Andy Furman & Bucky Brooks talk NBA Finals, Thibs Out in New York, is the Drama Over with Aaron Rodgers Signing with the Steelers or just beginning, & MORE!

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Don't listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
All right, just how important is this wind? We'll get
to that in just about a minute, but right now
it's time to say good morning everybody. Yes, it's that time.
It is Fox Sports Sunday. He's Bucky Brooks. I'm Andy Freman,
and you know what. We're broadcasting live from the Fox
Sports Radio studios. And away we go, Bucky. How are you,
my partner and friend, the man of the hour, Bucky Brooks?
How are you?

Speaker 3 (00:25):
My great Andy? Can't complain? Is a great Sunday? Looking
forward to chatting.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
I'm a little too loud to tell me. I'll turn
it down a little bit more hyped up. Every time
I hear your name, I go crazy.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
No, no, then bring the energy, and then I bring the energy.
I love it.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
I try. Okay, this is you know. It's funny because
on radio they say bring energy. When I did this
in school, the teachers would put me in the corner.
I mean they send me to the principal's office. I
don't get it. Now, I'm getting paid to go crazy.
In school, I got in trouble. My mom and dad
were up opost every day. Really, it really was that way.
It was that way for me. But we move on.
I need to. Can I just blow off some steam

(00:58):
a little bit about the NBA playoffs. I want to
make it known right here and now. I love the NBA.
I did some work when I was in college with
the New York Knicks and some work with the PR
guys over there that I guess I called it an
internship now, but I was in there stuff and envelopes.
I did that. I helped them every now and again.
But and I always wanted to work in the NBA.
It didn't work out that way. Okay, But as far

(01:20):
as the players are concerned, there's a couple of problems
that I have, and I want to get him off
my chest. Number one, Adam Silva never wrote me back
when I told him what he needs to do on
Christmas Day. Maybe he never got the mail. I don't know.
But here's the problem. The problem may not only be
the NBA, and maybe that stupid four letter network, which
I'm not going to mention the letters. Okay, here we go.
I watched the game on TV the other night, no

(01:41):
national anthem. They played it, I'm sure in Oklahoma City
and they didn't have it on TV. What American sport
does not show the national anthem. Shame on you for
a letter network? Okay? And there were no lineups either
on TV. Okay. Next, the NCAA has Final four written
all over the court, the logo whatever it is? Okay?
Where was the finals on the court? And you know what,

(02:02):
here's the deal in the National Hockey League, buck, they're
playing for the Stanley Cup. There's anybody really if you
poll ten people, do you know what they're playing for?
In the NBA, it's the O'Brien Trophy. Could they say
we're playing for the O'Brien trophy, the Larry O'Brien, former
commissioner of the league. Can they say that the branding
of the NBA stinks? I don't get it. And you

(02:23):
know what, here's another thing that I did way back
in the day which I never got a response for.
Do you know who founded who invented the NBA All
Star Team? A longtime friend, May he rest in peace,
mister Haskell Cone. I did some work for him when
I was in college. He was the first pr guy
of the NBA, and in nineteen fifty four he formulated

(02:44):
he made the old Star game. He created it nineteen
fifty four in Boston, the first one you can't give
a trophy, the Haskell Cone, and then the All Star Game.
So these are some of the things I had to
get off my chest. You could talk about the game
if you want. These other things bothered me. I don't
know if they bug you.

Speaker 4 (03:01):
Uh, I would say one of my bothered by presentation wise, Uh,
I just think it doesn't have the normal buzzs. I
think there is, Like people will always point to the
small market effect, right, Indiana and Oklahoma City aren't big markets,
but there's still enough buzz about it that place is electric.

Speaker 3 (03:20):
Uh, We're okay see plays if you've been to a home.

Speaker 4 (03:22):
Game, if you watched it, if you watched it even
doing a regular season, like they get it going. It's loud,
it's fast if you wanna lean into that. So maybe
more open mics. Uh so you can capture some of
the live sound.

Speaker 3 (03:33):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (03:33):
That could kind of enhance the experience in terms of
the the labeling and the stuff on the floor.

Speaker 3 (03:38):
I I I never really cared about like all of like.

Speaker 4 (03:41):
The final stuff splashed uh all on the floor. But
I do think you can make it special with some
of the stuff, whether it's the intros and those things.
I think what you want is you want the fan
to feel like there is something different than a regular
season game.

Speaker 3 (03:56):
Right And even though you can.

Speaker 4 (03:57):
Say, a these are the finals, it has to feel
big for everyone to understand what's the stake.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
This is their big event, this is their game, this
is their super Bowl, you know. And again you mentioned
small markets. When you turn the TV on, you have
no idea. You don't know this Oklahoma City or LA
or ever. You know, Olklahoma City was wonderful. They have
all those fans in there wearing those white T shirts.
It was unbelievable. They were packed. It was great. I mean,
so the vibe in Oklahoma City to me is just
as good as New York, Indianapolis, or LA. So you know,

(04:28):
the market sized market side, I don't care about that,
but I did say that, how important does this win?
Look the Pacers win the first game before Oklahoma City,
I gotta believe this series. I'm winning this series as
a must Why is that? Look what they did the
last three years, sixty eight wins this year, fifty seven
wins the year before, and then forty So coming along,
they're developing into a team. They lose this series, they'll

(04:49):
be just another also ran team. They need to win
the title this year otherwise I gotta believe it's a bust,
big time bus for them.

Speaker 3 (04:58):
And now I would never go to the bus.

Speaker 4 (04:59):
I think they want to win it because it's there
to be one and you just don't know how many
opportunities you're going to get to win the finals. You
can't just run it back and say, oh man, we'll
get them next year. When you have the opportunity, you
have to cash out. You have to make sure that
you do what's needed to be done to get the
DUBT to not only secure it, for the secure of

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the championship. So you got to play that with a
heightened urgency. You got to bring the intensity and do
those things. But I wouldn't consider the season of us
they made it to the finals like what you would
really like to do. If you're building a team, you
just always want to be in the conversation as a
title contender. You just always want to be in the

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mix to be a title contender, whether that's always making
the conference semis, the finals, or whatever. You just want
to always be considered one of those teams that's always there,
and if you've done that, then you've done a great
job of team building and that stuff, because the reality
of it is, you can have the best team, but
it takes some luck, it takes some fate, it takes

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all of the things to.

Speaker 3 (06:03):
Align for you to be able to walk away to champion.

Speaker 4 (06:06):
And so I think it's been a very successful year
for Okay, see, regardless.

Speaker 3 (06:10):
Of whether they wanted or not.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
Okay, I hear what you're saying. I'm listening.

Speaker 3 (06:14):
I'm listening.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
I don't totally agree, but I hear what you're saying,
and you make a lot of sense. It does take luck,
lack of injuries and things like that. But I will
say this, people are calling them a super team. I
can't go that far. I can't do that, and I'll
tell you why. Sixty eight wins is a hell of
a season. However, is it because they're that good or
maybe the league is not that strong? I mean that's
a possibility to now right. I mean, there's only about

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a handful of really strong teams, and the season started,
you kind of knew on one hand what teams would
probably go to distance. Boston was a disappointment, but that
had some injuries. I think that Detroit was a surprise,
but they didn't do much. They got bounced out early on.
But other than that, you know, you look at the
power teams. You know, you don't think that Memphis was
going to do anything and Philadelphia wasn't going to do anything.

(06:58):
So you had these teams that basically you knew going
into the season they would be competitive. I think Indianna
is a bit of a surprise. So was the league
that strong? Was it maybe Oklahoma City stronger than the
weaker league lenks in the league. I don't know. I mean,
you tell me, I would say that.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
Look, I think the league is always strong. I think
the East is.

Speaker 4 (07:22):
Notably weaker than the talent brokers in the West, but
it's still pretty strong. Okay, se had the best record
in basketball, and they did it on the tougher.

Speaker 3 (07:32):
Side of the NBA. When we were talking about the West.

Speaker 4 (07:35):
They were able to knock it out control of the
Disney but dominating that part of it.

Speaker 3 (07:39):
They deserve their flowers for doing that.

Speaker 4 (07:41):
The air team that's nine deep and thinking about all
the numbers, the competitiveness, the defense, the offense, the efficiency,
SCA wins the MVP.

Speaker 3 (07:50):
When I think superpower.

Speaker 4 (07:52):
I think of teams that have been assembled through free
agency to create the Big three or whatever.

Speaker 3 (07:57):
To me, okay, see, it was a little more like
a homegrown.

