The Bernie Fratto Show talks College Football Playoff, Chiefs Super Bowl Threepeat, NBA All Star Weekend, and More!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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the way, not for nothing. Later in the show, I
will have a great tribute to Ricky Henderson. Was arondom
enough to know the stories that are true. And I'll
reflect briefly on some of the more, some of the
more I I brought raising statistics that he put up
even after the age of forty. And we'll get to

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that in a bit. I will not forget. But we
heading into this week, and I said many times look
for this first week and to be a chalk event.
I did not predict all four home teams woulden buy
accumulative total of eighty seven points, but I'm here for it.
You won't hear any complaints from me because we have

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a playoff who nobody said it was going to be perfect.
The committee is too concerned about making a mistake, so
they ended up making what are perceived mistakes. But it
has now opened the door for an entirely new narrative.
Are you ready for it? And give it up to
Kirk Curve Street, who is typically usually and I respect Kurt.
I remember when he was a quarterback at Ohio State.

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His son's about to be a Division one quarterback, and
he does a solid job. He is definitely about as
exciting as warm dishwater, but he knows what he's doing.
And he came out, he came off the top rope,
you know, this morning and he basically said any and
I had no business of being on the field with

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Notre Dame. They're a bous I'm paraphrasing. You don't have
to say. And I'm a well man, Kurt Kirk, it's
not Kurt, it's Kirk. Apologize, it's not Kurt Cobaine, it's
Kirk Kirk FIRB Street. I'm like, whoa baby? Who looked
the red off your lollipop? Who pissed in your corn flakes?

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But I'm here for it because it engenders a discussion,
and are you ready for the new debate? And here
we go, fix your file, super nuts. Here we go, right,
are you ready for the new debate deserving or Best?
But before we get to that, I want to say this,

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we at least now have a format and the template
of what I think will be a more tightened up
future format in the coming years to get rid of
some of these peccadillos. Because in what sport do you
wake up? And I'll, for instance, I'll insert Luke Fickles,
Cincinnati Bearcat's team of a few years back. You can

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go eleven, you can do everything you want, and you
have no path to the playoff. Basically they stuck them
in there one year. But you get my point. You
can have a championship caliber season, but you can't play
for championship. Hey, what sport do you have that? Well?
It was college football? Not at least you don't have that.
So we're making progress, I think. But deserving or best,

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now let's agree on this. There's no universal definition because
even the committee, even the committee has contradicted themselves from
last year to this year. And let's just take okay,

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ole Miss or Indiana. You think Ole Miss would have
given Notre Dame a better game? I do doesn't mean
Indiana maybe he didn't deserve to be there. Would Alabama
have been better than SMU? And I heard smart guys
on Twitter saying, well, what evidence do you have that
Alabama would have been more competitive against Penn State or

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against you know, Notre Dame then the teams who made
it there. Well, I don't have any evidence, but I
think I have empirical evidence. It's suggest to me that
give them the DNA and the culture and the history
of that program in a one game of affair, they
would have been more competitive. And I also do believe
Alabama would have beaten Indiana most likely. And you know

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they play Old Miss, so you can watch that game
every few years. So deserving implies someone or something or
a team that's earned recognition or they've earned a reward
based on their efforts. Best refers to the highest quality,
your most superior option. But I'm telling you Bill Hancock

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can say the most deserving is not anything, and he's
right because last year Florida State was deserving. They were
eleven and one. They lost their quarterback and said you
stay home because we had that way. You know, during
the stupid four team made for TV Invitational tournament when
you had five power conferences. And so this is where

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the problem starts to rear its head, because these criteria
are determined sometimes objectively, even though it doesn't necessarily align
with who's considered the most deserving in a subjective sense,
because best focuses on should focus on peer performance. How
do we know you the best just because you say
that you are, just because it looks like you've got

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the best roster, just because your school's maybe got the
best pedigree. But deserving can also include factors like overcoming
adversity or challenges, or just playing a tougher schedule. Seeing
by those definitions, and there again there is no universal
definition Alabama would characterize both. So are there any differences well, subjectivity,

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Deserving can be more subjective because it does involve in
judgments about effort and character and circumstances. Who are again, best,
theoretically is typically based on measurable performance. These are journalistic definitions,
but they don't apply because Indiana was deserving. Well A
check that Indiana was the best based on measurable performance.

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But back to kirk they won eleven games, Alabama lost three,
But Kirk Kirkstreet said, I don't give a damn. If
you want to eleven, who'd you be? Well, they can
only be who gets off the bus. And you know,
do you focus on the process, the committee or the outcome?
Because deserving should consider the journey and the challenges, while

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the best is basically the final result. Again, you might
vote for Indiana there if Aliens decided this deserving what
Maybe a team fought hard all season, they overcame injuries
or played a tough schedule. Maybe they're deserving of a
championship opportunity even if they are statistically the best based
on their win loss record. Or then back to the best,

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you've got a team at the highest winning percentage and
strongest defensive statistics. Maybe they're the best regardless of their
schedule because they can't control these players can't control who
they play. So you see what I did there? We
accomplish nothing, but we created a sports debate. Well I didn't.
I'm just participating in the debate and I'm reiterating the

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fact that there is no universal definition. There are always
going to be complaints. And even Lane Kiffin went stupid
on Twitter? Why would you do that? Because he's pissed
he thinks his team's better than some of the teams
in the tournament, but he had a chance to play
and earn his way in during the season. But he
played a tougher schedule than a lot of other teams.

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So again, we're going to go round and round and
run on circles. At the end of the day, I
am very glad we finally have a playoff. You can't
tell me these games weren't fun to watch. Yeah, they
were blowoffs basically, But what do we take away? Home field?
I guess matters, doesn't it. So you know, note to self,

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you don't only want to get into the playoff, you
want to get at least one home field game, at
least SMU, that was a mismatch. They played seventy five degrees.
They got to play in twenty degrees. This Jennings kid
had a hell of a year for SMU, did a
great job elevating his team. But in this high leverage situation,
you look like Jameis Winston. It was brutal. So look,

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the one thing we know about Penn State they continue
to be bumps players. Now, SMU, you're not bumps. Don't
listen selectively. I know we got a lot of listeners
in Texas. They had a great year, all right, they
ran into a busaw. It's twenty degrees Penn State in
James Franklin, we know their team has flaws. They're really good.

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Just do it once against the Georgia or Oregon or
o hoiuse and then I'll shut up and you're gonna
get your chance here in a couple weeks or ten
and a half point favorite at Poise State, by the way,
but they ended up playing all four quarters because that's
the rules. But it was pretty clear early on SMU
was not going to advance Texas. Listen, everybody who had

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a Paul said, just run the ball. Run the ball,
and Steve Sarkisian did that. They ran for two hundred
and ninety two yards for touchdowns. You know, Texas usually
doesn't run the ball forty eight times, the only ranked
sixty third attempts per game throughout the year. I mean,
they turned to do their version of Army and air force.
But they did what they had to do, and they advanced.

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The better team advanced. The better team advanced in Penn State,
Ohio State. You know, I had a high school football
coach once said, if we bring our best and they
bring their best. We want our best to be better
than their best. Ohio State has that gear. We'll see
if they can do it in the Rose Bowl in
a couple weeks or one point favorite against Oregon. Ohio

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State's defense was impressive. They relentlessly pressure Nico first play
of the game, four sacks, six tackles for loss, countless pressures.
The Vaults could barely get over one hundred yard passing
in the game. When Ohio State does that, I'll leave
zero questions about whether or not their defense is good
enough to win an actional title. It is will they Hey,

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it's going to be decided on the field. That's why
I like this. And by the way, yeah, SMU, you
deserve to be there. I'm not beefing on it. You
just ran into a buzzsaw. Meanwhile, Clemson, they are who
we thought they were. They were one of the top
programs in the country a few years ago. They don't
have the depth now and Texas basically showed you right

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and you know, put it right there on film. The
latest evidence that Clemson's good, but they're certainly not elite,
certainly not a legue. So onward and upward, we have
a debate that will rage Fish or File super nuts
deserving our best. It ain't going away. But guess what
A week from Tuesday night we have Boise State hosting

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Penn State, and we have a tripleheader. On New Year's Day,
we actually have a playoff. Another league that has a
playoff is called the National Football League. Coming up. We
do it every week eleven fifteen Pacific time. Steve Fessick
and the Physick five. We've got a lot to unpack,
including I'm gonna ask him, who do you trust? Kansas

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City continues to just be bank for me. I'm so
sick of this narrative, this group think echo chamber narrative
having to do with they've been lucky either this what
is wrong with you people? Yeah? You know Tom sever
used to say. They used to say about Tom Sever

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He's really lucky. Every time he pitches. The other hitters
are having a bad day. Kansas City is the most
opportunistic team in high leverage situation. They got ice cold
water in their veins. They got maybe the best coaching
football in Andy Reid, the best quarterback in football, Patrick Mahomes,
playmakers all around, and they have a dn an culture.
Other teams wish they had, and that's exactly why they

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only one they covered today. But do you trust him?
Not everybody does. I certainly do, But there are other
teams there. I don't don't. I don't trust Baltimore. I
don't give a damn what Baltimore did today. Let's you
know what, Let's see what happens when Baltimore gets down
the field against Kansas City. You know what. Lamar Jackson's
record is against Bagnola's Chiefs defense, one and four, completing

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fifty six percent of his passes. He's still in seven touchdowns,
six picks, his passer rating is seventy eight and the
only average twenty two points a game. Do it against
Kansas City and they will have a merry Christmas, or
maybe you'll have a merry Christmas. I coming up Steve
Fessik in the Physic five. I'm Bernie fraddlewor Company live
from Las Vegas, Fox Sports Radio, Tireck dot Com Studios,

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the Physic five.

Speaker 1 (13:36):
The time, it's the Physick five.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
These are the five things you need to hear about.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
No, we're the only back up back.

Speaker 4 (13:47):
Hilton Super Contest winner Steve fig Here's Bernie Freddo.

Speaker 2 (13:53):
All right, fanz, we've got a double bonus because we
have this thing called the College Football Playoff and lines
have been set for the quarterfinal games. And let's start
on the top rope. By the way, I don't know
if you've heard of my opening commentary about deserving versus Best,
but I'm guessing you're none too pleased or you're wildly

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unimpressed with the methodology and the results that the committee produced.

Speaker 5 (14:19):
Yeah, well the format. Everyone should be fired, not because
twelve teams are in awesome, but you can't give bias
to Boise and the Arizona State, so that immediately is
going to create problems. But given you're going to do that,
the number one criteria has to be you've got to
reward the team that had the best year, that was Oregon,
and not make them play the second best team in

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the country in the quarterfinal. And that's what has just occurred,
as they have to play Ohio State and not to mention,
Ohio State has revenge for they were in the same
conference from earlier in the year, So just a disaster.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
Burnie. Yeah, I think two things they need to It's
one thing to guarantee some of us if you win
your conference, but that doesn't mean you guarantee a buye.
The second thing, says I think they need to recede
in the second round. Do you agree with that?

Speaker 5 (15:08):
You know, that's a great idea that I guess maybe
it would just be too difficult to have. They're thinking
about the you know, March Madness type of pools and everything,
but those aren't prevalent at all. But they got they
got to do something, and the bottom line is they
you just can't have this. I mean, everyone knows Ohio
State organ are the two best teams and now they're
playing each.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
Other, and that's fair. That's fair. So we'll just leave
it there. I'm just glad we have a playoff. That said,
we have three home favorite or three home underdogs. And
my question to you is this all of the four games,

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which of those you think could be an upset? And
I'm going to give you my answer and it might
shock you, but I want yours first.

Speaker 5 (15:55):
Oh that's interesting. So there are you know, I would
call Ohio State, Oregon, and Notre Dame Georgia close to
pick them games. Sure, so you know on neutral site.
So is Penn State? Can they?

Speaker 6 (16:06):
Could they lose to.

Speaker 5 (16:07):
Boise in Glendale, Arizona? Sure they could, but it's you know,
it's unlikely. I don't see any way Texas is going
to lose the Arizona State in Atlanta. So yeah, but
Boise could be Penn State. It's certainly possible.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
There you go. That's my that's my upset possibility. I
know it's cliche. You can't turn the bowl over, get
yourself in good down and distant situations. And if you
go back and watch the film against Oregon, they kept
asking genty involved the whole game, you ran for like
a buck ninety and two or three touchdowns. That's their blueprint.
They only lost by three at Oregon, never trailed by

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more than a score. And this game is played on
the blue field where Boise has produced more than one miracle.

Speaker 5 (16:48):
So no, it's going to be a red field because I.

Speaker 2 (16:52):
Apologize, you know, I apologize, I apologizes. I'm not completely
I completely misspoke there yet.

Speaker 5 (16:57):
But Boise's still you know, bring up a good point.
It's still in the West Coast, so it's still in
and everyone in Arizona doesn't have a dog in the fight.
It's going to root for Boise here, not for Penn State,
so they will have a crowd advantage.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
You got to remember Penn State was gifted fourteen points
today by an SMU defense. It looked like a drunk
cross like an icy street. Boy, do you want to
do that totally different, DNA.

Speaker 5 (17:20):
It looked like a drunk dude from Costa Rica crossing
an icy street and basically not being used to the ice.
That was really bad play by I know that you
tweeted that you thought, well, the pressure got to him,
but the cold could not have helped Barney.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
Well look fair enough, It's what you would call you know,
an imponderable, but says I watched the kid's eyes. They're
staring at the people chasing him. It would have been
the same thing in seventy two degrees. Cold may not
have helped him, but the heat would not have saved him.
I'm going to go to my grave on that one.
This kid was lost.

Speaker 5 (18:00):
You know, I'm going to die on the general hill
that the market just does not reflect enough the weather differences.
I talked about the Miami Green Bay game earlier in
the NFL, and I really think Tennessee would have been
more competitive if it hadn't been so frigid. I get it,
it's cold in Tennessee. It's colder in Columbus, and that
was advantage.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
Buckeives it is an advantage, but how do you quantify it?
Twenty eight points?

Speaker 5 (18:27):
That's a great point, but it's worth more than a half,
which some people are are saying it's only worth.

Speaker 2 (18:34):
Yes, all right, buddy, let's dive into this lake. There
are already, you know, four games in the books, or
check that three before we head into Sunday. Do you
have any takeaways from the games that have been played?
Denver Chargers Casey Houston Pittsburgh, Baltimore. I continue to believe

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in Kansas City with all my heart, and folks just
want to create this manufactured narrative that they're lucky and
that they must not really be that good because they
don't beat teams for forty every week and they get
block they got a block field goals and you know,
a solar eclipse and all these No, they're just the best.
What we are seeing is a reincarnation of wash Montana

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and that those Bill Watsh defenses were top five. That's
what we're seeing. You got the floor, Well, we.

Speaker 5 (19:24):
Got Hollywood Brown and Pachaco back, and so the offense
is starting to look like an offense again, Bernie. So
you can talk me into Kansas City, who's power rating
I have been carrying at a really low level. You
know it's going to bump higher when they go to
the playoffs and they're going to go all out, which
they don't do during the regular season. So you know,
you could make a case that this is the most

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disrespected dynasty in the history of any major sport in
terms of points spreads in the like. I mean, just
last year in the playoffs, they're catching five points against Baltimore.
You know how that turned out?

Speaker 2 (19:57):
Yeah, I mean, you know, I want to I want
to myself with a chainsaw or some young lady on
ESPN today. Oh, they mean three and a half. I'll
take it all day long. Good for you, Good for you.
How that work out for you based on what back
to back defending champs. Oh, by the way, they're fourteen
to one, and Fez, you mentioned their offense, their defense. Hello,

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that's Bagnola defense. Fifteen sacks in the last four weeks,
pressures hurries. They did their job today, ended the game
on a sack. Iyed Jim Feis. Last night I said,
I'm watching this Kansas City pass rush. Why is no
one talking about it?

Speaker 5 (20:33):
Fez odds because they had a lapse in the middle
of the year where they just weren't playing nearly at
the level. But you know what, they're nine and one,
they're ten to one, they're eleven in one. They don't
need to go all in. And now they see the
light at the end of the tunnel and they're chasing
that number one seed and you can see that they
want it and they're going.

Speaker 6 (20:52):
To get it.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
Sez, let's go through some games here. Cincinnati Cleveland. Cincinnati
mathematically is alive. They're hosting Jameis Winston, who just threw
two more pick sixes in our conversation. Your thoughts on that.

