The Fellas with Arnie Spanier and Geoff Schwartz talk Lakers, NBA Playoffs, NFL Offseason Storylines & MORE!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
Oh, good morning, everybody, Good morning, good morning, Good morning,
Jeff Schwartz, Arnie Spanier. We're in for the fellas, Anthony
Gargano and Jason fitz As. We're broadcasting live from the
Fox Sports Radio studios here. As I said on this
Saturday morning, third day of May, let me welcome in

(00:25):
my partner and former Palisades High School alum as well
as I am my buddy, Jeff Schwartz.

Speaker 3 (00:32):
How you doing this morning, Jeff?

Speaker 4 (00:34):
I am doing fabulous. It's nice to work with you again,
and a lot to talk about. You know, you got
Game sevens everywhere and NFL actually coming to appreciate you.
We realized like football soon. I'm pretty excited about that.

Speaker 3 (00:49):
I know I did.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
The difference between waiting for football to start backup seems
like it takes forever. First of all, are you a
morning guy? I know you said you're on your first
cup of coffee. I'm already on my third.

Speaker 4 (01:00):
So yeah, I'm probably more of a morning guy than
I am a night guy.

Speaker 3 (01:05):
Yes, I sew people that are more of.

Speaker 4 (01:10):
Just like to sleep, my sleep guy. So if it's
if it's nine to five, thirty six. I'm fine with that.
If it's ten to six thirty, I'm fine with that too.
So I'm more of a sleep but we did get
I end up going to a minor league game last night.
We went to see the the Triple A team here,

(01:31):
which is uh the White Sox. They could use.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:36):
A guy hit a tenth home run last night a
month tim Elko game sounds from used to play Mississippi,
and I look at the White Sox. I think to myself,
you know what, I kind of feel like they could
use that guy. But it was a lot of fun
on the fireworks night, so kids, kids had a lot
of fun.

Speaker 3 (01:52):
Yeah, I do. I do the minor league thing.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
Up here in Vermont, we have the Vermont Lake Monsters,
so they used to be single A.

Speaker 3 (01:58):
Now there I don't even know what they are.

Speaker 5 (02:00):
There are some.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
Independent league, but it's fun to go to the games
and stuff like that. But I mentioned you and I
both went to Palisades High School, though I probably a
little bit before you, a lot before you in that one.

Speaker 3 (02:12):
Of course, that was the one in the fires.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
I think like about what fifty percent of the school
had some fire damage. And now they're using the old
Seers building down by the beach. But hopefully I have
the high school back up.

Speaker 3 (02:25):
In a year or so.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
Man all the way to Carolina from Palisades, but I
was reading all that. I see all the famous alumni
donating money and stuff, and it's good that they're working
on and getting trying to get them back up the code.

Speaker 4 (02:39):
Yeah, it is still I think, rather shocking. I had
a friend who went to Los Angeles yesterday for the
first time actually, and he was commenting on he went
to lax and then had to go two thousand Oaks
and he was commenting like, oh, this takes ninety minutes.
I'm like, if if you're lucky day, and I was,

(03:02):
you know, I was telling him sort of like the
way that he was going to get there and what
he might see on the way there, sort of thing
he'd never been in Los Angeles. I was like, you
go to West l A. And then you go to
Westwood and you suppo to pass and like like you
you might see fire damage and supping to pass. And
it's just still kind of shocking that it happened, because

(03:23):
you know, like you know, like life just sort of
goes on as it should and and you sort of
maybe forget about the damage that happened. I when I
looked at at the map of the traffic map just
to sort of tell them, like how bad it's going
to be. And and you know, there's you know, PC
is still closed, and so I have not been back.
I'm going to lost just one more a weekend, so

(03:45):
I'll probably try to take a trip up to the Palisades.
But you know, it's, uh, it's it's still just I
can't believe it that happened the way it did, and
it's unfortunate, and but you know, it's.

Speaker 3 (03:57):
It's hard, it's it's heartbreaking.

Speaker 6 (03:58):
You know.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
I'm in the of those Facebook groups that say you
went to Palisades High School. Reconnected a lot with some
of my old high school pals, even though I did,
I didn't have a lot of friends in high school.

Speaker 3 (04:09):
To be honest with you, I'm football star.

Speaker 4 (04:13):
Come on, man, you went to the same high school
I did. Football is not like, uh, you know, the
most important thing in our high school. So that that
really didn't mean anything very very much. I think the
thing that's still like, it's it's it's just, you know,
I remember when the fire first started I text one

(04:36):
of my high school teammates and I said, you know,
like this is going to be bad and ended up
being obviously, as we know, be bad is of where
the fire started and just sort of understanding that the
terrain there. And I think that, like, it's still sort
of just frustrates me the way people talk about it,
you know, and and what actually happened was not as
oh no as conspiracy theories people wanted to be. Essentially,

(05:00):
it's like the most frustrated part still it's like we
didn't have to talk about it the way we did,
and still people chose to go that direction instead of
just talking about what actually happened.

Speaker 3 (05:09):
Yeah, well, it's a great community. We'll have a little fun.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
We'll talk about some of the famous alum from our
high school. And there's a list a lot like you
wouldn't believe. You're not even what you and your brother,
not even the best football players from Palisades High School
all that Mitch.

Speaker 4 (05:24):
Might be though, I don't think there's better football players.

Speaker 3 (05:27):
Than we had a quarterback.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
We had a quarterback that played for Washington and for
the Raiders in the Super Bowl up Jay Schrader.

Speaker 4 (05:35):
I don't know if you remember, Yeah, yeah, my brother
was a four time All Pro though I don't know,
I don't even had that good But that's like on
the list of famous people that went to our high school,
he's like eleventh, so twenty fifth. I mean, it depends
on what your your rankings are for most famous. But
we're a coach coaching last night in the NBA playoffs.
Yes it was an alum and Steve.

Speaker 3 (05:56):
Kerr Academy Award winning actor.

Speaker 4 (05:59):
Yeah. We the owner of my favorite basketball team that
could make out of the first round in Jeanie Buss. Ye.
So we've got plenty of plenty of famous people.

Speaker 5 (06:08):
Bye.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
By the way, you know, I could have been part
owner of the Lakers since I went to school with
Genie and I you know, I was a good looking guy, Jeff,
I don't want to brag or anything, and I could
have just went up to Genie and said, Hey, Genie,
let's go to Westwood this weekend Adam Mallhouse is playing
and then we could go hang out at the Taco
Bell afterwards. She would have fallen in love with me,
would have gotten married, and I would have been half owner.

Speaker 4 (06:29):
By now you did you know her in high school?

Speaker 3 (06:32):
Yeah, she was.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
Actually I was on the basketball team. She was the
basketball manager. She was she was learning to take over
for her father. Her father was just buying the team
back then, and she was learning to you know, run
the office and for him back then.

Speaker 4 (06:46):
Yeah, I mean, obviously I watch you winning time, like
I think we all did.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
I mean, that's yeah.

Speaker 4 (06:49):
I don't know how accurate of a time that that
whole thing was, but that's what you know. I think
she was much older in the show than she wasn't
real life. I think it was that show the way
the show to portrayed her. But yeah, so look, Pally,
I know there's you know, Dave Roberts is involved, and
Joe Torre is helping out, and I mean, you know,
like you had to move a whole high school, guys.
I mean, it's kind of wild that that they found

(07:14):
the place to move a whole three thousand person high
school too.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
It is.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
It is awesome, But we'll have a little fun with that.
We're gonna be here for the next three hours as
we get right into it, because you know, I want
to start with the hints kind of wrapping things up.
The Lakers lost a couple of nights ago, They're eliminated
four games to one. Jeff, and I wanted to start
with Lebron. You saw the press conference, and I mean,
my goodness, man, you just shake your head sometimes, the

(07:39):
self serving attitude. They just got eliminated four games to one.
It just seems like there's just no urgency. But I
do want to start with Lebron. I have like a
million questions. Will he retire, Should he retire? Should the
Lakers want to keep him? Will they keep them? Will
they go in a new direction? So let's let's start
with the simple one. Will he retire? Should he retire?

(07:59):
He's not going to retire, and he probably shouldn't retire.
Even at forty years old, he's still putting up major
numbers out there. Look, Lucas gonna take over, there's no
doubt about that. But Lebron needs to go ahead and
learn to take a backseat to Luca. They need a third,
whether Jiannis or somebody else. But no, he wouldn't retire

(08:20):
until he announced it, so he could have a goodbye
and all the people get say goodbye to him, and
all the cities could have a you know, give him
a president and stuff like that, and you know, have
it on the board and TV and all that stuff.
But no, he he shouldn't retire. And I think he's
still got probably another two more good years in.

Speaker 3 (08:39):
Him before he should probably call it quits.

Speaker 4 (08:41):
Yeah, the old Derek Jeter retirement tour, the retirement tour. Yes, yeah,
he's absolutely gonna do that. Look, I am a Lakers fan.
I have liked Lebron his entire career, whether he was
playing for the Lakers or for the Heat or for
the Cats. I always thought he got a little too
much great for the you know, the decision, you know,
that whole process. And I get when people don't like him,

(09:03):
you know, but I just there are things that are
hard to defend about his press conferences and some of
the things he says, and this feels like one of them,
right where two things. One is the report about his
knee injury after the game, Like it seems like it's legitimate,
but can you wait like a week to tell us that,
Like after every time they lose, it's like, oh, you

(09:25):
have a finger, wrist and knee injury. It's like just
can you wait like seven days, like five business days
to tell us that you hurt?

Speaker 3 (09:34):
Everybody had an injury, you.

Speaker 4 (09:36):
Know what I mean, Like, we just don't care. I
don't care. Just win the basketball game, you know, I
just I just do not care. And I think a
lot of Lakers fans, any fans, are just like buddy,
we okay, like we we all play a little hurts
sometimes we all like just it's it's it's okay. And
you know, and look, we're gonna have to have months

(09:56):
and months and months of will he retire? Will he
not retire? Look to me, this is just an antic
to get more players to Los Angeles. Look, clearly, Luca
is Luca, right, we know that. But in this series,
continually it felt like the guy that they had paid

(10:19):
to be the third Austin Reeves, just didn't show up,
which I don't Ageah, I don't know if he's that player.

Speaker 3 (10:26):
To be fair, we overrated him a little bit, you know.

Speaker 4 (10:29):
Yeah, you know, because obviously we talk about a lot
of players and whether or not you know, how they
rated based off of you know, how they play in
those posts and moments, right, and it just wasn't there
for Reeves this in this series. He's played better in
another series better, So I'll give him the benefit of
the doubt there, and of course they need some sort

(10:50):
of size. I mean, look, when Gobert has his best
game of his career twenty seven and twenty four, which
we knew the Lakers had problems, they just need size.
Like the Mark Williams trails didn't go through. I thought
it was funny Mark Williams shading the Lakers on social media, like, Buddy,
you play for the Hornets. Okay, Like I'm in Charlotte.
The Hornets stink. Come on, like, let's not do that.
So it's the Lakers just need better players around Lebron,

(11:15):
who it's to your point, is at the point of
his career when you're just you're gonna get some games
where he has twenty seven, but I think ideally he'd
rather play less minutes and score twenty points and fifteen
points and just and just be there for those moments
where you need Lebron to be Lebron and luculd take over.
And so they have to do something this off season

(11:35):
to get better, and they will. I mean I think
they'll they'll be aggressive now they have Luca and have
the opportunity to really build around him, and I think
it's Look, I know people are you know, Nico Harrison,
the MAVs general manager, he slept so much better the
other night because the Lakers loss, and he was right.
He's not right about anything yet. Like, look, Los Angeles

(11:55):
is a star town. Okay, it's a star town, whether
it's the Lakers, whether it's I mean the Clippers now,
but the Dodgers and the USC football, and it's it's
a star town and movie stars obviously, and they the
Lakers find a way and some of these other sports
teams of sort of making sure they're athletes and a

(12:18):
movie stars, like get the best of the best, right,
And I think Luca will find a way to be
in better shape. Okay, I mean it's gonna happen. So
the idea that this is a sort of victory lab
for the MAVs because he looked a little tired into
a series. Come on, we saw we did watch last
year altogether, right like right, Like, come on, Luca got

(12:41):
traded in the middle of season after being hurt. A
new situation, new environment, new postseason for him. He's gonna
go get the best out of Luca. Come on. The
MAVs didn't win the trade last two nights ago.

Speaker 3 (12:54):
No, they didn't.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
One thing I wanted to say is shame on us,
and shame on a lot of the media was always
talk about Lakers lose four games to one. This is
one of the biggest upsets. You know what, the Lakers
didn't lose. I think Minnesota one. Minnesota was the better team.
We don't give them nearly enough credit for I mean,
how many first round upsets do you see something like this?

(13:16):
How many people were picking the Lakers in four, the
Lakers in five and six, even even when they lost
that game early, they said, ah, well a low wooded
in seven.

Speaker 3 (13:25):
We gave Minnesota no credit whatsoever.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
And then Anthony Edwards walking around outside and doing his
victory lap. I thought that was fantastic. I enjoyed that, Jeff,
that was great.

Speaker 5 (13:39):
You know.

Speaker 4 (13:39):
I wonder so when you go to I still call
it Staple Center, right, the Player hotel is across the street.
I believe there was actually a tunnel beneath Staple Center
to get from the hotel to the arenas. I think
he's just walking back through the crowd to the hotel,
because why not. I liked it as well. Look, you win,

(14:01):
you know, to be able to talk your talk so good.
Good for him there. Look Minnesota did they won the
big moments? Right? The Lakers were trocious in the fourth quarter.
I think they scored no more than horrible twenty points
in the fourth quarter. Like, they were just bad in
the fourth quarter. So you know, it was two things
that the Wolves won the last three minutes of every game,

(14:22):
I mean the game. There were games that were close
with three minutes left and all of a sudden and
they got their different ways some ways. The Lakers were
down early and came back sometimes like it was a
big in Minnesota, claud called their way back in those
final three or four minutes. The Lakers just couldn't make
a play and the Wolves made all of the play.
So you're absolutely right. They deserve a ton of credit
for making the plays. They were there to be had.

(14:44):
But I think you look at it and you think
to yourself, the Lakers, I mean they have Lebron and Luca.
They should be making those plays too, Like they what's
the point of having those two players if you're not
going to make the plays under three minutes up? Like
that's the entire point of this whole exercise was to

(15:05):
have those players to make those plays in those moments,
and and you're right, the plays were made by the Wolves, right,
I think there's are all the credit for that, but
it's still fair to question why the Lakers did not
make those plays. You know, I know Reaves, Missus shot
the very end. There there's more to it than just
Luc and Lebron. Didn't you look tired at the end
of those games? But that, I mean, that is the

(15:25):
truth of it, and they got to find a way
next season to not have those same issues.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
I want to continue on the Lakers. I also want
to talk about what Lebron said about Luca. I found
that very interesting.

Speaker 3 (15:34):
Though.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
Before we get to break, I'm just going to tell
you a quick little story. As you mentioned the outside
of Staples or the way it used to be when
I was working in Los Angeles. Jeff, this is the
big I got so much trouble for this. I mean this,
my boss I thought was going to fire me on
the spot for what I did. We were broadcasting from there,
and back in the day, there was no hotels across

(15:57):
the street or anything like that.

Speaker 3 (15:58):
It was a playoff game.

Speaker 2 (15:59):
Against Portland, and everybody that was coming to the game
was watching me do the show.

Speaker 3 (16:07):
Right at Staples.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
I'm behind a glass partition where I think a Starbucks
is now I'm not sure. And I mean everybody there
must have been, like it seemed like fifteen thousand people
watching me do the show before they went in and
we went to break it. I noticed when we went
to break we didn't play the commercials, but you can
still hear my voice if I talked on the microphone.

Speaker 3 (16:28):
So I was kidding around, and I went.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
Welcome to Staples. Game six Lakers Portland deemed out today.
Kobe Bryant broken leg. Oh geez, I could have started
a riot.

Speaker 3 (16:43):
I mean, I could have started a riot. I was
just kidding around.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
I saw people's faces, Like I said, Martians were coming
like like, I don't.

Speaker 3 (16:51):
Know, they were running for the hills. I don't know
where they were going. They were running into the thing.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
My boss called me up, and I really can't tell
you what he said, but it was pretty much stop, okay,
And that's the polite way of putting it.

Speaker 3 (17:04):
Stop. You can't do that.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
The Lakers were furious, to be sure, furious and months
later after the season ended and they won the championship
that year. The following year, in the preseason, and while
they're practicing, Kobe comes up to me and he just
looks at me and goes, broken leg. You couldn't even
give me a hamstring so I could still play. Yeah,

(17:27):
you had to give me a broken leg. And we
just started laughing. So he was that type of guy.
It was pretty funny. I had a good time, but
that was a serious issue back then, kind of.

Speaker 3 (17:39):
Something I probably shouldn't have said.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
All right, Jeff Schwartz, Arnie spat Here, we're sitting in
for the Fellas, Anthony Gargano and Jason Fitz will come back.
I got more waker stuff to get to, and what
Lebron said about Luca just had my head scratching until
I really thought about it. So we'll get to all
that coming up next right here on Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 2 (18:11):
All right, Good morning, everybody, Jeff Schwartzarny Spanier, We're in
for the guys. Action for the Fellas, Anthony Gargano and
Jason Fits on a Saturday morning, third day of may
plenty going on a lot of stories out there, Jeff,
real quick, because we're gonna continue more on the Lakers.
I just want you to know one thing. I remember

(18:31):
this vividly as I was in high school. Jeff and
I both went to the same high school. I was
talking to my basketball coach one day after practice. It
was just him and I sitting there, and Genie walked by,
Genie Buss, owner of the Lakers, and I remember the
coach saying that Gendi, Hey, GENI, did your dad buy
the Indiana Pacers jet?

Speaker 3 (18:51):
And she goes, no, No, he's saving his money for
the Lakers. And I remember me going.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
Who's your dad gonna go buy the Lakers? Genie's shut up, man,
get out of here. And of course it ended.

Speaker 3 (19:04):
Up that way.

Speaker 2 (19:04):
But he was going to buy the Indiana Pacers, and
from what I understand, the NBA owners Jeff voted him
down to buy the Lakers. They said no because they
were afraid he didn't have enough money. And Donald Sterling,
the old owner of the Clippers, stood up and said, Hey,
if he's anything short, I guarantee his money. And of

(19:26):
course Donald Sterling had all the money in the world
back then. He owned real estate up and down the
Wilshire Corridor, Beverly.

Speaker 3 (19:33):
Hills, just on and on and on.

Speaker 2 (19:35):
So they said, well, Donald, if you're going to guarantee
the money, we're all good. And that's where we are
right now, and that's how we end up owning the Lakers.

Speaker 3 (19:44):
So I thought that was interesting.

Speaker 4 (19:45):
You know, there's a lot of stories like that of
owners in the seventies and eighties of sports teams. You know,
there's a lot less of them now because most of
the owners now are gazillionaires. But I mean that's what
the stories were of the ownership groups. I mean, you know,
Jerry Jones didn't have a ton of money when when

(20:06):
he bought the Cowboys. I mean, that's just what it was.
And and obviously you have like modern situations like Frank
McCourt where it went really terrible for the guys that
they couldn't guarantee they had the money. Right. That's the
former Dodgers owner, the really didn't have the money, he
said he had to buy the team. And now that
they just choose owners that are so rich that they

(20:28):
don't have to worry about whether or not they have
the money. And so that's the way it used to be,
right is owners bought teams very over leveraged and and
they end up you know, obviously, because you own a
sports team, you should make money and they end up
making money and uh and obviously you know that's in
you know, the the the the end of that story.

