Andy Furman & Bucky Brooks Give Their Honest Opinions On The 4 Nations Championship, Quarterback Demands, The New ABS Design In MLB Spring Training, And More!!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:01):
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It really was. That's coming right up. Good morning, Good
morning everybody. This is Fox Sports Sunday. He is Bucky Brooks.

Speaker 3 (00:13):
I'm Andy Fermaner. You know what.

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(00:34):
He is the man. I'm blessed to have him with
me every single Sunday. They're one and only Bucky Brooks.
All buck, how are you?

Speaker 4 (00:41):
I'm good, Andy, what's going on?

Speaker 3 (00:42):
You sound good? You look even better?

Speaker 2 (00:44):
And you know what, I want to talk about something
that we never ever talk about on this show, and
it's hockey. On a night when hockey had the most
eyes ever ever on the sport, the best player in
the game, Connor McDavid, was the hero. His overtime goal,
as you know, lifted, added it to a four nations
failoff a Faceoff Championship over the US Hollywood finish three

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two three two in ot. It was tremendous, It really was.
I know you watched it. I know, because you're a
man for all sports. I know you watched it. It
was great and I couldn't believe the hype it was.
It was refreshing to see athletes going out there giving it.

Speaker 3 (01:21):
They're all.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
No one's saying, I'm not playing. My fingernail hurts. These
guys went out there and no look at me. There
was no look at me in that game, you know
what I'm saying, Like in the NBA, after they score
a basket, they dunk, they look at me, they give
you the fist.

Speaker 3 (01:37):
It's it was great. It was fresh. It was refreshing.

Speaker 4 (01:42):
Yeah. No, it was a great environment. It was a
great atmosphere.

Speaker 5 (01:45):
It was compelling because of the Jewis in, right, the Jewis
in Not only because like I feel like we all
are tribal people. We like to get behind and rally
like our people, but when it became the US versus Canada,
when the president urges the hockey team to go on,

(02:06):
the US team wins the first game, and the de
manner in which they wanted. It really set up for
us to watch something that was going to be a
great spectacle, and then you see it in Boston, the
Rabbit fan base, everyone there.

Speaker 4 (02:23):
It was great visual theater. Look, it was just compelling
and I enjoyed. I watched every minute of it.

Speaker 5 (02:31):
I'm a hockey fan, particularly when it comes to playoff hockey,
and so I was.

Speaker 4 (02:36):
I was all. I was smitten, I was all over it.

Speaker 3 (02:39):
I think it was great.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
I watched the entire thing as well, although I had
a different situation because of my home.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
My wife is Canadian, so she.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
Went nuts and we were the only one in our
neighborhood that as a Canadian flag. So after the thing
was over, she goes outside and plants the flag. So
I don't know if that's could be a different but happy,
I'm happy day won. I'm happy Canada one because now
I got piece this piece in my home, which is great,
big time Canadian hockey fan. But I wonder what made

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it so dramatic, and I was at the international rivalry.

Speaker 3 (03:08):
I'm not so certain.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
I think it was politics because there was booing of
the national anthem, and certainly in Montreal was booing, and
I don't think people really and truly understood the booing.
I don't think they were booing because of the team.
I think it was politics. I really believe that, you
know why, Canada is our great neighbor and it has
been a great neighbor to the north for years, for centuries.
Really was the game or was it said by our

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president that when he said President Trump making political here
a little bit, he wanted to make Canada our fifty
first state. I'm watching the game, and I'm sure you
saw this as well. I saw fans in the stands
wearing jerseys Canadian jerseys, Canada on the front, number fifty
one on the back and the word never on top.

Speaker 3 (03:47):
I saw that.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
So I think a lot had to do with the politics,
more so than maybe the international rivalry between Canada and
the USFA. Maybe I'm wrong. I think that's the direction
I went to. It was a political battle more so
maybe than a sporting battle.

Speaker 4 (04:05):
The president. Look, they already are fierce rivals, right when
you think.

Speaker 5 (04:10):
About Canada and their dominance and really the dominance over
the rivalry.

Speaker 4 (04:14):
There was already that intensity there.

Speaker 5 (04:16):
But President Trump kind of put some kerosene on the fire.
Uh when he talked about those things or whatever, and
it did transcend the game. It became a very political
affair and you could feel the tension just watching through
the screen, like it was very personal to the Canadian
team because of the political backdrop that was obvious, it

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was apparent, and it played out. But it also made
it a very intriguing and compelling game because the intensity
was that.

Speaker 4 (04:46):
Of, you know, like a playoff game. It was.

Speaker 5 (04:48):
It was intense from beginning to end, and that tension
is what we all loved.

Speaker 4 (04:53):
That's why we love playoffs.

Speaker 5 (04:54):
We love seeing how people perform under that that that
that tension, the pressure, the dress of having something with
significance hanging in the ballance.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
It's funny because right after Conor McDavid scored the winning
goal in the back of the US net, Justin Trudeau,
the Prime Minister of Canada, posted on X I mean
it is amazing right after the game was over.

Speaker 3 (05:17):
The message was short, but it was a.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
Clear response and he said, you can't take our country,
you can't take our game. That was directly towards our president.
I mean really interesting and maybe it's a good thing.
Maybe it created more interest because of the the grease
that the President put on that game. He really greased
it up pretty good. And it was a great rivalry.
And look, you can't take it away positive. I mean,

(05:43):
let's let's turn it to with positive right now. Maybe
we should continue this rivalry and the National Football League.
I think the Pro Bowl right now is death. It's
on his deathbed. I mean, it's not a Pro Bowl
for the NFL.

Speaker 3 (05:53):
You know what it is.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
It's a It's a I guess, a certain gimmick. I mean,
it's players to balls through a hoop. I mean, that's
just what it is. It's like kids going to summer
camp and playing games. It's not a game. I get it.
These guys don't want to get hurt. They don't make
too much money. It's a different era right now. So
the Pro Bowl right now is not what it used
to be. It never will be.

Speaker 3 (06:14):
Scrap it.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
Maybe the NFL should have a game between the Canadian
All Stars. Maybe the Canadian Fooball League should get an
All Star team and play the National Football League. Maybe
that would create a little more interest. But then what
we have in the Pro Bowl right now, what's your
take on that?

Speaker 5 (06:28):
So my take on the Pro Bowl is everyone who
winds and complains about the Pro Bowl. Must understand that
the Pro Bowl still draws a significant number.

Speaker 4 (06:36):
When it comes to TV ratings.

Speaker 5 (06:38):
Despite all the moaning about the lack of competitiveness between
the gameplay the silly games that have been added and
replace the game, a.

Speaker 4 (06:48):
Bunch of people continue to tune in.

Speaker 5 (06:51):
The Only way that you're going to change the Pro
Bowl is if everyone turns off the TV and doesn't
watch it. That's the only way that the NFL will
then send out a serious message. Right now, it's been
too good for too long, and it is going to
be hard to put the genie back in the battle.
When a genie back in the bottle. When it comes
to getting people to play hard, it's a different eraror.

Speaker 4 (07:13):
Seventies and eighties nineties.

Speaker 5 (07:15):
When the Pro Bowl money was significant and not that
far from what player salagies were, that was a huge bonus.

Speaker 4 (07:23):
Now the amount of money that they make, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (07:26):
The risk isn't worth the reward when it goes to
playing hard in an exhibition football game. Football is not
one that you can play in an exhibition fashion because
of the physicality, the violence and all those things. The risks,
the injury risk, that comes with it.

Speaker 4 (07:44):
It's hard to replicate that.

Speaker 5 (07:45):
So even though everyone wants savagery during the Pro Bowl,
it's not gonna happen anymore. There's too much money on
the line to really play like that.

Speaker 3 (07:55):
I hear what you're saying.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
But when I'm taking up from what your statement, you're
telling me that the ratings on TV are good, leave
it alone. That doesn't mean that basically what you're watching
is a great product.

Speaker 3 (08:07):
All right.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
They're talking right now in college to expand the college
football playoffs, maybe the sixteen teams. I don't think that
does and we'll get into that later on. I'm sure
I don't think that does anything for the basic competition
of the college football playoffs. Yeah, people are gonna watch it.
Why there's gambling involved. Maybe they're just football junkies. Maybe
there's nothing else on TV. I don't know. The fact

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that the ratings are good doesn't mean that the product
is good, right, I mean, I.

Speaker 3 (08:33):
Think there still should be some sort of a.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
Tweaking of that College football or basically the Pro Bowl
in the National Football League. I don't think ratings should
go hand in hand with basically the product that you see.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
Maybe I'm wrong, but you tell me.

Speaker 5 (08:47):
So, I'm just trying to figure out what everyone wants
from these games, Like what exactly do you want to
see from the Pole Bowl?

Speaker 3 (08:53):
Like what, it's not a game right now? It really
isn't a game.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
It's like a it's just I don't even know what
i'd call it. Really, it's just different events. It's like
when you've got a summer can the color war. Different events.
That's what it is.

Speaker 4 (09:13):
That's what it is.

Speaker 5 (09:14):
But then when we last saw it as a game,
we really hated it because then we felt like no
one was tackling people weren't playing hard and those things.
You can't legislate that into the game. You can't legislate
people to play hard and do those things. I think
with all of these things, whether it's a college football playoff,

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the NBA All Star Game, the Pro Bowl, I think
what people want is something that they can never get.

Speaker 4 (09:40):
They want every game to hang in the balance.

Speaker 5 (09:43):
They want every game to have a level of incitement
and intensity that from beginning to end.

Speaker 4 (09:50):
It matches what we see in.

Speaker 5 (09:51):
Super Bowls and those things, and those games will never
have that, particularly the All Star games, because they're exhibitions
there's nothing really on the line. Like we can talk
about playing for pride and all this stuff, but it's
still not the same as playing a seven game series
with a championship on the line.

Speaker 4 (10:10):
It's not the same as playing a Super Bowl with.

Speaker 5 (10:12):
The championship on the line. I don't think we can
replicate it. And I'm saying what we're going to do
is we're going to talk our way out of not
having anything, because all we do when it comes to
these events and the things that we watch is complain
about them. That's all we do with all of these things.
And I think at some point we're going to kill
the gold and Goose and we won't see any of it.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
You answered the question, you told everybody and told me
basically what we want to see. Now, it's like, why
can't we make it that way? What we learned from
the National Hockey League, what we learned from the four
team national tournament that was the other day, the international rivalry.
We learn that you have to have a villain, you
have to have a rivalry, and there's no rivalry right

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now in the Pro Bowl, but it can happen. That's
why I suggest, if in fact, Canada is a rivalry
with the USFA have the Canadian Football League, and these
guys are vying to get into National Football League. These
are guys that maybe are the cusp of making it
to the NFL. They want to get it to the NFL.
They could show people at one stage against NFL All

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Stars that they could make it, and I think there
would be a rivalry factor there.

Speaker 4 (11:20):
No, I think this was really like a special circumstance.

Speaker 5 (11:23):
I would have to see how the Four Nations Cup
tournament did again.

Speaker 4 (11:29):
I felt like this was the perfect storm.

Speaker 5 (11:31):
I feel like there was a groundswell of political activism
that has taken place since the inauguration in January that
has led to this intensity and building for the moment.
The Four Nations Cup was a perfect backdrop for that,
and it hit. I don't know if they can replicate this.
I don't know if other sports can replicate and manufacture

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like intensity and rivalries and those things to draw this.
I think we should appreciate it for what it is
and what it was, but I don't think in these
other sports. I don't think the other sports can follow
suit and create that.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
I will say this that I think that the National
Hockey League got real lucky. But let's what if Finland
played Sweden in the finals. I don't think there be
any any interest like there was in that game against
USA and Canada.

Speaker 3 (12:18):
They were lucky. USA played Canada. So take away from that.

Speaker 2 (12:22):
Learn from that knowing that, hey, there was a rivalry,
you know, Finland Sweden, and no one cared.

Speaker 3 (12:29):
They really didn't.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
And if they were in the finals, oh my goodness,
no one will be talking about it, no one will
be watching. I really don't think they would. Now may
this may be a jumpstart for the NHL. Would it
help NHL viewership?

Speaker 1 (12:39):
Perhaps?

Speaker 3 (12:40):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
But when you could take away from this game that
was on Thursday night was the fact that people love villains,
people love rivalries, people love international rivalries. Look at the Olympics.
We go crazy over the Olympics. You know, we don't
follow gymnastics during the year, but with gymnastics during the Olympics,
we go bananas over that stuff. So let's take away
from the National Basketball Association. I understand their All Star

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Game TV ratings were down thirteen percent. Why terrible game?
There was a lack of emotion. What do you do?
They have load management? Guys, don't want to play in
the National Basketball Association. There's too many three point There's
so many things that are happening in that league right
now that people are being turned off. What do you
do for the All Star Game? Maybe you have the

(13:23):
NBA against the USA team against the World. Maybe you
could do that. That's a rivalry. I think you have
to build rivalries. That's what you have to do.

Speaker 5 (13:33):
Yeah, I mean, look, I'm fairly confident that even if
they did a US versus World format wouldn't change where
the people look at it. I just think that we're
at a point the All Star Game that we love
the things that we used to love from a nostalgic
standpoint in the seventies and eighties. It's a different error.

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It's just a different time. We're not into those things anymore.
It's just like watching the Donald's game in basketball and
those things things that used to be things that we
were sitting on the edge of our seat and we
were excited about.

Speaker 4 (14:08):
We're just in it.

Speaker 5 (14:09):
We're just in at a different place and people can talk
about it, they can remove it, they can tweak it
and change it. I'm not as confident that those things
are going to change in terms.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
Of so we'll hearing from you, mister Bucket Brooks, the
way things were. So he's saying, like the older generation,
I mean, people like the age of forty five and
up are the ones that are crying and complaining and
whining saying it used to yeah, it used to be
that way. The younger generation, the younger maybe kids from
fifteen on up, they love it because they have nothing

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to compare it to. So it's okay, you know, let's
gear it to them. Because they like it. They like
what they see, they like the flag, football, they like
all that because they don't remember or they don't know
what happened thirty forty years ago.

Speaker 4 (14:50):
That's it right, that that is what it is.

Speaker 5 (14:53):
Because all of the people that complain about it are
from our generation up, because it's the nostalgia of the
seventies and eighties and nineties that are driving in. But
also remember this, in the seventies, eighties and nineties, we
didn't see sports as.

Speaker 4 (15:08):
Much as we see now.

Speaker 5 (15:10):
The only games that we would see were the national
games and those things, so we didn't have a steady
diet of Pro football and NBA basketball games to watch. Remember,
NBA was on delayed telecasts. During the seventies and eighties,
you couldn't.

Speaker 4 (15:28):
Even see the finals live, and so when you did
have an.

