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Speaker 2 (00:55):
Good morning fellas, Rich, Jared Hope. Everything is great. How
about this the two second best words in sports?

Speaker 3 (01:01):
Which, of course game seven? We get a game seven today,
we get a game seven tomorrow. In the NBA, the
two best words in sports, of course are super Bowl.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
Right, we all know that. I don't know what we've
talked about this before. Get them, Rich, Yeah, get them now.

Speaker 4 (01:18):
This is this is absolutely accurate. I wont percent agree
with Brian though, I mean when when you have these series.

Speaker 5 (01:27):
I love I love Game sevens, don't get me wrong,
And I think Brian is saying the same thing. It's
the second best. That means it's still really really fun.

Speaker 3 (01:36):
It's just not as good as the Super Bowl, you know,
like Lebron has had a great career, awesome, legendary second best,
second best like that.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
Not quite Jordan getting hot and spicy early today, But seven, Lebron,
you can do a whole lot worse than Lebron's legendary career. Jared, right,
like Game seven that pet still very high on the list. Yeah, well,
I mean, I think the cliche of it makes me
on your side here, right, because I'm not. I think

(02:09):
the cliche kind of wears out how awesome Game sevens are.
Some of them could be pretty awful. But also, to
be fair, that super Bowl we had a few months
ago wasn't exactly a nail bier.

Speaker 6 (02:20):
That was rare though, that was rare show.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
It's rare instance. It wasn't great.

Speaker 6 (02:24):
But we do have a Game seven to look forward to.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
Today, we'll get to Clippers at the Nuggets, and then
at Game seven tomorrow we'll have the Warriors on the
road in a Game seven against the Young Bucks the
Houston Rockets, and we'll start there before we get to
seton Game seven or sevens. Let's get back to Game
six last night and the Warriors. I don't know who

(02:50):
kidnapped the Warriors is like you just mentioned the Super Bowl, Jared,
I don't know who kidnapped the Chiefs in the first half.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
And especially Mahomes.

Speaker 3 (02:57):
I don't know who replaced Mahomes with like Nayan Piterman
in the first half of the Super Bowl.

Speaker 6 (03:02):
But it was the same thing with the Warriors last night.

Speaker 3 (03:04):
The Warriors did not look like themselves at all. Give
the Rockets all the credit, they looked fantastic, but that
was a spot where the Rockets, they're wet, five and
a half point underdogs, were expecting them to Most people
are expecting them to at least lose. Maybe the Warriors
don't cover the spread. The Warriors got waxed, So I

(03:25):
think they got kidnapped last night and replaced with I
don't know, like the Charlotte Hornets or something like that.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
They didn't look like themselves at all.

Speaker 5 (03:32):
No, I completely agree the Warriors, who typically looked like
the steadier, tougher, smarter team in the postseason with all
that experience they have, they're now facing elimination.

Speaker 4 (03:46):
Because it's just it's.

Speaker 5 (03:51):
Like the two teams flip flopped, like the Rockets were
the team that looked steadier and smarter and more experienced
than Fred Van Fleet had an awesome three quarters of play.
I think he played some heady basketball and obviously.

Speaker 4 (04:07):
Sort of showed the path for the rest of this group.

Speaker 5 (04:10):
And what a job by the Rockets getting out of
their own way and allowing the water or the Warriors
to kind of deconstruct in the final quarter. Yeah, it's
it's interesting when you see a team that should be
better in a situation struggle because oftentimes you don't, you know,
especially in a seven game series, like especially when you

(04:33):
know the better team is supposed to bear out and
and maybe that's not what's happening, or maybe that is
what's happening, and it's just the Rockets time. They're certainly younger,
but what they just stared down facing elimination on the
road at the Chase Center, and we know how that
place can be, especially when the Warriors are in the

(04:53):
postseason and do what they did in Game six.

Speaker 4 (04:56):
Anything's possible in game seven.

Speaker 2 (04:59):
So you know what this remind of. This very much
reminds me of two years ago when the Warriors played
the Kings, and the Kings were just this upstart, like
the beam, right. They started the series two to zero,
and then Golden State came back and won three straight.
They went into Sacramento Game five and won, and then

(05:21):
they went back to Game six and everyone thought the
Warriors were going to close out the series at home.
In Game six, they got blown out. They lost by twenty.
Then they went back in Game seven on the road
in Sacramento, young team won by twenty. Because it just
I think the game seven vibes sometimes throws off certain teams,

(05:46):
like Game six backs against the wall, nothing to lose,
nothing to game, leave it all out there on the court.
Now you're in a Game seven, you can actually win
the series. We call this the sphincter tightening, right, The
sphincter tightens up just a little bit when you're like, wow,
we could actually win this series, and then you fall short,

(06:07):
Like I would not be shocked if the Warriors went
into Houston and blew the doors off of them tomorrow night.
I like how you laid that out. I really do and.

Speaker 3 (06:19):
I think I've said this before on the show, but
I'll say it again. It reminds me of my dad
what you just laid out there, Jared, because there were
times where I was growing up and you might have
felt like this with your dad every now and then,
but you would clash, and sometimes I would think.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
You know, I think I could kick my dad's ass,
you know, I really do.

Speaker 6 (06:37):
I think I'm stronger than him right now.

Speaker 3 (06:39):
And then a thought came into my head where I'm like,
he has this setting, you know, as a man who's
been through a lot of life experiences, right like the
world makes you tougher, and he has a setting that
he's programmed with something I call oh hell no, right,
he's programmed with that, and if we blows, he would

(07:01):
have this setting of like, oh, hell no, my son
who was.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
Going got got goo goo? When I'm like trying to
put food on the table. No, hell no, he's not
beating me up.

Speaker 6 (07:11):
Right like.

Speaker 3 (07:12):
And so it's a little bit like that, Jared, where
you think about the Warriors last night to start the
fourth quarter they lost.

Speaker 6 (07:18):
They missed thirteen shots in a row.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
They missed thirteen straight shots in a closeout game.

Speaker 6 (07:25):
And what you explained.

Speaker 3 (07:26):
It can work the other way where the Warriors they
let an opportunity slip away and now all of a
sudden it's like, okay, Game seven, backs against the wall,
do or die? Bring it on, you know, and getting
points on top of that. Yeah, it's just funny, right,
Like sometimes we have amnesia during a series where the
Warriors were huge favorites, I think, too huge at the

(07:49):
beginning to win this series, and now they're dogs on
the road in game seven. So I don't think you
can completely forget about where we started and where the
expectations were for the war years before you saw last
night and them get kicked around.

Speaker 5 (08:03):
I agree with that because you also have to remember
they've got a little bit of the secret sauce they
have obviously Draymond, but two particular players who step up
in a major way in Game sevens Curry. I'll give
you the data. Curry has played in five game sevens.
He's averaged thirty two point six point seven assists, six

(08:24):
and a half rebounds, and oh his most recent Game seven,
it was a blistering fifty piece on the Kings in Sacramento.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
Yep.

Speaker 5 (08:33):
So you go from him to Butler, who in his
four appearances has hoisted twenty two points four rebounds on average.
That doesn't begin to tell the impact. Because Butler terrorized
the Celtics both times that he faced them in Game
sevens thirty one points, eight rebounds and almost sent the

(08:54):
Celtics home twice. He missed the jumper in the final
seconds of one game against the Celtics in a Game
seven matchup that obviously allowed them to survive. But my
point being, when you have two guys with an incredible
abundance of Game seven experience, not just postseas in experience,
but game seven experience, you're looking at a real challenge

(09:18):
even when you're hosting them. Because home court advantage only
lasts for a quarter. Sometimes, if you have a team
that's absolutely shelling the home team, it doesn't really matter
after that. And how many of those Game sevens between
Butler and Curry have been on the road, I can't
tell you that. I don't have that stat, but I

(09:39):
know some of them, and and that's an important stat.

Speaker 4 (09:43):
Experience matters. It does in the postseason.

Speaker 2 (09:46):
Yes, you're telling me, I get Jimmy Butler and Steph
Curry and I get three points huh, well, I mean,
where do I sign up for that in a Game seven?
I think you got to give the Rockets a lot
of credit Van Fleet especially, you know, the the veteran
really on this on this Rockets team that has been there,

(10:08):
done that really impressive stuff from him. I think Green's
been a little bit underwhelming, but sang Gooons and June
we've been, you know, trying to figure out how pronounce
the name properly. He's been a rock star. I had
an alternate assist prop on him the other night that
was like he hit it in the first half, like
he had like nine assists in the game. He almost
had a triple double and he's not a triple double guy.

(10:29):
So you definitely give a lot of credit to this
Rockets team. I know Dylan Brooks has kind of been
there before as well, So those are the two real
veterans on this team. But the young guys have stepped
up nicely. I need to see more from Green though.
But on the on the Warriors side, like let's just
talk about the number for a minute, right, Like they
were a four point dog on the road in Game five.
Now it's three, all right, what's changed between Game five?

(10:50):
And Game seven not a whole lot, you know. And
I know that the Rockets look hot right now. They've
scored one thirty one, one fifteen on the road last night,
like they look good. But they also had eighty five
points at home in Game one, so there certainly is
the potential for this thing to flip the other way.
And then you talk about the total, you know, I

(11:10):
know you're gonna be all over. This totals around two hundred.
This is by far the lowest total of the series.
The Game one total was two thirteen. Again, what's changed
in two weeks that this total has now dropped thirteen points.
I think the game seven vibes sometimes overwhelm the market,
where the total gets suppressed too much because it's a

(11:33):
Game seven, and there's actually value on the over. So
I think underdog and over for both games tonight Clippers Nuggets, tomorrow,
Warriors Rockets. That's kind of what I'm vibing here. Interesting.

Speaker 3 (11:46):
I like that the little uh, what would you say
under over underdogs?

Speaker 2 (11:50):
Yeah, underdogs and over totals.

Speaker 3 (11:52):
And by the way, I know you're scoring at home.
You mentioned two thirteen, which we all know is.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
A Selayer song right there, So It's a perfect way
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You just send that off to the Marconi people, you know.
Right anyway, we're shoot over. That's the way it goes
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he will no longer be the head coach of the
San Antonio Spurs. Pop is stepping down from that role.
He'll transition to be the full time team president. So

(13:43):
no longer head coach, he'll be team president. He has
had some health issues. He had a minor stroke back
in November, and he decided the grind of coaching was
too much to continue, which you can certainly appreciate right there,
and what a.

Speaker 6 (13:59):
Run though, here's my thing.

Speaker 3 (14:01):
The first question is this, what do you think Pop's
most impressive accomplishment is? And when you read off like
the dinner menu, it's like Wow, this is what in
stellar dinner we're about to have right here, right Like, Okay,
twenty nine seasons with the Spurs, that's the most with
the single franchise, over fourteen hundred regular season wins. That's

(14:22):
the most all time. Five championships, that's tied for third
all time. He won Coach of the Year three times,
it's tied for the most all time.

Speaker 6 (14:32):
Eighteen straight fifty win seasons.

Speaker 3 (14:34):
The longest streak of all time, and then he led
the Spurs to twenty two straight playoff appearances. When I
rattle that off, what would you put at the top
of the list? What leads off the rest of the
accomplishments in your mind?

Speaker 7 (14:47):
Rich?

Speaker 4 (14:48):
Uh? Who? Man?

Speaker 5 (14:51):
I want to say, consistency matters, especially when there's consistency
over a long period of time. Like one of the
most impressive things, for example, about Mike Tomlin with the
Pittsburgh Steelers is he's never had a losing.

Speaker 4 (15:06):
Record over the course of his career.

Speaker 5 (15:08):
Well, Popovich led the Spurs to a winning record in
each of his first twenty two full seasons.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (15:17):
Like, to me, that's one of those streaks that I'm
not sure will ever see matched. It's just insane, and
the fact that he's been this good for this long
is the reason why the Spurs still want whatever that
magic is.

Speaker 4 (15:35):
Within their building.

Speaker 5 (15:36):
You know, when Danny ainstepped down in Boston, Brad Stevens
took that job, I think it was summer of twenty
twenty one, right after the postseason, and moved up the ladder,
and he's still part of the organization.

Speaker 4 (15:49):
I think that's that's what the Spurs.

Speaker 5 (15:52):
Are thinking along the same lines of is hey, we
don't want to lose the brain trust. We just want
to obviously allow him to put the car in neutral
a little bit and to get what he needs out
of life as he's getting much older. And also you
still benefit from his knowledge and his wisdom.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
I agree. I think longevity would be the word I'll use. Actually,
I'll use a better word, bookends. And what do I
mean by that? So he won his first title in
nineteen ninety nine and he won his last title in
twenty fourteen, So that's a fifteen year bookend. How many

(16:36):
coaches can say that they went a fifteen year gap
and won a title on each end of it. And
I know he's coached for significantly longer since then. But
I think it's like maybe one or two coaches like
Phil Jackson, right, like nineties with the Lakers or nineties
with the Bulls and then later on with the Lakers.
Even Red hourback Like I'm looking at Red Hourbacks numbers. Now,
he won all of his titles in a very short

(16:57):
time period, like all in like a ten year span.
So the bookends of being able to do it for
that long of a period of time at the top
of your field in a fifteen year window with the
same team, I think is the way I would sum
up his career best.

