Mark Willard & Ephraim Salaam Talk Chiefs Benching Starters Next Week, Chicage Bears Trying To Lose, Aaron Rodgers Future, Falcons Vs Commanders, And More!!

Mark Willard and Ephraim Salaam talk shop on the consequences of the Chiefs likely benching their starters next week in the final regular season game. Mark and Ephraim also critisize Aaron Rodgers and ponder about his future and how much different he needs to be for him to get another shot this late in his career. Plus, the guys talk about the Bears trying to lose, react to Falcons vs Commanders, Giants fumbling the number one overal pick potentially, and much more!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Don't listening to Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
Okay, sports sports sports, blah blah blah. We got a
lot going on.

Speaker 3 (00:08):
It's uh, we're almost down to the nitty gritty in
the NFL. The NBA has had its Christmas Day start
to the season. If you will, College football is gonna
get real good again, real soon. And we have three
hours for that. Forget all that for a second. Man,
how was the holiday? Happy?

Speaker 2 (00:24):
Pre New Year?

Speaker 4 (00:25):
Man?

Speaker 2 (00:25):
How we doing?

Speaker 4 (00:26):
I'm good? How you doing?

Speaker 2 (00:28):
I'm doing fantastic.

Speaker 3 (00:29):
Man, You get you get to you and yours and
everything you needed this week.

Speaker 5 (00:33):
Look, man, I'm happy to be with my family and
everything else.

Speaker 4 (00:38):
Everything was amazing.

Speaker 3 (00:40):
I'm the cheesiest dead you ever met. My daughter and
I are driving around today going to the grocery store,
because that's what you do when someone eats all of
the food and you've got to go get more after
the holidays, so you go to the grocery store. And
she said, okay, Dad, what was your favorite gift? And obviously,
like you get to a certain age where the kids are,
they're lapping you by about you know, for every one

(01:03):
of your gifts, it's about six of theirs. So I
only got a couple to choose from, and that's fine.
But I looked at her and I said, my favorite
gift was that I'm lucky enough to have time off
to be with you all this week.

Speaker 5 (01:15):
Right, great, dad, stuff essy as hell? That's all right,
that's all right, but it's true.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
But it's true.

Speaker 5 (01:24):
That's what happens once you evolve and once you are
responsible for keeping other people alive. Yep, then that's what happened.
You're aligned different, right.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
And it's not anything, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:38):
Plus I didn't get anything, so yeah, we don't get anything.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
Like, no, nobody bought me anything.

Speaker 4 (01:43):
I will tell you this.

Speaker 5 (01:44):
I will tell you that my wife got me something phenomenal.
And it's not about I can buy anything I want
for myself.

Speaker 4 (01:52):
Yes you can, within reason.

Speaker 5 (01:55):
What she did was my first ever uh like, a
picture of me sitting on set from behind on my
first episode of television that I was producing. She she
took that picture, that silhouette of that picture, and then
filled in the picture of me with all the words

(02:16):
that I wrote in my first episode of TV.

Speaker 4 (02:18):
Ever, damn broke me down to my break paths.

Speaker 3 (02:22):
Man, I was gonna say, that's thoughtful that's like turned
all the way up, thoughtful.

Speaker 5 (02:27):
Broke me down to my break paths, and that's that's
who I'm married.

Speaker 3 (02:33):
Good, good on you, good on you.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
Merry Christmas. This is night hold. Tonight is the It's night.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
The twenty ninth, okay, fifth night of Hanukkah. I think
I have that right, twenty five three six, Yeah, I think, I.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
Think I think the first.

Speaker 5 (02:56):
This is night five, this is night five, the third
night of Kwanza.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
At third night of Kwanta and whatever.

Speaker 3 (03:02):
Else you're celebrating, even if it's just your people, happy, whatever,
And the next time we talk to you, twenty twenty
five will be here. So ring it in and hope
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way tire buying should be. I'm so glad you just
said what you said about your wife, because I'd like
to ask you this, When did you know.

Speaker 5 (03:40):
She was the one? How long after you met or
did you know the next morning was it for real?
I went back home and I told, like my little brother,
one of my closest friends, Yo, I think I met
Wifey the next day. That next day, well technically the
same day, because yeah, it was. I mean I met

(04:05):
her around I literally met her around eight pm on
June twenty fourth, and I say goodbye to her when
she was getting in her car on the way to
New York to go on tour on twenty.

Speaker 4 (04:21):
Fifth, six thirty am, so.

Speaker 5 (04:25):
Six in the morning, and it was like, okay, but
I knew from that moment on, and when I really
knew it was six months in because then that's when
I started playing in our engagement.

Speaker 3 (04:36):
Okay, Okay, Well I love that because the analogy goes
to the quarterbacks we were about to watch, and this
was another high profile first round in terms of quarterbacks,
and it might be fun to play a little game
with the quarterbacks of when did you know or do

(04:57):
we know?

Speaker 4 (04:57):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (04:58):
I like that game, okay, because Michael Pennix we've watched
play one game, and we're about to watch him go
against the number two pick in the draft, Jade and Daniels,
who have all these first round quarterbacks is definitely the
one we're ready to tell mom and dad about the
most for sure. Caleb Williams, bow Knicks. Let's put JJ
McCarthy aside. That's not fair. But what's the right with

(05:23):
Drake May thank you forgotten him and and he's intriguing.
What I would say that's nice about this particular class
is we're almost a full season in and I don't
think you can write any of them off.

Speaker 5 (05:38):
No, I don't think so, not yet, No, you know,
because they've all shown bits of promise, and you know,
for Michael Pennix, we have a very small sample size,
but it was a pretty good taste. It was, it
was a pretty pretty good sample of what's to come.
And Atlanta has, you know, put a lot on his
shoulders Vya for a playoff spot coming down, coming down

(06:03):
the stretch, and you know, you scratched your head, is like,
could this have been a different scenario?

Speaker 4 (06:09):
Could they have locked the playoffs up having.

Speaker 5 (06:11):
Him start earlier? But that's neither here nor there. We're
in the now and so moving forward. All eyes of
course are on the alam. This is a big game tonight,
so I'm excited for it. I love when rookie quarterbacks
from the same class go against each other.

Speaker 4 (06:28):
I think.

Speaker 5 (06:30):
It adds a little bit of edge because everyone in
that class when your contemporaries you're competing against, whether you
say it outwardly or not, you always want to go out.
And I'm sure Michael Pennix wants to, you know, show
the world he should have been the first pick in
the draft or the third pick in the draft, or
the second pick in the draft. And I'm sure Jayden

(06:51):
Daniels is on a mission to prove he should have
been the first pick in the draft. But yeah, yep,
both of them should feel great about the situations they're
in because Caleb, on the other hand, has lost an
offensive coordinator and a head coach, So who wants to be
that guy?

Speaker 3 (07:09):
We'll get to that team because I have and I've
been watching a lot of football for a long time
now from not maybe not as much as you, but
a lot of football for a long time, and I
don't know that I've ever seen a team willfully attempt
to lose games the way this year's Chicago Bears squad has.

(07:32):
But I want to sit that aside because I'd like
to actually talk to you about it for a minute.
But back to Pennix, Daniels, bow Knicks, Drake May, Caleb Williams.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
Is there such a thing with an NFL.

Speaker 3 (07:46):
Quarterback like there was with your wife, which is I
saw him once and I know.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
Does that exist?

Speaker 3 (07:56):
Yes, because Jaden to me feels a little bit like that.
It feels a little bit like that, Like I remember
watching him in the preseason, and I don't put a
lot into preseason in terms of the results. What caught me,
and I've said it to you so many times, and
I know you liked him early too. What caught me

(08:18):
about Jaden was not the numbers of the arm or
the speed. It was the calm. It was the presence.
Like I watched his feet, and the second I saw
that what we saw in preseason bleed into regular season,
even though it only been a game or two.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
I was like, Oh, that's the one man. That's the guy.

Speaker 5 (08:39):
We saw it with Russell Wilson, we saw it with
Dak Prescott, we saw it with a lot of quarterbacks
who've gone on to be successful. It's something to be
said about being in a position to everybody's looking to
see if you can make the jump from college to

(09:01):
the pros and the number one thing, especially for quarterbacks
is timing. Can a defense speed you up? Now, it's
hard to speed up a rookie quarterback in preseason because
they're very vanilla defenses. No one is showing anything, which
lends to the fact that if you can handle that

(09:27):
without being frantic and out well not and being off schedule,
then there's a pretty good barometer of how you do
when things get a little bit more complicated. Now, if
you can't handle the preseason, if it's too much there,
that's also on the other side of that coin. It

(09:48):
shows us, oh, well, you're in for it, because once
they really start designing defenses for you, then you're probably
gonna struggle.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
Yep, yep.

Speaker 3 (10:02):
I mean like I get all that, and and and
then look at these two and and you know, for
from the standpoint of Michael Pennix, what a perfect situation.
You know, I remember talking to you last week. We
loved what we saw at first sight. There was a butt,
it was a big butt, it was a hold on.

(10:23):
He hasn't actually played a real NFL team. He played
the New York Giants, and he played the New York
Giants in a.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
Weather controlled situation.

Speaker 3 (10:34):
How wonderful for us, the NFL fans who are interested
in this kind of thing, to now immediately game two, Michael,
Now you're on the road on the East coast, post
December playoff implications all over the place on both sides
of the ball.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
Tonight's the night, man, Tonight's the night.

Speaker 3 (10:57):
And I'm not saying his career is made or broken
tonight by any stretch, but this is cool what's about
to happen, because this is the night where Panix actually
gets put through what the NFL has to offer and
we get to see what he is and he's not
ready for.

Speaker 5 (11:18):
Yeah, I mean he's on a stage right, all eyes
on him, only game on, and we want to know.
We want to know if last week, playing against the
hapless Giants who for whatever reason became not so happless
this week would get into that later man misreading of
the tea leaves, but it's it's can can he handle

(11:43):
the pressures of a must win only in his second start?
That's what I want to see.

Speaker 3 (11:50):
Yep, yep, Well, and we're about to find out. So
we're going to get into that. And while we're watching
that get started, we should talk a little bit more
about Caleb William because it's been one of the more
fascinating starts to an NFL career.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
And I am trying on.

Speaker 3 (12:06):
A weekend and week out basis to figure out what's
on Caleb what's not.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
I know it's not everything, but it's got to be something.

Speaker 3 (12:14):
And like clock management is something every NFL fan thinks
their team sucks at, I'd like every fan of a
team that's not the Bears to watch the end of
their games and you'll feel better about your team, I promise.
And from someone who's been in huddles with two minutes

(12:34):
to go in a close football game, I need to
know what the hell's going on there and how much
is on the kid, how much is on the sideline.

Speaker 2 (12:43):
Let's talk this out.

Speaker 3 (12:44):
Coming up next, Glad You're with us tonight with Ephram Salama,
Mark Wellard and this is Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 2 (13:16):
You finna get loose, now, that's what it sounds like.

Speaker 6 (13:19):
I it's the instrumental I know, but it's about to
not be if he hits coming.

Speaker 3 (13:29):
We're in the tyreq dot com studios. I want to
take you on a little journey. Were you watching on
Thursday night?

Speaker 4 (13:37):
Of course?

Speaker 2 (13:38):
Are you watching this? Did you watch the Seahawks play
the Bears?

Speaker 4 (13:41):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (13:42):
Okay, it's a good night for it. Right, it's December
twenty sixth. Everybody's just kind of in that post haze.
I'm over at my sister's house and something goes wrong
with her TV and they worked on it for a
period of time, and I didn't realize. I thought something
was actually wrong with the TV. It turns out it

(14:02):
was the TV's way of saying, you're gonna like this.
This is super boring. I'm here for entertainment. This is
not what I do. I didn't know that, so instead,
like a dummy, it pulled out my laptop and I
watched this thing. Oh no, I want to take people
who either didn't watch or if you didn't realize this
was happening. Let me just explain the final drive for

(14:28):
the Chicago Bears as they completed a ten game losing streak.
They're down by three and they get the ball at
their own eleven yard line with five minutes and twelve
seconds left to go in the game. Okay, five twelve,
they've got the ball their own eleven.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
Are you ready for this?

Speaker 3 (14:53):
When there is a minute fifteen to go in the game,
they still have the ball in their own territory. They
took four minutes to get to their own forty five
yard line.