Speaker 5 (15:30):
Opportunity to see the stars that you would read about
maybe occasionally see, it made you tune in.

Speaker 4 (15:38):
Well, now all these games are broadcast.

Speaker 5 (15:40):
On TV on every streaming service NBA League past, you
can see every game of your favorite team, so we
have more exposure to our guys. The All Star games
in those days were an opportunity for us to see
the guys that we would read about. Because remember newspaper
were big, you didn't have the Internet.

Speaker 4 (16:02):
Everything was almost.

Speaker 5 (16:04):
In your imagination on who this player is because you
rarely saw him. Now we see him all the time,
so it's not the same excitement that we once had.
I think all that has to factor into the equation too.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
You know, it's funny because I go back in time
and when when Chris Shenkle used to do the NBA
Game of the Week on ABC two o'clock Eastern time
on Sundays. That was the only time you go watch
the NBA on TV except the playoffs. And you're right,
the players were on tape tape delay. And think back
on CBS like at eleven o'clock at night.

Speaker 3 (16:32):
But here's the thing. You talked about.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
TV ratings, and the TV ratings are going to be big,
and they were big in.

Speaker 3 (16:37):
The Pro Bowl. That's what I'm not going to change it.
Here's the deal.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
The TV ratings are bad in the NBA All Star
Game ratings, regular season ratings. Maybe because there's too much,
maybe less is more, But the TV ratings are bad.
But I will say this, even though they're bad, real bad,
the NBA will always be more popular than the NHL.
I don't care what kind of ratings that came out
on Thursday night, and they probably were you I haven't

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seen them, maybe they weren't released yet. But I'll tell you,
the NBA will always be more popular. Why there's more
exposure in the NBA. More kids play basketball. It's a
USFA game. We look at Canada and the the NHL
is a foreign sport.

Speaker 3 (17:15):
We really is.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
Most of the players in that league play speak French.
The Canadians, I mean kids are playing and growing up
playing basketball in the school yard. Just the basketball and
the NBA will always be more popular than hockey.

Speaker 3 (17:27):
I don't care what ratings are.

Speaker 5 (17:30):
Well, yeah, I mean basketball, there's more popular sport than
the NHL, the games and.

Speaker 4 (17:37):
All that other stuff.

Speaker 5 (17:38):
When it comes to the NBA, I would say the
NBA has a couple issues in terms of gameplay because
everyone plays the same style. Everyone is just hucking up
threes from a million miles away, and it's just not
exciting to watch. College basketball is much more exciting because
you have compelling styles, You have more people taking different

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approaches to try to win games, as opposed to what
we see in the NBA. The other thing with hockey
is hockey is a Canadian sport, but American American cities
have taken all of the franchises that used to be
well established in Canada, and so in a way, you
have foreigners watching a sport that they're not fully passionate

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or committed to being behind. And it's hard to keep
those people coming back year after year after year to
watch it, to talk about it, and those things you're
catching uptick in the playoffs, But on the daily hockey
doesn't resonate I mean should I think this is the
first time that we've talked about hockey in the three

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or four years that we've.

Speaker 4 (18:44):
Been together on the show.

Speaker 5 (18:45):
I mean, we just it's not something that really resonates
with the American public outside of what we saw as
a political event more so than a sporting event the
other night, and we.

Speaker 2 (18:58):
Agree it was a political event. I mean, the politics
was all over, it's written all over this event, and
it was great. That's what made it the event.

Speaker 3 (19:04):
It really did.

Speaker 2 (19:05):
But you know what, I want to open the phone
lines today, not for the entire show, but just for
a while. I want to know why we don't talk hockey.
I want to know why we don't talk soccer here.
I just really, I mean, if you want to look
at the blueprint of not our show, but sports talk
radio in general, I think it's football. Football moves the needle.
There's no doubt about that. College and NFL and maybe

(19:28):
college basketball. Other than that, not even baseball that much. Look,
we got the NFL Combine this week. There's more interest
in the NFL Combine this week coming up than basically
spring training was just got on the way.

Speaker 3 (19:41):
Maybe I'm crazy, maybe I'm wrong.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
I want to know why there are certain sports that
really truly go to the forefront on talk radio and
other sports in the closet. Soccer and hockey forget it.
We never talk not just us, every sports talk show.

Speaker 5 (19:56):
Well, I would say this, unfortunately it's like a bad word.
But the sports that you're mentioning mentioning in our country
not very diverse.

Speaker 4 (20:05):
And so what you've done is you.

Speaker 5 (20:06):
Shut off fan bases that would get behind it because
they don't see people that look like them participating.

Speaker 4 (20:13):
In the sported with great numbers.

Speaker 5 (20:15):
When you think about hockey, when you think about soccer
and those things, you don't see the entire kaleidoscope of
folks on our national teams participating, and so sometimes that
prevents every possible fan from tuning in because they don't
have an interest. They don't see anybody that looks like them,

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which makes it hard.

Speaker 3 (20:37):
So it's not the sport. They don't feel comfortable watching
something that they don't.

Speaker 4 (20:42):
No, it's not, it's not. It's not. It's not about
like comfortability. But you're more likely to watch things that
you play in.

Speaker 5 (20:50):
And so when we look at hockey and soccer, we
don't see a lot of black and brown participants, and
so you you have huge swaths of people who've never played,
who don't have an interest in those games because they've
never picked up the stick. They've never kicked the ball
around on the yard. Is different when you look.

Speaker 3 (21:11):
Throwing tennis and golf too. Throw tennis and golf at.

Speaker 4 (21:14):
That yeah, and so you don't have those things.

Speaker 5 (21:17):
And so what you've done is you've narrowed the focus,
uh in terms of who you can reach out to.
You to increase your fandom and audience in those things,
because when they look out, they don't see a reflection
of what's in their communities, and that also impacts it.

Speaker 3 (21:34):
That sounds great, it really does well. Over the phone lines.
I'll tell you what.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
We'll take some phone calls at eight seven seven ninety nine.
Oh Fox, maybe they have the answer. Maybe be the
great public out there eight seven seven nine nine, six
sixty three sixty nine. Get us on ex at Bucket
Brooks at Andy Ferman FSR. And of course in this
our ask Bucky, he'll have some answers for you. Our
number two yay or nay with our guy Patty, and
of course the blame game, he'll do that as well
in our number three.

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Speaker 3 (22:20):
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Oh?

Speaker 8 (23:28):
Just about like why the sports aren't as a as
big as a you know, football. I think it's just
the way the stars are advertised.

Speaker 7 (23:38):
You know, I.

Speaker 8 (23:40):
Always see basketball and football guys college and uh the pros,
but you never really see any thing like Tani.

Speaker 4 (23:47):
You know.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
You know what Bucky makes a great point. I mean
the fact that there's no visibility with the athletes, even
in Major League Baseball. I mean basketball, you can't get
away from Stefan Kellery, you can't get away from Lebron.

Speaker 3 (23:59):
I mean it's all you see.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
I mean, really baseball is lacking in that hockey I
remember the last time I've ever seen a hockey player
doing a commercial on TV in Canada. I'm sure I
have it, but not here make a great point there,
you really do. All right, thank you so much. I
guess he's he's gone.

Speaker 3 (24:17):
All right.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
Okay, let's move it to the National Football League because
the Jets, speaking of moving, they just have moved on
from quarterback Aaron Rodgers. We know that, but the question is,
has Aaron Rodgers moved on from the NFL. Let's look
at the possibility. Look at the quarterbacks out there, because
you know free agent quarterbacks in the NFL. You got
Sam Donald, you got Justin Fields. Impossible trade now to
talk about Matthew Stafford, maybe even Derek Carr. But TMZ

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the other day caught up with Aaron Rodgers. If there
are training session in California. He asked about his next destination.
This is what this clown said. If they want you,
what does that mean? He says, and he also aided
if they have a good team. Maybe, Look, he wants
to go to a team.

Speaker 3 (24:55):
If they got a good team, can't he make them
a good team? I don't know.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
But if the team good, why are they looking for
a quarterback? If a team is good, why would they
want Aaron Rodgers? Tell me what's the story with Aaron
Rodgers right now.

Speaker 5 (25:08):
I mean, look, he's a four time MVP, but the
results haven't been good the last couple of years. He's
over forty, he's dealt with a lower leg injury, with
an achilles, He's been hu hum at best on the field.

Speaker 4 (25:23):
I don't know what the.

Speaker 5 (25:24):
Market is like for an older player in the twilight
who's just playing okay. And then when you think about
some of the other baggage that comes with him, you know,
like he doesn't appear to be the greatest chemistry builder,
culture creator when he steps into the locker room.

Speaker 4 (25:43):
He also appears to be a little.

Speaker 5 (25:47):
Confrontational when it comes to coaches and coachability and all
those things. I just don't know who wants to sign
up for that. It has to be a head coach
who is a strong head coach, who is very entrenched
in the program, who has the willingness to not only
take him off, but to coach him hord like he

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needs to be coached. There are a few situations that
are optimal that have those that criteria already fell out,
So I'm curious to see where he lands.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
I got to ask you, this, is there a correlation
on this really is a stretch. The older a player
gets in the National Football League, the harder it is
to coach him. A. He's set in his ways. B
he thinks he knows it all I mean. And I
go back to a situation back in Cincinnati. I remember
when Boomer as Siason was quarterback and they brought in
Danta Bible as a quarterback coach. Danta Bible had really

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no track record as a national football and the quarterback
and Boomer had kind of butted heads with him because
I don't think Boomer wanted to take any any coaching tactics.

Speaker 3 (26:52):
From this guy.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
And Boomer was in the league for several years and
he knew what he was doing. Have you seen that
over the years that the older are play against. The
longer he's in the league, the harder it is to
coach that guy.

Speaker 3 (27:02):
He's setting his ways.

Speaker 5 (27:06):
The older they are in, the more status they have,
it becomes harder to coach them because in their eyes,
when Aaron Rodgers views his tape, he doesn't see a
declining player. He sees the four time MVP who he
believes is still the.

Speaker 4 (27:22):
Best player in the league.

Speaker 5 (27:24):
And it's hard sometimes to get older players star players
to acknowledge their strengths and weaknesses, but to really point
out their flaws and explain to them why you have
to do certain things to compensate for their weaknesses and
how they need to play for the team to win
because they're no longer capable of doing it the way
that they used to do it in yesteryear. Those conversations

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can be difficult, but also you have to have complete
buy in from the player to participate in a conversation
like that. Will they trust you when you say those
words about them not being good enough in certain areas
those things? Trust is everything, And with an older player
sometimes they can be slow to trust because they've had
a lot of success in either previous systems or doing

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it their way.

Speaker 2 (28:09):
You got to believe that Aaron Rodgers right now, in
his mind, right in the cave that he's probably living
in right now, he does not want to go out
the way he went out this year. He knows Tom
Brady went out with a Super Bowl in Tampa. Okay,
he can't have that for his legacy. He can't do it.
So let's look at the free agent situation. Just what
if Sam Donald Minnesota? If hessigns with another team. Would

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the Vikings be a viable place for Aaron Rodgers. Look
at the Pittsburgh Steelers. They went a veteran. They had
a veteran right now, Russell Wilson. If Wilson goes free agent,
can you see Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 3 (28:42):
I can't.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
I cannot see him in Pittsburgh with the coaching staff there,
there's no way. There's no way he goes to Pittsburgh.
I don't think, but I think it's a possibility. Maybe
in Minnesota.

Speaker 4 (28:53):
I don't think he fits in Minnesota.

Speaker 5 (28:55):
I mean unless he's trying to do to complete Brett
fav tour where he goes from Green New York and
New York to Minnesota like Brett Farbes did.

Speaker 4 (29:03):
Yeah, I don't see that.

Speaker 5 (29:04):
I think with Kevin O'Connell, you're more intrigued by giving
it to JJ McCarthy if you don't hand it back
to Sam Donald.

Speaker 4 (29:12):
I can't see Aaron Rodgers benefit there.

Speaker 5 (29:15):
Maybe in la replacing Matthew Stafford, that's more of a
possibility because of Sean McVay the relationship, But they have
created and established with the Rams where he Aaron Rodgers
wouldn't come in and upset.

Speaker 4 (29:28):
The Apple Court.

Speaker 5 (29:29):
He would just be a cog in the wheel, which
is also really important because if you're wholly dependent upon him,
all the power, all the juice goes to Aaron Rodgers.
He no longer can be trusted with that kind of power.

Speaker 4 (29:42):
Right.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
I mentioned two quarterbacks right now, you know, throwing a
lot of barbs out there, if you will, the other
ones that Miami Hurricanes, quart Bay cam Ward Okay, And
he said it's crazy. I mean the egos that some
of these guys have. And I haven't even put the
uniform on the National All League and said, quote, if
you don't draft me, that's you, that's your fourth And

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it's amazing.

Speaker 3 (30:05):
He's the same guy.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
And I'm looking at him right now. He didn't take
the field for the second half of the Pop TODs
Bowl in December, and Miami ended up losing that game
to Iowa.

Speaker 3 (30:13):
Stay forty two forty.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
One, Right, And I'm saying to myself, do I want
a guy like that in my club? I really don't know.
I Mean, here's the deal. Got good skilled, no doubt
he could. He's a gun slinger. He could throw the football.

Speaker 3 (30:25):
But where's your heart? How do you turn your back?
On your teammage.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
You didn't play in the second half, you know you're
better off not playing at all than doing what he did.

Speaker 3 (30:34):
I think.

Speaker 4 (30:36):
I think a lot has been made of this.

Speaker 5 (30:38):
I think it has been overblown about the Bowl game participation.
I'll tell you from the NFL scouting community part of it.
No one cares when these guys don't participate in bowl games.
He did Miami a solid by even going and playing
in the Bowl game, which was, let's call it what
it is, a meaningless bowling game.

Speaker 4 (30:58):
Meaningless bowl game.

Speaker 5 (30:59):
Didn't she Miami's play didn't put them in national championship contention.
There is more to lose for cam Ward than the game.
People may not like to hear that, but that's the truth.
And we are in a different era when once Christian
McCaffrey and some of the other guys set out the
games bowl games, absence and participation matters little when it

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comes to the NFL radar and what they think. What
does matter, though, is cam Ward's talent, his tenacity, his performance,
and how he can elevate franchises. When you look at
his history incarnate Ward, Washington State, Miami.

Speaker 4 (31:37):
Remember this was a zero.

Speaker 5 (31:39):
Star recruit, who had exceptional success, tremendous success at each
of those three spots. He's an alpha dog leader who
backs it up with his actions. To me, there's going
to be a very robust market for cam Ward because
he not only has the talent and the tools to
get it done, he has the tenacity that you must
have to be a franchise.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
I'll say this, and I haven't heard this anywhere. I
haven't read this anywhere. That money, and they say money
is the root of evil. Money has killed sports. Money
is killing college sports right now with the nil Money
is killed the National Football League.