(20:48):
But that's what used to be. Owners you know, got
teams and you're like, I don't know if they have
the money to get them.

Speaker 2 (20:55):
Players would be fighting for every dollar and they and
the owners would be putting up a fight on that.
I want to get to Lebron James. I thought this
was absolutely crazy. When Lebron James said it's not his
job to convince Luka Doncic to sign with the Lakers
and stay with the Lakers, he goes, you know, obviously
Luca's very young. When is he twenty six or something
like that, Lebron is forty, because it's not his job.

(21:18):
At first, that came across as sour grapes. Jeff, I'm like, wow,
what kind of attitude is that? You know you're gonna
retire the next year or two or three at most,
why not help bring in a new generation. It's gonna
be Luca's team. Pretty much maybe from this point on
moving forward, and then I'm saying, is it really his job?
I mean, if I told you you're getting fired, Jeffens

(21:41):
or you know you're in the NFL and somebody's coming
to take your job, can you go ahead and mentor him,
and then once he's come up to speed, we're gonna
cut you. And though that's really not quite the situation
in this one, because you know, nobody's cutting Lebron, but
he is getting to the end of his career.

Speaker 3 (22:00):
Do you find that sour grapes what he said, it's
not his.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
Job to recruit Luca comes across that way, doesn't other one.

Speaker 4 (22:07):
I guess I need to hear the audio of those
sort of how that that tone sounded. But I mean, look,
it's it's it's not his job, right, I mean, his
job is to prepare to play the season and and
do that, and the job of the front office is
to make sure that Luca comes back. So I understand that.
I mean, he's not a general manager, but you would

(22:28):
think because of the relationship he has and maybe the
rightship he has with the team is not we think
it is, which is certainly fair to wonder, right, and
that could be a big part of this is we
think the lightship with the team is this and it's
actually not. But yeah, I mean you would think that
if he enjoyed playing for the Lakers in Los Angeles,
he would try to sell Luca on the vision that,
you know, for the future in Los Angeles. Look, the

(22:49):
Lakers did not sign Luca to let him walk. I'll
promise that now. Of course, maybe Luca didn't doesn't like
the situation in Los Angeles. I think it's fair though,
for everyone just to see how it goes with a
full off season, right. I mean, he was trading the
middle of the season off an injury. Very clearly Luca
felt a certain way about it, right, Like, you know,

(23:11):
it's just he was shocked by this. It's been hard
for him to process. I think the Mavericks decided to
look as player has been. There's always a moment in
your career when you have the first like, oh, this
is a business like a lot of us. You know,
you get you're on a rookie contract and you think

(23:34):
everything is great, everyone loves you and all, and then
you have that that business moment. And Luca had his
first business moment, right, and it takes some time to
process those emotions. And I think we're going to see
a different player next year, with a full off season
to sort of understand the business of it and prepare
to play a little differently as a Laker could.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
Let me ask you this, I used to think that
maybe and the this is kind of you know, maybe
this is a crazy scenario, but everything goes in the NBA.
What happens if Lebron doesn't retire, but he doesn't play
his final years for the Lakers. Suppose he goes to
the NBA and says, I want to own that team
in Las Vegas. I want to be player and owner,

(24:19):
and I want my two kids to play with me
for a couple of games. And is younger kid Bryce
I think that's his name. Yeah, yeah, it will be
available in.

Speaker 3 (24:29):
Twenty twenty six for the NBA.

Speaker 2 (24:31):
Is that a possibility that he'll own the team, play
and play with his two kids or that's just craziness
out there.

Speaker 4 (24:37):
I mean, look, it's certainly and it's possible. I just
don't understand why he will leave Los Angeles. I mean
I get in theory, right, yeah, ownership, but look, there
comes a point in your career where you just become

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comfortable with your situation. And I would imagine that Lebron
probably feels comfortable in Los Angeles. He's been there many
years now, He's wanted to live in Los Angeles and
he's been there, and you know, obviously for business purposes,
it just feels like in this point in his career
he's gonna feel very comfortable just with his routine in
Los Angeles. Is he gonna leave that routine for two

(25:22):
years to play somewhere else? I I just don't see that.

Speaker 3 (25:25):
Just for ownership though, for the Vegas team.

Speaker 4 (25:27):
You know, yeah, I guess, But I it doesn't feel
like in the end, like do you really want to
just again, like do you want do you want your
career to just change to own to own the tea?
You can own a team, I guess anytime. It's my
sort of my point about that.

Speaker 2 (25:43):
Yeah, it might well it might be. You know, they
may say, Okay, we're opening a team.

Speaker 3 (25:46):
Now, so who's first up? Who's gonna want to come?

Speaker 4 (25:49):
I bet you other?

Speaker 2 (25:50):
I bet he's trying to get the money now for
that team in a couple of years, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 3 (25:54):
It's it's hard to put all that together.

Speaker 4 (25:56):
Well, he's not gonna be able to own the team
out right, Like that's just don't know that. So he'll
be part of a business group that owns the team.
So is he even gonna be like the like, what
what type of owner is he? It's like Magic Johnson
owns a lot of you know, quote unquote sports teams.
He doesn't do a lot of the owner. He's just

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he's a figurehead, right, yeah, And that feels like that
could be what Lebron would be for some of this
ownership options.

Speaker 2 (26:24):
Right, Jeff Schwartz, Ny Span, you're in for the guys,
Anthony Gargano and Jason fitz By the way, you get
ahold of us on Twitter at Jeff Schwartz, I'm at
Stinking Genius one. Yes, I still call it Twitter out there.
I want to get to one of my favorite topics.
So everybody talks about this in LA and everybody with
different views on this, and that's JJ Reddick, the head
coach of the Lakers. First of all, I find them

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to be quite nasty on some of these press conferences.
I don't know, it just comes across that he's battling
with the media. But a lot of coaches are like that,
and it's not just him. We've seen Popovich and we'll
get to him later on too, what he does on
those halftime or those interviews between a quarters, and how
nasty he could be. Steve kerr One said, I would

(27:07):
never talk to another person the way I talked to referees.
I would never be that nasty to somebody in real
life the way I am to referees out there. For
first things first, and you played in the NFL, so
you've probably dealt with some lack of better words, mean
coaches out there. Do you have to be so mean

(27:28):
and nasty? And understand maybe to the players, but what
about to the media. And it's constant too over and
over again, and the media battling back, and the media
could be nasty also.

Speaker 3 (27:40):
Jeff Up.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
Not to say they're totally to be blamed to this,
but it seems like the media and JJ Reddick, I mean,
they're just they're every press conference. You just don't know
who's gonna be attacking who out there, you know.

Speaker 4 (27:51):
I mean, look, obviously you would want I think your
coach told be a little bit, you know, less nasty
with the media. As you put it, But obviously there's
back and forth, and it's a long season and there's
gonna be I think heated moments between those two. You know,
I saw some you know of the obviously we've all
seen the you know, the takes of of JJ Redding

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the last couple of days, and part of that is
obviously his interactions with the media. And my only thing is, like,
I don't know, can we give him more than like
a year before we decide, Yeah, if he's a good
or bad coach. Some coaches get fired after a year.
Jeff correct, No, that's too early in my opinion. Like,
I think he did a fine job this season. He

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does need to learn, I think, to be less combative
with the media. You you never want, I think, to
have someone who is combative with the media as a coach,
because you want there to be that working relationship. You know,
the media covers you every day, and you want to
have I think a little bit of professionals in there.
But you know, the coaches that have been more likely

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to feel a certain way about the media, you sort
of have to earn the right to do that by winning.
I mean, like you know, we've seen We'll talk about
pop in a second. But you know, Bill Belichick obviously
famously just sort of corner with the media. You don't
have to earn that right. And you know Reddick obviously
hasn't earned that right yet. He he hasn't been good
enough to warrant you know, any sort of you know,

(29:17):
leeway with the media there. So I think that's part
of it too, is like, dude, like you haven't earned
the right to be this.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
Was head Jeff when when he didn't substitute in the
second half of one of the playoff games?

Speaker 3 (29:27):
Was he in overs that or what?

Speaker 4 (29:29):
Look? Man? Probably? But but I have this right, It's
his first year as a head coach, right, I'm not
crazy there. Okay, you know if this was football, we
would all say like essentially like oh yeah, inexperienced. I
mean we sort of accept that. But for some reason
this is like not accepted. Here. He he made a
calculated decision. It didn't work. But you understand to me,

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it's funny because the game was a game what was
the the game four? When the no, it was game five,
when the when the Mavericks, I mean the Nuggets hit
the hit the Gordon dunk right right? Those Game five?
Remember I think it was. I think it was Game five.
The Nuggets did the exact same thing but won the game.

(30:16):
Where they played they they played, you know, they ended
up playing Yolkis the entire second half of the game.
He did not get his typical break in the third quarter,
and they won the game. And they won the game
because they built a twenty point lead and survived at
the end. The Clippers were going to tear them apart
in overtime, like I had my I was watching the

(30:37):
game live, I had my sports wagering app open, ready
to wager in the Clippers as soon as the number
hit for overtime, like the Clippers were going to win
the game in overtime. The Nuggets were exhausted, but they
won the game, so it was a smart move to
keep him in. Well, the Lakers lost the game, and
it was it was a dumb move, like it just
depends on the results, right, Like the process. I get

(30:57):
the process. The process was, we have to win this game.
We have an extra day off, I'm going to roll
and they had a seven point league with three minutes left,
Like it was working until it didn't work anymore. So
I'm fine with the process. I think it just didn't work,
and he won't learn as a coach next time in

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that situation to probably just play play all the guys.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
Well, you know, it's funny you mentioned that though, because
I'm looking at this right now. I didn't send this over,
but I saw the statistic the Lakers in the playoffs.
With Lebron on the floor, they were minus forty one.
With Lebron off the floor, they were a plus eight.
Do you put much of those plus minus stats to
I mean, they're saying that the Lakers are much better

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without Lebron. I don't believe that for a second. But
you know, it's not all on the coach. You gotta
look at the players. Luca took a bad shot that
he was complaining didn't get back on defense. A lot
goes on the players too in that situation, you know, Jeff, and.

Speaker 4 (32:01):
The plus minus stuff just feels like it was mostly
just when obviously, you know, the game kind of handled
in the game. I'm unconcerned by those things in my opinion,
So no, it doesn't. It doesn't concern me. The plus
minus that, I mean, the end of the game is
most of the plus minus, right, that's what the ron
is playing no, yeah, and you're.

Speaker 3 (32:22):
Right about that.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
And and look, everybody rips on Lebron saying he doesn't
have the clutch gene, and you know, he certainly didn't
put up a lot of points in the fourth quarter.
And I understand that. I mean, that's when he They
need him to shine. They need him and Luca to shine. Jeffer,
we're coming up in the break. When we get back,
everybody talks about how Luca has to get into shape.

Speaker 3 (32:40):
Luca's got to be in the shape.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
JJ Reddick brought up, you know, we have players that
need to get into shape. Is Joker in shape? I
didn't know that is Is he in shape? But he's
won an NBA championship. Shack certainly wasn't in shape. He
won an NBA championship. So is that just a bunch
of hu hah? Well, get into that when we get back.
Jeff Schwartz, Arnie Spanier in for the fellas, Anthony Gargano

(33:05):
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Speaker 3 (33:31):
Jeff Schwartz, Arnie.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
Spanier in for the Fellas, Anthony Gargano and Jason fitz
our One just flying.

Speaker 3 (33:38):
By real quick. Jeff.

Speaker 2 (33:39):
I want to know, because you're a longtime watcher of
the NBA, do you like that they're letting them play
physical back like in the old days, like what the
eighties and the old Nicks in Detroit.

Speaker 3 (33:50):
I like it. I enjoy it.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
I know it's wearing down on some of the players
and they're getting hurt.

Speaker 3 (33:55):
Maybe they're letting too much go to be honest with you,
but I do like the fit is to go play.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
Because you start calling the fouls, then we're turning it
into a free throw contest, and that's really the last
thing we want to see.

Speaker 3 (34:08):
I like that they're letting it get physical a little bit.
What do you think.

Speaker 4 (34:11):
I think all we want is consistency defficiating.

Speaker 3 (34:15):
Yes.

Speaker 4 (34:15):
So if you want to call it physical, call it physical.
If you want to call it more wide open, call
it more wide open. So we want two things, right,
We want consistent and I think we want our stars
to play right. So you know, we don't want to
start if you're gonna go super, we're gonna call every foul.
We don't want to stars.

Speaker 3 (34:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (34:34):
Yeah, But so there's a fine line. I think as
long as you're consistent the entire series.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
Which is a better way, TICKI tech or let it
go like this crazy, you know.

Speaker 4 (34:44):
I mean, I think more people probably want offense more
wide open, but again, we don't want offense, you know,
with the fouls, So both things, it goes both ways.
Right where we we want I think we want the middle,
which is kind of a cop out answer. We like
the middle right, would like I think a situation where
you know, it's a fun game to watch, but not

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one where every fouls called, uh, and not one where
it's so physical you can't even watch the game. So
I think sort of both apply there. And I've been
fine with it. I haven't really been one and thought like,
hey man, more fouls need to be called. I'm okay
personally with them, letting you know, let him play a
little bit there.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
Well, they a long time ago. I think when I
was doing radio in Phoenix, Arizona. We're going back twenty
five years ago or whatever. I remember the NBA and
probably a lot of people don't know this. The NBA
is going to use one preseason game and I think
it was involving the Suns. That's why I remember it
so vividly, where they were going to call it a
little tighter, you know, hand checks and see how the

(35:43):
way the game came out, and they told the revs,
you know, call this a little tight. Let's see if
basketball is better if they you know, back off, we'll
have more offense. Was people that want to pick up
fouls so they won't hand check. They went to the
line like eighty to ninety times in the game.

Speaker 3 (35:58):
It was a.

Speaker 2 (35:59):
Dis The NBA said, well, now we know, well that's
gonna work out.

Speaker 3 (36:03):
Let's just go back to regular.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
So it's it's really tough to call it so so
strict with the hand checks and stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (36:10):
You have to let it go.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
Back in the day, Jeff, sometimes they would you know,
you can't hand check, and they would call that.

Speaker 3 (36:15):
But then it got to the point where hands part of.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
The ball, everything goes and you know, no blood, no
foul and you know Bill Ambier with the permanent black
high and stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (36:26):
Those were the days, Jeff, you know what I mean,
those were the good old days.

Speaker 4 (36:29):
I think I think we want in the middle ground.
I think I think it's it's silly to want a
game to be so physical that players can't get shots off.
And and it's you know, it's in the you know,
the high nineties, and I think we would like a
game where, you know, it's not the opposite where a team,
as you mentioned, has a bazillion foul shots. There's a
fine line I think between both of those. But also
to like, look, the later series gets, the more tight

(36:53):
teams are gonna be, and so you're going to see
more I think, more of this where games are lower scoring.
With two game sevens coming up there, they're totally these games.
I think it's two oh four and two oh two,
like those are low scoring. It just it's gonna be
lower scoring a season goes on, because guys get a

(37:14):
little tighter, the role players stop playing as well. In
these tight moments, the stars have to pick it up,
and so you just generally see tighter game tighter games.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
No, And you're right about that, and that's what we
want to see. At least we're having a couple of
Game sevens in the NBA. I was thinking we weren't
even gonna get any in the first round. At least
we're gonna get a couple of those. So I'm excited
to get to get to that. My knicks are gonna
be taken on Boston. We'll get more into that in round.
In the next hour. I just wanted to ask you
about Lukup and getting into shape. I think it's kind

(37:45):
of crazy that you could play, let's say a forty
minute game. I know it's forty eight, but let's say
you play forty of the minutes or thirty five to
forty of the minutes night in and night out. You've
got practice and you still have I don't know, baby
fat or a little bit around the stomach. Are we
making too much of his physical about him in shape?

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How much do you have to eat to keep up
that shape after you're playing so much basketball and exercising
so much.

Speaker 4 (38:11):
You know, the the A lot of the European players,
I mean, I think none of them have six packs
like they like like they just like it's just what
they're they're bail. I don't the thing about Luca we
watched we all watched him last year. We we saw
him drag a team to the NBA Finals by playing

(38:36):
well at the end of games. We know we can
do it this year. Maybe he spent the off season
partying too much.

Speaker 3 (38:42):
We bought it up in the press conference and something.
He needs to get in better shape.

Speaker 4 (38:48):
That's fair to say. But it's not like he was.
He's that far away from being in playoff shape. Like
it's very It's just, hey man, we spend a lot
more time in the gymnos off season. It's not like
he doesn't have to stop.

Speaker 3 (38:59):
In the shape. You know, It's not like he's in
great shape.

Speaker 4 (39:01):
He's not a model, right, You can be in good
shape and not be a supermodel looking like body obviously
doesn't isn't wear down the end of games.

Speaker 3 (39:11):
I mean, he's not taking his shirt off any time
in public.

Speaker 4 (39:13):
A lot of the two. I think he just has
to do with better defense. I mean, there's look signs
that were in better shape, and I think part of
it is defense and the end of games. Even before
the postseason, Lucas would score a ton of points in
the first quarter and they just not have the same
points horn ability the end of games. That's all that
that I think we're saying here.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
No, and you're right about that. And we'll see how
he comes into shape next year. I'm always curious about
that and how it plays out and what the Lakers
moves are gonna be. We'll see how we're going to
get to Giannis. Also, that's going to be the big
offseason move there. Where's Johanna's gonna go?

Speaker 4 (39:48):
Yeah, Jeff, Yeah, I mean, look, obviously Joannis and uh
and you know, uh and and Luca will be fun. Yeah,
I feel that feels nearly impossible, but it would be interesting.

Speaker 3 (40:01):
It'd be great.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
Right our one of the books just flew on by.
We're gonna shift gears a little bit. We've got some
NFL stuff to get to the Sanders situation, and we're
not talking about shaduor we're talking about Shiloh.

Speaker 3 (40:11):
We'll get to that.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
All that's coming up next year on Fox Sports or Radio.

Speaker 1 (40:21):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
Oh, good morning, everybody, Good morning, good morning, Jeff Schwartz,
Arnie Spanier. We're in for the fellas, Anthony Gargano and
Jason Fitz on this Saturday morning, third day of May.
Hour one just flew on by. We got a lot
of football to get into. But as I brought this
up an hour number one, Jeff and I both went

(40:44):
to the same high school, just at different times. I
am just slightly older than Jeff. I mean we look
like the same age, but I am just slightly older
than my buddy Jeff Schwartz. Here Jeff, I was looking
at famous alum and there it is Mitchell Schwartz, Jeff
have Schwartz, No Arnie Spaniards. So I used to be
on the famous alarm. But as more and more people

(41:06):
became famous. By the way, did any famous people go
to school when you guys went to school? And with
me it was of course Steve Kerr, Genie Boss. We
had a lot of volleyball players that went on to
get gold medals and played for Team USA, Penelope and Miller,
who was an actress.

Speaker 3 (41:25):
You may have heard of her.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
So we had a lot of people when I went
down there to school. Any of them were famous when
when you were there, or you know we're going to
be famous.

Speaker 4 (41:36):
I don't think so. I have looked. I've looked before
at the list of famous alam. I mean, I think
there were some there at the time, but I don't remember.

Speaker 3 (41:50):
You don't really remember them.

Speaker 4 (41:52):
The lmfal guys, I think we're there at the same
time as me, But I don't remember much of of
you know, many famous people. I mean it just I
don't know. I wasn't cool and I don't know. I
wasn't cool, Like, I wasn't a cool kid. I didn't
hang out with like cool people. I just had my
little group of people. I played sports. I didn't go

(42:12):
to parties and hang out.