Speaker 4 (15:13):
It's bad football, man.

Speaker 3 (15:16):
Now, it's a miracle that they even still had the
ball going at that pace, and that I mean, they
only moved forty yards. I don't know how we're doing.
We're doing a minute for every ten yards. The lack
of urgency and the way that they just sort of
move and make decisions is beyond me. Now we can

(15:40):
flash forward to the end, which is then on fourth
and ten from the Seattle forty with no timeouts, rather
than a fifty seven yard field goal, which is not
high percentage in the cold of Chicago in December, but
still it seems better than going forward on fourth and
ten with no timeouts out but whatever, I can wrap

(16:03):
my head around that. But the fact that they even
ended up in that situation where it was like the
idea of moving down the field and I don't know,
scoring a touchdown to win the game. It was as
if it never even crossed their minds. Five minutes, Ephraim
on the clock. That's not hustle time, and we're inside

(16:27):
of one twenty and they haven't even crossed a fifty yet.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
So talk to me, man, Okay, is this the QB?
Is this the sideline? Who's doing this?

Speaker 5 (16:40):
So there's a combination of things that are happening. First
of all, there's no leadership there obviously, Right, you fire
two people who are responsible for the leadership on the
offensive side of the ball, Right, you lose your head
coach and then you lose your offensive coordinator. So you
pretty much got a kid out there, rookie first. You know,

(17:00):
year in the NFL, trying to put this team together
and piece it together themselves. It's never gonna work. The
NFL is far too complicated for that. Babies must crawl
before they can walk. This is a situation where there's
no one to teach him how to walk, and so
he's stumbling all over the place. I put a lot

(17:21):
of the onus on the organization how they've handled him.
The offense, they have weapons, they have a dynamic running back,
they have dynamic receivers, a young one, an older veteran
one who quite possibly may end up in the Hall
of Fame in Keenan Allen. And so their defense is

(17:41):
playing well enough for them to win some of these
close games. So you know, the oness goals on number one.
The confidence isn't there for Caleb number two, the fact
that he has he doesn't throw interceptions. Everybody's like they're
praising him for that, but I'm looking at it like, oh,
he's not throwing the ball. I've watched him several weeks

(18:02):
take sacks he has no business taking, And to me,
that's a problem. That's a problem because it puts pressure
on your offensive line, It puts pressure on your offense,
and most out of anything, it puts pressure on your defense.
You're constantly pushing your defense in a situation where they
have shorter and shorter feels to defend. So whenever you

(18:24):
get to second and seventeen, second and eighteen, because you've
taken a.

Speaker 4 (18:28):
Sack for eight yards.

Speaker 5 (18:32):
And you don't gain any you don't gain any of
that yardage back on second down and third down. This
has been the story of the Chicago Bears this year,
and just watching him play die I talked about this
earlier in the year about how these quarterbacks. Shader does
a lot of this in college, and he has to
cut it out or he's going in trouble. In the pros,

(18:55):
quarterbacks who believe that they're mobile and have a capability,
they like to roll out, right, They like to if
the rush is coming, they like to turn their back
to the rush and roll out. The problem is when
a defensive coordinator knows that's what you're going to do.

(19:17):
Michael Pennix just through an interception. Yeah, it was a
bad one. When the defensive coordinator knows that's what they're
gonna do, they're going to push like heck up the
middle and tell the defensive ends to just rush wide.
And so you see him falling for that time and
time again. He continued. Now, these are the things that

(19:38):
are his fault. Not throwing the ball away, scrambling, running
out of bounds behind the line of scrimmage. Those are
all sacks and so he has to fix that. But
they also got to put him in situations where he's
getting the ball out of his hands. Right now, I'm
talking about one read route. If it's not there, you
got to check it down to the back. And I
mean right now.

Speaker 3 (19:58):
I hear you, man, I like and you start to
wonder because we're literally talking about on organization that has
gone through coach after coach after coach after coach after coach.
I feel like, since Mike Ditka for crying out loud,
I can't even really figure out what is the philosophy,

(20:21):
what is the power structure? How are decisions being handled?
And you'll have somebody here there who will have an
OK season, sure, right, Rex Grossman took him to the
super Bowl.

Speaker 2 (20:32):
But like, all in all, what is going on.

Speaker 3 (20:37):
Culturally from the inside out that they always seem to
get the wrong coach, They always seem to get the
wrong guy at quarterback. I don't know if they did
again here, but it is for those fans there, man,
I can't understand what it must be like to watch.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
It's one thing if you're struggling, man, but.

Speaker 3 (21:02):
This group just literally looks like they've got no clue
what it is they're even attempting to do, and and and.

Speaker 2 (21:11):
It's all it's like frustrating.

Speaker 3 (21:13):
When it's like I'm not even I'm not even trying
to root for you, I'm just trying to watch a
game that I know what I love and I know
that's not it, that's not what you do.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
And it keeps happening. It's fascinating, it's odd.

Speaker 5 (21:31):
Yeah, it's but it starts up top, man, it starts
up top. And what these other young quarterbacks have. They
have stability. Look at Dan quinnen in Washington's stability. Look
at at Sean Payton and Denver stability.

Speaker 4 (21:47):
Right.

Speaker 5 (21:47):
The only other rookie we're talking about, Drake may we
don't know, we don't. There's no stability there with with
uh Drove Mary Mayo.

Speaker 4 (21:55):
We don't, we don't know.

Speaker 5 (21:56):
So all of the rookies coming in situations where they're
button up from the top down and they're making real decisions,
they're they're they're thriving, they're prospering, and so you're in
a situation where, you know, I think JJ McCarthy would
have been in a great situation at Minnesota. I think

(22:16):
you would have. I love the fact that that Sam
Donald was taking advantage of that situation and earning himself
a lot of money. But stability is everything even in
this show, right, Like for us, if we don't have stability,
then we're all over the place and there's one person
on our team that brings that level of stability, and

(22:37):
that's one Stephen as the Sacre.

Speaker 6 (22:42):
Good evening gentlemen, wondered where that what's going as usual?

Speaker 4 (22:45):
We'll get to this.

Speaker 6 (22:47):
We'll get to the suntide football game in Washington. It's
the Commander scoreless in the early minutes against Atlanta. Michael
Pennix has thrown an early interception. This is a matchup
of Pennix, the quarterback for Atlanta, against Jaden Daniels, quarter
back for the Commanders. Apparently this is the first time
we've had a pair of rookie first round quarterbacks meeting
in prime time. Again, it is scoreless early. What's on

(23:09):
the line for Washington They can clinch a playoff berth
with a win or a tie. Atlanta was thinking maybe
we could clinch our division title tonight, but already Tampa
Bay did not have a loss today, to say the least.
We'll get to that in a moment. Minnesota won its
ninth game in a row, beat Green Bay twenty seven
to twenty five. It was a twenty seven to ten
lead with six and a half minutes left. Packers wide

(23:31):
receiver Christian Watson was out today with the knee injury
Green Bay eleven and five. Miami won at Cleveland twenty
to three. Browns have lost five in a row. Miami's
record eight and eight quarterback two a Tonguava Loa with
a hip injury, was out. Tyler Huntley had a touchdown
run and a touchdown pass. Miami is still alive for
the postseason. The Giants were in position for the number

(23:52):
one overall draft pick. New England is now because the
Giants won forty five thirty three over Indianapolis, ending a
ten game losing streak. Drew Locke four touchdown passes and
a late TD run. Las Vegas led at New Orleans
thirteen ten and half twenty five ten Raiders. The final
Jacksonville twenty to thirteen over Tennessee. Now at Tampa Bay,

(24:13):
Baker Mayfield had five touchdown passes three hundred and fifty
nine yards. Bucksby Carolina forty eight to fourteen. Running Back
Chewba Hubbard went on ir yesterday for the Panthers, so
Carolina as a team today thirteen carries thirty nine yards rushing.
Buffalo clinched a two seed in the AFC, led the
Jets forty to nzeing mid fourth quarter forty to fourteen.

(24:35):
The final Jets had sixteen penalties and three turnovers in
the game, and no Aaron Rodgers did not have a
touchdown pass. He's still at four ninety nine for his career.
He had two interceptions, he had won safety, and he
was sacked four times. Philadelphia thirteen and three clinch the
NFC East title with a win over Dallas forty one
to seven. This game was seven to seven in the

(24:55):
second quarter. Saquon Barkley now over two thousand yards run
bushing this year. He had thirty one carries for one
hundred and sixty seven yards in this game. He's up
at two thousand and five rushing yards this season to
be exact. So he's the ninth player in the history
of the NFL with a two thousand yard rushing season,
first since Derrick Henry in twenty twenty. And as we

(25:19):
look toward postseason, and yes, next weekend is the final
weekend of the regular season, we don't have any start
time yet for any game. Everything is subject to effect scheduling,
depending of course, on how things work out which games
are more important. We do know there's one AFC playoff
spot left because The Chargers already clinched a spot with
an easy win yesterday, the Broncos failed to clinch, losing

(25:42):
in overtime at Cincinnati. That keeps the Bengals alive. The Dolphins,
with a win, are eight and eight. They're still alive.
So between the Broncos, Dolphins, and Bengals, one of those
three is going to get the last AFC playoff spot.
The Broncos are in the best spot because they have
the best record nine and seven compared to the other
two that are eight and eight. So Broncos win and

(26:02):
you're in, or even a Cincinnati loss, they'd be in.
For the Dolphins, they need a win and a Denver loss.
Bengals not doing quite as well in the scenarios for starters.
They're currently losing. A tiebreaker had to head with Miami
as they have the same record, but Miami has a
slightly better conference mark, so the Bengals would need a
win against Pittsburgh and the other two to lose. In

(26:24):
the NBA, at Boston tonight, Pacers beat the Celtics one
twenty three to one fourteen. There was a trade in
the NBA, as the Lakers dealt di'angelo Russell to the nets.
Among the nine NHL games. Tonight's well, we've got a
win for the Red Wings over the Caps four to two,
and Montreal won five to two at Tampa Bay. And

(26:46):
a reminder, guys, the Hall of Fame finalist list came
out this weekend for the NFL. That is, the Pro
Football Hall of Fame in candidate includes Eli Manning. Of
the fifteen announced yesterday, nine were also finalists a year ago.
Luke Keikley is up for the haul this year. The
list of finalists also includes Antonio Gates, Tory Holt, Steve Smith,

(27:07):
Reggie Wayne, Fred Taylor's on the list, Adam Vinatieri and
others as well. The Hall Selection Committee will meet the
week of the Super Bowl, will find out the class
of twenty twenty five on February sixth at the NFL
HONORSPEC To you.

Speaker 3 (27:21):
Great stepf Steve as always, and good evening and happy
holidays and happy New Year to you as well as
Steve's going through all of that. E from that AFC
playoff scenario, there's one other thing to add, and that
is not only do the Broncos simply need to win,
they only need to beat the Chiefs backups, which was

(27:43):
announced today that the Chiefs in that game, despite the
fact that it is the lynchpin for what is left
in the AFC, will not be playing their starters. I
get it, I agree with it, but I also want
to know sort of how how do teams sort of
reason with that around the league. The Chiefs have plenty

(28:04):
to protect, obviously, and they've got the one seed, and
so I'm not suggesting that they go bang their head
against the wall on behalf of the Cincinnati Bengals by
any stretch.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
But I do wonder.

Speaker 3 (28:17):
I do wonder how that sits with the league when
Denver like that game sets up everything else, and presumably
it'll be Carson Wentz and a bunch of I don't
know who's playing in that game.

Speaker 5 (28:29):
Yeah, and I can tell you this, the Chiefs don't
care what the league feels about it. Are in your
team because they got their work done. You get your
work done early, you get to do what you want
to do. That's the bottom line. And they got their
work done early. They did everything they needed to do,
and so now they're in a situation where you can

(28:51):
rest Jones on defense, you can rest Patrick and Kelsey
and anyone and Poteco, and you can rest these guys
that have given you everything all year to put you
in this position and get them healthier. Right, imagine what
a two week rested Kansas City Chief their starters will be, like,

(29:13):
I mean, that is that's an amazing feat And there
is no rust. They played too much football this year
for it to even be considered rust right now. And
so just them having that break, not having to to
you know, the mental the mental fatigue at this point
in the year is something that is unbelievable. And and

(29:37):
the fact that they're not having to deal with that's
that's what you want. And so the league can they
can feel however they want to feel.

