Andy Furman & Bucky Brooks Discuss Bengals Ownership Under Pressure, Cam Newton's Locker Room Of Losers, The Blame Game, And Much More!!

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He is my guy, Bucky Brooks. What happened with the
Super Bowl? Tell me, Bucky Brooks, how are you?

Speaker 2 (00:38):
I'm doing well? What's going on? Andy? It was great? Yeah,
it was you're talking about what went on? I mean
super Bowl was great.

Speaker 4 (00:45):
I mean I think you saw a case of two
really good teams where you saw the better team, the
more talented team, ended up winning the game.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
Why are people telling me all day long, all week
long that the Super Bowl was boring? First of all,
football is not boring. You know, it was a bit
of a you know, a blowout, but still start a
boring situation. It's not boring. It's football. How good football?
You can't use those words together football boring, it doesn't
work out, It's stupid.

Speaker 4 (01:10):
I mean, I think maybe there was some fatigue right
between the teams you saw.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
Kansas City. Kansa City has been there five out the
last six years.

Speaker 4 (01:17):
So every story that you would get on media Night
is the same the fel there for Eagles were just
there two years ago, so a lot of the stories
carry over. You didn't have the buzz and the excitement
of a new team like Detroit. If Detroit is there
is a this team, the loveable Losers are finally in
the super Bowl. We just didn't have that storyline, which
is maybe why some people felt like it was a

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boring week.

Speaker 3 (01:39):
You know, we do have to welcome our new executive producer,
Patrick Sweeka. Do you know that? Patrick's yes, right now?

Speaker 1 (01:46):
What's up, guys?

Speaker 3 (01:47):
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out from us, but we love having you here.

Speaker 1 (01:51):
Hey, I'm an early morning guy. What can I say?

Speaker 3 (01:53):
Let's go Patrick on PS. I hope you're here for
the long haul. I really do.

Speaker 5 (01:57):
Maybe it will, Maybe it will. Let's let's let's get goes,
Let's have some fun.

Speaker 3 (02:01):
Let's do it right now. Okay, now, The story swirling
around the Super Bowl was Joe Burrow of the Cincinnti Bengals.
Why do I bring that up? Because Joe Burrow, at
least in my mind and to some others, is that
he's putting a lot of pressure on the Cincinni Bengals
ownership want to make the team better. He wants to
to sign t Higgins, Jamar Chase, and Trey Hendrickson. I
get it, okay, first off, and tell me if I'm wrong.

(02:23):
I got a problem with someone telling someone else how
to spend their money. I don't care what business it's in.
I just don't think he should go public that way.
I guess he's trying to do it so the media
would pick up on it and the fans will pick
up on it and kind of back the Bengals into
a corner. He can't do that. Don't do that to
Mike Brown and the Cincinnti Bengals. But he ain't gonna listen. Really,

(02:45):
I think it's a wrong move. I think it's a
bad move. If it happens, it happens, But just to
go public and tell people how to spend their money
and say they need to sign these guys. I mean,
I just think it's wrong.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
See and I disagree.

Speaker 4 (02:57):
I think he's right because Joe Burrow is the one
that ultimately he catches the heat if the team doesn't win.
And he is looking at a team in the Philadelphia
Eagles that are being able to sign.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
Multiple stars to big deals.

Speaker 4 (03:08):
Jaalen Hursts on a big contract, to two wide receivers
on big contracts, DeVante Smith and aj Brown respectively. They
went and got a Saquon Barkley. He's on a big contract.
So when the Bengals say, oh, we don't know how
we can afford all these people, but the money is
going to somebody, and it's not just going to Joe Burrow,
I understand why Joe Burrows like.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
No, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 4 (03:29):
We can pay these people if we want to. There's
a way to be able to do it. The Philadelphia
Eagles have done it. There are other teams in the
league that are doing it. What is our business model?
Why are we resistant to paying players? And I'll tell
you why they're resisting the fan players. It's because the
Bengals that's the family business. The Browns don't come from wealth,

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they don't have outside business ventures. That created money. Their
money comes from the football team, and to pay the salaries,
like the big contracts, to guarantees, you have to have
liquid You have to have cash because when I guarantee
you X amount of dollars, I have to put that
money in an escor account. So I have to have

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enough cash to be able to do that when I
signed you to a fifty million dollar signing bonus. The
Cincinnati Bengals don't have that liquidity to be able to
do it, whereas the Cleveland Browns with Jimmy has them,
they have that kind of money, which is why they
can pay out like that.

Speaker 3 (04:25):
But they have the money and they could sign those
players should they want to sign the players. They could
have got Jamar Chase last year a little for less money.
They needs gonna have to shell out this year for
them because they got have to put out some thirty
or forty MILI for this guy to sign them this year.
But look, they're not the only team that has football
as their only business. Pittsburgh Steelers Chicago bears the name
two right, those are two teams that just have the

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business of football to pay players. So there's a problem.
I guess inherently with the Cincinnati Bengals, where they just
don't do that. But I'm going to go one step further,
and if you think I'm crazy, tell me more than that.
I don't think they shoul even sign these guys because
if we watched the Super Bowl to learn anything, the
Philadelphia Eagles showed the world the blueprint for winning the
Super Bowl. What is it? A great offensive line and

(05:10):
a great defensive line. All right, they had a great quarterback.
I don't know if you've gotta call Jalen Hurts a
franchise quarterback, but they won't with Jalen Hurts, That's what
they did. But it was the defensive line that got
it done. The offensive line I was Patrick Holmes, who
probably still has marks on his rear end from being
on the turf all day long.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
Yeah. I mean, like, I hear what you're saying.

Speaker 4 (05:32):
But let's make no mistake about why they're so good
on the offensive and defensive lines. One, they always commit
the drafting on linemen either offensive defense, in the first
or second round. Every year you look at their drafts history,
they always invest.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
Heavily in the offensive line.

Speaker 4 (05:48):
They also go to those guys early in their careers
and signed them the big deals, so they signed them early,
give them a big contract, but it pales in comparison
to what it could be down the line. Much like
we talked about Jamar Chase. They could have paid him
last year. Instead they wait, then you got to attack
on inflation and he played well. So now you're paying

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more for a player you could have had for less.
And to your point you talk about, hey, you don't
need to pay him. Well, when I looked at a
game without the big players from Devonte Smith and AJ Brown,
without Saquon Barkley commanding get a lot of attention, Jalen
Hurts can't do what he needs to do to win
despite that offensive line. So yes, the offensive defensive lines

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are important, but you gotta.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
Have playmakers to win in this game.

Speaker 4 (06:33):
And if the Bengals don't want to play for their playmakers,
they don't have a shot.

Speaker 3 (06:38):
You know, it's gonna be really interesting. And the sad
thing is if you're a Cincinnati Bengals fan, you know
the big news is not during the season. The big
news usually is in the love season. What are they
going to do? Are going to go to free agency?
Are they going to sign their players? And now The
big news is the fact that Jamar Chase and T
Higgins have the same agent. I mean, that's gonna be
a real blood bath. I think trying to negotiate with

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this on their Bengals because to see what those two
gonna do, it reminds me. Wait back in the day,
and I'm sure you remember this, when Sandy Colfax and
Don Drysdale may he rest in peace, they held out
with the Dodgers and they got what they wanted. Eventually
they did. Colfax and Drysdale hung held out A's pitches
for the Dodgers. If you don't remember looking up, but
that's what they did. So now you got T Higgins

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and Jamar Chase with the same agent. And I'm sure
when T Higgins went in that direction he was no fool.
He said, oh look two is better than one. We
got some pressure nout.

Speaker 4 (07:29):
Well, I mean yeah, like they do have press. They
can put pressure on DM. They can make sure that
uh well, they have to be transparent because everyone knows
exactly what the other one is making, so they can't
try and slide and sneak a deal under. In those things,
it really comes down to want to in this league
with a salary cap. It comes down to who do
you want to play. It's not about who you can't

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we can't pay, No, who do you want to pay?
What do you prioritize? Because if you prioritize the offense,
which I think they should, because your best play or
offensive players in the quarterback as a top five quarterback,
I would put the.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
Money in the offense.

Speaker 4 (08:06):
I would build up the defense, and I would have
a simple Simon system that you play on defense to
win with. Now, I think they made a mistake when
they fired Lou and a remote, but look, that's water
under the bridge. Now he's in Indianapolis. But for the
Bengals to win, they're going to win because their offense,
not their defense, and they need to pay.

Speaker 3 (08:24):
Okay, let's go back to square one when I said
I really wasn't happy that Joe Burrow is kind of
trying back to the ownership of the Cincinnati Bengals in
the corner going public. And believe me, every interview we
had during Super Bowl week kind of leaned on that.
I get it. You know, he wants to win, and
as you say, if they don't win, it's going to
be all on the quarterback that's gonna be there. But

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you know, really and truly, it's not so much management
and ownership of the Bengals that have to get it done.
He could easily do that. And he did say basically
that he may, you know, maybe change his contract and
maybe release the contract, and is really to alter his deal.
As a matter of fact, he was on the part
of My Take podcast. Let's take a list to what

(09:05):
Joe had to say.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
I'm not going to ask if you're going to restructure
your deal. I'm going to actually ask what does that mean?
Restructuring a deal? Can you explain it to us, like
we're five. Yeah, So you can do a couple of
different things.

Speaker 6 (09:16):
You could convert some of the money to a signing bonus,
which will lower the cap hit. You can push some
of the money to the back end of the contract
and then when you get to that lowers the capit.
And then when you get to the back end of
the contract you can restructure it and convert it to
a signing bonus.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
Okay. Then you can also just take less money. And
which one were you going to do? We'll see.

Speaker 3 (09:41):
Okay. So now, so now this situation is out there
and it's not uncommon. I mean, Patrick Mahomes has done
that and it made the Kansas City Chiefs winners because
they signed players right. The New England Pages had done
that with Tom Brady for years and then the reason being,
of course everybody said because his wife makes all the money.
But that's not the point. I mean, he wanted to win,

(10:02):
and he did that so he could win and they
could sign other players. So I don't understand why Joe
has to point the finger at management and say, sign
these guys. No, you could get it done. You could
make it happen and still have your money, but it'll
be over a long period of time, that's all.

Speaker 4 (10:17):
Yeah, well that contract is done now, so like his
contract is done, so like him talking about that, like
everyone talking about like, oh he could have or whatever.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
This is the situation where we are now.

Speaker 4 (10:27):
He outlined those three options that the Bengals have where
they can use his contract as a vehicle to make
sure that they sign the other guys. It comes down
to want to do the Bengals want to keep those
guys or not, Because if they want to, then they
can figure out a way to do it. But if
they don't want to, then they'll continue to hide behind
the salary cap and they'll blame the guys and paint

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them out to be greedy when that's not the situation.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
You have to pay market value for top players.

Speaker 4 (10:54):
You have two of the top players that their positioned
in the league, and t Higgins and Jamar Chase. If
they pay them a sortantly, then what you do is
you guarantee that your offense is going to be a
productive offense. As bad as the defense was last year,
the offense got hot at the end of the year
and they finished with nine to eight. This is eight nine,
nine eight whatever he finished like. This is a team
that certainly had Super Bowl potential and promise. They got

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to make sure that they keep their stars in place,
and then they got to build up the people around them.

Speaker 3 (11:22):
I've always say that history repeats itself, be it in
sports or anything else. Okay, and I look at the
situation here and reopened up this segment. I said, history
will repeat itself in one NFL city. That city may
very well be Cincinnati. And why do I say that,
because this is nothing new. I remember back in what
twenty eleven with Carson Palmer. Carson Palmer said, this team
was not good enough. He divorced himself from the team.

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He decided they weren't doing enough to help the team
and to help him build around him to make them win,
and look, it made him a martyr. He was willing
to quit the game of football then go back and
play for the Bengals. Eventually they traded him to the Raiders.
And I think the Raiders picked them up in twenty
eleven because Hugh Jackson was there, and Hugh Jackson like
Carson Palmer. So I could see this happening again. I

(12:05):
could see Joe Burrow bolting from the Bengals if they
don't do anything to make his life easier and better
and put players around to him so they could be
a little more competitive.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
Well, I mean it sounds pretty easy.

Speaker 4 (12:19):
He said, If we signed these two wide receivers, we'll
be good. So it's on Duke Tobin and the Brown
family to sign the players.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
It's not hard. Like the Cincinnati.

Speaker 4 (12:32):
Bingles have finally had a team that has been good
and competitive and in the mix. They went to a
Super Bowl a couple years ago. If you want to
continue to win at that level, they're going to have
to spend some of the money. You can't just hoard
all the money. I know Mike Brown doesn't like to
spend a lot of money. You can't hoard the money.
They got to spend the money.

Speaker 3 (12:48):
I would say this, you know, if they don't spend
the money. And this may be a situation that may
never occur. But I think perception is reality because if
you're a free agent, there's a real good chance, say,
I don't know if I really want to go to
Cincinnati because I don't think they want to win. I
think they'd like to win, but I think they don't
really know how to win. And I think there's a

(13:09):
big difference there. And if you're a player you played
the game, would you obviously go to Cincinnati knowing that
there's really no chance of winning. If you had two
opportunities to go to a you know, even Green Bay,
which you did play there, but it's so cold there,
a lot of players maybe want to stay away. But
if the money was the same Cincinnati or green Bay,
you probably want to go to green Bay because at
least they know how to win, they have won, and

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Cincinnati has that reputation of like, well, you know, maybe
we'll strike lightning here. But it's not going to continue.

Speaker 4 (13:39):
Yeah, I mean there's something to that, like they won't
be a destination for a free agency, but because they
simply don't pay, Like culture and all that stuff matters
a little bit. But if they're not gonna pay, you're
not gonna go there because you know you can't get paid.
And I'm gonna say this, and I know that's just
why you're close to it. But they let a lot
of good players walk out of there because they won't
pay money. Jesse Bay all Pro Pro Bowl caliber player

(14:02):
they let walk. I mean they've let others walk. They
lend Joe Mixon was a really good player. Still they
let Themwaukee gos Houston has an immediate impact. They're known
to let good players go because they don't want to
pay them.

Speaker 3 (14:15):
It's amazing, and I'm sure the word is around the
league and players know that. I mean, it can't help.
I mean, and I think once you have that that
I guess that mantra on your back that you know
that you're not gonna pay players. Players don't want to
go there, and that's what it's all about. And I
will say some other things. The fact that I don't
think they do a great job drafting. And I think

(14:37):
also I don't think they have the number of scouts
out there watching players as other teams have. I think
that when you don't have the number of scouts out there,
it's gonna hurt. You don't know what players to draft. Look,
any person could draft the first round in the NFL.
How do you do that? You just pick up a
mock draft. Those are the players you're gonna draft. I
could make a first round draft picks maybe you know,

(14:58):
alter a team one or two. It's it's rounds three
and on. That's where you get the players. That's where
the players come from. That's where the picks come from, right,
you know, first round, maybe even second round. Most fans
could probably make the picks.

