Mark Willard & Aaron Torres Give Their Post Game Analysis Of Super Bowl LIX, Chat With Dan Beyer On The Field, Give Some Brotherly Love To Sean Brace, And Much More!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
I'll tell you this right now. This is not the
sentence that I thought I would be uttering at eleven
Eastern and eight Pacific on this particular night, February ninth,
twenty twenty five. But I'm about to say it. That
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First off, good evening to my man Aaron Torres, who
I do not get to talk too often, but I'm
really looking forward to talking to tonight. How are you, buddy,

(00:47):
Mark Willard?

Speaker 3 (00:48):
I am doing well. It is a pleasure to sit
in free from Salama. I know that's your normal Sunday
co host pleasure is mine and to be outside of
plank and already the first to react to I'm with
you now.

Speaker 4 (01:01):
Hate to brag. I did pick the Eagles to win
this game, but I did not pick it. I didn't
pick them to win by whatever it was.

Speaker 3 (01:07):
By however many it was, I can't say I saw
that one coming.

Speaker 4 (01:11):
So the pleasure is mine.

Speaker 3 (01:12):
Thank you for having me, and I'm excited to do
this over the next four three hours.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
I tell you what. Yeah, me too, and let me
start with this. And all I can do is state
that it is still a little bit of a state
of confusion for me, because here was my honest first
reaction eron I watched that game and I went, that's
kind of what I expected to happen to the Chiefs

(01:38):
at some point all year long. But it never did. Sure,
and then it did. Do you know what I mean,
Like we did this. I don't know where you were
in the season when we kind of gave up. We
collectively gave up on the narrative that we had been
building all year, which is that, man, the Chiefs are

(01:59):
just living right, They're finding little ways, we're blocking people's
field goals at the end of games. And we got
the ref thing, and we got the Raiders who don't
know how to take a knee or kick a field
like all of the quote unquote lucky victories, and somewhere
about like four or five weeks ago, we left our point.

(02:22):
We left it at the altar, and our point was, man,
they're gonna get there is one of these weeks somebody
is gonna just play a clean football game and totally
whoop them. And then we gave up, mainly because they
got to the playoffs, they had home field advantage, they
took on some real comers and they beat them too.

(02:43):
And so we went into this game like why I
ain't betting against the Chiefs. You can but and Aaron,
like you said, and my daughter will attest to this.
We went to the dog park this afternoon and I
went sweets. I don't know. I got this gut feeling
the Eagles are going to win it, but like, hell,
I'm betting it. I'm not betting against the Chiefs. Like

(03:04):
I've learned my lesson. But then finally what I thought
was gonna happen all year and gave up on finally happened.

Speaker 4 (03:13):
So let me ask, actually a question.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
I wasn't gonna go with a question here, but you know,
you hear this a lot in sports is when a
team you know can do no wrong. That sometimes and
it could be a team that's undefeated whatever, but that
it isn't.

Speaker 4 (03:27):
The worst thing to get your humble pie.

Speaker 3 (03:30):
Now I want to ask you if say, you know,
obviously the only Chiefs lost all season was to Buffalo
during the regular season. I know they lost on the
final week of the season, but Mahomes didn't play, the
Stars didn't play.

Speaker 4 (03:40):
But let's just say hypothetically.

Speaker 3 (03:43):
A week fifteen sixteen, they played the Chargers, they win
by they win by two. Whoever, the week before, I
think it was Black Friday, they play the Raiders, they
win nineteen to seventeen. So, by the way, you know,
four or five weeks in a row where they win
by a possession, they win by a score. Whatever do
you think if, say, in week fourteen, fifteen sixteen, something

(04:04):
like that, they just took one on the chin from
a team when everybody was playing da da da, do
you think that would have better prepared them for this moment?
Or do you think with the way that Philadelphia dominated,
specifically on the defensive line against that Kansas City O line,
that the result that we got tonight was ultimately inevitable.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
I think that they're both really really fair questions. I
lean more toward the ladder. I lean more toward what
you said at the end, which is that the Eagles
just dominated the heck out of them. And if that's
because of a certain matchup that is in their favor,
or if it's just because they played really clean today,

(04:45):
they shook Patrick Mahomes whatever. I look at a game
like today, and I'm not one of these people that's like,
you know, if the Chiefs had Nope, I'm out. I'm
not filling in that blank. We're not doing it if
like you got served across the board in that game.
But I still think that your original question is valid,

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which is to say, like, if somebody had handed it
to him in week eleven, would they maybe have bought
a little less into the narrative that they walk on water.
There's probably something to that. Yes, there's probably something to
that as well.

Speaker 3 (05:26):
Yeah, and I tend to agree with you is I
think it's always the interesting hypothetical when a result like
this happens. But I just you know, the reason I
did and I'm not gonna do the victory lap because
I did not see this result coming. But the reason
I did think that Philadelphia would win is solely because
I thought they were better essentially in every skill group
except for the quarterback position. I know that's not really

(05:48):
a group. But you know, running backs better, wide receivers better,
O Line. I know Philadelphia was banged up, but really
really really good D Line. I know Casey has Chris Jones,
but you look at Jalen Carter, you look at Josh
what I thought they were better?

Speaker 4 (06:02):
And so I'm with you, is I.

Speaker 3 (06:04):
Think it's easy to say now oh like like, And
I do think to a degree they had this coming.
I do think when you win as many one score games,
which that streak is still going whatever it is, all
in a row, seventeen in a row, I think that
at some point you think the flip, the script is
gonna flip. But I don't think this is the example
of that. I think it was just a better team.
You know, Mahomes had no time at all at any

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point in this game. Uh you know, he had a
couple turnovers, but they weren't you know, when when his
uh oh tackle is getting blocked into his legs and
he throws a pick, I don't think it's his fault.
So you know, I know we're gonna have a million
different directions to go to over the course of the next
three hours. But I just I don't think like you said,
I if they had lost Week nine to fill in

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the blank team or Week eleven to this team or
that team, I don't think that they somehow have a
different mindset. I just think Philadelphia was essentially better at
every position. I don't think that they were intimidated any way,
shape or form, like maybe some of those AFC teams
seem to be in these big moments. They've been on
this stage, they've been on this stage against this team.

Speaker 4 (07:08):
I think they're just better.

Speaker 3 (07:10):
And so to wrap on that part of the conversation,
I don't think this is different if Casey had taken
a loss somewhere along the way.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
Yeah, I'm with you, and brother, I'll tell you this.
When I watched I turned on the pregame show and
they're they're interviewing the top players from each team as
they're they're taking the field, and I was like, oh,
my goodness, you could not have given off a more
different vibe than what Patrick Mahomes did versus what Saquon

(07:41):
Barkley did. Let me explain. So, Patrick Mahomes comes out
and literally has this vibe of like the senior who
shows up at high school on a Friday. I have
been here I have done this. There is nobody in
this building who can bother me like I am so

(08:04):
Joe cool. And they do that interview and then they
flip to the other sideline and there's Tom Rinaldi with
Saquon Barkley, and Saquon is swaying during the whole interview.
He can't stand still, like the look on his face
is like, oh boy, oh my goodness, here we go.

(08:28):
He looked like somebody who was at the top of
the hill of the roller coaster before it dives off
the cliff. And I thought to myself, I don't know
if that's a good thing or a bad thing. Everybody
handles pressure differently. Some people it brings out their best.
Some people kind of choke on the on the open
net a little bit. But in this particular case, what

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that led to was, and I'm not gonna do the cliche,
the Eagles wanted it more. But the Eagles came out
really edgy. I thought they came out like, oh, you know,
eminem song, this is our one shot. And they handled
it well right out of the gate. On that first drive,

(09:11):
Jalen Hurts converts on a third and long. Then they
go for it on fourth down, they get it. They
get it. Then there's a horrible call. And we can
talk about that more in a minute, because I thought
that was interesting the way they handled it. But let's
actually go out live to New Orleans right now. This

(09:31):
is pretty special. The Eagles are Super Bowl champs and
they're leading tackler in the game. Zach Bond joins us
now live on Fox Sports Radio, Mark Willard, Aaron Torres, Zach,
thanks for coming on. Congratulations, Thank you very much. Take
us inside your head and your locker room light right now,

(09:52):
as ud throne. I mean, sure, you're super Bowl champs,
but it's not just that, it's also who you took down,
the team that that nobody else has been able to
take down.

Speaker 5 (10:03):
I'm sorry, I can't really under I can't really hear you.
I don't you're really fuzzy cutting out.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
Okay, I'm saying that. That's okay. Can you hear me
a little better?

Speaker 6 (10:14):
Now?

Speaker 5 (10:17):
I can't really hear let me, can you, Zach?

Speaker 2 (10:19):
Can you hear me?

Speaker 4 (10:20):
Can you hear me? Can you hear me? Is this
any better?

Speaker 2 (10:24):
Zach?

Speaker 4 (10:24):
Can you hear us? Zach Bond well caught up in
the moment.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
Well, there it is Zach Bond on Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 4 (10:34):
He's speechlessly. It's safe to say that Eagles are speechless.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
Well, listen, one thing I know, and I've done this
for I did this for years. When you hand a
cell phone to somebody in the middle of a big,
huge stadium where there are thousands and thousands of people,
sometimes that happens. Sometimes it goes that way, no doubt.
But but anyway, what I was going to say is

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the Eagles go for it there on fourth down. They convert.
Then there was a ridiculous call by the officials, and
so it was that gut punched right away. But my god,
they handled it well. They handled it so well, and
to me, that was a precursor. That was a sign
of things to come.

Speaker 4 (11:18):
No doubt.

Speaker 3 (11:18):
Let me ask you a question, Willard, because you know
you mentioned, you know, Saquon a little bit appearing to
be on pins and needles in the pregame. I do
want to ask you though, And obviously you covered this
game all week, like everybody in the media did. I
did kind of get a vibe like it was almost
like certain people were treating it like a Kansas City inevitability.

(11:42):
And maybe that's just you know, the arrogance of people
that cover that team or whatever.

Speaker 4 (11:46):
But you talk about Mahomes Joe Cool, and I.

Speaker 3 (11:49):
Don't know, it's just you know, and I tweeted this
and I don't want to overreact to probably a nothing story.
But you know, Mahomes and Kelsey going on a double
date Friday night, you know, casey fans and showing up
like Philly. Did you get the sense at all that
some seemed to be treating it like an inevitability? You said,
you know, Mahomes Joe Cool on the sideline. That's not

(12:09):
a knock on him. But I just I don't know.
I just all week long it felt like the vibes
were a little bit off, or at least in the
favor of the Eagles.

Speaker 4 (12:16):
Am I totally crazy on that?

Speaker 2 (12:17):
I don't think you're crazy. I just think also there's
an inevitability to that, Like when you do this every
single February, it's you're like, here you are again. You know,
this just becomes normalcy, where for the Eagles it was
not normalcy. You were either one of a handful of players.
You know, you had a handful of players obviously who

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were on this team two years ago. And really had
focused on getting back, or you were like Saquon Barkley,
who literally just joined the Eagles and you've never been
in a game half this big in your entire life.
I don't know how you can battle that when that
team that's feeling that angst then channels it correctly and

(13:00):
comes out and plays a clean game.

Speaker 4 (13:02):
Sure it makes sense. I'm so yeah, you know it. Listen.

Speaker 3 (13:05):
I think it's easy now for anybody I include myself
in that, to have revisionist history. But it just felt
like there were certain people that you listen talk about
this game and it just felt like they're already They've
already formulated their narratives of what does the Chiefs hit
three peat mean for the history of this sport? And
this is where Mahomes now ranks with Brady with a
fourth Super Bowl and a third in a row. And

(13:27):
I've just seen that narrative so much in sports, having
covered all sorts of sports over the last you know,
however many years I've been doing this where it just
felt like, you know, and again I mention this a
minute ago, and I don't want to oversell it, but
you know, Mahomes and Kelsey Friday night public dinner out.
I don't know, just the vibes felt weird. I'm not
saying that Casey wasn't ready to go or took it

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for granted, but if the vibes felt weird to me
all week long.

Speaker 4 (13:51):
But you know, maybe I'm overthinking.

Speaker 2 (13:53):
It so well. No, I mean, hey, no, it's a
worthwhile thought, especially when you look at how easy this
one ended up being. Dude, this was just this was
not a great game.

Speaker 3 (14:04):
Let me ask you, Yeah, go ahead, I was gonna say,
when did you believe it was over? Because I have
a thought on that, like it's over, like that, like
Casey is not doing this. Like do you have a
strong opinion on when you kind of thought, Okay, this
is not going to be Casey's night.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
I absolutely do, and I'll share it with you here.
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Speaker 2 (15:09):
Well, this was kind of the Chiefs song for a minute.
All they do is win, win, win until tonight. Mark
willerderon Taurus Fox Sports Radio post a game party the
Eagles forty, the Chiefs twenty two and Aaron It was
nowhere near that close.

Speaker 4 (15:32):
Nope, it was nuts.

Speaker 2 (15:34):
Oh my goodness. I mean tyrack dot Com Studiosxavy are
worthy can do whatever he wants to do in garbage time.
But this was quite frankly in terms of watchability, Like
if you're if you showed up for a good game, man,
it was a bore And you asked me when did
I like? When did I know?

Speaker 6 (15:55):
No?

Speaker 2 (15:55):
When did it feel like that was for sure a
done deal? And I I hate to say this, but
for me, my man, it was actually in the first half.
It was the aj Brown twelve yard catch with one
thirty five to go. I mean, you know, take like
the playoffs. Last year, we watched the forty nine ers
down seventeen at halftime in the NFC Championship game. They

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won that game. But twenty four is a different animal
than seventeen. And the fact that I think what the
Chiefs have at halftime thirteen yards?