Speaker 3 (17:16):
Yeah, listen, I don't think there's a wrong answer, unless
you say, like his record against the Charlotte Hornets.

Speaker 6 (17:22):
I don't know, so I guess there could be.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
Yeah, that's the wrong answer.

Speaker 3 (17:27):
Yeah, right, if you're looking at you right, if you're
looking at all the top accomplishments. I hate to be simplistic,
but it's the five championships, sure, that's what it is.
Because listen, the longevity is great. You know, the twenty
two straight postseason appearances, that's great. The longevity in terms

(17:47):
of like what you pointed out Rich, the not having
a losing record for all those seasons in a row.
All of that is great, but if he doesn't have championships,
we're all collectively saying, yeah, but where are the rings?

Speaker 4 (18:00):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (18:00):
Like the rings strengthen everything else, but without the rings,
everything else looks like, Okay, you did all this, but
you couldn't win it all.

Speaker 6 (18:10):
So that right, So that's the way it goes.

Speaker 3 (18:13):
You've got the ultimate success or else that's the thing
that's lacking on your resume.

Speaker 6 (18:20):
Put it this way, if.

Speaker 3 (18:21):
Mike Tomlin he's got one ring, but imagine if he
didn't have one ring with the Steelers and he's got
all these records, you know, over five hundred every single year,
we'd be like, that's great, but can you actually win
a ring. We've got this coach who's not as good
as you are, he's got ring. Where's your ring?

Speaker 4 (18:40):
Right?

Speaker 3 (18:40):
Like, so you've got to have that championship success and
he had it five of them, And I like what
you said that the gap in between how long, Like
a lot of coaches don't last fifteen years in the NBA,
let alone win a title like in ninety nine and
then twenty fourteen. So I think it's the rings above
all else and all these other accomplishments are huge, and

(19:03):
other coaches to.

Speaker 6 (19:04):
Be lucky to get there.

Speaker 3 (19:05):
But think of a guy like Jerry Sloan who had
a great, great career with the Utah Jazz was there
forever and they have a ring, And we don't talk
about Jerry Sloan as one of the greats because he
didn't win a ring that we talk about Greg Popovich
being one of the greats, if not the greatest of
all time because of those rings.

Speaker 5 (19:24):
I definitely don't disagree, and I think that you framed
it perfectly, that the things that Jared and I both
pointed out they're great. But Jared was really focusing on
two of his titles, and I was focusing on a
stretch of his career from the time when he was
a rookie coach until he was twenty two seasons in

(19:46):
where he didn't turn in a single losing record, which
is unbelievable. Yeah, but still without the championships, what are
you gonna say, you know, I mean, now, has it
been matched, Yeah, sure, but it puts him in a
rarefied air. Having five championships puts him in a rarefied
air that very few will ever touch, A very few

(20:09):
have ever done. And when you think about the type
of person it takes to manage personalities through decades, it
takes a lot of evolution, It takes.

Speaker 4 (20:22):
A lot of personal growth.

Speaker 5 (20:24):
Yeah, this is an older man in twenty fourteen who's
still able to inspire and encourage players who are now
much much younger than he was when, you know, in
terms of the age difference, the age gap than in
the nineties winning championships, and that matters. Hey, you know
what when you're a kid, when you're you know, twenty one,

(20:44):
twenty two year old kid, and you're looking at a
thirty six year old that guy seems so old.

Speaker 4 (20:49):
To you, but they're really not.

Speaker 5 (20:51):
You know, from the coaches perspective, you're like, jeez, I
mean I used to be there like yesterday, Like I
was twenty one yesterday. When you're thirty six, you look
back at twenty one twenty two and you go, oh
my gosh, like I can't believe it's been fifteen years,
you know.

Speaker 4 (21:06):
But then when you're when you're forty five.

Speaker 5 (21:09):
When you're fifty five, and you're looking back at twenty
two years old. Some of these guys coming into the
League younger than that at that point in his career,
when it's twenty fourteen and Pop is cobbling together a
championship with Kawhi Leonard and some of the remaining pieces
left over from the Duncan era, You're like, man, can
I do this again?

Speaker 4 (21:27):
And the truth is he found a way. Yes.

Speaker 5 (21:30):
The answer was yes, he could do it again. And
that's really impressive to be able to grow and to
evolve and still find a way to connect with the
locker room after all those years.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
Yeah, I was doing some reading because a lot of
you know, obviously, you get a lot of like pieces
that come out about his life, his coaching career, and
like how he's kind of grown into the role that
he's in now. I read a really interesting article on
the Athletic that was posted very early this morning by
Rust and Dodd, and he taught me something about Pap
I didn't know. His first job was at a D

(22:04):
three program in southern California, and he went two and
twenty two in his first year, if five losing seasons
out of his first seven years, and then all of
a sudden, in his thirties, he took a sabbatical in
Lawrence Kansas and he spent a year shadowing at the
time Kansas coach Larry Brown, and that's kind of when
it all changed for him. It kind of clicked right,

(22:25):
Like he had a ton of failure, Like he failed miserably.
He was in D three, two and twenty two in
his first career, like in D three and failed miserably
as a coach, and then took a break, took a
sabbatical and recalibrated his approach, and then he came back
and then of course, you know, ascended from there. And

(22:45):
I think that's a great lesson I think, and I
use this in my dating life now today that I'm
kind of in like the second chapter of it. If
you haven't failed at dating at this age, like I'm
thirty nine, I usually date women in their thirties, Like,
if you haven't failed at it yet, I don't want
to talk to you because I don't want to be
your first failure. Everyone fails at something that they're trying
to accomplish in the long term at first. You can't

(23:08):
be successful at something unless you fail at it first.
The most successful people on the planet are just the
people that have failed the most and didn't quit that's
just the way success is. You're like very rarely do
you just wake up and you're just successful right out
of the gate. You need to overcome adversity. You need
to learn how hard something is to really understand the

(23:29):
struggle behind it. And that I didn't know that about Pop,
that he had such a failure early on in his career,
like a terrible failure, D three burnout and then came
back and ascended to this greatness. It's a really interesting story.

Speaker 6 (23:42):
No, it's a great note right there.

Speaker 3 (23:46):
Draymond Green said something about Pop last night and he
was emotional.

Speaker 6 (23:50):
He was almost moved to tears.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
Like when I say, how would you describe Draymond Green.

Speaker 6 (23:55):
I don't know that you would say, you know, big.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
Teddy Bear, that Draymond Green like that at all.

Speaker 3 (24:03):
But listen to what Draymond Green said about Pop and
it really speaks to you, like put the accomplishments to
the side and just talk about the.

Speaker 6 (24:13):
Dude and connecting.

Speaker 3 (24:14):
It's sort of what you were talking about, Rich is
connecting with players that are much younger than you and
you're able to do Like how what's one of the
main reasons he was able to do that? Here's Draymond
last night on his relationship with Pop.

Speaker 8 (24:29):
It just appears as if he's like this mean old man,
and he is the complete opposite, like complete opposite, the
nicest person you ever want to be around.

Speaker 4 (24:40):
He cares about people so much.

Speaker 8 (24:46):
And I was lucky enough and honored to have the
opportunity to spend a summer with him and play for him.
I gave him my shoes from the gold medal game.
He wore them to the next first game, played them,
and every hug since there hasn't been so much to me,

(25:07):
just to go over to the sideline and hug him,
and to see him leave this game from the sideline.
Obviously they say he'll be the president, but that does
nothing for me, but to not you know, it's sucked
playing against the Spurs this year and look over and
not see him there, and to know that I'll never

(25:29):
get the opportunity again. I just wish I had one
last time to go hug him on the sideline.

Speaker 4 (25:34):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (25:35):
Right, that's again, that's Draymond Green. It's fiery, some people say,
as crazy as it gets, and he's like, I freaking
love this guy. You can't feel that way about someone
who's just only about themselves. And that's what you hear
about Pop time and time and time again. It's these dinners,
these famous dinners where he's like, all right, you know,

(25:56):
let's go eat and the wine is.

Speaker 2 (25:59):
Flowing, and he was just like that.

Speaker 3 (26:01):
And it's funny because you get these sideline interviews that
he hated doing. He detested doing those in game interviews,
and you might think, like.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
Man, this guy is like the he is so crotchety.

Speaker 3 (26:13):
But there was that other side, like you're not gonna
have players warm up to you if you're just gruff
with them all the time.

Speaker 6 (26:20):
And so he absolutely had that other setting.

Speaker 3 (26:23):
So hey, what a career on the sideline for Pop
is one of the best, if not the best. And
I think that's the other thing is when you start
seeing the coaches last night, like Emi Udoka, Steve Kerr,
like these guys like the tree you know we always
talk about, like the Bill Walsh coaching tree and some
of the best head coaches ever, like the Greg Popovich

(26:46):
coaching tree. That's part of his legacy. Also, it's not
just what he did, it's what he helped others come about
and what they're doing as well. So man, it goes
even deeper than just his accomplishments and what he did
over the course of his time.

Speaker 5 (27:02):
Yeah, and what Draymond's words spoke to is thoughtfulness. And
I'm always baffled when I'm around a really thoughtful person.
I know in my life I've become more thoughtful. I've
been around great examples, my wife being one of them.
She's taught me a lot about empathy and how to
see things through other people's perspectives. And I think that's

(27:25):
what it takes to be an excellent head coach and
one who can sort of span those decades that he's coached.
It's being able to empathize with somebody even though some
of their pursuits and some of their emotional toil seems juvenile.

Speaker 4 (27:43):
And it seems it seems so.

Speaker 5 (27:45):
Fleeting because you have this perspective of being an aged,
mature person in this world and ah, you know, who
cares if she broke up with your kid?

Speaker 4 (27:56):
You know, get back on the horse.

Speaker 5 (27:58):
There's plenty of fision to see whatever people usually say
to try to, you know, sort of flick off the
importance of something that is absolutely wrecking somebody. Because the
worst thing that's ever happened to you is the worst
thing that's ever happened to you.

Speaker 4 (28:12):
You know, you don't have.

Speaker 5 (28:13):
The perspective of a seventy year old man on the
sidelines of your basketball team telling you, Hey, whatever's happening
in your personal life, you've got to put it aside
and focus on the most important thing in the world
right now. That's that's going to echo into your into
your your life and your your career. And you know,
if we win this championship, nobody wants to hear that
when their heart's been broken, or nobody wants to hear

(28:34):
that when a parent's been you know, when something's happened
in your personal life that's disastrous to you, right you know.
And and that's what a coach has to be sometimes
is a part time psychologist. And that's what Draymond Green
is alluding to there. He coached him for a summer. Draymond,
out of gratefulness, gives him a pair of sneakers, pair

(28:59):
of basketball shoes. Months and months and months later, when
the Spurs faced the Warriors, pops wearing those shoes, he
didn't even talk about whether or not they're the same size.
You know what I mean, like, that's just a keepsake,
that's just a gift, that's something you put up on
your shelf in your office.

Speaker 4 (29:17):
For Greg Popovich.

Speaker 5 (29:18):
Instead, he popped them on his feet, and whether they
were three eight six sizes too big, he wore them
on the sideline the next time the Warriors were in town,
just to show back to Draymond Man, I value you too.
I'm grateful for you too. Look at the shoes, the
ones you gifted me. I'm wearing them, thanks Draymond. Like

(29:38):
those are the thoughtful that those are the examples of
thoughtfulness that not only a great man, but a great
coach embodies. And it is the reason why he was
able to have success and connect with locker rooms for
that entire span. It is just a small example, I
promise you there were many many examples, And Brian, you
brought up, you know, the dinner table conver stations that

(30:00):
he would have these famous dinners that he would have
with players and coaches and the like, where you know,
people walked away feeling like they a whole new world
was open to them because he's he's so wise. Greg
Popovich will be missed by basketball being on the sideline
hopefully his impact is still felt as a front office

(30:21):
member of the San Antonio Spurs.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
I think it will be. I think that's like my
guess is and I joked, I did a show yesterday.
This is like we needed like an episode of secession
about you know how this plan probably has been concocted
over the last couple of years because you know Pop's
health concerns and obviously you know Father times undefeated with
this kind of stuff. I'm sure there was some kind

(30:44):
of plan in place for a significant amount of time
when the inevitability happens that he was going to take
a step back. It kind of the vibes I'm getting
here today, And I never thought I was gonna make
this comparison, but let's make it. Are we are we
in the Ted Lasso vicinity here with Greg Popovich. I mean,
don't if you guys are familiar with that show, but

(31:04):
like the whole vibe of that show is Ted doesn't care,
you know, wins or losses on the field or on
the pitch soccer. He's more about making these men better
people off the field, and you know, kind of giving
his life lessons and his positive affirmations to make them
better humans, and I know that. Obviously pop cares very

(31:28):
much about what happens on the court wins and losses.
Ted Lasso is a little bit of a sack Hire
in that sense, but there is a there is a
little bit of ted lasso Ian vibes with the Draymond story,
Like that's where That's what I get from it.

Speaker 6 (31:41):
No, it makes sense, it does, you know?

Speaker 2 (31:44):
You know, gosh these platforms, man, like if you if
you went all in, what it would cost you, like
Apple Plus.

Speaker 6 (31:51):
I'm not an Apple Plus guy.