Speaker 2 (15:12):
I mean they can.

Speaker 4 (15:14):
I mean, I'm not saying that they be completely out
of the dark when it comes to picking those players.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
But I don't know if it's that easy.

Speaker 4 (15:24):
The Bengles do operate on the shoe stream budget when
it comes to their scouts and those things. They don't
like to put guys on the road. They used to
rely on their coaches to do a lot of discouting for.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
A long time.

Speaker 4 (15:35):
You know, at some point though in this business, you
got to spend money to make money, and so you
just hope that the family will spend a little money
so they can make some money by having a better
team and a better overall product.

Speaker 3 (15:48):
No doubt about that. Do you remember the Carson Palmer situation,
because Carson Palmer thought the team was not gonna pay,
not gonna win. They were good enough to win. They
won two division titles from two thousand and five to
two thousand and nine, and then after that they just
hit rock bottom. They had a record. I looked as up.
The record for the Bengals was nineteen twenty eight and
one from two thousand and six to two thousand and eight.

(16:08):
And then all of a sudden, you know, he won
the Heisman Trophy playing in college, no doubt about that.
He was a first round overall pick, and he had
people telling him. This is funny. Back then, people were
telling Carson Palmer that he shouldn't want to go to
Cincinnati because how dysfunctional the organization was. He said he
didn't think those concerns were valid. He said that the
organization doesn't matter. The players on the field though what

(16:30):
matter is this is what he said back then, and
I was one hundred percent wrong. All that matters is
the organization, because great organizations get the right players. So
I was wrong on that, and it was just an
accumulation of so many things. And I give him a
lot of credit. He got booed obviously in Cincinnati. You know,
he went hit the head and he told Mike Brown

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and everybody else he was going to quit the game
of football. I hear a lot of stones. He had
a lot of stones to do that, because I don't
see many players do what he did.

Speaker 4 (17:00):
Carson Palmer, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean he was
balls in terms of getting out. It didn't help him win.
He never had a chance to really win. But yeah,
I understood the frustration and why he was so frustrated.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
With the Bengals at the time.

Speaker 4 (17:11):
And when he got out, Hugh Jackson was able to
steal him on the cheap to the Raiders back then,
but Hugh Jackson had a long relationship with him, first
recruiting him out of high school and then having been
spend time with him on Marvin's staff. He knew Carson Palmer,
so that was the easillure for Carson. The problem is
it took the mingles a long time after Carson to

(17:34):
find another quarterback. And if you're going to have a
disc on quarterback and Joe Burrow, and if Joe Burrow
forced a hand, it takes.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
It's hard to find those guys.

Speaker 4 (17:43):
And so if you got a special guy, you're trying
to do everything in your power to keep it. And it
doesn't mean that you bend need to him and he
gets everything that he wants, but you certainly have to
listen to him when he talks about retaining those guys.
I think he has enough skins on the wall to
be able to say to management, guys, look, this thing

(18:04):
doesn't work for me without those playmakers on the outside.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
Maybe we can.

Speaker 4 (18:09):
Skimp in some other areas, but we have to have
the playmakers on the outside to make this offense work.

Speaker 3 (18:14):
You know, maybe because I live in the region, maybe
I'm a little too close to it, but you could
help me out here. I think there's a problem not
only signing players and paying players and getting the right players.
Let's talk about the coaches for a second, because I
think that unless you have a coach who's had some
experience under his belt, I don't think you're gonna be
Successful'll give you an example of Zach Taylor. You know,

(18:37):
he's lucky. He's got a great quarterback on a great offense.
That's what he's got right now. But he was never
a head coach. He was at the quarterback coach on
the Rams before he came there. Marvin Lewis was a
defensive coach for the Ravens when they won the Super Bowl.
I give Marvin a credit, and Marven did a good job.
I still say he was owing seven in the playoffs,
but he did a hell of a job. But I

(18:57):
think he turned the culture around in Cincinnati. Dick Lebow
never a head coach anywhere else. Bruce Coslet, I think
he coached the Jets prior and then he came to Cincinnati.
Was a vice versa I forget, but not really a
head coach. David Schuler, that was death. He was recorded.
I mean, what Keaton that you know what his record
was in Cincinnati nineteen and fifty two, nineteen and fifty two,

(19:19):
I mean, and that was a I guess a good
old boy network situation was sure. Mike Brown was good
friends with David's father. Okay, mister Schult, Don Shult the man, Okay,
Sam Weisch was a coach in Indiana. He came here.
Forrest Greig was a legit. Forrest greg was legit, That's
basically it. And they won when Forrest was here, they won, okay,

(19:39):
and he had a winning record. He was thirty two
and twenty five. So I think there's a lot to
be said about having a coach who had some sort
of a record, a track record as a head coach
in the National Football League or at least maybe a coordinator.
Do you agree, Well.

Speaker 4 (19:54):
The reason why they had all those inexperienced coach is
because they're cheaper. When you take a quarterback coach and
get him a head coach and responsibilities, you can pay
him probably sixty percent of what you have to pay
an experienced coach.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
That's part of what they were able to do. The
other thing is they don't like to pay for guys
that aren't working for them.

Speaker 4 (20:11):
So the reason David Shula and some of those guys
stayed for a long time is they stayed the lint
of their contract right because they don't want to have
to pay him, you know, his contract. Were also paying
a new coach that replaces him, So that's why. And
if you know that You're going to Cincinnati knowing a
they may be chief on some things, but I get
a fool. I get the opportunity to fully implement my

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plan because they don't bail early on coaches.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
So that's a positive.

Speaker 4 (20:37):
It's just a matter of, you know, having the right
things in place to win. So it's not only the
right coach, it's the right players, it's the right environment.
All things have to be right for your team to
play at a high level.

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you know what I watched last night? Take a guess.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
No, I don't know what you are.

Speaker 3 (22:33):
I watched that hockey game between Canada and the US
of A. I did. I would flick a back and
forth little college basketball. I can't believe seat in Halley, Connecticut.
And then I saw a little bit of the three
point shooting contest for the NBA All Star Deal. And
then you know, my wife is Canadian, so she's got
like a rooting interest anyway. But we saw like three
fights in the first nine seconds, and I said, you

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know what, this isn't too bad. I just felt watching
these hockey players, to me, it seemed like they were
giving a little more effort than I watched other athletes play.
Not in the Super Bowl, not in the NFL, but
like maybe the NBA. These guys are really really out
there playing and they really want them to win. Plus
when they played the national anthem, not the Canadian national anthem,

(23:17):
but the US national anthem, they were booed in Canada.
And I don't want to get political, but you know why.
They probably booing us. So they were booing that. But
I did watch the hockey game last night and usnabel.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
Yeah, look at that. Nice.

Speaker 3 (23:31):
Are you a hockey fan?

Speaker 2 (23:33):
I like playoff hockey, so if that counts yes, All.

Speaker 3 (23:37):
Right, okay, now we talk about this Hall of Famer
looking for work. Did you see this statement that the
Jets released on their breakup with Aaron Rodgers. I'm going
to quote it. Our intention. Our intention was to move
in a different direction to quarterback. You know, since I
guess they moved in a different direction. That was what
coused Aaron Rodgers. One of his two seasons in that
Jets uniform, he shredded his achille tending where the four

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players in there was Jets debut of the twenty twenty
three season, and all the hopes, all the hopes rolled
off on a cart and it was at the end
of the chance to end that longest playoff drought in
the NFL. I was a little shot that the Jets cut.

Speaker 4 (24:16):
Him an you, no, not at all. The experiment was
not great, It wasn't productive. It was a lot of headaches,
I would say, in terms of trying to run a
team when you have a player who doesn't really buy
into the culture. That's hard and I don't see it changing.
I didn't see it changing. So I understood why they

(24:38):
had to move on. And so Aaron Glenn comes in
with a new plan. Look, I plawed him for make
cutting bait right away because it was gonna work. It
wasn't it can't be Aaron Rodgers' program and the rest
of the team. So to me, it made a lot
of sense for them to go ahead and make the
move happen right away.

Speaker 3 (24:57):
Okay, now before we get involved, like what happens Darren Rodne,
I mean, what do the Jets do? How do they rebuild?
They need a quarterback? And there are like five teams
out there, really and truly looking for a quarterback for
next year. I mean, the Jets are one of them,
but I think the Raiders is going to be one
of them. The Giants have to be a team looking
for a quarterback, the Browns right now their quarterbacks shredded,
and probably the Tennessee Titans. So all these guys, all

(25:18):
these five teams have a pick in the top seven
of the draft, but there's really only two quarterbacks out
there to be had. I think it's going to be
sh Duart, Sanders and cam Ward. So what could the
Jets possibly do at quarterback unless maybe a free agent
or trade for a backup.

Speaker 4 (25:35):
I mean a few different things they can do. It
depends on how they view this quarterback class. Just because
we on the outside believe they may only be two
Sudor Sanders and cam Ward, they may have a different opinion.
And the reason why I say that is just remember
Aaron Glenn worked for a long time with Sean Payton.
Sean Payton took bow Knicks when no one there wasn't
a person.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
That thought bow Knicks was first round caliber.

Speaker 4 (25:56):
No one thought that he could be a franchise player,
and jokes on us because Sean Payton took Bothennick and
Botennicks played pretty well for the Broncos. So maybe Aaron
Glenn enters this not afraid of the uncertainty at the
position because he believes that they can identify and find one,
whether it's a veteran or a young guy to come
and do it. He probably is more focused on building

(26:17):
the rest of the team until they have an opportunity
to get a legitimate quarterback to take them to the
next level.

Speaker 3 (26:23):
Okay, So let's stick with Amon Rodgers for a second.
Where could he possibly end up as a backup, perhaps
maybe like a band aid to crossover a bridge until
the team gets a younger, possibly futuristic quarterback. Well, maybe
he's out of work. Is it possible that he's not
going to play at all next year?

Speaker 4 (26:44):
So I wrote about this on Fox Fox Digital. You
can see it up on the website.

Speaker 3 (26:49):
Miss NFL dot com for you this week. Nuts.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
I mean, I'm on both all the time.

Speaker 4 (26:55):
So on Fox I talked about Aaron Rodgerson where he's at,
and I said, the three teams that would make sense Tennessee,
Indianapolis and the Las Vegas Raiders. Tennessee because they have
the number one overall pick. If they were able to
get Aaron Rodgers, that would allow them to rebuild the
team differently. They could get up to a carter, continue
to build up the rest of the squad. You have
a veteran in place to play with some of the

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playmakers that they have already in Calvin Ridley and the others.
If you go to the Indianapolis coach, you have a
team with a playoff ready roster. You have a young
quarterback who's struggling in Anthony Richardson, but Shane Stykeen and Chris.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
Ballert are in win now mode.

Speaker 4 (27:31):
That allows them to maybe take on the risk of
Aaron Rodgers. Because it's one and done for everybody. Everybody's
operating on a one year contract. There may not be
any other years if we don't win that year, So
that urgency, that pressure may be appealing to the front
office to go and get Aaron Rodgers, and this roster
might be appealed for Aaron Rodgers to get it done.

(27:52):
And then the Las Vegas Raiders Pete Carroll, Tom Brady.
Pete Carroll havn't competed against Aaron Rodgers during this time
at Cal certainly probably has a lot of respect for him.
Tom Brady knows quarterback play probably revers Aaron Rodgers in
terms of the length of his career, the success that
he's had. Maybe they can find a common ground. It
would be weird because his best friend DeVante Adams worked

(28:14):
his way out of Las Vegas, but it could be
a situation where they give him an opportunity to bring
back a look a historic franchise.

Speaker 3 (28:27):
I'm going to go here now, you got Tennessee with
the first pick. And if I'm not mistaken, Tennessee has
a new general manager that hired him from the Kansas
City Chiefs. I think his name is Borgonzi, Bargonzia, whatever
his name, okay, And he built the Chiefs through the draft,
that's what he basically did. So I think he wants
a long term kind of guy, and I can't see
that Rodgers is not going to be the long term guy.

(28:48):
And honestly, even if he was the long term guy,
the money is a fact, that the age is a factor.
They're gonna be the number one pick, They're going to
get cam Ward to shoot Door Sanders. So I don't
think there's any chance at all that Aaron just goes
to Tennessee. I'm gonna throw in Pittsburgh. I'm gonna throw
in Pittsburgh because they made the playoffs last year with
another veteran in Russell Wilson, Okay, and I don't think

(29:10):
they were all happy with him, and look justin Fields,
he's a free agent. I think there's a possibility. However, However,
I don't think Mike Tomlin is gonna stand for Aaron
Rodgers going on the pat McAfee show every week. I
just don't think Mike Tomlin's gonna want that. You know,
he's gonna turn the TV on and see Aaron Rodgers

(29:31):
ripping his teammates with Pat McAfee. That ain't happening. Mike
Thomas not gonna stand for that. So even if there
was a possibility, I think that Mike Tomas gonna say,
uh uh, I don't want him. Here are you with
me on that?

Speaker 2 (29:45):
Well?

Speaker 4 (29:45):
I don't know if he's much better than the quarterback
play that they had last year, Like so if you're
not upgrading position, then why you just pushing it along?

Speaker 2 (29:54):
And the headache that comes with him, particularly.

Speaker 4 (29:57):
With all the I won't say outland but outlandish media
takes and that stuff just a lot to deal with.
So I'd just be very careful if I'm Mike Tomlin
and the Pittsburgh still is kind of getting into that
Aaron Rodgers lane those other spots that were mentioned. It's
more a desperation why it potentially could work there. It's

(30:19):
not out of hey man, let's make this work. He's
still playing at the top of his game. I don't
think you can put the genie back in the bottle.
When it comes to his game, You're trying to find
someone that can manage thing from a mental standpoint to
help your team win and win at high level.

Speaker 3 (30:33):
I'm gonna talk about the Raiders for a second. I
think that with Tom Brady being a minority partner over there,
I think he's got some He's got some juice, I
really do. I think that he was very vocal behind
the scenes because I didn't hear anything about it, and
hiring Pete Carroll now the oldest coach in NFL history,
So I don't think he would be afraid to bring
in a guy like Aaron Rodgers. And why do I

(30:55):
say that because Gardner, Minshew and Aid not O'Connell. Then
I got to get you to the playoffs. We knew
that in August that there was there was a problem
there with the Vegas quarterback situation. But the good news
is for them there's top quarterbacks in Sanders and uh
and the kid from Miami cam Ward kim Ward. I

(31:17):
think that they may still be available for the Raiders.
So if that's the possibility they're there. I think Aaron
Rodgers is finished.