Speaker 3 (29:47):
I get it. I would do the same. I do
have a thought though, that is at least worth considering.
And I'm not saying you don't like maybe pull them early,
but when you're the one seed under this new format,
it means you automatically don't play Week one in the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (30:05):
So if you don't play Week eighteen either, that is
a hell of a break.

Speaker 3 (30:11):
The forty nine ers did the exact same thing last year,
and they went to the Super Bowl. I'll also say,
though they didn't look very good in the playoffs. They
had to rally to beat the Packers, They had to really,
really really rally.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
To beat the Lions.

Speaker 3 (30:26):
They looked a little shell shocked and never really quite
got their swag back. Just to thought, do you play
a half so you go get a little sweat going.

Speaker 5 (30:37):
Nope, you can go to get a sweat on an elliptical.
You get your peloton. Shout out to Peloton and get
everybody pelotons for the holidays, and they can ride together
in the class.

Speaker 4 (30:50):
You know, all.

Speaker 5 (30:52):
All the starters. They can have Peloton days. Right Because
the one thing I believe, and they've proven it. We
don't have to worry about Kansas City. We don't have
to worry about their motivation. We don't have to worry
about They were in the perfect position to be tired.

(31:15):
They've gone to the Super Bowl almost every year.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (31:20):
They've played more football.

Speaker 5 (31:22):
Than any other team in the league the last five years,
including San Francisco, and they're winning. We just watched them stumble,
bumble and fumble all the way to fifteen and one.
They won every possible conceivable way you can win.

Speaker 4 (31:44):
They've earned it.

Speaker 5 (31:46):
Do you think Chris Jones is gonna be rusty after
two weeks of playing of rest?

Speaker 2 (31:51):
Probably not.

Speaker 4 (31:52):
Do you think Patrick Mahomes is going to be rusty?

Speaker 2 (31:56):
Probably?

Speaker 4 (31:57):
Travis Kelce, probably not.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
But while we're talking about what we think, you think.

Speaker 4 (32:01):
They're gonna win. I can't bet against him at all.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
I hear you.

Speaker 5 (32:07):
Anybody saying anything other has not been paying attention and
good luck out there and in Vegas, good l fair enough.

Speaker 3 (32:16):
I still think that no matter all the data and
the blocked kicks and the penalties and this that and
the other, the Ravens and Bills look more dynamic and
better to me, they.

Speaker 4 (32:28):
Just don't until they don't, until they don't until I.

Speaker 3 (32:31):
Know we've been through this rodeo before, and it will
be in Kansas City.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
So I get it. I get it.

Speaker 5 (32:39):
Proof is in the pudding, man, what you you you
gotta look at? Look man like I always equate football
or sports to relationships. Right now, You in a relationship
and everything goes good, and then a certain point it
just turns left, and then you go to counseling and
be like, I'm gonna do better, and then happens again,

(33:02):
and then you go to counseling and I'm gonna do better,
and then it happens again. Right, We're still waiting for
Lamar Jackson, who I believe is the MVP this year.
We're still waiting for him to it. It was such
a big deal going into the playoffs last year, facing
the Chiefs in the playoff. This is Lamar's moment. He

(33:23):
can snatch back all that negative, the negative connotations about
him in big games. In the playoffs, he can snatch
it away. And we watched him fumble it away then
wouldn't leave the pocket for whatever reason, didn't use his legs,
all of these things. And so to sit here now
and be like, oh, Lamar, you gotta show me something,

(33:50):
Kansas City has shown me something every single year, and
so I don't care what Josh Allen is looking like.
When they can't beat Kansas City in the playoffs, they can't.
They can beat him in the regular season. We've seen that.
We've read that book. But when you get to the

(34:12):
playoff portion of the book, what happens one guy on
one guy has beaten him in the last lost in
the last four years, did that one guy? They're not
going to make the playoffs, and that's Joe Burrow.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
I hear you. I hear you.

Speaker 3 (34:28):
I'm not going to look at some of the things
Josh Allen has done in those games and say he
can't beat Patrick when he no, I.

Speaker 4 (34:34):
Don't think so.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
I mean, when you lose.

Speaker 3 (34:35):
One hundred to ninety seven, I'm not going to be
like Josh is a choker.

Speaker 5 (34:40):
It's not about Josh. It's not about Josh. It's about
the Kansas City Chiefs.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
Sure, I hear you. I hear you.

Speaker 5 (34:46):
Had thirteen seconds to win. The thirteen seconds Buffalo went
up and they had thirteen.

Speaker 2 (34:54):
Seconds, yep, and the Chiefs did it yep.

Speaker 4 (34:57):
I mean that's crazy. That's crazy talk.

Speaker 3 (35:00):
Well, okay, let in fact, let's let's continue this crazy
talk because I think it's an interesting conversation. Coming up
next with e from salam Mark Willard. Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 3 (35:22):
Tell me You're young without telling me that you're young.
Jade Daniels just went down on a hit that if
it happened to you or me. Ephraim, oh my God,
they would just order the wheelchair right now and be like,
I'm sorry about the rest of your life.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
That's the way it's gonna go.

Speaker 3 (35:43):
And Jenden hopped up and went, all right, third down,
Hold on the dude, did your heart skip a beat too?

Speaker 4 (35:52):
Yes? Oh god?

Speaker 7 (35:54):
Uh horrible man, it looks horrible and quite frankly, there's
something about that uniform, because you know the thighsman's and
the Alex Smiths and like that uniform.

Speaker 3 (36:07):
I got all kinds of PTSDSD oh God.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
And Jade's just like, yeah, sorry, it's third down.

Speaker 4 (36:13):
It's cool.

Speaker 3 (36:14):
Just walked off the field. Go ahead, all right, seven seven,
We'll keep you up to date. Steve's going to be
along here in ten minutes with all of them.

Speaker 5 (36:22):
Details Normally, right now, I'm in my cozy confounds of
my studio in Los Angeles and Sherman Oaks, but yep,
I'm up here in Sacramento, my home away from home
where I went to high school and.

Speaker 4 (36:37):
Was a budd In superstar. Not to toot my own one, but.

Speaker 5 (36:43):
Our kids are my son's you know, aau and they
had a big tournament up here and him and my
nephew played for Paul George Elite, the AAU team, and
we're at the game today and I want to send
a shout out to Jim Smart, who was my high
school basketball coach, who came out and watched our sons

(37:06):
play Man and it was like it was so crazy
because number one gym coach is still angry at my
parents because I graduated high school at sixteen, and he
was furious with them because he could have had two
more years with me, and he is more than sure

(37:29):
that we would have won state both or at least
one of those years when I was in high school,
but I was off in college. So it's funny because
him and our head football coach used to go at it,
like literally go at it about me. I spent a

(37:50):
lot of my time trying to get better in basketball,
and football was really sort of a natural thing for me,
and so there was always arguments about who whose player
I was. And I was recruited heavily by basketball for
a colleges for basketball and football. And so I want

(38:12):
to send a shout out to not only Florin High
whoop woop Panthers in the building, but Jim Smirker, my guy.

Speaker 3 (38:21):
I love it by the way, you still could be
the two sports star that you've always wanted to be.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
You still can. I've watched the.

Speaker 3 (38:32):
NBA, and my man, you just need to stand there.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
You know.

Speaker 3 (38:38):
I don't need you to be a star, just to
be someone's fifth option.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
And all you got to do is just stand there. Man,
Just stand there.

Speaker 3 (38:49):
Yeah, ball come to you every three possessions. Maybe you
shoot it.

Speaker 5 (38:54):
Maybe if they throw it to me in the post,
I'm gonna get a bucket.

Speaker 3 (38:57):
Well, yeah, you to go inside the three point arc
if you want. I just want you to know you
don't have to. You don't have to go in there.

Speaker 4 (39:05):
I'm getting a bucket. You throw it down there. I'm
getting a bucket jump hook.

Speaker 3 (39:08):
You can play the same way I used to play
in the Tuesday Night Men's Leagues. Man, I treated that
three point line like a brick wall. I'm not going
past that. All that happens in there are torn this
and pull that. I don't I'm gonna stay right here,
and when it's my turn, I'm gonna pull the trigger.

Speaker 2 (39:30):
So keeps in the prize. Man, you can do it.

Speaker 4 (39:34):
You can do it. My lower back says something else.

Speaker 5 (39:37):
My lower back says Hey, before you get up out
of the bed, you need to do a series of
these things.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
Got full checklist, so you can, so you can stand up.

Speaker 5 (39:49):
Just a series of these things before we get off into.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
The day, before we're going anywhere. Yeah, yeah, no, that's
that's the end of my life.

Speaker 3 (40:00):
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and oh, by the way, a form of a playoff
spot is on the line on both sides of the ball.

(40:44):
Washington is in with a win, the game tied seven
to seven as they start the second quarter. By the way,
and Atlanta keeps pace at the top of the NFC
South with a victory there and then would be one
win away from clinching the division themselves. So a lot
on the line for these two young bucks. And it's

(41:05):
already been an entertaining first quarter moving up and down
the field. Pennix has a pick, Daniels has a touchdown pass.
We will keep you up to date. Let's move on
from old from the young guys and talk about an
old one.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
All right, what do you do about Aaron Rodgers?

Speaker 3 (41:25):
And I mean that if you're the Jets or anyone
else he says he wants to play, is anyone interested.

Speaker 4 (41:34):
I'm sure there'll be a suitor somewhere down.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
Who could it be? Who should it be?

Speaker 5 (41:39):
I may be a Tennessee Are someone in the market
like that at Tennessee, Indianapolis if they don't get a
Kirk Cousins or something like that, someone to, you know,
to try to do what the Jets did in terms
of infuse some passion in the fan base and stuff

(42:05):
like that. And you will say, no matter what the
outcome has been the last two years, the Jets fan
base has been impassioned in the thought of going.

Speaker 4 (42:16):
They weren't saying.

Speaker 5 (42:17):
Playoffs, they were saying super Bowl or bus after not
being in the playoffs for a couple of decades, So
they were going all the way to the super Bowl
because of Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 4 (42:37):
Yep.

Speaker 5 (42:38):
And so I think there's other fan bases or other
teams that are in between, maybe not have the right
draft pick to get somebody. This is a very light
quarterback draft as it stands. So you know, I can
see him in Tennessee. I can see him in NDI

(43:00):
with Jonathan Taylor and Pittman. I think there will be
a market, not a big market, not an expensive market,
but I think if he wants to play, there'll be
a place for him to play.

Speaker 3 (43:14):
You want to know what's fascinating about about the Aaron
Rodgers situation. It might be less about who wants him
and more about whether or not he could accept the
role that I think should be available to him.

Speaker 2 (43:30):
Aaron.

Speaker 3 (43:32):
I think I'm not stepping out of bounds here from
is about control, think Aaron. Aaron feels to me, I've
never met the man, feels to me like a little
bit of.

Speaker 2 (43:46):
A control freak, A little bit.

Speaker 3 (43:48):
A little bit when you look at at the way
things ended in Green Bay, when you look at even
the Okay, you go to the Jets and and and
what do we have through the middle of the sea.
And we have a coach losing a job, who's a
good coach by the way, we have a GM losing
a job, We have the acquisition of what feels like
a personal wide receiver, and more on that in just

(44:13):
a second. But all of those things happen and it
leads to a big, fat, like nothing burger, really really
in your face kind of of an idea that this
is not it and you should not be handing these
kinds of reins over to that guy. So now, wherever
this next place is, Ephraim, it's got to be a

(44:35):
place that's like, we'd like for you to come be
our quarterback very short term.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
We'd like you to probably help someone else become the
next quarterback. And by the way, you're calling no shots.

Speaker 3 (44:53):
None is Aaron ready to do that?

Speaker 2 (44:58):
That's my question.

