Speaker 4 (43:54):
Gentlemen, Okay, I'm going to leave you with this. Do
you want to say anything about the Bears and eber
Flus anything more than anything else you want to get
off your chest?
Speaker 2 (44:04):
Well, we can do it here. We can do it
on the Wednesday episode two. Okay, because because really, you
guys can just go to sleep and I'll still be
talking when you wake up.
Speaker 4 (44:14):
Perfect, Because I have a real life analogy that I
think I can draw towards what we saw on Sunday.
Speaker 5 (44:23):
I kind of take this I will try to.
Speaker 4 (44:24):
I will try to and maybe we can work shop
it and see if it works. I really haven't thought
it through, but there's there was a little thought in there.
But we'll dive into it. So it's a perfect this
let's go perfect place to end. So we talked a
lot of cowboys, a little bit of Texans, a little
bit of giants, and then on the episode coming up,
(44:48):
Michael get his frustrations office chest about the Bears. We'll
dive more into the forty nine ers. Plus there's something
missing in the NFL in twenty twenty four, and Mike
Carmon's gonna talk you what that is. Well, we'll talk
about it then, Ian Roddy, before we let you go
streaming defenses this past week, you had three of them, Saints, Rams,
(45:11):
and Packers.
Speaker 5 (45:12):
How did it work out for you?
Speaker 6 (45:13):
Yeah, so we'll go and order worst to best. The
Saints were the worst. They only scored one point for you. Look,
it wasn't negative, so it's not as bad as it
could have been, but yeah, could have gone elsewhere and
gotten a little better. Packers four points again hoping for
a little better but not terrible, and the Rams had
eight points. That's you know, that's solid for a defense.
So yeah, I actually successful.
Speaker 4 (45:35):
I actually hit on my survivor. The Detroit one was
the obvious one. But I said, if you wanted a
play tech, go with the Saints over the Browns, and
they won that game. My points of paluza did not hit.
Texans kept up there under the bargain. The Cowboys did
not my Oasis songs talk Tonight Night game for Justin
Herbert and let them in rushing and almost three hundred
(45:55):
yards passing and a couple of touchdowns. So I'll take
that from the Chargers quarterback. Mike hit Joe Mixon earlier
on as his number one running back. Pooka Nicol was
a top guy. Jamar Chase was in your top five Mike. Yeah,
Jameis Winston, even in the loss, was one of your ninjas,
and Elijah Moore got into the end zone as well.
So it was a good week for Mike Carmen.
Speaker 2 (46:15):
Yeah, I'll take it. The bo Nicks, little Ah Jeahn,
Breisee Hall, Jared Goff at this point, is he like
just build a statue to him like pat Riley outside
Crypto dot Com. You know, I'll take the l on
the CJ. Stroud game, because this is one where I
really thought with Nico Collins they'd come in and feast,
(46:37):
and alast they led me astray and everything. Forty nine
ers leaves me scratching my head.
Speaker 4 (46:43):
Should have had a should have had a seventy seven
yard touchdown, but a lego man downfield just just burn
chef by the Houston.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
They really call that more these days, don't they. They
That one used to be is he It's kind of
like soccer off sides. Are they involved in the play?
Speaker 4 (46:59):
Well, they call it against everybody except the Chiefs. Just kidding,
Chiefs fans, just kidding. Billy Kansas City, Billy Kansas City,
please don't write us and be man all right for
Hermike Carmen and Ian Roddy, I'm Dan Byer. We cannot
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