Speaker 3 (31:52):
No, I mean, like, I mean, but it's so good.
I know, I know it is so good. I'm familiar
with it. But like again, if you're going on like.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
Hey, I gotta get Max.

Speaker 3 (32:01):
I want to see the end of us or whatever
that's called there.

Speaker 2 (32:05):
I'm in the and Or these I don't think guys
are in the Star Wars. And Or is just freaking phenomenal.

Speaker 5 (32:10):
Everybody's talking about, Oh go on the train, Yeah you
really do?

Speaker 2 (32:14):
Yeah, yeah, all right.

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Speaker 2 (33:42):
Game seven, Baby, all right, so it's the NBA theme
again this week. I think we hit last week. I
actually forget. It was a very exciting weekend. But I
forget if we hit last week or not. But let's
go back to the NBA. Let's just say we did. Yeah,
let's just say we did.

Speaker 4 (33:56):
We're on a winning streak.

Speaker 2 (33:57):
Let's go for two this week. Game seven unders. That's
usually the vibe, right, And I understand what you're thinking.
Game seven. Things tighten up, fewer possessions. Those are all facts.
But in the first round over the last twenty years,
actually more overs than unders in game seven, sixteen and
fifteen since two thousand and two. And why well, the

(34:19):
market adjusts down and sometimes it adjusts too much. For example,
Clippers Nugget Game one of this series, the total was
two twenty five. That game wasn't played last year. That
game was played two weeks ago. And now we're seeing
in Game seven tonight two oh seven and a half.
So let's buy a point off of that, and let's
go two oh six and a half. And let's go

(34:40):
over with the Clippers and Nuggets. I think the Clippers
offense with James Harden found something in Game six, and
I think we're gonna see a little bit more offense
than the market is expecting. Numbers adjusted too much over
Clippers Nuggets Game seven tonight, All right, give.

Speaker 5 (34:53):
Me Clippers plus three and a half. Uh look, I'll
give you three reasons.

Speaker 4 (34:58):
You probably don't need them.

Speaker 5 (35:00):
But star power between Kawhi Leonard and James Harden. Harden
at a big bounce back game in Game six.

Speaker 4 (35:06):
Kawhi has been.

Speaker 5 (35:07):
Playing consistently good over the course of this series against
the Nuggets. Defensive adjustments and lineup changes have helped the
Clippers exhaust the Nuggets a little bit. I think a
faster tempo and throwing fresher bodies at the Nuggets has
been a little bit of an issue for Denver to
keep up with, and a little bit of a momentum

(35:29):
momentum and defensive shift that's occurred. The front court has
done a nice job against Jokis, Zubac and Jones Junior
have been causing him issues in the paint. If they
keep that up, I think at very least they could
keep it close.

Speaker 4 (35:43):
If not win game seven, give me the Clippers plus three.

Speaker 2 (35:45):
And a half.

Speaker 4 (35:47):
Okay, I'm gonna.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
Go with the Warriors.

Speaker 3 (35:50):
I'm gonna go with the Warriors plus two and a
half in Game seven. Gotta love the zig zag approach
in NBA playoff basketball. You know, the zigzag is basically
what happens the previous game, bet the other way the
next game. And there are a lot of spots where
you have just raked in the cash. And I think

(36:12):
this is a great, a premium zig zag spot where
last night we just saw the Rockets flex their muscles,
like these these young kids, these these you know, these
young guns over here right like, look at them push
around the.

Speaker 6 (36:28):
Vets and yeah, that's all cool.

Speaker 3 (36:30):
But Game seven, it's all on the line, and I
look at Steph Curry playoff Jimmy, They're gonna have to
ratchet up their defense. But say this, are you more are.

Speaker 6 (36:43):
You put it this way?

Speaker 4 (36:45):
Are you.

Speaker 6 (36:47):
A bigger believer in?

Speaker 3 (36:48):
Say Steph Curry in playoff Jimmy or in Shangoon and
Van v Leek, and both those guys have been fantastic.
But again, this is game seven. It's all on the line.
I would take the headliners of the Warriors quicker, and
then when you're starting to think about the others and
what I would coin the other others, like the you

(37:11):
got role players and then you have the even lesser
role players.

Speaker 6 (37:15):
When you look.

Speaker 3 (37:16):
Collectively, I could absolutely see the non headliners of the
Warriors out performing the Rockets, and so I think you're
gonna see a much different Golden State team in Game seven.
They let one slip through their fingers last night at home,
and I think they have put it this way. They
have a whole hell noe switch right, like, oh no,

(37:39):
we're not going out like this. I don't know that
the young gun Rockets quite have that switch chest yet
we'll find out. Game stuff is gonna be a lot
of fun. But I've got the Warriors plus the points.
What are we looking at payout wise?

Speaker 4 (37:51):
Here? Like you?

Speaker 2 (37:51):
Well, I have a question for you being home, Okay,
you want to go safe and buy a point and
get at the three and a half. If you do
that with the Warriors, we got plus four ninety one.
If you go straight two and a half, which is
your original selection, it's plus five twenty four. If you
want to get feisty and you go Warriors money line,

(38:14):
which is plus one twenty, then you get up to
six to one on the parlad. So I will allow
you to choose your own adventure at wild, medium or hot.
I'm trying.

Speaker 6 (38:27):
I'm trying to figure out the price is right game.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
This remind Plink Goslin.

Speaker 4 (38:32):
Could we go moneyline, money line, money line?

Speaker 2 (38:35):
Oh you want to go money line Warriors, money line Clippers. Well,
now we're really cooking with gas, all right. Money Line Warriors,
money line Clippers over two oh six and a half
Clippers Nuggets is plus seven fourteen. Wow, now we're getting up.
Now we're cooking with gas. I'll put now it's like takata. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (38:57):
I could be talked into this depending on Rich's level
of custo.

Speaker 6 (39:02):
Here, but I'll put it this.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
I'll be completely honest with you.

Speaker 3 (39:05):
I like the Warriors to win the game, but if
this is a lake of a parlay, I would go
plus two and a half.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
I would stick with what that's fair. And also the
total is incredibly low in both of these games, especially
the Warriors Rockets game. I mean we're pushing two hundred
in that Warrior's Rockets game, which means the points duke
tend to matter more than like a game that's like,
for example, you know, Tyabs Pacers is two thirty tomorrow
a little bit.

Speaker 3 (39:30):
Less, right, And that's the thing, Man, two and a
half doesn't sound like much.

Speaker 6 (39:34):
You're like, what's that really gonna do?

Speaker 3 (39:36):
Two and a half might have been him on the
money line, It's like you would be shocked.

Speaker 2 (39:40):
Especially, Yeah, seven games land two and three of the
most that's right become in handy. I'll go with plus
two and a half myself. Yeah, let's let's play it safe.

Speaker 4 (39:48):
We're on a winning streak.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
Presumably, let's shame and we'll go plus three and a
half Clippers plus two and a half Warriors over two
oh six and a half Clippers Nuggets. That is plus
five twenty four, So five to one not bad.

Speaker 4 (40:08):
I think that's solid. That's solid.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
Parlot, Saw Parlot.

Speaker 3 (40:12):
You don't thumb your nose up at a five to
one hit, you know, No, it's a nice hit right there. Absolutely, Okay, Hi,
coming up next, you probably have many opinions about this event,
But what's your main takeaway?

Speaker 2 (40:28):
Oh, what's going on? Happy Saturday to you?

Speaker 3 (40:31):
What's your main takeaway when it comes to the twenty
twenty five NFL Draft?

Speaker 2 (40:37):
It was one week ago.

Speaker 3 (40:38):
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to day three. You know we got hot takes when
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we start with you rich. We're looking for what you
find anything.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
It could be anything.

Speaker 3 (41:18):
What do you find the most interesting about the twenty
twenty five draft? What pick do you think will be
the most impactful, What will you remember the most? Anything?

Speaker 6 (41:27):
An you can go your own way.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
I can't hit the high notes today.

Speaker 3 (41:31):
You know, I don't know what's going on with my voice.
But what is your main takeaway when it comes to
the twenty twenty five NFL Draft as a whole.

Speaker 4 (41:39):
I love two of the questions that you asked.

Speaker 5 (41:41):
There, my main takeaway and the most impactful player. I'll
start with takeaway defense. I think that the emphasis on
versatility in the defensive backfield continues to be a trend
in the NFL draft, finding players who can play multiple positions.
They can cover out of the slot, they can cover

(42:04):
on the corners of the defense, but also they can
play in the box. You know, there are rare athletes
who can do that, but they're becoming more and more
prevalent at the college level, and teams are gambling with
much higher picks on players like that. And then, of
course it was a deep pass rusher draft. We know that,

(42:25):
and we know that a lot of teams spent high
draft capital to shore up the edges of their defense because,
like we know, if quarterbacks the most important position on
the football field, the very next one you have to
think about is who is going to be harassing the
quarterback on the defensive side of the ball, so defense
is trying to keep up with these high powered passing offenses.

Speaker 4 (42:46):
Is a huge takeaway.

Speaker 5 (42:47):
And then in terms of the most impactful player, it's
kind of like just sprinkle instant coffee and water and
go ash Gingenty to the Raiders. I think he's going
to cure a lot of what ails them and they're
going to have to rely on him because I don't
know if they're one hundred percent short up at quarterback.
But I like their offensive coordinator, I like their head coach.

(43:09):
I think they'll work well together. We've seen Carol what
his offense is can look look like, and obviously is
more defensive minded coach, but what he likes to get
done offensively with tempo control and things like that when
he has a bruising running back, you know, during those
Marshawn Lynch years in Seattle. So I think Gashton Genty

(43:30):
is going to be the most impactful player in this
year's draft.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
Wow. I like that a lot. So Mike Clay ESPN
put out his rankings already or his projections i should say,
for the season, which is incredible by him to have
the projections out in basically the end of April, and
I was looking at gent because his props are starting
to come out, not only Rookie of the Year, which
I don't really like the bet futures market at you know,

(43:56):
the favorite. Essentially he's the favorite, but I mean he
deserves to be the favorite. But Mike Klave's got him
projected for eleven twenty five as a rookie. I mean,
that's a really good rookie season. But I'm seeing his
prop numbers in like the nine to fifty range. So yeah,
I don't love betting running back prop overs. But I
feel like I'm looking at the rest of this backfield

(44:18):
and it's most dirt. McCormick is a mere white. I mean,
there's it's slim pickings aarre Vegas for a Gino Smith.
That is an interesting, I think season that the Raiders
are gonna have. I kind of like what the Raiders
did in the draft, I really do. And I think
in general, I think the the general managers are really

(44:39):
starting to show us their their their hands in a sense.
For example, Brad Holmes now with the Lions, so all
he's been with the team now for I think this
is his fifth draft, all thirteen of his top two
round picks have all come from Big ten or SEC schools.
Oh wow, Like you can start to map out these

(45:03):
general managers based off of where they pick, who they pick,
where the players play, what their athlete score is, what
their profiles are, and you can really pin down what
these plans are for these teams. For example, to Rich's
point on the defense, Arizona defensive minded head coach Jonathan

(45:26):
gannon really good quarterback situation.

Speaker 4 (45:29):
Right.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
I think Kyler Murray's, you know, in the top half
of the league in terms of quarterback situations. I put
him in that realm so they didn't need a ton
on offense. You can always use more offense. Arizona went
defense in the first round, defense in the second round,
defense in the third round, defense in the fourth round,
defense in the fifth round. Profile of the head coach

(45:51):
to the team, let's flip the coin to Jacksonville. Jacksonville
with an offensive minded head coach. To I know Travis
Hunter plays both ways, but I think based on what
we're hearing, he's gonna play a lot more offense than defense,
at least early on in his career. Jacksonville decided to
go offense with their first pick, right, trading up for

(46:11):
Travis Hunter. So I think you can start to profile
the coaches, the gms based off of who they are,
who they pick, and then you can start to slot
in what is the identity of this team? And I
think that's always the most intriguing part of every draft,
to kind of push that ball forward and to continue
to map out who these gms are and what the
team's identity profile will be based off of their draft.

Speaker 4 (46:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:35):
The thing with Travis Hunter that's interesting to me is
the Browns where they're like, oh, yeah, he's like Otani
and then in their next breath they're like, yeah, we'll
trade down.

Speaker 6 (46:44):
It's like, what That's kind of weird how that worked out.

Speaker 3 (46:48):
But as far as my main takeaway, outside of the
way you pronounce Marriott, apparently as a big sponsor of
the ESPN coverage, I always said Marriott. Am I the
only guy out out there that said Marriott? No, they
just say it's Courtyard by Marriott.

Speaker 2 (47:04):
That's what they say. I think they were mispronouncing it.

Speaker 3 (47:07):
Then Oh yeah, really that's the way it is.

Speaker 6 (47:11):
Yeah, if you pay attention to.

Speaker 2 (47:12):
The commercial today years old, when I learned that that's yeah.

Speaker 3 (47:16):
Likewise, yeah, well, beyond that, the draft, which is a big,
big picture takeaway for sure, you know, I just go
with a couple of quarterbacks. I don't understand how cam
Ward goes number one while should door Sanders goes number
one forty four?

Speaker 6 (47:34):
Yeah, I just that still blows my mind.

