Fox Football Sunday: Mike Harmon, Bucky Brooks, & Andy Furman talk College Football Playoffs, NFL Week 18, and So Much More!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Greetings and welcome in Final Showdowns Week eighteen. If you're
a National Football League season is upon us. Two games
in the book, a lot of handwringing, crying into beers
and folks forgetting that losing eight games sometimes does.

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New Year.

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I think it's the last day we actually get to
say that before people can hit you with uh, you know, butter.

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Or soap in socks. As part of full.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
Metal jacket like initiation by guys Andy Furman Bucky Brooks
with me as always, gentlemen, Welcome to week eighteen.

Speaker 3 (00:58):
How are we doing this? Fine morning?

Speaker 1 (01:00):
Really?

Speaker 4 (01:01):
Life is good.

Speaker 3 (01:02):
My life is good. Bucky, you get over there?

Speaker 2 (01:07):
He quit on me. Did I get loud enough? We
got Mark and Shay making us sound so pretty this morning.
As we get ready, we had the two games yesterday
Cleveland Baltimore. That's the undercard, even though it meant the
AFC North getting it done. Cincinnati Pittsburgh in one of
those games, that becomes a wow, Pittsburgh did that again

(01:30):
kind of thing. As I was driving in, I did
hear a little bit of the conversation about Saquan and
the record. So I want to do that before we
do a pole question. Why aren't we talking about the
fact that Dickerson needed two more games than oj Simpson
because the rule had been changed six years prior.

Speaker 5 (01:46):
Why is it baseball is quick to put asterisk next
to everything and the National Football League is what as
a record? You know, when I was growing up, they
played twelve, fourteen game seasons. Now they's sixteen seventeen games.
They're gonna go to eighteen. The benchmark is still one
thousand yards. Well, if you do it at twelve games,
like Jimmy Brown did it, that's a big deal. You
do one thousand yards of seventeen games, you know, not bad,

(02:09):
but still is that what jim Brown did?

Speaker 6 (02:10):
No?

Speaker 2 (02:11):
It is funny because Troy Aikman made it very clear
he was not impressed with Najie Harris's fourth straight thousand
yard seasons, even though he's the first guy to do
it since Chris Johnson did it years ago.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
Man, So while.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
It's not like it's not a grand mark, right, we're
talking fewer than sixty rushing yards per game. The fact
that you still rush the ball enough and haven't siphoned
off a bunch of those to a second or third
running back or I don't know, the quarterback who rushes
for nine hundred yards.

Speaker 3 (02:41):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
There's still something to it, a little bit of longevity
and durability, kind of like your streak ear on Fox
Football Sundays, Andy Verman.

Speaker 4 (02:47):
Yeah, great, I will say this.

Speaker 5 (02:49):
I got one stuff further, not only count the number
of games played, but count how many times you carry
the football. You know, if Dickerson did it, then an
x amount of carries as opposed to Sakuon Barkley did
it in more or less. That has something to do
with it too. You know, everybody's so statistically inclined nowadays,
but they don't do it with those records. I don't
get it. I mean they talk about how many wins

(03:10):
you get on a Sunday, how many wins you get
at night. How many wins you get on a Tuesday, Wednesday,
whatever it may be, under the lights, on the road,
at home, whatever, lefty quarterback? Right, but why not tell
me how many times you rushed the football, how many
times you had, how many carries you had?

Speaker 4 (03:24):
Right?

Speaker 2 (03:24):
At that point, Dickerson had thirty four more carries than Barkley, right, right,
And I love my guy, Eric Dickerson. He was instrumental
to the early part of the Jason Smith Show with
Mike Harmon here on Fox Sports Radio because he did
his famous rant against Jeff Fisher and all things wrong
with the Rams, including several dump button messages with us

(03:45):
an evening. I prompted him a couple of times that
just off, he went, I No, I love.

Speaker 5 (03:50):
What he said to the report about a week or
so ago when the record was kind of like in
doubt and it would say kunger to play or not
against the Giants today at the last game of the year,
and the reporters said to Erica, well, you know, records
are made to be broken, and Eric Dickerson went crazy,
Wait a minute, how many records do you have?

Speaker 4 (04:07):
No, how many records do you have? I mean, what
are you records? That make to be broken. This is
my record.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
I want it.

Speaker 4 (04:11):
I want to keep it. Good for you.

Speaker 1 (04:13):
I love it.

Speaker 4 (04:13):
He's honest.

Speaker 5 (04:15):
Too many athletes, so many people in general. You want
to say what's politically correct? Eric Dickinson, I love you.
You said what everybody really wanted you to say. Your record,
Keep it.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
I like the pettiness and I like the fact that
he's trying to protect his dollars too.

Speaker 3 (04:29):
Yeah, right, buddy.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
I mean that's part of it is the guy's been
doing the inscriptions for fifty to seventy five bucks a
pop of you know, a single season rushing champ for
forty years. That's a lot of money. Why Pete Rose
was pissed off all those years? Look about all those
Hall of Fame inscriptions.

Speaker 7 (04:46):
He didn't get to do well one thing annoying ed
four a long time. He loves the attention that he's
always gotten. He loves me in a Hall of Famer.
He loves being the record holder.

Speaker 1 (04:56):
It means a lot.

Speaker 7 (04:57):
And I think we should appreciate his transparency when it
comes to that. Sure, because regardless of how you obtained
the record, regardless of whether you want to say, oh
what that was fourteen games versus sixteen games versus seventeen games.
At the end of the day, the general public doesn't
really care. As long as you're the record holder. They
always refer to you as the record holder. And if

(05:17):
you want to put the fine print or the legal
lees at the bottom of it, so be it. But
I don't think Vickerson cares, and I can appreciate the
fact He's like, no, I want to continue to be
the record holder. I don't want anyone else to do it.
I know you would like me to be like, no,
records are meant to be broken.

Speaker 1 (05:34):
He's like, no, not at all.

Speaker 3 (05:38):
It's part of the identity.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
And I think Saquan even in his comments Andy Bucky
was you know, he referenced, Hey, what his dad had
to say about it.

Speaker 3 (05:46):
Right, it's a family name that is now in the
record books.

Speaker 4 (05:49):
I would say they.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
Don't care about those. I mean, nobody acknowledges Barry Bonds.
He's the outlier in all of this.

Speaker 5 (05:55):
Right, I want to expanded what Bucky says the public
doesn't care. I'll go on stuff further. Bucky say the
public doesn't care about records. I say the public doesn't
know the public doesn't know because you're talking about the
young the young fan right now, maybe soever the age
of eighteen to twenty five, they don't probably even remember
when the NFL played twelve fourteen game seasons. They don't
know because when they hear a record they say, oh,

(06:17):
that's great. You know, then you have to go I
pull the curtain back a little bit and say, wait,
oh wow, I didn't know. I didn't know they played
twelve fourteen games when Jimmy Brown was playing and he
got a thousand yards.

Speaker 4 (06:28):
They don't know.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
No, they don't know.

Speaker 7 (06:31):
I mean, anytime you have guys seeing their version of
the gold Is Paul George and basketball, that's all you
need to know about their level of like sports history
and those things. They only know what they've seen or
what they've been told. They don't go back and really
dig down deep when it comes to it. That's why

(06:51):
it really doesn't matter. I mean, you know, the facts are,
the facts are whatever they are when it comes to
who's the all time great when it comes to like
rushing totals and touchdowns and that stuff, because no.

Speaker 1 (07:03):
One will go back and check the history anamals and.

Speaker 5 (07:05):
Just I've always believed that people who get the high
microphone to do sports talk radio, should have to take
some sort of a quiz before they get on the air.
Of course, say, look, I hear people who are tough
of it. They're so called not rushmore of sports or basketball.
And you know what, they always leave Wilt Chamberlain's name off.

Speaker 4 (07:22):
They're wide. They probably never either heard of them or
saw him play real.

Speaker 3 (07:26):
Some of it though, Andy.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
I mean it's perspective in time and down and distance,
Wilt and Russell to a lesser extent kind of get
left behind, as does Cab Kareem Abdul Jabbar, not often
in those conversations because we look at seven footers differently,
especially but especially when you go back to Wilt and
looking at the competition he was playing against in terms

(07:48):
of his size advantage and that differential like that comes
into play right right, But for.

Speaker 5 (07:54):
The longest time, if you have to ask, you pull
ten people on the street, say who's the old time
leading scorer in the NBA, they would say MJ.

Speaker 4 (08:01):
They wouldn't say it was Kareem. It was Kareem for
the longest time.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
But I mean, look at the all time seasons, like
baseball is also a mutant sport and that we actually
knew those numbers, right. It was like ingrained in US.
How many home runs did Willie Mays hit? How many
home runs did Hank Aaron hit? How many home runs?
Like we all knew that, Like that was we all
knew the back of the baseball card with the I
don't know, because baseball hit differently.

Speaker 3 (08:25):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
Maybe it was me growing up in Chicago that I
was rushing home. I hated the Cubs, but damn it,
I was gonna watch live baseball during the afternoon because
it was on WGN. Well, I I'm a little younger
than that. My mom loved Ron Santo. Yes, that was
always the guy in the house, no question about it.

(08:46):
And they screwed that guy because they put him in
the Hall of Fame after he died. But that that's
a whole other problem with the induction process. But you
go to the all time rushing leader in the National
Football League, does anybody know a lot of young guys
wouldn't know who it is, and it sure as hell
don't know what the yardage is, right right?

Speaker 3 (09:04):
Emmitt Smith at.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
Eighteen three point fifty five, the last of which was
earned as a member of the Arizona Cardinals. Crazy, right,
So and then after that you got Peyton we Go.
I mean Frank Gore's third Would anybody know that off
the top of their head.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
No, Frank Gore third, all.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
Try sixteen thousand career yards. Wow, four point three yards
per carry, which is actually zero point one yard per
carry more than Emmett Smith working behind those road graders
back in the day.