Speaker 3 (16:26):
See why actually wrote it down twenty excuse you, Willard,
it was twenty three yards?

Speaker 4 (16:32):
How dare you?

Speaker 2 (16:33):
How dare I'm a Chiefs hater just like the rest.
I want to take even more from him.

Speaker 3 (16:37):
But they had nearly twice as many yards as you
gave him credit for, with twenty three twenty.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
Twenty three yards and I think two first downs that right,
I think there were two first downs and twenty three
yards something like that, maybe three first downs, whatever the
numbers were, it told a story big time. And it
wasn't also just a twenty four point deficit. It was
just that fact that the Chiefs could not move the ball.

(17:04):
And so yeah, that's my answer to your question. In
that moment, I said this thing's cooked.

Speaker 3 (17:09):
Yeah, for me, it was so it was very early,
and you know, you never want to put anything out
on social media. You don't want to end up on
old takes exposed. And I will say again, you know
you like, I hate to keep reiterating, Yes I did
pick the Eagles to win, but you know that no matter.
But what I was gonna say was, no matter how
confident you are in the pick, there is the well

(17:30):
it is Mahomes on the other sideline narrative. But it
just felt like within the first two or three possessions,
it was like, oh, they felt Kansas City cannot block
this team. And that to me was like, again, I
don't claim to be a coach or a scheme expert,
but when the d line, and it was funny because
even you know, at our little Super Bowl party we had,
we had a couple of people over, you know, I

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you know, I was kind of rewinding the TV to
show my wife.

Speaker 4 (17:55):
I was like, see the guys in white, See how.

Speaker 3 (17:57):
They're immediately getting blown back five yards every time the
ball is snapped. And so it wasn't something you know,
there are things in football and even if you're not
a coach, you know you kind of we all watch
it enough to kind of know, oh, that can be
an adjustment, that can be this, that can be that.
It's like when you just can't block the other team
and they are getting to your quarterback anytime that they want.

(18:18):
And so I'm with you, is again, mahomes is on
the other sideline, you don't want to underestimate him.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
Ever.

Speaker 3 (18:24):
Obviously that's oldest cliche in the book, but it just
felt like very early, it was like, yeah, I don't
think they're gonna be able to block them at any
point on this game now.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
And I also thought to myself, like, okay, and once
it goes to twenty four to nothing, I'm like, I
believe this thing is done. And in fact, I was listening.
I was listening to to playing con Spanier and Steve,
Steve who will be here in like three minutes. I'm
listening to them at halftime and they kind of laid
it out. They're like, the vibe of this thing right

(18:53):
now is not twenty four to nothing. It's thirty four
to nothing, and so we're not feeling comeback. But if
I was gonna leave any opening at all, I'm like, well,
the Chiefs get the ball to open the second half.
If they hot knife butter and score a touchdown. You know,
this remains watchable. And within two minutes they had kicked

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the ball away to the Eagles, and the Eagles were
on their way to yet another scoring drive. And so
at the five eighteen mark of the third quarter, it's
twenty seven and nothing, and you're like, kicking feed up,
ladies and gentlemen, the Super Bowl champion has been crowned.

Speaker 4 (19:31):
M h Nope, I don't disagree. It was an interesting game.

Speaker 3 (19:36):
I think for anybody who has obviously spent time rooting
against Phil or against Case, it was an enjoyable moment.
But yeah, it was just one of the like I said,
it just it felt like, within two or three possessions,
you're like, I know it's Mahomes.

Speaker 4 (19:50):
I know it's Case. They cannot block him.

Speaker 3 (19:53):
I think kind of the crazy part too, is and
they obviously talked about this on the broadcast, but you know,
you hold Saquon to fifty seven yards rowd ushing two
point three yards per carry, you think you're golden, you know,
And it's like, but it was Jalen Hurts. I you know,
I think I know he was Super Bowl MVP, but
through our first twenty eight minutes. Probably haven't given him
enough credit making plays not only with his arm, but

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with his legs as well.

Speaker 4 (20:16):
And so it was the D line, it was Jalen Hurts.
It was just a complete effort.

Speaker 3 (20:21):
But it is kind of funny that you would say
probably the least impactful part of Philly's victory was the
run game, and that shows kind of how good they
were well.

Speaker 2 (20:30):
And it also shows and I kind of expected this.
This was the area of my world where I made
some good predictions, and that was in kind of the
in the daily fantasy world. I'm like the expectation for
Saquon Barkley to score multiple touchdowns and go over one
hundred and fifteen yards, like for that to be the

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baseline for a running back going into a game against
a team who, by the way, you know how many
hundred yard rushers they gave up this year? Uh huh none.
I'm like, this is not it's not going to be.
This was my thought, was not going to be a
Saquon game because Spagnolo is great, the Chiefs defense is
really good, and they're going to focus solely on that.

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But where the Eagles had an advantage was on the outside,
and if Jalen could get time and deliver. I thought
he had a chance to put together a really nice game,
and man, he stepped into his role and showed that
that that that he's a champ and and you know,
his life is now different because of it, because of
all those labels that that he now carries around, super

(21:36):
Bowl MVP and super Bowl Champion.

Speaker 3 (21:38):
Well, all I will say is, not only did you
nail that, but I'm watching your video right now on
your Twitter feed. I don't I don't know if that's
your house or what, but it is a beautiful background
that you had while shooting that video this morning, and
you nailed the Saquon prediction.

Speaker 4 (21:51):
But I don't know. You look like you're in the
Sequoias or something.

Speaker 6 (21:55):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
That's we We live in a little bit of a
wooded area and that that's yeah, that's that's it's my
deck out there.

Speaker 6 (22:00):
We do.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
We have a nice view, Thank you very much. Yeah. Yeah, Actually,
you know what, I had two I want to complain
about this for two seconds on the other side of
Steve de Seger because I had two two three picks
and I got one right and I only missed one
in the other one, and I'm playing the refs for it.

Speaker 4 (22:22):
They were off the hook the Chiefs finally lost.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
No, nope, no, the refs are not off the hook,
and neither is Steve de Seger. He's got to talk now.

Speaker 7 (22:29):
By the way, for all the favoritism, Philadelphia has now
had fewer penalty yards than its opponent in nine straight games.
Philadelphia Eagles clearly clearly.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
In on the Eagles. Surely I've been saying it all.

Speaker 7 (22:42):
You super Bowl fifty nine to Philadelphia, forty to twenty
two over Kansas City. You're right, it wasn't that close.
You talked about the pressure Mahomes felt. The Eagles did
not blitz once, and he drove back to pass over
forty times. At one point it was half his dropbacks.
He was getting pressure. The Chiefs wound up calling seven
design run plays the entire night. Neither team's running backs

(23:04):
did much of anything but kse my Goodness seven carries
total from the three running backs. The two running backs
from Philadelphia combined for thirty one carries, just sixty seven yards.
Nick Sirianni is a Super Bowl champion and in fact,
the first head coach in the history of the NFL
to win a title game where the opposing coach was

(23:25):
at least twenty years older than he was. Head coaches
had been winless oh to eight all time when facing
the other coach at twenty plus years older than you
in a title game, going back even before the Super Bowl.
So Patrick Mahomes takes an l in the big game.
He's three and two in Super Bowls in his career.
Another way to put it, my goodness, he's only twenty

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nine and he's been in five Super Bowls already. Kansas
City finishes seventeen to three, but Mahomes committed three turnovers,
did have three touchdown passes too late in the game.
Mahomes was sacked six times. The Chiefs offense thirteen drives,
twelve first downs. Eagles led thirty four to nothing late
in the third quarter. Xavier Worthy did wind up with

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eight receptions one hundred and fifty seven yards and two scores.
But your Super Bowl MVP Jalen Hurts of the Eagles
three total touchdowns. He had eleven carries seventy two yards.
That's a Super Bowl record for a quarterback. Rushing Sakuon
Barkley with not much on the ground, but did have
six catches forty yards Jake Elliott four for four on
field goals. The Eagles finished eighteen and three, and remember

(24:30):
they completely dominated the NFC title game against Washington. It
was fifty five to twenty three and the Eagles were
averaging seven yards per play on that game. Those fifty
five points previous game were the most ever by any
team in a conference title game. This was the number
one rank defense in the entire regular season, and they
were missing linebacker Nakobe Dean out for the post scene

(24:52):
with a torn pateeller tendon.

Speaker 4 (24:54):
They were great.

Speaker 7 (24:55):
It's quite the combination, very rare where you're a team
that in one season you are number umber one in
total defense and you have the league's top rusher. The
only other team in the Super Bowl era that had
both the same year Emmett Smith and Dallas nineteen ninety
two when they won the Super Bowl. The Eagles are
the first NFC team to go to three Super Bowls
now in a span of eight years since those Cowboy

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teams back in the nineteen nineties. This Super Bowl was
played in New Orleans, so it was Philly's first game
outside of Philadelphia since before Christmas. They had gone five
straight Sundays at home, and next year's Super Bowl will
be in Santa Clair the forty nine Ers Stadium, which
has hosted one Big Game prior. In two years, the
Super Bowl will be at the Rams Stadium in Inglewood, California,

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which has hosted one Super Bowl prior, and in twenty
twenty eight, the Atlanta Falcons Stadium or Cities Benz Stadium
will be hosting Super Bowl sixty two. That stadium has
hosted one. New Orleans congratulations as host city this past week,
the city hosting a Super Bowl for its eleventh time,
the first three at Tulane, most recent at Superdome, of course,

(25:59):
was the one where the Lake went out about a
decade ago Super Bowl fifty nine to eight blowout. That
first half, it was twenty four to nothing at the half,
twenty three total yards net for Kansas City. In other words,
they had fewer yards than the Eagles had points in
the first half twenty plays twenty three yards as Mahomes
was sacked three times in the first half, had the

(26:21):
pick six two interceptions total, it was thirteen first downs
to one at the halftime break. The Chiefs had one
first down in the first half. That hadn't happened in
a Super Bowl since New England had to face the
Bears defense and got blown out in a Super Bowl
in the mid eighties. By late third quarter, the Jalen
Hurts long touchdown pass made it thirty four to nothing.

(26:42):
That was right after the defense got a fourth downstop
against KC And by the way, as we head to
next season, two items. The New Orleans Saints will be
meeting with Kellen Moore again now that the Super Bowl's over.
They've already interviewed him twice for their head coach opening.
It sounds like the job is his. He's been Eagles
offensive coordinator, a former austint with the Chargers in Dallas.
And we'll find out the exact NFL schedule for everyone,

(27:04):
probably in May. But we do know teams, opponents, and
we do know Philadelphia will play at Kansas City next season.
As far as Philadelphia home games next year, they'll be
hosting Detroit and the Rams, but Philadelphia will have the
road game at Kansas City, a road game at Buffalo.
They'll be playing at Green Bay, at Tampa Bay, at Minnesota. No,

(27:25):
they won't be getting a last play schedule. The defending
Super Bowl Champs. There will be a lot of international
games next year. The coltser be playing in Berlin, Dolphins
will be in Madrid next season, Steelers a game in Ireland.
Browns will be in London for a game next season,
along with Jacksonville overseas, Jets overseas.

Speaker 2 (27:43):
So a lot to look forward to.

Speaker 7 (27:44):
NBA injury news, Anthony Davis, hurt in his first game
with Dallas, could miss multiple weeks with an adductor strain.
Giannis Antenakumpo of Milwaukee will be out through the All
Star break next weekend with a sore calf. They didn't
need him. Today beat Philadelphias. Damian Lillard scored forty three points.
Women's hoops UCLA ranked number one is twenty three and
oh after winning at Oregon, but number two South Carolina

(28:06):
lost at number four ranked Texas sixty six to sixty two.
South Carolina had won fifty seven straight conference games. And
if you saw the Jay Glazer report on Super Bowl
pregame on Fox TV, the Jets are moving on from
quarterback Aaron Rodgers. He met with the team this past week.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
Back to you, okay, I think we'd love to talk
about each and every one of those things. Let me
ask you this though, real quick air Have you ever
been to New Orleans? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (28:31):
I have, And I'll say this really quick to Sega
and I talked a little bit about this with Dan
Byer last night. You know, I've seen the reports of
you know, has the Super Bowl outgrown that city?

Speaker 4 (28:42):
I hope not, because it is one of the great, great,
great cities we have in America.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
First of all, I've never gotten the chance to go
really crazy. I've had trips planning there multiple times, and
for one reason or another, they've fallen through. I've never been,
but I heard the opposite all week. I heard more
people say, why isn't the super Bowl here at Oh? Yeah, no, No.

Speaker 4 (29:03):
And just to be clear, I think everybody that goes
loves it.

Speaker 3 (29:06):
But we've obviously heard all the stories about the price
of hotel rooms, and you know, I don't think anybody
that goes has an issue with it. What I would say, Willard,
is the thing about New Orleans. I don't think people,
if you've never been, you appreciate. You hear about Bourbon Street,
you hear about the jazz clubs, this, and that the
food is unbelievable. Right on the golf there. I don't

(29:29):
know what the golf of what. I don't know what
we're calling it these days. I think there might be
a name change in the works. But I just bring
it up because I'll tell you what. The last time
I was there the Final four and twenty twenty two.
But I bring it up because the first two nights
I was there, literally you know, you go to media
stuff all day.

Speaker 4 (29:45):
I would come out hungry. I would literally go go
get dinner just by myself. I was like, I'm gonna
go get some food. You end up oring a bunch
of food.

