November 26, 2024 • 44 mins
It's Fox Sports Radio's official fantasy football podcast! Dan Beyer and Mike Harmon open the show with a discussion on the "Harbowl" Monday Night Football Game between the Ravens and Chargers! Why is Dan mad at Justice Hill? Why can't Quentin Johnston catch? Later, the guys hit on the rest of the week's matchups, going through the studs and duds from each. Is Saquon the league MVP? They also get into a discussion based around one simple question: how many teams can actually win the Super Bowl? Plus, with fantasy playoffs on the horizon, Mike shares his hot waiver wire adds of the week!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Ond here's Dan Bayer and Mike Harmon.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Welcome in. It is I Want Your Flex, a Thanksgiving
week edition.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
He is Mike Harmon, I'm Dan Byer. Ian Roddy is
here as well. We start with the end of Week twelve,
which Mike officially marks the two thirds points of our
NFL season. Now, there are still some buys to come
up in Week fourteen, and once we.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Get past those then we are good to go.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
However, two thirds of the way in of the season,
we are now hitting the home stretch, not only for
the regular season, but also for fantasy football.
Speaker 5 (01:02):
Yeah, it was an interesting start to the game, right,
we get the sledgehammer effect of what the Chargers are
trying to lay down. Let's get the brothers in the backyard.
Let's backyard wrestling and a great drive with the Herber touchdown,
and it's like, all right, JK. Dobbins, he's going to
have himself a day. Alas he goes out with injury,
Gus Edwards can barely fall forward and now we have
(01:22):
ourselves a problem. Eventually, the Ravens offense too much. Edwards
did find the end zone. So if you did a
desperation playoff the bye weeks and injuries, or maybe you
listen to this dope, you at least got a touchdown
out of the deal. But otherwise, I mean, we watched
Lamar Jackson. That forty yard touchdown pass still seems silly
(01:44):
to me. You're gonna interfere with a guy for fifteen
yards plus, get called for it, and you don't even
get a play on the ball, nor do you knock
him on his ass stop him from catching a touchdown.
Great throw, great play, Bateman two for forty three in
a score, Andrews with a great touchdown on a bullet pass.
I don't know if the referee thought the end zone
(02:04):
was equivalent to the Purdue end zone and sidelines from
a couple of weeks ago where dude was standing out
of bounds.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
That was weird.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
He was pretty definitive in saying that it was incomplete,
and I'm like, wait what.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
Yeah, yeah, and even then he was still well in
bounds inside of the coloration there. But yeah, just kind
of a curiosity that a couple of moments right you
had the big would be past interference call that they
eventually waved off. And I thought that was a good,
good not call, which might have set the Chargers up
in business to at least make it interesting down the stretch.
But Herbert two eighteen nothing through the air, took four sacks,
(02:41):
but did get that early rushing touchdown to at least
give you something. But you know, a miss and a
huge spot against what had been a woeful Ravens defense,
and you had no Roquan Smith, so a guy who's
a disruptor and a stopper. And again the injury to
Dobbins think sets things apart. But more of the same
(03:03):
from dere Derek Henry, another one hundred and forty yard performance.
Even though you didn't find the end zone, you still
got some love from him. And then Lamar won seventy
seven eight world beating but rushing touchdown and two throwing. Yeah,
you'll spike all day on a Chargers team because like
he was on my cold sores of I don't know
what I'm getting because we talked about it, right, Dan,
(03:24):
I mean, what are the Chargers right? All statistics say this,
but the schedule says this. So rubber meets the road
and the Ravens came out put up thirty on them.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
That's the funny thing is Lamar does end up having
a nice Fantasy week because of the touchdowns that he got,
but honestly, across the board, it really wasn't great for everyone.
Like even if you have Dereck Henry, you're like, but
he didn't get into the end zone. You know, he
had one hundred and forty yards on the ground. So
you can't sit there and complain about that. But I
(03:54):
know the people who are complaining are the ones that thought, like, yeah,
I believe in Quentin Johnston.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Now I am I believe right?
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Five targets, Oh nothing.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Zilch a goose egg? Yeah tough. I mean JK.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
Dobbins leaves with the knee injury, and that isn't even
the worst of it for the Chargers because Johnston just
dropping that third down pass like he did, where he
could have he could have got all the points you
needed that night on that one play, it wasn't able
to do it.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Yeah, it's just to be the story of his life.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
So yeah, that's true.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
And Justice Hill comes in and eliminates me from our
Guillotine League at Fox Sports Radeo, but just as ends
up having the one carry and the one touchdown run
but was from fifty one yards out, so you know,
he almost matches the numbers of Derrick Henry just because
of that run and getting into the end zone. So yeah, real,
real funky knight in what was a night where we
had fifty three points scored between two teams. But that's
(04:48):
what you get with the Ravens, I think.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
But that's the curiosity right of the the big you know,
thirty thousand foot view when you take it back out,
you know, bridging fantasy and reality of of this win,
what it means and going forward for the Chargers, they
were starting to get a little bit chesty and they
got some fan support. I mean we didn't have the
audio on obviously doing the show. Carrie Rhodes in for
(05:12):
Jason Smith as we're watching the second half, but you know,
coming into the studio and pre show seemed like we
actually have a pretty good contingent of Charger fans, which
was interesting. I mean, like starting to see a little
bit of swell, whether it was the effectiveness of the
billboards of Jim Harbaugh or just people willing to buy
in to what he's cooking, you know, at least, or
(05:35):
they're pumping in a lot of sound, which is always potential,
but it's the idea that you at least our creating
a little bit of a home environment, which we know
for years going back to the soccer stadium and everything
was not exactly the best of circumstances. So either way,
it still comes out with a loss, and for fantasy purposes,
(05:56):
left a lot of us wanting even as you said, Dan,
with the fifty three points scored.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
Yeah, this is this is a little if I'm holding
Chargers stock and we'll get to the NFL teams and
overall stock.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
By the way, I'm sorry about the Justice Soll thing.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
That's it's okay. I watched it.
Speaker 5 (06:16):
I watched it happen in real time because Moncey was
working with us on the show.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
Everybody's telling me Moncey's jumping up and down, and it
just adds more salt in my wound.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
You know. Like I even texted her.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
I was like no, and She's like yes, I was
loving it, you know because you know.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
And I just hope she loses next week. That's all.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
No, Yeah, let's go.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
I'm not bitter at all. I'm not childish at all. No,
but the the whole Chargers scheme of things. If the
Dobbins injury is more significant than maybe we fear, you know,
than than what it looked like. If him at least
walking off, I mean he doesn't return in the second half,
that is that is a big blow to people in fantasy.
(06:58):
You mentioned Gus Edwards not being much of a filler
with that, Quinton Johnston with the o fur and now
I'm like, okay, you know what value you're going to get.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
From Justin Herbert. The goodness they have the Falcons next week.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
You know, there's that, so you would hope you'd be
able to at least move the football there. But yeah,
some serious questions with the Chargers now with the fantasy
wise moving forward, outside of Ladd McConkie, I don't know
who you can seriously consider in getting consistent fantasy production from.
If Dobbins is hurt and Johnston's going to play like that.
Speaker 5 (07:31):
I guess the threshold is the question at tight end
because Will Disley is going to give you several receptions
a game. Sure, just a matter of whether you know
four to night four for forty seven he had four targets?
Is eight to eight point seven getting you to where
you need to be and at the tight end position, yeah,
(07:52):
you'll take the eight point seven most of the most
weeks in bank it right. Red zone would be nice,
but let's call it what it is. At this point
week thirteen, we're hopeful for guys that are going to
start and finish games and where you at least can
point to a target share because it's a mess like
(08:13):
team to team like that. Even some of the contenders
and I use contenders in quotes because you know, we
have to talk. It's like the old whiteboard we'd have
Dan in the studio where it was like, all right,
the NBA season starting, who do we got. Well, on
this side, it's the Warriors, and over here we got oh,
it's the Cavaliers. You got to put more names up. Okay, yeah,
(08:35):
you know it's it's that kind of thing. And I
think the NFL, I don't think we're very far from
that this year.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
No, No, And we'll dive into that coming up here
in just a bit, because I'm curious on it's almost
of the who's who and the who's not, And I
don't think we're going to disagree on much when you're
looking at at the grand scheme of things from you know,
two thirds of the way of the season in. I mean,
there's just if there's even even just with the Chargers
(09:02):
on Monday Night, there are people believed in the Rams
as a possible team to sneak up in the NFC West.
That's not happening. And you have a bunch of teams
in the NFC that are just like that team. Curious
on your thoughts of Saquon Barkley just since we're talking
about SOFI Stadium games at night, sure and where I
mean that performance for as great as it was, like
(09:24):
the totals were great, Like that's what you get when
you have like two seventy yard runs, you know.
Speaker 5 (09:28):
What I mean, like kil Barry Sanders effect, Yeah, negative one,
negative one four zero zero minus three seventy five.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
T Yeah, yeah, Like that's it's just kind of it
happens like that, so but truly amazing.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
I mean, he won me a.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
Game in a league that I needed to win, so
I'm not complaining at all. But I mean, heck, he's
the one that's figured out a way to straighten out
Nick Sirianni, he and Kellen Moore. It's pretty crazy.
Speaker 5 (09:57):
Well, in the end of feed the ball into the guys, gut,
good things are gonna happen behind that offensive line. I
thought they did a really good job in the broadcast
of really highlighting what the offensive line did, which I
don't know that they do enough of a job of
celebrating guys on the offensive line as opposed to circling
a guy when something goes bad. Sure, right, this sack, well,
(10:20):
I'm gonna blame him because not that the quarterback held
the ball too long, not that he spun back into traffic. No,
the offensive lineman here. So we do that. But with
the Eagles in the Sunday night game, I think they
did a really good job of highlighting all right, here's
the block, you know, five yards down the line of
scrimmage that ends up giving him the lane for I
forget which of the seventy yarders but the point just
(10:43):
being that, you know, they got their flowers a little
more and they're the key to anything they want to
do there, which is why all the arguments about ah
if he was still in with the Giants, like he
would have what he would have fallen forward because Andrew
Thomas is gone and the rest of that line stakes.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
Yeah, this is this is.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
This is the funny thing about stuff like this, like
it truly happens because it's Sunday night football and we
get this in the NBA the whole time.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
None of this is.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
New news, and you see people coming out and being like, well,
Saquon wouldn't have done anything with the Giants. Yeah, you're
exactly right, You're one hundred percent correct, and they're correct.