Speaker 5 (09:34):
I may be saying something really crazy right now, but
I think with the advent of gambling and gambling has
really kind of came into the forefront in sports in
general that has pushed the old time records in the
back seat because people and will concern what have you
done for me lately? Because I want to know when
your stats on now so I can make a wager

(09:54):
on it and killed on the all time records.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
But to all of that, Andy, I mean, it is
a twenty four hour news cycle. We benefit from it
and we love it here in our jobs. Hi, everybody,
welcome to Fox Sports Radio. And what the hottest latest
feedback is. I mean, you could do podcast stuff. Smith
and I did one for a season on some of
the great teams and background of what was going on

(10:17):
in culture. You can go back and find that special teams.
That's wherever you download the podcast and whatever. But we're
worried about today, right and what are we doing this
this year and what this season is And the only
historical context that folks can get really wrapped up in
is how do they compare to the guys that we've watched,

(10:38):
And that's where it would be great. So now it's
time for you, know, you to build your your stump speeches.
We'll get you some snowshoes so you can walk the
and tell the people in the town square. There, Andy
is that you get out of the house and you
can talk about that history. That's key, it is important.
I agree with you one hundred percent. It's a lost art.

(10:59):
That's why I wish Barkley was playing today because you
know what, we'd probably see more montages of what Dickerson
did as a player, more goggles, more Jerry Curl, you
do what I did there?

Speaker 1 (11:10):
I even brought that up, more respects.

Speaker 3 (11:13):
I do love exactly.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
She was my favorite. It was my favorite.

Speaker 7 (11:16):
It's all I ever wanted to do was to have
a pair of rexpecs and to wear a cowboy collar that.

Speaker 1 (11:22):
Allowed me to Why did you tell me that a
month ago?

Speaker 2 (11:24):
I would have got you out for Chris. Hey, it's
never too late. You could give the gift. Just forgive it.
Valentine's Day is coming. We'll be together year.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
I loved it. I used to love it. It was
my favorite. I used to love it, love it, love it.

Speaker 3 (11:39):
Now he's one of my favorites.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
You get him lathered up on a little bit of
a conversation, he tells it straight. I mean, it's one
of the things we love about him. He does a
lot of work with our flagship here in Los Angeles
five to seventy LA Sports with our guys Rogan Rodney Pete,
and they do football Mondays and they go through the games.
And when he doesn't like what he's seen from one

(12:02):
of the local teams or go to the national perspective,
guess what, no mincing of words from Eric Dickerson about
what he's seeing on the field, which is fantastic.

Speaker 3 (12:11):
Which is why I want to bring this topic to you.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
I put it up on Twitter at Swollen Dome, find
Andy at Andy Furman FSR. Find Bucky at Bucky Brooks.
If I forced you to, you hadn't have another choice.
There's no secret option for there's no all right, I'll
roll it up in the draft. I'm gonna take somebody else.
You got to pick from one of the three veteran quarterbacks.
We watched Russell Wilson last night play like a rookie

(12:33):
in the final two minutes of a game. Yes, he
was beset by drops. And George Pickens looks like he'd
rather be anywhere else than a football field. Right now,
You've got Kirk Cousins deposed in Atlanta after a rough month,
still coming back off an injury. But Michael Pennix Junior
is the guy to finish off the season and he
will be the guy in the future.

Speaker 3 (12:53):
So those two or the.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
Enigmatic, the guy with his own Netflix documentary, if you
have to take one of those three next year.

Speaker 3 (13:03):
That's when I heard that audible gasp. That was it
right there.

Speaker 4 (13:07):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
Those are your choices, and you gotta make good in
twenty twenty five as a coach GM and City Bucky Brooks,
where are you going out of that trio?

Speaker 1 (13:19):
Okay? So I'm gonna take the lesser of all evils,
and I'm gonna go here with Russell. I'm gonna go with.

Speaker 7 (13:24):
Russell Wilson of that, because at least I'm gonna have
a pleasant experience if I'm a coach, like he's gonna
say all the right stuff, and.

Speaker 1 (13:32):
He may be like.

Speaker 7 (13:35):
Like Johnny Appleseed when it comes to his positivity and
all that other stuff.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
But I can deal with him.

Speaker 7 (13:42):
I can't deal with Aaron Rodgers and all the conspiracy theories.
And Kirk Cousins is.

Speaker 1 (13:47):
Just injured, and I don't know if you ever get
back to being what he was. Am I up?

Speaker 3 (13:53):
Yeah, you're up? I mean what you want to talk
a little more about Brick Johnson while we're at it.
Video game ratings come trade evaluations.

Speaker 4 (14:02):
This is a combination of like who I really don't want?

Speaker 2 (14:05):
Really, well, that's kind of it, right, and they look
like we do this in all walks of life. And
that's as far as I'm taking that sentence.

Speaker 5 (14:12):
Well, that's fine, because you know I talked to Bucky
at length about this. By Aaron Rodgers, not only is
he a problem, he's a bad teammate.

Speaker 4 (14:21):
I don't want him.

Speaker 5 (14:21):
I don't want anything to do with him. I don't
want to hear him, I don't want to see him.
I hope this is his last game today when he
leaves the Jets. I mean he starts talking last week
about he may want to go back to Green Bay.
You think they want him? Really, So forget Aaron Rodgers.
I mean, he's gonna be in the Hall of Fame,
I get it first ballot. But he's not a good
teammate and he's an egotistical idiot. I don't want him.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
Okay, as far as there's my Aaron Dickerson take of
the morning right there, boom.

Speaker 5 (14:46):
Right last night, Russell Wilson finished the game one hundred
and forty eight yards. I mean, where was George Pickens?
I mean, you got a guy there when come out? Really,
so I want Kirk Cousins. I think Kirk Cousins is
not going to hurt you. He may not help you
that much. I think that a healthy Kurt Cousins. And
sometimes you know as well as I do, Buck, sometimes
it takes like another year, a year after the injury

(15:07):
to recover and it'll do well next year.

Speaker 4 (15:09):
I think he's still got some guests in the tank.

Speaker 1 (15:14):
Yeah, I don't know. Man, he was so bad. He
was really bad for the foul because when he had
his chance.

Speaker 5 (15:20):
I mean bad had a good stretch of five games
too early on. He was hot for five games.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
He did, but that seems like twenty twenty two season.
Look at where we.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
We've taken the blows and get to week eighteen. Man,
it was so bad that you had empty seats in
Pittsburgh in a uh you know, basically a playoff game.

Speaker 3 (15:41):
Oh it's too cold, that's why, come on, get some handwarmers.
I'll send him out.

Speaker 7 (15:46):
Yeah, it has something to do with that, but not like,
oh this this is the thing, and I'll say this,
and I blame Tom Brady for it because Tom Brady
sport us in and really tricked us into thinking that
you could have an elite quarterback late thirties, early forties,
and it's a young person's game, like you see with
all of those guys. You even saw Russell Wilson who

(16:08):
thought he was much younger than he was when he
took off at the end.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
Of the game, messing up the clock management.

Speaker 3 (16:13):
That was one of the dumbest things.

Speaker 1 (16:14):
I think. It takes off, he takes off and he's like, oh,
I can't make it to the sideline. I'm not fat.

Speaker 3 (16:21):
He didn't he didn't get it, so I jacked up.
I mean they were still doing that segment on ESPN.
He would have liked that, got it.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
Yeah, like just just all bad.

Speaker 5 (16:34):
You guys brought that up because certainly, you know, I'm
gonna go back to the history lesson we talked about
early on. You talk about Tom Brady, He's not the
first Elder Statesman to play quarterback because I remember Ya
Tiddle with the Giants, Charlie Connley with the Giants, Frin
talking to his no kid when he played for Minnesota.
Did he win the Well, it doesn't make a difference
you winning well.

Speaker 3 (16:55):
But I mean you can play late, but you still
got to win it all. I mean Warren Moon played late.
There were a lot of guys that played late.

Speaker 1 (17:02):
Yeah, can you make the winning plays? Can you do
all the stuff that you need to do.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
I mean I can't include Peyton Manning because they basically
carried his ass across the finish line. But but it
still counts all the same, uh, in terms of getting
to your title and to your point. And yeah, I
mean guys played pretty well statistically, but you know, we're
talking about wins and losses, and that's something where the
you get, you get spoiled with the Brady thing. I
think that's where you're kind of going with it more

(17:27):
more than just being available. Bucky is just the all
right Brett and he had a half year with the
Jets before his arm fell off.

Speaker 7 (17:36):
Then his arm fell off, and then you remember very
far with the Minnesota Vikings to lay turnovers.

Speaker 3 (17:41):
In the UH passing.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
Yeah, great, yeah, all all of that stuff matters. Man,
when you're older and you don't.

Speaker 7 (17:50):
Like getting hit because it hurts more. Yeah, it's hard.
It's hard to get.

Speaker 4 (17:57):
Earl marle.

Speaker 1 (17:59):
I like that.

Speaker 3 (18:00):
But now we're opening, we're going history last who else
you got it?

Speaker 1 (18:04):
This was great? Yeah, you can talk about Johnny United
with the Chargers.

Speaker 3 (18:09):
There, George coming over the Margo one.

Speaker 1 (18:15):
There you go, Sunny Billy Kilmer. You want to throw
him into too, like who else?

Speaker 7 (18:21):
You know?

Speaker 2 (18:21):
It's funny though, guys, Like in my other life, when
I'm not behind the microphone.

Speaker 3 (18:25):
Is a look.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
I still dabble in the trading card business, and there's
some sets that are just better than others. In two
thousand and eight, Upper Deck put out a couple of sets.
They did a baseball set and they did a football set,
and it had all.

Speaker 3 (18:37):
These great moments to commemorate, like just giant plays in baseball.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
History or or in football history. And then you had
your your rookie cards or whatever. Right, so two thousand
and eight was Joe Flacco, Chris Johnson, all of those.
But they did the y a tittle on the knees
looking defeated older with the blood in his face. Yeah, exactly.
They did a painting of Norwood's wide right, like they
had the tuck rule. They had the tuck rule, and

(19:05):
so you've got the close up of Brady and the
ball coming out. Like they commemorated all of these big moments,
most of which are not positive for the home fans,
for one fan base or the other, but like it
just it just reminds me of just the greatness and
the history of the game that, Yeah, I wish we
were better, and football's gotten better at it. I mean,

(19:27):
baseball will always be king.

