Aaron Torres & Jason Martin talk NBA Playoffs, Derek Carr’s Retirement, NBA Draft Lottery, & MORE!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
Welcome man, everybody, Fox Sports Radio, Fox Sports Saturday, Ra Tors,
Jayson Martin. We are broadcasting live from the Fox Sports
Radio studios Busy Saturday. J Martin. You know it's funny
it always and I know I say this every single
week that we log on, but you know, it's that

(00:24):
time of year where you feel like there isn't gonna
be a lot to talk about. But obviously two NBA
playoff games here on Saturday, one coming down to the wire,
as Monci just told you, Minnesota up eighty four eighty
two on the Golden State Warriors with about four minutes
to go. We had rookie mini camp in Cleveland. We
have maybe more college football playoff expansion anyway, you know,

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for mid May, we got a lot to talk about.
J mart How you doing, man.

Speaker 3 (00:53):
I'm doing good. Nice little nightcap this evening. When it
comes to something being competitive and down the stretch, and yeah,
it's supposed to be the off season, but sports doesn't
seem it seems like it's been this way for the
last couple of years. We end up saying this more
often than not. There is just more going on sometimes
it's not you know, when football is not happening. But

(01:15):
here's the thing, guys, football is still happening. Like we
still have topics when it helps to football that we
can talk about. But the NBA has been compelling all
week long. There's storylines on and off the court. There's
all sorts of things to get into from that perspective.
And yeah, let's expand the playoff and maybe we'll get
to that later on.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
Yeah we might. College football playoff looks like it's going
to expand. So a lot of stuff going on. As
I just told you about four minutes left in game
four of their game three excuse me, of the Timberwolves
Warriors series tied at one apiece, No Steph Curry this evening.
We'll get to that one as it goes final, and
of course we'll keep you updated until it goes final. Jamar,

(01:56):
Let's start with the earlier game today. I don't know
that there's an amazing takeaway from Boston one fifteen New
York ninety three, other than that Boston made some three
point shots and when they do that, they tend to
When anybody hits three point shots, you know, you tend
to do better than when you don't. But the only

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stat that really stands out to me twenty to forty
from three after going twenty five of one hundred in
games one in games two Boston wins in New York series,
is still New York to Boston one. Do you have
any crazy takeaways from Game three at Madison Squarecard not
crazy takeaways.

Speaker 3 (02:39):
I think it's an obvious takeaway. It was a must win,
they had to win. I expected that they were going
to go win. They've heard people talk behind their backs
right to their faces seemingly over this last couple of days,
and so I expected them to come out and play very,
very hard, very aggressively. They did. They forced the issue.
There wasn't going to be the big comeback this time around.

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Everything comes down to Game four, right Like, I mean,
if they win Game four, then we're back on Serve
and things favor the Celtics again. I mean, it really
hinges on that. If they lose that one, I don't
think they're coming back. If they do win that one,
there's a good chance they're gonna win the series. So
I think it now hinges on four. But the only
way to make four matter was to win three, and
that is indeed what they did, and credit to them,

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because I mean, they were gonna get absolutely crushed by
everybody that holds a microphone or a virtual pen online
had they gone down three to zero to the Knicks
in this series. Nothing against the Knicks, but this Celtics team,
that's unacceptable for them, considering what they did last year
and the level of talent that they have on the floor.

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So this is actually just what I expected to happen.
So it's not really a hot take to say that,
but I didn't see the Celtics going down three to
Ozho and they didn't.

Speaker 2 (03:53):
Really quickly, by the way. One quick update from Game
three in Golden in Oakland, Golden State, the Warriors are
trailing eighty six eighty two. The story here Draymond Green
has just picked up his sixth and final foul. He
has followed out with about four to twenty to go
in this game. In shocking news, J Mart Draymond did

(04:14):
not think that he committed a foul, but he is
on the bench right now. So Minnesota up for Draymond
has filed out and again to reiterate, no, Steph Curry,
who's still dealing with that hamstring injury, so we'll get
we'll keep you updated on this one. Draymond is out
of that game. Back to Boston and New York. I'm
with you, is that I don't think to me like,

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you know, listen, we want to come on air, We
always want to have something to say about the big
stories of the day. But not surprising that the team
that trails two to ozho finds a way to win.
It happened on Friday night with the Cleveland Cavaliers, it
happened earlier today with the Boston Celtics. Let me ask
you this, j Mart, because obviously the big story of
the first two games, you know, Boston had a twenty
plus point lead, and each of the first two was

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not able to close out, you know, making twenty of
forty three's. That's the difference. And we've seen all the
comments from Joe Mizzoula and the players about, hey, this
is what we do. You know, I'm like, the one hand,
it is still to one, but on the other hand,
you know, really we're we're basically two complete meltdowns from

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Boston from it either being two to one or three
to zero. Boston. So I don't even know what the
question is like, like, do you feel better? Were you
as concerned was? I don't even know what the question is.
I just sometimes you know a team's down two to oh,
and you feel like you know the other team has

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clearly been the better team, clearly outplayed them. They didn't
feel that way with the Knicks in Boston. It just
felt like, again the three point shooting was off, but
Boston did have a twenty plus point lead in each
of those first two games. So I don't know what
to make of this series, and I guess maybe the
way I'll just frame it is I don't know that
any result in this series would surprise me at this point.

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Like if the Knicks one in five, I don't know
that it would surprise me. If the Celtics came back
in one, I don't know that it would surprise me.
If the Knicks one in six, I don't know if
it would surprise me. So again, I don't know that
there's even a question that I'm actually framing to you,
J Mart, just that I just think it's an interesting
series because sometimes a team falls down zero two, they're
clearly outmatched. I did not feel that way with Boston,

(06:26):
which again won Game three earlier on Saturday.

Speaker 3 (06:28):
No, I mean I think that it was more about
I mean, yeah, there were some crazy collapses by the Celtics,
but you have to be talented to get those leads
in the first place, especially against a team the quality
of the Knicks. But I think the biggest thing is
just if you leave the Knicks any room, they can
make you pay for it, because they have guys that
aren't gonna give up, and they have guys that are

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just gonna be relentless against you until there is nothing
left on the clock and the game is over. So
here in this game they got up big, did the Celtics,
and they just continue to force the issue and won
the game. But you're right, I mean, when you shoot
as poorly as they did from three, and they never
really altered that plan, you know that you're gonna it's

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gonna be hard to win. I mean that lived by
the three Died by the three thing is completely true,
and that is the way the Celtics have played basketball.
But what they were doing just didn't come across particularly
intelligent and it bit them in the rear end. But
here in Game three, they made a few more of
those shots and they were able to quiet that crowd
and really never let them get back into it. And

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I think that's what it is like. The Knicks are
not a team where you can, you know, shoot them
in the kneecap and walk away, like if you you've
got to make sure that it's over, or they're going
to come back and they're going to crawl out you
and say that this was just a flesh wound and
then we're going to be fighting this thing out a
little bit further on. So again it all comes down
to game four. They've got to come back out there,

(07:52):
them being the Celtics in this case, have to come
back out there with that same mentality if we've got
to close the door and we've got to you know,
put a sofa in front of it to make sure
that they can't find a way to barrel back through it.
And if you're the Knicks, you have to try to
make them. I mean, you've got to keep it closer
than you have. You put yourself in the hole too
often in this series to feel particularly good, but you

(08:13):
still look up in your two to one.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
Let me ask you a question. Obviously, Look, you know,
we know the narrative of the Knicks and how long
it's been and you know, the card in this and
blah blah blah. How much do you think the league
in the NBA, especially in the regular season, the playoffs
have been great. You know, you and I can be
critical of the regular season. I think we both enjoy
the playoffs. But how much do you think the league

(08:39):
is sort of rooting for the Knicks, not because they're
the Knicks, but because, like if every team basically now
it's it's the three point shot, three point shot, three
point live by the three, die by the three, as
you said, et cetera. The Knicks with the way that
they play with Karl Anthony Towns. I know he's a
little bit of a perimeter player, but but you know

(09:00):
he can play in the paint. Obviously, Jalen Brunson and
what he does and what he's able to do at
the rim, I think it's an interesting conversation about, you know,
if they were to win and by the way, I
think there's more to it as well. Jokic as obviously
I know he struggled in Game three on on Friday night,
but you know, Jokic, big guy whatever is like I

(09:21):
don't know, I just think there's something too has go
bear just through run down two. By the way, the
Timberwolves are up ninety two eighty six two minutes to
go in this game. But do you think the league
would be happy with the Knicks, not just because they're
the Knicks, not just because it's New York, but kind
of the style of play defense TIBs. But then more importantly,
they aren't the team that lives by the three and

(09:42):
dies by the three.

Speaker 3 (09:43):
Yeah, I mean, I also think it's just the fact
that it would be the Knicks. I think that New
York being represented potentially in the NBA Finals is very
appetizing for the NBA. Not that Boston's not a big market,
but I would just say this, and I still continue
to believe this, and we talked about that, talked about
this in the past in previous seasons. Celtics just aren't

(10:03):
that exciting to watch. To make sure, they're just not
like all the threes, even when they're making them, it's
just not that exciting a brand of basketball. It doesn't
mean that you're board to tears watching every Celtics game,
but there's just more interesting teams. There's teams that are
just there's an intensity that can be a little bit different,
Like watching Celtics play basketball is just it's just not

(10:26):
particularly investing to me. So I think that also the
Knicks play a more exciting, more physical brand of basketball,
and you're right. I mean, obviously they're going to do
more on the interior. It's gonna be a different kind
of game, and that would be refreshing to me to see,
you know, the whole floor used as opposed to just
outside the two arcs.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
By the way, keeping everybody updated on the Game three
matchup in Oakland, it is now a four point game.
Apparently Manzi has money on this game. I don't know.
She's screaming in the back. Minnesota up ninety three to go.
Buddy Held has been phenomenal in this game. Just hit
another big shot. He's now got seventeen points. Uh and

(11:09):
the Timberwolves are still up by four. We're right at
the two minute mark. And uh yeah, we're right at
the two minute mark. Buddy heelds playing really well and
as mentioned, Steph is obviously still out. Draymond Green filed
out with about three minutes to go. Fox Sports radio
erin Torris, Jason Martin, broadcasting live from the Fox Sports
Radio studios. We will come back, probably have a final

(11:30):
in Oakland by the time we get back again. Minnesota
up for one fifty to go. We'll discuss that more
on game one or Game three, excuse me on Celtics Knicks.
And we got to get to a busy day in football,
Derek Carno, Moore, George Pickens. I know that's not today,
but you know George Pickens. And of course do you
think we would be talking about Brown's rookie mini camp

(11:51):
when he woke up this morning, j mart But a
lot of news out of there, so we'll discuss that
all next. Erin Torris, Jason Martin, Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 2 (12:12):
Welcome back, everybody, Fox Sports Radio. Eric Torris Jason Martin
broadcasting live from the Tirek dot Com. Study from the
Fox Sports Radio studios thought the game might be done
by the time we came back. It isn't technically, but
it might be within seconds. You may be ahead of us,

(12:34):
jmart But fifteen seconds left, Golden State does have the
ball down eight. In theory, if they were to make
a bucket here, and we're not doing play by play
if anybody's listening, but if they were, in theory able
to get a quick score here, they could make it interesting.
Let's see if they do they do not Kminga. By

(12:55):
the way, So Jonathan Kaminga just hit a three with
five seconds left. The clock is gonna run out, Okay,
So we do have a final in Oakland, Minnesota one
oh two, Golden State ninety seven. Jonathan Minga finished with
thirty three points, by the way, but Minnesota wins Game three.
Let's go ahead and dive in. Minnesota up two to

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one in this series. Jmart the big story of course,
coming into tonight, Steph Curry still out with that hamstring injury.
Thirty three points for Jimmy Butler, thirty three points for
Jonathan Kaminga. It isn't enough. The Golden State Warriors lose
the Minnesota Timberwolves win. Game four will be Tuesday night.

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But I'm just gonna toss it over to you. First
reaction to a result and a score in Oakland.

Speaker 3 (13:45):
I just don't come away and pressed with Minnesota.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
I have a thought on that go ahead.

Speaker 3 (13:51):
That to me, like, honestly, this is gonna be a
weird place to take this. I promise I'm not doing
this to be a troll, but if I'm a Lakers fan,
I'm angry watching this because I'm just like, like, not
pretty much at any point during this series have I
felt particularly impressed by Minnesota. And that was the opposite
of how I felt about them in the first series.

(14:11):
So what's the difference. So, I mean, it has to
be the opponent, but the thing is here tonight you
don't have Steph Curry, and really, the Warriors could have
won this game now, And I mean, yeah, obviously Butler
had thirty three and Comanga had thirty three, but Edwards
and maybe Edward's ankle was bothering him a little bit
from Game two, but he ends up with thirty three points.

(14:32):
But it was kind of a quiet thirty three until late,
like he kind of got more involved in the latter
half of the third and the fourth, like he somehow
got stronger there, but he didn't play a particularly aggressive
first half. I just this te Wolves team I felt
much better about just as a unit and what they
could do going into you know, to the rest of

(14:52):
the playoffs than I do here, Like, they win the game,
and I'm thinking to myself, man, it's a good thing
you won this because you easily could have lost. It's
just kind of my biggest takeaway is that, like, I'm
more impressed with Golden State and the loss for what
they were able. I know it's their home court and
it's a tough place to play. I get all that,
but I just the Teagulls should have won this a

(15:12):
lot easier. You don't have stuff on the floor and
you have to take advantage of that, and they almost
let this slip through their fingers.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
Okay, So it's funny you say that I was watching
this game and I think Anthony Edwards at this point,
you know Lebron's forty, you know Kdi's thirty, whatever. I
think Anthony Edwards might be the most physically gifted player
in the league right now. And I don't think that's
like an extremely hot take or anything. But I also

(15:39):
come away from so many games wanting more from him.
And again, I know what people say. They'll look at
a box score. He had thirty six points, but thirteen
of twenty eight, five of fourteen from three and I
believe at one point he was like one for nine
and there was a play in the late third quarter,
early fourth where he just took one dribble boom, jumped

(16:02):
off two feet and threw one down, And I'm like,
why doesn't he do that all the time?

Speaker 3 (16:07):
Right? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (16:08):
And it's funny with the Timberwolves, you know you reference
the Lakers. I mean, I still go back to the
closeout game at Crypto dot Com Arena where they shot
seven of forty seven from the three point line, and
it's like, listen, you know you're never gonna not take
your team being up two to one in the Western

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Conference semi finals.