Speaker 4 (31:25):
Yeah, I mean, look, I don't think he's the right, Uh,
he's not. He's an acquired taste, that's the best. And
so we'll have to see who wants to kind of
get into that lane and kind of deal with what
you have to deal with when you when you.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
Take him on.

Speaker 4 (31:42):
Look, he has some value, maybe some winning pedigree, qualities
those things, but you got to understand everything that comes
with him personality wise and all that. To me, it's
not an easy situation to step into and deal with.

Speaker 3 (31:59):
Now, I got to ask you a personal question. You
got your nose to the ground. In the National Football League.
You know players, and you have to mention names. I
won't do that to you, but have you talked to
players in the league that have been teammates of Aaron
Rodgers and what's the consensus of the kind of guy
he is and kind of teammate he is.

Speaker 4 (32:18):
Well, I can't say that I talked to anybody lately
that's been his teammates.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
But the people that have played with him, they love them.

Speaker 4 (32:24):
I mean really so outside perception is one thing, but
the guys that have played with them they absolutely adore
you know, they love them to go to back for him, all.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
Those other things.

Speaker 4 (32:33):
But I just know that the things that are done,
how he can go against he can underman minor coach
with his words, with his actions, and those things. You
just got to make sure he buys into the plan,
fully buys into the plan.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
That's the main thing.

Speaker 3 (32:49):
Let me throw one other team out there, and maybe
it's a possibility. I know they got a lot of
money committed to Deshaun Watson, But what about the Cleveland Browns.
Is there a possibility that Browns will go after Aaron
Rodgers because they were in the playoffs a year ago
with another old guy by the name of Joe Flacco.

Speaker 4 (33:08):
I can't I can't imagine that that would be an
option for the Browns. Given the turmoil that they've dealt
with with Deshaun Watson. I think they would just prefer
to have just like a clean break from all of
the headaches in silliness that goes along with like diva quarterbacks.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
I would look for them to have someone that is
polar opposite.

Speaker 3 (33:29):
Now I'm gonna give a storyline and this will probably
never happen, but you know, it's good father for me.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (33:35):
Back in the year twenty oh five, the number one pick,
the San Francisco forty nine is drafted Alex Smith over
Aaron Rodgers. Could they bring Aaron Rodgers back now?

Speaker 2 (33:48):
I mean, I just don't know. I don't know why.

Speaker 4 (33:52):
Like, so you're gonna get rid of brock Preide for
one year rental and Aaron Rodgers from a team building standpoint,
doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
You're talking about one maybe two years max right for.

Speaker 4 (34:04):
Aaron Rodgers, whereas you got Purty in his prime for
a long time.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
Yeah. I wouldn't make that move. I would.

Speaker 3 (34:12):
Yeah, But you do think he'll be playing next year?

Speaker 4 (34:15):
I think egotistically, yeah, he wants to play. I think
he wants to continue to play, So, yeah, he's gonna play.

Speaker 3 (34:21):
I would say this. I hope he does playing. Not
that I'm a big fan of Aaron Rodgers because if
he doesn't play, some network's gonna gobble him up as
an and I don't want to hear him on TV.
That's why I hope he plays. I don't want to
turn on the TV and listen to him.

Speaker 4 (34:36):
Yeah, I'm not even comment that he wants to go
in the TV like that, but maybe.

Speaker 3 (34:41):
I will see hiight. I watched Bucky Brooks was doing
those games on Sunday but then I wouldn't be able
to work with you. I mean, is there a possibility,
I mean, the network's gotta hire you. I mean, honestly,
I'm good at I love it. That sounds great. He
is Bucky Brooks. I'm Andy Freman. We are Fox Sports Sunday.
At Fox Sports. It was time for all the answers.

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the Ti Rock dot Com studios. Right now, It's time
for as Bucky. Let's get it done now. Let's go
back a week ago to the Super Bowl the halftime
show Kendrick Lamar and this performance for Kendrick Lamar came
a week after Lamar earned five more Grammy Awards than
most of any artist at the twenty twenty five ceremony.
It increased his career total to twenty two However, the

(35:47):
entertainment on the big stage for Kendrick, was it revenge
against Drake or was it truly entertainment? I got to
ask you.

Speaker 4 (35:58):
I would say that ahead little to do about Drake
and Moore, do about a political statement regarding the country
and the plight of black Americans in the country. And
so I think if you understand Kendrick Lamar and who
he is, he's a poet first, and so this was
a visual display of his art work playing at in
real time. And I think it might have gone over

(36:22):
the heads of some people who couldn't understand how all
the visual clues matched up. But to me, it was
more about making a statement and less about like the
music and playing the hits that are.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
Synonymous with who he is and what he is as
an artist.

Speaker 3 (36:39):
Yeah, the choreography was great, and obviously Samuel L. Jackson
was a clear like in his uncle Sam outit the
top hat. Maybe he was a moderator or maybe he
was Lamar's brain telling people what to do. I mean,
you're right, I mean I think it was more about
that than the music. And again, the choreography was unbelievable.
I mean, Serena Williams even showed up. So we move on,
all right? Do the United Soccer League the USL, they

(37:02):
intend to have twelve or fourteen team first division leagues
up and running in twenty twenty seven, twenty twenty eight.
That would operate as a separate and competing D one
entry from Major League Soccer. So Major League Soccer is
gonna have some competition. Your thoughts about that.

Speaker 8 (37:20):
Anytime you have an opportunity to have more jobs in
the pro level four not knowing the landscape, well when
it comes to soccer, you know, I don't know if
there's an appetite for it in terms of being able
to make it a functional deal where people will pay
money and go see them.

Speaker 2 (37:35):
But for the athletes, man, I love.

Speaker 4 (37:37):
I love just extending the opportunity beyond high school and
college to be able to kind of pursue a passion.

Speaker 3 (37:44):
It's interesting because the MLS is going to go on
Sunday night going against the NFL Football, so perhaps to
new chance se it has no chance.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
Why I would do that, that's suicide.

Speaker 3 (37:54):
So the NBA did on Christmas Day. They couldn't. They
have no chance, so they soccer will have no chance.
Now we move on, the Trump administration is giving schools
permission to ignore the rules requiring equitable treatment of female athletes,
telling them it's okay to funnel the nil millions of
dollars to footballermen's basketball players while throwing women athletes just

(38:14):
a couple of pennies. What is going on?

Speaker 4 (38:18):
I mean, what's going on is exactly what they said
and promised when they talked about getting rid of diversity, equity,
and inclusion.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
Women fall up under that.

Speaker 4 (38:29):
And so it's not a surprise to see them have
these attacks on Title nine and any other things. They've
made it a point, they ran on a platform to
eliminate those things, and they're carrying out what their voters,
in constition, we want.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
So I'm not surprised by it. Am I disappointed by it?

Speaker 4 (38:46):
Yeah, but that's when Trump won the presidency.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
This is part of the plan, and this is part
of the approach.

Speaker 3 (38:54):
And I'll say it sucks. How's that? All right? Speaking
of women, Autumn Lockwood she made history and Super fifty seven,
how she became the first black woman to coach in
the Super Bowl. Now, I won't know why isn't she
getting more exposure? She is, in fact the Rosa parks
of football.

Speaker 4 (39:11):
Well, we're at a time we're just coming off to
the last conversation diversity, equity, inclusion.

Speaker 2 (39:16):
We're not celebrating things that are.

Speaker 4 (39:20):
Tied to affinity groups, if you will, So no Black
History Months celebrations, We're not acknowledging those things.

Speaker 2 (39:28):
That's just kind of where we're at. And so despite
the great feat and.

Speaker 4 (39:32):
Accomplishment, we are at a point where people are scared
to acknowledge those things, particularly.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
When it's tied to race. And so it's a great
accomplishment for her.

Speaker 4 (39:40):
It's unfortunate that it flies under radar, but that's kind
of where we are at. That's the state of the
country right now.

Speaker 3 (39:46):
I will acknowledge it, and Buck, I will tell you
right now, I would love to get her on this show,
but I don't know if I want to wake her
up at that at a weird hour of the morning. Okay,
see if I could squeeze this one here. Travis Kelsey
said he won't make a swift decision on his playing future.
Why should Travis Kelce retire.

Speaker 4 (40:03):
I mean, like, look, it's every player like you want
to play as long as you can. I would say
he's a declining diminishing player. But if they want to
continue to pay him and let him play, then he
should play as long as he wants.

Speaker 3 (40:15):
There we go. Okay, he said it was a locker
for losers. That has so much more right here on
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Bucky Brooks, how are you? How are you? Post Super Bowl?

Speaker 2 (40:52):
Man?

Speaker 4 (40:52):
I can't complain. I'm excited that we're turning the page.
We're done with the twenty twenty four campaign and our
are on twenty twenty five, the draft and all the
things that are going to be great about watching teams
put together new squads.

Speaker 3 (41:07):
Does it get tougher for you in this postseason, post
football Super Bowl because you kind of do these mock draft?
How many mock drafts do you do and the work
that you have to do to uncover who's going to
go wear and what players are going to be drafted.

Speaker 4 (41:21):
Yeah, I mean like anytime you start looking at the
next year's class, I mean it becomes a challenge. The
mock draft stuff is for entertainment value, right. It's everyone
in their mom does a mock draft and putting in
the dogs.

Speaker 3 (41:32):
It's not so how many people do how many do you?

Speaker 2 (41:35):
I don't know, like four or five that they have
me do or whatever.

Speaker 4 (41:38):
But I care less about the mock draft and more
about the list where you have top fives in those
things because to me, that's when my opinion really comes out.
Like the mock drafts are what I think people are
gonna do, not necessarily what I would do. When I'm
ranking someone one to five, one to ten, that's how
I really feel about those players.

Speaker 3 (41:58):
Well, while you're doing the mock I'll be watching basketball
because this is you know, march Manness time. And I
do want to give a shout out because I love
Kelvin Sampson. I love the fact that he came back
to college basketball and he's dominating. I mean, first year
in the Big Twelve. I mean, this guy is dominating
the Big twelve last year and this year. He really
it's amazing to me. I mean, I look at University

(42:19):
of Cincinnati. They came in, they can't get a five
hundred record in the Big twelve. I don't know what
he does. He must be one hell of a coach.
And I watched that game yesterday against Arizona and they
beat Arizona and they really beat him up physically, and
they were back and forth until like the last seven
eight minutes of that ballgame and then they took control.
He's one hell of a coach, he really is. I
remember when he coached in Indiana and they read some problems

(42:40):
there with the NCAA. Then he went to the Milwaukee
Bucks as an assistant, and now he's in Houston and
really he's turned that program around. I'll get some kudos
to Kelvin Sampson.

Speaker 2 (42:49):
Yeah. Now they're tough squad.

Speaker 4 (42:50):
And watching that game it was on right before Carolina played,
I had a chance to watch, you know, Houston play and.

Speaker 2 (42:57):
They're tough to scrappy. They really are.

Speaker 4 (42:59):
Defensive minded team. But against Arizona, they were hitting three pointers.
They were hitting shots early, and Arizona's a good team.
Arizona's kind of remade themselves in terms of the image
from being an offensive team to being more scrappy and
gritty on defense.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
Really good game.

Speaker 4 (43:14):
But you can't say enough about the job that Kevin
Sampson has done in Houston.

Speaker 2 (43:19):
I want to say the.

Speaker 4 (43:20):
Record is twenty seven and four, twenty eight and four,
something like that.

Speaker 2 (43:23):
That conference ridiculous that.

Speaker 4 (43:26):
You know he's been able to accomplish as a tough
minded team much like the coach, no.

Speaker 3 (43:31):
Doubt about that. I want to move into a little
bit of football situation. What's happened over the last several days,
and it was the great Lincoln Kennedy. And I say
Lincoln Kennedy is great. I love him to death. I
love him, maybe almost as much as I love you, really,
but I love Lincoln Kennedy. He was my former Foxbuts
radio partner. We used to work on Sundays and he

(43:51):
told me the worst thing you could ever call an athlete,
any athlete in any sport, is the word soft. And
I remember I mentioned that, and you even agree with
me on that. Correct, We just don't say that, all right,
But the next thing must be the words loser. And
that's what former Carolina quarterback Cam Newton called the Carolina
Panthers locker room a locker room of losers. I don't

(44:15):
know why he did it, but let's take a listen
to Cam Newton. He was with the Fourth and One
Cam Newton Podcast. This is what he said.

Speaker 9 (44:23):
When I was the first pick, I went into a
locker room of losers.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
How did you end the pressure of being the top pick.
Let's put it in perspective.

Speaker 10 (44:29):
You're the top pick because what no, no, no, no
that you're looking at it from a personal situation. I'm
talking about from the professional situation. You're the top pick
because that was the worst team in the NFL the
year before.

Speaker 9 (44:42):
For me, I wanted to be the number one pick.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
You could potentially be.

Speaker 9 (44:45):
The first pick, but bro, you have no way of
impacting the game like a quarterback.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
Down.

Speaker 9 (44:49):
You can lock down the number one receiver, you can
make impact plays on offense all you want, but it's
still not like a quarterback. My issue is when I
was the first pick, I went into a locker room
of losers. Guys in how to win, guys who know
how to prepare it. It was a culture shock for me.
The games don't mean a lot to a lot of
people in the league like you would expect.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
It's just money. Not everybody has capabilities to be impact players.
They're just players.

Speaker 3 (45:13):
Wow. Cam Newton on the fourth and one podcast with
Cam Newton saying when he went to Carolina, it was
a locker room full of losers. And my first question
when I'm hearing this is like why, why, now, why
are you doing And I guess the answer would be
in this day and age, and I'm going GoF on
a tangent a little bit, you do it for clicks.

(45:34):
You know, we're in a life now, We're in an
area where athletes and people in sports sports media are
into sports takes. Takes in sports not so much that
one who says it believes what he says. But they
said for sensationalism, for podcast clicks, to get your name

(45:54):
out there. And that's my take. That's why Cam Newton
did it. There is no reason whatsoever for him to
attack the team that wrote checks to him, and he
did well with them. I mean he did. He was
an MVP in the Super Bowl. Right now, I mean,
no one really cares what the Carolina Panthers. So all
of a sudden, he goes off and says, a locker
room full of losers, I don't get it. Maybe you

(46:15):
have the answer why he would say that, I don't.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
Because it was true.

Speaker 4 (46:19):
The team was one in fifteen before he got there,
and he was trying to tell Travis Hunter because Travis
Hunter wants to be the number one pick. He was saying, Man,
if you're the number one overall pick, you're putting yourself
in a no win situation because you can't impact the
game like a quarterback. So if the team is one
in fifteen, one to sixteen this year.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
Then they sucked.