Speaker 3 (32:14):
Not for the players. I'm happy.

Speaker 2 (32:15):
I'm happy for these guys making big money. Make as
much as you can grab it while you can. But
the money has killed it because because of the money,
people are very cautious because.

Speaker 3 (32:24):
Of the money.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
The bowl game, the Pro Bowl stinks because of the
money of the NBA All Star Game stinks because of
the money.

Speaker 3 (32:30):
All these bowl games.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
They're gonna go away because you're fearful as a player
to play in that game and jeopardize a long term
contract at the next level in the National Football League.
So money in one in one sense has been great
for the players so no doubt about that. They're living
high on the hog. But on the other hand, the
money has killed the game. And maybe from the first

(32:52):
point of view, it's killed it. Money is killing it,
and no one has said that, but it's true.

Speaker 5 (32:58):
Okay, well mine can you will be If money's killing
it and the money was still coming in, who's supposed
to get it? The owners, the NCAA, the institutions and
those things. The players are not supposed to have a
part of it, because yeah, with holding money makes them hungrier,

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so they participate at a more intense level.

Speaker 4 (33:22):
No, that's not it.

Speaker 5 (33:24):
I would say one the reason why it was a
problem is because the greed uh and not wanting to
share uh, the pie that prevented everything and created resentment
and all this stuff towards players, which has now made
it where everyone is operating with a mercenary mindset when
it comes to their sport and participating in those things.

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So we lost some of the core values of team
because we were on a team when it came to
splitting the money with our teammates, the players. So now
we want to go back and we want them to
continue to worry and care about the team. But it's
too late to do that because now we've created this
system where everyone's a professional and everyone is about themselves,

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so it's gonna be hard to get some of.

Speaker 4 (34:09):
Those things back. What we also have to.

Speaker 5 (34:12):
Embrace is it's not just at the collegiate and pro levels.
Anty these problems are at the lower levels. Youth football, basketball, AAU,
high school basketball, travel ball, baseball, all these things.

Speaker 4 (34:27):
You have parents and kids who are.

Speaker 5 (34:30):
Bouncing around from team to team looking for better opportunities.
When you create those habits early, do we think those
habits are gonna change late.

Speaker 4 (34:39):
No.

Speaker 5 (34:39):
So everyone has allowed their selfishness to ruin some of
the sports that we know and love. But it's not
just at the higher levels. It starts at the lower levels,
and that mindset, that mentality is Look, it is poisoning
the sport and all these sports at the lower level

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because everyone is inherently selfish and they're not doing for
the greater good. They're doing specifically for themselves and what
they hope to accomplish. What goes against all the team
sports values that we've been tosked since we were.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
Little, and we've seen many college coaches walk away from
the game, the game that they love. They've coached because
of that. We've seen it. They can't handle it. I mean,
we just we saw that with Welch Jim Laernega in
the middle of the season coaching Miami of Florida basketball.
You know, he had a team last year and went
to the final four.

Speaker 3 (35:31):
They all left.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
He asked the team, he asked them, point blank, why
don't you like Miami? Yeah, we love Miami, but there's
places out there we could get more.

Speaker 4 (35:38):
Money.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
Killed him and he said, you know what, I've had it.
He walked away many Jay Wright, my Villanova. You don't
think he walked away because of the money, the nil
of course he did. That's why these guys are walking away.
Something's got to give, you know that buckets, something's gonna give.

Speaker 4 (35:54):
Yeah, some's got to give. Now, We'll say this.

Speaker 5 (35:56):
In some of those cases, I feel like some of
those cases, the coaches.

Speaker 4 (35:59):
Are being whimpy. You know. I think some of the coaches.

Speaker 5 (36:02):
Don't want to adapted to a new generation of kids.
They can't adapt. Here's what we've seen over the last week.
We saw a clip go viral with Rick Patino at
Saint John's.

Speaker 4 (36:13):
We saw Rick.

Speaker 5 (36:13):
Patito using old school and an old school approach, old
school values to reach his team as they were down
at halftime, and he talked about their toughness in those things.
Rick Patino certainly understands how to coach kids hard despite
the money that they're making. Look, he said it this

(36:34):
week too. I'm not recruiting anymore high school kids.

Speaker 4 (36:37):
We're gonna live in the portal. That's just kind of
the way it goes.

Speaker 5 (36:41):
And what I would tell you is the money should
empower old school coaches to do it. Because here's why
we heard Rick Barrn say this, and it kind of
went under the radar.

Speaker 4 (36:51):
Rick Barnes had.

Speaker 5 (36:52):
A player who he diagrammed a player played for he
didn't shoot it. In the press conference, they asked him,
why did you lay into the player?

Speaker 4 (37:00):
He said, he's paid to do these things.

Speaker 5 (37:03):
Well, now, if you're a professional, I can hold you
even more accountable. So to me, Jay Wright and those
other guys kind of missed the boat because once we
have that transaction where you're getting paid, I can coach
you harder because it's employer employee when it comes to
the relationship.

Speaker 3 (37:19):
And I'll leave you at this.

Speaker 2 (37:20):
There's another coach there that really got in the face
of his team and he turned them around. Mick Cronin
at UCLA, he did it, and he took a page
out of Rick Patino because he was Rick Patino's assistant
in Louisville. That's what he did. Ucla had some problems.
We just went in their face.

Speaker 3 (37:35):
They turned it around. There we go.

Speaker 2 (37:36):
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Speaker 2 (37:56):
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He's Bucky Brooks. How many Furman right now? It's not
fast Bucky and Bucky. We're gonna talk a little bit
about NFL free agency right around the corner, and it's
getting heavy and heavy duty there. We got some players
out there, and I've of some wondered. I often wonder
that these players who are free agents are they more

(38:18):
into the money or are they more into like where
would I be a better fit?

Speaker 3 (38:23):
So I'm gonna ask you.

Speaker 2 (38:24):
I'll give you the name of the player, and you
tell me where they may end up and if they're
a good fit there. I'm gonna throw out from the
Cincinnati Bengals, T Higgins, who might be the best free
agent out there, most valuable at least.

Speaker 3 (38:36):
What do you think about T Higgins? His best fit?

Speaker 4 (38:39):
What do you think he may end up Cincinnati?

Speaker 5 (38:42):
Because that's where Joe Burrow wants them, and that's where
they can pay him. So I'm gonna say Cincinnati's did
best spot for T Higgins?

Speaker 4 (38:49):
All right? To hear it?

Speaker 2 (38:50):
Because I was thinking maybe if the money was good
and they don't slap that figure on him. I don't
know twenty six mili ever, it may be they go
to the Charges. I think they need they need a receiver.
You know, they need a receiver for Justin Herbert, So
I think he'd be a good fit there. But let's
move along to Stefan Diggs. Stefan Diggs right now, he's

(39:11):
with the Texans, and I guess the best fit in
my heart of hearts, would be to stay there, but
we'll see what happens. What do you think about Stefan Diggs.

Speaker 5 (39:20):
Yeah, he's a little more challenging because he's coming off
an injury. The Texans would probably be the better place
for him, like their handful of teams that that need it.
But I think Stefan is a better suited to stay
with the Houston Texas.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
All right, Now, quarterbacks Russell Wilson, all right, what about him?
Last year's with the Steelers, as he stayed with the Steelers.
They're going to bring back Wilson or Fields. What's gonna
happen there with the Pittsburgh Steelers.

Speaker 5 (39:47):
I think the Steelers probably end up taking justin Field,
so that leaves Russell Wilson to be on the market.
Maybe Russell Wilson's end up in New York and the Giants.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
All right, Sam Darnold, we've mentioned him early on today
in Minnesota Vikings, does he go?

Speaker 3 (40:01):
Does he stay? What happens there?

Speaker 4 (40:03):
Sam Dono goes to the Las Vegas Raiders?

Speaker 3 (40:06):
Really? All right?

Speaker 2 (40:08):
So quarterbacks the Minnesota Vikings JJ JJ McCarthy.

Speaker 4 (40:13):
JJ McCarthy takes over All right, that's what we do.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
We'll walk those down we'll see what happens there. All right,
guess what's taken over baseball? That and more right here
on Fox Sports Sunday coming up next. All right, it's
as easy as abs. We'll explain that in just about
a minute. Come on, everybody, this is Fox Sports Sunday,
Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 3 (40:33):
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Speaker 2 (40:35):
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a big week because everything came together. We had NBA basketball,

(40:55):
we had MLS soccer gun on the way. Yesterday, we
had Major League Baseballs bring training on on the way.

Speaker 3 (41:01):
It's all together. It's cornucopia of sports.

Speaker 2 (41:04):
I don't ever remember everything merging into one like it
has this past week. And then we got obviously in
a couple of weeks Selection Sunday and TAA Basketball. I'm
not going to say it's too much. I think it's great.
Everybody has an opportunity to corischm Morgan's board. Take your pick,
do what you want to do. I mean it's very
difficult for me to stay on top of all of it.

Speaker 3 (41:23):
What about you?

Speaker 5 (41:25):
Yeah, No, I mean like more is better when we
think about the adoptions that we have when it for
our viewing habits, whatever sports you wanted to see, you
were able to kind of get a glimpse of it.
We had a little talk about baseball. We have basketball
and for Earnest not on NBA but college. And we're
continuing to have these conversations about the NFL as we're
getting up for the combine and free agency.

Speaker 2 (41:47):
I even saw corn Hole on TV last night, and
that I watched it, but I was just, you know,
channel surfing and turning around. I see corn hole. So
everybody's getting involved. Everything is on TV. I guess they
need programming, that's what they need.

Speaker 3 (41:59):
But and catchers.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
They reported the spring training last week, and you know
who else reported robots? Robuts reported the spring training. Balls
and strikes to be called by ROBUTS also known as
ABS Automated Ball Strike System the ABS.

Speaker 3 (42:15):
Can it survive? Should survive?

Speaker 2 (42:17):
If I'm an umpire right now making good bucks that
make good six figure salaries plus vacation time during the season.
I'm worried. I'm worried that I'm going to be eliminated.
Your take on that, because if I'm an umpire, I'm
a little p old right now. I don't want an
automated robot taking my place.

Speaker 5 (42:36):
I mean, this is taking place in every industry or
across the country. AI is real, Artificial intelligence is real,
and if it starts to permeate sports.

Speaker 4 (42:47):
You're going to see robots in place.

Speaker 5 (42:50):
Because there is this desire for fans and some coaches
to want every game called perfectly, to not have human
element in a game where the mistakes are part of
the fabric of the game, and to live with those things.

Speaker 4 (43:06):
We want perfection.

Speaker 5 (43:07):
We talk about technology and all those things, and so
the only way to achieve perfection is to remove the
human element of the game and to put someone behind
the plate that can call it in unbiased fashion. And
so that's why we're talking about the robots and those
things that are calling the ball and strikes because it
was such a huge.

Speaker 4 (43:27):
Deal in public. So now we're trying to fix it.

Speaker 2 (43:30):
I hear what you're saying, and now I'm going to
go back to yesteryear because maybe you know, maybe I'm
the only one that thinks this, but I do remember
situations when there were paid calls, and it happens because
humans do make mistakes. That's when we have erasers on
pencils now make mistakes. But when it happened, you get
guys like Earl Weaver used to manage the Baltimore Oriials.
Turn this cap around backwards. I could see it like

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it was yesterday. Come out there and kick all that
dirt off a home plate. Then you had Louke Panelo
when he managed the Cincinnati Reds. He picked up a
base and pitch it out into right field. These are
antics that happen that guess they were associated with baseball.

Speaker 3 (44:04):
And negative go away.

Speaker 2 (44:05):
I thought it was fun. I thought it was gonna
make baseball more like a carnival. And maybe that's what
they don't want anymore.

Speaker 3 (44:10):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (44:11):
I mean, I get it, there's gonna be mistakes that happens.
You know, humans do make mistakes. But to replace everybody
with automated umpires, I got a problem with that, I
really do.

Speaker 5 (44:23):
I mean, that's just the way it's going. We want perfection,
we want everything to be right. We don't have time
for the games, as you said, like Lupenella throwing it
out there. I mean, we don't like those things. We
want serious. We're serious about our sports. We wanted to
be perfect all the time. There's a betting element that's
an undertone behind some of these things. So that's what

(44:44):
we're trending towards. Right, We're trending towards trying to make
it as sterile as possible with these games, that they're
not influenced by the human element that computers run it,
so we can have a level playing field at all times.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
I have not yet watched this spring training game, but
it's started this spring. Major League Baseball gives US players
a chance to test out the ABS challenge in games
all over Florida and in Arizona, and the dry run
began this past Thursday in that nationally televised Cactus League
game with the Cubs and the Dodgers.

Speaker 3 (45:13):
Did you get a chance to see it? I did not.
I did not watch with the ABS.

Speaker 5 (45:18):
I did not have an opportunity to watch it. I
know that was coming, but I didn't get a chance
to watch it. So I don't have like an actual
accounting of Hey, this is what it looks like.

Speaker 4 (45:28):
Here's the ya's and a's to it.

Speaker 2 (45:31):
And the good news is that Major League Baseball said
that it may be coming a twenty twenty six, but
not necessarily. The arrival date for the ABS still remains uncertain,
and the league might want to postpone it because it
gets to the other side of the labor crisis and
that's going to happen in two years.

Speaker 3 (45:49):
Who knows.

Speaker 2 (45:50):
But I think they want a lot of fan feedback
on this, and I think the fans really and truly
would really want to remain with the umpires. Maybe I'm wrong.
I don't think the fans want the ABS. They want
to see, you know, players and umpires arguing with them.
With the umpires, they really do want to see that.

Speaker 4 (46:08):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (46:08):
I mean, I think there's more of a thing in
terms of trying to get it right. More of the
complaining that I hear is the strike.

Speaker 4 (46:15):
Zone is changed.

Speaker 5 (46:17):
For one guy, it's this, for another guy is that,
And the lack of consistency makes it hard for players
to adapt, meaning pictures to adapt to the ever changing
strike zone with a computer or robot whatever it is
is established, it never changes and you can get the
desired results because you do have a consistent presence and

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a consistent standard that you have to meet.

Speaker 3 (46:39):
Okay, now look, I get it.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
They want the fan feedback, and that's could be a
big deal of the challenging of that. There's be a
concern with the time. You know, if a baseball player
challenges the ABS call on a ball or strike, it's
going to take time away. Okay, Baseball did a great
thing recently by shortening the game, but maybe about a
half hour with the pitch clock, they come back with

(47:02):
the ABS they're gonna do and everything they did that
was good about the game by shortening it. To me,
I didn't really care much for the pitch clock.