Speaker 3 (19:29):
The NBA.

Speaker 2 (19:30):
They they don't do a great job of promoting their
own product now, let alone their history at this point,
so much infighting and slap fighting about what they do
and talking about the game. But I thought it was
interesting go from the Dickerson and the record into the
veteran quarterbacks as it you guys would just rather if
I gave you a secret option for you would just

(19:52):
punt the ball.

Speaker 3 (19:54):
Is really what it comes down to. Punt check and
on onward we move.

Speaker 2 (19:59):
As we continue, we still have a couple of games
to pick, including that big Sunday Night finale.

Speaker 3 (20:04):
Which will feature the voice of Paul Allen.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
I'm sure we'll get a couple of highlights into the
system when it's all said and done. Here on Fox
Sports Radio, find Andy and Andy Furman FSR. Find Bucky
at Bucky Brooks. Find me over at Swollendome. We continue
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ready to pick a couple of games?

Speaker 4 (21:14):
Of course?

Speaker 3 (21:14):
All right, good, So, since we did a little bit
of Aaron Rodgers love unless we didn't, Dolphin said, check.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
How about we start right there with the game that
still has meaning Dolphin's still alive. Narrow one point favorites
New York. Thirty eight and a half is the total.
It will be a Snoop Huntley performance. Here to a
tongue of I logan to miss his sixth game here
eight Cham has been struggling in the run game. He

(21:41):
had that one hundred and twenty yard game against San Francisco.
Otherwise he's under fifty rushing yards in his last five games.

Speaker 3 (21:49):
Surrounding that effort.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
Has been active in the passing game though, the scoring
offense obviously from Miami sputtering with No two and no consistency.
Tyreek Hill Alen Waddle's been on the shelf all of that.
On the other side, we got the New York Football Jets.
The put me out of my misery. I'm interviewing Ron
Rivera and Rex Ryan just to spite you. Okay, maybe

(22:11):
you can learn some things from them along the way.
But for Aaron Rodgers going down in a blaze of glory?
Can we play the John Bon Jovie song in the
background for him? Fellas Andy, what do you think?

Speaker 5 (22:21):
Well, I'll tell you what. There's a couple of storylines
in this game. Number one, I hope to goodness is
the last game I love to see Aaron Rodgers hebby
walks into the sunset or his cave.

Speaker 3 (22:29):
Is it just because of his playing or I mean,
because not his attitude.

Speaker 5 (22:33):
He's a great player, he was a great player, but
his attitude and Bucky has made it obvious to me.
And I needed to hear from a player, and Bucky
told me he's not a good teammate.

Speaker 3 (22:43):
He's just not Look at what Garrett Wilson is at
this point, all right, and.

Speaker 5 (22:46):
Then then I hear a story about Tua's not playing today,
but he didn't come out the other day and said, well,
if we make the playoffs, I'll play.

Speaker 3 (22:52):
Really, you know, he said the doctors wouldn't clear him.
He said, he feels fine.

Speaker 1 (22:57):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (22:57):
This is the Dofvels will qualify if they win in
the Bronco lose today, but the Miami Dolphins reckon an
AFC game six and five. That's one better than Denver,
so we'll see what they need to win this game. However,
I hope they lose.

Speaker 3 (23:08):
Carson Wentz is gonna win that game, though, isn't he?

Speaker 4 (23:11):
Well, well, I'm a Bengal fan. I hope the Dolphins lose.

Speaker 3 (23:14):
There you go, Fucky, what do you think?

Speaker 2 (23:17):
It's one of Hey, we're in the last throws of
our two seventy two, so we got to celebrate them.

Speaker 1 (23:22):
All. Yeah, let's go. Let's go to Dolphins.

Speaker 7 (23:24):
Trying to figure out a way to get it done
too is not playing Snoop only did okay and Flashes.

Speaker 1 (23:29):
Let's just go to Dolphins.

Speaker 3 (23:30):
There you go, adding to chaos, Chargers said Raiders. Chargers.

Speaker 2 (23:35):
Raiders, Chargers still remember what kind of hurting they got
put on them last year when they traveled to Las
Vegas their four point favorites forty one and a half,
still playing for the opportunity to go to the planet
Houston instead of their other opportunities. There you go, Superman two,
old NERD reference for me, another movie you can add
to your list of things you should be watching as

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you go through six and a half for seven is
the number on this one as we look at in
forty one and a half, So not expecting a scoring fest,
but we've seen the Raiders still playing hard. Whether Antonio
Pierce gets to stick around or not remains to be seen.
But between Abdullah and certainly Brock Bauers has been fantastic
this season, winners of two straight. As you go for

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the Chargers, still the best scoring defense in the game,
just giving up seventeen point six points per game.

Speaker 3 (24:27):
JK.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
Dobbins was back to run things and win again for
the five Seeds, still of great import.

Speaker 3 (24:34):
Bucke. We start with you do the Raiders rally around
Antonio and.

Speaker 7 (24:44):
A AP has n't played hard, and so APU give
him a chance. I just don't know if they have
enough talent to do it, so I'm gonna go to
other way. I love AP and what he's done for
the Raiders. I think they lose to Day though.

Speaker 5 (24:55):
Mm hm oh okay, I think the question of the
game is not going to lose. Kind of keep it close.
I mean, you got Aiden O'Connell. I mean, the only
thing that got going for them besides AP is a
tight end. Brock Bauers. I mean, he's a great player,
and it's a shame that a guy like that is
on a team like that he's on. But you know,
here's the question. Also, you talk about the MVP. We
talked about that. Obviously he's a quarterback Award and the

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conversation is obviously Lamar Jackson, se Kwon Barkley, he probably
won't get it. Josh Allen, maybe Joe Burrow maybe we
mentioned maybe a conversation wise, he won't get it. Baker Mayfield.
But I will tell you some other guys that should
be in the conversation if you could have a list.

Speaker 4 (25:32):
JK. Dobbins. JK.

Speaker 5 (25:34):
Dobbinson's last two games they running back for the Charges.
He's average over seven yards a game and thirteen yards
of game in the last two games for the Chargers.
So I think the Chargers win. They were a better team.
They're going to rally around obviously for AP but they're
just not that good of a team.

Speaker 4 (25:47):
That's the problem.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
I will say it is exciting to see JK. Dobbins
actually being able to play in meaningful games. Remember he
was most to be the next great guy in Baltimore
to pair with Lamar Jackson, just couldn't stay healthy. Eventually,
from one Harbor Brother to the other. Because that's what
happens if the Chargers lose this one and fall down
to the sick, hey, we get the Horror Bowl once again.

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The other is it's it's funny because you got Alt
and then you've got Rock Bowers, and then we had
the conversation Chargers. They had decided very upfront because it
gets me to bring the Jaguars into this that it
was Alt or Brian Thomas Junior were the two picks
that they were deciding through. But all of that to say,

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it does get my Woe is Me bears into the
mix because Brock Bowers would have looked really good. They're
not that Caleb Williams or that offense has ever decided
to throw the ball to Cole Comet, who's been very
loud and vocal. It reminds me of Greg Olsen actually
when he was leaving Chicago and heading to Carolina. A
lot of the same kind of complaints about organizational instability

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and problems.

Speaker 5 (26:54):
But we'll get what would you wish somebody wanted to
go to Chicago? I mean, guys like the Kiss of Death.

Speaker 2 (26:59):
Well, and that's that's part of the conversations. You know,
for a long time that was Cincinnati two. So you
hold your tongue over there.

Speaker 5 (27:07):
It should But what they should do, they should do
like they doing in soccer. Either the worst team goes
down and not wow put them in the Canadian Football League.

Speaker 4 (27:18):
Relegation.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
Yes, I mean they've been a train wreck and plenty
of content for us fellas, but I mean they're not
the worst team and maybe one of the worst organizations.

Speaker 3 (27:27):
Right, we can put them on the metal stand. That's
why I don't think for a minute if I'm.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
Ben Jonnson, I'm walking anywhere near that job unless I'm
assured this guy's out, that guy's out. Ryan Pole's empty
suit can still hang in the closet there, but otherwise
I'm done, you know, And to.

Speaker 5 (27:42):
Get rid of the term tank game because Bucky and
I went through that before. But okay, we don't think
players and to a team's tank because there's too many
players right now that want to get there.

Speaker 3 (27:51):
You just say on the on the field. Yeah right, okay,
So what you need to do.

Speaker 5 (27:55):
The two teams are the two worst records, have a
bowl game I call it the Toilet and have a
sponsored by sound of Flush or something like that, and
the winner gets the draft pick way after the Super Bowl,
have the Toilet Bowl.

Speaker 2 (28:07):
We do have ads for the squatty party that run
did he got that little lot of support for you.

Speaker 1 (28:13):
A little squatty potty.

Speaker 3 (28:14):
I don't know. Game two seventy three, This one's for
number one. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (28:18):
I think what people would rather watch the Toilet Bowl
than the Pro Bowl? I really do.

Speaker 5 (28:22):
The Pro Bowl is a joke. So the week after
the Super Bowl, have the two worst teams play. I
call it the Toilet Bowl, and the winner gets the
first draft pick.

Speaker 3 (28:31):
Of course, I immediately want to go, how many people
watch the Pro Bowl again? In twenty twenty four?

Speaker 1 (28:35):
A bunchy.

Speaker 4 (28:39):
TV's in Vegas are on heavy duty.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
That's what it is.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
And then we're a desperate lot for our football. Knowing
it goes away, there's no question about all right, let's
get to another game. Seahawks and rare operation shut down
on the side of McVeigh. Seattle six and a half
or seven point favorite Geno Smith in line to earn
an extra six million dollars in con tracked incentives another win.

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One hundred and eighty five yards completion percentage, he's got
to be over sixty eight zero point five percent, So
you know what, this is another movie to put on
your list people, rounders, check check check. Zach Charbona should
see nine hundred touches as a receiver out of the backfield.
I got my touches, I got my completion percentage. But

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for the Rams, the opportunity to win the third seed
and Jimmy Jimmy Garoppolo back under center again, Seattle heavy
favorites in this one. This is the curiosity. Though we've
watched the turnovers over the course of the year. You've
got Seattle minus seven in that column, the Rams plus seven.

