The Fellas with Anthony Gargano & Jason Fitz discuss the College Football Playoff Seeding Matchups, Week 15 of the NFL & MORE!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio. Shock and awe
was everywhere. Is the biggest news of the week was
that Bill Belichick decided to get back into coaching.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
But now where we thought, No, no, this wasn't Bill
coming back to saving NFL franchise. This wasn't Bill coming
back to decide that he was going to make everything
right and go after the all time winning record. It
was none of that. No, it was Bill deciding he
wants to go to the college game and suddenly turn
around a college program. And for that, a lot of
people have spent all week yelling about what he should do,

(00:32):
what he could do, what it means. The question is,
what if he just it's just a coach that wants
to be a coach. What if we're asking all of
the wrong questions about the motives. What if we're asking
all of the wrong questions about what's gonna happen, And
what if we're just frankly putting our own thoughts into
somebody's head when all they want to do is be
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He's Anthony Garganom, I'm Jason Fitz and look it's just
for me. I spent all week dissecting the news. You know,
Bill Belichick headed to North Carolina. And it's funny. It's

(01:14):
funny to me, cousin, because every single time a coach
leaves college football to go to NFL, we sit there
and say, well, yeah, you know, because they didn't want
to be around the college game anyot. We're finding reasons
that college football must be broken, and then all of
a sudden a coach wants to leave the NFL to
go to the college game, and we're still trying to
find reasons college football is broken. And I'm just looking
at all of it saying, hey, what if a guy

(01:36):
looked around the landscape, realized he wasn't going to get
a job this year and simply said I want to
be around the game and this was his best opportunity.
Why does everything have to be Why do we have
to place our own thoughts on every person's decision on
where they want to do how they want to do,
what they want to do. Like Belichick wants to coach
and he got the opportunity to coach at North Carolina.

Speaker 3 (01:56):
Can't it just be that it's a great point, brother,
I mean excellent point, and I gotta tell you, I'd
love it. I think it's awesome. And by the way,
college football is fantastic. It is great. It is so interesting.
It's such a great challenge. The landscape is awesome, and

(02:18):
I'm with you. And look, you know, I think there
was probably, if you're gonna look at it, probably one
gig right now that he probably could have had, which
was Jacksonville, because he and Sead Connor are pretty good,
pretty close. I do think that there's a you know,
he probably looked and said, you know, he doesn't know

(02:40):
if he wants to go and do that NFL thing
over and you know, well, these gms that are there
be wary of him. And there, I mean guys who
are gms and teams admit that they're afraid of them
because they're gonna feel marginalized or maybe even worse. Where
they get they get replay last, they get run out

(03:01):
or pushed out because when Belichick comes in. He's so big,
he's such a figure that they're gonna feel like, oh
my god, that means I'm out. So I do think,
you know, I think his probably his positions were limited.
But to your point, yeah, I mean, none of our business.

(03:22):
If Bill feels great to go to North Carolina and
have his son and build a Belichick legacy, God bless
I will.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
I will defer to Charles robertson Yahoo's Sports Insider, and
one of the shows that I do with him is
Inside Coverage, and he laid out a couple of things
that I think made sense this week in the sense
at number one, he did say, at least from his report,
he can't say zero percent chance, but nobody's reached out,
nobody's talked to him, notice from the end, for an
actual real job, and so that that is a little

(03:53):
part of it. But the other part of it, I
think it was interesting. Context is we all keep sitting
here saying, well, he's chasing Sholes all time win record,
and that's a big deal to him. Charles made it
very clear that Belichick's camp has looked at the numbers
and they believe strongly that even if they go out
and get the number. Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes are
right on their heels and will take the number. And
once they came to that conclusion, it really took some

(04:16):
of that onus of what got to get to the
NFL to get that all time win record off of
his plate. And you know, so I keep hearing the
ESPN and just scream all day, well, you know, he's
got to get that number. He's got to get that number.
It doesn't look like that was really that important to him.
So now if you take that out of the context,
he can go somewhere where he can, you know, coach
with this kid. He can make his coach his kid

(04:37):
coach and waiting. Essentially, he can build something that he
can be a part of for a very long time.
And on top of all of that, you know, when
he turns in his manifesto how many pages it was,
whether it was fifty pages or four hundred pages, who cares.
When he hands North Carolina a manifesto of how he
wants to run the program, they're not pushing back to
the point that you just made about GMS in the NFL.
Nobody is sitting here saying, oh, builds a control for you,

(05:00):
he's a power freak. If you're North Carolina, you're like, okay, great,
you know perfect this year you want to run it,
We'll let you run it that way. And on top
of all that, what is success in North Carolina. He's
not going to Alabama where he has to go, you know,
he has If he loses two games, everybody's gonna freak out.
He's not going to a spot where, you know, if
he doesn't beat insert coach name here, he's gonna get

(05:22):
fired every single year. So going to North Carolina, if
he wins ten games a year and has them in
the ACC playoff conversation, which is pretty reasonable expectation, he's
going to be considered a god there. So, like I
just for all of those reasons, I looked at it
and said, man, I think this actually works out to
be pretty stinking perfect.

Speaker 3 (05:41):
Dude. I think you're spot on. I think you're spot on.
And by the way, you're right, you get to build
whatever you want there. It's it's and if you're North Carolina,
you're going, oh my god, all right, aman, baby, let's
go Bill. I got the Belichick. I mean, it's such

(06:02):
a win win. And he goes and tabs Mike Lombardi,
which I think is a great hire to grab Mike
and go do it. And you know, look the way
the landscape is in college football. You need a GM.
You got to run it. You're gonna have to run
it like a pro like an NFL team. That's where

(06:23):
we're at when it comes to college football. They're all
adding gms, right, they're all adding them. You need them now.
I mean to go through the portal to see what
you're recruiting. I mean, you got to treat them like
it's an NFL fit because you're building a roster. It's
about building rosters now, right, Like what quarterbacks are available?

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I mean they're all scouring the portal like, all right,
who do we got, what do we build in? How
how much money we got, what's the cap? Like, I mean,
they're gonna be going all through this stuff.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
And you know you mentioned bringing in Lombardi. I think
it's an important point we say here so often with coaches,
and we yell and scream about who they bring in
with them and the nepotism of coaching or the friendships
of coaching, and the fact that they constantly want to
work with the same people Okay. I just here's what
I know. If somebody came to me today and offered
me so much money that I felt like I had

(07:16):
to get back in the music business, and I was
hiring a band, I would not put the band together
that is the best at any position. I would put
the band that's the best at what I believe, like
that knows me, you know, I would go out and
I would say, Okay, I'm going to make sure that
I like. It doesn't have to be the best drummer
in the world. It's got to be a drummer that
I know, that I trust, that knows who I am,
that knows how I like to work, that knows what

(07:38):
I want out of that position. Like, I think that's
natural for any of us. If you're a car salesman
and suddenly you're handed a car dealership tomorrow, are you
going to hire a whole group of random salespeople you
don't know where? You're going to go out and start
your entire process with the core group that got you
to where you are. I just I think that's a
natural tendency in life. So, you know, Bill.

Speaker 3 (07:57):
Surround, either I'm with you in that, hey man, you
know you're you're it's all about succeeding, right, It's about success,
And what do you mean, I'm want to work with people.
Not everybody can work together. Not everybody has a shared vision.
Not everybody knows. Like if you're Belichick and you go

(08:22):
into a place you want to you want your people.
I mean, just it's simples that that you know he's
got confidence in Lombardy. It's just, you know, it's I mean,
I think that's ridiculous to be honest with you, Like
when people say that, like, what are you kidding me?
Of course you're gonna want to bring in your own people.

(08:43):
Of course you're going to bring to people that you
believe in the most. It's it's silly.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
Yeah, And all of this comes back to for me,
for North Carolina, this is such an easy yes, because
you know a couple of things. When you're talking about
the transfer portal, and we talk a lot about how
coaches have to get out in the transfer portal so hard.
You got a kid with one year left, they want
to be coached by the best and have a chance
to help their pipeline to the NFL. It seems like

(09:12):
Bill's a pretty easy answer to that. And if you're
North Carolina, yes, you're gonna be investing more now in
nil and collectives. There's a heavy expectation for that. But
you may not be able to compete year in year
out for the next five years with the oil money
of Texas for example. Well, now you don't necessarily have to.
Maybe you're looking at it saying, hey, we're gonna go
out and get kids that are gonna look around and

(09:32):
say it's a little less money, but I'm playing for
Belichick and that's gonna help me get to Sundays. I
think spending on a coach with the name power of
Bill Belichick will actually help them save a little bit
here and there on some of those contracts that they're
having to get out there and get in front of
for some of this compensation. So for North Carolina, it's
a home run. Also, North Carolina is gonna get more
prime TV spots and they have an age because everybody's

(09:56):
gonna want to see this, So I think it's absolutely
perfect for them.

Speaker 3 (10:00):
Let me ask you a question too, because this came
up in conversation and it's about youth and older men
coaching like the younger kids, and it was like, oh,
is he going to relate to the college kid? And
you know, are they going to listen to him? I mean,

(10:22):
he's Bill Belichick the last time I the last time
I checked, right. I look at this generation of athlete
and I think, all right, they're way more dedicated than
ever than ever. It used to be that that generation.
I mean, you know, it's all about partying, and when

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we grew up, it was like, you know, frad house mentality.
And I'm not saying that that's disappeared, but it's a
little different now. They're a little more used to the structure,
the professional is of youth sports. I bring it up
all the time to you, but I think that translates.

(11:04):
I think the guys know now what they're you know,
what they have to do and what's expected on them
and the work ethic and all that stuff. I'll give
you a perfect example. So we have a high school
powerhouse in my area. It's Saint Joe's Prep. They just
won the Pennsylvania state championship for the tenth time in

(11:27):
eleven years. In fact, Marvin Harrison Junior is from the prep.
He's got a younger brother, Jet Harrison, He's at the prep.
He's a freshman. He's going to be great. His the quarterback,
Charlie Falk, is a sophomore. So they just won the

(11:50):
state championship last weekend. And I've told to his father,
and my son is a quarterback, and he's like, hey,
you want to bring Masomo to come throw with Harley
on Sunday. I'm like yeah, But what struck me was
he's already back training his sophomore. They just win the championship.

(12:15):
He's and he's already back training with his quarterback coach.
They're used to working that. You can't tell me that
that was happening probably ten years ago, let alone twenty
or thirty years ago.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
No, you're so right about just and I think this
is true in all walks of success for kids. Now
you gotta be you gotta be better younger, you gotta
be working harder, faster, like all of these things are true.
And to your point of who you relate to, I
think what we have to understand is that relating to

(12:50):
players is an important part of coaching until your resume
gets to the point that it no longer has to
be an important part of coaching. And so you know,
if you're if if you're a first or second or
third year coach in the league. As a head coach,
then yeah, you got to relate to players. And in fact,
I think if you watch some of the stuff that
we saw on you during COVID and some of the

(13:10):
different documentaries who've seen on the Patriots Legacy, I think
Belichick was pretty likable and pretty relatable early on in
his career. Like I think you have to be that,
but once you get enough rings, you just no longer
have to do that. Quarterbacks have to win the locker
room until they have so many rings that they don't
have to do anything right. It's just a different standing.
So if you're Belichick, I don't think relating to the

(13:33):
young players is really first and foremost on your list
of anything. Like you're looking at kids saying, hey, I
canna help you get the Sundays. And that's the part
of this I really think we have to understand because
to your point, kids right now that are in ninth grade,
tenth grade, eleventh grade, Ay, they have the chance to
make money in some states doing what they do. Be

(13:54):
they're going to start making money at a younger age
because of college. And see through all of that, there
is a better drive and understanding of what it takes
to get to the NFL now than there ever was
twenty years ago. From kids, I just I think did
it to that? And North Carolina around and says, hey,
Bill doesn't have to relate to you because he's going
to change the rest of your life. And kids will
buy that.

Speaker 3 (14:15):
Oh yeah, and parents are you know, way more involved now?
So you know, what do you think your kid's father
says when Belichick comes in the house, Yeah, you know
Belichick really wants somebody. And Belichick comes walking in, Hey,
mister or missus fulk like, are you kidding me? Like please,

(14:36):
you're you're you know, Marvin Harrison, and you know there's
Belichick saying, you know, I really want Jet to come
and play with me. I mean, yeah, it's the game changer,
you know, you come walking in and and by the way,
I don't know, I mean after after what Belichick's been

(14:58):
has been like in interviews and everything else over the
last couple of years since he's been since been out
of the game, he's kind of fun right, You got
the young girl like he's he's funny, he's interesting, he's engagement.
He got a lot of cold.

Speaker 2 (15:15):
Points and it's not like his relevance in the NFL
was fifteen years ago. Like that's the other part of it, right,
I mean, let's be real. So I think all of
that just continues to pile on to the why and
how this this being successful at North Carolina. And I'll
double down on the fact that when I say this
being successful, let's be clear, I don't think that North

(15:37):
Carolina boosters are sitting here saying win a national championship
or this was a bust, Like that's just that's not
part of the lexicon of what North Carolina expects. But man,
now we're talking about an ACC that couldn't figure out
all year if they were gonna give us more than
one playoff team, and ACC that looks wildly winnable right
now for the next several years, and an ACC where
I'm not quivering in my boots over having a take

(15:59):
on SMU and Miami and Clemson for the next five
years the way I would be having to take on
the top of the SEC or the top of.

Speaker 3 (16:05):
The Big Ten.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
So you know, it's funny because Belichick even just take
take everything else aside, Belichick at North Carolina is gonna
have a much better shot at the College Football Playoff
than you know. Odum is the new head coach at Purdue. Like,
there's just an easier path for North Carolina. So you
get into the CFP that has to be view to
success for the tar Heels. So it's it's a pretty easy,

(16:27):
easily passable bar if you're talking about what Belichick is
going to be expected to do.

Speaker 3 (16:33):
Yeah, I dude, I'm with you. I by the way,
you know what's funny, I was thinking about this just say,
you know, the NFL was on the table, and the
Carolina thing's here too. If you'll go out, that's not
even an option. And I'm thinking nowadays with the way

(16:55):
you can turn a program around at college football and
the fact that you get the build something. You basically
get to go down to Chapel Bill, right, and you
get to go and build something that you it's a fresh,
clean palate that you now get to go get the

(17:15):
build that's fun without being hamstring. Oh my god, what's
the like you go to Jacksonville. I mean, it's Trevor
Lawrence fixable is you know? All right? I got to
rebuild this whole team here. I get to clean slate
and I'm gonna build, rebuild this whole thing from the
ground up, and I can build a powerhouse. It's playing

(17:38):
you know, uh a franchise mode on Madden or in
college football right like you're actually doing it. That's freaking fun.
And I love where college football. College football's awesome. We
just got done talking about this, you know, all season long.
It's great. Yeah, I want them to tweak the playoff

(17:58):
and everything else, but everything about the sport right now,
it's freaking awesome. It's it's so cool. It's fun. If
I'm Belicheck and being around a college campus, I mean,
there's it's there's there's life. I love college campuses, right uh,

(18:19):
instead of living in you know, a bubble and in
some NFL city, I mean, I don't know, there's there's
way better play. There's Chapel Hill is pretty fun, a
lot of fun.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
I mean, yeah, no, I agree with you every step
of the way. And we used to have this mentality.
The coaches used college to get to the NFL, and
I think probably five ish years ago, they became so
wildly different in a lot of their approach, but also
they became so it became clear that you could make
generational wealth at the same level at the college world

(18:53):
and really live around what is just a very different
experience of the game. So, you know, for me, for
my money, I feel like the last couple of years
would I've had to answer questions to an interviews with
people and they're like, well, is this coach gonna leave
for the NFL. My answer to that has always been,
why if you have a prominent college football gig, you
have an NFL gig. The money's basically the same, and
you're a legend in your town and all of these

(19:14):
things that you just mentioned. I think we sort of
have to change our mindset that one is lower than
the other and understand that they're just they're different iterations
of the same thing. So, you know, frankly now more
than ever, just because herm went to college and didn't
have success. So you know, not every coach is gonna
be willing to put in all of the work necessary
the right way. But I think if you're somebody like Bill,

(19:35):
one thing we have to understand, just like we said
with Brady when he got into the booth, well, Brady's
never gonna do anything half assed. He's gonna put in
the work to do it the right way. We really
think Bill isn't, I mean, the most detail oriented coach
in the history of the game. He's gonna do everything
he can to make sure that he absolutely aces the examine.

Speaker 3 (19:51):
He will. Yeah, that's ridiculous. All right, we're gonna take
quick too. Let's come back. I love the I'm fascinated
by the story. I'm like you, I'm fast day, but
I freaking love it. I just think it's awesome. Let's
get into college football. Got Army Navy today and the
playoff is set. Let's go through some of that where

(20:12):
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Speaker 2 (20:29):
It's the most one time.