Speaker 4 (46:40):
Next year, they gonna look to you as a non
impactful player or in addition to the team, whereas if
you were a quarterback, the quarterback touches the ball every play.
Everyone acknowledges that the quarterback has the most influence and
impact on the game. That is why those guys go
number one for Cam. Though, I think people on to

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the comments that he said loser and those things, you
got to remember Cam Newton at the time was coming
off of winning a national championship at Auburn. He only
had one pro with him on that that was Nick Farley.
No one else on that team was a pro of significance.
It was Cam newtonick Farley leading Auburn to a national title.

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So in his mind, he's like, yes, I'm a winner,
I'm coming from a winning program, I have winning petigree.
I Am going to use that influence to help these
guys learn how to win in those things. And by
and large, that is what he did in Carolina. I
think people like people in the public are funny because
it depends on who utters it right. Because there's a

(47:44):
disdain for Cam Newton because he was a polarizing player,
not only as a collegiate but as a professional. People
always kind of latch on to see the negativity and
what he says. But what he's saying has been said.
I've said in front office meetings where they talk about
we need to bring in players from winning organizations, who
were captains, who were leaders, so that they can infuse

(48:07):
the locker room with positivity, optimism, and professionalism to allow
us to win. What Cam is saying is right because
that's how most people within the league think. When you're
at the top, you're picking at the top of the draft,
your team was not great and so that's a truthful statement.

Speaker 3 (48:24):
You know, it's funny because I found Cam Newton to
be rather engaging. Back when they had the Super Bowl
in Indianapolis, I was on Radio Row and I chatted
with Cam Newton and I even asked him about social
media at the time, and he says he doesn't do that,
so he's changed. I guess, you know, you change with
the times because there's money to be made with social media,

(48:47):
and maybe that's why he did it. But Steve Smith
Senior took exception to what Sam said with Cam said,
and I guess that's exactly what Cam want in a response.
You say something, but you know, you want to make
sure someone's listen. You got a response. So what happened
was Cam Newton says, I'm not specifically talking about the guys.
I'm talking about the culture that was there prior to

(49:10):
me coming to the locker room that was a loser's mentality. Well,
it is the guys they're in the locker room, isn't it.
I mean just just say, if you played with Cam
Newton and you heard this, will you be a little
p oed?

Speaker 4 (49:26):
I mean, I guess, like having not played there, I
don't know what the terms was. But I'm gonna say, man,
when you lose that amount of games, the culture is
not right, Like there's something that's missing within the culture
when you lose, when you lose a significant amount of games,
there's something that's eating away, Like, yeah, you can be
a developmental squad and those things, but there's still some
people on that team that don't fully buy into what

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it is that you're selling as a coach, as an organization.
I think he's acknowledging that that is a loser's mentality,
and that loses mentality develops quickly if you're not careful,
and so you do have to eradicate it. You got
to get it out of there. You got to figure
out a way for us to win. You got to
flip the mindset.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
And it takes new blood, new energy.

Speaker 4 (50:09):
People coming in from winning programs to be able to
do that, because when you're a professional, you can get
paid regardless of whether the team wins or loses, and
so it becomes a very much a me centric endeavor.
Yeah I'm on the team, but as long as I
get mine, I'm gonna be okay.

Speaker 2 (50:25):
So you begin to think.

Speaker 4 (50:26):
About yourself as opposed to lifting up the team. I'm
sure he's talking about some of that too. When you
walk into a locker room like that, you do have
people that are playing for themselves and not playing for
the entire team.

Speaker 3 (50:39):
You brought up a word that I keep on hearing
over and over again, and maybe you could dissect it
from me because and even Cam Newton said this, I'm
not specifically talking about the guys. I'm talking about the
culture that was there prior to him coming to that
locker room. It was to lose his mentality. I want
to know when and if this word culture came into

(51:00):
to play in the world of sports. What is culture
to me? You've got a coach that knows how to win.
You get players, you coach them up, you get winning players,
and that's it and you win. You know, culture is
not a long term effect. You know, you got the
San Francisco forty nine ers has had a winning culture,
did have one last year, right the Cincinnati Bengals for

(51:22):
the longest time out of losing culture, They've got Joe Burrow,
they go to the Super Bowl. Now they're back to
where they were again. So the culture cannot be long
term And basically, what is it and how do you
form culture on a team.

Speaker 4 (51:38):
Well, here's what I'll say, because I think the word
has been hijacked. Above word because you have a lot
of different people, whether it's from business or whatever, that
have jumped into team sports. They look to team sports
and they want to take bits and pieces or whatever.
Culture is basically a group of people that share the
same vision and values when it comes to being successful.

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They're able to be committed, accountable, and trustworthy to one another.
They're willing to put the interests of the team or
company ahead of their own individual interests, and it's important
for them that everybody that is on the team has
the same kind of mentality. People don't like to use
the word culture because everyone talks.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
About it and they're like, oh, it's annoying. Every team
has culture.

Speaker 4 (52:22):
No culture allows you to sustain success. They're teams that
can have a good year, but teams with great cultures
sustain their success time and time again. And those traits
and values I passed down from older.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
Players to younger players.

Speaker 4 (52:41):
And so if you think about traditions, it is part
of that. Traditions and a belief system and rules and
standards and all of that that's passed down from one
generation to the next. So when you step into the
locker room, there's an expectation.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
A for us, this is how we get down here.

Speaker 4 (53:00):
Don't know how it was at other places, but for us,
this is what the expectations are. It is clearly communicated,
it's acted upon, and if you fall short of the line,
they quickly correct you and bring you back into the fold,
or they get rid of you.

Speaker 3 (53:16):
I hate to put you on the spot, but I'm
going to do it anyway. I'm going to throw a
couple of teams out there, and you tell me what
happened to the culture? You know, when the New England
Patriots are winning Super Bowls and Bill Belichick was the coach,
I guess people said they had great culture. Great, he's gone. Now,
I mean, where's the tradition. There's no culture there now.
They were terrible last year. They were of the worst
teams in the National Football League. So it's culture. An

(53:39):
individual that brings the culture. I mean, does it stay
with the team, How does it work? I mean, I
hear it all the time and people just throw the
term out there behind the microphone. They have no idea
what it means. I want to know what it means.
And Bucky Brooks, you played the game, so you know
what it means. You played on teams that maybe may
effect quote bad culture. Now, the New England Patriots had
great culture until Bill Belichick left and Tom.

Speaker 4 (54:01):
Brady and to remember, everyone run him out because he
had some losings.

Speaker 2 (54:10):
But if you go you're looking at.

Speaker 3 (54:16):
I think we lost my partner.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
It was the tight games and he's less salent and
so everyone.

Speaker 4 (54:22):
Was like, oh, I gotta get him out. He's Tom Brady.
Tom Brady's everything this and that. No, but when you
remove the leader and.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
The gatekeeper of the culture, the culture changed.

Speaker 4 (54:30):
And also what the Patriots wanted, and this was by
Robert Kraft, the different type culture. They wanted it more peaceful,
let's go along and get along culture. So drop Mayo
and these other guys, and they tried to do everything
drastically different than it was done under the twenty years
with Bill Belichick. And we saw what it looked like terrible.

Speaker 2 (54:52):
So what did they go?

Speaker 4 (54:52):
And do they go and get Mike Rabel who has
a culture that is very similar to the one that
Bill Belichick operates, whereas Hard knows it's gritty.

Speaker 2 (55:01):
It's tough, it's a lot of work, a lot of.

Speaker 4 (55:03):
Demands, but out of those demands come great results because
everyone is held accountable to meeting the standard. So yeah,
like I'm not surprised to see it happen in New England.
Once they let that go, you can't bring it back.
If you allow it to slip, it's hard to bring
it back. And so that's why you have to have gatekeepers.
Bill Belichick was the gatekeeper and they had a lot
of players who believed.

Speaker 2 (55:24):
And listening to Teddy.

Speaker 4 (55:25):
Bruski talk on TV about the culture that they had,
I worked with.

Speaker 2 (55:29):
Willim McGinnis, William McGinnis.

Speaker 4 (55:30):
We're talking about the expectations and how players held each
other to a high standard.

Speaker 2 (55:35):
It is those things.

Speaker 4 (55:36):
It's not just the coach telling you, but it's players
taking the baton from the coach and saying.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
Coach, we got it.

Speaker 4 (55:41):
We're going to make sure that everyone here upholds the
standards and the expectations.

Speaker 3 (55:46):
Oh this so now I'm hearing. I mean, the coach
is a vital part of the so called culture, and
I think I'd rather have a coach that could bring
that culture to a locker room that knows culture, not
a handler couture more so than maybe extras and o's. Right,
look at the One More team. Let's look at the
Raiders for the longest time, Al Davis. He had a

(56:07):
hell of a culture out there and went down the crapper,
it really did. So you got to get a coach
who could mold a team into that culture, that a
winning attitude. And I'd rather have that kind of a
guy more so than a guy who was an expert
with extras and o's and stays up till two in
the morning watching film.

Speaker 4 (56:24):
Really, I would say it's a few different things, because
some what you're saying is correct, but it extends beyond that.
A great culture is more than just what the coach does.
A great culture is created when ownership establishes a here's
some of the things that we believe in. When we

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see our team or anyone that goes into the organization,
they need to have these characteristics when.

Speaker 2 (56:51):
It comes to their core values.

Speaker 4 (56:54):
Tough, hardworking, smart, detailed this and that. So it's not
only the coach bringing it is the owner for the
hero expectations for our employees. And then a coach takes
his cue. Yeah, m hmm, this is what.

Speaker 2 (57:16):
We believe in.

Speaker 4 (57:16):
People hate it, but look, I'm a big fan of
the Miami Heat, right he all those other things, and
people think it's like that.

Speaker 1 (57:25):
When we walked to.

Speaker 4 (57:26):
The building, people that play there, that worked there, talking
about it is very expectations. Are you for us? They're clearly,
it's clearly communicated. You're you're held accountable, meaning those things.

(57:47):
Coach bring some things, but without the support of ownership,
it doesn't work. Let's look at Detroit and Dan Campbell
because he wasn't an X and OS guy, but.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
He talked at that first presser about how they.

Speaker 4 (57:58):
Were going to be and it came off like wearding punky,
like well, you're gonna bite kneecaps, whatever, but you're talking
about the grit and the feistiness.

Speaker 2 (58:06):
Ownership was in lockstep with him.

Speaker 4 (58:08):
So when he started back, because he started out terrible
there three and thirteen, they were one and six the
next year, and then it flipped. They believed in this visit,
they wanted that and anybody what the city of Detroit
was also.

Speaker 3 (58:20):
About sounds great, all right, I got it. I understand now.
And there's a couple of other things I want to
get to with you. That involves one of the teams
you're working with, so we'll get to that as well.
He is Bucky Brooks. Get him on Twitter, Get him
on ex at Bucket Brooks had Andy Furman FSR. Get
us on the phone. Yes, we'll chat with you if
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(59:44):
there's a bigger story, and the biggest story I think
may involve Bucky Brooks because you're involved to some extent,
I know with the Jacksonville Jaguars, right, and there's a
trade I guess the jack jack talking about a possible
trade maybe with the Steelers for quarterback Trevor Lawrence to
the Steelers. What are you hearing on this?

Speaker 4 (01:00:06):
That it was nothing, there's nothing to it, that the
conversation was nothing. That summers seeing that the conversation never happened.
I can't imagine the Jaguars being willing to trade Trevor
Lawrence given the commitment to him, given the fact that
they hired a head coach with him specifically in mind.
So yeah, I don't think there was anything to it.

(01:00:27):
And also you have to remember the jacksman Jaguars are
operating without a true general manager. Ethan Wall right now
is the interim general manager, but I can't imagine Sha
Khan signing off on any major deals right now to
the new general manager is in place. So to me,
it was a lot about nothing good.

Speaker 3 (01:00:44):
And they said there was report that circulated. I think
it was this past Thursday, after the Steelers asked the
Jaguars about Lawrence and it was on the Big ten network.
I think it was reported there. And then all of
a sudden, I think the Jaguars disputed the report. You know,
I never understood that it's not true, and you tell
me it's not true, and you would know you got
some inside information. Why dispute it? Just ignore it? I mean,

(01:01:06):
why go out there and dispute it, because you can
only look foolish. I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong about that,
but the Jags disputed it. Maybe you got to dispute
that because people get up in arms and fans go crazies.
Maybe that's why they did that. But I wouldn't dispute it.
Just ignore it, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
Just igno.

Speaker 4 (01:01:24):
Yeah, the ignoring thing doesn't work like as much as
we say, because then a lack of acknowledge is viewed
as an omission of guilt. So if they didn't do it,
they need to come out and say, oh no, we
weren't involved in this.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
This is a leak from the other side, not from outside.

Speaker 4 (01:01:38):
We love Trevor this and that because the player, regardless
of whether it's real or not.

Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
The player, now.

Speaker 4 (01:01:45):
Here's the rumors and he thinks that it's true unless
you come out an issue of flat denial. So you
have to do it to protect a relationship with the player.

Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
Good point.

Speaker 3 (01:01:55):
Okay, I didn't know that, and that's why you're here,
because you set me straight. You got I detour off
the high a little bit, and you pushed me right
back on my lane. That's good. Now, let's talk about
Trevor Lawrence. For a second number one overall pick in
the draft of twenty twenty one, he threw for over
two thousand yards, eleven touchdown seven. It tis last year.
He was injured a little bit, completed almost sixty one
percent of his passes, signed a five year, two enty
seventy five million contract. All right, here's my question. Eagles

(01:02:18):
win the Super Bowl. Do the Eagles win the Super
Bowl with Trevor Lawrence's quarterback.

Speaker 2 (01:02:25):
I don't think so. I don't think so.

Speaker 4 (01:02:28):
I think Jalen Hurst is the right guy for that team,
not only because of what he does on the field,
with his athleticism, his arm, his legs. I think he's
a common influence that allows his team to be at
his best. When your coach is emotional, like Nick sirianni is,
you need a grown up in the room, a mature
leader to can handle everything and balance it all out.

(01:02:49):
That's what Jalen Hurst is. I love Trevor Lawrence, but
Trevor Lawrence is different in terms of that capacity. Like,
I don't think you can just simply swap him in
and say older are going to Super Bowl.

Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
And Nigga do the same things.

Speaker 4 (01:03:02):
I think that's being dismissive and disrespectful of Jalen Hurst's
talents and his contributions.

Speaker 3 (01:03:07):
How was she viewed in Jacksonville? You would know better
than most. I mean not only with the media, but
with the fans, because I know Joe Burrow could do
no wrong. He walks on water here in Cincinnati.

Speaker 4 (01:03:18):
I mean, look, Trevor's favorably viewed. I think people feel
like Trevor's gotten a raw deal in Jacksonville. You think
about the constant turnover and coaches. He's already working on
his third head coach, several different offensive coordinators, never necessarily
had the front line in front of him to protect him,
and then some of it is on him, you know,

(01:03:40):
unfairly for Trevor. He was hailed as a generational talent
from the time he stepped on the field high school
in college, and so everyone just continues to repeat those words,
generational talent, generational.