Speaker 5 (45:00):
I would say he's not ready to do that. But
what what happens is you get humbled when you're like that.
We see it in all sports. We see it in
the NBA, we see it in football when great Hall
of Fame players have to assume a different role, are
different than what they're used to. Then there's pushback because

(45:21):
in their minds there's still those players. They're the last
to see. They're the last ones to see because mentally
you're you're there, you can do the same things. But
even with the great Peyton Manning his second year in Denver, right,

(45:46):
it's arm turned off in the middle of the season.
He was binged and came back and won the Super Bowl.
We saw with Tom Brady when he took time off
during training camp. I knew this was the end because
he had been so locked in his entire year, meaning
sacrificing everything outside of football for so many years. To

(46:09):
now try to dip your toe into that pool and
stay in the one you've been swimming in for twenty years,
it's impossible. You can't because you don't know how to
do it. You don't know how to do it. And
that was a situation we saw. So there are different
things that show you the end is there. Aaron Rodgers

(46:34):
going to Egypt doing mini camp. Yep, that seems crazy. Well,
I had the trip planned already. Yeah, you're a football player.
You play football, you're the quarterback of the team, and
you're in Egypt during Mini camp, right, So there's little

(46:55):
signs of guys, you know, drifting away from the level
of effort that they've put into becoming great. And whenever
you have someone drifting away from that, then you start
seeing the end. The end is there. It's there. And

(47:16):
I really think that's what we got a privy to
coming into this season with Aaron Rodgers and Robert Salo
was like, hey, there's many camp he wanted to go
wherever he wanted wanted to go, right and and and
he made sure he let us know it's not excused.
And so that was that was the writing on the
wall for us. Everybody was excited to see him come

(47:37):
back from the Achilles injury, and then you start hearing
different rumblings and you know he's rubbing people the wrong way,
and and he won't ever have a situation where he's
in complete control and hiring people and bringing people in.
That's that those days are gone. That experiment did not

(47:57):
work in New York and no one is going to
repeat that.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
Hmm. I like, I'm with you.

Speaker 3 (48:07):
It seems hard for me to believe that Aaron is
ready to do what the league is going to need
him to do and and my god is as much
as we watch football games. We were just talking about
the Bears last hour, and you you turn on the
TV and you see things where you're just like, do
you guys understand football? Like what are you doing? We

(48:29):
see stuff like that all the time. Yet, if there's
no way the league makes this mistake again, right, there's
not a football team that will do for Aaron what
the Jets just did.

Speaker 4 (48:46):
No right, no, no one.

Speaker 2 (48:50):
Right.

Speaker 4 (48:50):
That's how you get right. But you get fired.

Speaker 3 (48:55):
And they all just got fired. So I would argue
if someone does it again, they should be fired. Yeah,
And so no one's gonna do that. No one should
do that. Aaron's gonna have to be a completely different dude.
Like this next team does not want to see you
with that look on your face on Pat McAfee every Tuesday,

(49:19):
that look on your face of I know everything and
everybody else doesn't. Nobody wants to see that anymore. You
can't do that anymore. You can't do that and then
go win four games.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
No, you can't do that.

Speaker 3 (49:40):
You can't do that, and then go get shut out
in Buffalo. I don't care that they scored fourteen points.
It was all after Aaron left. By the way, you
can't spend all week having Aaron Rodgers and DeVante Adams'
daydream about his five hundredth touchdown path before the game

(50:01):
has even started, as if it's just your birthright that
when you show up, you're gonna get a TV pass
and you get to pick who you throw it to.
Like if I'm the Bills, I'm like, who the hell do.

Speaker 2 (50:15):
These two people think they are? Like you got.

Speaker 4 (50:19):
Focusing man, Like I just.

Speaker 3 (50:26):
At a certain point, ownership in the front office with
the Jets has got to have some self respect and
you have to be like, what on earth who are
we letting run this show? So I don't think someone
makes that mistake again. And I would love to be

(50:46):
surprised to see that Aaron Rodgers is ready to take
a humbled role.

Speaker 5 (50:53):
Just think about this, Just listen to this. Aaron Rodgers,
the Great Aaron Rodgers was twelve for eight f one
hundred and twelve yards and two interceptions M.

Speaker 2 (51:08):
Zero points, zero points.

Speaker 3 (51:13):
And by the way, one of his interceptions came in
the red zone when he was targeting DeVante Adams. Because
I'd argue, if I'm in a Bill's Jersey. I'm like,
ge wonder who Aaron's going to try to throw the
ball to since they spent all week telling us that
you're right. Duh Oh, the whole thing, The whole thing

(51:42):
is a trip, man, It's a total trip.

Speaker 4 (51:45):
The way this all played out this year. Yeah, it's.

Speaker 5 (51:51):
It was one of those things you couldn't look away from.
But then you had to look away because you were
making yourself sad. And it's sad it is, I mean,
and a lot of this he's brought on himself, coming
off an injury that severe at his age, after not
playing will prior to the injury, In what world was

(52:17):
this about to be the rebirth?

Speaker 4 (52:22):
Not?

Speaker 2 (52:22):
Just nope, nope, not at all.

Speaker 4 (52:25):
That's a question for the multiverse. Uh.

Speaker 3 (52:28):
Speaking of an alternate reality, the New York Giants now
have one, and so does Dion Sanders' son, and we
should talk about it and we will coming up next.
That's it from Salama, Mark Wellard and Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
Falcon SEGA fourteen to seven.

Speaker 5 (52:45):
Lead.

Speaker 3 (52:47):
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Happy New Year to the New England Patriots, Tennessee Titans,

(53:10):
and Cleveland Browns. Courtesy the New York Giants. Oh now,
it's funny. We all roll our eyes. It's not like
we're asking the players to go out there and lay down.
But the New York Giants won a very, very damaging
football game today. And I bet if you're like me,

(53:32):
you would look at the standings and be like, well,
I don't know how it works with all of these
three win teams. Well, allow us to tell you head
to head matchups and all those normal tiebreakers that you're
used to in playoff football don't matter when it comes
to the draft. What matters is the strength of the
schedule that you played. And the New York Giants play

(53:53):
in a division that's got at least two maybe two
and a half if you're feeling good, really good teams
in it, and so your strength of schedule is going
to be very strong. So when you look at the
Patriots at three and thirteen, the Browns at three and thirteen,
the Tennessee Titans at three and thirteen, all of those

(54:15):
teams have quote easier schedules than the New York Giants.
So as of today, you fell from one to four,
and maybe more importantly, you fell behind two other quarterback
needy teams.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
So let me start with this, because I got all
kinds of questions. What would you have done differently if
you were the New York Giants?

Speaker 5 (54:42):
If anything, I would have rested my guys like neighbors,
league neighbors who had a day day, who went crazy

(55:02):
today he can play, Oh he's got it, but we
can play. I don't know if he was trying to
get it. Thou well, does he have a thousand yards?

Speaker 3 (55:10):
I think he did go over a thousand Let me
let me let me take a little look at that
while while you're chatting it up.

Speaker 5 (55:17):
Maybe that, maybe that's why, And I get that. I
understand that. But you can't, with a team in so
much turmoil, with so much dysfunction and so many bad
decisions the world has seen play out in real time,

(55:42):
you can't allow yourself to be in a position to
give away the first pick in the draft, because that's
how valuable it is to your franchise.

Speaker 3 (55:55):
I answer your question real quick, He's now at eleven
forty and he had one hundred and seventy one today,
so yes, he needed about thirty yards.

Speaker 5 (56:03):
After thirty yards and sit over here with me. Ham string,
ham string? What's his name? What's the Italian? The pizza guy?
Tommy DeVito, Tommy DeVito.

Speaker 4 (56:22):
You're up.

Speaker 2 (56:23):
I don't even know if he's healthy, but yeah.

Speaker 5 (56:25):
Whatever that is, whoever the fourth quarterback is, You're up.

Speaker 4 (56:32):
That's what I would have done.

Speaker 3 (56:35):
And so does the league have anything to say about
that when it gets well?

Speaker 5 (56:40):
No, that you that's why you got to start peppering
the uh the the.

Speaker 4 (56:46):
Injury report early in the week.

Speaker 5 (56:48):
Oh got a soft tissue injury, in practice. It's all
part of it. It's all part of it, man.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
I mean this is you're not wrong.

Speaker 3 (57:00):
This is huge business, huge business. Do you understand, Like,
let's look at this through the eyes of Shador.

Speaker 2 (57:09):
What happened today?

Speaker 5 (57:11):
Man?

Speaker 4 (57:11):
He like Tennessee what Tennessee?

Speaker 2 (57:15):
Tennessee? I mean Cleveland?

Speaker 5 (57:22):
I don't even he definitely not going to Cleveland. I'm
not going to let that happen.

Speaker 3 (57:26):
I don't well, I don't know what Cleveland even has
the power to do.

Speaker 2 (57:31):
Because of the Watson contract.

Speaker 5 (57:33):
They would take him if they have the first pick
in the draft. They're drafting him if he the quarterback,
that's what they're going to Well like the quarterback, the
restructure the deal.

Speaker 3 (57:43):
They I understand that, and this is only a rookie deal,
so you'd be able to fit it anyway. But the
bottom line is this, as things currently stand, it's the
Patriots who will end up with the first pick in
the draft, and what they get to do, having drafted
Drake May last year, is hold that damn thing hostage.

Speaker 4 (58:03):
Yep, and you're gonna give it. You're gonna give a
haul up for it.

Speaker 3 (58:07):
Somebody is now going to have to totally give up
a haul and compete with one another to get to
that spot.

Speaker 2 (58:16):
Because this is one of those situations.

Speaker 3 (58:18):
I would argue that if you're the Patriots, you're definitely
moving the pick now. The only fear is can you
deal with just anyone or can you only move down
to number two? Because I don't know who the best
non quarterback in the draft is that the Patriots will
have their eyes on and they probably don't want to

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mess around with that. But still they get to they
get to hold this pick hostage.

Speaker 4 (58:47):
Yeah, but you get a bunch.

Speaker 5 (58:49):
More so, whatever guy you think you can get, you
can still get him, unless there's I mean, I don't
see any.

Speaker 4 (58:59):
You know. I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (59:03):
I got to look at the draft board and look
at the look at the guys. But you want to
get as much as you can as the Patriots. You
want to increase your your your picks this draft like
no one's business.

Speaker 2 (59:21):
I guess the name.

Speaker 3 (59:22):
That I'm sure people listening to us right now are
probably screaming at their radio or their smart speaker is
Travis Hunter.

Speaker 4 (59:28):
Now are you?

Speaker 2 (59:29):
Are you?

Speaker 3 (59:29):
If you're the Patriots, are you so enamored with Travis
Hunter that you're willing to potentially move out of number
one to something beyond number two? And yeah, risk risk
someone else jumping in there and taking him.

Speaker 5 (59:48):
Yeah, because I think if you moved to three or
four you can still get Travis Hunter Neil Kim warden
Shader the first.

Speaker 2 (59:57):
Two off the board probably probably, So.

Speaker 5 (01:00:01):
If you land at three, you're still gonna get your
guy plus whatever you need.

Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
Right, But the New York Giants might end up at
number four.

Speaker 3 (01:00:10):
So if they call and they say we need that
number one pick, you can move to number four? Are
you comfortable doing that? If you're the Patriots, who's a three? Well,
we don't know yet. But the four teams that we're
talking about are the Patriots, the Browns, the Titans, and
the Giants. Yeah, and in theory, in theory, all three

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of them need quarterbacks, but there aren't three quarterbacks and
that are going to go one to three. I don't
think you're right that it's probably one and two and
then what do you do from there? And if you
are the odd team out like is, let's say the
Giants are sitting at four and the Patriots are like,
who wants this number one pick? And whoever sitting at

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number two might be like, eh, we'll just take whichever
QB you don't ye, right, and that number three team
wants the QB.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
But they know that.

Speaker 3 (01:01:13):
The Patriots are like, well, but you're not going to
take them, but they don't want to get jumped. But
then they can kind of threaten the Travis Hunter play.
If the Patriots were to fall to number four, all
New York had to do is lose.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
All they had to do was lose.

Speaker 5 (01:01:30):
And we wouldn't even have to have to break this down.
We're breaking it down.

Speaker 3 (01:01:35):
To a team that, by the way, in theory, I
know it's a long shot, but in theory still had
a shot.

Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
They had a lot to play for.

Speaker 4 (01:01:43):
They did, they really did. They could.

Speaker 3 (01:01:45):
They were just like the Dolphins. They could have they
could have still been in the playoff mix. Yes, but
it wasn't Flacco. They gave up over forty points.