Speaker 3 (20:33):
Oh, here're the bets. Brother.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
There's a Will Ferrell skit on this for Saturday Night
Live that if you've never seen, you really should. It's
all I think of when I hear this song.

Speaker 3 (20:47):
You know what, I've never seen it, and I'm gonna
I'm gonna YouTube. I love it. I love it. What's
going on? But you can make me a picture of
the house.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
Uh you know what, the houses this year did look
a little different, but a little different. Decided I was
going to focus on the holiday glow. You know how
often now I sit like so I put like everything's
white light, everything's like dim light. Everything's got like you know,
the c nine bulbs, but there they've got that glow
to them, sort of that Christmas story glow. So now,
like the like the old man, I am, like, I

(21:19):
find myself sitting in the living room when I watch
TV at night, I turn all the lights off in
the whole house because every room has just enough Christmas
lighting in it to make sure that it's got that
little glow going on. Oh it feels good. I mean,
it's just the Christmas spirit feels alive. Well everybody, it
just it feels smiling. I didn't do much outside this year.
I just decided I was going to focus on inside glow.

(21:40):
So there's a piece to it. It's very tranquil, you know,
and maybe maybe this is a this is just me
and my old age at this point, you know. So
I find myself liking to just sit on the couch.

Speaker 3 (21:50):
You know.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
Annabelle's got her usually got her head just sitting on
my lap and we will sit there together and watch
the whole thing. It's it's it's a glorious thing.

Speaker 3 (21:59):
Oh it sounds lovely.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
I sat. I sat in the living room the other
night without the TV on for like an hour, just
in the glow of Christmas. Might have been a little high,
but still I sat in the TV. It was still dude,
how bad?

Speaker 3 (22:12):
How bad a Christmas got me spirit? I mean, that's
that's pretty awesome.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
Yeah, like that this is, you know, because I haven't,
you know, through this whole health journey. I just I
don't drink at this at this point. So I haven't
had alcohol since May, and I don't. I don't miss
it at all. Like there's a part of me that's like, yeah,
I don't know if I'm really like I'm good not drinking.
But this is the time of year where you see
all the recipes are like the just the wild, crazy drinks.

(22:39):
I'm like, oh that sounds great, but I just feel
like i'd have one and then all of a sudden
you'd have to come bail me out of jail. Like
it'd just let's see what happened. So yeah, so instead
the Christmas comings or you know, went went to the
dispensary yesterday and got myself situated for the holiday.

Speaker 3 (22:54):
Let's go, Oh my god. Yeah, listen, floating off into
Christmas Heaven. It's pretty nice, man. That's a that's a
place I like to go.

Speaker 2 (23:06):
Holiday baking championship on the background. That just you know,
just worshiping the cake that I'm not eating. That it's
a whole it's a whole journey.

Speaker 3 (23:16):
That's that's fabulous, man, Are you kidding me? That's I
do love that. I do love this time of year.
I think it's it's my favorite. It's the best. We
had a party last night and uh, you know, went
over some friend's house and it was, uh, you know,
just it was great. Just a bunch of great people

(23:37):
hanging out, you know, a couple of wine, everybody's uh,
you know, in the glow of Christmas. You know, ever
old the house, the house we were at, you know,
decorated like yours. You know, just nice day, you know,
one of those night good nights type of thing.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
Did you did you take food to said party?

Speaker 3 (23:55):
Like? What? What?

Speaker 2 (23:56):
What food was?

Speaker 3 (23:57):
We took a bottle prosecco and uh a, my wife
my wife stopped and got a pie. I guess it
was I forget carrot cake, not a cake she bought.
There's there's a bakery that's really good, so she bought
the carrot cake.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
I become quite the even though I'm not eating it,
I've become quite the Christmas trifle master at this point.
Like the layered dessert. That's the glass bowl, you know,
so not a truffle, but a trifle. And so, you know,
I tried the instagram sensation of the Little Debbies Christmas
snack cake trifle. It was a hit. And then I
did a peppermint brownie bark trifle. Like I'm going to

(24:38):
parties with desserts at this point, I actually.

Speaker 3 (24:41):
Dude, you're making your own. That's pretty freaking awesome.

Speaker 2 (24:45):
I'm I'm Betty Crocker out there, like I got the
I got the trifles.

Speaker 3 (24:51):
Wow, that's.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
Tart rifle. Oh yeah, yeah No. The Parfe family, it's
it's just like a parfet It's.

Speaker 3 (24:59):
So that's a good family, the Parfe family.

Speaker 2 (25:02):
And you know the secret is instead of just the
layers of like whipped cream, it's a layer of cream
cheese icing type whip cream. Like so It's combination cream, cheese,
powdered sugar, and heavy heavy cream, all whipped together in
different stages. Oh, which makes it a little tangy, not
quite as sweet, you know. Extracts extracts man, Yeah, I

(25:22):
mean like, look, I'm gonna show up with a whole
like food cart with the desserts to the Gargana family
and then you can taste test them.

Speaker 3 (25:28):
Tell me I love it, man, I freaking love it.
Oh my god, kids will go nuts over that.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
Look at that same you make the you make the actual,
you make the pasta, I'll make the trifle. There we go.

Speaker 3 (25:41):
Yeah, yeah, listen, Yeah, that's a that's a deal man. Yeah.
I gotta get the fish I did all yeah, I
did a big fish Christmas Eve dinner. All right, So
let's let me uh, let me, let's get one more
thing with the belchick. So I think I answer you

(26:03):
this before. If you could pick one university to go
play Madden, would it be u N l V? Like,
how about Woes our buddy Woes right leaves ESPN to
go run his own basketball program. If you were going

(26:24):
to go run your own football program, would it be
un LV? Where would it pay?

Speaker 2 (26:28):
Yeah? Home run higher by the way from all the
new head coach at UNLV that was that was a
good hire for them. Yes, I would be. I would.
I'm the guy that when I play in franchise mode
on the A Sports I pick you and LV and
I go with it like it's it's and yes, so
one passion for that school.

Speaker 3 (26:49):
Yeah, I would love this. Actually, that's isn't it isn't
that cool? Like where you're you know like that, Like again,
to go there and be able to put your own
stamp on something, it's so freaking awesome, Like I don't
even understand why that's a thing. I'd love to see
the fighting fits.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
He's look, you and LV called me all right, let's
get me. Look I worked for SWAG at this point.
Call me, put me, let me, let me be part
of the program. I will say this. I think one
of the incredible things and we talked a little bit
about this last week, but one of the incredible things
about where college football was gone is that you can
find different programs and find a real path to prominence

(27:33):
that didn't exist two years ago. Like I genuinely believed it,
just as I said earlier, And it's not accidentally I
mentioned Purdue. You know, Odum leaves U and LV for Purdue,
and I understand that he went and got the bag
he should. Every coach would go out and get the
money they can get. I love that. Good for them.
That being said, he had a better chance to the
College Football Playoff every year at UNLV than he will

(27:54):
ever have a Purdue And that's a staggering statement to make.
You know, if you're if you look at the landscape
of the Big Ten, Purdue's gonna have to hope that
they have a miracle season kind of like Indiana has had,
and that they can catch, you know, lightning in a bottle,
make it happen. If you want to build a program
where you can consistently go to the College Football Playoff,
you can do that much easier in the Mountain West.

(28:15):
You can do that easier in the ACC. I just
I continue to look at part of this, this decision
for saving from the the lens of what's North Carolina
football look like. And you can't have that conversation without
at least talking about the coaches that have been fired
in the SEC that only lose two games a year.
The fact that we're sitting here clamoring for Ryan Day's
job at Ohio State. The fact that they were sitting

(28:36):
there saying, well, you know, Frankly, Harborough's gonna get fired
at Michigan because he can't beat Ohiose until he finally
won a national championship. Boy, there was a lot of
yelling for him to get fired. Yess where that doesn't
exist North Carolina, Like, yeah, you got you gotta You
can lose four or five games a year every year
and still be the head coach at North Carolina. So
now you have a program that can win the Power

(28:57):
five or a Power four conference there and they can
make the football playoff. I think they have a pretty
easy path. They have a history of recruiting quarterbacks that
have made it to Sunday, which is a difficult thing
to do, and they add a legend of a head
coach coming in. I just I feel like this is
such a good situation. Nothings can't miss. But this is
such a good situation for Bill to go out and

(29:18):
put his real stamp on a program, to you know,
to integrate, to be able to work with his son,
we presume is going to happen, to be able to
work with his buddies to not have to sit here
and justify the control he wants or why he wants
to do what he wants to do. Like such a
good situation for him and not for nothing. I think
the success is going to be there.

Speaker 3 (29:37):
Yeah, dude, I think so too. I think you're I
think you're spot on that I do. I think you're
spot on. So let me ask you this. So let's
go to reverse and let's say you're Jacksonville. I don't
think Jacksonville will go this route because they got burned before.

(30:00):
But just go with me here. So you're Marcus Freeman
and the Jaguars are calling. Do you leave or do
you stay at Notre Dame. I stay at Notre Dame?
So do why? Why? Jackans?

Speaker 2 (30:21):
If you're going to Jacksonville, you're just another coach that's
going to be there for three or four years and
be fired. You know, it's it's a revolving door. You
don't have the same level of Yeah, you've got an
NFL job, but the money's not going to be substantially different.
It is the if you're into fame, if you're into
I want to be I want to be a football
coach at the highest level. Do the Jacks feel like

(30:42):
they're a higher level than Notre Dame. I don't think so.

Speaker 3 (30:46):
So not even close.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
All of this for Freeman makes a ton of sense.
The only reason I would leave Notre Dame for Jacksonville
is if I thought Notre Dame was gonna fire man.
I just don't think that we're anywhere near that with
Marcus Freeman, Like he's not in protect my gig mode
and go out and you know, show off to the world.

Speaker 3 (31:03):
Moude, all right, I got another one for it, Giants
or Notre Dame.

Speaker 2 (31:09):
That one's I would still stay at Notre Dame personally,
but I see why a lot of people would want
to go to the to the Giants. I guess it
still has that. I mean, the hell we've been. They've
been cramming the Giants down our throat week in and
week out, even though they stink this year. So you
know you're you're all you're the coach of the Giants.

(31:29):
I would stay with note I frankly, I would stay
with Notre Dame. I don't think if you're telling me
that I'm leaving Notre Dame, I'm leaving Notre Dame for
the Cowboys. I'm leaving Notre Dame for you know, one
of the ultimate Oh my god, I can't believe I
got that gig. Like, if I was Dan Hurley, I
would have left Yukon for the Lakers, because it's the Lakers,
Like I think there are certain certain spots that makes sense.

(31:52):
The Giants, aren't that. The Giants ain't that the Giants
like the Knicks. You don't leave for the Knicks, sorry,
Knicks fans.

Speaker 3 (31:57):
Really yeah, I mean the next to Garden, you know,
New York.

Speaker 2 (32:05):
But this is the thing that like, so I hear
you in the Garden. I remember when we played. This
is such a humble, brackstory to say it this way,
but when we played, the Garden was sold out. I
remember I was much older than most of the people
in the band, right, and we walked in and I
was so like, it's on my arm, my right arm
the moments I'm proud of stuff the Madison Square Garden
logo arm because I love that place so much. And

(32:28):
we played it, and I remember as we were getting
off the like walking backstage, remember a couple of the
guys like, man, this place is a dump. And the
next night we played Barclays because we were doing like
a Victoria's Secret thing there and we walked into Barclays
and one of the guys was like, now, this is
an arena. And I kept thinking about the fact that
if you are of a certain age, which I am,

(32:48):
the Madison Square Garden has history to you. And so suddenly,
like walking around the garden and seeing the old WrestleMania
stuff in the concourse and the Jordan's stuff in the concourse,
you just see all of that and it's like, my God,
Like I'm going down to the garden tonight to see
some college basketball. So like going to the Garden is
such a special thing for me. I don't believe that

(33:08):
going to the Garden is particularly special for a lot
of young people that just don't. All they know is
a next team that has sucked for most of time.
So like, if you're from the area, sure, But if
you're a kid that right now is you know, growing
up in you know, the middle of Kansas or you're
growing up in California, does being in New York really
mean that much? I don't know. It's a global world now, man,

(33:30):
I just I don't think that it has the same
draw to to people under the age let's say, of
forty than they used to have.

Speaker 3 (33:39):
Yeah, dude, I don't know why that would be. I mean,
you got to it's the garden. I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
But if you're a basketball fan and you're thirty, you've
seen three good knixt seasons in your life, so like,
it's the garden. But when was the last moment? Like,
if you've been.

Speaker 3 (33:57):
One, intellectually, you gotta you gotta still appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
I think so. I think so to a certain extent.
But I do think that Yeah.

Speaker 3 (34:06):
Walk play Center. Get the hell out here with that place.
That place blows. I hate that place. Fake me out
storylind Brooklyn gave me a break. That place blows.

Speaker 2 (34:20):
I think that there's you know, there is a level
of and this is interesting to me. We'll use Christmas
as this example. I was working with somebody. I'll tell
you this Christmas.

Speaker 3 (34:29):
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story all right, we have to quick you up. I
always forget man, We just go, we just go run
through it. Where the fellas from the ti raq dot
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Speaker 2 (34:56):
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Speaker 3 (34:57):
Two fellas j Anthony Gargana from the tire Rack dot
Com studios. All right, so we were talking about this, uh,
this idea. If you're Marcus Freeman, who's getting go to
get court? And if you're Marcus Freeman, where you do
you go? Where do you go? So we both agreed
that you go you stay in Notre Dame before you

(35:18):
go into Jaguars. And then it's like, all right, well
what about New York? And then you brought up the
guard right because you're talking about the giants, and then
you've got a story. Now I need to hear the story.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
So here's the thing. Everybody does this at Christmas time.
You do your power rankings of Christmas movies, right, like
this is his regular sports radio content.

Speaker 3 (35:40):
Right.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
So I was doing a show on ESPN at the time,
and it wasn't a radio show, it was on a
different format, and we were doing our power rankings of
Christmas movies. I don't remember how many, however many there were,
but I went deep dive on minds. I like to
make mine a little different different, and I included I
think it was White Christmas or Holiday, and I remember
remember Bush, but I included one of the old timing

(36:02):
movies because I wanted to give us a different angle
of discussion. And I remember some of the people that
I was working with who are younger than I am
immediately had never seen the movie and weren't really familiar
with the movie. And I made the comment, well, it's
out on Netflix, like, just go check it out, like
it's a classic Christmas movie. And the answer resounding that
I got from everybody is no, I'm not going to

(36:23):
go watch an old Christmas movie. That's just never going
to happen. And I got into sort of a deep
dive conversation with some of the younger people I was
working with at the time, again many of them in
their twenties, for example, about the difference how there are
so many people in the world that are young that
will turn around and say, you know, to the older group,
why aren't you watching current music or current movies or

(36:44):
listening to current music and all these things, And so
there's an expectation for society to remain current. There is
not the same expectation anymore for that same society to
remain historic, even though it's easier than ever, Like if
you want to know who the Beatles are, there on
Apple Music and Spotify and you could go check him
out every single day, But it's harder and harder to

(37:05):
get people to give a damn about any of the
historical stuff that got us to where we are when
it comes to entertainment, particularly, So I think when I
say that part of the reason that New York just
doesn't have the appeal. And New Yorkers crushed me for
this every time I say it, because there's this belief that, well, yeah,
it does. I don't think it does. And so if
you're a twenty five year old athlete right now, you know,

(37:28):
and it might be different from Marcus Freeman, he is
a little bit older than I'm talking about age group wise,
But if you're a twenty five year old athlete, you
don't know successful New York sports. So everybody talks about like,
you don't know successful Giants football like it was when
I was a kid. You don't know successful Nicks like
it was when I was a kid. All you know
is that it's a place like frankly, you're gonna walk

(37:49):
into this pizza place you're gonna go to get a slice,
and the guy's gonna give you a grief for the
way you played last night for what. Like, I just
don't think historical context matters as much to the younger
generation I've worked with. So I don't feel like there's
as much of a poult of cities like New York
that we think there should be.

Speaker 3 (38:07):
Wow, So you think the great American city thing is dead?

Speaker 2 (38:13):
Oh god, yah, I mean one hundred percent. Like I
grew up in New York every weekend of my life
and four days a week for a while. Like I
was in New York for much of my childhood once
I got into Juilliard and the Humble Brack. And the
one thing I would say is when I was in
New York. Again it was this late eighties, early nineties,
But when I was in New York, there wasn't a
ma season every city. You had to go to New York.

Speaker 3 (38:35):
For certain things.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
Now, when you go into the city, I said, I'm
going in there tonight. When you go into the city,
what is truly different about New York than what we saw? Really?

Speaker 3 (38:44):
Like, I'm with you that you know you're obviously you
got everything's homogenized, right because you know, you know, technology
brings us closer, more similar and everything else. However, if
you set foot in New York City, I mean I

(39:06):
used to work there.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
I mean one of my favorite places in the world.
I just took.