Speaker 2 (01:03:51):
Talent, he was the next Alway, etc. Etc.

Speaker 4 (01:03:54):
Trevor Lawrence has potentially be a top five quarterback in
this league, but he has to grow on the field.

Speaker 2 (01:04:01):
His game has to go up a notch.

Speaker 4 (01:04:03):
But he's a really good player and he does a
lot of good stuff. It's just that it hasn't translated
into wins, and the last couple of years he's been
beat up. But I would say his Q rating is
pretty positive in Jacksonville.

Speaker 2 (01:04:14):
Now it's about not only loving who he is as.

Speaker 4 (01:04:17):
A person, but now making sure that that player the
impact is felt where people not only love him as
a person, but they love him as a playmaker.

Speaker 3 (01:04:26):
All right, good here, Now, now you mentioned the fact
that you're excited about looking forward to draft or your
mock drafts, and what's going on right now. You know,
let's take a peek at the future right now. I
don't think it's too early. We talk about some of
the surprise. Let the Commanders and Vikings big surprises this
past season. Okay, well, no, who's going to be the
big surprise next year? I don't think it's too early.

(01:04:47):
I'm looking at a couple of teams and one of
them is the La Charger. The people are gonna say, well,
they were a surprise this year. They went from five
wins to eleven. I just think that, you know, Jim
Holbar is not finished. I mean, he's got a lot
of money in the cap space. I just think that
this could be a real big surprise next year. You
get another wide out guy for Justin Harbitt, and you

(01:05:07):
don't know how far this team the Charges can go.

Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
I'm with you, I mean, I think the Charges are
right there. You're one of Jim Harbor.

Speaker 4 (01:05:16):
Era was very successful in terms of implementing the plan,
revamping the culture, getting the right type guys in the
locker room. Now it's about upgrading the roster with playmakers.
We talked about lat mcconcky, immediate impact player on a
thousand yards as a rookie, but they need someone on
the other side that can alleviate some of the burden
on him to carry the load. I'll say a running

(01:05:36):
game running back JK. Dobbins is a free agent. They
were able to get away with him, and I guess
that was in those things. But man, a Marquie running
back changes everything when it comes to it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:45):
So there's some things that the Charges can do.

Speaker 4 (01:05:47):
They gotta make decisions on the pass Rusus Khalil Mack
and Joey Bosa, but they should be right there, and
they should be right there for the foreseeable future.

Speaker 3 (01:05:55):
I'm gonna ask a big ee now, Okay. I love
Jim Howbaugh. I think he's a marvelous Oh. You're a
great motivator, no doubt about that. And you talk about
the term culture. He's changed cultures basically at University of
Michigan and now he's doing it in LA with the Charges.
And I want to know what kind of a difference
a coach makes. If Jim Harbaugh would coach the Cincinnati Bengals,

(01:06:15):
would they have more success.

Speaker 4 (01:06:18):
If they fully gave him the autonomy to coach a
team his way. Yes, because he's an old school coach
who believes in certain things.

Speaker 2 (01:06:25):
They're gonna be a tough.

Speaker 4 (01:06:26):
Team, they're gonna be a smart team when it comes
to situations. They have a clear identity and they're gonna.

Speaker 2 (01:06:31):
Play to that at all times.

Speaker 4 (01:06:33):
So they're eventually going to be a better team because
everyone is going to know exactly what's expected. You're gonna
know what we're gonna run, what our brand is, like,
how we're gonna play. And I'll say this, like they
play a style of ball that everyone's not built to play.
When you run right at people and you're physical and
you're subtly creative with your past concepts that manage you

(01:06:53):
run stuff you're hard to deal with, harder to defin.
So not he's going to build when or wherever he goes.
I've seen it up close and personal. University of San Diego, Din, Stanford,
Den San Francisco, Michigan, and now the Chargers.

Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
Why would it ever change there?

Speaker 3 (01:07:09):
You go, Okay, so we got the charge, we put
a check marks. I think I'm gonna throw in the
Seattle Seahawks. And you're gonna say, well, why is that?
Because I know they only moved from nine wins to
ten wins this past year, but their defense made a
big jump on the Mike McDonald as a new head coach,
and it was his first season. I think they went
like from twenty ninth in points allowed to like fourth
or fifth in the league. And he's a pretty good,

(01:07:31):
real good defensive coach. But I think the problem with
Seattle right now has to be the offense. What is
going to be the future with Gino Smith? Is it
time to get another quarterback, maybe a franchise quarterback on
the wings getting him developed. What's the story with their
quarterback situation in Seattle?

Speaker 4 (01:07:49):
Well, I mean I think they would have continue to
look for young quarterbacks. I mean that's always going to
be part of what they do. But Sam Howell is
on the roster. He had started some games in Washed
and he's young ish, you know, twenty five, twenty six
steel enough growth potential that you can worry about. And Gino,
for all the things that people hate about him, man,

(01:08:09):
Gino is really good when he's put in an offense
that plays to his strengths as a rhythm passer. The
ball has to come out quickly, but you gotta have
guys that can get open quickly, and you got to
create concepts that allow them to get open quickly.

Speaker 2 (01:08:21):
That's part of the reason why Clint.

Speaker 4 (01:08:23):
Kubiak could be involved, is because they want to go
to a run play.

Speaker 2 (01:08:29):
Action system that marries together.

Speaker 4 (01:08:32):
So the shots that Gino takes is look an excellent
deep all thrower. You're scoring touchdowns as supposed to just
getting first downs.

Speaker 3 (01:08:38):
Okay, I'm going to throw in. One of the teams
that'll be a surprise next year is a San Francisco
forty nine. Is the people are gonna gasp, don't hold
your breath through. I know, I know they were six
and eleven. I'm not writing that team off. They got
a hell of a culture. And I'm using that term
because I'm learning it from you. They've been the two
Super Bowls in the last six years and had too
many injuries right now to write them off six and eleven,

(01:08:59):
and they got a new defensive coordinator. I know he
couldn't make it as a head coach in New York
with the Jets, Robert Saylor, but I think Sala is
going to do a heck of a job defensively, and
they did a decent job defensively, but look what they missed.
You know, Auk, Brandon, Auk towards ACL Christian mccaffreys missed
a lot of the games last year. I just think
that Nick Boser missed a couple of games, right, Troy Williams,

(01:09:21):
he missed a lot of games. So there's just too
many guys missing too many games. I think the forty
nine ers will surprise and they'll be back.

Speaker 4 (01:09:29):
I think they take him a couple of years to
get back, because the thing that helped San Francisco forty
nine is get to the top is the thing that
you saw play out in the Super Bowl.

Speaker 2 (01:09:36):
They were dominant in the trenches, particularly on the defensive line.

Speaker 4 (01:09:39):
They're no longer that team, you know, they no longer
have all those first round picks committed to the line
of scrimmage. And what you're saying is you're not getting
the same kind of impact that you used to get
from that pastorst that front.

Speaker 2 (01:09:52):
They have to go back to who they are. Remembered.

Speaker 4 (01:09:55):
The main ingredients of the championship recipe was defensive line.
Talent driven defensive line six seven, eight bodies that you
could throw in and have success. Until they get back
to that, it doesn't matter. We're talking about a bunch
of different things. Until they get back to playing the
right way, they won't win.

Speaker 3 (01:10:12):
Interesting Okay, And look, Deebo Samuel, I mean they may
be getting rid of him. He may be gone. That's
a loss.

Speaker 4 (01:10:19):
Yeah. I mean, like, look, he's not a route runner.
He's a playmaker. And as teams are figuring out how
to crack the code, they're playing more man demand.

Speaker 2 (01:10:29):
He can't get open.

Speaker 4 (01:10:30):
He's rendered useless in an offense because he's not a
premier route runner against tight, sticky coverage.

Speaker 2 (01:10:37):
So you have to figure out a way how do
you get him involved.

Speaker 4 (01:10:39):
He didn't want to do the running back thing anymore
because he said that right after he sounded his big contract.
Like so so now you got to figure it out.
That's a lot, you know, a lot. There's a lot
of pressure. It's a lot to deal with. And uh,
I think as this team gets older, you have to
make hard decisions. And I say the hard decisions need
to meet made a year two soon rather than a
year two late.

Speaker 2 (01:10:59):
Because they can cripple your franchise and.

Speaker 3 (01:11:02):
That's what the Patriots used to do all the time,
get rid of the guy before before the year too soon.
And look, I will say this, you're not putting a
CHECKMNK next to the forty nine ers. You don't think
they may be in the playoffs next year.

Speaker 4 (01:11:14):
No, I'm not putting it. I'm not putting it in
there because they have put a lot of question marks.
I mean, I don't know who their wide receiver is
going to be.

Speaker 2 (01:11:20):
Brandon A.

Speaker 4 (01:11:21):
You trade away Deebo saying your brand Nayuck is coming
off an ACL injury. It may take him a year
and a half, two years to come back and be
the guy that we once saw.

Speaker 2 (01:11:28):
Yeah, a lot of uncertainty.

Speaker 3 (01:11:30):
Okay, I am putting a check mark next to the
Carolina Panthers, and don't say what I know. They were
five and twelve. However, they have their franchise quarterback I
believe it in Bryce Young, and they went four and
five the last nine games. Twenty touchdowns, eight turnovers. Okay,
since he was benched, and maybe the benching was a
good thing. I don't know, but he certainly turned it
around in the final three games. I look this up,

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Bryce Young, ten touchdowns, no turnovers. It's unbelievable. They got
something going on now with Bryce Young the Carolina Panthers.
I know the defense force the league. I know that,
but I still think they got a shot here.

Speaker 4 (01:12:07):
Yeah they got a shot, but I'm not willing to
go all in like you're willing to go in. But
now they definitely have a shot to be one of
those teams, this last team standing. But they're gonna have
to upgrade some things. They still need more firepower, more weaponry.
Like you can't beat a Bryce Young show just from
the pocket. That's not how he operates at his best.
They got to balance out the sothfense with the playmakers
so they can do it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:27):
But yeah, I mean, I dig it. I understand.

Speaker 3 (01:12:29):
Well. One of the reasons I'm saying that because the
NFC South is really not that good of a division,
so I think they got a chance to move up.
That's a key too.

Speaker 2 (01:12:39):
I mean that is key.

Speaker 4 (01:12:40):
I mean, like everyone not being great certainly helps, but
injuries are a big part of everything, and they've been injured.
It really beat up team. Can you win with a
beat up team? Ter year after year we didn't even
talk about Chritian McCaffrey and his injury, and all these
guys are inch and over thirty, and at thirty, some
guys can just their games will fall off a cliff.
That's why I'm worried about the Niners. They have some

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older guys that are sett in prominent roles. George Kittle,
You know, I mean you just have you just got
to be careful because when it goes, it goes quickly.

Speaker 3 (01:13:10):
Yeah, how old were you when you left the league
twenty eight? Really was it going?

Speaker 2 (01:13:16):
Then?

Speaker 3 (01:13:16):
You feel you felt it going down a little bit?

Speaker 4 (01:13:18):
Then uh, yeah, you can feel it slipping. I wasn't
am I Brian. But you look and it's different for
the guys we were talking about the stars. I'm a journeyman,
special contribute or whatever you are.

Speaker 2 (01:13:31):
But but but it's different.

Speaker 4 (01:13:33):
But the stars, you can see it because here's the
difference between role players and stars and crucial moments. The
stars is expected to deliver every time their number is
called upon. Role Players don't don't get that pressure, nor
that a claim. So there's a lot to being a
star in this league. And their stars are older, and
you worry can they get back to being healthy and

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being available when you have those big games.

Speaker 3 (01:13:57):
That's why Travis Kelsey should retire Starr and he's not
getting it.

Speaker 4 (01:14:01):
I never tell them, man, if they're gonna give you
fourteen million dollars and let you run around and do
whatever like, you don't stop playing until they stop paying,
and so you keep continue to keep it and then
figure it out as you go.

Speaker 3 (01:14:13):
Okay, another surprise, the last one less surprise him. And
you mentioned it that the coach is gonna change now
because Mike Rabel's the new coach of the New England Patriots.
There are four and thirteen, maybe the worst team in
the league last year, and maybe that's why Girard Mao's gone.
But I think they could turn it around. And I'm
not saying a playoff team. I just think they'll be
a surprise. I think they could be very close. So

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maybe even five hundred next year. And Drake may you
a guy for North Carolina franchise quarterback in the making?

Speaker 2 (01:14:42):
Oh for sure. He just needs time. He needs more seasoning.

Speaker 4 (01:14:46):
And the only way he can did he's got to
go out there and go through the rough patches and
everyone has to be patient and wait for it to develop.

Speaker 2 (01:14:52):
But the pop corn Coronals efencly gonna pop.

Speaker 3 (01:14:56):
So you like that, you think they can be five
hundred next year.

Speaker 4 (01:15:00):
It depends on how they're able to manipulate the draft.
I mean it depends on.

Speaker 3 (01:15:05):
All Right, are there any teams that we didn't discuss
that you want to throw in the mix that may
be a surprise next year?

Speaker 4 (01:15:13):
Washing I would say the Washington Commanders, but everyone is
gonna say that because of Jayden. I'm gonna say the
Green Bay Packers because their draft and developed movement is real.
You see the young players that are playing and contributing
for them. They're playing it like Pro Bowl or like
Pro Bowl or all pro levels. You love that part
of it. So, uh, the Commanders have won, the Packers,

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the youth and development movement, all those guys, the lines
will be there. Then it's usual suspects. I think it's
hard to predict which teams can come out of nowhere
until you see how the off season unfolds, like with
free agency and cat movement and those things. But uh,
there's always one thing.

Speaker 2 (01:15:52):
We know.

Speaker 4 (01:15:52):
There's always a team that's in the bottom rung that
shoots and vaults to the top of the thing.

Speaker 3 (01:15:57):
So we'll see there we go, Bucky Brooks, Andy Furman,
Fox Sports Sunday on Fox Sports Ready, and I was
time for a change. We call it yay or nay
and it's freaking next. It's time for yay ornay. Yes,
this is Fox Sports Sunday and Fox Sports Ready were
life at thet iraq dot Com studios. He's Bucky Brooks,

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I'm Andy Furman. Right now, let's play yay h nay.

Speaker 7 (01:16:21):
Okay, let's beget rock those brains, gentlemen, these stories needed us.

Speaker 2 (01:16:27):
I think we need a ruling on this yay or nay.

Speaker 3 (01:16:31):
Okay. Here's our main man, our executive producer, Patrick Sweeka.
You're gonna take control here of yay r na. So
get it going, my.

Speaker 1 (01:16:39):
Man, all right, let's get it going.

Speaker 5 (01:16:40):
Bucky and Andy Well, I'm gonna start us off with
our first yea or nae.