Speaker 3 (42:15):
Well, here's here's a funny story, you like.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
Jeff jj Abrams, the director, the screenwriter of the Star
Wars guy went to Palisades High School. And do you
remember an English teacher by the name of Rose Gilbert.

Speaker 4 (42:28):
Yeah, yeah, she was taught for Sam Gilbert.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
Yes, Sam Gilbert's wife who used to was tied in
with UCLA. I don't know if you know this, but
JJ Abrams took her class and Rose Gilbert had these big,
big glasses, you know, the round glasses.

Speaker 3 (42:44):
And that's how he came up.

Speaker 2 (42:46):
With one of the characters in Star Wars was because
of the way Rose Gilbert is. This English teacher looked.
I don't know if you know that, but it's if
you put in Rose Gilbert and Star Wars, you'll see
the character that was created because of her big round
glasses out there.

Speaker 3 (43:00):
I thought that was pretty funny.

Speaker 4 (43:01):
You know, Wow, you actually such a Rosey Gilbert Star Wars.
That's that's incredible. Yeah. So, yeah, she taught English at
Pally and very a lot of it. She actually paid for.
We have like a full Olympic swimming pool at school,
and her donation to the school. Sam Gilbert very famously,

(43:22):
you know, you know he basically was was n I
L before it was you know, there's rumors. It's all rumors,
right somehow, somehow, you see, I got every best player
for fifteen years in a row undertood and winning it helps,
of course, but you know, they got every best player.
They all had nice stuff, all had nice cars and

(43:44):
lived in nice apartments in Westwood, and they all had
nice stuff, which of course I'm I'm pro paying the players.
So that's they were able to do that while they
were in college. But yeah, so I don't know that
I'm to see right now. Yeah, that's that's pretty funny. Yeah, look,
I don't you know I I don't remember. Man, I
look at the list right now.

Speaker 3 (44:04):
None of them are crazy.

Speaker 4 (44:05):
Are our age? I mean, were what about.

Speaker 3 (44:07):
Will I am? Isn't he your age? Or no?

Speaker 4 (44:09):
No, I haven't graduated Pallly in ninety three. I graduated
in oh oh.

Speaker 1 (44:15):
Three oh four.

Speaker 4 (44:16):
I graduated four wow.

Speaker 3 (44:18):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (44:19):
But part of it two is like I'm I turned
I turned thirty nine this year. A lot of people
aren't really famous by thirty nine. Like in the list
of people that are on the line, a lot of
them are get famous, you know, a little later in life. Yes,
so they would be I don't think on this list
quite quite yet. But yeah, I mean there's there's a

(44:42):
lot of uh yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
They The reason why Forrest Whitaker's famous, the actor is
they filmed Fast Times at Ridgemont High at our high school.
And I remember this because they I guess the story
was they went up to Forest and said, hey, would
would you like to be in the movie? And He's like,
come on, dude, look at me. I got what I
or what there? I'm not the best looking guy. They're
go like, what are you doing after high school? Because

(45:04):
I'm going to UCLA to play football. And I think
Jay Strader, our quarterback, was also going to UCLA and
they go, well, we could pay you, you know, I
don't know how much it was back then, ten thousand
or twenty thousand.

Speaker 3 (45:15):
He's like, oh, I'll take that, you know.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
So he came up with a character you'll see the
p on his letterman's jacket for Palisades High School.

Speaker 3 (45:23):
He did it, and he said to them, hey, I
think I could do this.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
Acting stuff for a little bit if you got any
more things. And I think what turned around his career
is at OPRAH put him in what the color purple
or something like that, and his career really took off.

Speaker 3 (45:36):
And now look at him now, he's just phenomenal.

Speaker 2 (45:39):
He's just an all time Academy Award winning actor and
funny comes from Palisades High School. So I love looking
at and stuff like that and seeing where the people
are now and you know how they came through and
what they were like in high school and stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (45:53):
So good for him.

Speaker 2 (45:55):
Jeff, Let's get to some football, my friends, because everybody
was talking about Sanders. It was chadeur Sanders and what's
he going to do and how he was taking mccleveland
just summ that up. What did you think about him
going in the fifth round? Did it humble him?

Speaker 3 (46:11):
Do you think?

Speaker 4 (46:12):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (46:12):
And will he make the team?

Speaker 2 (46:13):
And I saw something like in the last twenty five years,
there's only been two quarterbacks picked in the first round
that didn't start sometime during their first year. Is he
going to start? How's it going to work out for him?
A lot of questions about what's going to happen that
should and I know that he's I don't I don't
know the exact wording, but that he's tied into a

(46:36):
Canadian Football League team now just in case he wants
to go play up in the Canadian League.

Speaker 3 (46:41):
So what do you think is gonna happen to Shadu Sanders?

Speaker 4 (46:43):
There's as much chance of me playing the NFL again
as there is for him to play Canadian Football League.
So it's not gonna happen.

Speaker 3 (46:51):
Right.

Speaker 4 (46:51):
Where do you want to start with this? Because there's
so many different ways to go.

Speaker 3 (46:55):
I just what how's it going to play out for him?

Speaker 2 (46:57):
Is he going to make the team? Is he going
to start? And what'd you think of him going in.

Speaker 3 (47:01):
The fifth round?

Speaker 4 (47:02):
Okay, so let's start the end there. Right now, we've
had a week to process this, and obviously we don't
have the information that the NFL insiders have and worked
as sort of repeating things that we've been told, right,
a lot a lot of it, yeah, yeah, and and whatnot.
So very clearly the Sanders team thought that he was

(47:28):
going to be a top quarterback taking in the draft,
not campboard, but certainly number two right for right, and
they approached the process with that in mind. And you know,
it's kind of a life lesson, I think, just to
maybe always approach anything with your best foot forward and

(47:50):
not assume things are going to happen. Right, There's a
lot a lot of assumptions were made. And the one
thing that that I that I have a question about.
I have a couple of them, but one is like, so,
Dianon Sanders knows people in the NFL. He worked in
the media, and no one just like privately was like, hey, man,
here's what I'm hearing. Like, no no one just called

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him up.

Speaker 3 (48:12):
I was like, that's a great point.

Speaker 4 (48:14):
Like, no one, no one just sort of was honest
with him, because look, very clearly they were sort of
even even in sort of the pre draft process. Just
from the media side. Okay, there's two camps of sort
of draft people, right. There is the camp of forward
facing television people that talk about the draft, right, and

(48:35):
a lot of those people were much higher on Sanders
than others, right. And I think that to do with
the backlash you receive if you say anything bad about
about Sanders or.

Speaker 3 (48:46):
Colorado, because I agree, like, you know, there.

Speaker 4 (48:49):
Was I've covered Colorado for years, I did packtwe of radio,
and anything anything negative you said about Colorado was just
amplified so much more on social media. You're this and that.
You called names, and it.

Speaker 3 (49:03):
Became everybody called you, even other hosts called out being
like that.

Speaker 4 (49:06):
It became not even like fun like it just became
it became miserable talking about Colorado because anything you said
negative was used against you, right and whatnot. And and
so with that backdrop, I think a lot of media
people that are forward facing, right, the TV people, they
just you know, they mel kipert Sander's fifth on his
big board, not like not a fifth, Like even the

(49:30):
most ardent supporters of deals of sure Sanders will tell
you that he's not the fifth best player in this draft.

Speaker 3 (49:35):
Right.

Speaker 4 (49:35):
So then and then there were sort of the film
people that I that I follow on social media, and
they all had sanators like the thirtieth best player in
this draft because they're not worried about the backlash right
that you were received not having him in the top
five or ten or fifteen, and there was so there
was a big difference there. And now even those.

Speaker 3 (49:54):
People, but nobody had him in the fifth round. Correct,
that's crazy.

Speaker 4 (49:57):
Correct, Obviously Obviously it's the.

Speaker 3 (50:00):
Reviews, though the interviews is what killed him. Well who
has that? But God? Who has that attitude?

Speaker 4 (50:04):
Though?

Speaker 5 (50:04):
You know?

Speaker 4 (50:05):
Well, right, so this is sort of a broader discussion,
right about just sort of always putting your best foot forward, yes,
no matter the situation, in a job interview essentially, and
the Sanders group approached this process like they were untouchable, right,
and like they were going to be a first round
pick and that and that the selects few teams that

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had the option of drafting him were going to take him.
And I understand a little bit of that because it's
such a quarterback driven league that sort of no matter
how you look at it, you you know, you get
drafted much higher than you I mean, even cam Ward.
Cam Ward is not the best player in this draft,
but he's a quarterback and so you value that position

(50:47):
more than other positions exactly. So all those things I
think line up to But I think the most surprising
thing a week later is that no one in Dion's
life was like, hey man, it's it's not what you
think it is, and well can I she had that?
No one was able to tell him that. I'll give
you one. I showed this the other day. I'll give
you a snippet of my interaction with shir Dear Sanders. Yeah,

(51:10):
and I think this is a small window into maybe
some of the interview process with him. Again, this is
a one interaction. It doesn't mean more than it is.
So I go to PAC twelve Media Day back when
there was a PAC twelve and now I've been the
Big ten media day to cover them for radio, and

(51:30):
the way the process works in the media day, there's
twelve coaches. Obviously there's twenty four players, right, this is
the way PAC twelve did it. Twelve coaches, twenty four players.
One day. Okay, from like eight am to five pm
long day, we're on radio. There's a radio row there.
I'm doing National Sports radio, College sports radio. It's a
lot of fun during that day, and we interview all

(51:53):
thirty six people, right, twelve coaches and twenty four players,
two players a team, And as you can image, it's
a pretty hectic process, right, you have a schedule. It
almost never follows the schedule by the sids. The sports
information directors who are in charge of sort of the
day for each player and coach work with us. Right.
So let's say, you know, you're supposed to come over

(52:15):
at nine thirty, and we're busy, and the interview hasn't
ended yet, and they just were working out. They all
come back. We never missed anyone. Okay, everyone does the
show with us because there's a respect level there, right,
Like you have just five minutes, seven minutes. Like I
remember Tick Kelly one time he moved. He went to
the very end of the day to did the show
with us. He's becoming nine, and it just didn't work out.
But we all get I've never missed an interview of

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any player or any coach. And so we get to
Colorado the first year there in the in the in
the in the PAC twelve and look, they were certainly
thinking about leaving, you know, they announced I think they
were leaving the PAC twelve just briefly after packed to
media day. So it comes time for Shadur standers to
come over and talk to us. It's like mid afternoon,

(52:56):
and by mid afternoon, the schedule is just a skew,
like it's just a complete mess. So he he goes
to sit down with us, and the person he's with
is not the Colorado s I D. It's his own
media person. And he says, you know, they said to us, hey,
he's got he's got one minute with you guys before
his next thing. And our boss was like, no, that's

(53:18):
not the way it's gonna work. Let's figure out a
way to make this work. We can have to have
him for the full segment. Now, I'm I'm sitting most
of the players end up saying next to me because
the way our situation was set up, and so my
head sets off and I'm just sort of waiting to
go back on air, and he sits down next to me.
He's on a FaceTime call, Wall Wall he sits. So

(53:42):
he sits down on this call. Our boss is talking
to his person about about sort of how this is
gonna work. Can we reschedule? Can we figure out time
to do this, and Santra just gets up and says,
I'm not doing this and leaves, Oh good, in the
middle of the discussion.

Speaker 3 (53:56):
And you're a lot a lot of stories like that, yeah.

Speaker 4 (53:59):
And so, and they just left and again like one story,
small story. Travis Hunter, by the way, was like the
best ever. He sat with us for one segment. We
told we were like, hey, you know, you know, good
talking with you, Travis, pat too radio, be back in
a few minutes. We just went to break. He just
stayed with us for another Actually he's like no one

(54:22):
was there to take him anywhere else, and we're like, dude,
you don't have to stay, and he goes, I'll stay
with you guys talk ball for our fifteen man. He
shouldn't a funy story about someone throwing up. It was
like it was a lot of fun and like one story,
what one one's happened one time to us? One story
first time in like five million days, has ever happened
where a player just like decided I'm just not doing

(54:43):
this interview because I don't I don't know that. Our
producer and not our producer, but our boss and his
guy were sort of like arguing back and forth about
how this should go. But he was on a FaceTime
call during like when he's supposed to be with us,
Like what if we just said, hey man, okay, we're
back now, and would he don't? It just was it
was it was a feeling of I'm above this process.

(55:05):
I get it, and I look, I get it. You
don't want to do media. I'm I understand, it's a
it's a long days, the long process. You don't want
to be there, You're leaving the conference anyways in a week, Like,
I'm I understand that side of things. But I think
it's just sort of the the attitude of sort of
I'm better than all of this. And that attitude apparently

(55:30):
showed up in a lot of his interactions with NFL people.
And the thing about the NFL the process and whether
it's right, wrong or indifferent. Okay, whether you agree with
this or not, you you have to show respect to
the process, and and you you have to come into
the workouts and and and and and and the interviews

(55:53):
with an excitement to want to do this, okay, And
and I from the NFL side, they spend so many
hours okay with the draft, right the scouting the players,
the film review, the go into the events. I was
talking to a buddy with the Panthers heading into the

(56:14):
pre draft process a couple weeks ago. I'm like, what
are you guys doing. He's like, We're there from like
eight to eight. So we're watching film the entire day
of all these guys. And I'm not saying you should
they sign up for the job. They know what they're doing, okay,
but these guys eat and breathe and live football. They
miss family events. They so when a player comes in
in the process and doesn't love football like they do,

(56:39):
it's offensive to these NFL teams absolutely, And again I
want to make it very clear you can have outside interest,
but you sort of just have to fake it during
the process of this interview with the National Football League,
and any agent will tell you the number one selling
point of this process and you have to You have
to tell teams you love football, eds to show them.

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There were knocks of players in his draft wide receiver.

Speaker 2 (57:05):
For Arizona that said that he doesn't watch tape. Then
he changes his mind and tonight it was funny that
the Panthers end up drafting.

Speaker 3 (57:11):
Who's a great wide receiver.

Speaker 4 (57:12):
By the way, I think it's gonna be good. The NFL,
so like these are just like little little everything adds up,
right when your film is not the best ever, and
then you add in these other things. And again, I
think that the Sanders family or whoever was advising Dion
and chadur just misread the situation. And it's unfortunately. I

(57:34):
think Sanders is not a fifth round talent. I think
he certainly can be better than that. So we can
obviously come back and talk about where I think, you
know how he's gonna play one now. But it's just
a small story and it's just sort of how might
one interaction with with him, And if that's the way
that some of the meetings other meetings went, I can
see what NFL people just were turned off by it.

Speaker 3 (57:54):
I agree with you one hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
And just so our listeners know, all the athletes, most
of them at least, don't want to do interviews like that.

Speaker 3 (58:02):
They do so.

Speaker 2 (58:03):
Many and I'm not talking about when they finish the
game and they get like thirty seconds with the you know,
odd court reporter where they go good win way to
come from behind and they get to leave, you know,
you're talking five to ten, mostly ten minutes each time.
I want you to know something, just to compare it
to the Sanders story you just told. When I was

(58:23):
working in LA and of course you can't go to
the players. You got to go to the sids, You
got to go to the people that work for the teams.
I went to the Lakers and I said, hey, this
is not fair. I know I'm a Knicks fan. I
know people like to make fun of me for not
being a Laker fan a little animosity, but you know,
you know we cover the Lakers.

Speaker 3 (58:41):
We're there.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
I'm on the road trips for the playoff games. I
gotta have Kobe on the air. I gotta have them
at least once, and I gotta have Shotgun once. And
it's not fair. And the guy said, I'll do see
what I can do. And guess what Kobe came on
couldn't have been better. I think we had about twenty minutes.
Guess what Shock came on wouldn't have been better. I

(59:02):
was working for Network and I and we were very
popular up in the Midwest, and I went to the
Green Bay package I said, I got to have bred
Farva on.

Speaker 3 (59:09):
It's not fair.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
You've had him on other networks, gotta have him on.
Guess what, Brett Favre came on. These guys don't want
to do interviews like that. But when these Hall of
Famers could come on my little show, yeah, Sanders could certainly,
you know, have a little time.

Speaker 4 (59:25):
But it wasn't. It wasn't. It wasn't he didn't come on.
It was it was how right, it was just like
Seve really second there was a dispute. It was like
I'm out here and it's like right, like, let's work on,
let's figure out of time to do this, because again
it's important. You just got to the Pac twelve, like
we're excited to interview you and talk to you. And

(59:45):
you know we also we also we never got Dion
in like two years, never really maybe a year. Yeah,
I never only coach we ever interviewed.

Speaker 2 (59:55):
He was on the network I used to work for
in Chicago and never got it was.

Speaker 4 (59:59):
Never we interviewed every We interviewed every coach.

Speaker 2 (01:00:03):
Really, that's funny because I talked to him in the
airport and he couldn't have been more accommodating.

Speaker 4 (01:00:10):
It's not it's not that's not Deon's fault. I just
that's probably the people in charge. I think getting him
on would have been great. I think he would have
been great on the on the on the show. He
just never we just never. We never got him on unfortunately.
It's just that he didn't do much. Uh maybe it's why.
Maybe he didn't like the way that they went down

(01:00:31):
to mean, I don't know, but we we never got
him on unfortunately. Look quickly, I Dion is so good
for business. The idea that like, you can hate Deon
Sanders because he's he is who he is. Come on, man,
he is the best dude. We talk Colorado every day
on our radio show. It's the best for business. Why
would we not like someone like Dion.

Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
I agree with you one matter of fact. When we
come back, I want to know how far you think
could go. And I want to talk about Dion's other kid,
because there was a video posted yesterday and I was
shocked about it. So we're gonna get to all that.
We got some more NFL coming up. All that's next,
of course. Jeff Schwartz, Arnie Spanier, We're in for the fellas,
Anthony Gargano and Jason fitz right here on Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 6 (01:01:17):
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Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
All right, good morning everybody. Jeff Schwartz, Arnie Spanier. We're
in for the fellas, Anthony Gargano and Jason fitz on
this Saturday morning, third day of May. Any by the way,
any summer plans going anywhere and the vacation plans out there, Jeff?

Speaker 4 (01:01:42):
For what I mean? Yeah, we have my kids go
to camp for a month, so we will camp hopefully,
my wife and I'll do some some fun down and
we have to make a Vegas trip I think for work.
Oh nice, but yeah, I know it's uh, it's me
here soon. I mean obviously, you know, school ends, Uh
were in public schools, we don't until like June tenth.

Speaker 3 (01:02:04):
Ouch. Ouch. That's horrible, man, that's terrible.

Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
That's the way it was like when I went to school,
we didn't finish till June. But then we didn't have
to go till I believe what after Labor Day, we
didn't have to go back till like September or.

Speaker 3 (01:02:16):
Something like that. I was it was just way too long.
I mean way June.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
That's just way the way too far to start your summer.

Speaker 3 (01:02:24):
There's no doubt that I'm going to the.

Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
Dominican Republic in a couple of weeks, so I'm looking
I'm looking forward to that never been so yeah, yeah,
hopefully it was. What's one of those all inclusive resorts
so I can eat.

Speaker 3 (01:02:36):
And drink all I want and not have to pay.

Speaker 4 (01:02:38):
So you've already paid.

Speaker 3 (01:02:41):
That's trews, that's true.

Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
But at least you know, I could just bring me
three meatball sandwiches and I'm there.