Speaker 5 (21:06):
Game, Well, things have gone from bad to worse. So
it couldn't get worse than Jameis Winston. Or we couldn't
get worse in Watson and then Winston, Well he started
to flame out. And now we have DTR at quarterback
and that is a two point downgrade for Dorian Thompson
Robinson and he can't play Bernie. So I the lines

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up to nine and a half. I could only play
the Bengals that I had to play this game.

Speaker 2 (21:34):
Yeah, you know what, I like DTR. I mean he
was here at Gorman and then in Vegas and then
u c LA. But I think he went to the
Justin Fields quarterback camp. Drop back. Oh there's two wide
open guys. Oh what the hell, I'll just take off
and runs like a play.

Speaker 5 (21:47):
It's spot on. He's a college quarterback. He can't play
in the NFL.

Speaker 2 (21:52):
The Bengals are laying a big number nine, would you
lay it?

Speaker 5 (21:56):
I teez it down to the two and there you
go there, going to the absolutely, we'll see you Cincinnati, all.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
Right, says I really had to hold my nose on
this one, but I can't lie. I grabbed the Bears
in the six and a half points, You got the floor.

Speaker 5 (22:11):
All right? Mandatory forty dollars fine, Bernie. And you know
why because asymmetric risk, you never take plus two and
a half. You never takes plus six and a half.
Plus seven is now a just popped up as being available.
And I agree.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
Are you going to do another forty dollars fine for
bying a half point?

Speaker 5 (22:31):
I know at eighty dollars if you spent more than
ten cents on that, and I know you did because
that cockroach bookies charge through the nose for it. But
the good news is indeed at major books like Bookmaker
right now, I agree with your handicap. Who the heck
are the Lions with all these injuries? Now they were
great before, but if you go back to Thanksgiving, the
Lions were home and they were laying nine and now

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they're laying seven and it's in Chicago, And I know
the Bears have played worse, but the Lions are decimated
on defense. Switts have a big game, revenge game. Swift
over fifty five rush yards Bears plus seven. I concur
with your handicaps, Yeah, and you.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
Bring up a great point, but you don't have to
pay the big if you win the bet now and
the Lions are only two and nine, is road chocolate
more than four points? You got a hot house team,
bad weather, Fez. You know I'm still plugged in Detroit.
They have ten defensive players on IR that started at
one point this season on defense. I think you're going

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to see a game Bear Bears team like you saw
on Thanksgiving Day. It's a divisional game. Detroit is going
to be looking over their shoulder at Philadelphia and Minnesota,
who both also have two losses, and they are feeling
the pressure. Dan Campbell is feeling the pressure. So I
think Detroit can win the game. I don't need to
be a fish better, but it would not surprise me

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if they won by three or a lost dot right, Fez,
I concur.

Speaker 5 (23:52):
We are on the same page. We just have a
little difference in how we're getting at it. Yes, no,
and I'm aniacally. Everyone who hasn't listened to me, I
am the worst guy to end the world to ever
play blackjack with like like literally, if somebody like like
hits twelve against the three when the count's plus four,
I'm like, what are you doing? Are you not card
killing you? You're supposed to stay the count's good. So

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I'm a pain in the neck when it comes.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
With another blackjack analogy. When I see a divisional team
in December, hoth house going on. There's situations here that
this game faz This is like getting eights and aces
and not splitting them. You have to do that is
one of the only statistical advantagies you have over the
dealer because they're not allowed to do it. Fair fair analogy.

Speaker 5 (24:34):
Yes, and I won't bore you with hal if you've
got pocket eights against the ten, you surrender if the
count's plus three or higher. But that's another thing.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
That's an easy one. That's an easy one. I'm with you.
That's but okay, we better get out of this blackjack code.
A trendy play that I am not ready for. The
commando is catching four at home against against the Eagles,
and people I respect to fired on the commandos.

Speaker 5 (24:58):
Your thoughts, Yeah, now the market is flipping them the bird?
What do I mean by that? Because the command the
commedis went down to three or early in the week,
and now all the money, the real money, the big
limit money is coming in on the Eagles, Bernie. They're
up to minus four in a lot of spots, and
I agree with it. I think the two teams going

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in opposite directions, Eagles might be the best team in
the NFL. If I had to, I'd lay.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
It, all right, I'm just not going to be involved
in that game. But again, another divisional team getting points
at home. I think this Eagles team is absolutely for real,
maybe the most complete team in football right now. Live
in Buffalo. Flip a coin and they're a phenomenal second
half team, all right. Another trendy play arizonaly in five
and a half at Carolina. This feels like a pretty

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good spot play for me. I only in five and
a half points on the road. It would not surprise
me if Arizona won by double digits.

Speaker 5 (25:51):
Yeah, I would leand Arizona. One thing I will say
about Buffalo, I'm going to disagree. I don't think Buffalo
is complete at all. Buffalo is just freaking awesome on offense,
so that offense.

Speaker 2 (26:01):
Is tunistic on defense. Two, faz, don't go to sleep
on that they're not that bad. You got it. Let's
I didn't mean to interrupt you, but let's channel the
two thousand and nine New Orleans Saints who beat Indianapolis
in twenty ten. I know because I was driving across
country moving to Vegas that Saints defense was not great,

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but it was good enough to complement a phenomenal offense,
which you just talked about in Buffalo. So you don't
need to be the eighty five Bears on defense if
you have Buffalo's offense.

Speaker 5 (26:34):
I concur with that. Buffalo absolutely contender.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
All right, another fairly trendy play. Some people I respect
are actually laying the heavy wood. Minus fourteen is Buffalo
hosts New England's tempting.

Speaker 5 (26:48):
Yeah, I can't do it, just because you know, the Bills.
I don't like get distracted team. So they had the
two feet of snow, they had the snow game, right,
and then they had the game against the Rams where
you know, with the shootout, and then they have the
game against the Lions with the shootout. And so now
they come back home and I'm sure there's more snow
in Buffalo, and they can exhale and they can relax
a little bit. Of course they're going to win. I

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just can't. I can't be laying fourteen given these other
high leverage games they just played.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
Yeah, there's not a great future for your bank roll
if you go around laying double digits for any reason,
especially against a divisional opponent. However, Fez, there are objective truth,
there are personal feelings. How can New England score in
this game? They couldn't score with a fist full of
fifties in a women's prison right now?

Speaker 5 (27:39):
Yeah, I mean, offensively, they have played better. You know,
I'll go ahead and I'll put New England down for twenty.
But you're right, I don't know, man, seventeen to twenty
will that be enough? We know this Buffalo doesn't punt Bernie.
That offense is awesome.

Speaker 2 (27:56):
Yeah, you just the Winds offense is playing batter or
that's the extreme optis of my friend. That's Alfred Ogilvie
and Bad News Bears. When coach Buttermaker said relaxed kids
Rome wasn't built in the day, he goes, no, coach,
it took several hundred years anyway, by channel Bad News Bears,
all right, the Atlanta Michael Pennix's since when does a

(28:18):
rookie have the right to lay eight and a half
points in his debut. I don't care if it get
it's against the Giants. I don't care if against the
Hopoken Zephyrs. I play half a unit on the New
York Giants. Just on principle, you don't put a rookie
at an NFL game in his first start ever, in
a high leverage situation like this and lay eight and

(28:40):
a half.

Speaker 5 (28:41):
Well, presumably Lanta knows what they got more than I do,
when Kirk Cousins has been struggling so much. But yeah,
I mean there's too many unknowns. This is one of
those eight and a half point favorites I'm not going
to use in the teaser because I think that there
is variance. You know, from memory, Ogleby struggled big time
early in the season, but by the end of the
year he was killing the boy. But in fact he

(29:01):
hit a big double in the championship game.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
If I recall correctly, that was that in it was
that in Bad News Bears two or one. That was
they didn't make the championship game, in Bad News Bearers
won and.

Speaker 5 (29:13):
Bad News Bearers one. The Yankee coach came out and
so that's right, boy, they got the double again.

Speaker 2 (29:18):
That's God rested his soul. Yeah, I don't want to
tell people hitch.

Speaker 5 (29:24):
Him woe and outside, whoa and outside and then he
beans ogilvy the next pitch. And then they were smart.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
Enough did they start Carmon Ronsoni that they all was
complain about stinking mound.

Speaker 5 (29:36):
No, no, no warm up, bad field bull crap.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
Yeah that was Tanner Boyle or or fiery shortstop. All right.
The Rams Land's short number against the Jets on the road, Dots.

Speaker 5 (29:52):
Twenty degrees Lean Jets plus three.

Speaker 2 (29:55):
Really yes, Okay, let's just move on from that game,
because is I'm tired of all the Rams love they're
you know, when Safford's got in Akoua and cup, they're competitive,
but they we'll see, all right. Another trendy games, Seattle
catching three at home against Minnesota. People I respect think
Seattle wins this game out right?

Speaker 5 (30:15):
Your thoughts, okay, And by the way, I'm just giving
you Lians. I'm not actually betting all these games. So
these are just the Lians. Yeah, only about the games
you like. And maybe that I say with the Leans,
you know what, Green Bay was just laying three and
crushed Seattle. And now Gino's not one hundred percent. So
until I see Geno's healthy, I can't do it. I
cannot invest in Seattle.

Speaker 2 (30:36):
I don't know why Minnesota doesn't get more respect. They
have the same record as the Lions and the Eagles.
Conversation for a different day, all right. Tampa Bay visits Dallas.
Baker Mayfield spectacular week last week, eighty one percent completion
rate through for two ninety four touchdowns. The Bucks are good.
They're They're not great, but they're good. I expect them

(30:59):
to roll over Dallas. And I'm not betting the game.
Your thoughts, I have.

Speaker 5 (31:02):
A prop bet and Scott Seinberg passes on to me
Bernie and I do love this. Mike Evans gets a
huge bonus if he gets two hundred and fifty more
passing yards, and he needs to get like eighteen catches. Further,
he's chasing a thousand yard season, which would put him
with the NFL elite all time. So Mayfield has come
out and said, I'm going to get Evans the ball.

(31:24):
So Evan's over five and a half catches sure looks
good to me.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
Fortunately, Mike Evans never gets hurt, he'll never Oh, you know.

Speaker 5 (31:32):
For a guy, isn't it amazing? He has a string
of nine straight thousand yard seasons and he's hurt every
year and he's so amazing.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
Well, that's why I can't bet props, man. I just don't.
I had a many years ago. You have horses for course.
Is one of the Lakers, Derek. All he had to
do is make over one and a half three pointers
and you roll his ankle the first player of the game,
And okay, I think I know what I need not
to do anymore. Last game on the board. It's an
odd line to me. The Niners laying one at Miami.

(32:02):
Your thoughts.

Speaker 5 (32:04):
You know, I liked Miami and all the professionals are
betting with both this on San frand that's now the
one half point favorite. Let's tease Miami. It should be
a close game. I need something to tease the Bengals with, right,
So let's use Miami up from plus one a half
to plus seven f If you don't like that as
a teaser, you could certainly use Jacksonville against the Raiders alternatively,

(32:25):
same sort of situation.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
All right, says, do you have best bet for the
folks that you would care to share.

Speaker 5 (32:32):
Monday night football, Green Bay Packers. If you've been watching
these Packers, they want the ball, they strike first, they
strike hard, no mercy that it's a point of emphasis
for them to get the lead. So we're gonna play
the Packers in the first half, Bernie minus eight against
what's left of the New Orleans Saints.

Speaker 2 (32:50):
They're gonna crush New Orleans. I agree. I agree, that's
going to be there's a theory that there will not
allow children under sixty to watch that game because it
could be very violent, be very violent. I love the
cheese heads man number six seed. I like everything you're
doing there. Give you know. They're a young team, they're
a hungry team, they are talented team.

Speaker 6 (33:10):
I like it.

Speaker 5 (33:12):
It's a deadpool game, Bernie. It's going to get ugly
r rated.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
What what would mister T predict for this game? In
one word? Payne, look at you? You know what? It
went even better than it didn't rehearsal, nicely done, fast,
nicely done. All right, enjoy. I know you're off next week,
but we'll have you back. Are you still coming back
to do this anymore? Are you retiring?

Speaker 5 (33:36):
We'll have our contract negotiations. We'll see what we can
we can cook up here. Maybe I just go and
across the Atlantic and jam with the stones.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
Bernie, Okay, Well, you can't get you can't always get
what you want, but you find sometimes you get what
you need. That is Stevesick. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you.

Speaker 6 (33:55):
Bernie.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
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the NFL this week? We kind of touched upon it
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Speaker 2 (34:37):
All right back at the Bernie Frattle Show, Fox Sports
Radio come to live through Tarak dot Com studios here
in Las Vegas. So Atlanta hosts the New York Giants
Sunday late and eight and a half. And you know
your quarterback must be in one hell of a deep

(34:58):
funk when you're gonna bench him, and even though you
know you've guaranteed him one hundred million dollars and you're
going to replace him with a rookie. Nonetheless, a fine,
fine looking young rookie who had the good common sense
to order a hot dog at Costco, although he got

(35:20):
the call while he was in line, and all of
a sudden, he said, I wasn't hungry no more. I
get it because you got that not in your stomach
and you're excited to make your NFL debut and your
team is number nine in the overall seed in the
playoff picture is to have a twenty four percent chance
to make the playoffs. And so ladies and gentlemen, boys
and girls, police stay seated for the entire performance. Rookie

(35:43):
Michael Panics and the Falcons are heading into their well.
I guess it's not the penultimate game, because it's not
second to last it's the third to last. Knowing knowing,
whatever happens Sunday could very much decide the team's playoff fate,

(36:03):
and that's going to be Michael Pennix's debut as a
starter in the National Football League. The good news is
they host the lowly Giants. The bad news is they're
still an NFL team, And as Jim Leaving the once
told me, yeah, they get scholarships on the other side
there as well. And yes they're on a nine game

(36:25):
losing streak, but NFL teams riding a nine game losing
streak in the last twenty five years are actually eighteen
and eight against the spread in that tenth game, including
six and one in the last seven. Meanwhile, the Falcons

(36:46):
and I don't want to hear that it's a must win,
the dumbest argument in all the sports when making a
case to Handy Kapan must win. You probably already know this,
but there are thirty two teams in the National Football League.
Thirty one of the thirty two will lose the game
they must win. So must win is not a motivation

(37:09):
be that as it made. It's a lot of points.
So how does this happen? And could the sports gods,
maybe once throw the Falcons a bone. They drafted Matt
Ryan third overall in two thousand and eight. He started
two hundred and thirty two to two hundred and thirty
five games, lasted thirteen years, got to win Super Bowl.
You know what happened there. But since then it's been brutal.
And with your Marcus Mariota, who's five and eight, Desmond Rider,

(37:31):
he's eight and nine, Taylor Heineke won and three, and
Cousins one hundred million dollars seven and seven. His performance
made this necessary. Cousins performance made it necessary to make
a change in the last five games. Cousins, who's thirty
six not fifty six, nine interceptions and his dropback EPA
is worse than James bent Winston who also got benched,

(37:53):
and Toimy DeVito. Atlanta went one and four. Meanwhile, Michael
Penick says the chance now to prove that Atlanta might
have been more shrewd than people realized on draft day.
He had a strong preseason, and he obviously has all
the requisites, but in the first twenty minutes, let's just

(38:14):
put it this way, what has ever happened in the
past is strong preseason game against the Dolphins, which people
want to talk about. He's twenty four years old. He
does make a lot of throws and he was nine
to sixteen for one hundred and four yards. But he
does have the arm strength, he's got the aggression of
the attitude. He can manipulate a defense. But and Cousins

(38:39):
can no longer do that, apparently. But now here's Michael Pennis,
the third quarterback Atlanta's drafted in the first round in
the last fifteen years, and he's going to join the
other two, Ryan and Michael. Vick is giving this team
the opportunity to finally get the Falcons into the playoffs.
This is a high pressure, high leverage situation. Sorry, I've

(39:00):
taken eight and a half points and you can tweet
at me tomorrow that I'm an idiot. Maybe I am,
but laying eight and a half points a rookie, I've
seen this too many times. He may go out have
a day the New York Giants. No. And then, by
the way, you heard what the Cowboys said last week.
They were pissed. They were runner daughters to the Carolina
Watch this game tomorrow. It's gonna be a real referendum

(39:22):
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The National Basketball Association three words. It's that time. Mark
Medina are Fox Sports Radio NBA Guru. Mark, Good evening,

(40:07):
how are you.

Speaker 6 (40:09):
I'm doing well, Bernie. You always have the drill when
it's midnight. It's always a good time because that means
I'm talking basketball too.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
Now we'll be doing it a lot here in the
next ten days too. I'll be sitting for Mallard a
couple of times. The headlines don't stop coming. I want
to start with this one though, Mark that honestly I
think flew under the radar. Now I live in Las Vegas.
The NBA Cup last year was exciting. This year it
was a dead arena and that's been flown under the radar.