Speaker 3 (29:52):
I went back to the room and went to bed
both nights, and so I didn't experience too much Bourbon Street,
but it was because the food was so good.

Speaker 4 (29:58):
But it's incredible city.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
Eight yourself to sleep. That's that's one of my favorite
things to do, especially on a Super Bowl Sunday, by
the way. But then again, my food was out early
at my place because everyone was so bored. They just ate,
like we got to eat, like this game's over. But anyway,
tyreck dot Com Studios, I've got a question for you.

(30:21):
But yes, I want to get this off my chest first.
The only thing I got wrong today was I had
AJ Brown, I think higher than sixty eight yards and
this is going to be all.

Speaker 4 (30:39):
I know where you're going to keep good.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
Well, look, let me read something to you that DeAndre
Hopkins just said after the game. Are you ready for
this quote? I saw a lot of things in the
media about the refs, but obviously, bleep what you're all
going to say now about the refs. There were a
lot of touchy calls. Are you all going to report that?

(31:02):
Are you all going to talk about the rest now?
End quote? Well, DeAndre, yes, yes we are. And it's
not because today ended up being a day where the
refs ruined it in favor of the Chiefs. Quite frankly,
you were so outplayed that the refs were thankfully taken
out of this thing. But if the Eagles fans had

(31:23):
any frustrating moments tonight at all, that came on their
opening drive fourth and two, they opt to go for it.
Jalen Hurts throws a dot down the right sideline to
AJ Brown. Perfect catch goes for over thirty yards. Yes,
he would have had well over seventy yards if that
play was allowed to stand. But no, we got ourselves

(31:46):
all up and involved in a play that we had
no business getting involved in and called, quite frankly, one
of the worst offensive PI calls I've ever seen in
my life. Now this is no longer about the Chiefs
because they lost by double digits. What this is just about, though, Aaron,
I don't understand what the league can do about what

(32:10):
feels like a rise in head scratching judgment calls that
are very easily avoided.

Speaker 4 (32:20):
Let me ask, I don't know what to do.

Speaker 3 (32:22):
Yeah, do you think it feels like there's more judgment
calls just because you know, as a society, maybe we're
paying a little bit closer attention because we have actual
money on the line here.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
Or because we have twelve angles and we've got so
much more access and we're a faster moving group and
all of those things. Or maybe it's also just our
entry point because in all of our sports now we
have review. Sure, we have review, We have review on this,
review on that, baseball, basketball, we have review. And so

(32:52):
it becomes, I think, increasingly difficult when we can see
something that looks obvious to us and we don't get
it right. We don't handle that well anymore. We used
to think that that was part of the game.

Speaker 4 (33:05):
We don't like it anymore, that's fair. And you know, again,
you know, first of all, the call was brutal to
open the game.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
Call. No.

Speaker 3 (33:15):
All I was gonna say is I'm just glad it
had no impact on the final score result because it certainly,
you know, if it had been a close game or
a one score game or whatever. And obviously I'm guessing
everybody listening saw the play, but it was early, I
would have certainly put the Eagles easily in field goal range.

Speaker 4 (33:34):
If not, you know, with a chance to score a touchdown.

Speaker 3 (33:38):
You know, they took points off the board from Philadelphia essentially,
So I'm glad it didn't make an impact. But now
I'm with you, is it feels like it's happening more
and again, I don't know to your point, if we're
hyper conscious because of the betting angle, if it's because
the technology is so good, if it's because you know,
we were It's just a review in general really bothers me.

(33:58):
So it's I don't want to go too far in
on the review stuff, because that's a different conversation. This
wasn't a review, obviously, but I just bring it up
to say it was a brutal call. I'm glad it
didn't impact the game, but I could understand your frustration
not only if you're a gambler or this, or you're that,
just essentially if you're a Philly fan whatever, because it
was a brutal call to take points off the board.

Speaker 2 (34:17):
Yeah. Absolutely, and yes it cost me a hundred bucks.
But anyway, Mark Willard, Aaron Torres, and I got this
question for you coming up next, because we do this
every Super Bowl. Once someone wins, we go, oh, well
that's how you play football best and win like that's
now what matters. I'd like to know what you think

(34:39):
we learned from this twenty twenty four twenty five season
based on how it ended. We'll get to that coming
up next on Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 1 (34:49):
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Speaker 2 (35:01):
Okay, these arethetie rack dot com studios. That is eron tooys.
I am Mark Willard. The Eagles are your champs. There
will be no three pete, not now and probably not
anytime soon, maybe not ever. Is real hard to do, man,
it's real hard to do. And to me, I know

(35:24):
it's cliched to say, oh, the Eagles look like they
wanted it more. I don't know if they wanted it more.
I've just always thought this, like, the have nots are
always going to be a little bit more kind of
fired up and desiring than the haves. That's just life.

(35:47):
I don't care if you're talking about football or food, money, whatever,
like that's just kind of the way it is. And
it does not mean that the have not is always
going to win. But my god, when I looked at
it today, Aaron, it looked to me like the Chiefs
were just a little bit too like, yep, formulaic, this

(36:08):
is what we do. Second Sunday in February. We've got
a football game. Meantime, the Eagles were all in heart, mind, body, spirit,
everything well.

Speaker 3 (36:18):
And I think sometimes the thing that makes you great
in who you are can ultimately come back to bite you.
And I think there was I mean, even in the
first half of you down seventeen to nothing and it
was oh, I mean, well, you know, you looked at
the sideline and I think there was some dejection, but
I think there was kind of this oh, you know,
we'll do this because it's what we always do. We
fall down, it happens, we'll be fine.

Speaker 4 (36:39):
Da da dah.

Speaker 3 (36:40):
And it just it didn't happen. And listen again. You
and I've been covering sports for a long time. We've
seen great teams, bad teams, whatever. But but there have
been plenty of teams that it feels like they kind
of make it a habit of you know, kind of
playing their B plus game and they always get away
with it. I know we talked about this to lead
the show, but you know, I think that there was

(37:01):
just a belief, even from the chiefs, of like this
is what we do. We're gonna come back, and it's like, no, no,
that other team is really good. They're not afraid. They're
beating the crap out of you. And it didn't really
feel like until some point in the second half when
they cut to the sidelines. And I think the only
way you could describe it is total disbelief, because, like
I said, I just think the thing that made Philly

(37:24):
or the thing that made KC case this year specifically
and really maybe the last couple of years is no
deficits too big, nothing to worry about.

Speaker 4 (37:31):
We got this.

Speaker 3 (37:31):
As you said earlier, Joe Cool, We're gonna be fine.
And that's just a dangerous way to live, you know,
falling down double figures or assuming you're gonna win a
one score game.

Speaker 4 (37:40):
It's always a little bit more complicated than.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
That, no doubt, no doubt. So I do I want
to ask you this, and that is when you look
now at the way the Chiefs actually got dethroned, what
do you think we learned? What do you take from it?

Speaker 4 (37:55):
I think two things really quick.

Speaker 3 (37:56):
Is one exactly what I just said is you can't
expect to get by on the skinn of your teeth
every single week. At some point it's gonna come back
to bite you. I know you you made that great
point to lead the show. We thought it was gonna happen,
you know, ten twelve, maybe thirteen times over the course
of the season.

Speaker 4 (38:13):
Never did until tonight.

Speaker 5 (38:14):
You know.

Speaker 3 (38:14):
I think the other thing to me is I think
it's the sum of the parts with Philly is you
know Cooper to John we were talking about as a
first round pick that last year, he ends up falling
to the second round. Great value, Jalen Carter. We know
he fell because of some personal issues. Philly felt like, hey,
we got a bunch of his former teammates from Georgia
in this locker room. We can handle whatever issues are
going to come about. And so it's about I still think, listen,

(38:38):
it's about player evaluation. It's about you know, what's the
word I'm looking for when you get the right guy
in the right spot. Basically, you know, taking advantage of
your picks or whatever. That to me is it is
like I said to early in the show, I thought
Philly was in uh was better at just about every
spot on the field. All those guys aren't first round picks,

(38:58):
Guys that have dropped, Guys that stump well, guys that
had personal problems that got solved.

Speaker 4 (39:02):
That to me is what stands out about this Philly win.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
Yeah, I get all that. I also think and again,
this is one of those things we do. It wasn't
that long ago that we decided that like wide receivers
were maybe one of the most important positions on the field.
We got to give them all thirty and thirty five
million dollars. Now that kind of changed, didn't it. The
vibe on that change. Saquon Barkley and Derrick Henry changed

(39:28):
that a little bit. And now because of what we
saw today, watch for the pendulum to move in the
direction of the defensive line. Yep. And that being the
straw that stirs a drink. And for me, that means
if I'm a hopeful contender next year, I'm going all

(39:49):
in for Miles Garrett.

Speaker 4 (39:50):
Great call, that's a great call. We got two hours
left to discuss, so I think that's a great, great,
great call.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
Though, I mean, we should talk about some of these
other other players with things going on right now. Aaron
Rodgers release. Miles Garrett wants to trade, so does Deebo Samuel.
Let's get to all of that as we continue. Mark
with it, Aaron Torres, Fox Sports Radio. Here we go
into the night. Super Bowl after party is on, but

(40:19):
we're gonna go live straight to New Orleans in about
five minutes. Our own Dan Byers on the scene. We're
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(40:43):
just isn't. But over and over, one way or another,
we get reminded every single year that football games, especially
the end of the year, they are one down there
on that line of scrimmage. I could argue that the
Chiefs victory the last few years in the Super Bowl,
their best player I thought was Chris Jones. Sure, yeah,

(41:06):
like he's the one who's been winning Super Bowl rings
for that team. And now it was an ego defensive
line that did not have to blitz the entire night
that that did the same and kind of flipped the
script on the Kansas City Chiefs. So yeah, that's my
message for today. Stop giving your wide receiver thirty million dollars.

(41:27):
He's not worth it.

Speaker 3 (41:28):
Well, and when did kse You know, listen, they've been
great since Mahomes took over as a starting quarterback. But listen,
I was the guy that for a year was convinced
Casey was taking a major step back because they lost
Tyreek Hill. And it's like, oh, there's no play you know,
even for great receiver standards, there's nobody like him. And
it's like, well, doesn't really end up mattering when you
have a great coach at a great quarterback, and so

(41:50):
I'm with you, and I do think what's interesting is,
like you said, how how sports become such copycat situations.
I think being rate along the lines is something that
is going to withstand the test of time in football forever.
But I think the best example I've ever seen of
that is the team that you cover very closely, the

(42:11):
Golden State Warriors. When you know they started shooting a
million threes, Well, we got to get our own Stephan Clay,
and it's like, uh, they're literally two of probably the
three best shooters, if not the two best shooters. There
aren't another Steph and Clay walking around, and so I
will say, I think you know it's gonna be I
do think again, people will try to replicate the Philadelphia blueprint,

(42:33):
but again, there aren't very many guys like Jalen Carter
falling floating around, and they usually don't fall as far
in the draft as they do. I know, I referenced
it a minute ago, but had some stuff that happened
off the court. They had off the field, excuse.

Speaker 2 (42:45):
Me, yep, yep.

Speaker 3 (42:46):
They had a bunch of guys that had played with
him in college. They thought, you know, they could kind
of keep them in line.

Speaker 4 (42:50):
They did. But I do agree that two things are true.

Speaker 3 (42:54):
One is that I agree with you that everybody, I
think is going to lock in on the D line
and realize the value that a guy like Josh Wett
Jalen Carter would ever have. But two, I also think
that that's something that every team should be prioritizing because
you see the difference that they make. And I would
just quickly say, you go back to the other Super
Bowl that the Chiefs lost, as great as Tom Brady

(43:16):
is and was it was the defensive line completely unblockable
against the Chiefs when it was Tampa Bay. And it's just,
you know, it's just a common theme year over year
when you factor in the Chiefs wins with Chris Jones,
Tampa's win over Kansas City a few years ago, Tonight's win,
or Sunday Nights win. I know it's Monday on the
East Coast now, but that you know the game was

(43:37):
it was dominated by Philadelphia's defensive line.

Speaker 5 (43:39):
It really was.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
Yeah, I mean, I think there's a lot to get
to with with with everything that you just said. We'll
continue that conversation in a little bit, because right now
we do want to go live out to Nola because
right there on the scene a key member of the
entire Fox Sports radio group, and that is our own
Dan Bayer, who is a was at the game and

(44:01):
is now in the aftermath. Hey Dan, what's going on? Man?

Speaker 5 (44:05):
Mark Karon. Great to be with you, guys. I wish
we had a better game, but still happy to be
with you.

Speaker 2 (44:11):
No, set the scene for us, man, What are you
looking at right now after this Eagles victory?

Speaker 5 (44:18):
Yeah, I'll tell you where I am. Truly, I am
sitting on the Philadelphia Eagles bench at about the forty
five yard line of the super Dome right now. The
Eagles locker room was going crazy. We didn't have access
and if you guys remember the NFL really put some
strict restrictions down when the guy stole the jersey in
Houston and Tom Brady's jersey.

Speaker 6 (44:38):
We hears fact.

Speaker 5 (44:39):
So we do a lot of our stuff on the
field and whatnot, and so that's where I've been camped out.
So Willard, truly, I'm sitting on the Eagles bench right
now on the supercom field.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
One.

Speaker 4 (44:49):
That's a sick brag, Dan Byer, I'm not gonna lie.

Speaker 6 (44:52):
Two.

Speaker 4 (44:53):
You know I asked Willard this a minute ago. Is
it's just my opinion? People could disagree.