Speaker 3 (39:09):
The energy is unmatched in like Chicago. I love New
York is di vibes. It's just it's completely different. It's
unlike any other place. When you just set foot Manhattan,
you're Manhattan. I mean, come on, there's it's way different.

(39:30):
It's incredible.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
Look, I love the city. I'm biased for the city.
I don't think that it necessarily has the same standout
draw against other American cities that it did thirty years ago.

Speaker 3 (39:42):
All Right, I'll hold that thought to great, great thought.
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iHeartRadio app. All right, so we're talking a lot about
obviously the Belchick story, and you know, we're kind of
going into the coaching. Soon the season will be over,

(40:56):
it will be Black Monday, the playoffs we're ready to begin,
and teams will be starting looking for coaches, teams of
evolved Black Monday guys get fired and here you go.
This is gonna be the list. We're gonna need maybe
seven new coaches. And so we're talking about this like
if you're if you're Freeman, Marcus Freeman from Notre Dame,

(41:19):
do you leave to go to the NFL And what's
more prestigious, Notre Dame or the NFL. And then we
got this discussion about American cities because we're off the Giants.
So the Giants job. If that's available, do you go
to the Giants or you stay Notre Dame. And I

(41:39):
still think I still think the Giants had a lot
of cachet. But where you had this point where you
think New York, New York City is dead, it's I.

Speaker 2 (41:56):
Don't want to say it's da I mean, look again,
it's look, I love the energy of the city. Sure,
Like I again, I got the Madison Square Garden tattoo
on my arm, like I'm going into the city tonight,
you know, for Yukon Gonzaga, all right, So like I'm
I'm all also magic of the city, Like I'm all
in for the magic of the city. I don't think

(42:17):
for a lot of people, I don't think it holds
the same cachet. Now, I don't. I think so much
of what New York is can be found in so
many places that you know, it's just a matter of
do you love the energy do you hate the energy?
I could live in New York that certainly. But I
don't think that the average person right now is looking
at like I don't think Marcus Freeman is saying, oh
my god, but it's New York like I just I

(42:39):
don't think that.

Speaker 3 (42:40):
That you know so because of and maybe this is
more of a social media thing, but you don't feel
like New York is and the media capital of the
world anymore.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
I don't think that the monetization capabilities of being in
the media capital of the world are so much stronger
than the rest of where they are anymore. Like it
used to be, if you were a superstar player for
the Kansas City Chiefs, nobody would know who you were
in the eighties. In the nineties, you had a hard
time getting ad deals. If you were the superstar quarterback
at the Kansas City Chiefs, you weren't the same level

(43:14):
like you had to be Joe Montana coming from the
forty nine ers to to the Chiefs for people to
pay attention to who your quarterback was. Now you can
be Patrick Mahomes and you can be just fine wherever
you play. Same reason, I don't buy the same argument
that people give me all the time about well you
should take less if you're the Cowboys quarterback, really because
I'm pretty sure that you can make a ton of
sponsorship money basically anywhere. So now with social media and

(43:39):
the ability, I mean, you could be an influencer no
matter where you live, Like that's just the city. In
a work from home society, we've sort of we've taken
a lot of the draw of the media capital out.
I just I mean, I lived two hours from there,
and I just don't I don't feel like you have
to be in New York to be a media sensation anymore.

Speaker 3 (44:01):
You know what I mean. You bring up good points,
but I don't know, I still think there is a
cachet about the city. I don't know, maybe just because
I don't know, I don't know. You and I you know,
probably you know, spent as much till we were together.
You and I were together in New York City.

Speaker 2 (44:22):
And we didn't even know it where we first met. Well, now,
oh yeah we weren't. No, you're right, person, Yeah, I
mean that was that was that's it's a beautiful thing.
I mean, there's no doubt about it. But now, like
it's no different than Look, it used to be the
only way if you're if you're you like like me,
you like you know, funk o pop and like, you know,

(44:43):
pop culture toys and things like that, if you're into
that sort of thing. It used to be, man, I
gotta get to comic Con. I gotta get Comma and
then you know New York Comic Con, or I got
to get San Diego comic Con. Now that every city
in America seems like it's their own comic con, Like
it's just once something is successful in one place, it's
to absolutely everybody, And so it takes away the need

(45:04):
to be in one place to have the world at
your fingertips. That's the beautiful thing about you know, growing
up in Vegas and spending time in New York and
even now what Nashville is is those places have everything.
But one of the not quite so beautiful things about
like there used to be something special outlanding in California
and being like, oh man, I'm gonna go to In
and Out Burger. That's what everybody does. Well, now you

(45:25):
can go to in and Out Burger almost everywhere, right,
Like you go to Texas, You're like, well, I'm going
to go to water Burger. Well now you can get
water Burger everywhere. Like we as a society because we
love to put whatever is popular absolutely everywhere for everybody.
It just you don't have to be in any one
place for anything anymore.

Speaker 3 (45:44):
Can't get an Angelo's cheese steak anywhere.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
That's fair now that you've said that, though, like when
we're done, you might want to figure out how to
market that and like just start selling those franchises. Like
there was a bar. There's just a dive bar in
Nashville that when it first opened up was super popular,
still is to this day, I guess. But Tin Roof
and I'll never forget. Like I used to go to
Tin Roof all the time, and then one day I'm

(46:07):
in San Diego and all the covers like is that
a Tin Roof? Like there was nothing about Tin Roof
that I ever thought, Oh, this is gonna become a
franchise all over the country. And now they got Tin
Roofs everywhere, Like it's just that's what they do once
it's successful, one place to put it everywhere.

Speaker 3 (46:23):
Yeah, but I don't know, man, I.

Speaker 2 (46:26):
Can get Junior's cheesecake at every grocery store in America.

Speaker 3 (46:29):
Like yeah, but there's but there's a there's a cheapness
about that. There's a fugazy thing about that. I mean, listen,
I'm not saying if not everybody's cup of tea, all right,
so that I understand like, if you go, you tell
me yo, and I'm not going to New York. It's

(46:51):
one giant rat infested hassle, right, I mean, I get it.
I can't argue. I mean that kind of city life
is for everybody, right now. I mean, listen, I lived there,
I worked there. I was also in my twenties, so
it was a different kind of animal. But you know,

(47:15):
I mean, I like, I get it. I just I
still think. I guess it pains me and I don't know.
I mean, you might be right. That's why I'm deferringa
here a little bit. But if that's the case, it
pains me a little bit because I think the vibe
is still different. Like part of the great and part
of the magic of our country is that there's still

(47:41):
interesting places like New York is different from Chicago, which
is different from Los Angeles, right, which is different from
Dallas and Miami, Like the cities have their own personality
and Flairton, you got to you're gonna tell me that
New York has just lost all of its and maybe

(48:05):
you know, listen, I will say this post COVID, like
COVID killed the city. It's going to take a lot
for the American City to come back and it will.
Everything's life cyclical, but COVID killed it's time being.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
There's a small element of this logic if you have
but if you win in New York people say that
all the time, and now I think honestly, if you
win for any major, if you win, it's if you If.

Speaker 3 (48:35):
You win to Jacksonville, it means the same as winning
New York.

Speaker 2 (48:39):
Man, if we if we had said years ago that
Kansas City, the Kansas City Chiefs would be who the
Kansas City Chiefs are right now? I know the Chiefs
have had success, but the Chiefs have never been a
notable brand. And the NFL flat out admitted in their
last owners meetings in January that the Chiefs at this
point had become just like the Cowboys. Everything that they
program absolutely smashed. They they admitted that at the beginning

(49:02):
of the year when they talked.

Speaker 3 (49:03):
About their ye every dynasty, I mean, the Patriots have
their thing.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
But that's the point. The I mean, Mahomes right now
is is living breathing proof that if you win in
Kansas City, man, you it's Kansas City and you're still
Mahomes is the biggest star in the league. He's the
face of the league. He doesn't have to football.

Speaker 3 (49:23):
NFL is different. It's the NFL is a place. It's
a great place where green Bay can exist. I'd be
a dynasty.

Speaker 2 (49:32):
Yeah, but the if you win at an alarming level,
Golden State, you become absolutely a household name. Yes. Like
the counter to this is Jokic. I don't think Kic
will ever get the attention in Denver that he would
like to. That is a fair That is a really
fair point that you know, I've counted my own argument here,
but you know, Jokic, certain point.

Speaker 3 (49:52):
There a good point. Theretique arguing against yourself.

Speaker 2 (49:57):
Yoga is sort of the living, eating, breathing proof of
the opposite. But man, I don't I don't like Win's
above replacement value added things that we always talk about,
like is there so much value added if you're if
you're a coach, Like at this point, does the market
matter or does the structure of the organization matter more?
The structure or or the organization matters way more to

(50:17):
me than the market. And the market is good as
the you know, the media market of New York might be.
The organizational structure just doesn't consistently win, so I'd.

Speaker 3 (50:27):
Rather I'd rather well, to your point, look at the
you know, you had Coughlin who had some success, and
they have two Super Bowls, right with Eli. But they
were kind of weird too. They were they were done,
you know, kind of in freakish in a freakish matter.

(50:49):
But over the last ten years they're pretty barren.

Speaker 2 (50:55):
Once you once you go through a long period of
being bad, like look, you're the Giants, you never irrelevant
and that's the difference. I will say that the floor
is much lower for Jacksonville. That will then it will
ever be for the Giants. The Giants will still be
on national TV, you know, six times a year, even
when they suck. But the ceiling, I don't I don't

(51:16):
think the ceiling is particularly the NFL. I don't think
the ceiling is drastically different, you know, and it's I
don't think that's a bad thing, by the way, I
don't think it's if you're sudor Sanders, you know, do
you want to will it make a huge difference whether
you go to the Giants or the Raiders. Maybe, But
if you win a bunch of Super Bowls, that's what's

(51:37):
really gonna ultimately make you rich, Like if you want
to talk about what's going to make you generationally wealthy,
you know, I think as much as we want to
sit here and say, well, look at Eli, look at Eli. Okay,
Eli is a great example of what happens when your
brother's Peyton, Like, I don't think that Eli would be
nearly the media's and sat He's not a media sensation
because he's was the quarterback of the Giants. He's immediates

(51:59):
to say because his last name is Manning.

Speaker 3 (52:03):
Yeah, you know, ugly, I guess, I guess I was more.
I mean, I think football is a little different. I mean,
I know where we got into this conversation, but what
got me was when you said that New York has
basically lost its panache. And I'm thinking you're saying that period, like,

(52:28):
not just outside of football, right, not just in football?

Speaker 2 (52:32):
I do Yeah, No, I think I think New York
has lost. So I'll stand on this. I'll plant that flag, like, yes,
I don't think going into the city is not this
once in a lifetime, oh my god thing that it
was twenty years ago. It just I mean, my god,
I know it's times square and times square is times square,
but like the Chili's is a Chili's. Like, I don't

(52:53):
care if it's the world's largest TGI Fridays or not,
it's still a TGI Fridays. Like, so, you know, it's
just it's it's it is somebody that goes into the
city often, it's just so much of what is offered
there is offered everywhere else.

Speaker 3 (53:07):
Yeah, but what's not offered there is that energy that
you can't find just because of the sheer size of
the skyscrapers and the sah and the population. I mean,
it's an experience that's unto itself. And it's different than Chicago,
which is another huge city, which is an incredible city

(53:31):
and its own I lived in both of them. I
think they're both unique. And I don't know, I'm a
big lover of the city, so maybe that's kind of it.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
Yeah, And I do agree with you the people make
all of these places different. Like what makes us South
different than you know the North. Having lived in both
for extensive amounts of time, is less about the offerings
and more about just the people, like and their approached
to so much in life, Like, I think that's one
of the beautiful things, like the growing up in the
West Coast and then moving north and south. In my life,

(54:05):
I've lived in three very different areas people wise, and
I think that's one of the beautiful things about our
country is that, like there really is a spot for everybody,
depending on the pace that you want to live at
and the the sort of way you want to approach day,
day in and day out life. And you're right, there
isn't there is an energy in the vibe to you know,
when I when I finished it the game tonight, I'm

(54:26):
not just gonna leave. I'm gonna walk around the city
even though it's two in the morning, because that's you know,
fun to do right there. You can't do that in Paducah, Kentucky.
That is not lost on me. So I just don't
know that for everybody that's the same. Oh my god,
draw and you know that it was. It didn't used
to just be the people. It used to be the
people and the offerings and the things you couldn't find anywhere.

Speaker 3 (54:47):
But let's face it, though, you know you're not getting
the level of like if you want to go and
take a Kilmary trip, you ain't getting what you can
get Manhattan. Then you're getting everywhere else.

Speaker 2 (55:03):
I mean this is where as of a couple of
years ago, I can't speak to right now, but as
of a couple of years ago, there were more James
Beard Award winning chefs with restaurants in Nashville than New
York because rent On restaurants had gotten so cheap.

Speaker 3 (55:15):
Okay, I mean, I mean there's other places that that have,
you know, good quality restaurants. I'm not going to dispute that.
But you know, the sheer volume in New York City
of like top incredible places to eat is something that's
unique to it. I mean, you're not getting so you

(55:39):
can go down to Nashville and there's four or five
places that you go, oh my god, look this is
the great everybody like. But but in New York City,
you're going to get uh in every every type of cuisine,
right with every different nationality. You're you're not getting that natural.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
Phil No, maybe not to that same extent, But I
don't think there's a huge I honestly don't think there's
a huge difference. I also don't think there's a huge
difference between the food scene and New York and Chicago
that you've mentioned, or the food scene in New York
or the Vegas Strip where everybody has a restaurant like
if you if you want fine dining, like you can
get that anywhere now, like that's no.

Speaker 3 (56:21):
But my point is you can't get that anywhere now.
I mean I there are places like, yeah, there's incredible
places in Chicago. But that's what makes those big cities
unique to themselves. Vegas is Vegas, right, like you know.

Speaker 2 (56:34):
They play unique in that it's nothing, nothing is unique there,
Like they just bring everything from everywhere.

Speaker 3 (56:40):
Yeah, right from a Miffel tower to some chef. You
can get whatever you want. I feel you on that.
But my point is there is still a uniqueness about
the great American city and a and allure. Listen, I'm

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I already I already admit it's not for everybody. So
I blame me right now this moment in my life
with two kids. I mean, I could live in New York.
There's no way right like this, you know, I live
in Jersey in a suburb now, like I lived in
the city of Philadelphia, which I loved, but you know,

(57:20):
it's not for everybody either, and in much lesser kind
of way. And now I live in a suburb because
I got two children and it's it's easy. Well, the
point is, if you're a coach, you can't tell me
that it doesn't matter, and you don't think it matters.

Speaker 2 (57:40):
Yeah, I don't think. I think if you're a coach
or you're an athlete at the highest end, what you're
looking at, Like if you're Bill Belichick, for example, just
as a random example, you're making ten million dollars a
year North Carolina. I mean, look, you're gonna have nobody's
gonna bother you when you go to get your slice
of pizza and tell you that you're a bum for
the way that your team played over the course of that.

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You have easy transport to and from wherever you're gonna
get to. In the process of it, you don't pay
the highest jock tax in the country, so your ten
million dollars goes fast farther. There's no cost of living
issues that you have in a place like that. Like
you start to add all of these things up and
you look at it and say, my god, like there
used to be if you wanted to make it, Like,

(58:22):
if you can make it here, you can make it anywhere.
Like we we hell, we end the show every week
with Sinatra talking about my way, and like so much
of that is ingrained in New York. If you're a
coach now, you can be the biggest of the you
can be the greatest coach of all time in you know,
at the time random Foxboro, Massachusetts. You can be the

(58:44):
greatest coach of all time in Kansas City like you,
And you're making the same money, if not more, and
you don't have all the other issues with it. If
I'm Marcus Freeman, you want me to go from Notre
Dame to New York, You're gonna have to pay me
forty percent more and get me to think about it,
like it's just so, there isn't just there isn't enough great,

(59:05):
There isn't enough replacement. What's above replacement? Difference between the profile,
the attention, the money, the life, like all of those
things start to stack up. I just don't think I
don't think it has that same draw anymore.

Speaker 3 (59:19):
All right, Uh, my man might be Mark, our Sam
engineer who's from Chicago, wants to chime in.

Speaker 5 (59:26):
Mark, I was just thinking, when we mentioned New York
LA Chicago, there has a certain status, that's a certain
one two three about it. And when you mentioned New
York and its status. It's like to me mentioning a
movie star. There's a certain standard and nothing has come

(59:49):
close to deadening or weakening that status of if you're
in New York, these things happen and it's so great
that it's just a certain and that comes with it.
And it's like the Big Three Chicago, l A, I
mean New York, l A, Chicago, they've had that certain
standard about themselves. They're all up on a certain line,

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a certain standard of things, and that doesn't fade after time.
It's like talking about a movie star. They have a
certain status and that's that's there is a standard line
and it doesn't weaken after after time.