Speaker 3 (47:10):
I really did.

Speaker 4 (47:10):
Why.

Speaker 2 (47:11):
I think the beauty of the game with baseball has
always been the fact that it's timeless. It's the only
major sports out there that does not have a clock.
I know people are gonna say, well, golf doesn't have
a clock, Tennis really doesn't.

Speaker 3 (47:23):
You know, bowling doesn't have a clock.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
But the major team sports do not have you know,
they all have a time clock except baseball and baseball
under the stunt is a beautiful game because it's timeless.
Now they got the pitching clock. I guess everybody's in
a hurry. So they got the clock. Now that really helped.
Do we need gimmicks? That's the thing we shorten the
game of baseball? Does the game of baseball need gimmicks?

(47:46):
Because now the next gimmu is the golden at bat rule?
All right, what is it? A coach can choose to
send any better to the plate instead of a player
on deck. All right, this could happen anytime during the game,
but maybe in the late innings. Okay, the benefits kind
of be me more drama. Okay, fans may enjoy seeingle
start playing bat in the close game. Do we need

(48:06):
gimmicks like this? Bucket Brooks? Do we have to have
a golden at bat rule? Hey, if we've got to
have a golden at bat rule, why don't we have
a golden picture rule?

Speaker 3 (48:14):
Right? Put your own picture in there for a certain move.
I don't get it.

Speaker 2 (48:18):
I don't understand why sports have to have gimmicks.

Speaker 4 (48:22):
Because people don't tune in.

Speaker 5 (48:24):
So for baseball in particular, you can never control how
long the game was going to last. So let's talk
about for TV viewing football games. You kind of know,
right if I'm watching a one o'clock game, by four
point thirty, another game is going to come on. It's
probably about a three hour and fifteen minute game. We
know what that is, and so TV could account for
it and schedule baseball. Prior to some of these changes

(48:47):
that I quickened the game, you didn't know if you're
gonna see a four hour game or two hour game.
From a TV executive standpoint, how do you plan for that?
From a fan who likes baseball? But you're like, man,
I got to give you four hours to watch this game.
If you can give it to me in a condensed
fashion two two and a half, maybe I'm all in
and tuning in. Some of this is to appeal to

(49:09):
a younger fan base that has a short attention span.
When I watch my kids move, move things around and YouTube,
they don't finish the entire video and they're on to
the next. That's what you have in watching these games.
It's partially by design to keep the younger audience engaged
and also to speed up a game that sometimes can

(49:31):
drag out when you would like to see people like, hey,
let's go quit throwing over the first base. Either you
throw over and get them out, or when you address
the pitch like a rest the hitter.

Speaker 4 (49:40):
So I am okay with the changes. Doesn't bother me
at all.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
Okay, you're told about your kids and they don't have
like there wasn't a rush. Why is that typical with
the younger generation? Now you coach, you coach a lot
of youngsters right now.

Speaker 3 (49:52):
Do you see that? I mean, why is that? What happened?
What was the change?

Speaker 2 (49:57):
I don't know, you know, I don't see young kids
sitting down and reading a book. I don't see that
happening anymore. I really don't. I mean, I don't understand
how libraries even remain open. I guess they remound it
open up because people use it for computers. That's why
to go to the libraries. Now they don't read books anymore, right, Yeah, the.

Speaker 5 (50:14):
World is changing, uh And the world changed with the
advent and explosion of technology, phones, iPads, all those things
that allowed us to have things in the touch of
our hand.

Speaker 4 (50:26):
It quickened our clock. Also, our habits.

Speaker 5 (50:30):
Changed when it came to being able to access YouTube
and Google and research.

Speaker 4 (50:34):
We don't have.

Speaker 5 (50:37):
I would say not the work ethic, but the depth
to be able to Hey, let me figure it out.
Let me go to a cyclopedia, let me go dig
deep into these books to find the answers to my things.
Everything has become rush fast food, all of it. So
the world has changed, and that has changed the habits
of young people, which impacts what we all present.

Speaker 4 (50:56):
You know, on our side.

Speaker 2 (50:58):
I'm going to say something and if you want you
could laugh, go ahead. What I'm learning from you today
and what we talked about going way back with the
four team hockey tournament which is on Thursday night at
the USA B Canada. You know where we see the
changing the changing face of sports right now, speed whatever
it may be, because of people who run these sports

(51:20):
leagues are fifty years of age and up, commissioners, whatever
it may be. They don't have a feel, they have
no clue what the younger people of our country really want.
They're trying like the Rob Manford deal with the gold
in at back Room, which he says he's going to
put on hold for right now as of December.

Speaker 3 (51:38):
I think he said he's not currently considering it.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
But they probably need to get some youngsters involved, kids
in their twenties, even get on staff to say we
really need to do this.

Speaker 3 (51:50):
You want to change. I get it.

Speaker 2 (51:51):
Change is good and you want to change, but they
don't know how to change. That's the problem. The National
Basketball Association. They need to change. Too many three point goals,
that's the way they play the game. These teams that
combine for ninety plus three's a game?

Speaker 3 (52:06):
You know, change it? Do you know how?

Speaker 2 (52:07):
No, Get the youngsters. They'll tell you how to do it.
Am I wrong on that? Get some young guys, Get
some young blood in these leagues, and they'll tell you
what the leagues need. All I hear about the National
Basketball Association, why it's going down the Crapper and the
ratings are down on TV because they don't have any
new young superstars. Well, promote them, promote them, promote the man,

(52:28):
all right, promote these guys. Do you know people have
seen enough of Lebron and Steph Curry, they've seen them.

Speaker 3 (52:34):
Move on, move on from those guys. Am I wrong
on that?

Speaker 4 (52:40):
Look?

Speaker 5 (52:40):
I think it's a little bit not only just moving on.

Speaker 4 (52:44):
I think it's embracing new stuff.

Speaker 5 (52:46):
We now live in a streaming world, so you've got
to make sure that your product appears on streams. We
have a lot of people that consume their TV and
content viewing on their phone, so it has to be
digitized to make it easy on the eyes. If it
is a small screen experience, all of those things factor in.

Speaker 4 (53:06):
But it's either adapt or die.

Speaker 5 (53:09):
Either you adapt to the changing circumstances or you're gonna
die and be left behind. That's just the way that
we have to operate in business and sports, all of
those things.

Speaker 4 (53:19):
It has to be the same intel.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
You know, people love, they want to You know why
soccer has been popular in the MLS not because the
game is so great, because I worked in the North
American Soccer League may at Rest in Peace and it
was fairly popular. I mean we played teams we played with,
We played the New York I worked for the Fort
loader Dale Strikers and we went to New York. We
played the Cosmos. All right, we get seventy thousand people there.

(53:42):
You know, out of the seventy thousand and sixty five
thousand didn't speak English in the stands. That's you know,
New York City's a melting pot and no really, and
they were foreigners who loved the sport of soccer. They
grew up with it. But why is the MLS all
of a sudden exciting. The stars were better in the
North American League. They had Pele, they had the Canaglia
that all these guys, they're great.

Speaker 3 (54:03):
George Best was.

Speaker 2 (54:03):
On forload of dale with when I worked there. We
have better players, But why is it more popular now?
Because people realize when they go to a soccer game,
if the game starts at seven o'clock, they'll be hold
by nine running clock, two forty five minute halves. They
have to get in there and get out. Go to
a baseball game, it starts at one in the afternoon.
You may not go until six, may go extra endys.

(54:25):
You know, you know what's gonna happen with baseball. I
thought that was beautiful. You don't know. But people right
now are in a hurry. And that's why MLS is successful.
Not because the game is so great. The game hasn't changed.
Still eleven guys on the soccer team. And still if
you go to the toilet during the game, they score
a goal and you lose one. Nothing you miss it.
You know, you got to stay on top of the action,

(54:45):
you know. But the point is that they know families know, well,
seven o'clock will get there, we'll be home by nine.

Speaker 3 (54:51):
Two hours. Boom, that's it.

Speaker 4 (54:56):
Agreed, you get all the way out. Sorry, Andy, Oh
I lost.

Speaker 3 (55:01):
No, I'm just saying we just repeat it.

Speaker 4 (55:03):
No.

Speaker 2 (55:03):
The success of of Major League soccer not so much
of the game itself or the players, the fact that
people know that if they get there for seven o'clock kickoff,
they'll be hauled by nine.

Speaker 4 (55:15):
And that said, yeah, it is.

Speaker 5 (55:17):
What we talked about is being able to fit the
boxes right from a viewing standpoint, is being able to
build your evening around Okay, this game starts to seven,
it's gonna end a nine.

Speaker 4 (55:25):
Then we can go do X, Y and Z. Football
is very.

Speaker 5 (55:28):
Much like that we talk about the boxes that they
feel it takes about three hours and fifteen minutes to
play in the NFL football game. Bat baseball had too
big of a variance from two hours to four hours
depending on pitchers and hitters and how the game plan goes.
So in trying to make it where it always can
fit into a like a subscribed time window, I think

(55:50):
that is the goal. And the speed of play also
is for the generation that has a short attension span
when it would take these long lags in between pitches. Man,
it's hard to sit in there for eight to nine
pitch at bat when the guys always stepping out of
the box, the pitch is always throwing over the first base,
or you know, going through their routine. It takes a lot,

(56:10):
so you kind of want to have some pace and
urgency to the game, so you can't fit it in
within those those time blocks that are on the counter.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
The biggest thing Major League Baseball did in the last
maybe ten to fifteen years is to eliminate double headers.
And the reason given to the general public was, well,
the Major League Baseball owners wanted to get two admissions.
They didn't want to make you pay, or they didn't
want people to pay one admissionancy two games.

Speaker 9 (56:34):
No.

Speaker 2 (56:34):
I mean, they should have came back and said, we're
doing it for you, the fans, because we didn't want
to have you to sit through two games. As a kid,
I went to double headers at Yankee Stadium. All right,
first pitch is one o'clock. I get home eight o'clock
at night. I never thought twice about it. Now people
don't want to do that no more double headers. That's
the way it is. And it's not because of the emissions.
Maybe that's part of the reason, but I think it

(56:55):
was a great thing to adapt to the public right
now because, as you say, they don't have the time
spend or they don't want to spend the time, all
that time sitting at a baseball stadium watching two games
in one shot.

Speaker 3 (57:09):
That's the way it is, and.

Speaker 5 (57:11):
It is the way it is, and it's the way
it's going to continue to be, and we have to
just be okay with that.

Speaker 4 (57:16):
Andy.

Speaker 5 (57:17):
It's one of those things that like, as the world
continues to change and as we're looking at the viewing habits,
and I will say this, like people just have to
look around and look at what the kids are doing
because it's that next generation. The popular demographic demographic that
everyone's shooting for is eighteen to thirty four, right, that's
the young people. That's how you build your lineups off

(57:37):
of thinking, how can I penetrate that demographic that's the
young people? How can we keep them, how can we
captivate them, how can we expand our reach to that segment? Well,
the game has to be swift and fast and engaging
all of those things.

Speaker 4 (57:53):
That's why they play music. At games.

Speaker 5 (57:54):
That's why they do all this stuff and ain't for
the old generation like us. It's for the young people,
and we have to kind of meet them where they
are and be okay with shedding some of the things
that were traditions and norms yesteryear.

Speaker 2 (58:07):
Okay, you talk about gimmicks, so let's get into the
gimmick situation. I get the aps, I gonna have the
roebuds doing the umpiring. I could live at that. You know,
you know part of the showmanship of baseball was umpires
fighting with managers. I guess it's going to go away.
A lot of things go away and you survive. There's
no big deal about that. But we talk about football
moving the extra point back? What was the reason about that?

(58:27):
Why did they move to the thirty three yard line
or something? After a touchdown? It was just the extra
po Why why is that?

Speaker 5 (58:33):
It became just a ceremony of play like it was
always automatic, So what was the point we were looking
at something that didn't have any drama in it moving
it back fifteen yards? We began to see kickers miss
the PAHs and that change gameplay, just like adding the two.

Speaker 4 (58:50):
Point conversion and all that.

Speaker 5 (58:51):
It is all about enhancing gameplay, making the game exciting,
trying to get away from it just kind of being
status quo. That's why we saw some of those things
kind of playout.

Speaker 2 (59:00):
Okay, And look, I'm a statistic nut, you know, as
my background was working with teams and doing pr work
and statistics. You know, every stat right now is thrown
off base. What do I mean by that? You know,
if a guy as a consecutive kicking extra point streak
doesn't mean anything really now because now they got the
new kickoff distance over the last several years, all right,

(59:21):
it doesn't make a difference. They took guys to rush
for one thousand yards a season doesn't mean anything right
now because they're playing seventeen games. I mean, maybe I'm
going a little too far in there, because people don't care,
especially now with the gambling out there. Gambling takes over everything,
and people don't care if they play seventeen games, seven
games or eighteen games, doesn't make a difference.

Speaker 3 (59:41):
They're putting their.

Speaker 2 (59:42):
Money on the game, and that's what it's all about.
You know, I'm a statistical freak, and maybe that's just
the way it is, and I'm just alone in that department.
You know, that's the way it is.

Speaker 5 (59:51):
I mean, I don't know if you're necessarily alone in
the department. I just think that we all have to
kind of get used to, you know, a different you're
viewing things, and the sports that we have always known
in love like are just changing.

Speaker 4 (01:00:06):
And I'll say they're changing for the better.

Speaker 5 (01:00:07):
But there's change, and change is always gonna come and
we have to adapt to it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
Okay, Well, what about the overtime rule. I think the
overtime rule in the National FOOTBA League is very confusing
when they just make a sudden death ten minutes boom,
that's the way it is. Who put that together? That
overtime rule has to be changed, if you agree. And
it's different in the playoffs too than the regular season.

Speaker 4 (01:00:30):
I don't know if it has to change. I will say.

Speaker 5 (01:00:33):
What we have are people that are always complaining about results,
like after the fact, So overtime change because a want
to shorter overtime.

Speaker 4 (01:00:44):
We're trying to keep everybody safe and healthy.

Speaker 5 (01:00:47):
Then it became, ah, well it's not fair for one
team to get it.

Speaker 4 (01:00:50):
Both teams should touch it, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:00:53):
Then it continues to expand on that part of it.
You know, like Kansas City Buffalo have an issue in
the playoffs, and so we need to make sure that
we do these things to appease it.

Speaker 4 (01:01:03):
There's always this.

Speaker 5 (01:01:04):
Thing where we're knee jerk reacting to the public outcry. Now,
sometimes you have to say, ay, these are the rules
and they're not change and be okay with it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:14):
I get it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
You don't want to see a game and end then
a tie, which is meaning it's ridiculous, But there's got
to be a better way to finish the game.