Speaker 3 (01:02:48):
I've set there. I want to go ahead and get
to back to Dion's kids.

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
You saw the video, actually, I sentioned it was all
over social media. Uh, Antonio Brown ran some routes against
Shiloh Sanders and he was just cooking Sanders.

Speaker 3 (01:03:03):
I mean it wasn't even close.

Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
It looked like a NFL player going up against the
high school kid, had him twisting and turning every which way.
Why did Antonio Brown post something like that, especially when
I'm sure that was probably meant to be kept a secret,
and especially him cooking Sanders. I thought that was kind

(01:03:25):
of in poor taste and are people thinking Sanders is
an NFL player, but not the way he looked in
that video, that's for sure.

Speaker 4 (01:03:32):
Well, it seems like there's a feud between Antonio Brown
and maybe Santa's. I think that he's just he's just
trying to to just know, attaching to himself. I mean,
Antonio Brown's social media feed can be quite interesting. I
think that's that feels like that's all that was.

Speaker 3 (01:03:51):
To be Hilo play in the NFL. Do you think
he's an NFL player? No, he's not gonna, don't think.

Speaker 4 (01:03:55):
I don't think he did. He sign a mini camp
contract with anyone. I don't think he.

Speaker 3 (01:03:59):
I don't think.

Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
Yes, he might, didn't have bucks, Yeah, Tampa Bay, there
you go.

Speaker 4 (01:04:06):
Yeah. I don't think his son is gonna play much
in the NFL. He had trouble he could. It was
tough in college at times.

Speaker 2 (01:04:14):
I mean, Randy Moss's son signed a free agent contract
with Minnesota.

Speaker 3 (01:04:20):
He was a Division two player.

Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
So I really can't see him, you know, hooking up,
especially when you get he didn't even play Division one,
so you know that that that didn't even happen for him.
How far do you think, sure, duer will go. I
asked you, do you think he's going to make the team?
Is he gonna make the Browns? Are they gonna go
with two rookie quarterbacks and one's just gonna be inactive
during game day and they'll be like on the travel

(01:04:44):
squad or practice squad or whatever they want to call it.
Or will he end up being a starter? Will he
get playing time? I mean, what's what will happen to Shadura?

Speaker 3 (01:04:52):
What happens if he gets cut? Will he have to
go to another team?

Speaker 4 (01:04:55):
Yeah? I don't think he's gonna get cut. I feel
comfortable with that. To be honest with you, I don't
think he's getting cut, especially not now. So it's really
interesting because you know, if you would have like reordered
this and you would have said to yourself, Hey, you know,
we have a situation where Sanders are drafted ahead of
Dylan Gabriel, you've been like totally totally chill with that

(01:05:16):
idea obviously, right, But it didn't. It didn't happen that way,
and so it feels a little funky in the order
they were drafted. So you look, you understand how a
practice works, right, So the starter is gonna be. I
would imagine there's going to be a battle between Flacka
and Kenny Pickett for for the starting for the starting reps, right,
who's the starter? The loser of that probably gets released,

(01:05:38):
is my guess.

Speaker 3 (01:05:38):
I agree, I think it gets released.

Speaker 4 (01:05:41):
So now the question becomes, obviously, how do Sanders and
Gabriel get reps? Because you could easily make the case
that Sanders is better than Dylan Gabriel. I think we
sort of agree on that, but he was drafted behind
Dylan Gabriel, So the Browns are telling you they think,
at least in the draft, thought higher of Gabriel than Sanders.

(01:06:03):
So you would think, again, just logically, that when reps
come out, it's sort of Flacco, Pickett, Gabriel, Sanders. So
Sanders might end up being the better quarterback to Dylan Gabriel.
It's again totally fair to assume that, but early on
he's not going to get the reps to make that

(01:06:24):
happen in my opinion, unless he comes down in mini camp.
And look, I've watched Jill Gabriel play for a year
as an organ fan. Dill Gabriel is gonna be fine
in practice, Like nothing's gonna alarm you and tell you like,
you know what. I don't think Gabriel can play. I
think he's small and probably not great for the NFL game.

Speaker 3 (01:06:41):
Last year he would have been undrafted free agent. How
he correct but he's.

Speaker 4 (01:06:44):
But he's going to practice well like so there's not
gonna be in my opinion early in training camp for
the Browns like, Wow, Sanders is that much better than Gabriel,
We're going to give him the reps instead of instead
of Gabriel. So I think it's going to take time
for Sanators to basically earn playing time, but I think
he will. I think he won't some point, but it

(01:07:05):
won't be early in its training people that he's gonna
come in and be be out don Gabriel because he's
better than him. He is better than him. But will
the Browns give him the opportunity to do that because
of the way they drafted those guys. You know, if
you're assigning reps in training camp ormerly in mini camp
right now, again based off the draft, you would put
Sanders getting reps last of that group because of where

(01:07:29):
you drafted him.

Speaker 2 (01:07:30):
If it was a preseason game coming up this weekend,
and I told you, Gabriel and Sanders, we're gonna split
time half the game each and your wife goes, let's
go out to dinner. You're gonna say, no, I want
to see Sha Door Sanders playing that preseason game. I
think ratings would be through the roof if they had
him as a starting quarterback for half. People want to

(01:07:51):
see absolutely, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:07:54):
The Browns like in the preseason World NFL Network Game one.

Speaker 2 (01:07:57):
Oh, absolutely absolutely they're gonna get There's a lot of
people that want to see what he could do. There's
a lot of people that want to watch Brown's preseason
right see what he's gonna put up there, which is by.

Speaker 4 (01:08:09):
What was is why there was some trepidation about drafting
a player like Sanders to be a backup at first,
because look, the idea of distractions, Like, I know, people
think it's sort of off putting. I think to mention
distractions when it comes to the National Football League and

(01:08:30):
why teams don't like them, Well, what does it matter here?
Here's why it sort of matters. Let me explain, like
the distraction part to you. Yeah, so let's say you're
you're your Miles Garrett, okay, and you know you're it's
it's obviously the workouts, it's training camp, it's the season,
and uh, do you want to be asked about, sir Sanders,

(01:08:50):
your backup quarterback every day? No, it's like, you know,
you don't like That's what it is, right, It's that
like every time an older player is talking, they get
asked a question about the backup quarterback, and that that
is one form of distraction. The other format, obviously, is
things aren't going well, people are wanting the backup quarterback

(01:09:13):
to get to get playing time. And again that's fine
iss in a vacuum, the backup can be. But it's
just it's a lot of just constant noise about the
backup quarterback, and teams don't like that. And I get it.
I'm not saying someone's right or wrong on the situation,
but I get why teams trying to limit distractions like
that because this not great for team morale. But again,

(01:09:35):
I think Brown's got a supreme value here. I think
we all agree. I don't think Sarah is the best
quarterback prospect. I think he's certainly better than the fifth
round talent. So there's a lot of of potential here
for Sarah's to overplay his to overplay his draft slot
and the Browns get a lot of value in the
addition of him, and you know, to their team.

Speaker 2 (01:09:55):
Will Dion be a problem during the regular season, you think,
or is he going to be so busy with Colle
Dorado that he doesn't have time to really, you know,
get involved and say what he wants to say, though
I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:10:06):
I guess gonna keep what do you like? What do
you consider a problem?

Speaker 2 (01:10:09):
I guess the question They they need to play Shaduur
more and they wouldn't be zero and three if if
Shaduur was the starting quarterback something like that, I guess
or what.

Speaker 3 (01:10:19):
I don't think he's gonna say that, though.

Speaker 4 (01:10:20):
I would hope that, I have faith won't do that.

Speaker 3 (01:10:27):
I agree with you.

Speaker 4 (01:10:28):
He's a former player himself, he's head coach himself. I
don't think he wants to bring that on his son.
I I don't so I would say that that that's
not gonna be a problem.

Speaker 2 (01:10:41):
I don't think it's gonna be a problem. Also, but look,
I haven't remembered a time like this where we've had
to deal with so many I guess fathers, you know,
because their kids are are playing I mean, uh, we
got to deal with Lebron's kids, Dion's kids, Hala Burton's
father or how about that? That was kind of crazy.

(01:11:02):
I I mean, that was insane out there. It seems
like we're dealing with a lot of people's uh.

Speaker 3 (01:11:07):
You know, family when it comes to sports nowadays.

Speaker 4 (01:11:10):
You know, look, I mean you you just a lot
of these you know, well, the players that that we
grew up with are having kids now. Obviously that's partly
why we have that way. But also look, I don't
know if it's uh, I think there's there's just more

(01:11:32):
access to seeing what is happening. Like Hollyburn's father, right,
for those who missed it, Jez, they the Pacers beat
the Bucks last second shot by by Hollyburn and his
dad who supposedly is on the court every game to
say hi to the posing teams players.

Speaker 3 (01:11:50):
I guess he he.

Speaker 4 (01:11:51):
Got in the face of of Giannis and right too
right and taunted him and again like John is better
man than I am. I would have it would have been,
you know, we would have had some.

Speaker 3 (01:12:00):
Words that could.

Speaker 4 (01:12:05):
Like that. You honest seem to handle it very well.
He did, And I wonder like this just not happened
before cell phone cameras. You know. I think part of
it is just there's so much access to like seeing
these things now that we get to notice them more often.
And I don't know if they actually happen more often,

(01:12:25):
but you know, the players now there's also you know,
like an empowerment eras as people say, like players, I
don't think their parents weren't allowed to do these things
now teams just say all right, cool, like you that
wants to be in the field after the game, like
all right, like whatever, man, you're in charge. Now there's
a little different it's a little different vibe now. I
just don't think that was either it didn't happen as

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much and was not accepted. We maybe not didn't see
it as much, but just wasn't really part of of
the of the fan experience here.

Speaker 3 (01:12:55):
And the other way too, like when Lebron stared down
stephen A.

Speaker 2 (01:12:58):
Smith too, you know that was that was insane, That
was kind of crazy out there.

Speaker 4 (01:13:03):
Yeah, you just is your port like you didn't get that.
That wasn't part of you know. But also you know,
the Steve Nasmith is a is a personality. You know,
we didn't have those type of people in the sports media.

Speaker 3 (01:13:18):
No, no, not at all, that's for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:13:20):
All right, of course, Jeff Schwartz, already, span your in
for the Fellas today.

Speaker 3 (01:13:24):
We're gonna come back. I want to get to a
dual Carter.

Speaker 2 (01:13:27):
He'll get a number, right, He's not going to be
like a question mark on his jersey.

Speaker 3 (01:13:31):
Sure, we'll get to that.

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Speaker 3 (01:14:10):
Good morning, everybody. On this third day of May.

Speaker 2 (01:14:13):
Abdual Carter of the New York Giants, drafted by the
New York Giants. He's gonna be a rookie he was
picking his number, wanted to wear Lawrence Taylor's retired number
fifty six. LT said no, no, it's not going to happen.
Carter needs to make his own way with his own number.
Then people brought up, well, what about number eleven, which

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is of course retired for Phil Simms.

Speaker 3 (01:14:38):
Phil Simms was fored. He's like, yeah, I don't mind.

Speaker 2 (01:14:41):
But then I guess phil Simms family out voted and
he won't get number eleven.

Speaker 3 (01:14:47):
Jeff Schwartz, what's in a number? My friend? Is this
a big deal? Is this a big story? Shitting?

Speaker 4 (01:14:51):
I missed the phil Simms family part that they vetoed
the number.

Speaker 2 (01:14:54):
They vetoed the number, so he won't be able to
wear number eleven either. Now Phil was saying with it,
but I guess the family members said no, no, no,
you can't do that, Phil.

Speaker 3 (01:15:04):
So Phil said no, so he's not gonna wear number eleven.
What's in the number? Jeff? What I mean? You played it?

Speaker 5 (01:15:12):
Was it?

Speaker 2 (01:15:12):
Is it that now you've seen players pay thousands of dollars, yeah,
to take somebody's number, and that's not the case.

Speaker 4 (01:15:19):
Really, I think it's super I think it's little bit superstition.
But wow that he Philismon's family said, no, interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:15:26):
Why why does that surprise you? You did?

Speaker 4 (01:15:29):
You think he because it's because it's it's I think
it's his decision whether or not he gives up his
jersey number. Now of course, you know, you know, I
get it. Look, Lawrence Taylor essentially said like, make your
own like, make your own number.

Speaker 3 (01:15:44):
Kind of said the same thing too, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:15:45):
Absolutely, Like his thing was like, that's my number. Become
a legend in your own number. And look, I get it.
I understand, totally understand like his thought process behind that.
I by the way, I like, I like them Michael Parsons.
Parsons like he number eleven. I like that. Abdul Carter
feels this confident right that he wants to be Lawrence Taylor.

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But I actually love Lawrence Taylor's response, which is like, dude, like,
you know, create your own legacy with total with your
own number. I love it. So I'm a big fan
of him saying that essentially to him. And you know, again,
number is a lot of superstition. It's it's a lot
of it's what I grew up you know with, Like
I think Will Campbell for the Patriot has an odd

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not a odd number, but sixty six is not a
popular but he's had his entire life. He's going to
keep that. In New England, I saw who Mason Graham
for the Browns fifty five. There was a video of
him like meeting the equipment manager in the Browns and
obviously fifty five is taken by one of their centers,
and then he won a ninety five. Obviously, can't have

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that camp back. That's Miles Scartt like do people just
they have the number they like and that's just what
they want to wear their entire career. I was seventy
four for most of my career except I was seventy
six one season with the King, my worst season ever.

Speaker 3 (01:17:09):
So you're never gonna wear seventy six.

Speaker 4 (01:17:10):
Oh no, I hate hate the number. No, I hate
the number. So, I mean that's so it's a it's
a superstition. It's like it's a so I don't know
what he's gonna wear until Carter's gonna wear. But you know,
number one, I think it's taken. If you want to
be number one, I mean there's just a lot of
choices are taken. But again, making your own thing, right,
and so I'm curious what ends up happening with that.

(01:17:31):
I'm surprised Phil sims family said. No. That does surprise
me because well, you.

Speaker 2 (01:17:35):
Know what, what what happens if Carter becomes a Hall
of Famer, then they want to retire that number who's
retire is going to be Phil Simms and Carter's number
retired or what you know, because.

Speaker 4 (01:17:44):
It's a good point. I didn't think a bit like that,
but I it does still surprise me a little bit
because I didn't think families were I mean, Phil Sims
is still alive.

Speaker 3 (01:17:53):
I left.

Speaker 4 (01:17:54):
I checked. And normally it's essentially made by you know,
a family member who has passed. Someone else of their
state is making those as for them.

Speaker 3 (01:18:01):
You know, you know what the best number is, but
it's been out lawed.

Speaker 5 (01:18:03):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:18:03):
I don't know if you know this, but in baseball,
and he only played one game, I believe it was
a gimmick thing. Uh and you can't say the word anymore.
But he was a little person and he played one game.
His name was Eddie Goodell.

Speaker 4 (01:18:17):
Yeah, and he was No.

Speaker 2 (01:18:19):
One eighth, one eighth, Oh boy, he was. He was
only about like three feet tall. He came up to
bat for the White Sox to draw a walk is
what his only goal was to do.

Speaker 4 (01:18:32):
It feels like something like the Savannah Bananas would would do?

Speaker 3 (01:18:36):
Have you been to Savannah Banana?

Speaker 4 (01:18:39):
So I have not. I will in a couple of
weeks to come to Charlotte. My family loves Savannah Manna
as they've been three times and we we've entered the
lottery for tickets. We've entered the lottery for tickets multiple
years now. We have tickets this year to like seven
different games all over the country. I don't know if
we're going to keep all of them. But we had

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two nights in Atlanta they wet one night. We have
Charlotte and Yankee Stadium. We have tickets Yankee Stadium with
tickets to the one in Seattle. Wow, my kids do
they love it. They love it. It looks a ton
of fun. It's two hours. Obviously, it's entertainment. It's different
way to watch baseball. They play real baseball like it's
the kids. The kids very much enjoyed it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:19):
I saw one of the fans catch a foul ball
and it was the last play of the game, and
that counts asn't out.

Speaker 3 (01:19:27):
Yes, that's the game for them.

Speaker 4 (01:19:29):
If you catch the ball in the stands, you you
it counts as it out.

Speaker 3 (01:19:32):
Yes, that's fantastic, is it not?

Speaker 2 (01:19:34):
They just they it's kind of like the Harlem Globe
Trotters and they really, I mean eighty one thousand of
Clemson think about that. That's insane. That is that's marketing.
That's that's what it's all about, Jeff. You know what
I mean, that's that's the way to get it going.
That's unbelievable. I love it too, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:19:51):
It's it's it's a dude, it's a great concept. I'm
glad it's working out. And yes they are selling out
football stadiums cheez, which I mean, it's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:20:02):
It's it's unbelievable, and they they have done a great job,
all right, Jeff, two hours or in the books the
power Hours coming up next, will come back reset. I
want to go ahead and get into some of the
other series in the NBA. We got some more NFL
that gets you also, and talking about being in shape,
we saw a picture of Travis Kelcey, so we're gonna

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we're gonna get to that story also.

Speaker 3 (01:20:26):
That's kind of interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:20:27):
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Speaker 3 (01:20:59):
He's Schwartz. I'm already spaniard in for the.

Speaker 2 (01:21:02):
Fellas Anthony Gargano and Jason fitz on this Saturday morning.
Jeff over under fifty, over under fifty. I need a
number here of when you were in high school you
ditch school to go down to the beach and hang
out at the Pacific Ocean. Over under fifty, probably under it.

Speaker 4 (01:21:21):
But I would just go ditch and like get lunch
and like in the village or like go to fiesta
feast like I wasn't. I didn't really ditch to the beach.
I just go eat because I go eat Snattie. You know.

Speaker 2 (01:21:32):
I remember I ditched first period, which I had drama,
and I would go to mort Stelly, which was an
icon back then up in the Pacific Palisades, and me
and my buddies went to mort Stelly and I looked
over and the teacher that was teaching the class was there, Like, Okay,
I guess we're not visiting a whole like them a
lot today.

Speaker 4 (01:21:50):
So yeah, I would just ditch like we used to have.
It was the afternoon period. It's like we used to
be able to leave campus for lunch, which yes, feels insane.
They just would like, let you leave. I don't think
so anymore. They let you leave and then just like
accepted you come back.

Speaker 3 (01:22:06):
I guess, hoping, hope, hope, I just come back.

Speaker 4 (01:22:09):
I just wouldn't come back. I don't know, like what
I mean. They let you literally take your car if
you had one, and leave campus for lunch and try
to like yeah, I just I just would never come back.

Speaker 3 (01:22:21):
I know.

Speaker 2 (01:22:21):
It was like for in forty five minutes we'd have
to drive somewhere, get something to eat, and come back.

Speaker 3 (01:22:26):
Who would ever make it back on time? You know?

Speaker 4 (01:22:28):
So I just happened to be stuck in traffic or
my order didn't come through. I just would stay out
of that, don't come back for practice.

Speaker 3 (01:22:34):
Yeah, and we were talking about Palisades High School.

Speaker 2 (01:22:37):
Both of us went to Pali High You graduated what
two thousand and four and me two thousand and three.

Speaker 4 (01:22:43):
I think, so they're good.

Speaker 2 (01:22:44):
I'm kidding, I'm kidding up back in the eighties, my
friend eighty one, we.

Speaker 3 (01:22:50):
Had a lot of famous people. I didn't even bring
it up.

Speaker 2 (01:22:52):
Like Katie Sagal, I went to Pacific Palisades High School
and all kinds of actors and actresses. I was looking
at list earlier. It's absolutely crazy. I can't think of
another high school that had so many, you know, great
and interesting people that went there. It's just absolutely nuts.