(40:36):
Do you have any thoughts Takeaway's opinions on that.

Speaker 6 (40:40):
Well, it certainly doesn't help that the Lakers or the
Golden State Warriors that are New York next, or the
Boston Selex weren't in the n Citason Torment or the
NBA Cup Final. Those are all obviously big market teams
that have bigger audiences. So when you have a team
like the Milwaukee Bucks Oklahoma City Thunders, small market, that's

(41:01):
what happens. But I think this is also something frankly,
that the NBA was, you know, dreadfully anticipating before the
NBA Cup even started. I was on a conference call
with Evan Weiss, who's the nba is executive vice president
of Basketball Strategy, and you know, for the listener that
doesn't care about titles, he's basically the guru that oversees

(41:24):
the n Season Torment, NBA Cup, and he mentioned that
even though Las Vegas has been a fantastic homb in
his words for this in season tournament, he mentioned that
the NBA is not committed to Las Vegas beyond this season.
I think one of the reasons was they want to
keep all options on the table to see how this evolved.

(41:44):
But I think they're also very mindful that it may
not have the kind of atmosphere that you would hope
that would mirror, almost like a Final Four atmosphere, because
you know, if you don't have big market teams, they
don't travel as much.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
Now, that's an excellent point, which I think is going
to segue into our next conversation, which we might get
into this a couple of layers deep. It's the recurring
narrative mark and no one can hide behind this anymore.
NBA ratings are down, and when Joe Missoula says, hell,
I don't even watch the NBA something else, I have

(42:22):
my thoughts. But rather than lead to Witness or Steven
or the conversation, I want to hear you first. And
I just don't think it can be cord cutting anymore.
I have a theory, but let's hear yours first.

Speaker 6 (42:33):
Yeah, well, we all know the external caveats of the
cord cut in. You know, people were paying attention to
the election, the World Series. I'm with you, it goes
beyond that, you know, the regular season, even with the
fact that they've trod to add some bells and whistles
at the same season tournament and having stronger player participation policy.
Casual fans aren't tuning in during the regular season. They

(42:55):
have this attitude of wake me up when the playoffs start.
Now here's the thing, Bernie. The NBA is never going
to say this out loud, but you know it is
something to be aware of. Of course, they want more
and more, you know, viewers to tune in, but that's
not what drives the revenue. Ratings don't determine that. What
determines the revenue are the TV rights deals. And the

(43:20):
TV rights deals they just signed would significantly higher and
you think, well, why is that. Well, I think cable
companies have made the pragmatic decision and even if they
are losing viewers, to accelerate their devise even more, all
you need to do is say, hey, let's not have
live sports program that's number one. Number two. You know,

(43:41):
there are a lot of streaming options, for better and
for worse. You know there's an audience there that doesn't
watch a live watch on replay. But I think on
the other side of the coin, it's been disruptive with
trying to find options on streaming because league tasks has
a lot of hiccups. It's subject of blackout dates and
local market Uh. You know, people who are subscribers to

(44:03):
multiple platforms can attest that sometimes there's logging issues with passwords.
So it's not the most easy, consumer friendly way to
try to find a way to watch a game. But
I think that we have to keep in mind that
the NBA and the owners haven't said too much because
it hasn't affected the bottom line. The reality is what

(44:24):
drives the revenue is more of the TV right, steel
as a whole and Jersey sales and attendance, and so far,
for the most part, it's been good on that front.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
Adam Silver needs to send you a commission. We know
the NBA is printing money, but you because you very
definitely you know, you very definitely patent push. I've become
complimenting you.

Speaker 6 (44:47):
Oh, I don't need an invoice from them. I'm just
speaking you know, all the different variables here.

Speaker 2 (44:54):
No, they should send you a commission for you. But look,
I get it. I went into great length last year
when the contract was inked, and you know, so that's
not the issue. Before I give my quick thought that
I want you to respond to Lebron James waited. You know,
it's rare for him to enter a conversation, whether he's

(45:14):
invited or not. It's really wonderful to hear what he's
got to say. Now, the cliche about all the shoot
too many threes, I'm completely dismissive of that, But that's
his premise. Do you hold any credences that's the only
reason people aren't watching because they shoot too many threes.
I don't. I don't agree.

Speaker 6 (45:30):
Yeah, I don't agree with that either. Now, look, you
look up the stats this year. You know the Boston
Celis are averaging over fifty three is a game, and
you know, sometimes there have been games where you feel like,
you know what, like let's pass the ball a little
bit more and not just chuck, let's play some defense.
But I will say this, I think there's a lot

(45:51):
of games, staying back to last season this season that
are competitive. They are allowing games to play through contact
and there's a lot of skill involved. It's not like
teams are shooting threes the same way they did in
the All Star Game, which was abominable. It's a different
way they're doing it because they have the personnel, and

(46:12):
that's how the rule changes are. And I think one
thing that we have to keep in mind to the
listener here when they talk about, oh, well, it was
so much better in the nineties and the early two thousands. Look,
we all have selective nostalgic memory. Yeah, the times when
we saw Michael Jordan win championships and Kobe Bryant and
Shaquille O'Neil win championships, those were entertaining moments. But there's

(46:35):
a lot of bad regular season moments too. And it's
not a coincidence that the NBA changed its rules in
the early two thousands that eliminate hand checking to produce
a lot higher scoring games, because it was their calculus
that the game was getting way too rug and too
ugly and people were tuning out. And so these things

(46:58):
are cyclical, and what I'm getting at is that the
NBA will respond accordingly. I think leading into All Star
weekend last year, they did, you know, pass a word
to their thoughts that the referees got to allow teams
to be more physical, and as a result, you saw
defenses improve in the second half of the season. And

(47:20):
you know, they have a competition committee that implements rules,
so I want to be surprised that they do tinker
with things. Not to put a cap on number of threes,
because that could lead to more problems. But you know,
just implement rules that give teams an incentive to not
always rely on the three point shot. But look the
two pass out of the tube. There's so many skilled

(47:42):
players that can shoot threes. There are benefits with space
in the floor when you can shoot threes, well, that
produce points in the paint for big men. So yeah,
to your point, I think it's a simplistic thing to say, Yeah,
teams shoot two many threes. That's why people are tuning.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
Here's my theory. Hear me out because I have a
long history of ties to the NBA. Not so much currently,
but I was an intern at the Forum Magic's Rickie
Year had full access, saw it all most of his
court side. I was a stringer in nineteen eighty eight
for the Old Herald Examiner for the nineteen eighty eight
Bad Boy Pistons. In that series it went seven, moved
to Detroit, covered the Pistons in official capacity, covered Larry

(48:24):
Brown's teams. Where am I going with this? So let's
also be honest that the NBA ratings are not only
down the women's college basketball ratings, you're down thirty eight percent. Well,
why Caitlin Clark's not there anymore? Which leads to a
theory and Dick Shapp always compliment. I mean one of
my favorite pieces and that is, we don't have royalty

(48:46):
in this country. Mark, Our athletes and our entertainers are
our royalty. And at one time we had Kareem West, Jordan,
Isaiah Byrd, Magic, Kobe right on down the line. These
are players with panache, real savoir faire. Who we have
now Lebron, Luca, Kobe. I mean no, we had Kobe.
We don't have any Kyrie. Now, Okay, where am I

(49:07):
going with this? I don't think that our fandom in
America is very personal. I don't think people give a
damn about these players. Whether they shoot threes or they
run the pick and roll, they don't care. They're not
compelling to watch. Brilliant athletes, technicians, skill level off the charts,
but when you add it all up, they don't measure

(49:27):
up to what I would consider the royalty past the
NBA players are. And that's not an old take. It
it's reality. Caitlin Clark's gone too. The ratings are down
thirty eight percent in women's basketball. So who are the
new torch Bears? You can't name one. I don't think
anybody can name one. And that's the larger issue.

Speaker 6 (49:47):
Yeah, there's a lot of things unpack here. Yeah, there's
not that defined generational star like Michael Jordan obviously, Lebron
James and Steph Curry and Kevin Durant are you know
still driving? Uh, you know, being being the faces of
the league and the Ogs and when they play, there's
a larger incentive for people to buy tickets and to

(50:09):
tune in. There are a handful of those younger players,
but out a singular player like a Jason Tatum and
Anthony Edwards, Victor Imbiniama. These are all nice appetizers so
to speak, but not good enough for entres. But I
think the other thing that we have to be mindful of,
which makes each era different, that for better and for worse,

(50:33):
the social media era changes things. You know, On one hand,
the NBA will say, you, look, we've grown because there's
so much engagement on social media from a global standpoint
and just people watching highlight reels. But the other thing
is that's oversaturated thing, the kind of the scare, the
longest scarcity in economics, and just the idea of it's

(50:55):
a novelty to watch an NBA game. That excitement is
no longer here because you can literally watch any game
you want with League pass on replay, and so it's
not that kind of appointment viewing that people in previous
errors were used to. And so I think all these
things factor into what we're saying. I think the complicated thing,

(51:19):
Bernie is clearly we've outlined so many different variables I
have contributed to this kind of discussion to stay of
the NBA, and that makes it that much more challenging
on how to address it because there's so many reasons
I contribute to it that one singular solution like let's
do an NBA Cup isn't going to fundamentally solve the problem.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
Talking with Mark Medina and Adina Magic here every Saturday
night on the Bernie Fratto Show our Fox Sports Radio,
NBA goog you like to get below the surface and
tackle these journalists? Did you send us?

Speaker 6 (51:54):
Yeah? I was going to say, like one thing I've
also have noticed in recent years being at the arenas themselves.
There's not as much buzz in arenas anymore. A lot
of it is even though people are in the stands,
you know, people are glued to their phones. The reaction
to plays, it's not as excite as it was before.

(52:15):
Arenas are blasting music even more to make up for
kind of that lack of arena atmosphere. And I'm speaking
as someone who's still in their thirties and not saying, oh,
you know, these kids today play loud music. I play
loud music still. I have noticed the dectible levels rising higher.
And the reason why they're doing that is fans aren't

(52:38):
as into the game as they were before. They're much
more into their phone. They're much more about kind of
the social event with being with friends as opposed to
watching the actual game and reacting accordingly.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
But that doesn't translate to Major League Baseball. There was
major buzz around the country this year. Doesn't translate to
the NHL, where there's tremendous buzz even right here in
Las Vegas. Doesn't translate to the National Football League. I'm
telling you, the NBA has a problem with the next
generation what I consider to be transcendent athletes that people

(53:11):
like Now I'm not attacking these guys personally. I don't
know any of them. But the bottom line is this,
let's move forward. This is this is essentially a conversation
where there is no definitive, uh you know, a solution.
And I don't want to we don't want to sound
like an irrational freak herd. But the truth of the

(53:32):
matter is they're concerned. They're concerned in the NBA Ivory Tower,
and they can figure it out. They got plenty of
money to print. I want to go back to the
Lakers because all of a sudden, in the last three games,
they look really good. I'm not backing off my prediction
that there'll be a playing team. Look, they're the only
team in the winning record in the NBA that's got
a negative point differential. But somehow they've bolted past Golden State,

(53:54):
the Clippers, the Nuggets to fifth place. Now, who the
real Lakers? Because they go through these stretches where they
look like world beaters for three games and then you know,
they become a punchline and then they go back and forth.
Who are the real Lakers? Yeah?

Speaker 6 (54:09):
The real Lakers is that they are a team that's
always going to be a few games above or below
five hundred, they have a chance to be a good team,
but also have a chance to what the bet in
certain games. I think why this three game winning streaks
happened is a few things. I think the most notable
is that Lebron James sat for a whole week where

(54:31):
he missed two games, had plenty of time to rest,
and that really rejuvenated him physically and mentally with his
left foot injury and just the fact that he's eight
days away from turning forty in his twenty second season.
But this is all very fluid subject of change. Last week,
when I asked him upon his return to what extent

(54:52):
he felt that this left foot injury is behind him,
he made it clear that the injury isn't behind him.
So this is always object and to change day to day.
But in the very short term you have Lebron playing
at a better level than when he was very noticeably
gassed the previous four games on that poor road trip

(55:13):
that you know led to him sitting down for a week.
Anthony Davis has been consistent all season. He's still, you know,
maintain that even though he an Expliciveloye missed a para
freezers in crunch time that almost cost them tonight's game
against the Kings. You have someone like Ruly Hatchamore that
made some key plays with that tip in, and you know,

(55:35):
I think Austin Reeves coming back has also helped, you know,
with their continuity and their depth. But they're a team
that still has a lot of things that leave them
vulnerable because Lebron's health is always going to be fluid.
Jared Vanderbilt hasn't even played in a game yet and
it's not clear when he'll return, and he was expected
to me to be that main frontcore player that could

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compliment Anthony Davis on defense, and so far obviously that
hasn't been the case. So you know, they're in fifth
place right now in the West. But we could be
having a very different conversation later next week, well we could.

Speaker 2 (56:14):
And credit to Lebrown. He had a hell of a
game Saturday night. And I see that in spite of
the fact he was one of eight from behind the
arc thirty four very productive minutes. He was all over
the place thirty two points plus ten point differential. Don'ton
connect what's the latest with him? Because I know he's
a rookie, but you know, five minutes didn't score, is

(56:37):
he okay?

Speaker 6 (56:38):
Yeah, as far as I know, I think that. You know, look,
JJ Reddick has been trying to have fluid rotations, and
you know, he didn't play a lot of minutes against
the King's only five minutes. He's gone through a fairly
tough shooting stretch after shooting lights out at the beginning
of the season. And one of the things that JJ
Richs rely try to emphasize at Dawn Connect Connect told

(57:00):
me this during training camp, but he doesn't want to
be seen as just this great shooter. He wants to
be a complete player. And he has made strides with
his defense, with his off ball cutting, but you know,
it hasn't been enough. And so you know, when you're
looking at players outside Lebron and Ad, JJ Redick has
fluctuated his rotations to try to find the right combinations.

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And right now, Max Christie, I think has shown that
he's been a really good two way player and some
of his early season struggles are behind him. But again,
it's a long season. I'm sure he'll get more meaningful
mens than just five. But we do have to keep
in mind that he's also a rookie.

Speaker 2 (57:42):
It's the last thing, mark and we've only got a
minute or so. But give me your thoughts from thirty
thousand feet on the new NBA All Star Game. Four Man,
I'm going to have a commentary on it. I think
it's a debacle, but I want to hear what you
got to say.

Speaker 6 (57:55):
Yeah, I feel the same way. I mean, I feel
like it reeks of you know, the parents trying to
convince their kids eat their vegetables or convince their kids
to get good grades, and every sales pitch is falling short,
every stern lecture is being ignored. So now they're you know, incentivizing, saying, hey,
if you do this, I'll give you an allowance. And

(58:16):
you kind of think, you know, why are you gained
down this road where every little good deed warrants a
participation trophy. The reality I think NBA players should keep
in mind is that one of the reasons why their
salary is so high is because of the size of
the TV contracts. And this goes hand in hand. These

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media companies are paying a lot of money to showcase
these games, especially the tempole events, because they want them
to put on a major show, and so even if
before this year the players weren't quote unquote being paid.
This is an ability to sell the product and spin
it forward, and so it's unfortunate that that has gotten

(58:56):
lost in translation. But you know, the NBA hopes that
this can add more spice after the last two terrible
debacles of All Star Games. And I think in the
very short term it can, because we saw that with
the elon ending four years ago leading to a better game.
But we also have seen that it then fizzles out

(59:16):
the next season. So I'm very skeptical. It has to
start with the players actually giving a you know what, Well.

Speaker 2 (59:23):
Here's the thing, Mark, there's a fundamental dichotomy here. We
know that players want to be recognized as All Stars,
they want to be voted in as All Stars, they
want to be named All Stars. They don't want to
play in the game. The game is not saligible anymore.
The NFL recognize this, It is not saligible. When is

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the NBA simply going to recognize this?

Speaker 6 (59:46):
Well, I think the NBA thought is that, well, this
is a temple event. That's a major TV moment, and
this is part of why the TV rights deal went up, right,
because they can sell the playoffs and the end season
tournament All Star. That's why they're not doing away with it.
I will say this, there are some reasonable patchwork things

(01:00:09):
that could address it. I will defend the players when
they say that the NBA and all the TV, all
the team partners, they're loading up their schedule with all
these sponsorship appearances that it wears them out by the
time the game starts. If you reduce that, maybe it helps.
But I think the All Star Game itself, instead of

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having the seats go to all these corporate sponsors, have
discounted tickets for fans that otherwise won't be able to
be an NBA game. This is a novelty and they
will react accordingly to having it be a best atmosphere.
But I have to stress it starts with the players. Look,
we're not talking about play an All Star Game like
it's Game seven the NBA Finals. Just put on a

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show and act like you care.