Speaker 3 (01:01:21):
I'll talk about soccer right now.

Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
They'll play ninety hard minutes for a tie and then
after that a.

Speaker 3 (01:01:26):
Shootout and make any says the game is dependent.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
Upon guys taking penalty kicks after ninety minutes of hard
play and sweat and tears, and it all boils down
to a couple of penalty shots. That to me is
the most ridiculous thing in sports, It really is.

Speaker 5 (01:01:41):
I mean, but you can't play forever, you know, you
can't just go sudden there forever, and soccer fatigue plays
a role that and eventually sets in you. Ultimately, you
have to find a way to reach some kind of
conclusion and the way that these people have determined that
a the best way to do it is to put

(01:02:01):
these little mini matches or pks or anything that you
can find to just kind of achieve that desire result.
It is not ideal, but we never can make an
ideal where everyone is one hundred percent happy. But you're trying,
and you got to continue to keep trying.

Speaker 3 (01:02:17):
You're exactly right. Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
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(01:03:34):
They're talking about expanding college football playoffs, maybe from twelve
teams to maybe sixteen teams. So the question I had
when I heard this, I said, well, why who is
that going to benefit? Well, coaches, it will benefit them
because they'll have some job security. Athletic directors the same
thing for them, they'll have some job security because the

(01:03:57):
teams will do better, better chances of them going to
a tournament and maybe win. Who knows conference commissioners. If benefits,
then more money and the same thing for the TV networks.
But would it or does it benefit the game? I
don't think it does. I don't think expanding four more
teams in the college football playoffs will really benefit the game,

(01:04:21):
benefit the competition, benefit the fans watching it. I'll watch,
no doubt about that. But I don't think it benefits.

Speaker 3 (01:04:27):
The game at all. I think it waters it down.

Speaker 4 (01:04:30):
I don't know if it waters it down.

Speaker 5 (01:04:32):
I treated like I've seen college football playoffs.

Speaker 4 (01:04:37):
Decided at every lower level.

Speaker 5 (01:04:39):
They always culminate in a tournament, a bracket that is
very similar to a high school tournament, whether it's sixteen,
twenty four or whatever. Teams you got to run the
gauntlet to win the championship. I think we are making
it a bigger deal when we're talking about it waterining
it down.

Speaker 4 (01:04:54):
You know what else is watered down? The bowl games.

Speaker 5 (01:04:56):
No one tunes into the bowl games? So why do
we have bowl games only because they? To me, I
would rather have a sixteen playoff field, sixteen team playoff field,
and let's put those best teams, put the conference champions
in there, put everybody else that are at large and
less to who the best team is after a five
week playoff. If you do that, then we are more

(01:05:18):
likely to have the best team win and we can debate.

Speaker 4 (01:05:20):
It and talk about it.

Speaker 5 (01:05:22):
But after seeing it in high school for so long,
what's the difference. I don't understand why we act like
college is so drastic different from high school when it
comes to the way that they determine the champion.

Speaker 2 (01:05:32):
Because high school they want to give everybody a chance.
They want to have like that competition trophy they give out.
We're on the college level, it's all about money. It's
all about greed. There's two different animals over there entirely,
and especially the way the college thing is going to
do it. The SEC and the Big Ten. We're going
to control the expansion situation next year. Consider this deal.

(01:05:52):
The first team left out of the twelve team field
this past season finished with four losses. Three of the
four losses came against teams with a combined record of
twenty one and eighteen. The playoff would be reserved for
the SEC and the Big Ten. That is not fair.
That's what they want. They're bullying it. They are get
this a fourteen team format. A possibility of fourteen teams

(01:06:15):
next year, there's going to be this four automatic bids
for the Big Ten, four automatic bigs for the SEC,
two eachs for the ACC and the Big twelve, and
one for the Group of five and one at large.
Why why do it that way? I don't understand why
there are guaranteed bids from the four from the four

(01:06:36):
bids from the Big Ten, and four for the SEC.

Speaker 3 (01:06:38):
Why are they guaranteed?

Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
You start the season off knowing there's a real good chance,
no matter what your record is, you're gonna have four
teams in there. You finish in the top four in
your league. You're going that's not fair. It's not right,
It really isn't.

Speaker 4 (01:06:51):
I don't know. I mean, how many teams do you
want in it? Four? Four wasn't enough, you know, Four
wasn't enough for us to see who's who. It's what.

Speaker 5 (01:06:59):
I would rather the games be decided on the field
to play, then the eyeball test and the computers.

Speaker 4 (01:07:06):
For too long.

Speaker 5 (01:07:06):
We've had well, this team doesn't look like the best team,
and that team looks like the best team.

Speaker 4 (01:07:10):
Whatever, how about we play the game.

Speaker 5 (01:07:13):
None of us thought that Ohio State was the best
team in the country after we saw them get whooped
by Michigan, but then they ran the Gauntlet and they
won the national title.

Speaker 4 (01:07:21):
I am okay with that.

Speaker 5 (01:07:22):
If we talk about a meritocracy, the only way to
have a meritocracy is to make people earn it on
the field. So regardless of whether you put fourteen, sixteen,
twenty twenty four teams in there, the only way to
know who the true champion is is to let them
play it out on the field.

Speaker 3 (01:07:37):
I hear what you're saying. I agree with everything you say. However,
let's go back.

Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
The SEC and the Big Ten are going to begin
the season knowing that, no matter how their teams do,
no matter what their record is, the two conferences would
account for no less than fifty percent of the playoff Bitch,
that's not fair. Yeah, I'm with you with opening up
the fourteen or sixteen teams. If those teams are deserved,
and what if there's a undefeated team in the Mountain.

Speaker 3 (01:08:02):
West, Well, two teams are worthy in the Mountain West.

Speaker 5 (01:08:05):
Okay, So then how do we determine if they're deserving?
If they go undefeated playing a cupcase schedule, that makes
them deserving because their record is that. I think if
you expand the playoff, you now have a better opportunity
of getting meaningful.

Speaker 4 (01:08:18):
Games early in the year.

Speaker 5 (01:08:20):
Maybe you can get Tennessee to play Ohio State in
a non conference game because it won't crush their playoff hopes.
The more you tighten it up in terms of the
fewer teams that you have in it, the less likely
the top teams.

Speaker 4 (01:08:34):
Are going to play in the regular season.

Speaker 5 (01:08:36):
What matters more to you the tournament or the regular
season or both? Would you like to see great games
throughout the regular seating leading into a great conference championship?
And more to me out for the latter, I want
to see these people play meaningful games, and then I
want to see them playing All Star games. And on
another story, but.

Speaker 2 (01:08:54):
I'm thinking right now that the commissions of the SEC
and the Big Ten, especially the SEC, very war of
the SEC, not for what they might do, very war
of the SEC on their history, on their dominance of
a great conference in years past.

Speaker 3 (01:09:09):
It's kind of like Major League Baseball.

Speaker 2 (01:09:10):
They would be like guaranteeing the Yankees an automatic playoff
bid every year because of how great they've won. They've
won twenty seven World Series it's not right.

Speaker 4 (01:09:19):
I mean I don't think it.

Speaker 5 (01:09:22):
Yeah, I don't think it's necessarily that right in terms
of brand and those things. I think you still have
to be good enough to get in there. But let's
I mean, let's talk about like Clemson, and let's talk
about you know, a team that was not the Clemson
wasn't highly regarded, highly thought of for most of the year,
but they won their way in in a conference championship game.

Speaker 4 (01:09:44):
I'm okay with that.

Speaker 5 (01:09:45):
And then people were mad because Texas and maybe they
didn't give Texas a game that everyone wanted. But some
of that happens. That happens in playoffs in every sport.
In every sport, we see these whole home games that
aren't competitive, we go on to the next round. Football,
this seems like it's the only one where we want
every game to be a one point game.

Speaker 4 (01:10:06):
It doesn't happen like that. This is kind of part
of the deal.

Speaker 5 (01:10:09):
But if you expand the playoffs and you make people
go through the tournament, go run the gauntlet, you then
have a better basis of knowing, yeah, this is the
best team in the country. Because they had to navigate
everything that they navigated to become a winning team.

Speaker 3 (01:10:23):
Okay, let's do this. Let's go back in time. Let's
go back last season.

Speaker 4 (01:10:27):
I did this.

Speaker 2 (01:10:28):
If there was a model, if they had the fourteen
teams this past year and would look like this in
the SEC, the four teams coming out of the SEC
would have gone to Texas they were seven and one
in the league. Georgia there were six and two, Tennessee
six and two, and then there was a sixth way
tie between the five and three teams Alabama, LSU, Mississippi, Missouri,

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South Carolina, Texas A and M five and three. Come on, Really,
one decimal point difference in the total win percentage column
would be the difference of making the player of making
maybe the Reliance Bowl or the Quest.

Speaker 3 (01:11:04):
Bowl or the other garbage bowls out there.

Speaker 2 (01:11:06):
It doesn't make any sense. I mean, I just don't
think it's fair. And firstly, a team that's five and
three in the league are they deserving I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:11:13):
I mean more is better here.

Speaker 2 (01:11:15):
Maybe I think the fans love it and it certainly
gives their lumps more of a more juice to say, hey,
look we got a shot right now. I remember that
the four teams there's always that fifteam pressing their nose
against the glass, saying we should have got in. Now
they're opening it up a little more, kind of like
the NCAA basketball. I'm not too happy with the sixty
eight teams. You don't need that many teams, but you know,

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it makes people happy and it makes a lot of money.

Speaker 4 (01:11:39):
The money factor, yeah, I mean, look, the money factor
is all that. But here's what I'll say.

Speaker 5 (01:11:46):
If you want people to play a meetingful regular season schedule,
you have to expand the number of teams to the
end the tournament. If you want to see people play
cupcake you every week until they play their league, then
leave it as it is, because people will not risk
an opportunity to go to the playoffs by scheduling a
hard game if it's going to put them out.

Speaker 4 (01:12:03):
Of the mix.

Speaker 5 (01:12:04):
So we got to decide what do we want. Do
you want to see great regular season games or do
we just want to see great postseason games? But we
can't have them both. And if we complain and moan
and whine about all of it, then look, no one
is going to satisfy our appetite. Because if I'm a
coach and be like, yeah, I'm not playing a hard schedule.
I'll just wait and I'll just wait and get into

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the postseason, and then you can tell me whether I'm
good enough or not, because a lot of US box
score scout and we look at the numbers and oh,
this team is undefeated, so that means they're good. For instance, Indiana,
Indiana gets into the playoffs and they play a different
level in terms of Notre Dame, and we saw, like, yeah,
Indiana did a pretty good job doing the regular season,

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the schedule broke their way, they made their way into
the tournament, and then they got Molly Wop. It was
a nice story, a nice season for Indiana, but ultimately
the better team won. And in the playoffs, typically the
best team is all he's.

Speaker 4 (01:13:00):
Going to win. I just want to see him challenging.

Speaker 5 (01:13:02):
I believe in expanded field brings about a different set
of challenges for those top seeds.

Speaker 2 (01:13:07):
So you're telling me that usually the SEC coming down
the stretcherund Thanksgiving time, schools like Alabama are going to
play Louisiana Tech. That's going to go away. That's going
to go away. Now, I don't think so. They'll still
play those cupcakes down the stretch that they have such
a tough schedule doing in the SEC.

Speaker 4 (01:13:24):
We're in the SEC.

Speaker 5 (01:13:25):
We're talking about one cupcake, right, We're talking about they
play a directional school in somewhere near the endencies in
week eight or nine, they'll have that cupcake in there.
But if you want to see them play tough teams early,
if you want to see Alabama venture and play at Michigan,
or if you want to see some of those games,
the only way you can do it is to make
sure that those teams can test themselves early but still

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have an opportunity to get into the playoff field late.
So it's however we want it, if we want it early,
if we wanted late, whatever it is. Coaches are going
to adapt, but they're going to think about their schedule
with the playoffs in mind.

Speaker 2 (01:14:02):
Yeah, we saw that last year with USC. Remember prior
to the season, there was some talt that USC would
not want to play Notre Dame down the stretch. I mean,
it's crazy right now, but look, I'm with you. I
don't mind more teams involved, but as long as those
teams are deserving, I don't want guaranteed spots. Guaranteed slots
in there like four for Big ten and four for

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the SEC. I just don't think that's fair. And maybe
they'll work it out. Yeah, give me fourteen teams in
the playoffs, I don't mind, but make sure that they're
deserving and don't give me a guaranteed situation.

Speaker 3 (01:14:33):
That's all well.

Speaker 5 (01:14:35):
I mean, I think you have to have some loose
guarantees in there to ensure you get the teams from
the heavyweight conferences in Like what no one wants to
see is like, oh, okay, we have one SEC team,
then we got five teams from the AAC or Conversations
or whatever those conferences are.

Speaker 4 (01:14:52):
I mean, that's the only way to do it.

Speaker 5 (01:14:54):
I think you also have to populate it with some
at large bids to ensure that you're not missing any teams.
So as much as people talk about fourteen, I'm like,
the difference in fourteen and sixteen is negligible. Make it
sixteen so then you can get everybody in the tournament
and the champ has to walk to gauntlet.

Speaker 4 (01:15:13):
I don't want to see BI weeks and all that
other stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:15:16):
Like, right, everybody plays that first weekend, have a set
of you know, the round of sixteen. Then you have
the quarters and then break it down that way.

Speaker 4 (01:15:24):
Uh yeah. The bye weeks and stuff do nothing for me.

Speaker 2 (01:15:28):
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Speaker 6 (01:15:49):
Okay, let's figure out rock those brains, gentlemen, these stories
need an.

Speaker 3 (01:15:54):
Ass I think we need a ruling on this. Yay
or nay?

Speaker 9 (01:15:58):
All right, everybody, it is time for yay or nay.
It is your boy Patty here, your executive producer Andy,
and I got one from you and Bucky right now.
So there was much booing by fans during the forty
three Team Nations playoff.

Speaker 1 (01:16:14):
Yay or nay? Go with Andy ego first.

Speaker 2 (01:16:19):
You know what, though, I'm gonna go nay because I
know it's a heated rivalry. But fans usually are somewhat
respectful for the anthemvil of the countries.

Speaker 3 (01:16:28):
We see that in the Olympics, but well.

Speaker 2 (01:16:30):
With disrespecting their countries as we did Canada, as our
political people did not gonna mention your names.

Speaker 3 (01:16:36):
We shouldn't be surprised, we really should. I didn't like it.
I thought it was disgusting, but that's just the way
it is.