Speaker 3 (16:32):
I get that.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
I just every time I watch Minnesota, I'm so I
really am, I'm sort of unimpressed. Like you said, first
of all, by the way, lost game one at home
two Golden State obviously, you know, as the higher seeded team,
they don't have Steph Curry. They take care of business
in game two, Like you said, Game three never really
felt like they were just never really felt like they

(16:55):
hit fifth gear. And it's like, you know, listen, I
know Anthony Edwards is twenty three whatever, he's young. I
get all that, but it's just like, I don't know,
there's just something that it's like, I want more. And again,
I understand if you're a Timberwolves fans, Scot Shapiro or
Boss if you're listening to Scott's the one that throughout
the stat that this is I think the first time

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in franchise history the Timberwolves have ever won a series
in back to back playoffs. But I just watched this
team and it's like, yes, you're up to one, and
yes you should be celebrating that, but I don't know
that it just doesn't feel like this team can hit.
It just doesn't feel like this team plays its best

(17:36):
and kind of understands the urgency that you have to
play with in the playoffs. And I think they've been
kind of lucky because they got a sick Luca jj
Reddick obviously melted down and now you have an injured
step And it's like, like you said, there's just I
don't know, I'm rambling, but it just feels like they
could be playing better and with more of an edge.

Speaker 3 (17:55):
So I found myself thinking this early in the third
quarter of this game, just watching kind of how it
did unfolded up to that point. And it was an
Anthony Edwards take as well, and it was similar to
yours about his talent level and what he can do
as a scorer and all those things. But I did
also start thinking, yeah, so he's a he's an unbelievable hooper.

(18:19):
He's kind of Kevin Durant. Though he's not a leader
at least at this point. It doesn't mean that he
can't take over a game. We've seen him do that
before and we've seen him close. But we also saw
that with Kevin Durant, but it never brought him a championship.
Steph Curry is a leader. Kevin Durant was never a leader.
That's why when Kevin Durant left Oaklahoma City and went
to Golden State, they were able to win. And as

(18:40):
soon as Kevin Durant left and went anywhere else, they
haven't been able to win anything. Like Anthony Edwards, and
this kind of goes back to Anthony Edwards saying he
doesn't really want to be the face of the league
and some of those kinds of things, like, I don't
know if that's what he wants to do. I think
he just wants to be a really good basketball player
and he's and because of his skill set, the way
he's built is athleticism. Everything about his game is phenomenal.

(19:01):
But I don't know like how that translates in terms
of a team, if that makes any sense, And that's
kind of I think that might be the thing that's
missing from his game, is this ability to bring everybody
else along with him like they're coming because they're pretty
good too. Nas Reed is pretty good player. Julius Randall
has had a pretty good season for them. Dante DiVincenzo

(19:23):
is one of those blue collar kind of guys, like
they have a makeup of a team that can kind
of rally around him a bit. But I don't know
that he is just making everybody else around him better.
He's just really really good. So and maybe there's a
mixture somewhere, Like maybe he's not all durant, but he's
not Jaylen Brunson, like right, like Jamen Brunson to me,
is a leader. What's the knock on Jason Tatum. He's

(19:46):
not a leader. He's just a really good basketball player.
I think Anthony Edwards is more in that vein than
he is like a d Wade type in Miami or
somebody like that where you can just see kind of
that field general, that general mentality. I don't think that
that's Anthony Edwards, at least not at this stage in
his career.

Speaker 2 (20:04):
No, I totally agree, and I think and again, I
think this kind of sort of goes back to the
Celtics conversation from the first segment that we had, is
that I think I just watch him and there's just
way too many times where he settles for a three
when he could get to the rim, he could get
to the basket, he could get to the file on whatever.
And maybe that's just the culture of basketball right now.

(20:25):
I don't know, but yeah, I just I come away
wanting more from him. Then he has thirty six.

Speaker 3 (20:33):
And you know, and yeah, I mean the stat line
is incredible by the end. I mean, like I said,
he's got all the talent in the world. I think
it's just the culture of Minnesota and like the way
they would be perceived, I think would be different if
he was more aggressive on a consistent basis going to
the rack. I agree, because I just think it would
change the mentality of the way everybody else plays, and

(20:53):
it would certainly change the mentality of how they have
to guard everybody else on that team. It would just
there's a physical in Minnesota that I don't really ever
sense from them. I'm not saying that they're soft. I'm
not saying that they play you know, like cotton basketball
or anything like that. It's just kind of there's a
there's an edge to them that's just not there.

Speaker 2 (21:16):
I agree. Yet, despite it, they are up two to
one yes against Golden State, And here's the thing with that.
Obviously they take Game three on the road and they're
in pretty good shape going forward. I do have one
Steve Kerr take. I'll save it for the other side.
This is Fox Sports Radio rators Jason Martin broadcasting live
from the Fox Sports Radio studios. Will come back one

(21:38):
take on Steve Carr before we do though. First time
this evening news desk, Manzi Belanios and Manzi, did you
have money on that game? Or walk? Because you need
not stop cheering.

Speaker 5 (21:46):
I am a Clippers number one, right number, but they're out,
so well, who am I cheering for next?

Speaker 2 (21:53):
Jimmy Butler.

Speaker 5 (21:54):
Jimmy Butler is my guy. I'm a big fan of Jimmy,
big fan. Don't worry your eyes.

Speaker 6 (21:58):
I will go in there. I will go in there
right now.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
To what he pulled in Miami.

Speaker 5 (22:03):
What did he pull taking a team that was not
that he was not supposed to stay to the finals twice,
a team he was not supposed to do that, quitting
he did everything he did for He could do anything
in Mia.

Speaker 6 (22:12):
He did everything for Miami already.

Speaker 2 (22:13):
That's fine, Okay, cool, play out your contract, show up
to work, do your job. He stout throwing fits, and
also he did that in Minnesota, ironically enough Againstnnesota. So
it'll be sweet when Minnesota knocks him out.

Speaker 5 (22:25):
I don't know if Minnesota's gonna knock him out. Minnesota
show this game easily.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
So you agree with what we just said because I
think what me and j Mart said, Like, you know,
I don't watch a ton of regular season NBA, but
I do love basketball, and it's like Minnesota, I don't know,
there's just something weird, Like that close out game against
LA they were trying to give the game away tonight.
It did like I don't want to disparage the fact
that they're up two to one against Golden State, but

(22:50):
it's just there's something about him that it's just it's
I don't know, there's just something about him.

Speaker 3 (22:54):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (22:54):
I do agree with both of you. It seems like
with Minnesota basketball is my favorite sport. It seems like
with Minnesota they tend to leave the door always slightly open,
and it's kind of annoying to watch it. You're if
you're a fan of Minnesota, I would be annoyed because
they always leave a little sliver. And I don't know
if that has to do with immaturity, if that has

(23:15):
to do with experience, if that has to.

Speaker 6 (23:17):
Do with lack of a leader.

Speaker 5 (23:18):
I don't know where that comes from. Is it Chris
Finch that does not instill that in his stee you know.

Speaker 3 (23:24):
What I mean?

Speaker 5 (23:24):
And like to add to what Jmar was just saying,
I just started reading Phil Jackson's book Eleven Rings, and
I'm like halfway through it, but in it he's like,
they're really, you have to play ego list basketball in
order to win. You have to play ego list basketball.
And this was, you know, ten years ago that he's
talking about it. Now, I feel like there's so much

(23:45):
talent around the NBA that what gives you the edge
ego list basketball. Play for each other, play for your
for your brother, don't just play for yourself.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
You can take that too literal. Like I feel like
the Celtics it's like and I think Athony Edwards is
sometimes it's okay, and I guess I can't really say
about anything, but like with the Celtics, it's like Jason Tatum,
it's great to be egoless. Take over this freaking game.
Be awesome, you know.

Speaker 5 (24:09):
I feel like the Celtics are such an interesting team
because like Peyton Pritchard would be a starter on a
different team. Sure, Like they're just so stacked that I
don't think they're a team you want to compare the
other teams to. There's no other Celtics team like that.
Nobody has a roster like that that's stacked from one
to eight. When Al Horford is shooting like threes for you,

(24:32):
you're just kind of like, oh, that's guy number seven
and he just made two threes. It's hard though with
the Celtics. But I agree there's no dog in.

Speaker 6 (24:40):
Jason Tatum to take over a game when you want
him to.

Speaker 3 (24:44):
Like, which is so weird considering who his idol is. Right,
we just need a few more of those, I mean
that guy, We need a few more Kobe's in the
league right.

Speaker 5 (24:52):
Now, I one percent agree with you, and I feel
like right now the one we see it with the
most is Jaylen Brunson.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
So I was just gonna say, absolutely, you're right when
you said ego list basketball. I thought of the Knicks,
like that's the best version of what you're talking about.

Speaker 5 (25:06):
And then when you need somebody to take over, there's
the guy. There's no question. It's they exactly know what's
gonna happen, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
We have a great Jalen Brunson conversation, j Mart. Maybe
we'll lead our three with the jelling it exit hop
on him.

Speaker 3 (25:20):
Yeah, we'd love to.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
I would love Tims.

Speaker 6 (25:22):
Yeah, all right.

Speaker 5 (25:23):
Well, the Timberwolves did take Game three from the Warriors
one O two to ninety seven.

Speaker 6 (25:28):
They now lead the series two to one.

Speaker 5 (25:30):
Draymond Green fouled out with less than five minutes to go,
then Kevon Looney filled out with seventy five seconds left,
so the Warriors were definitely shorthanded on the defense side
of things when it came down to the final minutes,
but Anthony Edwards came alive in the second half. Only
five of fourteen from the three, but thirty six points
in total. Julius Randall his first career triple double twenty

(25:51):
four points, ten rebounds and twelve assists. Jimmy Butler Jimmy
Buckets playoff Jimmy thirty three points.

Speaker 6 (25:55):
Seven rebounds, seven assists.

Speaker 5 (25:57):
Jonathan Kaminga off the bench thirty points.

Speaker 6 (26:00):
The Warriors did fail.

Speaker 5 (26:01):
To make a three though, in the first half, for
the first time since two thousand and seven, so they
had a slow start. And before the game started ESPN
it wasn't like News News Official, but they were telling
they were talking about how the Warriors believe the earliest
possible game for Curry to return, they think it's going
to be Game six, So that's what they were talking
about in the broadcast. The Celtics they beat the Knicks

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at Madison Square Garden earlier today, one fifteen to ninety three.
Boston was twenty forty from the three. In games one
and two they were twenty five out of one hundred,
so much better.

Speaker 6 (26:33):
In this one.

Speaker 5 (26:33):
And Jason Tatum twenty two points, nine rebounds and seven
assists on the ice.

Speaker 6 (26:38):
We've got the NHL playoffs going on.

Speaker 5 (26:39):
The Golden Knight holding onto their lead over the Oilers
three to two is a score with three minutes to go,
Vegas needs to win because Edmonton leads the series to zero.
The Hurricane shout out the Capitals earlier for zero. Carolina
leads that series two to one. We've got two baseball
games going on. The Angels topping the Orioles five to
one bottom of the sixth inning, Blue Jays and Mariners
are tied at three apace bottom of the seventh inning.

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This is not a type of The Padre shut out
the Rockies twenty one to zero. Wow, twenty one to zero.
They had twenty in the first six innings. So is
that the silver lining.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
That they copied?

Speaker 5 (27:13):
Yeah, down shut them down there exactly, and the Diamondback
shut out the Dodgers three zero.

Speaker 2 (27:20):
Back to you guys, thank you very much. Manzi Manzi
Belonios Fox, Fox Sports Radio Aer Taurus Jason Martin Manzi
be back with recording to Manci ninety five Pacific. So
I'm excited about that. Excited about that, all right? Real quick,
j mart I was watching this game as I just
talked about Buddy Brandan Deutsch in the back. So Steve Kerr, listen,

(27:40):
this isn't gonna be like a tear down Steve Kerr thing.

Speaker 3 (27:43):
Oh man, not well, listen, I'm disappointed. I was looking
forward to it. No, I mean, I'm just kidding. I'm
interested here where you're going. Though.

Speaker 2 (27:51):
All I was gonna say was is that you know
we keep talking about, Oh, you know, how do you
extend this this Steph Era and you know you got
a trade for Jim Butler when he's quit on the
Miami Heat Another conversation for another day, Kindle.

Speaker 3 (28:05):
Yeah, I know.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
Apparently, yeah, who knew. So my whole thing is like,
this is why you have to play the young guys.
Jonathan Kaminga had thirty points tonight, and I get that
it's a veteran team and I get what the window is,
but this is year four for this guy and he
was still only playing about twenty two to twenty three

(28:27):
minutes a night during the regular season.

Speaker 3 (28:29):
And so.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
Again, it's not like a scorching hot take. But it's
just like sometimes you just gotta let the kid gloves off.
And it's funny. I was telling Brandon this, It's like
it almost reminds me of college basketball, where it's like,
you know, you have a coach like like Cali Perry, who,
for all his criticisms, basically says, I have young guys,
I'm not gonna have him very long. I'm gonna let
the training wheels off right off the top, and I'm

(28:53):
just gonna let him go. And then you have a coach,
you know, back in the day, is how Jay Wright was.
Jay Wright would just and Jay Wright was obviously very well,
this isn't like criticism, but it was like Jay Wright
didn't even recruit like one and done freshman because he
was just like, they're not gonna be ready. I'm not
gonna play if they're not ready. That's kind of been
Bill Self's mo Like Bill Self would rather play right
the Yeah, the fifth year senior was zero upside, but

(29:16):
he knows isn't gonna screw up, even if it's at
the detriment of the development of a of a younger guy.
And so it's just it's clearly that Steve Kerr trusts
his vets, believes in his vets, is gonna ride with
the vets. But it's like, you know, I keep being
told that, you know, how do we extend this this
this Steph Era Well playing the lottery pick who just

(29:38):
dropped thirty tonight. Maybe it's time to let the training
wheels off with him a little bit.