And the fact of that's also what Joe Shane was
saying last year in paying Saquon Barkley, do you pay
him the thirteen million dollars or do you try to
(11:35):
figure out a way to maybe make things better around
Daniel Jones, Because if you have Daniel Jones and you
have Saquon Barkley for the amount that you know they
were willing to pay him, they weren't going to be
able to do the things that they wanted to do
on the offensive line. So the Giants would have just
been who they are now in hindsight twenty twenty. Giants
are a mess anyway. You talked about Andrew Thomas not
(11:55):
being there a huge piece of it. But that's the
reason why Joe Shane didn't sign Saquon Barkley because he
knew Saquon Barkley wouldn't be Saquon Barkley not sucks for them.
Then he went to Philadelphia, But the Giants would have
been no better. And the only thing that would have
been different is maybe Philadelphia isn't this prolific right now,
But yeah, the Giants would have stunk anyway.
Speaker 5 (12:14):
Yeah, but I mean we'd seen the Eagles roll through
guys right by committee before and have success. Now we
watched it all burned around while Sirianni played a fiddle. Maybe,
but the idea of being that, you know, with the Giants,
what do we always we always talk about the NFL,
you bet on your quarterback. They decided Dable Jones year
(12:35):
two is going to work, and then it wasn't great
and he got hurt. But go back and look at
who the receivers were running out. They were the guys
they drafted six years prior who hadn't broken through. Yeah,
or everybody else was hurt this year, you actually get
a guy in neighbors and now he's someone's had to
sit him down and tell him what tanking really means.
After his quotes following that no show effort this week
(12:58):
when he got no targets in the first half, Hey, like,
I know you want to win it all, but here's
the thing. You're too good, so we can't throw you
the foot. Like that's the hard reality that he's at.
But yeah, to your point, like, what in terms of
wins for the Giants, what would Saquon Barkley have been worth?
Speaker 6 (13:21):
Do you guys buy the MVP talks then? With that
being the case, because people.
Speaker 5 (13:24):
Are built that bandwagon a while ago, Smith and I
talked about that first, probably a month ago, just saying,
well why.
Speaker 7 (13:31):
Not now it's a mainstream conversation now he went six
to one.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
Yeah, and I was I was more on the Derrick
Henry train. It would be the same group think basically
for a running back taking that team to the next level.
But so yeah, so to that point, Ian, I do
buy it having that sort of game on National TV.
Just I mean, it's just it's then it goes spreads
(13:57):
like wildfire. It's the one thing if he does that
at a one o'clock Eastern time kickoff, that's only you know,
to Philadelphia on parts of the East Coast, and if
they're playing the Falcons, it goes to the state of Georgia.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
You know, that's one thing.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
This everybody is seeing it, and everybody's seeing it in
full display, and everybody can see the Giants hard knocks thing.
So so you take all those pieces together. But yeah,
I'll say this because Mike. You know, Mike mentioned this,
and I swear I said it on this podcast before
and it may have said it on the air. But
Mike's point about the other running backs they had, Yeah,
(14:33):
they had DeAndre Swift, they had Miles Sanders, they had
other guys, Sirianni still wouldn't you know, commit to the run.
So I kind of Gamewell and Boston Scott were getting
these runs and and Jalen Hurts is running the football
and they just they weren't that that complete of a
football team, and you needed someone with the I think
with the stature of Saquon Barkley to be like, because
(14:55):
you're crazy to not give him the ball. Yeah, absolutely,
freakish athlete, you're gonna give him the football. And I
also give credit to Kellen Moore, And in a way,
I give credit to Nick Siriani because Nick Sirianni's job
is on the line, and so you're kind of putting
it in the hands of Kellen Moore and Vic Fangio
to get your two units squared away after you lost
(15:17):
your coordinators two years ago after the Super Bowl run
and now it's working out. But he was on his back,
was against the wall. He kind of had uh, no
way to go but allow these people to come in.
And I guess kudos to that because it's worked with
Kellen Moore and say Kwan Barkley on the offensive side.
Speaker 5 (15:34):
Let guys do their jobs as were and look, Jalen hurts.
There's plenty of discussions about him and whatever else. He
still gets fed because his beneficiary of all the brotherly shoves, push, push,
whatever term you want to use on it. But the
fact that you know, he's got to sublimate his ego
to a degree because he doesn't get to wing them
(15:54):
all around a lot. So there's a little bit of that,
like it's requiring a delicate balunce, lots of stuff and
thus far, Look, winning cures all ills, and all you
need is a two game losing streak and it all
burns down in Philly.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
We know that, so you might get take it.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
You're in on the talk, as he said, just you're
in your game for Sakwan Barkley being the MVP.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Yere in consideration. Sure.
Speaker 5 (16:19):
Yeah, and I like your Henry thing too, Like I
just a question of whether you know his was just
too early, but it at least opened the door to
a conversation. Yeah, because I think too often it's just
all right, here's the quarterback. I feel bad that Josh
Allen has gotten kind of pushed to the side in
this whole thing. Right, We've talked a lot about Lamar
(16:39):
Jackson coming into tonight. It's like, well, if Justin Herbert wins,
look how efficient he's been and the balance that they've established,
not that his numbers are overly gaudy, but if they
bait the Ravens in a Monday night standalone game, baut Brothers,
Horriball get over whatever, and he has one or two
big plays, then maybe you've got something there, like you
try to open the conversation, but Derreck Henry at least
(17:02):
opened the door to like, all right, and I hope
for people that actually vote on this damn thing, Like
that's the thing that you know is the biggest is remembering, yes,
you have the crutch of the offensive player of the year,
but let's let's recognize we're great. Is great, and Saquon
Barkley and Derreck Henry to this point, like for all
(17:22):
the love the Christian McCaffrey got, and again, it doesn't
translate to MVP votes. Again, it's stupid, right, It's like
it's almost like there's the invisible ink in the the
orders that you get. By the way, you have to
only vote for a quarterback.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
Well, you know, Dereck Henry has two thousand yards in
a season and Aaron Rodgers wins the end, No, right,
you know it kind of this is the and I
almost feel hypocritical in saying this, and I obviously don't
have an MVP vote, but it's almost like Derrick Henry
and Saquon Barklay needed to go on to other teams
with great quarterbacks and to show their worth. But it's
really the opposite. It should have been the opposite, where like, Okay,
(18:01):
if you're carrying Tennessee to you know, through that sort
of season, maybe you should get a little bit more
love than you know that you than you are getting
right now.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Right.
Speaker 5 (18:13):
Yeah, you had the fact that you had to go
to an already good team and make them consistently great.
And again both still, I mean, Baltimore, Still, what's the
what do we do in January?
Speaker 3 (18:24):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
Yeah, And I go, I'm just going to take the
last word on Saquon here. I Ian I believe that
you you believe Saquon is an MVP candidate as well?
Speaker 6 (18:32):
Yeah, I'd give it to Lamar, but I at least
think it's worth entertaining him in the conversation for sure.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
Yeah, it's totally fine. There was this is my last
word on it. There was also no guarantee that Sequon
was going to stay healthy. Sure, And that's the other
thing in this when you look at the history and
what the Giants had to deal with there is there
were seasons of injuries to deal with, and so to
think that he's doing what he's doing now and is
(18:59):
doing it full healthy is something that I think that
the Giants were skeptical on and I honestly I wouldn't
blame them. All right, let's take the time out. He's
Mike Carmen, I'm Dan Byer. Ian Roddy's the executive producer.
So how many teams do legitimately have a shot at
winning Super Bowl? Fifty nine? Will whittle that number down?
Next here, and I want your flex hit Mike up
(19:20):
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can find me at dan Byer on Fox on X
or Dan Byer on Blue Sky.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Ian, how's Blue Sky going for you?
Speaker 7 (19:30):
How's a bad?
Speaker 6 (19:30):
Interrupt you and say before you ask, I have not
made a Blue Sky.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
I want to know, all right, but you can find
a minute.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
Now.
Speaker 5 (19:37):
Though we know Ian Roddy's taken, is there much motivation
to it? You know what, he's been demotivated. He's a
member of the New York Giants.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Hey, it happens that's the third team.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
Yeah, I'll about that. That's a whole other story for
another day. Let let's dive into this. We're doing a
little bit of a twist on a Thanksgiving week. How
many teams legitimately do you think can win the Super Bowl. Uh,
my number is six, Mike. How many do you have?
Speaker 2 (20:07):
I have five?
Speaker 3 (20:10):
Five? Ian? How many do you have?
Speaker 6 (20:12):
I only have two. Yeah, I think there's only two
teams that could win the Super Bowl as of right now.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
All right, let's start out with your two teams to
win the Super Bowl.
Speaker 6 (20:22):
Well, the first one is I feel like it's got
to be on everyone's list. The Detroit LIONSKA. Yeah, they're
just an absolute wagon. No one can even come close
to beating them in recent weeks. So I think that's
pretty self explanatory. The defense has been on a tear.
The offense is the offense. You know, Ben Johnson has
been a top head coaching candidate every year for a
good reason. And yeah, they're they're they's just a total
(20:43):
wagon right now. And then the other teams, the Philadelphia Eagles,
and it might be prisoner of the moment stuff, just
coming off that huge win over the Chargers, but.
Speaker 7 (20:52):
Yeah, not the Chargers. The why am I blanking something?
Of course?
Speaker 6 (20:58):
So seeing that, yeah, it's those two teams to me
right now, there's just such a big gap between them
and everyone else. So I can't comfortably say that anyone
else can win the Shoal if they're not on the
level of those two teams.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
Okay, that's that's that's fair enough, Mike. Are those two
teams on your list of five, because they are on
my list of six as well.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Yeah, so those are my NFC.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
Yeah, here's my little worry about Detroit right now. Are
they peaking too soon? Sure, that's just my my only concern.
And with a lot of football yet to be get
to be played, they do have stuff to play for.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
These games are gonna matter. Things are gonna happen.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
They've got to not only do they have to fend
off the Eagles for the number one overall seed the division,
by no means is a given right now, and there
could still be a situation where as crazy as it sounds,
and as dominant as they have been, they are two
or three bad weeks away from being a team that's
not going to play any home games during the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
The fun looking at our good friends at Tankathon.