(01:23:12):
A lot of them were back in my era too.
You know a lot of the volleyball players, and you know,
we had a lot of actors. Peter Delouiz, I don't
know if you remember him. Don Delauiz's kid was an
actor back in our days. So anyway, just a lot
of fun going back in the old palis Ades thing.

Speaker 3 (01:23:28):
Of course, they were hurt by the fire.

Speaker 2 (01:23:31):
Fifty percent of the school burned down, and they'll go
ahead and move down to the down the Santa Monica
until they rebuild that. But it's good to see that
they're keeping things moving out there. All right, I want
to get back to some sports. It is the power
hour of the show. Greg Popovich no longer going to
be head coach of the San Antonio Spurso be what
president or that's his official title, be president of the

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team overall? Is pop And I hate to do the
Mount Rushmore thing? But is he right up there? Is
he a great coach? Did he just benefit, you know,
from David Robinson and Tim Duncan noticed he came back
to coach once he got those guys and he's like, yeah,
I think I can coach with these two guys out there.
And should we judge him based on all the snarkiness?

Speaker 3 (01:24:17):
I guess is the word I'm looking for?

Speaker 2 (01:24:19):
You know when you see him on TV and he
gives those one word answers and then people are going
to hold his political view against them also because he
made it so well public.

Speaker 3 (01:24:29):
Is all that fair? Or do we just judge him
on his coaching ability?

Speaker 4 (01:24:33):
I mean, I think you judge him on everything, But
I think first and forth, he want he's a coach.
He doesn't want his coaching ability. He doesn't want his
ability to create championship teams. And look, plenty of rosters
have great players, they don't win championships. He won championships
with multiple different iterations right of rosters. Obviously he had.

Speaker 3 (01:24:51):
Never pieces, never back, sure, but back.

Speaker 4 (01:24:53):
To back is not as often as we think either.
By the way, what was the last back to back
NBA champion? It was the Warriors Gurrant team. Was that
the last one? I think? Probably? Yeah, So back to back,
winning back to back championships is difficult. It doesn't happen
very as often as we think in sports, by the way,

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And so I again, he won with you know again,
a lot of the teams sort of had the same
you know components, you know in in uh yeah, the
Warriors one went back to back in seventeen and eighteen.
You know, a lot of you know, his team sort
of had some of the same components, but also you know,
different different Kawai was a you know, champion, m VP

(01:25:39):
of of one year. Kawhi wasn't there the first couple
of years. It was Duncan and Robinson. It's a different
So to me, I think Pops the best coaches ever,
very clear, and I think also it's important to note
that when when your opponent and the way people talk
about him is very glowing, is important, right because you

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know a lot. I think those people will shoot you straight.
They don't have to tell you a nice things about Papovich.

Speaker 3 (01:26:09):
Does Kawhi Leonard have glowing things to say about Popovich?

Speaker 4 (01:26:11):
Remember they had that does Colin have glowing things about anybody?

Speaker 2 (01:26:14):
Well, that's true, but remember he that's the reason why
he left. Papovich said he's healthy in a way, and
and Kawhi Leonard wasn't gonna play and ended up leaving
San Antonio. That's that's one marriage that certainly didn't work out, Jeff,
that's for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:26:26):
If you could ask players, you know, I mean certainly.

Speaker 4 (01:26:30):
But I think that we're judging him off of one
player not liking him. I think that's the wrong way.
I think he's one of the best ever. Look, would
you have liked him to treat the silent reporters better? Absolutely?
That would have I think been been a positive. But
I don't think that changes much of how I feel
about him as a coach.

Speaker 3 (01:26:45):
Is he on the Mount Rushmore?

Speaker 2 (01:26:46):
I mean, you got Red r back, you got Pat Riley,
you got Phil Jackson. I guess Greg Popovitch right there
the fourth or the best of out there or you know,
right right.

Speaker 4 (01:26:57):
Right, Steve has got to be included in that probably right?

Speaker 2 (01:27:02):
Oh not yeah, no no not not not even coach
yet not him?

Speaker 4 (01:27:06):
And don't him and pop the same amount of championships?

Speaker 3 (01:27:09):
Uh? Popovich has four?

Speaker 4 (01:27:13):
Right? The four each He's got five time champions occurred
one behind yeah, behind Pop. I think Court's got. I
think they got four right, the works have four championships.

Speaker 2 (01:27:21):
Wells more obviously if you're get to throw in the
playing ones too.

Speaker 4 (01:27:24):
Yeah, he's got. He's got five champions as a player
and four as a coach.

Speaker 3 (01:27:28):
Pretty well, wow what you might be right up?

Speaker 2 (01:27:31):
But I don't think he passes Popovich on the coaching.

Speaker 3 (01:27:34):
Scale though, I don't. I don't, not at least I
don't think he.

Speaker 4 (01:27:37):
Again, Pop has done it for longer. I mean, his
first championship was ninety nine. His last championship was in
uh in fourteen, So wow, you know he's had a
run there. I look, I don't know who's on the
mount rushmore of coaches. I think Greg Popins is showing
to be considered on that on that Mount Rushmore. Also,
when you consider, you know, some of the international coaching

(01:27:59):
he's done as well as uh as you know for
the the US men's basketball team, is important to the discussion.
And so yeah, I think Pop's one of the best obviously,
you know, I think you hope he would treat solar
reporters with a little more respected times, but that's just
what he was. Look the political stuff, man, again, you
know it's not for some people. I I probably would

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lean Tory Green with with what Pop said a lot
of times, but you know that's not really for me
to say. I don't think I want my coaches sometimes
to be that outspoken, but certainly has the right to
do so, right, and it should not affect the way
you feel about a coach in my opinion, right, I mean, look,
Nick Stabman just spoke before Trump commntioned speech of Alabama.

Speaker 3 (01:28:42):
Yes he did.

Speaker 4 (01:28:42):
It doesn't I don't change the way I feel by
Nick Saban because because you know the type of coach
he has made.

Speaker 2 (01:28:49):
But isn't there a difference between making a statement like
that at a at a conference like that and then
saying something like Steve Kerr and Popovich does at a
postgame press conference.

Speaker 4 (01:28:58):
Well, there's a time of there's a time of place
for obviously, But I'm talking about more about the the
like the idea that a coach can be political. I don't.
I don't change my opinion about a coach because of
their political stance. I don't. I just I feel I'm
unbothered by those things. I mean, would I would? I
like if I if a coach that I agreed more

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on some stuff, I guess I don't know, But it
doesn't change my opinion on any of the coaches because
what political party they support.

Speaker 3 (01:29:26):
Some people would disagree with YA on that something.

Speaker 4 (01:29:28):
Well, of course they would. I get why they would,
but I I just.

Speaker 3 (01:29:35):
A lot of people would be like that, Yeah, sure.

Speaker 4 (01:29:37):
Again, I I agree with more with with what more
what Papa has said that maybe we wouldn't exaem it
agrees politically, but that doesn't it doesn't change my view
of the coach themselves. And so that's you know, the
point is, like, you know, does politics politics play into
my my my thought process when it comes to him
as a coach. And my answer is.

Speaker 2 (01:29:57):
No, if And I'm going to move on from this
just one thing, moving out from Popovich because we're talking
about great coaches out of here, and I started thinking
about this. If the Lakers had had a coach like
Phil Jackson back, or a big time coach instead of
a JJ Reddick who was coaching in his first year,
would the Lakers have been eliminated in the first round
where they've been tossed to the side the way they

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did four games to one. I find that hard to
believe if Phil Jackson was the coach that something like
that would have happened to him.

Speaker 4 (01:30:25):
You know, probably not, but they're probably not winning the series.
They just they're just really yeah, I mean, dude.

Speaker 2 (01:30:33):
They were big favorites, Jeff, they are big favorites to
go ahead and win this series.

Speaker 4 (01:30:36):
There had twenty seven and twenty four.

Speaker 3 (01:30:39):
That's crazy, that's insane.

Speaker 4 (01:30:41):
They had no big men. Would have changed, would have
changed the way they closed out games? I don't think so.
Maybe game four, but they did. Couldn't close out Game
five either, or game or Game three, like it's it.
I don't know if a coach would have made a
difference in the overall result of the series. Could have
been more games, sure, but the Lakers had deficiencies and

(01:31:03):
the Wolves were able to coach, you're not coaching take
advantage of those.

Speaker 3 (01:31:07):
So you're not.

Speaker 2 (01:31:08):
You're You're not one of the people in Los Angeles
blaming JJ Reddick.

Speaker 3 (01:31:12):
Like everybody else, he's.

Speaker 2 (01:31:13):
An experienced He shouldn't have played the starters the whole
second half.

Speaker 3 (01:31:18):
You know, he is an experience.

Speaker 4 (01:31:20):
That that that that is a fact he is. This
is his first time in the in the playoffs, right, Yes,
he's inexperienced.

Speaker 3 (01:31:26):
Right, and that might have cast him down the stretch.

Speaker 2 (01:31:29):
But you might be right where they weren't gonna win
the series against Minnesota. Minnesota earned that series. They deserved
that series. The Lakers, you know, nobody gave them anything.
They just not played Los Angeles.

Speaker 4 (01:31:41):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:31:41):
In that whole entire series.

Speaker 4 (01:31:43):
They they played them, They played them most often. Wuldn't
matter at the end of games that the Lakers were fine.
I mean Game four, they were winning for most of
the game and then they lost at the end. Game
five that they got blown out, came came all the way.
But I mean they were INDI these games for most
of the game and a lot of them, and they

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just couldn't finish.

Speaker 2 (01:32:05):
With the Lakers being eliminated, now and that really hurts
the NBA because the Lakers make everything move, they make
the needle move.

Speaker 3 (01:32:13):
What happens if it's Oklahoma.

Speaker 2 (01:32:15):
And I brought this up with Chris Plank. He hates
me for this because he's in Oklahoma and he just
rips me for it every time I bring it up.
Cleveland and Oklahoma City the least watched NBA Finals in
the history of the NBA.

Speaker 4 (01:32:28):
I mean probably it probably, but look, here's the deal.
I'm a sports fan. I'm gonna watch it anyways. Okay,
course of course is the NBA ratings discussion is so
interesting to me because you know every year at the
end of the year, there's always that graphic on social media.
It's just like one hundred most watch events of the year. Okay,
seventy five are football, twenty two or basketball, and three

(01:32:50):
are like the Oscars and a political debate. Okay, Like right,
even though the NBA might not get the ratings it
wants or the eyeballs it wants for the NBA Finals,
it's still the second most watch product in all of
the country. And you're right, looks, okay, see in Cleveland
really sell nashally like Lakers, Boston absolutely not, but they are.

(01:33:11):
If you're a sports fan, you will enjoy watching Cleveland.
Okay see play.

Speaker 2 (01:33:15):
Okaye had sixty eight wins. That's like one of the
best regular season win basketball.

Speaker 4 (01:33:20):
Cleveland man sixty four. They're the one seed, by the way,
in the East. I think we all think Boston is right.
The Calves are. The Caves have looked incredible, so if
they look better than Boston in the first round of playoffs,
Boston could be sort of sand back in it a
little bit right now. But and then they're not as
healthy as the Calves are, so it'll be a legit.
Okay see uh will be a fun series, but yet

(01:33:40):
nationally it's not. It's not Lakers. No, it's not Celtics.
The NBA didn't catch a break. But Lakers are out
and the Warriors might be out after Game seven, who knows.
But you get you get Nick Celtics, which obviously is
very Northeast but very two very big brands to a
historic NBA brands play each other in what I would

(01:34:02):
I think it's gonna be a pretty fun series. That's
good for the NBA.

Speaker 2 (01:34:06):
It's good for the NBA. But what bothers me is
I wanted to go to the Knicks game. What was
a game five? Wait, yeah, game five in New York
and the price to go to the game. You add
up all the other NBA games that were playing, and
they didn't come up to the price of the one
New York Knicks ticket to get to the game.

Speaker 4 (01:34:26):
Good luck, good luck of this series, buddy.

Speaker 2 (01:34:28):
Oh gee, it's gonna be see. And they talk about
how the fans, how some of these arenas are not
electric in places like New York and Boston because they
say the regular fan is priced out absolutely, and these
are all the superstars, these are all the rich people
that just want to be seen, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:34:44):
Do you see the game last night? Looked like he
was playing at More in San Frcraisco. There was I
don't think I've ever seen the energy lesson an arena
for a close out game like that place last night.
I don't know if you were able to pay attention
to it looked dead and right last night. It's vera
rightshow and obviously like it's not Oakland anymore, where the
team used to be. It's a very corporate crowd. But

(01:35:07):
there are some places that I think rise above that
I think feel like in Boston. The fan base. I
feel like, you know, ad the enough Staple Center. Late
Lakers fans are pretty good in those big, those big moments.
LA fans are good in those big moments where the
crowd is really into it. But I think in sports
homeful of environments less and less now college sports really matter.
I think pro sports, home field, home court, home ice.

(01:35:31):
We'll see now we've got a game seven in hockey
tonight feel less important ever before.

Speaker 2 (01:35:37):
Oh, you're one on that. I mean, I mean college
it's everything in the world. You can get upsets of
twenty point underdogs and stuff like that. It seems like,
you know, you work all hard in the regular season
in the NBA, the NFL, the NFL, it makes a
big difference. But the NHL. Then you lose one game
and you know, six months down the drain get the

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number one seed. But you wanted to get a whole
court advantager, correct home ice advantage.

Speaker 3 (01:36:04):
It's it's insane.

Speaker 2 (01:36:06):
You mentioned the Celtics and the Knicks, though, I mean
that's what the NBA needed. Though the Knicks zero to
four against the Celtics. One game did go in the overtime,
but I believe the other three. Celtics dominated them. But
this isn't like number one against number eight, this is
two against three. I think Knicks could put up a
better effort. They're playing really good basketball, right That was
a great game six that they had against Detroit.

Speaker 4 (01:36:26):
You know, well, the thing about Boston is just how
healthy they are, right Like it is Drew Holliday gonna play.
He makes a huge difference for what that team can be.
You know, how healthy is Jilan Brown? I mean there's
questions I think about health there. Right If they're healthy,
the Celtan they are healthy favorite there might have seven
hundred right now to win the series. I mean, they're
still a healthy favorite. The Knicks, I think to me,
like you know, Cats was just consistent game to game,

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which is hard to sort of have your second best
player be that consistent. Brunt is gonna give you allways
got obviously, But the Celtics I think can throw again.
If jew Holiday's healthy, you throw jew Holiday at at
Brunson and you just try to swam down a little bit.
I can't believe that the Pisses just didn't double Brunson
and just say someone else beat us, anyone but Brunson Brunson,
You're not beating us anyone, which is what you know

(01:37:12):
the Rockets did. They blitzed Curry last night. They blitched
them all serious and Curry still still went off, but
it took him a long time to get in a rhythm.
I'm just surprised that, and I think Boston will just
sort of send guys over and over and over again
at Brunson and just make someone else, you know, make Bridges,
who's again sort of been yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:37:29):
But I was just about to say Bridges had twenty
five points, he was eleven and sixteen shooting, and that
the only reason he missed five shots was three were
from three point range. And Onnobi had twenty two points,
so that the Knicks are really.

Speaker 4 (01:37:42):
Well if you get yeah. But Bridge also had a
game where he had eight this series, like if you
can get yes, if you again, this is the thing
about NBA playoffs. He actually two games with eight points
in the series. Which is wild, is that if you
if your role players gonna score twenty five points like Bridges,
you're gonna win most every game. You just all. I
know that it came down to the very end there,

(01:38:03):
but I think if you're in Boston. You say we're not.
Brunton's not scoring forty on us. That's not gonna happen.
We'll let someone else try to get forty points. If
we limit to brunt into twenty a game, are enough
players around him gonna score enough points? And so far
in the series, they've been up and down, and nobody's
been probably okay for the most part. It's again, can

(01:38:27):
cat play well? Not not follow?

Speaker 2 (01:38:31):
Oh he had ten points, hey, Detroit. Detroit was up
by seven. Yeah, with about two plus minutes left in
the game. That's like a ninety chance of winning the
game when you're up by seven.

Speaker 4 (01:38:42):
Yeah. They just didn't even at the end. I mean,
the shot Brunston hit was fair. I just don't know
how you give them that much room. Well, he's better
move on him, you know, I know, But you have
to send a second player him, Just make anyone else
shoot the ball.

Speaker 3 (01:38:56):
You got to take it out of his hands.

Speaker 2 (01:38:57):
You're right, especially when he had thirty seven at that
point and he was just toasting everybody.

Speaker 4 (01:39:02):
Good man.

Speaker 2 (01:39:03):
He certainly didn't want to Yeah, he didn't want to
go to a game number seven. There's there's no doubt
about that. And they still won even with Towns only
having ten points. It goes to show you when they're
playing basketball like that. I think this Lakers Nick series
actually be his Celtics next series gonna be.

Speaker 3 (01:39:18):
A lot closer than people are expecting.

Speaker 4 (01:39:20):
You know, again, the injury thing for Boston's real, Like
Jew Holiday is so important to what they do. Oh,
he's a guy you know, like uh, you know, I
don't even know what he averages, like twelve, you know,
six and six like that, But the defense man is
so they run the offense to him sometimes. It's so important.
And so I am sort of again curious to see

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the health of him. And if he is healthy again,
this series feels a lot different. If he's not, it's
gonna be a probably little little tougher I'm looking at
it right now. I mean, Holiday is you know, he's yeah,
he's it's the postseason, not the regular season. You know,
he's a guy that you know, it's you know a lot. Yeah,
having points and four rebounds and four assists, that that's

(01:40:03):
what he is. And but it's a defense and just
the vetter of leadership is so important from him.

Speaker 2 (01:40:08):
All right, when we come back, let's take a look
at the other series. Also, we got a couple Game
number sevens. We love Game sevens. He's Jeff Schwartz. I'm
Arnie Spanier in for the fellas, Anthony Gargano and Jason
Fitz right here on Fox Sports our Radio.

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Speaker 3 (01:41:25):
Radio Network, So it was good to hear that. Jeff,
real quick before I get to the other NBA series.

Speaker 2 (01:41:31):
I wanted to bring this up as we were talking
about being in shape and stuff like that, and I
probably should have brought this up earlier. Desmond Watson from
the University of Florida. He got picked by the Tampa
Bay Buccaneers. He used to weigh get this, four hundred
and sixty four pounds. Oh yeah, he's now down the

(01:41:51):
four thirty seven. He lost twenty seven pounds. I don't
know if you saw that story, how do you play
it for sixty four? How did they not get him
into shape before then? And really, I think they said
that's the heaviest anybody's ever been drafted that that that's incredible.

Speaker 4 (01:42:08):
Right, He wasn't undrafted FRA agent, So I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
They end up signing The Bucks interestingly signed him as
undrafted for agent, and I think they drafted Ted Johnson,
Organ's wide receiver at one hundred and fifty four pounds,
so they have the heaviest and the smallest player. Wow. Look, honestly,
and I I hate to just sort of say this

(01:42:31):
about a college player, but it's account of self accountability, right.
You know the team will to do so much for you.
You have to be able to eat correctly, essentially off
the practice facility.

Speaker 3 (01:42:45):
Yea, that means you're eating everything is bad correct.