(29:42):
And as I heard you guys saying on the way in,
remember you can't sit everybody, Andy, you go first.

Speaker 4 (29:47):
Okay with Pete Carroll when you need it.

Speaker 5 (29:50):
Really, Seahawks may have ten wins to going nowhere, they
have no chance for the playoffs. Every little Well, Pete
Carroll says he wants to get back in coaching.

Speaker 3 (29:56):
He does.

Speaker 4 (29:56):
Yeah, let him coast to Jets. Really, why not? He
deserves to.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
He's already done there before.

Speaker 5 (30:01):
Yeah, he was the coast the Jets. Well Rich Ryan
did too, So let's let's beat Carroll goes to Jets.

Speaker 1 (30:06):
Now.

Speaker 5 (30:06):
As far as Gino Smit's concern, I hope he gets
the bunny the bonus because he'll get himself a new jaw,
the one that was broken. He get a new joke,
get a little plastic surgery, get a good job this time.

Speaker 1 (30:16):
Wow, look at that?

Speaker 4 (30:18):
Yeah, all right, he went there. I know I did.

Speaker 5 (30:21):
Seattle's gonna win this one half w ten commit ten
wins and not going to the playoffs.

Speaker 4 (30:27):
Something's wrong with that picture.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
Time. Something's wrong with that picture for sure.

Speaker 4 (30:34):
Several years ago, remember when that losing record and went
to the playoffs.

Speaker 3 (30:38):
That's right, that's the way that the cookie crumbles. As
they said, nuts, Uh.

Speaker 1 (30:43):
Let's go rams ram it all day, yeah, rams all night.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
Did you ever hear the Elton John version did El
John did a version hanging out with Ryan Seacrest when
the Rams were coming to l A.

Speaker 3 (30:58):
Uh yeah, brilliant, nice and don't know how to rabbit
with a great piano backing. It was great.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
Really, Ryan Seacress was positively bewildered. I used to see
him sleeping in his room over here when he was
doing his fourteen jobs back in the day when he came.
He well, but now he's on a private jet and
they built a studio that's on the jets, so he
doesn't he doesn't need to, you know, come hang down
the hallway by me, keep an eye on.

Speaker 5 (31:26):
I will say this like I kind of like feeling
Wheel of Fortune. I think he's doing a pretty good
job and Wheel of Fortune, you know, I kind of
tune in.

Speaker 2 (31:34):
Yeah, I kind of liked acid tongue pat Sayjack in
the final years.

Speaker 3 (31:38):
You know what, he got really salty and angry.

Speaker 4 (31:41):
It was great because he's an old guy, old people.

Speaker 3 (31:43):
He's a cup fan. What do you want?

Speaker 8 (31:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (31:45):
But still, but Ryan's secret relate to the younger people.
I think he's more it's more social, that's what he's
more social, you know.

Speaker 1 (31:53):
I like him.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
He's say Jack Hat just had it with the Acidine
guesses and bad like, this game's been on for forty years,
why aren't we start? Actually, you know what, though, guys,
he's kind of like a lot of a lot of
us when we watch coaches and players. How come we
can't get the final two minutes right even if we've
been coaching for two decades.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
I might was ironic. It is crazy how that works, right,
can't get to coaching right?

Speaker 2 (32:19):
Well, even those veteran guys going back to Russ and
not realizing, hey, I can't get to that Sode line.
It looks right there, not quite so close. That's Bucky
Brooks at Bucky Brooks where you find him. You find
Andy at Andy Furman FSR, Bucky, NFL dot Com, NFL Network,
Foxsports dot Com, Andy writing columns, doing radio spots, promoting

(32:42):
it all in the world of X as I do
shamelessly at Swollen Dome as well, and at Mike Harmon
on Blue Sky, which eventually I will actually post stuff there.

Speaker 3 (32:53):
So load it up.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
It's gonna be great here in twenty twenty five. We
got one more game to go before we wrap up
this hour, and we'll do it next with a story
about how this game comes together with one team calling
dirty pool and complaining to the league office. We'll tell
you what that's about next year on Fox.

Speaker 6 (33:11):
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Speaker 2 (33:25):
It's a radio Fox Football Sunday Live from the tyrac
dot com studios. Mike Harmen alongside Bucky Brooks and Andy Furman.
As we rolled through here on a beautiful morning. It'st
week eighteen of the National Football League season divisional games.
I'll spare you my normal traditional rant about the scheduling, because,
let's face it, a lot of these divisional matchups, you know,

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which are supposed to be really really important, don't mean
a damn thing here in week eighteen, you know, like
the Bears and Packers. Normally, I said to Marcus, you know,
he gets ready to leave us here, fellas, I said,
you get to watch the Bears of the Packers. That
He just stared blankly through me. If I could read
his mind in that moment, I think he now hates me.

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On a whole other level.

Speaker 3 (34:10):
All right, we got one more game, and this one
actually has grand meaning Viking, said Lias.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
All right, So the Lions three point favorites at home
fifty six and a half the total of the last
I saw it had actually gotten up to fifty eight
and a half on Thursday, and the story that I
teas fellas one of the great moments. Minnesota ownership nineteen
hundred tickets bought two million dollars spent and a message

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to their season ticket holders to sell them below the
cost so that they could pack Viking fans into Detroit.
Detroit said hey, hey, not so fast, and the league
said beat it now. They'll probably be a rule change
after this, but there'll be a lot of folks dressed
like Ragnar or Hagar the Horrible tonight in Detroit.

Speaker 1 (35:00):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
You want to talk about history, Look what I did
for you right there, Andy Furman, get very much.

Speaker 3 (35:04):
Whatever percentage got it, got it.

Speaker 5 (35:06):
How many Lunatics are driving from Minneapolis to Detroit anyway?
I don't know what the distance might be, but I
wouldn't do it, really, I mean, would you?

Speaker 3 (35:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (35:15):
I mean you would for this.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
Game, for the number one seed, for all the males
for all of this to potentially make Detroit people cry
in their beers after getting chested for two years.

Speaker 9 (35:27):
Yeah you do, really?

Speaker 1 (35:28):
Yeah, see them, see them crying.

Speaker 4 (35:31):
Look at you haters.

Speaker 1 (35:33):
I can't believe.

Speaker 3 (35:34):
No, no, a lot of this is hate watching Bucky.
We know this isn't it. Yeah, okay, flight, Well.

Speaker 1 (35:46):
The flight is going to be one yeah, one hour.

Speaker 3 (35:49):
It's the one to two.

Speaker 5 (35:50):
Hour flight flying from Minneapolis to Detroit. They got to
rent the car to go to the ball game. Come on, okay,
so red a car, thirty bucks a day, and then
a hotel. You gotta spend the hotel.

Speaker 3 (36:01):
Yeah, you're driving back. You just be a little late
for work. Let's go your boss stand.

Speaker 5 (36:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:06):
Yeah it is. It's a chance. It's a chance to
win it.

Speaker 7 (36:08):
More importantly, it's a chance to do the Gladiator double
thumbs down.

Speaker 3 (36:13):
Yeah, it's a.

Speaker 5 (36:18):
Chance to tell people you were there. You know, that's
the name of the get. People are crazy. They said, oh,
I was at the game.

Speaker 4 (36:24):
I was at the game.

Speaker 5 (36:24):
You know what. I remember there was a game years
ago in Cincinnati. Forgot what it was. It was a
rain delay. I think it was a no hitter. Tom
Brownie may he rest in peace. He puts to no
hither And it was like a rain delay, and like
maybe there were like two thousand people there, but like
years after the game, everybody and their mother said they
were there. That's one of those people to say they're there,
and then that's what's gonna happen tonight in Detroit, I

(36:45):
think it's okay. And for the lead to say, uh uh, hey,
it's all about the green Backs, it's all about the
guelt Sure, they'll take the money, why not buy it?

Speaker 4 (36:53):
Great idea good ownership. Really in Minneapolis, well, I mean.

Speaker 3 (36:55):
The tickets were already sold. Everybody got their part.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
But then if you went to a certain league partner
on the secondary market, they get a second bite at
the apple.

Speaker 5 (37:04):
Well we'll see. I'll be watching. I'll see how many
people are run. But Viking fans.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
I just say this though, Andy, I mean, if you,
if you could do that for your season ticket holders
and given the option, because let's face it, you do
have a percentage of those season ticket holders in every
marketplace that cost is no object.

Speaker 3 (37:19):
Can we talk about it? The lamentation of how many
games can I go to?

Speaker 2 (37:22):
With the expanded college football playoffs, it's like, all right,
pick one, shut up or pay for it, I mean
one or the other, or sitting watching on a big TV.

Speaker 3 (37:32):
Well about that.

Speaker 5 (37:34):
I think it's crazy anyway, because whoever wins this game
was the ANFC North Division at home field advantage, Okay,
and the loser becomes a wildcard.

Speaker 4 (37:41):
Sure, there's something wrong there.

Speaker 5 (37:42):
I mean, really, fourteen wins in a wildcard there's something
crazy there it is, But again, win.

Speaker 4 (37:47):
That's all you gotta do is win.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
Right, It's an aberration right where we have this kind
of dominance because you also have look what the Packers
were able to do over the course of the year,
and you know, you don't get to choose the schedule
as you roll through, right, if you take care of
your division work and they like the Lions and then
you roll through, there you go even with no defense
worse statistically, in a manner matter of it is, they're

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still tied over the course of the NFL season at
twenty point eight points per game allowed, ted for eighth
in terms of total defense, scoring thirty three a game.

Speaker 3 (38:18):
Fellas, he likes the Lions. What do you think, Budgers.

Speaker 7 (38:22):
Yeah, I'm going with the Vikings. Flat the Vikings have
been underrated the entire time this season. They haven't got
the respect that they deserve. Sam Donald's been like the
feel good story. People talk about what eleven twelve games
where he has a passer rate in over one hundred.
That's not the story to me. The story to me
is Brian Floyd's and how he heats of Jared Goff.
You have to understand when you look at the history
of Brian Floyd's versus Jared Goff, he has thrown some

(38:45):
shutouts against Jered Goff.