Speaker 3 (29:44):
Yeah, I mean it was in arts because he was
even in like being like trade talks he was gonna
talk about in that vein and that didn't make much
sense to me either. But it seems like he's had
value to everybody, and he's been talked about now for
well over a year, and we still I haven't seen
enough of them. And at some point you also need
to like realize that the guys that have won all

(30:06):
the championships aren't gonna be able to play that many
minutes and kind of back off it a little bit
and get these guys. You only have them in their
prime ages and with the basketball miles and all that,
you only have that one time too, Like I don't
know what you're waiting for at this point. Like it's
the same thing as you draft an injury prone player
and then you wrap him in cellophane and don't actually

(30:27):
do anything with him, like the Nationals with Steven Strasburg,
or even though it's sort of a bad example because
he found a way to get hurt when he was
on the floor, Like I didn't understand exactly what New
Orleans was doing with Zion after they drafted him in
the way that they kind of played that first season out,
like let the guy go just go ahead and let
him and if he's gonna take some lumps, let him

(30:49):
take him, Like, let him go ahead and take them
and grow in the league. Yes, he's gonna figure out
that some of the things that he's used to doing
aren't gonna work. He's gonna have to alter his game some.
But if he's got the talent in the first place,
then you need to find a way to unlock that.
And the best way to do it is to fix
the wiggles. You get the wiggles out, just like this
is not a flex I promise, but one of the

(31:12):
trainers that I do workouts with on Peloton, he continually says,
get the wiggles out. Like after you do something pretty hard,
you know, you stand up on the bike instead of
staying in the saddle, and you kind of shake it
back out a little bit because you're a little bit
tight and you want to make sure that everything is
good for the next you know, the next push or
whatever the next deal is. So it's like, get the
wiggles out. Like you have to let them kind of

(31:34):
get those wrinkles out of the clothes, and the only
way to do that is to wear the clothes to
actually do something with it. So I do think that
they've just kind of Steve Kurrz kind of babied him
a little bit too much, and as a result, the
development and what he could have done to help the
team has been diminished somewhat.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
I think it'll be interesting to see again if the
kid clubs come off a little bit more. As Manzi
just said, and I did see that report as we're
coming on air, it does not sound like Steph Curry
is going to be available probably realistically until game six.
So it'll be interesting to see if Jonathan Kaminga gets
more run thirty points in thirty six minutes. I mean
you even go back to game two, only twenty six minutes,

(32:14):
only thirteen minutes in game one, So it'll be interesting
and clearly the talent is there, and I'll be curious
because you know, the best way to extend this window is,
you know, not having to worry about trading all your
young assets for more old guys. And I think Kaminga
tonight proved that he probably deserves a little bit more
run than he's been getting. Fox Sports Radio aeron towards

(32:35):
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(32:58):
j mart since we uh will save the fotball for
hour two. Maybe we talk a little Cooper Flag when
we come back. NBA Draft lotteries on Monday. What's the
best landing spot for Cooper Flag? We'll discuss that next
Fox Sports Rado. Welcome back, everybody. Fox Sports Radio er
Torres Jason Martin, broadcasting live from the Fox Sports Radio Studios.

(33:19):
Put a little bow on hour one with some basketball.
I was gonna do some football. We'll save it for
the top of hour two. People just joining us. Minnesota
did beat Golden State one oh two ninety seven Minnesota
two to one series lead, and of course Boston won
earlier in the day, they trailed two to one against
the Knicks.

Speaker 3 (33:36):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
Notable thing on Monday, j Mart it's actually before Nick
Celtics Game three. The Cooper Flag NBA Draft lottery is. Yeah,
uh is this week. So obviously fourteen teams that did
not make the playoffs are eligible for the draft lottery. Listen,
you know some of these with the pick swaps and everything.

(33:57):
It's it's complicated, but essentially Atlanta, Brooklyn, Charlotte, Chicago, Philly, Toronto,
and Washington in the east, Dallas, our buddy Nico Harrison,
we'll talk about him later. New Orleans, Phoenix, Portland, Sacramento,
San Antonio, and Utah in the West. I'll leave it
to you on how you want to do this. It's
up to you if you want to say the place

(34:19):
that you most want to see Cooper Flag go, where
the NBA most wants to see him go. What are
your takes heading into Monday night with Cooper Flag.

Speaker 3 (34:28):
I mean, there's some teams there where that would be
kind of interesting. San Antonio would be fun considering what
they have there right now and going into kind of
the post pop era. That's a team that has an
a franchise that's been run well for a very long time,
So you don't think you're going into a particularly bad
situation there. You're going into a city that loves its

(34:50):
team as well a little bit of a smaller market.
So I don't know if that's what the NBA would want,
Although if you made Wemby a star, then that helps
you internationally. I don't mean a star, but just somebody
that's relevant in the playoffs. I guess what I should
say as opposed to like a Mike Trout kind of
star that you never need to worry about seeing when
you get to the postseason. Philadelphia would be the tabloid

(35:15):
heaven because it's the opposite of San Antonio. It's been
run poorly, It's got a lot of problems. There's a
lot of issues there, a lot of things that you
could side eye. The worst would be Washington Utah, one
of those kind of teams. There's nothing interesting about Washington.
Utah is just terrible, and I don't see like I
don't think Cooper Flag is going to all of a

(35:36):
sudden make Utah good. I think that I think if
you're the NBA. You want him to go to a
team that at least has some pieces that you like
and is in a market that you could do something with.
If Cooper Flag went to Brooklyn, that'd be kind of
fun because the Knicks are good. So the Knicks are good.
You got flagged to Brooklyn and they were able to
then you know, do some building over next year or two.

(35:59):
You might have to have a rivalry in New York,
and I think that that could potentially be fun. So
there are some places that would be fun. Sacramento, Washington, Utah,
Toronto I think are probably the four I might be
forgetting one. I'm not looking at the list right in
front of me, but those are probably the four where

(36:20):
I would just say, hopefully not there.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
Well, it's funny. I will say this is that I
think two things can be true. I think that they
are very poorly run, and I almost don't wish it
upon Cooper Flag. Although they don't really screw up careers,
they're just kind of irrelevant. I think the NBA kind
of needs Chicago to be interesting. I mean, yeah, great

(36:44):
basketball city. I see you out of your head, MASI
a great basketball see like I watch these highlights. They
sell out every game even though the team stinks, and
I'm just like, I feel like those fans deserve it.
I don't know if management deserves it or what. Manzi's
and yeah, you just turn on your mic and join
the conversation.

Speaker 3 (37:02):
But I agree.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
I agree with you.

Speaker 3 (37:04):
By the way, like I said, that's that's my fault
for not having the list directly in front of me.
I left my phone in the other room. I uh
that Chicago I think would be number one actually for me,
like them san Antonio I think would be fun just
because again of what they are building there. But yes,
Chicago being a relevant basketball team again with a young
star that maybe they could get behind, that would be

(37:25):
great for the league.

Speaker 6 (37:26):
Y san Antonio, it's going to be a guys, it's
going to be a san Antonio.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
Never was gonna get real mad. Yeah, I just kind
of over san Antonio Castle. Yeah, but uh yeah, so
Manzi what she was mouthing to me, I couldn't quite
figure it out. You know, big week for Chicago, popees
from Chicago, so you know, you know, everything's coming up Chicago.
So maybe I don't know. I don't know how Iraq
now now Chicago. Okay, Well, I was gonna say, you know,

(37:53):
maybe he throws down.

Speaker 3 (37:53):
A little know that what's up. I didn't know that
the Pope was that it was officially sh Iraq.

Speaker 2 (37:59):
Oh no, goodness, preciously. I'm confused. Also by the way,
the Pope of course of Villanova guys, so hasn't It
didn't do much for the Knicks today. But but no, listen,
I just think, like I said, the good news is
like they aren't an organization that necessarily screws people up.
They just keep taking the wrong guys. But I also

(38:19):
just I don't know, man, I just I feel like
that fan base. You know, obviously it's been it's been
a long time since nineteen ninety eight. Obviously the Derek
Rose situation really stunk. But yeah, that's the one to me.
I think that if I had to choose, I think
and I think it'd be good for the NBA to
have a little superstar in Chicago, have kind of a
relevant presence there. I could start listing some teams that

(38:40):
I'm praying that he does not go to Atlanta. No,
I'm sorry, by the way, I'm so over Tree Young.
I've been over him, but that's neither here nor there.
Let's see here Dallas. Imagine if Dallas won the draft. Interesting,
Nico Harrison just like, yeah, I told you this was
the plan all along. It's like, stop, Nikoto, it wasn't.
Sacarmeto does nothing for me. Also, Brie, I'm sorry, Phoenix Suns.

(39:03):
I'm sorry. You guys don't deserve it after you, after
everything that you've done the last couple of years. Uh,
mortgaging the future for this group of dysfunctional whatever is like, sorry,
Phoenix does not deserve it. Uh, Sacramento. I do not
want Dallas fans.

Speaker 3 (39:17):
I would love to see because I think they'd be
happy about it, and they need something because they're now
having to think that George Pickens is making them relevant again.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
There you go. Well, Jay Mar, that's why you're a pro.
We're gonna Fox Sports Radio er toards, Jason Martin will
come back. We'll talk some football. Rookie Minni camp in Cleveland.
Derek Carr retires. George Pickens is a cowboy. So that
is the big news out of Dallas. Of course, with
the NBA Draft lottery coming coming on Monday, so we'll
come back a lot of football. Pickens shedure and of

(39:49):
course Derek Carr. That's next. Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
Welcome in everybody, our two tours and Martin Fox Sports Radio.
We are broadcasting live from the Fox Sports Radio studios.
By the way, it is after midnight on the East Coast.
Happy Mother's Day on the East Coast. All the moms
out there, we appreciate you. Hope everybody is taking time
to spend time with their mothers. Jam aren't you doing
anything special for Mother's Day? Obviously your beautiful wife mother

(40:19):
of two. I you know, I don't know what you
guys have planned anything special?

Speaker 3 (40:24):
Uh, nothing particularly special. We'll go see my mom in
her in her care facility for a little while and
we talked about, you know, what meal Abbey might want tomorrow.
And usually, just because the way you know, life works
in this season, will usually make a we'll make a dish.
She often makes a dish on Sunday because I do

(40:44):
most of the cooking dier in a week, so she'll
make most of the She often makes a dish that
we then eat on Tuesday. Also, she may still want
to do that and so we might postpone her meal
for a couple more days, but we're not sure. You know,
you got two kids. They're going to factor into it,
of course, a full day of everything else. So I mean,
the biggest thing that we're going to do is just
make sure that she has as relaxing a day as

(41:08):
as humanly possible in this season, so nothing like massive.
It's not gonna be a giant celebration. I bought her
flowers and gave those to her yesterday because I don't
know how to hide flowers, and like I knew I
had to get them on Friday, so I just brought
them home and gave them to her. Went to the
grocery store last night and then came back with flowers

(41:29):
and just just laid them in front of her, and
then she went ahead and put them in water. Because like,
if I had just brought flowers home, there would be
no flowers tomorrow, like somehow they would have died within
like the two day span because I wouldn't have known.
I would have like shoved them under her bed or
something like that. So I had to give those to
her early. But I do have a card sitting next

(41:50):
to me that I'll give her tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (41:51):
Yeah, I my wife put me in charge of getting
cards today, and I don't think she thought I was
gonna do it. But then she also like casually had
mentioned something about flowers in passing, and I kind of said, like,
flowers are your area of expertise, because if I get them,
I don't know what to do with them. And there's
that like little pouch of like nutrients that you put

(42:13):
in I don't know. So anyway, I bought the cards,
she got the flowers. We will be doing Mother's Day
with my mother in law, and of course my mom's
actually in town too. By the way, J Martin, I
don't know if you've caught a highlight of the end
of this hockey game. It really was a buzzer beating
game winner, and you know, we don't have to break
down or anything. But also I feel bad one of

(42:34):
the Edmonton players tried to, like the goalie, it got
past the goalie and one of the Edmonton players like
tried to put his stick on it, and I think
he I don't it could have potentially gone in, but
it definitely did go in off of an Edmonton stick.
So anyway, that is a final in in the in

(42:55):
the NHL series is tied to a piece. Vegas wins
on a literal buzzer beating goal to win the game.
So a lot of playoff hockey, a lot of playoff basketball.
We'll get back to the basketball in just a little bit.
Weirdly busy week in the NFL, and of course we
woke up to the news today, or maybe not woke up,
but it was I think it was probably about eleven

(43:17):
am Eastern ten thirty or so something like that, Derek
Carr is retiring. Of course, I'll say this j Mart.
You know again, my mom was in TOEWS and she
was kind of asking me about it. Is there was
clearly something going on around draft time, right, I mean,
you know you talk about I remember leading into the draft,
there was kind of that like passing comment of like

(43:40):
we're moving forward as if Derek Carr is our starter.
So it's kind of weird. And then they take Tyler
Shuck early, so you know that they're clearly planning for
the future. But Derek Carr did retire thirty four years old,
and of course he had a shoulder situation that apparently
was way worse than we realized, and now he is retired,

(44:01):
and the New Orleans Saints are moving forward with some
combination of Spencer Rattler, maybe Tyler Shuck, maybe Jake Hayner.
But yeah, it's certainly interesting news to wake up to,
at least for me on the West Coast. Did wake
up to that news on Saturday morning, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (44:16):
Me too, basically, I mean I was awake. But yeah,
it is strange because it doesn't seem like this would
have caught them completely off guard. Maybe they had some
inkling of this, but i'man it's sad that his career
ends this way. But at the same time, he gets
to walk away and just say, look, this is what

(44:36):
I felt like, he said. You know, I spent time
in prayer and felt like this is what had to
happen after talking to my wife, So you know, I
would look at it and just say, and this isn't
really supposed to be a cynical take necessarily, but I mean,
he wasn't gonna win another Super Bowl. He wasn't gonna
win a Super Bowl if he's stuck around right like
that team was going nowhere, even if they make some

(44:58):
improvements this year, that's not a contending team at this point.
So if he was coming back, it would just be
purely to play football, not to necessarily win a title.
I don't know that that factors into it, but it
would make it easier to walk away if your option
was just I'm going to play. But there's not going
to be a trophy, there's not going to be a
golden there's not gonna be a pot of gold at

(45:20):
the end of this rainbow, basically, so I think he
looks at it, He's like, what's my quality of life
right now? I've got faith and family, everything's kind of
laid out, And obviously he's made a ton of money,
so he could spend the rest of his life doing
whatever he wants. And I know he has goals post football,
so you know, you never want to see somebody retire

(45:41):
this early. But at least he's able to kind of
just make this decision, and I feel like he probably
can walk away with some sense of peace real quick.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
So I agree with all that it is said that
he had to retire under these circumstances, probably before he
wanted to, but made a lot of money. He's gonna
be fine. What do we make of Tyler Shuck in
the second round?