Speaker 5 (01:16:43):
Uh yeah, as well, I would say, like, yeah, when
you disrespect him, you added something to it. And so
it did create a very contentious environment. So I have
to be okay with it because we kind of stirred
it up.

Speaker 1 (01:16:56):
All right, sweet, Well, I like it. I like it both.
I like both. Well, I got one more for you, guys.

Speaker 9 (01:17:02):
Research by ind Moment shows fans prefer Florida over Arizona
for baseball spring training. Yay or nay a Bucky, you
get the first go at this.

Speaker 4 (01:17:13):
Yay.

Speaker 5 (01:17:14):
I can understand that of Florida. Look, the heat is
different in Arizona than Florida. It's a little muggier in Florida,
but it's still Injoybra. I am fine because of the
teams that train out there. So yeah, I can understand
Florida having a better environment for spring training.

Speaker 3 (01:17:30):
Of course it's Florida. Yeah, there's so much more to do.

Speaker 2 (01:17:32):
What are you gonna go go out with a cactus
plant there in Arizona. There's snakes out there. Florida's the
place to go. It goes down to the keys. Everything's
in Florida, Miami South Beach. Everybody wants to go to Florida,
and especially if you have an East East Coast club
on these Coast team, it's a hell of a trip
to go out to Arizona.

Speaker 3 (01:17:51):
Florida's the place.

Speaker 9 (01:17:52):
All right, Well, Florida may be the place. Well I'm
gonna go to a place in New York for this one.
Andy So changing stripes Yankees to allow well groomed beards.
Yay or nay? Mister Furman, what the hell.

Speaker 3 (01:18:05):
Took so long? I mean we're twenty twenty five right now.
You can't grow with beard. Let me tell you something.
Right now.

Speaker 2 (01:18:10):
If you're a baseball player, you want to grow a
beard and the team says you can, next thing, you know,
you'll be in court.

Speaker 3 (01:18:15):
Yay, it's about time. Do I like beards?

Speaker 2 (01:18:17):
Not really, but you know what, you're allowed to grow one.

Speaker 4 (01:18:21):
No, I'm a nay on this one's the Yankees tradition.

Speaker 5 (01:18:24):
They've always been that part of that clean could look
the way they looked, they were the epitome of class.

Speaker 4 (01:18:29):
Uh yeah, I'm all over this.

Speaker 2 (01:18:30):
No, the red used to be that way too, to
Cincinnati Reds. I don't know what happened, really, that was
a big deal. March shot never makes you rest in peace.
Never wanted beards on that team. Or facial hair. Well,
this next one, yeah, I had facial hair. Though she
had facial hair, you know that. Let's get to the
bottom of.

Speaker 9 (01:18:48):
It, right now, let's get to the bottom of it. Well,
let's get to the bottom of this one. And this
may not be facial hair, but this may. It's gonna
go back to your robots thing here. So the NFL, MLB, NCAA,
NASCAR are are backing a buill to disabled drones at stadiums.

Speaker 1 (01:19:05):
Yay or nay, But we're gonna go Bucky. What do
you think.

Speaker 4 (01:19:10):
Let's go with Let's go with yay, Let's go it
okay with the drones and all other stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:19:14):
Yeah, I'm okay with I'm gonna go nay because I
kind of like the cameras on the drones that take
some some aerial shots for TV, So I guess they'll
talk about fans.

Speaker 3 (01:19:24):
You know, they want fans to have the drones over there,
but sores TV.

Speaker 2 (01:19:27):
I have no problem because I think the aerial shots
with the drones are pretty darn good.

Speaker 1 (01:19:32):
Well, you know what's pretty darn good.

Speaker 9 (01:19:34):
We got one last one for us here, So it's
time has come to scrap the NFL Pro Bowl and
NBA All Star Game.

Speaker 1 (01:19:41):
Yay or nay? Final say, Andy Furman, what do you think?

Speaker 3 (01:19:45):
You know what?

Speaker 2 (01:19:45):
I hate to say. Yeah, I'm gonna say nay, but
but I think that they need to be redone. Let's
go back to the drawing board, like kind of tweak
them a little bit, so I'll say nay.

Speaker 5 (01:19:56):
I'm I'm gonna say yay because I'm so tired of
hearing about everyone can play about it.

Speaker 4 (01:20:00):
Let's see what life is like without it.

Speaker 5 (01:20:02):
I'm kind of with Kevin duranin those guys like, yeah,
take it away.

Speaker 2 (01:20:06):
Really yeah, But there's always money involved there, buck, I mean,
guys get bonuses to go to the All Star Game,
to take that away, to taking money away.

Speaker 3 (01:20:13):
Can't take money away from athletes.

Speaker 4 (01:20:16):
I think you'll be okay without it, all.

Speaker 3 (01:20:18):
Right, Hey, a topic that must be discussed. We do
it next.

Speaker 2 (01:20:21):
We're right here at Fox Sports Sunday. All right, we
see it, but we don't speak it. That's coming right up.

Speaker 3 (01:20:30):
Good morning.

Speaker 2 (01:20:30):
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Speaker 3 (01:20:46):
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Speaker 2 (01:20:47):
The way tire buying should be. Bucky Brooks, how's it going.
We're rolling right now. We're moving our number three right here.

Speaker 4 (01:20:55):
I mean it's going well. I can't complain. I am
loving it. Like the conversation we're having today.

Speaker 3 (01:21:00):
This is great.

Speaker 2 (01:21:01):
We talk about conversations right now. I love this so
much more so than when we have football during the
NFL season, which I do love the NFL. But basically
ninety nine percent of the shows that are on radio
talk shows are predicting the games, breaking down the games,
which you know, really and truly not much thought process
goes in there. We're going to talk about something right now,

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which is very difficult for some but I think it
has to be talked about.

Speaker 3 (01:21:27):
I really do. We're going to talk about.

Speaker 2 (01:21:28):
Diversity, and it's going to make some people very uncomfortable.
Diversity in sports, in particular the National Football League a
league right now bucket books, which I think is eighty
percent black?

Speaker 3 (01:21:39):
Am I correct?

Speaker 4 (01:21:40):
Of that?

Speaker 2 (01:21:40):
Close to eighty percent black? With participants in that league.

Speaker 5 (01:21:44):
I think it's closer to seventy percent, but it is
overwhelmingly a black and brown league for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:21:50):
All right.

Speaker 2 (01:21:51):
And this is what I read the other day. And
I think that people are going to say, why are
you talking about this? I don't care.

Speaker 3 (01:21:56):
Well, I think it's important. I really do. I think
it's important that well.

Speaker 2 (01:21:58):
Until the Chicago Bears to Thomas Brown to interim offensive
coordinator during the regular season, the NFL did not have
a single black offensive coordinator.

Speaker 3 (01:22:07):
Why. I have no idea. How could that be? I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:22:10):
And after Brown was promoted to the interim head coach
of the Bears later that month, after the Bears fired
mattiba Flus, the Bears gave Thomas Beatty the bump up
to take him from a quarterback coach to the league's
only the league's only black offensive coordinator. Again, how does
that happen?

Speaker 3 (01:22:28):
Tell me? How does that happen?

Speaker 2 (01:22:29):
Because right now, the Bears coaching staff was not retained
after the season, and Beattie was hired as the Las
Vegas Raiders receivers coach. As a result, the number of
black offensive coordinators in the National Football League is take
a guess, zero in the league, that's what close to
seventy plus percent black participants. You want to have people

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who could relate to other people of the same color,
and you don't have one.

Speaker 3 (01:22:54):
How does that happen? And whatever happened to the Rooney rule?

Speaker 2 (01:22:57):
I know, Bucky Brooks, I'm gonna hear the comments I
hear in my head right now.

Speaker 3 (01:23:01):
Who cares? Play the game? What are you talking about?
I care? I care?

Speaker 2 (01:23:06):
And you can't tell me the players don't care. They
have to care about this.

Speaker 5 (01:23:11):
Yeah, no, we're It's a tough spot when it comes
to all of those things because sports reflects real life,
and real life respects reflects sports. And so when you
have these initiatives where we're eliminating diversity, equity, and inclusion,
that ultimately filters into every aspect of it. And so
people will talk about meritocracy, Well, you have to earn it,

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you have to earn the right. We want to take
the best and most qualified candidates. Okay, well, some of
these initiatives were to expand your pool to make sure
that you're giving everyone an opportunity to put their best
foot forward to see if they could.

Speaker 4 (01:23:47):
Earn the job.

Speaker 5 (01:23:48):
Now that you hand them the job, because they represent
a diverse background and you're trying to include a different.

Speaker 4 (01:23:57):
Race or whatever in the discussion.

Speaker 5 (01:23:59):
But what what's happened is most people, and this happens
in business, most people hire people that they know, people
that they're related to, or people that remind them of themselves.
And so to get people to expand their horizons, you
have to be exposed to others. If you don't challenge
people to expand outside of their comfort zone.

Speaker 4 (01:24:22):
Then they will continue to repeat the cycles.

Speaker 5 (01:24:25):
What we have is in a league where for a
long time, Blacks were not permitted to play what we
call thinking man positions quarterback, center, mike linebacker, free safety.
If you go back in the sixties, those positions, you
really saw blacks put in those positions. Head coaching candidates
for years have always come out of those positions because

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you want the most cerebral people to then ultimately transition
and lead your teams.

Speaker 4 (01:24:52):
And so it put you behind the eight ball.

Speaker 5 (01:24:54):
Because the quarterback positioning, because offense is viewed as more cerebral,
more of a thinking, strategical, tactical side of the ball
than defense, which is seen as reactionary aggressive. In those things,
more of the Blacks are tended to skew towards.

Speaker 4 (01:25:13):
Defense than offense.

Speaker 5 (01:25:14):
And I will tell you this, more Blacks have been
told you have a better chance of getting major opportunities
if you coach defense, because we have seen defensive head
coaches ascend to head coaching jobs. Look at Mike Tomlin,
look at Tomiko Ryans, look at some of those guys.
Most of your black head coaches have come from that side.

Speaker 4 (01:25:33):
Of the ball.

Speaker 5 (01:25:33):
And so you're in this weird space where you're not
giving a lot of opportunities in terms of working with
quarterbacks and calling offensive plays, and so you have to
make a decision in the lower ranks what is the
best path for me to be a head coach, And
so you're lost and you're left with a lack of
candidates in those areas where you want to see black

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offensive coordinators.

Speaker 2 (01:25:58):
Well I did some digging. Okay, people gonna say, well,
you must have too much free time on your hand.
Well I did something, and you're a hundred percent correct,
because while the number of black offensive coordinators remains low,
remains zero, diversity among the NFL's defensive coordinators has gone up. Really,
there are currently over a dozen defensive coordinators of color
in the National Football League, and of the seven head

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coaches of color in the league, five have backgrounds in defense.
All right, So you're right about that one potential reason,
as you say, for the spancy of that defenses tend
to have more diverse players. And this is a reading
now I've got this statistical over here. In the past,
black players faced obstacles when it came to getting opportunities

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at quarterback, offensive line, and linebacker period end the story.

Speaker 3 (01:26:46):
Why, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:26:47):
And after the firings of these coaches in the National
Football League Drowd Mayo, Antonio Pierce, and the New York
Jets hiring of Aaron Glenn, the number of black head
coaches is five. Tom Bowles, Rahie Marris Demco, the Miko Ryans,
Mike Tomlin, and Glenn overall, there are seven head coaches
of color, five plus Dave Canalis and Mike McDaniel, and

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I guess that's progress. There was no more than three
black head coaches in the National Football League.

Speaker 3 (01:27:14):
From twenty nineteen to twenty twenty three.

Speaker 2 (01:27:16):
All Right, so we talk about that, and people are
gonna say, again, why do you care? I can't because,
as you mentioned, Bucky, most businesses like to hire what
they see.

Speaker 3 (01:27:27):
Is someone like themselves.

Speaker 2 (01:27:29):
Well, if there's seventy percent plus players in the league
of color, you would think players could relate more so
with a coach of color, and that's not the case.

Speaker 3 (01:27:40):
What happened to the Rooney rule? I don't get it.

Speaker 5 (01:27:45):
I mean, the Ruoney rules still exists, but they're workarounds,
like people will take the token interviews and just kind
of go through it. We saw what the Patriots were
doing when they interview guys who had been out of
work so they could kind of speed through the process
to get to hire Mike Rabel. You're going to have that.
Everyone needs to operate in good faith. But we have
seen in our country whatever without certain things put in

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place to force people to kind of expand their searches.
They'll always kind of go right back to their comfort zone.
But there is nothing that we can do to make
people hire who they hire. You can bring all the
candidates that you want, but ultimately, people are going to
hire who they want to hire.

Speaker 4 (01:28:28):
And at a time where we would like to.

Speaker 5 (01:28:30):
Think that in our country we can make decisions based
solely on merit and those things, we haven't consistently shown
that in our country we can do those things without
a level of bias and prejudice in those things. You
remain hopeful, you made optimistic that some day some of
these things will change. But yeah, you spin out the
facts about the lack of minorities in offensive coordinator positions

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doesn't really speak well to it growing. But I will
say this, the number of black quarterbacks that you see
on the field ultimately will lead to more black offensive
coordinators landing in the NFL.

Speaker 4 (01:29:10):
Those guys that are playing.

Speaker 5 (01:29:11):
In the league, not that they would choose to do
their life's work on the sideline, but the more that
you see quarterbacks play in the upper levels college and
in the pros is more likely that they're going to
go to their respective high schools and college programs and
eventually become quarterback coaches and offensive coordinators. So even though
it's bleak, now, I would say the future should be

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bright because the more that play the position, ultimately you'll
see more of those guys come back and end up
coaching those positions.

Speaker 3 (01:29:40):
Okay, but I will say this. You may hit on
something over there.

Speaker 2 (01:29:43):
You may be correct, but I will say this, the
quarterback more often than not and probably is the most
highly paid player on the team after retirement. I don't
know why a guy would want to go back into
that grind, not make much money and have the aggravation.
So I think that there's a good chance that quarterbacks
may have the opportunity to do a battle that they

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really want to do it. Why would you with all
that money you make and to do that kind of
work the long hours, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:30:11):
So what I'm saying is not on the front line.
But I'm also talking about the backup quarterbacks, because remember,
it took a long time before Blacks could be starting quarterbacks,
and even longer for there to be a comfort level
with Blacks being backup quarterbacks. More likely your head coaches
are backup quarterbacks. Let's look at Kevin O'Connell let's look

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at Kellen Moore recently fired Doug Peterson.

Speaker 4 (01:30:35):
They were backup quarterbacks in the league.