Speaker 3 (01:16:44):
So wait a minute, Wait a minute, wait a minute,
what happened with Bonna Barow? Ben?

Speaker 1 (01:16:48):
Oh? With bottom barrel?

Speaker 5 (01:16:49):
Ben? Well, I'm gonna tell you this. I was left
out a little hanging, but I'm gonna say this. I
think I already know who the winner is, just based
off of just the collective last couple of months. Your
winner and final results of bottom barrel betting is with
a runaway Bucky Brooks.

Speaker 1 (01:17:07):
Congratulations.

Speaker 3 (01:17:09):
First of all, I want to congratulate Bucket, but I
don't think it was a runaway he won. I mean, congratulations.
Now we're not keeping score for the No, you're not. Okay,
let's get.

Speaker 5 (01:17:21):
It going, all right, let's get it going. So, guys,
we have the NBA All Star Game today. Yeah, we
have another new format. So the twenty four All Stars
are divided into three teams of eight.

Speaker 1 (01:17:32):
We have the Rising Stars.

Speaker 5 (01:17:33):
Championship team will comprise of another squad in a four
team mini tournament. Winner of the semi finals will play
in the final. First team to hit forty points is
the winner of each game. So yay or nay?

Speaker 1 (01:17:46):
And he starts off.

Speaker 3 (01:17:48):
Let me tell you some Adam Silva. You need like
a computer to figure out how to play this. Leave
the freaking game alone. You gotta be a genius to
figure this out. The NBA All Star Game. I know
they scored over to a points one team last year.
It's okay. I mean what was it last year? Something
like one sixty three or one fifty seven and one
fifty five. I don't know what it was, but still

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at all it's fun. If people want to see scoring.
They have no idea how to figure this out, get
it together, figure it out, because you to your league
is sinking it is geez.

Speaker 4 (01:18:22):
I'm actually a yay on it, like I'm with it,
Like just change it up.

Speaker 2 (01:18:25):
It doesn't matter.

Speaker 4 (01:18:26):
Like the game that you saw last year, two hundred
points is not really whatever. It's not great entertainment for
me anyway. But it's very similar to the Pro Bowl.
No one is going to play as hard as you
want them to play in the All Star Game. It's
not a real game. It's an exhibition. No one wants
to get hurt and those things. So they're all going
to do their individual moves and do that. So I'd

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rather see them break it up like they're talking about
doing and the pickup style.

Speaker 2 (01:18:50):
Let them play. Let's see if that shows.

Speaker 4 (01:18:51):
And produces more competitive games and we see better energy
and effort from the players.

Speaker 5 (01:18:56):
All right, guys, well we're not going to move off
the NBA All Star wee can white yet. Well so
this week or this year, actually, there was no Steph
Curry versus Sabrina Ionescu rematch that we had like last
last year at the events. It was one of the highlights. Actually, Indy,
yay or nay, Bucky you get to go first this time.

Speaker 2 (01:19:18):
Just repeat the thing, Just repeat the.

Speaker 5 (01:19:20):
So that Sabrina versus Steph was like the highlight of
last year's All Star Break. But there was no none
of it this and this year yeay or nay on that.

Speaker 4 (01:19:28):
I would I would love to see it because the
w NBA, NBA, like cn that cross competitiveess. I think
basketball is one of sports where gender it can be
gender neutral when it comes to competing skills. So I'm disappointed,
like so yes and no. For me, it's I'm I'm
mad at when I seeing it.

Speaker 3 (01:19:43):
I don't know whether they say yay or a. I
guess yay that I'm disappointed right or ay that it's
not happening. Whatever it is, I would have loved to
see in it because I think it was exciting, something
different than I think they missed out on that. So
I miss it, I really do. All right?

Speaker 2 (01:19:56):
Next? All right?

Speaker 1 (01:19:57):
Next one final?

Speaker 5 (01:19:58):
Well, we got the fourth Nation's face Off promoted by
the NHL has team USA, Canada, Sweden, and Finland competing.
Yeah your nay, Andy, final, saying say nay.

Speaker 3 (01:20:07):
Stop with the in tournament games and me with any
MLS has in NBA has. I don't want it. I
don't want to see it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:14):
Yeah, I'MU say you know too, I give it a no.

Speaker 3 (01:20:17):
All right. Bucky has the best and more on Fox
Sports Sunday next, Oh, the best of the newcomers. We'll
get to that in just about a minute. Good morning, everybody.
This is Fox Sports Sunday and Fox Sports already. He's
Bucky Brooks. I'm Andy Furman, and we are broadcasting live
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His name is Bucky Brooks. Hello, Buck, how are you?

Speaker 2 (01:20:57):
I'm good? What's going on? Andy?

Speaker 3 (01:20:59):
Everything is good? Everything is wonderful. I mean there's no
more football, but that's okay. You know what we could
put our minds, hearts and souls and other things. I
watched a little hockey last night, and basketball is here
right now to stay. NBA All Star Game today, March Madness,
and a couple of Sundays. We have the selection Sunday.
So everything is good. But right now we're gonna get

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our new executive producer, Patrick Sweeker. Patty, you got something
for us, picked us. We were doing y olie list.
You got another ya o, nay?

Speaker 1 (01:21:28):
I do, I do? I got one final one for you.

Speaker 5 (01:21:31):
It's a it's a good one here, guys. So now
let me go with this. So this guy, it's Matt
Patricia here. He hasn't coached at the collegiate level since
three and that's two thousand and three by the way,
when he was a graduate assistant at Syracuse. But Ohio
State now has hired Matt Patricia as its new defensive coordinator.

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Final yay or nay? Mister Andy Furman, start us off.
What do you feel in that?

Speaker 3 (01:22:01):
You know, I would say this, he knows the game
of football, I'm sure, but I think perception is reality.
I say nay, because I think he's got a negative perception,
especially when they made him an offensive core it which
he knew nothing about, you know, in New England, because
he's a defensive guy. He may very well be a
great defensive coach. He may really do a great job
at Ohio State. But I just think the perception is

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bad with this guy. For some reason. He's gotten some
support from some former players, but the last time he
was working in college when he was a graduate assistant
in Syracuse, I don't know. I say a nay on that.

Speaker 2 (01:22:35):
Yeah, I'm actually gonna say yay on it.

Speaker 4 (01:22:39):
And we've seen other college NFL coaches go down to
the collegiate level and has success. Look no further than
the team up north Wink Martindale goes down and has
success with Michigan. I think Matt Patricia certainly has to
learn a different game because college football is vastly different
than the pros.

Speaker 2 (01:22:57):
But he's smart.

Speaker 4 (01:22:59):
He hasn't really sounds He's going to do it in
a very detailed fashion. To me, those things tend to
lead to success. I expect them to be successful in
his run as a college coach.

Speaker 3 (01:23:09):
Well, and there's a good chance he will be successful
because Ohio State usually against the cream of the crop. Really,
and speaking of that, I'm going to ask you, this
is normally the time of the year coaches are running
around the country, maybe looking in living rooms with the
mom and dad looking at them and trying to get
their kid to come there. I'm not so certain that's
happening right now. I think right now the coaches are

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running around to the boosters saying, get your check books ready,
I need you.

Speaker 2 (01:23:35):
I mean, there's always some of that. Now they always
the boosters.

Speaker 4 (01:23:38):
The money is different, and NIL has certainly changed to
pay for play model, has made it where you're not
running around recruiting, you're just kind of showing them the money.
It's not necessarily what we like, but that's what it is.
And that's that's the situation that we have right now.

Speaker 3 (01:23:52):
Okay, you're involved, I mean you're a graduate of North
Carolina and involved with the program with Bill Belichick's the
head coach right now. He's gotta learn what's happening right now.
For example, Bill goes to a kid in Florida, got great,
great high school footall in Florida. Goes down to the kid. Kid,
he says, I want you to come here. Kid says
to Belichick, I want three hundred thousand dollars. I mean,

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that's not out of the realm of possibility, right, and
so Belichick says, I'll get back to you in a
day or so. All right, Belichick close a couple of boosters.
So I got the money, kid says, you know what,
you know, it sounds great, Coach. I really want to
play for you. But you know Texas offered me five
hundred thousand. So what does Belichick do? Say go or
say hold on, let me call back see if I

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get you more. How does that work?

Speaker 4 (01:24:38):
Well, I mean, I'm sure you use in negotiation. It's
no different than free agency. In those things, you have
a bottom line number that you have in your mind.
You start significantly lower than that, and once you get
to the number, you make a decision on whether you
go above it or you just walk away. And many
times you end up walking away and just being okay
with it.

Speaker 3 (01:24:56):
Now you're close to the situation, I mean, what close
than I am. How does it work? Does a kid
get paid after every game at the end of the season.
How does that work? And who pays him? Is it
a check written by the booster or is it written
by the university?

Speaker 4 (01:25:11):
That I don't know, having not been involved in not
having any kids that have been directly tied to it.
I don't know how they go about the payments and
sign the contracts and all those things. Like to me,
it's still kind of weird and foreign when you think
about the amount of money that's being in exchange. But
I would assume did they sign a contract and they
have a payment schedule and all those other things.

Speaker 2 (01:25:31):
You have to have a contract because.

Speaker 4 (01:25:32):
How else can you promise to give someone this amount
of money over this period without it being down on paper.

Speaker 3 (01:25:38):
And it happened, I think Miami and Florida. One of
the players did not get his money, so that was
ugly too. I mean, it happened. He was promised the money,
he never got the money. But you never ceased to
amaze me as an NFL player, the writer, the scout,
the coach, the TV personality, radio star, and with NFL
dot Com you picked the top position groups coming into
the NFL this coming season next year. How tough was

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it for you to do something like that? And I
want to know, I'm curious, really, how long does something
like this take?

Speaker 4 (01:26:06):
Was?

Speaker 3 (01:26:06):
Really and truly it looks like a lot of work.

Speaker 2 (01:26:11):
I mean it is. I mean it's a lot of work.

Speaker 4 (01:26:14):
Like you start working on you started looking at rosters
and cap situations in those things and trying to put
it together in terms of what you think this team is,
how they can fill the gaps and do you anticipate
them filling those knees. But I mean it's a bit
of a guessing game with some analysis.

Speaker 3 (01:26:29):
Yeah, I mean, obviously you say it's worked, but I
know for you it's a labor of love, so it's
not really work. You enjoy doing it. But you started
with the quarterback group, and that's okay, But you not
only pit the quarterbacks. You rank them one to five
in each position group as opposed to as what their
strengths or how you think they'll do in the NFL.
What are the one to five rankings mean?

Speaker 4 (01:26:52):
Just how I view them, like as who are the
best prospects and so like, it's a you tally up
all the things to trace the leadership ability, how you
expect them to play at the next level, giving their
tool set, and you kind of put them together one
to five.

Speaker 3 (01:27:07):
Okay, let's get into it right now, because you say
this quarterback group lacks a lot of the pizazz unless
you didn't have something like eight or nine quarterbacks drafted
in the first round.

Speaker 4 (01:27:17):
I mean this year they ys six taken within the
first twelve picks, with bow Nicks being the last one
taken in the first round. This year, you don't have
that same pizzazz, but I don't. It doesn't mean that
it can't have the same effect on us. We saw
Jayden Daniels not be the first one taken but have
maybe the biggest impact. We saw both Knicks help his team.

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A lot of these guys are impactful. It's just a
matter of creating opportunities for him going to the right
spot and then trusting that what you saw on tape
is what they're going to deliver in the pros.

Speaker 3 (01:27:46):
Right And you've always told me this that you know
a guy like a Jackson Dart, the senior from Mississippi,
he can become a great quarterback in the NFL if
he goes to the right team with the right system.
Is a possibility. So let's go. Let's start with number one.
And obviously you said number one should do a stand this.
What's his strength, what's the best team for him to

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go through. It looks like Tennessee will probably draft him,
but is that the right place for him to be successful?

Speaker 4 (01:28:13):
His strengths would be he is a polished pocket quarterback.
From the pocket. He plays the game like he has
been played for the last forty to fifty years in
the pocket. Rhythm, touch, timing, he has all those things.
He doesn't have what I would call it like elite
arm talent, but it's good enough in the system to

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really dominate in a ball control system where they throw
ten to fifteen yards. Used that box and window to operate.
He has a tendency to hold onto the ball waiting
for the long play to develop because he's a big
play hunter. If he curbs that, you're talking about a really,
really good quarterback. And so the ranges of comparisons people
will say is like from Gino Smith to Joe Burrow

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in terms of how.

Speaker 2 (01:28:56):
He plays where he fits.

Speaker 4 (01:28:58):
Look, he can play in Tennessee for Brian Callahan, he
would fit in a system in Cleveland under Kevin Stefanski.
He would work with Brian Daboll. He can fit anywhere
at the top of the board. He's a really good player.
He turned around two programs, Jackson State and Colorado.

Speaker 3 (01:29:12):
Okay, Jackson State though, I mean I get it, and
he did. But let's talk about competition. How important is
it for one to be successful at the next level
playing against maybe subpark competition. And you know what comes
to mind is what happened in Buffalo. Didn't he play?
Didn't he played Wyoming, which is not the greatest competition,

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the greatest conference in the country. I mean, think about
that for a second. I mean, does it make a difference.

Speaker 2 (01:29:42):
I would say not all the way.

Speaker 4 (01:29:45):
I said, like, so the thing is now because there's
so many transfers and all those things, Like players are
gonna play at various levels.

Speaker 2 (01:29:52):
He went from Jackson State where he.

Speaker 4 (01:29:53):
Dominated as he should, to Colorado being a dominant player.
So if his success translates, it's not an issue.

Speaker 2 (01:30:01):
Cam Ward played at three schools.

Speaker 4 (01:30:03):
He played at Incarnate Word, played at Washington State, then
he played at Miami. Incarnate Word is a lesser division
than Jackson State, but it hasn't been talked about, Like
those are part of things, like a scout has to
evaluate the player. Yet if they're playing against lesser competition,
they should dominate. And then when they play against competition
that is equal, if they dominated that, then you don't

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worry about the level of competition that they may have
played in previously.

Speaker 3 (01:30:27):
You would know about this more than the average guy
in the street. Was there any question mark or doubts
of drafting Josh Allen when he came out Quesse? In fact,
he did play at Wyoming.

Speaker 4 (01:30:38):
I mean it was a conversation like they talked about
at Waoming. He played by himself and that's why his
completion percentage might have been lower. That's why he ran
around like a gun slink in those things because he
didn't have competent or high quality players around him. That
was the narrative coming out. I would say that, look, man,
the thing that you worried about with Josh Allen Sam

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you worried about Lamar could he become a guy that
could be refined from the pocket. And it took him
a while to become refined from the pocket. And even
now he still is at his best when he's running
in doing all those other things. So a lot of
it is about fit in scheme, and the Buffalo Bills
made it an intentional hire to make sure they put
him in a scheme that fit him well.