Speaker 3 (44:58):
I felt like within about two or three possessions, I
just felt like Kansas City cannot block this team. I
know it's Mahomes. I know you don't bet against him,
and I know you don't bet on him. You don't
bet against him coming back from a double digit deficit.
I actually thought this one was over pretty quick. I
just didn't think they could block Kansas City or Kansa
City couldn't blocked Philly. Two part question for you, One

(45:20):
was it was it obvious in the building? And two
did you get a sense pretty early that that was
going to be.

Speaker 5 (45:26):
The expect Well I did tweet when Cooper Justine ticked
off Mahomes to run it back that I thought it
was over. Kansas City had no desire to run the football.
They didn't even spry to run the football. I don't
know if they could if they tried, but they didn't.
And to make it a one dimensional game, and that's
with Kansas City. That's a way that you could beat

(45:48):
him when they're not controlling clock. So if you're down
seventeen to nothing, and now Philadelphia knows you're going to
have to throw, and you guys touched on it. I
mean they were in mahomes face all night long without
ever having to blit. And the crazy thing about it was,
at least in Super Bowl fifty five with the Buccaneers,
the Chiefs could say, well, we didn't have Eric Fisher
and we did have Mitchell Schwartz. There's not much of

(46:11):
an excuse this time around, and maybe we'd get credit
to Philadelphia. But yeah, after the turnover that was returned,
after the pick six, I felt that there was no
way that Kansas City was going to come back. And
I laughed because when people were bringing up to twenty
eight to three, and Aaron, you know this because I
talked to you last night about this, and Mark, I
don't know if you feel the same, but it was
completely a completely different scenario in that situation where Philadelphia

(46:36):
was just physically dominating Kansas City on both sides of
the ball. So now you have a scenario where the
Eagles are up seventeen to nothing and they're physically dominating
and wearing Kansas City down. There was no recipe. The
fountains were gas at least in Houston in that twenty
eight to three game, which is part of the problem.
Why you wonder why Kyle Shanahan was throwing the ball

(46:58):
at times, But yeah, there was no There was no
comparison to what happened eight years ago. I thought the
thing was over at seventeen nothing.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
Yeah, I'll say that when it was twenty eighty three,
I'm not going to say that I was predicting a
Patriots comeback. But this sucker at halftime was absolutely done.
And Dan, you just brought it up. And I wonder
if anybody around the stadium is buzzing with some answers.
The Chiefs handed the ball off to running backs tonight
seven times. That's it. And I understand that they fell behind,

(47:29):
But what do you think happened there?

Speaker 5 (47:32):
I have no idea. Isaah p Checko, since he returned
from his injury that cost him most of the regular season,
was a non factor pretty much for Kansas City. I
don't know if they didn't trust him holding onto the football.
I don't know the scenario there. I mean, Kareem Hunt
was their main bulk carrier and he was brought it
in the middle of even and it's crazy to think

(47:54):
that you could have a game plan that is going
to be solely on the arm of Patrick Mahome in
Philadelphia blew it up in the first quarter. I don't
I you at least have to try to run the football.
I don't care if it doesn't work. You at least
have to try to run the football and show some
semblance of balance. But that wasn't the case at all Philadelphia.

(48:17):
Mark had eighteen rushing attempts compared to Kansas City's one
at one point, and Philadelphia was winning at that point.
I think it was seventeen to zerial, but it was
eighteen to one in rushing attempts in the first half
at one point. That's just unacceptable.

Speaker 3 (48:33):
Dan uh kind of a strange question. But you know
I said I felt this all week, or really the
last two weeks. Is you know I was lucky enough
to fill in for Willer two weeks ago during the
AFC Championship game with Ephraim and Ephram started calling it
out right away. They're scared. This is the Buffalo we're talking.
They're scared. They're scared. They're scared. And I do feel
like there seems to be an intimidation factor with the

(48:55):
AFC teams that face case year over year. What was
it like being around Philly all week? Because I never
got the sense that, you know, they were intimidated by
the moment or the jersey or the opponent.

Speaker 4 (49:08):
And I know it's easy to say these guys are professionals.

Speaker 6 (49:11):
No one is.

Speaker 3 (49:12):
But you watch Buffalo against Kansas City, San Francisco's blown
two leads in a Super Bowl and Philly just laid
it on them and never let up tonight.

Speaker 5 (49:20):
Yeah, I hate to say it, and Mark and maybe
speak even better on the forty nine ers situation, but
I do think with the Buffalo Bills, it's oh, here
we go again, or what could happen to us again?
And so you don't get the first down in that
scenario on that fourth quarter and you're thinking, oh my goodness,
it's going to happen to us again. We're about to
have it happened. It was a storyline this week with
Philadelphia guys on how they should have probably won Super

(49:43):
Bowl fifty seven. The Hurts bubble obviously cost them. I
don't think that that's the play, but you know, Philadelphia
would have loved to have had the ball back if
there wasn't a late penalty in that game. I think
a lot of people felt that Philadelphia played better at
least even with Kansas City and Super Bowl fifty seven,
So there.

Speaker 6 (49:59):
Was that motivation going in.

Speaker 5 (50:01):
So I don't think that they they had that where
it was they did anything wrong in that game. I
feel that they felt that they probably outplayed them, and
maybe unlike a Buffalo, were saying or weren't saying, oh no,
this is gonna happen to us again. They just decided
to take care of business our own.

Speaker 2 (50:18):
Dan Byer is not just on the scene, he's literally
on the Eagles bench as he's talking with us from
Nola right here on Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 8 (50:27):
Hey, Dan, we know that the labels changed reputations and
Jalen Hurts started out the year a guy that was
battling booze inside his own building.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
He ends the year as a Super Bowl champ at
a Super Bowl MVP. How do you think the world
views Jalen differently?

Speaker 5 (50:46):
Now, Well, I'll tell you what, and I was wrong
about this. I pick the Eagles to win the game,
but I almost felt like Jalen Hurts was in a
no win situation because I felt Sakuon would get a
lot of the hype if they ended up winning game,
but the Eagles excuse me, the Chiefs kept Saquon and
Check for the most parts tonight. And I do think
the thing shapes down with Jalen Hurts in terms of,

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all right, he's got the Super Bowl, he did it
on the biggest stage and has a Super Bowl MVP.
But remember this is the NFL and specifically this is
Philadelphia Shelby. So the love fest unlike a you know,
a Nick Boles, which is the the backup comes in
and leads the team to this great story. I don't
think Jalen the Hurts gets that sort of leeway because

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he's the starter. I'm gonna give him. He'll be a
Philly legend in his time, but that won't happen until
he's done playing. I still think that there are gaps,
but he's gonna want to run.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
It back next year.

Speaker 5 (51:41):
There's no reason why they shouldn't. And so he's still
going to be end of the microscope. So if things
aren't clicking like they they could work last year, the
honeymoon will be over quick for Jalen Hurts. Unfortunate. I
ain't saying that thirty minutes after he just won Super
Bowl MVP, but I think it's the reality playing in Philadelphia.

Speaker 6 (51:57):
Dan.

Speaker 3 (51:58):
Not sure if you got any of the press conference
or whatever, but specifically from the KSE side, I mean,
they've lost not many games like this, and certainly not
in the manner that they lost. I mean it's cliche.
I know they were down, but were they as shocked
at the result as pretty much.

Speaker 4 (52:13):
The rest of us were.

Speaker 5 (52:15):
Yeah, And I did not get a chance to hear
from it, but I would say, not only are they shocked,
I have a feeling that they're probably exhausted and this
is just one game. Like I mean, for a lot
of the core guys, it's three years and I remember,
you know, one of my one of my favorite thirty
for thirties was the one about the Buffalo Bills and
they're four straight Super Bowls, and I think it was

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Jim Kelly or Thurman Thomas mentioned they were playing Dallas
the second time around to the fourth Super Bowl. They're
actually leading at halftime and they're like, we were spent.
It was over, we weren't gonna win, Like it was
everything that happened in the year's past.

Speaker 6 (52:49):
It was just it was done. And I kind of
got that.

Speaker 5 (52:52):
Dense with Kansas City as well, because if you look
at closing the gap here, this isn't just adding one
or two players, This is trying to fix the off
fitsive line. At some point you're going to have to
replace Travis Kelsey and guys. The obvious part. You got
to figure out a running game at least somehow to
help Patrick Malmes out. So I think they just were
probably exhausted. I didn't get to hear it first hand,

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but I wouldn't be shocked if we hear that down
the line of maybe when they got to this point
it was just too much.

Speaker 2 (53:20):
Dan, I do wonder what you project for them going forward.
And maybe it's a little early for this, but you know,
the last time they lost the Super Bowl, they responded
by winning the next two and getting to all of
them since then. Now, the Eagles lost a Super Bowl
and they came out the next year and had a

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down year in the end, the Niners lost a Super Bowl,
had a disaster, a Super Bowl hangover, do your fir see,
based on what you just said, a super Bowl hangover
for the Chiefs next year.

Speaker 5 (53:52):
Yeah, I think there's got to be some portion of it.
I know that Bengals game that they lost was close,
and when Cincinnati went super Bowl fifty six. But I
think it's just human nature. And then if you want
to put the previous Super Bowls with this, I mean
with this corps, at some point there's going to need there's.

Speaker 2 (54:08):
Going to have to be a change.

Speaker 6 (54:10):
You know.

Speaker 5 (54:10):
Tom Brady talked about it throughout the week at his
Fox hit. So when you go to the Super Bowl
and you lose to the Giants the first time and
then you realize that, okay, then you lose again in
super Bowl forty six, and then you go to super
Bowl forty eight, there, excuse me, super Bowl forty nine,
and it had been a decade, so they had two
losses at that point. And I don't know if Kansas
City set up for that sort of thing, but the

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Patriots had an early window and then there was a gap,
which really was and so I wonder if that happens
with Kansas City. I don't think there'll be as much
finger pointing as there was in Philadelphia when they lost
two years ago, and maybe having the discord there because
you have your answer Q quarterback. And I think that
Andy Reid runs a pretty good ship but yeah, I
think there's going to be some sort of hangover. I

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don't know how much finger pointing.

Speaker 2 (54:55):
There's going to be last one for me.

Speaker 3 (54:57):
Dan just the vibes vibes with Sirianni specifically, because you know,
we all see the outside narrative.

Speaker 4 (55:05):
But it feels like the players love him.

Speaker 3 (55:08):
I mean, we were watching the live TV and there
was a line to throw gatorade on him, and there
were It feels like the perception of him is different
than the fifty three guys in that locker room.

Speaker 4 (55:19):
Feel about him.

Speaker 5 (55:21):
You're right, I think that the perception that we got
now when we have him as a Super Bowl champion.
I was up about the postgame cameras on the field afterwards,
when they're bringing players up first after person went up
to Nick Sirianni. I haven't been kind to him, and
talking on Fox Sports Radio, I heard people use the
term CEO this week and I kind of laughed because

(55:42):
I just I didn't see him as the CEO type.
But there's sure seemed to be a sense of relief,
and there are actually sure seemed to be a bunch
of people pulling for him.

Speaker 2 (55:50):
Now.

Speaker 5 (55:50):
I think it's up to Nick Sirianni either continue or
just to see how he carries on as a Super
Bowl champion head coach, because he hasn't done himself favors
with his actions on the side blind than another points
as the Eagles head coach. But now that you're a
Super Bowl winner, not to make a cop out of it,
but it'll be up to him to determine that. But
I was surprised at how many people went up to

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Nick Sirianni that weren't Eagles people, that were just general
people that were happy for Nick Sirianni and congratulating him.
And he's got something that you can't take away from him,
that's a Super Bowl ring as a head coach. So
like him or not, he's a champion tonight, and.

Speaker 2 (56:27):
We cannot take away from you that in the shadow
of the Super Bowl, you're sitting on the bench like
Big Dom. Unbelievable.

Speaker 6 (56:36):
Dan.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
Great to have you man, Thanks for all the work
all week long, and thanks for this tonight.

Speaker 5 (56:41):
You know what, guys, thank you so much. And I'm
actually just going to text you both a picture of
me on the bench doing my interview with you guys.

Speaker 6 (56:48):
Okay, you get line.

Speaker 3 (56:49):
See if they'll give you a ring when it's all
sad and downe it's going for the like everybody else did.

Speaker 5 (56:55):
Yeah, great stuff, Thanks guys, appreciate.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
It, all right? Dan, all right, there he goes, he's fancy.
That's Dan Byer on the scene in New Orleans. Great stuff. Okay,
coming up, more of the postgame Super Bowl party. Mark Willard,
Aaron Torres and I want to get to this a
little bit of a continuation of what we were just
talking about, because I really think the whole year, not
just this game, was sort of another change in the

(57:22):
way NFL teams are going to want to do roster construction.
I'll explain that a little bit coming up next on
Fox Sports Radio. The Eagles of Super Bowl champs, the
three peat is not happening. We're livingthe tie rack dot
com studios. We're talking all of it out. What does

(57:42):
it mean for the Chiefs, the Eagles, the individuals, the
league as a whole. There's a lot of interesting stuff
that came down today and this week that didn't even
have anything to do with the Super Bowl. So we're
gonna get to all of it. But it is a
game changing night for the Eagles. Franchi for the individual
players for the city of Philadelphia. We want to bring

(58:05):
in our man who's with FSR in Philadelphia. Sean Brace
is joining us right now live on Fox Sports Radio. Sean,
it's great to have you tonight. How are you.

Speaker 6 (58:19):
Well, gentlemen, City of Winners coming see you live another.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
Well, tell me about City of Winners, because what I
heard at the beginning of the year was, Sirianni's days
are numbered. We're not sure if Jalen Hurts is the
right guy. How do the narratives at the beginning of
the year, how do those change now?