Speaker 5 (01:30:38):
And when you think about some of the guys that
are sending to these higher quarterback coach positions and coordinator positions,
they're guys that were backup quarterbacks, meaning they learned the game,
they played the game to a level, and now their
job is to teach the game to the next generation. Well,
as you begin to populate the NFL with more minority quarterbacks,

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some of those guys are not going to be QB one's.

Speaker 4 (01:31:00):
They could be QB twos.

Speaker 5 (01:31:02):
And those are the guys that will have the opportunity
to eventually saying to those top positions on the coaching ranks.

Speaker 2 (01:31:08):
Yeah, and I didn't know this, but since twenty twenty two,
the NFL has required every team to have at least
one offensive assistant coach who is a person of color
or a woman or both. It is a one year
position sponsored by the league. Again, I don't think a
guy should be hired or a woman should be hired
simply because the color of their skin. You got to

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be somewhat qualified to do so. I'm sure they are
qualified once they're hired. I have no problem with that,
and I do have a female on the Philadelphia Eagles
and assistant black coach, and she did not get the
recognition I thought she deserved because of the color of
her skin and winning the Super Bowl. It just went astray,
and I think one of the reasons being I think

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ownership is afraid that they're going to have to hire more.
I mean, am I wasting my time of my breath
talking about this? Is it's something that people the general
public doesn't care about Bucket Brooks.

Speaker 3 (01:32:00):
I think it's important. I think it's important.

Speaker 2 (01:32:02):
I think it's not fair, especially in the league that
is dominated by people of color.

Speaker 4 (01:32:08):
It is important.

Speaker 5 (01:32:09):
But I'm saying you have to remember in reality, in
the real world, there's been an erosion of all those programs.
You can't even put diversity, equity inclusion on websites without
facing retribution. You cannot mention some things in classrooms in
college campuses without being admonished by the government and entities

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around it. And so we're just in a different time
where all of these things are under attack, and it
impacts everything. It impacts not only like civilian life as
we'll call it, but it impacts sports because no one
wants to be jammed up, and those who are willing
to do it must be willing to stand up and
deal with the criticism and the constant attention that comes

(01:32:59):
with it. But you know, we're just in a weird
time where we're having these things kind of working counteractively
towards one another as opposed to working to support what
should be a situation where, look, we do want equity,
we do want equality, We do want everyone to get
a chance.

Speaker 4 (01:33:18):
We do want to eventually.

Speaker 5 (01:33:20):
Wipe away and have a color blind society where we
make decisions based on who does what. But you have
to level the playing field to give everyone opportunity before
you can make those decisions.

Speaker 2 (01:33:29):
And I will say this, I think the NBA does
a much better job than the NFL is hiring minorities,
especially looking on the benches of the NBA, And really,
the NBA is a dominated sport by the people of color,
it really is. You don't hear this argument. You don't
hear this argument in the NBA. But they don't have
a Rooney rule in the NBA. Why do they have
it in the National Football League where there are more
people of color playing than in the National Basketball Association.

(01:33:52):
It's obvious it's fifty three minute and a roster as
opposed to twelve to fifteen in the NBA.

Speaker 5 (01:33:58):
I mean, that's a good point, something that would deserve
like a deeper examination, like why you have certain things
happening in basketball that don't exist in football.

Speaker 4 (01:34:08):
Some of that has to do with union and union
base and union.

Speaker 5 (01:34:11):
Incentives and actions, and other has to do with, like
players and one sport.

Speaker 4 (01:34:18):
Sometimes you have one group.

Speaker 5 (01:34:21):
And I'll say this, like basketball likes to have former
players installed in those positions as coaches. I can't confidently
say that the NFL has always been about former players.
There's a stigma that goes with players sometimes in the
NFL as it comes to their work ethic or lack thereof,
or not being able to teach, or not being able

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to take what they did as players and translate it
as an instructor. All of those things kind of matter,
and all those teams kind of shape some of the
decisions that are made.

Speaker 2 (01:34:52):
Oh, you played in the NFL, you still work on
the NFL. You're involved with a team in the NFL
right now. Do you hear rumblings like this in locker
rooms or players say, you know, how come we don't
have more men of color women of color coaching us
right now?

Speaker 3 (01:35:08):
Is it a factor or they just go about their business.

Speaker 4 (01:35:11):
It depends. I mean, like it's an observation.

Speaker 5 (01:35:13):
I would say that the thing that normally opens up
everything is when you bring about former players of any race,
of any creat or whatever. If you just bring about
former players, what happens is former players tend to recreate
the locker rooms that they played in. So everyone went
crazy when Dan Campbell took over the Detroit Lions and

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he I think he had eight or nine former players
on staff. Well, naturally, when he had a bunch of
former players on staff, he had a very diverse room
and coaching staff. And that diversity was not only on race,
but of thought. And if you recreate some of those
things with former players being given those opportunities, you will
naturally have some of those things. And it doesn't mean

(01:35:57):
that every coach that's a former player is gonna be
black or whatever, but you're going to have a more
diverse coaching staff because it's going to reflect the locker
room and the way the locker room truly exists at
the NFL.

Speaker 3 (01:36:08):
Level, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:36:09):
In the New England Pages, Bill Belichick had his son
on the staff, Deon Sanders at Colorado. Probably has more
formal players on his staff than the most NFL teams.

Speaker 3 (01:36:19):
Think about that.

Speaker 4 (01:36:21):
I mean, he does have a lot.

Speaker 5 (01:36:22):
He does believe in the pro experience, so and talking
to coach from about that, he believes he sees the
game from a pro viewpoint, So you wanted people around
him that also viewed the game from a pro vantage point,
which is why he has so many former pros, not
only players, but coaches on that staff because they were
trying to create a like vision and speak the same

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language in those moments.

Speaker 3 (01:36:44):
Interesting, it really is.

Speaker 2 (01:36:45):
Okay, I tell you what, I'm going to give out
the phone up because I think that this is a
topic that should be discussed rather than ignored, and it
has been ignored, and you know, I think that we
brought it to the forefront. We'll see if anybody else
agrees or disagrees that it may be. We have x
ax account with Bucky Brooks at Bucky Brooks at Andy
Furman FSL. We'll read them, retweet them or Betty at
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That's next. It's come by time. That's coming right up.
He's Bucky Brooks. I'm Andy Firmanway on Fox Sports Sunday

(01:37:50):
on Fox Sports Ready, and we live from the tire
Rack dot Com studios. Bucky, we got a caller and
maybe this diversity conversation was too tough.

Speaker 3 (01:37:59):
Maybe too it's difficult for people to digest.

Speaker 2 (01:38:01):
I don't know, but George from Missouri wants to talk
to Bucky Brooks riding on Fox Bus Radio.

Speaker 10 (01:38:06):
Oh, George, Hi, guys, I was just letting you know, Yeah,
the race based hiring, the race based interviewing just doesn't
make sense. I don't even get how that's. The Rooney
rule in itself isn't even we don't get how that's
not even a racist thing. You could just hire and
interview people based on merit, based on how good they're

(01:38:27):
going to be, not just the color of their skins.

Speaker 5 (01:38:31):
Okay, Well, part of the reason that they enacted the
rule because people of color weren't getting interviews and that
it like, so that's part of why they enacted the
Rooney rule. If there were things where you felt like
everyone was getting the opportunity to interview, then you wouldn't
have to enact these policies. So when we talk about

(01:38:51):
racism and reverse racism where minorities are given opportunities or whatever,
they're not given jobs, we're talking about simply having mandated
where you have to interview them to see if they
can qualify for jobs. But it's always this assumption that
those who are minority are not qualified for these positions
when they get them, and that is not the case

(01:39:13):
because we've seen not only minorities failed in those positions,
we've seen an overwhelming majority if a white's fell in positions.
The positions are hard in itself, but what you're trying
to do is grant opportunities to those to at least
interview and see, maybe this person who I normally wouldn't interview,
if this person offers something that I hadn't thought about
when it comes to running my team or running a

(01:39:35):
certain side of the ball.

Speaker 10 (01:39:37):
Right, Yeah, it just seems like owners. I think it's
a joke. They think the run rule is a joke.
They're just doing it just to fill a coat. So
don't get slapped by the NFL knowing that they're giving
interviews out to people that truly aren't going to provide
what they want, and they're not the people that actually
want the first place. So it's kind of a pointless,
useless thing.

Speaker 2 (01:39:57):
Not really, I'll tell you what, because you say it's
a joll. If it was a joke, then some teams
will not create the initiatives of their own. The Tampa
Bay Buccaneers have started a coaching academy back in twenty
twenty three. During the offseason. Twenty five finalists are brought
in and they're there for a week of on field
working classroom sessions. So basically they don't think it's a
joke because afterwards five are selected for the Diversity Fellowship

(01:40:21):
during training camp. So teams not only not think as
a joke, they're doing something about it to create opportunities
for people who really and truly want to.

Speaker 3 (01:40:30):
Work in the National Football League, So it's not a joke.

Speaker 5 (01:40:34):
Well, but not only that, like the biggest beneficiators of
these initiatives are typically white.

Speaker 4 (01:40:39):
Women and those things.

Speaker 5 (01:40:40):
So when you look at the women that are populating
the fields and filling these roles, most of them are
not people of color.

Speaker 4 (01:40:47):
Most of them are white women who are.

Speaker 5 (01:40:49):
Benefiting from the initiatives because the initiatives include all minorities,
and women would be included in the minority phase and
not just women of color. And so these are initiatives
that are designed to level out the playing field. So
you populate your organization with people that reflect the country.

(01:41:10):
And so in a very diverse country, you're trying to
have organizations that reflect that, particularly when you're the National
Football League and you're trying to appeal to all fans,
not just one segment of fandom in.

Speaker 2 (01:41:21):
America, all right, with that we move on because the
Combine begins on Thursday, which is the twenty seventh of February,
runs to March.

Speaker 3 (01:41:29):
The second look, you played.

Speaker 2 (01:41:32):
In the National Football League, and you could explain better
than anybody else pose you were involved in. What exactly
is the combine, what does it prove? And what if
you don't attend and you must you get invited to go.
I want of all these factors about the combine. People
go crazy turning on the TV to see guys running
around in their underwear.

Speaker 3 (01:41:50):
I don't get it. You got to help me out here,
Bucket Brooks.

Speaker 5 (01:41:54):
So the Combine is basically a four or five day
interview for all of these NFL whole They are about
three hundred and thirty prospects that are invited to Indianapolis.
They go through a series of testing, medical interviews, and
on field testing in front of probably about eight hundred
NFL evaluators of NFL personnel and NFL personnel will use

(01:42:16):
those i would say auditions or interviews to kind of
help them fill out their scouting reports and further assess
whether certain guys are perfect fits for their teams and
where they stack on the draft boards. For the players,
this is what you've been working for. This is kind
of selling yourself, not only off the field, but on

(01:42:38):
the field to a team a perspective team that you're
good enough to play in the league and you're good
enough to help a team.

Speaker 4 (01:42:44):
For the teams, it's really.

Speaker 5 (01:42:46):
One of the only opportunities you get a chance to
sit down with young people that you're considering bringing into
your organization and you're trying to assess their character. You're
trying to assess their medical history and those things, and
you're trying to project out how they would play in
your organization for the long call. So it's a really
important event. It's an event that has become a crazed

(01:43:08):
event because you have so many people who are fascinated
by the draft.

Speaker 4 (01:43:11):
I will say that.

Speaker 5 (01:43:12):
Fantasy football has encouraged a legional fans that they are
capable of doing the gentlemen a job better than some
of the gms.

Speaker 4 (01:43:20):
That are in the league.

Speaker 5 (01:43:21):
And so it kind of brings about all of those
things that make it a very interesting event and one
that has really drawn a lot of intrigue in all
kinds of circles.

Speaker 3 (01:43:31):
Is you play invitation only for players?

Speaker 4 (01:43:33):
Yeah, for players it is by invitation.

Speaker 5 (01:43:36):
There's a committee that comes together and they determine which
guys are worthy, which guys have grades high enough to
come to the event, what positions they are going to
be evaluated in in those things.

Speaker 4 (01:43:48):
But yeah, it is done by a panel.

Speaker 2 (01:43:50):
Okay, what if you get an invitation and you decide
not to go because it may hurt you as far
as it's drafted. I mean, you know you're going to
be right up there, maybe a first round, early second
round there, and say I could only hurt myself by going.

Speaker 3 (01:44:02):
What if I don't go?

Speaker 5 (01:44:04):
Well, now, because there's a changing tide in terms of
the way that players are going about it, like the
player empowerment empowerment movement has changed a little bit about
the way the combine operates.

Speaker 4 (01:44:16):
If I'm a h a top player.

Speaker 5 (01:44:18):
We just use Marvin Harrison Junior as an example, I
can come to the combine, I can do all the interviews,
and I can decline participating in all the other stuff,
whether it's the medical, whether it's the running, the testing
and all that. I can do that, and then I
could leave it up to the teams to determine whether
they want to pick me or not. Kavin Williams also
took that test, and you'll see more guys, more top

(01:44:39):
guys take that. Yeah, I'm not doing the medical I'm
not running around. I'll meet with you, but I'm not
doing much beyond that, and that's their right. And then
teams have to make a hard decision on whether they're
okay with that or they're not okay with that. Do
they believe in the player and they're willing to look
past their.

Speaker 4 (01:44:56):
Decision to decline invitations.

Speaker 5 (01:44:59):
Or are they to focus on guys who do all
of the stuff there so they can have a full
battery of information to be able to make a true assessment.
That's on the teams, but you will see more players
opt to date that kind of approach, and it's going
to be fascinating to see how teams approach those guys
who declined to work out, declined to interview and do
all the medical stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:45:20):
So what I'm hearing that if you're a top prospect,
the combine could only hurt you, not really help you.

Speaker 3 (01:45:27):
It could hurt you.

Speaker 4 (01:45:29):
I mean I wouldn't say that it can hurt you.

Speaker 5 (01:45:31):
I would say that if you're a top prospect, they
ultimately have to wait, the risk and rewards in terms
of what are the rewards of me doing all of
these things? How much can I enhance my status on
draft boards across the league? Is it worth putting myself
out there where I could potentially get hurt doing a workout,
I could suffer an injury that impacts my long term

(01:45:55):
potential in those things? Is it worth me going out
and participating that and potentially jeopardizing my status now? Or
do I need to check off a few more boxes
to convince the league that I'm worthy of being guitarp pick.
Those are decisions that players and their agents have to make.

Speaker 3 (01:46:11):
It make okay.

Speaker 2 (01:46:13):
What's the difference between the combine which is certainly from
Thursday totally the second of March, which would be a
week from Tuesday. What is the difference between that and
when they have these college pro days on campus? But
to me, that's a setup because of college Pro Day.
If I'm a quarterback, I'm bringing in my own receivers
out there my own campus'll right my own backyard. But

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what's the difference As far as a pro scout, we're
looking for a potential recruit or a potential player to draft.