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
Mark great stuff. I will put this segment up against
any basketball conversation out there right now, and Adam, that's yes, Listen,
I get it. True greatness needs no self promotion.

Speaker 6 (01:01:08):
But I said it all right, Well, I appreciate your
kind words means a lot because you do a hell
of a job and you've done it great for a while.
So always looking forward to these great NBA segments with
you this week.

Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
Yes, and we'll see you again soon before well, we'll
figure it out. Will be hearing, We'll be hearing you
a lot.

Speaker 6 (01:01:26):
Yeah, for happy holidays, Merry Christmas.

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
Right back at you, Mark, Mark Medina Adina Magic. He
is our Fox Sports NBA guru, and we go way
beyond the box scores. Coming up, I want to share
with you the NBA plan for the All Star Game.
I'm calling it the Debacle weekend. Keep it locked. You're
listening to the Bernie Fradle Show on Fox Sports Radio.

(01:01:48):
All right, back at the Bernie Fratle Show, Fox Sports Radio,
coming live from the Tarak dot Com studios here in
Las Vegas. Well, yeah, by the way, about ninety minutes
away from the dance Sensation sweep of the nation. Then,
of course, is what kind of brand new fool you
followed by what my name fresh additions? We got a

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lot to get to before that though. All right, you
heard Mark Mandine and I talking about the new NBA
All Star Game. Iteration, reiteration, new fangled shot in the
dark at potential credibility. Sure, sure, So this is now
the NBA's latest and I consider it to be one

(01:02:33):
of the more drastic efforts to make. This attempt to
resuscitate an All Star game that has been dead for
over a decade. They announced Tuesday that we replaced the
traditional All Star game. Are you ready for it? A
pickup style tournament. Wait, we can do shirts and skins.

(01:02:54):
I think they should. Yeah, that'd be a wrinkle. Why not?
And who are going to be the team captains? All hell?
Why not Charles Barkley, Shaquille O'Neal, and Kenny Smith. But
red clots wasn't available, So make sure you pitch a ten,
because this is going to be a circus see now
instead of a single All Star game where you can

(01:03:15):
watch a whole lot of nothing and lay up gunkline
while everybody high fives and smiles at each other and
pretends they're actually putting together a product. They're you know.
And by the way, that single All Star game, if
you want to call it that, it's been traditionally played
on Sunday. Now, the NBA is going to host a
one day tournament featuring four teams made up of eight

(01:03:38):
players each. Now, this format's going to debut on February sixteenth.
February sixteenth, now, I believe that is also with Sunday.
It's the Sunday following the Super Bowl. The Super bowls
on the ninth in the Golden State Warriors. They will,

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you know, they get the honors this year hosting the
annual All Star festivities, if you want to call it that.
So you'll have three teams that are consisted of twenty
four players and they'll be selected as All Stars. Barkley,
Charles Barkley, Shaquille O Mino, Kenny Smith. They're going to
draft the teams that will be known as Now, how's

(01:04:18):
this freak? This is really creative. Now you really get
my attention, Team Chuck. Let's see, I guess it'd be
Barkley's team, Team Shack. Now that wouldn't be Keny, that
would be O'Neil's team. Yeah, and then Team Kenny, Team Chuck,
Team Shack, Team Kenny. I feel like this is starting

(01:04:39):
to sound like an episode of South Park. I'm actually
don mark my outstanding. So they're gonna by the way,
don't miss this, my god, cancel anything. You got going.
The draft's gonna be conducted on T and T on
February sixth, which I believe is a Thursday, and similar

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to previous All Star drafts that consisted of two players.
You remember in the past, you had two players choosing
two teams. Now you've got Team Kenny, Team Chuck, and
Team Shack selecting three eight man teams. But oh there's more.
Remember remember what I said earlier. There will be four teams.
The fourth team will be the winner of the Rising

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Stars Challenge that will be held on Friday, February fourteen.
Four teams made up of first and second year NBA
players in G League standouts. They're going to play a
three game tournament to crown a champion. Now I wonder
if Brownie James would be allowed to play in that game. Damn,
we made it through a whole segment with Mark Medina

(01:05:46):
without bringing up Brownie James. Shame on me. So the
tournament will consist of two semi finals and a championship game,
each of which will be played to forty point no
time clock. You played a forty I guess they're even

(01:06:08):
going to see these teams, But as of yet, the
league hasn't announced how they would see these teams, if
they're going to be seated, or they even will be seated. Okay,
Kevin Durant, I've always liked Kevin Durant. I just think
he's a real dude, a phenomenal player. I loved him

(01:06:30):
at Texas. I get a kick out of him when
he fires back on so you just do. He's weighed
in on the new format three words. He hates it.
Good for you, Kevin, you're paying attention. I have to
agree with Durant, all right, this is gimmickry. I think
it diminishes the NBA product. And I've done my best

(01:06:56):
to research this and to try to describe to you
what the hell does all means peewee, And I think
I've done a reasonably credible job based on the information
that exists out there. But it doesn't feel like a simple,
straightforward thing. And I just don't I don't feel like
it has a whole hell of a lot of gravy

(01:07:18):
toss or merit or It's like, I don't think people
are going to be suffering from a lot of fomo if,
for whatever reason, you know, they decide to go to
their bowling league, or paint their house or watch the
paint dry in lieu of watching this. Sorry, NBA, it
doesn't feel right to me. I'll tell you what. Let's do.
I want to bring in the crew on this one.

(01:07:39):
I don't care if you're an NBA fan or not,
but Shait, I want to start with you. So you
heard what I said, keep it simple. Will you watch
any of this?

Speaker 7 (01:07:51):
Yeah, I mean I'm not your average NBA fan, Like
I kind of like it a little bit more than others,
even being a Laker fan.

Speaker 2 (01:07:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:08:00):
Yeah, like I've been, I've been happy recently, Like there
hasn't been a lot of negatives to say, so, I mean, yeah,
I'll watch it just to see what's going on with it,
maybe just to spark it. Definitely sparks my interest because
in the end, it has been slightly boring watching the NBA.

Speaker 8 (01:08:17):
So maybe it could be a highlight. Who knows, we'll see.

Speaker 2 (01:08:19):
But well, I'm glad you okay, So let's continue this
for a second because I'm glad you couched it that way.
I want to make one thing abundantly clear. Should folks
elect to avail themselves with this, why not? So America
Baby Live How you want to live. I'm not for it,
but we are in a society right now that you know.

(01:08:41):
If if you don't vote for who I vote for,
not only are you wrong, you're an idiot? Well no, no, no, no,
our midnight hour on Friday night. Say, I've always encouraged
that the most boring conversations are when people just agree.
So to that end, shape, Look this sounds to me. Look,
you're an NBA fan. Fair, So this is as part
of the NBA product. They're not going to be any

(01:09:02):
games for those three days. You want to sample and
see what it's all about. Right, is that fair?

Speaker 8 (01:09:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (01:09:07):
Exactly, I'll sample it. I mean I might not sit
down and make a whole event out of it. I
might just throw it on and see if it's something
I enjoy. If I don't enjoy it, obviously I'm going
to turn it off. But I will definitely try it out.
Because not trying it out and just saying oh yeah,
blah blah blah, because we don't know what it is.
No one knows what it is. No one knows if
it's going to be good or not. So right now,
it's just opinions, and it's opinions. That aren't really backed

(01:09:28):
by anything. So it's like, of course I'm going to
watch it, like why not? But it might suck. It
definitely might suck. What ares I go in with no
expectations down in the NBA, I've realized that people give
things too many like, especially when it comes to sports.
Obviously I have expectations when it comes to playoffs and
all that, but during the regular season, you're you're kind

(01:09:51):
of just playing with such a weird product that like,
I try to go in with none, but I only yeah,
like I I hope it's good. That's all I really
want to.

Speaker 2 (01:10:02):
Say, Mark Rams, are your thoughts.

Speaker 1 (01:10:07):
I go into this with the idea that, okay, disclaimer,
I don't watch much of basketball anymore. I will watch
the results. I'll watch, you know, highlights of how the
games go, how the games ended, just to see a
little bit of what's going on. But the overall thing

(01:10:28):
is I don't have much enthusiasm because basketball the players
don't seem to have a certain urgency to make the
game or to you know, be competitive with each other.
It always appears that everybody's they're all friends and there's

(01:10:48):
no friction between teams. I don't mean start a fight.
I just be teammates and I want my team to
beat your team, and I don't see much of that.
So when it comes to pulling for a team, if
my favorite team doesn't act like they really want to
do it, I don't have much empathy or excitement to watch.

(01:11:10):
There's nothing for me. I'm not getting anything out of
the competition.

Speaker 2 (01:11:14):
Okay, good points, guys, And I would say this that
that's been banned about in terms of why the ratings
are down. You just don't have the bird magic, you know,
whether it's Kobe Shack rivalries hate like we had in
the past, and they're having a hard time manufacturing those.

Speaker 1 (01:11:36):
Even if it's not the hate, just some kind of competition.

Speaker 2 (01:11:38):
With there was real hate too, man back and you know.

Speaker 1 (01:11:41):
That, Yeah, yeah, there was a hate. And then I've
seen things on the internet about how the referees are
having too much of us, say in games because of
the files of the technicals that they call which put
people out. So if you come to watch a game
and your favorite person gets kicked out out because the
referees appeared to be very touchy, then why am I watching?

(01:12:05):
Because my favorite person is gone?

Speaker 2 (01:12:08):
The whole products. I'm trial right now, and the TV
network's paid a fortune and there's still plenty of time
to rectify this. I don't know how they do it,
but you heard my commentary with Mark Mondino. We don't
have royalty in this country. Our athletes and our entertainers
are royalty, and if they don't act like the collective
intelligence the American people is not stupid, not the collective intelligence.

(01:12:32):
I'll tell you who was royalty, the great Ricky Henderson.
I know a lot about Ricky, have been around him,
my buddy Sean Green, play with him in Toronto. I
can't say enough good about him. I'll share some things
you won't know or didn't know, and I'll share some
things that you're going to want to know, and share
some things you probably already did know. Because Ricky may
have come off as this guy from the outset looking

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in who was a little out there and I'm the
greatest and self aggrandizing. He pulled it off, man, because
he was so likable, lovable. We're gonna remember Ricky Henderson
coming up and feel free to tweet at me if
you've got something. This is one of those subjects where
again Ricky truly was royalty for twenty five years in

(01:13:17):
Major League Baseball. I'm Bernie Frat or Kenedy Line from
the Las Vegas Fox Sports Radio Tarack dot Com studios.
Keep it locked. You are listening to the Bernie Frattles
Show on Fox Sports Radio. All right, back at the
Bernie Frattles Show, Fox Sports Radio, Keby live from the
Tarak dot Com studios here in Las Vegas. So the
news officially came down this morning. I started getting texts

(01:13:42):
from well placed people as I was signing on my
show Friday night. The Ricky Henderson was not well in
a hospital. And I don't know the official cause of death.
It's been bandied abottles pneumonia, But anyway you slice it,
Ricky would have turned sixty five Wednesday, Christmas Day. And

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to you know, coach John Facenda, you know the road
to superlatives. Ricky exhausted because everybody loved him personally and
what he did on the field was incredible. You know,
there were only seventy players in the history of Major
League Baseball that are bat and right and throwing left,

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and Ricky's the only one to make it to the
Hall of Fame, the only to make an All Star Game,
hit fourteen hundred and six to olen bases at one
hundred and thirty to single season. The next one behind
him is Lou Brock, five hundred places, five hundred seals
behind him. Led off the game with a home run
in his career eighty one times. Ricky aged well too.
After the age of forty, he still stole one hundred

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and nine bases. He stole thirty seven at the age
of forty thirty six and forty one and twenty five
or forty two. He was the oldest to lead the
league at age thirty nine. He stole sixty six bases
in age thirty nine, throwing thirteen times all year, and
he won the stolen based title twelve times, eighteen years apart,

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the first of nineteen eighty the last of nineteen eighty eight.
By the way, he was thirty eight years old. He
played for the Angels for a month. He didn't have
a gaudy batting average, but he stole sixteen on a
twenty basis in thirty two games. Ricky Henderson was the
type of guy that was an absolute game changer. He

(01:15:28):
got on base, he would bother you. He was the
type of guy who could spark a rally all by himself,
and he played the game with joy, played the game
of the plumb, played the game with a lot of charisma,
and of course he played the game with a lot
of personality. And it just comes to my favorite part
because you know, Ricky's always talking in the third person, right,

(01:15:50):
he says. You know people are saying Ricky says Ricky,
but it's been blown way out of proportion. But I'm
tired of people telling me that I talked to myself
and I don't talk to myself, and you know why
because I never answered myself, So how can I be
talking to myself? By the way, you know, Ricky was
also known as you know, a bit of a braggadotio,

(01:16:12):
but he backed it up every time, great bass dealer.
When he broke Blue Box record, he says, I'm the
greatest of all times. So as Ricky got along in years,
he played for a lot of different teams and he
even the A's four times, and when he joined the
Blue Jays, he was well laid into his career. He

(01:16:33):
was probably late thirties. And the bus pulled up of
the hotel and one of the players says, Ricky, go ahead,
you can get on the bus first. You got tenure,
Ricky said, tenure, What do you mean? I got fifteen year.
Somebody once asked him if he had Garth Brooks albums
or albums. He says, Ricky don't have albums. Ricky has CDs.

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By the way, Ricky once fell as sleep with an
ice pack on his foot true story, got frostbite and
had missed three games one of the one of the game.
One of my favorite quotes that was in he did
play with Toronto. He played with a guy named John Olerud,
and John o'derard was a big time left handed hitter
and he had a brain aneurysm in college and so

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he was forced to wear a helmet even when he
played first base. And Ricky played with this guy, and
years later he was him and Ola Rude are on
separate teams, and he happened to notice Ola Rude on
the other team taking a pregame with an infield and
he had the helmet on his head, and Ricky just
said the don in particular, look at that guy, he's

(01:17:40):
got a helmet on his head. I also want to
played with the guy who wore a helmet at first
base did know it was him, by the way. You know, Look,
the truth of the matter is Ricky was a guy
who would who would you know, stand in front of
the mirror before the game. They cold say Ricky's the best. Ricky,
He's the best. Ricky's the best. He did this, He

(01:18:02):
did this stuff, but he got away with it because
not only did you back it up, everybody loved him.
He was a pure dichotomy. Yes out there, yes, confident, Yes, cocky,
but lovable and baseball. There aren't any Ricky Henderson playing
baseball anymore. He's gonna be missed. Coming up, some takeaways
from the NFL games on Saturday. There's some big ones.

(01:18:23):
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tired buying should be. Before I jump into the what
I consider significant takeaways today between the Chiefs Texans game
and then of course the Ravens Dealers game. I we're
not quite done with Ricky Henderson. Mark and I were
talking off air, and I want to for ever so

(01:19:06):
quickly him and Chase thoughts on Ricky Henderson and his
legacy within the hierarchy of baseball or remembrances. But Mark
had an interesting theory about why there could never be
another Ricky Henderson. Mark, why don't you share that?

Speaker 1 (01:19:21):
Just the emphasis on what players do now and how
they're treated by their owners or by the team. They
don't have a certain vigor to be number one. I
don't see there. We just talked about enthusiasm for the game.
Certain baseball players currently don't seem like they make a

(01:19:47):
greater effort to be the best. I always look forward
to the beginning of an A's game because if Ricky
was usually the leadoff hitter, and I made sure that
I was there to watch all this stuff for the game,
to see all the hype and then to see him
get up there, because like you said, he had eighty
first pitch, you know, you know lead on I mean

(01:20:12):
you you just knew he was going to do it,
so you just had to watch to see it because
he would do it, and that was a certain enthusiasm
that at least brought me. I can't speack for everybody else,
but that was the thing that made me watch the
game to watch him, to see, like you said, the
difference that he would make for his team and what
he would do once he got on the basis, what

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he would do with the bat. So that kind of
player doesn't seem to be the kind of player that's
going to be around a lot to get these great
historic numbers or win certain awards because of their effort
and how long they play and what they do on
the field.

Speaker 2 (01:20:51):
So the terminology us with Ricky's he played the game
with joy. So this kind of puts you on the spot.
So if you don't have the name readily available, who
do you see after today that play the game with joy?
Hard to find? Didn't it?

Speaker 1 (01:21:03):
I was the only guy I was thinking about was
I mean, maybe just for me, but I liked Joey
Vado from Cincinnati.