Speaker 3 (47:36):
And beyond that, what really stands out is the general takeaway.
It's almost universal where it's like, yeah, that makes sense.
I'm like, I'm like, wait a minute, hold on, run
that by me again. Where I'm one of the few
that say I would not take cam Ward number one
overall if I'm the Tennessee Titans, not when Travis Hunter,

(47:58):
an Abdul Carter or right there, I just would not
do that.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
Cam Ward. He's a playmaker, he's got talent.

Speaker 3 (48:06):
We know that, But the decision making far too often
you're like, bro.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
What the hell was that? What were you doing? Right there?

Speaker 3 (48:14):
Br come on, you're doing the Josh Allen tumbling out
of bounds, throwing it across the middle of the field.

Speaker 6 (48:21):
Like not everybody Josh Allen?

Speaker 3 (48:23):
You know, so I would not have picked him number
one and the tumble to the fifth round. I don't
understand so many QB Needy teams. It's funny where we're
playing this game where it's like, where's Aaron Rodgers gonna
end up? There aren't any more teams, and it's like
maybe for him, But that doesn't mean every team is
set at quarterback. It just means they're stubborn or they're

(48:46):
hopeful to a fault. The Jets still need a quarterback.

Speaker 2 (48:50):
They have not solved their quarterback situation with Justin Field.
The Colts have Anthony Freakin Richardson, who's sub fifty percent
completing passes in the NFL.

Speaker 3 (49:00):
His numbers are dbo esque. They don't have a quarterback.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
And so for.

Speaker 3 (49:05):
QB needy teams to just be like, nah, I think
we're good right now blows my freaking mind. So it's
those two qbs, cam Ward going number one ahead of some.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
Blue chip prospects.

Speaker 3 (49:18):
In Travis Hunter, in Abdul Hunter, Abdul Carter, and then
it's it's Shador falling to pick one for fours.

Speaker 4 (49:27):
Crazy.

Speaker 3 (49:29):
I don't care what you perceive in terms of baggage.
These teams always overdraft quarterbacks and yet he fell that far.

Speaker 6 (49:36):
That is stunning.

Speaker 3 (49:37):
And I'll tell you what, I can't wait to see
how that plays out over the years to come ward
and shouldure. That's my main takeaway is those two guys.

Speaker 5 (49:44):
Yeah, yeah, and you know, just to like go a
little bit deeper down the Shadoor Sanders or really more
specifically the Browns rabbit hole at quarterback. I mean, can
you think of a franchise that has either been more
unlucky at that position or has done a worst job
of filling that position than the Browns. The three names

(50:06):
that have had the most success at quarterback in Brown's
history Otto Graham, Frank Ryan, Bernie Coozar Yanks. None of
them have played football for the last forty five years.
The Cleveland Browns are a disaster of a franchise. I
mean you mentioned the Colts. I mean, yeah, they have
Anthony Richardson, but they also had Peyton Manning and Andrew

(50:28):
Luck recently. I mean we're not talking about, you know,
as recently as this half decade, but I mean recently
enough that it netted them a championship within our lifetimes.
I mean, the Browns are a disaster. So having an
opportunity to draft shad or Sanders if they like them,

(50:49):
and skipping over him enough times so that now as
a fifth round draft pick, buried on the depth chart.
I don't think the situation works with him as a
backup quarterback. I'm not even entirely sure it would work
with him as a starting quarterback if he was a
first round draft pick. We'll see how it all bears out.

(51:10):
But but yeah, it's just it's baffling to me how
bad certain teams are and you can't just say, oh, well,
it's you know, it's just ownership. Oh well, it's you know,
just this front office. Oh well, it's you know, it's
just this head coach or wherever you want to levy
the blame, because there have been so many iterations, so
many turns of the key over the past few decades

(51:32):
that I mean, there are a lot of different sets
of hands dirtied that there's a lot of blame to
go around.

Speaker 4 (51:39):
I just it's baffling to me how.

Speaker 5 (51:41):
Bad they are at this at that specific position, because
they've had a lot of good teams around that position.

Speaker 4 (51:46):
They just have not really zeroed in on the quarterback yet.

Speaker 2 (51:51):
Yeah. I don't love what the Browns did in this draft.
I will say this, I do like Judkins. I thought
that was a decent pick. In the second round. It
looks like he's going to be the starter. I mean
him and Jerome Ford, I think are going to battle.
But I would prefer Judkins at least early on. I mean,
we'll see what happens in camp. The linebacker they took
from UCLA. I thought those second round picks Schweinschneiger, schwein

(52:12):
Schneider not pronounce his name name, UCLA guy, right, I
know Bo loves him, and Judkins I think those were
the two best picks. And fan and two I think
in the third round, you know we we we watched
him last year Rick tear up our Penn State Nittany line.
So yeah, he's a guy. I think that can cause
some problems. But obviously it's gonna be Djoku tight end

(52:34):
one in Cleveland. But then you get to the back
half of the draft, like Mason Graham fell to them
at five once they traded out of five. From what
I heard and read, they wanted to keep trading back
but they couldn't, and so they just took Mason Graham
at five. I think that's like, you know, you kind
of get stuck with the girl at the bar that
you're not really interested in. And you're just like, all right,
well I need someone, so I'm gonna go home with you.

(52:55):
That's kind of where I think Mason Graham to the
like he feels a need. But that was not the
preferred spot I think for what Cleveland wanted to do there.
And then you're right, Brian, like, I think the crazy
part is the craziest part about all this. They took
Dylan Gabriel first. Yeah, that's the part about this that
I don't understand. And if you go back and you

(53:16):
watch the clip of Andrew Berry right after they made
the selection, it looks like they're going to the dentist
like they were not happy to make that Shador Sanders selection.
Do you think Jimmy has them? The owner called in
and said, listen, you gotta take this kid because Cleveland
was the spot that we all thought made sense as
a fit. And then we heard deonce Cleveland and making

(53:37):
jokes about going to Cleveland. But if you actually break
down their quarterback situation, this is the best spot for
Shador Sanders. You have a veteran in Joe Flacco that
they don't want to be the starter but can in
an emergency. You've got Kenny Pickett, who they love, but
I think deep down they don't really love them. It's

(53:58):
a rookie I think that can go into that camp
and take that job and run with it and it
I mean, I don't think it's gonna Dylan Gabriel. But
the way he was drafted, that's where you would assume
the shador thing was. They just served him a giant
slice of humble pie and that's not something he's ever
eaten before, and I think it didn't taste very well
based off of how things went down. But does he

(54:19):
learn from it?

Speaker 4 (54:20):
Right?

Speaker 2 (54:21):
Rich, Like you've been in that situation before where you
get pushed aside and you kind of get overlooked. Do
you learn from it from your mistakes in the pre
draft process, and do you bounce back strong in camp?
He has an opportunity to win that job, right, We'll
see if he.

Speaker 4 (54:33):
Takes it well.

Speaker 3 (54:33):
That's the the interesting part is I think most of
the talk has been up to this point, but I
like what you're doing. You're spinning it forward. There's not
a ton of spinning it forward. We're hung up on
the slide and what was the reason for the slide
and arguing about the slide shouldn't have happened.

Speaker 4 (54:49):
No, it should have.

Speaker 3 (54:50):
It should We're not spinning it forward and like you're
in the same quarterback room as Flacco, Kenny Pickett, Dylan Gabriel.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
It's like that's not a bad spot to be in.

Speaker 6 (55:02):
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at bet MGM. He gets us all set for game seven,

(56:00):
so we've got four of them collectively between today and
tomorrow NBA NHL Playoffs, So we will just run down
the docket with him and get his his seamous special, which,
who knows, might not.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
Even be in those two categories. We'll find out.

Speaker 3 (56:16):
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Speaker 6 (56:38):
I'll tell you what.

Speaker 3 (56:39):
We're gonna catch up with Seamus McGee, hopefully pretty soon here.
I can't believe he's celebrating his thirtieth birthday.

Speaker 2 (56:47):
I don't know why.

Speaker 6 (56:48):
I just thought Seamus was like fifty two.

Speaker 2 (56:50):
Or something like that.

Speaker 3 (56:53):
Yeah, young at heart, but I don't know. It's probably
just the job itself.

Speaker 4 (56:58):
I just I don't know.

Speaker 6 (57:00):
Yes, crazy, let's dive into this.

Speaker 2 (57:02):
Follow the money, real good money, all right.

Speaker 3 (57:05):
Seamus McGee, team lead of sports trading at bet MGM,
He joins us here, Seamus, My gosh, dude, I thought
you were like double your age. You're a young buck.
This is amazing to me. How did this happen?

Speaker 2 (57:16):
Seamus?

Speaker 7 (57:19):
I definitely steel older? Uh Bertie is it can't creeping up?
I gotta be honest.

Speaker 6 (57:29):
Well, let's start with this.

Speaker 3 (57:30):
What do you guys at BETMGM need the most this weekend?

Speaker 4 (57:33):
Right?

Speaker 3 (57:33):
You got four game seven's collectively. You've got another NBA
game to throw in there as well. Maybe it's the Derby.
You need journalism to win out right. I don't know
what you guys need. What do you need the most
this weekend?

Speaker 7 (57:47):
Well, the basketball dogs gave us a great gift by
the Timberwolves knocking out the Lakers in five games. Ever,
our biggest liability on the sportsbook. So now we look
tomorrow with our now biggest lie AliOS for the Warriors.
We'd love to see the Rockets take that home, get
that liability off the books real quick. Rockets are you know,
a decent chunk loser for us as well, but not

(58:10):
as bad as the Warriors, so we'd like to get
them bounced early.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
Yeah, that series is super intriguing, I think all the
series in general, right Tchamus, Like when we get to
the game sevens even game six is You've got five
six games of data to go off of. I'm fascinated
to see how much attention the market gives to the unders.
Like the game one total between Denver and LAC was

(58:33):
two twenty five. We're sitting at two oh seven now
in Game seven. And again it's not like these teams
played six months ago. The Game one was like two
and a half weeks ago. So you really see the
market make a big emphasis on the unders and deflate
those totals throughout the course of the series. Has it
adjusted too much? And does the public think Game seven

(58:54):
tonight is going over?

Speaker 7 (58:56):
Yeah, it's definitely an interesting way. I already talking about
it before, And yeah, I was a little surffrised too
because I forgot completely forgot to open two twenty five
and a half in game one, but right now, mostly
over money this opened. I think honestly two o five
and a half. A lot of money came in on
over there, and so we're currently sitting at two o

(59:16):
seven and a half. But you look at these games,
I mean, I think only one of them. I think
only two of them actually went over that two oh
seven and a half mark, so I don't know if
markets ad justed too much. But we'll see if this
ticks up even further.

Speaker 4 (59:31):
By tip off, you got Nuggets.

Speaker 5 (59:35):
They're favored by one and a half today against the
Clippers tomorrow. I think it's a narrow spread with the
Warriors two favored by two and a half. I think
bet MGM right now has them up to when somebody
looks at some of these spreads and they think to themselves,
why not just take I don't know, the Rockets on
the money line, or why not just take the Clippers

(59:55):
on the money line?

Speaker 4 (59:57):
Why not? I guess?

Speaker 5 (59:59):
Is the question like, do you think a couple of
points one way or another makes a huge difference?

Speaker 4 (01:00:05):
Shamus? What does you know?

Speaker 5 (01:00:07):
I almost feel like I'm asking you a blackjack question?
What does the book say?

Speaker 7 (01:00:13):
Basketball? For me is one where if you want to
play the money line on a one and a half point,
I usually do it because the amount of times I
get screwed that's twenty minus one and a half, my
team win by one. But as far as like the
Clippers Nuggets go, we're seeing pretty decent two A actions
so far that money line Nuggets Clippers, So I mean,

(01:00:34):
we'll see when it tips off. Slightly more money is
on the Nuggets at a cheaper minus one ten price,
But if you go to the Warriors Rockets game, a
lot more of the money on the money line is
coming in on the Rockets, and a lot more money
on the spread is coming in on the Warriors. So
I do think some people still have like an idea
that they would rather take some points rather than the

(01:00:56):
money line. I think, particularly with an underdog.

Speaker 3 (01:01:00):
Seamus McGee joining us here on Countdown. I hate when
when media guys like myself ask a two part question,
But I'm going to become what I hate right here
because in the interest of time, we have to do this. Seamus,
what makurias two things? How often do you see cross
sport parlays, meaning like an NHL leg like matched with

(01:01:23):
an NBA playoff leg And then also you'll see tomorrow
there's a Game seven in the NBA and there's also
a Game one in the NBA. Do you typically see
a lot more action like in a Game six, a
Game seven of a particular series, or in like a
Game one or Game.

Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
Two, how does that normally shake out as well?

Speaker 7 (01:01:43):
It's a Game sevens we love because the handles really balloon.
A lot of people want to get action on that
Game one as well, Like it's you know, there's no
you know, it's not Game four where you've seen it
kind of play out. Some people get a little skittish
about some games Game one. People definitely want to get
their toes in the water. As far as cross sport
play parlays go, I mean, you'll see them all the

(01:02:06):
time during like October when you have all four major
sports going on. Today, this weekend is a great weekend
for especially with multiple Game sevens. We're definitely gonna see
a lot of them this week.