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
To the Giants.

Speaker 3 (01:01:59):
Crazy like they just went up and down the field
like they were dynamic and they're not.

Speaker 4 (01:02:08):
That's wild. That's wild business right there.

Speaker 3 (01:02:10):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
It sure is shit.

Speaker 5 (01:02:12):
Is that that in itself? I was like, Okay, what's
what's happening here? I mean flac oh, those those early
that early in like the interceptions that he just can't
do it, can't do it, can't do it.

Speaker 4 (01:02:28):
You know what else you can't do?

Speaker 5 (01:02:31):
We can't go over our allotted time to bring on
the one and only golden voice of Stephen gv.

Speaker 6 (01:02:42):
Thank you very much. And by the way, I don't
think the Giants need a quarterback anymore after today they
have Drew Locke for crying out loud, a guy who
in the last four seasons of his NFL career had
a record of one and seven and then today ended
the ten game losing streak of the Giants beat up
the Colts forty five to thirty three. Drew Lock had

(01:03:02):
four touchdown passes and a late TD run three hundred
and nine yards passing. How about this from the league,
Drew Lock today became the fifth player in the history
of the NFL to have a game with not only
at least three hundred passing yards and at least four
tds through the year, but also a rushing TD and
a passer rating in the game of at least one

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point fifty five. Josh Allen did that in a game
last year, Aaron Rodgers in a game five years ago,
Ryan Fitzpatrick and Drew Brees the others, and of course
Drew Lock is now on the list as well. The
Giants led twenty eight to thirteen early in the third.
It was twenty eight twenty six early in the fourth.
There were ten touchdowns in that game and only ten

(01:03:45):
total penalties. And yes, New England could be drafting number
one overall. We still have a weekend to go. Miami
is still in the playoff chase eight and eight after
a win at Cleveland twenty to three. Browns have lost
five in a row. They're three to thirteen. We'll see
if they draft a quarterback. Tyler was a QB for
the Dolphins today, a touchdown run and a touchdown pass
as two of Tongua Bay Loo was out with a

(01:04:05):
hip injury. Minnesota won its ninth game in a row,
beat Green Bay twenty seven to twenty five. Sam Darnold
three more touchdown passes, one interception. He had three hundred
and seventy seven yards through the air two minute warning
late first half of the Sunday Night NFL game in DC.
The Falcons lead the Commanders fourteen to seven. Atlanta cannot
clinch its division title tonight because Tampa Bay already won

(01:04:28):
today easily over Carolina. Atlanta does have b John Robinson now.
While Michael Pennix has an interception and just sixty six
yards passing in the first half, Robinson sixty three yards
rushing and a couple of one yard tds, so they're
ahead on the road against Jayden Daniels in company. Daniels
one touchdown pass, one interception, only one carry so far.

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It was a twenty five yard run. Washington would clinch
a playoff berth with a win or a tie tonight
Washington's already ten and five Monday Night Detroit at Sanfrance Cisco,
the Buffalo Bills clinch the two seed in the AFC,
beating the Jets forty to fourteen Josh Allen with three
total touchdowns. In fact, the Buffalo Bills have scored at

(01:05:10):
least thirty points in twelve different games this season. The
Packers did that in twenty twenty, but only eight teams
in NFL history have had thirty points in at least
twelve different games, and it's thirteen and three. The record
for the Bills. Now that ties a franchise record most
regular season victories for him. They beat the Jets and
it was forty to nothing over the Jets mid fourth quarter,

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Philadelphia down Dallas forty one to seven. Philly clinched the
NFC East title with a win. Jalen Hurts was out
today with a concussion. Kenny Pickett, the starting quarterback, had
a touchdown pass touchdown run, left with a rib injury.
Tanner McKee had two touchdown passes. Saquon Barkley now over
two thousand yards rushing this year. Today he had thirty

(01:05:52):
one carries one hundred and sixty seven yards. The Tampa
Bay win was forty eight to fourteen over Carolina. Baker
Mayfield five touchdown pass is three hundred and fifty nine yards.
Jacksonville beat Tennessee twenty to thirteen in a battle of
teams that were three and twelve. The Raiders were three
and twelve but got a victory at New Orleans twenty
five to ten. It was thirteen to ten at halftime.

(01:06:13):
More on the Saints in a moment in the NBA
Oklahoma Cities twenty six and five. They just ripped Memphis
one thirty to one oh six. Shay Giljes, Alexander thirty
five points, John Moranda, the Grizzlies out tonight with a
shoulder injury, and we've got finally a win. And there
was a fight late in the game, so it took
a while to finish, but Miami Heat did get a

(01:06:34):
win at Houston one oh four to one hundred. Earlier
victories for Indiana, Atlanta, and Orlando. On a last second
layup by Cole Anthony beat Brooklyn one o two to
one oh one. The Lakers traded D'Angelo Russell to the Nets.
NHL wins for Detroit and Anaheim, among tonight's games four
minutes left second period, Minnesota tied one to one with

(01:06:55):
the Senators. Guys, there had been no shutouts in the
NFL this season until the Saints heard about that said,
really stay tuned, So the Saints on Monday, we're shut
out at green Bay. Yes, the first shutout in the
whole league this season. There's still never been a full
season without a shutout game now, the previous low was two.

(01:07:15):
That's only one so far. We only have just over
a week left in the season. How rare is this
if you go back even to nineteen sixty five, In
all the years since, we've only had two seasons with
as low as two shutouts. We're standing at one right
now and there will be no shutout tonight. About a
minute to go first half, Atlanta fourteen to seven leaders

(01:07:36):
at Washington.

Speaker 3 (01:07:37):
Back to you, although that said, Steve, the Texans deserve
one for their Christmas Day for oh my gosh, they
scored two because Derek Henry fell down in the end zone.

Speaker 2 (01:07:50):
Their all fense got goosed.

Speaker 6 (01:07:54):
Are you predicting a San Francisco score for the home
game against Detroit tomorrow night?

Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
There'll be a score.

Speaker 3 (01:08:01):
I mean Detroit literally does not have any people that
play defense anymore, so I would imagine that the forty
nine ers, and by the way, I am local, and
the weather will be dry, so we don't have to
do the whole thing about Brock Perdy and the wet ball.

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
Yeah, I say bet the over tomorrow night.

Speaker 6 (01:08:20):
The Cleveland Browns are still playing next week, so just
for that too. We had a Ravens the thirty one
to two win. As you mentioned, it's the Ravens hosting
the Browns next week. So if we're looking ahead, that's
what i'd look ahead too well.

Speaker 3 (01:08:34):
And the Ravens need that too, right because they got
to hold off the Steelers still.

Speaker 2 (01:08:38):
So yeah, yeah, that's a good candidate. I like it.

Speaker 3 (01:08:43):
I like it all right, Steve, great stuff, as always
appreciate it. Tyrack dot Com Studios, Mark Willardy from Salam
You know, while we're on that that Texans game, which
I know gets you a little bit there.

Speaker 2 (01:08:56):
He It kind of brings up an interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:09:01):
Conversation I think about quarterbacking around the league. I saw
this and I think it was Albert Breer who said it,
and this year has crystallized it for all of the
quarterback debating that we all do like they just it's
everywhere all the time, Right, we're talking about these young
guys tonight there's been the two years long Rock Purty conversation.

Speaker 2 (01:09:26):
Justin Herbert I think has dipped his.

Speaker 3 (01:09:28):
Toe in the water because he's really good, but he's
still never won a playoff game.

Speaker 2 (01:09:34):
Jalen Hurts.

Speaker 3 (01:09:35):
At the beginning of the year, the Eagle fans were
after him, and now he's thirteen and three.

Speaker 2 (01:09:40):
All this debate, I think you can say.

Speaker 3 (01:09:42):
This, there are four dudes who I would argue are different.
There are four dudes they all play in the AFC,
and that's Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson.

Speaker 2 (01:09:57):
And Joe Burrow.

Speaker 3 (01:10:00):
Now, outside of that, how much of the production that
you get from a QB has to do with that
quarterback's talent versus what's really happening around him? Like, explain
Sam Donald to me this year, Explain Baker Mayfield to me.

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How much is talent versus what is sort of the
place setting for said quarterback?

Speaker 5 (01:10:38):
There's a combination of both. Right, the place has to
be set to enjoy the meal. So the talent is
the meal and if the place that the place setting
is set properly, then the mill can be enjoyed. And
we've seen it both ways. Take Sam Donald like he
was in, you know, a messy place to start his career,

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and what happens is you develop messy habits you you
don't you can't enjoy the pace of learning and getting
better without you know, the slopping, the grossness of of
of your situation when you come in and you have

(01:11:30):
to be the savior of a franchise. Number one is
not fair for a young player fresh out of college.
But more times than not, it doesn't work out in
your advantage. And that's what we see. So that's why
I'm always like, hey man, look, just because you draft
him in the first round doesn't mean you got to

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put them out there and play. Build up this roster,
get get people, get make things happen for him. So
clean up your clean up your area before you set
the you know, before you serve the meal. We just
sending these kids out there. It ain't even know, plates
and knives and barks on the table. You just like,
hey man, going out.

Speaker 4 (01:12:10):
There, and.

Speaker 5 (01:12:12):
So many more times than not, it has such an
adverse effect on their abilities and in their careers and
their trajectory. I love the fact that we're in a
situation where we get to see a resurgence of guys
who were thrown away. You know, look at Baker Maker
Baker Mayfield today, like the numbers he put up, like

(01:12:33):
he's gonna sling that thing, right. It's it's a it's
a beautiful thing to see. And I always say, one
man's trash is another man's treasure.

Speaker 4 (01:12:46):
It happens.

Speaker 5 (01:12:47):
Man, if you see something in someone who's like, man,
I can really work with that, and you create a
conducive learning environment for him, then you allow the.

Speaker 4 (01:12:58):
Talent to surface.

Speaker 5 (01:13:02):
Think about if Sam Donald didn't go to San Francisco
learn how to actually beat a bro and then didn't
get an opportunity in Minnesota, what will.

Speaker 4 (01:13:15):
Be saying about his career that would have been it?

Speaker 2 (01:13:20):
Well?

Speaker 3 (01:13:20):
Right, and this is up that Like, I'd love to
continue this conversation because it's up and down the board
where it feels like guys moonlight as like, oh, that's
a dude, and then the next year it's not a dude.

Speaker 2 (01:13:32):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:13:33):
Jared Goff and Tua are making more than fifty mil
per pop. Now we've got questions about Brock Purdy and C. J.
Stroud and all of a sudden, Sam Donald is amazing,
thirty two touchdowns, eleven picks. What does Minnesota do next year?
With JJ McCarthy on the way, justin, Herbert Kyler Murray,

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we could do this conversation all over the place. It
also leads to a comment you made earlier about the
MVP when you said, and I love what you said
that why have we all forgotten about Lamar Jackson?

Speaker 2 (01:14:06):
And just handed it to Josh?

Speaker 3 (01:14:08):
Put the numbers side by side and let's talk about it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:11):
So we'll do all of that. Next E from Salam
Mark Willard, Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 3 (01:14:16):
Okay, these arethetyreg dot com studios with E from Salama
Mark Willin. I'm just playing around with some numbers here.
We can do this for a little bit top of
the hour. You're all voting for the wrong guy for MVP.
You are like, I mean, I feel like the two
of us could put forth an argument where you're like, oh,

(01:14:37):
this isn't an argument, it's just a fact you're voting
for the wrong guy.

Speaker 2 (01:14:41):
But whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:14:43):
But there's also this I'm fascinated by this idea of
what's going on around a quarterback and how do we
talk about it, how do we make sense of it?
Because it's the quarterback position, we want that person to
be superman. Well, that's what we want, and so we'll

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do things like we do in the NBA, where it's
like you got to elevate the people around you. And
if there are injuries around you, or you're coaching is
having a bad year, or people are dropping balls or whatever,
it's still your fall this year fault. You've got to
pick them all up and take them to the Promised Land,

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as if that exists in football. Meanwhile, Joe Burrow can
win four in a row to get to eight and eight. Nobody,
nobody says Joe did anything wrong because he's winning games
for your fantasy team. Meantime, ready for this number. Sam

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Darnold and Baker Mayfield two years ago were teammates on
the Carolina Panthers, and the Panthers could not figure out
which quarterback they hated more.