Speaker 6 (58:46):
Sean oh cay drastically obviously, you know, with the Super
Bowl championship. But you know, look, he was he's always
been a polarizing figure and he's one that will always
catch the clicks. So everybody's quick to point out. And
he plays the quarterback position, no doubt about it. But
for the majority of people realize how good Jalen is is.

(59:06):
He a guy that can go out there and I
mean he really could. He can do it either way
you need him to. But he's so just dynamic and
he makes plays with his legs and he picks up
those tough yards with the brotherly shove. And but then,
like I said, if you need him to go out
there and find aj Brown or read that defense and
know exactly where he's going. He's a very brilliant quarterback
at the line of scrimmage with the adjustments. He's just

(59:29):
been proving any doubters wrong. And you know, look, I didn't.
I wasn't the biggest fan of the head coach, but
I never doubted the quarterback. He's always been special. Two
trips through the Super Bowl, now Super Bowl champion.

Speaker 3 (59:41):
Sean, So you joined me and Jason Martin on our
show on Saturday, Mary Play for America. What Sean said
when I asked him about this game we got to
run thirty seconds.

Speaker 4 (59:52):
We know you like Philly, but what do you think
the final scores?

Speaker 6 (59:54):
I think the Birds so forty plus. I think they
snack him. They're a better football team. Going to show
it tomorrow. I'll say forty one twenty seven Birds on top. Wow.

Speaker 4 (01:00:06):
I mean, that's that's pretty good, Sean Brace.

Speaker 3 (01:00:08):
I mean, what was it that gave you so much
confidence in your team, your quarterback, your head coach. Forty
one to twenty seven was your prediction? Forty to twenty
two with the Birds heading forty What led you to believe?

Speaker 4 (01:00:21):
What led you to all that confidence last night when
we talked to you, oh.

Speaker 6 (01:00:25):
Man, appreciate it, Aaron, Yeah. Look, you know they were
up forty to six at one point tonight, and even
I didn't think it would be like that bad of
a performance by the Cancer the Chiefs, but just point
out from the standpoint of the offense, he just felt
like that what we saw against the Commanders wasn't a
surprise if you've been paying attention, like this team is

(01:00:47):
very capable of and when you dangle a prize such as, hey,
you win this game, you get to the super Bowl. Okay,
now it's on a different level that game. That changes
it a little bit. Now you could have lost in
the playoffs, of course, but it's something different. And of
course the same way with the Super Bowl. You dangle
a Super Bowl champions you can never take it away.
You just knew that those special players are gonna make

(01:01:08):
big time plays. Offensive line has just been monsters. They
eat all game long. Jalen's ad very good quarterback. Whatever
you need him to do, he'll get the job done.
We know what Saque's ability is and of course AJ.
So it started for me with the offense, but I
did feel like the defense, and I told you the
secondary specifically was going to be in the back pockets

(01:01:29):
of those wide receivers. I just was not enamored with
the speed of Travis Kelcey at this point in time
of his career. He's fantastic, but man, he's a little slow.
I'll tell you what. Watch fifty seven and then watch
that Super Bowl and you could see the difference two
years separating the two games, and you see Kelsey just
dropping up just a dad. But none of those receivers

(01:01:49):
scared me. So I felt like the Eagles were the
better football team top to bottom. Didn't see Mahomes playing
as poorly as he did, but always felt confident that
the Eagles were going to score a bunch of points.
Who's gonna be tough to match.

Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
When there's no question, And you know, looking around at
the lay of the land for the Eagles now, from
Hurts to Barkley to those receivers to a lot of
these young key players on defense, it looks like things
are in place going forward for the Eagles, which will
lead to a lot of talk about, Hey, the band's

(01:02:22):
all back, they'll repeat and all that, but like, what
is what's on the off season to do list for
this team?

Speaker 6 (01:02:30):
But it's great, you know when you've got a guy
like Howie Roseman who just continues to hit when it
comes to the draft and getting the free agency. Now Saquon,
it doesn't take a genius to say, hey, I bet
you an unbelievable running back would be really good behind
this offensive line with Jeff Stoutland the offensive line coach,

(01:02:51):
who could very well in them in the Hall of Fame.
That's how unbelievable of a coach he is. Like I said,
Howie Roseman has been pulling all the right triggers from
the draft to the offseason to signings, you know, to
the backup quarterbacks, like right now with Kenny Pickett, who
knows what he's able to get with him, and you know,
I just feel like what how He's going to do

(01:03:13):
is probably look to go to the defense, try and
fill in the need. As far as that rusher you
lose Brandon Graham. But for the most part, like you said,
with Quinnon, Mitchell, Cooper Dejen both rookie quarterbacks there, Zach
Ball would be the big question mark because he was
an All Pro linebacker this year, and I would imagine
his phone's gonna be ringing off. But I just don't

(01:03:33):
know if he's to be able to match him. But
hopefully how we can bring him back offensively. They're ready
to roll. Nobody's leaving. And that's another thing about Ali
Roseman is he seems to never find himself in the
same conversations that the Cowboys always do. Like Lamb no Ceedee,
Lamb was aj Brown, he was paid. You know, DeVante
Smith was drafted, but he goes he's been taken care of.

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Howie Roseman never finds himself in those positions, yet the
players are always satisfied with the money going at that
point in time. So he set himself up for success
and man, he's he's getting the accolades. A lot of
people sing the praise Howie roseveand these days, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:04:09):
It's funny.

Speaker 3 (01:04:10):
I was going to ask you about Howie Roseman, but
you covered exactly what I was looking for. I want
to ask you about a sort of a random question,
but an individual player is Jalen Carter falls to you
guys in the draft. We know there were some issues
pre draft, but we also know, one, most people believed
he was the best player in that draft. And two,
you know, Mark and I have references a few times,
but they had a lot of his Georgia teammates in

(01:04:31):
Philadelphia that kind of felt like they could, you know,
just make sure that there was no funny business when
he left the facility. He's he's phenomenal, and that he
was one of the reasons that I like Philadelphia to
win this game. I didn't know if he could be blocked.
But what has how has the response been to him
in the city. It seems like he's doing everything right
and putting whatever happened in the past behind him.

Speaker 6 (01:04:52):
Oh absolutely, you know, from from day one, everybody just
was blown away by the fact that he dropped, Like
you pointed out, how how is this pop? And he
was number one on a lot of people's targets. And
once the draft started happening and he was sliding, it
was there and it was a no brainer. And in
that same draft, it's just the way to how he
continued and pulled all the right triggers. As we were

(01:05:13):
just discussing, But Jalen Carter, he is so important and
he's showing his worth every single time he's out there,
regardless if he can get into the backfield or not.
He's always commanding double teams. And you saw the Rams game,
he won a few of those to at least like
hold it down at the end of the game. The
commanders not so much. In that Green Bay Packers game,

(01:05:35):
he was getting double team to Tons. But you know
what happens, and he get double team, you free it
up for somebody else on the defensive line, and guys
like Nolan Smith have come around. We talked about Josh
Swett on Saturday. He led the team in Sackson regular
season eight and a half, so no surprise to see
him have a career night. I'm sure he's going to
get a few phone calls this offseason. But you know,
it's the crazy thing about tonight, guys, was that they

(01:05:58):
didn't blitz. Fangio did not blitz. There's forty two dropbacks.
He rushed four every single time they rushed. They got
after my home sixteen under forty two times rushing four
six sacks. Like It's just crazy how it all played
out today. The Eagles were just ready, you know, to
slay the dragon. And I'm sure there was a little

(01:06:19):
bit of motivation. Two weeks all you heard about was
three p oh. I'll take Patrick Mahomes over jail and
it hurts all day.

Speaker 5 (01:06:25):
Read over Syria.

Speaker 6 (01:06:26):
Okay, okay, Super Bowl fifty nine champions and they slayed
the Dragons.

Speaker 2 (01:06:32):
Sol brace FSR. Philly is with us. I know there's
one thing that all cities but one in America can
agree on is a good thing, and that is that
the Dallas Cowboys are not projected to be first or
second next year in the NFC East. Tell me where
we're going. What is budding here between the Eagles and

(01:06:53):
the Commanders starting next year.

Speaker 6 (01:06:56):
Oh, that's a good one. Yeah, that's a good one.
And especially if the Commanders go out and I'm sure
there's going to be some receivers out there that want
to go and play with that instut of a quarterback
in Jade and Daniels. So, you know, just as far
as what you saw in this game, it's hard to
believe that the Commanders actually gave the Eagles a better
game than the Chiefs did. Like it's just it's wild

(01:07:17):
to really think about it like that. But you know,
the Commanders are a good squat that's definitely going to
be the team that everyone's going to be talking about
next year. Who knows what the Giants would do with
the draft, whether or not they can get shor Sanders
or some other quarterback that they'll settle with it later.
But it will be all eyes right now on the
Commanders and the Eagles next year.

Speaker 4 (01:07:37):
I believe that last one for me, Sean.

Speaker 3 (01:07:39):
Since we're going a little bit off of tonight, let
me just ask you, how many days do you get
to ride this one out and celebrate a championship before
you're forced to talk about the Philadelphia seventy six ers.

Speaker 4 (01:07:49):
Are we just not talking about them the rest of
the year or what?

Speaker 2 (01:07:52):
I love it?

Speaker 6 (01:07:53):
I love it. Well, I'll tell you what. The parade
was originally scheduled for Thursday, but we're supposed to get snow,
pushing it back to Friday. I don't know, but we're
gonna milk this one out. And the best part about
it is everybody will be talking about us all throughout
the course of the offseason, right up to that opening
kickoff on Thursday night football, you know, And it's just

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a great thing when your team is on the top.
It happened in twenty seventeen, Jeffrey Laurie and Howie Roseman
have just put together a heck of a program, heck
of a franchise. They deserve all the credit in the world.
Tough decisions, drafting Jalen Hurts after the Carson went Steel,
getting out of the Carson Win steal, getting guys like
Sakuon Barkley in the mix, believing that Philadelphi is a

(01:08:39):
better spot than the New York Giants. So it's just
been a great run. Twenty seventeen. They got over to
hump of course, two years ago, came up just short
back on top. Beautiful thing.

Speaker 2 (01:08:50):
Sean, I won't make you talk about the seventy six ers,
but you do need to answer this. When something like
this happens, how long is the Philadelphia sports fan happy?
Two days, three days? How long does it take before
everybody's mad again?

Speaker 6 (01:09:06):
Oh, I'll tell you a lot, man, It's a different
world when the Eagles, when it is a different world.
It's never happened. Like I said twenty seventeen, it was crazy.
We all got along for a long time. I believe
that there was nobody call for anybody's head in twenty seventeen.

Speaker 5 (01:09:20):
But yeah, look, I think We're going to enjoy this one.

Speaker 6 (01:09:24):
For a few days. Just how dominant they were, and
they were a special team from start to finish. They
really were. And that's why a lot of people were
upset with Heirianno a little bit at the beginning, because
you knew how much talent was on this team. You
could not waste this opportunity. So just so happy they
were able to do it, and looking forward to this
next week.

Speaker 2 (01:09:42):
Boys, well, Sean, wonderful to.

Speaker 6 (01:09:46):
Have you man.

Speaker 2 (01:09:46):
Really appreciate your time. Congratulations to the city of Philadelphia.

Speaker 6 (01:09:51):
I can't thank you guys enough. Appreciate it and we'll
catch up down the road. Appreciate it as always, Aaron.

Speaker 4 (01:09:56):
Thank you sir.

Speaker 2 (01:09:57):
There it is Sean brace fs. I saw Philly. Seems
like a very happy boy.

Speaker 4 (01:10:03):
But I had a few Philly Specials here while he
was waiting for us.

Speaker 2 (01:10:07):
That means something different than it did a few years ago,
doesn't It's not the same this year.

Speaker 3 (01:10:13):
No, I knew we were getting Dan Byer. At some
point I said, don't drink. I texted him, I said,
don't drink too many Philly Specials before we get you
on air.

Speaker 4 (01:10:20):
But no, I think you know one I appreciate Sean.

Speaker 3 (01:10:24):
He's been coming on our Saturday show the last couple
of weeks and to you know the point, and I
know we have another hour and a half to break
this thing down from every angle. The thing that stands
out to me Howie Roseman. Dude, that guy multiple coaches,
multiple regimes. And I think the thing we talked about
in hour one his ability to identify talent get value
later in the draft. I think that's the secret sauce

(01:10:47):
to Philly, but an incredible win that I know we
got another hour and a half.

Speaker 4 (01:10:50):
To talk about.

Speaker 2 (01:10:51):
Yeah, no doubt about it. And I know you know
Andrew Brandt, who is a former exec with the Green
Bay Packers and in the longtime NFL media men and
now does things in the area there I think at
Villanova kind of running things for young, up and coming
people in the media industry. And one thing I noticed

(01:11:11):
him say tonight on Twitter, he said, Howie Roseman being
the guy that runs your organization is just a flat
out advantage over most of the other teams. And there's
no doubt you look at at the way the drafts
specifically affected this game tonight, the way free agency specifically

(01:11:33):
affected this game tonight. It's just yeah, it's a well
constructed group. He deserves a lot of credit.

Speaker 3 (01:11:39):
Yeah, And I was thinking this too, is that it
is interesting we spend so much time on the AFC
because of the great quarterbacks, but the two, you know,
I would say, right, I think it goes out saying
the two probably best teams position by position, player for player,
probably Philly in Detroit, And you know, Detroit easily could
have been here. We could be talking about Brad Holmes

(01:12:01):
in the same manner. But yeah, Howie Roseman, Brad Holmes.
I'm just so impressed by, like the depth of these teams,
the quality of dudes. Obviously Tonight's on and Nights to
Truck talk about the Lions. But I think it is
interesting kind of the sum of the parts in the
NFC compared to the AFC, where there's so many great quarterbacks.