Speaker 4 (01:42:48):
And so like it's in college, I got a little heavy.
I was. I was a little I played in NFL
about three thirty five, three forty year in college. Got
to three seventies a sophomore now around what I played.
I've always been this big. I was just picking in

(01:43:09):
high school. It was three hundred fifty five pounds when
I showed up to Orgon without even lifting weights. It
just always this big. And I played three sports in
high school. I've been active whatever. So I gained thirty pounds.
I was not happy with it, and we had no one,
an organ to tell me to do different. We didn't
have a full time nutrition It's back then. It's a
different time than now. There was no real post practice

(01:43:32):
smoothies and tailored meals, all those things, and so I
just decided one off season I had to lose weight,
and I just did it on my own. I didn't
know how to do it. I basically came home from
school and workouts every day at I don't know, six
seven o'clock and went to my gam my apartment complex
and worked out again. And I just figured out how

(01:43:53):
to lost thirty pounds by myself gone off season. You
have to just do it yourself sometimes, and for him
to make those those life changes, it's trd I love
to eat. Trusting me, It's like I struggle with it
all the time where I'm just hungry. I want to eat,
and sometimes it's head hunger. It's not just actual it's
not physical hunger. And you have to be able to

(01:44:13):
sort of push through that. So hopefully now that he's
in the NFL, he's able to sort of find a
way to make sure that to keep his weight down
on his.

Speaker 2 (01:44:20):
Own, he's got to lose like one hundred more pounds, right,
He's got to be at way.

Speaker 3 (01:44:24):
You can't lose one hundred pounds like that.

Speaker 4 (01:44:28):
Probably it's probably gonna have to lose one hundred pounds
to play.

Speaker 3 (01:44:31):
What to have this guy that you played like, was
it will Vince Wolf?

Speaker 4 (01:44:35):
Yeah? Him or Casey Hampton.

Speaker 3 (01:44:37):
Maybe the fridge refrigerator, Perry was pretty big.

Speaker 4 (01:44:41):
I'm not that old. No, the fridge I know, but
the fridge wasn't that big though, he wasn't.

Speaker 3 (01:44:47):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (01:44:47):
That thing about it is that is that he wasn't
that big. He's like three hundred pounds. It's just for
that era, he was.

Speaker 2 (01:44:56):
Huge, right right, right, It's it's just amazing because we're
talking about, you know, getting into shape and here's a
guy that's four hundred and sixty four. Never seen that before.
Matter of fact, I think I sent you a picture.
It's making the media rounds.

Speaker 5 (01:45:07):
All.

Speaker 3 (01:45:08):
Yeah, he was.

Speaker 4 (01:45:08):
He was six three I'm sorry looking at that's what.
I don't know what refrigera was six three three thirty,
which is not that's big for that era. That's not
anything now you'd be like, oh, yeah, that's like a
that's a guard like that's I mean, you know, Vitavea
is probably what six three three fifty. I mean wow, yeah,

(01:45:28):
he's and he's nimble and moves well, I mean yeah,
six four three fifty like that. It's not that's not
big big for then? Was it not big for now?

Speaker 2 (01:45:40):
Did you see the pictures of Travis Kelcey making the rounds?
Does he look fat to you? Does he look out
of shape? I couldn't tell you. He was worrying, like
this big white sweater that that covered him. I don't know,
maybe it showed in his face or something, but he
didn't look that much bigger. I don't know how people
could tell they're making such a big deal about it,
you know.

Speaker 4 (01:45:57):
I think people try to find ways to be haters,
and it's uh, lox chuck, that's May third. The first
game is four months from now. That Traviser forgot the
way to be in shape and to be fair me
for me, like round is a shape too, Yes, that's fair.
Not for Travis.

Speaker 3 (01:46:14):
Travis.

Speaker 4 (01:46:17):
Look, man, he he lived a different life than the
rest of us. He's earned that life, obviously, why he's
being a Hall of Famers. He's obviously his his his
girlfriend is the most famous woman maybe on the planet. Like,
he lives different life the rest of us, and so
I think he enjoys that life a lot. And part
of the life I think I would imagine it's eating
some really good food a lot of times, you know, uh,

(01:46:39):
and it's okay. You know, look old you get obviously,
the harder it is to keep your figure. I'm unconcerned
about Travis Kelsey. That feels like a guy did not
worry about whether or not he's in shape on May third.

Speaker 3 (01:46:53):
Yeah, they're they're my neighbor. By the way.

Speaker 2 (01:46:54):
I don't know if you know that there are money. Well,
they're really four hours away.

Speaker 3 (01:46:58):
I live in Vermont. They live in Maine.

Speaker 2 (01:47:00):
So Travis Kelsey and Taylor Smith really. Yeah, she has
a place in Maine that's like a castle.

Speaker 4 (01:47:09):
They're like the furthest way from anyone else.

Speaker 2 (01:47:12):
Yeah, it is gorgeous, Jeff, it is unbelievable. It's right
there on the water. You can't like, you can't access
her through the water. It's total privacy, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:47:22):
What I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:47:22):
You can't run into her on the beach or anything
like that.

Speaker 4 (01:47:25):
So yeah, you're probably not going to catch me much
in Maine. I have enjoyed. I did it. It was
in Portland for a couple of days doing a food.

Speaker 3 (01:47:33):
Show once Partland Maine you're talking about.

Speaker 4 (01:47:36):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's uh, it was nice. And I
was also there like in the Nice Party the year.

Speaker 3 (01:47:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:47:41):
It's it's gorgeous out here in the Northeast, and more
and more people love coming.

Speaker 3 (01:47:45):
Yeah, you were in Oregon.

Speaker 2 (01:47:48):
It's not like it's a hotbed up there, you know
what I mean?

Speaker 3 (01:47:50):
It's that's true, that's true.

Speaker 2 (01:47:53):
Oh, we got a couple of Game sevens though, the
Clippers and the Nuggets later on tonight, that series tied
in three games. Apiece been already entertaining. Denver is going
to be at home. They're only a point and a
half favorite. So what they're telling you is, I mean,
it's it's a it's a coin flip game. Clippers probably
the better team on a neutral four Clippers probably a
point favorite at home. Clippers probably about a four point favorite.

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Who do you like in this game?

Speaker 3 (01:48:18):
Who you're rooting for?

Speaker 2 (01:48:19):
Who's the team you'd like to see advance? I guess
the Clippers would probably be a better story than the
Nuggets advancing right now?

Speaker 4 (01:48:26):
You know, so you are from Los Angeles, Yes, I'm
from Los Angeles.

Speaker 3 (01:48:31):
Well, originally in New York, but I lived to know
a Yes.

Speaker 4 (01:48:36):
This is the Los Angeles Clippers we're talking about. Yes,
who won this game zero times ever in the Frenchericks history,
so I obviously Balmer has changed the franchise. They have
their own arena, which it never well, they guess they
had sports arena. Take it back, they had the sports Arena,
which if you're ever the sports arena, good for you.
I never recommend that experience. I there, tickets were so cheap.

(01:48:58):
I want as munch as a kid. He says, to
make sure to not turn down the wrong road as
you as you headed over there. Yeah, and you know
they were they were third billing at Staple Center, right,
it was the Lakers and the Kings were second billing,
and then obviously the Clippers. So Balmer's really changed the franchise.
But opening up into a doma, that place looks a
lot of fun. I've not been there yet, so he's

(01:49:19):
changing the franchise absolutely, But that Clippers, you know, sort
of like history will creep up on the franchise a
lot of times, and so can they overcome that? Essentially?
Tonight's right, can they overcome years and years and years
of being the Clippers? They're the better team. I'm with

(01:49:39):
you there, But it's game seven. Also, you know, the
question becomes like do we get game seven hard tonight? Uh,
he's looked a little tire last game. Yep, it's game seven, like,
so we have Clippers old trauma we got James Harden trauma,
but we also have Russell Westbrook on the other side.

(01:50:01):
Who can win and lose a game in the same time.
Is Jamal Murray gonna gonna play that well again for
the second straight actually a third straight game.

Speaker 2 (01:50:13):
Home teams usually, I mean you look at is a
point in that favo. This has to be one of
the best bets in sports right now. Nuggets at home
minus one and a half.

Speaker 4 (01:50:23):
Yeah, best bet is I don't know if that's a
best bet per se, but I like not gonna start
fast today, and so look, I think in the end
the Clippers are probably if they get James hard and
Kawhi Leonard playing to their abilities, they're gonna win this game.
If one of those two guys plays a little bit
less and they than their abilities, it'd be tough. If

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Jamal Murray comes back to Earth a little bit. It
feels like hard for the Nuggets. Okay, Westbrook can be
great or bad. He said twenty one and fourteen the
last two games, and he had they had three points
in game game four. Scuse me, game three. It looks
like so I'll wi go forward to tonight. I lean

(01:51:07):
toward the home team ever so slightly, but I will
say I think the Clippers are better. That doesn't be
gonna win this game though.

Speaker 2 (01:51:12):
We had another Game seven Warriors and the Rockets. Jeez,
we already have the Lakers eliminated? Can we have the
Warriors eliminated?

Speaker 3 (01:51:19):
Also?

Speaker 2 (01:51:19):
The Rockets three and a half point favorites of this round.
And by the way, the total just two toh one,
so they're not expecting a high scoring game.

Speaker 3 (01:51:29):
Stephan.

Speaker 2 (01:51:29):
The guys kind of rested when they knew they were
getting clabbered in Game six. This looks like a Rockets game.
I'm shocked at the Warriors are gonna get thrown out
and be eliminated after they had that lead in this series.

Speaker 4 (01:51:42):
So last night's game was rather shocking to me. Houston
goes to Golden State and wins, and comfortably they were
pretty much ahead the entire game. He got close every
now and then. Part of success in the NBA is
having done it before, right, right, And that's why I

(01:52:04):
think some people were a little timid about Okac. Is like,
very talented team, great team, best point differential in the
NBA season in history, but they haven't done it yet, right,
and they're young and a lot of times your core
players have to be like twenty seven or above age
to win a championship. Look look around the NBA. Look

(01:52:25):
what Steph Curry went for a championship. Lebron Jordan, like
all these guys, it's like twenty seven and up. Okayse
he's super young. Houston has not been in this spot yet,
and they look like the team last night who was
playing carefree, who's played without worry. Obviously, the worst team

(01:52:45):
is not the team of the past. But Steph Curry's
been there before. He started slow, but he finished faster.
Jimmy Butler's been there before, not in this capacity, but
he's played big playoff gains before. Dreymond Green obviously, and
Houston played better. They look like a team unafraid. Especially
during the game. Steph Crey had four turner overs and a
half time. Tradman had four unervers a half time. The

(01:53:07):
role players for the Warriors, who typically again home games
you play better on the role players non existent last night.
I went to bed, so I was gonna ask you.
I went to bed last night before the game was over.
I've obviously seen the highlights. I've seen the end of
the game, but I was asking you to heal. I
was gonna say he'll he'll even score when I went
to many zero points, Yeah, like those are you can't

(01:53:29):
have that and win. So I was more impressed with
the Rockets last night, who I thought played with extreme
intensity and confidence, which you don't see in a young
team on the road in a game they have to win,
and so I think they win Game seven. I think
they come back and win Game seven. They're at home.
They're going to be super confident after winning that game.

(01:53:50):
If Jalen Green, he gave him a little bit something
more than he's been given him too. He's not been
on this series at all. Fred van Fleet has been
very consistent in this series, like they look like the
better team right now. Now. Can Steph Curry have a
forty pointer? Sure, but they're gonna they're just gonna blit
Steph Curry as soon gets the boy, gonna blitz them
and say someone else do it, someone makes them. Moody

(01:54:11):
makes some shots. Posensky. I can't mamet out his name,
but can you make a shot, buddy, Like, can you do?
They're gonna let everyone else do it. They're gonna force
Raamon Green to try to be a part of the
offensive of rhythm. So I'm in the Rockets win Game seven.
I like what I see in them. I was super
impressed last night. That's a very very tough spot to

(01:54:32):
be traditionally a spot where team like Houston loses.

Speaker 2 (01:54:36):
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Speaker 3 (01:55:03):
We'll come back.

Speaker 2 (01:55:03):
Got's officially get to some picks on some of these
series in those two game sevens against the line, all
that coming up next right here on Fox Sports our Radio.
All right, final segment of the show just flew on
by Big Plans after the show today, Jeff for what
what's going on?

Speaker 4 (01:55:19):
Uh? Kids? Sports? We got I just I got dressed
in the break like we gotta go. We got softball,
we got baseball, like we got we got games. Nine am,
we gotta back to I'll beat the field from like
eight to twelve. We got Oh wow, I like it though,
but we got we got games. They've got practiced. So uh,
just got my kids up and we were play last
night for the minor league baseball game. But uh, we'll

(01:55:40):
be ready to go. Man, we got we let's go.

Speaker 3 (01:55:43):
Why do you, by the way, why do you live
in the Carolinas?

Speaker 4 (01:55:45):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:55:46):
I shouldn't have said where you have. I don't want
people to come down.

Speaker 4 (01:55:47):
To the living Charlotte, no one.

Speaker 2 (01:55:50):
Why why did you move down there instead of going
back to the Pacific Palisades.

Speaker 4 (01:55:54):
Or La or to be fair, from Pacific Palisades. Okay,
I would move back there because it's awesome here. I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:56:05):
It's expensive in La too, that's for sure.

Speaker 4 (01:56:07):
I was drafted here about my wife here like I
love it and Charlotte, it's a great place to be. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:56:15):
By the way, are you a Kentucky Derby guy? Are
you going to be taking a look at the derby?
You're not really a derby guy.

Speaker 4 (01:56:21):
I will watch it tonight. I have I work with
Chris Filika, the Bear Right and Cross Game Day now
on being ni Ka GoF We love him. We do
a podcast together, so he texts me what to wag
draw on. So that's what I'm doing.

Speaker 3 (01:56:35):
I'll give you. I'll give you one horse.

Speaker 2 (01:56:37):
I know nothing about the horse racing, and you know,
I'll pretend I do like everybody else. But this girl
I knew from Phoenix, Arizona, who now this was like
thirty years ago. She got married at her and her
husband now they must be super rich own Sandman the

(01:56:57):
third favorite. Okay, the Kentucky Derby, but it's racing from
gate number seventeen.

Speaker 3 (01:57:03):
But they're six to one, one of the favorites in
the Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:57:06):
But the gates now they used to have that extension
that made the like the last six gates even further away,
but now they just it's one whole piece. Oh yeah,
So it's not as big of a deal now with
horses starting on the outside. So a lot of fun
to watch though, I'll tell you that.

Speaker 3 (01:57:23):
That's good to know. I had no idea.

Speaker 4 (01:57:25):
I have like a trifecta that Bear sent to me,
So I don't know We'll see what happens. Hopefully I win.

Speaker 3 (01:57:29):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:57:29):
I want we want to race yesterday. I want a
twelve to one. I won of the race yesterday and
I'm just gonna like, I don't know. I'll check my
account when it's over and see if I have won.
I have no idea.

Speaker 2 (01:57:40):
Will you be drinking a mint, Julip while you are?
Those are horrible. I heard they're just miserable drink.

Speaker 3 (01:57:48):
I never have.

Speaker 2 (01:57:49):
Yeah, Clippers Nuggets Game seven tonight Denver one and a
half point favorites over under of two oh six. You mentioned,
as we brought up earlier. Usually Game sevens go to
the home team. Nuggets are certainly an experienced team NBA champions.

Speaker 3 (01:58:08):
Why not take Denver minus to one and a half
and probably the over two oh six. How do you
see that game, Jeff? What do you think?

Speaker 4 (01:58:15):
I like the under? First of all, okay, I think
this is these games tend to be a little bit tighter.
I just I know the nugget the Nuggets last year.
Remember Game seven home against the Wolves got blasted last year,
And I wonder if that's in the back of their minds,
like we're not gonna let this happen again, and I

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do have questions about about Harden's ability to play well
in this big moment. The role players for the Clippers.
How good are they gonna play on the road in
Game seven, I would lean toward Nuggets here. I do
like the under morning anything else, I lean toward Nuggets here.
Nothing big on this one.

Speaker 2 (01:58:52):
All right, Warriors Rockets. You were saying who you liked
before the break? Houston, though, three and a half point favorites.
That's not a lot of number. They're over under two
one and a half. You take it the other in
this one also, Jeff.

Speaker 4 (01:59:05):
That's an interesting number there. Number? Uh was it three?
Three and a half?

Speaker 2 (01:59:10):
Three and a half for the Rockets? Three to that
point favorite over the war I gotta take the Warriors.

Speaker 4 (01:59:14):
I might take. I think Rockets win, but I would
take three and a half the wait. Look the way
you play this, I think is if you like the Rockets,
you just wait in game take a better number. If
you get one. I mean, the Warriors start fast and
it's a twelve to seven lead for them. The Rockets
will come down to a point or two like the

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the you know, take the Rockets like then, I think
that three and a half is probably too much delay
on the Rockets in this moment. But I do win
the game. I just wait for a better number.

Speaker 2 (01:59:46):
All right, let's talk series. Pacers Cavaliers. They start tonight tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (01:59:52):
I like cows.

Speaker 3 (01:59:53):
Yeah, you like the Calves in that one man? And
what about the Knicks and the Celtics. How's that one
going to turn out?

Speaker 4 (01:59:59):
I the Celtic probably win in five, so that easy.

Speaker 3 (02:00:04):
Nick's not even gonna put up a better fight than that, huh.

Speaker 4 (02:00:07):
I mean the games might be close. I think Boston's
just much better. The health of Holiday is a huge
important here. That might change my pain if he doesn't
play in the series.

Speaker 2 (02:00:15):
Yeah, that series, that could be a difference maker. Jeff,
it was a pleasure quick show today. Always keep working
for you, so working with you, excuse me. So I
was glad that we were able to do it together.
Two former palis Ades High school kids having a little
fun on Fox Sports Radio. I want to thank the crew. Also,
thanks Debrie, and thanks to Mark, and also thanks to

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the fellas Gargano and Jason Fitz for letting us fill in.
I'll be back for one more hour here on Fox
Sports Radio.

Speaker 1 (02:00:44):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio.

Speaker 2 (02:00:47):
Ah, good morning everybody. It's kind of like the bonus
hour of the show. Jeff Schwartz is gone. Now we
had stuff to do, and we brought in Jared Smith
for the bone. It's our Arnie Span you're writer on
Fox Sports Radio. We're in for the fellas, Anthony Gargano
and Jason fitz As. We're broadcasting live from Fox Sports

(02:01:08):
Radio Studios. How you doing, Jared tikes for getting up
on this early morning.

Speaker 5 (02:01:12):
Oh, well, usually I'm up around this time anyways. So
it is awesome to be here. And this is a
This is actually one of my favorite Saturdays of the year.
It's Derby Day. Oh so it's a very exciting sports Saturday.

Speaker 2 (02:01:24):
I would say you're a big Kentucky because I asked
Jeff ive was are you a big Kentucky Derby guy
or what?

Speaker 5 (02:01:29):
I would be lying if I said, I'm really into
the ponies like heavy. I will say this though, there
was a dark time during the pandemic when there were
no sports going on right, and I would wake up
every day and I would bet golf stream and then
I would wait and I'd bet. You know, Anita, you
know Santa Anita and and Golden Gate later on in
the day, and those were again very you know, difficult
times in the sports world. I don't bet horses often.

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I usually bet them this time and then you know,
in another couple of weeks we'll get the break this
and depending on how things go and those two races
mainly today, Like I usually budget a few hundred bucks
for horse racing for the year and if I if
I blow it all today, then it's probably done.

Speaker 3 (02:02:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:02:10):
I told Jeff before you came on that this girl
I know her and her husband own Sandman.

Speaker 3 (02:02:15):
Which is wow. Yeah, they must be rich. I'm just guessing.