Speaker 2 (01:15:58):
Come figure it out. They're like, we don't like that guy,
but we really don't like that guy.

Speaker 3 (01:16:02):
And then you could just go back and forth, and
what did they end up doing with both of them?

Speaker 2 (01:16:07):
Kick them out of here. Leave these two men are you.

Speaker 3 (01:16:11):
Ready have combined this year for seventy eight touchdowns?

Speaker 4 (01:16:22):
Wow?

Speaker 3 (01:16:23):
Oh and twenty three wins. So tell me again that
the quarterback is not supposed to be the product of
an environment. I'll give you the Big four and even
Burrow because I just said his record is still not good.
He's probably going to miss the playoffs. But if I

(01:16:46):
set aside those four Burrow, Mahomes, Lamar, and Josh, what.

Speaker 2 (01:16:51):
Are we doing to these other qbs?

Speaker 4 (01:16:55):
You know? Is CJ.

Speaker 2 (01:16:56):
Stroud now supposedly is he not the answer? In you?
Is that what I'm supposed to believe? He not the guy?

Speaker 3 (01:17:06):
And and and Tua is is not good and and
and rock Purty is is not good, all based on
some clear things I think that have been going on
around them, starting with major injury.

Speaker 4 (01:17:28):
Yeah, I I.

Speaker 5 (01:17:32):
The scope in which we grade our players is always
out of focus. And what's good for the goose is
very rarely good for the gender.

Speaker 6 (01:17:48):
And.

Speaker 5 (01:17:51):
Perception is reality. All of these statements are what makes
evaluating who's what and who even more difficult. Also, we're
also creatures of the moment. Game by game, week by week,

(01:18:17):
you can decide who's good and who's not who's the
MVP who's not instead of looking at the totality in
the body of work.

Speaker 4 (01:18:27):
On that individual year, and so it's almost like, well.

Speaker 5 (01:18:33):
Whoever plays last, whoever has the last game, whoever is
in the MVP running, whoever has the last game next week,
And if they just continue to do what they've been
doing all year, they'll be the MVP. If Lamar Jackson

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plays last and he's out of this world like he's been,
he'll be the MVP. If Josh Allen plays last and
he's out of this world like he's been, he'll be
the MVP. Unless the voting is already done, I'm not
sure when they turn those ballots in.

Speaker 3 (01:19:11):
Yeah, I'm not either, And quite frankly, I mean the Bills.
Next week's game is a complete nothing burger for them.
He probably should he should not play in that football game.
Lamar has to play though in his mm HM, so
that's interesting.

Speaker 4 (01:19:29):
Yes he does.

Speaker 3 (01:19:32):
They've they've got a division to go clinch now. They
played the Cleveland Browns.

Speaker 2 (01:19:36):
So.

Speaker 3 (01:19:38):
On paper, maybe it's not that difficult of a game,
but we'll see. And speaking of that MVP vote, indeed,
people are you're getting ready to vote for the wrong guy,
and we can prove it to you and we will next.
All the Washington commanders got work to do, and so
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debate class and the teacher said, okay, you over here,
make up two names, Sam and Asha. You guys get
to debate Josh Allen and Mark and Ephram. You're over here,
You're going to debate Lamar Jackson. I'm like, we win.

(01:20:48):
It's over.

Speaker 2 (01:20:50):
I don't understand how anybody.

Speaker 3 (01:20:54):
Could even attempt to make an argument for Josh Allen
as the MVP. What precisely would you start with because
you want him to be because Lamar was last year.

Speaker 2 (01:21:09):
Listen to this.

Speaker 3 (01:21:11):
Lamar has more touchdown throws, fewer picks, more rushing yards,
more passing yards, a significantly higher quarterback rating a higher
completion percentage and both teams are in first place, and
exactly are you arguing?

Speaker 4 (01:21:34):
And he plays in a tougher division, and.

Speaker 2 (01:21:36):
He plays in a tougher division, thank you?

Speaker 3 (01:21:40):
Josh gets six games sorry Dolphins, four games.

Speaker 4 (01:21:47):
Handed to him every year.

Speaker 3 (01:21:52):
Like, I don't even understand why we're having the conversation.

Speaker 2 (01:21:56):
And the funny thing is we're not. People have just
moved on. Josh is the MVP, So that's fun. What
they explain it to me?

Speaker 3 (01:22:06):
Tell me how? And my ears are wide opening from
I don't hear it. I don't see it.

Speaker 5 (01:22:16):
I think people get enamored with a player, right, Josh
Allen was on the cover of Madden twenty twenty four,
So people get enamored with with a player and that's

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where they live, and if that player is dynamic and tremendous,
then it's easy for them to stay there. And there's
also well Lamar's he won it last year, so it's
Josh's turn.

Speaker 4 (01:22:57):
It doesn't really go.

Speaker 5 (01:22:58):
Like that, No, it doesn't, right, Like we see that
at the Heisman Trophy. Well, he wonted last year, but
he's still the best player in college this year too,
So well we got to spread it around. But why
do you have to spread it around? Aaron Rodgers went
it back to back, didn't he?

Speaker 4 (01:23:17):
Yep?

Speaker 5 (01:23:17):
Peyton Manning want it back to back, didn't he yep?
So what are we talking about? What are we talking about?

Speaker 4 (01:23:27):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:23:29):
And I think what we're talking about is that people
already decided because five weeks ago, Lamar was mired in
second place, and if you had Josh on your fantasy team,
you were just happy camper. And it looked like Buffalo.

(01:23:50):
You know, Buffalo went and beat Kansas City and that
was it. So we just moved on and nobody's watching
what's happening anymore. That's what it feels like to me.

Speaker 5 (01:24:08):
I mean, Baltimore is eleven and five, Buffalo's thirteen and three.
Baltimore is in a much tougher conference by a mile.
It's not even close. Even the bad teams in that division,
excuse me, that division can can get on.

Speaker 3 (01:24:30):
You one of them. There's only one of them, so right,
there's no plural there. The Bengals are not a good defense,
but it's not a bad team.

Speaker 4 (01:24:40):
No, they're not.

Speaker 5 (01:24:43):
And it's one of those situations where that in itself
should be like, oh, okay, well this their road obviously
is harder because they have to play against, you know,
a division opponent that is far more superior than the

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one Josh Allen has to play right, eight and eight,
ten and six, eleven and five versus eight and eight,
four and twelve, three and thirteen. That's to me speaks volumes.

Speaker 3 (01:25:26):
Buffalo plays in a division where they are the only
team with a positive point differential. The Ravens play in
a division where the Browns are the only team with
a negative point differential. Another way to say what you just.

Speaker 5 (01:25:38):
Said, and you flip the coin and you go to
the NFC and you want to argue, Okay, Philly better
than Minnesota.

Speaker 4 (01:25:47):
Are Detroit?

Speaker 5 (01:25:49):
Well, Philly has Dallas and New York giants, the giants
in Minnesota and Detroit have well, Minnesota has Detroit and
green Bay and green Bay.

Speaker 4 (01:26:06):
They're all, they all. This is crazy.

Speaker 5 (01:26:09):
They all have over eleven wins eleven or more wins
in that division. That's out of control. Yep, that's out
of control. No other division has three double digit winners
in it, and two of them are you know, fourteen

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and one is fourteen and two. Detroit plays tomorrow they're
thirteen and two and Green Bay is eleven and five.
That's crazy to me.

Speaker 3 (01:26:47):
I mean, we got it. We gotta start a campaign. Man,
it's too late, I really do. I feel like it's
too late. But I'm looking at this stuff and I'm like,
it's not okay. I'm overstating it when I say it's
not even close. But to me, there is obvious and
and it's really difficult because if you watch either of
these teams play, I get the same vibe, which is just,

(01:27:10):
oh my god, this team is good, but they're elite
because of their QB.

Speaker 2 (01:27:17):
That's it.

Speaker 3 (01:27:17):
Like they both are centered around this player and they're
both phenomenal. And so I'm actually not even offended by
the idea of a campaign for Josh Allen for MVP.

Speaker 4 (01:27:30):
I'm offended.

Speaker 3 (01:27:31):
I'm offended by the idea that it's just like obvious
and over.

Speaker 2 (01:27:36):
It's like, no, it's not like.

Speaker 3 (01:27:41):
Earned justh is incredible. But but somehow Lamar lost that
game in Pittsburgh like eight weeks ago, which was totally
justin Tucker's fault, by the way, and and and somehow
simultaneously Josh beat Patrick in Kansas City, and we just
moved on, and I'm like, y'all, come back, come back.

Speaker 2 (01:28:04):
You left the game too early.

Speaker 3 (01:28:06):
You're the people whose car brake lights we can see
over the right field fence at Dodger Stadium with kirk
Kinson at the home run.

Speaker 2 (01:28:16):
You left. You left a game that is still very
very much being played.

Speaker 3 (01:28:23):
And I'm not holding it against Lamar because he has
two MVPs on his mantle already.

Speaker 2 (01:28:29):
He has been absurdly good this year.

Speaker 4 (01:28:32):
It's not even it's crazy to watch.

Speaker 3 (01:28:35):
And again, if you're a quarterback rating person, and that's
not the end all be all, but I do think
it is significant when we look at two teams both
in first place and all of that, and you can
start doing the if and and right, how the team
plays football and all that. Josh Allen's quarterback rating is
one hundred and one point two. That's really good. Lamar's

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is one hundred and twenty one point six.

Speaker 4 (01:29:01):
That's all time, Okay, third all time.

Speaker 3 (01:29:06):
Lamar's is number one in the league, almost by double
digits over who's number two.

Speaker 2 (01:29:13):
And oh, by the way, Josh Allen is number nine.

Speaker 5 (01:29:18):
Lamar has more rushing yards, more total tv tds, more hell.

Speaker 3 (01:29:25):
The only stat you can come up with in Josh's favor,
literally the only stat is rushing touchdowns. And that's because
he's their biggest back, right, Like, his touchdowns are all
from one yard almost, you know, Lamar's check Christmas are
from fifty five yards away, jogging, jogging and looking at

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people trying to catch him.

Speaker 2 (01:29:55):
I don't know, man, They're both so stunning to watch.

Speaker 3 (01:29:58):
I just hate the fact that no one's talking about
the season the Lamar is having.

Speaker 4 (01:30:06):
Yeah, it's outstanding.

Speaker 5 (01:30:09):
What voters are going to vote they're swayed by the
the things that you know they're swayed by. Maybe they're
like the Jets. Maybe all the voters are listening to
their teenage sons and daughters.

Speaker 3 (01:30:25):
Well, and I'm going to be the dummy who's gonna
bite again, and I'm going to say that one of
them is going to represent.

Speaker 4 (01:30:32):
The AFC in the Super Bowl. Mm yep, I know. Well,
I think you're on that train alone.

Speaker 2 (01:30:41):
No I'm not. I'm not.

Speaker 3 (01:30:44):
I'm willing to admit that maybe I'm I mean, quite frankly,
I might be falling into the same trap that has
people ignoring Lamar's MVP chase, which is that you get
bored of seeing the same thing over and over, and
so maybe that's why I'm I'm like, no, the Chiefs
aren't going great because it's yeah, it's greatness.

Speaker 2 (01:31:04):
There's no there's no two ways about that.

Speaker 3 (01:31:06):
I just happen to think that those guys, if they
are presented, especially if Lamar is presented, uh, you know,
something other than snow in Kansas City in a few weeks.

Speaker 2 (01:31:20):
I think he can get it done.

Speaker 5 (01:31:24):
Yeah, if he uses his legs. Yes, And Derrick Henry
is going to be that piece, that missing piece, because
they're going to have a he of a time trying
to slow him down.

Speaker 2 (01:31:35):
Right right, Yeah, I think it's a different team this year.

Speaker 5 (01:31:39):
And this is why that Buye's double by is working
the benefit.

Speaker 3 (01:31:45):
It'll help, It'll help, there's no h there's no question.
All right, glad you are with us tonight, Mark, with
any from salam I do want to ask you this.
This is NFL related, but NBA adjacent. Lebron's comments on
December twenty sixth are worth our time. Let's let's dive
in coming up next on Fox Sports Radio. All right,

(01:32:07):
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Washington Commanders have nine penalties and we are still in
the third quarter and they are only down by three,

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and they are driving the.