Speaker 3 (46:05):
Is that.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
Is that, like, hey, we think this is a contingency plan.
Do they think that they drafted him expecting that he
could be the starter this year? Is he the backup
to Spencer Rattler? I mean, because it is noteworthy and
I think this, I don't think.

Speaker 3 (46:24):
I know.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
This was a story in the lead up to the
NFL Draft was that the Saints were in a market
for the Saints were in the market for a quarterback.
We thought they could take one in the first round.
They wait till round two. But what does that mean
to you?

Speaker 3 (46:36):
Does it?

Speaker 2 (46:37):
What does it mean taking Tyler Shuck in round two?
Relative to this news?

Speaker 3 (46:41):
I don't know, because I didn't understand it when they
did it. You know, we talked about this and just
seemed like his name kind of emerged from nowhere in
the last like handful of weeks, the last cycle, right
before the draft. It's not like no one ever watched
him play, but most of the people that are just
a general fans around the country, even a lot of us,

(47:03):
we haven't watched a lot of Tyler Shuck. Draft experts,
those guys that have to go through tape and all
that kind of stuff, they've certainly watched him, and they
were fairly high on him, but the Saints don't have
a quarterback right now. Spencer Rattler, he did some good
things last year. He looked like a rookie, and maybe
he'll be able to do a few more things this year.

(47:24):
But it's also again not a stack roster aging on defense,
even on offense, you've had some injury concerns and even
some concussion concerns when it comes to guys like Chris Lave.
You've had Kamara not really being maybe what he was
at times, certainly maybe not quite as dependable on a
week to week basis, and of course you've had the challenge.

(47:45):
So it's like Kellen Moore, who understands quarterbacks and has
run functional offenses, good offenses. As a matter of fact,
it's not an ideal situation for him. I don't know
that it would have been with Derek Carr anyway. But
Derek Carr is more in your Kirk Cousins Lane, somebody
that that certainly would have been serviceable and at times
did more than that. So you're looking at you got

(48:07):
Rattler and then you've got Shuck and are you gonna
throw him out week one on a bad team? I mean,
that's what the Patriots. I mean that's yeah, that's a
good point, Like you don't have much time. He's gonna
retire in like three years. Yeah, well, I mean it's
the truth, right, I mean, the Patriots did it with
Drake May, and they found out they had something, they

(48:27):
felt like they had something. They put Drake May out
there quickly, and you know, he took his lumps. We
talked about that with Jonathan Kamanga in the last hour,
like he took his lumps, He's learned a little bit,
and now we can move on from there. Like, uh,
Drake May looks like he's got the goods and they
are building around him at this point. So I mean,
if they drafted Schuck thinking that Shuck actually can play,

(48:48):
then they probably should gohead and put him out there
if they're gonna lose anyway. I don't know that it's
going to destroy his confidence because he's not going into
a situation where people are expecting him to win, and
people aren't going to be expecting anything of him because
one knows who he.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
Is really quick. We do have a resident Saints fan
in the building. Actually, you're quite literally pre the only
Saints fan that I know. So we'll give you. Yeah,
probably a reason for that. Anyway, we'll give you the
floor here for half a second. What did you Where
were you and with the news that broke U you know,

(49:22):
about what twelve hours ago?

Speaker 7 (49:24):
Now, Yeah, so I had just actually like fallen asleep
after my overnight and then I got a quick text
message from our boss, Scott Shapiro sending me the alert
that you know, that escalated super quickly, Like, I don't
think anybody was expecting that.

Speaker 6 (49:39):
So yeah, I mean, I.

Speaker 7 (49:40):
Don't know, I was ready for it.

Speaker 6 (49:42):
I was ready.

Speaker 7 (49:42):
I think we all kind of knew that he wasn't
gonna last long there. I don't think anybody was thinking
that Tyler Shuck was going to come in and just
like dominate. I still believe in Spencer Rattler. I actually
think Tyler Shuck could be like a little Chase Daniel
backup and just kind of.

Speaker 3 (49:55):
See what you don't think, Well, I'm just saying, I'm like,
we're going Rattler with Chase Daniel at back up. Things
have changed to New Orleans as this is.

Speaker 7 (50:06):
I mean, this is honestly wishful thinking, right, And I think, yeah,
I don't I don't have like so much hope, and like,
you know, it's it's almost like a rough division to
be in right now, weirdly enough, right like the Panthers,
what are we doing here? The Bucks look amazing, Like I.

Speaker 2 (50:22):
Don't know, Falcons, I think are gonna be good with
Michael Pennix. Yeah, I will say there is one addendum
to all this, and it's it's a little bit interesting
to me. I think we would all probably agree the
Saints are probably going to be in a pretty good
position to get the number one pick in next year's draft.

Speaker 3 (50:40):
I'm sorry, the backhand a compliment of the year right here? Well, well, yeah,
I mean ain't about this year. It's about the next fifteen.
If you get this right and tank it next year.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
Yes, I hope Spencer Ratler is not too good. I
hope the Spencer Rattler Tyler Shuck quarterback battle is as
compelling as we expected to be in a back that way.
So I do find it interesting. I mean, you're in
position to potentially get the number one overall pick. And
now I'm not necessarily a believer that this is gonna happen,
but obviously there is a noteworthy name at the top

(51:12):
of next year's draft. Arch Manning, who of course is
the grandson of Archie Manning. So I just find that
kind of interesting. Is you know, obviously Archie Manning, you know,
it wasn't his fault, but you know, he played for
the Saints for a long time, wasn't franchise, wasn't very good,
but he's obviously an icon within that franchise, and his
grandson now and theory is in position to potentially be

(51:35):
the number one pick next year. So I think that's
kind of interesting. Is maybe arch is as good as advertised,
Maybe he leaves after one year, and maybe he's in
New Orleans, SAT a year from them.

Speaker 3 (51:46):
I mean, what do you think. Look, I think that
if you gave Saints that deal and said this is
guaranteed to happen, but you also have to accept we're
gonna draft Tyler Schuck in the second round the year
before Derek Carr is going to retire and going to
be unwatchable during that season, I still think they'll take
it if they end up with arch Manning because right there, yeah,

(52:08):
well even that, like even before you realize maybe he's not, like,
let's say he turns out to be what Trevor Lawrence
has kind of turned out to be to this point
in his career. Okay, maybe he's not all world even
if he's seen that way when he's drafted, like the
last name manning the history obviously with Archie and everything else,
Like he becomes a walking billboard for the Saints when

(52:30):
it comes to New Orleans, like they will fall in
love with him immediately, and he'll get plenty of room
to be mediocre, if that indeed is what he would
turn out to be. But I think both of us
think he's going to be pretty good.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
So yeah, I think he'll be So I do think
he'll be good. I think it's a little bit presumptuous.
And we do this every year of the whole. Uh yeah,
I mean, well, you know, like this year it was
Withdre well, yeah, that's what I mean, is like the
whole like, well, you know, teams are really hesitant to
use a first round pick on quarterbacks because they're excited

(53:05):
about next year's class. And it's like we do that
every year and then every single year, by the way,
you know how many first of all? Last year it
was Carson Beck, Quinn Ewers, and Shador Sanders. Okay, that
was this year's class, next year's class listen arch Manning
has started two games, so I think it's presumptuous to
us to get too excited about him. Dur Rowler has

(53:28):
literally played one good game in his career and they
lost it. It was against Oregon in the Big Ten
Championship game. Jmart, Like we all remember that Notre Dame
game when he couldn't complete passes over the middle and
that was why they lost. And by the way, I
don't know if you've seen this yet, J Mart, there
is all of a sudden, this push for there's all

(53:49):
of a sudden, this push for Garrett Nussmeyer as a
top ten pick as a matter of fact that I'm
not here to criticize, but Todd McShay has put out
his first two twenty twenty six mock draft that has
Garrett Nussmayer at number one. So I'm sorry, I mean,
unless there's an alternate world of college football that I

(54:09):
was unable to watch that Garrett Nusmeyer plays in that
I did not see, if you're tanking an entire season
around the idea of taking Garrett Nusmeyer, or if we
are under the assumption that teams didn't take quarterbacks because
they love. Next year's quarterback class, headlined by Arch Manning
who started two games, and Garrett Nusmeyer and Drew Roller,

(54:31):
who doesn't actually win games. I guess I would just say,
I think it's a little presumptuous to assume that you
know that that that there's you know that there's this
pot at the pot of gold at the end of
the rainbow with next year's quarterback class.

Speaker 3 (54:45):
Yeah. So I just when you when you mentioned Garrett Nusmeyer,
was like, let me just see what the discourse is.
So I googled Garrett Nussmeyer while you were talking. The
first you have the list of like questions that pops
up that like AI can answer for or whatever like that.
Do you know what the first question was.

Speaker 2 (55:03):
I'm a little terrified, but I am curious.

Speaker 3 (55:06):
Is Garrett Nussmeyer good?

Speaker 2 (55:07):
Ay? There you go, there you go.

Speaker 3 (55:10):
I just thought that was hilarious because it's right on
brand with what you just said, Like, I guess he's good.
Is that what we're finding? Like, so here's the answer. Yes,
Garrett nus Meyer is considered a talented and promising quarterback. Alrighty,
then well, all I'll say is cool, story bro, Yes,
we can save It's twelve seventeen on May tenth.

Speaker 2 (55:34):
I don't think we need to do the Garrett Nusmeyer
deep dive. But when I saw all of this, I
went back and did it. Did it Garrett nus Meyer
at least Box score deep dive A lot of the
same stuff that I was personally talking about with Jackson
dart of One. The stats weren't even that good, but
two six touchdowns against South Alabama, one touchdown, two picks

(55:59):
versus out Obama. Basically a lot of stat padding against
bad teams. And by the way, it's not all Garrett
us Myers faul. I just don't think LSU is as
good as LSU should be. But all I will say is, again,
if teams are, if teams are are building their entire
offseasons around, hey, we could have the number one pick

(56:23):
next year's quarterback draft. Is that much better if Garrett
nus Meyers headlining it. I don't know, uh, But I'll
also say I'll be glasses half full and say I
think the Arch Manning thing would be interesting, uh if
he is in next year's NFL drafts. So Fox Sports
Radio air Torris Jason Martin broadcasting live from the Fox
Sports Radio studios. Will come back, jmart More, NFL Schador,

(56:45):
Sanders Mini Camp. It got interesting there. Also gotta talk
a little bit about George Pickens. That's all next. Fox
Sports Radio.

Speaker 4 (56:52):
listen live.

Speaker 2 (57:04):
Welcome back everybody, Fox Sports Radio. Eric Toris Jason Martin
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(57:25):
of your presets, just like a pre set on a
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in the iHeartRadio app and it will always pop up
at the top of your screen. Jmart Little something interesting
as far as I'm concerned, over the last couple of days,
Browns Mini Camp. You know, Rookie Mini Camp has opened,
you know at Rookie Minnie Camp across the NFL has

(57:47):
opened up. Brown's is obviously the most noteworthy. Thought there
were a couple interesting things that came out. First of all,
obviously the big story there is Shore Sanders, is there?
Dylan Gabriel's there. Thought this was interesting. Dylan Gabriel asked
about basically if just shad Or Sanders is a distraction
for him, and he said, quote, the more questions I

(58:10):
get asked like this just divides the team. Also, shad Or,
I thought I had a pretty interesting quote. Asked if
he was focused on proving anybody wrong after his fall
in the draft, he said, it's just me versus me.
I can't control any other decision besides that, So I
just try to be my best self at all times.
My job here isn't to prove people wrong. I'm just

(58:31):
trying to prove myself right. So really quick, listen, you
know we don't have to break down you know, rookie
mini camp film and what does it mean? I will say,
though there are thirty two teams in the NFL, there's
only one rookie mini camp that anyone cares about. And

(58:52):
I was thinking about this today. Now I'm a Shodor guy.
I think you are too but like, this is why
a lot of teams just did not want to bring
him in, even as a backup. I'm not saying it's fair,
but I do think the reality is, and this has
been a conversation in the NFL for years, you don't

(59:13):
want to have a celebrity backup because when you do,
obviously that kind of sucks the oxygen out of the room.
He becomes the focal point. It was applicable with Tim Tebow,
it was applicable after Cam Newton lost his starting job.
And I think this is just gonna be every single
thing the Browns do. There's going to be the questions

(59:33):
about shad or attached to it, which is something you
don't want for a guy that, at least in theory
right now is starting off as at best your second, third,
maybe even fourth string quarterback.

Speaker 3 (59:44):
And where was it most applicable in addition to the
things that you talked about, would be Colin Kaepernick. You
don't want to bring that in as a backup because
of all sorts of other issues, and that was widely
discussed in the past. But here's the thing about the Browns.
They know what it's like to do stuff like this.
I mean they're the ones that paid and fully guaranteed

(01:00:06):
Deshaan Watson. So this is right on brand for what
the Browns have done. They're willing to take these kind
of risks, and yeah, you're right. I mean, this is
what we knew was going to happen. Schador was going
to command and people were going to pay attention to it.
I mean, he's gonna get the press, we're gonna talk
about He says he's not going to prove He's not

(01:00:27):
there to prove people wrong. He's there to prove himself right.
And really that's what he should say. If he's as
confident as he has appeared to be throughout, you know,
his college career and certainly in the pre draft process
and all that other kind of stuff, the stuff that
got him into trouble, that that's still the right thing
to say. He's like, yeah, he's not trying to prove
anybody wrong, because that takes care of itself. If he

(01:00:48):
just is as good as he thinks he is, if
he's able to go out there and be the quarterback
he thinks he can be or says that he can be,
it's going to take you know, it's going to take
the wind out of a whole lot of exhales, but
you know, and Dylan Gabriel talking about dividing the team,
he's also saying, you know, you know, I'm glad he's here.

(01:01:08):
It's gonna make us all better and stuff like that.
They're saying the right stuff. We're gonna be paying attention
to this, like this is a bruder film. We're gonna
be paying attention to this from Afar because this is
It was the most interesting story going into the draft Aeron,
and it's still the most interesting story coming out of
the draft. It wasn't a particularly deep draft from an
interest standpoint. All due respect to Abdul Carter trying to

(01:01:29):
get number fifty six, number eleven, by the way.

Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
I actually don't think it's that interesting of a story,
but it seemed to really divide the internet here over
the last couple of days.

Speaker 3 (01:01:39):
I just I just thought it was a I just
thought it was just kind of I don't have a
strong take, but I just kind of rolled my eyes, like, Abdul,
come on, man. And then you know, I saw some
people who defended Abdullah and said, you know, LT shouldn't
be upset, shouldn't take offense all the stuff. Maybe not,
but he's Lawrence Taylor, like he's he's arguably the greatest

(01:02:01):
defensive player to ever live. If not one, then he's
certainly in the top five. And he's certainly the most
important New York Giant to ever play. So if he
wants to get mad about it, that's his prerogative. You
can act like that's not the case. But if it
was you that he was coming to and you were
in Lawrence Taylors shoes, I don't know that you would
say the kinds of things that you can say from afore.

(01:02:21):
It's very easy to say that when it's not a
situation that you're in. But at the same time, like
Abdul Carter, I don't think he meant anything by it.
I don't think it was like his own arrogance. I
just think it's okay for him to ask. It's also
okay for LT to be a little bit myth that
he asked. It's all right, Like the these are two individuals,
two adults, both are doing what they think is best

(01:02:45):
for them in the moment, and that's just what it was.

Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
Well, I'll tell you what Jamart to me. First of all,
I just basically agree with all of you. I agree
with everything you said. Is that LT has a prerogative
to say, no, I'm good here. We're not going to
give you fifty six, but to me, a little bit
of a nothing story.

Speaker 3 (01:03:04):
Tell you what.

Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
We'll come back and talk about another story that everybody
wants to make a huge deal about, but I kind
of think it's nothing. We'll discuss that next. Before we do, though,
let's get over the news desk Manzi Blanios. What is
trend new.

Speaker 6 (01:03:17):
Guys, All of the things in sports has wrapped up
for the night. What I'm leaving Emily right now?

Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
Actually you could do the updates, Maasi, No, I got it.

Speaker 6 (01:03:26):
I got you know. This is nice.

Speaker 5 (01:03:27):
Last night I was here really late and everything went late,
over time extra and it was like a long night.

Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
So this is nice.

Speaker 5 (01:03:33):
It's like, oh, I can actually catch up and tell
you what's happened in the world of sports.

Speaker 6 (01:03:37):
We'll start in the.

Speaker 5 (01:03:38):
NBA, where the Timberwives have taken a two to one
series lead over the Warriors, coming out on top one
O two to ninety seven.

Speaker 6 (01:03:45):
It was a rough beginning.

Speaker 5 (01:03:47):
For the Warriors, but then they got into it. But
at the end it was Anthony Edwards who took over.
He was three thirteen of twenty eight from the field,
five or fourteen from the three, but ended with thirty
six points and again brought it out when it mattered
late in the fourth quarter to make a little run
for Minnesota. Julius Randall had his first career triple double
twenty four points, ten rebounds, twelve assists, Jimmy Butler Jimmy

(01:04:09):
Buckets thirty three points, Jonathan Kaminga off the bench thirty points,
but it just was not enough. Draymond Green also filled
out with less than five minutes to go. The latest
reports that ESPN was saying before the broadcast is that
the Warriors believe Game six would be the earliest game
when Steph Curry can return from that hamstring strain. The
Celtics they got over their slump. They won their first

(01:04:30):
game of the series, outscoring the Knicks at Madison Square
Garden one fifteen to ninety three. Off the bench, Peyton
Pritchard was the leading scorer for Boston twenty three points.
He hit five threes this time. Boston won twenty a
forty from the three point line. In games one and two.
They were twenty five out of one hundred.

Speaker 6 (01:04:45):
No bueno.

Speaker 5 (01:04:46):
Jalen Brunson had twenty seven points in the loss. Mitchell
Robinson was four of twelve from the free throw line.
But that's a separate conversation we'll check into the NHL.
The Hurricane shut out the Capitals four zero. Carolina leads
that series two to one. The Golden Knights won it
at the buzzer. You saw it, Aaron.

Speaker 6 (01:05:00):
It was nuts.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
Yeah, it's crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:05:01):
It was great.

Speaker 6 (01:05:01):
And he hit the post.

Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
I the poor guy who tipped it with his stick.

Speaker 6 (01:05:06):
He tried to block it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:07):
Yeah, but I don't if you watched the second angle, yeah,
I don't know if it was going in if he
didn't touch.

Speaker 6 (01:05:14):
He didn't touch it. Yeah, it's right that it just
happened so fast.

Speaker 5 (01:05:18):
It kind of was like everybody thought we're going overtime,
and Las Vegas was like, we're not done. They win
it literally at the buzzer, four to three against the Oilers.
Edmonton still leads the series two to one. In baseball,
the final games have wrapped up. The Blue Jays held
on to defeat the Mariners in Seattle six to three.
The Angels also won at home against the Orioles five
to two, Diamondback shut out the Dodgers three zero at home,

(01:05:40):
and the Pod Trains just crushed the.

Speaker 6 (01:05:43):
Rockies twenty one to zero.

Speaker 5 (01:05:44):
But we're gonna give some credit to whoever is running
the Rockies Twitter account because they posted a still picture,
a still shot of the Belichick interview with his with
his girlfriend saying we're not talking about this, so that's
all it is. That's all it is on the Rockies
Twitter page. Give it up before whoever's running that account.

(01:06:04):
And Aaron Judge did hit two homers earlier today, but
it wasn't enough because the Ace still outscored the Yankees
eleven to seven. But Aaron Judge, Aaron Judge does lead
the majors with fourteen home runs so far this season.

Speaker 2 (01:06:16):
Back to you guys, thank you very much much. I
saw a Bill Belichick Jordan Hudson meme today. All it
said was she left him for an older man and
it was lou Holt. I don't know why I laughed
at it so hard, but I just I was like
that that was funny. Poor Jordan Hutson. Not poor Jordan.

(01:06:36):
She's fine, nice, fine, eight million dollar real estate portfolio
to fall.

Speaker 6 (01:06:41):
Back, She's fine, he's fine, everyone's fine.

Speaker 2 (01:06:44):
I will say, Jay mart I wanted to talk George Pickens,
but I did not buy that narrative. I don't know
if you even saw this yesterday, but there was like
a report early that she was getting kicked out of
the football facility, and I was like, there is zero
percent this chance this is true, Like Belichick, Listen, at
this point, North Carolina needs Belichick more than Belichick needs

(01:07:05):
North Carolina, and he ain't gonna get pushed around, and
nobody from that school is gonna tell him that if
he wants his girlfriend in the building that she can't
be there. I don't know if you have any strong
opinions on it, but since Jordan Hudson seems to be
the talk of the hour every hour, I don't know
if you saw that story yesterday.

Speaker 3 (01:07:23):
Yeah, I did, and I was just like, what I mean,
Carolina is just showing they have no power here exactly.
I mean, obviously they don't want her in the building,
but they can't say that. We just have to. They
just kind of wink at the camera, right, They're just like, yeah,
it's fine, it's no problem at all. She's in the building.
But basically they're like it's almost a hostage video. They're

(01:07:43):
just like, we know what this is. We have to
we have to say this thing right here, because Bill
Belichick is actually gonna make people watch our football team
this year, even for like the car crash mentality of
it all. So yes, he's kind of got the over
a barrel, like he at this point, he's going to
be able to do what he wants. Now if he

(01:08:04):
goes out there and they win two games this year,
maybe she's not in the building next year, but this
year he's pretty he can pretty much he can rule
the roost, and then he can walk away after this
year if he wants to well.

Speaker 2 (01:08:17):
And that's that's the thing I think. I think they
just hope that they're getting, you know, two thousand and
six Bill Belichick that knew what the heck he was doing,
and not Bill Belichick of the last couple of years
that didn't have a quarterback. But yeah, when I saw
like the initial report of she's not allowed, I'm like,
there's just no way, like like, so Bill Belichick's gonna

(01:08:37):
go to his girlfriend and be like, you're not well,
Like I I just never believed it. And I say that.
You know, I've been watching sports all enough to know,
like when somebody has the power that Bill Belichick currently has.
I just didn't believe it was true. And it was
shot down by the school shortly thereafter. All right, let's
switch gears really quickly to another story. And it was

(01:08:58):
funny because I when I saw this on Wednesday, Thursday,
whatever it was, I thought of you, j Mart around
must have been around. I can't remember February early March.
You and I filled in for Jason Smith and Mike
Carmen and we did a segment called the Least Relevant

(01:09:19):
NFL Stories of the Offseason. It was kind of a
lighthearted thing where everybody's so excited about Daniel Jones going
to Indianapolis and what does it mean? And you know,
Naujie Harris is a Charger, and it's like, none of
it means anything. Daniel Jones is not elevating the Indianapolis Colts.
And I bring it up because that's kind of what
I thought with George Pickens the other day when he

(01:09:41):
got traded to the Dallas Cowboys. George Pickens is a
very nice, very talented, if not a little bit of
a combative wide receiver. I don't think. I know they
need weapons around CD, but I wouldn't say that number
two wide receiver was the number one priority. And I
just think this is a really you know, it's like

(01:10:03):
a big NBA. Oh, Bradley Beal's going to What does
it mean? It's like, well, they don't have a center,
they don't have depths, so it doesn't really mean anything.
And that's kind of how I feel. George Pickens is
like the Bradley Beal of the NFL. It's cool, it
sounds fun on Twitter, but you're now sending a guy
who could not fall in line in Mike Tomlin's system
to play for Brian Schottenheimer and the Cowboys. Cool headline

(01:10:27):
that I don't think really changes much of anything once
the season starts.

Speaker 3 (01:10:30):
Yeah, that's just kind of I mean, do we really
believe that a talented wide receiver going to Dallas all
of a sudden makes them a contender? Somehow? I saw
that quote on multiple sports websites that have high traffic,
like within twenty four hours of that deal being made, like, oh,
this change is everything. No, it doesn't, it changes nothing.
The Eagles are still way better. Jayden Daniels is still

(01:10:55):
and what they're doing in Washington, it's still better. You're
going to be competing with the Jus to be the
third best team in the division. I hate to tell
you that Dallas fans like George Pickens coming to join
cdee lamb. It's not voltron forming in Dallas. There are
other problems there. Also. Do we remember who the head
coach is down there? Like Jerry Jones? Right? Oh, no, no, no,

(01:11:19):
it's Brian Schottenhammer. Like I remember joking when Luca got
traded that man, it's rough for Dallas like these they
lose Luka Doncic who they loved, and they've got to
also somehow be excited about Brian Schottenheimer being the head
coach of the Cowboys, like it's rough going. Hopefully the

(01:11:41):
Stars are going to have a playoff run, which they
have so far, so good for them. Pickens is a
nice player, but no one wide receiver joining a team
that has that many holes it's gonna make that big
a difference. I don't know that it makes one win
worth of difference. And as you mentioned, he's a little volatile.

(01:12:01):
He's got some tendencies at him that they're gonna have
to be careful of because sometimes he actually pushes a
little past the edge that he should as opposed to
kind of staying on the right side of it. You know.
He kind of reminds me a little bit of another
Pittsburgh Steeler, former wide receiver that was a little volatile

(01:12:22):
at times.

Speaker 2 (01:12:22):
And then became then became a lot volatile. Correct was
it with the steel correctly know how bad Antonio Brown was?
That's right, until he wasn't there no more? So go ahead.

Speaker 3 (01:12:33):
Yeah, So that's it. I mean, that's that's really it.
Like I just you see that take and I immediately
am just like, man, you guys are trying to wish
cast us into existence, but fetch ain't a thing. You
have to let it go.

Speaker 2 (01:12:45):
Fetch ain't a thing, and cowboys aren't a thing. And
uh yeah, cool story on Twitter that isn't going to
quit too much during the regular season. Fox Sports Radio
airtors Jason Martin, broadcasting live from the Fox Sports Radio Studios,
will come back. It is these segment that has swept America.
According to Manzi, that's next. Fox Sports Radio, Welcome back, everybody.

(01:13:08):
Fox Sports Radio errators Jason Martin, broadcasting live from the
Fox Sports Radio Studios about twelve fifty Eastern time every
Sunday morning. We throw it over the news desk to
the Sager. Disager's out today, So we are reviving one
of Fox Sports Radio's most popular segments. All right, according

(01:13:31):
to Manzi, Anthony Rendon needs to get his thank you
card ready.

Speaker 5 (01:13:38):
Yes, he really does, because right now, Raphael Devers might
actually suck more than Anthony Rendon.

Speaker 6 (01:13:44):
And that's saying a lot.

Speaker 5 (01:13:46):
Devers refuses to play and be a team player despite
making millions of dollars.

Speaker 6 (01:13:52):
I get it, he's mad.

Speaker 5 (01:13:53):
He's mad that the team brought in a Gold Glove
winning third baseman and Alex Bragman moving him out of
third base and into a designated hitter position.

Speaker 6 (01:14:03):
I get it.

Speaker 5 (01:14:03):
You're upset, But Alex Pregnant is better than you defensively,
and it's not even a question.

Speaker 2 (01:14:08):
But your team is in a pickle.

Speaker 5 (01:14:09):
Tristan Casas has a season ending injury, and instead of
you being a team player playing first base, you want
to stand your ground and say that you're only a
DH now and that you can't play first base.

Speaker 6 (01:14:22):
Nobody is asking you to be Albert Poohols. No one's
asking you to be Freddie Freeman.

Speaker 5 (01:14:27):
Your team is just asking you, in a desperate move
while you're also making.

Speaker 6 (01:14:31):
Twenty seven million dollars to play first base. Are you
not a professional baseball player?

Speaker 3 (01:14:37):
I'm sorry, are you not one?

Speaker 5 (01:14:38):
Because I'm pretty sure you are. Boston gave you a
ten year deal. They showed you, we like you, we
appreciate you. Here's three hundred million dollars. Can you please
try and play first base? And he's like, no, I
don't want to.

Speaker 6 (01:14:51):
I can't. I've never played first base.

Speaker 5 (01:14:53):
We've seen players move to first base without experience.

Speaker 6 (01:14:56):
Sometimes it's because of injury. Some players move because someone
else is better.

