Aaron Torres & Jason Martin react to the Deebo Samuel Trade, Stafford Staying in LA, LeBron’s Face of the League Comments & MORE!

Aaron Torres and Jason Martin discuss Deebo Samuel being traded to the Washington Commanders, whether it moves the needle for Jayden Daniels & the team + what Matthew Stafford staying in LA means for the Giants, whether Aaron Rodgers is a fit or if the Giants should roll with drafting a young QB? Jason explains why the tush push needs to be banned & the guys debate whether or not if the Lakers are for real & MORE!  

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Jmart what's up, buddy? How you doing?

Speaker 3 (00:36):
I'm doing pretty well. It's been a been a pretty
good day. Been some really nice basketball this afternoon, been
some good stuff this evening. Ww Elimination Chamber was a
heck of a show, really new where all night long. Yeah,
I mean it was just a that's exactly what you
want out of a pro wrestling show. I'll leave it
at that. It's just that was a just a really

(00:58):
red hot show and a great out in Toronto. That
sets the stage for WrestleMania in Vegas coming up in April.
So tell us what forty nine days away. I'll tell
you what.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
Last time we talked wrestling on this show about twenty
minutes later, Luka Doncic got traded. Maybe the wrestling will
lead to an Aaron Rodgers signing with the Giants.

Speaker 3 (01:18):
Or no, it would have to be something bigger than that.
You have to be like Josh Allen maybe yeah, yeah,
because he went because he or like Patrick Mahomes because
he lost the Super Bowl this year, since Luca lost
in the NBA Finals getting traded, It'd have to be
something bigger than Aaron Rodgers to the Giants. No disrespect
intended to Aaron Rodgers with that comment.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
Josh Allen seen drinking one singular beer and he's completely
unplayable for the Buffalo Bills. Yeah, because that was basically
the Lucar.

Speaker 3 (01:47):
Justin Herbert apparently likes houkah. So now ye'ah being traded.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
Jim Harbaugh zero hookah policy with the Los Angeles Chargers.
So no, in all seriousness, it was a busy week
in the NFL. We are not anticipating anything crazy. That
is true, by the way we we it was it
was the first. It was actually February first, and uh,
you know, we were talking a little wrestled mania. That
was the night that coach cal Royal rumble yeah, and

(02:11):
we were talking, you know, coach cal returns to Arkansas
or to Kentucky.

Speaker 4 (02:15):
That feels like a pretty big story.

Speaker 2 (02:16):
Then at twelve twenty Eastern time, Luca Johnson just got trade.

Speaker 4 (02:20):
So what we'll be on them.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
We'll be on alert for potential NBA or NFL mega trades.
But let's start with what was actually a very busy
day in the NFL. And let's start with, uh, you
know the story that I think. Listen, it's been a
busy week in the NFL. The Matthew Stafford stuff broke yesterday.
We'll get to that here momentarily, but let's start with
the news of the day. It happened probably about three

(02:43):
four hours ago. I know VJ and Arnie talked about
it in the last show. But we do have a
little bit of a noteworthy move. Deebo Samuel is traded
from the San Francisco forty nine ers uh to the
Washington Commanders. Ultimately, I'll be real, it doesn't feel that
surprising me. Deebo Samuel kind of publicly demanded requested whatever

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a trade on Super Bowl Sunday.

Speaker 4 (03:08):
Kind of surprising only fifth round compensation.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
But I'll just be quick because I don't find it
that surprising he had demanded a trade San Francisco. I
think is kind of got to restructure some things as
they probably get set to pay brock perty here in
the next year or so, if not this offseason. But
Deebo Samuel is officially a Washington commander. Your first reaction, Jason.

Speaker 3 (03:31):
Martin, Yeah, I mean it's kind of similar to you.
It didn't really shock me too much. I mean, him
going to Washington is interesting because I believe at least
this was true two three years ago. I imagine it
still is. Tory Dandy is kind of the agent for
wide receivers, at least a certain class of wide receiver,
and I'm pretty sure he's also mclaurin's agent, or at

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least he was. He's the one that got McLaurin paid
in Washington originally. So now he's going to have potentially
two wide receiver clients in the same place, and that's
you know, that's something to keep in mind, I guess.
But more than anything, Debo, it just seemed like it's
time to run out in San Francisco. Kind of both ways.
I think they were probably tired of dealing with some

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of what he was bringing to the table, not on
the field, but just kind of the attitude. I think
might have soured them because he clearly wanted to move
on and so he probably wasn't the best to be
around this past year, and it was probably it was
his worst statistical year because he dealt with injuries and
he's he's a player that gets banged up quite a
bit because he plays very physically. But if you him healthy,
I mean, he's still quite a weapon, and he still

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proved that at times last season. Now he gets sent
to a team that is definitely in let's go win
right now kind of mode. They've gotten Jaden Daniels. They
want to surround him with as much talent as humanly
possible to maximize his rookie window, and this is the
best way to do it now. I don't think that
this fixes everything in terms of their wide receiver position

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and trying to get even more. I still think they'll
probably address sit in the draft, maybe they'll do a
little bit more even in free agency. But I think
it makes sense for both teams. I don't I think
his best days in San Francisco were behind him. I
don't think that either side was particularly enamored with the
other at this point, and you're right, I think that
some things are about to change in San Francisco to

(05:18):
try to pay the quarterback. And you know, that's why
I don't believe in windows. And I also believe that
you better maximize rookie contracts as best as you can,
because when the money comes calling all of a sudden,
a lot of the things that you had you're not
going to be able to keep. And I think that's
what we're seeing with San Francisco. It's very possible that
their last best shot was two years ago.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
And that's that's exactly where I was going to go here. Obviously,
the Washington angle is obviously very interesting. We know they're
coming off an NFC Championship Game appearance, we know what
the future is with Jayden Daniels, and I think we
all agree, hey, you know, you know, put a lot
of talent around that guy because he's special. And we'll
see what happens from there. And we'll get back to
Washington in a second. But I do want to go

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to the San Francisco side of things, because, like you said,
Deebo stats were down for a number of different reasons
this year.

Speaker 4 (06:06):
You know, he was banged up.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
You know, the offense once Brandon I you go, you know,
went out was not the same. But you know, this
has been kind of a conversation I think dating back
to Frankly, the night that they lost that second Super
Bowl in overtime to the to the Kansas City Chiefs
two seasons ago, was kind of you know, what was
going to be left of this team and really how much?

Speaker 4 (06:29):
How much really was left?

Speaker 2 (06:30):
Because you have Trent Williams, a guy who is obviously
as good as anybody in the league at his position,
but he is currently thirty six years old, going on
thirty seven in July, which is kind of crazy to
think about. George Kittle is getting closer, inching closer to
thirty five years old. Do you just like like, like,

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what do we think about San Francisco. I'm not surprised
at all, by the way, George Kittle is only thirty one,
so he isn't quite as old as I thought he was,
but wrong side of thirty Trent Williams closing it on
thirty eight, But just bigger picture, like like San Francisco,
where are we at? You know the rams Obviously we're
going to talk about Stafford in a minute, but Stafford
is back. You know, the Cardinals were obviously interesting this year,

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and I look at San Francisco and I still think
I think this is the first move of what I
think is obviously gonna be just kind of a reshuffling.
I'm not surprised by this, obviously, they drafted Ricky Piersoll
in the first round a year ago. But to me,
it just feels like they're kind of in between eras
where they still have some guys that are kind of

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in that last year or two that you know you
can get something out of them, but can you get
enough over a seventeen game regular season. But they're also
not in total rebuild. Ironically, what they kind of feel like,
honestly is like the Golden State Warriors, where it's like
they're not really they can't really go young because they
have just enough juice to kind of make it interesting.

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But they don't feel like the Eagle or even the
Lions either, even though I know the Lions lost earlier
than anticipating in the playoffs. That's just kind of the
vibe I have with San Francisco just feels like, even
with this move, they're kind of in the middle of
eros right now, if that makes sense.

Speaker 3 (08:11):
Yeah, I mean they kind of remind me of the
Rams from two years ago, similar to what you're saying. Yeah,
I definitely don't see them as the Eagles of the
Lions anymore. I see them more along the lines of
a team that still has some of the pieces that
you remember, but maybe pieces that are on the downside.
Like I think we've probably seen the best of George
Kittle at this point. Nick bos is still on the

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way up, but even Fred Warners had a little bit
of an up and down kind of scenario there. Now,
maybe their defense is going to get back to more
of a reasonable level, but it does. It just kind
of feels like they're kind of a second tier team.
There's still a team that can be dangerous. They're a
team that can beat you on any given Sunday, but
they're not a team that I look at the way

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that I did two years ago, where it felt like, man,
this could be a juggernaut if everything plays out correctly.
But again, in this league and in sports in general, like
just because you're supposed to be a juggernaut two years
ago doesn't mean you're going to be one two years
from then. And that's why when you get when you
get there, you've got to cash in. That's why the
Eagles cashing in this year was so big. It's why

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the Bengals not being able to close the deal a
few years ago when they made the Super Bowl against
that Rams team, that that was such a big deal
because yeah, they should have gotten back again, right Well
they haven't. They haven't even sniffed it as a matter
of fact since that point in time. So I think
that's I definitely do think that's part of it. But
the forty nine ers just seem like they seem like
a team that we're not going to be talking about

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that's really in the mix. They're kind of closer to
the Pittsburgh Steelers to me and kind of how I
see them as opposed to one of those kind of
more dynamic squads that feels very fresh and new.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
That's kind of an interesting comp of just like a
team that's just kind of there and kind of on
the right day, they can look really good, but you
can't really expect him for seventeen games. I actually like
that comp a lot very quickly. Is there anything else
to add on Washington? I mean, interesting piece. Like we said,
Deebo himself, by the way, we're talking about some of

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the older forty nine ers players. Deebo now a former
forty nine er, but he'll be twenty nine years old
this year, closing in on thirty. You know, he's taken
a lot of hit you know, I think it's worth noting.
And I know this is kind of nerding out a
little bit, but not only has he taken a ton
of hits.

Speaker 4 (10:25):
In the pros.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
Like you and I both watch a lot of SEC football,
and you go back to when he played at South Carolina,
he kind of played the exact same way at South
Carolina that he played in the NFL. So point being
is that he just turned twenty nine, so he'll be
thirty basically by the end of next season. Took a
lot of hits in college, has taken a lot of
hits in the pros. Again, I think it's a nice

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piece to add to Washington. But he's another one like
again makes sense for Washington. He is kind of a
nice piece to have alongside Terry mcclaur and alongside the
young quarterback. I don't know that he's like this crazy
needle mover is there anything from the Washington perspective that
you feel is like super important to add here.

Speaker 3 (11:06):
No, not really. I mean I think that they're still
going to need to do more. But it is a
good it's a good move because again, you're trying to
do everything you can think of to help out this
rookie quarterback stud and help out Tarry McLaurin along the way,
give him a little bit more space out there. And
so you bring in a guy that's ace at combat catches.

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He's a guy that seeks out the contact, that has
a lot of yards after catch potential. But because of that,
you do always have to worry about his durability. But
I think it's a risk it's probably worth taking. I mean,
it's a fifth round pick, Like who would you likely
to get in the fifth round? Sure that was going
to be as valuable to you in the short term
as Deebo Samuel and I would say, the answer is

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probably there isn't one, very.

Speaker 2 (11:52):
Fair Deebo Samuel, not yet officially, by the way, a
Washington commander. Just with the way the NFL calendar works,
new Year starts March twelfth, So while you can agree
in principle to deals, nothing becomes official until March twelfth,
which is obviously about a week and a half from now.
We're not anticipating any sort of Mark Williams type situation here,

(12:12):
but again, it'll be a few weeks before it's official.
Deebo Samuel traded to the Washington Commanders for a fifth
round pick. Fox Sports Radio Aeron Torres and Jason Martin
broadcasting live from the tire Rack dot com studios. We'll
come back when we do. We will kind of talk
about the quarterback carousel that really got rolling here over

(12:33):
the last couple of days. Matthew Stafford is officially staying
in Los Angeles. What does that mean for Aaron Rodgers,
What does it mean for the Giants? And frankly, what
does it mean maybe for the NFL Draft. We're gonna
discuss all that next. Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 2 (13:04):
Welcome back, everybody, Fox Sports Radio, Aeron Torres, Jason Martin
broadcasting live from the Tyreck dot Com studios. Jaymar I
was just telling Mary, you know, Usually the music leading
into the segment is like a little hint at what
we're gonna be talking about.

Speaker 3 (13:19):
Yeah, I don't think this one is.

Speaker 4 (13:20):
I was gonna say, you calling Aaron Rodgers?

Speaker 6 (13:23):
Saw from Mary Mack? You calling Uh, don't say his name.
We don't talk about Door, I don't play about Sady.

Speaker 4 (13:29):
Shador is my king. We're gonna talk about Shador.

Speaker 6 (13:31):
I am maybe a king. That's my husband, brother in law.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
I know yo well was in the world. Yeah, this
this got off the rails real quick. I I don't
even know.

Speaker 3 (13:39):
I'm I missed the first part of this conversation that.

Speaker 4 (13:43):
There was no part.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
I just I just said I don't know what the
dude looks like a lady is in reference to and
I said, is it Aaron Rodgers?

Speaker 4 (13:49):
Shadoor? And apparently Mary Mack and Shador have a have
a secret romance and secret you're my cousin.

Speaker 6 (13:56):
You know this?

Speaker 2 (13:57):
Okay, all right, So apparently her and Shador dating their
key being a very public on social media because I
follow both of you on Instagram, I haven't seen very much.

Speaker 6 (14:04):
Well, I deactivated my Instagram.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
Actually, well that's all okay, Wow, I guess you're keeping
a very secret.

Speaker 3 (14:09):
Wow.

Speaker 6 (14:10):
Okay, yeah, you just yeah, kind of put it online.