Speaker 4 (08:03):
Franchise, mom and pop type organization that has found a
way to identify the right players for their team, and
then they've been shrewd enough to make the moves for
unherded players who could have big impact for their squad.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
All right, media people right now, and they're watching the game,
and Halla Burton again goes that winning shot. They win
in the two point three seconds in the game the
other night, win eleven, win ten. And I'm hearing now,
I'm media accounts and talk radio that Halla Burton's a superstar.
You know, I hear that. I cringe. I laughed. So
I ask you, you played the game, you played with

(08:43):
guys in the National Football League that perhaps were considered superstars.
I got to ask you now, A, is he a superstar?
And more than that, B what the hell is a superstar?
I no longer know what a superstar is. I think
Lebron James is a superstar. I can't consider Halla Barton
in the same league as Lebron James. You can't say

(09:05):
him in the same breath. I think this body of
work has been great thus far, but I don't think
he's a superstar. So tell me what's a superstar. Who's
a superstar?

Speaker 4 (09:15):
I would still a superstar, would be a trans sendent, talent,
a generational talent, as we'd like to say, someone that
is irreplaceable in the landscape of the top ten. So
the superstars to me would be Iannis Joker. I'm saying,

(09:37):
like Lebron still has superstar power. Steph Curry still is
a superstar. They're only a handful of them, the elite
of the elites, and they're able to do it in
a way.

Speaker 3 (09:47):
So, for instance, for me, I wouldn't consider Joel.

Speaker 4 (09:50):
And b to be a superstar even though he's won
an MVP, Like, there's still something lacking in terms of
the pop the buzz though, whatever, because the superstar not
only kind of like pertains to what you do between
the lines, but it's also the other stuff like pop
sensations to pop culture stuff like how people feel about you.

(10:11):
Tyre's Halliburton to me falls into the star category. He
he's a star because he plays his best in the clutch.
He has those moments he walks it like he talks
at all that other stuff. He has flashed some of
that stuff, particularly after he threw up the choke sign
against New York that kind of put him on the

(10:34):
verge of potentially being a star. If he's able to
cap this off and win Finals MVP. Going into next season,
there'll be more conversation about him being potentially a superstar.

Speaker 3 (10:43):
But right now he's not that.

Speaker 4 (10:45):
But he certainly is a baller and he's coming on
like gangbusters, and people are going to have to give
him respect after at the beginning of the postseason calling
him the most overrated player in the NBA in a
poll by players.

Speaker 3 (10:58):
That is crazy talk.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
I know it's crazy talking. Now to me, I make
it simple. What is a superstar. Superstar is an individual
who would carry a team all right, to some extent,
you know, Halli Burton has those qualities, but he needs
help because we've see that. And number two, they gotta
have box office appeal, all right, That's what it's all about.
And maybe sometimes in the market that you play in

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helps you become a superstar. Although I would say this,
I'm a Knicks fan, I don't think Jalen Brunson. As
good as he is, I don't think he's a superstar.
I think he gets above and beyond his notoriety because
he does play in New York. I think if he
played the way he did, they play in Dallas, and
I don't think he got the credit that he did
in Dallas. Is he is in New York still because

(11:42):
he's on that biggest stage in New York.

Speaker 3 (11:45):
Yeah, he's a star now. I would say.

Speaker 4 (11:49):
The reason he's getting close to being a superstar is
the stage matters.

Speaker 3 (11:53):
The things in New York matter.

Speaker 4 (11:55):
All eyes are there, so you may see him good
or bad more than any else because of the big marketplace.

Speaker 3 (12:03):
In New York is.

Speaker 4 (12:05):
But man, he's definitely close to infringing upon that territory
because his shot making, his big playability, he has it all.
Didn't show it consistently in the finals, but we've certainly
seen it enough over the last two years to give
him his flowers as a button star.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
There's no doubt about that now. Also, I'm hearing that
the Halliburton situation. I know that he won the game
the other night, but you know, if you're really and
truly are a student of the game, and I consider
himself somewhat of a student of the game. One of
my was a high school manager of the basketball team,
and I followed basketball. Big deal, right, But I followed
the game. I think the star of the game was
not so much Halliburton that made the shot. I think

(12:41):
it was coach at Carlisle. I think this guy is
one hell of a coach. And again, he's never been
on a tremendous stage to get the credit he deserves.
But he did win in Miami when he had the
Miami Heat, There's no doubt about that. But in Game one,
forcing home Grim and Dort and Caruso to take four
three shots at the end of the game, it was
a genius matchup that he did. And I don't think

(13:02):
I don't think Carlisle gets the credit he deserves. I
think he's one hell of a coach. I really do.
Wherever he's gone, he's won.

Speaker 3 (13:11):
Yeah. I think he's a great coach.

Speaker 4 (13:12):
And the reason why I would point him being a
great coach because great coaches are adaptable. They can adapt
their exes and o's who accommodate the strengths and the
weaknesses of the players that they have.

Speaker 3 (13:24):
Whether they inherit them or signed them. They're able to
take that and make it work.

Speaker 4 (13:28):
When I look at Carlisle, the reason Carlisle has been
so impressive to me is this is a guy who
was a defensive juggernaut in terms of stalwart in terms
of what he believed and how he built the team.
He did it in Detroit, he didn't Indiana previously. He's
continued to do it Dallas. Wherever he does, he builds
it around the defense. Well, in this team last year
he flipped it and they started using more up and down,

(13:51):
more motion type offense and then defensively picking people up
ninety four feet, which was always viewed as a no no.
Rick Carlile's adaptability has made them special and has put
them in their category. Have been all time great when
it's all sit and done.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
No doubt about that. Now, now here's the situation. I
mean his team, like I never say die team. I
don't know if that's the coaching, I don't know if
it's the players. I know they'd give one hundred percent.
I hate to use that term, but they just don't die.
They were down fifteen points, they were down like nine
points with two and a half minutes to go, the
other night against Oklahoma City. But look what they've done
this year, and I looked this up. April twenty ninth,

(14:25):
they trailed Milwaukee, won eighteen one eleven with thirty four
seconds to go. They won the game one nineteen, win
eighteen in overtime. May the sixth, they trailed Cleveland one
nineteen one twelve with forty eight seconds to go. They
won one twenty one to nineteen. Halliburton got the winning
game shot. Then, with one point one seconds to play.
May twenty first, Indiana trail the Knicks one twenty one,

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one twelve with fifty one point one seconds left to go,
haller Burton sent in in the overtime of the GYMP
shot with no time on the clock. Indiana wins one
thirty eight one to thirty five. Is it luck? Do
they play it that way? Do they know? Is it
a confidence building? How does that happen? Once? I could see,
but they have it three times and again happened the
other night. It's uncanny, It really is.

Speaker 3 (15:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (15:07):
When I think about their ability to close it out
and come back, it's the relentlessness is to come, the
competitiveness is then never say die, attitude, all of that
stuff that Rick Carlisle talks about. But then I would
say it's the clutch ability of their best players in
those moments. You know, whether it's Miles Turner banking into
three or Haliburton hitting the game winner, Pascal Siakam coming

(15:32):
through when they need it. Look, this is a very
talented team. Despite what we kind of look at them
as the little engine that could. They can get it done.
They played nine to ten people in their rotation.

Speaker 3 (15:44):
They get after it.

Speaker 4 (15:45):
TJ O'Connell picks people up from the time they step
onto the court. All of that, and look they had
these lulls, these low moments. They made us completely jump
off the bandwagon. Man, when you see them player the best,
it's hard, sorry not to like how they get down.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
There's no doubt about that.

Speaker 5 (16:03):
You know.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
There's a thing that you mentioned early on the luck,
the luck factor, I mean, is it luck is the
way they are. I will say this, I remember and
you probably remember this as well. Back in the couple
of years ago, maybe more than five ten years ago,
I don't remember, when the New York Knicks had a
kid but named Jeremy Lynn, a Japanese play an Asian player.
Remember they went crazy. They were crazy in New York

(16:25):
and I'm thinking, like anywhere else it wouldn't have been
that big of a deal. But it was Lynn Mania
they called it in New York when he played for
the Knicks. I think if halla Burton played in New
York would be a similar situation. I mean, it was
Lynn sanity. I remember that it was Alyn sanity situation,
and you know it was short lived. He did well.
People want nuts. It was a big deal at the time,

(16:45):
and they went crazy. I think that if a guy
like haller Burton played in New York, they would go
bananas there. They really would.

Speaker 3 (16:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (16:53):
I mean, like one of the advantages of playing in
the small market is just the love that you received
from the community.

Speaker 3 (16:58):
The community really them up.

Speaker 4 (17:00):
And having played in Buffalo and then I played in
Green Bay, two small market teams and day man, they
really come out and show you support of your squad.

Speaker 3 (17:10):
They love you, they elevate you, they do all those things.