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
I think there's there's a fair point there that you
know everything that everything that's executed there is executed to
you know, at least in theory, a certain a certain standard.
And I think also it's when it's when you're in
a place it's as tough, you know, cost of living wise,
to make it as you know, LA Chicago, New York.
You have to be really good at everything. Like I
will agree with that too, Like you have to be

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you better be putting out the best product because you
know you're competing so much for every single dollar. Yeah,
I think that's that's probably fair.

Speaker 3 (01:00:57):
And you can't just gloss over the role of COVID
too cold, COVID crippled American cities.

Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
Yeah, I agree. I agree with that one thousand percent.

Speaker 3 (01:01:12):
It's interesting, great discussion, FITZI where the fellas, and uh,
we're going to get back to our college football discussion,
and and and we've got to get to the NFL.
We got so much football the cover man, I'm loving
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Speaker 3 (01:01:51):
Live fellas hanging out Now that one. I'm not a
big fan of Mark. It's beautiful, it's beautiful. But fifty
are you back? Yeah, it's a beautiful one. But I
like the upbeat ones. You agree, Okay, I'm sorry. Uh,
We're gonna have fifty back in a second. I like
the the I mean it's a beautiful, beautiful song, but

(01:02:14):
I like the the upbeat ones. You know, that's a
little a little too Mordland for me. All Right, Anyway,
we gotta get to a lot of stuff that's going
on right now, and let's uh, let's go back to
the playoff and where we stay. Actually, you know what

(01:02:35):
we're gonna I want to go back to I want
to start NFL from Thursday, and then we're gonna get
into the college football plays. I'm dying to talk about
these games. But we just had note the Rams and Niners,
and it's amazing because you know, you look at that

(01:02:57):
game and it was actually one of the best twelves
games you're ever going to watch. If you go back
and watch that game, there's a couple of plays that
I think that killed the Niners won the debo drop
early inside the five, he it's if he if he
catches it, they're gonna go into the end zone and
they're gonna get the seven. And it was really let

(01:03:20):
me bleed the clock. It was actually brilliant coaching on
McVeigh and the play calling down the stretch was fantastic.
But that San Francisco team, you just can't overcome all
those injuries. Like you know, when you lose Greenlaw, green
Law comes in and the defense looks completely different when

(01:03:41):
he's in the game, and then he's gassed and then
you realize, oh, man, like that's a huge hole and
Kyen Williams is able to eat and then you're and
you're there. So, uh, you know it was it was
an interesting one, but that's going to croak them. I

(01:04:03):
you know, it's funny. I was listening to and a
lot of people were talking about uh party and you
know debo and where the look when you have that
kind of upheaval at running back and you're losing guys
left and right. I mean, that thing was that thing
was doomed. I don't think you could survive all the

(01:04:23):
injuries they have and then you know, got no Trent Williams.
I mean, you just can't. Let you can't. You really
cannot look at this thing without those injuries as a
part of the equation. I mean, clearly so. But on

(01:04:46):
the flip side, the Rams are alive. The Rams are
a sneaky team, so we'll find out. So here here's
you know, the pecking order. I think it's pretty clear
in the NFC Lions, and the Lions got the Bills,
and I think the Lions are gonna win. I think

(01:05:08):
the Lions put on that statement on Sunday and I
think the Lions win. I think they went pretty pretty
big too. I think they're one. I think the Eagles
are two Eagles of the Steelers. That's a real good
test for him. They're big thing, and this goes back

(01:05:28):
to Deebo and Purdy, but their big thing is can
the passing game get on their kind of get going,
because it really hasn't. I mean, they smartly changed their
dynamic of who they are to a downhill running team.
When they had an early by they were two and two,

(01:05:52):
the players got in Sirianni's ear. Sirianti himself knew this,
he knew what he was looking at, and they had
to dial back the pass game, go all in on
Saquon Barkley, and their defense got really good, and so

(01:06:12):
they became this downhill run defense. They played complimentary football.
They were able to play good d run the ball,
and that's where they're at now. The talk of Philadelphia
because AJ Brown was upset he's not getting getting the ball.
He's like, where do we he was asked the question
where do they need to improve? He said the passing game,

(01:06:36):
and of course that set up like a little wildfire
in Philadelphia this week. A lot of drama is AJ Brown.
Now Jalen Hurts is the godfather to AJ Brown's daughter,
so they were very good friends. And Brandy Graham, who's Hurt,
on a radio show says that, well, you know they're beefing,

(01:06:59):
basically paraphrasing that there's a there's a beef between the two.
The relationships not the same. And then everybody was like,
oh my god. And I know AJ Brown a little bit.
He's not a diva at all. This isn't in our
neck of the woods. We were scarred with the fighting
between Terrell Owens and Dominan McNabb. This isn't that situation.

(01:07:26):
But they got to play. They got to throw the
ball better. I mean, Heurts has not played well, and
that's the truth. They've won nine in a row, like
they've rolled. They're on this epic winning streak and they
look great. But Hurts has been buying large a passenger

(01:07:46):
FITSI yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (01:07:48):
Don't disagree with that. Frankly, they got to get this
worked out. I'm a little surprised that Graham said anything
publicly about it. I know he's walked the comments back
a little bit, but it just the It's because if
we were applying a universal standard that we can't apply.
If a quarterback came out in the middle of a
winning streaker was like, well, I need to they need
to let me throw the ball more, we would crush

(01:08:10):
that quarterback. So a wide receiver coming out during a
winning streak and saying I need the ball more. But
I also understand that if you're a J Brown, you
believe that you know, frankly, you're a huge part of
why this team is going to win a Super Bowl.
So you want to send that message loud and clear.
So I think that you just got to figure this out.
They've got to find some rhythm. They've got to find
some passing rhythm, get Brown involved early, and get him

(01:08:34):
fed enough to make sure that everybody knows that. The
hard part of this is that when we talk about touches,
not all touches are created equal in the sense that
you could sit here. I've heard people say, well, you know,
certainly there are enough plays in the game. There aren't
the way the Eagles control the clock. I mean, there
aren't the way the drive counts work out. It's not
like they're sitting here giving his touches to someone else

(01:08:55):
that isn't deserving. It's just, man, there just haven't been
as many snaps. So when we look at some of
the other teams that have found a better split, I
think we have to acknowledge, like look at snapcount as
a real stat in this that it's hard to feed
all these mouths. They'll get figured out. Though I'm not
worried about Philadelphia.

Speaker 3 (01:09:12):
Well, let me ask you a question. Isn't it fair
if aj believe, if Brown believes that there's an issue
with the pass game and that ultimately, if you're playing
Detroit you need to win, You're gonna need the pass
game to win the game. And the truth of the

(01:09:34):
matter is hurts isn't guy hasn't been good. No, he's
been He misses guys repeatedly. He is slow on his reads.
I mean, he's got the best, he's got a great
offensive line, maybe the best in football. He's got two

(01:09:55):
great receivers in AJ Brown and Devonte Smith, who also
has not complain, but it's been frustrated about not getting
any kind of volume, and he's got a great running
back in Barkley. I mean, there's no reason why this
offense shouldn't be a machine like the Lions.

Speaker 2 (01:10:16):
You could argue pretty easily without much blowback, that Jalen
Hurts has the best situation for any quarterback in the NFL.
So I do think that part of why we are
gonna be hard on him, it should be hard of
him on him, is that when I like to always
call him the yabbuts, when you're stacking up the yeah
but about the Eagles, find me the one because Jalen

(01:10:40):
Hurts is the yabutt. And that's the interesting part of
this is that when you think you have solved the
quarterback situation moving forward, the expectation is that the quarterback
will never then be part of the question again. And
he is certainly part of the question considering how good
the weapons are. Like we sit here and talk about,
you know, could any quarterback be successful under Shanahan and

(01:11:01):
with the forty nine ers and what's that mean for
brock Party. I would argue that you plug most capable
starting quarterbacks into the Philadelphia Eagles, they are going to
have tremendous success because of the weapons, the offensive line,
everything that you've mentioned, Like, there's just a lot there
for a quarterback to feast with. So I do think
it's fair to look at and say, hey, quarterbacks shouldn't
be part of the question mark. And the fact that

(01:11:21):
he is makes this equation really uncomfortable for Philly.

Speaker 3 (01:11:24):
Yeah. I mean, and that's where the worry comes in,
you know, I mean quite frankly, because you have people go,
well and listen, do I think that am I writing
them off? No? Am I telling him they got to
replace the quarterback?

Speaker 2 (01:11:38):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:11:40):
But you know, he hasn't been the saint now. The
guy wins, so you could like where I think he is.
He's a winner. He like when he's playing his best football,
he's playing a point guard style of football, which is
you know, quick hitter here rpo play action, running for

(01:12:03):
a first down on third and four, right, taking a
deep shot to Brown Like that's kind of that's when
he's playing his best football. But he had like that
game he had against Kansas City and the Super Bowl
where he was darting the ball up and down the field.
I haven't seen that since then now, and since then,
they have played him differently, They have made they have

(01:12:25):
pressured him. He is he holds onto the ball the
longest in the NFL. Like, yeah, you gotta get rid
of the ball. You gotta make go for your progressions quicker.
Like you know, I think he's uncomfortable in the center,
and I get it because he's smaller, But I think
that would help. I think play action. They have to

(01:12:46):
lean in more in the play action. Just watch the
way Goff the way you know Goff is in some
great uh you know, quarterback specimen. But if you look
at that team that leans in on Montgomery and Gibbs
and it goes into play action, boom, Now you're going
to Laporta and Brown and Williams right like now you're

(01:13:07):
doing that. Look at the Rams and how they utilize
play action with Stafford. Yeah, and the.

Speaker 2 (01:13:15):
Hard part is to do that. You do have to.
The one that you said earlier is he's not processing
quickly to do any of the things that we're talking about.
You really got to help your quarterback's got to be
on fire sea in the field. Processing quickly hurts, isn't.
I don't know how you fix that, you know what
I mean? At this point in this season. I don't
know how you suddenly get that the mental part of
it simplified for him to be able to process faster.

Speaker 3 (01:13:36):
Now, I don't know. I like, I'm with you. And
that's and my only point in discussing this is that's
all A J. Brown. I don't think A J. Brown
was being a devon. I know, I know everybody think,
oh out he said that the quarterback blah blah blah blah,
they're winning on a winning streak. He's just going, well,
you know, we've got to make sure that's bunting up

(01:13:57):
because at some point you got to throw the ball.

Speaker 2 (01:14:01):
Yeah, and you're right, you got to throw the ball. Well,
going into this playoffs, like, you're gonna have to be
able to win no matter what. They're gonna take away
that they're gonna find your weakness the Lions being they
in this playoff, that the line, the difference between the
Lions and the Eagles is so thin right now. The
margin is so thin. Gotta find a way to fix.

Speaker 3 (01:14:21):
This quickly, especially if you if you have to play
in the Dome, Like if you've got them in Philadelphia,
I think the Eagles could beat them running the football right,
But if you're playing in the Dome, you're gonna have
to throw it because they're gonna they're gonna score as
good as Eagles defenses. You're they're gonna score where the
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Is from Thetireraq dot com studios. Jason Fitz, Anthony Garganttle
hanging out. So let me ask you if you agree
with this. So I look at in the NFCA. Could
Detroit clearly won Eagles still two? I think you gotta
go Vikings Packers almost like three A, three B and

(01:15:25):
I and I like Seattle, and Seattle showed me stuff
like they went and you know, you beat Arizona and
they beat them really from start to finish. But the Rams.
I still got the one eye on the Rams because
I just think they're dangerous. I think that offense, if
they could protect Stafford and it's such a balanced offense,

(01:15:45):
I think they're dangerous.

Speaker 2 (01:15:47):
Yeah. No, they're definitely dangerous. I don't know that they're
deep enough for talented enough to hang with some of
the teams you just mentioned, but one any given Sunday, Yeah,
I feel pretty good about it. Seattle is interesting to
me in that divisi because they were inconsistent. They're not
inconsistent right now, Like they're playing really strong football and
they're doing it without Kenneth Walker, the third being a

(01:16:08):
vital part of this. Right now, Charmona has really stepped
up for him, and you know, they're ahead of schedule
for where I thought they would be on Michael McDonald's
defense because that you know, well coached. Yeah, Ravens players
admitted at the time that it took a couple of
years to really get a feel for that defensive scheme.
I think Seattle's doing a nice job with that. So,
you know, I still think Seattle is in a really

(01:16:30):
good situation. But I'm with you if we're just talking
about who we're scared of the Rams. Anytime you've got
a quarterback that can play to that level and the
weapons that they have, I think it's been a really
good It's a statement season for them that there hasn't
been a drop off I expected.

Speaker 3 (01:16:47):
Yeah, I'm only important is I kind of don't want to,
Like if I'm a team, I really don't want to
play them in the playoffs, Like I go, they were
a little dangerous only because you know cop I mean, uh,
Pooka is outrageous. And then they could control the ball
on you. I mean, look how they ended that game.

(01:17:10):
I thought they ended that game, but it's so impressively
Thursday night. You know, you knew after they get to
pick off a party and they didn't give the ball back.

Speaker 2 (01:17:20):
Yeah, I mean there's also this element. And I heard
you talk about San Francisco a second ago with some
technology issues I was having. But there's a part of
me that looks at San Francisco and my god, I mean,
there are questions to be answered now that that aren't
that aren't easy. You know, the brock Pretty conversation was
supposed to get easier this year. I'm not sure it did.

(01:17:40):
Like the forty nine ers were supposed to still be
in the Super Bowl window. They clearly weren't. Like nothing,
nothing for San Francisco is getting easier. And in the meantime,
the rams.

Speaker 3 (01:17:50):
LI the injury, I mean, the injuries completely derailed them,
you know, sure.

Speaker 2 (01:17:54):
But but now they got to make it and maybe
maybe they don't. Now let's see what happens with brock Party.
But he's going into the last year of his deal
playing for pennies, right, So the injuries derailed you when
you really needed a season where you could get confident
answers on exactly what was next. And you know, because
of the injuries, they just weren't allowed the opportunity to
do that.

Speaker 3 (01:18:13):
Do you go into a full flood's rebuild?

Speaker 2 (01:18:16):
No, I don't think San Francisco is ever going to
go into it. They like, when they're healthy, they have
too much talent to want to go into a rebuild.
And you can't go into a rebuild when you pay
your quarterback, right Like, so those two.

Speaker 3 (01:18:28):
Things, well that's it, Like, that's that's where you go. Well,
I'm not going to pay Party.

Speaker 2 (01:18:32):
Oh man, that was just you're right, and that would
just were the roll of the dice on that just
would scare me to death.

Speaker 3 (01:18:39):
But to look at it, right, so look on offense, McCaffrey,
you don't know about him. Kittle's older debo is beat up,
banged up. Trent Williams is is close to being done.

Speaker 2 (01:18:55):
I mean right slamming shut.

Speaker 3 (01:18:58):
Yeah, I mean defensive. I mean those guys been added
for a minute, right, the great linebackers. I mean they've
been added for a minute. So that's you know, a
big deal, fellas. We'll talk about it.

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my brother, Uh, let's go through the college football, shall we?
And I want to go through the playoffs and look
at the seedings. First of all this you know, everybody
agrees that they got to fix it right, like the
way the bracket was. It's just the seedings, the buys.

(01:20:23):
You know, you got to go back to the drawing
board and you got to fix it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:27):
Smart people did a stupid thing, and there's just no
And the funny thing is that the model already existed.
All the brainy acts behind college football had to do
was say, hey, what works in college basketball? Like the
most successful tournaments in our sport? Like what works over there?
If you win the ACC you're giving an automatic bid
into the NCAA tournament for the men's and women's basketball tournaments.

(01:20:49):
That makes sense? Are you giving an automatic seed? No,
there's probably a reason why. Like sometimes, like I watched
a lot of bar rescue and John Taffer has come
in before him been like if this bar doesn't exist
anywhere in the area, have you asked yourself why? Like
there's a spot where you got to look around and say, hey, guys,
why did the NCAA men's women's basketball tournaments not give

(01:21:10):
automatic seating to conference champions? Because it's a stupid idea.
And the minute they did that, they broke you know,
they broke this whole system in the set. Like think
about it. Ohio State laying an egg against Michigan has
had ripple down effects now where all of a sudden,
penn Sate had to play in the Big Ten Championship game.
They lose that game, it changes their seating. But Ohio
State's gonna take on Tennessee, which will now change Oregon's

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entire path to the national champion Like that, one dumb
game has completely changed the way the end of this
season has played out for the college football playoff seating
Like that, how did you not anticipate that? You at
some point, if you are a leader of a sport,
your job is in part to anticipate problems. The leaders
of college football did not properly anticipate the problems that

(01:21:53):
this was created.

Speaker 3 (01:21:54):
And quite frankly, it means it's exactly what it's always been.
I mean, dude, this whole thing should have should have
existed years ago. I mean, they went through this nonsense.
I remember being young and and you know that it
was voted on like who votes on a natural time?