Speaker 4 (14:13):
Well, i'll tell you what.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
We'll give some thoughts on Shador in half a minute here, Mary,
because I will say the quarterback carousel this week, I
thought it really got spinning here over the last couple
of days, Jam Mart matt Stafford obviously on whatever day
it was it was Friday, re signed with with the
Los Angeles Rams really quickly. I want I find the

(14:35):
dominoes from Matthew Stafford much more interesting. Do you have
any takes on Are you surprised that Stafford re signed?
I mean to me, it felt to me the whole
time like a leverage play. It felt to me like
it didn't really make sense for either side. Are the
Rams really going with Aaron Rodgers? Is Matthew Stafford really

(14:56):
taking a bag to go to an inferior organization? So
I want to get the Rogers trickle down, the NFL
draft trickle down. But from your perspective, is there anything
surprising or even interesting from the Matthew Stafford returning to
Los Angeles perspective?

Speaker 3 (15:10):
No, I mean I think that it's what we thought
because it didn't make sense, Like we tried to lay out.
You know, maybe he could end up here or here,
But I mean, if it's not a contender, why would
he even play some of the storyline. It was just like,
I mean, who are the Rams gonna go and get
What are they gonna do that's gonna put them in
better shape? Stafford was not the problem for them last year.

(15:33):
I just think they wanted to find a way to
make it work the right way with the restructure and
all those kinds of things. And look, you often do
your due diligence. You look around, you're like, well, look,
maybe there is a better option out there. You find
out there's not. Okay. I don't know that that's what happened.
I don't know how serious the actual movement was, or
if it all was just a leverage play to get

(15:55):
him in the door for a little bit less money
to go ahead and figure it all out. It just
it turns out that kind of the way we talked
about it last week, where it sort of didn't make
much sense, we said this, this is because I remember
when it happened. You sent me the text and we're like,
this is kind of a big deal. I'm like, yeah,
it would be, But in my head. It's just like
why exactly or we have in this conversation, not us,

(16:17):
but like why is this a story? Why is this
a thing that's happening? And I think it kind of
wasn't a story. It kind of wasn't a thing that
was happening, and so it this is exactly the way
it should have ended.

Speaker 2 (16:28):
So with that, with the Los Angeles Rams now returning
Matthew Stafford, this was interesting to me. This came out
of Friday from Diana Rassini with Matthew Stafford returning to
the to the Los Angeles Rams. The New York Giants
are now shifting their interest to Aaron Rodgers. They've been
discussing it all week in Indie per sources. Now, I

(16:50):
actually think there's maybe let me let me ask you this, Okay,
So because I think the stories kind of go together.
Do you believe that this means that the Giants are
not in love with the options that could potentially be
there for them at number three at the quarterback position

(17:10):
That would obviously likely be Shador Sanders, but maybe cam Ward.
Do you think it means that they don't like the options?
Do you think it means that they think that quarterbacks
are going one to two off the board. What do
you think this means? Because I think you could look
at it as either one, they just don't like Shador
as an option, or two. I think you could also

(17:33):
sit there and say they kind of got burned last year.
We know that they inquired about trading up for the
number three pick, which they would have used to draft
Drake May it did not work out. And I think
it could also be, Hey, we're afraid the Browns actually
go quarterback at two, and then all of a sudden,
there's not really a quarterback on the board for us,
so we'd rather go veteran here. Which of the two?

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Have you thought about it from that angle? I mean,
because the Aaron Rodgers to the Giants thing I don't
think was something that was really out there until Diana
Rassidi put this out there. So to me, I'm just
interested if it is they don't like the quarterback options
or they're just afraid there's a chance that neither of
them will be there at number three.

Speaker 3 (18:12):
Overall, Yeah, I mean, I guess it could be the latter,
but I do think that there's also some some smoke
behind the idea of Abdulla Carter being one of those
first two picks, if not the number one overall pick,
then we'll see. It could certainly be Shador and cam Ward,
probably in reverse order one and two. It could be.
But I think the biggest thing is just we and

(18:35):
I think you know this too, or I feel like
you feel this way. There's no slam dunk here where
you just know that those two guys can't miss generational,
going to change your entire life and change your future.
As much as cam Ward is saying confident things, as
much as Shador Sanders says his success is going to
translate into the NFL, I hope it does as a

(18:56):
matter of fact. But there are definitely tiers of drafting
years when it comes to quarterbacks and you look at
those two guys and it's just like, yeah, somebody's gonna
get probably a solid player here. But I think that
there is there are more things to look at and say,
are we sure about those guys than top flight. This

(19:16):
is closer to the Kenny Pickett draft than it is
the Andrew Luck Robert Griffin the third draft, for example,
or just to throw one of them out there. So
I think that's probably more of it is if the
Giants thick, they can get Aaron Rodgers and he wants
to come in and just end his career in a
better position, then he goes back to the NFC. He's

(19:39):
got Molakue neighbors sitting there, and Brian Dabele was coaching
for his life this coming year. So maybe that's sort
of the calculus. And at the very least, at least
you're probably kicking the tires on that trying to figure
out what is our risk factor here, what are the
chances that one and two are going to be those
two quarterbacks? And then comes the drop off nobody wants

(20:02):
and this in a year where you have five guys,
This is a year where you've got too and then
you know you probably need to trade down for a
while if you still need to quarterback at that point
in time. So I think there's probably a couple of
different things going on, but one of them is I
just don't think you have a surefire franchise quarterback in
this draft that we just feel as comfortable with as

(20:25):
maybe we have in years past.

Speaker 2 (20:27):
Tell you what, I have a lot of thoughts on
what you said, and really more importantly, what the Aaron
Rodgers stuff potentially means for the New York Giants.

Speaker 4 (20:34):
Why I actually don't like it at all.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
We'll come back and explain that next Before we do, though,
first time this.

Speaker 4 (20:41):
Evening, do you want to get out of the news
desk Steve to say your what's trending?

Speaker 7 (20:44):
Well, we had quite a women's basketball matchup on Fox
TV tonight's and believe it or not, USC has been
UCLA four straight times, both times last year and both
times this season. Notable because UCLA was the number one
ranked win men's basketball team in the country for most
of this season. They just finished the regular season twenty

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seven and two with both losses to SC lost at
home at Paul Pavilion tonight to the women of Troy
eighty to sixty seven. Juju Watkins, who could be National
Player of the Year, had thirty points. SC finishes first
in the Big Ten. There are a couple of late
night games of note in men's college hoops under twelve
minutes to go. At number twenty three, Saint Mary's a

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team that's trying to go to seventeen and one in
the West Coast Conference. It only leads Oregon State fifty
to forty seven again under twelve minutes left, and its
early second half at number twenty five BYU Cougar's ahead
of West Virginia thirty seven twenty four. Ninth ranked Iowa
State has beaten Arizona eighty four to sixty seven. Other
wins in the top ten for Duke and Florida for

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Houston and Texas Tech seventh thranks. Saint John's all over
Seaton Hall seventy one sixty one was the final, but
Saint John's clinches its first outright regular season Big East
title since nineteen eighty five. Ten matchup at Tennessee went
to the balls against Alabama seventy nine seventy six on
a three pointer at the buzzer and number one Auburn

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one again twenty seven and two record after winning at
Kentucky today ninety four seventy eight. In fact, Auburn led
early nineteen to six. Vanderbilt at home tonight got an
overtime win against fourteenth rank Missouri ninety seven to ninety three.
In the NHL, we had the outdoor game in Columbus
at Ohio State. Columbus a five to three winner over

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Detroit with two goals in the last two and a
half minutes. Attendance was ninety four thousand. Philadelphia won in
a shootout at Winnipeg, two to one victories for Edmonton
and Saint Louis. The San Francisco forty nine Ers will
trade wide receiver Deebo Samuel to Washington for a fifth rounder.
In the late NBA game at Philadelphia, Philly ended a
nine game losing streak, beating Golden State one twenty six

(22:49):
to one nineteen as Quenton Grimes scored forty four points.
It was announced yesterday that Joel Embiid will miss the
rest of the season for Philly due to his bad knee.
He had a series of tests this past week. He's
been deemed medically unable to play. This is a guy
who is League MVP. Just two years ago, the seven
footer turned thirty one or will in a couple of weeks.
In his NBA career, he's averaged twenty eight points eleven

(23:12):
rebounds a game. But this season and being played only
nineteen games last season just thirty nine games less than half.
The seventy six ers first rounder this year, by the way,
is top six protected and they're just about one of
the six worst teams in the league right now. If
it's not in top six, it's not protected, and the
pick's gonna go to Oklahoma City.

Speaker 4 (23:32):
Back to you, Thank you very.

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across the country. Let's see here, Harry James Taylor says,
listening in as I tune in turn in for the night.
So Harry, you know, we hope you're having a great
evening and you get to bed safely. Jason, one of
our loyal listeners, says, what a crazy hour of sports
and entertainment Eer tourist Jason Martin will.

Speaker 4 (24:23):
Wrap it up.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
Hello family, Hello, Jason. Also, Jason is tweeting back and
forth with Mary Mack. All Right, so Aaron Rodgers, New
York Giants plus what does it mean for the NFL Draft? So,
first of all, I tend to agree with you, Jason.
I was filling in for Gottlieb yesterday. We had Mark Dominic,
former NFL GM.

Speaker 4 (24:43):
On and he's.

Speaker 2 (24:45):
Great at what he does. This is not a criticism,
it's just an opinion. You know, he probably has a
more formed opinion than I do because he is in Indianapolis.
But he seemed to think that the Giants going after
a veteran quarterback. He believes that they got burned last year,
Drake May. You know they were trying to trade up
to draft Drake May. It doesn't happen. They end up
kind of on the outside looking in of that quarterback situation.

(25:06):
I guess they didn't like the guys that would have
been available to them. Whatever, I tend to agree with you.
I think it's certainly possible we get quarterback at one two.
But I don't think the Giants are looking at a
veteran for because of that. I think they're looking at
a veteran because they believe that's a better option. I
do disagree with them, though, And my thought on Aaron

(25:29):
Rodgers is, you know, I think you made a compelling
case for why it's actually a nice spot for Aaron Rodgers.
NFC is a little bit easier than the AFC. You know,
Elite neighbors is an emerging star. I kind of look
at it as the opposite though. You know, you look
at that division they were in last year with the Jets,
there were four very winnable games against the Patriots and

(25:49):
the Miami Dolphins. They had a last play schedule. It
didn't really click. Now, you could argue the NFC's weaker,
but the division's tough, as you know what. You know,
the Philadelphia Eagles are obviously Super Bowl champs. We know
about the Commanders. We talked about them. And I'll say
this too, like I think the Cowboys are a very
easy punching bag. They also are not quite as bad

(26:11):
as the record reflected. They didn't have Dak for probably
sixty five seventy percent of season, so tougher division, fewer
weapons than he had with the New York Jets, And
you know, I don't think it's gonna be good for him,
But I guess I look at it from the Giants
perspective of what is your ceiling with Aaron Rodgers?

Speaker 4 (26:29):
And is it enough for you to keep your job?

Speaker 3 (26:32):
Like that?

Speaker 4 (26:32):
That, to me is where it gets interesting.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
Is like in theory, Okay, Aaron Rodgers, he's an upgrade
over what we had, even if he's not the long
term answer. Well, to me, first of all, I don't
think it's gonna be significantly better, not with the team
that they have, you know, but even in a best
case scenario. I mean, first of all, I don't even
know what a best case scenario is. What is it
eight and nine, seven and ten. I don't think it's

(26:56):
some miracle, you know, twelve and five, thirteen and four season,
But even if you get to like eight and nine,
really I have kind of two questions about it, which
is one, is it enough for everybody to keep their jobs?

Speaker 4 (27:07):
I'm not sure that it is.

Speaker 3 (27:09):
Two.

Speaker 4 (27:10):
On top of that, now.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
You're not in a position to draft a quarterback again
next year, and you gotta roll with Aaron Rodgers again
the following year. So I just feel like you take
the young quarterback and then you kind of hope that
you're good enough and you kind of sell, Hey, you
know he's progressing, he's developing. Do you want to stunt
his growth by by, you know, by firing us after
one year? Kind of the Caleb William situation in Chicago.

(27:35):
So I just I don't. I'll just be honest, I
don't unless you're adamant that you don't believe one of
the two quarterbacks will be available to you at number three.
I just think you roll with the young guy, and
you hope you strike enough lightning in a bottle that
you can convince everybody that that quarterback is the long
term answer and that you are the long term answer
to coach him. I just the Aaron Rodgers thing just, frankly,

(27:57):
just doesn't make sense to me.

Speaker 3 (27:59):
Listen, I'm with you. I agree you said I've made
that other case, which I guess you're right, But I
agree with you when it comes to of the two.
I don't think Aaron Rodgers going to the Giants does
anything for the Giants. And it's not really even because
of the baggage or anything else. It's because he's an
old quarterback that doesn't have a ton of weapons in
a very difficult division, even if he is familiar with

(28:21):
that conference. I don't think you're gonna win there, And
for Aaron Rodgers, you're trying to find something that ends
your career. On a positive note, I think that's the
last place you want to go because I think that's
the Jets two point zero potentially worse. As a matter
of fact, I don't know where the right answer is,

(28:42):
where the right fit is if there is one for
Aaron Rodgers, but I would take the flyer on cam
wardershudor Sanders as well, assuming that they're there. I would
take the risk because if you don't get those guys,
I don't know that's the end of the world. Because
as you mention, you get Aaron Rodgers, there are you
gonna keep your job? I mean, probably not talk to

(29:04):
Robert Sola about it, like just to ask ask people
in the past how that's worked out. It's not gonna
be He's not gonna be your scapegoat. If you're Brian
Dabele and I'm not saying the table would be fighting
to get an Aaron Rodgers at this stage in New York.
But I think you go with one of those two guys,
one of those two rookies, the one that you like
the best that's there, I guess would probably be the option,

(29:26):
like whichever one is still sitting there, and you try
to build around that. Like those two guys have big
time pluses and some question marks, but you develop them.
That's what you're paid to do as a coach, is
to develop guys. I mean, you take scrubs, but you're
not taking a scrub. You're taking guys. We know we're
very good. Cam wod could have easily won the Heisman

(29:47):
and Shouldorg Sanders did some spectacular stuff. Are they gonna
have some things to work on shore, just like almost
any other rookie, But we already know Aaron Rodgers at
this point is a known commodity. What we saw in
New York is what he is, and there is some
good there. But is there enough good that that makes
sense as opposed to you being as bad as you

(30:09):
were last year? First off, he had no business winning
that game with Drew Locket quarterback. That puts you in
this position in the first place. You guys couldn't even
lose effectively, so that's why you're sitting in this spot.
But I one hundred percent agree with you that I
would much rather as a Giants fan or somebody making
decisions for them. I would rather have one of those

(30:30):
young guys to see what they have. I'd like to
see if maybe we do end up getting a really
special player at quarterback, as opposed to a guy that's
just trying to end his career really quickly.