Speaker 5 (22:03):
The rest of their schedule right worst schedule as in
the hardest schedule Bears doesn't matter, and their easiest opponent
on their schedule of the six left is the forty
nine ers. Oh yeah, there you go in New England second,
Cleveland third, and this is where it gets fun. Minnesota
(22:24):
is fourth. You've got the Lions, Packers, Cardinals, Falcons, Seahawks,
and Bears.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Fifth is San Francisco.
Speaker 5 (22:37):
Trying to figure out what they are at this morent
They've got three on the tough side, three on the
easy side, and then you've got Detroit and green Bay
are six and seven in terms of these rankings, with
winning percentages for Detroit of five ninety one and green
Bay five seventy six remaining.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
The Lions do have games in hand on green Bay
and Minnesota, but they also have to play those teams
you know, still down the stretch, and so that also
adds to their winning percentage and those again, and that's
the two to three game stretch that I talk about
with the Lions. For as great as things are right now,
it's not a given. And if you start to falter,
(23:19):
then only do you lose your place on top in
your momentum, you're losing the division, you're losing home field,
and next thing you know, you're in a wild card
in a funky bracket. In the NFC, Eagles not as
much because the Commanders lost this past weekend, there still
would be a fight for it. But yeah, I think
that the Lions. That would be the one thing to
(23:40):
worry me about the Lions.
Speaker 5 (23:41):
Yeah, I picked the Eagles before the season, so I'm
hopeful that I'm proving to get something right this year.
Did you have any other NFC teams in your bracket there, Dan, I.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
Did, okay? One? Okay, green Bay?
Speaker 5 (23:54):
You got green Bay? Okay, Yeah, they were in that
next tier. Trying to decide for me between in Minnesota
as how much I believe in them.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
You want to know why I put green Bay there?
Speaker 4 (24:04):
The reason I put Green Bays Jordan Love has got
an interception problem, but what Josh Jacobs was able to
do this past week against San Francisco, I think bodes
really well offensively, and Christian Watson just catched the football.
I know Dobbs is dinged up. That hurts. But I
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feel like Green Bay is the team that you don't
want to see come to town, and we saw what
happened last year. They go to Dallas and do the thing.
I almost think that they would relish that role and
be better suited around at this time. Maybe a couple
of questions on their defense, but they've also had Xavier
McKinney has been one of the best free agent signings
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in all of football for them, So I'm still putting
Green Bay in that list of NFC teams.
Speaker 5 (24:51):
Yeah, the love interception problem problem you allude to is
the one that because it's the same thing I keep
waiting to happen in Minnesota because I like Minnesota a lot.
But I'm sitting there going, do I really think Sam
Darnold's getting to the promised Land?
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (25:05):
Right, Like it's just that kind of thing, and it's
not I have no animosity towards the man. I just
look at it going, it's a fun story. And at
this point we're in week thirteen, still hasn't fallen off
the rail. Steady as they go, and you know, if
Addison becomes a more consistent threat, who knows.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Yeah, I've missed Judd.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
Right when I started believing in the Vikings, they faltered,
so then I sold my stock and not only keep
winning games like they did against your Bears this past weekend.
So I just don't think they consistently can consistently do that.
I believe in Jordan Love more than Sam Dark.
Speaker 5 (25:41):
Yeah, there's only so many times you're going to be
able to ebor flu somebody.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
All right, Ian didn't have any AFC teams, Mike, I'm
guessing that's where your three come from.
Speaker 5 (25:49):
Yeah, I've got three there. We've got obviously to be
the man. You gotta beat the man in Kansas City.
Until you execute them, they're hanging around to crush you.
I picked the Bills before the season, still alive. I
had a Buffalo Philadelphia super Bowl and damn it, I
still hold out hope. And then third, I've got the
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Ravens and just that defense leaves me with great pause
from time to time. But as long as Roquan Smith's out,
not out for a long period of time, because the
fact that he missed the Monday night football against the Chargers,
missed that game leaves me a little concerned that this
might be a bigger issue because this was a pretty
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big spot for both teams, I thought, even with the
Steelers having lost to the Browns on Thursday Night football.
But you know, he's a guy that's so instrumental. What
do you have one hundred and ten tackles and a
bunch for laws and whatever all of those things. So
his health certainly pair him out, but right now they
would be the third team into that mix. Wondering if,
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based on our prior conversation, Henry's good enough to get
them over.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
Yeah, those are my three.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
And do you have any problem even though they weren't
in your top two with any of those teams under
consideration to be added to your your final two.
Speaker 6 (27:07):
They're all in consideration because they're they're good teams, you know, So, yeah,
none of them are totally elimited. I just feel like
the fact that there's in my mind, there's such a
big gap between the Lions and the and the Eagles,
and I just.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Like that he just said blank the AFC.
Speaker 6 (27:22):
That's right, Yeah, exactly, But no, we're picking the top
like who I actually think has a legitimate chance, And
I don't think any AFC team has a legitimate chance
of beating either of those teams as things look right now.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
So I think when you're Kansas City, you they get
the benefit of the doubt that any game that they're
in you think they can win.
Speaker 7 (27:41):
It's true.
Speaker 6 (27:42):
I just when you look at each of these different teams,
like Kansas City, like Green Bay, there's just always one
little thing that you can point to, you know, like
Green Bay, like they don't really have a number one
superstar receiver that you can point to. The Ravens, like
Mike said, the defense is a little concerning. There's just
little things with these teams that you can point to,
whereas with the Lions and Eagles. To me, there's just
no weakness.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
Yeah, I will there's a weakness, but it's just not
showing itself fair I would say, yeah, that's the Chief's
biggest margin. The largest margin of victor this year is
thirteen points in a game against the Saints that I
think they may have scored late. Maybe I'm wrong about it,
but their only other double digit win was against San
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Francisco this year. So with all of those wins and
then needing the last second game again, that last second
kick against the Panthers, you know, one of the league's worst,
just as you questioning, you know how things are playing out.
So they beat the Saints comfortably. There wasn't a late
touchdown to make it thirteen the double check. But I
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get the concern about the Chiefs. The reason why I
put the Chiefs in there is actually the reason why
I didn't put the Steelers in is every time I
look at Kansas City and if I were to put
them up against any of the teams, I think they
could win. I don't think I can do that with Pitch.
I think what they've done so far this year could
warrant it. But I just don't see them going through
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this gauntlet of teams in the AFC and being able
to come out unscathed. Like at some point offensively, I
think it's going to catch up with them, and that's
why I was reluctant to put Pittsburgh.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
On this list.
Speaker 5 (29:18):
Yeah, curiosity for me going back to Detroit being one
of the main pieces to it all. You brought up
the idea of peaking to early.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Dan.
Speaker 5 (29:27):
The thing for me is we haven't seen them in
a close game in a long time. I mean, we
had the Houston game. I guess that's the outlier in
the last since their bye week, Right, they beat the
Seahawks forty two twenty nine, go to their bye week,
come out throttle Dallas and roll through Wedn's Dan Campbell
going to Dan Campbell again because we had it with
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Baltimore today or I should say Monday night for those listening,
Tuesday Wednesday, whenever is recording obviously after the game when
John Harbaugh went for it on his own six team, right,
no guts, no glory. Okay, they go down and they
score ninety three yard touchdown drive. That was the forty
yard touchdown pass to Bateman. He doesn't get that. The
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hell's that game look like? Right again, gutsy crazy. It's
almost like the spirit of Brandon Staley inhabited him for
a moment. Yeah, but you know, it's those kind of things.
And you know that's been the one question of Campbell.
As great and as much as you may love the
gutsy you know, hey, take no prisoners, bite kneecaps kind
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of thing. Last year man, I didn't have any issue
with it. It's like, that's who you decided you are.
You can be consistent and just execute. And you know
they had the place made if the guy actually catches
the ball. But but you know, wondering if that doesn't
go asunder again in a big spot against the Green
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Bay or against one of the r other playoff competitors.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
When it's all said and done.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
The Bills are in an interesting spot because they've got
a interesting slew of games with the Niners coming up
and then the Rams and Lions, and then you have
your Patriots Jets Patriots sandwich to end to end the year.
That's some delicious AFC East meat right there. But again
we talked about it. There are four games up on
the Dolphins with the sweep, so basically they're five games
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up and you do want bigger fish to fry. They
have a win over Kansas That will win over Kansas City,
which really helps if you can get some help elsewhere
to stay motivated. But if the Bills drop one of
these three games here and you're sitting there hoping for
Kansas City to end up falling along the way, I
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just don't know what Buffalo's going to have to play
for the final three weeks of the season. Like it's
you know, I just it's it's almost then you're having
a month to figure out a way to stay motivated.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
I just wonder how you handle that. It.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
Plus, I don't think they're great, Like I don't. I
would if Baltimore played at Buffalo. I would take Baltimore
in that game. And I'm sure it's recency buys and
seeing what they did tonight against the Chargers, but yeah,
I would, And I'll tell you what. I don't know
if I would have put the Texans in this group
three weeks ago, but they definitely are not there now
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and they not under consideration at all.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
Three weeks ago. I maybe would have thought about it,
but not in this group.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Yeah, the old monkey song was I'm a believer. I was.
I was a disbeliever. I was walking through the other door.
Speaker 5 (32:34):
I always thought the offensive line would come back to
bite them.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
Yeah, it was good last year. It's not this year.
I don't know what the deal is, but.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
Yeah, and as we talked about, right, it's the I'd
love to sit down with the panel esteam panel of
former quarterbacks and offensive linemen and just say, all right,
let's go to the blame pie and decide what percentages
on Stroud holding the ball too long or the defensive
line slash running back not chipping or taking care of it.
Speaker 4 (33:06):
Yeah it is, Yeah, he hasn't necessarily looked the same Stroud.
It has at times. Right, sometimes I think it's pressing
to do too much. And we've seen that happens in
young quarterbacks. Maybe a Jordan love thing. But yeah, yeah,
it's just it's not the ingredients aren't there for Houston.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
This year.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
Maybe in the upcoming years, but not there for twenty
twenty four into twenty twenty five. All right, he is
Mike Carmen, that's Ian Roddy. I'm Dan Beyer. Now we're
going to get to your Week thirteen. Interesting week, by
the way for the pod. Because of the Thanksgiving Holiday,
our episode that's going to come out on Wednesday will
actually be our usual Friday episode with rankings and Mike's
hot plays and cold soares and the whole deal. So
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just two episodes this week just because of the Thanksgiving holiday.