Speaker 2 (01:32:54):
Nine penalties man a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:32:56):
Man, that's a whole lot of kicking yourself in the shin,
a whole lot of kicking yourself in the shin.

Speaker 5 (01:33:05):
It's just undisciplined. Yeah, but that's how dynamic they've been.
I mean, they're in this game. Oh, they're right in
this game. Jayden looks fantastic. He did throw one pick.

Speaker 3 (01:33:17):
Pennix looks a little more like he looks good, but
he looks a little more.

Speaker 2 (01:33:21):
Like, whoa wow, this is the NFL.

Speaker 3 (01:33:26):
There's a lot of like, you know, he threw a
bad pick early, and then he's also thrown a lot
of like I'm not gonna throw another pick again, throws
which are like I'm gonna throw this about five yards
ten yards over my receiver's head. Also just to make
sure I don't make another mistake. So anyway, fun watch

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and the commanders are actually in the process of going
for it right now and fourth down and oh gosh,
I think they got it. They did, and so that
drive is gonna stay alive a couple of minutes to
go in the third quarter, and we'll keep you up
to date there.

Speaker 2 (01:34:00):
But in the meantime, I loved this. Take a listen
to this.

Speaker 3 (01:34:05):
Here's Lebron James after the NFL waltzed in on a
Wednesday and said, let's play the NFL. We can play
NFL on Wednesday, and he was clearly offended by the
turf war that has started.

Speaker 2 (01:34:18):
Take a listen.

Speaker 4 (01:34:19):
I love the NFL. I love NFL.

Speaker 5 (01:34:22):
Christmas our day.

Speaker 3 (01:34:25):
I love the NFL. But Christmas is our day. What
is your response to that?

Speaker 4 (01:34:33):
Says who?

Speaker 2 (01:34:36):
Well, if I were Lebron, I bet I would.

Speaker 4 (01:34:38):
Be like, says me, the people, because I can tell
you what determines your day.

Speaker 5 (01:34:45):
Yep, the viewers. Now, I'll tell you this. The Lakers
Golden State game probably had a big number number one
the two most iconic players we still have left in

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the game playing against each other.

Speaker 4 (01:35:09):
Because they have a history.

Speaker 5 (01:35:13):
And all the NBA game, all the NFL games were
over with. So you're going to get though, but go
back and check the earlier basketball games.

Speaker 4 (01:35:26):
M see how many people watch the Knicks game? Right?

Speaker 2 (01:35:33):
That next game got four point nine million?

Speaker 4 (01:35:36):
What about after that? Who was after that?

Speaker 2 (01:35:39):
I believe? Then we went to was that Sons and Nuggets?

Speaker 4 (01:35:42):
No, that was the Sons and Nuggets were the late
game after the Sons.

Speaker 3 (01:35:46):
Okay, Sons and Nuggets had three point eight million. You're right,
that's the late window.

Speaker 4 (01:35:51):
Ye.

Speaker 3 (01:35:53):
The Warriors and Lakers, as you mentioned, they had the
biggest number of the games, seven point seven.

Speaker 2 (01:36:01):
And it peaked at eight.

Speaker 8 (01:36:03):
Point three in the fourth quarter as you got the
Curry flurry that came back and tied it and send
it well sent it to the last two seconds that
is until Austin Reeves got the lay in to win it.

Speaker 3 (01:36:17):
The average of the NBA games across the entire day
was five point two I think five point two million
across the entire day and best Christmas Day ratings in

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five years for the NBA.

Speaker 5 (01:36:39):
Well, yeah, because that game alone saved them. But it
was at a time where there were no NFL.

Speaker 4 (01:36:48):
Games on correct, So.

Speaker 5 (01:36:55):
I don't know, man, Like, if there was an NFL
game on during that time, do they pull a eight?

Speaker 3 (01:37:02):
Probably not, almost, definitely not. I mean, here's the real
you can add all those NBA numbers together. Let's see
seven plus four plus four and then whatever average five
point two across five games, so that equals somewhere in
the neighborhood of twenty five. Yep, yep, that's exactly what

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each NFL game got on its own.

Speaker 2 (01:37:30):
On a streaming service.

Speaker 5 (01:37:32):
So ask yourself, who really owns Christmas?

Speaker 2 (01:37:39):
Wow?

Speaker 3 (01:37:40):
I would just say this, The NFL owns any day
that it plays period.

Speaker 4 (01:37:45):
Yeah. That was on a Wednesday, on a Wednesday, and so.

Speaker 2 (01:37:52):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:37:54):
It's a rap. It's a rap. The NFL will Yeah,
the NFL is gonna play every day of the week.

Speaker 5 (01:38:04):
I they don't care who they who they are.

Speaker 2 (01:38:08):
They'll be a leapier in there.

Speaker 3 (01:38:09):
But the next four years of our lives, Christmas is
going to be like on a Thursday and a Saturday
and a Sunday and a Monday.

Speaker 2 (01:38:16):
Ye, bye bye NBA.

Speaker 3 (01:38:18):
It's going to get even worse because I would argue
that as it moves over the weekend, if I'm the NFL,
why would I stop at two games?

Speaker 2 (01:38:27):
Why would I do that?

Speaker 5 (01:38:29):
Oh, once it gets back to Saturday, Yeah, it's gonna
be four games.

Speaker 3 (01:38:33):
That's of course, and it should be and and good lord,
you know, and I know when they play when it
when Christmas is on a Sunday, they move the whole
day to Saturday. But they'll they'll save three games. They'll
save three for Christmas on Sunday. I mean, yeah, it's funny,

(01:38:54):
Like I'm I'm look, you know you and I are
both NBA fans. I'm happy that the NBA had the
ratings on Christmas Day that essentially erased all the losses
that they've had up until this point.

Speaker 4 (01:39:08):
Yeah, because it's been awful.

Speaker 3 (01:39:10):
It's been awful, and this even some things out for
the NBA. And that's great, But I'm sorry, Christmas is
not your day. Your chain got took.

Speaker 2 (01:39:23):
De bo.

Speaker 5 (01:39:24):
I'm just gonna tuck mine in. That's what Lebron basically said.
I'm just gonna tuck mine in. Yeah, it's gonna get snatched,
got snatched.

Speaker 3 (01:39:35):
And by the way, this is the part that no
one will bring up. That headline game is still the
two ratings drivers in the NBA and one of them
is forty and the other one is about to turn
thirty seven, and both teams are kind of, eh, a

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little above average, and that.

Speaker 2 (01:40:03):
Ain't good because where where's this going next? They can't
leave like the NBA is moving into the.

Speaker 3 (01:40:10):
Tiger Woods conversation of like, what the hell are we
gonna do when these guys are gone?

Speaker 4 (01:40:20):
Yeah, that's gonna be pretty.

Speaker 3 (01:40:24):
Like who's driving ratings in three years on Christmas? When
when Christmas is on a Sunday?

Speaker 2 (01:40:31):
Whoo? Who in the NBA is.

Speaker 3 (01:40:33):
Like tune in is gonna be Jalen Brunson against Joe
been Street.

Speaker 2 (01:40:41):
Yeah, exactly like from tune in. And Giannis is getting old.
We won't be able to watch him much longer.

Speaker 4 (01:40:53):
Man, they got a serious issue.

Speaker 3 (01:40:58):
So you know me, I'm not a Lebron hater. I
love both these players. I love that they gave each
other big old bear hug before the game. I thought
it was a great game. It was a great basketball game,
super entertaining. You get the whole Curry thing at the
end you're tied with two seconds to go. Like it
had everything, It had everything, and it added up to

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less than a third of a Texans game at ten
in the morning, West Coast.

Speaker 2 (01:41:29):
I mean, but it's but it's your day.

Speaker 5 (01:41:33):
That's the reality of it. And just because you say it,
don't make it.

Speaker 3 (01:41:38):
So if you want something to go up against the NFL.
To me, there's one thing, and one thing only.

Speaker 4 (01:41:47):
Oh I know what this is. Oh we Steve Disager.

Speaker 2 (01:41:50):
That's it. That's it. That's what I would try.

Speaker 6 (01:41:54):
IM not sure I would watch that. By the way,
the man the five Chris NBA games are the five
most watched NBA games of this season because they all
surpassed what Opening Night got this year. So the NBA season,
the ratings were down eighteen percent nationally going into Christmas.

Speaker 4 (01:42:12):
Now they're down just four percent.

Speaker 6 (01:42:15):
Can we say though, this huge asterisk on all of
this where the NBA says, hey, first time in five
years that, well all of your games were on ABC.

Speaker 4 (01:42:24):
That'll only happen once.

Speaker 6 (01:42:26):
Ever, it's used to be some on cable, some on
a normal channel. So yeah, ratings are going to be
up a little bit just because of that, and I
looked up future Christmas Day, So like next year Christmas
is gonna be on a Thursday, and the year after
on a Friday. By the time we get to twenty
twenty eight, it's not gonna be on a Sunday.

Speaker 2 (01:42:44):
It's it's a leap here, leap here.

Speaker 6 (01:42:46):
It's gonna skip to Monday, December twenty fifth. There's not
a Christmas Sunday coming in our near future.

Speaker 2 (01:42:52):
Just for the perfect perfect.

Speaker 6 (01:42:55):
There'say Saturday in twenty twenty seven, a Christmas Monday in
twenty twenty eight. We do have one week left next
weekend in the NFL. Can I just say again out loud,
if they don't pick Minnesota at Detroit for next Sunday night,
I'm a bit surprised what that's gonna decide the division.

Speaker 4 (01:43:14):
And the number. You know that's gotta be the game.

Speaker 6 (01:43:17):
Detroit still has to play tomorrow night at San Francisco.
If the Lions win that, they'll be fourteen and two.
For the moment, everything is to be flex. There's not
a start time for a single game. We don't know
who's playing on Saturday. We don't yet officially know who's
next Sunday Night anything but right now in Sunday Night Football,
the Falcons are holding on to a lead at Washington

(01:43:38):
seventeen to fourteen. Atlanta cannot clinch its division title tonight
because Tampa Bay already won easily today. Washington, though, at
ten and five, can clinch a playoff berth with a
win or a tie, and they've just taken the lead.
Touchdown Commanders Chris Rodriguez two yard TD and extra point
will make it twenty one seventeen over the Falcons. Earlier

(01:43:59):
Jayden Dan Mules with his second touchdown pass of the night.
It was a ten yard of to zach Ertz. In fact,
that was a great drive to open the second half
for Washington in your eight minute drive fifteen plays, sixty
nine yards. Falcons had led at halftime because Bjohn Robinson
he had two one yard touchdown runs. He still has
eighty three yards rushing now on fourteen carries for the night. Again,

(01:44:20):
an extra point will make it twenty one seventeen. Washington
is in the lead. Minnesota won its ninth game in
a row, beat Green Bay twenty seven to twenty five.
It was twenty seven to ten with six and a
half minutes left Miami is still alive for the last
playoff berth in the AFC after winning at Cleveland twenty
to three. The Giants ended a ten game losing streak

(01:44:41):
beating Indianapolis forty five thirty three. The Colts are eliminated
from the chase wins for the Raiders and Jaguars. Tampa
Bay's win was forty eight fourteen over Carolina. Baker Mayfield
five touchdown passes three hundred and fifty nine yards. Buffalo
clinched a two seed in the AFC beating the Jets
forty to fourteen. More on in a moment, Philadelphia clinch

(01:45:02):
the NFC East title with a win over Dallas forty
one to seven. Saquon Barkley now over two thousand yards
rushing this year. He had thirty one carries one hundred
and sixty seven yards. In the NBA, Oklahoma City won
its eleventh straight game, beating up Memphis one thirty to
one oh six. The Lake contest has Minnesota had seventy

(01:45:23):
one sixty eight on the Spurs. Late in the third,
the Lakers traded D'Angelo Russell to the Nets and HL
wins for Montreal and Anaheim, and among the Lake games
two minutes to go. Ottawa leads at Minnesota two to one.
And you guys have heard of a thing called QBR.
There is the passer rating in the NFL, which is separate,
but the four letter came up with a thing ten

(01:45:44):
fifteen years ago called QBR. We're on a zero to
one hundred scale. Their formula could rate how good a quarterback,
how good a game he had. For example, Toron Taylor
of the Jets was great off the bench today his
QBR was ninety six. The starting quarterback for the Jets
today not quite as good. Aaron Rodgers, still stuck on

(01:46:06):
four hundred and ninety nine career touchdown passes, did not
throw one today. He did have two interceptions, one safety,
He was sacked four times. He was twelve of eighteen
for only one hundred twelve yards, and they were down
forty to zhering at Buffalo mid fourth quarter. Aaron Rodgers
QBR was one.