Speaker 2 (30:41):
Again, Domino's falling. Adam Schefter reporting on Friday with Matthew
Stafford main with the Rams, the Las Vegas Raiders, which
I thought was always the best spot for Aaron Rodgers,
they seem to have no interest because they are, according
to Adam Schefter, expected to investigate quote veteran quarterbacks that
include Russell Wilson, Justin Donald, and Sam Donald.

Speaker 4 (31:03):
Uh do we do? We both agree Sam Donald is
the best of that group right there?

Speaker 3 (31:08):
For no, no, no, You know why, because I'm starting
to think the Sam Donald effect that we saw last year,
the Sam Donald to play really well effect, has a
lot more to do with the guys that he was
throwing to and the.

Speaker 4 (31:22):
Guy that was calling Chick a play call, play caller.
But I tend to agree with you.

Speaker 3 (31:28):
I I didn't even got Brock Bowers and he is
a stud and outside of that, I'm not sure I
can name a player on the on the Raiders receiving corps.
That's my division. I'm a Broncos fan, and I'm pretty
sure I can't name a name a wide receiver.

Speaker 4 (31:42):
Yeah no, I actually agree with you.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
Well I didn't even hear who do you think the
Raiders starting quarterbacks should come from?

Speaker 4 (31:50):
One of those three? You know, less than ideal options?

Speaker 3 (31:54):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (31:56):
That's and what about the Steelers here? I mean Steeler
If those guys me.

Speaker 3 (32:00):
I'd call Atlanta see if they want Kirk, see if
see if Kirk cousins can come to town. Ah, this
is just I mean, that's where we That's where we are.

Speaker 4 (32:08):
Man, this is so uninspiring.

Speaker 3 (32:11):
Daniel Jones is still sitting in Minnesota. Oh my god, Yeah,
this is where we are, man, Like this is this
is real.

Speaker 4 (32:19):
And it's why.

Speaker 2 (32:19):
And I think you and I talked about this, but
like I was of the belief, like when the Jets
stuff happened with Aaron Rodgers of like, oh, you're not
coming back. My first reaction was like, oh, and nobody's
gonna want Aaron Rodgers, Like why, Like if if you
can't make it work with the Jets, who stink? Who
kneed relevance and with all that talent, there's no spot

(32:41):
for you. And then I was like, wait a second,
there's two surefire first round quarterbacks in this draft, and
you just start doing the mental math of teams that
need the quarterbacks versus quarterbacks that are available, and it's like, oh,
Aaron Rodgers is actually going to have a spot if
he wants one. And it speaks to that because yeah,
sam Arnold, Russell Wilson, and Justin Fields.

Speaker 3 (33:03):
I'd probably go with Justin Fields of the three of them.

Speaker 4 (33:06):
I mean, Chip Kelly likes a running quarterbacks, so.

Speaker 3 (33:09):
Yeah, I mean, he's still got that dynamic speed and
he was able. I mean, look, he played on an
awful team in Chicago and still made some fun things happen.
I think that Russell Wilson with Brock Bauers and receiver A,
receiver B and receiver C. I'm not sure. I'm not
sure that's the answer. I certainly don't think Aaron Rodgers.
And man, you know what erin if you've just left

(33:30):
DeVante Adams where he was, I know, circle back. Yeah,
all right, it's not good man.

Speaker 2 (33:36):
Fox Sports Radio, Aeron Torres, Jason Martin Broadcasting live from
the tyreck dot Com Studios. Quarterback carousel. Officially, the quarterback
train just officially went off the tracks because we are
deep in the weeds on Sam Darnold versus Russell Wilson.

Speaker 4 (33:50):
That is a place that I don't even want to be.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
So I can't even imagine what it's like to be
a Raiders fan or a Giants fan. Right now, we
will come back. I'll throw a little curveball at you, Jason.
I want to talk about a pretty big story in
the NFL. Could we be seeing a major rule change?
And should we see a major rule change? We'll discuss
that next Fox Sports Tredy.

Speaker 4 (34:11):
Welcome back, everybody.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
Fox Sports Radio erratoris Jason Martin, broadcasting live from the
tire rack dot Com Studios. As I said, Mary Mack
usually gives us good music to lead into the segment
to discuss what we're discussing. So apparently now we're gonna
talk about the Saint Louis Cardinals bullpen for the rest
of the hour. Yeah, man, Saint Lunatics. Baby, all right?

(34:35):
What I do want to talk about? Jmart Okay, so
I don't I don't think I get like mad very
often and I don't know that I'm gonna get mad here,
but there's something that, in my opinion, is so freaking
stupid that it has to be called out for its stupidity.

(34:56):
And maybe you disagree, and I'm curious to actually to
hear your perspective. I I think this argument to ban
the tush push and the Green Bay Packers whining about
it is the dumbest, softest thing that I have ever
heard in my life.

Speaker 3 (35:13):
And let me explain.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
I guess I sort of understand if you're really making
the argument that it isn't safe.

Speaker 4 (35:20):
And da da da dah whatever.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
Okay, what I think is very obvious is that the
Philadelphia Eagles have perfected it. It's essentially unstoppable, and nobody
has figured out how to take advantage of this specific
situation quite like the Eagles. And by the way, you
know how I know it's because I saw Josh Allen

(35:41):
unable to pick up a first down on like twelve
straight fourth and one and third and one short yards
in the in the AFC playoffs. They clearly did not
know how to run that play. And so to me, Jason,
what this feels like arguing that we should eliminate the
tush push because the Eagles are too good at it.
And I know that's not really argument. Everyone's gonna claim, Oh,

(36:03):
it's not safe, it's not this, it's not that. It's
basically the equivalent, in my opinion, of Oh, Patrick Mahomes
can throw the ball sixty yards downfield on a diamond,
hit his receiver and stride. That's unfair. We need to
take out the sixty yard bomb. We need to make
that against the rules. If I said that, you'd say,
that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Well, essentially, that's

(36:26):
what we're saying about the Philadelphia Eagles, is that they
are so good at something that we have to eliminate
a rule from the rule book. I think it's stupid.
I think it's dumb. I hate the I don't really
care that we're having the discussion. I think it's just
a stupid discussion in general. Where do you stand on
the uh?

Speaker 3 (36:42):
I hope it gets banned. WHOA.

Speaker 4 (36:44):
I knew you were going to say that.

Speaker 3 (36:45):
Why because it's boring, Because it's bad for an entertainment standpoint,
Like every plays a game.

Speaker 4 (36:53):
It's not everything.

Speaker 3 (36:55):
Everything that you just said I agree with generally, but
I look at that and I'm just like, man, that's
off football, Like that's the argument about the sixty yard
like pinpoint pass and all this other kind of stuff,
like the toush push stuff is just annoying, Like it's
irritating to watch. Now, you're right, they've perfected it. But
I mean this has happened in sports before. I mean

(37:16):
when Tiger Woods was dominant they started doing what they started,
tigerproofing the courses for the entertainment value and because of
all the other things that went into it. Like I
look at this and I just say, I'd just rather
not see it. I am not entertained at all by it.
I hate the idea that essentially it's first to nine
for the Eagles every single time. And it's not really

(37:38):
a bias against them as much as it is. It's
the pushing of it that's the like go ahead and
quarterback sneak all you want. It's the other portion of
it that to me is just I just roll my
eyes out it all the time. It gives me an
easy reason to dislike Philadelphia, like just because they have
it in their bag. But like again, everything that you

(37:58):
said I generally agree with, Like your argument about the
Packers and all this. I just hope it gets banned
because I don't want to see it personally, Like, I'm
just I do not enjoy watching that in the midst
of a football game. That whole deal in the uh
was it the Packers game where they had the nose
the Commander's game or four times in a row like
that sets so stupid. I don't want to see that.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
Well, they well, it was only it was only so
many times because the Commanders kept jumping off sides.

Speaker 3 (38:25):
Yeah, I know, but because that's the only way you
could possibly stop it. Like again, that's just to me,
that's just bad from an entertainment standpoint. I don't want
to see that. May not be a great argument on
my part. I just I hate it, So I kind
of hope it gets banned.

Speaker 2 (38:38):
Yeah, and I hate to say it, but there's no
real argument to there's no real counter argument to my
argument of it's all like, like, there's no real counter
I can't come back and be like, well I disagree.

Speaker 4 (38:50):
It's like it is just your personal opinion. You just
don't like it.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
Yeah, I just I sit there and say it is
a strategic advantage. It isn't perfect, but it's two three,
four plays a game. Now it sucks that you know,
you get third and two and it's basically a rap,
it's an automatic first down. But I also think the
counter to that is, don't let Philadelphia get in third
and two situations and it won't be an issue. And
I think the other thing too is it's clear, based

(39:14):
on what I saw with Josh Allen and the Bills
against the Chiefs, that that not everybody has perfected. So
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Speaker 4 (39:24):
Will come back.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
Lebron, James says, be in the face of the league,
the face of the NBA.

Speaker 4 (39:31):
It's stupid and nobody should want it.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
Do we agree? Do we disagree? Is Lebron being soft?
Like all these teams complain about the touch push?

Speaker 4 (39:40):
That's next? Fox Sports at you.

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Speaker 4 (40:17):
Jaymart.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
We talked a lot by the way football in our
one the Stafford News. What does it mean for Aaron
Rodgers combine. We'll revisit football in just a little bit.

Speaker 3 (40:27):
But it was.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
Certainly a busy week in the NBA hot take discourse
culture this week. Really it started listen, we don't have
to play the Channing Fry sound. Let me even backtrack.
I think it really started with Anthony Edwards basically saying
I don't want to be the face of the league.

(40:48):
You know, you know, he basically said it all Star weekend. Hey,
you know, that's Victor's job. I'll let Victor woman y'ama
handle that. Then from there Channing Fry had had actually
a very interesting sound, and maybe we do play that
a little bit later where he basically said that the
NBA is to beholden to nostalgia. In other words, basically like,
you know, we can't celebrate the current players because of

(41:13):
the fact that we're still stuck on what Michael Jordan
did forty years ago, what Lebron or what Kobe did,
you know, fifteen years ago, and we just need to
celebrate the current players for what they are. And I
think Channing Fry actually brought up some pretty interesting points
about the rules and how you know, it's the same sport,
but it's not really the same sports. So that was
where the discourse started, but I certainly think Lebron did

(41:37):
take it to another level. After the Lakers win on
Thursday night against the Minnesota Timberwolves, Lebron was asked about
just the really you know Channing Fry's comments Anthony Edwards
saying he didn't want to be the face of the league.
Of course, the Lakers had just played the Minnesota Timberwolves.
Here is what he had to say, Mary Mack play
the sound.

Speaker 8 (41:57):
I mean, it's unfortunate, but like I know, when that,
why do you want to be the face of a
league when all the all the put all the people
that you know that cover our game and talk about
our game or the day to day based on everybody,
I mean, I have that responsibility. That's it's just weird.
It's weird energy from the people that.

Speaker 9 (42:16):
You know.

Speaker 8 (42:18):
I don't know, but it changing.

Speaker 3 (42:19):
He said it.

Speaker 8 (42:20):
He said it perfectly, couldn't set it no better, but
and said he don't want it. I didn't. I mean,
obviously I didn't ask for it, but Une there was
a responsibility for me not only to my family, my friends,
my community, and and and whoever that was gonna follow
my my my journey throughout my career, not only in
Ohio when I started there, but all all over America

(42:43):
and all over the world when.

Speaker 3 (42:44):
I traveled all over the world.

Speaker 8 (42:45):
So I've always taken that seriously and understand and understood
from the beginning what what being a professional.

Speaker 3 (42:53):
Was all about and being a role model was all about.

Speaker 8 (42:55):
So tried to hold that with the utmost uh respecting
and and honor, and but I feel I understand you
can not completely understand.

Speaker 3 (43:07):
This is weird energy.

Speaker 8 (43:08):
You learn it comes to it.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
That was Lebron James on being the face of the League,
Anthony Edwards essentially saying that he did not want that responsibility. Jamar,
I'm gonna throw it to you in a second, but
let me say this is this is my personal opinion.

Speaker 3 (43:21):
Again.

Speaker 4 (43:21):
I want to give you the Florida kind of share
what you think.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
I think it's easy and I think it's low hanging
fruit for people in the media or for people in
our space to say, well, you know, I mean, you
get paid one hundred million dollars and uh, you know,
you you have generation of wealth and you're a billionaire,
and like, stop complaining.

Speaker 4 (43:42):
And it's like, to a degree, I do understand that.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
I also do want to defend Lebron James here a
little bit because the term that he used is there's
quote weird energy around the face of the league conversation,
and I actually happen to agree with him. I actually
happen to feel like, listen, we can pick apart Lebron
for whatever, Dad this and that, but he has been

(44:08):
the face of the league one and two.

Speaker 4 (44:12):
I do think.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
And by the way, this is not a new take
based on Lebron's thoughts. I have always thought.