Speaker 5 (01:15:00):
Alex rodrig Alex Rodrige is literally moved because of Derek Jeter,
your situation, Raphael's evers. You're not the first, you won't
be the last. But digging your heels because you're Matt
isn't showing the organization that you're a tough guy. It's
showing your teammates. It's showing fans that it's all about
you and it's not.

Speaker 6 (01:15:16):
About the team.

Speaker 5 (01:15:17):
Anthony Wren, Anthony Wren Doon not the worst right now, guys,
that's big yikes.

Speaker 3 (01:15:23):
According to Massie. It's the off season, but Anthony Richardson
is still tapping out.

Speaker 6 (01:15:29):
Oh yeah, I'm for Anthony here.

Speaker 5 (01:15:31):
Anthony Richardson is the most recent athlete to be put
under anesthesia for seven hours to get a full back tattoo.
Not only is that swaft, but you're cheating. You should
have to sit there watch twenty episodes of Friends or
Game of Thrones, or better yet, how about you watch footage.
How about you watch team film study. How about you

(01:15:52):
look at that. Part of getting the tattoo is going
through the process of actually feeling what it's like to
get a tattoo. Just because you have the money, it
doesn't mean you should do it. You know, if you
can't handle the pain, don't get a full back tattoo.
It's not cool, it's soft. I don't have a tattoo,
partly because I can't decide what I want on my
body forever.

Speaker 6 (01:16:10):
But I also don't want to deal with the needles.
I don't want to deal with the paint, so I
don't have one.

Speaker 5 (01:16:13):
But you know what, Richardson and I were the same
because he actually doesn't know what it's like to get
a tattoo.

Speaker 6 (01:16:18):
Well, you're one and the same.

Speaker 2 (01:16:20):
I don't have any tattoos either for many of the
same reasons. And maybe it's because I don't have tattoos.
I didn't know that you could go under it stupid
and loft, but it's exactly was My first thought was like, Oh,
this is the dude that tapped out of an NFL game.

Speaker 3 (01:16:35):
So yeah, but yeah, well that's what I was gonna say.
It's like you were talking about watching game film. I
mean you have to play to actually watch.

Speaker 6 (01:16:42):
Yes, but right like, he's not the first. Others CJ.
Gardner Johnson has also done it, gone under to get.

Speaker 2 (01:16:48):
A full back tattoo.

Speaker 5 (01:16:49):
All of y'all are soft actually has tattoos. And the
first things you ask a person is how long did
it take?

Speaker 6 (01:16:56):
And did it hurt?

Speaker 2 (01:16:56):
Those are the first things you ask. You can't ask
Anthony who she cares? What those Chinese? We just want
to know how much it hurt?

Speaker 6 (01:17:02):
How long was it?

Speaker 2 (01:17:03):
Oh swaft, No, I think he'shy.

Speaker 7 (01:17:06):
According to mon see hazard lights or are for an emergent.

Speaker 1 (01:17:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:17:09):
I don't know who needs to hear this, guys, but
just because you turn on your hazard lights doesn't mean
you could do whatever you want.

Speaker 6 (01:17:16):
Like, no, no, no, no, no, don't be that girl. Don't
be that girl. Is there a parking spot next to you?

Speaker 3 (01:17:20):
Use it.

Speaker 6 (01:17:20):
Don't just block away because you put your hazard lights on.
You think it's okay.

Speaker 5 (01:17:24):
There's no emergency for you to get your Starbucks, especially
if there is a damn parking spot. Why do people
do this, especially around LA I was just driving through
the mall and this guy was pulled off to the
side with his hazard lights on while his buddy was
talking to him, and there was a parking spot right
next to him, but instead all of us had to
go around him to have this conversation, and.

Speaker 6 (01:17:46):
He was fine because he has his hazard lights on.
What is that? No, no, no, that does not mean
you could do whatever you want.

Speaker 3 (01:17:54):
Mary.

Speaker 6 (01:17:54):
If you're one of those people that just parks your
car wherever.

Speaker 3 (01:17:56):
You feel like and it puts.

Speaker 5 (01:17:57):
The hazard lights on, no no, no, no, no, I
don't care, get out of the way and use the
parking space.

Speaker 2 (01:18:03):
I actually did that the other day. I was at
the gym. No, I was at the gym and I
needed some bananas for my smoothie, and I was just like,
I'll get some at the grocery store and I'm like,
I'm here anyway, right to the front, right in front
hazard lights, boom running getting bananas, Aaron.

Speaker 3 (01:18:22):
I'm sorry, bananas. Are you putting in a smoothie? Bananas?

Speaker 1 (01:18:25):
Plurals a lot?

Speaker 2 (01:18:27):
I got three, just smooth not for the whole smoothie. No, no, no, no,
not for the whole smoothie. So you know, I got
three to have her on the house.

Speaker 5 (01:18:34):
And like I get I feel like I see you know,
Amazon drivers they do it in the middle of the street,
on those busy roads. Like, I'm not talking about Amazon
drivers that are delivering all of these packages for all
of us.

Speaker 6 (01:18:45):
It's people who are the normal day to day, normal
day to day. But it's even more annoying. Was there
a parking space next to you?

Speaker 5 (01:18:50):
There was no. Pretty it's more annoying when I see
it when there's actual space for you to get out
of the way.

Speaker 3 (01:18:56):
Yes, it's dog kids upsetting.

Speaker 2 (01:19:03):
When did dogwater become a thing? I did use? I
think you were the first one to use it, and
I was like, where did that come from? And now
it's it's it's all the rage. I don't know what
that is. Who else is dog water? Golden State Warriors

(01:19:23):
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Speaker 1 (01:19:26):
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Speaker 2 (01:19:29):
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(01:19:50):
Mother's Day. Get your flowers, get your chocolates, take care
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then we'll spend the next hour talking about some interesting

(01:20:11):
stories outside of the games tonight. I do have a
lebron quote that caught my attention. You gave us a
great Jalen Bronson hypothetical that we'll dive into here throughout
the hour, And of course we'll look ahead to Sunday's
Game four between Oklahoma City and Denver. But let's just
start with the two games from Saturday. Let's start with

(01:20:34):
the second game, Golden State versus Minnesota. Minnesota wins one
oh two, to ninety seven. Minnesota's up two to one
in this series. Yet talking to you an hour one
about this game, this game at about eleven thirty Eastern time,
I think you and I both had the same takeaway,
which is that, yes, Minnesota should be very happy being

(01:20:55):
up two to one after beating the Lakers in five.
Yet despite the fact that they are up two to
one after beating the Lakers in five in Round one,
it often feels like the te Wolves leave something a
little bit to be desired a five point win they
actually trailed going into the fourth quarter at Golden State,
and of course, keep in mind Golden State without Steph Curry,

(01:21:17):
as Monsi told us earlier in the show that hamstring
injuries expected to keep him out to at least Game
six in this series. So Minnesota wins, Minnesota's up to one,
but Minnesota also feels like they're leaving a little something
on the table, jam Mark, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:21:33):
I mean, Anthony Edwards had eight in the first half,
and it just didn't feel like they were playing at
full speed. And maybe maybe Edwards was still a little
hobbled from Game two and the ankle, but he did
come out and force the issue in the third and
fourth quarter. His talent won out. But the thing that

(01:21:54):
leads me wanting when it comes to Minnesota is just
this is a Steph Curry list Golden State team. Yes,
it's in their building and that's always going to be
a tough place to play, but this is a Jimmy
Butler that was a cast off in Miami and he's
out there getting you thirty plus And it's not really

(01:22:15):
that surprising because he's talented enough to do that, but
you have to stop that if you're Minnesota. There just
was not this intensity that I wanted to see from them,
where they were the aggressors and they were taking it
to Golden State and saying we are going to snuff
you out. We don't think you have a chance without
that guy that wasn't there. And honestly, you look at

(01:22:38):
the finish. It ends at a five point game, and
at one point I think they got up to eight
or ten in the last couple of minutes. But this
thing was in doubt when we came on air, very
much so a couple of hours ago, and it shouldn't
have been. This Minnesota team looked far better against the
Lakers than they have against the Warriors, which just makes
me wonder maybe we were wrong, Aaron. Maybe maybe Not

(01:23:02):
only were the Lakers overrated, they were incredibly overrated entering
the playoffs because we thought like, yeah, let's let them
play the games before we hand them the championship. But
this Minnesota team right here looks like it's eminently beatable
by anybody that's left in the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (01:23:20):
So one hundred percent. And I still go back to
with Minnesota. The game, the game five, I guess it
would have been at Crypto dot com arena. You know,
we we kind of went in on JJ Reddick last week,
the pregame commentary from him, But you had a you know,
for lack of a better term, I can't a wounded
you know, a wounded opponent in the corner, not literally

(01:23:42):
but figuratively. By the end, I guess they were wounded
because Luca hurt his back, but like the Lakers were
clearly reeling. And I forget J Mart. It was a
late game on the East Coast. I know you live
in the Central time zone. I don't know how much
you got to watch that game, but that was the game. Yes,
step on the throat and leaves Yer road doubt right,
and they did the exact opposite, seven of forty seven

(01:24:05):
from three point line. From the three point line. You know,
that was the game that go bear was incredible. But
every single possession I was like, go inside, attack the rim,
get somebody and follow trouble. The Lakers have no interior
defensive presence. They cannot stop you. And the Minnesota Timberwolves
kept settling for threes. And so it's not to dismiss

(01:24:26):
what they did in that series. It's not to dismiss
that they're up two to one here, but it's just
like sometimes you just sit there and say you want more,
you want that killer instinct. I mean, listen, I know
that that they lost on Saturday, and and we'll get
to them in a minute, but it's like with the Knicks,
it's like, you know, when they have you on the ropes,
they go for the kill shot, and we're gonna go

(01:24:47):
We're talking about the Knicks in a minute, but I
just bring it up because, by the way, the Pacers
in these playoffs, when they have you on the ropes,
they go for the kill. The Minnesota Timberwolves, it just
feels like there's just something where it's like someone step
on somebody's throats, somebody rip their hearts out. They win
on Saturday Night, but without Steph Curry, that game was

(01:25:08):
in doubt and could have gone the other way.

Speaker 3 (01:25:10):
Yeah, I mean really, like everything you're saying is exactly right,
and this will bite them, Like this is going to
be the reason that they don't win a championship this
year if nothing else, like perhaps they don't have the
talent to compete with Oklahoma City. If they can get
by Denver or Denver or somebody in the East like
Celtics or whatever like that, it may not be only

(01:25:31):
because of this, but it's that kind of thing that
killer instincts got to exist, Like you have to walk
out there wanting to take souls basketball souls, of course,
but you know just where it's just you leave no
doubt in anybody's mind and you just look like an
absolute mauler out there. And they don't have that mentality,
Like it's just not there, and I don't know that

(01:25:54):
the person exists on the roster that has it. Anthony
Edwards can just outlaw you and he knows it and
that's why he smiles while he's doing it. But like
that main streak that Kobe had when it came to
the way he played, that's just not here, and that
is the thing that is missing. And look, it could
be a destriment too, like you know stories of guys

(01:26:15):
that were so competitive they wouldn't even let kids beat
them in like literal league games at like basketball camps
and stuff like that, with you know those videos of
those kinds of things, like you could take it to
an extreme. But I just want Anthony Edwards to want
to rule the basketball world. And I don't think he does,
and he has said so, but I'm not even talking

(01:26:36):
about being the face of the league. I just want
him to be the I want him to want to
be the guy everybody's afraid of when it comes to
the way he plays basketball, and I too often he
kind of disappears for me to feel that way about him.

Speaker 2 (01:26:50):
You know, this isn't a perfect analogy, but I'm gonna
go with it anyway. Is I remember, you know, when
Ben Johnson got the Chicago Bears coaching job and we're
talking about Caleb Williams and I just said, look, I
don't know if Caleb Williams is the guy or not,
but I just want to see him put in the
best position, and I just want the best version of
Caleb Williams. And that's kind of how it's not in

(01:27:11):
apples to apples, but that's kind of how I feel
with Anthony Edwards is I just want to see Listen,
whether he wins ten championships or zero, I just want
to see the best version of Anthony Edwards in the
biggest moments, because I know that it's there.

Speaker 3 (01:27:26):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:27:27):
It's like, I don't know, I don't even know where
I'm trying to go with this.

Speaker 3 (01:27:31):
It's oh, I know what you're saying, like want we
want to see greatness at its greatest level? Yes, Like
you want to see Patrick Mahomes max out. You want
to see josh Allen Lamar Jackson max out. You want
to see it Jordan, you want to see Lebron at
his height. You want to see d Way when he's
winning championships. You want to see that. And it's the
same thing I think that's missing with Jason Tatum, that

(01:27:52):
there's just or at least that's the knock on him.
At times you see little glimpses of it, but it's
not there on a night to night basis, and as such,
there's a difference between being an elite player and being
a transcendent player, like a transcendent leader, and to do that,

(01:28:13):
you've got to want it in a way that I'm
just not sure the competitive fire is quite there the
same way. Like, I don't know, it's not like they
want to lose. It's not like they don't want to
win as badly as the other guys. I just don't
think it feels as life and death on the floor.
And I kind of want it to. Not in an
unhealthy way, mind you, but just like I want them

(01:28:35):
out there not wanting to shake hands after the game.
I don't want it to be disrespectful or violent, but
I just want that healthy brand of competition and one
upsmanship that makes sports great.

Speaker 2 (01:28:49):
Timberwolves take game three. Game four will be Tuesday. Let's
get to the other game really quickly. Celtics Knicks ninety
three the next story here. Sure report shots were falled
for the Celtics twenty of forty from three. Not great
at math, but that comes out to fifty percent after
they shot twenty five of one hundred in the first

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two games. Again not great at math, but that's twenty
five percent in games one and two fifty percent in games.
In Game three, these two will get back on the
floor Monday night. That will be, by the way, following
the NBA Draft lottery. It's seven Eastern. Just bring it
up to say Celtics win Game three, and I said
it in an hour one and I stand by it is.

(01:29:32):
I don't really know what to make of this series
from the perspective of Celtics were up twenty plus points
in each of the first two games. This series could
be three to zero Boston. It is two to one
New York, and I think New York deserves to be
up two to one. It's not like I'm saying they
don't deserve to be where they are. But I guess
what I'm trying to say is if the Celtics end

(01:29:53):
up coming back and winning in seven, I wouldn't be surprised.
But if if this was the blip where the Celtics
are actually making threes and they revert back to a much
lower shooting percentage, I could see the New York Knicks
winning in five or six. So what do you take
away from Game three Saturday between the Celtics and the Necks.