Speaker 2 (01:21:10):
But I love that guy Shoe Oltani I think does.
But Ricky was you know show show can't speak English.
He doesn't want to be bothered, right, so that's always
going to somewhat limit his Q rating, I think, But
go ahead.

Speaker 1 (01:21:21):
Well, just that idea of certain players, Like he said,
I can't think of that many names, but the Voto
is the one that comes to my mind because he
just seemed like a tough out, a tough hitter, and
I guess he did well on the infield, but just
the idea of he wanted to it appears like he
wanted to be the best, and the fans always didn't
like him, but the kids liked them that his fans

(01:21:42):
liked it because he always you know, talked about his
you know, brought up his name and just the things
he would do on the field. So he's one of
the guys that I would think of that has that
sort of quality the way Ricky does. But I can't
think of that many players' names because it doesn't I
can't think of that many names, just like to think
of because I didn't watch that much because of the

(01:22:03):
low enthusiasm on my part watching what they would do
on the field.

Speaker 2 (01:22:08):
Shaye, what are your thoughts on Ricky Henderson?

Speaker 7 (01:22:10):
I mean, I obviously I'm I'm turned twenty five next month,
so I didn't see him in person. Really, I don't
think ever or even like ever really watched any highlights
or anything. I mean, of course, I know that he's
the all time leader in steals and a great like
walk in terms of walks and all that before Barry Blonds.
But when it comes to like comparing him to players
in today's like, I think you guys took it a

(01:22:32):
little too far when saying like no one has fun anymore.
I mean, there's so many players out there, such as
like Mookie. I mean, you see leadoff hitters that do
so good that like point and I mean I might
as a Dodger fan, I might be really lucky because
we always have a good team and we always have
a good leadoff hitter. So it's something that I as
a Dodger fan, see a lot of. But when it

(01:22:54):
was I mean, looking at his stats right now, Yeah,
I'm not going to compare him to Mookie Bets because
obviously he's better. He's had a better career than Mookie Bets.
But we do still see players that are exhilarating and
have a lot of fun and they're fun to watch still,
But I don't want it. Yeah again, like I'm not
gonna I'm obviously he Mookie isn't just him yet or
probably won't ever be. But I think it is taking

(01:23:17):
a little too far saying no, there is no players
just like him or I kind of give off that
same vibe almost. But he was a great and he
still is a great, and he will people consider him
to be one of the greatest to ever do it.

Speaker 1 (01:23:30):
So, I mean I was going along the lines of,
like you said, Mookie is great. I just don't see
that many players reaching this sort of numbers that would
get them that we would speak about them later in years.

Speaker 7 (01:23:47):
Yeah, I agree with that, and from my understanding, he
was before the juicing era.

Speaker 8 (01:23:51):
Correct.

Speaker 2 (01:23:53):
Well, no, he broke in in nineteen seventy nine, played
for twenty five years. Oh so he he was around.
But I think the thing with MOOKI or checked that
Ricky is he checked every box. He was prolific on
the field. He's a Hall of Famer number two. Yes,
he played the game with outbound joy and it wasn't phony.

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But he was also very quotable. And you know, as
I talked about this with Mark Mendina in the NBA
the you know, we don't have royalty in this country.
Our fandom in this country as it pertains to sports
and the like and entertainers. I think Americans treat this
as very personal. It's personal to them. They feel like

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they know these people, and in some cases they stalk
these people for crying out out. So the bottom line
is Ricky engendered that type of openness to where he
enjoyed the attention and he was deserving of it, and
he had handled it really well. So it's tough to
find that that three for three. The game is much

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more business like today, much more business like. Guys, w
you know, I've had a major league credential since ninety four.
Guys walking with their briefcases and their cell phones and such.
I'm not saying they don't play hard, not saying there
aren't players in the game who don't play the game
with enthusiasm and joy. But Ricky brought up to a
whole different level. You guys have the last thought, if

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he's sure to have it.

Speaker 1 (01:25:19):
Well, yeah, I mean, I agree with Shay that I
know there are other players. There are current players that
obviously play the game because they've come up through the ranks,
and they're good. They're good for their teams, and you
know there's guys on Baltimore, and I mean the various
teams have good players. I'm just saying the current players

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don't seem like they're going to get the numbers that
will you know, show their stats that we'll be looking
at them because those numbers won't be built because of
time spent playing or if they bounce from team to team.
You know, their numbers on one team won't always translate
to another team. So I know they're currently good guys,

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but their numbers, I'm saying, won't accumulate to be such
greatness over the years.

Speaker 8 (01:26:09):
All right, shade anything, Uh no, no, it's pretty good.

Speaker 2 (01:26:12):
All Right, we covered this fair enough. I think listen,
you could do the whole four hours on Ricky. We
can't do that. But again, when you consider his impact
to the game on and off the field, and recognizing
that this is entertainment medium, Ricky just an incredibly tough
act to follow. Incredibly tough act to follow. I'll tell

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you what else is a tough act to follow. Patrick Mahomes.
A week ago they were talking about his high ankle
sprain with those huge stuff to be crazy to play him,
I'm saying, have you not see what's happened in the past.
When God made Patrick Mahomes, he threw away the mold.
I think the guy eats nails for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.
And you know, there were lingering questions all week. Once again,

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the group thinking echo chamber was on high alert, raising
questions about whether Patrick Mahomes should play Saturday with the
Hinnkel Sprain. Make no mistake, the Chiefs want that number
one seed and he'd been practicing and there's no reason.
He's a two time MVP. And not only did Mahomes

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show up and show out Saturday with leadership and playmaking,
he scrambled nine plays into the Chiefs first drive and
he I mean right out of the gate. He showed
first drive, ran for twelve yards on third and thirteen
to set up a reasonable fourth down conversion, didn't ran
for another fifteen yards score a touchdown, even though there
was about twelve Texans players ready to greet him with

(01:27:45):
bad intentions. It was a gritty drive led by a
guy who people didn't even want to play this week.
What's the takeaway? You bet against his team all you want,
cape call us how smart you are because they went
under lucky. Think whatever the al you want, this is America.
But when you are defending back to back champs, and

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there's no doubt in my mind they have hell bent
on three peating, which has never been done. Although, for
you trivia buffs, the Packers won the NFL championship in
sixty six. Then they beat the Chiefs thirty five to
ten in Super Bowl One and the Raiders thirty three
to fourteen in Super Bowl two. So they won three

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in a row, but only two of those were in
the actual Super Bowl era, which is what we're talking
about here. Maomes and the Chiefs are just simply too
buttoned up, and you juxtaposed that against Houston. The Texans
are not going to be a championship team because they
are sloppy. They're good, but they're not buttoned up like
the Chiefs. Right, the Chiefs have made it abundantly clear

(01:28:50):
that they're not going to beat themselves. They're fourteen to one.
They've never seen completely dominant. Statistically, they're not dominant. Their
point differential is not what people expect it to be.
For the record they have, but all they do is win.
And there are reasons when the situation the man's greatness

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can you be great. Travis Kelcey, Yes, Isaiah Pacheck, oh yes,
Patrick Mahomes absolutely, George carloftis yes, Chris Jones. These guys
are locked in. They know they're they've got they've got
a date with history, right. I think the world is

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c J. Stroud. But there are things that don't really
show up in the box scores. Now. I know CJ.
Stroud through two bad picks and one when he just
airmailed that completely killed the Houston drive in Casey Territory
and that allowed Kansas City to steal a field goal
right before they have. See, that's the thing that's my
biggest takeaway with the Chiefs. There's an old saying life

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be in the right place at the right time, but
that's a common not a period being the right place
at the right time col and do something about it.
So it wasn't just that the Chiefs took advantage of
that interception before the half where they were driving and
got the ball, went the other way and got a
field goal. They rattled CJ. Stroud and c J. Stroud

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is going to have a long, good career in this league.
He committed two delay of game penalties, one required them
to burn a time out to avoid another one, and
one involved a red zone sack when he chose to
run out of bounce instead of throwing the ball away.
Those were the kind of little menial mistakes don't always

(01:30:37):
show up in the box score, and they certainly don't
show up with the highlight reel that the Chiefs don't
make and their opponents do, and the Chiefs take advantage
of them. By the way, again, I always enjoyed trying
to break down film the years I covered the Lions.
The Texans defense had multiple blowing coverage and even though

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they knew it was obvious nine plays into the game,
Maholmes was willing to use his leg legs to keep
plays alive. The Chiefs didn't, or the Texans didn't set
the edge against those scrambles. They kept insisting, well, Maholmes,
we were told he was hurt, he's got high ankles, brain,
he's going to be more stationary. This guy's not normal, man.

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Were you need to figure this out worst of all,
and maybe this is going to be a play that
will really be terribly remembered for the Texans season. It's
funny how your fates can go from joy to agony.
Tank Dell took a beautiful thirty yard pass from CJ's

(01:31:42):
Job to score and then suffered a very serious knee injury.
I believe it was a dislocated kneecap, and his teammates
were very emotional. It's devastating, and because Tank Dell also
had a bad injury last year and he was just
now starting to look himself and you know he with
him gone, that's quite a one to two punch that

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the Texans have with Tank Dell and Nico Collins. But
with both of them gone, there were still twenty seven
minutes left in the game. The chief the Texans scored
three more points. Now credit allow that to the Chiefs defense,
because the Chiefs, oh, by the way I have now

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you know last week, you know they forced six turnovers
against Cleveland, which you know, against Jamis that doesn't count.
That only counts for one turnover because he's Jamus. But
they came up with two picks against c J. Stroud.
Eight turnovers in two weeks. And you create takeaways for
any reason anytime in the National Football League, that's one

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less that's one less possession for your opponent, one more
possession for you. And you only get so many of those,
and if you give a you know, an extra possession
of the chief that's like saying baseball game and the
Chiefs get to bat online innings and you only get
to bat seven and they're the Chiefs. So all of

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a sudden, the Chris Jones of the world, the George
Carl loftis just constantly pressuring, sacking Joshua Williams. He sacked
that corner Blitz and Jim Feist. Did I talk about
this last night? That ended Houston's come back attempt on
that corner Blitz sack at the end of the game.
And anytime the Chiefs give up a big play, what

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do they do? How do they respond? They respond with
a better one, a total complete effort. Now do you
think Mahomes will play next week? Yes, they're one loss.
Let's put it this way. I don't think Buffalo is
going to lose to New England on Sunday. Anything could happen.
I mean, Bob Uker wants you to home run off Sandy Kilfax.

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But the Chiefs are either one win away or one
Bill's loss away from you got it clinching the AFC's
number one seed. Who is going to go through through
Kansas City and beat them. Could it be Buffalo on paper? Maybe?
Please don't tell me Baltimore. If they do, I'll give

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them their flowers. I'll give them their say flowers. Lamar
Jackson versus Bagnol's Chiefs defense. He's one and four, completes
fifty six percent of his passes, throwing seven touchdown, six picks,
a seventy eight passer rating, and they only managed twenty
two points a game. They had it all set up

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four last year in Baltimore. I couldn't do it. So
this is huge. This is huge by the way. The
Chiefs generated all kinds of pressure and especially in the
second half fifty seven percent of the time, and C. J.
Stroud had a hard time with it, as any quarterback would.

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All right, and I know, I know you want to
do the Lincoln the ward on Lincoln's nose. Kansas City
has won fourteen games this year, and they're fourteen wins
with thirty or fewer points now is the most since
the nineteen twenty five Frankfurt Yellowjackets. Remember them, No, neither
do I, But you're gonna remember this Chiefs team or

(01:35:15):
my takeaways on Baltimore, Pittsburgh. I'll have those for you
coming up. I'm Bernie Fradderwick Comedy Live from Las Vegas,
Fox Sports Radio, Tararec dot Com Studios. Keep it locked,
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here in Las Vegas. Oh yeah, thirty four minutes away

(01:35:38):
from the dance Sensation sweep in the nation. What kind
of brand new fool you followed by? What my name?
All right? I gave you my takeaways from the Texans
Chiefs game that was played Saturday. How about a few
from the Steelers Ravens in which I must admit taking

(01:35:58):
my medicine. I grabbed the Steelers in the points. How
did that work out? Not so good? Almost, but not
so good? Not even almost? Maybe? And why? Because Baltimore's
defense really stiffened in the fourth quarter. And what that did?
It normally secured the win, it also secured a playoff

(01:36:19):
berth and it looked like it was going to go
down to the wire like these games always do. Baltimore,
you know, had a seven point lead going into the
fourth quarter. Pittsburgh had the ball they were driving. Baltimore's
defense really finished the job in that final fourth quarter.
Pittsburgh was held scoreless. In the fourth quarter. They had

(01:36:41):
four possessions, and in those four possessions, they only had
thirty four total yards. And the highlight probably of the
quarter was Marlon humphreys thirty seven yard pick six, which
not only gave the Ravens a fourteen point lead, and
it also erased the cost of interception by Lamar Jackson,

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who just thrown a bad pick two plays earlier. That
was a tremendous gut punch to Pittsburgh. And give it
up to Lamar Jackson because he proceeded to seal the
game on the next possession, drove the team eighty one yards,
took six minutes off the clock all of a sudden,
He make it a three score game, game set match.
And I highlighted the stars on defense for the Chiefs

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a minute ago, so let's highlight him for the Ravens.
Kyle Vannoy, a guy got a BYU who Matt Patricia
and the Lions screwed up, goes to New England Savages
his career ends up with Baltimore outstanding, Michael Pierce, non
Dave Medabouquet. They all got sacks and the play of

(01:37:47):
Kyle Hamilton, who is there. You know, no one will
ever be here to read. But I'll tell you what
this guy, his name may be a little under the radar,
Kyle Hamilton, think get a kick out. A very interesting interview,
very funny guy. He's a Notre Dame guy. Eight tackles,
one pass, break up, forced to fumble. That's the kind
of production that you know, very good, if not elite

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defenses made. On the other side, the turnovers caught up
with Russell Wilson. You know, he made that very poor
throw from his own thirty seven. That was a pick six.
That wasn't the only turnover that resulted in points for
the Ravens. Steelers also coughed up a fumble on a
scramble in the red zone early in the second quarter,

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and Pittsburgh could have taken a seven point lead there.
And then again, I just gave Kansas City credit for this.
I'm gonna give Baltimore. They proceeded to take full advantage
of that momentum. They drove eighty one yards down the
field on a TV drive from then. No matter what
the Steelers did, they would scramble around, try to score
up the score, but they just weren't buttoned up like
Baltimore was. On three separate occasions, the Steelers were unable

(01:38:56):
to hop on those fifty to fifty ball fumbles Baltimore got.
All those are the things that show up four teams
that aspire to be champions. Now, in no way am
I predicting Baltimore is gonna win the super Bowl. I
don't even think they'll be in the super Bowl. But

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give them credit for what they did Saturday, and Baltimore
does very much now own an ace in the hole
for the playoffs because those that performance Saturday Saturday prove
that Baltimore really plays well when they've got the lead.
And Derrick Henry, how could I not manage mention Derrick Henry,

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who this is why they paid him one hundred and
sixty two rushing yards total one hundred and eighty nine
from scrimmage. And they were all impactful. And you know,
the Steelers defense is very hard hitting, very opportunistic, very
assimon sound, and Henry towards them and you know, whenever
there's a whenever your offense commits a turnover, your defense

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you got to get their hat on, get back on
the field. They don't have time to mess around. And
right to open up the fourth quarter, Baltimore's defense forced
the turnover. Pittsburgh's defense had to get back on the field. Boom,
Derrek Henry breaks off a forty four yard run and
that was one of multiple backbreakers, including the interception, that
pick six and all that, all that kind of stuff, right,

(01:40:27):
So give it up to Derrick Henry, who I think
is going to be a Hall of Famer. Seventeenth career
game with one hundred and fifty plus rushing yards. It's
the seventh months in most in NFL history. And now
Derrick Henry has four seasons with fifteen hundred plus rushing yards.
That's saying a lot. He looks great, and you know,

(01:40:50):
maybe I'm wrong. We'll see. Maybe Derrick Henry is in
fact that missing ingredient that the Ravens you know, needed
last year. Anyway, the long and short of it is
for one day. For one day, the Ravens look like
a real championship calender team the way that they dispatched Pittsburgh.

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It's not just that they beat Pittsburg. It's the way
they did their nemesis arrival. They hated rival. TJ. Watt
talked about it. Look, there's no love lost between these
two franchises. So it was a bit of a signature
win for Baltimore, who's still a five loss team. So
you know, I don't have confidence in the playoffs. We'll see,

(01:41:35):
we'll see what they do. By the way, real quickly, Okay,
I think that I am to the point now where
I think it's better than fifty to fifty the Chiefs
three peat. Philly could get him, Perhaps Allions could get him.
I don't think anybody Infc's getting them. Share your thoughts
is the Chief's going to repeat?