Speaker 4 (44:18):
It is a weird, weird, weird.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
Way to cover sports to immediately the second Lebron does anything,
immediately either say well he did this, but MJ did that,
or well he did this so this means that he
must be better than MJ. Either way, It's just always

(44:42):
been weird to me that like the immediate default anytime
Lebron does anything is to compare him to a different
player from a different era that played a different position.
And let's be honest, most of the time it is negative.
Most of the time it's talking about how Lebron did this,
but MJ did that.

Speaker 4 (45:02):
And so I'll defend Lebron.

Speaker 2 (45:04):
I actually think what he said, the term he used
weird energy is pretty on point, and I actually, for
once in my life, kind of side with Lebron on
this one.

Speaker 3 (45:13):
Look, so do I one. As a matter of fact,
I understand why some people are going to try to
pick that apart, but I think they're wrong. I think
that and it's not just Lebron, but he's in the
unique position to say because it's it's attacked him more
than it's attacked anybody else. But there is something about
the NBA specifically that seems to bring this comparison and

(45:37):
this kind of critique on that doesn't happen in other sports.
You don't only see this in hockey. You don't really
see this in baseball. It's not like it's not like
Ronald Acunya goes out and has a great season it's like, yeah,
I mean, he's no Joe DiMaggio, Like that doesn't happen.
It's it's not a thing like there's no reason, like

(45:57):
it's okay for people to exist in their own space.
Most people do not bury Josh Allen because he's not
Joe Montana for example, and stuff like that, like he's
allowed to just be Josh Allen. And I think you
look at a guy like Josh Allen, I think that's
fairly comparable to Anthony Edwards for example, a guy that
you look at and say, man, that guy could be

(46:18):
the face of the league. That guy has all the
talent in the world. He jumps out of the gym
and look at the athleticism of Josh Allen, look at
his arm, all that kind of stuff. It's all there.
But in basketball it is you're always gonna be like
compared to Jordan, which is just strange, or it's gonna be, man,
you don't have the killer instinctive Kobe. It's like yeah,

(46:40):
but you like they're never allowed to live in their
own skin, Like none of these guys are allowed to
live in their own skin because they're immediately compared to
people from the past. And it is. I do think
it's unique to the NBA, though, Like it's not that
other sports aren't critiqued, it's they're not critiqued this way
this reg lily. Like in the NBA, Lebron James has

(47:03):
to be just beyond tired of never being able to
do it as well as Jordan did it in the
eyes of everybody. Like I'm a Jordan guy, right, Like,
it's always gonna be Jordan number one, Lebron number two
for me. Right, That's just always the way it's gonna be.
There's not anything Lebron can do at this point to
change that in me. I already know what I feel

(47:24):
about Lebron, But when I see Lebron, I'm like, I
don't sit there and say, well, I mean, he's not Jordan,
but I don't. I still look at Lebron James dropping
forty like he did on Thursday, and I'm just blown
away by his ability to still do that at his age,
and I'm so grateful I've gotten to watch his entire
NBA career. There's been a lot of things about Lebron
James I have not liked off the floor and sometimes

(47:46):
on the floor, but I've been privileged to watch this
dude's entire career, and he's lived up to every bit
of the hype that he had, which was unthinkable hype,
you know, because we knew who this dude was when
he was like a sophomore in high school and he's
on the front of Sports Illustrated long before you know,
he ever joined the NBA. So I look at it

(48:07):
from that, from that perspective, and I say the same thing,
like I understand what he's saying, and I also understand
he's defending Anthony Edwards, Like Anthony Edwards is not saying
I can't handle the pressure. He's saying I just don't
want it, because why would you like what exactly? And
Channing Fry. We don't have to play the audio, but
Channing Fry nailed it. It's just like, you're gonna get

(48:28):
trashed real well, you're gonna get trashed because the dudes
that you it's this weird hypothetical where well, he couldn't
beat Jordan in one on one, yeah, but they're not
gonna play. So why why is that always where we
go to? I think it's I think it's disrespectful when
it does a disservice to basketball as a whole in
the NBA game.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
You know what, I We're gonna get up the Channing
Fry sound in a second, because I do think it
adds even more context to it.

Speaker 4 (48:52):
Just pre give me a thumbs up when we have
it ready. And I I so I agree with everything.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
And you know when when I look at at Lebron's quotes,
is you know, first of all, I agree. And by
the way, like you go to the Anthony Edwards stuff,
it's like, in this world, you know, you can make
three hundred, four hundred and five hundred million dollars and
just be a really really really good player without that burden,

(49:18):
without that pressure, without that whatever. And so I'm totally
with you. Is I just think that Listen again, I
think it's gonna be easy to say, oh, you know,
blame Lebron. Oh, Lebron. He's always wanting, He's always this,
he's always that. But I've always thought the coverage was weird.
I've always thought, you know, that conversation was weird. And listen,

(49:38):
I understand like because Lebron said something to the effect of,
you know, and I think he tweeted this, like where's
the coverage of OKC worth cover this. I'll tell you
what before we get back to Lebron, I do think
it's worth noting he was responding in some ways to
some Channing Fry sound.

Speaker 4 (49:56):
Uh, you know, cover your ears because there's a lot
of expletives.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
But I thought Channing Fry kind of set up this
entire conversation with some very interesting comments earlier this week.

Speaker 10 (50:04):
Nostalgia is killing the NBA. That nineties basketball Michael Jordan
and Kobe was not as clean as y'all think it was.
Y'all forget that Jordan left the league for two years.
Y'all forget that Kobe rest in peace, quit on his
team in the playoffs and did not shoot the basketball.

(50:29):
So all this Kobe Jordan, oh, he's not this, he's
not that. That is propaganda every great player, whether that's
a wemby Ron, you know Steph.

Speaker 3 (50:41):
This that this that.

Speaker 9 (50:42):
You know they compare them to forty years ago. The
rules weren't even the same. You're not really watching help
side defense. Who's doing this? What is this rule? What
is that rule? You're not watching? Nobody celebrates these new people,
So why the would anybody wanna be the face of
this league? You're gonna get on on every network for

(51:06):
not being somebody from forty years ago. It's ridiculous. It
is unfair. Bron is one of the greatest players ever
to play. Stephen Curry is one of the greatest players
ever to play. Jannis is one of the great Jokic
and you know what we do, we talk about Michael
Jordan all this superstar era is over.

Speaker 10 (51:27):
The card cap called a second apron, it's over. Teams
are gonna take over.

Speaker 4 (51:32):
A lot there ja.

Speaker 3 (51:34):
Yeah, man, he's I gotta say, yeah, it's hard to
deny what he's saying is right, Like I mean for real,
and it is again, like I said, it's unique to
the NBA in this way, Like we're not talking about
Johnny Unitas on a regular basis. We know how good
he was. I mean, NBA players, NBA critiques even invoke

(51:54):
like Bill Russell and stuff like that when we're talking
about like what are we doing, like why are we
doing this? Like the NBA has plenty of problems, believe it,
if you listen to the show on a regular basis,
we make no bones about that. And we also make
no bones about the fact that we love the NBA
and we hate that it's found itself in this state
over this past handful of years. But I do think

(52:15):
that these arguments are landing, like these arguments are these
are blows that are striking, like these are some haymakers
coming from Channing for eye and what Lebron is saying,
all this stuff makes a lot of sense. Like at
some point, we gotta let Michael Jordan be retired, like
once that uh, once the documentary came out, we can

(52:35):
move on now, Like I think at this point, let's
go ahead and let the NBA. Let's let him off
the hook here. Let's go ahead and let the NBA
continue to exist post Michael Jordan where he isn't invoked
in every conversation. And look, there's a dude who used
to work on Fox on TV for several years that
pretty much made his salary by destroying Lebron James for

(52:57):
every good thing that he did, by backhanding it.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
No, and that to me, not just the MJ versus
Lebron thing. Let me ask you a question, like when
has it always been this way? Not just MJ versus Lebron,
but like, oh, we have to compare eras and we
have to be cause I don't remember it being this
way in like the nineties and early two thousands when
we all love the NBA. And maybe I'm totally wrong,

(53:22):
but you and I have talked about this. It's not
just the MJ versus Lebron, it's the.

Speaker 4 (53:27):
You know, well, you.

Speaker 2 (53:28):
Know now that Kad has won his this many he
moves into my number eight on my top ten players
all time list.

Speaker 4 (53:37):
And again, you can't compare eras period.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
By the way, JJ Reddicks doing a great job coaching
the Los Angeles Lakers, But when he said that Kyrie,
you know, Bob Coosey was playing against a bunch of
plumbers and firefighters. It's like it was the stupidest comment
ever at the time, because again you can't compare eras.
You could flip it the other way. Bob Kozy was
playing against plumbers and firefighters. He was also riding trains

(54:05):
to games, okay, like he was also wearing Chuck Taylor's
He also didn't have Charter jets, and so it's just
like it's always been stupid. But I don't I don't
feel like until probably really, I don't feel like until
the Lebron era that it was like this. I don't
feel like when Kobe and Shack were winning titles in
two thousand and one, it was like, well, that's great,

(54:28):
but how do Kobe and Shack compare to Russell and
Havelchek thirty? You know, It's like I don't remember that happening,
So I don't even know where I'm going. But that's
the part that drives me crazy. It's like where did
we Where did we decide that this is the way
that we have to cover basketball?

Speaker 3 (54:44):
Yeah, I don't know. I think one of the first
times that I remember ever hearing it was when Kevin
Durant was being compared to George Gervin. This was happening
like regularly, and as a thunderfan, I endured this over
and over and over again. And George Garvin's a little
bit before my time, the iceman, unbelievable scorer, and so
it's just like he's the best scorer I've seen since Gervin.

(55:05):
He might be one of the top six scoring scoring
players in NBA history. And also other kind of stuff's
like what why are we doing this? Like how often
like we don't even have to go back to like
Havlichak and stuff like that. But like how often are
we let's do an all time top twenty NFL quarterbacks
list to find out where Troy Aikman compares to Justin

(55:27):
Herbert or some like nonsense like that, Like it's just
like middle of the road guys from the nineties or
former champions or something like that. They get invoked in
all of this for some unknown reason. It's like that's
not the sport anymore. And it also this, it doesn't
happen in college basketball either. It only seems to happen

(55:47):
in the NBA, Like I'm not comparing game winners like well,
I mean, it wasn't Keith Smart in eighty seven for
Indiana over Syracuse or something like that, Like yeah, we
remember late in there's stuff, and we go ahead and
watch the highlights of some of these great games through
the years and all this stuff. But it's not like
we're comparing Cooper Jamal Mashack to Tyler Hansborough or something like.

(56:09):
There's no need to do any of that.

Speaker 2 (56:11):
Yeah, no, one's like, oh, Cooper Flag needs at least
two more wins before I could put his freshman season
ahead of Zion's. It's like, right, that doesn't exist, And
I think I'll just wrap on this too, is like
I just think you know, you brought up Josh Allen earlier,
and like any criticism of Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson
or whatever, it's compared to his contemporaries. That's the worst part, right, Yes,

(56:35):
And it's just I just I don't get it. And
again for people who are just joining us, we open
this segment Lebron James saying there's just weird energy around
the face of the league conversation, Anthony Edwards saying he
doesn't want it, and Lebron kind of siding with him.
And I'll tell you what, you know, it's not very
often on this show that we sided with Lebron James,
but I think he's dead, right. I hate this discourse.

(56:59):
As Jason said, let's let MJ stay retired. He's the legend.
And by the way, like, by the way, if at
the end of Lebron's career, like we want to have
the debate of like Lebron's career versus MJ's career, that's fine,
And I know we're a year or two away from
that happening, but it's like it just it feels weird

(57:19):
in the moment right now while it's still going on,
so anyway, Fox Sports Radio eron Tords Jason Martin, broadcasting
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the goat conversation, around the face of the NBA conversation.
Tell you what, it's a little weird energy around the
Lakers right now. They're playing well, but are we putting
them too much on a pedestal already? That's next.

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Radio is Countdown presented by BEDMGM every Saturday and Sunday,
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Speaker 4 (58:41):
What is training?

Speaker 7 (58:42):
Let's start with men's college basketball because for most teams
only one week left in the regular season. However, in
the West Coast Conference, they're ending things here this weekend,
including Gonzaga at San Francisco tonight now with Golden State
on the road this evening, San Francisco is using the
Warriors Place to host the Zags. Each team thirteen and
four in the West Coast Conference, Gonzaga now dominating sixty

(59:05):
to forty two early in the second half. The late
game at Hawaii has started with them hosting UC Davis.
But everything else nationwide is final. In college hoops, including
that game at Tennessee. Today, fifth rank Balls beat number
six Alabama on a three pointer at the buzzer seventy
nine seventy six, and it came right after a five
second call when Bama couldn't inbound in time. The Valls

(59:27):
had trailed by nine points with ten minutes to go.
Number one Auburn one at Kentucky ninety four to seventy eight.
Wins for Saint Mary's and BYU each at home tonight
and at women's basketball Number four usc to end its
regular season. One at number two UCLA eighty to sixty seven.
All American Juju Watkins thirty points in the NBA game

(59:47):
with Golden State at Philadelphia tonight. Philly beat him won
twenty six to one nineteen, ending the Warriors five game
winning streak. Steph Curry had twenty nine points thirteen assists.
Jimmy Butler, now with the Warriors, was out tonight with backspasms.
Starring for Philly Quinton Grimes forty four points. He was
eighteen of twenty four shooting from the floor. Philadelphia ends

(01:00:09):
a nine game losing streak. Road wins for Milwaukee and
for Sacramento. Detroit had won eight straight until Friday's lost
to Denver. Detroit won at home against Brooklyn, won fifteen
ninety four San Antonio edge, Memphis won thirty to one
twenty eight deeron Fox the game winning jumper, and Washington
won at Charlotte. Hornets have lost six straight one thirteen

(01:00:30):
one hundred the final. Washington entered with a record of
ten and forty eight. Donovan Mitchell of the Calves is
out Sunday due to rest. The Lakers, who won five straight,
will play the Clippers again on Sunday night. Austin Reeves
of the Lakers is doubtful with a stray calf. Among
the thirteen NHL games, Tonight won outdoors Columbus, Ohio the
Ohio State Football Stadium, so Columbus win with two goals

(01:00:54):
in the last two and a half minutes, five to
three over Detroit. Attendance was ninety four thousand. The San
Francis Go forty nine Ers will trade wide receiver Deebo
Samuel to Washington for a fifth rounder and a programming note.
The IndyCar season begins Sunday, with all seventeen races this
season now on Fox TV, even the Indy five hundred
in late May. IndyCar season ends in August. NASCAR is

(01:01:16):
also on Fox TV on Sunday. Tyler Redicker in the
poll at the road Course in Austin, Texas. NASCAR will
be on FS one after this weekend for six straight Sundays.
On the PGA tour there in Florida for four straight events.
Ricky Fowlers three back at Palm Beach. Live golf resumes
next week. That'll be in Hong Kong and in MLS

(01:01:36):
today Orlando four to two over Toronto, Philadelphia foro to
one over Cincinnati, and expansion San Diego with its home
opener ninety second minute scoreless against Saint Louis.