But hey, then we get to talk about Thanksgiving games.
Are there any waiver wire pickups from those Turkey games
coming up on Thursday? Or the Black Friday game between
the Raiders and Jeeves. We'll talk about a next tier
and I Want your Flex Welcome back to I Want
Your Flex hit Mike up at Swollen Dome and Mike
Carmon on Blue Sky. I'm at Dan Byer on Fox
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on X and Dan Byer on Blue Skuy. Ian Roddy
is here only on X at Ian Roddy Underscore scoreboard
time Before we get to Mike's waiver Wire pickups, Guys,
as much as I loved my points of Palooza turning
out to be the Titans and Dexans. I couldn't have
been more wrong about my survivor pick. I was just saying,
don't pick the Dolphins. That was the only thing I
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was saying. I wasn't saying to pick the Patriots. I
was just saying, don't pick Miami as your survivor pick
this week. And it failed miserably. My Oasis song some
might say, some might say Anthony Richardson didn't have any talent.
Those people would be wrong. But I'll tell you what,
Anthony Richardson also had no touchdowns on Sunday.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
So that was a fail for me. Guys missed out
on that one.
Speaker 5 (34:55):
Mixed bag for me. Quarterback position seems to be where
I've found some great success most of the year. Week twelve,
we had our highlights, for sure. We we pointed out
some of the the lows along the way, certainly in
terms of what we were able to accomplish.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
Yeah, up there at number two eight in the end zone. Again,
he was your number one.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
He just keeps finding the end zone.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
Yeah he does, he absolutely does.
Speaker 5 (35:26):
So I'll take those little victories along the way. But yeah,
I mean, look, we got our touchdown from Gus Edwards
as a ninja, just thinking that we'd have a smash down,
you know, smash situation of those two teams just trying
to beat each other up, brotherly love as it were.
But yeah, it's just just a weird week once again,
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like every week, it would come wringing our hands going wow,
that played to form. Like you guys were talking about,
you know, some of your fantasy finishes for this week
and said, like Josh Jacobs was a got three touchdowns
and a twenty eight point performance.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
I got that wrong. I'll share that one.
Speaker 5 (36:06):
Tony Pollard finishing as the fifth running back. No, didn't
see it. Thought they'd win the game, but didn't think
it was gonna be him getting it done. Yeah, I
went upset minded and picked. So I think it bled
down to the fantasy realm in terms of some of
the way things played out.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
Well, our only saving grace is Ian Roddy streaming defenses here.
You going, how did your defense is do in week twelve?
Speaker 6 (36:32):
Yes, so we had one that was very good and
one that was it was okay. So I came to
you guys with the Bucks and the Commanders as the
two streaming defenses last week, We'll start with the Commanders,
who finished with four points.
Speaker 7 (36:43):
So you know that was okay, not a failure of
now what.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
You were hoping though against Cooper Rush.
Speaker 7 (36:48):
No, definitely not.
Speaker 6 (36:50):
You know, going up against Cooper Rush, we did not
expect them to allow thirty four.
Speaker 7 (36:53):
Points like they did. That was a little disappointing.
Speaker 6 (36:56):
They did get one sack and a fumble recovery, which
you know got you to four points, but overall not great.
The Bucks, though, the Bucks defense was really good. They
got you eleven points, so you know, it's not some
world beating performance, but that's a good performance out of
a streaming defense. Especially they had four sacks of fumble
recovery and only allowed seven points. So well done to
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the Buccaneers.
Speaker 4 (37:17):
All right, kudos to Ian Rodney on that one. Now
it's time to maybe get some new blood in your lineup,
or because your lineup is full of blood, you need
to clean that up and get some new players. Mike Carmon,
who your waiver wire pickups heading into Week thirteen?
Speaker 5 (37:31):
Well, last man standing in Las Vegas, even with a
date against the Kansas City Chiefs on Friday. Amre Abdullah
veteran running back, seventeen point performance. Someone's got to touch
the ball, So there you go, and Desmond Ritter can
do a two step right as the last man standing
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in that one. So we'll look for Abdullah to get
us a little bit of run. We know Jeremy McNichols
found is way into our hearts. Gus Edwards nine carries
eleven yards, but we have no idea how hurt Dobbins
is going to be next up the Atlanta Falcons, So
an opportunity there you're looking at. Algier still remains on
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the waiver wire list. Again, we'll see if the Chargers
bounce back after getting run over a little bit by
the Ravens. But the workload split certainly there. And we
saw a little more of Trey Benson rough day for
Connor and Arizona. I mean you watched it, Dan, I
mean against your Seahawks. Did you see that defensive performance coming?
Speaker 3 (38:35):
No, and all Arizona did it was just dump it
off to Trey McBride.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Yeah, like that's a twenty five point performance for him.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
So yeah, like that was it? Like it was yeah, No,
I did that.
Speaker 5 (38:45):
And then obviously the most confusing what the hell kind
of interception was that from Kyler Murray in recent memory.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
He's not nine feet tall.
Speaker 3 (38:55):
Man, Hey, I'll take it. I'll take it.
Speaker 5 (38:57):
Obviously, you'll take it. Yeah, coming out of a week
that was your game plan. Good job by you. The continuance.
How about Cooper rush for Thanksgiving Day against the Giants?
They've quit sure, and this was the first time that
the Cowboys actually showed a sign of life. Is this
one where they just agree to shake hands? And then
Lany Wilson does a full concert instead of playing a
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football game.
Speaker 3 (39:19):
I don't know, stay for the football after the concert.
Speaker 5 (39:23):
There you go, right, So we got that, Derek Carr
a little bit of a price shot going up against
the Rams. Russell Wilson's still available in about two thirds
of leagues against Cincinnati, that can't stop three of us
and eight of our friends, like we're playing Thanksgiving Day
football in the backyard. And then Drake may who's been
impressive going up against Indianapolis, a bit of an opportunity
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for him as well. If you're looking for help at
wide receiver, this is where it gets a little dice here,
because we're trying to find the proverbial needle in the haystack,
but we've seen more targets for Noah Brown out of
the Xavier Legette is interesting. Bryce Young started to play
some pretty good football. Was a loss against New England,
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but there seems to be something cooking there. Talk about
the backfield and fighting that one off. Westbrook Akine found
the end zone again again it's.
Speaker 3 (40:19):
Boom or bust. Hey, yeah, I did.
Speaker 5 (40:22):
Good for you. Yeah, so you got over on that one.
And then quickly the tight ends we keep seeing a
little more Noah Gray again boom bust potential there, and
then zach Ertz still unowned in nearly half of league's
target counts big enough that he should at least be rostered,
because remember, you got another bikop By apocalypse coming in
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week fourteen. No everybody plays this week, but then week
fourteen we get another one of these sixteen buys.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
So ridiculous by the National Football League.
Speaker 4 (40:56):
Just get these things should be over with by now,
Like there's no point to have buys for the final
you're starting right now, just head into Thanksgiving and be like,
all right, this is our stretchern this is what we're
gonna deal with. But for some reason I mean there, it's.
Speaker 5 (41:12):
Well, what would we start week four or week five?
I mean, so team's got a buy right away. Okay,
maybe you have some triage and you stop the bleeding,
But tell me you don't need it week twelve or
week fourteen, that that's not a decided advantage for some squads.
Speaker 4 (41:29):
Again, we had a week eight where there were no
teams on buye Right, it's back to in the middle
of what you would think would be a great time
to have buys. I mean, for an eighteen game schedule.
If you wanted to have buys on weeks eight, nine, ten,
and eleven, have eight teams on bye each week and
get it over with, fine by me.
Speaker 3 (41:47):
You know.
Speaker 4 (41:48):
That's that's how I think it should be be more equitable.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
If anything else, why would those TV windows Dan?
Speaker 4 (41:54):
Yeah, those TV windows? And now with the more international
games and we're seeing them earlier in the season, you know,
I just yeah, I don't know. That's the NFL. We
figure it out for another day. All right, there's your
waiver wire again. We're going to be back for a
new episode coming up on Wednesday. With all of Mike's
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rankings that get you set for again a full sixteen
game Week thirteen.
Speaker 3 (42:20):
In the National Football League.
Speaker 4 (42:21):
A lot of trade deadlines in fantasy leagues if it
hasn't already come up, Mike, so something that we can
prepare for as well. Any final thoughts as we wrap
up this podcast.
Speaker 5 (42:32):
I'm looking forward to this coming week. It's obviously a
mutant when we get the three on Thursday. So when
it comes to injury reports and such, you gotta know
wing in a prayer if you're making those decisions on
your roster. This is one of the toughest weeks of
the year, not only because the trip to fan induced
sleep comas the amount of time you're spending with family
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as opposed to a fixed to your phone or computer,
but the bigger thing of just trying to decide, Hey,
am I starting to go on Thursday because I really
need to start him? Or because I'm sitting down and
I'm trying to entertain myself while watching I don't know, Giants, Cowboys.
Speaker 4 (43:11):
I've I've got a quick PSA. It's because I got
to wrap it up. Don't quit on your league. No,
don't quit on your league. If you're out of it
right now and you have a trade deadline and you're
in a keeper league and you get trade for picks,
that's all fine and dandy, But just don't put up
crappy lineups. At least make them competitive. It's all that
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anybody asks for in fantasy football. I understand that you
know you may want to unload some guys and if
things aren't well, maybe you don't have a lot of
guys anyway, and you're like, I'll just.
Speaker 3 (43:39):
Get rid of my good ones.
Speaker 4 (43:41):
Still try to be competitive and put a reasonable lineup. Look,
not even we're not asking you to put an all
pro fantasy team together.
Speaker 3 (43:50):
Just don't quit on the league so it makes it
bad for everyone else.
Speaker 5 (43:53):
Oh yeah, be the net, be play spoiler. Sure you
can still screw over your workmates.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
Come on now and family members and friends.
Speaker 6 (44:01):
The USC Trojans this weekend are facing Notre Dame and
they're going to try to upset Notre Dame to get
them out of the college football playoff hopes. That's what
you need to be as a fantasy owner.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
Here some motivation, that's right.
Speaker 4 (44:15):
It's the littlest It takes the littlest amount of effort.
Just don't quit. That's my PSA for the week.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
There, you go, just try, all right.
Speaker 4 (44:25):
Well, we'll be back with a new episode of I
Want Your Flex coming up on Wednesday.