(01:22:17):
Like how ridiculous is that? Right? So un American? And
then they go to the stupid well the BCS, like
what do you just give me the freaking playoffs? And
being doubt with it, this is it. It took him
forever then they finally do it, and despite right, despite
how great it is and how much we loved, like

(01:22:38):
how much I think how great college football has been,
they completely screw it up, like these plays. They're so
out of whack, these seatings. It's the stupidest thing of
the world that you would give buys to boys, like,
are you nuts? It's ridiculous. First of all, it should
be sixteen teams. There should be no buys. You got

(01:23:03):
the model should be the NFL Playoffs, except there's no buys.

Speaker 2 (01:23:06):
Come on, I mean just the fact that to your point,
Boise gets a buy in this whole thing in Arizona State.
I don't want to let them off free either. And
these are teams that you know, frankly, yeah, they have
really good seasons. But what what stuns me in this
process is the ego is going to be the real

(01:23:27):
killer in this. And what I mean by that is,
if you think about it, the ACC and the group
of five were so worried about having the proper level
of inclusion that they put up a fight to get
themselves an automatic buy. That's something that they fought for
in the negotiation of this. So now what happens, Well,

(01:23:47):
now what you have is you've got Sally See in
Big ten sitting around and saying, well, I don't like
this system at all, right, and so they're gonna sit
around and say this needs to be changed. And now suddenly,
when this the conferences, we're fighting for inclusion at the
same level. By forcing that level of inclusion, they've created
more controversy than they wanted to be a part of it.
I don't think they wanted the smoke like, because now

(01:24:09):
the SEC's turned around saying okay, none of this works
for me. Like, if you're the SEC, you're turning around
saying I don't. And look, I had no problem with
the SMU getting in. I thought they were going to
get in. I was on record for that. But if
I'm the SEC, I'm turning around saying, okay, So now
not only are teams stealing our buys, but teams are
stealing our bids. All of these things. They've created this
whole conversation because frankly, they had so much ego. If

(01:24:32):
they had just gotten themselves included instead of having inclusion
with the buye, I think this whole thing looks wildly different.
But the way they did it, man, now we're going
to go back to the renegotiation table and you're going
to see a very angry SEC and big ten.

Speaker 3 (01:24:46):
Yeah, and at some point that's where it all changes,
right where they go, Yeah, listen, we got all the power,
we got everything, we got all the teams, we got
all the power. You that are acquiesce thoughts, and quite frankly,
what it should be is it should be a NFC

(01:25:07):
AFC model and there should be two conferences. Sorry, big
twelve at ACC all right, pay them off and get
them out. It needs you need to go with to
like an NFL, there's there's all the big powerhouses, you
whack them up in the divisions, and then those who
do not make that we get to play in that realm.

(01:25:30):
Then go to a separate n T you know, like
those smaller conferences.

Speaker 2 (01:25:38):
Well, I can already hear people through their radios yelling
at you that you're not being inclusive enough of everything.
But I don't disagree with anything you just said. I look,
I don't know that the system for me particularly is
so broken that the whole thing needs to be abandoned.
I will say this, my biggest fear when we went
to expansion that I continually said was that, man, it's

(01:26:00):
so hard to get people to talk about college football, right,
and we were still talking about college football. And I
think it worked that we were still that, you know,
obsessed going into the last Sunday and also stupid that
they always do that release in the middle of the
Sunday NFL football. It's just just lack of situational awareness
all day long. But the fact that we were clamoring

(01:26:21):
for every ounce of that, I think, you know, there's
a statement to that, and that's it's a good thing.
So I don't care if we stay at twelve teams.
I don't think they did anything wrong this year with
the teams they picked. It's simply the forcing of the
seating that makes it all different. Like, let's be honest here,
Boise State, Arizona State, and SMU should have been whatever

(01:26:42):
or doer you wanted them, ten eleven, twelve in this thing.
And then how difference does this How different does this
entire playoff matchup bracket? Look? If all of a sudden,
that's because man, just by luck of the draw at
this point, Penn State got a very very favorable draw.

Speaker 3 (01:26:57):
Oh my god, oh yes they did. It's ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (01:27:02):
It's crazy, Like what other sport gives your number one
overall seed the toughest draw, which.

Speaker 3 (01:27:06):
Is what happened here. Yeah, that's it, dude, It's completely right,
completely insane. I mean I was like, not like Penn
State kind of a kind of a soft spot form. Well,
you know you were talking about Lucky. My god, that's
just outrageous to what they got. Yeah, I like, I

(01:27:27):
hear you on you know kind of where it is,
and I do think it should be sixteen, and I
think I think it's going to get there anyway. I
don't know why you even went this route. And even
beyond that, I just think there needs to be a
cap of the teams, like, you know, being inclusive. One thing.

(01:27:51):
I'll be like, does the mac belong in this whole thing?

Speaker 2 (01:27:56):
I mean, that's a hot The funny thing is And look,
I don't think we've talked enough about this. We got
really lucky in the first season that the group of
five team happened to be really good, right like Boise
State is still a good football team. That's lucky. What
are we gonna do when the highest ranked group of
five team and it almost happened this year there were

(01:28:18):
chances that the highest ranked group of five team could
have been an unranked team that was coming into this
whole thing suddenly stealing a bid. Like, what's gonna happen
if it's the number twenty five team that we're not
enamored with the Heisman Trophy final finalist on it, We're
just sitting there saying, wait, Memphis made the College Football
Playoff this year? Has anybody seen Memphis this year? That's
a very real scenario. So you know, again I said

(01:28:40):
this earlier, but like, if you're Dan Mullen and you
take the UNLV job. Admitting my UNLV homerism here, but
if you take that job, part of the appeal to
that job, frankly pretty easily to me is that, hey,
you got a real shot to go to the college
football Playoff every year. You don't even have to be great.
You just got to be the best of the group
of five and you're gonna be in that thing every
stinking year. Like that's kind of crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:29:00):
It is, no, it is. Hey, get back real quick
to that. The Ohio State Michigan game was that one
of the worst called games you've ever seen by Chip Kelly.

Speaker 2 (01:29:13):
Oh, Like what is he doing. How has Chip Kelly
earned his money? I'm just being honest here, Like, what
have we seen this year from Ohio State's offense in
a meaningful movie.

Speaker 3 (01:29:26):
He's the biggest fraud in all of sports coaching. I
don't know how in the world he has a name.
I'll be honest with you, I just don't understand it.
I honestly, you're growing up against Michigan. You got all
the skilled people in the world, and you don't throw it.

(01:29:49):
You try to bully Michigan. You kept him in the game.
I mean it was one of the worst call games ever.
And look at Chip Kelly's resume. He walks into Oregon
that was already established, right, buoyed by Nike money, Right,
has success, doesn't win at all, has success, goes to

(01:30:09):
the Eagles, is a flop. All Right makes some of
the dumbest personnel decisions I've ever seen. Right he for
his own offense. He gets rid of Leshaun McCoy, who's
a jump cut running back for DeMarco Murray, who's a

(01:30:29):
stretchback who doesn't fit his offense, just ridiculously stupid. Goes
to San Francisco unmitigated disaster, goes to u c L
a disaster, like why is Chip Kelly walk around? Like
why is he some great coach, some great football figure.

Speaker 2 (01:30:52):
It is funny to me that once somebody has some
level of success, we just suddenly think, oh, this guy, yeah,
he knows what he's doing.

Speaker 3 (01:31:00):
He didn't build the Oregon No.

Speaker 2 (01:31:02):
No, but we forget that the context has gone on that,
like we remember, you know, the sort of the imagery
of oh, he's going to run this fast paced offense
and you know it's gonna be impossible for everybody to stop.
And for you know, for a season, it was fine.
And it's just I watched that matchup repeatedly a couple
of times since I've watched that the game to try

(01:31:24):
and figure out what went wrong, and I just think
it's it's alarming that nothing creative was done for Ohio State.
Like this is my big beef. When when I see
great coaches, what I want is great coaching. I want
to see something that's like, oh, that's a nice sprinkle,
or look at that motion and that confused the other side.
There was none of that. There was no it was
simply a It felt like their whole week game plan

(01:31:46):
was We're going to do what we do and be
who we are. Okay, well, what do you do when
that's not working? Because it wasn't working, so you have
to have an answer at some point of what do
we go, like what's our CounterPunch? And they never had
a count of punch. They didn't even try a counter punch.
It was it was gross negligence to watch that thing.

Speaker 3 (01:32:03):
I dude, I'm so with you. I thought that was
just wretched, wretched coaching. I remember going to like I'm
watching that game, think of myself, are you guys, what
are you doing? It's just it's outrageous, how bad, how
bad that game was coached. And by the way, like
I don't know how you feel about Jason about Ryan Day,

(01:32:26):
but I mean that team prepared.

Speaker 2 (01:32:31):
No, no. And it's funny because I'm not the big
overreactor when it comes to coaches, like the concept of
somebody getting fired, I just you know me, I'm like, well,
let's calm it down a little bit. I look at
Ryan Day and it's like, okay, same question, like what
do you like, what is your calling card? What are
you putting your hat on and saying I have done this?

(01:32:53):
And because of my great coaching. We were this, like,
what's the development piece, what's the whatever? Cause I I've
watched is the quarterback they let walk out the room
have some pretty reasonable success somewhere else. I watched them.

Speaker 3 (01:33:07):
More than reasonable, right, and let's get it right, right
Kyle McCord. They completely scapegoated He's day. Scapegoated that kid.
It was not right. They talked about the parents, they
talked about it. Listen, I know those people. They scapegoated them.

(01:33:30):
It was not fair. And then the kid goes to Syracuse.
He throws for all kinds of yards. He beats Miami
on the same day that they lose to Michigan. He
beats Miami, and I texted the father. I was like,
there's a little vindication for Kyle. Like, I thought that

(01:33:51):
was some vindication for because it was a shame. It
wasn't right the way he handled it.

Speaker 2 (01:33:59):
And and what have we seen? Will Howard come in
and suddenly, oh, look at the jump in his plate? No,
I haven't seen that at all, right, And so you
look around and say, okay, yes, congratulations, you guys put
together a great collective and a great you utilize the
transfer portal, and you brought in a bunch of players,
Like I think that's part of the part of the
skill set. Now, so like, congratulations, you did a great

(01:34:21):
job with that. Does that suddenly make you a irreplaceable
college football coach? No, And look, I think Vrabel's gonna
end up in the NFL, not in college football. But
if I'm Ryan Day, I'm at least I know that
I at least got to come in against a Tennessee
team that when they play their best, and I know
that's asking a lot. When Tennessee plays their best, they

(01:34:42):
can beat anybody. If I'm Ryan Day, I'm putting all
the look at right now that I can and figuring
out how to get this thing right right now, because
if they lose to Tennessee, fans are going to lose
their minds. I mean fans are absolutely going to lose
their minds if they lose to Tennessee. Even though I
think Tennessee deserves a a lot more credit in this matchup,
I think they can actually win this game. Yeah, Ohio

(01:35:04):
State's gotta They're gonna have to win otherwise it's it's
full panic mode.

Speaker 3 (01:35:08):
Yeah, yeah, Now you're not wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:35:10):
Which is still easier by the way than Penn State.
Because here's the funny thing about Penn State. If Franklin
goes out and beats SMU, then the fan base is
gonna say, who gives a damn Like SMU didn't even
belong in the playoffs. And then the next game they'll
have would be against Poise st. Where the fans will
turn around and say, yeah, it's a group of five teams.
Like I genuinely believe that Penn State is gonna have
to win three playoff games for people to get off

(01:35:32):
of James Franklin's back. I don't know, dude.

Speaker 3 (01:35:37):
You know, listen a couple of things here. One, you
get the gift, it's a gift. I mean, there's no
way in the world that they should be given that
gift of those two of the of that road.

Speaker 2 (01:35:51):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:35:52):
I mean that's a disgrace. Look at Notre Dame. Notre
Dames got to go through Indiana and then you nuts
and then you give Penn State that Notre Dames better
than Penn State.

Speaker 2 (01:36:05):
Yeah, and look, I think Notre Dame gets a little
lucky that they're gonna get Georgia with the backup quarterback.
But that Georgia defense is still legit, legit, like so
it is.

Speaker 3 (01:36:16):
I'd still rather play Boise and just have to worry
about stopping Genty then have to play Georgia, Like.

Speaker 2 (01:36:26):
You're not wrong about that. Look, Ashton Genty has been
a delight this year, there is no doubt about that.
But I think this is a really beatable Boise State team.
And this is the other thing. And you tell me
what you think. But we're gonna eat these first round
playoff games, and I am fearful that we are going
to get Texas is gonna take down Clemson by thirty.

(01:36:47):
You know, the Notre Dame's gonna just rail Indiana like
Ohio State did, and Penn State's gonna squash SMU, and
we're gonna be sitting here saying, really we want a
playoff expansion like it. It's crazy. In a year that's
had more college football parody than I can remember, I
still think we're looking at a bunch of different blowouts coming.
And then frankly, I think Penn State's gonna blow out

(01:37:08):
Boise State too. So you know, we've got a handful
of games coming at us that are gonna create the
loud yelling of why did we expand the playoffs just
to get bad playoff games.

Speaker 3 (01:37:19):
Well, I hope not, because that's completely short sighted. I agree,
I agree, and and you know, I mean, come on,
everybody knew that gets I mean, if you got it.

Speaker 2 (01:37:33):
If SMU gets beat by three touchdowns, the Alabama yellers,
which just I'm so tired of already. God, I'm so
tired of the Alabama yellers. Already They're gonna be it
should be the new name of the team. No longer
the Tide. It's just and no, it's not roll tied anymore.
She's yell tied because all Alabama fans do is yell constantly.
Oh it's gonna be. See, this is why SMU didn't belong.

(01:37:55):
It's just it's so stupid.

Speaker 3 (01:37:58):
I know. But I be honest with you, like I
you know, I kind of sympathize.

Speaker 2 (01:38:04):
You would have put in Alabama.

Speaker 3 (01:38:06):
I mean, I mean, if I just look at the
eye tests, come on, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:38:12):
I mean, look what team am I more scared of Alabama?
What team would would Vegas have favored more in playoff games? Alabama?
There's no doubt about it.

Speaker 3 (01:38:20):
I mean, I mean that's kind of what that's why.
But again That's why the field should be what the
field is, right, That's why you got to go to sixteen.
And this way you're assured that even if you have
a situation like Alabama's this year, that they're still involved,
because then you can't make Once you get to sixteen,

(01:38:42):
you got you can't make any argument. There's no yelling whatsoever.

Speaker 2 (01:38:47):
Yeah, the only thing is do you want no yelling?
Because yelling creates conversation. That's you know, I don't disagree
with you, but you know, yeah, yelling does create Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:38:56):
But I'm looking forward, like I want the game. I
don't care about the Let me market the game more
than the yelling. You know, the game's beautiful right now.
I love it. We'll get back. I want to go
through some of the lines with you and look at
some of the games, because you said you're already like
look at some blowouts. So we'll go, we'll dive back,
and they'll give you the schedule, the whole thing where
the fella is hanging out right here on Fox sports Radio.

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go through the schedule for this and kind of look
at where we stand. So it all begins next Friday night, buddy,

(01:40:18):
and it's going to be a big one Irish against Indiana.
Notre Dame a seven and a half point favorite in
that game, So you're smelling blowout, I am.

Speaker 2 (01:40:34):
I think for Riley Leonard, the number I keep saying
is thirty. Everybody talks about Riley sixteen touchdowns, five picks
this year, but fourteen touchdowns on the road, on the
on the ground, so thirty combined touchdowns in this college
football season. It's Riley Leonard quietly has been very Josh
Allen esque in that sense, like there's a lot that

(01:40:56):
he's been able to do at this level in this game,
using his legs and his brain. He's been efficient with
the passing game. It's just the last time we saw
Indiana against a real football team, he got out of control.
And this is a Notre Dame team that, despite injuries
on the back end of their defense, hasn't held them
back at all. I think Notre Dame's defense played really well.

(01:41:19):
They have the most inexcusable loss that I'll never explain
in all of college football this year, but they are
playing really stinking good right now. So yeah, I think
they wouldn't listen and win pretty easily.

Speaker 3 (01:41:31):
Yeah, I do too, although Dore's something that Indiana and
then that gives me just a little pause. There's a
couple of other games where I think it's blowout city
and this one I still go. They're well coached, they
play tough.

Speaker 2 (01:41:52):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:41:54):
That. Saturday, I mean next week's amazing playoff Saturday, December
twenty First three playoff games at noon SMU Penn State
Penn State eight and a half. Any Way SMU can
keep this close.

Speaker 2 (01:42:14):
I don't think so, man Like, I want chaos so
much in the first round, but I just this Penn
State team is better at everything that SMU is.