Speaker 4 (01:01:48):
Back to you, Thank you very much, Steve Seger.

Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
This is Fox Sports Radio, Fox Sports Sunday, Eric toors
Day Smart broadcasting live from the Tirereck dot Com studios
Sunday in these stern time zones, still Saturday in the
Central Mountain in Pacific j Mart So Disager just didn't
mention among his many notes in the update there. And
by the way, Desager will have his extended update here

(01:02:12):
about ten minutes from now. Lakers on a five game
win streak. Lakers beat the Timberwolves on Thursday night, Lakers
beat the Clippers on Friday night, and of course last Saturday,
right before we came on, they beat the Denver Nuggets,
a team that has been kind of a thorn in
their side. NBA media, Oh, they are ready for the

(01:02:33):
Lakers Renaissance. They're already planning the parade here in Los Angeles.
Are you a believer in the Los Angeles Lakers, which,
as Disager said, have won seven straight games or five
straight games, excuse me, and are now in third place
in the Western Conference standings.

Speaker 3 (01:02:51):
No, I'm not. Oh, at the very least, I'm not
to the extent that I'm seeing on TV all week,
Like it just seems like they go have that, they
go have a couple of games in a row where
Lucas smiling instead of looking like the most unhappy person
anyone's ever seen, which is kind of what you would
I was. I was gonna send you a message earlier
in the week and just be like, man, he just

(01:03:12):
doesn't look happy, does he? And then they started to win.
But then it's like they can win a championship this year.
They're contenders right now. Who can beat them? Look at
that if they stack up with the seventy four Celtics. No,
I'm kidding, Yeah, like all of this, all of this
stuff is out here. I'm like, can we slow down
for about five seconds? Remember how old Lebron James is?

(01:03:32):
His body Eventually it isn't as indestructible as it was
earlier in his career. I thought Luca was out of shape,
Like I thought that he was an injury risk waiting
to happen all of a sudden, are we playing defense now?
Like has all the have all the things that have changed,
they didn't do enough, Like, yes, you picked up Luka

(01:03:52):
Dancic and that is certainly gonna make you a better
basketball team. We agree on that side, but there's still
other things that needed to be done around this. And
it's not that I don't think there's any chance that
the Lakers can make some noise in the playoffs. And
you're right, and you said this earlier. Retick has done
a very nice job, but like, I think we need

(01:04:14):
to slow a role here just a little bit. This
feels like wish casting to me, coming from the media,
This feels like they desperately want this to happen, so
they are trying to will it into existence by the
way that they are talking about this, and it's kind
of it's just rubbed me the wrong way in that
it kind of feels embarrassing because it's just like, why

(01:04:34):
are we fawning all over this? Like it is March
the first let's wait and see this play out. There
are much better teams in the Western Conference than the
Los Angeles Lakers right now. Now we get to the playoffs,
we'll see. I have no idea. They certainly are better
right now than they were, But I just feel like

(01:04:55):
the adulation is unearned at this point.

Speaker 2 (01:04:58):
So I happen to totally and I think a couple
of things. One two things can be true is that
what Lebron is doing at forty years old, we all
understand is unbelievable. Okay, nobody is denying that, nobody is whatever.
But it's like, every single time the guy goes for third,
oh my goodness, do you people understand he's four and

(01:05:19):
eight years old. It's like, yeah, we get it, we
get it. And he's still one of the four or
five six best players on the planet.

Speaker 4 (01:05:24):
It's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:05:25):
My bigger issue is does he have the energy at
forty years old to basically bring it every single night
in four straight seven game series up boards of twenty
eight high leverage playoff games. And the history tells us
that he doesn't. And I understand, Oh, well, you have Luca,
Now that's what Luca's for. Well, he had Anthony Davis

(01:05:47):
before and it's like, it's not as though the team
was bereft of talent. And I just go back to
two years ago, and I don't know how much you
remember this, J Mark, but they they they they ended
up beating the Warriors in round two. They end up
making the Western Conference Finals. And Lebron every game would
go off in the first half and just run out

(01:06:09):
of gas in the second half. And that's not a knock,
that's not a tear down Lebron. That's he was thirty
eight at the time and now he's two years older.
And so I just I just like won, like I know,
we want to crown everybody everything, and JJ Reddick's the
best this and JJ Reddick's been awesome. I'm not gonna
try to diminish what he's done. Darvin Ham took them

(01:06:30):
to the Western Conference Finals two years ago. We're not
talking about Darvin Ham did this in twenty thirteen. It
was two seasons ago. What we are seeing is what
we saw two seasons ago, Okay, And on top of it,
we also saw that as the playoffs went on, Lebron
just wore down. And so I understand that's part of

(01:06:51):
why you have Luca, but it's not as though he
didn't have talent around him before. And then again, that
is on top of all of the other whole that
are there, specifically in the front court, where do you
just have the size and physicality to deal with Jokich
specifically who has given you all sorts of fits through
the years. That doesn't include Okac, which is young. You know,

(01:07:14):
obviously they got they you know, they're a year removed
from losing to Dallas, and I think kind of learning
some things. Memphis is back with John Morant, and I'm
not saying the Lakers can't do it, but I think,
to your point, until they actually do do it, can
we stop? And I think the word he use this
correct wish casting, like it's okay to say, like, wow,
they're may be a little bit better than we thought. Wow,

(01:07:36):
Luca maybe adds another dimension when he figures it all out.
But like this rush to just crown them is unbelievable.
By the way, how about this is just a perfect
example what I'm talking about.

Speaker 4 (01:07:46):
Last night.

Speaker 2 (01:07:47):
This was Friday night, so you know, two nights ago
depending on where you are, but they played the Clippers
at home, had played the Timberwolves the night before. They
end up beating the Clippers, who are a good but
not great team. They hold on. Oh, by the way,
Kawhi just returning from injury. So it's not as though
you got the best version of the Los Angeles Clippers

(01:08:08):
and you had to hold on a game after a
big win over Minnesota.

Speaker 4 (01:08:12):
So the point is they did it two nights in
a row.

Speaker 2 (01:08:14):
But is that something that you can consistently do for
four straight rounds? Because again, to your point, j Mart,
everybody's just putting them into the NBA Finals or you know,
setting up the trophy celebration. It's like, just just got
a lot of long steps ago. We got a lot
of steps to go.

Speaker 3 (01:08:33):
That's I'm trying. Yeah again, like this is this was
a good move for him. We know this. This is
why we all thought, Yeah, something's weird about this whole
trade things, why there's been video after I'm.

Speaker 4 (01:08:44):
Still ready to listen to conspiracy theories, but me.

Speaker 3 (01:08:46):
Too, I'm fascinated.

Speaker 4 (01:08:48):
Can I just jumped on that.

Speaker 3 (01:08:49):
The detailed people have put into it?

Speaker 4 (01:08:51):
Can I just jump in on that really quick?

Speaker 3 (01:08:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
I was telling somebody today, listen, I'm not a conspiracy
theory guy. And the more that I get into it,
the more I just think Nico Harrison is completely incompetent
at his job. But I will also say that in
what was it's just crazy that in what was the
least interesting NBA season of any of our lives, where

(01:09:15):
the biggest story was probably Bronnie James, all of a sudden,
a superstar in his prime gets traded to the Los
Angeles Lakers and now they're basically unbeatable and people think
they can win the championship. I'm just saying, I'm not
saying there's a conspiracy theory. I do think it's just
Nico Harrison doesn't know what he's doing. But I could
be talked into this more and more every day with
as well as the Lakers are playing with a guy

(01:09:36):
that clearly should not have been traded for the package
that he was traded for anyway, enough from Taurres.

Speaker 3 (01:09:40):
So yeah, no, I agree. I agree. Like I said,
I'm here for it, I'm here for all of it,
and a lot of it makes sense. And those are
the best conspiracy theories, the ones that actually, like you're saying, man,
you know what, that actually could happen. All that stuff
could happen, but the same token, like, we need to
let the season play out, but let's not. Let's not
try to will this into existence because they're actually going

(01:10:02):
to have to go win games, and they're gonna have
to win games against pretty good basketball teams, teams that
are experienced and more cohesive and have deeper rosters. So
we'll see. Like it was a good week for the
Los Angeles Lakers, and it was definitely a good week
for Luca because he started to look more like himself.
And I don't know exactly why he's me mugging his
own team, like his own former teammates that had nothing

(01:10:24):
to do with trading him, and they're probably said that
he's not there, but you know that's that's that's Luca
for you, right, Like maybe that's Nico, Like that's why
we got rid of him, man, because he's like that,
Like yeah, but he's also going to drop forty on
your nose. So it's a tough times in Dallas. I
was gonna mention this earlier, but since since we were
talking about Dallas for a second, the combine, so Brian

(01:10:49):
Schottenheimer brought his entire staff to the combine and I
was thinking to myself, I wonder if he's doing that
so that there are many people that can vouch for
the fact that he is at actually the head coach
of the Dallas Cowboys. Like he's got like ten to
fifteen guys around him. Yep, that's the coach. That's the one,
that guy right there. Yeah, he's the head coach of
the Cowboys. Because I'm not sure that he would be

(01:11:10):
recognized outside of that, Like I think there'd be some
that would say he must be a coordinator. I mean,
where's Jerry Jones. Isn't he the coach?

Speaker 2 (01:11:17):
He looks like a coordinator that doesn't call plays. Oh,
that's actually the head coach. Now, I did see him
at a press conference. It will be quick ause we
gotta get to this sacred I did see him at
a press conference on Friday.

Speaker 4 (01:11:29):
He just did not give off coach of the Cowboys vibes.

Speaker 2 (01:11:33):
Like you know, whoever Dan Campbell walks to a podium,
It's like, Oh, that dude is going to have the
pulse of a locker room. Uh, you know, I, you know,
Mike Tomlin, whoever.

Speaker 4 (01:11:44):
It's like.

Speaker 2 (01:11:46):
Schottenheimer was just like, oh, that looks like I don't
even know.

Speaker 4 (01:11:51):
I don't even know.

Speaker 2 (01:11:53):
It looked like a guy that was like, Oh, that
guy's gonna walk into the locker room and set you know,
when Michael Parsons is running his mouth on his podcast,
that's the guy that's gonna get him back in line.
That's the guy that's gonna have him running sprints at
the stadium at six am in the morning. So those
are my only Brian Schottenheimer takes from the week at
the Combines.

Speaker 3 (01:12:11):
Those are pretty good. Yeah, it's all good. Yeah, I'll
say this real quick. I haven't watched one millisecond of
the combine. Like none. I have just not been interested
at all, and apparently none neither of the quarterbacks.

Speaker 4 (01:12:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:12:27):
No, I haven't put it on a ton I think
I had it on the background yesterday. But we will
talk Combine probably about thirty five forty minutes from now,
because I got some thoughts on Travis Hunter and what
the NFL should and should not be doing with him.
But with that said, only thing more exciting than Travis
Hunter on a football field is Steve Disager behind a mike.

Speaker 4 (01:12:48):
We're gonna get to him next.

Speaker 3 (01:12:50):
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Speaker 4 (01:13:07):
Saga take it away.

Speaker 7 (01:13:08):
A lot to get to, including men's college hoops, as
there is just over a week left in the men's
regular season. This late night game at San Francisco apparently
is going to go to Gonzaga. They're up seventeen with
about eight and a half minutes to go. Hawaii has
the late game at home, but everything else is final,
including the late night ACC game, because of course the
ACC was in the Bay Area tonight.

Speaker 4 (01:13:28):
With calow Cal, wouldn't it be?

Speaker 7 (01:13:30):
Let's with Cal beating Boston College? How soon is BC
flying home, by the way after a midnight flight and
you'll get there.

Speaker 3 (01:13:38):
On maybe by Monday morning.

Speaker 7 (01:13:40):
Class Miami is two and sixteen in the ACC after
losing at North Carolina. Today, Virginia Tech in overtime beat
Syracuse one oh one to ninety five. Georgia Tech beat
NC State by twenty five. We had Yukon winning at
Providence today that one Connecticut twenty and nine, twelve and
six in the Big East. Year over Creighton, Xavier has

(01:14:01):
won five in a row. You see San Diego one
again tonight, sixteen and two. In the Big West, they
dominated last place cal State Fullerton one hundred to fifty five.
You see Irvine only a game behind him in conference.
Meanwhile on the horizon, Green Bay now two and eighteen.
I believe, if I'm counting right, that's an overtime one
the other day, though they did they got a second conference.

Speaker 2 (01:14:24):
I think they're down of like six scholarship players. Like
I know, my goodness, it's easy to pile on Doug,
but I mean, what.

Speaker 3 (01:14:31):
Is coaching them this year?

Speaker 4 (01:14:32):
Yes, I apologize, but yeah, no, he because he's done.

Speaker 2 (01:14:35):
In all his interviews, he said, you know, I hope
everybody that's got basically what you know what Lebron said,
there's a lot of weird energy right now around Green
Bay basketball, and hope all of you are around when
we turn this thing around. And it's like, I know
that because of who Doug is, there's a microscope under
his team. But I think a lot of people are
not actually looking at the context as to why they
may be struggling in the manner that they.