Speaker 4 (17:13):
And so part of the reason why Hallett, Tarese, Halliburton
and some of the other paces can act out like
they do because they know they have this unconditional love
and support other people in their fan base and it's
only going to continue because the morn they win, the
more people that are going to hate out of you down.

Speaker 3 (17:29):
But the way that you have to do it now
is the way that Indiana's modeling the behavior.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
Who do you like?

Speaker 3 (17:35):
Now?

Speaker 2 (17:35):
Who do you like? To win this series? Everybody was
saying that's going to be Oklahoma City in four. I mean,
I think Indiana definitely has a chance. I want to
see Indiana win, you know, so I'm speaking with my
heart and novel on my head. You know, this is
a big game. I mean, it's a big game today.
If Indiana could take two in Oklahoma City to the
second ones tonight, that'll be huge and go back to
Indianapolis to zip. But I don't know. I mean again,

(17:59):
they dad like fifteen fifteen turnovers at halftime, Indiana wing
how poorly Oklahoma City played, you know, and they still
were enranged to win that game. Tells me that they're
not dead by a long shot.

Speaker 3 (18:12):
No, no, I did.

Speaker 4 (18:13):
I'm gonna go with okay See to win it because
I think the better team. But the better team has
to play better if they're going to be.

Speaker 3 (18:20):
Able to pull it off, and they didn't.

Speaker 4 (18:22):
They had a million turnovers today forced that should have
been easy buckets ten, twelve, fourteen points.

Speaker 3 (18:28):
But if you don't cash in on those things, that's
on you.

Speaker 4 (18:31):
And I'll say this, more games are lost than one
and from a competitors standpoint, you had to control the
things that you can control, which is your part of
the equation. Look, man, this is a fascinating decenties to
watch I can't wait to see what it looks like
today because okayse has been here before. They also Denver

(18:51):
one up on a heartbreaker, but came back to finish
up the way they need to finish up. Just to
be a test to reveal their championship. DNA will see
if they can finish it off.

Speaker 2 (19:01):
Yeah, I want to follow up you talking about playing
in small markets. I don't think it's not a fair comparison.
I don't think in the NFL to the NBA. I
think you said Buffalo and Green Bay. I think that
market size is almost a no no in the NFL.
I mean, I don't think it makes that much of
a difference. The only thing I could see, and obviously
I never played the game, and you did. If you
played for the Indian and Indiana Pacers and you're walking

(19:23):
down the street down to Indianapolis, there's a real good
chance people gonna recognize who you are. If you play
for the New York Knicks or even the Yankees maybe
and you walk down Midtown Manhattan, there's a pretty good
chance they may not know who you are. That's the difference.
I think maybe I'm wrong on that. But when you
walk down the street in Green Bay, everybody knew who
Bucky Brooks was.

Speaker 4 (19:42):
You played for the Packers, Yeah, everyone knows whether you're
playing on the active roster, in active roster, practice squad man.
They know, they have the research out, they've gone through
the media. Guys, they know more about you than you
can ever imagine. So yeah, I think that is a
very accurate statement. I think guys have to understand that
when they jump in, uh yeah, everyone knows you kind of.

(20:05):
These people really really know you want to lean on
them more so than the outside critics.

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We're gonna tell you why one NBA coach was kick
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Speaker 2 (21:13):
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But the big news, I guess earlier in the week

(21:55):
are shocking news in the NBA with Tom Thibodeau after
five years, was shown the door as coach of the
New York Knicks, taking at the Eastern Finals for the
first time in twenty five years. How shocking is that.
I'm sure you've seen things like that playing in the
National Football League. And you know what does that do
to the morale of a ball club. Bes I'm sure

(22:16):
a lot of these guys liked him and were used
to him, and now his change.

Speaker 4 (22:23):
Shocked, really shocked, because you led a team that no
one really regarded as like one of those teams the
title contender to the conference finals and look, man, you're
a few lucky breaks away from being a team that
participates in the finals.

Speaker 3 (22:37):
Didn't go their way, so you're on the outside looking in.

Speaker 4 (22:40):
But Tom Thibodeau, man, I saw playoff appearances in four
the last five years, back to back fifty win seasons, first.

Speaker 3 (22:46):
Time they've done this since the nineties.

Speaker 4 (22:48):
The team is relevant, the gardener is alive, the buzz
is always there. But here's what happens, and it's unfortunate
for Tom Thibodeau. Sometimes the worst thing that can happen
is when you're bogged down by expectations going into the
conference finals. Because the media world, because everyone was sleeping
on or slept on the Indianapolis Pacers.

Speaker 3 (23:11):
Many believed that the Knicks We're going to waltz into
the finals.

Speaker 4 (23:14):
And when that didn't happen, you begin to look for
answers for why this team lost or they didn't win,
or however you want to phrase it. And I'll say this,
Tom Thibadeau got the backlash because people were worried and
they talked about the minus rotations early in the regular season,
which doesn't guarantee that those guys were going to be
able to play at a high level or play poorly

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in the.

Speaker 3 (23:38):
Postseason.

Speaker 4 (23:40):
But I noticed that the next team, they play so much,
but they don't have a lot of injuries. They kind
of play through those things. They have a level of
toughness that they displayed because he's been on them, and
this is a team that most teams don't like to
face because how rugged and rough they are.

Speaker 3 (23:55):
I thought he did a great job. I thought he
got on the short end of the stick.

Speaker 4 (23:59):
And it's gonna be hard for it to find a
much better coach than the one that they let go
in Tom Tibadeau.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
I certainly agree with that, and rather than kind of
tugg on who may be coaching what happened. It's great
to have you here because you played the game. And
obviously I don't want to make a comparison in the
NFL and the NBA, but have you been on a
ball club that a coach was let go, and what
is the reaction to players, Because I'm sure some players
in that locker room say, wow, I love this guy.

(24:25):
He took care of me. And some of the other
players happy to see him go because maybe they felt
they weren't given a chance with that coach, and with
a new guy coming in, they get a clean slate.

Speaker 4 (24:37):
I've been on struggling teams and you know that the
coach is in danger, and the thing that you worry
about is like, okay with the devil that you know
right when you have the current coaching staff.

Speaker 3 (24:49):
You've learned the things that you have to navigate to
be around.

Speaker 4 (24:53):
When you're bringing a new coaching staff who's unrelated to
you or whatever, it can be scary unless is really
a Mary Bays, a merit based situation where they respect
your work, ethic and character and all that, and they're
going to give you the chance because you've earned a chance.
You know, it's a scary deal. The morale is low,
people don't truly believe and all of the anonymous sources

(25:17):
come out and discuss why the team was dysfunctional, et cetera,
et cetera.

Speaker 3 (25:22):
A lot of it is really part of the process.
But man, the process sucks.

Speaker 2 (25:26):
Sometimes, no doubt about that. You know one of the
media reports and obviously you say, you can't believe. I
don't believe this. One said one of them media reports
that Tibeau was let go because of the way he
used Jalen Brunson and has failed to make adjustments. Okay,
Jalen have gone through the roof on the Tiberdeau.

Speaker 4 (25:46):
So here's the thing that really makes me mad about
him not making adjustments or the people on the outside
seeing he didn't make adjustments. You think a coach who's
been in the league as long as time Thibodeau has
been in the league, who has earned the respect of
his peers in the league as a strategist, a tactician,
particularly on defense, for us to say that, oh, he

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didn't make any adjustments, it's disrespectful to him. Now I
can say, like, maybe those adjustments didn't work. It took
him a while to find the right code to unlock
the code in the formula, But in most situations he's
always found a way to give his team a chance
to win, not that they win, but a chance to win.
To me, all of this is like just a disrespectful

(26:28):
campaign to smear someone who's a really.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
Good coach, no doubt about that. Now as far as
Jalen Bruns is concerned, he averaged twenty six points a game,
seven assists of games, and over eighteen postseason games, he
averaged thirty seven minutes on with thirty eight minutes of games.
And then again one of the I guess media reports
say that he used these guys to such an extent,
didn't rest them enough, he didn't have the rotation roll,

(26:50):
and come on, you know, the bottom line is winning,
and he won. I mean, he took the heat to
heights that they never dreamt to go to. But now
they talk about, you know, new coaches, okay, and the
first thing they said was Rick Patino. Rick Patino said immediately,
I'm not coaching. I'm not coaching in the NBA. He
coached the Knicks before, and then they had the former
coach Jay Wright at Villanova. He'd be out of his

(27:11):
mind to come back, so he said no. But now
they're corners. They're trying to get permission to get the
coach who is a Jason Kidd, who of death and
the reason being and this, I mean, you got to
put two and two together. Jason Kidd coached Giannis in
Milwaukee with the Bucks. I think the Knicks would love
to get Yannis. Giannis would love to get out of Milwaukee.