Speaker 3 (01:30:10):
Just what I expected to happen. I didn't think the Celtic.
I mean, Celtics have a championship. You know that they
just won, and they do have championship pedigree, so there's
a lot of pride. You go down two Oh, you're
gonna go in their building and you're gonna try to
You're gonna you're gonna be playing at your highest level
because I just you go down three to Oh, you're
gonna lose. I just couldn't see the Celtics going down

(01:30:32):
three to Oho in this series. I didn't know it
would be quite this much of a beat down, but
I expected a double digit win, pretty convincing, not really
leaving the door open the way that they have in
these other two games, which is come back to bite
them and you're not gonna shoot that bad from three
every night as they had in the first two games.

(01:30:52):
So eventually they were gonna get one. It all comes
down to Game four, and I felt that way before
Game three ever tipped off. I knew in my heart
that Boston was gonna in that game, and they did.
And so now you look it for If New York
wins it, I think they win the series. If they
lose it, I might think they lose the series. It's
that tight, because then it goes back to home court

(01:31:12):
and the Celtics no longer have to win a game
on the road, and that was what Golden State was
playing for tonight too. If Golden State had won, they
wouldn't have had to win in Minnesota again because they
would have been up to oh and they would have
had two more at home. So they gave that potential
advantage away in this situation, put it back on home court.
Now they're gonna have to win on the road again.

(01:31:33):
And so if Boston is able to get this thing
back on serve that it puts them in a good position.
But I mean the game, I didn't even pay attention
in the fourth quarter because there was just no point.
Like that game was decided pretty quickly, and you just
kind of knew, and I think the Knicks knew, and
I don't think they were particularly surprised by this either.
It does set up for a very intriguing Game four.

Speaker 2 (01:31:53):
Yeah, Game four again Monday at seven thirty. Also correction
on my part, I said Game four of Minnesota Golden
State is Tuesday. It's actually Monday, So we do get
a doubleheader on Monday, Boston, New York and Minnesota Golden State.
Of course, we also get a doubleheader on Sunday as well,
Mother's Day. Oklahoma City at Denver Game four, that's at

(01:32:13):
three point thirty Eastern Cleveland at Indye. That game is
at eighty stern. Of course, Indy is up two to
one and Denver is up two to one as well.
Fox Sports Radio Eric Tors Jason Martin broadcasting live from
the Fox Sports Radio Studios. We'll come back. One team
that is not in the playoffs, Los Angeles Lakers. Just

(01:32:34):
don't blame Lebron James. That's according to Lebron James. We'll
explain it next. Fox Sports Radio.

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to our Fox Sports Radio videos on YouTube. A lot
of conversation about the NBA playoffs on tonight's show. One
team we have not talked about is the Los Angeles
Lakers because they're not in the playoffs. A lot of
different reasons why they're not in the playoffs. One reason
that we should not blame for them not being in

(01:33:36):
the playoffs. Don't blame Lebron James, at least according to
Lebron James. So he is doing, of course, his podcast
Mind the Game. Remember, of course, his previous co host
was JJ Reddick. He gets the head coaching job. Steve
Nash is now the new co host, and they were
talking about how the playoffs went. Nash asks, Uh, how

(01:34:01):
do you know, basically, just you know, how did it
go down? How do you think you you know, you
guys had Luca and yourself. What happened? And this is
what he said, He said, quote It's never just about
me and Luca. It was always Minnesota versus the Lakers.
I am at the point in my career now where
you know, I don't lose much sleep over that. How
did me and Luca lose. Well, yeah, there's eight other

(01:34:24):
guys on the floor. I actually have two different takes
on this one, Jay Martin. The first one funny how
Lebron seems to get all the credit whenever everybody whenever
his team wins, but when he loses, it's a team
game and there were eight other players on the court.
J mart.

Speaker 3 (01:34:46):
Yeah, so this is the weakest thing I've ever heard, Wow,
from somebody that great. Right, So I haveing somebody that
takes won that many championships, that's been talked about that much.
And I knew this. I'd seen this a few days ago.
This is one of the lamest excuses, one of the
biggest passes of the buck that I've ever seen. Like,

(01:35:08):
be an adult about this and just say what you
want to say. My team is full of a bunch
of scrubs, because that's what that means. You're not going
to take responsibility even though this team is all about you,
like you say, it's not just me and Luca. I'm
surprised you actually put Luca in there. I'm surprised it wasn't.

(01:35:29):
I'm surprised you didn't find a way to say just me.
But dude, you weren't great in the series either, Like
you had some good moments. Of course, Luca had that
game where he was sick and you showed out that night,
even though you lost that game, but you still showed
out that night. But you also had some key turnovers,
some big time lapses on defense, some big time misses

(01:35:53):
from distance deep in these games, you were part of
the team that lost. Okay, like a leader, especially somebody
that's like an elder statesman in the league at this point,
whose legacy is well intact and is not going to
be criticized. You didn't have to say it's not about me,
because nobody on TV was going to say it was

(01:36:14):
about you anyway, because they know their jobs and they
know their responsibilities, and they know what they've been told.
But it's just so weak. Like just go up there
and say, man, you know I could have been better.
Just take ownership for it, because some people are going
to defend you after the fact. Anyway. Take the high road.

(01:36:35):
Don't throw everybody but yourself underneath the bus. You're Lebron James.
You have rings on almost every finger. You've done all,
You've done everything you can. You're going straight into the
Hall of fame. Most people are going to say you're
the second best player to ever live, if not if
you include Bill Russell, the maybe third. There's some people

(01:36:56):
that will try to go lower, but just general consensus,
it's you. That's the longest running debate in sports at
this stage, and all this stuff, it's such a weak lame.
It's just bad. Like I thought, Reddick's answer after they
lost was bad, basically talking about conditioning and all this

(01:37:16):
stuff and taking absolutely no ownership for his boneheaded decision
to play five dudes for you know, the entire second
half of a game, especially when one of them was forty.
But for Lebron to do that, to me, it's just
unfathomably arrogant. And I don't even think he I don't
think he believes that, But the fact that he said

(01:37:38):
that out loud with a straight face, I'm just like, man,
I can't wait for you to retire.

Speaker 2 (01:37:44):
Well at this.

Speaker 3 (01:37:44):
Point, like that that right there is like I don't
want him to continue playing in the league if that's
gonna be his mentality, because no one is going to
enjoy that.

Speaker 2 (01:37:54):
Well, And that was actually gonna be my secondary takeaway
besides the fact that you know, it's never about him.
It's always about him when they win, never about him
when they lose. I actually think, and this is actually,
in some ways kind of sad. I just I don't
think he really cares about winning anymore. And I said
this throughout the year. This year to me, felt like
a Lebron nostalgia tour. First of all, you go back

(01:38:16):
to when he signed with the Lakers. We all know
it was, Hey, I want to be in Los Angeles.
I want to start building this post playing career with
entertainment and this and that. But I said it all
years that I really felt like this felt like a
Lebron nostalgia tour where it wasn't about winning, it was
about playing with Bronni. You know, going back to Cleveland
with Bronni bringing in his buddy as a coach, and

(01:38:38):
it's like, you know, listen, whatever you think, you know,
we were talking, what we were talking about, we were
talking about something. Oh, we're talking about Nico Harrison when
he said I had no idea that Luca meant so
much to this city. And it's like, even if you
didn't know, don't say that. And if you're a Lebron,
even if you really believe that. Don't say it to

(01:38:59):
because if you're a LA fan and if you're paying
for tickets to watch Lebron and he's like, I mean,
what do you want? It's team game? Uh yeah, ain't
other guys on the court? Like am I fired up
to spend a couple thousand or ten thousand or however
much it cost to get Lakers season tickets next year? Well,
don't play me. No, you want to hear from your

(01:39:19):
star player. Oh man, it's been eating at me since
the day the season ended. We gotta be better. I
gotta be better. You know, I've been back in the gym.
I couldn't even take time off because and to sit
there and say, you know, well, what do you want?
I mean, it's a you know, it's a it's a
it's a team game. I'm not losing any You're supposed
to be the greatest player of all time. You're you've

(01:39:39):
tried to sell us as you're the greatest player of
all time. You just got lost in five games in
the first round of the NBA playoffs, and you said,
I'm not losing sleep over that. Listen, Like you said,
the MJ versus Lebron stuff is exhausting and overplayed at
this point, but I hate to do it. Could you
ever imagine Michael Jordan no losing in the first round

(01:40:00):
of the playoffs? Oh, I'm not losing sleepover it. Michael
Jordan was losing sleepover only winning the finals in six games.

Speaker 3 (01:40:07):
It's like Michael Jordan would take a sledgehammer to a
sports car. If he lost in the first round of
the playoffs, he would have been irate. That's the whole
thing we're talking about with Anthony Edwards, like that Kobe
didn't like it when he lost. I don't think Lebron
likes it. But I mean, you look at Lebron James
at this point, what do you mean You're not losing
sleep over it? And then you're just saying, well, the

(01:40:29):
reason I'm not losing sleepover is because I know I
did everything that I could. Everybody else just stinks. That's
just a terrible attitude. That's not a team first attitude
at all. And it's also not taking ownership for the
fact that everything about this basketball team is on you, Holmes.
It just is like the coach, like you talked about

(01:40:51):
Bronnie James being drafted, all of these kinds of things.
This is just the way that it is. Like I
hate to say it, but this whole situation is because
of you. Everything about this reeks of you. Like you
can say that it's not all about you, but it's
all about you, man, Like here's the thing. You sent

(01:41:15):
this to me, but I'm gonna read it. Lakers in
the Lebron James era twenty nineteen, missed the playoffs, twenty twenty,
won the championship in the Bubble, twenty twenty one, eliminated
first round, twenty twenty two, miss playoffs twenty twenty three,
swept in the Western Conference Finals, twenty twenty four, eliminated
first round, twenty twenty five, eliminated first round. I mean,

(01:41:38):
what are we doing here? What are we doing here?
Like this is why I continue to say that I'll
never think of the Lakers when I think of Lebron James.
And I originally said when he went to LA, I
was like, I wouldn't do it. I just stay. I
think my legacy is better if I don't go to LA. Yeah,
he won a championship in LA. Who cares it happened

(01:41:59):
in a anyway? But even past that, even if it
hadn't happened in the bubble. It's still a team in
LA where you got Anthony Davis next to you on
top of everything else that's going on. Outside of that,
it's been mediocrity and failure, like because your skills haven't
receded enough. I'm not going to compare you to Ben Roethlisberger,
but this is what this feels like to me. That

(01:42:20):
lasts like three four years, where every time they lost,
it's like, I don't know if I'm to play next year.
That's the same thing happened after they got eliminated by Minnesota.
Somebody asked me, He's like, I don't know how to
answer that question. Every year it's that way, but he
keeps on coming back. The difference is Lebron still should
because Lebron is still an outstanding basketball player at that point,
Roethlisberger really kind of his his days were passed. But

(01:42:41):
it feels the same way, like I didn't believe the
Steelers were ever contenders during that phase, and I don't
think the Lakers are contenders during this phase, which is
why they brought in Luka Doncic. But as long as
Lebron is there, the albatross remains the same, and for
him to refuse to take ownership as the guy that
is literally the foundational piece of the team and has

(01:43:03):
been kind of the cog behind all the decisions that
have been made there is absolutely ridiculous and honestly, it's
it's kind of pathetic.

Speaker 2 (01:43:13):
I don't know what else. There's that kind of pathetic.
I don't think he's about winning, and you know, it's
like I said, in some ways, it's sad and I
don't know what he's hanging around for it. Does he
not have anything to do? Does you know the story
came about last week that his younger son, of course, Bryce,
is going to be a college freshman next year. If

(01:43:33):
you're not bothered by winning, you shouldn't be doing it.
So Fox Sports Radio air George Jason Martin, we are
broadcasting live from the Fox Sports Radio studios, will come
back and interesting hypothetical about Lebron's teammate Luka Doncic. Will
get to that in just one moment before we do
though final time this evening, Manzi belanios, what is trending?

Speaker 3 (01:43:56):
All right?

Speaker 6 (01:43:57):
Let me add one more thing before I tell you.
I know you guys are so right, Like he's ridiculous.
I don't have time for it. It swaft swaft like
you want.

Speaker 5 (01:44:08):
You want the credit when it's all going great and dandy,
and then the minute things don't go your way, you
want to say, oh.

Speaker 6 (01:44:13):
There's eight of us on the floor. Shut up, it's
you and Luca.

Speaker 3 (01:44:16):
Shut up.

Speaker 6 (01:44:17):
And do we even bring Luca into it. You should
have just said it should be on you got yeah,
I did not do enough. I should have done more,
and then that's it. But instead he's.

Speaker 2 (01:44:26):
He's believe that even if that's.

Speaker 3 (01:44:29):
Part of it, that's exactly right if you say.

Speaker 6 (01:44:32):
It exactly exactly. But instead he says the stupidest stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:44:36):
Oh, in the book that I'm reading about Phil Jackson,
he says that he at practice, he would have like
the best team like Michael Jordan and the best and
Scottie Pippen to play against like the Scrubs, but he
wouldn't call fouls on the scrubs, and the Scrubs could
just like, you know, foul as hard as they want,
and they would end up beating Michael Jordan, and Michael
would hate it, and it was just practice, and he

(01:44:57):
would hate losing that practice. But he' it because the
Pistons were so physical with Michael that he had like,
you know, the scrubs literally beat up on him.

Speaker 6 (01:45:05):
But he's like, I would put the best against the worst,
but the.

Speaker 5 (01:45:07):
Worst never got any fouls called during practice or scrimmages,
and then they would win and Michael would hate it.

Speaker 2 (01:45:12):
By the way, you're doing a good sell on this book.
I take a few trips. I need reading material, dude.

Speaker 5 (01:45:17):
It's so I didn't think I was gonna enjoy it
as much as I just started reading it, and like
literally three days ago and I'm halfway through it because
I can't like And it's what's crazy is it's.

Speaker 6 (01:45:27):
About leading men and leading a team.

Speaker 5 (01:45:31):
It's not about like you don't have to like the
NBA if you are running a business and you're trying
to figure out how to get through to people that
you are leading. He is talking about that and different
ways to approach it like it's basketball, but it's beyond that.

Speaker 6 (01:45:45):
It's quite it's it's it's.