Speaker 7 (01:14:56):
Are, as long as he didn't pull out the Robert
Sala where keeping receipts or the Notre Dame coach that
blew up the press conference a weekend or two ago,
that I don't want to see you guys around when
we turn it around, or you don't.

Speaker 4 (01:15:09):
That's besically exactly what he said.

Speaker 3 (01:15:10):
Almost for Beata pretty much so.

Speaker 7 (01:15:12):
Green Bay and overtime, lost at home. Overtime, I said,
lost at home to Oakland. Meanwhile, with the WNBA coming
up this summer, the Chicago Sky are moving their too
home games against Caitlin Clark to the Chicago Bulls Arena.
First ever WNBA contests at United Center coming up one
in June one in July. Since it has a capacity

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for over twenty thousand fans, the team in Chicago usually
plays at an arena in the area that seats ten thousand.
This is not new, of course, first off for Angel
Reefs against Caitlin Clark, but for Fever to have Caitland
Clark games moved to larger arenas. It's going to happen
twice when they go to Washington this summer as well.

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They've moved the Clark games to Baltimore to larger venues
for the twenty twenty five summer.

Speaker 2 (01:16:00):
You know, this isn't a topic for today, it is.
I was talking to producer and Brandan Deutsch about this,
like the difference and interest between Caitlyn Clark games versus literally,
like if you remember last year when they played the
Sparks nineteen thousand pupil at Crypto the game before they
were playing in Long Beach at the Pyramid in front

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of like four thousand fans.

Speaker 7 (01:16:21):
That's capacity there, I believe at Long Beach.

Speaker 2 (01:16:23):
Yes, oh well, different capacities, one with Kaylyn Clark, one
with the other.

Speaker 4 (01:16:28):
So it's just amazing to me.

Speaker 7 (01:16:29):
Yes, it is a massive difference and will continue to
be apparently this summer, you know ESPN after they don't
have baseball in the summer. I'm sure we'll be getting
a lot more of this with other teams, not just Caitlyn.

Speaker 2 (01:16:43):
Sure, I was gonna say, I'm sure we will watch
when Kaitlyn Clark is on, and probably not when she's not.

Speaker 7 (01:16:48):
Meanwhile, the NBA did have the Luka Doncich story after
the trade to the Lakers. So T and T's ratings
are actually up for the month of February a little
bit compared to last year. One point four million viewers
for the NBA on TNT this past month. Meanwhile, golf
got two million viewers last Sunday for a tournament you've
never heard of, one by a golfer you've never heard.

Speaker 4 (01:17:10):
It was amazing to me.

Speaker 2 (01:17:11):
And again, I don't want to just turn this into
an NBA bashing, but they were promoting. They got two
seven two point seven million for the Luca return with.

Speaker 4 (01:17:22):
The MAVs Tuesday.

Speaker 2 (01:17:23):
Yeah, and they were selling it as if it was
this greatest thing that's ever existed. I looked it up
last Saturday's Alabama Kentucky basketball game, which almost that.

Speaker 4 (01:17:32):
Yeah, it was like two one or two two. I'm like, listen,
I'm not.

Speaker 7 (01:17:37):
I don't criticize the NBA because that's apples to apples,
that's cable, That's what I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:17:41):
So it's just it's whatever.

Speaker 7 (01:17:43):
Meanwhile, the sporting event as far as TV ratings last
weekend was NASCAR on Fox over four and a half
million for the race at.

Speaker 4 (01:17:51):
At Lanst Wow.

Speaker 7 (01:17:51):
By the way. The golf that that got the two
million viewers last Sunday, that was the Mexico Opened, won
by Brian Campbell in a playoff over Aldridge Pottgear.

Speaker 4 (01:18:03):
So like him, Hotgard.

Speaker 7 (01:18:04):
I don't know if you were like me watching the
Auburn game at Kentucky.

Speaker 4 (01:18:08):
And College, you know where you're going with this.

Speaker 7 (01:18:10):
Yeah, about twelve minutes left, the feed went out and
I just never saw any more basketball because they went
to hockey. Yeah, the feed was just gone. And now,
granted Auburn was killing him and was up seemingly double
digits all a all day, but they never went back
to mine Oulge.

Speaker 2 (01:18:25):
I've never seen that before. That was like a heidy
thing situation.

Speaker 7 (01:18:30):
Except somebody probably literally pulled the plug at rapp Arenas
so that nobody would have to watch that anymore. Because
Kentucky was down nineteen six early to the number one
ranked Auburn Tigers and down fifteen at the half, and
Auburn is now fifteen and one in conference. And by
the way, Kentucky senior guard Jackson Robinson will have risk surgery.
He is out for the year. Number two Duke beat

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Florida State tonight one hundred to sixty five, So Duke's
seventeen and one in the ACC third ranked Florida beat
A and M eighty nine seventy and it was fourth ranked.
Houston winning the Big Twelve beating Cincinnati. Saint John's won
the Big East, beating Seaton All.

Speaker 2 (01:19:06):
Auburn, by the way, clinch the outright title. Buzzer Beater
with at the Tennessee buzzer Beater gives Auburn the outright
title as well. Cool video of them on the bus
watching that happen. By the way, Fox Sports Radio er
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Let's go through some of the stuff that we talked about.

Speaker 4 (01:20:13):
Earlier in the show.

Speaker 2 (01:20:14):
If you're just joining us, it's been a busy couple
days in the NFL. First off, you know, I want
to get to some of the quarterback stuff, but let's
just start with the news of the day. Deebo Samuel
unofficially traded to the Washington Commanders. It cannot become official
until the league calendar starts. The league year starts on
March twelfth, which is obviously about ten days from now,

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But Deebo Samuel is going to the Washington Commanders. To me,
this just simply says the San Francisco forty nine ers
are really, I think, going to slowly over the next whatever,
you know, two to three years, tear down, basically tear
down the team that made it to two straight Super
Bowls and could not get over the hump. We're kind

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of in between eras right now, and for the Washington
Commanders obviously sets up for another nice weapon for a
very young talented quarterback in Jayden Daniels.

Speaker 3 (01:21:06):
Yeah, there's not much to say. I mean, it was
inevitable that Deebo was going to be somewhere else because
he wanted out toward Dandy made it clear as agent,
and it seemed like the team was ready to move
on as well. They're moving towards kind of their golden years.
They're moving into their retirement home at this point. In
terms of this Niners squad, the way that we've come

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to know them in the last handful of years, they're
in a transitional period and I don't know that they're
a contender right now. Of course they're about to have
to pay brock Party. If you're Washington, on the other hand,
you are now in an arms race in your own division,
especially with Philadelphia, who's eyeing Miles Garrett right now and

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looking at a lot of other things. Of Course, we
already know what they have on offense. So you've got
Jayden Daniels and right now you don't have to pay
them anything more than that rookie contract, So you got
to do what you can, and Deebo's probably a pretty
good bet. Now He's not going to be the only
thing that you need, especially considering you can't necessarily feel
good about his availability just because he has been banged

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up a lot and he plays so physically, and the
older you get and the more physically you play, the
more likely it is you're not going to be playing
as much. But it's a good step for them to take.
Just give somebody else another weapon for Jayden Daniels, a
physical player, a combat player, somebody that will make those
plays over the middle for you and at times can
just wow you with what he's able to do. And

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you're getting him probably pretty geeked up when it comes
to one to show he's still got a lot, right,
So I think there's that as well. He came off
a year wasn't great because he was pretty banged up,
but he showed right there in the last i think
maybe the last four nance of the year what he
was capable of doing. So I think you might get
an inspired debo that's happy to be somewhere else. And

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I think that a lot of people are going to
want to come play with Jayden Daniels, And that's that's
more to the point, because Jayden Daniels is a guy
that doesn't want to take off and run. He wants
to stand in the pocket, find somebody and just have
that kind of that kind of a quarterback play like that.
He doesn't necessarily want to pull it down and run
out on every play when he had too. He can.

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He's going to be more effective with that if he
doesn't have to quite as often. So I think it's
a good move for Washington because they absolutely have to
maximize this time that they've got him before they have
to pay him really quickly.

Speaker 2 (01:23:30):
I think I kind of know your answer to this,
But what is the best case scenario, Like if San
Francisco doesn't deal with the injuries that they dealt with
this past year, which probably should not be expected when
Trent Williams is going to be thirty seven years old,
thirty eight years old this year, George Kittle's over thirty,

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Christian McCaffrey's closing an on thirty. But let's just say
that they don't have the cataclysmic injuries of this season, Like,
what is the best case scenario for San Francisco this
year this coming season? Because I still think that even
a best case scenario is kind of like, hey, maybe
we win the NFC West, but are we really a

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contender in the NFC, and I don't know if that's
where you want to be if you're the forty nine ers.

Speaker 3 (01:24:18):
Yeah, it's hard to say, because I do think some
of the injuries are going to continue, just because you
have older guys and guys that have been injured in
the past. Of course, this past season, the McCaffrey thing
came back. You know, he was super healthy after they
acquired him. They end up in the Super Bowl, they
lose that game, but then they come back and he
barely plays all year. And that was sort of the

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fear that that was kind of what we saw sometimes
in Carolina, is that he could get banged up, and
when he did, he was off and out for a
long period of time. But I mean, best case scenario,
I think you're probably looking like an eleven win team,
something like that max ten win team. Even I look
at the rest of the Vision A and I think
might come back and be better than they were this year.

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The Rams are not going anywhere. Seattle, I'm really not
sure what to make of. I kind of think Seattle
and San Francisco are just I'm not really sure, but
certainly I don't look at San Francisco the way that
I look at Philadelphia. I don't look at them the
way that I looked at Detroit, and still will until
further notice or until they give me reason to look elsewhere.

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I think they're probably in that Packers mix still, because
I don't really buy the Packers the way that I did.
I had them in the Super Bowl this past year
and didn't turn out, and by the time we got
to the playoffs, I knew that wasn't going to be
the case. But I think that that's probably I think
they're probably about a second tier NFC team at best.

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They could they could make some people sweat when it
comes to the playoffs and things like that, but I
don't think they're a real contender.

Speaker 2 (01:25:54):
Let me, by the way, this is completely unrelated to anything.
I must be getting old. Because San Francisco finished six
and eleven in the NFC West this year. That I
knew they finished in last place, I said, you know,
the Rams are kind of whatever, And I think I
said earlier in the show, the Cardinals were interesting for
a little while.

Speaker 4 (01:26:13):
I'll be totally real j Mark.

Speaker 2 (01:26:15):
Apparently, the Seattle Seahawks finished ten and seven and tied
for first place in the NFC West. I don't remember
that at all, Like, were they was there some time?
Like I guess the Rams just won the tiebreaker.

Speaker 4 (01:26:26):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:26:27):
I don't remember the Seahawks being tied for first place
in that division at the end of the year.

Speaker 4 (01:26:31):
Has nothing to do with anything. Maybe I'm getting old.

Speaker 2 (01:26:33):
It's after midnight Eastern on the East Coast, so maybe
I'm just tired and I'm delusional.

Speaker 4 (01:26:38):
I don't remember the Seahawks being ten and seven at all.

Speaker 3 (01:26:40):
I mean, I'm not sure I remember watching them play
last year. Yeah, yeah, I know there were a couple
I'm kind of I know you're kind of joking, but
generally speaking, like they just sort of there was a
season and they were part of it. But that was
sort of it, Like there was not much more to it.
It's not even they were boring necessarily. They just were

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just a complete afterthought. No one was talking about them
at any point, but they were just kind of judging along.
Geno Smith was still winning them some games, they were
still doing some things. DK was doing some things here
and there. Tyler Lockett, I'd see him pop up on
a highlight show once in a while. I think actually
Jackson Smith and Jigua had a really good year for them,

(01:27:23):
so they need that to continue. But yeah, you're telling
me they're ten and seven. I thought they were probably
closer to five hundred than that. That's a pretty good season, honestly.

Speaker 4 (01:27:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:27:32):
My one visceral memory of the Seahawks was I got
stuck on a cross country flight and it was the
only game that was on was Seahawks Giants. I don't
know why. I don't know what the aviation got, what
somebody did to the aviation gods for that to be
the only game, but I ended up watching like a
fair amount of that. By the way, Seattle's final two

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weeks to finish ten and seven, arousing arousing six to
three win over the bar I do remember that game
because it was the Thursday night after Christmas. And I
remember you and I actually talking about this on air,
is that we got so geeked up or so overwhelmed
by NFL football on a Wednesday. I forgot that there

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was a Thursday night game, and I was doing whatever
on December twenty sixth, and it was like, Oh, the
Seahawks and Bears are playing, And then obviously I looked
at the score and I didn't prioritize it to come
in and then apparently they beat the Rams in week seventeen,
when clearly the Rams had already clinched the division because
it doesn't look like any of the Rams starters played
so so yeah, very riveting finish to the ten and
seven season. That's probably why we don't remember very much

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of it really quick. Jmart speaking of the Rams, Matthew
Stafford is coming back to Los Angeles. I don't think
either you or I as surprised by that, But the
big domino appears to be that there was talk that
if Matthew Stafford left, that Aaron Rodgers would be a
Los Angeles Ram. Diana Rassini reporting on Friday afternoon that

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with Matthew Stafford going to New York, that obviously means
that Matthew Stafford is not a candidate to go to
the Giants.

Speaker 4 (01:29:07):
Giants need a quarterback.

Speaker 2 (01:29:09):
Aaron Rodgers is no longer a candidate's go to the Rams,
and that Diana Rassini reports said that they are officially
targeting Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 4 (01:29:16):
I mentioned it earlier in the show. I don't love it.

Speaker 2 (01:29:19):
I would push my chips in on one of the
rookie quarterbacks. The only argument I could really see against
it is if you really believe Cleveland is taking a
quarterback at two after cam Ward goes one, then cam
Ward and Shador Sanders aren't available.