Speaker 3 (01:42:24):
Yeah, I know, I feel Stateway. I don't know how.
I don't know how they you know, I don't know
how they score. I mean, Penn State's defense is good.
I don't. I agree, I don't. I don't say it.
I think the same thing. Then Clemson Texas Texas is eleven.

(01:42:49):
My man college chill Texas in a route blowout. I
agree with him. I don't see how that game is close.

Speaker 2 (01:42:58):
Yeah. Look, I already put money on Texas with the points.
But here's the one thing that I would say. I
thought Texas would go into the SEC championship game knowing
when they kicked off that they had no idea how
the Big Ten Championship game would look. I thought we
would see a Texas team that was playing dominant, that
was looking for the number one overall seat. It was
still there for the taking when they kicked off. I
thought we would see just a thorough Texas effort and

(01:43:21):
a butt whooping, and we didn't. Right Like, quin Ewers
is not the same since he came back from the
shoulder injury, he has not been the same throughout the
course of the season. They couldn't run the ball at
all against Georgia.

Speaker 3 (01:43:30):
I know that what they're waiting for.

Speaker 2 (01:43:34):
I believe that too.

Speaker 3 (01:43:36):
I don't get it. I don't understand that. And by
the way, Huers needs to go into the portal play
next year at college. He's not ready for the NFL
and he needs to go somewhere else and play.

Speaker 2 (01:43:51):
I saw a report yesterday that Michigan State is trying
to put together a four million dollar offer to get
him to come there for a year. At all I
thought was do it solli dollars to go play somewhere
else and continue to develop, because I mean Quinn early
in the season I thought was really making a statement.
And he's done nothing but step back since then. So yeah,
I just I don't think when you weres is a

(01:44:12):
first round draft prospect, and I don't think he's a
championship caliber quarterback for Texas this year, unfortunately, because that
Texas defense man there's a bunch of adults on that
defensive side of the ball. I really, I really like
them defensively. I don't trust at Texas's defense.

Speaker 3 (01:44:28):
Yeah, no, dude, And and I'm thinking the same thing
like yeah, and last and last week it was like,
what are you doing? You needed mobility against Georgia. Put
Arch in the game and he starts second half with
him and then and that was it. That one play. Oh,

(01:44:53):
I just thought that was ridiculous. I sometimes somebody's moved
these dudes play I did these Jews make I just
for the life of me, I don't understand it. I
really don't. And in Ohio state seven over Tennessee. Is
there any way Tennessee keeps his game close?

Speaker 2 (01:45:11):
If it was, if it was in Tennessee, I would
I buy a little bit of it. But man, like
the schedule makers did Tennessee no favors on this by
the way, putting it at eight o'clock at night, like
I've never understood that. Just my constant beef with the
NFL was scheduling as well, Like the one game that
you knew had a good chance of being decent weather
was Texas, right, So put that game at night like
it why make everybody? Why make it even worse for everybody?

(01:45:35):
But they didn't do that. So this game being at night,
when I would imagine it's going to be unseasonably cold,
Tennessee trying to function. And I've had people ask me
if that's real, And man, I can't stress it enough.
It is very real coming from East Tennessee to Columbus
and that level of cold is going to be a shock.
Nico Yama Liava just there have been too many bone
headed plays this year where I just I can't get

(01:45:58):
the end of the Arkansas game out of my mind,
where you didn't even give them a chance to win.
And I don't know that I've seen a team with
this much talent constantly beat themselves with situational penalties, like
just the false starts and illegal shifts and like just
procedural stuff. So I think Tennessee. If Tennessee comes in
and plays their a game clean, they can beat absolutely

(01:46:18):
anybody in the country. Can they do that against Ohio
State at the Horseshoe at night? Probably not. So I
picked Tennessee to win this game because I wanted one
upset somewhere. It's the only one I could even see happening.
But honestly, I think Ohio State.

Speaker 3 (01:46:31):
Wins, yeah, and I and I think they it's a
win and a cover. I'm struggling to find the dog
in this thing. To your point earlier, Yep, I'm struggling
to find a dog. I'm struggling to find a dog
that can keep this thing close. Maybe Indiana again that

(01:46:52):
Smu clets it stinks, But Smu, I don't know. I mean,
can they stress them a little bit?

Speaker 2 (01:47:02):
Yeah, I mean offensively they can. Maybe I don't know
they can't. I want to talk myself into this, brother,
but it just ain't there. I think, I honestly think,
I think when we could you know obviously that what
is that next Saturday? That's next Saturday, right, yeah, first
round the playoffs next Saturday. We're gonna spend all of
this show in a week previewing these matchups, and I

(01:47:24):
just think Sunday, when we wake up, we're gonna say, well,
that was boring night. Like I just I don't I
don't think any of those games are going to be
competitive in the first round. Maybe Tennessee a hustake. Maybe
Tennessee hustay. That's I just gotta keep I gotta keep,
you know, holding out hope that that one, you know,
if Tennessee, man if My mom used to always say
if a frog had a glass butt, it would only
jump once. She didn't use that language, but like I'm

(01:47:46):
using that that that analogy here, if if if None
of these are prominent ifs, But if there's any one
team that I think it could break right and they win,
it's Tennessee. The rest of them, I think it's just
gonna be a slaughter.

Speaker 3 (01:47:58):
Yeah, yeah, I I think the same thing. But I
don't even think I give Indiana more of a chance
to keep it close to Tennessee because I go back
to your point about and I think it's a great one.
You got that quarterback at the shoe. I don't see
that being a good recipe.

Speaker 2 (01:48:19):
Yeah, young quarterback that has had mental processing errors throughout
the course of the season, an offense that has had
again procedural penalties left and right, in that environment at
night on a playoff game. Yeah, this I like. My
fear is that a few a few mistakes turns that
into twenty one nothing in the first eight minutes of

(01:48:40):
the football game, and then it just absolutely turns into
an ass whooping. That's my fear.

Speaker 3 (01:48:45):
Yeah, exactly. By the way, real quick, are you going
to the big ball game this week? UNLV your squad
against Cal.

Speaker 2 (01:48:55):
Now, I can't make it out to Cal. The Unfortunately
they this second ear in a row. UNLV's put that
bowl game all the way on the other side, so hopefully,
But this is kind of a weird I always say
for people that say bull games don't matter, but they
don't matter to you, But for fans of the program,
like I'm gonna watch the game, it's gonna be cool
to see it for for kids that don't get the

(01:49:16):
chance to travel off and it's a very cool thing.
This one is a little different though, because you know,
you know what might have been for this program, for UNLV,
and also you know what is happening with the transition
in the coaching staff. Like it's just this bowl game's
gonna feel a little bit different, especially in the transfer
portal world. I's just this this game is gonna be
sort of a shell of what it could have been.
To me.

Speaker 3 (01:49:36):
Yeah, they got to figure out. That's the other thing too.
The sweeping changes of timing needs to happen too. Like
if you were to have ball games, you can't have
the portal open. But that's got to wait. You can't
have all this movement, the jockeing of coaches and all

(01:49:58):
this stuff. It's you got to do it. You have
to have an off season, like the NFL does you
can't have chaos while the playoffs are going on.

Speaker 2 (01:50:09):
Yeah, I actually totally agree with you on that. Through
all of this, it's a weird situation to think that
kids are trying to figure out where they're gonna play,
what positions are going to be opening at what's school.
Like there's a logjam of well, you can't go to
Ohio State till kids decide to leave Ohio State, and
none of that can really be decided until after the
college football playoff for most of these kids. So it

(01:50:29):
is wild.

Speaker 3 (01:50:30):
It is. I think it's paramount that they kind of
revamped this thing and then you got you know, let's
face it, you got you know, January first. Baby, that's
gonna be awesome. New Year's Day one, five and eight

(01:50:52):
forty five. I still can't believe Arizona State as a
bye are you kidding me?

Speaker 2 (01:50:59):
I mean, good for doing him.

Speaker 3 (01:51:02):
Boise State, Oh god, New Year's Eve. I mean it's great,
it'll be fantastic, it's cool, but Boise State, oh god,
I can't believe it.

Speaker 2 (01:51:14):
I think it's terrible putting a game on New Year's Eve.
I think I think they should all be New Year's
day kind of move them, or even January one, January second.
Putting a game on New Year's Eve is just a
death sentence. I think the the attention will reflect that
as well. I just I don't understand why they did it.
They've had plenty of time to get rid of these
New Year's Eve attempts. They never really work or get

(01:51:35):
rid of it.

Speaker 3 (01:51:37):
You would have it all on New Year's Day, yeah,
I mean, I mean seven thirty games are well over
before the midnight.

Speaker 2 (01:51:46):
Yeah, but not if you want to go out. I mean,
I know, I know Anthony's not going out, but like
there's just a bunch of people that like, what are
you gonna look at your girl and be like, hey,
let's just watch this game first and then we'll go.
Like you're out way before that seven thirty game, A
bowl game, long halftime, it's not over till eleven, So
like what are you going out to dinner or to
the bar, to a party and then you got the

(01:52:07):
game on the background, Like that's just not I don't think.

Speaker 3 (01:52:10):
I feel you. It is a bat it's a background night. Yeah,
Like if you go out, it's a bat it's a
background night. But I don't know I mean, you know, listen,
you're right. I mean, I'm being selfish here, I got
I got me some football man.

Speaker 2 (01:52:27):
Here's I appreciate that, though, I do appreciate that.

Speaker 3 (01:52:34):
Uh, we gotta take quick too. We'll come back and dude,
I gotta ask you a question. Man, have you heard
about the drones over New Jersey? Because my son was
a witness. Is it the invasion? The alien invasion? I

(01:52:55):
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Speaker 4 (01:53:01):

Speaker 3 (01:53:12):
Live Fella Ms, Dugrich, Jason Fitz, Anthony Gargan hanging out Fellas. So, dude,
have you followed this story of these drones.

Speaker 2 (01:53:29):
Yeah, I've seen a little bit about it. Like I'm
the worst conspiracy theorist in the world, so most of
my friends are conspiracy theory theorizing.

Speaker 3 (01:53:36):
Or I'm not you Yeah, I'm not either.

Speaker 2 (01:53:37):
I'm bad at that stuff. But yeah, no, I'm you know,
we got drones everywhere. Heard that they're flying over random cities.
People seeing what what what what's the what's the Philly drone? Take?

Speaker 3 (01:53:47):
So in Jersey, right, like the I think they're huge.
They're big in Jersey. Right. So we're I'm at this
party last night, at this Christmas party, and you know,
people start talking about it, Oh my god, drones. And
one of our going to the guys said, yeah, I
saw them. You know, they filled the sky. They were big,

(01:54:10):
almost like a small car, and you know it was
ominous because I heard anoise I look up and felt
like they were shooting at us, right, Like you know,
they'd be more dramatic about things, right, I'm like, get out,
you actually scause I saw them up in North Jersey,
outside of New York. They were there, and then apparently

(01:54:32):
they've come south. So you know, my wife and I
were talking. I'm like, yeah, they were talking about the drones,
blah blah blah. So all of a sudden, our little one,
my wife's texted my little one, Massimo, and he's staying
over a friend's house when we were out, and he
was saying that he saw the drones, that it was

(01:54:57):
you know, the sky was filled with them, Like he said,
there was like forty Jones in the sky and and
they're big. And if you're imagine, if you're eleven, you
think italiens, like you're concocting story that it's aliens or whatever.
I don't know what it is. I don't you know.

(01:55:20):
I mean, I hear all the conspiracy theories too, like
it's China seeing how would we would react? And well,
I guess what I don't understand is if they're you know,
whatever they are, if they're not part of the government,
when the government shoot them down there, it's our airspace.

Speaker 2 (01:55:38):
Shoot. I mean, I would think so, But also don't
I'm not smart. I'm pretty I'm not smart on that stuff,
like it would what you're saying makes sense. Here's let
me ask you just a general alien question, like because
aliens in theory are coming to us and they're gonna
be much more technology and technological advanced because they forget
out how to come to us, right, So we always

(01:55:59):
have this concept of Vail being brilliant. What I never understand,
especially in alien movies, is why are the ships always
landing in the middle of big cities. Like if I, like,
if I'm smart enough to build a ship, wouldn't I
just look at like a map and be like, Hey,
this area over here in Egypt has a lot of
flat land, probably a good place to land. I don't
why why do they always land in New York or
Chicago or over DC? Like what I mean, wouldn't it

(01:56:22):
make sense to land somewhere else, set up your home base,
get ready for things, then just sort of from their
initiate whatever you're gonna do. I just I want to
see a spaceship movie where they all land in Egypt.
Seems more factually accurate to me.

Speaker 3 (01:56:36):
Yeah, if you told about strategy, yeah, you go to
more sparsely populated you know, I could I feel you
on that.

Speaker 2 (01:56:44):
The biggest the biggest thing too. Brother. If we're gonna
be honest, like, look, I know, as I've said a
million times, if a zombie apocalypse hits today, I'm gonna
I'm not going to try and fight the zombies. I'm
not gonna try and fight with you, my friend. I'm
gonna go to the local pharmacy, take all the drugs
I can, and just get really hot. Like that's gonna
that's how okay, that's I'm not gonna try to fight

(01:57:04):
there a zombie a cople of apocalypse for the rest
of my life. Same with an alien attack. Bri and
I were talking during the break like what aliens look like,
and I said, well, here's the thing, like what if
what if aliens are dogs and they keep pets like people?
I'd be all in on that. You know, I'll be
a house pet.

Speaker 3 (01:57:20):
Like.

Speaker 2 (01:57:20):
Look, you just got like a big fluffy human bed
for me to sit in all day. You give me
little bites of cheesecake if I go outside, when I
when I go potty, Like cool, I'm I'm in for this, like,
I'm just gonna embrace whatever it is.

Speaker 3 (01:57:31):
Because now that's saying you have your dog's life. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
well you know not every dog's is lucky as your dog.

Speaker 2 (01:57:39):
Well that's that's okay, that's a fair fair point.

Speaker 3 (01:57:42):
So you know if they put you in a human
doggie kennel, well.

Speaker 2 (01:57:46):
Then I probably did something you like, look, you know,
I'm you're right, and look, my god, if I get
if I'm in a dog like a human fighting ring,
then I don't stand a chance in that one, Like
I can't be raised.

Speaker 3 (01:57:58):
Let's let's have this want to fight this guy.

Speaker 2 (01:58:01):
I want to be. I want to be a little
puppy prints I'm gonna be hiving, puppy prints, conspiracy theories
in general. With all this stuff. I get it. But
my biggest thing is is, look, if it's really a
global thing, I can't stop it anyway. So I'm just
gonna embrace it. It's not gonna change my Saturday.

Speaker 3 (01:58:17):
Yeah it was. It's just weird. You know, these things
filling the night sky? And why are they only at
at night? Oh that's just the weird. Yeah. And there's
a zillion of them. So it's like Jersey, Why why
nobody wants to go to Jersey.

Speaker 2 (01:58:37):
It's good. So they're headed over to your place.

Speaker 3 (01:58:39):
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let's get into it's a great NFL card tomorrow. What
a great card? Did you said? Games are awesome them tomorrow?
So let's get into it and kind of go through it,
especially the later ones. My god, it's some good stuff,

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good football.

Speaker 2 (02:00:09):
Give me that late night Atlanta Vegas Monday night game.
I know everybody's really fired up for it. It's just
that late night Monday night Raiders Falcons game that somehow
didn't get flexed. I know, I know, it's really the
highlight of the weekend.

Speaker 3 (02:00:22):
My friend, Ways, I had a question for you, why
is that only eighth is the game at eight thirty?

Speaker 2 (02:00:29):
Yeah, that's one of those Monday night doubleheader that they
had pre planned for the NFL this year, And I
honestly thought it was going to get flexed out. I
thought they would pick any other game other than you know,
at this point, a six and seven Falcons team taking
on a two and eleven Raiders team. I don't know
why it didn't get flexed. Somebody smarter than me can
figure that out. But yeah, it's the late night Monday
night game. So we got Bears Vikings Monday and then

(02:00:50):
Falcons Raiders Monday on ESPN.

Speaker 3 (02:00:54):
Yeah. But again my point is, why is the game?
Why the ones at eight one at eight thirty? Why
not stagger it?

Speaker 2 (02:01:04):
Oh that I don't know.

Speaker 3 (02:01:06):
He make it, make one game at seven, in the
other game at ten or nine thirty.

Speaker 2 (02:01:11):
They probably don't want to go that late for the
East Coast, I would guess.

Speaker 3 (02:01:14):
Who cares people are going to watch? Are you nuts?

Speaker 2 (02:01:17):
People gonna stay up late to watch Falcons Raiders? Are
they gonna be like past my bedtime?

Speaker 3 (02:01:21):
No, well you're gonna be You'll be locked in, I know.

Speaker 2 (02:01:24):
Michael Pennock Junior review Revenge Game. This is my is
my bold take. Kirk Cousins gets benched at the half.
Pennick Junior comes in log and a half, throws for
three hundred yards and the half absolutely torches the Raiders.
And then then we get to all sit there and
remember that the Raiders really wanted to draft him, just
didn't get the chance.