Speaker 2 (01:02:17):
Let's go to another Game seven on the ice. We
don't talk about hockey a ton on this show. Let's
start to talk about it a little bit more as
we get closer to the finals. But you've got a
fantastic series between Colorado and Dallas that'll finish tonight. The
Game seven undervibes have been much more prominent in hockey
than in basketball lately. Last year Game sevens, all four

(01:02:39):
of them stayed under the total, and three out of
the four were very tight one goal games. Is that
your vibe for this one five and a half? The
total Colorado is slight favorite on the road, well, taking.

Speaker 7 (01:02:49):
Slightly more money on the over five and a half
right now, But I mean I kind of like the
under here. I think both goalis have played exception exceptionally
well so far. Definitely see this thing out. I mean
you see a lot of this over stuff, mainly because
the Stars were really banged up on their blue line
coming into this series. But I think Jake Gotten's shown
why he's one of the best goaltenders in the game

(01:03:11):
right now. And Mackenzie Blackwood, I mean, he's played really
well this year, one of the best goalies so far
in the playoffs. So I also like the under here.

Speaker 5 (01:03:19):
Shdoor Sanders was such a highly touted prospect, and I
guess with when you look at all the draft analysts,
they were fooled.

Speaker 4 (01:03:29):
When you look at some of the executives in.

Speaker 5 (01:03:32):
Front offices of the NFL, they were fooled because there
were certain you know, either anonymous or on the record
quote saying how shocked some of these coaches in front
office members were. How did everybody, including Vegas get this
so wrong?

Speaker 7 (01:03:48):
Well, so his over under ropp was twenty one and
a half because it just felt like it's not no
one really saw him going top ten. There was a
little bit of smoke that maybe the shades we're going
to take it to be at nine. But it was
crazy because the day of the draft, it was a
lot of dart Steam going at nine overall over Shador.

(01:04:09):
And that's when you kind of felt watching the odds
that you know, things were starting to fall into place,
and maybe Shador is going to fall limit or at
the very least Steelers at twenty one, which felt like
that was going to be it for a while. And
I was, honestly, I was waiting for you guys to
talk to you because I was listening before. I don't
know where this damn ward plannder is coming from, incarnate

(01:04:31):
word legend. I don't know what we're doing.

Speaker 2 (01:04:37):
I've got him apologize, apologize. It's very well played by you.

Speaker 7 (01:04:42):
We're talking about like we're surprised of these quotes coming out.
Have you heard him talk Shador in these press conferences?
Are you going to talk about his own teammates? I'm
not I wasn't surprised in the slightest all the anonymous
sources coming out. I mean, is he better than Tyler
Shop I think he is probably. I thought Shock went

(01:05:02):
higher than I would have thought he would ever go
in an NFL draft. But I mean, these are things
I think a lot of teams have to take into account.
Is how is this guy going to be in a
locker room? If my Jets took him, it would be
an unmitigated nightmare at that Life Stadium. It would every
week it would be Deon Sanders falling into radio stations.

(01:05:23):
If my son got to play. The fan base is
already annoying as it is, they would be screwed and
he would come in and he would probably awful like
every other Jets quarterback. Like I'm not surprised. I think
he felt too far. I will say through I was
crazy to me. I mean, he did show a lot.
I think, you know, he does complete a lot of passes,
but takes a lot of sacks. He doesn't really take

(01:05:45):
a lot of chances. So I think there were a
lot of teams that were a They didn't think he
was that good. And he completely watched the pre draft process,
which is why I think you saw him fall and
you really started to see it all come together the
day of the draft, watching some odds move really against him,
really because you saw dark dodds like skyrocketing up to

(01:06:05):
be the next quarterback taken.

Speaker 3 (01:06:07):
I did not realize it was p one, Seamus McGee.
I did not realize that you're deep in the game
of countdown.

Speaker 2 (01:06:15):
This is amazing newshamous. All right, special this weekend. What
do you have at the top of your betting list?
Give us a Derby pick?

Speaker 7 (01:06:23):
So I have to give you my Derby long shot.
A Japanese horse has never won the Kentucky Derby, and
I think that might change today with admirer Daytona in
the sixth Bowl. You get him huge odds right now.
He's a it's a very fast horse. The conditions are
going to be a little sloppy today, so I think
it's gonna be a really wide open race. I like

(01:06:44):
fading a little on journalism because you know a lot
of the fields journalism rides on mostly like six seven horses.
He gets bumped, he's gonna be in a position he's
probably never been in a race before. So I think
this race is one worthy of a long shot. Ana
is my favorite one. If I had to take another.
I like East Avenue as well in the twelve spot,

(01:07:06):
as far as another famous special. Here now honor my
thirtieth birthday, I think I'm gonna be taking Jamal Murray
to score thirty plus points today.

Speaker 4 (01:07:16):
Wow.

Speaker 6 (01:07:17):
Wow, all right, I like the game, Jamal.

Speaker 2 (01:07:19):
Love that.

Speaker 3 (01:07:20):
Okay, Well, happy birthday, Seamus. I always appreciate you popping
on the show Man. We'll catch up with you soon.

Speaker 7 (01:07:26):
Thanks, guys, have a goe you too.

Speaker 5 (01:07:28):
There.

Speaker 3 (01:07:28):
He is Seamus McGee, team lead of sports Trading at Betty.

Speaker 2 (01:07:31):
He said he wanted to cook today and he cooked
and he did, he did, he did he.

Speaker 6 (01:07:37):
I think he was yelling at his radio.

Speaker 3 (01:07:39):
He sounds like when I was laying out my cam
Ward Shader sandor. Oh He's like, what, no, Jade, what
I picture him yelling at? Well whatever is the equivalent
of his radio.

Speaker 2 (01:07:52):
He's streaming on the phone at MGM account for Unusual Training.

Speaker 3 (01:07:56):
Now, wow, that was good. Okay, So we've got some
top shelf audio for you here today. Okay, became bearing
gifts and this is I hate this on one hand
because our our technical producer, extraordinary, Chris Purfett. He writes

(01:08:17):
hard for Detroit Sports okay, including the Detroit Pistons. So
this is not any type of troll job. I just
randomly stumbled onto the Korean call.

Speaker 2 (01:08:31):
I did, I did? It was? I promised you was
totally I might have sent it to him, so right, yeah,
but I ran across this. This is from I guess
Spoe TV. I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:08:47):
Let's go with that. It's Korean.

Speaker 2 (01:08:48):
Yeah, I don't know him.

Speaker 3 (01:08:50):
Okay, no, no he didn't, he didn't. I don't know
why I was. Actually i'll tell you why. Let's let's
start with this. I grabbed audio from the because Iron
Eagle said something earlier in the game that I thought
was really interesting. So we'll start with this to clear
my good name of how I stumbled onto this Korean
TV audio. But it started with this gem from TNT's

(01:09:13):
Iron Eagle.

Speaker 6 (01:09:14):
Check this out.

Speaker 4 (01:09:15):
Asar Thompson his middle name. Are you familiar with his
middle name?

Speaker 2 (01:09:20):
It's x l NC spelling excellence. How about that? That
is a gem?

Speaker 3 (01:09:28):
Right, it's actually both a Sar and a men Thompson,
the young second year players. They're twin brothers. They both
have the same middle name, excellent.

Speaker 2 (01:09:37):
Changing my middle name. That's that's awes.

Speaker 3 (01:09:41):
Yeah, if you just look at Basketball Reference, just pull
him up and you'll see it. You'll see the full
name awesome x L n C excellence for both of them.

Speaker 2 (01:09:49):
So I went on the NBA app to grab that,
and then when on the trapdown menu, it's like, here's
the call on the next TV broadcast the Pistons, Here's
the Spanish version, here's the Korean version.

Speaker 3 (01:10:03):
I'm like, I gotta hear what the Korean version sounds like.
This is the game winning shot in series clinching shot
from Jalen Brunson on SPO TV in Korea.

Speaker 2 (01:10:14):
You wanted to become about?

Speaker 5 (01:10:25):
I think that's pretty easy to follow myself, Like, right,
that is his name, Brunson.

Speaker 2 (01:10:30):
How awesome is that? Are you kidding me? What a call?

Speaker 4 (01:10:33):
How to speak Korean? I understood every word. That's unbelievable here.

Speaker 9 (01:10:40):
Not not hating on it still though it makes me
immediately think of the French call on Steph Curran at
the Olympics.

Speaker 2 (01:10:46):
Though, yeah, yeah, they called them anything better than like,
you know, foreign language calls for exciting moments. These these
guys get into it.

Speaker 9 (01:10:57):
Oh yeah, out any Spanish caller the Brazilian car.

Speaker 2 (01:11:03):
In soccer.

Speaker 1 (01:11:04):
I was thinking.

Speaker 9 (01:11:05):
I was just thinking NFL like all that stuff, like
they go nuts.

Speaker 3 (01:11:09):
You know, and there's one I can't let this opportunity
pass because this was after our show last Saturday. It's
day three of the NFL Draft. Okay, and this says, actually,
this is a shout out to Detroit for you, Chris.

Speaker 4 (01:11:24):
So.

Speaker 3 (01:11:25):
This guy is Marius Dell. He's the international fan of
the Year. He's from Germany. He was announcing the Lions.
I believe it was their sixth round pick, and uh,
he greets everybody in Green.

Speaker 2 (01:11:39):
Bay by saying this. He hits us with the what
up though, I still remember that.

Speaker 9 (01:11:48):
Yeah, that was great.

Speaker 2 (01:11:49):
Oh my gosh, that is so good.

Speaker 3 (01:11:51):
Are you I'm making everybody's text tone what up dough
everybody that's gonna sound like.

Speaker 6 (01:12:00):
And then he went on to say this again.

Speaker 3 (01:12:02):
Everybody tries to troll the Packers and this was his
best attempt.

Speaker 5 (01:12:07):
Now, I want to you all the Packers owners.

Speaker 2 (01:12:13):
Well, honestly, I didn't hurt Jered Goff. Sorry jokes jokes
right there, man, Yes, Jared Goff owns the Packers. That
was his best attempt there. But man, I'll tell you
what that is. That is legendary audio. Some might say
that's a little bit too much a praise. No, no,

(01:12:35):
it might not be enough. That is to start it
off with this is.

Speaker 9 (01:12:43):
I will drop to start our show every morning.

Speaker 3 (01:12:46):
Oh my gosh, we gotta yes, exactly, Chris, We've got
to put that in like prop it up or rapid fire.

Speaker 6 (01:12:53):
It might not fit at all. Who cares.

Speaker 2 (01:12:55):
It's just funny.

Speaker 6 (01:12:56):
It's good, Yes, good morning.

Speaker 9 (01:12:58):
More it's like, what's a so, what's going on?

Speaker 1 (01:13:00):
Guys?

Speaker 4 (01:13:01):
This what up Door?

Speaker 2 (01:13:03):
Countdown?

Speaker 4 (01:13:04):
Every morning? Yes? What Sports Radio?

Speaker 2 (01:13:06):
Normally when I dial up Bo and Chris, I'll say
one of two things. It's either yao or it's what OP.
I don't know why.

Speaker 4 (01:13:15):
That's what?

Speaker 3 (01:13:15):
From now on, What up Door is what I'm gonna
have to free them with every now and then. All right,
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Speaker 6 (01:14:00):
All right, let's do.

Speaker 2 (01:14:00):
This prop it up the player plays, all right.

Speaker 6 (01:14:06):
The prop betting market shared.

Speaker 3 (01:14:09):
We start with you with something you have circled on
your extensive list over there.

Speaker 2 (01:14:13):
Yeah, let's go to a strikeout prop in baseball. I
don't bet the's a ton, but this one stood out
to me today, very low number with Zach Littel three
and a half. Now, it's juicy to the over minus
one fifty.

Speaker 4 (01:14:24):
I see some minus one.

Speaker 2 (01:14:25):
Thirty out there. Obviously that's the better bet, but I
do think three and a half is a number I'm
willing to go over on. So Lttel's had a relatively
sluggish start pitching wise, but also strikeout wise. This is
a guy that, throughout the course of his career is
about seven and a half. Case for nine, he's down
at like five point eight to his first six starts,
coming off with two really tough starts against San Diego

(01:14:45):
and Arizona. Those are two of the low lowest strikeout
percentage teams in Major League Baseball. He faces the Yankees today,
one of the highest teams in Major League Baseball. So
after just three strikeouts over his last two starts, I
feel confident Lettel's going to positively regrets to the mean
today against a higher strikeout lineup. He did have a
seven strikeout game way back against the Rockies in his

(01:15:05):
first start, so he has the potential to go high.
I think four is a very reasonable number against the
Yanks today over three and a half strikeouts for Zach Lttel.

Speaker 4 (01:15:15):
All right, I'm gonna go to the MBA.

Speaker 5 (01:15:18):
A prop that I'm particularly interested in is how the
front court of the Clippers has handled.

Speaker 4 (01:15:24):
Nikola Jokic, especially in Game six.

Speaker 5 (01:15:27):
They may have discovered something there, and so I think
he's going to be looking to pass the ball more,
which may boost his assist total. Right now, log that
nine and a half give me the over on Jokic assists,
looking for outlet passes, looking for three pointers, especially if
Denver gets down at any point to the Clippers Jokich

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over the nine and.

Speaker 4 (01:15:48):
A half assists.

Speaker 3 (01:15:49):
Like what you're thinking right there, Rich, I just hope
that his assists aren't going to Michael Porter Junior. Okay,
because I'm taking the under Unmvjay's points.