Speaker 3 (01:46:41):
What is the difference there.

Speaker 4 (01:46:43):
But the main difference is at the Combine.

Speaker 5 (01:46:45):
Every team is in attendance, every team, all the decision makers,
all the hitvy hitters.

Speaker 4 (01:46:51):
You won't get a.

Speaker 5 (01:46:52):
Better attended NFL event than the Combine. When you're doing
a pro day, you may get a small fraction of
the people that were at the Combine to attend your
pro day. And you have to remember that all these
other pro days are going on simultaneously while you're doing yours,
so you're not the center of attention when it comes
to all of the decision makers. This is the one

(01:47:14):
opportunity that you get a chance to work out in
front of all thirty two teams. You get a chance
to work out in front of every general manager, every
VP of personnel, director of college scouting. All of that
happens in the building. Once you get outside of the Combine,
there are no guarantees that those guys are going to
come see you. So you're rolling the dice that I

(01:47:35):
won't get enough eyeballs on me if I decline working
out at the Combine and hold everything to my.

Speaker 2 (01:47:41):
Prodem Okay, so let me get this stract. I go
to the Combine. S Are you probably went to the
Combine correct out of North.

Speaker 4 (01:47:46):
Carolina nineteen ninety four.

Speaker 2 (01:47:47):
Yeah, okay, you go to the Combine and there's no
problem because you can pack your bags. You go out there,
you pay your own way, you pay your own freight
to go.

Speaker 4 (01:47:54):
No, they do everything. The NFL foots the bill for
all of that stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:47:58):
Okay, so you go there, you spend the time, at
four or five days, you do what you gotta do.
When you come home, right, and everybody's watching, all the
eyeballs are on you. The pro day basically, I guess
you have to have an agent, you know, writing or
calling the various teams say look, my guy, Bucky Brooks
is gonna be at North Carolina next Saturday. You may
want to come out there and watch them. That's and

(01:48:19):
you gotta hope that someone shows up.

Speaker 4 (01:48:20):
Right. No, it's different. So what happened at the Combine.

Speaker 5 (01:48:23):
They will make an announcement, They'll say, Bucky Brooks University
of North Carolina pro Day is whatever. Every school will
set their pro day and that date will be on
the calendar. And what happens is Scouts will mark their
calendars with those days, and normally in areas clusters, you'll
have guys go in succession. So for instance, I went

(01:48:45):
to North Carolina, So North Carolina will go on Tuesday,
then NC State will go on Wednesday, Duke will go
on Thursday. So the scouts will be able to kind
of roll through all of those major.

Speaker 4 (01:48:58):
Schools to be able to what they need to see
and get done.

Speaker 5 (01:49:01):
And so that entire week will be dedicated to those
schools in those areas East Carolina, Wake Forest and all that.
And so you will map out your schedule for the
spring based upon the popular dates for pro days and
which prospects do you need to see? And did I
see him at the combine? If I didn't see him
at the combine, does he have a high enough grade

(01:49:22):
to entice me to make the drive there? Or yeah,
his grade isn't high enough for me to go there.
We'll just get the numbers and I won't worry about
getting the up close and personal eyeball look see on
the player.

Speaker 2 (01:49:35):
Do players get a chance to see the results of
their combined scores?

Speaker 5 (01:49:40):
Yes, like all this stuff is all this stuff is, Yeah,
it is available for him. Like everyone will know now
with the NFL Network and NFL Media being a part
of it, they know what they have in terms of
how fast they run, how high they jump, all of
those other things. The thing that they won't know is
what teams think about them in terms of watching their
positional drill and those things. The other thing that they

(01:50:02):
won't know the times that show up on NFL dot com.
In those things, those are what we call like official numbers, right,
So those are numbers that may be electronic time. The
times that the people have in the stands, those are
handheld times.

Speaker 4 (01:50:18):
So those times may be a little faster.

Speaker 5 (01:50:20):
So on TV, if you hear them utter a such
and such ran a four to four, more likely they
ran a little faster.

Speaker 4 (01:50:28):
Than that, depending on the watch.

Speaker 5 (01:50:30):
Normally, the electronic times that are used the official times
are probably about anywhere from zero point eight to point
oh five slower than what we would normally get on
a handheld And so what teams do is they tend
to take their own time. So when you're at the
combine end and they have the official timing, when I'm
in the stands.

Speaker 4 (01:50:50):
Working for let's just say the Jaguars, I clock it.

Speaker 5 (01:50:53):
I write it down because when I go on the
pro day, I don't have the luxury of using the
electronic time. But my time and my timing is consistent
because I'm always traveling with my watch, and so over time,
my four to four in Indy is gonna match the
same four or four to five that is clocked at
East Carolina or whatever.

Speaker 4 (01:51:14):
So all of those things matter.

Speaker 5 (01:51:15):
And by rule, the NFL team takes the best time.

Speaker 4 (01:51:19):
That you record anywhere. So whether it's at.

Speaker 5 (01:51:21):
The Combine, your Pro day, somewhere else in a private workout,
the best measurement, the best time that you put down,
that is the one that registers on your draft card.

Speaker 2 (01:51:30):
Okay, And I've always run an impression that the Cincinnati
Bengals have a smaller or one of the smallest scouting
staffs in the league. Now, when you go to the Combine,
do certain teams have a larger contingent of scouts there
than others?

Speaker 5 (01:51:44):
Yeah, I mean there's some teams that have large scouting staffs.
There's some teams that prefer small staff It just depends.
The Cincinnati Bengals were always one of those that had
a smaller staff. And they had a smaller staff because, look,
they subscribed to a service. There were two services, Blessedo
and National, and they used to operate on the fact
that we're paying for that, Why do we need to
hire all of these other scouts? And they would have

(01:52:06):
their coaches Back in the day when Marvin Lewis and
those guys were going, all the coaches would go out
and do the scouting and do that with a handful
of other guys helping them along the way.

Speaker 4 (01:52:15):
They've grown since.

Speaker 5 (01:52:16):
Then, but they still don't employ a huge scouting staff. Yeah,
but you have different people the different philosophies. It's just
like business. Some people choose to operate with a very
robust staff. Some people keep it streamlined and small and tight.
Just that it depends on your overall philosophy on how
you want to run your business.

Speaker 2 (01:52:33):
Okay, Last, but not least, Okay, you wrote something very
creative this week on Fox Sports. I looked at the
Fox Sports when this year. I think you wrote about
a quarterback pass Russia or Unicorn. Okay, shoulduor Sanders obviously,
Miami's cam Ward Penn State's Abdul Carter and Colorados Travis Hunter.
I guess Travis Hunter's the unicorn could go both ways. Okay,
and Tennessee looks like they're going to have the first
pick unless they trade over there. So what is your

(01:52:57):
suggestion for Tennessee. Because the unicorn Travis Hunter could play
both ways, where would he play?

Speaker 3 (01:53:03):
And who do you think Tennessee picks?

Speaker 5 (01:53:07):
You know, in doing that, when we talk about number
one pick, you should be able to close your eyes
and envision this guy eventually walk into the Hall of Fame.
That's the standard that you should have for the position.
That's the standard for the number one overall picks.

Speaker 4 (01:53:21):
They should be.

Speaker 5 (01:53:21):
Guys that you can see them eventually becoming Hall of
Fame type players. When we talk about the four guys
that could be in consideration, cam Ward Shawdur Sanders, Abdul Carter,
and Travis Hunter in any order, which of those guys
exhibit those traits? All of them are kind of guys
that maybe in the right system, maybe those things can happen.
Shader Sanders is a prototypical quarterback, great talent when it

(01:53:45):
comes to operating in the system. He is the traditional
classic quarterback that's played in the league forever. He holds
onto the ball a long time, He's taken sacks, but
he's also helped to programs turn around from being dormant
to being really really good under his direction in Jackson
State and Colorado. Kem Ward is super talented, great tool

(01:54:06):
side on through or big time arm talent, a gun
slinger with a fearless mentality, alpha dog leader, but he
is so aggressive that his decisions can get him into trouble,
particularly down in the red zone. So can you curb
some of that out of him? A dual Carter dominant
pass rush of great athleticism, natural just finding his way
as a pass rusher, but he has the tools to

(01:54:27):
be a dominant player. Not quite the transcendent generational talent
that people are talking about, but he is really good,
really impactful, and at that position. Man past rush ability
is covered at a premium. Travis Hunter is terrific because
he has great ball skills wonder butlitnikoff as a wide receiver,
but is better positioned to probably be a cornerback in

(01:54:47):
the league. Vision, instincts, awareness, knack for taking.

Speaker 4 (01:54:50):
The ball away. He is really good. Of those guys.

Speaker 5 (01:54:54):
Look, I would say that people are talking about Travis Hunner,
but a dual Carter has those things.

Speaker 4 (01:54:58):
That lead to believe that he could be really, really
special in the league.

Speaker 5 (01:55:02):
The two quarterbacks can be really good and in the
right system, they could pop at a major level. Tennessee
has to make a decision on what do they want
and who they want to be.

Speaker 4 (01:55:10):
If they can field the quarterback elsewhere, then you.

Speaker 5 (01:55:13):
Take one of the position players and I would say
probably Abdual Carter Pats Rusher always over cornered when it
comes to the.

Speaker 2 (01:55:18):
Draft, Well said, obviously you want the questions to answer,
you go to Bucket Brooks. He's the man, he really is,
all right, I'm Andy Ferman.

Speaker 4 (01:55:25):
He is the man.

Speaker 2 (01:55:26):
He's Bucket Brooks, and the blame game is freaking next.
The blame game coming right up. He's Bucky Brooks. I'm
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all your fault. No, it's your fault.

Speaker 1 (01:55:51):
It is all your fault.

Speaker 3 (01:55:56):
Maybe it's everyone's fault. See the liar. That's why there's
the blame game game. Let's figure out who to blame.

Speaker 1 (01:56:04):
He's a blame game.

Speaker 2 (01:56:05):
He's Patty, our executive producing you. Let's do it, Patty,
Let's do it baby.

Speaker 9 (01:56:10):
All right, well, let's start this off with the blame game, guys.
The NBA All Star Game TV ratings went in the tank,
down thirteen percent.

Speaker 1 (01:56:20):
Guys, who do you blame? Andy?

Speaker 2 (01:56:23):
It's really easy to blame the commissioner of this spot
because everything travels uphill in business. It really does. If
a bank does poorly, it's the CEO of the president. Okay,
But at this point in time, I think it's the players.
I mean, with this load management to three point shots,
I just think they've changed the game and rude it
in the fans' eyes. And that's why the ratings are done.

(01:56:43):
Blaming the I'm blaming the players. I really am this time.

Speaker 4 (01:56:47):
Yeah, I blame the player. I actually blame everybody.

Speaker 5 (01:56:49):
Like style of play, players not playing load management, stars
not shooting up. Lebron didn't play. All those things makes
it's hard to watch. People tune in to watch the stars,
and when the stars don't participate and the stars aren't
playing at a high level, it doesn't work.

Speaker 9 (01:57:03):
All right, Well, that's the NBA side of things. We're
gonna go to the lady side of things. Guys, the
w NBA trading cards surpassed NBA counterparts in value.

Speaker 1 (01:57:13):
Who do you blame, Bucky?

Speaker 5 (01:57:16):
Look, I would blame the ladies in terms of they've
done a really good job of growing their product, and
of late the last few years, we've seen some stars
come into the league. People that talk about Kaitlyn Clark
and adew Reeves, but they've been so many other ladies
who've really done a great job of elevating the sports.
But it's Kelsey Plumb or you talk about Aja Wilson.
There are a lot of players that have really grown

(01:57:38):
and they've kind of struck the fan base.

Speaker 4 (01:57:40):
So yeah, I blame the players. You know.

Speaker 2 (01:57:43):
I'm not gonna say that the ladies game is a
better game than the men's game, but I think there's
more interest in the ladies game right now because I
think the public knows what they're going to get with
the men's game, with the WNBA, with the NBA. They
don't know what they're going to get with the women's game.
And I think Caitlyn Clark opened the door. Angel Reestoo
to some extent as well. They have a battle Royale

(01:58:06):
it's like the Larry Bird Magic thing. When Larry Bird
Magic played in the NBA, it was big. There was
a villain sort of speak, a hero sort to speak,
whatever it may be. WNB is attracted and they've done that.
And that's why the WNBA. It has nothing to do
with the game. I think it's the players within the game.

Speaker 9 (01:58:24):
All right, players within the game. Well, we're gonna go
to college football in this one, guys. So college football
is looking to expand playoffs for every reason, but making
it more competitive with the Big ten and the SEC
gettin sweet spots end quote Rob Parker, who you blameing Andy?

Speaker 2 (01:58:43):
Well, I think you got to blame the commissioners and
a big ten in the SEC. I mean yes, I
think the public wants to see it expand them because
they love college football. You know, they always say less
is more, more is better, more is better. That's why
the NFL's going to go to eighteen games. More is better.
But it's gonna be on They're a fear umbrella. That's
the key right there. You cannot have teams locked in.

(01:59:04):
You can't have fifty percent of the tournament decided by
a big ten in the SEC. Before the season even starts.
There's something wrong with that. But yeah, expand it. I
think it's good.

Speaker 5 (01:59:16):
Yeah, expanding it is good because you've got more teams
and it is a harder journey for the team to
get to the top.

Speaker 4 (01:59:22):
Whether we have the quota system in.

Speaker 5 (01:59:24):
Terms of the number of SEC and Big ten teams,
we can debate that, but I think expanding is only better.
It's just like high school. Hey, let's see the championship
teams run the gauntlet to become champs.

Speaker 9 (01:59:35):
All right, all right, Well final one for you guys.
We're seeing many major college football brand basketball coaches quitting
before their time. Who do you blame, Bucky?

Speaker 5 (01:59:48):
I blame the coaches because some of them are being
wimpy when it comes to it, there's a changing landscape.
They don't like how the landscape is Chames where the
players are empowered.

Speaker 4 (01:59:56):
They need to suck it up in coaching.

Speaker 2 (01:59:58):
You know, I hate to do this. I hate to
agree with Bucky Brooks, I really do. I love you
to death. I hate to agree, but I do agree
because the coaches they're afraid, they just can't adapt, and
they're afraid to adapt. And that's why I really respect
Bill Belichick. Here's a guy coming in from the NFL,
never coach college, right, and he's gonna have to deal
with the nil, all right, So.

Speaker 3 (02:00:19):
I play the coaches, all right.

Speaker 2 (02:00:21):
Countdown his next buck. You have a great week. We'll
see you next Sunday.

Speaker 3 (02:00:24):
Right here, a Fox

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