Speaker 3 (01:31:22):
I hear what you're saying, and know the good news
is as far as the five quarterbacks that you mentioned,
they're all seniors. And we've talked about this agnauseum, the
fact that guys coming into the NFL with lack of
snaps on the college level have a tough time getting involved,
like what Anthony Richardson perhaps in Indianapolis, have a tough

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time adapting to the National Football League. So you got
a guy like Sanders who's a senior, cam Ward's a senior,
and kim Ward you say has great arm strength. I
think cam Ward could be a dominant quarterback of the
next level.

Speaker 2 (01:31:55):
With your thoughts on that, I mean, you could be
a dominant quarterback.

Speaker 4 (01:32:00):
I mean he has talent and tools and those things,
but he's also a bit of a gun slinger, and
the same things that have made him special at Ancarnate Word,
Ancarnate Word, Washington State and Miami are the same things
that could be as fatal flaws as a pro.

Speaker 2 (01:32:14):
This is an alpha dog personnelity. He's going to push
the envelope.

Speaker 4 (01:32:17):
He has tremendous confidence and belief in his own talents
and sometimes it's gonna lead to turnovers.

Speaker 2 (01:32:22):
And what you hope is to curb.

Speaker 4 (01:32:24):
Some of the bad decisions and I'll teach him how
to manage the game and then insert him game and
as a playmaker when he needs to. But he's super talented.
I mean, he has all the things that you look for.

Speaker 3 (01:32:36):
Okay, I don't know much about Jackson Dark Form Mississippi.
Jalen Milroe. I know he played for Alabama and Kyle
McCord from Syracuse. So maybe you could fill me in
on three, four and five. Those quarterbacks right there, What
do we know about them? What do you think they'll
do in the next level? Which then I'm gonna want
to get to the running backs.

Speaker 4 (01:32:57):
So when you think about the next guy, so Jackson Dart,
cal McCord, Jaalen Milroe like three talented guys. Jackson Dart
system player played at old Mess. You worry about the
system translating to success at the next level, has the
tools and the talent to get it done. Jalen Millroe
is the physical specimen of the group.

Speaker 2 (01:33:16):
He's big, fast, physical, strong arm. He is a dynamic runner.

Speaker 4 (01:33:21):
He punishes very similar to the way Jalen Hurts runs
at the next level, but not nearly as polished or
as fundamental from the pocket.

Speaker 2 (01:33:28):
Has to work on that part of his game, but
he is a really, really good deep ball thrower as well.

Speaker 4 (01:33:34):
Cal McCord is kind of the wild card of the
group because transfer from Ohio State goes to Syracuse but
lights it up at Syracuse. Some people will always remember
the bad and what they saw from cal McCord at
Ohio State. I'll choose to look at the guy to
show tremendous growth at Syracuse who is kind of coming
to his own has shown some big playmox and leadership ability.

(01:33:56):
But he's someone who's intriguing. I think he's a top
one hundred player. I think he doesn't get out the
third round.

Speaker 3 (01:34:01):
All right, here, we just saying you mentioned Ohio State.
You got five running backs listed one through five. Two
of the five are in fact from Ohio State. I
mean that's amazing to me. I mean, how did that
come about? You got the trevi on Anderson, Henderson and Judkins,
Cushawn Jenkinsinshawn.

Speaker 4 (01:34:22):
Jenkins because Ohio State was pained. People say they operated
with a twenty million dollars payroll. I mean, if you
do that, you can get the best of the best,
and they were able to get some of the best
of the best players to come up there and play
for him. Now it's about how good are you individually?
Which one do you separate? Because they split the load
and disc many carrier, you don't really know which one
can separate himself. And you hope in workouts, in those

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things you can figure out which one has the best
chance to stand it out as a pro.

Speaker 3 (01:34:48):
You know, and you bring up something where I know,
you say, got a twenty million dollars payroll, whatever it
may be, and the kid's got to go there. He
sees the money, he goes crazy. But if you're a runner,
if you're an outstanding runner, a five star runner in
high school, when you prefer going through a school that
runs the football, like a school like Iowa. You know,
they run the football and Caleb Johnson's on your list

(01:35:08):
as a number three running back. I mean that's what
I was. If you're a linebacker, there's a good chance
you may want to kind of look at maybe not
go there, but at least look at Penn State. They're
known as linebacker, you correct. I mean, so if you
are running back, you would probably want to go through
a school that runs the football and that really airs
it out.

Speaker 4 (01:35:26):
Maybe and maybe you want to go air it out
because you want to learn the passing game because the
play running back and the pros, you got to be
really good at both areas, running in, passing, running routes,
and the more you can do the better. It sets
you up for success as a workhorse running back. So
maybe you want to challenge yourself in that regard. Also,
some of these guys are already thinking about the number

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of carries that they have, because sometimes that can work
against you when it comes time to the pros. We
talk about how many miles are on the edometer? How
many carries did he have over the course of a
three or four year career in college?

Speaker 2 (01:36:00):
Dinificant?

Speaker 4 (01:36:00):
You wonder when does the other shoe drop? How long
can he play at a high level before father time
kicks in and slows all of it down.

Speaker 3 (01:36:08):
Well, and that brings me to this question of because
you're talking about Ashton jent D that you're running back,
the junior running back up Boise State. I mean, he
did a lot of running. You know. Again, I'll say,
maybe the competition was not that tough against the Boise State,
But I will tell you this much, I watched him
play on TV several times. To me, he looks like
a Derek Henry clone. Really, you can't bring the guy down.

(01:36:30):
He may be one of the tough for guys to tackle.

Speaker 2 (01:36:34):
He's a tough guy.

Speaker 4 (01:36:35):
He's not quite as big as Derrick Henry's probably more
like Josh Jacobs size and a very similar playing style,
but rough rugged has great speed and explosiveness to the
second level. Caster ball out of the backfield in the
screen game is a problem if he gets one on
one opportunities in space. He is someone that is just
kind of the reliable, dependable playmaker that you can count on.

(01:36:58):
He's been compared to I told you Josh Jacob. Some
people have said, like M Smith, I would say what
he is is whatever he needs to be on that
given day. He is a true workhorse, I meaning he
can be the monster that's testing it every time where
he can be out in space making things happen.

Speaker 3 (01:37:14):
There was a time when running backs are drafted in
the first round. Didn't happen last year Sa Kwon Barkley
was the first round that know doub about that. Well,
we see running backs now maybe taken perhaps maybe Well,
I guess this year we'll be in the first round.
Because the quarterback situation is not as you say, It's
not a Pizazz group, so we may see it running
back drafted. This kid genty may be drafted in the

(01:37:35):
first round because the use of the running back has
come back in the vogue again.

Speaker 4 (01:37:41):
Yeah, I would say regardssive like the use of the
running back. I would say his talent Marrison being a
top ten pick. Will he get picked the top ten?
Probably doubtful, But he's that kind of player. He is
special with the ball in his hands. He has tremendous
balance and body control, great vision, gets to the cutback
lamp every time.

Speaker 2 (01:37:58):
He's terrific.

Speaker 4 (01:38:00):
But I'm gonna say this, Mario Hampton from North Carolina
is also good and he should.

Speaker 3 (01:38:04):
Bring North Carolina guy in.

Speaker 4 (01:38:06):
I knew he like everyone should should pay attention to
him because he has the physicality to recognis the game,
all of that to be a special playmaker. Like he
is right there not saying their net connect, but he
certainly isn't on the screen. He's he's in the conversation
in terms of being one of the top players in
the draft.

Speaker 3 (01:38:24):
What's his size?

Speaker 2 (01:38:27):
You know, I think he's five eleven two fifteen to twenty.

Speaker 3 (01:38:32):
Is he a senior?

Speaker 2 (01:38:34):
It might be a junior junior.

Speaker 3 (01:38:36):
Okay, all right, there you go. So as you got
for enough, let's do a couple of wide receivers here, okay,
because basically people love the stars. They're running back the
receivers in the quarterback right. So we got a kid
from Arizona, Missouri, another Ohio state, and Mississippi. Okay, and
then I think he got a Texas kid, Isaiah Bond
from Texas. Give me, give me the best wide receiver

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in your group? And why who is he?

Speaker 2 (01:39:02):
T Mac? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:39:05):
T mac is what they call him is Tedritoria McMillan
from Arizona. This dude is special. He's long, he was
a big time volleyball player in high school.

Speaker 2 (01:39:14):
He's like six three.

Speaker 4 (01:39:15):
Six ' four, smooth athlete, great leaper jump ball specialists,
can dominate down the boundary and in the red zone.
He is what I would call it a classic number
one receiver in terms of being that. Now, this wide
receiver class is different because they don't have those sure
for I can't miss this like others.

Speaker 2 (01:39:34):
But he is he is nice.

Speaker 4 (01:39:36):
Luther Burden is a catch and run specialist, meaning he
is a guy that is ideally suited to play in
the slot.

Speaker 2 (01:39:44):
You want to get this guy the ball in a
variety of ways.

Speaker 4 (01:39:46):
Crossing routes, option routes you wanted to touch it on, FLA,
sweeps and reverses. His best traits all happen after the
ball is in his hands. He is great, exceptional with
the ball in this in space, he makes it nightmares
to get to the ground. And then Amika Abuka from
Ohio State is just another long line of Buckeyes that

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goes to the pros. Body beautiful, just smooth, rhythmic. Has
all those things been well schooled and well talked.

Speaker 2 (01:40:17):
Brian Hartline and those guys do a great job. You
have to hear it. Ohio State.

Speaker 4 (01:40:21):
He's a guy that's gonna be a day one starter.
I mean he's gonna be plug and play, ready to go.
He's gonna do his job and he's gonna do it
with little fanfare.

Speaker 3 (01:40:29):
You got Trey Harris and Trey Harris from Mississippi.

Speaker 4 (01:40:33):
Yeah, Trey Harris from Old miss Like just a really
good player can make it happen in space, like you'll
see the clips of him making terrific catches, great in
the open field with vision. And then Isaiah Bond is
more so your possession receiver, chain mover consistently productive, just
moves it down the field. Steve Sarkisian does a really

(01:40:54):
good job of creating one on one opportunities for guys,
and he wins his one on ones.

Speaker 3 (01:40:59):
You know, it's funny you talk about ball controlling what
they do after the catch, but I didn't hear you
use the term speed in any one of them. I mean,
really and truly, speed's important, but maybe it's not as
important as I think it is as being a receiver, right.

Speaker 4 (01:41:13):
I mean, it's important, but it's not the most important
part of it. It's more how they play, the tempo
at which they play at, how quickly they get.

Speaker 2 (01:41:22):
In and out of routes.

Speaker 4 (01:41:24):
How do they impact the game with the ball in
their hands. Are they a guy that can take flas
sweeps and do the Deebo Samuel type thing, or they
strictly a wide receivers. You'll notice is the guys that
typically run really fast as the combine rarely have a
great impact as a wide receiver pros because there's so
much skill that's involved at it neutralizeses some of the

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speed factor in the mix.

Speaker 3 (01:41:48):
I'll be watching that. Thank you so much. Thank you
for all the work you do on that. It's really great.

Speaker 2 (01:41:52):
Really.

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twenty twenty four in the surprise of the NFL. The
Kings won fourteen games, the Commander's made the conference championship
game for the first time, and maybe they overachieved. I
don't know, but we got a list here, at least
I do. Maybe you disagree. I don't know, but these
teams may be due for a fall coming next year.
I know it's eerly. I know you got to wait

(01:43:16):
for free agency in the draft, but I got a
couple of teams that got maybe three four five teams
that may be looking for a fall. And look the
Vikings at fourteen and three with the biggest surprise last year.
I think they're primeing for a dropoff. Okay, they need
to figure out the quarterback situation. Sam Donald's a free agent.
JJ McCarthy. He's winning in the wings as the first

(01:43:37):
round pick from a year ago, he was hurt. Look
the Vikings probably going McCarthy. Look could he win fourteen games.
I don't know coming off with Tom Maniscus, So I
think the Vikings will do for a little bit of
a falloff next year.

Speaker 2 (01:43:49):
I mean, like the market correction could come.

Speaker 4 (01:43:51):
It depends on who the quarterback is with JJ or
someone else, Like how quick he can koc.

Speaker 2 (01:43:57):
Get them up to speed. He did a really good
job with Sam Donald.

Speaker 4 (01:44:00):
Sam Donald don't want to say he had twelve games
with a passer ring over one hundred, played the best
football of his career. Can they do that same thing
and repeated with somebody else? Doesn't mean you know the question.
But that's how the Dominos are will fall ill.

Speaker 3 (01:44:15):
They got a great coach, and look, they got some
good talent on that Minnesota team. But here's the problem
that I have over there. That NFL North is strong,
got some strong maybe the best conference in football. So
I think they'll be due for another fall off. I
really do. So we'll see Washington Commanders. I mean, you're
gonna laugh when I said this. They were twelve and five.
You're one of the Jayden Daniels was better than anything

(01:44:36):
than anybody anywhere anticipated with the Commanders. They won twelve
games in his first year. The only team to beat
the Super Bowl champion of Philadelphia Eagles since October began.
Then they won the consecutive playoff games on the road,
they reached the NFC Championship game. Look, they could be
a title contender, and I don't know. They still have
to play Eagles twice. They got to play the Detroit

(01:44:57):
Lions on the schedule. They gotta play five teams that
won double digit games on the road next year. So
even if Daniels plays well again, I think it's pretty
hard to win twelve games and go to the conference
championship game. That's all I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:45:12):
Yeah, no, I mean it looked.

Speaker 4 (01:45:14):
It's definitely tougher because where they crept up on people
this year, they won't get everyone's full attention, and that'll
lead to tighter games, more intense games, and they have
to be ready to deal with all comers.

Speaker 2 (01:45:26):
I have a feeling that dan Quinn.

Speaker 4 (01:45:27):
Having ready, He loves kind of leaning into the military stuff,
and he'll have them ready to go. But from a
talent perspective, they have ninety one million dollars in cap
space to improve their team.

Speaker 2 (01:45:38):
I expect them to improve and improve significantly.

Speaker 3 (01:45:41):
All Right, I hate putting this team on the list
that's going to look like they're gonna have a little
bit of a fall off. The Pittsburgh steals with ten
and seventy. And why I say that, I hate betting
against Mike Tomlin. This guy's never had a losing year,
and everybody says, ah, you know they're not going to
do anything this year. It's funny. Steelers were one of
the worst teams in the league to close out the season.

(01:46:02):
Last year, they did make the playoffs. I just don't
feel good about them. They were the first ten wing
with the first team to win ten games in the
NFL and NFL history to end the season on a
losing streak of five plus games, which includes that wildcard
playoff loss to the Baltimore Ravens. I just I got
a hard time. I just don't know what they could do.