Speaker 3 (44:29):
And then yeah, I get you set for those Thanksgiving Day.
Speaker 4 (44:32):
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Speaker 4 (00:37):
He is Mike Harmon, I'm Dan Byer. Ian Roddy is
here as well. We start with the end of Week twelve,
which Mike officially marks the two thirds points of our
NFL season. Now, there are still some buys to come
up in Week fourteen, and once we.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Get past those then we are good to go.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
However, two thirds of the way in of the season,
we are now hitting the home stretch, not only for
the regular season, but also for fantasy football.
Speaker 5 (01:02):
Yeah, it was an interesting start to the game, right,
we get the sledgehammer effect of what the Chargers are
trying to lay down. Let's get the brothers in the backyard.
Let's backyard wrestling and a great drive with the Herber touchdown,
and it's like, all right, JK. Dobbins, he's going to
have himself a day. Alas he goes out with injury,
Gus Edwards can barely fall forward and now we have
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ourselves a problem. Eventually, the Ravens offense too much. Edwards
did find the end zone. So if you did a
desperation playoff the bye weeks and injuries, or maybe you
listen to this dope, you at least got a touchdown
out of the deal. But otherwise, I mean, we watched
Lamar Jackson. That forty yard touchdown pass still seems silly
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to me. You're gonna interfere with a guy for fifteen
yards plus, get called for it, and you don't even
get a play on the ball, nor do you knock
him on his ass stop him from catching a touchdown.
Great throw, great play, Bateman two for forty three in
a score, Andrews with a great touchdown on a bullet pass.
I don't know if the referee thought the end zone
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was equivalent to the Purdue end zone and sidelines from
a couple of weeks ago where dude was standing out
of bounds.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
That was weird.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
He was pretty definitive in saying that it was incomplete,
and I'm like, wait what.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
Yeah, yeah, and even then he was still well in
bounds inside of the coloration there. But yeah, just kind
of a curiosity that a couple of moments right you
had the big would be past interference call that they
eventually waved off. And I thought that was a good,
good not call, which might have set the Chargers up
in business to at least make it interesting down the stretch.
But Herbert two eighteen nothing through the air, took four sacks,
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but did get that early rushing touchdown to at least
give you something. But you know, a miss and a
huge spot against what had been a woeful Ravens defense,
and you had no Roquan Smith, so a guy who's
a disruptor and a stopper. And again the injury to
Dobbins think sets things apart. But more of the same
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from dere Derek Henry, another one hundred and forty yard performance.
Even though you didn't find the end zone, you still
got some love from him. And then Lamar won seventy
seven eight world beating but rushing touchdown and two throwing. Yeah,
you'll spike all day on a Chargers team because like
he was on my cold sores of I don't know
what I'm getting because we talked about it, right, Dan,
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I mean, what are the Chargers right? All statistics say this,
but the schedule says this. So rubber meets the road
and the Ravens came out put up thirty on them.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
That's the funny thing is Lamar does end up having
a nice Fantasy week because of the touchdowns that he got,
but honestly, across the board, it really wasn't great for everyone.
Like even if you have Dereck Henry, you're like, but
he didn't get into the end zone. You know, he
had one hundred and forty yards on the ground. So
you can't sit there and complain about that. But I
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know the people who are complaining are the ones that thought, like, yeah,
I believe in Quentin Johnston.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Now I am I believe right?
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Five targets, Oh nothing.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Zilch a goose egg? Yeah tough. I mean JK.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
Dobbins leaves with the knee injury, and that isn't even
the worst of it for the Chargers because Johnston just
dropping that third down pass like he did, where he
could have he could have got all the points you
needed that night on that one play, it wasn't able
to do it.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Yeah, it's just to be the story of his life.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
So yeah, that's true.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
And Justice Hill comes in and eliminates me from our
Guillotine League at Fox Sports Radeo, but just as ends
up having the one carry and the one touchdown run
but was from fifty one yards out, so you know,
he almost matches the numbers of Derrick Henry just because
of that run and getting into the end zone. So yeah, real,
real funky knight in what was a night where we
had fifty three points scored between two teams. But that's
(04:48):
what you get with the Ravens, I think.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
But that's the curiosity right of the the big you know,
thirty thousand foot view when you take it back out,
you know, bridging fantasy and reality of of this win,
what it means and going forward for the Chargers, they
were starting to get a little bit chesty and they
got some fan support. I mean we didn't have the
audio on obviously doing the show. Carrie Rhodes in for
(05:12):
Jason Smith as we're watching the second half, but you know,
coming into the studio and pre show seemed like we
actually have a pretty good contingent of Charger fans, which
was interesting. I mean, like starting to see a little
bit of swell, whether it was the effectiveness of the
billboards of Jim Harbaugh or just people willing to buy
in to what he's cooking, you know, at least, or
(05:35):
they're pumping in a lot of sound, which is always potential,
but it's the idea that you at least our creating
a little bit of a home environment, which we know
for years going back to the soccer stadium and everything
was not exactly the best of circumstances. So either way,
it still comes out with a loss, and for fantasy purposes,
(05:56):
left a lot of us wanting even as you said, Dan,
with the fifty three points scored.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
Yeah, this is this is a little if I'm holding
Chargers stock and we'll get to the NFL teams and
overall stock.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
By the way, I'm sorry about the Justice Soll thing.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
That's it's okay. I watched it.
Speaker 5 (06:16):
I watched it happen in real time because Moncey was
working with us on the show.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
Everybody's telling me Moncey's jumping up and down, and it
just adds more salt in my wound.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
You know. Like I even texted her.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
I was like no, and She's like yes, I was
loving it, you know because you know.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
And I just hope she loses next week. That's all.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
No, Yeah, let's go.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
I'm not bitter at all. I'm not childish at all. No,
but the the whole Chargers scheme of things. If the
Dobbins injury is more significant than maybe we fear, you know,
than than what it looked like. If him at least
walking off, I mean he doesn't return in the second half,
that is that is a big blow to people in fantasy.
(06:58):
You mentioned Gus Edwards not being much of a filler
with that, Quinton Johnston with the o fur and now
I'm like, okay, you know what value you're going to get.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
From Justin Herbert. The goodness they have the Falcons next week.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
You know, there's that, so you would hope you'd be
able to at least move the football there. But yeah,
some serious questions with the Chargers now with the fantasy
wise moving forward, outside of Ladd McConkie, I don't know
who you can seriously consider in getting consistent fantasy production from.
If Dobbins is hurt and Johnston's going to play like that.
Speaker 5 (07:31):
I guess the threshold is the question at tight end
because Will Disley is going to give you several receptions
a game. Sure, just a matter of whether you know
four to night four for forty seven he had four targets?
Is eight to eight point seven getting you to where
you need to be and at the tight end position, yeah,
(07:52):
you'll take the eight point seven most of the most
weeks in bank it right. Red zone would be nice,
but let's call it what it is. At this point
week thirteen, we're hopeful for guys that are going to
start and finish games and where you at least can
point to a target share because it's a mess like
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team to team like that. Even some of the contenders
and I use contenders in quotes because you know, we
have to talk. It's like the old whiteboard we'd have
Dan in the studio where it was like, all right,
the NBA season starting, who do we got. Well, on
this side, it's the Warriors, and over here we got oh,
it's the Cavaliers. You got to put more names up. Okay, yeah,
(08:35):
you know it's it's that kind of thing. And I
think the NFL, I don't think we're very far from
that this year.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
No, No, And we'll dive into that coming up here
in just a bit, because I'm curious on it's almost
of the who's who and the who's not, And I
don't think we're going to disagree on much when you're
looking at at the grand scheme of things from you know,
two thirds of the way of the season in. I mean,
there's just if there's even even just with the Chargers
(09:02):
on Monday Night, there are people believed in the Rams
as a possible team to sneak up in the NFC West.
That's not happening. And you have a bunch of teams
in the NFC that are just like that team. Curious
on your thoughts of Saquon Barkley just since we're talking
about SOFI Stadium games at night, sure and where I
mean that performance for as great as it was, like
(09:24):
the totals were great, Like that's what you get when
you have like two seventy yard runs, you know.
Speaker 5 (09:28):
What I mean, like kil Barry Sanders effect, Yeah, negative one,
negative one four zero zero minus three seventy five.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
T Yeah, yeah, Like that's it's just kind of it
happens like that, so but truly amazing.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
I mean, he won me a.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
Game in a league that I needed to win, so
I'm not complaining at all. But I mean, heck, he's
the one that's figured out a way to straighten out
Nick Sirianni, he and Kellen Moore. It's pretty crazy.
Speaker 5 (09:57):
Well, in the end of feed the ball into the guys, gut,
good things are gonna happen behind that offensive line. I
thought they did a really good job in the broadcast
of really highlighting what the offensive line did, which I
don't know that they do enough of a job of
celebrating guys on the offensive line as opposed to circling
a guy when something goes bad. Sure, right, this sack, well,
(10:20):
I'm gonna blame him because not that the quarterback held
the ball too long, not that he spun back into traffic. No,
the offensive lineman here. So we do that. But with
the Eagles in the Sunday night game, I think they
did a really good job of highlighting all right, here's
the block, you know, five yards down the line of
scrimmage that ends up giving him the lane for I
forget which of the seventy yarders but the point just
(10:43):
being that, you know, they got their flowers a little
more and they're the key to anything they want to
do there, which is why all the arguments about ah
if he was still in with the Giants, like he
would have what he would have fallen forward because Andrew
Thomas is gone and the rest of that line stakes.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
Yeah, this is this is.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
This is the funny thing about stuff like this, like
it truly happens because it's Sunday night football and we
get this in the NBA the whole time.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
None of this is.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
New news, and you see people coming out and being like, well,
Saquon wouldn't have done anything with the Giants. Yeah, you're
exactly right, You're one hundred percent correct, and they're correct.
And the fact of that's also what Joe Shane was
saying last year in paying Saquon Barkley, do you pay
him the thirteen million dollars or do you try to
(11:35):
figure out a way to maybe make things better around
Daniel Jones, Because if you have Daniel Jones and you
have Saquon Barkley for the amount that you know they
were willing to pay him, they weren't going to be
able to do the things that they wanted to do
on the offensive line. So the Giants would have just
been who they are now in hindsight twenty twenty. Giants
are a mess anyway. You talked about Andrew Thomas not
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being there a huge piece of it. But that's the
reason why Joe Shane didn't sign Saquon Barkley because he
knew Saquon Barkley wouldn't be Saquon Barkley not sucks for them.