Speaker 4 (01:46:24):
Oh my god, this can't be real.

Speaker 6 (01:46:28):
Specifically, it was one point two for his efforts today.
Apparently in their QBR database they have almost ten thousand
games since they invented this debt, specifically nine thousand and
six ninety seven. This Aaron Rodgers game today would rank
as number nine thousand and six seventy seven since they
invented the QBR stet A one one point two.

Speaker 3 (01:46:52):
Back to you, well, and to give somebody a frame
of reference, Daniel Jones QBR cumulative for the season this
year forty seven point three, So he's forty seven times
better than what Aaron was today.

Speaker 2 (01:47:07):
So there's that.

Speaker 3 (01:47:09):
By the way, Steve, since you're so smart and on it,
I feel comfortable asking no, no, no, no, But you mentioned
that Lions Vikings game and it needs to be flexed right,
correct me if I'm wrong. No matter what the Lions
do tomorrow night, the same thing holds true for the followers.

Speaker 6 (01:47:25):
Is there going to be head to head? Some people
are saying, why don't the Ryans the Lions just rest,
people like the Chase might be doing next weekend?

Speaker 3 (01:47:31):
Right, Well, I mean a fair question, right, Ephraim, Seeing
as you're saying that, boy, those weeks of rest are
so incredibly important. Should the Lions create a bye week
going into that game against Minnesota?

Speaker 4 (01:47:49):
Yes, they're already the walking wounded.

Speaker 5 (01:47:54):
If this game doesn't mean anything, then I would most
definitely take that approach.

Speaker 3 (01:48:04):
Take a Listen to what Dan Campbell said earlier this
week when he was asked about that possible scenario.

Speaker 9 (01:48:10):
I'll make this easy for everybody. That way, all the
critics can jump out and start attacking. But that way
you don't have to debate him anymore. We're bringing everything
we got to this game and we were playing and
I don't care what it looks like and where it's
at or who's this, who's that. We're going out to
play and win this game out on the West Coast.

Speaker 2 (01:48:29):
So there you go.

Speaker 3 (01:48:33):
So, so he's going to handle this game the same
way he handles fourth down.

Speaker 5 (01:48:38):
Basically, was there any doubt? No, this is I'm telling
you this. I knew what the type of coach Dan
Campbell was three years ago when he gave up the
first pick picking the draft to win a game against Jacksonville.

Speaker 4 (01:48:58):
For the first pick in the.

Speaker 5 (01:49:02):
When they clearly had a guy that they wanted that
Jacksonville could have just taken.

Speaker 4 (01:49:09):
I knew.

Speaker 5 (01:49:10):
I'm like, oh, oh, he's playing checkers, not chess. He's
a checkers player, meaning you get do you look at
the board, you get what you get? Oh that's a
triple jump. I'm gonna do the triple jump. All right,
Chess takes a little bit of planning, strategic movements. You

(01:49:33):
have to think three four moves ahead. Checkers is like,
oh okay, I'm just gonna jump this and jump that
and king me and all of that. That's that's Dan
Kimpbell's is a great checker player. Well, in the playoffs,
you need to be able to play chess. That's my opinion.

Speaker 3 (01:49:55):
Yeah, listen, I hear you, and and I'm I'm pretty
sure I might be wrong on this, but I'm pretty
sure that no matter what the Vikings had done today,
that was still going to be the case. That this game,
as it turns out, tomorrow night doesn't matter and next
week does. That is pure and simple. Such a good game.

(01:50:23):
It's going to be such a good game. But you know,
we'll see what happens. I mean, you've got to get
through the forty nine Ers game with relative health. And
I understand why, Like there's all this emotional stuff. It's
a homecoming for Jared Goff, it's the scene of the
crime last year.

Speaker 2 (01:50:42):
They want to shake that free.

Speaker 3 (01:50:44):
At the same time, I'd argue, you're not like, you
go beat the hell out of the Niners.

Speaker 2 (01:50:50):
Tomorrow night. And that does not erase like.

Speaker 3 (01:50:53):
Even a tiny bit of last year because these are
both different teams number one and number two. You still
didn't go to the Super Bowl. So like, I don't
know how that helps. I love the mentality. I understand
where he's coming from. But here we are again in

(01:51:14):
the like play the scenarios out what happens if somebody
does get hurt?

Speaker 2 (01:51:22):
Jamier a Monra Jared.

Speaker 3 (01:51:25):
What are we doing the conversation then, yeah, we're gonna
bite a kneecap.

Speaker 2 (01:51:31):
Well, your kneecap is the one that got.

Speaker 4 (01:51:35):
We don't worry about that. We just play next man
up Checkers.

Speaker 3 (01:51:39):
Yeah, yeah, next man up. That's some blue collar football
around there, man, I tell you what, I tell you what?
All right with e from Salama Mark Wellard coming up
one last thing on the NBA, and it might have
been one of the most salacious things I've seen happen
in the NBA of late, and we need to talk

(01:52:01):
it out. We're also coming down the stretch in the
fourth quarter of this very entertaining Commander's Falcons game. We'll
get you set with all of it coming up on
Fox Sports Radio. All right, y'all, plank and span your
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Speaker 2 (01:52:16):
Studios, Mark willard E from Salam.

Speaker 3 (01:52:19):
The Commander's up four and in the red zone, threatening
for more inside of seven minutes to go in this
football game.

Speaker 2 (01:52:29):
And in fact, they're going to get a.

Speaker 3 (01:52:30):
First down, first and goal down inside the five on
a pass from Daniels to Bates and so Washington's trying
to punch it in and make it a two score game.

Speaker 2 (01:52:41):
We will keep you up to date on how that
drive ends.

Speaker 3 (01:52:45):
Also, Jayden Daniels has broken Robert Griffin iid's NFL record
for rushing yards by a QB as a rookie.

Speaker 2 (01:52:54):
How about that.

Speaker 5 (01:52:55):
That's pretty great about that? That's impressive. RG three is
something special, man, for that. You know that injury for.

Speaker 3 (01:53:04):
Sure, and I know it's still kind of a kind
of touchy subject. RG three and running the ball in
the Washington uniform.

Speaker 5 (01:53:15):
Yeah, but this this they did it right. The Commander's
got it right. They they Yeah, they won the draft.

Speaker 3 (01:53:26):
I agree, I agree, and they are six minutes away
from a playoff spot because of it.

Speaker 4 (01:53:32):
Man, that is that is spectacular.

Speaker 2 (01:53:36):
You remember our I know you do.

Speaker 3 (01:53:38):
You remember our conversations about Washington in August.

Speaker 4 (01:53:41):
Yes, I was. I've told you that. This was my peak.
I and I.

Speaker 3 (01:53:46):
The only thing I said was I love everything they're doing.
It feels like they might be a year away. And
you could take that to mean whatever you want, Like
I don't think they're going to go to the super Bowl,
but h and they're not going to win the division,
but you know, here we are, and they're gonna be
a factor in the NFC for a long time now.

Speaker 5 (01:54:06):
And I think they're going to be so dangerous. You know,
granted they get into the playoffs, man, you're gonna be
hard pressed two. I mean you would you want to

(01:54:26):
play them?

Speaker 3 (01:54:27):
No? No, I don't want to see Jayden Daniels. Come
if I'm if I'm one of these, you know, no,
tell him what he's gonna do right.

Speaker 4 (01:54:35):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:54:37):
I mean, you know, like right now, they stand to
be the five seed, which means you're pro I mean,
you may see these two teams again.

Speaker 2 (01:54:48):
Right now. They're going to go on the road to
either Tampa or Atlanta, and they.

Speaker 4 (01:54:52):
Will be favored, Oh my goodness.

Speaker 3 (01:54:54):
They they will be favored, and and then you may
see them right after that. That could be Detroit or
Minnesota's first opponent.

Speaker 5 (01:55:05):
You don't you don't want, yeah, because you don't want
somebody with that level of talent and with that little
inhibitions like they don't he don't. They don't know. I'm
supposed to be.

Speaker 4 (01:55:19):
A good right right, right right.

Speaker 5 (01:55:21):
They don't know what they're doing. It is a big deal,
like they just playing. He just I remember being a
rookie and going to the Super Bowl. I was just like,
this is just what it is.

Speaker 2 (01:55:33):
It's like what we do.

Speaker 4 (01:55:35):
Like it To me, it wasn't.

Speaker 5 (01:55:39):
It wasn't like, oh my god, we were just we
were winning and it just was normal. Eleven games in
a row, all the way up to the Super Bowl.

Speaker 2 (01:55:50):
It's no stress.

Speaker 3 (01:55:51):
It's no no, there's no like, there's no that view
of like, oh my god, this might be my last
shot or or what does this mean the grand sort
of sense of things, there's none of that.

Speaker 5 (01:56:02):
I would imagine. Ignorance is bliss. Yeh, that's what it was.
Ignorance is bliss. And you know, you you strap talent
on top of that, then you got a whole different
ball game.

Speaker 4 (01:56:22):
This kid is electric. He's electric. Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:56:29):
Absolutely, They'll face a third and goal from just about
the two and a half yard line. We'll keep you
up to date on that. I wanted to ask you
this real quick. I don't know if we've had this
conversation before Heyl. Should players and coaches be allowed after
NBA games to go just towards the refs or speak
freely at least without getting fined?

Speaker 4 (01:56:51):
No?

Speaker 5 (01:56:52):
Why because it sets the precedent, and you don't want that,
because now there's got to be some type of like it,
and it can be blatant, it can be as bad
as that or whatever that is. You don't want because
it'll be that every single night, everything, every single night,
which calls into question caliber of refs, everything else, everything else,

(01:57:15):
And you don't want that.

Speaker 4 (01:57:17):
You really don't. Seriously, that's not something you want. Touchdown.

Speaker 3 (01:57:21):
Touchdown is gonna get called back though holding Yep, there's
a holding penalty on Washington and that has defined the night.
This actually would be a blowout if it were not
for all of the penalties on Washington. But Jade and
Daniels with a beautiful touchdown throw is gonna get called
back and they're gonna.

Speaker 2 (01:57:36):
Have to try it again from the twelve yard line.

Speaker 4 (01:57:42):
Does that make sense?

Speaker 5 (01:57:43):
What I'm saying, like, you don't want after every game, Yes,
every person, every coach talking about the coaches will never
agree with all the calls.

Speaker 2 (01:57:53):
Of course, and so yes, I'm with you. But here's
what I also wish.

Speaker 3 (01:57:57):
I wish there were a little bit more space and
room to kind of speak freely on it. Not the
way that Anthony Edwards did this week because he just
got fined one hundred thousand dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:58:15):
But I get it, because.

Speaker 3 (01:58:16):
It was a rant where you're like, oh, he got personal.
He started naming you know, he's like, not the female
ref but the other two. It's a joke, and it
was profanity laced and it was name calling, and it
was just he absolutely let it rip.

Speaker 2 (01:58:34):
And when it comes to that, it's like I get it,
I get it. You can't, you know, you can't let
that be the norm.

Speaker 3 (01:58:42):
I do sometimes wish though, that at a press conference,
when done with any sort of grace and maturity, if
you could just say, hey, like I really didn't like
what I saw there on that call or from the refs,
like I don't think that kind of stuff should be fined.

Speaker 5 (01:59:01):
Yeah, but then now you're opening for interpretation. What was
that great. Right, let's just not do it. You can't
do it, can't.

Speaker 3 (01:59:11):
Do it, can't You're right, you can't. It's entertaining when
they do, and so I wish for there to be
a little bit more of it. But but not like that.
That was one hell of a rant. Hey Man loved
it again. Twenty twenty four was great. Let's rock twenty
twenty five. Happy new year to you on the other side, brother,

(01:59:33):
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