Speaker 6 (01:15:59):
Here it's been jekyln Hyde with MPJ.

Speaker 3 (01:16:03):
He's a good player, but he's got this shoulder injury
that's bothering him some. And I just look at under
ten and a half points for Michael Porter Junior. My
thinking is in a game like this game seven against
the Clippers, who do play good defense. Last time in Denver,
they didn't play any defense whatsoever.

Speaker 2 (01:16:22):
Like the Nuggets.

Speaker 3 (01:16:23):
Scored one hundred and thirty one points and Jokic had thirteen,
and they like it's like, Wow, where's the Clippers defense.
I think their defense is much better in a game seven,
And I think that typically you see the stars shine
brightest in a game seven situation. So I'm expecting Jokic
and Jamal Murray obviously to be the headlining act for

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the Nuggets.

Speaker 4 (01:16:47):
But with that.

Speaker 3 (01:16:48):
Sometimes the role players their production dips even more.

Speaker 6 (01:16:52):
And I look at Michael Porter.

Speaker 3 (01:16:54):
Junior shoulder injury game seven situation, I like under ten.

Speaker 2 (01:16:59):
And a half point.

Speaker 3 (01:17:00):
I also think this line stinks a bit because it
started off in Game one.

Speaker 6 (01:17:04):
It's points total.

Speaker 3 (01:17:05):
His prop was sixteen and a half, and it's fluctuated
throughout the series.

Speaker 2 (01:17:09):
It's been steady at twelve and a half. Yet for
Game seven it's ten and a half. I think that stinks.
So I think they're kind of like, come on, only
eleven points. Come on, he's good for eleven, right.

Speaker 3 (01:17:23):
He's scored in this series. He's had games of fifteen, seventeen,
and fourteen. Those are his over totals, but he's also
had production of three, five and seven.

Speaker 6 (01:17:33):
So I think when they're like.

Speaker 2 (01:17:34):
Yeah, it started off at sixteen and a half, come
on ten and a half. You love this, the water's great,
come on in.

Speaker 6 (01:17:41):
I think they're trying to sucker you in.

Speaker 3 (01:17:42):
So I'm gonna fade Michael Porter Junior under ten and
a half points.

Speaker 2 (01:17:45):
It's what I have in Game seven. Yeah, I bet
him over the other night and it didn't work out.

Speaker 7 (01:17:50):
Well.

Speaker 3 (01:17:51):
It's jekylin Hyde, right, Like there have been games where
he's he's been over, Like there was one game Game
four his points total was nine and half.

Speaker 6 (01:18:00):
He scored seventeen.

Speaker 3 (01:18:01):
Yeah, but it's worth the exact opposite way where Game
one it was sixteen and a half he scored three.
You know, So it's it's hit or miss, and I'm
gonna bet on miss here. For MPJ, he's a good player,
but limited with the shoulders.

Speaker 4 (01:18:15):
And also, yeah, the shoulder is factoring.

Speaker 5 (01:18:18):
But also I do think Denver like a lot of
teams with a all consuming superstar, and I think he's
I think that Jokic is better balanced than maybe some
other players because he he does dish the ball well.
But what happens is the players around a player like

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a Jokic will have hot nights and off nights, and
I think it's because their consistency isn't really the reliance.
Like if Jokic was a yo yo player like that,
well he wouldn't be a regarded as highly as he is.

Speaker 4 (01:18:55):
But also the Denver would be the Denver Nuggets would
be completely differently constructive.

Speaker 5 (01:19:01):
So that need Porter Junior to be on fire every
single night because they do have Jo Kich.

Speaker 2 (01:19:08):
What's the hottened vibes tonight? Guys? Do we think it's
good hard? I hope it's good hard for a Clippers bet.
But he's he's he's been a no show in game seven's,
but he was good in Game six.

Speaker 6 (01:19:18):
He really was Game six.

Speaker 2 (01:19:20):
Yeah, aggressive, he's aggressive. You know.

Speaker 3 (01:19:22):
One thing to keep in mind, Michael Porter Junior. His
rebounding prop is five and a half. It's just heavy
to the under minus one ninety.

Speaker 2 (01:19:31):
You really expect him to go in there and start
banging around with that shoulder. No, so his rebound's got
to go somewhere, right Like.

Speaker 3 (01:19:37):
Jokich is obviously the main guy, But who is that
secondary rebounder?

Speaker 4 (01:19:42):
Is it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:44):
Maybe Jamal Murty, Aaron Gordon, Christian Brown.

Speaker 3 (01:19:47):
Like those guys are at five and a half, one
of those guys going over, Like one of those guys
grabbing six rebounds with MPJ being limited.

Speaker 2 (01:19:55):
How about five rebound Murray plus one oh five?

Speaker 6 (01:19:58):
Hey, leave it in mind.

Speaker 3 (01:20:00):
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Speaker 3 (01:20:43):
Okay, So I got to do some fill in radio
for a Milwaukee station shout out the game, and I
laid out my take that Jannis should have played his
last game for the Milwaukee Bucks and listen expected to
have multiple restraining orders by now. You know, like you know,

(01:21:06):
like you know, like the they're acting like dogs with
rabies over there. But no, no, actually, like good half
of the people agreed, and I'll lay it out for you, guys.

Speaker 6 (01:21:16):
I'm curious what you think.

Speaker 3 (01:21:17):
So we know the last dance with the Chicago Bulls, right,
it's gonna be the ninety seven ninety eight season. This
is the last time the band is gonna be together.
Let's go win a title. They knew beforehand that was
going to be it amazing ten part documentary. I think
it's different with the Bucks. I think the last Dance
should have already happened. It was a heartbreaking loss for

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the Bucks. They lose an overtime against the Pacers. Damian
Lillard has that achilles injury. It's awful, horrible, but you
gotta make big boy decisions here, and the Bucks need
to trade Giannis because of the window. Giannis is a
super star. He is completely capable of winning a championship.
The Bucks supporting cas minus Dame, They're nowhere near quality

(01:22:04):
enough to compete for a championship, and.

Speaker 6 (01:22:06):
That's why you gotta move them.

Speaker 3 (01:22:08):
And I also think this the risk isn't worth the reward.
What if they keep you honest and he gets injured
like Dame this next season, then what that's a legitimate possibility.

Speaker 6 (01:22:21):
He's had calf injuries before.

Speaker 3 (01:22:23):
He's missed an entire playoff series last year against the
Pacers because he had that calf.

Speaker 6 (01:22:28):
Injury and they were worried it could turn into worse.

Speaker 3 (01:22:31):
So it's like, why would you risk that injury and
that trade value plummeting for what if they run it
back with Giannis?

Speaker 6 (01:22:40):
What are they gonna do next season?

Speaker 3 (01:22:41):
They're gonna win forty something games, be a low seed,
and get bounced right away. Why would you do that?
It just doesn't make sense. And the last thing I'll say,
I get it. Parting with the star hurts. It's an
awful reality, but it might make you feel better down
the road. Some of the assets that you're able to

(01:23:02):
acquire turn into real pillars for the franchise.

Speaker 6 (01:23:06):
We've seen this numerous times.

Speaker 3 (01:23:07):
Look at the Celtics, it hurt to get rid of
Paul Pierce and KG beloved finally won a title. It
was twenty some years and they dealt him and what
did that turn into? Tatum and Brown and now they're
defending champs looking for more. Look at OKC, it hurt
after KD left. You had Russell Westbrook, Paul George.

Speaker 2 (01:23:27):
It hurt to let him go, but it turned into
a boatload of picks and SGA.

Speaker 6 (01:23:33):
They got an MVP.

Speaker 3 (01:23:35):
Out of that instead of like, no, we don't want
to let go our beloved players, ripped the band aid off.
The Bucks have to deal Giannis. That's my sales pitch man.

Speaker 5 (01:23:45):
You know, it's it's difficult to part with your identity.
You know, from a personal standpoint, I remember when I
left football and I started I don't know, I guess
you could say, putting the feelers out in the broadcast
world and started to, you know, change who I was

(01:24:09):
for I mean, more than half my life into a
new identity. I mean that that sounds so ridiculous, but
from a personal standpoint, that's exactly what it felt like.
It felt like I was I was stripping off, you know,
this this old me and entering a new, a new me.
And it was it was a strange transition, and it

(01:24:31):
was really difficult. And even though we're talking about something
that was a hobby or you know, a sport I
played as a kid, that turned into really a career
and a job once you get to college. Because I
even said this when I was a college athlete, before
players were allowed to be paid to play in college,
it really is a full time job. And it is

(01:24:51):
a round the clock, all year, full time job. And
and then when you you finally become a pro, there's
no question about it, like you are identified as a
football player.

Speaker 4 (01:25:03):
That is who you are.

Speaker 5 (01:25:04):
So it is definitely difficult to change your stripes from
a personal standpoint, and going through that process was particularly
difficult for me, and I'm sure it's for many people.

Speaker 4 (01:25:16):
How about for a team, for an.

Speaker 5 (01:25:19):
Organization, for a front office, for an ownership group, when
you have invested so mightily literally jobs, occupations, livelihoods. You know,
college tuitions are staked on the success of this franchise
and you are inexorably linked to this player for a decade,

(01:25:40):
and then you're gonna have to pull the band aid
off cold turkey.

Speaker 4 (01:25:43):
Like there, it's a hard decision to make.

Speaker 5 (01:25:46):
So while I'm with you, like, yeah, it does, on
the outside looking in, seem like the right idea at
this point in his career.

Speaker 4 (01:25:54):
There's real trade value there.

Speaker 5 (01:25:57):
You're probably gonna see Yannis have success with another franchise
Brian for many years, potentially beyond the time that he
plays for Milwaukee. But it's like he got to strike
while the iron's hot, and the iron is still hot
enough for you to get something back for him. So
I get what you're saying, but I mean, having gone

(01:26:19):
through this myself at a personal level, I can't imagine
how difficult it is to make that decision as a
franchise or an organization, because it's not just one person.
It is the entirety of that organization are very least
the entirety of the decision makers who need to be
comfortable with this complete personality switch from an organizational standpoint.

Speaker 2 (01:26:43):
Yeah, there's some interesting elements here. Let's break him down.
Let's start with Bucks general manager John Horst, who just
signed a contract extension two weeks ago, so he's got
a little bit of i would say, longevity, little job
security to maybe make a move that's outside of the
I think that's the first step of this. Now you

(01:27:04):
get to the second step, which was Brian's original point,
the trade itself. What are we getting back for you, honest,
I think is the big question? And then are there
teams out there that have the incentive to make a
splash and take on that risk, because you know, if
we're all in agreement, and I think, based off of

(01:27:24):
what we're hearing, what I'm hearing from Brian and Rich,
like we're all kind of in agreement that Jannis's trade
value is probably at its peak right now, Like if
you wait another year or two, you might not get
back the hall that you need to make the deal.
But on the other side of that, the team that
is trading for Yannis is obviously accepting that risk. So
that team has to be in my opinion a team

(01:27:47):
that maybe is a little bit lower on the visibility spectrum,
Like I don't see the Lakers making this move. How
about the Pelicans. I've heard reports that Zion is kind
of on the trading, which is an interesting piece that
you might get back. And here's the part about it
that makes it very interesting. We're assuming draft capital is

(01:28:08):
going to be involved in this trade. The Pelicans own
Milwaukee's twenty seven first round pick and swap rights in
twenty six because of the Drew Holiday deal. So there's
a little synergy there between Milwaukee and New Orleans already
with their draft swaps. And then you throw Zion into
the mix, who I read was gonna meet with Joe
Dumars very soon about his future with the team. Like,

(01:28:30):
that's a trade that I could see happening, you know, right,
Zion and a first with that swap that they already
have in place from the Holiday deal goes back to
or goes back to Milwaukee, Milwaukee gets Zion and then
the Pelicans get you. Honest, what do you think about that?

Speaker 3 (01:28:46):
I don't know, Like, listen, you got to command top dollar.
That's the first thing sure for Johannis.

Speaker 2 (01:28:52):
And I would need a lot more, uh than just
a first and Young and Zion because Zion's been so
banged up, Like, there's got to be more out there,
because there are numerous teams that would love to have Jannis,
love to have this guy.

Speaker 3 (01:29:06):
And that's the thing, man, Like, I get it. Some
of the fans are like, it's scary. We don't know
what the future is gonna be like without Giannis. We
don't know what these like lottery ticket picks are gonna
turn into.

Speaker 6 (01:29:19):
How high are they gonna be? Who are the actual players?
We don't know. But my pushback on that is, well,
but you.

Speaker 3 (01:29:25):
Know what it's gonna be like with them? What's the
reality gonna be like with Yannis, They're not good enough
to win a championship. They don't have Damian Lillard. Even
with Dame, they weren't good enough to win a championship.
So without Dame and now coming back from an Achilles injury,
and they don't have picks, Like you need picks to

(01:29:45):
get players that can make you a whole lot better,
they don't have that. So the reality of the Bucks
with Giannis is they're the Westbrook Thunder.

Speaker 2 (01:29:54):
That's what they would be.