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So you figure, if you hire Jason Kidd, there's a
real good opportunity. Maybe they could lure Jannis to come
to play for the Knicks.

Speaker 3 (27:40):
I mean, New York is the.

Speaker 4 (27:43):
Illusional, Like just just what we think about when it
comes to New York and how New York is like, oh,
everyone wants to come and play on that major stage.
When they just give you a sign of organizational instability
because they fired a coach who was a really good coach,
who was very well respected and liked in those things.

Speaker 3 (28:03):
To me, that is bananas to think about.

Speaker 4 (28:06):
What I will say is this when it comes to
the next and the guys that they're they're entertaining right
because Jason Kidd was one, I mean Udoka from Houston
is another U and then they throw out some superstar candidates.

Speaker 3 (28:20):
This job is a hard job. Because Tom Thibodeau is.

Speaker 4 (28:24):
Look man, he will be appreciated more for the job
that he's done starting next year because they'd be oh,
maybe we weren't really as good as we thought when
we put all those expectations on him. But I think
the thing the coach that they find, the one that
they end up going with and believing he better understand

(28:45):
Nick's culture, Nick's history, the fan base, the fandom, all
that other stuff, like how they get down because this
is a very difficult job because they're more critics now
than ever.

Speaker 3 (28:57):
And if you don't have thick skin in New York,
you have no shot.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
You know you shot, you're right, And you mentioned something
very interesting. I want to play on that for a second.
You talk about this stage of coming to let many
players think they want to play in that big stage.
You know, maybe it would help you As far as endorsements,
I don't know, but I will tell you this much.
If I'm a player, I think I'd rather play in
the hindelands. I think I'd rather play in Indianapolis, Milwaukee,

(29:24):
smaller markets, maybe Utah. Because all I know is this.
If you pick up some of those tabloids in New
York City, they're writing about everything, but the way you
play basketball, where you live, where you go at night,
who you date, you know, what restaurant you're at. I
don't need that I don't want that, you know, Indianapolis.
You know, I pick up the Indianapolis Star newspaper every
now and again. I don't read that social stuff about athletes.

Speaker 3 (29:46):
You know.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
I'm not saying that it's not interesting, but if I'm
the athlete, I don't want them writing about me about that. Really,
I don't.

Speaker 3 (29:54):
Yeah, I mean, look, it's not ideal.

Speaker 4 (29:58):
Is that a ideal situation when we think of it?
But look, okay, So for all the negatives that I
put out there about New York in the main stage,
there's nothing like being the leader of a blue blood franchise,
being the leader of a team that has a lot
of pride and tradition in those things. And we can

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talk about the nixt tradition and how they haveone I
tied us sister early seventies, but there is something that comes.

Speaker 3 (30:26):
Along with when the Knicks roll out.

Speaker 4 (30:28):
Particularly MSG, that energy is everything, and if you can
lose yourself in that and ignore the scuttle butt around
the program, it works. But let me say this about
Tom Tipbodau. And I'm gonna say this like as a
high school coach, and I will say this because what
he did I really admire despite all the barbs and

(30:50):
the criticism that came his way about the rotation, the
offensive style, that this and that Tom Thibodeau went out
doing it his way, and for him to go out
doing it his way just speaks volumes about his conviction
in his approach, his confidence in terms of the way
that he goes about doing things with his team, and

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even though it didn't work out for him in New York,
in terms of like being able to stay on to
his job. I think there are a ton of coaches,
there are a ton of basketball people that respect him
for the way that he gets down like I have
the utmost respect for him saying no, no, no, no,
this is what I believe in. I'm riding it out
instead of being a tree in the wind. It always
switches in acquiesces to the needs of people who don't

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really know what they're talking about.

Speaker 3 (31:36):
Hass off the time.

Speaker 4 (31:37):
Tibodeau, even though it didn't work out for him here,
it's certainly gonna be in. There're gonna be opportunities for
him to be another coach and instrument and orchestrate another turnaround.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
Well said, I will say this. You know, one of
the critics that we're running about Tibeau saying that Jalen
Brunson was playing twenty minutes. Jalen Brunson may have been
the only knit that stood up and spoke positively and
upset and supported Timberdau when he left. That's number one.
Number two. I give Timberdeau a lot of credit because

(32:08):
when he left, he left, and no one knows where
he's at. A lot of times these coaches have last
minute comments. They'll drop a couple of barbs and say
I shouldn't have done this. I mean sorry, No, he
was out the door, and like you haven't heard from
him since. I like that. He kept it quiet and
that's what he is, and he really he's that way
throughout the season. I mean, I've seen him on postgame interviews.

(32:28):
He doesn't say much. He's kind of like the Bill
Belichick of basketball in a sense. He really is. As
far as conferences mean.

Speaker 4 (32:35):
I mean, yeah, no, I mean I get you what
you're saying. Yeah, he hasn't said a lot, but that's
not really his demeanor or whatever.

Speaker 3 (32:43):
I do remember.

Speaker 4 (32:44):
I think when he was out for a while, maybe
in between the Minnesota and New York siting, he did
a little TV. That's not really his laying in terms
of personality.

Speaker 3 (32:53):
But what I will say is so many people love
and respect his coaching mind.

Speaker 4 (32:59):
And when you really look at this team, if you
look at this team like this team doesn't have the
look and feel of a championship team, but he made
us believe that they had that capability by how hard
they played, how they they got after it, they got
up in people's shirts and those things. A lot of
respect for him, sad, but I think he'd better things

(33:21):
on the horizon for Tom Tiberdeaux, right.

Speaker 2 (33:22):
And it hurt me because the team ended on such
a high note, accomplishing that no one would think they
would do, going to the Eastern Finals. Yeah, they lost it, Okay,
I get it, but they never no one thought they'd
even get that far, and they did. And they dropped
the bomb after they went that far, you know, rather
than celebrating to say next year, I'm going to go
to the next level even further. No, they get rid

(33:44):
of him, They chop his head off. I thought it
was crazy, I really do. So we'll see what happens.
I feel bad. I always liked Tom Thibodeau when he
was coaching Chicago. I always thought he was a defensive guy,
a good defensive coach and a very physical coaching and
the next played that way his stuff. How difficult is
it going to be for a new coach to come
in and tell these same players to play a different style.

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That's going to be difficult on any level.

Speaker 3 (34:09):
Yeah, I.

Speaker 4 (34:11):
It will be difficult, but it doesn't mean it's impossible.
And here's what happens. Right, So the NBA is a
copycat league, just like all these other sports. People are
now looking at okay see, but really Indiana and looking
at their style of play and how it's disruptive. So
what Indiana is doing, ironically, it's funny you brought up
Rick Patino early. Indiana's doing what Rick Portino wanted to

(34:35):
do way back in the day with Mark Jackson Patrick
Ewing when he was pressing all the time and picking
people up almost for court and people say, you can't
do that for a full season because you'll wear the
players out. But here we are in the finals and
I'm looking at the Indiana paces do that, picking up people,
challenging every dribble to force.

Speaker 3 (34:56):
People out of their rhythm.

Speaker 4 (34:59):
Because remember in the na A twenty four second shot,
Like you have eight seconds to get it over to court.
If you play them right, man, You've now cut down
the time so when they do get it over the court,
they only have seventeen seconds to get into their flow
of the offense, which leads to a quick shot of
bad shot. That's what the Pacers are doing. The Knicks
fan base wants them to play like that, but they've
done that before. Rick Bertino, I just don't know if

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they have the personnel to be able to get up
and down and do that, nor do they have the
defense that can sustain and support that kind of offense.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
Don't nub go all right, We'll we'll see what happens,
all right. Bucky Brooks, Andy Furman, Fox Sports Sunday, Foxpot's
ready now. Only one man, one man on God's Green Earth,
can handle this pressure. As Bucky is next. All right,
as Bucky Time right now on Fox Sports Radio, and
it's about ten minutes before the top of the hour.
He's Bucky Brooks and Andy Fermore Alive from the Fox

(35:52):
Sports Radio studios and today Brianna taking away for as Bucky.

Speaker 7 (35:57):
Alrighty guys, so Mr specifically Bucky.

Speaker 8 (36:00):
For your first question, do you see Shador Sanders eventually
becoming a starting quarterback for the Browns this season?

Speaker 7 (36:05):
And if so, why, yeah.

Speaker 4 (36:09):
Look, I think he'll eventually have an opportunity to start.
I don't think it'd be in the first half of
the season, but we've seen every year man most teams
end up playing two, sometimes three quarterbacks. When you look
at this situation where it's Joe Flack, O'kinny Pickett, even
Dylan Gabriel, it just.