Speaker 3 (02:01:41):
Yeah, I'm with you. I love that. It's a great narrative.

Speaker 2 (02:01:45):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (02:01:46):
But by the way, we start to scatch like, I
hate this time. I love this time of the year,
but I hate it for football because you know, we're
now in a couple of weeks left the season. The
next thing you know, it's gonna be the end of February,
the weekends of the Super Bowl. We're all going to
be depressed. Nothing's going to be happening. It's gonna blow

(02:02:08):
all right, and we're gonna have to go. Oh we
all to the draft. Oh my god, won't the season?

Speaker 2 (02:02:13):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (02:02:15):
I just I can hear myself whining and crying as
we speak, but I can't. I can't.

Speaker 2 (02:02:22):
I'm such You know what, I'm gonna give you the
biggest hug in in New Orleans this year, just gonna
be just a big thank you brother, a big old hug.
Especially we're gonna need it. By the way, I will
quickly remind you that there are eight teams in the
NFL this year. Eight out of thirty two eight a
quarter of the league that have won three games or less.
And we're still gonna lament the end of this. It's
been just a year of suck. The sea of suck

(02:02:46):
is deep, the waters are deep, and we got suck.
A quarter of the league just drowning in the water
of suckiness football, that's what we got.

Speaker 3 (02:02:54):
I still love it too. I enjoy it.

Speaker 2 (02:02:59):
That question.

Speaker 3 (02:03:01):
So when we go to Vegas, can you break your
red non drinking thing?

Speaker 2 (02:03:07):
I mean for Anthony gcannell. Yeah, like I'll have I'll
have a cocktail with.

Speaker 3 (02:03:11):
Good good all, Okay, it's that you just made my day.
That'll be great.

Speaker 2 (02:03:17):
I mean I'll make it like some sort of cocktail.
Like it'll be something that either requires an umbrella or you're.

Speaker 3 (02:03:23):
Here as long as you were going to have a cocktail.
Like we're gonna be in the Orleans. God, I have
a cocktail. Wait you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (02:03:29):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, No, We'll go up and down
Bourbon Street and get you know, we'll make credible life decisions.

Speaker 3 (02:03:35):
Yeah, it's the best. The Orleans is what I love.
The Orleans, Frenchman Street, Bourbon Street, the whole Citie. I
freaking I love it.

Speaker 2 (02:03:46):
Man.

Speaker 3 (02:03:46):
It's a it's such a it's such a great city. Man.
Did you did you play in the Orleans a lot?

Speaker 2 (02:03:53):
Not a ton, but some. Yeah, we did a couple
of things down there. And the first time I ever
got to go to a super Bowl when I was
just the podcast had just started out. John McClain, my
longtime sportswriter, down to Houston. Dear dear friend. John and
I had become friends, and he actually got me a
media pass first. So the first super Bowl ever went
to was in New Orleans. So it'll be fun to actually.

Speaker 3 (02:04:15):
Be because a great guy man, great, very very good writer.
He's a great guy.

Speaker 2 (02:04:20):
Yeah. John one of the many people that helped change
my life in many ways. So but that being said,
it's cool that the first time I ever went, like
I'll never forget, I was bumming around in the press
area and I didn't know that there was a halftime
press conference. So I walked into a big room because
they have free Gatorades and I needed a Gatorade after
all the drink and I've done the night before. I

(02:04:40):
sit down and like thirty seconds later, Beyonce walks out
sings the national anthem for the whole room, because it
was right after a big controversy, says any questions, I
mean it was such a mic drop moment. I was
a god. Life it's different. So it'll be cool to
be back in New Orleans now as an actual media member,
not just as a you know, friend got me a pass,
Like I'm excited for this one.

Speaker 3 (02:04:58):
Ah, that's cool, that's good, be awesome. All right, let's
go through all the games this hour and kind of
look at the storylines behind each team. We'll start at
the metal Lands, the Ravens and the Giants, speaking of
sub three win teams, the Giants at two and eleven

(02:05:23):
coach Baltimore. I mean, they just think how the Ravens
are a sixteen point favorite, sixteen in the NFL. That's
like fifty in college.

Speaker 2 (02:05:35):
Yeah, I never thought I would see that from this
sort of like, because let's be honest, while the Giants
are a disaster, they do not they are not necessarily
you know, they're not the Owen sixteen Browns. Like it
shows you how the wheels have fallen off completely in
this one. But also I don't want to mask the
fact that, let's be real, also about the fact that

(02:05:58):
the Ravens are a bit of a disappoint right now.
To me, I had super Bowl expectations for the Ravens,
and they're eight and five. They're very good, but man,
they are not. They are not necessarily where I thought
they'd be. So I think Derek Henry has a big game.
Tommy DeVito is just going to be a disaster. This
is a blowout, but Baltimore. Baltimore's standard is the super

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Bowl and they need to get some things cleaned up
to get there.

Speaker 3 (02:06:22):
I still like them, now, don't you still like them?

Speaker 2 (02:06:24):
I like them. I like them, but I thought i'd
love them like It's not it's they're very good. I
just thought they would be epic elite. I thought that
if we go back to week one of the season,
I thought by now the Ravens would be the class
of the AFC. And they're not. They're not even the
class of their own division.

Speaker 3 (02:06:40):
Yeah, I mean, I mean, we killed them. Was end
of October. They lose that Thursday night game against the Browns.
They may lose to the Steelers the middle of last month,
and then you know, you have your bye last week,
and then you have lose to the Eagles, and you know,

(02:07:03):
it was weird. It was a weird game because the
Ravens held the ball, had a huge time of possession
and somehow kind of lost the game. It was kind
of a weird game for him.

Speaker 2 (02:07:17):
Yeah, It's the hard part for the Ravens is they
have a few of those losses this year that are
just weird kind of games for him and we're watching
the best, Like that's one you mentioned sort of the
heartbreak we have this late in the season. The thing
I love about this late in this season is you're
starting to really see who comes into form and you're
starting to see who, oh my god, that is a
scary football team. Like, for whatever the deficiencies might be

(02:07:39):
for the Eagles we talked about earlier, the Eagles are
clearly one of the best teams in the NFL. The
Lions are clearly one of the best teams in the NFL.
The Bills are clearly one of the best teams in
the NFL. Part of the Ravens identity this year is, man,
they lose some weird football games.

Speaker 3 (02:07:54):
Yeah, I know, it's the truth. If you're a Giants,
get rid of dable, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:08:01):
One hundred percent. If I'm the Giants. I'm cleaning house,
and the same thing I'll say about the Raiders. I
think if you end the year with the disaster and
you're going to overdraft to the quarterback position, to say
this loudly, I don't think either of these teams have
a choice but to draft a quarterback. And I don't
think either of these quarterbacks are worth going one to
two in the draft. So if you're going to overdraft
a quarterback, then I think you absolutely blow the entire

(02:08:23):
thing up. You go all the way. I don't care
if we're talking about the janitor. Everybody in that building
needs to speak quarterback and only quarterback, and they all
need to be aligned on which quarterback they're overdrafting, and
there needs to be a plan just for that quarterback.
So I know Daboll has been a quarterback whisperer, but
I want to get all the nasty ju jew out
of the room. I'm starting all the way over, and
I'm doing it the right way. I'm either bringing in

(02:08:44):
a coach and a GM together in any way, whether
it's the coach first and the GM with him, or
the GM first and the coach. I want them to
come in together. I want them to have the same
responsibility from day one. I want them to have the
same level of ownership on the decision from day one,
so that there is accountability from day one. I want
all that to come in together.

Speaker 3 (02:09:04):
Jets and Jaguars IW speaking of three win teams. The
Jaguars just Dutch a dumpster fire, and then you got
the Jets. Man, oh my god, what do you do
if you're the Jets? I mean, you got to blow

(02:09:24):
the thing up, don't you.

Speaker 2 (02:09:26):
Yeah. And the unaviable part for the Jets is that
they aren't in a position where I think they're gonna
be able to draft a replacement a quarterback. And I
don't think Aaron Rodgers comes back next year. So now
what are you doing? Are you trying to bring Sam
Donald back to the Jets, which would be wild to
think of it. I don't see why he would even
do that anyway, So he's gonna have options. Although this

(02:09:47):
is my hot take, I think Minnesota Vikings should actually
franchise him. I think they should eliminate his options, franchise him,
make sure the JJ's gonna be good. But above me
on that, they don't have an answer, So now they
don't have a head coach, they don't have organizational structure
you can trust. They have a bunch of guys that
you know. They have several guys that are a little older.
They have some guys that have stopped playing. They have

(02:10:07):
some weird contracts, they have Aaron Rodgers. Like, I just
they're they're in just an absolute dumpster fire, needing to
rebuild the whole thing, but where they're going to pick
in the draft. They can't really start that rebuild this year,
so they're they're absolutely like the Jets are absolutely screwed.

Speaker 3 (02:10:25):
And then you get the Jaguars. Who are you know,
I mean, obviously there are mets Ingram is out, He's
going to be done there. I mean, it's just a
shell of a team. They'll be they'll fire Dunk Peters
at the end of the year, so they'll need a coach.

Speaker 2 (02:10:42):
Yeah, and they're locked into a huge contract for a
quarterback that not everybody agrees was necessarily worn't that huge contract, Like,
I just, I don't know. The only thing with the
Jags is the good news for you there is that
I don't think the cons really pay a ton of attention.
So you've got an ownership group that doesn't really care.
They're in a fan base that is not particularly rabbit
or large, So maybe maybe there's patience. But man, I

(02:11:06):
feel like the Jacks are gonna be They're gonna be
looking for a coordinator, but a coordinator with options is
not gonna pick the Jacks.

Speaker 3 (02:11:12):
Yeah. Cowboys and Panthers. By the way, Carolina a three
point favorite over Dallas. Carolina playing tough. Right. Look at
what the Panthers have done. They almost beat the Eagles.
If Legett is able to catch that ball, which he

(02:11:35):
should have, they're in the end zone. They probably win
that game. They played Tampa into overtime, they lost by
the Chiefs by three. They beat the Giants, they beat
the Saints. There's a team that's playing better, Bryce Young
playing better. What do you make of Carolina?

Speaker 2 (02:11:55):
Yeah, I think the resurgence of Bryce Young and Dave
Kanala is sort of breaking through. Is one of the
better stories of the back half of the season. Honestly, Like,
you're a thousand percent right, Like the Panthers right now
are a tough out. So do I think the Panthers
are a great team or a great foundation moving forward. No,
But they've got some pieces that they should feel pretty
good about. So yeah, I mean, Carolina obviously like they've

(02:12:18):
turned everything the right way. I what's interesting to me
is I just am not as convinced as everybody else
that McCarthy is as good as gone. I'm curious to
see what the last month of the season looks like
from him, you know, I just because we're presuming that
he's out the door and the Cowboys are gonna make
a massive change if they win some games down the stretch.

(02:12:39):
I could see them looking at and saying, hey, everything
went wrong this year, We're gonna run it back. I
know fans will lose their mind I know media will
lose their minds. But man, I don't know. There's no
Belichick all of a sudden, all these you know, there's
gonna be there's gonna be coaches that have other options
all of a sudden. So I don't know. I think
the Cowboys become really interesting just to see if they

(02:13:00):
at all will play hard for McCarthy, or if he
will coach harder if he's just done dealing with the BS.

Speaker 3 (02:13:06):
I don't know. I feel you. I gotta tell you, though,
my god, dude, I completely completely say he's got to go.
I just don't understand it. And there's a lot of
grounds while supporting.

Speaker 2 (02:13:21):
Him, some like some some of this is just the
fear of what else is out there, and it's a
dangerous way into business. You know, I get that too.
It is you know, you can't just hold on to something.
You don't stay with the girl just because you're afraid
you're never gonna find somebody better like you. Just that's
not a healthy What's he done? Nothing?

Speaker 3 (02:13:44):
I mean failed, And he's had home playoff games and failed.
I don't I don't know.

Speaker 2 (02:13:51):
The funny thing is if the logic is he just
can't get it done in the playoffs, Well we didn't
get to see if that changed it all this year.
Like it's weird how off the rails this season has gone.
It's been such that's yeah, I mean it's a disaster.
And the roster is not in particularly a like the
money spent puts them in a weird situation for roster building.

(02:14:12):
You know, I don't know, like if is it even
that desirable of a job? Like Charles Robinson for y'ah
who Sports ranked all of the jobs that are coming
up and based on their quarterback situation and their contract situation.
How appealing is the job? And the Cowboys job was
like fifth of all of them. And that doesn't even
factor in dealing with Jerry, dealing with the rest of

(02:14:34):
the rest of the team. That the lack of depth
all over that roster, the fact that you're in the
same division is the Eagles and what looks like a
Washington team that's pretty good. Like, I don't know, I
just we always say how appealing is this job? How
appealing is that job? From from those metrics? How appealing
is this Cowboys job? If you've been if you're Johnson

(02:14:54):
or slowk either one, you have options elsewhere are you?
Are you flocking to the Cowboys?

Speaker 3 (02:14:58):
I don't know, dude, It's still a cow Boys.

Speaker 2 (02:15:00):
Right Bobby Hurley walked away from the Lakers. I used
that example earlier, But like I.

Speaker 3 (02:15:05):
Just man taken a job you would.

Speaker 2 (02:15:09):
Have Yeah, I would have one hundred percent. I just
if you, if you have options, and not for everybody
that doesn't, but if you have options, don't you want
to go somewhere where you have the most belief in
the structure, belief in the organization, belief in Like I
mean That's why, according to all reports, Johnson turned down
the Washington job last year, is that he just wasn't

(02:15:30):
comfortable with ownership GM all those things. Well, if he
wasn't comfortable with that there, why the hell would he
be comfortable with that in the Cowboys. So I don't know.

Speaker 3 (02:15:39):
I hear you, I hear you. I'd still go now
I have a chance to coach the Cowboys. I mean,
I'm going to turn it down to coach where right.

Speaker 2 (02:15:49):
Yeah, it's a fair point. It depends on one of
the openings, Like would you rather have the Bear's job
or the Cowboys job? I'd rather Right now, if I
was walking in, I would probably rather have the Bears job.

Speaker 3 (02:16:00):
I don't know. I think i'd like rob out Dallas.
I mean, I'm I'm not particularly sold on Caleb.

Speaker 2 (02:16:08):
Well, I want to be sold on Caleb. I do
I think Caleb. I'm not less sold on Caleb than
I was. I think the Browns the Bears have done
a really good job of trying to ruin Caleb, like
all bad franchises too. But I'm I'm everybody as sold
on Caleb as I am on Dak Like I think
they're They're both they're both pretty good quarterbacks, like Caleb

(02:16:30):
can throw into being pretty good quarterback. I think, you know, yeah, Like.

Speaker 3 (02:16:35):
I look at Caleblego, he's not Daniels.

Speaker 2 (02:16:41):
Do you think he do you think he won't become that?
Do you think he can't? I can't be a top
ten quarterback.

Speaker 3 (02:16:46):
In the league, Canny, I guess. I mean, I don't.
I don't want to know why I watch him. I
don't go, oh my god, I want to coach this kid.
I don't see that.

Speaker 2 (02:16:57):
That is fair. I think in the pros he's been
exactly who he was in college, you know, And so
I don't know if that's a good thing or a
bad thing.

Speaker 3 (02:17:04):
You know, I just looked. I go, I'm not you know,
the quarterback spot right now? If I'm looking at both
those jobs, it's not like I still go, it's the Cowboys,
right like coaching the Dallas Cowboys. I don't know. I
still go Dallas. I look at the Bears job, I go, eh,
I mean, it's not like like if Caleb, if I fell,

(02:17:26):
Caleb was a savior, then that would take the Bears.
But he's not a big enough difference to me to
override the cowboy thing.

Speaker 2 (02:17:33):
I think that's where it gets really interesting, is you'll
we'll find out quickly how coaches run the league feel
about Caleb, because if you believe in Caleb, then the
Bears are one of the better jobs simply because you
get the organization. They have some salary cap space, they
need to work on their offensive line, but they do
have some weapons around them, and they have a quarterback.

(02:17:54):
And as I've said multiple times, I don't think Caleb.
I think Caleb is set to be better than either
Door or Cam. So if you're taking a team, if
you're taking the Giants job at the Raiders job for
the first overall pick, well, Caleb is a better quarterback
than that, so you know, and then the question is
would you rather have Caleb at number one or would
you have rather have Dak at sixty million dollars? And
that's you know, that might be a bit more of

(02:18:16):
a toss up for some people, but I don't know.

Speaker 3 (02:18:18):
Yeah, no, it's it's it's fascinating, I'll tell you that much.
It's a great debate, it really is. Let's do one more.
Let's go Washington and the Saints. The Saints are a seven.
Excuse me watching it's a seven and a half point favorite.
They're they're dead, right. I mean it's the poor, poor Saints.

(02:18:46):
I mean they got nobody left.