Speaker 2 (02:02:19):
Yeah, so they they're the third Sandman's the third favorite
in the Kentucky w I think it's six to one
or something like that. So I'm not you know, I'm
not a big horse racing guy, but I'll probably put
down a few shehut GOLs on it.

Speaker 3 (02:02:32):
How could you not?

Speaker 5 (02:02:33):
You have to the derby. If you're gonna bet one
horse race the entire year, this is really the one, Like,
this is really the one. And also because of how
many horses run, typically you get a long shot, like
there was an eighty to one that won a couple
of years ago. Recently, I think, actually I think more.
I think last year there was there was a long shot,

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like you get long shots in this race.

Speaker 3 (02:02:57):
Like Jacomo Right Jockey nineteen horse field.

Speaker 5 (02:03:00):
Today you know they might add another one, but so
you do get some opportunities to make that money.

Speaker 2 (02:03:05):
A quick just a quick, real, real quick horse racing story.
A buddy of mine was going into the army. We
had no money. We wanted to go out partying that night,
so I said, hey, let's go to the track. We'll
see if we can win somebody and we'll go party.
We did the pick three and we want it, and
he goes, how much should we win? I go, I
don't know, half of the pick six maybe, and the
pick six would run maybe fifty thousand, one hundred thousand,

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maybe more than that. I go, we're rich, dude, We're
gonna party like rock stars tonight. We go collect their
money and I think it was like one hundred and
twenty five dollars, and I said to the lady, is
the rest going to be in the check?

Speaker 3 (02:03:40):
She goes, that's all you get, honey. Everybody else behind.

Speaker 2 (02:03:42):
You they had the same ones three favorites came in,
so that's all you get there.

Speaker 3 (02:03:47):
I was expecting big money, Jared, I.

Speaker 5 (02:03:49):
Was holding because it's a paramutual, you know, rate like
it's unlike other I always tell people, especially this time
of here. You know, I give out gambling advice for
a living. This is a horse racing is a very
unique worth to bet. I would say it's the most
unique sport to bet because it's paramutual. So you could
bet a horse yesterday three to one and it goes
off today at even odds and you're like, wait, what
just happened? Well, all the money gets pulled together and

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you don't actually know what you make until after the
odds close. So it's it's a very unique way to bet.
And of course they have these like unique way like
exotics as they call them, like exact a trifecta, Like
you have to kind of educate yourself a little bit.

Speaker 3 (02:04:26):
It's like a new language, right right, no doubt?

Speaker 2 (02:04:28):
All right, Well, speaking about gambling, the Lakers are out.
Everybody loves betting the Lakers. What happens now?

Speaker 3 (02:04:33):
What did you think of them getting eliminated in five?

Speaker 2 (02:04:35):
And do you know anybody that put any big money
on Minnesota to win that series. What would you've gotten
on Minnesota to win that series beforehand? What five to
one or something like that, six to one I'm imagining.

Speaker 5 (02:04:47):
No, I think that I thought the Tea Wolves were
favored to win the series. I actually don't know. I
forget what the rest on the top of my mouth. Yeah, well,
I think a lot of it is with the Lakers.
I think a lot of it is people don't trust
them long term. I think that's the key, Like in
a one game and this is how I felt about
the Lakers going into this series. In a one game
roll of the dice. I want Luca and Lebron. I

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think that is obvious to most, you know, average basketball
fans and even the ones that are really in the know, Like,
if you give me a game seven, I'll take Luca
Lebron over anyone else. But you have to get to
a game seven. And that is where I think the
Lakers fall short in this roster construction. They are not
built for a long haul. They're built for a one game,

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you know, They're built for the short term. Luca, like
at the end of the series, I could barely move.
Lebron obviously was playing through some things. I think everyone's
playing through some things. Go look at what Steph Curry's
going through right now with the rockets swiping down on
his hand. Every singles a.

Speaker 3 (02:05:47):
Better roster than the Lakers.

Speaker 5 (02:05:48):
Are they I think, I honestly think because of what
they did last year and because of Anthony Edwards kind
of right now, I would say, being kind of like
the face of the league. Yeah, I think that te
Wolves roster is pretty decent, and I think they are.
I don't know if they're equipped to make it to

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the finals, but they are absolutely a force.

Speaker 2 (02:06:14):
More people are saying that the Lakers. You know, why
did the Lakers lose? Nobody's giving Minnesota credit. Fract You're
winning the series. Everybody talking what did the Lakers do
wrong to lose the series?

Speaker 4 (02:06:23):
You know.

Speaker 5 (02:06:24):
I think a lot of it too is we get
to a certain point in Lebron's career and we just
expect greatness. I think we've I think we need to
temper our expectations with with what the Lakers are at
this point, and that really is I mean, they were
they were never constructed to win a championship the way

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that they are. They have no they have no interior size,
no interior defense. And the postseason in the NBA. You
think the regular season is long, postseason is really long.
Like it is a long postseason. You gotta win four
out of seven, four seven, four out of seven, four
out of seven, and I just don't think the Lakers
were constructed to do that. I think the Lakers were

(02:07:06):
constructed to win a best of three against one team.
And that's kind of like who they are right now.
Is it like they have a very high ceiling, but
the floor is low. And when you stretch that, you know,
series out over long period of time, it really shows,
you know, being.

Speaker 2 (02:07:22):
A Vegas guy that you are. I'm curious to see
what you're gonna answer this one. Where do the Lakers
and Lebron go from here? And the reason I say
that is, is there any chance Lebron says, I'm gonna
play one more year with the Lakers, then I'm gonna
go to Vegas start that new team. I'm gonna be
the owners slash player, and I'm gonna play with my
two kids.

Speaker 3 (02:07:41):
Because what is it?

Speaker 2 (02:07:42):
Bryce will be eligible in twenty twenty six. I mean,
you're gonna get a team, right that's gonna happen.

Speaker 5 (02:07:47):
I'm assuming so, right, I think Vegas and Seattle like that.
That kind of feels like the two spots.

Speaker 2 (02:07:53):
And Lebron's gonna be the owner or Clutch Sports or
whoever or what.

Speaker 5 (02:07:57):
I could see that scenario playing out. I think the
reason he moved to la And again I'm just I
don't know him personally, obviously, I'm just speculating. Here is
the Hollywood vibe, like he wants to be involved of course,
you know, movies and all that stuff, entertainment whatever you know,
words you want to use to describe the media these days,

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Like that is where he wants to be because I
think he's a very forward thinking individual and he knows
he's not going to play forever, nor does he want to, right,
I don't. I don't know if that is his goal,
Like if he wants to own a team and he
wants to have his sons as part of his ownership group,
part of the team, part of the vibe, Yeah, I
could see that happening. I just I know that there's

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a lot like a Rod just went through this with
with the Minnesota Timberwolves. Like, right, it's not easy to
own a team. Now, granted that was a sale of
a team, so that was a little bit of different circumstances.
This would be a new expansion team, so I don't
know if that changes the dynamic, but it it. There's
a lot of corporate red tape involved in that, and
I don't think he's gonna be able to do it alone.

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You don't have to do it with partners. So that's
an interesting path that I never thought of, but I
could see it.

Speaker 3 (02:09:06):
You know, you said it's not easy to own the team.

Speaker 2 (02:09:07):
I told Jeff this, you know, because we went to
the same high school. You know I could have owned
the Lakers. I didn't know if you know that I
could have owned the Lakers. Wow, you didn't know that.

Speaker 5 (02:09:17):
I did not know that.

Speaker 3 (02:09:18):
Well, yeah, I know.

Speaker 5 (02:09:18):
I know you get own the Packers. He can just
buy a couple of shares.

Speaker 3 (02:09:21):
Yeah, no, you think I'm kidding.

Speaker 2 (02:09:23):
I went to high school, as I said, with Jeff,
and also Genie Buss, so I was I was a good.

Speaker 5 (02:09:28):
Looking I told stories about Jeanie Buss.

Speaker 2 (02:09:30):
I'm a good looking guy. All I had to do
was ask Genie out. She would have fell in love
with me. We would have gotten married, and then I
don't have to team, right, I'm sure there would have
been no pre number anything.

Speaker 6 (02:09:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:09:41):
Yeah, It's it's always easy, right, Like I know Bill
Belichick and jord Hudson are going, yeah, yes, right now,
you just buy right into the family.

Speaker 2 (02:09:49):
You know, Genie and Jenny and Jimmy, the three of
them all went to Palisades. I'll never forget because I
told the story earlier. I remember I was sitting outside
with the basketball coach. My coach and Genie walked by,
and the coach said, the Genie, did your dad buy
the Indiana Pacers? And she said no, no, he's saving
his money for the Lakers. And I went and I went,

(02:10:09):
shut up, GENI, who's your dad gonna go buy the Lakers?
Of course, you know it's they buy the Lakers. But interesting,
I don't think a lot of people know that maybe
the Pacers were the first team he was interested in buying,
and he backed off and waited for the Lakers.

Speaker 5 (02:10:23):
You know, I didn't know that. So I'm not so
the NBA, I would say, like, is not like the
sport that I am as invested in today as I
was maybe twenty years So I'm a Knicks fan, Uh,
twenty years ago. I mean even I would say more
closer to thirty years ago when I was you know,
in my younger, younger days, that's when I was really
in the NBA. The NBA at this stage is a

(02:10:47):
very tough watch night in, night out. It's a very
tough bet, I think, because we don't know who's playing
half the time. It's not a sport in this current
regular season construction postseason is obviously different that I feel
like I need to be invested in every day because
it's just it's such a difficult sport to run your
head around night in night out.

Speaker 3 (02:11:07):
No, there's no matter of fact.

Speaker 2 (02:11:08):
I'm a Knicks fan also, and they're playing the Celtics
obviously Game one. What are the odds on that? Everybody's
nobody's giving the Knicks a chance in this one? All
I know they were zero to four against the Celtics.
Last game was in overtime. The other three I believe
we're all blowouts, so they really didn't stand much of
a chance. I don't know if Brunson missed one of
those blog games. I don't have the dates in front

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of me, but the Knicks have to be what like
four to one, five to one under Dames in this one,
something like.

Speaker 5 (02:11:34):
Yeah, Celtics or minus eight hundred currently wow, wow, I
mean it's cheese. Yeah. And actually so the Calves are
minus five hundred, So the Calves are pretty big favorite
two over the Pacers. I actually think that should be flipped.
I think as good as the Celtics are, I think
that is the series that I could see being a

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lot closer. The Calves right now, I look like the
best team in these now. I don't think they're gonna
win the Eastern Conference. I think eventually Boston will kind
of catch them and you know, raise their level. And
I don't know if the Calves can maintain this level
throughout the entire postseason. But right now, eye test wise,

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Boston's you know, dropped the game to Orlando, looked a
little bit baulky at times. Right you got a couple
of injuries. You got Tatum with the Risks, you got
Chris STAPs Porzingis, you know, he's like a walking injury.
He had that weird gash on his head. The Calves
right now look like a dominant force. So I think
the Calves should be minus eight hundred and the Celtics
should be minus five hundred. But right now the market's

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telling you that the Boston series is not going to
be a very tight series.

Speaker 3 (02:12:39):
No, it isn't.

Speaker 2 (02:12:39):
And I'm thinking you if you like the Knicks obviously
have to take a game individually each game, and you know,
betting them to win the series, that's going to be
a tough chore. That's good though, the way they live
in game six, Yeah, you wouldn't bet that at all.

Speaker 5 (02:12:52):
I would bet them to I would bet them to
cover the series spread. So you can bet the Knicks
plus two and a half games even on Yeah, so
you can basically bet it's basically Celtics in six or seven.
Now you can also bet Celtics in six, which is
an interesting bet at plus four hundred. I actually I
actually kind of like that bet. And yet Nix plus

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two and a half games is another intriguing one.

Speaker 2 (02:13:17):
I would say, Wow, I had no idea you could
do something like that. Now we do have a couple
of game sevens. What's your theory on game sevens? You know,
usually I like to take the over in the first
quarters because I feel people don't like the foul. They'll
give you the free bucket, they'll give you the free layup,
maybe even the open shot, just so they don't pick
up that foul and they have to go to the
bench or next thing, you know, they got two fouls

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and they can only pick up one more in the
first half. But overall game sevens, are you a home
team guy or because Denver only a point and a
half favorite at home over the Clippers, you would think.

Speaker 3 (02:13:49):
That's a pretty good bargain there.

Speaker 5 (02:13:50):
Yeah, So the way game sevens are interesting because you
get six games of data in that series to kind
of base your handicap off. I will say this, the
overall trend says under unders are like sixty three percent
in the NBA in game sevens, thirty nine and twenty
four since two thousand and four, So it's like sixty

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two percent. But the market I think is becoming a
little bit more sophisticated with you know, handicapping this number
and what I say by the number. So let's take
the Clippers Nugget series for example. Yeah, these two teams
have played six games. Now, the total in game one

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was two twenty five, like significantly higher than what it
is in the game tonight, which six. Yeah, so you're
talking about a nineteen point adjustment from raise one to
game seven. Now, the first four games of the series
went under, so we saw two twenty five, two seventeen,
then to thirteen and two eleven, and then we finally

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got down to two oh nine in game five, and
that's where we saw the big explosion. Right, Denver had
a huge win. It was one thirty. It scored like
one thirty at home, and then that game went way over.
And then the same thing in game six to twelve,
So the total went up a little bit. In game
six to twelve games still went over, but then you
get that big adjustment down in game seven because on average,

(02:15:16):
game sevens tend to be much tighter. But I actually
think in this case I would bet the over. I
think two oh six is too low. I think the
fact that it's the lowest total of the series and
the fact that the two totals in this vicinity two
nine to twelve and games five and six both went over.
I think especially with the Clippers offense, Like, to me,

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that's the handicap. If the Clippers come into an atmosphere
in Denver and they feel comfortable offensively, I think this
game's going over.

Speaker 2 (02:15:44):
Tonight we got another Game seven, and you want a
total lower than the two nine two to oh one
with the Golden State and the Rockets. You're getting three
and a half points with Golden State if you want
the points. Like I said, usually teams are like usually
better's like to go with the home teams in the
games seven, though, passing up on the Warriors plus three
and a half a team that could actually pull off

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the upset kind of hard to pass on by in
something like this.

Speaker 5 (02:16:08):
Jared agreed, and didn't this happen last year? I think
it was two years ago, right, wasn't it? It was
Kings and Warriors, right? And the Kings were this young,
upstart team like the Beam and all this stuff, and
the Warriors I think went into their building. I forget
if it was a game six or a game seven,
to be fair, but I remember they went into their
building and just rocked their socks off in the elimination

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game because the Kings were just not ready for that smoke,
that that that you know, pressure of the elimination game,
although they looked okay last night on the road. So
I think there may be too young to to you know,
inexperience to really know what the moment is maybe that's
a good thing for Houston, But I like the Warriors

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last night. Now I thought the number got too stretched,
right Like again, we're getting back to this. We see
what the numbers are throughout the course of the series.
The Warriors were small favorite home in Game three. I
think it was one and a half and they were
three and a half point favorite in Game four. Why
are they a five and a half point favorite in
Game six at home? Like like, like it's the same scenario.
They just played four nights prior and they were a

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three and a half point favorite, Like it's because of
this narrative, this kind of you know, I would call
it froth in the market where people just think, oh,
the Warriors are at home, they're gonna close out the series.

Speaker 3 (02:17:23):
Let's right.

Speaker 5 (02:17:24):
The price up two points and it's really a bad number.

Speaker 3 (02:17:27):
Yeah, Vegas must have made a ton of money off that.

Speaker 5 (02:17:29):
I bet they did.

Speaker 3 (02:17:30):
Oh, they must have made a bowler. Plus you got
Steve Kerr.

Speaker 2 (02:17:32):
Usually I don't go with coaches, but Kerr seems to
be worth a point or two for Golden State. I
got to take the points in this one, and and
maybe even bet them on the money line.

Speaker 3 (02:17:41):
To see if they go ahead and win this.

Speaker 2 (02:17:43):
I think they will, though I think they pull off
the upset though I think they get to win in
this one.

Speaker 5 (02:17:47):
They're jared, Yeah, I think, I think I like the
I think I like both road teams in Game seven,
And I know that goes against what we were talking about,
but hey, didn't t Wolves going to Denver. The t
wwles went into Denver last year and won a Game seven.
So I don't think Denver is this like impenetrable fortress
where teams can't go in and win, especially teams that
are experienced like the Clippers, and I know, you know,

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te Wolves maybe not as experienced last year Gold State
Houston stuff. I think Houston is is definitely a team
that I would not want to bet on in big
games because of their inexperience. But what they did last
night was really impressive. And they're in Steph Curry's head
like they're like, you know, you got Kerr complaining into
the reps about the fouls and how they're swiping down

(02:18:28):
like they're kind of in their heads a little bit.
So that's gonna be a really interesting adjustment. But we
have seen some early money on the Rockets. That's it
opened too. Now it's out the three, So Houston's taking
a little bit of early money here.

Speaker 2 (02:18:39):
By the way, if it's Cleveland and Oklahoma City in
the finals, is that good.

Speaker 3 (02:18:43):
For your business or bad for your business or it
doesn't matter at all? Really?

Speaker 5 (02:18:47):
Well, I personally I don't care. But the liability, that's
an interesting question. If I had to guess, and this
is a guess, I can look it up there in
the break because Ben MGM usually sends us splits, right.
If I had to guess, I would say Boston's probably
a team that the sportsbooks don't want to win the
title because usually in the NBA people like to bet

(02:19:10):
the favorites, and they've been a favorite pretty much all year,
and I'm assuming people have been hammering the Celtics all
year to win the title. Just hey, I'm just gonna
park this money and just wait until May or June
until they win. Oklahoma City is an interesting one because
they've been they kind of been a darling for the
last two years now, and the number hasn't really reflected that, Like,

(02:19:31):
they've been a pretty prohibitive favorite pretty much the entire year.
I don't know, I'll have to check that during the break.

Speaker 2 (02:19:37):
Do you bet more or less if you like the matchup?
I mean, if it's not a sixty matchup, do you like,
I'm gonna sit this one out or it doesn't make
a difference what the matchup is for.

Speaker 5 (02:19:45):
You, Ernie, I used to be a degenerate, so I
am a I am like it's like a recovering alcoholic.
I used to be a degenerate. And the irony is
when I moved to Vegas, people were like, are you sure, Like,
I don't know if that's a good idea for you, Bud.
Moving here has actually turned me into less of it.

(02:20:09):
I bet less here than I bet back. Really, I
lived in New York. Really, yeah, because I think when
you're around it, you're just you become desensitized to it. Like,
for example, when I used to come to Vegas in
my twenties and I used to you know, hang out
at Cosmo, I rolled craps till four in the morning
because I'd have to fly home the next day and
I wouldn't be able to be around craps for until

(02:20:30):
I came back to Vegas. Now I have a hotel
across the street, Like I don't feel that urgency to
bet as often as I used to.

Speaker 2 (02:20:39):
That makes sense, that does I didn't think of it
that way because I always said, if I lived in Vegas,
forget about it, I'd be broke all the time.

Speaker 5 (02:20:46):
Yeah, the first few months I was in it, and
then it kind of like the like the newness of
it wore off, and now I don't. I never, like rarely,
rarely will I step into a casino and and and
and roll dies is different. That's my job. So it's
a little different with sports betting, but like casino gambling. No,
I'm pretty I'm pretty tame these days.