Speaker 3 (36:23):
Appears that he is going to get a chance.

Speaker 4 (36:26):
And OCA workouts don't mean anything at this juncture, but
he certainly hasn't looked out.

Speaker 3 (36:30):
Of place regardless of the situation.

Speaker 4 (36:32):
He's being able to kind of show that he can
flash a little bit of the ability that made some
of us, including me, view him as a first round pick.
I think you'll get his chance, but I think it'd
be a slow cook.

Speaker 3 (36:41):
It won't be a fast thing.

Speaker 4 (36:42):
And I think it'd be after eight or nine games,
maybe ten or twelve games before.

Speaker 3 (36:47):
He gets a shot.

Speaker 8 (36:48):
All righty, So your first pick if you were a
basketball GM and you had a choice between Sga or
Tyrese Haliburn, who would you choose and who would be
your coach.

Speaker 4 (37:01):
I would still pick SGA because SGA is the MVP
candidate and he's a bucket getter.

Speaker 3 (37:06):
He can get it a few different ways in terms
of coaching.

Speaker 4 (37:11):
I'm not gonna lie like I'm partial to Eric, just
partial to spro Yes, s Postra, Yeah, I'm partial to him.
I think he's so good at what he does that
I would lean towards him being the coach of any
squad that I have.

Speaker 8 (37:24):
Alrighty, So Derek Carr left thirty million dollars on the
table when he retired from the NFL.

Speaker 7 (37:30):
Does he make a return in the future and come back.

Speaker 3 (37:34):
No, it's over.

Speaker 4 (37:35):
But I wouldn't have left the thirty million dollars on
the table. I would not have left to thirty million
dollars on the table.

Speaker 3 (37:40):
But I give hi.

Speaker 4 (37:43):
Nah for being a man of integrity and knowing that
he can't do it. But look the injury that he suffered,
he was gonna have a tough time coming back from.

Speaker 3 (37:50):
I respect him. I respect him going out.

Speaker 4 (37:52):
Leaving him money on the table, taking the partying gift
from the Saints, which is about ten million dollars. But
the last time I was in math class, thirty means
a lot more than ten million. I would have got
my thirty million dollars before I walked out.

Speaker 7 (38:04):
As a Saints fan. I was pretty happy that he's gone.

Speaker 3 (38:08):
So wow, no love.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
You know what, we don't need any editorial comments a question.

Speaker 8 (38:18):
Russell Wilson came out speaking about leadership within the locker
room this week, and Joe Flacco also made some huge
comments last week about being a mentor. Who do you
think is going to make a bigger impact on the
younger players this season?

Speaker 3 (38:31):
Lucky, I would say the bigger impact would be Russell Wilson.

Speaker 4 (38:35):
We can say a bunch of different things about Russell Wilson,
and for some reason, people don't like Russell Wilson, even
though really he's been a model citizen when it comes
to quarterback play, the way he operates.

Speaker 3 (38:46):
In those things.

Speaker 4 (38:47):
I think for Jackson Dart, the young players to be
able to see a professional and how he works in
New York. Look, I think it's going to be impactful.
I don't know how many games they'll win, but defensively
they should be good enough to keep scores tight, and
he still is good enough for them to win if
everything is.

Speaker 3 (39:02):
Right around him. I think he'll have a great impact.

Speaker 4 (39:05):
He'll set the table and set the tone for Jackson
Dart to go on and have a solid career in
New York.

Speaker 8 (39:10):
All right, so you guys are talking about superstars and sports.
Can you name one in the NFL, the NBA, and
the MLB and state your case with whatever time?

Speaker 3 (39:19):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (39:19):
I mean, okay, show here. Tani is easy in baseball,
two way star that can do anything.

Speaker 3 (39:25):
H NBA.

Speaker 4 (39:26):
I think Giannis is a superstar, just how he's come up,
how he dominates the game, has done it in a
small market, and then in the NFL that's a little harder.
But I would say justin Jefferson being a star, just
the way he captivates you. Not only would his dominant performance,
but the flair for the dramatic awesome.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
See we did it. How do you like that?

Speaker 3 (39:45):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (39:46):
It's okay? What do you think Bush?

Speaker 3 (39:50):
Really? Really good job, really good job. I did it.

Speaker 2 (39:53):
Thank you, good job, thank you very much. Good job
for the first time. Not bad at all. All Right,
now you could call them the Magnificent seven. And Bucky
Brooks has him more on Fox Sports Sunday coming up
here next.

Speaker 1 (40:06):
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Speaker 2 (40:09):
Okay, they're between good and bad, young and old, and
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This is Fox Sports Sunday and Fox Sports Radio. He's
Bucky Brooks. I'm Andy Furman.

Speaker 5 (40:21):
You know what.

Speaker 2 (40:21):
We're broadcasting live from the Fox Sports Radio studios. And
of course he's the man, the one, the only. He
played football in the NFL, he played football in college.
He writes for NFL dot Com. He's on TV, he's
on radio, he's all over the place. He's and he's
a scout in the National Football League working for Jacksonville.
He does it all, and he spends time with you
on Sundays right here on Fox Sports Radio. He's Bucky Brooks. Hello, Buck,

(40:44):
how are you man?

Speaker 3 (40:45):
I'm great, man, can't complain life is good. How are you?

Speaker 2 (40:48):
I'm doing great. But I wanted to set you up
like that, make you feel good, because I got an
issue with you right now. We talked about the Pacers
and tyres HELLI Burton and saying that he's a superstar.
Not we did, but others in the media have said
he's a superstar. And I heard Brionna asking you questions
and ask Bucky about the superstars and sports, all right,
and you mentioned baseball, And I don't understand why Aaron

(41:12):
Judge does not get the accolades that he deserves. I
think he's a superstar, I really do.

Speaker 5 (41:17):
I know.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
I know you want with the Dodgers. I know you
want with the Dodgers. You're a Dodger guy. But I
can't believe that Aaron Judge, playing on that big stage
in New York does not get the accolades that he deserves.
He wants by three ninety seven. He is a superstar, period.
Don't you agree on that?

Speaker 3 (41:36):
I mean, yeah, he is.

Speaker 4 (41:38):
But I think the reason why he doesn't get it,
I think party being a superstar is the pizzazz or
the flair that also surrounds your game, Like he has
home runs and does his thing, but I don't think
there's anything exciting about like his approach or how he.

Speaker 2 (41:56):
Plays boring a little bit. You're right, he's boring, yeah.

Speaker 4 (41:59):
I mean so whereas with show, Hey, you know you
talk about just a flair, like even when he was
hitting the leadoff home runs. A couple of weeks ago,
he had back to back leadoff home runs for the
Dodgers it's.

Speaker 3 (42:12):
Just the way in which he's able to do it,
and then.

Speaker 4 (42:14):
For him as he's making his way back to the
pitching mound to be able to kind of close it
out and do things in that regard, like there has
to be like almost like this competitive arrogance that a
superstar displays that either makes you love him or hate him,
but it always makes you want to tune in.

Speaker 3 (42:32):
I don't think you get.

Speaker 4 (42:33):
I don't think Aaron Judge stirs any emotional feelings either way.
Whenever you watch him play, you're like, Okay, Aaron jebs
at the bat, all right, that's cool.

Speaker 3 (42:43):
You know, like nothing right where it's like musty TV.

Speaker 2 (42:46):
But in that vein when you picked Justin Jefferson in
the NFL and Giannis in the NBA, it's the same
with those guys. I don't think they do anything for
me as well. I mean the only time we heard
Giannis say anything is when basically how Burton went to
Hay with him and he was a gentleman. He walked away,
Remember he kind of challenged him and then he was
kind of upset that it didn't go deep into playoffs.

Speaker 4 (43:08):
Yeah no, but I think it's more not what they
say verbally, but I think it's the way that they
played their game speaks. So when you look at Justin
Jefferson and just think about the craze that was created
when he came in doing the gritty and doing a
dance in the end zone, and how the little kids
and everyone kind of followed suit. For Giannis, I think
it's the flair seeing someone his size whatever he's listed

(43:30):
at six' nine sixteen going in the end being able
to dunk and punish.

Speaker 3 (43:34):
People the way that he.

Speaker 4 (43:35):
DOES i think your game has to have like a little,
pizzazz a little pop to really be considered a.

Speaker 3 (43:41):
Superstar there are a lot of great, players.

Speaker 4 (43:44):
You, know for, instance you're in the, City Trey hendrickson
is a great, player BUT i don't know if people
would call him a superstar because he, doesn't you, know
he doesn't kind of move the.

Speaker 3 (43:53):
Needle you have to be able to move the needle with.

Speaker 4 (43:56):
Your, game and that's part of WHAT i believe the
equation is when it comes to.