Speaker 2 (02:18:49):
Yeah, I mean their entire roster, Like they're starting Jake
Hayner at this point instead of their car and that's
just yeah, this thing. And by the way, they're also
locked into a bad situation with cars Contrac next year.
So Saints in another situation that I think maybe it's
time They've they've been robbing Peter to pay Paul for
so long. I think it's time to pipe Piper might

(02:19:09):
finally pay a visit. With the salary cap situation that
they have in some of the bad contracts, I think
the Saints are about to rip this thing down to
the absolute studs and try and start a very slow,
painful rebuild.

Speaker 3 (02:19:21):
Like to say, I would agree, it's time. All right,
We'll take a quick t o. Fellas will come right
back and as we go through a very packed NFL Sunday,
good's good games Sunday, of course, all the all the
later games are coming up. They're the best ones. Fella
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Speaker 4 (02:19:43):

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(02:20:36):
get it, get it, get it, keep it going as
we go through the NFL card Bengals and Titans. The
Bengals five and a half, Titans are another team name
what a mess? Another You're right, like, another three win
team that stinks with no quiquaterback Hope.

Speaker 2 (02:21:01):
Well. Also, I mean, I'm gonna be honest with you.
I think the Bengals right now should be organizationally sending
flowers over to the Jets every single day to say
thank you. Because if it weren't for the abject failure
of the New York Jets, the biggest story in the
NFL this year would be the failure of the Bengals.
How do you have an MVP caliber season from a

(02:21:23):
quarterback that's just crushing it with the wide receiver that's
absolutely great, And remember the other wide receiver that's been
on and off injured reserve are injury injury list this year.
You chose to keep them around because you believed that
you were in a super Bowl window and now you suck, Like,
how does that happen? How can you organizationally blow it

(02:21:44):
again with Joe Burrow? Like maybe I'm just angry because
my favorite team doesn't have a Joe Burrow, but damn it,
when you have a Joe Burrow, you should not be
as bad as the Bengals are this year without everybody
in the entire building having to look in the mirror
and say, hey, I'm sorry, I failed. Every single person
that and it works for the Bengals right now that
put this roster together and coaches this team needs to

(02:22:04):
look in the mirror and just slowly loudly say to themselves,
I failed. Because if you've got a quarterback as good
as he is, and you're this bad man. You are
inexcusably doing a bad job this year.

Speaker 3 (02:22:15):
Yeah, yeah, that defense. This is no defense. I've about
to say. It's horrible, rash even you know, Chase Brown,
I mean, you know you failed at running game. Like
he's a good complimentary back. Needs somebody else, and they
struggled there. I mean, do you have a tight end Kiseki?

(02:22:36):
I mean all right, I mean there's I hated their roster,
what they put together. I'm with you, and Tennessee's a mess.

Speaker 2 (02:22:46):
Yeah, and Tennessee, you know, I mean, Will Levis is
not the answer. But the good news is I don't
think they'll be in a good situation to h to
get themselves a quarterback this year. So good news for
the Titan. Just take the best player available you need.
Lost a lot of roster work everywhere.

Speaker 3 (02:23:03):
Build it, you know, get it there. Chiefs Ed Brown's
the Ken City Chiefs, a four and a half point
favorite over Cleveland. They're the most entertaining three and ten team.
Would you agree of all the free teams, the Browns
are the most entertaining.

Speaker 2 (02:23:27):
Yes, but also that's just because Jamis is Jamis right,
Like I want to hear what Jamis says every every
step of the way. I just am so thankful he's
not my quarterback. Like praying away the pick six is
is is an approach, right, you know. The weird thing
is that Jamis just he's such a lovable guy and
the product sometimes is so good and the product sometimes

(02:23:47):
is so bad. So you know, that's it's just part
of what they are. And the Browns are another team.
I mean, I say coming into the year that I
thought most of this roster was super Bowl caliber, but
the quarterback wasn't. And it turns out that the roster
really isn't that good. I mean, the defense has been good,
but just asking a herculean effort from all of them.

Speaker 3 (02:24:07):
Yeah, I mean, Chubb gets hurt, right, so you lose
your stud rarting back. I mean, I love Kevin Stevanski.
It's not his fault that the organization got married to
just an abject failure, I mean, and then forced him
to stay there a state of course, Like who knows.

(02:24:28):
If you go to Jamis earlier, maybe you can savage something,
you know, but I don't know. I mean, at this point,
I don't know what you do with that guy, Like
you got to get rid of him.

Speaker 2 (02:24:41):
Nothing, I mean, you're screwed. Like there are certain times
where you just look around and say, Okay, you know,
like you and I have talked before, I'm the type
of person that in my career, if somebody hands me
a shovel and says, your job is to shovel poop today,
then I'm gonna do it. I'm not gonna ask questions.
I would just say, all right, that's my job. Sometimes
that's the cards you're don't let's just get let's just
get through it. I think the Browns are in that

(02:25:02):
situation for the next two years because of the contract
that Deshaun was given that there is nothing now that
can be done to fix it. There's nothing now that
will give them hope. There is nothing now that will
change any of it. The Browns are just going to
be bad. They're going to be bad next year, even
if they try and find a way to trade or
cut to Sean the salary cap. Hell, they'll be put
into will impack the next two or three years. Like

(02:25:23):
it's just there is nothing you can do other than
stand there and take the kicks to the no no
places that you're getting right now, and it's just it's
a bummer. Nope, because I think there are a lot
of good Browns fans that that never wanted this in
the first place. And it doesn't change the fact that
this is the situation that contract put. You can't change it.

Speaker 3 (02:25:40):
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:25:42):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (02:25:43):
Meanwhile, the Chiefs, the Chiefs are amazing how they just
find ways to win. What's that like, Well, it's unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (02:25:54):
Right, We're going to be in New Orleans for the
Super Bowl. You know what you and I are going
to We're gonna go to any witchcraft doctor, any voodoo
all place, and I'm gonna find out what voodoo do
all the Chiefs bought, because I will buy one. Like,
if there's a deal to me, maybe with the devil,
hit me up, Like I'm in negotiations, right, let's go.
You can have my soul. I really just want to

(02:26:15):
see a Super Bowl win for my beloved Raiders. Whatever
the Chiefs have done, I respect it. I'm not even
mad at it at this point. The fact that we
were all sitting there with you know, a minute to
go in the game, thinking well, they're gonna win this somehow.
The question is just how I'm convinced in the Super
Bowl that there will be a Hail Mary pass. Somehow
Jesus will ascend himself from the jumbo tron and he

(02:26:36):
will take the ball, and he will deliver the ball
to the end zone and we will all say, how
did that happen? Like, it's just I cannot bet against
the Chiefs. I cannot explain the Chiefs. I don't care
that the Chiefs aren't good enough. All they do is
win every week, and it is just it's maddening and
beautiful all at the same time.

Speaker 3 (02:26:54):
It really is. By the way, we can go to
Marie Levoe's how So Voodoo or read those Yes, yeah
we got that one, or Voodoo Authentica on six twelve
do Main Street?

Speaker 2 (02:27:16):
And why do we go in? Either or?

Speaker 3 (02:27:19):
And then we go right, we'll go to both. And then,
by the way, the voodoo Queen of New Orleans today
is Voodoo Queen Kilinda Levell.

Speaker 2 (02:27:29):
All right, you know what I think I think we're
I think content is king. I'm gonna get somebody to
film us going in and I'm just gonna make as
many voodoo deals as I can to try and help
the Raiders win and if the Raiders win like thirteen
games next year, man, you and I are going to
be making a trek back to non Lens every single year.
I should also never say Noblets again.

Speaker 3 (02:27:52):
Yeah, all right, we're gonna go quickly because all the
good games are coming up. We're we're talking about all
the bad ones. Houston Miami Texans are a three point favorite.
Why are the Texas only three? I like the Texas
a ton in this game.

Speaker 2 (02:28:08):
Yeah I do too. I'm a little surprised that that's
only three points. The Texans not as good as we
thought they'd beat the Dolphins, better than we think they
would be in some ways. But yeah, this this is
this is that statement moment for the Techny.

Speaker 3 (02:28:21):
Think injuries like had really decimated that that Texans team,
like they've they didn't in it, Like their line was
was banged up, was dinged up. That called CJ to
get a lot of pressure, some bad habits, you know.
I think that's a that's a big part of it.
I expect a big effort from Houston on Sunday tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (02:28:43):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (02:28:44):
Denver and the Colts Denver's four and a half. Denver
is such a great story and they are just a
blast to watch. I mean that Peyton speaking of the voodoo,
he did some voodoo because he's just a great coach man.
Oh god, he really is. They're coming off there by
then they host Indianapolis.

Speaker 2 (02:29:05):
Yeah, they're gonna crush Indianapolis. I think their defense is
too good and we'll make too many mistakes happen for
the Broncos offensively or for the Colts offensively, I should say.
And the way Sean Payton has particularly limited Bonix's mistakes,
not just turnovers, but even on bad reads, bad throws,
He's limited so much of that. It's really it's a

(02:29:28):
work of art because they don't have a ton of
talent on the offensive side. If this is just the
beginning of the iceberg for Denver, Denver's about to be
very good for long.

Speaker 3 (02:29:35):
Yeah. Sure, New England at Arizona begins the late games.
Arizona is an eight point favorite, and I gotta believe
it's a route city. I mean, I know, I know
they're six and seven. We had a bad loss, but
excuse me, there a six point favorite. I think they

(02:29:57):
buried in Wingle. New Wingles a bad team.

Speaker 2 (02:30:01):
Yeah, agree on that, and congrats because New England will
pick third and they'll get Travis Hunter.

Speaker 3 (02:30:05):
All right, so let's get to the good games.

Speaker 2 (02:30:07):
Here we are.

Speaker 3 (02:30:08):
Here are the good games. We got Bills and Lions,
which is the game of the day. The Lions are
a two and a half point favorite. The totals fifty
four and a half. Now, I feel strongly about this game.
I think the Lions flex Sunday. I think the Lions

(02:30:30):
win that game by double digits. I just think their
offense is way too good. Buffalo's banged up defensively, and
I can't see Buffalo stop at Detroit, and Detroit's looking
to make a statement. I think they make a statement
on the Bills. I still like the Bills. I think
they're banged up and they're walking into the Dome, which

(02:30:50):
is abuzz saw.

Speaker 2 (02:30:52):
Yeah. Also, there's just a heightened level of pressure on
the Lions in general. Not pressure in the sense of
our expectation win, but the Lions understand that right now,
picking up a second loss at any point that the
rest of the season could actually result in having to
play on the first weekend of the playoffs and not
getting a buye. Like that's crazy to think it could
happen that way, But a two loss team could be

(02:31:14):
playing in Wildcard weekend in the NFC. So if you're
if you're the Lions right now, you're heightened. Everything's heightened,
And I'm with you. The injuries on the defensive side
of the ball. Amari Cooper had a bit of a
breakout last week for Buffalo. Let's see if that continues.
Let's see if they can expose anything out of that
Lions defense. Let's see if they can get a little
action going, if they get Amargo and I might see

(02:31:36):
this game differently, but I'm with you. I think the
Lions win.

Speaker 3 (02:31:39):
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Speaker 3 (02:32:39):
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go for it. Tampa and the Chargers were up to

(02:33:03):
this one. Chargers three point favorite over Tampa. I like
Charges in this game.

Speaker 2 (02:33:09):
Yeah, I like the Chargers in this game a lot.
And again talk about teams ahead of schedule. Where the
Chargers are right now? Absolutely Tampa. Tampa has been able
to put band aids on this thing, but they're just
not They're not where they need to be right now. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:33:23):
I'm with you, I love with I love with Harball.
I'm a big Horrball fan. He's fantastic. Uh Eagles.

Speaker 2 (02:33:32):
Remember the Bears decided not to hire him and the
Raiders didn't even interview him.

Speaker 3 (02:33:36):
Go, dude, I hold you understand that. I just don't
get it. I really don't. You know, look what he's
done with Herbert. Oh my god, he's such a great coach.
Steelers in Eagles. Eagles are five and a half. That's
a big fat line. The Battle of Pennsylvania. This will

(02:33:57):
be the toughest front the Eagle faced. The only thing
is no George Pickens really depletes the Steeler offense.

Speaker 2 (02:34:08):
Yeah, I feel like this is sort of an exposed
moment for both teams because the Steelers offense is really
going to get exposed in this when they take on
a defense that's gonna destroy what they're Yeah. Yeah, there's
no doubt, especially like they're not gonna be able to
get a running game going, so that that's not gonna happen.
And then the flip side of it is the Steelers
defense I think is one of the best in the
NFL right now. So you know, when we're sitting here

(02:34:30):
talking about the passing games got to get fixed, well
you're gonna. I mean, it's a very good offensive line,
there's no doubt about it. But we also know that
Steelers defensive line is full of game wreckers. So yeah,
I'm interested to see which offense looks more exposed in
this one, So I think the Eagles went pretty pretty
handily here. But that's just because they have more weapons

(02:34:51):
and more opportunity to zig and zag throughout the course
of whatever they need to counter punch.

Speaker 3 (02:34:56):
All right, so you lay it right, I like DeAndre.
I think it's gonna be close on I think the
close scoring game.

Speaker 2 (02:35:02):
Yeah. Uh.

Speaker 3 (02:35:03):
This Sunday Nighter is a really good game. Man, Seattle
in Green Bay. I love this game. This is this
is a great one. And by the way, the Packers
are a two and a half point favorite on the road.
I was kind of surprised to that in number, to
be honest.

Speaker 2 (02:35:21):
With you, I think it speaks to the fact that
the home environment of Seattle's not getting a lot of
respect in this And look, this is also a Packers team.
As you know. I've been tough on Jordan Love, but
so Packers team that has found so much offense. It's
it's fun to watch and I feel like I would
be a little bit more confident in this game for

(02:35:41):
Seattle if Kenneth Walker the third was available. Charbonnay has
done a nice job stepping in, but man know, Kenneth
Walker the third, presumably in this game, is going to
make a huge difference. So you know, I think the honestly,
this is Josh Jacobs game to take over. He will
He's gonna.

Speaker 3 (02:35:56):
Don't you like Seattle defense is playing very much?

Speaker 2 (02:36:00):
I do very much. So, Yeah, there's no doubt this
is This is not a statement against Seattle. It's just
I'm not sure where Seattle generates the offense are gonna
need to, which is kind of crazy to say, given
their wide receiver options. I get that, but yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (02:36:15):
Think it's a bay right.

Speaker 2 (02:36:19):
Oh, no doubt Jackson Smith and JIGM is so good
that we almost forget about T. K. Metcalf, who is
also very good. Right, Like, it's just Tyler Lockett was
supposed to be the future wide receiver one for them,
and like now he's like a wide receiver three. It's
barely even a part of this game. And and then
like I said, whether it's Starbonnet or whether it's Kenneth
Walker the third, there are running options like this offense

(02:36:40):
has all the tools you could hope for.

Speaker 3 (02:36:42):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I kind of like Seattle
in the game. I think see I think the Seas
win this game.

Speaker 2 (02:36:49):
Out.

Speaker 3 (02:36:50):
I like Green Bay.

Speaker 2 (02:36:53):
I do.

Speaker 3 (02:36:54):
I like, if I'm want to rag the NFC, I
go Eagles, I go uh lion one Eagles to Minnesota
green Bay three A, three B. I mean that's kind
of how I look at it, right, So I like them.
But you know, my biggest question about Green Bay is

(02:37:15):
how good is it's defense?

Speaker 2 (02:37:18):
M Is there a questions?

Speaker 3 (02:37:21):
And that because look, their offense is you know, I
like love and I like, I'm like Jacob's the whole thing,
but They're not as good as the Lions offense, right, Like,
I mean, you know, I know what happened you on
Thursday night and they were in it and the whole thing.
But I'm still not in love with their defense.

Speaker 2 (02:37:39):
No. I agree with that take completely, by the way,
And you know, I think, frankly it speaks to how
good their offense has been and what a job La
Floor has done it. You know, when you talk about
the elite teams in the NFC, most of them have
a defense that can be a game wrecker, right And
I don't think that that's the case for when you
talk about Minnesota. We've seen how good Minnesota's defense can be.
Up right, take a little step right, we see how

(02:38:01):
good that defense has been. We know how good the
Lion's defense can be, although they're decimated by injuries. We
know how good the Eagles defense is. The Packers is
not on that same level.

Speaker 3 (02:38:10):
Yeah, Maniso the Monday Night Minsulda Bears likes for seven.
I like them Monday Night, FITZI. And then your Raiders,
your Raiders killed four.

Speaker 2 (02:38:22):
Yeah, killed, Raiders is gonna get. They're gonna get Desmond
Ridder is going to be the quarterback. Now the Raiders
an't going to score any points?

Speaker 3 (02:38:28):
Oh god, I know, I feel for you. That's gonna
do it for us. Everybody have a great week. We
love you. Fellas are out

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