Speaker 1 (38:46):
I think we see another one.

Speaker 7 (38:48):
We see golf struggle a little bit against the crazy,
wacky defense that the Minnesota.

Speaker 1 (38:54):
Vikings do because they gonna they gonna heat you.

Speaker 7 (38:56):
Up, They're gonna bring pressure on fifty percent of the
downs early. I think it's a hard game for Detroit
look for the Vikings to do it. And I told
you double thumbs down wow, Kevin O'Connell to Dan Campbell
at the end of the game.

Speaker 1 (39:11):
Kennedy's thumbs down in his face.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
So you're saying he's doing more of a Brett Bee
Lama on steroids kind of situation as to what he did.

Speaker 4 (39:19):
When next week, when I see you but I'm gonna
give you a thumb in your face.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
Well, how much does the Lions effort against San Francisco
for inform this one a little bit because that was
a battle. Yeah, more than they thought. And lastly, guys
each really quickly. Ben Johnson did the stumble bum to
mock the Bears. What does he do to Brian Flores?

Speaker 1 (39:38):
Oh, he has to do something.

Speaker 3 (39:42):
He got something and a sewell carry or something again,
it might.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
Be something like this, something big.

Speaker 3 (39:49):
Here you go and he thanks so much.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
Appreciate ing Andy Furman, FSR Bucky and I continue next
do Fox. Hey, welcome in another hour, final week of
the regular season, Week eighteen underway, two games in the books.
We'll take a drive by on those here in a
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Speaker 3 (40:19):
Buying should be.

Speaker 2 (40:20):
Thanks to our guy Andy Furman and to Mark Ramsey,
our technical producer. Last hour, Chris Purfett tags in we'll
get his perspective on tonight's game in a little bit,
and our guy Shay making us sound so pretty this
fine morning. It was his birthday the other day. We've
celebrated that at Nausium. He gets more glug when it's
all said and done, but with me as always my guy.

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Bucky Brooks five years in the league, working over with
the Jaguars coach mentor columnist, Fox Sports.

Speaker 3 (40:48):
Dot com, NFL dot com.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
He's probably got three or four other books in the fire.
He's got his own letterbox campaign of all the movies
he sees, because we did the Golden Globes as bottom
barrel betting earlier, and I've actually seen about half of
those that that shape put up for you guys.

Speaker 3 (41:05):
We go to the movies a lot, my daughters and I.
That's one of our things together. So there you go.

Speaker 2 (41:11):
Although I have had a number of people say Flow
is their favorite movie of the year about the cat,
so there you go. I did go see a cool
new uh animated Lord of the Rings movie in the
theater the other day.

Speaker 3 (41:23):
Oh it's pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (41:25):
That's a lot of stuff you're over there seeing it.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
But I had a couple of days off. You know,
you got to take care of business. We all lean
into some stuff. I watched a bunch of holiday movies,
so I'll have some rankings of holiday movies, including that
Chiefs thing.

Speaker 1 (41:38):
And Die Diehard a holiday movie, of course.

Speaker 2 (41:42):
So as Batman returns, it's Christmas Time with Max, Shrek
and the Penguin. I'm with you getting after it, you know,
I mean all of those things. I celebrate the holidays
because they tell me after today, I kind of got
to shut up about it. We've already stopped playing the
holiday music or whatever. It was like, you know, Elvis
saying about why can't every day be like Christmas? For

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the most parts, people are in a better mood for
those weeks.

Speaker 3 (42:07):
Yeah, not a Pulley, but mostly.

Speaker 1 (42:10):
The holiday cups are gone from my favorite little coffee spot.

Speaker 3 (42:15):
It's terrible.

Speaker 2 (42:15):
Maybe you can find them on discount though, as you
go through Hey, speaking of getting something at a discount.
Russell Wilson, coming off of last night's performance A Boy
that was a tough watch at times on both sides. Right,
you saw the openings drive and touchdown from the bank,
It's like, oh, here we go, let's get a little
bit nuts, you know, like Michael Keaton said in the

(42:37):
nineteen eighty nine Classic Batman, you want to get nuts,
Let's get nuts. But we have a situation where by
Jamar Chase finds the end zone, T Higgins would leave
with the ankle, which is a high ankle sprain, saying,
you know, gutting it out as best he could. You
were missing your top running back, so Khalil Herbert presst
into action. But it really comes down to those final minutes.

(43:01):
Very unlikely still in that game, coming off of the
punt that goes off a foot and recovered, sliding out
of bounds, all of those things to where you still
have a chance. George Pickens, Friarmuth, drop balls left and
right and problems and then Russ in the first half
Bucky was terrible, and then he bookended that with two

(43:24):
of the most inexplicable minutes of football by a veteran
quarterback that I think we've seen. It's not that the
throws are off, it's just the decision making that was
supposed to be why you acquired him.

Speaker 7 (43:37):
Yeah, this is tough, right, And it's tough because I
celebrated Russell Wilson coming on board and they in the
midst of it, right, and everybody goes through these ups
and downs, and part of the roller coaster ride that
the season is. It's unfortunate for the Stellers. They're doing
it at the worst time, right, The worst time for
them is heading into the postseason, head into the playoffs.

(43:59):
And that's and for Russell, Uh, you just wonder, like,
for someone who and I'm a big Russell fan, how
can he make these mistakes right now? Because that is
what he was supposed to be doing for justin fields
like that was part of the reason for making sure
that he was a quarterback as opposed to fields. They

(44:20):
were going to get the benefit of the winning pedigree,
the Super Bowl experience, the playmaking, the smarts, the toughness,
all of that hasn't necessarily give him that.

Speaker 1 (44:28):
But I will say this, Russell was.

Speaker 7 (44:32):
Impacted by the drop seas sure, George Pickens three drops,
Friarmouth gets hand delivered a dime at the end of
the game.

Speaker 1 (44:42):
Drops.

Speaker 7 (44:43):
Yeah, I mean the best fastball that Russell could muster up.
He threw it right there, right through the wickets.

Speaker 2 (44:51):
Now at that point he didn't have any time left,
so it really wouldn't have mattered maybe, but.

Speaker 7 (44:58):
Right, yeah, I do wonder if they would had enough
time to like get it, spike it or whatever, at
least had a chance theater. Yeah, yeah, but so that
but yeah, you look, Russ can't take the sass that
he took, and he can't make the decision that he
made to run instead of just throw it out.

Speaker 1 (45:14):
Of bounds, throw it out of bounds to fight another.

Speaker 2 (45:16):
Day because he also got drilled. So in addition to
losing time off the clock, you can't tell me he
wasn't smart. And going back to that huddle after that
run where he got his world rocked. I mean, he
did have that deep ball to George Pickens. That was
one of those you started to get out of your seat.
You know that Leo Leonardo DiCaprio meme, you know from
Once upon a Time in Hollywood where he starts to

(45:38):
stand up.

Speaker 3 (45:38):
He's smoking. He's like, oh ah, yeah, that's it.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
That that was saying, Oh the deep ball there, it
is because the defender was ten yards behind Pickens and
it fell harmlessly to the ground. But it's like, I
don't think he would have caught it even if he
got a hand on it. The way he was playing
yesterday anyway, Uh so, you know, all the infighting there
is really the other part of this story is that
it was jest dating right, four weeks, loss of four straight,

(46:04):
the struggles that we've seen, and then the back and forth.
Tomlin pulls no punches in his post game. I thought
his halftime talk was kind of interesting, the comments he
had the lease assaulters because he was getting killed for
the decisions in short yardage. Russ couldn't get it, and
then they gave it to Warren and they get stopped. Ultimately,

(46:25):
Cincinnati goes down and gets a field goal. He goes,
if we can't get a yard we deserve to lose
or we don't deserve to win, which is true, I
guess in grand fashion, but it's still the all right,
explain the Arthur Smith play call.

Speaker 3 (46:39):
To go to the jail, and Warren.

Speaker 7 (46:40):
Though, yeah, I don't, man, we have too much time
on our hands as coaches, right, too much, too much time,
too much tinkering.

Speaker 1 (46:49):
He's like, hey, you know this would be kind of cute.
Let's do this instead of like the main thing. The
main thing. It's hard and Daylan Warren has done some
things for them. You just don't think he goes to him,
you know, in those moments.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
Yeah, as much as Najie Harra's got dismissed in the
telecast because we talked about it and alluded to it
a little bit last hour when we talked to a
thousand yard rushers And whether that really has any meaning,
I don't know. If you do it four years in
a row, you're talking about some longevity, some durability to
a degree in an age where we split those carries

(47:24):
up a bunch and we've got quarterbacks that are running
a ton.

Speaker 1 (47:27):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
I don't dismiss it categorically. I know it doesn't have
the same juice that it had when I was a
young kid pulling those thousand yard rushing or receiving cards
out of a pack of tops football. But it's the
same kind of idea.

Speaker 1 (47:41):
Yeah, it doesn't.

Speaker 7 (47:43):
And I think when people do to math, it's like
sixty something yards a game, seventy gam mean, it's not
a lot, but it's the consistency of the moment, and
it just sounds so good when you say like a thousand,
you know, a thousand round number. Yeah, nice, nice, nice
round number. We understood it, We grew up at a
time with that was big for running backs. And even
though it's not the same, I can't let it go.

Speaker 1 (48:06):
I just can't let it go. And I can't I
can't say that a is it's no good if you
don't get it anymore.

Speaker 3 (48:13):
But I think Bucky to that point, and this maybe
it's my old head thinking and my love of three
yards and a cloud of dust, the fierce defense of
Matt Suey blocking for Walter Payton and all of those
things back in the day, and him lowering his head
which he'd be penalized and find like nobody's business today

(48:34):
in the National Football League.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
But that's not where we're at. We only had fourteen
guys coming into today that hit a thousand yards. Yeah, right,
Top ten still makes you leave, Yes, I mean you're
looking at the number nine runner is Chewba Hubbard. He's
not gonna play at eleven ninety four, and then James
Connor's ninth at just under eleven hundred yards. Mean, and

(48:58):
if running the football and controlling the line of scrimmage
is what I've been, It's been preached to me forever.
You got to win in the trenches, and I believe
that firmly. You'll never convince me otherwise. A guy rushing
for a thousand yards still has value, still has meaning.