Speaker 8 (01:41:57):
Are they going to the super Bowl?

Speaker 2 (01:42:00):
Well, if you don't think they're going to the super Bowl,
they probably won't three beat But you know what I
mean by that.

Speaker 8 (01:42:05):
I just like, I don't even think they're going to
make it to the super Bowl.

Speaker 2 (01:42:10):
It I.

Speaker 7 (01:42:12):
I was looking. I was looking through kind of every
game the Chiefs have played through the year, and it
seems like every game they've played, they were one play
away from losing, one flag away from losing a touchdown
away from losing.

Speaker 2 (01:42:25):
Okay, so fair enough, but it's okay, let's go to January. Okay,
who's going to Arrowhead and beating them there? And let
me pull up.

Speaker 8 (01:42:35):
Let me pull up the.

Speaker 2 (01:42:36):
While you're pulling up, Mark, we'll come back to you. Okay, Mark,
Do you think she's going to threepeat?

Speaker 1 (01:42:41):
I don't think so. Basically, just an eyeball test. Like
you said, they take advantages of mistakes, and a team
that can get through without making horrible mistakes is going
to beat them because they just seem like they're just
on the verge of crash. They're they're good enough to hold,

(01:43:03):
but the other team opens the door for them to
take advantage. So a team like that can be beat.

Speaker 2 (01:43:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:43:13):
I don't know if you agree with my thinking, but.

Speaker 2 (01:43:17):
Thinking, but it's theoretical. I do agree with your thinking.
But it's theoretical because you've got a factor in the.

Speaker 1 (01:43:23):
Ankle so we have is theoretical?

Speaker 2 (01:43:25):
Because no, no, no, because you have a back to
back Super Bowl champion and you got Anthony, You've got
Andy Reid, Patrick Mahomes and Travis Kelcey and in a
way above average defense and they're fourteen to one this year.

Speaker 1 (01:43:37):
Well based on their wins, haven't it Hasn't it been
where the other team makes a mistake and a good
team can take advantage of that.

Speaker 2 (01:43:45):
Is that so why can't they take advantage of it? Then?

Speaker 1 (01:43:48):
But they're good enough to take advantage because the other
team makes critical mistakes at certain times.

Speaker 2 (01:43:54):
Well, Chiefs make mistakes too, but they don't.

Speaker 1 (01:43:57):
But they're it's they are good enough. It's a whole
dumb but the other team makes mistakes at a certain
point that the Chiefs can overcome it.

Speaker 2 (01:44:07):
That's because they're world champs, and that's because they have
the DNA. And I'm not predicting they're going to win
the Super Bowl. I just think it's at least fifty.

Speaker 1 (01:44:15):
To fifty basic thinking. I know they're they're winning, and
they're they're winning because, in my view, they're winning because
the other team falters at a particular at a particular point,
like the Texans through bad and it's always a bad interception,
but they through interceptions. So that made it the doors

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open for the Chiefs to hold on and win.

Speaker 2 (01:44:40):
They sacked CJ. Stroud and pressured them unmercifully. Don't you
think they had something to do with those interceptions?

Speaker 1 (01:44:48):
Mistakes are mistakes and nays you're been able to prevent
the big mistakes?

Speaker 2 (01:44:55):
Why have they been able to but no one else has.

Speaker 1 (01:44:58):
They're having that kind of year three years in a row.
I can only think about history where the Patriots were
great and they won a bunch and then they lost
in the end.

Speaker 2 (01:45:11):
Well, that could happen here.

Speaker 1 (01:45:12):
That's that's the only looking at history exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:45:16):
So we're theorizing, or I'm theorizing, that they could do
something it's never done. And they've played, you know, fifty
eight super Bowls. Fifty super bowls they played it's never
been done. The Packers did it, you heard me earlier, but.

Speaker 1 (01:45:32):
That was doing the non super Bowl season, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:45:34):
Nineteen sixty six. So look, I get it. It's part
of the narrative. You cannot ignore the fact that they've
been playing with fire. And will it catch up to them?
People thought it would have caught up to him a
long time ago.

Speaker 1 (01:45:49):
You just said the word, will they catch up to them?
Will they falter?

Speaker 2 (01:45:53):
And I say no, but it's not one hundred percent,
it's not as zero, it's not. Look, Philadelphia is a
damn good team. Remember you put two teams first of all,
I don't think anybody in the AFC is going through
Kansas City to beat him.

Speaker 8 (01:46:08):
Really, you don't think the Bills or the Ravens have
a chance.

Speaker 2 (01:46:11):
Okay, have a chance. Yeah, of course they do. The
Raiders beat them there last year.

Speaker 7 (01:46:15):
The Bills just beat them, right, and the Ravens would
have beat them. If that touchdown getting get called back.

Speaker 2 (01:46:21):
Well, if your an't had balls, should be your uncle.

Speaker 7 (01:46:23):
I'm just saying, I think this is the most vulnerable.
Even though their record is fourteen and one, this is
the most vulnerable we've seen.

Speaker 2 (01:46:30):
The least dominant. I can't argue with it.

Speaker 8 (01:46:34):
And this is the most dominant you've ever.

Speaker 2 (01:46:36):
Seen, essentially saying you know and you're not wrong.

Speaker 7 (01:46:41):
And the Ravens this is the most dominant we've ever seen.
Lamar Jackson like both both both their starting quarterbacks are
playing better than Mahomes this year. Correct, Yes, one hundred
Travis Kelce. Obviously he's having an alright season, but he's
not at all Travis Kelce.

Speaker 2 (01:46:57):
Would I think they're playing with their food A little
bit exagerate one, But Okay, so here's the deal. We're
having a semantico conversation here. You asked me. Do I
think the Ravens have a chance. Yes? Do I think
the Bills have a chance yes, gun to my head.
Do I think those teams will beat Kansas City in January?

(01:47:18):
You're saying when you've got what I call quantum physics. Now, okay,
this is not just a football game in October, taking
nothing away from the Bills, shosh Allen, taking nothing away
from the Ravens and Lamar Jackson. All of a sudden,
you put the Chiefs in that quantum physics game, the
whole world's watching, God's watching, and you your win and

(01:47:39):
go to the super Bowl or you go home. I'm
taking the Chiefs every day. Yeah. Might I be wrong, of.

Speaker 7 (01:47:45):
Course, And when the Chiefs have been in that situation
so many times, and to say that they won't win
in that situation would be you'd be an idiot, because
they've done it so many times and they have gone
in one.

Speaker 8 (01:47:55):
So I see what you're saying.

Speaker 2 (01:47:56):
Yeah, they're built for it where they live.

Speaker 8 (01:47:58):
I agree with you there, But again.

Speaker 2 (01:48:01):
I want to make this abundantly clear. I'm not dismissive
to what you and Mark are saying. We've seen it
with our own eyes You've got a situation where there
have been many games there have been an odd sequence
of events that have enabled the Chiefs to win the game.
Where is in the vast majority of you know, in

(01:48:25):
the lexicon of NFL games, you don't win those games
the way the Chiefs have won them with the same
kind of regularity, and their point differential is plus seventy
eight and over fifteen games it's about five points a game. Conversely, Buffaloes,
even though they've lost three games, their point differentials plus

(01:48:46):
one thirty five. The Ravens point differential is plus one
oh three, the Eagles is plus one twenty two, the
Lions is plus one seventy seven. But there is a
context to what these games are played, and when they're
played in January, you're gonna have to throw all that
stuff out now. I also thought that the New England
Patriots would finish the deal and go nineteen oh to

(01:49:09):
h back in two thousand and eight in the Super Bowl,
and they didn't. So that's the part of history Mark
was talking about. You cannot have this discussion without acknowledging
historically what reality has been. You can't. So that's why
it's not a foregone inclusion that the Chiefs win the

(01:49:30):
Super Bowl. So both of you guys think they won't
fair enough. You may very well be right. You may
very well be right. I just think that for me,
it's gotten a little tiresome that people have been so
dismissive of what they've accomplished, because we're, in some senses
cherry picking situations where at the end of the game
they won. They just they find ways to do it

(01:49:53):
because they are that good. But that does not guarantee them,
you know, a ticket to the Promised Land on February ninth.
They're still gonna have to earn them on the field
against someone who else has also earned their way there.
And so this is fun to watch. You know. I
hapen to think dynasties are calling. They're good for sports

(01:50:14):
because they create they create rooting interest. You know who's
not a dynasty The freaking New York Jets. It came
out this week just how dysfunctional they are, and some
of this stuff you'd almost think it's made up, But
unfortunately for Jets fans, it was not made up. Share

(01:50:34):
some of these craziness with you surrounding the New York Jets.
Kevin up By Bernie Fraddaw were coming to Lyne from
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(01:50:55):
the nation. What kind of brand new fool you followed
by what my name? And Shay you'll be interested to
know I'm taking you back to Florida again. It's one
to beauty manh beauty, Well aren't they all? By the way,
not for nothing, just just food for thought. Regarding the Ravens, well,
I give them their flowers for an impressive seventeen point

(01:51:16):
win over Steelers. It looks like and if the Ravens
have designs on just getting to the super Bowl, they're
gonna have to win three road playoff games. That's the
way I'm analyzing this right now. Here's why it to
not one hundred percent. They currently have a forty five
chance to win the AFC North. But if here's why,

(01:51:38):
because if Baltimore and Pittsburgh both went out, they're both
tied atop their division with ten and five records. They
say they both won their next two games and finished
twelve and five. The Ravens lose the top spot because
their record in common games is worse than the Steelers,
so the Ravens will likely need to win out of course,

(01:51:59):
they're at Houston next week. That won't be easy. They're
at home against Cleveland, never easy, but like your chances there,
and the Steelers would need to lose at least one
more time, which could happen. Their last two games are
at home, but they're against the Chiefs and the Bengals.

(01:52:20):
Bengals are fighting for the playoff live mathematically, and the Chiefs,
as I've said a thousand times, dearly want that number
one seed. Although if Buffalo were to lose later today
against New England, which I wouldn't bank on it, they're
really good, the Chiefs would clinch that number one seed.
But you know, tough call for Pittsburgh. They're gonna have

(01:52:43):
to win both and then they will win the division.
Baltimore wins both, they get little health from Pittsburgh losing.
So you know, it's the National Football League. There are
no easy opponents. I don't go for this crap. But
you'd probably rather have to play Cleveland than the Bengals
or Chiefs, right.

Speaker 5 (01:53:02):
So.

Speaker 2 (01:53:04):
Uh, don't look now. By the way, for you Ravens fans.
By the way, you know we got it. We got
Christmas Day, Wednesday football and then actual Football League. I
think it's I think that's awesome. I don't care what
anybody says, got Chief Steelers, Ravens Texans. Now it's on Netflix,

(01:53:26):
but regardless, we got it. So a lot of those
questions might be answered that day. So you know, Park,
you know, markt spot on the couch and be ready
to go. I'll tell you who else marks or spot
on the couch for any postseason the Jets. Now, earlier,
when Shane and I were talking and we were talking
about the the NBAL started week in debacle, he said, oh,

(01:53:50):
watch it. That's fine as an NBA fan, and asked
what the expectations are and he said, have any fair enough?
We don't know we're looking at But when it came
to XPS with the Jets, there could have not been
a juxtaposition whereby the expectations of a franchise who was
clearly going all in were built to win. Now instead,

(01:54:12):
They're going to miss the playoffs for a fourteenth consecutive season.
The Jets are four and ten. They already have as
many losses as they did last year. And then have
Aaron Rodgers last year and for four plays had Zach Wilson,
Trevor Simeon and Tim Boyle and they managed seven wins.
Jets ain't getting seven wins this year. Let's say when

(01:54:33):
their last three they got to play the Rams, Bills
and Dolphins. You're juxtaposing a preseason contender. It's going to
finish as a bottom five team. But here's the kicker
information coming out. What happened off the field with respect
to the Jets. I am clearly being characterized. This is

(01:54:55):
an incredibly dysfunctional organization. What happened off the field, just
this is bad. Now, I get it. They've fired Robert
Solid five games in five games in and since then,
what the Jets have played, you know, nine more games
and how's that working that? And then they fire GM

(01:55:19):
Joe Douglas. Douglas a month and a half later, and
after a week four loss, we are finding out that
it was suggested by the owner himself that Aaron Rodgers.
Remember all we need is a quarterback should be benched.
And now we've come full circle. And these are narratives

(01:55:43):
by people who cover the team. I'm on the outside
looking in. They believe that it is, in fact their
owner who's the answer to the question who wanted Rogers benched?
They believe is the root of all the franchise's problems.
And so things really caught my attention. Now, this is crazy.
They had a trade with Denver for Jerry Judy. It

(01:56:05):
fell apart because the receiver's rating in EA Sports Madden
game was too low. What okay, you heard me, And
you've also heard other people report that. I've never heard
that before. I don't think we'll ever hear it again.
There are allegedly more than twenty people around the franchise
anonymously who described the owner, Woody Johnson, as quote an overinvolved,

(01:56:28):
impulsive owner. One former player described the organization as the
most dysfunctional place imaginable that's going to leave a mark.
So when the Jets traded Zach Wilson, Denver asked for
the final pick of the draft, that's it, two hundred
and fifty seventh overall. Instead, Johnson says, I'll tell you
what we'll give you a two hundred and fifty sixth pick.

(01:56:49):
So he wanted a draft of Mystery Irrelevant. The Broncos
happily took the earlier pick, based it on a guard
by the name of Nick Grgulo who's on their active roster.
By the way, who was the j that's mister Irrelevant?
A guy by the name of Jalen Key who got
cut from the practice squad in October. Oh yeah, Now
Aaron Rodgers got his own series on Netflix, The Self

(01:57:11):
Absorbed Aaron Rodgers. It gave him a chance to share
his side of the story. Do you even care anymore?
I feel bad for Jets fans. It would have been
exciting to see him in the playoffs coming up? What
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Before we get to our Saturday night feature here, I
want to read a tweet comes from Sean and Portland.
In the words of the great Ben Maller. Stats tell
you what has happened, not what's going to happen. I
think what he's alluding to there is there is no
argument that the stacks regarding the Kansas City Chiefs have
not been necessarily representative of fourteen to one team, all

(01:58:13):
points duly noted by Mark and Jay. But those staffs
tell you what happened, not what's going to happen. We'll see.
Let's let this play out. That's why this is so
much fun. You've heard me say it a thousand times.
Sports are the greatest reality show. And you can script
everything but the ending. And on that note, well, we've

(01:58:34):
come to that juncture. You know you love you. You can't
leave without the dance sensation sweep of the nation. You
see here on the Bernie Frattle Show. We observe we
got a crack staff and are always observing things. Yo,
Gembarrass and you can observe a lot by watching. Because
around this great land of ours, from seed to oily seed,
and surely around the globe, people engage in behaviors and

(01:58:54):
do things. And sometimes they are not very smart, and
they are silly, and they can land you in trouble.
Sometimes are innocuous. Other times they're far more serious, and
they land you in big trouble, sometimes even in jail.
But anyway you slice it, anyway you describe it, anyway,
I characterize that these behaviors always always leave us scratching
our heads and asking ourselves, what kind of brand new

(01:59:17):
fool are you?

Speaker 1 (01:59:24):
What kind of brand new fool are you?

Speaker 2 (01:59:27):
Well, we take you back to what has perhaps been
the most popular state in these various vignette features, and
that is the great state of Florida. And we take
you to Coco, Florida, where we introduce you to a
twenty five year old woman named Amber. Well, let's start
at the end and work backward or forward, or however

(01:59:51):
the well you want to call it. You see, because
police responded to a street in Coco after a witness
called nine to one one to report an incident. Now,
it remains unclear what the witness saw, but when the
police arrived, they found an elderly lady laying on the
ground who was very hurt and transported to a local

(02:00:13):
hospital in critical but stable condition. It turns out that
this lady was the mother of the aforementioned Amber r
who had conveniently already left the area, but apparently they
had gotten to do quite the argument. Now, we don't
know what the argument was about, what it entailed, but

(02:00:35):
we do know what happened next. Amber decided she would
first beat up her mother. Then she decided she would
steal her mother's car. She wasn't done. She decided to
back up over Amber's mom and finish the job. Yes,

(02:00:55):
she ran over her own mother or her mother's car
after beating her up. We don't know what the argument
was about. We don't know anything except Amber was charged
and arrested with aggravated battery and car jagging after the
incident took place, and police said, oh, by the way,
additional charges could be forthcoming pending an investigation. Now here's

(02:01:22):
the beauty. You always love consistency in people, don't you.
In the last six years, little miss Amber has been
arrested ten times, her fourth this year. According to the
arrest records, from the Brevard County Sheriff's Office. Most recently,
she was charged with domestic battery in September and other

(02:01:43):
charges related to drug position, prostitution, and battery. I believe
folks should call that a five tool player anyway. Anyway,
slice it, ladies and gentlemen. Amber R. From Cocoa, Florida.
What kind of brand new fool? Are you?