(01:46:25):
They averaged fourteen points a game and they allowed twenty
four points a game over their last five games. They
got some major problems there, and I don't know whether
it's going to be Russell Wilson in the center or
justin fields. They just they don't have a big time
answer a quarterback. And that's the key.

Speaker 4 (01:46:43):
Yeah, when I look at the Steelers, I do wonder
about the quarterback situation. But they can go with Russell,
they can go with justin Fields, or maybe there's X
quarterback behind door number three that they can look to.

Speaker 2 (01:46:56):
I would say that.

Speaker 4 (01:46:57):
The problem that they have is without a quarterback really
get to what they want to be on offense, which
is a run first team that takes shots down the
field in the passing game because of George Pickens and others.

Speaker 2 (01:47:09):
That's it.

Speaker 4 (01:47:10):
They were surprised this year the fact that they got
the ten wins. They were in the mix and in
the conversation up until the last week. That's the testament
to his coach. But at some point, just effort without
execution means nothing. Like the efforts are great that they're
able to get into the postseason, but they're not executing
in the postseason.

Speaker 2 (01:47:29):
At some points people aren't ask.

Speaker 4 (01:47:31):
And say, hey, you got to get over the hump,
because right now it has almost like a Marvin Lewis
feel to it, despite what we say about both those guys,
like it has that feel to it where you go
to the postseason, Lobbich don't get it done.

Speaker 3 (01:47:43):
I will say this, and I threw this out earlier today.
I think that makes Aaron Rodgers a possibility going to
Pittsburgh or an interest for Aaron Rodgers. Looks the rumor
came out with the Trevor Lawrence thing, and that's killed
and you killed and everybody else killed it. But I
still think Aaron Rodgers is a possibility. But again, I
don't think Mike Tomlin wants to put up with the
garbage they off the field, garbage that he has being

(01:48:06):
on a Pat McAfee show and talking about stuff internally,
so I think to control the guy as the problem quarterbacking,
he's got it. I mean, he played well down the
stretch Aaron Rodgers did on a bad team. So there
is I think a possibility. The light is still the
door is still open that I think Aaron Rodgers could
play quarterback for the Pittsburgh Steelers next year.

Speaker 4 (01:48:29):
Yeah you're optimistic on that stuff. Yeah, I'm not as
optimistic when it comes to that, but I get it
that he can go there. I just think he wrecks
the locker room. I think he just would wreck the lork.
I think that would be hard to manage and police internally.
I just don't see that as a great fit for
both parties.

Speaker 3 (01:48:48):
All right, what you're saying, But I think Pittsburgh needs
a quarterback and we both agree on that. Let's move
over now to Denver and the Denver Broncos with ten
and seven last year, I got to give him a
lot of credit a bon Nix developing that rookie quarterback
bon Nix. I think they did well, and I don't
know if they're gonna win ten games again next year.
But they had a tremendous, tremendous pass rush. They had

(01:49:12):
like five players who had five plus sacks last year,
you know, and they finished with something like sixty sixty
three sacks. I don't see that happening again next year.
I mean sometimes you got like on the Bengals, they
had Trey Hendrickson, who led the league in sacks. I
don't see him leaving the league sacks next year. Maybe
I'm crazy. I think it's a very hard thing to do.
Repeating anything is very hard to do. Except sometimes if

(01:49:32):
you have a bad meal, you can repeat that in
the toilet. That's what you can repeat. Other than that,
it's hard to repeat things.

Speaker 2 (01:49:40):
It is hard to repeat things.

Speaker 4 (01:49:41):
And you're right when it comes to it, and what
you do you just bank on they continue to put
into work. I mean, you talk with all those other
guys that have tried to do it and tried to
repeat it.

Speaker 2 (01:49:50):
Whatever is hard.

Speaker 4 (01:49:51):
But what you want is the same kind of production,
not the same production, the same impact. Production might not
be there, but the impact can be the same because
if you're able to impact the game positively, then you
can get away with not having the same production. But yeah,
there's a target on your back when you're a leader
like that, and you have to be able to step
up in rise de occasion. That's why we talked about

(01:50:11):
the levels, different levels of superstardom and National Football League.

Speaker 3 (01:50:15):
And Sean Payne did a great job, and there's no
doubt in my mind. I don't think he got enough
credit on that, but he did a heck of a
job there. But look at the Broncos. I look at
their schedule next year. They played Houston Texans, they played
the Eagles, and they played the Commanders. All those games
are on the road. They also play Kansas City and
the Chargers because they're in the division. That's tough. I
mean it's tough to come out of that winning ten games.
That's all I'm saying, we'll see ye.

Speaker 2 (01:50:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:50:43):
I mean they're gonna fall off there, fall off dramatically.
It's hard to sustain that level of run. They need
to kind of step back in reset. And I think
with their reset comes of reworking, a retooling of who
they are offensively, and not so much on defense, but.

Speaker 2 (01:50:56):
On offense for sure.

Speaker 4 (01:50:59):
Freshen it up, get some playmakers in there and see
if they can get kind of back on track.

Speaker 3 (01:51:04):
And Kansas City I should have put on that list,
put the Indianapolis Colts in there, because I think the
Coats right now have no idea what they're doing. They
benched Anthony Richardson, which is second season. They're looking at
Joe Flock always forty years old. I I just think
they have no direction. I mean they fired their defensive
coordinator and they hired lou Anarumo. I don't know if

(01:51:27):
Gus Bradley did a good job or a bad job.
It was just a bad team. You know, they got
some talent, but they got to do better. They really can.
They had a lot of one score games last year.
They played in thirteen one score games. That tells me
they can't finish. That was that the old Charges before
Harbaugh got there, lost a lot of those games down
the stretch, one score games. I don't know what that means.

(01:51:48):
That means is that a bad culture. I don't know.
You just can't get it done down the stretch. But
you got to get an improving Anthony Richardson. I don't
know if they could do it.

Speaker 2 (01:51:57):
Well.

Speaker 4 (01:51:57):
We can talk about culture, and I know that we're
you're not a fan of, but I would say coach
and Indy came up.

Speaker 2 (01:52:02):
I saw Pat McAfee go toe to.

Speaker 4 (01:52:05):
Toe with some of their players and fans about what
he perceived to be a bad culture. And look, man,
there are people that are saying, how many finds the
young quarterback may have received for missing late, for being
laid and missing certain obligations that he had to fulfill,
meaning rehab or training sessions or those things. And so
if you have that and it gets to the number

(01:52:26):
where it's well over fifty k or anything like that, well,
someone hasn't pulled him to decide to.

Speaker 2 (01:52:31):
Be like, hey man, this is how we operate here.

Speaker 4 (01:52:33):
So whenever we point to losing programs, there's something that's
wrong with the culture and the play of the player
of communication and standards. That's what you're seeing and it
plays out in real time.

Speaker 3 (01:52:46):
All right, Well, we're talking about teams that may have
a fall off next year. We mentioned the Vikings, Commander, Steelers, Broncos,
and Colts. We also kind of hinted the Kansas City
they have a bit of a fall off perhaps. What
about the Philadelphia Eagles? Did they have like that super
bold days after you win the Super Bowl? Is there
a like do you want to come back and do
it again? Or you know, we've been there, done that?

(01:53:07):
Where the Kings of the Hill, I mean, how does
that work? Well? You see a fall off in Philadelphia? Perhaps?

Speaker 4 (01:53:14):
No, I don't think you see them fall up to
too talented, too good, and they have a good sense
of how everyone is going to attack them going forward.
They are going to continue to build and climb and
grow and invest in the trench Warriors.

Speaker 2 (01:53:31):
And those things.

Speaker 4 (01:53:32):
But they'll lose some people and those people that have
been red shirting and developing in the shadows never have
an opportunity to play.

Speaker 2 (01:53:39):
And if they did it right, they won't skip a beat.
So we'll see early how.

Speaker 4 (01:53:43):
Good, how well they've done when it comes to putting,
their guys in position to make place.

Speaker 3 (01:53:48):
Okay, and speaking of the Eagles, Okay, that had the
big Super Bowl parade the other day, Some like two
million people were there. The executive vice president general manager
of the Eagles, Howie Roseman, got hit what have beer can?
And two people got shot? I mean, and this is
the second year in a row people have been shot
at Super Bowl parades. Why. I don't know. I think eventually,

(01:54:11):
because of these screwballs, those things will be banned. I
really think it's gonna happen. I mean, Kansas City last
year a couple of people got shot. This year, a
guy got into an argument. I understand. I read the report,
and he was punching and shoving, and he took out
a gun and shot two women. I mean, why, tell me, why?
Why does this happen? Bucky Brooks? Why? It's ugly? It's ugly?

(01:54:35):
Get it?

Speaker 2 (01:54:36):
Yeah? I mean, I don't know. It's such a weird phenomenon.
I don't know why people look to mess up other
people's joy. It's problematic.

Speaker 4 (01:54:43):
But look, man, the Eagles may have another parade, or
they may have another ceremony because the team that is
set to come back. It's an even better version of
the team that we saw in Super Bowl fifty nine,
Like they're gonna be good as a matter?

Speaker 2 (01:54:58):
Can they say focused?

Speaker 4 (01:54:59):
The disease of me can creep in where everyone feels
like they're more responsible for the success of the team
than the others, and so EGO can play a part
in them not being able to maximize. But otherwise they
should be in the mix.

Speaker 3 (01:55:10):
All right, sounds good to me. He's Bucket Brooks and
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(01:55:31):
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Speaker 2 (01:55:39):
You ruin me.

Speaker 3 (01:55:40):
It's all your fault, it's your fault.

Speaker 1 (01:55:43):
What is all your fault?

Speaker 7 (01:55:48):
Maybe it's everyone's fault. See the liar that's why there's
the blame game.

Speaker 3 (01:55:53):
The blame game. Let's figure out who to blame. Yeah,
he's a liar, all right, Patty Sweet to take care
of the blame game for us.

Speaker 5 (01:56:00):
Well yet, all right, well I'm not a liar, so
I'd start us out here. While exiting the floor, ucon
basketball coach Dan Hurley reminded the Creighton fans of his
two championship rings after a seventy to sixty six win
over the Blue Jays.

Speaker 1 (01:56:14):
A bragging move on the road. Was it called for?
Who do you blame?

Speaker 3 (01:56:18):
Many? You know what I want to say. He's a
great coach. Dan Hurley is the greatest. He really is.
He comes from a great line of coaches. His daddy
was a great coach in high school in New Jersey.
But you gotta control yourself, and maybe the athletic director
or the school president got to control them because it's
not a good look. It is not a good look.
I blame the school for not putting the reins on

(01:56:39):
Dan Hurley.

Speaker 1 (01:56:42):
All right, all right, we'll leave the school.

Speaker 2 (01:56:44):
I will say this.

Speaker 4 (01:56:45):
I would say Dan Hurley is to blame because Dan
Hurley is off the hook. Dan Hurley's ego, his personality,
all of those things shows up each and every week.
Yell net officials, yell net fans. He can't engage man,
You're a two time champ. There's no need to engage
in the fans love banted like everything, but keep it classy, Dan.

Speaker 2 (01:57:02):
I don't know if he has that in him.

Speaker 5 (01:57:05):
All right, sweet Well, the Toronto Raptors guys coach Darko
Radjakovic rips calvs Tristan Thompson for a disrespectful dunk.

Speaker 1 (01:57:14):
In his in his words and eyes. Who do you
blame here? Bucky? He gets to go first with this.

Speaker 4 (01:57:21):
Oh, I mean, you can't have your team pressing down
thirty and not expect people to take advantage of the
fast break opportunities. If you want everyone to just kind
of like run the clock out and sit back and
just play it out. But if your team is playing hard,
I can't blame Tristan Thompson for boom and one.

Speaker 2 (01:57:37):
Yeah, like Looke, his job is not to worry about
your team. You need to coach your team. You can't
coach the other team.

Speaker 3 (01:57:44):
Hey, coach, stay in your lane. You know why, because
as long as it's gonna be highlights on TV. There's
gonna be great dunks and that's what the fans like,
So suck it up.

Speaker 1 (01:57:54):
All right? Well, well I got one more for you guys.

Speaker 5 (01:57:56):
Former Ohio State star tailback Maurice Clarett hell super freshman
receiver Jeremiah Smith quote, don't be in a rush for
the NFL. Why not if he's ready and many think
he is ready to go, who's the blame here?

Speaker 7 (01:58:12):
Andy?

Speaker 3 (01:58:13):
First of all, Maurice Klerett, you know you're giving him advice.
Everybody at Ohio State probably hates you for this advice,
But honestly, he should go. He should go because you know,
we see these players sitting out of Bowl games right
now for fear of injury. You know, it's all about
big money, and there's real big money out there. So
I'm telling you, if in fact, Jeremiah can make the
big money either by transferring an NIL or go to

(01:58:34):
the NFL, go baby, go. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:58:39):
No, I'm not with that, man.

Speaker 4 (01:58:41):
I think there's something to stand with the brand, like
depending on like if all things that he equal, like,
why would he leave?

Speaker 2 (01:58:47):
Ohio State is.

Speaker 4 (01:58:47):
A great university, is a great program. He's the number
one receiver in that program. They can continue to feed him.
I don't understand why you bounce around and do all
the other stuff regardless.

Speaker 3 (01:58:55):
Of because money talks.

Speaker 4 (01:58:57):
Man, Yeah, I mean I hear money talk, fucking, but
like there's only so many stuff that you can spend up,
you know, like at some point you want to settle
in and be settled.

Speaker 2 (01:59:06):
You can't just keep chasing being a mercenary.

Speaker 5 (01:59:09):
All right, Well, final one for the blame game. Tonight, guys,
six former East Mississippi Community College football players who appeared
in the docuseries Last Chance You have sued the school, Netflix,
the National Junior College Athletic Association, and the programs director
over there at portrayals.

Speaker 1 (01:59:29):
They are apparently.

Speaker 5 (01:59:29):
Seeking thirty mili in damages after receiving no compensation for
their contribution to the project.

Speaker 1 (01:59:37):
Bucky, who do you blame?

Speaker 2 (01:59:41):
I mean this a little later. I mean that Last
Chance you. I mean that was eons ago.

Speaker 4 (01:59:47):
Like that said, Look, it's unfair that they didn't get
any conversation. I don't think thirty million is gonna beat
what it is. Look, I blame the producers and those
people for not taking care of the people that they
certainly made money off of. But those are the things
that happen in documentaries. You never know how it's gonna pop.
So look, I blame the producers.

Speaker 3 (02:00:05):
I blame those six idiots. You're gonna be on TV,
you're gonna do a documentary, you're gonna take my time.
I'll tell you what. Give me a contract and that's
what I want. Sign the contract, baby, that's it, all right,
all right, stay with us,

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