Speaker 2 (44:01):
Superstar, well in, FOOTBALL i think there's a good chance
that a superstar is going to be on the offensive
side of the, ball just just the way it, is
AND i think. THAT i was surprised you didn't mention
That kelsey And mahomes as far as, SUPERSTARS.

Speaker 4 (44:14):
I, mean, LIKE i, mean, LOOK i think and those
guys like KE i would Say Pat mahomes is more
of a superstar than.

Speaker 5 (44:22):
THAT i.

Speaker 4 (44:22):
Think kelsey has certainly been a great, player A hall
Of fame. Player some of his recent superstar is attached
to his, partner his significant, Other Taylor, script has brought
a different level of limelight to. HIM i would, say
when you think about the, superstars, man there has to

(44:43):
be something about their game.

Speaker 3 (44:45):
That captivates the.

Speaker 4 (44:46):
Imagination Lamar, Jackson Josh, allen they have superstar qualities because
of the way that they, play the way that they do.
IT i would, say going all the way back To
Tom brady being a, superstar Tom brady's was less about
his game and more ABOUT i would call it The
Joe Montana Roger starbreck. Effect you always tune in because

(45:06):
you felt, like, man they're never gonna, lose you, know
they they give off this feeling that they're never gonna,
Lose they're always gonna come through in the.

Speaker 3 (45:14):
Clutch it has to have some of this not invincibility.

Speaker 4 (45:20):
About, them but there's a there's a, flare there's a
there's an air against there's a competitive thing that you
can just sense that makes you either love him or hate.

Speaker 3 (45:28):
Him but, regardless you always tune.

Speaker 2 (45:30):
In let me throw two more names at, you then
we'll roll on, here Uh barkley And Steph.

Speaker 3 (45:36):
Curry all, Right, STEPH i mean Chef. Steph steph for.

Speaker 4 (45:40):
Sure uhu has certainly got back into that mix because
remember at the end of His giants, tenure like he
kind of faded a little.

Speaker 3 (45:47):
Bit the big plays weren't. There but what he did
last year certainly put him in that superstardom.

Speaker 4 (45:53):
Deal but but think about because you use The Saquon barkley,
example remember that jump that he, did the backwards hurdle
over the player Against. Jacksonville WHEN i talk about, flair
those things, resonate you, Know and so that's gonna be
the cover Of, madden him jumping backwards over A jaguars.

(46:16):
Defender but seeing that first, hand it's like a wow, moment,
like oh my, GOD i can't believe he did it
because you don't see. That that's not an everyday move
that you see people. Do so that's part of the
stuff that they have to. Have so, YEAH i think
that's part of.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
It you, know it's. FUNNY i, mean as we're gonna
close this little chat out in a. Minute WHEN i
think about, superstars you, know and that term is thrown
out so loosely by some media people in The National
Football league maybe on one, hand maybe that many and THE.
Nba you Threw giannis out there And, steph you, know
you didn't Put Kevin durant out, there and really and

(46:52):
truly there aren't that many that that's a term that
should be really respected when you throw it on someone's.
Name AND i think people throw it out there just like.
Loosely AND i don't Think halliburton's a superstar yet yet
he could. Be he's a star not a. Superstar there's a.

Speaker 3 (47:11):
Difference there's a huge.

Speaker 4 (47:14):
Difference AND i would say What halliburton like and their different, levels,
Right so when we talk about superstar, MEGASTAR i mean
we talk about transcendent generational, talent meaning, man there's only
a handful of guys less than five that we should
regard as superstars in the.

Speaker 3 (47:34):
League they are the elite of the. Elites stars are.

Speaker 4 (47:38):
Different stars are the guys THAT i would consider top,
ten top fifteen at their. Position so there can be
a lot of, stars but those, megastars those. Superstars, man
you talk about the top two or three at their,
position and they're. Different they have to have a special
pizazz to them outside of just oh they're a really good.

Speaker 3 (47:57):
Player has to be more than.

Speaker 2 (47:59):
That you know what? Superstars in, fact have you played
in THE nfl as? Teammates who are your superstar?

Speaker 3 (48:05):
Teammates superstar.

Speaker 4 (48:07):
Teammates So Brett favre was a superstar because he won
three straight. MVPs WHEN i was In Green, BAY i
would consider him a. Star WHEN i was In. Buffalo
it's interesting Because Jim, Kelly Thrmer, thomas And Andre Reid
hall of, Famers Bruce, SMITH i would Say Bruce smith
was a. Superstar Jim kelly was a, star BUT i

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don't know if he was the superstar.

Speaker 3 (48:32):
That the league regarded as a.

Speaker 4 (48:34):
Superstar SO i would say of that, Quartet Bruce smith
would be the one that was probably more regarded as a. Superstar,
raiders No, Chiefs Derek thomas would be in that mix
as a. Superstar but that's kind about, it you, know
like That Reggie white In Green bay was a. Superstar not,

(48:56):
many and there shouldn't be, Many like it should be
a rarity that you played with a super. Star that's. Different,
yeah that's an exclusive. Club everyone doesn't get a, membership.

Speaker 2 (49:05):
No doubt about. That and look In cincinnati media have
been Calling elie de La cruz a. Superstar AND i
laugh WHEN i hear that he's a. Star he's got superstar.
Potential maybe he's a great play he does a lot of. Things,
well not a. SUPERSTAR i, mean you, know to use
him in the same breath as guys Like Johnny bench
who played for The reds And Pete. Rose those guys were.
Superstars ellie de La cruz put the brakes on a little.

Speaker 4 (49:27):
Bit, Please, okay tell me what you don't like About
ellie de La cruz because my son loves. Him is
he because Elevate, yeah because he hasn't elevated The reds
to that that contender.

Speaker 3 (49:42):
Thing because this game certainly has some some, flair some
of that.

Speaker 2 (49:47):
Be a superstar on a team and you don't have
to elevate the. Tea for, EXAMPLE i Thought Ernie banks
may he rest in, peace was a superstar for The
Chicago cubs and he was M vp twice back to
back years and if he finished, Last so you don't
have to elevate the team to be a, superstar and
he was a Superstar Ernie, banks AND i Loved Ernie
banks and those Old cubs. Teams, However elie de La
cruze does not have to elevate The, reds but he's

(50:08):
got to elevate. Himself AND i think to be a,
superstar you can't bat to seventy and be a. Superstar
he could run like a. Deer he's. Unbelievable he's got
a tremendous, arm he's got a great. Attitude you, know
he just lost his sister the other day and he
came back to. Play what a teammate that. Is came
back to play the next day for The Dominican so
he's a great, player not yet a. Superstar AND i

(50:28):
think a superstar to me is not a guy who
bats two. Seventy for, EXAMPLE i don't Think Bill mazeroski
is A hall Of famer for The Pittsburgh. Pirates he's
in The hall Of, fame and his lifetime average is
like in the two. SIXTIES i don't think he's A
hall Of. Famer, SORRY i. Know we hit that game
winning home run in nineteen sixty against The yankees and
that was his clank to fame and they put it
The Old Timers Veterans committee put him in The hall Of.

(50:48):
Fame don't think he deserved.

Speaker 3 (50:50):
It, okay all, RIGHT i got, it, Man and tell.

Speaker 2 (50:55):
Your SON i do love, him you. Know and you
know what this reds GAME i go. To i'll tell
him that and maybe he'll give you a little sign
thing or. Something i'll go down to the. Clubhouse, yeah
we'll do, that all. Right, now you wrote about this
IN nfl dot com the other day and you call
it SEVEN Nfl enigmas in twenty twenty. Five first of,
all what is this all? About how do you pick?

(51:16):
These and what does it? Mean what does it? Mean tell?
Me fill me.

Speaker 4 (51:19):
In so the, enigma by, definition is like something that
you just can't figure, Out like you just kind of.

Speaker 3 (51:25):
Perplexed you're.

Speaker 4 (51:26):
Confused you can't make a definitive statement one way or
the other on who the player. Is so when we
talk about, players you talk about players who have flash
greatness at various times throughout their, career but they also
haven't been able to sustain, it so they come and.
Go they're inconsistent. Superstars maybe that would be the way inconsistent.

(51:46):
Stars and so we wanted to pick seven players that
have kind of teased the imagination of, scouts but they
have also.

Speaker 3 (51:53):
Left a lot to be.

Speaker 4 (51:54):
Desired that was kind of the basis of the thing
and going into this, year guys that have a lot
riding on their performance because they have been so inconsistent
that the team will have to make decisions at the
end of the, year and how they perform will ultimately
The german which direction the team goes.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
In, okay so how do you pick these? GUYS i
mean out of a barrelough you just looked at their
stats or by, positions.