Speaker 3 (02:02:05):
All right?

Speaker 2 (02:02:05):
Mister Shade take it away.

Speaker 7 (02:02:07):
Rhymes, She's definitely a resident of Florida, Bernie, I can
tell you that.

Speaker 2 (02:02:11):
Wow. Yeah, what a Florida's finest.

Speaker 8 (02:02:13):
Yeah, just a Swiss army knife, you could say.

Speaker 7 (02:02:17):
Yeah, seriously, seriously, mine's a little bit more lighthearder than yours,
but still a definitely what.

Speaker 8 (02:02:23):
Kind of fool? You know? You ever heard of the
toilet brand Sharman Sharman.

Speaker 2 (02:02:28):
Please don't squeeze to Sharman.

Speaker 1 (02:02:33):
I do, I do.

Speaker 7 (02:02:34):
I'm a big fan of the bear commercials myself. Oh yeah,
the Little Bear Family. I don't know why, but that
those are the ones I grew up with. I haven't
seen in Sharman Ultrasoft commercial in a very long time.

Speaker 2 (02:02:44):
No, very true, very true.

Speaker 7 (02:02:46):
But this takes me to Connecticut and actually all around
the US. But this story is from Connecticut, where a
woman is in a stinky situation and honestly appears that
she's not alone when Jarman sent her an email saying
she was the winner of a year's supply of toilet
paper coming from the Sharman company, and not hours later,

(02:03:10):
the company sent her another email with the subject line saying, oopsie,
we made a poopsie. And that's a quote in the email.
They said, you recently received an email from us stating
that you were the winner of a Sharman Super Mega
sweepstakes this month, and in that super Mega sweepstakes, it
would be a year supply of Sharman. Unfortunately, that message

(02:03:33):
was sent in error. We are very sorry for any convenience,
and we know that this is disappointing. Please be on
the lookout for another email in the next couple of
days with instructions on how to receive.

Speaker 8 (02:03:44):
Get this a two dollars Sharman coupon.

Speaker 7 (02:03:48):
Thank you for rolling with us, They end the message Wow. So,
according to others, this was a situation that was happening
a lot throughout the US, and a lot of people
received this email. The person that came with the story
scent is her name, is her last name.

Speaker 8 (02:04:06):
That's all that she really gave. Said.

Speaker 7 (02:04:08):
She received the congratulations email from the chairman not long
after taking an online quiz, told all her coworkers that
she won, and of all things that she won, toilet
paper was laughing about the whole situation, but then the
email made it even funnier for her. So when they call,
when you call Sharman too now, supposedly it comes with

(02:04:29):
a message saying, if you are calling about an email
you received regarding winning the Sharman Super Mega Sweepstakes. Unfortunately
the email was sent in error. We apologie Eyes for
any community confusion. No additional action is needed As of
right now, nothing else is out on Sharman or anything

(02:04:51):
regarding this incident. But this leads me to just say,
Sharman Ultrasoft, what kind of brand new fool?

Speaker 1 (02:04:57):
Are you really?

Speaker 2 (02:04:59):
Different? Story from the irony that, yeah, no, it's all good.
The irony of this is that they're actually it feels
like they're getting a lot of free advertising.

Speaker 7 (02:05:09):
It seems like it because I haven't thought about Sharman
in a very long time, and now I'm putting them
on six hundred plus stations.

Speaker 8 (02:05:19):
Maybe they Maybe they did the right thing.

Speaker 7 (02:05:20):
Maybe they knew about this, Maybe they knew, Hey, Bernie's
gonna have a what kind of fool are you?

Speaker 8 (02:05:24):
On Sunday night? Let's go ahead and do this.

Speaker 2 (02:05:27):
Maybe what kind of fool are we? We took the
bait exactly, but still I love the story. You know what, oopsie?
We did a poopsie? Yeah? What if they did this
on purpose?

Speaker 7 (02:05:37):
Seriously, I was looking at it's a there's a screenshot
of the of the email too, and it's literally that's
the subject line, And I was.

Speaker 2 (02:05:43):
Like, you don't know, this story really actually resonates with
me if I might might may digress. Look, I'm not
ashamed of him, and I'll eat the occasional frozen pizza,
right the worst pizza ever had was wonderful. Some are
better than others. But back in the day, they used
to have this brand called Old Boy Pizza. If your
Old Boy Pizza can have Mark Review.

Speaker 1 (02:06:06):
Never heard that one before.

Speaker 2 (02:06:07):
Okay, I bet if you google it, it's out there.
But here's the point. So my buddy Gary Johnson, it
was like seventh grade, We're having a pizza at his
house and his his mom did not like that pizza
for some reason. Finally me and his mom didn't like it.
She got so pissed off. She's one of those she

(02:06:28):
wrote a letter to Old Boy Pizza complaining on how
bad the Old Boy Pizza was. Sure enough, about three
or four weeks later she got a response to the
mail from Old Boy Pizza. You guessed it a coupon
for fifty percent off on an Old Boy pizza. So
this must be like the strategy, Right, you're gonna complain,

(02:06:48):
we'll want you have another one, have another one on us,
something like that. So didn't they get that person get like.

Speaker 7 (02:06:53):
A coupon for for Yeah, everyone everyone that received the
email got a two dollars coupon to Charman, I don't
know how much a toilet thing is, so two dollars
could be a lot, could be a little. Yeah, it
seems like a little compared to a year's supply. But
he knows you're two dollars.

Speaker 8 (02:07:14):
You're two dollars.

Speaker 2 (02:07:15):
You never look like you'll get Barrett once said in
nickoling Worth a diamon anymore. All right, good job guys,
outstanding all the way around. That concludes another rocket edition
of what kind of brand new fool you followed by
our second favorite bit that we lovingly refer to as
what my name? Hey, here we go. Alrighty, this guy's

(02:07:41):
name has come up more than once on the show tonight.

Speaker 5 (02:07:44):
I am the only.

Speaker 2 (02:07:46):
Quarterback in NFL history to throw for three touchdowns in
a game and have three touchdown runs in the same
game and still lose the game. Mark Ramsey, What my name?
His name has come up earlier in the show as

(02:08:06):
a potential quarterback.

Speaker 1 (02:08:08):
Is it Josh Allen?

Speaker 2 (02:08:09):
It is, in fact Josh Allen? And we are off
with a resounding starter. Now, this one's a little tougher,
but I think you can get it, okay, and bring
it on. I'm the only NFL lineman in history to
be named to a Pro Bowl team twice before the

(02:08:30):
age of twenty five. He was a legend at USC
back when USC was USC went on to play for
the Cincinnati Bengals. He's in the Hall of Fame. What
my name?

Speaker 8 (02:08:43):
Okay, So he's in the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 2 (02:08:45):
Played at USC, YEP two Pro Bowls before the age
of twenty five.

Speaker 8 (02:08:51):
Did he play for the Browns?

Speaker 2 (02:08:52):
He played for the Bengals. Uh.

Speaker 8 (02:08:55):
I want to say Joe Thomas, but that's not.

Speaker 2 (02:08:58):
Well, much earlier, much earlier, Joe Joe played for the Browns.
I believe, yeah he did. Yeah, Oh gosh, uh, all right,
Marc will give you a clue. His first name is.

Speaker 1 (02:09:10):
I know he's a commentator right now, I'm trying to
think of his name.

Speaker 2 (02:09:13):
But got it, You're you're honing in on it. So
his first name is the first name of an actor
whose last name is Michael Hall.

Speaker 1 (02:09:25):
I can see his face. He but I know he's
a current commentator. But he was alignment on the they
got to the Super Bowl. He was on the Biggles.
But I know his name.

Speaker 2 (02:09:36):
Well, twenty three they lost to the forty nine ers.
I actually got to two Super Bow. Well, let's see, yeah,
two super Bowls eighty two, it's the Super Bowl sixteen,
both against the Niners. Want to give it one last.

Speaker 8 (02:09:48):
Crack, Shay, I have no idea.

Speaker 2 (02:09:53):
He'symonos. Oh do you guys know who that is?

Speaker 8 (02:09:56):
I do know who that is.

Speaker 2 (02:09:58):
Yeah. Yeah, he went to Chafey High School. We had
the distinction of knocking them out of the CIF playoffs
and he pitched that day. A good guy, the really
interesting guy. I've always wanted to run across from again.
Never had a chance.

Speaker 8 (02:10:13):
He was a picture.

Speaker 2 (02:10:14):
He was a pitcher.

Speaker 8 (02:10:15):
That's cool.

Speaker 2 (02:10:16):
He was. I think I think he even played one
year on the USC baseball team pitcher lineman.

Speaker 8 (02:10:20):
That's a that's random. You don't really see that.

Speaker 2 (02:10:23):
No, he a big dude. But and and by the way,
you guys ever noticed when running backs return from the
NFL they blow up like a balloon. And then when lineman, yeah,
they get real skinny.

Speaker 8 (02:10:34):
Well it makes sense.

Speaker 7 (02:10:35):
It's because the linemen that they they're they literally are
eating so much food to stay six five, three hundred
and four hundred pounds. Yeah, because they're always eating a lot,
you know what I mean, Like linemen are always eating
like crazy and not really eating the healthiest they're doing.

Speaker 1 (02:10:50):
All the games. They work it up, eat and then work.
It's all it goes around because of their eating. They
just work it up in the games.

Speaker 2 (02:10:58):
Well what's crazy, though, is there's a lot of these
running backs who you remember, right, I mean, Eric the
Enemy was just a stud. I mean he was coming
out of San Diego, was incredible, right, he was superb
in college, superb in the NFL. And if you walked
into a room right now, people that know who know
who he was. I mean, I love Eric the Enemy,

(02:11:21):
but if he was an installer, it'd be a perfect circle.
I mean, he's not the same. All running backs gained
a ton of money. I gained a ton of weight. Anyway,
how the hell would I get off on that one?
All Right? I am a quarterback of the National Football
League and I was in line last week at Costco
waiting for my hot dog when I was announced that

(02:11:42):
I was going to be the starter of this week
Mark Ramsey with my name?

Speaker 1 (02:11:47):
Is it Pennix?

Speaker 2 (02:11:50):
It is Pennix, Michael Pennix Junior. I love that story.
I love that story. I love go hop talks too.
All right. I'm also an NFL quarterback, but believe it

(02:12:11):
or not, I currently have the longest streak among all
NFL quarterbacks of attempted passes without an interception. Shane Ovingar,
what my name? You're gonna get this and you're gonna
be shocked. But it's true.

Speaker 7 (02:12:27):
Okay, Okay, So that means it's the last guy you'd
think of, man, Okay, is he like a starting quarterback?

Speaker 2 (02:12:37):
He's like a starting quarterback.

Speaker 8 (02:12:41):
Sam d.

Speaker 2 (02:12:44):
Well Not no, not Sam. I love Sam, I mean
you like quarter Well that's wordplay out my part. Okay, okay, okay,
we've kind of had a watch on this guy a year,
but not really, but we were gonna be. We kind
of did. Caleb. It's Caleb why he currently has the
longest streak among all NFL quarterbacks. Attempt to putt NFL.

Speaker 8 (02:13:04):
No, it's because he's getting sacked too much. You can't
even throw them.

Speaker 2 (02:13:09):
I'm going to tell you people that I think the
Bears man are got one in for the Lions on Sunday.
I'm telling you that it's just the stars are lining up.

Speaker 7 (02:13:18):
Well, you saw sorry, sorry for interrupt You saw all
this stuff about Caleb, like how he's basically just done
with the season and he's just tired.

Speaker 2 (02:13:26):
It talks too much, but I can understand his frustration. Okay,
when you're not used to losing, although you should be
used to losing the USC they lose there too. The
man's a competitor, okay. I mean he didn't get to
be the number one draft pick overall, uh you know,
because his dad called the coach.

Speaker 8 (02:13:44):
I mean, oh yeah, I get that.

Speaker 7 (02:13:46):
What is what are your expectations though you're going on
to the Bears were notoriously a horrible quarterback. I mean,
it's a horrible organization for quarterbacks.

Speaker 2 (02:13:54):
For no Legim McMahon never gets the love coming out
of by U. He's phenomenal. People just skip right over him.
I'm not saying you are, but look, no, I did.
Expectations are are that you progress? Okay, that's the only
expectations to remember, I covered the lines for ten years. Sure,
I think he's shown some of that. I don't know
if he's got the temperament though. There's something about the dude. Man,

(02:14:16):
That's what I'm saying. I don't what was your expectations?
Like like, and don't get me wrong, I'm not trying
to take this away from the Bears. Like Kevin Sepancy
is a great coach, but if you were going to
be a quarterback on the Browns as a rookie, there
goes your career, you know what I mean. Like, it's
more of just like a situation base where Caleb should
have known where he was going and kind of known
what he was putting himself into and we have set
himself up for that rooky season where this is what's

(02:14:38):
going to happen. I need to put my helmet on
and I need to be ready instead of kind of
doing all this media stuff that he's doing, which well,
but you knew that coming in, yeah, with the painted
nails and all that crap, and you know what, you're right,
You're right. I'll juxtapose it. Listen, no one has an
easy pathway into the National Football League, nobody. You got
to earn it. Okay, it's an exclusive club. He came

(02:15:00):
by your way in. Let me just say this about
Caleb Williams. Compare him to c J. Stroud. Everybody forgot
the situation he was going into in Houston two years ago,
more than two years ago, way worse than the Bears.
The freaking Bears went to the playoff two d and
three years with a midst Drubinsky. So CJ. Stroud, being

(02:15:21):
of sound mind and character and a stellar human being
in addition to being a damn good quarterback, elevated the
franchise instead of crying, okay, shut the f up, shut
the front door. The playball.

Speaker 9 (02:15:33):
Now.

Speaker 2 (02:15:34):
I always say I'm going to give a quarterback twenty
seven starts before our passed judgment, But I think what
we're really not We're not going to be talking about
his physical ability as much as we're talking about his temperament. Right,
It's not what happens to your life, it's how you react.

Speaker 1 (02:15:48):
The hype was so big by Caleb.

Speaker 2 (02:15:50):
Oh my good god.

Speaker 1 (02:15:52):
There was Sears Tower, King Kong kind of hype about Caleb,
and it was he had a particular kind the seasons
at USC and it was just built so high that
it was just horrible how he just came down so fast.

Speaker 2 (02:16:08):
Mark, do you remember in Shade Too, you too, that
when it was talked about that he might be drafted
number one over by the Bears. Somehow he managed to
chime in and imply, well, first I wasn't sure if
you wanted to go to Chicago. Then you changed that
tune real quick. Remember he said he wanted a piece
of the team. You guys remember that?

Speaker 1 (02:16:28):
Oh yeah, yeah, I remember that.

Speaker 8 (02:16:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:16:30):
See that was that was the I think that was
part of the hype, that he was so great that
he would be able to have a piece of the
team because he would just take the Bears to the
height of Jim McMahon. But as we've seen, like a
bad plane going down, I will.

Speaker 2 (02:16:47):
Say this though, write it down, call me out next week.
If I'm full of blowney, I think the Bears are
going to give the lines everything they want here in
a few hours. Crappy weather outdoors. You gotta situate where
you know it's it's all lining up divisional game. Lions
are really banged up a defense. All right, we got
three quick ones. I'm currently a college football head coach.

(02:17:11):
My school's won more games in the last two seasons
in any other school in the land. Shane Mogger with my.

Speaker 7 (02:17:18):
Name the most wins in college football in the last
two seasons.

Speaker 8 (02:17:24):
Yes, and they and it's the head coach of that.

Speaker 2 (02:17:28):
Team, that's correct.

Speaker 8 (02:17:29):
Okay, let's go with Kirby Smart.

Speaker 2 (02:17:36):
You're very close to not Kirby Smart.

Speaker 1 (02:17:38):
Mark, Well, it's not Dion.

Speaker 2 (02:17:45):
Dan Landing of Oregon twenty five.

Speaker 8 (02:17:47):
No, I should okay.

Speaker 2 (02:17:48):
Over seventy players in Major League Baseball history bat at
right handed but through left handed, but I'm the only
one that ever made it to an All Star Game.
Mark Ramsey with my name.