Speaker 4 (01:29:34):
But listen, it's early. We don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:29:37):
You know, things can change between now and you know,
whenever all the dominoes fall. But it appears as though
Aaron Rodgers is now a priority for the New York Giants.

Speaker 3 (01:29:46):
Yeah, I don't see that working out, but who knows.
Maybe they did feel like they got burned last year
and they're just afraid of getting burned again. But I'm
with you, like we talked about in the first hour.
To me, I'm going for one of the rookies. I
don't know that Aaron Rodgers is going to save my
job if I'm Brian Dable. I don't know that he's
going to maximize what I have, and I don't know

(01:30:08):
what I have quite frankly. I mean, you had Tracy
kind of come out of nowhere, and he was a
pretty good back for them. He wouldn't say Kwan Barkley,
but he showed some flashes of some stuff. Certainly, you've
got my league neighbors there, and he's going to be
your focal point. So you've got to have a quarterback
that can get him the ball and somebody understands and
you want to do the best that you can by
him as fast as possible. I don't know if that's

(01:30:31):
Aaron Rodgers. I think you need to try and build
synergy with a quarterback that's going to be there. Yeah,
I think you're wide receiver quarterback. You want that marriage
to be good, but you also want it to be
long lasting. You don't want that thing to be cut
short rather quickly because of a retired Aaron Rodgers, because
I think personally, if he plays this year and he

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doesn't have fun again, he's not coming back, sure, because
the only reason you would come back at this point
is not just because you want to play foot balls,
because you want people to remember you differently than the
way it ended with the Jets. I don't know that
if he goes and puts on a Giants uniform, he's
going to get that ending. I don't know that he's
going to have that farv in Minnesota kind of ending.

(01:31:15):
He's certainly not going to have that Brady and Tampa
Bay kind of ending, so I would. I mean, if
I'm him, I'm just thinking, I'm like, do I really
want to do this? Do I even want to do this?
If the Giants are the only place that I can go,
if there's nowhere better than that, because you're not going
to win a title there. So I just feel like

(01:31:38):
the return there the juice is probably not worth the
squeeze for me if I'm Aaron Rodgers, but it's definitely
not worth the squeeze for me if I'm the Giants. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:31:46):
And I think, by the way, if he does choose
to play with the Giants, I've already said I don't
agree with the Giants perspective, but I think it's pretty
obvious at that point, as you just said that he
just wants to play, because obviously a week ago he
did an interview with TMZ where he basically said, you know,
I want to go somewhere that I'm wanted, but somewhere

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also that has a lot of good players, the insinuation
being with a chance to win. I don't think that
is going to happen. By the way, I will add this,
this is very random and I guess a little bit
off topic, but not really do the Jets just plan
on not playing with quarterback next year. They're not involved
with any of these guys.

Speaker 3 (01:32:24):
They're not in position coming back home.

Speaker 2 (01:32:26):
Oh god, speaking of seeing ghosts, that's a ghost. I'd
be seeing ghosts having to turn them on every week.
But yeah, it's crazy. So they've told Aaron Rodgers he's
not coming back. They're not really in position to draft
a quarterback, and they're not linked to any of the.

Speaker 4 (01:32:42):
The guys that are available.

Speaker 2 (01:32:44):
We mentioned earlier that the Raiders are are kind of
vetting that that, you know, bottom of the barrel discount
bin of Russell Wilson, Justin Fields and Sam Darnold Jet Jets.
Maybe they're just running the wildcat all of next year
and don't plan on actually throwing the football.

Speaker 3 (01:33:02):
So maybe they're bringing in like the need to figure
something out. I mean, if I'm Aaron Glenn, I want
a quarterback, you're probably gonna need a quarterback.

Speaker 2 (01:33:10):
That'd be nice to have like one quarterback on your roster.
Maybe they just go like the Army triple option'd.

Speaker 3 (01:33:17):
Maybe the draft like Jaylen Milroe and they actually with it.

Speaker 2 (01:33:20):
Oh boy, I'll tell you what. We'll talk combine next
Jalen Milroe is not going to be part of that conversation.
But uh I just I Jalen Milroe by all accounts
as a great kid. But we're in the part of
the news cycle now where we stop talking about the
actual on the field tape and just oh, look at
him in a shirt running and not let's not acknowledge

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anything that happened during the season. So come back, we'll
talk Combine, not Jalen Milroe. But I got some Travis
Hunter thoughts. I don't want to get off my chest.
That's next.

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Speaker 2 (01:34:05):
Welcome back, everybody, Fox Sports Radio rators Jason Martin broadcasting
live from the Tireck dot com studios. You know, Jbart,
you and I obviously do a lot of college football
in this window. Love it, talk about it every Saturday
from basically early to mid August through you know, mid

(01:34:25):
to late January even later this year. I don't know
that I've heard the definitive jmart take on Travis Hunter
in the NFL. He obviously went this week to the
Combine as a cornerback.

Speaker 4 (01:34:38):
I know he's been.

Speaker 2 (01:34:38):
Vocal about wanting the opportunity to play both sides of
the football. It seems as though the you know, the
powers that be don't seem to really believe.

Speaker 4 (01:34:48):
That it's possible. Do you have any strong opinion?

Speaker 2 (01:34:50):
I have some thoughts, but I'm curious for your perspective
as strong opinions on Travis Hunter, what he may or
may not be capable of as a as an NFL player.

Speaker 3 (01:35:01):
I don't know about strong opinions. I would at least
I would be more open minded than the league appears
to be right now. Just because you're saying it's not possible,
is that because it isn't or because he's a unicorn
you've never seen before. Like that's where I hesitate to say, Oh,

(01:35:24):
it's not possible. It's not possible, it's not. The definition
of impossible is not because I haven't seen it yet,
It's because it's not possible for a human being to
do it. Is it a dangerous play? Potentially? Yeah, because
if you play in both ways, you're probably shortening his career.
So if he's good at one thing, then you should

(01:35:45):
probably let him do the thing he's best at so
that you can maximize that for as long as possible.
But I mean, you know, we're looking at show, hey
Tani in a different sport. We've obviously seen Deon Sanders
do this at different times in different sports. We've seen
guys do it in different sports. You just don't generally
see it in one sport, especially not inn the NFL.
But I don't like the idea of just completely eliminating

(01:36:08):
it offhand, like just out of hand and just nope,
absolutely not, cannot do it. No, I would at least
entertain it. I'd look into it a little bit and
come to a good decision on it, evaluate it. But
I mean, Travis Hunter is saying he's gonna do it.
I don't think he's a moron. I don't think he
is a dumb guy by any stretch. I think he

(01:36:29):
has very high confidence in what he's capable of doing.
And I understand it. I watched him play last year.
We know what he's capable of. So I don't like
the idea of an NFL that hasn't seen this before
saying this can't be done. I would at least entertain it.

Speaker 2 (01:36:46):
So I'm actually that's actually my exact take, to be
perfectly honest, is you know, because first of all, let's
just look at history, okay, And so I think this
gets lost a little bit in the shuffle. The reason
that Travis Hunter flipped on national signing Day from Florida
State to Jackson State, with due respect, it wasn't just

(01:37:07):
because he wanted to play for Dion. It wasn't because
he wanted to play it at HBCU. It's not because
he didn't want to play at Florida State. It is
because Deon Sanders was the only coach that said, hey,
we believe you can play both positions at a high level,
and we're gonna give you the opportunity to do so,
and if you can't, then we'll focus on one side.

Speaker 4 (01:37:26):
Whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:37:27):
That is the reason that he was at first Jackson
State and then Colorado. It is because Deon Sanders is
the only one that believed that he could do it.
And so what I'm with you, we've seen recent history
where people said that that it can't be done. I'm
also gonna say something pseudo controversial. I think in some
ways it's this gonna sound crazy. I think in some ways,

(01:37:49):
it's actually easier to do it in the NFL than
it would be in college.

Speaker 3 (01:37:52):
And let me explain.

Speaker 2 (01:37:53):
Obviously the physicality of the NFL is much different. Obviously
the athleticism is much different. And to be clear, I
don't think Travis Hunter is a wide receiver one. I
don't think he's a hundred catch guy. I don't think
he's Jamar Chase. I don't think he's Jordan Jefferson whatever.
But the thing that you forget about college football, they're
very limited on practice time. And so now I will
say my understanding of Colorado was that they kind of

(01:38:17):
let him kind of practice around things. In other words,
you know, he wouldn't go full pads on days that
other guys would for for obvious reason, to protect his body.
But it's like there's going to be more practice time,
more film time, more study time. By all accounts, he
is you know, an A plus plus, you know, student
of the game, student in general. I think he had
a four to zero this year, totally locked in on football.

(01:38:38):
So I just bring it up because more practice time,
more study time. I don't know that he's going to
be better, because I don't think he will be. But
like I think in some ways it'll actually be easier
for him. But I just fall to the place that
you are, Jason, of just because it hasn't been done
doesn't mean it can't be.

Speaker 4 (01:38:55):
And I'll take you a step further.

Speaker 2 (01:38:57):
I just think I just hope that whoever drafts him
does give him the opportunity, because I think it'll be
a cool story to follow. You know, I want to
give credit because I don't want to steal a take here,
but I was talking to Dan Buyer about this, and
it's like, you know, the NFL has become so quarterback quarterback, quarterback, quarterback, quarterback,
quarterback quarterback. It was kind of fun seeing the Saquan

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story this year, just because it was a little bit
different than things that we've seen in the past. And
I just hope that we have a kind of a
cool story to follow of dude playing both ways at
a high level. And I hope whoever draft him gives
him the opportunity.

Speaker 3 (01:39:30):
Yeah, Like I kind of would like for him to
prove that it's impossible by not being able to do that.
Like that's whoever drafts him, I want them to give
him the opportunity to show them he can do it
and show them that it is valuable. But I think
your other point is dead right, Like the uniqueness of
the story would be great, and the ability to see

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him more often both ways is not like out, well
they punt it. Now I can't watch Travis Hunter. Nope,
you get to watch steffas Hunter either way. And look
if it ends up, if the scale ends up tilting
dramatically to one side, then maybe you flip and you
only play one way a couple of years from now.
But there's no reason not to at least entertain it,

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Like I would hate the fact that team that drafts
him immediately is like, well, here's what we drafted him
to be. Like that would be a bummer because you
just don't get this opportunity much and the entertainment value,
the story value, the potential that it could be like
if he's great at this, I mean, this becomes just

(01:40:35):
an incredible thing to watch as well it was in college.
So I hope it happens. Quite frankly, even though I
want to see him have a long career and be
healthy and that certainly will limit your ability to do
that if you're playing that often, I still just want
to see it at least for a little while, just
because I just want to see this guy go out

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and ball, because I know what he's capable of.

Speaker 2 (01:40:58):
I tell you what, I want to see Travis Hunter
play both sides of the football.

Speaker 4 (01:41:03):
Know what else?

Speaker 2 (01:41:04):
I want to see Bill Belichick on hard knocks with
the UNC and it's coming baby.

Speaker 4 (01:41:09):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (01:41:10):
We're going to discuss that next. Before we do, though,
final time, Disager's got to get home and prepare for
working with Arnie for three hours tomorrow. So to Sega,
the floor is yours. Get out of here, get a
good night sleep here.

Speaker 3 (01:41:20):
Arizona lost an idea that that's right.

Speaker 7 (01:41:22):
He is enjoying his Wildcat basketball or not. Arizona lost
badly at number nine Iowa State.

Speaker 4 (01:41:28):
We'll get to that.

Speaker 7 (01:41:28):
But as far as the scouting combine, the workouts it
started Thursday. Workouts for quarterbacks and others was today, and
the sprints with the wide receivers. Former Longhorns wide out
Matthew Golden had the fastest forty time at the combine
four point two nine seconds. Teammate Isaiah Bond ran four
point three nine. By the way, training camp opens Monday
for the UFL the Spring League which has eight teams.

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On Tuesday, the NFL's franchise tag window closes. The San
Francisco forty nine Ers will trade wide receiver Deebo Samuel
to Washington for a fifth rounder. That deal cannot be
official until March twelfth, the first day of the new
league year. A reminder of the IndyCar season begins Sunday
on Fox TV. NASCAR's also on Fox on Sunday, NHL

(01:42:12):
had an outdoor game at Ohio State todaight. His Columbus
beat Detroit five to three with two goals in the
last two and a half minutes. Attendance ninety four thousand.
Tampa Bay won its eighth straight game of victory at Washington.
Saint Louis beat LA and Philadelphia in a shootout one
at Winnipeg. As far as the baseball, the White Sox
won eighteen to nine at spring training over Seattle. It

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was eighteen to two in the ninth. Milwaukee defeated Texas
nine to four, the loss to pitcher Kumar Rocker, who
allowed four runs in the first inning. He's zero two.
Atlanta tide Toronto one to one. Detroit held Philadelphia at
a one hit today in a one nothing victory. The
Phillies backups that was their lineup went one for twenty
eight with twelve strikeouts. Quick game two hours, five minutes.

(01:42:53):
DH gen Carlos Stana the Yankees will start the season
on the injured list with his elbow injuries. Plural Aaron
Judge hit a two run scene and the Yanks win
over Houston, but third baseman dj Lemayhew of the Yankees
left with a calf injury. Yankee pitcher Luis Hill yesterday
had stopped his bullpen session due to shoulder tightness. He
was AL Rookie of the Year last season. The NL

(01:43:13):
Rookie of the Year Paul Skenes was on the mound
for the Pirates today. He struck out four in three
innings in his spring debut. Pittsburgh beat Baltimore as far
as women's college hoops number four USC to end its
regular season. Beat number two UCLA again. That's four straight
times the two this year, their last two matchups last season,
eighty to sixty seven. The final on Fox TV tonight.