Speaker 5 (01:45:46):
Crazy, Like I really, I'm thoroughly enjoying it.

Speaker 6 (01:45:49):
Eleven rings.

Speaker 2 (01:45:50):
Maybe I can borrow when you're yeah, no, I'm.

Speaker 6 (01:45:52):
Happy to give it to you. Absolutely, Yeah, if you
want to halfway through. I'm gonna finish it in a
couple days because I cannot. I want to keep I
keep wanting to read it.

Speaker 5 (01:45:59):
But yeah, he talked about so it's so good again,
like you guys were saying, Kobe and Michael hate losing,
like you see it and then like this generation like
yesterday when OKC lost and shake kill, just Alexander was
walking away smiling.

Speaker 6 (01:46:11):
You're just like, I don't. I don't know if this
is funny or if it's a defense mechanism, but it's
not a good look.

Speaker 2 (01:46:17):
Like I agree, And it was funny because Jmart we
were talking about this earlier with Anthony Edwards is like loft, yeah,
but then it's also Tatum and oh, by the way,
let's not forget about John Zion, which was and it's like,
maybe it is just a generational thing.

Speaker 5 (01:46:32):
Might be a generational and also like something that I've
read with you know, comments on on Twitter, It's like,
maybe it's true that these guys are just happy to
be making money and playing hoops and winning.

Speaker 2 (01:46:43):
Is not really That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:46:45):
It's sad. Said no, maybe they exchange jerseys now they.

Speaker 2 (01:46:48):
Change jerseys now, well, you know in hindsight. What probably
wasn't a good sign was the Olympics last summer, Like
it was supposed to be passing the baton and it
was like, oh, Stephen Lebron have to do everything like
it twenty eleven.

Speaker 5 (01:47:01):
Yeah, it's crazy, all right, all right, let's talk about
what happened in the NBA two games today. But the
Celtics won their first one of the series, rolling past
the Knicks at Madison Square Garden one fifteen to ninety three.
Imagine paying all that money to be at that game
because the Knicks were never in it from start to
finish at all.

Speaker 2 (01:47:17):
I don't mean to keep interrupting.

Speaker 6 (01:47:18):
You're five.

Speaker 2 (01:47:19):
Mom's a town from Mother's Day. She's not a big
NBA person, but she's she literally said that, She's like,
can you imagine spinning all that money of this game?

Speaker 5 (01:47:25):
It was like eight hundred dollars to get your foot
in the door, I know, at a standing room only.

Speaker 6 (01:47:31):
Like I looked it up because I was.

Speaker 2 (01:47:32):
Like, there's no way eight hundred bucks.

Speaker 6 (01:47:34):
Yeah, cuckoo, cuckoo bananas.

Speaker 5 (01:47:36):
Boston was twenty to forty from the three, very different
from their first two games. Jason Tatum hitting five of
them for a total of twenty two points, nine rebounds,
and seven assists.

Speaker 6 (01:47:44):
New York still leads this series two to one.

Speaker 5 (01:47:46):
The Timberwolves now lead their series two to one after
defeating the Warriors one O two to ninety seven. Anthony
Edwards came alive in the second half, ended with thirty
six points, but Julius Randall recorded his first career triple
double twenty four points, ten rebounds, twelve assists. Draymond Green
did fell out with about four minutes left in the
game and ended with two points. Another thing that can happen,
Draymond Green, you have to have more than two points.

Speaker 6 (01:48:08):
That's bueno.

Speaker 5 (01:48:09):
Jimmy Butler thirty three points. Jonathan Camingo off the bench,
thirty points. In the NHL, the Hurricane shout out the
Capital's four zero. Carolina leads that series two to one.
With point four seconds left, the Golden Knights wanted at
the buzzer to stun the Oilers four to three. Edmonton
leads that series two to one. Couple of baseball scores
like the A's who outscored the Yankees eleven to seven.
But Haron Judge, let's talk about that guy.

Speaker 6 (01:48:30):
He Homer twice.

Speaker 5 (01:48:31):
He's up to fourteen home runs, which leads major League Baseball,
and his batting average three ninety six. That's his freaking
batting average, you guys. The Braves edged the Pirates three
to two and eleven innings. Don Kelly, and his second
game as a manager for the Pirates was ejected.

Speaker 6 (01:48:45):
Nicely done.

Speaker 5 (01:48:46):
The Cardinals extend their winning streak to seven after defeating
the Nationals four to two.

Speaker 6 (01:48:50):
Red Sox snapped the.

Speaker 5 (01:48:51):
Royal seven game winning streak, coming out on top ten
to one, and the Twins have now won seven after
topping the Giants two to one. The Cubs held on six'
five against The. Mets diamond shut up The dodgers three.
Zero The padres crushed The rockies twenty one. Zero colorado
has now lost eight in a. Row sepstraca And Shane
lowry are in the lead at The Truest championship at
fourteen under part, overall and in THE, Nfl Yes saints

(01:49:13):
Quarterback Derek carr announced his retirement in large part because
of a degenerative rotator cuff injury in his. Shoulder the
team said surgery was an, option but it wasn't even
for sure that he would return to his previous level
of strength and.

Speaker 6 (01:49:26):
Function The saints.

Speaker 5 (01:49:27):
Already announced that they're going to rotate all their, quarterbacks
give them each the opportunity to win the starting. Job
The saints Have Spencer, Rattler Jake, kyner And Tyler. Shook
that is not how you, say all, right, shook have
you seen? That?

Speaker 2 (01:49:42):
Oh, yeah, no, no, sure, sure that's how long sh
shaw shook. Shook, Yeah i'm shook watching.

Speaker 3 (01:49:48):
Them i'm.

Speaker 2 (01:49:49):
Sure, yeah that's. Yeah so not? Good, no, yeah, sorry
not good. Shook she.

Speaker 6 (01:49:55):
Shook she Wants Spencer. Rattler she's she's A rattler.

Speaker 2 (01:49:59):
FAN i think he's better Than Tyler. Shuck and but
when you when you're when you're pining For Spencer, rattler
unless you're actively hoping for the number one, PICK i
don't know that's where you want to be.

Speaker 6 (01:50:11):
As there's a lot of people try to get that
number one, pick, RIGHT i don't.

Speaker 2 (01:50:15):
Know you talk about The steelers doing you, know we
don't have enough time for. THAT i cannot believe that
they're just, like, yeah we Think Aaron, rodgers we'll figure it.
Out it's, like what are we? Doing?

Speaker 6 (01:50:25):
Yeah and then they're Like, okay, Bye, George well we
GOT Dk we're. Ready, yeah, okay, guys this was fun all?

Speaker 2 (01:50:32):
Right well see, yes all. Right that Was Manzi, Belanios Aeron,
Torres Jason, Martin Fox Sports. Radio one segment. Left two
games On, sunday plus an interesting hypothetical that j mart
posted to. Me we'll discuss it all. Next Fox Sports.
Radio welcome back, Everybody Fox Sports, Radio Aeron Tors Jason
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(01:50:54):
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(01:51:15):
after we get off, Air, jamart really, quick before we
look ahead To sunday's, doubleheader you proposed a very interesting
question to me in our group. Chat why don't you
propose it To america right?

Speaker 3 (01:51:29):
Now so WHAT i said to you generally was Which
Dallas maverick exile would you rather build a team? Around
have be your. Leader Luka doncic of course being you
know Who Luka doncic was taking up to THE Nba

(01:51:50):
finals last year and all the points and all the
things that he had, done and just be in the
face of that city in many ways for The mavericks.
Organization Or Jalen, brunson who we forget at one, time
was also A maverick With Luka, doncic and of course
has gone on To New york and while he has

(01:52:10):
not made it to AN nba finals, yet he has
made it to a conference finals and they've got a
pretty good look at repeating that task this year and
potentially making it to AN nba. Final, So luca Or,
jalen which one do you? Want if you could only
have one right?

Speaker 2 (01:52:27):
Now so it's, tough you, Know i'll know that it. Is,
Well i'll say, this AND i know where you're gonna.
Go But i'll just SAY i don't know. THAT i
believed until two weeks ago That Jalen brunson could be
the best player on a championship. TEAM i now Believe
Jalen brunson could be the best player on a championship.

(01:52:48):
Team and If jalen bruns could be the best player
on the championship team you are getting. NOW i think
you know you have to have the right teammates around,
him like virtually every player. Ever but WHAT i will
all say is you don't have to question his. Professionalism
you don't have to question if he's going to show
up in. Shape no injury. HISTORY i know he got
hurt in the, playoffs but that's you, Know luca's got

(01:53:11):
a more questionable injury history in his. Past SO i would,
say as crazy as it, sounds BUT i don't think
it's crazy to. Say IF i was starting a team,
TODAY i would probably. GO i think you could make
the argument For Jalen. BRUNSON i don't. Know i'll give
you the, floor BUT i think you go either. One
BUT i think The Jalen brunson argument is certainly stronger

(01:53:34):
than people.

Speaker 3 (01:53:35):
Think both of them are intense. Players both of them
have pretty strong offensive skill. Sets you're going to give
that To, luco of, course But Jalen brunson is no.
Slouch which one plays better? Defense, Yeah Jalen. Brunson, okay
is there a team that you could Put Jalen brunson

(01:53:55):
on that you think where it would wreck the.

Speaker 2 (01:53:58):
Chemistry there a, Point, no there's.

Speaker 3 (01:54:01):
NOT i think that closes the case with all the
things that you also added. PRIOR i think It's Jalen
brunson that you would want to build a team around
when it came to because whoever you want to build
a team, around you would hope essentially is going to
be the. Leader and we discussed leadership and lack of
leadership on some of these teams and things like. THAT

(01:54:23):
i don't know That luca couldn't be a, leader But
luca is sort of it's going to be an awkward
fit in a lot of, Cases Whereas Jalen, BRUNSON i
feel like he could lead anybody THAT i wanted him
to be, with AND i think that people get better around.
Him Give luca some talent around, HIM i think that
helps when it comes To. Kyrie and this is not

(01:54:44):
really a knock On, luca it's just suggesting THAT i
still don't Think Jalen brunson gets enough, respect enough. Attention
like the MORE i watch, him it seems like every
Time i've watched him since last since like The All
star break last, year last, season he seems to get
better AND i start to trust him, more AND i

(01:55:04):
love watching him. Play he just seems to do everything
right on the basketball. Court and, again like you easily
could go To New york and just disappear in that
market and everything, else And Jalen brunson is becoming a
megastar and he's doing everything. Right what he says in
interviews is almost always. Right he is a team first.

(01:55:24):
Guy we talked about egoist. Basketball Jalen brunson knows he's,
good but he doesn't floun. It he doesn't have. To
he just goes out there and plays, basketball and when
they need him down the, stretch he's almost always. There
SO i think It's Jalen, brunson And i'm not even
sure right. Now it's particularly close when it comes to
the parameters that laid. Out this is not about just

(01:55:45):
who's a better scorer or anything like. That and both
of them are outstanding and both of them can take
over games and all that kind of, Stuff But i'm
gonna Take Jalen.

Speaker 2 (01:55:53):
Brunson it's an interesting it's an interesting. CONVERSATION i don't
know if there's a little too Much luca negativity because
because of, whatever BECAUSE i still think he's really, good
BUT i think there's a lot of, uh there's a
lot of compelling case For Jayleen brunson really, quick not
speaking Of Jalen brunson because they don't play Till. Monday,
okay See denver game, Four Mother's? Day what do you?

Speaker 3 (01:56:16):
GOT i, mean it's my, team, Man that's, okay that
is my, team and this matchup has just been frustrating to, Watch.

Speaker 2 (01:56:23):
Like COULD i give you My Oklahoma City god take?
That since we just did this, TOPIC i Told Brandon deutsch,
THIS i truly believe. It you're gonna Think i'm. Crazy
maybe you. WON'T i don't. KNOW i can't say that
he's a better player, now but IF i was starting
a team, TOMORROW i THINK i would Take. JAYLEEN i
THINK i would Take Jalen williams over Shake Giljis.

Speaker 3 (01:56:43):
ALEXANDER i mean they're both really. Good, YEAH i, MEAN
i don't know THAT i would say, that BUT i
definitely think that it's it's not like preposterous for you
to suggest. THAT i don't know that that's the hottest
take in the. WORLD i guess the only reason that
it feels that way is BECAUSE sga might be THE
mvp of the league this. Year but if you're just

(01:57:05):
kind of looking at what's going to happen in years to,
come it's a Big it's a good problem to have
if You're Oklahoma city that that's a debate that you can.
Have but at the same, time a bad problem to
have is being down two to one against The nuggets.
Team that's just kind of a bad matchup for. You
and to lose that game on a night When jokic
was not really, firing that one. Hurts it really does

(01:57:27):
like that one feels like it's going, seven which as
long as the games are, good that's gonna be great
for the basketball watching. Public it's hard for me, though
because it's just watching that overtime and watching the last.
SHOT i was actually thinking to, Myself, MAN i actually
Wish sga had given up the, ball just because of
the way that they played him on. Defense you want
it to be in your guy's. HAND i understand, that

(01:57:48):
BUT i just felt like that was such a low percentage.
Shot you would have liked to have seen that go
somewhere else real.

Speaker 2 (01:57:55):
Quick you have a pick on that, Game.

Speaker 3 (01:57:57):
YEAH i feel, like, okay so you'll get. IT i
don't don't see them going down three to. One, again
they're going down three to. ONE i don't think it's going,
seven AND i just told YOU i think it probably
is going. Seven SO i think they'll tie it.

Speaker 2 (01:58:07):
Up say, THIS i think it'll be an interesting conversation
next week that we might have to have On Oklahoma
city of, like if they don't win this, series do
you run it back with this young? Core do you
try to get? Older it'll be interesting really. Quickly game
four In Indiana cleveland trailing two to, one So indiana
obviously up two to one at, home eight Pm eastern On.

Speaker 3 (01:58:28):
Sunday, MAN i don't know This calves. Team This calvs
team feels eerily similar To Donovan Mitchell's jazz team that
was the number one, seed especially with some sort of the
injury problems that they're having right. NOW i, mean, Actually
i'm gonna pick The. PACERS i Think indiana's gonna go

(01:58:49):
up three to.

Speaker 2 (01:58:50):
ONE i kind of do. Too those two games are On. Sunday,
monday we Get game four of The Celtics knicks and
of course the uh The. Warriorsves we gotta get out of.
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