Then he went to Philadelphia, But the Giants would have
been no better. And the only thing that would have
been different is maybe Philadelphia isn't this prolific right now,
But yeah, the Giants would have stunk anyway.
Speaker 5 (12:14):
Yeah, but I mean we'd seen the Eagles roll through
guys right by committee before and have success. Now we
watched it all burned around while Sirianni played a fiddle. Maybe,
but the idea of being that, you know, with the Giants,
what do we always we always talk about the NFL,
you bet on your quarterback. They decided Dable Jones year
(12:35):
two is going to work, and then it wasn't great
and he got hurt. But go back and look at
who the receivers were running out. They were the guys
they drafted six years prior who hadn't broken through. Yeah,
or everybody else was hurt this year, you actually get
a guy in neighbors and now he's someone's had to
sit him down and tell him what tanking really means.
After his quotes following that no show effort this week
(12:58):
when he got no targets in the first half, Hey, like,
I know you want to win it all, but here's
the thing. You're too good, so we can't throw you
the foot. Like that's the hard reality that he's at.
But yeah, to your point, like, what in terms of
wins for the Giants, what would Saquon Barkley have been worth?
Speaker 6 (13:21):
Do you guys buy the MVP talks then? With that
being the case, because people.
Speaker 5 (13:24):
Are built that bandwagon a while ago, Smith and I
talked about that first, probably a month ago, just saying,
well why.
Speaker 7 (13:31):
Not now it's a mainstream conversation now he went six
to one.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
Yeah, and I was I was more on the Derrick
Henry train. It would be the same group think basically
for a running back taking that team to the next level.
But so yeah, so to that point, Ian, I do
buy it having that sort of game on National TV.
Just I mean, it's just it's then it goes spreads
(13:57):
like wildfire. It's the one thing if he does that
at a one o'clock Eastern time kickoff, that's only you know,
to Philadelphia on parts of the East Coast, and if
they're playing the Falcons, it goes to the state of Georgia.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
You know, that's one thing.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
This everybody is seeing it, and everybody's seeing it in
full display, and everybody can see the Giants hard knocks thing.
So so you take all those pieces together. But yeah,
I'll say this because Mike. You know, Mike mentioned this,
and I swear I said it on this podcast before
and it may have said it on the air. But
Mike's point about the other running backs they had, Yeah,
(14:33):
they had DeAndre Swift, they had Miles Sanders, they had
other guys, Sirianni still wouldn't you know, commit to the run.
So I kind of Gamewell and Boston Scott were getting
these runs and and Jalen Hurts is running the football
and they just they weren't that that complete of a
football team, and you needed someone with the I think
with the stature of Saquon Barkley to be like, because
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you're crazy to not give him the ball. Yeah, absolutely,
freakish athlete, you're gonna give him the football. And I
also give credit to Kellen Moore, And in a way,
I give credit to Nick Siriani because Nick Sirianni's job
is on the line, and so you're kind of putting
it in the hands of Kellen Moore and Vic Fangio
to get your two units squared away after you lost
(15:17):
your coordinators two years ago after the Super Bowl run
and now it's working out. But he was on his back,
was against the wall. He kind of had uh, no
way to go but allow these people to come in.
And I guess kudos to that because it's worked with
Kellen Moore and say Kwan Barkley on the offensive side.
Speaker 5 (15:34):
Let guys do their jobs as were and look, Jalen hurts.
There's plenty of discussions about him and whatever else. He
still gets fed because his beneficiary of all the brotherly shoves, push, push,
whatever term you want to use on it. But the
fact that you know, he's got to sublimate his ego
to a degree because he doesn't get to wing them
(15:54):
all around a lot. So there's a little bit of that,
like it's requiring a delicate balunce, lots of stuff and
thus far, Look, winning cures all ills, and all you
need is a two game losing streak and it all
burns down in Philly.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
We know that, so you might get take it.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
You're in on the talk, as he said, just you're
in your game for Sakwan Barkley being the MVP.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Yere in consideration. Sure.
Speaker 5 (16:19):
Yeah, and I like your Henry thing too, Like I
just a question of whether you know his was just
too early, but it at least opened the door to
a conversation. Yeah, because I think too often it's just
all right, here's the quarterback. I feel bad that Josh
Allen has gotten kind of pushed to the side in
this whole thing. Right, We've talked a lot about Lamar
(16:39):
Jackson coming into tonight. It's like, well, if Justin Herbert wins,
look how efficient he's been and the balance that they've established,
not that his numbers are overly gaudy, but if they
bait the Ravens in a Monday night standalone game, baut Brothers,
Horriball get over whatever, and he has one or two
big plays, then maybe you've got something there, like you
try to open the conversation, but Derreck Henry at least
(17:02):
opened the door to like, all right, and I hope
for people that actually vote on this damn thing, Like
that's the thing that you know is the biggest is remembering, yes,
you have the crutch of the offensive player of the year,
but let's let's recognize we're great. Is great, and Saquon
Barkley and Derreck Henry to this point, like for all
(17:22):
the love the Christian McCaffrey got, and again, it doesn't
translate to MVP votes. Again, it's stupid, right, It's like
it's almost like there's the invisible ink in the the
orders that you get. By the way, you have to
only vote for a quarterback.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
Well, you know, Dereck Henry has two thousand yards in
a season and Aaron Rodgers wins the end, No, right,
you know it kind of this is the and I
almost feel hypocritical in saying this, and I obviously don't
have an MVP vote, but it's almost like Derrick Henry
and Saquon Barklay needed to go on to other teams
with great quarterbacks and to show their worth. But it's
really the opposite. It should have been the opposite, where like, Okay,
(18:01):
if you're carrying Tennessee to you know, through that sort
of season, maybe you should get a little bit more
love than you know that you than you are getting
right now.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Right.
Speaker 5 (18:13):
Yeah, you had the fact that you had to go
to an already good team and make them consistently great.
And again both still, I mean, Baltimore, Still, what's the
what do we do in January?
Speaker 3 (18:24):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
Yeah, And I go, I'm just going to take the
last word on Saquon here. I Ian I believe that
you you believe Saquon is an MVP candidate as well?
Speaker 6 (18:32):
Yeah, I'd give it to Lamar, but I at least
think it's worth entertaining him in the conversation for sure.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
Yeah, it's totally fine. There was this is my last
word on it. There was also no guarantee that Sequon
was going to stay healthy. Sure, And that's the other
thing in this when you look at the history and
what the Giants had to deal with there is there
were seasons of injuries to deal with, and so to
think that he's doing what he's doing now and is
(18:59):
doing it full healthy is something that I think that
the Giants were skeptical on and I honestly I wouldn't
blame them. All right, let's take the time out. He's
Mike Carmen, I'm Dan Byer. Ian Roddy's the executive producer.
So how many teams do legitimately have a shot at
winning Super Bowl? Fifty nine? Will whittle that number down?
Next here, and I want your flex hit Mike up
(19:20):
at Swollen Dome or Mike carmeron on Blue Sky. You
can find me at dan Byer on Fox on X
or Dan Byer on Blue Sky.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Ian, how's Blue Sky going for you?
Speaker 7 (19:30):
How's a bad?
Speaker 6 (19:30):
Interrupt you and say before you ask, I have not
made a Blue Sky.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
I want to know, all right, but you can find
a minute.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
Now.
Speaker 5 (19:37):
Though we know Ian Roddy's taken, is there much motivation
to it? You know what, he's been demotivated. He's a
member of the New York Giants.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Hey, it happens that's the third team.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
Yeah, I'll about that. That's a whole other story for
another day. Let let's dive into this. We're doing a
little bit of a twist on a Thanksgiving week. How
many teams legitimately do you think can win the Super Bowl. Uh,
my number is six, Mike. How many do you have?
Speaker 2 (20:07):
I have five?
Speaker 3 (20:10):
Five? Ian? How many do you have?
Speaker 6 (20:12):
I only have two. Yeah, I think there's only two
teams that could win the Super Bowl as of right now.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
All right, let's start out with your two teams to
win the Super Bowl.
Speaker 6 (20:22):
Well, the first one is I feel like it's got
to be on everyone's list. The Detroit LIONSKA. Yeah, they're
just an absolute wagon. No one can even come close
to beating them in recent weeks. So I think that's
pretty self explanatory. The defense has been on a tear.
The offense is the offense. You know, Ben Johnson has
been a top head coaching candidate every year for a
good reason. And yeah, they're they're they's just a total
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wagon right now. And then the other teams, the Philadelphia Eagles,
and it might be prisoner of the moment stuff, just
coming off that huge win over the Chargers, but.
Speaker 7 (20:52):
Yeah, not the Chargers. The why am I blanking something?
Of course?
Speaker 6 (20:58):
So seeing that, yeah, it's those two teams to me
right now, there's just such a big gap between them
and everyone else. So I can't comfortably say that anyone
else can win the Shoal if they're not on the
level of those two teams.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
Okay, that's that's that's fair enough, Mike. Are those two
teams on your list of five, because they are on
my list of six as well.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Yeah, so those are my NFC.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
Yeah, here's my little worry about Detroit right now. Are
they peaking too soon? Sure, that's just my my only concern.
And with a lot of football yet to be get
to be played, they do have stuff to play for.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
These games are gonna matter. Things are gonna happen.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
They've got to not only do they have to fend
off the Eagles for the number one overall seed the division,
by no means is a given right now, and there
could still be a situation where as crazy as it sounds,
and as dominant as they have been, they are two
or three bad weeks away from being a team that's
not going to play any home games during the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
The fun looking at our good friends at Tankathon.
Speaker 5 (22:03):
The rest of their schedule right worst schedule as in
the hardest schedule Bears doesn't matter, and their easiest opponent
on their schedule of the six left is the forty
nine ers. Oh yeah, there you go in New England second,
Cleveland third, and this is where it gets fun. Minnesota
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is fourth. You've got the Lions, Packers, Cardinals, Falcons, Seahawks,
and Bears.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Fifth is San Francisco.