Speaker 1 (49:13):
Yeah, I think so. I think it still has value.
You still want to.

Speaker 7 (49:21):
Respect and appreciate people that have the consistency, because that's
that's also what it speaks to, right, It.

Speaker 1 (49:26):
Speaks to your ability to show up each and every
week for your team. And if you get that, you
want people to be rewarded for that. So I can
I can respect that part of it.

Speaker 7 (49:38):
And look, man, it's not what it was yester year,
but it certainly is accomplishment that we should celebrate and appreciate.

Speaker 2 (49:47):
It gets dismissed out of hand, and and maybe maybe
too easily, and maybe I'm just an old head that
can't let it go. We were talking about some of
the classic Elder Statesmen still playing football.

Speaker 3 (49:58):
Last hour.

Speaker 2 (49:59):
You can get the bod. It'll go up after the
show's over. Wherever you get your fine podcast, download it,
give it five stars, rate it, We'll love you forever.
You want to give the extra early twenty twenty five gifts,
make sure to evangelize your friends and family. We'll definitely
appreciate it. But it's the uncomfortable conversation that we seem
to have every year, and it's the Steelers. And this

(50:21):
goes to I guess the lunatic fringe as they've been described,
you know, related to Ryan Day and other folks. But
it comes back to Mike Domalin and the Steelers again.
I mean, there's no I have no confidence that they
go and win a playoff game, no matter who they play.

Speaker 3 (50:35):
So you know, how long do we do?

Speaker 2 (50:37):
We just keep resetting it to where it's the same
same old story. Hey, a nice story. For a couple
of weeks, they win eight or nine games and then
they go home unceremoniously. Yeah, oh this is crazy and
I love Mike t right, But what we got that's

(50:57):
crazy there?

Speaker 1 (50:57):
Bucky, Yeah, no, is it is crazy.

Speaker 7 (51:00):
It's oh can Dorsey getting fired before the final game.
I just saw I come across like wow, oh okay.

Speaker 1 (51:11):
That's it.

Speaker 3 (51:12):
I just like that, that excited utterance, like, what do
we got?

Speaker 1 (51:17):
Yeah? So that that's bananas.

Speaker 7 (51:18):
Here here's what I say about Mike Tomlin, because there
is a bit of a love hate relationship with Mike
Tomlin in Pittsburgh. Because you have people that sit on
the side of the fence, like, look at the consistency,
the whatever, no losing seasons, the number of playoff appearances
in those things. And then you have the guys who
said he's lost his last five playoff games in a row.
He's three and eight, gosh like, after the fantastic start

(51:44):
that he had, and they just I won't say they underachieved,
they're just kind of stuck. Right, You're not quite great,
You're you're good, but how how often you can be
satisfied with being good? It's very similar. And we've used
this team a lot. It's the Atlanta Braves thing when

(52:07):
we grew up in the nineties. Sure the Braves win
the division all the time, but they have one World
Series title to show for all of their consistency and
their greatness. And if you're a fan, is that a disappointment?
Are you happy always being in the conversation?

Speaker 2 (52:24):
I mean out here in Los Angeles put the dodge
with it, right, same thing before last year's title and
now expectations of so many more, but same idea. Right,
you dominate, you got Hall of famers, you got all
of these big things, and what do you got to
show for it? Miami's got two, right, the Marlins went
their two World Series and then divest of everything. So yeah,

(52:46):
it's just that curiosity of what's going to make you happy. Right,
would you rather have expectations that get dashed or just
know you're playing meaningful football in December?

Speaker 7 (53:00):
Take I try and take a realistic view, like, you
can't win it all the time, so you always want
to be in the conversation.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
But in being in the conversation, you're gonna deal with
a lot of heartbreak. Sure, you know if you're always
in it, but you never it's rare that you win it.

Speaker 7 (53:15):
It's a lot of heartbreak associating that because you always think, man,
if we could have just if we just do this,
if we just do that. The Stealers, they aren't going
to fire Mike Tommin because he just I think he
just signed an extension. He has some more years on
the thing and there despite to the contract. There are
a lot of people that would take that, right. There
are a lot of bad teams that would take not

(53:37):
having losing seasons. Uh no, being in the conversation like, hey,
you know what, he might not we might not win
it all, but we at least are.

Speaker 1 (53:48):
Always going to be in the thing.

Speaker 7 (53:50):
There's something too that where stillers have higher expectations, their
standards are different.

Speaker 2 (53:54):
Yeah, the old rule thumb of like what am I
going into the marketplace and finding right? Because I mean,
look what the Jets are doing right now, and Rex
Robin and Rob.

Speaker 1 (54:03):
Rivera like you don't like to you don't like to recycle?

Speaker 2 (54:07):
Oh no, I'm entertained by watching it because Smith with me,
I mean, come on, this is great.

Speaker 6 (54:13):
Oh.

Speaker 7 (54:13):
I can only imagine what he's saying. And hey, guys,
I think I think we down to our final two.
I think Ron Rivera they're there. They're the final list
for the jobs. Get excited, Jets fans. You know what's
coming to our town.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
Yeah, I mean, if nothing else, I mean, like we
talk about the Steelers, we have to talk about the
Rooney rules. So that's satisfied, So that part of the
process as we go in is done. Uh. He also
was in an organization that went through a lot of change.
Maybe there's a learning or two, uh that you can
glean from those conversations. So I don't just miss it
off hand, like you know, just completely. I wouldn't hire him,

(54:52):
but i'd certainly listen to him. Likewise, Rex, come on
in and entertain me for a while. Entertained old brick
over here, go play some video games with the Steelers.
What do you do with Russell Wilson? Is he coming back?

Speaker 1 (55:06):
So here's where it goes? Or right? Right?

Speaker 7 (55:10):
So you made the move for Russell Wilson thinking that
you're betting on the floor, right, higher floor than Justin Fields.
But now there's a part of me that's like, man
would have been better if they just kept trudging along
with Justin Fields, because at least Justin Fields gives you
some juice with the legs, you know, like if if
he's not Russell, it's not gonna be able to throw

(55:31):
it great, I don't get to running.

Speaker 1 (55:36):
I don't know.

Speaker 7 (55:36):
So I think you probably bring him back because who
else is gonna want him? I think it's probably easy
for you to make that happen.

Speaker 1 (55:45):
Yeah, it's just now you're not excited about it.

Speaker 2 (55:47):
See, I just took all the wind out of your sails.
You just got I got sad Bucky Brooks. There was
a sign sad Bucky Brooks.

Speaker 1 (55:55):
Yeah, because you're just like, I don't know what are
we gonna do that?

Speaker 2 (56:01):
But just remember how happy everybody was with the moon
Ball with him and George Pickens, and now they hated.

Speaker 3 (56:06):
It was great and now they hate each other.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
It was great too, it wasn't How much would you
give pickens performance of uh well, lack of effort, yesterd Man, he.

Speaker 1 (56:19):
Doesn't, he doesn't, he doesn't give it.

Speaker 7 (56:21):
And there there's something there's something, man, there's something in
the water down there that doesn't.

Speaker 1 (56:26):
Allow wide receivers. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they just they just
have some weirdo stuff.

Speaker 3 (56:33):
Some salty stuff. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:35):
Eventually Tom Lit'll write a book about it all. It'll
be the most fascinating thing that we then turn into
a TV movie at Bucky Brooks where you find him
on Twitter, find me over at Swollendme. You mentioned it before,
Brown's making some noise after getting thumped by the Ravens yesterday.
Is that the end of the changes. We'll talk about
it and look it back into Week eighteen coming up
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Speaker 3 (57:24):
They'll talk some college football.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
Playoffs, bowl season Week eighteen, some reviews of good, bad Ugly,
some tales from Vegas from Bill. All of that coming
up here in about thirty five minutes as Bucky and
I sign off today. Bucky, you had the excited utterance
over the Browns and the oustring of their offensive line
coach and coordinator Ken Dorsey. He's fired after one year, Stefanski.

(57:52):
We heard rumors earlier this year. Speculation got of maybe
the lunatic fringe, maybe not the raining coach the year
potentially getting ousted as well. Look, five quarterbacks last year,
four quarterbacks this year. You're still beholden to the contract
you gave to Shaun Watson. You're gonna blame Ken.

Speaker 3 (58:13):
Dorsey for that.

Speaker 1 (58:16):
Yeah, that is a tough one.

Speaker 3 (58:19):
You're not looking at.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
Your roster and what you've assembled the fact that Nick
Chubb was available for what about seven games where he
was one hundred percent.

Speaker 7 (58:29):
Man, it's so crazy when you think about it, right,
And it's so crazy like when you like when we
go to Cleveland, we think about the number of people
that are gonna lose their job because Deshaun Watson doesn't
work out for them.

Speaker 1 (58:42):
It's gonna be bananas, right.

Speaker 7 (58:43):
Ken Dorsey's is brought over to upgrade this offense, to
simplify the offense and make it where the quarterback can thrive,
and no one's been able to do it. The shot
wasn't has been the same player since we last saw
him in Houston.

Speaker 3 (58:58):
Well before he did the operation shutdown.

Speaker 1 (59:00):
For a year's that's it.

Speaker 7 (59:03):
He has not been the same. And look, they can
recycle coaches or whatever. At the end of the day, man,
it's the player. It's the player, the players keeping him
from doing what they need to do.

Speaker 3 (59:15):
Yeah, Jerome Ford five point four yards per carry?

Speaker 1 (59:18):
Great?

Speaker 2 (59:19):
You know he with Nick Chubb over the course of
the year, they ran pretty well. I mean Chubb obviously
diminished a bit coming off the injury. He was fewer
than four yards per carry. Jerry Judy had himself a
nice little run, probably made himself on some money and
a future in the league. He's over twelve hundred yards
on the year, had a quiet game, six for sixty two.