Speaker 4 (52:18):
The combination, like so you kind of go through who
are the people the teams buzzing? About, right who's the
league buzzing? About so when you pick A Kylum murray
or you talk About Kevon, thibadeau given what they just
did in the, draft getting An Abdul carter or some
of the other, Names George, pickens who has carried a
level of cachet coming From, pittsburgh you want to talk

(52:40):
about those guys because it's obvious that they're super, talented
that they have big play impact, potential but there's something
that's just lacking.

Speaker 3 (52:48):
That prevents you from jumping all in on.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
Them, okay and sometimes it's a change of coaching that
could get that out of. You. Right we saw that
In minnesota list here with their quarterback. Situation, right change of,
coach you, know could.

Speaker 3 (53:01):
Be change the, venue change a, coach it could be.

Speaker 4 (53:06):
Anything you, know it could be anything that kind of
leads you along that. Way but it's one of the
things that you that you, like that you love about,
him but you just want to see.

Speaker 3 (53:16):
More you want to see. MORE i need, more, uh
to really be convinced that they can take us to
the next.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
Level, so in other, words it's a player that maybe
not living up to his potential or the potential you
thought he would. Have let's start with tell you Mentioned
Kyler murray twenty Nineteen Offensive rookie of The. Year what's
the problem With Kyler? Murray why can't he put it all? Together?

Speaker 4 (53:36):
Uh, look, LOOK i think it's the overall, record he's
a sub five hundred. Quarterback they have one playoff appearance
and he doesn't have a playoff.

Speaker 3 (53:42):
Win he has been all those. Things he was A
rookie of The. Year he has flashed the potential to
make things.

Speaker 4 (53:50):
Happen but coming off of that knee, injury, like he
hasn't been the, same not the same in terms of
like dual, threat play, making, ability, consistency, dominance all. That
so what you want to see is someone who commanded
a big. Contract you want to see him get into
the conversation as a top five quarterback by being the
dominant player that he once was or that he teases

(54:12):
that he could be early in his. Career so Calam
murray has to go there because the team hasn't won
enough and he hasn't dominated consistently enough to be in
that superstar.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
Category, okay so let's pull the curtain back a little
bit because the fact that you played the, game you
know the answers to these. Questions we don't have to
drop names, here but you, guy you have a teammate
Like Carla murray and he gets these awards and come
out out of college who has heralded big time offensive
rookie in the, year there's got to be players in
that locker room, saying what's the deal with this? Guy

(54:42):
he's not working as. HARD i thought he was really.
GOOD i, mean there's gotta be some buzz in that
locker room about this, guy which creates somewhat of a
problem because guys, say wait a, minute you're not as
good as we thought you were going to, be, Right
doesn't that create some sort of a.

Speaker 3 (54:55):
Problem, yeah it creates a. Problem it creates a, problem
particularly when the money these.

Speaker 4 (55:00):
Exchange and so when you're paying someone forty plus million,
dollars you expect them to deliver forty million dollars worth of,
performance meaning that each and every big game they show
up and show out that you're able to lean on
them a handful of games to make these gotta have
it plays when the team is. Down that's the level
of expectation that comes with the. Compensation so if you

(55:20):
want to be regarded as a star and paid as a,
star then you got to deliver star performances when it,
matters and so there's a lot of that that comes with.

Speaker 2 (55:30):
It all, right we move, on and this guy's a
bit of a. Character George. Pickens, okay now with The Dallas,
cowboys Surprisingly pittsburgh lettingm go despite the stats that he put.
Up their thirteen touchdowns over sixteen yards of. Catch so
obviously there's something missing or something. More and we've seen
this situation comes to practice. Late wasn't need a guy
who's taken videos in the locker room and he released.

(55:52):
Them he doesn't have it all. TOGETHER i, mean you
got to be, focused and you got to be a team.
Guy you can't be a. Clown and at TIMES i
Thought George pickens was a. Clown he put these stats
up on a team that didn't really have a great.
Quarterback now he's going To, dallas maybe he could put
up some big, numbers but still in all will he
straighten his act out or still be a?

Speaker 3 (56:12):
CLOWN i mean looks that's to many another.

Speaker 4 (56:15):
Question he has a lot writing on that because what
he displays this season will determine what kind of contract
he gets. Net he's due for a contract, extension and
if he wants that contract, extension he has to be
on his best behavior when it comes to his emotional,
maturity the outbursts that he displays on the. Field he
has to look like and feel like he's a great.
Teammate on top of bringing SOLID i won't even say.

Speaker 3 (56:38):
Solid, production superb, production OPPOSITE Cd.

Speaker 4 (56:43):
Lamb this is a chance Because Ceedee lamb is opening
up the door and, saying, hey there's not a number
one and number, two we're ONE a and ONE b situation.

Speaker 3 (56:51):
CoV co wide.

Speaker 4 (56:53):
Receiver once that says a lot from the guy that
was designated as a number one. Receiver so there's a
lot of respect for his, Talent but can he bring
the game to the field consistently that would enable him
to dominate like the talent suggests he should be able.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
To, okay let's move along to one of my favorite
teams In New York Football. Giants, okay offensive Linebacker Keevon.
Thibodeau and here's a. Guy what do he played forty three?
Games you, say and he had like twenty one. Sacks
that's to, me he's pretty. Good that's pretty. Good so
what's the problem With? Thibodeau?

Speaker 4 (57:24):
Inconsistent, see you, know like he had a ten sax,
season but then the next season he's back in single.

Speaker 3 (57:29):
Digits and some will say that he's a little one
dimensional in his.

Speaker 4 (57:33):
Approach he's all about the sacks and those things offers
little on the ground against the. Run but when you're
surrounded by Now Derek Dexter. Lawrence you Have Brian burns
on the other. Side you Have Abdual carter coming. In
if he doesn't show, up everyone's going to notice because
This giants defense should be a top ten, defense really

(57:53):
a top five, defense given the personnel they have up.
Front so there are a lot of eyeballs On Tevon
thibodeaux to. See, look he's the fifth overall.

Speaker 3 (58:01):
Pick is he that kind of?

Speaker 4 (58:04):
Player can you imagine him getting a gold jacket based
on his talents right? NOW i don't, know BUT i
think it's one of those things that we got to
see him dominate to kind of put that to.

Speaker 2 (58:15):
Bed, okay But i'll say, This, okay you're telling me
that these guys are not giving you the effort or
the results expected of. Them but, again let's not blame
the player as much as the people who drafted them
in that. Position. Right isn't there a question of someone
who made that pick and that someone's gonna put a
finger in their chest and, say wait a. Minute you,
Know thibodeau all of a sudden now is not giving

(58:37):
us what we expected as a number five. Pick you,
know maybe you didn't make the right. Pick that's a, possibility.

Speaker 4 (58:44):
RIGHT i mean that is a possibility because when you
make the, selections right when we get around the, draft
we always talk, about, oh this guy's a first round.

Speaker 3 (58:56):
Talent oh he should be a top five.

Speaker 4 (58:57):
Pick, yeah but they're expectations that come along with and
drafted in the top, five and the standard is. High
and when you're taking in the top, FIVE i should
be able to, envision to, imagine to project that this
player is going to deliver the kind of performances that
will eventually make him A Gold jacket. Consideration at the
end of his, career he should be A hall Of

(59:18):
fame candidate based on. That and that sounds crazy to
put that, expectation but that is what we talk about
in the. Draft that's why you shouldn't give out those
big grades unless they're truly truly. Earned and when you
take someone in the top, five where you take someone
number one, overall like A Cala, murray, well the expectation
is he's going to be a transformative, talent someone that

(59:41):
is going to completely revolutionize the, franchise turn it, around
get us back on, track and deliver it not only
individually but. Collectively he's going to dominate as a, player
but he's also going to help this team. Dominate that's
the expectation that comes along with being a. Topic so
some of these, guys a lot of these guys are
first round picks who haven't delivered consistently on the promise

(01:00:05):
and potential that we.

Speaker 3 (01:00:06):
Saw when we decided to make them the.

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
Pick all, right we've got two, more But i'm gonna
put them on. Hold we'll get them in the next
seven two more over there That Bucky brooks has the,
enigmas the enigmas of THE, nfl we'll get those. There
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Seven enigmas right now in The National Football, league and,
UH i want to ask, You Bucky, brooks do you

(01:01:59):
ever get any heat from some of THESE nfl players
when writing things about them like This enigma?

Speaker 6 (01:02:05):
Thing?

Speaker 3 (01:02:07):
Oh, yeah, yeah, absolutely but this.