Speaker 3 (01:29:56):
Katie left in twenty sixteen and the next three seasons,
Westbrook averaged a triple double in each of those seasons.
He was unbelievable, and they got bounced in the first
round every year. That's exactly what happened. And you read
up on some of this stuff, I forget. It's almost
funny looking at it. It's like, in April of twenty nineteen,

(01:30:16):
Westbrook had a twenty twenty twenty game. Right, He's the
second player in NBA history to record twenty points, twenty
rebounds in twenty assists.

Speaker 2 (01:30:25):
The other guy is Wilt Chamberlain.

Speaker 3 (01:30:27):
Okay, Westbrook did it in the game against the Lakers,
and then later that series they got bounced in five
by the Blazers as Dame Is hitting a thirty seven
foot step back on Paul George and waven Bye.

Speaker 2 (01:30:39):
Bye bye bye.

Speaker 3 (01:30:41):
Okc is they lose in the first round again, That's
what it would be be honest, going ballistic and being
the superstar he is and the Bucks going nowhere, not
approaching anywhere significant of a deep playoff run.

Speaker 2 (01:30:59):
Why would you do that? Why?

Speaker 6 (01:31:01):
And yeah, the scar the future is scary.

Speaker 3 (01:31:03):
We don't know what the draft picks are gonna be,
but if your reality is scary, also, I would rather
opt for path.

Speaker 6 (01:31:14):
Number two that could lead to prominence.

Speaker 3 (01:31:16):
Path number one keeping him although you love him is
leading to no prominence. It's not happening, So why would
you stick with that instead of maybe being way better?
Like the Thunder with Sga, like the Celtics with Tatum
and Brown? Why would you just be like, but we
love Paul Pearson KG, let's just keep them.

Speaker 2 (01:31:35):
Where would they be right now if they didn't make
that move? Probably nowhere.

Speaker 5 (01:31:40):
I always compare team building to like, you know, just
because you're dealing with assets and and sometimes you know
the you know, you can look at it like I'm
gonna invest in this area, I'm gonna invest in that
area in terms of building a ross route. I look
at it almost like real estate. I do this a
lot because it helps balance in my brain. And what

(01:32:01):
you're saying makes a lot of sense about Giannis and
I agree. You know, this is like when you own
a home in a part of town that was a
really good part of town when you bought the house,
but then all of a sudden things changed, and now
maybe an area that used to be a little run
down across town from you is starting to become gentrified,
and for whatever reason, you know, your real estate value

(01:32:27):
is slipping, you know, I mean, yeah, you could stick
it out. You could reinvest, you could redo the bathrooms
in the kitchen, or you could bite the bullet and say,
you know what, we need a wholesale change here.

Speaker 4 (01:32:39):
Like we need to get out and.

Speaker 5 (01:32:43):
Sell before the market tanks on our side of town
and then.

Speaker 4 (01:32:48):
Go look elsewhere.

Speaker 5 (01:32:50):
You know, maybe, like you said, the investment is back
in the draft, and so you go find the worst
house on the best block somewhere else and you renovate
your so you can compete with the Joneses. Because where
you're at right now, it is this the fallacy of
sunk costs. It's like, because we've invested so much here,

(01:33:11):
we can't see living anywhere else than here. And also
change is hard. I don't want to wake up in
a different bedroom. I don't want to find a new
route to work. I'm you know, it's a well worn groove.

Speaker 4 (01:33:24):
At this point. We know what this field is. Like.

Speaker 5 (01:33:26):
We got we got Yannis in the off season, you know,
playing a little bit internationally doing some commercials for us.
You know, he comes back and hope springs eternal when
the new season begins in Summer League starts and like
you know it's all it's all now, wrote like you
know what it's gonna look like here after year in Milwaukee.

Speaker 4 (01:33:47):
But it doesn't mean it's good.

Speaker 5 (01:33:48):
It doesn't mean that your asset value isn't slipping, and
it doesn't mean that if you don't get out now
while the market's still relatively high. Although slipping, it doesn't
mean that the future is bright. Yeah, And look, certain
situations they force your hand, like what the Lakers are
going through with Lebron James. He will retire eventually. I

(01:34:09):
don't know if it's this offseason. I don't know if
it's next offseason. I don't know if it's two off
seasons from now. But that that problem is gonna be
solved for you, and you know you already knew you
were gonna get nothing in return. He's gonna ride off
into the sunset on the pony that he rode into
La on and that's.

Speaker 4 (01:34:27):
Gonna be that.

Speaker 5 (01:34:28):
But with Giannis, as difficult as a decision as it
is to move from the house that you laid down
deep roots and you love your neighbors and you raise
your kids in that house. You have to understand the
environment around you is changing. You have to understand that
your acid value is slipping. You need to get out
while the getting's still good. I completely agree with you,

(01:34:50):
but that band aid is really hard to tug on.

Speaker 2 (01:34:53):
Yeah, yeah, we need to get over that. Though change
is inevitable everywhere, people are so afraid of it. It's
just the only thing that is constant in life is change.
So people need to realize that nothing lasts forever and
that what's that's what makes you appreciate each moment in
the present. Sorry to get all philosophical and deep there,
but our layer listener Jeff Beard, and really interesting comment

(01:35:16):
on social media, just now being tag both of us.
How about okay, see trading Free. Honest, they've got like
nine first round picks.

Speaker 3 (01:35:23):
And the thing is, it's not just their picks, everyone
else first.

Speaker 6 (01:35:27):
It's everybody else's high picks.

Speaker 2 (01:35:29):
Yeah. I think I'll be honest if they fall short, like,
let's just spin it forward. Okay, see Celtics finals, and
then the Celtics won't mopped the floor of them like
they did to the MAVs last year.

Speaker 3 (01:35:39):
That's what I would do. If I was the Oka
see brass. Yeah, Oh my gosh, can you imagine Giannis
and Sga. Oh, it's like the next five years or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:35:48):
Like good, they're winning a title next year.

Speaker 3 (01:35:51):
They might win win this year like they without it,
you know, yeah, if they have them, Yes, that could
be great comment.

Speaker 2 (01:35:59):
Thanks for that comment. That's a good one.

Speaker 6 (01:36:00):
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got a bunch of Game sevens here. You know, hey,
shout out as far as pun goes, Avalanche, Stars, Blues Jets.

(01:37:13):
You know, we got a couple of Game sevens today
and tomorrow. But we're gonna honde in on hoops. We
got Game seven Clippers Nuggets today, We've got Warriors Rockets tomorrow.
And I was thinking about this, guys. I was thinking,
you know, Shack always talks about the others, meaning the
role players, not the headlining stars, right, and these series

(01:37:35):
could be decided by the others. And I started thinking
we might need a separate category for something I'd call
the other others. So, like, if you think about a
team like let's say the Nuggets, for instance, So their
headlining stars are of course Jokic and Jamal Murray, and
then you would get to like the premium role players

(01:37:56):
like the others that would be Aaron Gordon and Michael Jor.
Then I think you get to the other others, guys
like Russell Westbrook, Christian Brown, those type of guys. Right,
It's like these series could be decided on that. Well,
we're gonna talk about Jokich and Jamal Kawhi and the Beard, right,
but this could come down to like Chris Dunn and

(01:38:19):
Derek Jones Junior, like some random dude hitting a big
shot in a big moment, right.

Speaker 2 (01:38:25):
Like I think it's the same thing with.

Speaker 3 (01:38:26):
The Warriors and Rockets Tomorrow Night, where the headliners, of
course are Steph Curry, Playoff, Jimmy, it's you know, it's
it's gonna be shne Goon right now, it's Van Vliet
and the others. It'd be like Dylan Brooks is a
role player right now, Draymond Green is a role player.

(01:38:46):
But the other others that'd be like Tarry Eason or
like Moses Moody or you know what I mean, like
the other others. It could make a big difference in
each of these game sevens.

Speaker 5 (01:38:58):
Yeah, yeah, I mean it's amazing how when you whittle
it down to one game, how important every single aspect is,
isn't it. And it's such an obvious thing to say,
And it's such an obvious part of sports, but single
elimination is the best way to do this. And it

(01:39:19):
drives me crazy that we have to wait, we have
to wait out this bloated, I almost exhibition of the
sixth game preamble to get to this point. Sometimes, to
see evenly matched teams face off in something that really
matters in the NBA and Major League Baseball, frankly, it

(01:39:41):
drives me crazy. I think the playoffs should be single elimination.
I think it would be way more interesting. I know
it won't ever be because TV networks love the inventory.
The NBA makes a ton of money off of the postseason,
not only domestically but internationally, so I mean, this complaint
will fall on deaf ears, but it's amazing how every

(01:40:05):
little factor is turned over. Like, you know, if this
was game one, if we were talking you know, Nuggets
Clippers game one, do you think we would really be
you know, talking about role players or like, you know,
defensive strategy, or.

Speaker 4 (01:40:19):
We would just we would just be like, yeah, you know,
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:40:23):
The Warriors they got experience, but the Rockets they've got
some young upstart talent.

Speaker 4 (01:40:29):
We'll see how Van Fleet leads them.

Speaker 5 (01:40:30):
All right, coming up next, Like you know, it's like, well,
all of a sudden, we're down to the nitty gritty
every single thing matters. Like I wait for these games
with baited breath, and I'm interested in watching them today
because or and tomorrow because Game sevens actually matter. I
love the fact that we're here. I hate the I

(01:40:51):
hate the fact that we had to wait for this arrival.

Speaker 2 (01:40:55):
Yeah, there's an other other vibes to the Clippers tonight.
I think that of all all the teams that I
think are playing in their Game seven's today and tomorrow,
four of them, I think the Clippers are the one.
Like that's the team where I look at Batoom and
Bogdanovich as guys that are more I would say key,

(01:41:17):
because I just don't know if the Clippers can go
on the road and beat Denver without those guys playing. Well.
Now here's the interesting caveat. I think we get a
great like do or don't or like damned if you do,
Damned if you don't. Situation, if you're the Clippers defense,
do you let Jokic just go crazy, right and not

(01:41:40):
let Jamal Murray beat you? Like I think the game
plan if I'm cooking up, if I'm Tyler, I'm cooking
up a game plan for the Clippers tonight. I'm telling
my defenders if there's one thing that you cannot do
tonight is you cannot allow Jamal Murray to go for forty.
We cannot overcome that. We can overcome Jokic triple double

(01:42:02):
thirty twenty ten. Why he does that every game? And
in fact, I think the fifth was like a he
had that crazy triple double earlier this season, was like
a fifty point or whatever. They lost that game. Jokic
going off doesn't kill us. Let him have his do
not let the other guy on Denver go crazy for forty,

(01:42:23):
because when he does, that is the death blow for
the Clippers tonight. I think the way that they scheme
the Clippers, how they scheme this one two punch of
Denver is going to be very fascinating tonight. And I
think if they allow Jokic to get his and they
take away Murray. I think that's the path of victory
for lac h.

Speaker 3 (01:42:40):
It's interesting you say that because you could look at
that in the other series also, where for a couple
of games in a row, the Rockets have just been
blitzing Steph Curry, They've been doubling Steph Curry, and they're
basically like, just don't let him kill us, which.

Speaker 6 (01:42:56):
Makes a whole lot of sense.

Speaker 3 (01:42:57):
And they're like, hey, if Pudjemski it's a couple of threes,
we'll tip our caps, Okay, Like we're just not letting
Steph Curry, the greatest shooter ever crush us shooting.

Speaker 2 (01:43:09):
The basketball and doing what he does best.

Speaker 3 (01:43:11):
And so I love I love the strategy of the
whole thing where that's one of the main things. Do
you let the stars shine or do you try to
limit them? And maybe the role players kill you? Right, Like,
it's really interesting as far as that goes how teams
attack it. I'll say this also kind of to pivot
it a little. The NBA playoff ratings have been really good. Yeah,

(01:43:35):
and you know me, I love the NBA. So this
is gonna seem like I'm taking a shot at the im.
Really not it's just to put things in perspective. We
know the NFL is king, but it is staggering how
huge of a king the NFL is. Where you go back,
think of the NBA playoff ratings, they've been strong, they've
been solid, they've been good. You compare it to the

(01:43:57):
NFL freaking draft, it's like, oh gosh, that maybe they're
not that great, you know, I mean, it's a draft.
So this year's NFL draft, Who's the second most viewed
NFL draft in history? The twenty twenty COVID draft is
number one, So we had the second most viewed NFL
draft in history. In total, the twenty twenty five draft

(01:44:20):
averaged seven point five million viewers across all three days.
Over all three days, it had seven and a half
million viewers. Round one thirteen point six million viewers. And
that's what I think, Like, this is the ratings of
a draft. They're blowing out playoff ratings. We're talking NBA, NHL, MLB,

(01:44:43):
could be the World Series, NBA Finals, Stanley Cup Final.

Speaker 2 (01:44:47):
All that stuff. The draft is killing them.

Speaker 3 (01:44:50):
Can you imagine living in a world where, say, like
the NBA Draft is significantly outrating NFL playoff games. That's
freaking crazy. That's what we have in reverse, that's our
reality here. So we always say the NFL is king,
but like I feel like we say it with the

(01:45:11):
period when it should be like twenty five exclamation points.

Speaker 6 (01:45:14):
When the draft is outrating.

Speaker 3 (01:45:16):
Like playoff games, the biggest stage you have, the finals,
it's still being outrated.

Speaker 6 (01:45:21):
That is crazy to me.