(59:41):
But yeah, and you're running out Bailey's happy, and it
all goes to you should have matched whatever Indianapolis wanted
to give Joe Flaco.

Speaker 7 (59:50):
I mean, that's kind of it, right, But it didn't
go around because what it did is it look it
threadned the quarterback. Yeah, it threadned Wason having him in
the building because he out played Watson in that offense.

Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
At some point, man, they're gonna have to have a
hard look.

Speaker 7 (01:00:05):
They have to make a hard decision and determined if
he's going to do, if he's the guy or not.
And there's nothing that he has done suggests that he
is the guy.

Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
You know, completed sixty three percent of his pass attempts
this year, five point three yards average, five touchdowns, three
interceptions in seven games before he was shut down. You're
just watching it is he's not even available to be bad,
and he's terrible when he's on the field, and then

(01:00:35):
most of the time you can't even get an evaluation
because he's off it and you're so hamstruck.

Speaker 7 (01:00:41):
Blaming and you blame you, blaming it on everybody else.
And what it also does is when you do that, right,
the entire team is looking at how you treat him.

Speaker 1 (01:00:51):
Well, look at Miles Garrett, everybody else, Yeah, right.

Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
Look at Miles Garrett and all his public quotes about well,
we got to evaluate, we got to see what's going on,
and you know, he can only take care of what
he does on the defensive side. And they were plucky, right,
they show showed some heart yesterday against Baltimore early, just
overmatched when it's all said and done. But you've got
a guy who's widely regarded as one of the best

(01:01:17):
defensive players we've seen in what the last twenty five years,
and he's just raising his hands, going, I don't even
know what to do anymore. It's a bad spot to
be in.

Speaker 3 (01:01:29):
It is a very vast fut And if Stefanski be
let go, like say, he walks the plank out of
this coaching cycle, like, what are you getting to come
in and replace him?

Speaker 7 (01:01:39):
They all wants that job and you've seen them, Yeah,
you've seen them cycle through so many different guys. It's
gonna be a tough thing. He's gonna have to take
it back and just say, you know what, I'm putting
it on me. I'm putting it on me. I'm gonna
go back to being the play call it. I try
to do it. I tried to hand it off. You
know who's the best person to call the offense?

Speaker 1 (01:01:57):
Me?

Speaker 7 (01:01:57):
If we're playing the video game, I can't hover over
your shoulder Harmon to say, hey man, won't you call
this player?

Speaker 1 (01:02:03):
Whatever? You know what I'm gonna do.

Speaker 7 (01:02:03):
I'm gonna take the sticks and I'm gonna figure out
how to get it done. That's what Kevin Stefanski needs
to do.

Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
He's got the headset, go back in head coach hanging
out in the coach's box up top.

Speaker 3 (01:02:13):
How about that a whole other thing.

Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
He's got a proxy, a robot with a an iPad
standing in for him on the sideline.

Speaker 3 (01:02:21):
He's Bucky Brooks at Buggy.

Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
Brooks where you find him RIDOMANFL dot com, Foxsports dot
Com and every Sunday morning here with us on Fox
Sports Radio Andy Furman and Andy Furman FSRS where you
find him coming up next, because we've got a guy
he covers the Lions extensively proud of Detroit. Our guy
Chris Purfett will tag him in as we talk about
the big Sunday night game. But first we go over

(01:02:44):
to the update desk. A man who's got his hair
finally to him. He's shaved. He's ready for a big
week eighteen. As the Chargers head over to Las Vegas. Yeah,
he'll be on it as they try to go to
the planet Houston instead of setting up another Hord Bowl.

Speaker 3 (01:03:01):
It's Isaac Low and gron who day.

Speaker 9 (01:03:04):
How about them Bengals My new favorite team.

Speaker 3 (01:03:08):
There you go.

Speaker 4 (01:03:09):
Way to go guys.

Speaker 1 (01:03:11):
Oh wait a.

Speaker 9 (01:03:12):
Minute, I'm supposed to be objective. Oops. Ah, Yes, we
will get to we will get to the ramifications, all
the ramifications of the Bengals victory. Where we have developing
news in the NFL already This morning has multiple outlets
reported that the Cleveland Browns have fired offensive coordinator Ken
Dorsey after one season. Browns losing at Baltimore yesterday thirty

(01:03:36):
five to ten to finish the year three and fourteen. Indeed,
on the field on Saturday night, the Cincinnati Bengals did
stay alive with a nineteen seventeen win at Pittsburgh the Bengals,
who closed the regular season on a five game winning streak,
can make the playoffs if the Broncos and Dolphins both
lose today. The Steelers lost meanwhile, means that the Chargers

(01:03:57):
can clinch the five seed with a win today at
Las Vegas. The Steelers, who closed the regular season on
a four game losing streak, would then finish as the
six seed and visit Baltimore in the wildcard round. Finally fellows.
The Kansas City Chiefs charter flight yesterday to Denver for
today's game against the Denver Broncos was delayed four hours

(01:04:19):
when an ice storm shut down Kansas City International Airport.
Despite the four hour delay, Chiefs arrived in Denver at
a pretty reasonable hour six pm Mountain time last night,
and among the reactions on social media as this flight
delay was going on, at Chiefs Hive posted an AI

(01:04:42):
image of a referee shoveling snow on an airport runway
with the caption quote, shout out to the refs again
coming to the Chief's aid. And then Jimmy posting quote,
refs just called illegal procedure on the weather and gave
the Chiefs a fourfeit win unquote Forfeit was spelled wrong, but.

Speaker 4 (01:05:04):
You get the idea. Back to you, guys, for fit.

Speaker 3 (01:05:07):
Like you're running a gym.

Speaker 2 (01:05:09):
Thanks Eilo and Izaglow and Crown keep up with him
and all of the the goings on as we get
ready for a big weekend here Week eighteen of your
NFL season, Denver ten and a half point favorites with
Kansas City coming to town, but obviously a lot of
eyeballs and dollars being spent and talking about and getting

(01:05:30):
ready for Minnesota and Detroit tonight the finale Bucky at
Bucky Brooks where you find him find me over at Swellando.
We were talking about this a little bit last hour.
We tag in Chris Purfett at Chris Burfett Priud of
Detroit where he does his work.

Speaker 3 (01:05:45):
I brought this story up last hour. Chris wanted to
get your first.

Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
Blush on it, Okay, Ziggi Wilf and Company buying nearly
two thousand tickets and sending a note to their season
ticket holders offering them an opportunity to buy at a
lower price point of many for as low as two
hundred dollars to try to get some Minnesota influence into ford.

Speaker 8 (01:06:06):
Field, So I'm curious how the NFL sees this moving forward.
But besides that, I've also seen some of those fans
who bought those tickets immediately turned and put those on
resale market as well, So I know what they want,
and I believe a lot of these will be focused
around the Vikings bench and that's what they want. But yeah,

(01:06:26):
it's ford Field has become notorious this year as far
as an element that has created a lot of false starts.
The Vikings have pride much like Lions fans do about
getting some fans on the road, but you know, there's
there's been this kind of back and forth about how
many will be available. I'm curious how much the NFL
lets teams kind of do this where they buy tickets,

(01:06:48):
But you know, for now, if if the Vikings do that,
it probably opens the floodgate. So a lot of other
teams putting down money for big games like this to
get their fans in the door.

Speaker 2 (01:06:58):
I gotta dig that just and may look if I'm
if my ownership group that the Bears don't spend money
on anything, so they're sure as hell not going to
go buy two million dollars tickets if a game had
any meaning in Week eighteen, they play the Packers today
and the secondary market flooded with availability there as the
Packers are a double digit favorite. Bucky, I mean, you know,

(01:07:20):
from a fan perspective, I mean is this has got
to be one of those things to win win over
if you're an ownership group. Man, come on, not only
can I potentially profit and pay off my Christmas debt,
but if I really wanted to go to the game
that they're offering me an opportunity to go into hostile
territory and and try to create some sort of advantage.

Speaker 3 (01:07:40):
I think it's a win.

Speaker 1 (01:07:42):
Yeah, No, I think it is a win.

Speaker 7 (01:07:44):
It is a win for the Wolves to kind of
create opportunities for Viking fans got to be there and attendance.

Speaker 1 (01:07:51):
I told you, man, look like we love you, then
we hate you, then we love you.

Speaker 7 (01:07:55):
And what went to be the lovable losers and the
Lions to now the bullies who kind of pummeled everybody,
run scores up on people, They run trick plays like
it's a flag.

Speaker 1 (01:08:07):
Football game, playing razzle dazzle.

Speaker 7 (01:08:10):
They've now become a little villainous and so ziggy, and
the Vikings and they kind of want to bring some
of that back and they would love nothing more. The
teams love than to go in somebody else's.

Speaker 1 (01:08:22):
House and win.

Speaker 7 (01:08:24):
Yeah, and if you can do it with some of
your fans at the end celebrating. I told you when
I'm giving the analogy about the double thumbs down and Gladiator,
there is some of that they want to put back
in Dan Campbell's face because as much as we love
the manly, macho culture that he's created, maybe people are
growing tired of the act.

Speaker 8 (01:08:45):
Well, I will say the Lions do embrace it. There
is what the general manager. General manager Brad Holmes is
always where it has been for multiple years now, wearing
the villain shirt.

Speaker 1 (01:08:58):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:08:58):
But we've talked about it the city with bad Boy
Pistons boy.

Speaker 2 (01:09:02):
Yeah, but everything goes through its cycles, right, Remember how
much we fell in love with the Warriors for about
eighteen months and now a decade later, everybody's still saying
they ruined basketball. Right now, They're the worst thing to
ever happen to the NBA. As we talk about where
the games evolved for the Lions, it's fascinating theater to

(01:09:23):
me as to you know, an organization that finds it shift.
Remember Dan Campbell getting mocked coming out of his initial
press conference. But I really hope the NFL is not
going to do anything here. But I really hope that
they don't going forward the fact that this becomes a
publicized story, but I think you should encourage it.