Speaker 5 (22:37):
Trying to figure out what they are at this morent
They've got three on the tough side, three on the
easy side, and then you've got Detroit and green Bay
are six and seven in terms of these rankings, with
winning percentages for Detroit of five ninety one and green
Bay five seventy six remaining.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
The Lions do have games in hand on green Bay
and Minnesota, but they also have to play those teams
you know, still down the stretch, and so that also
adds to their winning percentage and those again, and that's
the two to three game stretch that I talk about
with the Lions. For as great as things are right now,
it's not a given. And if you start to falter,
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then only do you lose your place on top in
your momentum, you're losing the division, you're losing home field,
and next thing you know, you're in a wild card
in a funky bracket. In the NFC, Eagles not as
much because the Commanders lost this past weekend, there still
would be a fight for it. But yeah, I think
that the Lions. That would be the one thing to
(23:40):
worry me about the Lions.
Speaker 5 (23:41):
Yeah, I picked the Eagles before the season, so I'm
hopeful that I'm proving to get something right this year.
Did you have any other NFC teams in your bracket there, Dan, I.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
Did, okay? One? Okay, green Bay?
Speaker 5 (23:54):
You got green Bay? Okay, Yeah, they were in that
next tier. Trying to decide for me between in Minnesota
as how much I believe in them.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
You want to know why I put green Bay there?
Speaker 4 (24:04):
The reason I put Green Bays Jordan Love has got
an interception problem, but what Josh Jacobs was able to
do this past week against San Francisco, I think bodes
really well offensively, and Christian Watson just catched the football.
I know Dobbs is dinged up. That hurts. But I
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feel like Green Bay is the team that you don't
want to see come to town, and we saw what
happened last year. They go to Dallas and do the thing.
I almost think that they would relish that role and
be better suited around at this time. Maybe a couple
of questions on their defense, but they've also had Xavier
McKinney has been one of the best free agent signings
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in all of football for them, So I'm still putting
Green Bay in that list of NFC teams.
Speaker 5 (24:51):
Yeah, the love interception problem problem you allude to is
the one that because it's the same thing I keep
waiting to happen in Minnesota because I like Minnesota a lot.
But I'm sitting there going, do I really think Sam
Darnold's getting to the promised Land?
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (25:05):
Right, Like it's just that kind of thing, and it's
not I have no animosity towards the man. I just
look at it going, it's a fun story. And at
this point we're in week thirteen, still hasn't fallen off
the rail. Steady as they go, and you know, if
Addison becomes a more consistent threat, who knows.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Yeah, I've missed Judd.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
Right when I started believing in the Vikings, they faltered,
so then I sold my stock and not only keep
winning games like they did against your Bears this past weekend.
So I just don't think they consistently can consistently do that.
I believe in Jordan Love more than Sam Dark.
Speaker 5 (25:41):
Yeah, there's only so many times you're going to be
able to ebor flu somebody.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
All right, Ian didn't have any AFC teams, Mike, I'm
guessing that's where your three come from.
Speaker 5 (25:49):
Yeah, I've got three there. We've got obviously to be
the man. You gotta beat the man in Kansas City.
Until you execute them, they're hanging around to crush you.
I picked the Bills before the season, still alive. I
had a Buffalo Philadelphia super Bowl and damn it, I
still hold out hope. And then third, I've got the
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Ravens and just that defense leaves me with great pause
from time to time. But as long as Roquan Smith's out,
not out for a long period of time, because the
fact that he missed the Monday night football against the Chargers,
missed that game leaves me a little concerned that this
might be a bigger issue because this was a pretty
(26:31):
big spot for both teams, I thought, even with the
Steelers having lost to the Browns on Thursday Night football.
But you know, he's a guy that's so instrumental. What
do you have one hundred and ten tackles and a
bunch for laws and whatever all of those things. So
his health certainly pair him out, but right now they
would be the third team into that mix. Wondering if,
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based on our prior conversation, Henry's good enough to get
them over.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
Yeah, those are my three.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
And do you have any problem even though they weren't
in your top two with any of those teams under
consideration to be added to your your final two.
Speaker 6 (27:07):
They're all in consideration because they're they're good teams, you know, So, yeah,
none of them are totally elimited. I just feel like
the fact that there's in my mind, there's such a
big gap between the Lions and the and the Eagles,
and I just.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Like that he just said blank the AFC.
Speaker 6 (27:22):
That's right, Yeah, exactly, But no, we're picking the top
like who I actually think has a legitimate chance, And
I don't think any AFC team has a legitimate chance
of beating either of those teams as things look right now.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
So I think when you're Kansas City, you they get
the benefit of the doubt that any game that they're
in you think they can win.
Speaker 7 (27:41):
It's true.
Speaker 6 (27:42):
I just when you look at each of these different teams,
like Kansas City, like Green Bay, there's just always one
little thing that you can point to, you know, like
Green Bay, like they don't really have a number one
superstar receiver that you can point to. The Ravens, like
Mike said, the defense is a little concerning. There's just
little things with these teams that you can point to,
whereas with the Lions and Eagles. To me, there's just
no weakness.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
Yeah, I will there's a weakness, but it's just not
showing itself fair I would say, yeah, that's the Chief's
biggest margin. The largest margin of victor this year is
thirteen points in a game against the Saints that I
think they may have scored late. Maybe I'm wrong about it,
but their only other double digit win was against San
(28:22):
Francisco this year. So with all of those wins and
then needing the last second game again, that last second
kick against the Panthers, you know, one of the league's worst,
just as you questioning, you know how things are playing out.
So they beat the Saints comfortably. There wasn't a late
touchdown to make it thirteen the double check. But I
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get the concern about the Chiefs. The reason why I
put the Chiefs in there is actually the reason why
I didn't put the Steelers in is every time I
look at Kansas City and if I were to put
them up against any of the teams, I think they
could win. I don't think I can do that with Pitch.
I think what they've done so far this year could
warrant it. But I just don't see them going through
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this gauntlet of teams in the AFC and being able
to come out unscathed. Like at some point offensively, I
think it's going to catch up with them, and that's
why I was reluctant to put Pittsburgh.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
On this list.
Speaker 5 (29:18):
Yeah, curiosity for me going back to Detroit being one
of the main pieces to it all. You brought up
the idea of peaking to early.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Dan.
Speaker 5 (29:27):
The thing for me is we haven't seen them in
a close game in a long time. I mean, we
had the Houston game. I guess that's the outlier in
the last since their bye week, Right, they beat the
Seahawks forty two twenty nine, go to their bye week,
come out throttle Dallas and roll through Wedn's Dan Campbell
going to Dan Campbell again because we had it with
(29:48):
Baltimore today or I should say Monday night for those listening,
Tuesday Wednesday, whenever is recording obviously after the game when
John Harbaugh went for it on his own six team, right,
no guts, no glory. Okay, they go down and they
score ninety three yard touchdown drive. That was the forty
yard touchdown pass to Bateman. He doesn't get that. The
(30:12):
hell's that game look like? Right again, gutsy crazy. It's
almost like the spirit of Brandon Staley inhabited him for
a moment. Yeah, but you know, it's those kind of things.
And you know that's been the one question of Campbell.
As great and as much as you may love the
gutsy you know, hey, take no prisoners, bite kneecaps kind
(30:34):
of thing. Last year man, I didn't have any issue
with it. It's like, that's who you decided you are.
You can be consistent and just execute. And you know
they had the place made if the guy actually catches
the ball. But but you know, wondering if that doesn't
go asunder again in a big spot against the Green
(30:55):
Bay or against one of the r other playoff competitors.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
When it's all said and done.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
The Bills are in an interesting spot because they've got
a interesting slew of games with the Niners coming up
and then the Rams and Lions, and then you have
your Patriots Jets Patriots sandwich to end to end the year.
That's some delicious AFC East meat right there. But again
we talked about it. There are four games up on
the Dolphins with the sweep, so basically they're five games
(31:22):
up and you do want bigger fish to fry. They
have a win over Kansas That will win over Kansas City,
which really helps if you can get some help elsewhere
to stay motivated. But if the Bills drop one of
these three games here and you're sitting there hoping for
Kansas City to end up falling along the way, I
(31:43):
just don't know what Buffalo's going to have to play
for the final three weeks of the season. Like it's
you know, I just it's it's almost then you're having
a month to figure out a way to stay motivated.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
I just wonder how you handle that. It.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
Plus, I don't think they're great, Like I don't. I
would if Baltimore played at Buffalo. I would take Baltimore
in that game. And I'm sure it's recency buys and
seeing what they did tonight against the Chargers, but yeah,
I would, And I'll tell you what. I don't know
if I would have put the Texans in this group
three weeks ago, but they definitely are not there now
(32:20):
and they not under consideration at all.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
Three weeks ago. I maybe would have thought about it,
but not in this group.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Yeah, the old monkey song was I'm a believer. I was.
I was a disbeliever. I was walking through the other door.
Speaker 5 (32:34):
I always thought the offensive line would come back to
bite them.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
Yeah, it was good last year. It's not this year.
I don't know what the deal is, but.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
Yeah, and as we talked about, right, it's the I'd
love to sit down with the panel esteam panel of
former quarterbacks and offensive linemen and just say, all right,
let's go to the blame pie and decide what percentages
on Stroud holding the ball too long or the defensive
line slash running back not chipping or taking care of it.
Speaker 4 (33:06):
Yeah it is, Yeah, he hasn't necessarily looked the same Stroud.
It has at times. Right, sometimes I think it's pressing
to do too much. And we've seen that happens in
young quarterbacks. Maybe a Jordan love thing. But yeah, yeah,
it's just it's not the ingredients aren't there for Houston.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
This year.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
Maybe in the upcoming years, but not there for twenty
twenty four into twenty twenty five. All right, he is
Mike Carmen, that's Ian Roddy. I'm Dan Beyer. Now we're
going to get to your Week thirteen. Interesting week, by
the way for the pod. Because of the Thanksgiving Holiday,
our episode that's going to come out on Wednesday will
actually be our usual Friday episode with rankings and Mike's
hot plays and cold soares and the whole deal. So
(33:47):
just two episodes this week just because of the Thanksgiving holiday.
But hey, then we get to talk about Thanksgiving games.