Speaker 2 (01:12:17):
Yeah, well this is I mean, this is a game changer.
With all of these teams that have had such a
hard time to throning the Chiefs, to have an NFC
team come in and do it so easily certainly makes
you stop and think a little bit. So that roster
construction about these teams you're talking about. I think there
have been a lot of changes this year based on

(01:12:39):
what happened this year, A lot of changes are coming
in terms of what teams are going to value. We'll
get back to that conversation coming up next with Aaron
Torres Mark Willard. This is Fox Sports Radio. So you
know what, the good thing about this is, there's no questions.
The bad thing about this is, you know, for the

(01:13:02):
first time in a handful of years now, we did
not get a very entertaining Super Bowl and that used
to be the thing that used to be the norm
for whatever reason, and of late these games have been
really close, not tonight.

Speaker 3 (01:13:16):
It's actually really funny you say that. I was telling
Dissager and my partner Jason Martin last night. My in
laws are not from the United States, so they have
no real affiliation with professional football. I bring it up
because we had only had them over for the Super
Bowl one other time prior to this, and it was
that Rams Patriots super Bowl where the final score was
like thirteen to nine.

Speaker 2 (01:13:37):
Or three I think it was, yeah, yeah, something like that.

Speaker 3 (01:13:40):
Yeah, And so I told to say, I'm like, I'm
praying for a more entertaining game.

Speaker 4 (01:13:45):
And guess what it was.

Speaker 3 (01:13:47):
It was at least a little bit entertaining. But they
were packing up by the half. They were like, all right,
we all got to work tomorrow. We're gonna get out
of our bike. Can we get an entertaining game so
these people can enjoy this wonderful sport, because every time
I tell them how great this sport is, it's a
completely one sided game, ugly game whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:14:02):
So well, at least you got points, yes, yeah, points
this time. It's just that they all went to.

Speaker 4 (01:14:07):
The same time, so that yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:14:10):
And by the way, the whole work tomorrow thing. This
is actually the hidden argument that I'd like the NFL
to use when they go to the players Union and
they're like, so about that eighteen game schedule. I want
everybody to just grab a calendar and look at what
next Monday is. For those of you who don't have

(01:14:30):
in front of you, it's called President's Day and it
is often a company holiday for many places around America.
Very simple, if we just move this thing one more week,
we will at long last get what America deserves, a
day off after the super Bowl.

Speaker 3 (01:14:53):
Nope, I mean there's a you know, it's like talking
about breaking down this game if Philadelphia kicked the button.
Next question, should we have the day off after the
super Bowl? Next question, Yes, we absolutely should.

Speaker 4 (01:15:06):
And listen.

Speaker 3 (01:15:07):
I know, I know others have brought it up, but
when you explain it like that, it's like man oh Man,
and you know, listen the NFL season, Like the NFL
does every I know, you could criticize goodel what they
basically do everything right, Like even I was watching the
pregame show today. They honor this group, they honor that
group like they do it all right. Just let's get
one more week on the calendar. We're all locked in.

(01:15:29):
We're all gonna miss football as it is, so give
us another week and then also give us the day
off after that feels like the platform that everybody can
get behind.

Speaker 2 (01:15:37):
You heard your boy Sean. Does he sound like he's
ready for walk in the morning.

Speaker 4 (01:15:43):
He's good.

Speaker 3 (01:15:43):
Yeah, I mean he's gonna be going live. I don't
even know how many hours from now, but he seemed
like he was. He seemed like he had a good
time tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:15:50):
That's awesome, Which is awesome. This is awesome, good for
everybody in Philadelphia. It couldn't happen to a nicer fan base.
I'm telling you, man, go get Miles Garrett. Here's what
I'm looking at. And Ephraim's been really good about this

(01:16:11):
all year long. If you look around the league, if
this is not just Philadelphia, they might be exhibit A.
But I'd argue Baltimore is Exhibit one A. And we
could do this in a lot of other places too,
From Josh Jacobs to Aaron Jones. It starts with Derek
Henry and Saquon Barkley. Though, look around the league this

(01:16:34):
year at how many running backs we're told, eh, yeah,
really not interested in paying you. We think you're replaceable. Henry, Barkley,
the other two I just mentioned, from Josh Jacobs and
Aaron Jones, Joe Mixon, so many running backs around this league.

(01:16:59):
Look at the guys with the Chargers, Edwards and Dobbit
just going to say them. Yet all over the league
running backs were told yeah, you're not very important. And
every single one of those guys I just mentioned they
all have one thing in common. They all went to
the playoffs.

Speaker 9 (01:17:19):
Meantime, before the year, we couldn't stop arguing with each
other over whether that wide receivers should get twenty eight
or twenty nine or thirty or thirty one or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:17:34):
Add that into what we just saw tonight with a
dominant performance by both lines for the Eagles, I think
it's time to stop getting all into the glitz and
the glamour when it comes to roster construction.

Speaker 3 (01:17:47):
By the way, you sound like a man who spent
three straight months talking about a hypothetical Brandon Ayuk extension
on San Francisco sports talk radio.

Speaker 2 (01:17:55):
Do I sound like that? Yeah, yes, yes, And the
only thing you messed up there was I think it
was four or five months, not three and a half months.
And then in the shadow of all of that, we
wake up to a Deebo Samuel trade request today now.

Speaker 3 (01:18:09):
But I will say I do think this proves again
we talked about it earlier. Sports are cyclical. We talked
about your great Warriors teams. Everybody wanted to be the Warriors.
Now it feels like Jokich is coming up, Giannis whoever,
it's kind of more. You know, Jason Tatum with the
mid range game, it's not all three three three three threes.
And I think we're seeing that in football. Is that
the way to beat Mahomes is it necessarily to outscore

(01:18:32):
him and put up fifty. Because by the way, Casey's
offense wasn't great all year, but their defense was great
in Philadelphia, it was the defense in the run game
all year. You go to Detroit, we talked about them
and it does feel like a sport that is shifting
back to.

Speaker 4 (01:18:47):
Kind of what we grew up on on defensive run team.

Speaker 2 (01:18:50):
And we'll see like that, Yeah, that might be the
flavor of the moment. We'll see. Maybe it always does
kind of be cyclical, it comes back around, but in
the mo that's how it feels. I want to get
to this coming up next. So because that was the
last game, people will say that was the real Chiefs.
Is that fair? That's next off We go deep into

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That's sort of the question. I think. I go to
bed with tonight, Aaron, and it's this in a year

(01:20:00):
that I felt a game like that was coming all along,
but then it never did until the very end, and
then it did. You walk away, and I know this
will sound offensive and silly to somebody. You walk away going,
who are the real Chiefs? Look what, I know, they're good.
I mean, that's stupid. They go to the Super Bowl

(01:20:22):
almost every year, they went fifteen to two. They just
beat two high level playoff opponents in their building to
get to this point. I know they're not just good.
I know they're great. I realize that, but I just
want to spotlight this Chiefs team. Forget all the previous years.
This year's chief squad looked underwhelming all the time in

(01:20:46):
being overwhelming with their record, and then they get to
a super Bowl and literally, brother, they are not even competitive,
and so it makes you stop and wonder again, like
I don't know where where did this all go wrong?
Because once they fell behind and ran the ball only

(01:21:07):
seven times to their running backs. It was clear that
this team's offensive firepower was severely lacking.

Speaker 3 (01:21:15):
It was, you know, and it's crazy because you know,
you sit there and over the course of the season,
you feel like, okay, underwhelming whatever.

Speaker 4 (01:21:22):
It is kind of jarring.

Speaker 2 (01:21:23):
Though.

Speaker 3 (01:21:24):
While you were setting that up, Willard, I went ahead
and looked back of their fifteen regular season wins.

Speaker 2 (01:21:32):
Uh huh.

Speaker 3 (01:21:33):
Eleven came by one possession. Now, some of them were
a touchdown, some of them were eight points. But you know, again,
you go three points, two points, two points, three points.
It's just and I'm with you, is listen. I give
them credit for one the cliche championship medal, this, that
the other thing. But I do give them credit because
I think that you know, I'll never discredit a team

(01:21:56):
for finding ways to win one. But two, I think
that Andy Reid, Patrick Mahomes, I think it really stood
out in the AFC Championship game. And I know that's
kind of a weird thing to say, because I know
that they scored more points in the AFC Championship game
than they did all year. But you watched how they
play the game. They don't have those great deep threats
Xavior Worthy may get there one day. He's not there yet.

(01:22:18):
They don't, you know, Travis Kelcey isn't the guy that
he was even two three years ago. And so I
think pretty early they realized we have to win ugly,
we have to control the clock, you know, And I
reference the AFC Championship game because there were two three
four times in that game where they needed a first
down to kind of keep the clock moving whatever, twice
on the final possession, and they always had the right
play call. But well, I think we have to give

(01:22:41):
them credit for fighting a way to win all those
close games. I'm with you, is I know that there
would have been conversations if you finish fifteen and two
in the regular season, only one loss all year, when
you're playing all of your best players, like there would
have had to be a conversation where do they rank
all I never, like no one ever thought that they

(01:23:03):
were an all time great team and finally caught up
with them. You want to give them credit for finding
ways to win, and I think realizing who they were
pretty early. But to as you said to lead this
show two hours ago, you felt all year long like
at some point they just couldn't keep pulling rabbits out
of their hat, and today it became pretty obvious pretty

(01:23:24):
early that they were not going to be able to
do the same this evening.

Speaker 2 (01:23:26):
I mean, I'm looking at these games and look at it. Yeah,
I know that the stat you're talking about about so
many of them being one score games, but I think
it goes even a step further. There's at least four
or five of these where I sit here at the
end of the year and I'm not even a fan
of this team or the teams they went against or whatever.

(01:23:46):
I could point out four or five games where I
remember the ending of the game and You're like, how
the hell did they just win that? How did they
do that? It started on Opening night was Isaiah Likely's toe,
Isaiah Likely's toe. And then the very next week they

(01:24:08):
go on I think a rain soaked drive and they
beat Cincinnati by one point with a last second long
field goal by Harrison Buker. I can think of the
game against the Raiders on Black Friday with the Raiders,
instead of going out to kick a field goal, just

(01:24:29):
completely messed up the play calling and had the clock
run out on them. The overtime game against Tampa was
a rabbit out of the hat, as you put it,
the blocked field goal that was a chip shot against
the Denver Broncos on November tenth. I mean, that's five
games right there, and that does not cover all of

(01:24:51):
the of the close games like it was one week
after another. I'm not saying I saw a game where
they'd ever be down forty to six. But if you
ask me at any point this year, do you think
the Chiefs are the best team in the NFL this year,
There's never been one day on the calendar where I

(01:25:13):
would have answered yes, yes.

Speaker 3 (01:25:15):
And I think that goes to what I said a
minute ago. Two things can be true, is you give
them credit for winning all of those games. Yeah, But
and maybe this would have been maybe we would have
felt different. And obviously I think people would have felt
different if they had, even if they won the AFC,
if they had lost three or four of those games
and they're coming in at, you know whatever, eleven and
six in the regular season instead of fifteen to two.

(01:25:37):
Let me ask you a question sort of related, but
sort of not really, because I was thinking about this
during the game and I didn't really know how to
kind of frame it for this show, or frame it
for a clever tweet or whatever.

Speaker 4 (01:25:49):
How do you feel if you're the Buffalo Bills right now?

Speaker 3 (01:25:51):
Oh God, because like this isn't This wasn't a vintage
team all year to your exact point. And again, I
just go back to that AFC Championship game where Sean Listen,
Ephram and I were on air. I don't know what
your perspective was. I still stand by what I said
that night. I thought Sean McDermott was intimidated. I thought

(01:26:12):
he lost them in the game with all the bad
push pushes that clearly weren't working, taking points off the
board in the first half, which Ephram called out in
the moment, that's the wrong decision.

Speaker 4 (01:26:21):
Then you're chasing points.

Speaker 3 (01:26:23):
And I just sit there and say, like it was
there for the taking, It was there for the taking
this year you couldn't take advantage. I'm not one of
those people that thinks the Bills will never be able
to get over the hump, but it's like, this wasn't
the Chiefs team of three, four to five.

Speaker 4 (01:26:38):
It just wasn't.

Speaker 3 (01:26:38):
And so I just I think, I think this result
has to make you sicker if you're a Bills fan
because it was it was there, somebody was. They were
capable of being taken down, and you just couldn't do it.

Speaker 2 (01:26:50):
There's no question, There's no question that I'm I'm I'm
like absolutely queasy today, and by extension, I might feel
a little bit of that if I'm a Baltimore fan.
Two less so because that team has had at least
relatively recent Super Bowl victories. I know Lamar hasn't, but
at least the fan base has. And I also know

(01:27:13):
that you know, they didn't earn their chance by beating Buffalo,
but both of those teams had some early seasons sort
of mishaps that led to them not having home field advantage.
I think if either of them have home field advantage
over the Chiefs, it's not a question they would win
that football game. But yeah, I'm with you, like we
can whittle it down to this. I think Buffalo is

(01:27:34):
a better football team. I just do they beat him
in the regular season. I'm with you that all the
opportunities were there last week. You're right that Kansas City
deserves a ton of credit for that. I credit them
because they keep, you know, winning games that maybe they
shouldn't win. But if you're a Kansas City fan and

(01:27:55):
you want to force someone to say that, like give
them credit for what they did, fine, you get credit
for what you did if you also acknowledge got exposed today. Man,
you got absolutely exposed by getting all the way to
a super Bowl and having the score be twenty four
to nothing at halftime, like you couldn't even.