Speaker 1 (02:17:57):
Is it Ricky?

Speaker 2 (02:17:58):
It is Ricky Henderson, last one. Only seventy players in
Major League Baseball history battery right handed and through left
but I'm the only one to ever make it to
the Hall of Fame. Shame ovire? What my name?

Speaker 8 (02:18:15):
So there he batted right handed and he threw left handed.

Speaker 2 (02:18:19):
Yeah, there's will be seventy players in the issue, though
I'm the only one that made it.

Speaker 7 (02:18:22):
To the Hall of show Fame. Oh man, I don't
even know any is anyone that's like that? Can you
help me out here, Mark?

Speaker 1 (02:18:31):
I was just gonna say, Joe Peppertemo, that's not right.

Speaker 2 (02:18:33):
I love Joe Pepperton. Now that's a class. We were
do four of those good old timey school names so
that we should never get old guys. It's Ricky Henderson,
is it? I mentioned it earlier in the show.

Speaker 8 (02:18:45):
Oh my god, think about this. This guy's a legend.

Speaker 2 (02:18:49):
Oh you have no idea?

Speaker 8 (02:18:50):
I really don't, you have no I honestly got.

Speaker 1 (02:18:53):
That's what I'm saying. The guy has numbers and things.
And that was my back comparison about and players aren't
going to have those kind of numbers when we look
at their at the end of their careers.

Speaker 2 (02:19:05):
I don't think it was a bad comparison. I mean, okay,
Lou Brock is as prolific a base dealer has ever
played the game. He stole nine hundred and thirty eight.
Ricky beat it by five hundred.

Speaker 8 (02:19:16):
Yeah he.

Speaker 2 (02:19:18):
He stole one hundred and thirty. Who led this year? Guys,
Ellie da.

Speaker 8 (02:19:22):
La Cruz, I think it was. Yeah, I'll look at
it right now.

Speaker 2 (02:19:26):
That's yes. You want to know what he looked like?
Picture Ellie de la Cruz and Ricky could hit three
hundred and lead off a home run eighty one times? Right? If?

Speaker 8 (02:19:41):
Yeah, I was Eli sixty seven stolen bases beautiful, I.

Speaker 2 (02:19:45):
Might have to use that for what my name in
a future future show. All right, guys, that'll do it.
Another rousing edition of what kind of brand new food
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live from the Tarak dot Com studios here in Las Vegas,

(02:20:10):
and as you know by now, we pretty much covered all.
We leave no stone unturned, even the other football still
fut b o l yep, It's time Chris Burphett's World
of Soccer.

Speaker 4 (02:20:24):
The Greatest Schools, the thrilling finishes the international drum. It's
all here in this report from the World of Soccer.

Speaker 5 (02:20:44):
Bernie.

Speaker 9 (02:20:44):
Happy holidays to you and yours out and to everyone
listening to the world of soccer out there. We're going
to talk a little bit about a one Boxing day
matchup I really have my eyes on. But first we
have to start with MLS as they kind of look
at the past year that has been for them, and
unfortunately for them, it's not great news. It's a little
bit of coal in the stockings, and it's one that

(02:21:04):
I've long had my suspicions about, and it turns out
to be right. I worried a lot when MLS penned
this deal with Apple for them to put together the
season pass on Apple TV, not part of Apple TV itself.
It's a multi hundred dollars add on you have to
purchase ten years to two point five billion. Its certainly
made MLS flush with money, but has it really worked?

(02:21:26):
Has it been good for the game? Well, we kind
of got a sign that things weren't great. So this
past year all that was really on linear TV, cable
and network was a thirty four game schedule on Fox.
Only two games from inter Miami with the Golden Child
Leonel Messi, and you know the playoffs and the MLS Cup. Unfortunately,

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in spite of featuring two teams from the two biggest
markets in this country, LA Galaxy and Red Bull New York,
viewership for the MLS Cup was down hold on a
second forty seven percent.

Speaker 1 (02:22:02):
All over half your.

Speaker 9 (02:22:03):
Audience vanished on a year to year.

Speaker 1 (02:22:06):
That's insane.

Speaker 9 (02:22:07):
That's enough to get even Adam Silver up and alert
and paying attention to how bad things are going. You've
lost almost half your audience. And this isn't like something
that is a passing fat. Only a couple of years
ago this MLS Cup had great numbers for Philadelphia Union
in LAFC and kind of the lead ins for a

(02:22:27):
lot of these played well with other sports. And it's
really the woes of hiding everything on streaming. You take
away people who are curious about your sport and you
tell them to pound rocks it. Thirty four games is
not enough to get people to understand what some of
these teams are. And thankfully MLS seems to have noticed,

(02:22:49):
and in spite of being flush with money from Apple,
they're just going to try to acknowledge some of their
shortcomings and plan to make some changes for twenty twenty five.
Some of those changes would be perhaps bringing back the
idea that T mobile subscribers will get free MLS Season Pass,
just like T mobile subscribers right now get MLBtv for
free each year. That was something that used to be offered,

(02:23:12):
but it was taken away because Leonel Messi was such
a money maker they didn't want to hand that out
for free. Meanwhile, also, MLS for some reason doesn't really
have any standalone time slots for big marquee matchup, and
it's in the report they want to create that Apple
wanted to consolidate all match windows into a standard time
of seven thirty pm Local to form habitual viewing. But

(02:23:35):
really without marquee matchups, I'm not sure that's a great
idea at the end of the day, and you really
need to highlight specific teams. You need to get back
more on linear TV. It will make Apple matt, I'm sure,
but you need ways for people to access and get
curious about this. Maybe there are a lot of people
internationally who bought season pass because they want to watch
Lenel Messi. But you know what, you have to grow

(02:23:57):
the game here here in North America.

Speaker 1 (02:23:59):
You have to be a league here here in North America.

Speaker 9 (02:24:02):
This is something I've always been frustrated about in the
streaming era, Bernie, is that I fear that as we
go behind our gated walls, we will lose actally, have
people lose access and stop watching because they just won't
be curious about what they're not seeing. And it seems
like MLS is learning some of those pitfalls. Now over
to England, over to the UK and onto Boxing Day.

(02:24:22):
For those who don't know, Boxing Day is part of
the Christmas Time holidays in the United Kingdom. It was
once a holiday to donate gifts to those in need,
but it's basically become another shopping day to get after
Christmas deals and it is a celebrated across of the
UK and former Commonwealth nations. But it's also a day
where we get plenty of soccer in the Premier League

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and there's quite a few matchups on this day that
are really interesting to watch. Manchester City is playing Manchester City,
who has been in a lot of trouble as of late,
dropping the Manchester Derby and awaiting and really fallen behind
in the standings. Chelsea playing Everton in a very interesting matchup,
and I really believe that Chelsea might be the one

(02:25:08):
team that can challenge Liverpool for the Premiership this year,
notwithstanding Arsenal or maybe Nottingham Forest. Now I've got some
reservations in Notmeningham Forest. I'll explain that. But let's talk
about Nottingham Forest. This is a club that just got
promoted a couple of years ago and really they had
clawed their way back to the Premiership. They were one

(02:25:29):
of the founding members of the Premier League, and this
is a club with a lot of history. Founded in
eighteen sixty five, they are champions from the nineteen seventy
eight First Division season, the four runners to the Premier League,
and they have won the European Cup twice in the eighties,
which is now the UEFA Champions League. They were the

(02:25:50):
toast of Europe in the eighties, but the nineties really
saw the club fall on some really, really hard times
and they returned to the Premier League twenty twenty two
by winning playoffs and now right now they have had
a fantastic start to the year. They are right now
coming into this weekend on Friday, sitting in fourth place
with twenty eight points, two behind Arsenal, which means if

(02:26:12):
they play the season ended today, they would be in
the Champions League. That's incredible and a lot of their
success is coming from their forward Chris Wood. Of the
twenty one goals scored in Premier League play this year
by Nottingham Forest, Chris.

Speaker 1 (02:26:29):
Wood has ten of them. He has over half of them.

Speaker 9 (02:26:32):
But that's also why I start to get a little
concerned about Nottingham Forest in the long term.

Speaker 1 (02:26:37):
That kind of imbalance kind of shows you that, hey,
you got to be careful.

Speaker 9 (02:26:42):
Maybe there might be an injury down the road that
really strews up this, or maybe there's, you know, something
that really kind of falls apart. Either way, they are
a fantastic story right now. I have my reservations on them.
On Boxing Day they will be playing Tottenham Hotspur, a
good club, not a great club, but that will be
one hell of a matchup ten am Easter and seven

(02:27:05):
am Pacific, something to really.

Speaker 1 (02:27:07):
Keep an eye on.

Speaker 9 (02:27:08):
That will be the real treat of Boxing Day as
we continue to see if Nottingham can keep pace with
the giants of Arsenal, Liverpool and Chelsea For this Premier
League season.

Speaker 1 (02:27:18):
That'll do it for us.

Speaker 2 (02:27:19):
Bernie.

Speaker 9 (02:27:19):
Happy holidays to everyone out there and we'll see you
soon for the new year.

Speaker 3 (02:27:24):
On the world of.

Speaker 2 (02:27:24):
Soccer, and of course Tottenham Hotsford Stadium incredible. I was
there in May, got the full tour and use my
NFL connections that were going on. It's amazing, amazing stadium.
We played two NFL games here this year. And lest
you forget, Boxing Day is basically I think it's a

(02:27:45):
Canadian Christmas basically, but it's the day after Christmas on
December twenty sixth. Coming up, we wrap up the show.
I might have a quick thought on Dan Campbell and
something I call guideline versus inflexible anchor risk versus reward.
I don't care if it's about analytics, scott Field gamesmanship.

(02:28:05):
You have to understand the decisions have consequences and I
am not second guessing him. I'm just trying to bring
to light a little semmlance of order anyway you slice it.
Dan Campbell's going down to history as one of the
best lines coaches of all time, no matter what happens.
I'm Bernie Friderwick coming your life from Las Vegas, Fox
Sports Radio tenarak dot Com studios. Keep it locked. You're

(02:28:26):
listening to the Bernie Fraddles Show on Fox Sports Radio.
All right, we are wrapping it up on the Bernie
fraddle Show. We've been coming to you live since eleven
pm Pacific time on Saturday night, live from Theatarac dot
Com studios here Fox Sports Radio in Las Vegas. And
before I go any further, I want to think my

(02:28:47):
broadcast team back in Los Angeles. They've also, of course
been with me since eleven pm Pacific on Saturday night, Mark,
Ramsey and Shay a great job, guys, had a lot
of fun tonight, and appreciate the teamwork and the effort
in all those good things to run Old Donalds, keep
us good together, Brand Newfool with my name in the
conversations we had about Ricky Henderson, the Kansas City Chiefs.

(02:29:10):
As the sports world rolls on, by the way, quick
programming note, and I want you everybody happy Holidays, Marry Christmas,
Happy Hanukah, Kwanza, whatever it is you celebrate. We respect
all cultures beyond these airwaves. Wednesday night, Christmas Night with
a great Armie Spaniard. We signed out at seven pm
Pacific ten am ten pm Eastern for four hours and

(02:29:34):
for Mike and Jason, and trust me, you're gonna want
to not miss this show. Okay, all right, that's all
I'll say about that. I just want to have my
quick final thought on Dan Campbell, and I want to
make it abundantly clear to everybody that I don't second

(02:29:56):
guest coaches, but I have opinions. I'm paid to have
a opinions. And when you make the kind of riverboat
Gamber decisions stand Campbell makes. And let's also be clear,
it's that type of aggressiveness, belief in his team. And

(02:30:16):
you know, we didn't come here to honor Cazear. We
came to conqueror Caesar attitude. It's put the lines where
they are and if not for eleven at one time
former starters on defense at one time another on ir
I the lines will be the clear favorite to win
the Super Bowl. But listen, this is an unforgiving league,
so you don't you can't afford to make mistakes. Not Look,

(02:30:38):
I'm not an analytics guy. I respect him for me.
They are a guideline, not an inflexible anker. They don't
take into account the wind blowing a better team across
the field. Yeah, it might be fourth in an inch movie.
You've only run for three yards all day. You get
my point. But what Dan Campbell does and these riverboat decisions,
I don't think he has anything to do with analytics,

(02:31:00):
to do with gut field and gamesmanship. He's showing Colony's right.
And again, these are guidelines, not inflexible anchors. So I
don't think he'd go for every time on fourth down
just because I mean going on fourth and now for
his own thirty one the other day, there's not against
Green Bay. What's the risk reward? Okay, pump the ball,

(02:31:22):
play defense too every once in a while. So this
last week, Dan Campbell and his aggressiveness, his faith, and
his players, these are all things that have made the
Lions relevant. But when the Lions trailed with about twelve
minutes to go in two scores or a ten point game,

(02:31:42):
because Buffalo is moving the ball, will they comeback? Maybe?
Wasn't likely? Okay, I don't think dollar bill of billions
would have said I'm not uncertain. He would have said
I'm uncertain. So still, in light of all that, Dan
Campbell went for this onside kick at Temple twelve minutes
to go, and you saw what happened. The Buffalo player

(02:32:07):
returned it to like the three yard line. Even Dan Campbell,
in hindsight, seemed to regret that decision. When he was
asked about it afterward, he said, quote, obviously now sitting
here after them taking it down to the three yard line, Yeah,
I wish I wouldn't have done that, but it is
what it is. Okay, you can't be that dismissive. This
is serious business. And all I'm saying is it's your

(02:32:30):
ball club, it's your legacy, it's your victory to capture.
But at the same time, when you realize, just in
the general scheme that the recovery rate for onside kicks
is you know, ninety six percent of the time it
doesn't happen, and you got twelve minutes left in the game,

(02:32:55):
I just at some point this isn't cute anymore, all right,
So look, just an opinion, let's leave it there. I'm
paid to have opinions. And again, I think when Nan
Cambo makes these decisions, it should not be a one
size fits all every time just because we're going to
beat our chests because we can. The good news is

(02:33:16):
we have enough football now to stretch us. It's what
you might call the NFL's Twelve Days of Christmas. Right
Thursday night, we had the Broncos and Chargers face off,
very good game, most notably highlighted by the obscure rule
that Jim Harbaugh take advantage of that had been successfully

(02:33:37):
done since nineteen seventy six on the free kick. Classic
carball stuff, just classic classic carrball stuff. Then on Saturday,
we had the doubleheader between the Texas and Chiefs, and
they Stevens and Ravens again playoff implication type games. And
here we go, right these primetime games, the Twelve Days

(02:33:58):
of Christmas. Get the Bucks and Cowboys Sunday night, that
in itself alone will have storylines. Christmas Day NFL will
be played on Wednesday. You got the chief Steelers. The
Chiefs win that game. If the Chiefs win that game,
they have now procured home field advantage throughout the entire

(02:34:21):
playoffs except for the Super Bowl. Right, Steelers lose, it
opens the door for the Ravens who play the Texans,
because if the Ravens went out and the Steelers went out,
guess what. The Steelers win the division Based on a
common opponent record, so those games have implications. The day
after Christmas, Boxing Day, we got a football of our
own Seahawks Bears on Thursday Night that'll be on Amazon.
By the way, the Christmas Day games are on Netflix.

(02:34:44):
December twenty eighth, another Saturday extravagance, a triple header Chargers Patriots,
Broncos Bengals and Cardinals Rams. Then a week from today,
Sunday Night the Falcons Commandos on NBC. And then finally
December thirtieth, Monday Night Football the Lions in forty nine ers.
Now this involves twenty teams, interestingly enough, and these are

(02:35:08):
primetime games. I'm slightly curious why neither the Bills nor
the Eagles are futured at least once. Now Buffalo will
be on the four to twenty five National Eastern Time
Window game on Sunday in Philadelphia. The same situation on
December twenty ninth. But you thought you would think that
you might take advantage of, you know, it's supposed to

(02:35:31):
maybe Seahawks Bear. What does it matter the NFL, they
can do no wrong, right, It's part of the scheduling
outity though the Chiefs, Ravens, Steelers, and Texans they have
all three games in eleven days, and you know, Patrick
Mahomes may be hurt, as they said, but it didn't
occur to me. By the way. Wednesday, I'm told a

(02:35:52):
little spoiler that the uniform wearing patch is going to
be distinctive for Christmas Day. So we will see, all right,
it's gonna do for the Bernie Frattle Show tonight again.
Arnie Spaniard myself will be on the airwaves Wednesday night,
Christmas Night, seven pm Pacific, ten pm Eastern. Plenty of
hijinks for the whole family. You don't want to miss that.

(02:36:13):
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