Speaker 5 (01:45:23):
And and it you know what, And this is the
point I was making earlier, is the the thought process
behind Game seven's being so good, but the weight being
so exhaustive that what you end up having is a
lot of people missing it. Like you know, you ever
you ever get in the ocean and you're trying to
catch a wave and you're like, oh, this is a

(01:45:45):
good one, and you start paddling hard on your boogiey
board or maybe your body surfing or I don't know
if you're a surfer, but all of a sudden, the
wave it just it just gets way from you. It
just it's moving too quick. You're moving too slow. You
started paddling too late. What it is and you see
it crash and you're watching it you're like, oh, no,
that was a good one.

Speaker 4 (01:46:05):
I feel like there are so many fringe NBA.

Speaker 5 (01:46:09):
Fans who actually do like to watch basketball, right, maybe
they have an allegiance to the Lakers Lakers get bounced,
but they do like basketball. They lose the thread on
some of these other series because again they're exhaustive, and
then you finally get to, ultimately what's going to be
the only game that matters in the series, and you

(01:46:30):
miss the Game seven because you messed up this guy. Oh,
I thought that was gonna be tomorrow. I didn't even
realize that was onto. Are you kidding me? Oh, I
missed the Nuggets. I thought it was on Sunday, you know.
Like That's that's my problem with the NBA postseason, and
that's the reason why the NFL has been able to

(01:46:51):
capture this audience and then create this urgency. And also
the NBA draft. I mean the NBA draft, you have
packed players immediately being selected. They could do the same thing,
but the problem is there is zero urgency with the
regular season and frankly with their postseason, so it.

Speaker 4 (01:47:09):
All gets washed out.

Speaker 5 (01:47:11):
Whereas every single move these NFL teams make feel so
impactful and so needed and necessary. I don't know if
they ever are able to span that gap. Brian, I
just don't think it's possible because I think the NFL
has just created the perfect mousetrap for the time and
space we're in from a sports viewership standpoint.

Speaker 2 (01:47:33):
Yeah, I've never had that problem with the wave. I've
never been brave enough to get surfing before. But it's
a really good that I can't relate to it. I
don't think my body type would go, although it's a
better body type now, I guess for surfing.

Speaker 4 (01:47:48):
But no, beach now, I know it.

Speaker 2 (01:47:51):
You got the prototype now now now, I'll be honest.

Speaker 4 (01:47:55):
Now I'm the.

Speaker 2 (01:47:56):
Beach bod is beaching. I might have to go down
the Ornberger's crib down there in San Diego this summer
and showed off for the ladies down there.

Speaker 3 (01:48:04):
And so well them they can only they can only
take so much eye candy.

Speaker 2 (01:48:09):
Over there here. Well, I'm rich right next to you
day and that'll be too much. It'll be like double,
It'll be like get out.

Speaker 4 (01:48:16):
Of Actually that magnifies your success.

Speaker 5 (01:48:19):
They'll be like, oh my god, there's Jared Smith and
I think that's a beached beluga.

Speaker 2 (01:48:23):
Why is this overhead so shiny? I mean, listen, you've
got the NFL experience, I don't. So that's what you
go that's what you rely on when you're trying to
go down there on the beach. Don't tell that to
missus Orenburger, though she won't want to be.

Speaker 4 (01:48:38):
There.

Speaker 2 (01:48:38):
There's just so many things with the NFL, like the
way that I compare the NFL to everything else. There
was a scene in The Simpsons where Homer was like
on the floor, like running in circles, and it's just
like a never ending cycle. We talk about the NFL
so much. There is no off season. It does not exist.

(01:49:00):
The super Bowl is in February March, and by the way,
I would not be shocked if the Super Bowl pushes
towards the end of February in a couple years, Like
we're gonna get this eighteen game season, and we're gonna
get the schedule that's gonna get spaced out a little
bit with two bye weeks that's coming, and the super
Bowl is gonna be end of February, I would say,
within the next decade, So you're gonna have a situation

(01:49:20):
where it's literally seamless February, Super Bowl, March, free agency, April, Draft, May,
Mini camp, June you get a little a little bit
of a rest bit in June, and then July right
back to training camp, like it just does not end.
And that's what they want. They want you to be
talking about the NFL year round. The NBA does not
have that. The NBA has Summer League. You get a

(01:49:43):
little bit of a buzz, and then you get August
September and it's the nothing burger and no one really
even cares. I would say in October, November until we
really get to the I would say end of the year,
New Year's time is really when the NBA steam starts
to pick up. You get this four or five month
gap in a lot of these sports where it's just
nobody cares. That's not That's where the NFL wins. The

(01:50:03):
NFL is the only sport, major sport, of the four
major ones here in this country that are year round
sports twenty four seven, three, six five, it's the only
sport that has that. Okay, we're gonna have to go quick,
but I cannot let this audio not be played on
this show. Okay, sacrifice time and rapid fire for this. Okay,

(01:50:27):
it's worth it over here.

Speaker 3 (01:50:30):
So you know, going back to Yannis for a second.
Remember when the Pacers beat.

Speaker 2 (01:50:36):
The Bucks to close them out in game six, right,
and Tyrese Halliburton's dad went on the court and he
got in front of Yannis and he's celebrating.

Speaker 3 (01:50:48):
He's tawning, Yannis. You know that hole back and forth.
I have to play you. This is from Papa Halle, right,
Papa Halliburton. His name is John, the father of Tyrese.
So John Halliburton. He was interviewed by TMJ four. Okay,
and this is what he said he was doing when

(01:51:10):
he was standing in front of Giannis.

Speaker 2 (01:51:12):
Okay. This is John Halliburton's account of what went down.

Speaker 8 (01:51:17):
It might have seemed like I was looking at him,
but I really was.

Speaker 4 (01:51:20):
I was looking through him.

Speaker 2 (01:51:22):
That's how it was in the moment.

Speaker 8 (01:51:23):
I know, it looked like we were looking like I
would stay him down, you know, But it wasn't like.

Speaker 3 (01:51:29):
That, right, just looking through him. That is at new
I hope, I hope this works out because here's the deal,
Like Jared, this, when you're on the beach with rich
this might come in handy, right, Like if you happen
to be with your girl, your wife, your significant other, whatever,
and you get busted looking at the booty model in

(01:51:49):
front of you. You know, No, I was looking through her,
like look at this courteous beach right like what I
can't believe he said that he's looking through Yahnest, not
like tawning in his face exactly. It was the PACER's crowd.
I was trying to pump that what what is he

(01:52:10):
talking about?

Speaker 5 (01:52:13):
This is uh the ultimate expression of trying to get
the toothpaste out of the back of it. I mean, listen, buddy,
there's nothing that you can say that's gonna undo that.
I appreciate the effort, though, you know what I mean,
like clever, Yeah, very clever.

Speaker 2 (01:52:34):
You know whatever reminds me of remember in Zuelander at
the end of the movie when they're like it's in
the computer and they're like actually trying to like go
inside of the computer. Like sometimes literal Larry comes in
and it's just too much for us to handle. That
was a literal Larry situation. No, no, honey, I was
looking through her right exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:52:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:52:55):
Absolutely, that's a new one right there, man. I love
that whole love that account.

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Speaker 6 (01:54:12):
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Speaker 2 (01:54:13):
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Speaker 3 (01:54:14):
Top of the hour up on game We've got LeVar Arrington,
We've got TJ. Hushman, Zada, We've got Plaxico Burst.

Speaker 2 (01:54:21):
They are ready. They're warming up in the bullpen right now.

Speaker 3 (01:54:24):
And trust me, even that scary, right you think about
the baseball, you go cut to the bullpen, you see
LeVar warming up in the bullpen, You're.

Speaker 2 (01:54:32):
Like, holy cow, he's bringing gas.

Speaker 3 (01:54:33):
You know they'll be with you in less than ten
minutes from now. Keep it locked right here on Fox
Sports Radio, we got some picks to make.

Speaker 6 (01:54:42):
Let's do it.

Speaker 2 (01:54:45):
Rampant fire, all right, shared.

Speaker 3 (01:54:49):
We start with you with something that you like today, tomorrow, whatever,
this whole weekend. I guess you could do this whole
week if you wanted to. Just before next Saturday, what
do you have, Yeah, let's.

Speaker 2 (01:54:59):
Just focused on this weekend.

Speaker 4 (01:55:01):
Though.

Speaker 2 (01:55:01):
I do think the Game seven, right, the two best
words in sports not named Super Bowl Game seven. We
got three picks for Game seven hockey and two loops
We'll start on the ice under five and a half
here with the Apps and the Stars. I mean, I
know there's been a lot of goals in this series. Actually,
the NFL playoffs so far has been goal heavy, but
NHL Game seven's to the under have been a trend.

(01:55:24):
All four of them went under last year, eleven and
three over the last three years. I think that one
stays under the five and a half. All right, let's
go to the NBA. Now, I'll give you two sides.
We kind of talked about him already dog day here
on the show. I'm taking the Clippers plus one and
a half tonight against Nuggets. I think they're the better team.
I think the toom really showed you something. The bench
points Bogdanovic as well, and I think Harden comes up big,

(01:55:45):
and I'll go Warriors. I'll buy a point though. Plus
three and a half minus one twenty three is a
key number in basketball. It's a cheap hook. So I'll
take Warriors plus three and a half, Clippers plus one
and a half, Stars as under five and a half.

Speaker 5 (01:55:58):
Okay, all right, we have some cross over here, starting
with the Clippers plus one and a half. James Harden
has come alive in Game six. I think they close
out the show against the Nuggets.

Speaker 4 (01:56:10):
Warriors, Houston. Give me the Warriors plus two and a half.
Steph has found his group from the deep.

Speaker 5 (01:56:16):
I like the Warriors chances with all their postseason playoff experience.

Speaker 4 (01:56:22):
Plus you how Jimmy.

Speaker 5 (01:56:23):
Butler in the postseason it was well, no stranger to
game sevens, no stranger to playing well in game sevens.
And then give me the Calves to win big at home.
Their defense at home has been locked down. Minus eight
and a half is a lot to cover up, but
I think they do. So Clippers plus one and a half,
Warriors plus two and a hook, and give me the
Calves minus eight and a half.

Speaker 2 (01:56:45):
All right, Okay, so let's start with the Warriors. And
I think in good faith, Rich, we both like the
Warriors plus two and a half. But if Jared's getting
plus three and a half, we gotta get plus three
and a half. Two right, right, Okay, it's a cheap
because it's plus two and a half minus one oh two, Yo,

(01:57:06):
it's only eighteen point through that key number of three,
which is like I think.

Speaker 3 (01:57:12):
That is important, Like it might swell to that anyway,
but for the purposes of we got to lock it
in right now. We'll both ill go plus three and
a half in the water's great, you know, plus three
and a half sounds good.

Speaker 2 (01:57:26):
I'll go with Steph Curry. Give me over five and
a half of cysts. He was taking some horrible shots yesterday.

Speaker 3 (01:57:35):
And the Rockets are going to continue to double him
blitz him, and I think he's gonna be a whole
lot smarter in Game seven.

Speaker 2 (01:57:42):
I think he's gonna get some of his teammates involved.

Speaker 3 (01:57:45):
He actually did have some nice passes yesterday because.

Speaker 2 (01:57:48):
I was on his assists yesterday.

Speaker 3 (01:57:51):
There were some air balls, bricks like what are we doing?
Type shots, and I think that's gonna be. It has
to be better than it was last game. So I
think Steph is still gonna look for opportunities to pass.
I think the supporting cast is gonna be better than
it was last night.

Speaker 2 (01:58:07):
I don't think it can be worse, honestly, So give me.

Speaker 3 (01:58:10):
Over five and a half assists for Steph Curry and
then I'll look for Game one tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:58:15):
Pacers at the Calves.

Speaker 3 (01:58:17):
The Calves I think are going to punish Indiana on
the boards. They have a significant advantage. I'm gonna go
with Jared Allen. I'll go over ten and a half rebounds.
I think it's tough between Jared Allen and Mobiley. They're
both gonna eat on the glass, but man, they do
have a pretty big advantage there. So I like Jared Allen.

(01:58:40):
I think he's gonna be a vacuum cleaner on the glass.
Give me over ten and a half for Jared Allen
in that Pacers Calves game.

Speaker 2 (01:58:46):
Tomorrow, like that one, I'm about a bonus pick for
the Derby.

Speaker 4 (01:58:50):
Yeah, so let's hear it.

Speaker 2 (01:58:52):
Sovereignty five to one now the paramutual one. It might
not be five to one at post, but this is
the horse that I have heard some very positive things about.
I know Journalism is the favorite, and of course we're
all journalists. Why aren't we betting journalism. I don't like
betting the favorite in the Derby. There's so many horses.
I prefer to have a little bit of, you know,
long shot odds. I do like Seamus's look on the

(01:59:15):
Japanese horses. There's two of them in this race, Luxer
Cafe and then Admired Daytona. I think one of those
horses might finish in the top three as well. So
how about an exact the box with Luxer Cafe, Sovereignty
and Baeza. Another long shot with Flaviy and Pratt on
the irons there really excited about the derby today. I
just hope for selfish reason, Sandman does well, and not

(01:59:37):
only because of Metallica, because of one of my favorite movies,
Training Day or

Speaker 3 (01:59:42):
Denzel He's got to go take money from the Sandman
love that aspect as well.

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