Speaker 3 (01:28:17):
Hang no, and and you know you don't want to
discredit Philly, but again, I just go back to you
were exposed. It was embarrassing, and other teams had other
opportunities to do that. And again, I just go back
to that AFC Championship game where it's like I understand
it was in Arrowhead.

Speaker 4 (01:28:38):
Okay, I get that, I really do.

Speaker 3 (01:28:40):
But I just I still think like this was we
all watched it, and this is how we led this hour,
was that this wasn't one of those teams. I don't
care what the regular season record was. They were beatable.
They found ways credit to them. But you just like,
if you're a Buffalo fan right now, you just got
to be like, dude, it was there for the tape,
and I think Philadelphia they kicked down that door. They

(01:29:02):
weren't afraid, they weren't intimidated, they were ready in the moment.
And then I think the most important part, which is obvious,
but it is worth stating, once they put their foot
on the gas, they did not let up, right, Because
we've seen all the stats about Chiefs comebacks and down
ten points in this and that, and they've had this
many second half comebacks and this many double digit deficit.

Speaker 4 (01:29:23):
Comebacks and they just never let up.

Speaker 3 (01:29:25):
And it's not like they were the only team capable
of doing it, not only all year, but I do
again go back to that Buffalo game where there were
just lost opportunities. This isn't a night for Buffalo. It's
a night to celebrate Philadelphia. It's a night to ask
real questions about Kansas City. But it is something that
pops in my head is this was not a vintage
team that you could not beat or that you were

(01:29:47):
overmatched at at a bunch of spots. But they found
a way you didn't. And I just don't know how
you can't be frustrated.

Speaker 2 (01:29:53):
Well, I no doubt, and I also think that there's
some validity to this, Like whenever somebody would look at
the Chiefs this year if you had said, Okay, why
do they win? What is it that they're doing to
other teams? You struggle to answer yes. Usually when someone
asks that, you'll go straight to certain players who are

(01:30:17):
dominant and you'll go, yeah, this is really hard for
other teams to deal with. But what would happen with
the Kansas City assessment is people would go straight to
the coaches and they would go, yeah, Andy Reid always
has the right call, and Steve Spagnolo's the best defensive
coordinator in the game. Those are all fair comments, But

(01:30:38):
at a certain point, when you get to the end
of a year, I'm like, who are your athletes that
are overwhelming the opposition? And Kansas City, let's be real,
and part of it might be because of injury and
all of that. They've had their share, but they have
very few who are overwhelming the opposition. I'm sitting here
looking at this and I'm fascinated by some of these numbers, Like,

(01:31:01):
it wasn't that long ago that whoever the starting running
back for the Chiefs was in an Andy Reid system.
You're like, that guy's not lasting past the fifth pick
in a fantasy football draft. Now do you know how
many times a Chiefs running back ran for one hundred
yards this year the whole year, No idea two wow,

(01:31:22):
two times all year long, and it was one hundred
and two and one hundred and six, like we were
eight yards away from it never happening. And I can
do it with receivers too. Only four times this year
have they had a one hundred yard receiver. I know
that the league is not about stats, but other than
Patrick Mahomes and his fourth quarter poise, I'm struggling to

(01:31:47):
look at this Chiefs roster and figure out where, at
least on the offensive side of the ball, they're really
scaring the heck out of the defense.

Speaker 3 (01:31:55):
Well, and it's so funny because you know, I remember
I actually was hosting with Jason Martin in this spot
last year, and one of the themes from this time
last year was this was the twenty twenty three season.
This was supposed to be the year you get the
Chiefs because the I can't remember all details now, but

(01:32:15):
the Mahomes contract kicks in and if you remember, they
were what nine to five? That was the year they
lost to the Vegas Raiders at home on Christmas Day
and they didn't have home field advantage and they found
a way. And so I just bring it up because
this team has been vulnerable, and again, I do think
some of it is to the credit of them for

(01:32:36):
finding ways, but they've been vulnerable. And to your point,
it's exactly what I said, and it's what I led
the show with when I talked about why I did
like Philly in this game. What is the position group
outside of having the greatest quarterback, the most clutch quarterback
that we have in this league right now that you
were absolutely terrified again? Running back advantage Eagles. Wide receiver

(01:32:59):
advantage Eagles by a mile. Just like at running back,
offensive line. I know they were banged up, but advantage
Eagles defensive line. Chris Jones is a Hall of Famer,
But the totality of the team, it's the Eagles. You know, secondary,
it's certainly the Eagles with those young corners and et cetera.
And so it's just to me, I think that's why
it's frustrating for other teams too. Is not just Buffalo

(01:33:20):
is like, they weren't vintage, they weren't great. And to
your point, is, what is the spot that you just
said the opponent doesn't have an answer? For it, and
like you said, I think they went to the well
in a close game. Reid is always going to have
the right play call, Mahomes is always going to execute it, and.

Speaker 4 (01:33:38):
By the way, worked all season long.

Speaker 3 (01:33:40):
But when you're down twenty four to nothing, when you're
down forty to six, there's no perfect play call when
you're down forty to six.

Speaker 4 (01:33:47):
And tonight was obviously the night that it caught.

Speaker 6 (01:33:48):
Up with them.

Speaker 2 (01:33:49):
You mentioned it tonight to celebrate the Eagles, and I
do have a question for you coming up next, and
it is this, what did you think about Nick Sirianni
at the beginning of the year. What are you think
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all the time, forty to twenty two. What'd you think? Man?

(01:35:19):
What'd you think of Nick Sirianni before the year and
what do you think of him now?

Speaker 4 (01:35:24):
All right? So I just had it and I lost it.

Speaker 3 (01:35:26):
I put out a tweet in Week three, which was
the Philly game in New Orleans, ironically enough, and listen,
the context of it is obviously important. I know you
know this, but just to reiterate, is you know there
was talk about should he come back this year? Obviously,
and so Eagles open the season kind of an ugly

(01:35:47):
win against the Packers in Brazil, Jordan Love gets hurt whatever.
Then they lose to the Falcons, and they're they're losing
to the Saints in New Orleans in Week three, and
so this game, this tweet came out Septem number twenty
second at eleven forty four am Pacific time, so about
two forty four Eastern. And this was a tweet from
September twenty second of this season, So week three of

(01:36:09):
this season. I said, quote, I'm not sure what the
odds are on Nick Sirianni first coach fired, but it
feels like a pretty safe bet right now. This isn't
quite a tarmac game, but we're inching pretty close towards it.
And Philly ended up winning fifteen to twelve that game. Ironically,
if you remember, it was a Saquon Barkley run late
that kind of iced the game. I was out on him,

(01:36:32):
But I'll also say this, I think I was probably
in from this perspective, probably earlier than most.

Speaker 4 (01:36:39):
Is that I think part of it is I grew
up on the East Coast. I grew up in the Northeast.

Speaker 3 (01:36:44):
I'm from Connecticut originally, and there is a certain personality
type that I think thrives not only thrives. But I
think I think that it's only a personality type, but
it's a personality type with the city, with the team,
with this, with the that, and Sirianni to me, is
just a guy that I do think fits Philly. You know,

(01:37:08):
I say this in a positive way. He's a little
bit crazy, but I think that works in that market.
And I know you know what I'm talking about, because
he ashot Rice how many days until people start getting
mad about something, and he's like, I think we got
through tomorrow for sure. But I just think he works
for that market. I think clearly. Listen, there's like a

(01:37:29):
machismo almost in that locker room where guys aren't afraid
to yell in his face, but he's not afraid to
yell back. There was even an incident on the sideline,
and I use that term incident loosely with aj Brown tonight.
And so I just sit there and say, like probably
about six eight weeks ago when they really started going
on the run, I go, you know, he's a little different.

(01:37:49):
You know, he's not polished like McVeigh, he's not whatever.
But it works for him and it works for that team.
I'm not gonna say six eight weeks ago, I picked
him to win the Super Bowl, but I was it's like,
you know, maybe it does work, and maybe it does
make sense for that guy in that market.

Speaker 4 (01:38:04):
And now I'll flip it over to you, as a
guy who covers.

Speaker 3 (01:38:06):
An NFC team, in an NFC team, night in and
night out, what has your perspective been on him and
has it changed at all?

Speaker 2 (01:38:14):
Well, I have to lay on the sword on this one.
I have been very critical of Nick Sirianni, and it
was born out of two things. First of all, I'm
always sort of watching demeanor, and I don't want to

(01:38:36):
say that what we see on TV means I know
everything about what's going on in a locker room or whatnot.
But to me, Nick Sirianni too often was on the
sideline trying to make things about Nick Sirianni, and I
never really I don't dig that when you're the coach,
I think the coach should push those players forward. Your

(01:39:00):
job is to put them in their best position to succeed,
and then when they do, give them the light. And
from the big domb stuff to Sirianne's antics, to some
of the things he've said to running out in the
field whenever anything's going on. I'm just like, dude, top
it down, top it down. But that's not that big

(01:39:22):
of a deal. That's look, he's him, you know, and
I don't have to like his demeanor. But secondly, with
what I watched that team do last year, to me,
that was emblematic of a coaching and culture problem. When
you've got a team that's eleven and one and they're

(01:39:43):
welcoming the San Francisco forty nine ers into their building.
I think it was early December, and they got absolutely
pantsed so bad that they barely ever won another football
game again the rest of the year. It just completely crumbled,
and I looked at that went, man, he doesn't have it.
He doesn't have these guys like they totally mentally wilted.

(01:40:07):
So for them to rally back this year with some
new pieces, for sure, but kind of lay in the
weeds a little bit. Detroit's getting all of the run
and they just quietly did their thing and won almost
all of their football games. And then to get to tonight,
and I thought he spoke in a way that was

(01:40:28):
different than the Nick Sirianni I've seen before. He spoke
in a way that was to put others first, And
he paused there on the field after the win and
leaned down and hugged his kids and picked one of
them up and had a moment with them and made
that more important than whatever it was he wanted to
say to the microphone. I don't know the man, but

(01:40:51):
he put out a very different vibe today and this
year that he did last year. So that would be
one of the things I'd love to ask him if
I ever got a chance to talk to him, was
did what did you what did you learn from last year?
Because he looked like a different guy. He looked like
a different guy, And so I fall on the sword

(01:41:13):
for things I've said before, and I give him the credit.
He did a very very good job turning them around
this year.

Speaker 3 (01:41:19):
Two quick things on that. The first one is a
little bit off topic, but I think it comes full circle. Okay,
this was my biggest argument for Saquon being the MVP,
because things ended so bad last year, and basically, you
can't say all of the main characters came back because
obviously there's two new coordinators in that building. But there's
two new coordinators in that building because they got fired.

(01:41:42):
It's not like you know, they all they got head
coaching jobs like two years ago, was stiking again. And Okay,
So the point I'm trying to make, if Saquan doesn't
do what he did, there's a chance that one we
certainly look at Jalen Hurts in a different manner. Two,
Nick Sirianni is not back as the head coach. I
default that means that Kellen Moore is no longer a

(01:42:03):
head coaching candidate, let alone what we expect to be
the new Orleans Saints head coach. And so that was
my whole argument for Saquan all year is he literally
changed an entire organization, and not only in an organization,
but the perceptions of everyone in that organization. So that
was one on Saquad and then two, I was just
gonna say, I agree with you on the change in

(01:42:24):
the evolution. And I do think sometimes, you know, we
expect everybody to be a finished product and everyone to
have all the answers, and sometimes, you know, guys just
grow on the job and maybe NFL head coach is
too important and you need to be buttoned up and
you need to have all.

Speaker 4 (01:42:39):
The answers, you need to be perfect.

Speaker 3 (01:42:40):
But you know, listen, think about you know, belichick second
head coaching job with the Patriots. Dan Campbell had been
an interm interm head coach with the Dolphins to kind
of figure things out before he gets Detroit. So maybe
there is a little bit of that with Sirianni as well,
because I do agree that he was a completely different
person see this year than in previous years.

Speaker 2 (01:43:02):
Yeah, I wonder how this grabs you too, because I
not only give him the credit. We talked about Howie
Roseman earlier and how if you look contractually at a
lot of what the Philadelphia Eagles are facing this offseason,
there's every reason to believe that they're going to be
a problem for a little while. And that NFC, which

(01:43:24):
at the beginning of the year we were like, well,
it's Lions, it's Niners, it's Packers, and it's maybe the Eagles.
But other than that, man, it's pretty slim pickings over there.
But the AFC, ooh, look at them with all of
their fancy quarterbacks and this is going to be the

(01:43:45):
depth of the AFC. They're coming at you. Don't you
look at it today and go hold on a second,
Hold on a second, because in fact, I'm already looking
at the Super Bowl odds for next year, and it's
pretty interesting because you'll see a lot of stories that

(01:44:05):
three hours ago Eagles open as favorites to repeat. But
it's kind of moved already, and the Ravens and Chiefs
at some books are already moving ahead of them. And
I'm like, no, no, no, no, I think that this
does have some staying power. And you flip back to
the NFC where you go not just the Eagles commanders,

(01:44:28):
Jane Daniels, that's a problem. The Lions are going to
be a squad. I still think the Packers are absolutely
going to be a squad. I think that the forty
nine ers will rally back, and I'd sprinkle in a
few other interesting teams too, But the Chiefs next year.
This isn't so much about Super Bowl hangover. I look

(01:44:48):
at that division and where the whole AFC is going.
The Broncos had an interesting year, The Chargers had a
really interesting year. The division gets tougher you play a
first place schedule. That's been well discussed today. I don't know, man,
I think that I think the Chiefs are gonna have
a really hard time next year, especially with the expectations

(01:45:12):
that are set for them.