Speaker 8 (01:09:42):
I'm just curious how far it goes for certain places,
Like if suddenly we turn around next year we have
Lions Cowboys or something and the Lions buy up like
a ton of tickets and embarrass the Cowboys with how
many Lions fans are in Dallas, which they're all, We're.

Speaker 3 (01:09:58):
Already doing that in La do it in Vegas, we
do it everywhere.

Speaker 8 (01:10:02):
If we put it on an industrial scale where we've
got millions and millions of dollars from teams pumping in
to put fans into a stadium, I'm just genuinely curious
if someone's going to eventually cry foul. Not not here,
but there's probably going to be an owner out there
somewhere who's like, this is not fair that you are
coming into my building and embarrassing my team in my place.

Speaker 2 (01:10:22):
Now to be fair, I mean going back again to
where it is all about the filthy Lucer. Guys, as
long as you're going through the official resale ticketing partner
of the NFL, everybody's going to get one thirty second
of that resale value whatever the NFL's cut is. So
maybe you know what they're getting that munchy they're gonna get.
They're goin to get set, they get a second bite

(01:10:42):
at the apple.

Speaker 7 (01:10:43):
Yeah, that's why I don't think it's an issue at all,
because they're gonna get their cut. They're happy as long
as they get the money. There's a lot of intrigue
around the game and they would love to see something
that It makes one interesting storyline that the Sunday Night
crew I have to talk about.

Speaker 3 (01:11:01):
All right, Oh, I feel good.

Speaker 8 (01:11:02):
But also like for a stadium as big as ford Field,
two thousands, not too much.

Speaker 3 (01:11:06):
But that's the other the part like you mentioned Dallas.

Speaker 2 (01:11:08):
I mean that's the party deck and it's one tenth
of that, all right for the night, And for the
night that is we've got Johnson versus Flores. All right,
who is the player that gets to be part of
the trick play? And what do you expect tonight?

Speaker 8 (01:11:22):
Well, I will say if there is a quarterback that
has has you know, not blinked in the face of
Flora's defense. It has been Jared Goff who has now
beaten this Flora's defense I believe at least three times
in Detroit. But I it's got to be Pine Sewel, right,
Like they they love trying to get the ball to
Pine Sewel. They try to have him throw a touchdown

(01:11:45):
pass not long ago, and he is at the heart
of everything the Detroit Lions do, Like they run rushing
plays designed with Pine Sewel in mind to be the
convoy leader. Like they they open up, they throw towards
receivers who have had giant holes open because of Pine Sewell.
This is a man who does everything and is probably

(01:12:06):
one of the best offensive players for the Detroit Lion
and the best right tackle and a Pro bowler. So yeah,
I think you get it down there. I think they're
gonna try to let and if it's you know, in
a score, is in a place where they like it,
why not try Pine Sewell doing something.

Speaker 2 (01:12:22):
He's also shown that, you know, there's general disregard for
teams at times the Bears. That was the most disappointing
thing in a disappointing year for me. Bucky is after
the stumble bump play and chuckling it up that no
defensive player said, I'll take a fifteen yarder for the team.

Speaker 8 (01:12:39):
Well, I think when it comes to I think when
it comes to Ben Johnson the trick plays. We are
seeing other teams trying to run trick plays. It's just
that they they don't have the coordination the Lions do
on running these plays. There's the hooking ladder that was
right last week by aman Ross, Saint Brown and Jamison Williams.
And if it works as well as a normal play,
if you have the cord to make it work every down,

(01:13:02):
not just out of desperation, but as part is your
main playbook, why wouldn't you run it well?

Speaker 2 (01:13:07):
But there's there's a difference between running and play to
where it's just full on disrespect versus it's a trick play.
There's a line and I think the Ben Johnson has
uh the hubris has gotten him a couple of times
and it's worked.

Speaker 8 (01:13:24):
He it's it is a Hubris a little bit, and
I'm curious what it is because, like so you bring
up the stumble play, I know his original idea he
had talked about was to put that ball directly on
the ground. Yeah, but Jared Goff talked him out of
It's like, no, that's kind of silly. Let's but that's
part of but that's also part of how he works
with his guys. He gets the buy in for this.
He revises these kind of plays and he makes sure

(01:13:46):
that it's it's going to work with what the personnel
he has.

Speaker 3 (01:13:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:13:50):
No, I look, it's working and it's a beautiful thing.
And we've talked about it a little off air, you
and I about coaching prospects. Just eventually the football guyds
do come home on you in some way, shape or form.
He's Chris Prefet at Chris Prefet read him Pride of Detroit.
You hear him here on the network. He'll be part
of Red Zone Radio as Steven and Rich going out

(01:14:12):
a big Week.

Speaker 3 (01:14:12):
Eighteen at Bucky Brooks.

Speaker 2 (01:14:14):
Where you find him READIMNFL dot com, Foxsports dot Com
find me over at Swollen Dome. As we continue here
on Fox Sports Radio from the tire Rack dot Com studios,
we'll wrap up what we have for.

Speaker 3 (01:14:25):
A big Week eighteen in the NFL season.

Speaker 2 (01:14:28):
Graandy, So welcome back in Fox Sports Radio, Fox Football
Sunday finishing up thanks to Chris follow Chris at Chris Purfet.
We got our guys shame making us sound pretty Isaac
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action at Isaac Loohancrown where you find him. Find me
over at Swollen Dome. I'll have some pithy comments about

(01:14:48):
what I see week eighteen, mocking the Bears, no doubt
along the way all of that, and then Smith and
I back at it tomorrow night. The Eyewatcher Flex podcast
is up through some darts at the week eighteen schedule.
If you're still using it for fantasy purposes. If you
did win your championship last week, congratulations, give us a
heads up as to who got you there. Owing back

(01:15:10):
to the Lions for a second, Bucky, Thirty seven point
eight percent of all teams that played in a championship
game on ESPN dot Com had Jamier Gubes.

Speaker 3 (01:15:23):
How about that.

Speaker 2 (01:15:26):
Fantastic run down the stretch as well, once the greatness
of David Montgomery went down for the count. But as
we look at it going forward, you know, as much
as we talk about the games, Bucky Tomorrow's It's all
about looking ahead, right. We talked about Ken Dorsey and
the offensive line coach getting dismissed in Cleveland. We're talking

(01:15:47):
about coaching changes. We obviously joke about the interview process
with the Jets. The Bears will go down that process
as well, and everybody doing their pie in the sky
of who they may hire. I asked rhetorically about Ben Johnson, like,
unless I have complete control over everything, including maybe I
get an ownership stake, as you know, a hallis McCaskey Johnson,

(01:16:12):
I'm not going to Chicago with what's going on there
and the history of meddling and everything else. And you
look at all the jobs around there. Is there any
of the cities where you'd be surprised or we may
see a bit of a surprise in terms of a firing.

Speaker 1 (01:16:30):
I don't know.

Speaker 7 (01:16:30):
I think people talk about Las Vegas ap potentially being
one and done there with Tom Brady's influences up or whatever.
I don't know if ever showed because they kind of
did knowing the thing before. But I'm certain he's a
great coach and he would certainly run some of that
stuff back there.

Speaker 1 (01:16:48):
It would be a little bit of newing the.

Speaker 7 (01:16:49):
Program with the edge that he's always created. You know,
like people talk about Jackson Mille, Chicago is already open.
There's always a surprise one. So maybe keep an eye
on the Innnanapolis Colts. There's some disappointment there. The quarterback
hasn't played as well as many anticipated. This team is
kind of going I won't say nowhere, but they're just

(01:17:11):
kind of in a division that was winnable for them.

Speaker 1 (01:17:14):
That might be one that you want to keep an
eye on. The general managing to head coach.

Speaker 2 (01:17:17):
Because we got that today Indianapolis Jacksonville to finish it off.
Still a lot of speculation there in Jacksonville, whether it's
coaching GM out, or whether Doug Peterson returns, or whether
they run it all the way back. Certainly stik in
two years with Anthony Richardson, and we've got reports that
even your third string quarterbacks telling him he's got to

(01:17:37):
work harder. Correct the reports that Ellinger pulled him aside
talking about different players, Buckner and others that had designed
their and their expectations and being woefully let down by
his work ethic. Now he won't play today. It'll be
a Joe Flacco experience for the final game here. But yeah,

(01:18:00):
just that one would not shock me at all if
Ursa did pull the trigger there, because, as you said,
the division was winnable. Houston took a huge step back. Slowik,
who was the hot nam last year is now just
a guy, and c J. Stroud behind a bad offensive line.
Now they had a lot of injuries to keep players.

(01:18:20):
But you know he has an organization. You gotta rise
above that. I mean, everybody's got injuries. Look at you
got uh you need a huge scorecard to figure out
who the hell is playing defense for the Lions tonight.

Speaker 7 (01:18:32):
Yeah, it's gonna be a trip because the Lions. To
think about the Lions that you love and respect, they
don't make excuses for who they have, who is available
or not.

Speaker 1 (01:18:41):
They're gonna line up and play. They're gonna do what
they do. And a lot of people say, oh, we're
just gonna do it do but the Lions literally do that.
They don't care who they are. They gonna play man
to man, they're gonna do those things. They're gonna b Liz.

Speaker 7 (01:18:49):
They can bring pressure and then on offense, they're gonna
put enough points up where they force you to play
their style. Contrasting styles. It's gonna be a great game
to watch them excited about some.

Speaker 2 (01:18:57):
Well just say this though, Bucky, I mean, I really
wish that we have that swagger back in Chicago, like
with the defense and with the culture that Detroit's built,
because then you can just play all sorts of road
Warrior clips from the eighties.

Speaker 3 (01:19:09):
We're from Chicago. Would we like to beat people up?

Speaker 7 (01:19:13):
I mean, I think that's a big part of it.
You have to play that way in Chicago's to Windy City.
Implement whether the Bears have a story tradition of being
dominanto defense, you got to play into that.

Speaker 3 (01:19:22):
That's it. We'll see what happens going forward. You had
the defensive coach.

Speaker 2 (01:19:26):
Now, while the firing and hiring cycle begins, I'm sure
the guys have some odds Coming up next. Follow him
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