(01:43:35):
Juju Watkins had half her team's points in the first half,
wound up with thirty points in the game as sc
finished first in the Big ten, still taking some getting
used to UCLA was number one for most of the season.
It finishes twenty seven and two, both losses against usc
men's number one Auburn one at Kentucky victories for Duke

(01:43:56):
and Florida. Number four Houston beat Cincinnati the Cougar seventeen
one in the Big Twelve. They've clinched the outright conference
title for a second straight year. Number five ranked Tennessee
beat number six Alabama seventy nine seventy six on a
three pointer at the buzzer. The Balls had trailed by
nine with ten minutes to go. Seventh thranks Saint John's
is seventeen and two in the Big East after beating

(01:44:16):
Seaton Hall, which is two and sixteen. Saint John's clinched
its outright first Big East regular season title since nineteen
eighty five, and the team is eighteen and zero in
home games, and they had this one at Madison Square
Garden had another sell out there. The win for Iowa
State rank ninth was against Arizona tonight, eighty four to
sixty seven Wildcats from three point range four for twenty two.

(01:44:40):
Tenth ranked Texas Tech held on to win at Kansas
seventy eight, seventy three, Kansas, ten and eight in conference,
Clemson one at Virginia. The Clemson Tigers are sixteen and
two in the ACC, still a game behind Duke. They
had to come from behind in this one. Vanderbilt in
overtime beat number fourteen. Missouri. Maryland came from behind win
at Penn State. Louisville ranked in the top twenty sixteen

(01:45:03):
and two in the ACC at beat pitt Marquette won
at Georgetown. Saint Mary's over Oregon State tonight. Saint Mary's
went seventeen and one at the West Coast Conference. It'll
play again a week from Monday in a conference tournament.
Wins for Mississippi State and BYU. South Carolina was one
in fourteen in conference but ripped Arkansas today, and Yale
was twelve and zero in the IVY League but lost

(01:45:25):
today at Harvard.

Speaker 4 (01:45:27):
Back to you to Saga, have a great evening to Saga.

Speaker 2 (01:45:31):
Will be back on Sunday with all the Gang.

Speaker 4 (01:45:35):
Willard and Ephraim planking on the other plank in Arnie.

Speaker 2 (01:45:40):
Fox Sports Radio air towards Jason Martin broadcasting live from
the tire Rack dot Com studios set it before the
break another thing that sort of like the Deebo Samuel trade.
Not technically official, but we got reports on Friday. Bill
Belichick and the North Carolina tar Heels will be part

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of a hard Knock series, basically the spring Hard Knock
series that was such a success. Basically nobody in the
NFL wants to do it for obvious reasons, because we
just mocked the New York Giants for basically now, basically
a full year since that first debuted in whatever it was,
you know, May of last year, Bill Belichick and the

(01:46:24):
North Carolina tar Heels will be on Hard Knocks.

Speaker 4 (01:46:26):
You don't sound excited about it. I'm actually surprised by that.

Speaker 3 (01:46:29):
Well, I mean, it's not like it won't be interesting.
It's just like, man, the old Belichick would have wanted
no part of this.

Speaker 4 (01:46:36):
So actually, let me jump in because that was actually
be a question.

Speaker 2 (01:46:39):
Do you believe that is Belichick doing this because hey,
he's just a new dude dating a twenty four year
old whatever.

Speaker 4 (01:46:48):
Life is good, let's try some new stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:46:51):
But I don't even know what to say about that.

Speaker 2 (01:46:53):
Yeah, but is it has he fundamentally changed you think
he thinks he has to do this because of crew purposes,
Like it does feel like he's a different dude. But
I don't know if he's the same dude and he's
just doing it because he thinks he has to do it.
I just I don't really know what to make of this,
Uh this new look Bill Belichick.

Speaker 3 (01:47:14):
I mean, does the zebra change his stripes?

Speaker 4 (01:47:17):
I don't like.

Speaker 3 (01:47:17):
Yeah, I don't know. I think will I think. I
think the version of Bill that we were seeing with
Peyton and Eli, for example, was legit. I think that's
more of who he always has been. Probably, like they've said,
behind the scenes, he can be kind of a jovial guy,
fun guy. Some of that kind of stuff has been

(01:47:40):
so that didn't really shock me. I thought he would
probably be pretty good on TV, and he was. I
knew Satan was going to be great on TV and
he has been. But this this is different though, because
this is letting him into the football side of what
you were doing, where you never gave the media anything.
It was on to Cincinnati every week, and you really

(01:48:00):
can't do that with this now. You know, knowing how
Hard Knocks works behind the scenes and how it's all
set up, and how you have control over it, they don't.
So like North Carolina, Belichick is staff can shut the
cameras down whenever they want. They'll be able to edit
and say, Nope, we're not going to run that. Nope,
don't want you to run that. And they can change things.

(01:48:23):
You know, they have the power, they have the leverage
in this unless something's changed. So you know it gives
you and see a little bit of a boost. I
mean going into the season. I can't wait to watch
Carolina football this year just because I want to see
what this is. I want to see what this actually
looks like with Bill Belichick in college. So this is
a perfect This is exactly what you want if you're

(01:48:44):
Max or HBO or whoever it is, it's running a
hard knock series. But if you are actually like Bill Belichick,
what are you doing here? And I'm not really sure
the recruiting point you made is intriguing because that does
have to be factored in here and you being you know,
out front constantly, maybe you're able to use this almost

(01:49:07):
as a recruiting tool, as a mechanism to have people watching.
That might end up being easier for you to then
get to your school. I don't know's it's a strange
thing just because it seems like Bill Belichick would want
no part of this. But I do not believe he
has changed. I just kind of believe that we're just

(01:49:29):
we're just in a different place just around Bill Belichick.
I think in the next couple of years, we're going
to figure out why he did this, why exactly he's
the coach at North Carolina, what it has to do
with the sun, things of that nature. I still don't
see this lasting very long, and I still have no
idea whether or not it's going to work on the
field in terms of them being able to win. But

(01:49:51):
he has now surprised me, and I would say you
probably multiple times in the last six months with the
things he's decided to do well.

Speaker 4 (01:49:59):
As a guy that you know.

Speaker 2 (01:50:00):
Even four or five days into the Bill Belichick UNC
rumors at the time, I still was like it became
official at some point, but it was like up until
the day he actually signed the paperwork, I was like, this.

Speaker 4 (01:50:13):
Is not real and yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:50:15):
So so first of all, I'll say I am excited
for the behind the scenes access. I would actually argue
UNC with Belichick. Maybe I haven't early sat down and
thought about it, but maybe the team that I would
want to see a hard knocks for the most in college.

Speaker 3 (01:50:30):
We would say, so, I would say, so, yeah, I was.

Speaker 2 (01:50:33):
I mean I was thinking about it, like Ryan Day
not interesting, you know, maybe Alabama because they're kind of
under a little bit of heat this year after, but
it would probably be Belichick in UNC And so I'm excited.

Speaker 4 (01:50:46):
You know, I don't know what we're going to really learn.

Speaker 2 (01:50:48):
And then I think the other thing too, not just
kind of like what he's like behind the scenes, but
I think sort of in my opinion as importantly, just.

Speaker 4 (01:50:59):
Like you said, is he different? Is he the same?

Speaker 2 (01:51:02):
Is he the same dude just in a college uniform
in baby blue?

Speaker 3 (01:51:07):
Is he?

Speaker 4 (01:51:07):
I don't know. I just I think it's all.

Speaker 3 (01:51:09):
I want to see how he relates to nineteen year agree. Yeah,
I mean things are things have changed of course now
with them getting paid and all this, But I want
to see how he operates and then you'll be able
to talk to or I imagine there'll be some interesting commentaries
and articles written by guys that covered him in the NFL,
be Republic in New England, who can then compare that

(01:51:30):
to what they're seeing. Because I will be surprised if
he doesn't change his methods at least a little bit.
If he doesn't, then I think it's not going to
work very well for him at all. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:51:44):
No, I was going to say the exact same thing.
Is that I think he has changed. I think really
quickly because we got to get get to break and wrap.
I just think, like you said, is this just Hey,
I want to coach and the NFL The options that
I could have had were not interesting to me or

(01:52:05):
kind of like the Lucas stuff. Is there some weird
thing that we haven't totally figured out yet, whether it's
using this to prove he can coach in the NFL again.
You know, we know the buyout falls on June first.
I don't anticipate a coaching je Jude first, but you
know the buyout falls. Is he back in the NFL
a year from now? Is this solely to get his

(01:52:25):
son Steve in the head coaching job. Is he really
interested in this? I don't know, but I just I
find the whole thing interesting and we'll get a little
bit of behind the scenes because again North Carolina football
will be part of Hard Knocks. Reportedly, nothing is official yet.
I actually had on Pat McAfee Yes Friday, and Mike
Lombardi the GM happened to be on set and he

(01:52:47):
was very hush hush about it. So it doesn't sound
like it's official yet, but it sounds like it's pretty
much official. Fox Sports Radio air towards Jason Martin will
come back. One segment left. We still got a lot
to discuss Fox Sports Radio. Ry Mack with the old
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Speaker 3 (01:53:45):
Us j Mart.

Speaker 2 (01:53:45):
We did get a little response to our Aaron Rodgers conversation.
Preler Forever says, quote, the only reason for Aaron Rodgers
to go to the Giants is to humiliate the Jets
for not keeping him and doing so in their building.
Nobody thrives on proving people wrong more than him.

Speaker 3 (01:54:03):
Look, he's not wrong, Like he's been the petty champion
for nigh on a decade. At this point in time,
there was nobody you would believe would actually do something
for that reason quite like Aaron Rodgers. I do agree
with that.

Speaker 4 (01:54:18):
Yeah, my only thing.

Speaker 2 (01:54:20):
Yeah, I guess a bad reason, but no, no, no, it's
an interesting point because he is in the same building.
And I mean if all of a sudden you look
up and they're, you know, six and two and the
Jets are one in five.

Speaker 4 (01:54:32):
Because again, I don't think they even have a quarter.

Speaker 2 (01:54:35):
Is Tyrod Taylor. I think Tyrod Taylor might be there,
so maybe they just roll with him for a year.
I don't know, but I don't know that they have
a quarterback right now. So yeah, it's kind of interesting.
We were talking about the quarterbacks earlier. That's on the podcast,
just feels like everybody seems to have contingencies for what
they want to do, except for the Jets who got
rid of Aaron Rodgers don't seem to be in the

(01:54:57):
mix for any of these veterans, the Sam Darnel, Russell
Wilson types, and aren't in position to draft a quarterback.

Speaker 4 (01:55:05):
A couple other things we miss.

Speaker 2 (01:55:07):
J Mart I don't really want to end on a
sad note or a down note, but I think it's
something that is worth at least spending a minute or
two on Joel Embiid out for the year. I don't
know what there really is to say that has not
been said. I mean, obviously we all feel bad. I'll
say this. You know, we've kind of talked about the
forty nine ers kind of window maybe being over. I

(01:55:30):
think it's probably just time to acknowledge that Joel Embiid
I just not a guy that can consistently give you
what you need on a night tonight basis. I mean,
he's already said we're probably not gonna play back to
backs ever again, and I just is he like, is
he a guy you can build around at this point
in his career. I just feel like anything you're gonna
get from him at this point is a bonus. But

(01:55:50):
I don't know that that's a guy that you can
build around going for no.

Speaker 3 (01:55:54):
And look, it's it's been unfortunate to watch because at
his best, I mean, he is something special to watch,
but it's just not consistent and you can't trust it
when he gets the playoffs, you can't trust a game
to game And I don't mean his production, I just
mean his availability in his health. And look, it was
a problem with Kansas, it was a problem dating back

(01:56:15):
to before he got into the NBA, and it's just
dogged him out, Like it hasn't crushed him the same
way it has like a Greg Odin or somebody like that.
But Embiid had potential he's never going to be able
to fully realize because I just don't think his body's
going to allow it for a long enough period. I mean,
this is a guy who had an MVP season, but

(01:56:35):
I do not think he can be your centerpiece on
a championship team like he could be. Maybe he can
be a role player for you or something like that,
but we're definitely to that stage where he becomes more
like the penny Hardaway in Phoenix kind of player like
somebody like that that you just remember what he was
and what he was capable of. But he's gonna have
to change his game, and I just don't know. It's

(01:56:59):
not great for the league. And man, what a disaster
for the Sixers, just with Paul George's podcast Pee out
here and everything more going on.

Speaker 4 (01:57:08):
He's no longer podcast pe that that was because he said.

Speaker 3 (01:57:11):
He wants to he wants to like hunker down for
the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (01:57:14):
It's like, dude, very noble, Yeah, very very noble that
you got to making forty got tired of hearing.

Speaker 3 (01:57:22):
Your name destroying well, I just think television and radio
for months.

Speaker 2 (01:57:25):
I just think it's very noble. You're making forty nine
million dollars. It's very nice that you're focusing on the
job that's paying you forty nine million dollars this year.

Speaker 3 (01:57:35):
Yeah, that might be.

Speaker 2 (01:57:36):
You know, that probably would have been a great conversation
for another day of like just the the athlete podcast.
Space is like, I understand you want to start a
career for when you're out of sports, but I do
think you know, Micah Parts has taken some heat. Paul
George is apparently stepping away from podcasting for a while.
So yeah, it's all. It's all well and good when

(01:57:57):
you're playing in an elite level. Not so much when
the Sixers stink and you can't stay on the court.

Speaker 3 (01:58:02):
But i'd personally write it into contracts that you're not
doing a podcast while you're active, like while you're actually playing.
You're not doing it. Not on my organization. I probably
lose some talent because of that, but it's frustrating, Like
I just I don't need that in my organization. You
do that after you play football or you play basketball.
You don't do that while we're amidst all of this.

(01:58:23):
I don't think anything good comes from it at all.

Speaker 4 (01:58:26):
Good conversation for another day, but we got to get
out of here for now.

Speaker 2 (01:58:28):
I want to thank the crew, Mary mack on the board,
producer Bree, Steve Desager, for my partner Jason Martin. I'm
areon Torres. We appreciate everybody listening. Make sure to download
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