Speaker 3 (01:45:14):
Yeah, and I think to me too, I do think
these playoffs exposed maybe a little bit of just the
fact that great quarterbacks but flawed teams. Because go back
to the AFC Championship game, It's like, Josh Allen was great,
and I know that kind of offensively, they went away
from the run game and then maybe they just stuck
with it. But I mean, is there and you mentioned

(01:45:35):
Miles Garrett earlier, I mean, is there any defensive player
on Buffalo? And maybe I'm missing somebody. I know ed
Oliver was pretty good, especially in that game against Kansas City,
But they don't got the dudes on defense that Detroit has,
that Philly has, that some of these other teams have
across the league. And then obviously we saw in the
Super Bowl this evening that, yeah, the Kansas City Chiefs

(01:45:56):
are a fundamentally flawed team. And to the point you
brought up earlier in the show, maybe we sort of
knew that all along, but we weren't quite sure and
they kept winning games, so we kind of ignored it.
But the Chiefs have a lot of holes on that team.
I think the Bills have a lot of holes you know,
I think that there is something certainly too great quarterbacks

(01:46:17):
incomplete teams in the AFC and the NFC, you know,
B to B plus quarterbacks, whether it's Jalen Hurts, Jared Goff, etc.
Jordan Love maybe gets there, gets to another level in time,
but those rosters are much more by the way the
Vikings right plug and play, Kirk Cousins leave, Sam Darnold
comes in there, they're awesome again. And so I think
there's absolutely something too. Maybe we undervalued the NFC and

(01:46:41):
the totality of their rosters, and frankly, maybe we overvalued
some of the AFC rosters as well well.

Speaker 2 (01:46:47):
And Miles Garrett, I'm glad you brought him up. If
history is any indication Miles Garrett will play in the
NFC next year, because you watch what teams do whenever
they get stuck in that situation of Okay, we've got
a really good player and he wants out, Well, we're
not trading him within the division and would rather not

(01:47:07):
trade him in the conference. Maybe in this case because
Cleveland's not really in a position to do anything special
over the next couple of years, but they're going to
want to send him to the other conference, and so
one of these NFC teams because he wants to win
a title. So I would gather that most of the
teams that are going to be going after him where

(01:47:28):
he'll say, hey, y'all, I'll sign an extension with you,
they're going to be those teams we just talked about.
So I would argue, and I'm actually looking at Miles
Garrett odds for next year, like, where would you love
to see him play? Where's a good fit for him
next year?

Speaker 3 (01:47:45):
Well, you know, the place that I think needs him
is Buffalo. But I think to your point, are you
going to be in a rush to trade for him
or trade him to a team in your conference? And
so I think the obvious ones that stand out. You
know what, I think Washing is the obvious one, and
I'll tell you why. It's because they got a quarterback
on a rookie contract for.

Speaker 4 (01:48:04):
Several more years.

Speaker 2 (01:48:05):
So that's a great point.

Speaker 4 (01:48:06):
Yeah, I was gonna say, I don't know if I
cut you off there, but that's the one that jumps
out to me. What about you?

Speaker 2 (01:48:10):
Well, Washington is the second favorite on the list. The
number one favorite is the Dallas Cowboys, And I think
that's say, because yeah, they well, because they're the Dallas
Cowboys and they don't have any good players.

Speaker 3 (01:48:23):
Like today cap from they're paying Tech Prescott ninety million
dollars a year.

Speaker 4 (01:48:27):
Slight over exaggeration, but not much.

Speaker 6 (01:48:29):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:48:29):
I know, Well, when you combine Dak and Ceedee Lamb
and then the Micah Parsons situation, clearly their cap has
been mismanaged. Other teams are able to do stuff like this,
and they're able to maneuver, and they're able to restructure,
and they can make room on the cap seemingly whenever
they want. But Dallas was like, I'm sorry, we have
two good players, so that's it. Like Derrick Henry, Hell no,

(01:48:53):
we couldn't even think of such a thing. Oh my god.
And then you never ran for a first down all
year long, So like, I doubt that for the reasons
that you just mentioned. But yes, Washington is high on
the list. The next NFC team after that is the Niners.
The next one after that is the Eagles, then followed
by the Packers, followed by the Lions. Like it's going

(01:49:16):
to be one of those teams and whoever gets that guy,
I mean, I'm moving them way up the rankings immediately.
He's that much of a game changer.

Speaker 3 (01:49:30):
No, he's that much of a game changer, and it
will be in shame. Like I said, I think what
was I gonna say? I think Washington makes the most sense.
What's interesting about Detroit is that Detroit still has a
lot of guys on rookie contracts that are slowly coming off.
I know that Piney Sewell and i'm Ona ros Saint
Brown have signed big extensions that I don't believe had

(01:49:51):
kicked in this year, but maybe next year. So I
only bring it up because, you know, you look at
that team again, Jamison Williams, Jamier Gibbs, uh, you know,
Brian brand On and on down there's still a lot
of guys that are on very affordable contracts.

Speaker 6 (01:50:06):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:50:06):
So, look, I would love to see him on the Lions,
but uh, if not, I think the Commanders make the
most sense. I'll be honest, Dallas makes zero sense to me,
but I think it's gonna be Sorry guy, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:50:17):
I was just gonna say. If I'm Miles.

Speaker 4 (01:50:18):
Garrett, yeah that's true too.

Speaker 2 (01:50:20):
Good God, I do not want to go to Dallas.

Speaker 4 (01:50:22):
Yeah, now that that one's weird to me.

Speaker 2 (01:50:24):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:50:24):
I don't know what the odds makers are thinking with that.
Maybe there's something that I'm missing, but I would venture
to guess the Commanders Again. I watching that AFC Championship game.
I think the Bills need help up front. But to
your point, are the are the Are the Browns gonna
be in a rush to trade him to a team
in the AFC? I don't know, but I think it'll

(01:50:45):
be an interesting storyline in the offseason for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:50:47):
Well, I'll say this, of all those NFC teams, I
will tell you why there might be an edge. If
I'm the Browns, there might be an edge for the
same Francisco forty nine ers. And the reason is we
just listed all the supposed good teams, and all those

(01:51:08):
good teams, all the other ones played well this year.
Therefore their draft pick. Their draft pick is twenty five,
twenty six, twenty seven, twenty eight. Niners have eleven. And
if I'm Cleveland and one of those teams is like, sure,
we'll offer you our first round draft pick. Well, which

(01:51:28):
one am I gonna take?

Speaker 4 (01:51:29):
It's great call.

Speaker 2 (01:51:31):
And so I wonder, and you mentioned Detroit. God, if
the Niners were to pair him with Bosa or Detroit
was able to pair him with Hutchinson lookout, lookout and
the Eagles, I mean, watching their d line tonight, do
they need someone else? They look fine?

Speaker 3 (01:51:50):
Patrick Mahomes certainly hopes that that he doesn't end up
with the Eagles. I can tell you that much, because
if they face him off again, I mean, I still
go back to I know, we've talked about it for
three hours right now. With the dominance of that defensive
line was insane. And by the way, this is why
we are talking about Miles Garrett. You can see the difference,
that difference maker that you can see the difference that
guys like him make up front for just about any team.

Speaker 2 (01:52:13):
It's been almost an all super Bowl night. But I
do want to ask you about Aaron Rodgers, and so
we'll do that coming up next. We're in the tyrak
dot com studios with Aaron Torres. I'm Mark Willard on
Fox Sports Radio. We're sitting here on the ti rag
dot com studios. Do you have anything you wanted to
say about the halftime show? What'd you think?

Speaker 6 (01:52:33):
So?

Speaker 3 (01:52:34):
Truthfully, Mark Willard, my only real takeaway this was the
first halftime show.

Speaker 4 (01:52:40):
I didn't think it was good.

Speaker 3 (01:52:41):
But the reason it's hard for me to criticize is
because Kendrick Lamar is the first musician that I you know,
of this this run that they've had.

Speaker 4 (01:52:52):
That I didn't grow up on.

Speaker 3 (01:52:53):
So like I grew up on Usher, I grew up
on you know, fifty cent in eminem when they were
a few years ago.

Speaker 4 (01:52:59):
I even used to jam out to a little Shakira
and j Lo when they were on.

Speaker 3 (01:53:03):
Kendrick Lamar is you know, he's a little bit I'm
a little bit old to have Kendrick Lamar bumping in
the club when I used to go to the clubs,
and it's been a while since I've been to the club.
So I just straight up to say, I kind of
went in knowing that I kind of know like one
ish songs. The presentation didn't really impress me. But again,

(01:53:23):
when it's not my music, how am I going to
complain about the you know, about the the overall product.

Speaker 2 (01:53:28):
Well, that's fair, and I'd say this while portions of
what you just said would absolutely apply to me too.
I also gathered around and watched this with my teenage
children and that helps a lot. And I'd also say
I'm partially tapped in enough, just enough to know that

(01:53:52):
the beauty of Kendrick's performance tonight was not indivisual or
obvious aspect. I encourage everybody listening, especially if you didn't
like it, and if you don't care, you don't care,
but take a minute and do a dive on all
of the hidden and not so hidden messaging that was

(01:54:16):
going on in the Kendrick performance tonight. I actually think
that that was the core of what he was doing.
And so there I get what you're saying, because to
a degree it felt like a big inside joke. Sure
do you know what I mean? Like it was like
you have to be in the fraternity to know what
we're doing here. But that's the beauty of the internet too.

(01:54:37):
You go find out about it right now because there's
already stuff everywhere, and so you know, visually wasn't a
big deal. Maybe not, But in terms of the way
that the everything he did landed, I would say there
was some power behind it.

Speaker 3 (01:54:55):
That is what I will say is I have not
kept up to date with the Drake and Kendrick Lamar beef,
but the people that have seemed to certainly get get
some enjoyment out of that performance. Mary Mack, who's obviously
very plugged in in the music world, is wagging her
finger like the late to Kembe Matumbo. So I don't

(01:55:16):
know what it means, but all hip cool young kids
like Mary Mack do, and I think that's all that matters.

Speaker 2 (01:55:20):
It's it's it's a lot that was going on in
that halftime show. Yeah, there's a lot that was going on.
So anyway, Yeah, I thought I thought it had some
some some some good juice to it. But where where
do you think Aaron Rodgers is gonna play football next year?

Speaker 5 (01:55:40):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (01:55:41):
Cfl and ufl are off the table, right, I will
ask you and all is there a market for Aaron Rodgers? I?

Speaker 4 (01:55:48):
I don't know, and I'm curious what you would think
on that.

Speaker 2 (01:55:53):
I wouldn't think there's one at a high level, but
I do see a couple of teams out there where
you're kind of lie, huh. Are we in a situation
where this kind of makes sense in a near term
or short term partially because either they're transitioning or quite frankly,

(01:56:15):
they need some almost like some marketing. Like if I'm
the Tennessee Titans, what the hell do I have to
lose who who is my quarterback? Are we even watchable
right now? So I wonder about that. I don't know

(01:56:35):
what what are the Pittsburgh Steelers doing at quarterbacks next year?
I wonder about teams like that. That's you know, that's
I don't think anybody is going to say, hey, you're
our guy, you know, for for any period of time.
But do the New York Do the New York Giants
want to draft someone and then be like, you know,

(01:56:57):
come here for a year or for whatever, until until
that person is ready to roll and is aeron up
for that. I could see that.

Speaker 3 (01:57:05):
Well, the one thing I will say, you look at
this top ten, you know, and I love college football.
I think there's two ish quarterbacks that I like, you know,
obviously Shedor Sanders and cam Ward. And you look at
that top ten. Tennessee needs a quarterback. Cleveland he needs
a long term answer. New York needs a quarterback. Vegas
needs a quarterback. The Jets ironically will not be Aaron

(01:57:26):
Rodgers landing spot, but they need a quarterback.

Speaker 4 (01:57:28):
New Orleans maybe he needs a quarterback. So I just
bring it up.

Speaker 3 (01:57:31):
You play the musical chairs. There's a lot more chairs
than guys to fill those chairs. So from that perspective,
I guess I could see the scenario where he does
land somewhere. I'll say this, how about the Cleveland Browns?
I mean, Deshaun Watson is they have the second pick,
So that's what kind of makes it interesting. Sure, but
Sean Watson's obviously not playing next year, and so I mean,

(01:57:52):
is that a spot where hey come here for a
year rehabilitate, But then does Aaron Rodgers want to play
in Cleveland? So I'm curious because I do think when
we talk it out, there are probably, as I said,
more chairs than guys to fill those chairs as far
as need at quarterback, So maybe there is a spot
form After.

Speaker 2 (01:58:08):
All, that's probably the division he should look at. But
it's also not a very winnable division like that would
be if I'm Aaron, what's my goal? Am I looking
for a spot where I actually think we could do something?
I mean, I can't imagine Aaron Rodgers beating Joe Burrow
and Lamar Jackson next year, but it's not a bad call.

(01:58:30):
I mean, that's probably the division that has a spot
for him. Great stuff, tonight.

Speaker 4 (01:58:36):
Man, Thank you for having me. Man, it's such a pleasure,
with such an honor to do this show with you.

Speaker 2 (01:58:40):
Thank you. Super Bowl is in the rearview mirror. The
Eagles win, this show is in the rearview mirror. Too bye.

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