Are there any waiver wire pickups from those Turkey games
coming up on Thursday? Or the Black Friday game between
the Raiders and Jeeves. We'll talk about a next tier
and I Want your Flex Welcome back to I Want
Your Flex hit Mike up at Swollen Dome and Mike
Carmon on Blue Sky. I'm at Dan Byer on Fox
(34:10):
on X and Dan Byer on Blue Skuy. Ian Roddy
is here only on X at Ian Roddy Underscore scoreboard
time Before we get to Mike's waiver Wire pickups, Guys,
as much as I loved my points of Palooza turning
out to be the Titans and Dexans. I couldn't have
been more wrong about my survivor pick. I was just saying,
don't pick the Dolphins. That was the only thing I
(34:31):
was saying. I wasn't saying to pick the Patriots. I
was just saying, don't pick Miami as your survivor pick
this week. And it failed miserably. My Oasis song some
might say, some might say Anthony Richardson didn't have any talent.
Those people would be wrong. But I'll tell you what,
Anthony Richardson also had no touchdowns on Sunday.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
So that was a fail for me. Guys missed out
on that one.
Speaker 5 (34:55):
Mixed bag for me. Quarterback position seems to be where
I've found some great success most of the year. Week twelve,
we had our highlights, for sure. We we pointed out
some of the the lows along the way, certainly in
terms of what we were able to accomplish.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
Yeah, up there at number two eight in the end zone. Again,
he was your number one.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
He just keeps finding the end zone.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
Yeah he does, he absolutely does.
Speaker 5 (35:26):
So I'll take those little victories along the way. But yeah,
I mean, look, we got our touchdown from Gus Edwards
as a ninja, just thinking that we'd have a smash down,
you know, smash situation of those two teams just trying
to beat each other up, brotherly love as it were.
But yeah, it's just just a weird week once again,
(35:49):
like every week, it would come wringing our hands going wow,
that played to form. Like you guys were talking about,
you know, some of your fantasy finishes for this week
and said, like Josh Jacobs was a got three touchdowns
and a twenty eight point performance.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
I got that wrong. I'll share that one.
Speaker 5 (36:06):
Tony Pollard finishing as the fifth running back. No, didn't
see it. Thought they'd win the game, but didn't think
it was gonna be him getting it done. Yeah, I
went upset minded and picked. So I think it bled
down to the fantasy realm in terms of some of
the way things played out.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
Well, our only saving grace is Ian Roddy streaming defenses here.
You going, how did your defense is do in week twelve?
Speaker 6 (36:32):
Yes, so we had one that was very good and
one that was it was okay. So I came to
you guys with the Bucks and the Commanders as the
two streaming defenses last week, We'll start with the Commanders,
who finished with four points.
Speaker 7 (36:43):
So you know that was okay, not a failure of
now what.
Speaker 3 (36:46):
You were hoping though against Cooper Rush.
Speaker 7 (36:48):
No, definitely not.
Speaker 6 (36:50):
You know, going up against Cooper Rush, we did not
expect them to allow thirty four.
Speaker 7 (36:53):
Points like they did. That was a little disappointing.
Speaker 6 (36:56):
They did get one sack and a fumble recovery, which
you know got you to four points, but overall not great.
The Bucks, though, the Bucks defense was really good. They
got you eleven points, so you know, it's not some
world beating performance, but that's a good performance out of
a streaming defense. Especially they had four sacks of fumble
recovery and only allowed seven points. So well done to
(37:16):
the Buccaneers.
Speaker 4 (37:17):
All right, kudos to Ian Rodney on that one. Now
it's time to maybe get some new blood in your lineup,
or because your lineup is full of blood, you need
to clean that up and get some new players. Mike Carmon,
who your waiver wire pickups heading into Week thirteen?
Speaker 5 (37:31):
Well, last man standing in Las Vegas, even with a
date against the Kansas City Chiefs on Friday. Amre Abdullah
veteran running back, seventeen point performance. Someone's got to touch
the ball, So there you go, and Desmond Ritter can
do a two step right as the last man standing
(37:53):
in that one. So we'll look for Abdullah to get
us a little bit of run. We know Jeremy McNichols
found is way into our hearts. Gus Edwards nine carries
eleven yards, but we have no idea how hurt Dobbins
is going to be next up the Atlanta Falcons, So
an opportunity there you're looking at. Algier still remains on
(38:15):
the waiver wire list. Again, we'll see if the Chargers
bounce back after getting run over a little bit by
the Ravens. But the workload split certainly there. And we
saw a little more of Trey Benson rough day for
Connor and Arizona. I mean you watched it, Dan, I
mean against your Seahawks. Did you see that defensive performance coming?
Speaker 3 (38:35):
No, and all Arizona did it was just dump it
off to Trey McBride.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Yeah, like that's a twenty five point performance for him.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
So yeah, like that was it? Like it was yeah, No,
I did that.
Speaker 5 (38:45):
And then obviously the most confusing what the hell kind
of interception was that from Kyler Murray in recent memory.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
He's not nine feet tall.
Speaker 3 (38:55):
Man, Hey, I'll take it. I'll take it.
Speaker 5 (38:57):
Obviously, you'll take it. Yeah, coming out of a week
that was your game plan. Good job by you. The continuance.
How about Cooper rush for Thanksgiving Day against the Giants?
They've quit sure, and this was the first time that
the Cowboys actually showed a sign of life. Is this
one where they just agree to shake hands? And then
Lany Wilson does a full concert instead of playing a
(39:18):
football game.
Speaker 3 (39:19):
I don't know, stay for the football after the concert.
Speaker 5 (39:23):
There you go, right, So we got that, Derek Carr
a little bit of a price shot going up against
the Rams. Russell Wilson's still available in about two thirds
of leagues against Cincinnati, that can't stop three of us
and eight of our friends, like we're playing Thanksgiving Day
football in the backyard. And then Drake may who's been
impressive going up against Indianapolis, a bit of an opportunity
(39:47):
for him as well. If you're looking for help at
wide receiver, this is where it gets a little dice here,
because we're trying to find the proverbial needle in the haystack,
but we've seen more targets for Noah Brown out of
the Xavier Legette is interesting. Bryce Young started to play
some pretty good football. Was a loss against New England,
(40:08):
but there seems to be something cooking there. Talk about
the backfield and fighting that one off. Westbrook Akine found
the end zone again again it's.
Speaker 3 (40:19):
Boom or bust. Hey, yeah, I did.
Speaker 5 (40:22):
Good for you. Yeah, so you got over on that one.
And then quickly the tight ends we keep seeing a
little more Noah Gray again boom bust potential there, and
then zach Ertz still unowned in nearly half of league's
target counts big enough that he should at least be rostered,
because remember, you got another bikop By apocalypse coming in
(40:45):
week fourteen. No everybody plays this week, but then week
fourteen we get another one of these sixteen buys.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
So ridiculous by the National Football League.
Speaker 4 (40:56):
Just get these things should be over with by now,
Like there's no point to have buys for the final
you're starting right now, just head into Thanksgiving and be like,
all right, this is our stretchern this is what we're
gonna deal with. But for some reason I mean there, it's.
Speaker 5 (41:12):
Well, what would we start week four or week five?
I mean, so team's got a buy right away. Okay,
maybe you have some triage and you stop the bleeding,
But tell me you don't need it week twelve or
week fourteen, that that's not a decided advantage for some squads.
Speaker 4 (41:29):
Again, we had a week eight where there were no
teams on buye Right, it's back to in the middle
of what you would think would be a great time
to have buys. I mean, for an eighteen game schedule.
If you wanted to have buys on weeks eight, nine, ten,
and eleven, have eight teams on bye each week and
get it over with, fine by me.
Speaker 3 (41:47):
You know.
Speaker 4 (41:48):
That's that's how I think it should be be more equitable.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
If anything else, why would those TV windows Dan?
Speaker 4 (41:54):
Yeah, those TV windows? And now with the more international
games and we're seeing them earlier in the season, you know,
I just yeah, I don't know. That's the NFL. We
figure it out for another day. All right, there's your
waiver wire again. We're going to be back for a
new episode coming up on Wednesday. With all of Mike's
(42:15):
rankings that get you set for again a full sixteen
game Week thirteen.
Speaker 3 (42:20):
In the National Football League.
Speaker 4 (42:21):
A lot of trade deadlines in fantasy leagues if it
hasn't already come up, Mike, so something that we can
prepare for as well. Any final thoughts as we wrap
up this podcast.
Speaker 5 (42:32):
I'm looking forward to this coming week. It's obviously a
mutant when we get the three on Thursday. So when
it comes to injury reports and such, you gotta know
wing in a prayer if you're making those decisions on
your roster. This is one of the toughest weeks of
the year, not only because the trip to fan induced
sleep comas the amount of time you're spending with family
(42:54):
as opposed to a fixed to your phone or computer,
but the bigger thing of just trying to decide, Hey,
am I starting to go on Thursday because I really
need to start him? Or because I'm sitting down and
I'm trying to entertain myself while watching I don't know, Giants, Cowboys.
Speaker 4 (43:11):
I've I've got a quick PSA. It's because I got
to wrap it up. Don't quit on your league. No,
don't quit on your league. If you're out of it
right now and you have a trade deadline and you're
in a keeper league and you get trade for picks,
that's all fine and dandy, But just don't put up
crappy lineups. At least make them competitive. It's all that
(43:32):
anybody asks for in fantasy football. I understand that you
know you may want to unload some guys and if
things aren't well, maybe you don't have a lot of
guys anyway, and you're like, I'll just.
Speaker 3 (43:39):
Get rid of my good ones.
Speaker 4 (43:41):
Still try to be competitive and put a reasonable lineup. Look,
not even we're not asking you to put an all
pro fantasy team together.
Speaker 3 (43:50):
Just don't quit on the league so it makes it
bad for everyone else.
Speaker 5 (43:53):
Oh yeah, be the net, be play spoiler. Sure you
can still screw over your workmates.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
Come on now and family members and friends.
Speaker 6 (44:01):
The USC Trojans this weekend are facing Notre Dame and
they're going to try to upset Notre Dame to get
them out of the college football playoff hopes. That's what
you need to be as a fantasy owner.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
Here some motivation, that's right.
Speaker 4 (44:15):
It's the littlest It takes the littlest amount of effort.
Just don't quit. That's my PSA for the week.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
There, you go, just try, all right.
Speaker 4 (44:25):
Well, we'll be back with a new episode of I
Want Your Flex coming up on Wednesday.
Speaker 3 (44:29):
And then yeah, I get you set for those Thanksgiving Day.
Speaker 4 (44:32):
Games and Black Friday and so much more so for Ian,
Roddy and Mike Karmen. I'm Dan Pyre. It's been fun.
We'll talk to you again soon here and I Want
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