Speaker 2 (02:21:06):
Actually, I want to get to some football when we
get back. I want to ask you about the Iowa
state situation. I got a great gambling story for you also,
so we'll have a little fun. Jared Smith, Arnie Spanier
went for the fellas, Anthony Gargano and Jason fitz right
here on Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 6 (02:21:21):
listen live.

Speaker 2 (02:21:33):
All right, good morning, everybody, Jared Smith, Arnie Spaniard, We're
in for the fellas Anthony Gargano and Jason Fitz right
here on Fox Sports Radio on a Saturday morning.

Speaker 3 (02:21:44):
By the way, real quick gambling story.

Speaker 2 (02:21:45):
I was working for a network in Las Vegas, and
it was right around Super Bowl, but a couple of
days before, and we told the horror listeners, Hey, whoever
wants to come out to Vegas, come on out. We'll
have some fun, we'll hang out. And we didn't expect
more than the couple hundred people to show up. I
guess by the time the weekend came around, there was
about twenty five hundred to three thousand people.

Speaker 3 (02:22:07):
Our boss bought.

Speaker 2 (02:22:08):
Like a ten foot subway sandwich and a keg of beer,
and that was supposed to last three thousand people, and
all of a sudden, that gets done pretty fast, and
we're all board and sitting around and one of the
hosts goes, hey, I got a fourteen parlay. That's a guarantee.
Let's go down to the sports book. And all twenty
five hundred people run down to the sports book like
we're giving away a hundred dollars bills all for to one.

(02:22:32):
And the guy that runs the sports book said, if
you ever do that, again, I will destroy you. They
weren't very happy with us, you know what I mean.
Can you imagine what it was?

Speaker 3 (02:22:42):
I think it was Caesar's. I think it was.

Speaker 5 (02:22:44):
Okay, Well they have enough money they can I mean, listen,
I think the usual will usually if your first line
of the story is I've got a four team parlay,
that's a lot the sports books like, please come back
with us, We want you to come here. Yeah, so
that's kind of a you know, confirmation bias after the

(02:23:06):
fact that they didn't like it because it won. But
if you would have asked them before the bet.

Speaker 3 (02:23:11):
They would have looked at a forty in barlay.

Speaker 5 (02:23:13):
Yeah, let's go. Bring it on. Was gonna the biggest
money maker for the books, right.

Speaker 2 (02:23:17):
Exactly before we get to the football. I was gonna
ask you, what's the biggest odds you've won? Because when
I was living in Vegas and I'm not a you know,
I was gambling on everything. But I don't bet tennis.
But I bet at tennis the French I think it
was the French Open. I bet some guy named Sergey
Brugera because he was twenty to one and they said
he played well on clay or whatever, and he won,

(02:23:39):
and I had bet one hundred dollars on him. I
thought I was like the richest guy in Vegas. I
thought I was unbelieved. I have twenty one hundred dollars
in my pocket. My goodness.

Speaker 3 (02:23:50):
Have you ever what was the longest shot you ever
hit out there?

Speaker 5 (02:23:52):
Do you remember a question? So I always I get
this question a lot. People ask me, what's the biggest
bet you've ever won? It's a two part question. The
biggest risk I've ever made was on the Mayweather McGregor
fight in twenty seventeen. I it was an offshore bet

(02:24:12):
and the odds were like minus five hundred that he
was gonna win and for Mayweather, and I'm just like,
wait a minute. So you're telling me that that a
boxer is going to fight a UFC fighter and the
UFC fighter has to box. Yeah, I think it's bad.
I don't think this is I don't think McGregor has
a chance to win this fight. So I remember I was.

(02:24:34):
I remember I was depositing money with my mom's credit card.
That's how much I was getting down on this fight.
I eventually it was like five grand on this fight.
And at twenty seventeen, I was basically thirty years old,
so five grand's a lot of money. Back then, I'm
just like, if he doesn't win this fight, I'm going
to have to let you know, call you know, some
help in to pay my rent next month. So that

(02:24:55):
was the biggest risk I've ever had on one particular event.
The biggest win was on the twenty twenty one Shriners
Open golf tournament here in Vegas. Actually ironic Martin Laird
two twenty five to one. I had a person, a
former golf.

Speaker 3 (02:25:13):
Twenty two hundred and twenty five to one to one. Wow.

Speaker 5 (02:25:16):
She came on. She was a was a golf analyst.
She came on our show that week. I was working
for another network at the time, and she was a
Scottish golf analyst and her brother was Russell Knox who
plays on the tour. And she's like this Scott Martin laired,
he loves this tournament, fellow countryman of her. And I

(02:25:37):
was like, all right, finally I trust you, and so
I put fifty bucks down oh on this on this
golfer at two twenty five to one, I went over
like six grand and he wanted to playoff Arni. It
was the most stressful, but you for a moment of
my gambling career. Two twenty five to one twenty one
Shriners open.

Speaker 2 (02:25:57):
The steak for everybody after that. Unbelievable. I love that one.
That's a great story.

Speaker 4 (02:26:03):
All right.

Speaker 2 (02:26:04):
I want to ask you, I don't know if you're
familiar with this story, big deal or not a big
deal that the NCAA is taking disciplined reaction against five
current and former Iowa State football staff members. They had
more than six two hundred online bets totally more than
one hundred thousand dollars on professional games college games, and

(02:26:25):
that includes men and women's basketball games involving the Cyclones.
Is this a big story and not really? It seems
like most of the bets were small bets.

Speaker 3 (02:26:33):
What do you think.

Speaker 5 (02:26:35):
I think if they were betting on football, it would
be a much bigger story. I think the fact that
they are betting on their own program makes it like,
all right, what do they know?

Speaker 3 (02:26:46):
Right?

Speaker 5 (02:26:47):
But they're also not involved in the game plan. They're
not involved in the game themselves. It's not like they're
on the sideline on the bench, you know, plotting this
right they have they're very well connected. They probably know
the coaches, they know the players, they know all the
inside information. But to be fair, that's not different than

(02:27:07):
what I do on a different basis because I am
trying to get that information as well, and sometimes I
do get it, you know, through sources, through people that
I know, people who I trust. I get really good
information about college sports, mostly on the injury front. That
is the most coveted information in my little niche college football,

(02:27:28):
college basketball, college sports injuries because those injuries are not
reported and the market doesn't take that into account. So
my guess is these football support staff members had inside
information that probably they shouldn't have had, But I try
to get that information as well. So it feels like

(02:27:49):
they're rightfully being punished. But I don't think it's like
the end of the world because they're not fixing games,
you know, right.

Speaker 3 (02:27:54):
Right, No, I totally agree on that. Not the end
of the world.

Speaker 2 (02:27:56):
They didn't bet the football games, but exactly as you said,
they you had some inside information. I wanted to ask you,
since the draft happened, did you feel are you ready
to or do you have you made any bets already
based on the way the draft happened. Or are you
waiting to go ahead and make bets based on what happened?
And are you all into what's going on with Shador Sanders.

(02:28:19):
Are you betting that'll start a game? Do you like
him in the first year? Is he going to be successful?
We'll even make the team. I'm sure you could probably
bet on some of the stuff like that.

Speaker 5 (02:28:28):
Also, it's a good question, So I'll start with the draft. Overall,
the draft is not my starting point for making bets. Okay,
it never is unless there is some really unique situation
that happens. For example, there was one year where the Jets.
It was the year they got Gardner and I think
it was Sauce and the receiver from ohiose date Garrett Wilson.

(02:28:54):
Right that year, I was very excited about the Jets,
and I was a little more bullish on them, and
I remember I was thinking to myself, I want to
bet this win total early because the market loves them
and it's gonna move. It is rare that the draft
will move the needle for a team's total win total
or market number. Usually the draft is kind of a

(02:29:17):
a nothing burger for the market. I typically don't move,
so I already have my ratings for the seat like I'm, I'm,
I'm yeah, like I I usually take my ratings from
the from the prior year, and then I referb them,
you know, around this time, and I don't adjust them,
frankly a whole lot from for the draft, maybe a
half point, like I might adjust Tennessee, because you know,

(02:29:39):
going from cam Ward or from Will loves Camward might
be an upgrade. But now we're hearing cam Ward is
not even you know, he's got to win the job,
so you know, hesitate on that. You know, I want
to see him play. But it shouldn't publish the rookies
because you just yah, she better win the job or
else why did you draft them one if you can't
beat out will love us. I usually don't adjust my

(02:29:59):
ratings up or down based off of the draft, very rarely,
maybe half a point. The shardor Sanders thing is interesting.
I think he's going to end up being the starter
I do, maybe not fun, but I think eventually he
is going to at least have a chance to win
the job. More so, let's leave it at this. He'll

(02:30:19):
have a better chance to win the job than your
average fifth round pick start quarterback. Usually when you draft
a quarterback in the fifth round, he's the backup.

Speaker 2 (02:30:29):
Let me ask you this, Maybe this is the wrong
thinking and I shouldn't even think like this at all.
The Cleveland Browns with the two rookie quarterbacks obviously the
two veterans also and Deshaun Watson, but you're thinking, oh boy,
it's gonna be quite a quarterback race.

Speaker 3 (02:30:45):
You know who's going to make the team, who's not
going to make the team.

Speaker 2 (02:30:48):
Is it fair to say that the Browns probably maybe
try a little bit harder in the preseason, so you
should bet them because they have quarterbacks that really makes
a difference or not just it's like I'm gonna do
a series or two and I mean they want they
want to play well, which should do or they want
to play well with Dylan Gabriel right or is that

(02:31:09):
too much thinking and something like that.

Speaker 5 (02:31:10):
No, I think it's a good line of things. I
think the preseason people shy away from betting the preseason because.

Speaker 2 (02:31:14):
The preseasons, the free season. Preseasons, the free season.

Speaker 5 (02:31:18):
The theory. I hear this all the time because you know,
I listen to a lot of gambling podcasts and stuff
like Oh, they don't care in the preseason, So why
do I care? You're telling me these guys don't care. Yeah,
but what do you crazy? Like you watch the games, Like,
maybe the coaches don't go all out with their game plans,
that's fair, but the players on the field are fighting

(02:31:39):
for jobs like tooth and nail, so the motivation for
each individual player is sky high. In the preseason, I
think the coaches will keep things very vanilla and the
players kind of dictate, Like if you have a really
good roster, the coaches might be a little bit all right,

(02:32:00):
we're just gonna go run our base stuff. Guys. They
don't want to show anything. But if those players are
really good, like it's gonna look pretty good. I think
the Browns I would not put them in a category
of I'm definitely betting them in the process, right because
I just I need to see, Like I mean, I'm
one of those betters, like I don't have this like model,
like I basic. I based my power ratings very much

(02:32:22):
off of what I see and other people's ratings that
I trust, and I kind of adjust from there. I
would say the Browns, I I think they want Kenny
Pickett to start I from from everything, I hear they
love Kenny Pickett and they want him at least to
have a chance to win that job. Flacco is the insurance.

(02:32:43):
He can start, he can be the backup, He can
be back, you know, bagging groceries and in a couple
of months if if things don't work out. Dylan Gabriel,
I don't. I don't understand it. I I don't understand
why they would draft him and then also draft Shador.

Speaker 3 (02:33:03):
I agree with it makes.

Speaker 5 (02:33:05):
It makes no sense to me. One of those guys
I think might get cut. Like honestly, I think you
keep pick it Flacco and one of the rookies, and
I think the I think the odd rookie out might
end up, you know, being either you know, a practice
squad player or someone that gets picked up somewhere else.

Speaker 2 (02:33:20):
Well, Chadura is something going on with the Toronto Argonauts site.
I read somewhere that maybe he would go play in
the Canadian Football League.

Speaker 5 (02:33:27):
I doubt think Shador is going to be a lot
better than his fifth round great like where he got drafted,
I would have not drafted. I think I think teams
wanted to serve him a slice of humble pot.

Speaker 2 (02:33:39):
Is it all because of the interviews the way he did.
I mean, yes, he deserved it, right, if that's sure,
those are true.

Speaker 5 (02:33:45):
But also he's a kid and he probably made you know,
he didn't handle himself well and he made a mistake.
And I think he.

Speaker 2 (02:33:52):
Should have known better. His father should have had him
ready for those interviews.

Speaker 5 (02:33:55):
Agreed, And I'm not saying I don't think that there's
a like, there's a good reason why he got drafted
where he did. I understand the reason, but that's over now.
You can't keep punishing him for that.

Speaker 3 (02:34:08):
No.

Speaker 5 (02:34:08):
No, he either learns from it or he's playing in
the CFL. And if he learns from it, he has
the tools to be a be a good quarterback in
the NFL. I know people don't I know people are
doubting him. I know people are down on him, but
he's incredibly accurate, and he has the pedigree of a winner.
He's a fighter, he's a competitor. I think if he

(02:34:30):
figures out what went wrong in the interviews and he
corrects that behavior, I think he's got a chance to
be at least a starting quarterback in the NFL. I
don't know how successful he'll be, but I think he
has a chance to start. I do.

Speaker 2 (02:34:41):
Speaking about having the tools, did you see the video
that Antonio Brown put out of him running rounds against Shiloh.

Speaker 5 (02:34:47):
Wasn't that though? I don't know, I thought I didn't
think it was.

Speaker 2 (02:34:53):
Well, he doesn't if if that was reason, he certainly
cooked him that he not what he just destroyed him.

Speaker 5 (02:34:59):
Yeah, I I heard that. You know, Rosenhaus who's Shiloh's agent,
kind of got him in at Tampa. Listen, these are
players that have pedigrees that have fit family that played
in the NFL. They're gonna have an inside track.

Speaker 3 (02:35:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:35:14):
Like, that's why I'm very proud of where I have
what I have. I don't have any family that work
in radio or TV, like I had to earn these spots,
and I'm you know, I think that's you know, noteworthy
for people that are in this space. It's a lot
easier to be in the sports industry when you have
family and friends that are very high up in the
sports industry.

Speaker 2 (02:35:30):
You're not Randy Moss's kid going to get a tryout,
that's for sure.

Speaker 3 (02:35:34):
I will come back.

Speaker 2 (02:35:35):
I want to ask your opinion on some of the games,
especially the Game seven and some of the other NBA games.
We'll get your opinions on that. That's coming up next
right here on Fox Sports Radio. All right, I want
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(02:35:56):
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we get off the air. All right, Jared Friz ofball Jerdy,
you got to post your Kentucky Derby pick before it
runs tonight.

Speaker 3 (02:36:12):
You're gonna be doing that later on.

Speaker 2 (02:36:14):
Yeah, I like sovereignty, you're gona what's the odds on
that one?

Speaker 3 (02:36:17):
Do you know?

Speaker 5 (02:36:18):
It depends on where you go, like fixed ods. I
saw like five one. But my guest is we're gonna
take some money today on this on this pup, on
this pony, probably gonna be down. I would say three
four to one probably By closing lines.

Speaker 2 (02:36:30):
Mike, what do you remember what Jacamo was when it won?
Was like fifty to one or something that it was
something it was, Yeah, it was something pretty good.

Speaker 3 (02:36:39):
Well, it was definitely at yeah, fifty one.

Speaker 5 (02:36:42):
Let me look, it's a good question.

Speaker 4 (02:36:44):
Long.

Speaker 2 (02:36:44):
I was so funny because we make fun of two
of my old producers. I shouldn't say their name, but
their last name were did Jacomo, and we told them
we go, how could you not bet on the horse?
And I think they ended up betting two dollars on
the horse?

Speaker 3 (02:36:57):
Uh to what.

Speaker 2 (02:36:58):
I'm like, dude, you should have been like a hundred dollars.
What's wrong with you?

Speaker 3 (02:37:01):
Guys? The horse is pretty much the name after you.

Speaker 5 (02:37:04):
And that's also my smallest bet usually fifty bucks is like,
I won't bet anything if it's less than like, why
are you even bothering?

Speaker 3 (02:37:11):
They got good odds on that, that's for sure.

Speaker 2 (02:37:13):
Tonight though, Game seven Clippers Nuggets, we told you, Denver
one and a half over two O six and a half,
you're an under guy, and you were thinking maybe you're
going with the underdog.

Speaker 3 (02:37:23):
In this one.

Speaker 2 (02:37:23):
There's really no underdog. It's a coin flip. Are you
aay in the game better type guy? Or you stay
away from now too.

Speaker 5 (02:37:30):
I think live betting is in my opinion for especially
for basketball. The best way to bet it, especially in
college basketball. I mean, you watch the March Madness. It's
just run back and forth. So what you do is
you have to ignore what you're watching and fade the
run team goes on a ten oh fifteen to oh run,
you gotta bet the other side because typically it kind

(02:37:50):
of reverts back to the mean.

Speaker 2 (02:37:53):
Totally agree with you there. So who we take it
in this game seven tonight? You're going with the home
team Nuggets, or you're gonna take the Clippers in these
all points in this one, and you're probably going with
the under right.

Speaker 5 (02:38:03):
No, I actually I like the Clippers for sure. I
think the Clippers are the better team, and I like
the over. I think it's I think the totals move
down too much. I think this is one of those
situations where Vegas I hate when people say that, but
I'll use it now. Vegas is over inflating or I
guess deflating the line. The total because of the game seven,

(02:38:23):
vibe like this is the lowest total of the series yet.
Over the last two games, we've seen two overs, and
we've also seen James Harden's offense start to percolate. And
if that happens, and the Clippers who went to Patum,
they went to more of a shooting lineup with Bogdanovich Patum.
In Game six, they found something offensively that to me
means over. Clippers are gonna very much lean into their

(02:38:46):
offense in this game, and I think they go into
Denver and get a win tonight. I think it goes over.

Speaker 3 (02:38:50):
Are you a prop guy in this one?

Speaker 2 (02:38:52):
Like betting like individual players jokicch to over under or
anything like that or No.

Speaker 5 (02:38:58):
I do like betting prop, but in this particular game,
I don't have one that I specifically like. But I
do think props in general are a very good bet
in NBA games, especially for those that are novice betters
that like the fantasy element of gambling because it's you know,
kind of fantasy sports kind of mixed into gambling with
the prop markets.

Speaker 2 (02:39:17):
Uh, there's been a change, I believe in the Warriors
Rockets game. I'm pretty sure when I was talking to
with Jeff Lastauer and I brought it up with you already,
the Rockets were a three and a half point favorite.
That's changed. The Rockets are now only a two and
a half point favorite. So it went down a whole
point at least, that's you know, the general number out there.

Speaker 5 (02:39:39):
What happened?

Speaker 3 (02:39:39):
Big money coming in on the Warriors early right now?
Is that what happened? Or just a bunch of bets.

Speaker 5 (02:39:45):
Yeah, well it opened too. I did see at a
shop here in town. It opened to overnight last night
and then it got bet up to three very quickly.
So the early So the way that I usually analyze
a market in terms of an individual game, when the
game opens at a certain sports book here in town

(02:40:06):
that I think is the sharpest book in town, and
we see early money, very early money on one particular
side or total. That to me is the sharpest of
the sharps. Because if you are waiting for the number
to drop and you have your number on your end
and you see their number and you're like, that's wrong,
I'm betting it, that to me is very sharp action.

(02:40:27):
Then after you get that initial wave, usually you'll get
a buy back sometimes where like a number will move
couple of points, and then that same person will come
back and buy the other side and move it back.
So it's hard to really tell where the actual sharp
money is. It's more you use the numbers as guidepost
so I would say, if it's two, I would bet Houston.
If it's three and a half, I bet Golden State.

(02:40:49):
That's kind of where the market's telling you those you
know guardrails are early on.

Speaker 2 (02:40:54):
That's gonna do it for me, my friend. I really
appreciated Jared's coming up next though. Brian No, rich O
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