Speaker 4 (01:02:11):
Look but it's a situation where you have to whatever you,
write you have to fully believe in yourself so you
can defend it when you talk to. Them AND i
think the best way when a player confronts you is
to give an honest take.

Speaker 3 (01:02:24):
On the opinion and tell, him, look, man it's not.
Personal it's my.

Speaker 4 (01:02:27):
Opinion doesn't Mean i'm, right but here's WHAT i, feel
and you explain to them how you got to that.
Point and a lot of players may give you the,
heat but if you can explain it and if you'll
stand firm in your, opinion look they back. DOWN i
had a situation years ago When Earl thomas was In
seattle AND i am there doing stuff WITH Nfl network
and he comes in the middle, practice but before practice

(01:02:48):
he's screaming at, me AND i can't figure out what
he's upset, about because in my. MIND i hadn't written,
anything and we had shared conversations in those things, before
but it was A he was still mad because when
he came, OUT i Ranked Eric berry over him At.
Safety no idea that he was that upset about me

(01:03:09):
Ranking Eric berry over him when they were coming out of,
College Eric barry being At, Tennessee Aaron thomas coming out Of.
Texas but it was a, deal AND i had to
have that conversation with. Him even though it was an intensified,
conversation you still have the conversation and you move.

Speaker 3 (01:03:24):
Forward that is. Why and you know, This, andy because
you've been in locker.

Speaker 4 (01:03:29):
Rooms that's why what you say you better, believe because
if a player challenges you on, it you got to
be able to stand firm ten toes down on what
it is that you.

Speaker 3 (01:03:37):
Believe two.

Speaker 2 (01:03:39):
Things number, one they'll always tell. You and you know
this now as a. FACT i don't listen to the
radio AND i don't. Read they. Do they listen to,
everything and they hear everything and they see. Everything there's
number one and number two if in, fact you write,
something AND i feel so good to hear this because
you played the game and you got some heat AND
i guess some of these guys come to you and,
say but come, on, man you played the. Game what
are you doing this to? Me why do me dirty like?

(01:04:00):
This BUT i get. That but if you write that
and you believe, that and you say things like, that
you better show your face because that shows these guys
that you got a pair of hanging. Downs because if you,
don't you usually you have no. Credibility BECAUSE i a
would say stuff on the radio locally In, cincinnati BUT
i always show up the next day in the locker.
Room AND i said this to you once before that

(01:04:22):
may he rest in. Peace Tom browning picture on The Cincinnati.
Reds he wrote a, book and he said that he
didn't agree with a lot of Things i'd say on the,
radio but he really applauded me BECAUSE i always would
show up the next day in the locker. Room NOW
i showed up not so much BECAUSE i wanted to
get the. CREDIBILITY i showed up BECAUSE i know it
may cause a, ruckus AND i like to cause. Ruckuses
and if there was nothing really and if there were

(01:04:43):
other mediate people, there it was. Great And Rob dibble
would always go nuts on me in the locker room
and there were newspaper guys would be there and then
it was right about. It SO i love. That so you,
know in one, Sense i'm kind of showing these guys, that,
YEAH i said it HERE i. Am you, Know i'm
gonna have to eat a bowl of, crap AND i
did many a. Time but also it gained some. Prs
so that's a good thing, Too so we move. ON i,

(01:05:05):
mean but you gotta, share you gotta show your.

Speaker 4 (01:05:08):
Face so now here's the. Difference and in this where
things have. Changed social media has allowed people to say
those things without ever having to face the. Player, right
you can get wild and reckless.

Speaker 3 (01:05:21):
And loose with your language knowing that you're never going
to face the.

Speaker 4 (01:05:25):
Player and we've also created this environment where we always
tell the players, no, no, no you should be above.

Speaker 3 (01:05:31):
That don't listen to. That why you responding YadA, YadA.
YadA well no, no, no no no.

Speaker 4 (01:05:36):
No like in civilian, life if someone says something to,
Me i'm gonna be able to, respond SO i should
expect the player to. Respond but because those interactions don't
really happen face to, face they happen Via. Twitter it's
different than what it used to be when the beat
writer would have to show up in the locker room and.

Speaker 3 (01:05:55):
It would be a very tense situation when everyone would
see the beat right and the player because we all.
Knew the players knew.

Speaker 4 (01:06:04):
This ain't gonna be, good and the reporters knew THAT
i better be ready for a confrontation.

Speaker 2 (01:06:10):
Today, yeah and you, know, LOOK i go to a
baseball locker room before a game or after the. GAME
i knew what to expect because it's twenty five against,
one that's what it's basically what it. Is they form that,
circle they go crazy on. You they, yell they. Scream
they don't touch. You you, know they don't hit, you
but you're ready. To didn't hold the, ground but you
for ten fifteen. Minutes you take, It you suck. It

(01:06:31):
i'll you walk away and the next day it's. Office
that's the end of. That but you're right about the social,
media BECAUSE i think there are people on social. Media
not only did they write ugly things and say stupid,
things they want to bait you to say things and.
Respond And Kevin durant is one of those guys that
always responds on social. Media he's got to learn to control.

Speaker 4 (01:06:47):
Himself he does But i'm gonna say, this and, LOOK
i would give him a ton of credit for taking two,
guys a ton of credit for taking the, industry the sports,
industry and to a higher height when it comes to
the amount of money the, provocavation like in terms of
like the, money the compensation and all of. That but

(01:07:08):
this is a byproduct of the debate culture that we
saw on sports talk radio AND tv STEVEN. A, Smith Skip,
bayless the way that they would, debate the language that
they would, use the inflammatory language that they would use regarding.

Speaker 3 (01:07:24):
Players that is created and spawned a bunch of a generation.

Speaker 4 (01:07:29):
Of people who, think, oh that's how you supposed to cover,
it that's how you supposed to talk about.

Speaker 3 (01:07:34):
Players and call them bumbs and scrubs and they suck
and all.

Speaker 4 (01:07:37):
This they lost a little bit of the WHAT i
would call the human element of the, criticism which has
really made a contentions between media types and, players.

Speaker 2 (01:07:47):
No, doubt no doubt about. THAT i want to just
finish up these enigmas for you IF i, can AND
i talk about, them and one of them Is treik
wooland use all pro cornerback For seattle and you have
them on THIS i, mean this guy was A Pro bowl.
PLAYER i, mean so how does he become in a
nigmap because he's not producing at that same level or
he just had one great, year what's the.

Speaker 4 (01:08:08):
Deal, yeah he's not producing at the same level that
he wants to produced, at and so that changes the. Equation,
yeah he's become a bit of an enigma because how
can you play so well as a rookie and then
not even come close to reaching those. Heights, again some
of that is on his play, technique some of that
is about the injuries and those. Things but, yeah like

(01:08:31):
he hasn't been what we thought he was going to
be after he kind of teased this that first.

Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
Year interesting, There, Okay Kyle pitts tight end for The Atlanta,
falcons and, look he was a fourth overall pick in
twenty twenty. One maybe it's a possibility that father time
has taking its. Toll is that possible if he's not
producing the way he did back four years? Ago that's, possible, Right, nah.

Speaker 3 (01:08:55):
He's too young to do.

Speaker 4 (01:08:56):
THAT i would say a couple of things that have
Hurt kyle's. Pits every year in the, draft we fall
in love with a, player, right we always talk about
this player has all these tools and all these traits
and he can revolutionize the position in those. Things and
so With Kyle, PITTS i believe on our, side the media,
side we put a lot of expectations that this guy
was going to come and take the league by. Storm

(01:09:18):
and then his rookie season when he has a thousand yard,
year there's an expectation that he is going to put
up these kind.

Speaker 3 (01:09:24):
Of numbers for the.

Speaker 4 (01:09:25):
Duration but he hasn't had another thousand yard seasons since
that rookie. Season and it's frustrating because the people that
is his ardent, supporters the people in the media that
talked about you got to take him in the top,
five they want him to validate and justify why he
should have been taken in the top. Five and then
you have another faction of folks, like, hey, look he's,

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solid he's. Good he's not what he was made out to,
be and so we got to figure out a way
to work around his deficiencies while occasionally playing to his
strengths as a pass catcher in those. Things and so
at the end of the, year when you look at the,
numbers numbers fall short of. Expectation Cale pitts is in
a difficult situation because people expect him to Be Kellen

(01:10:09):
winslow To hall Of, famer but what he is is
solid and so there's a disconnect between those two.

Speaker 2 (01:10:17):
Expectations all, right, now we Got Bryce huff defensive end
for the forty nine ers right, now WHO i guess
he was with The. Eagles didn't get it done with The.
Eagles now he's going To San francisco with a new
coach over. There maybe that'll make a. Difference who knows.

Speaker 4 (01:10:31):
Well Roberts soli coaching with The jets and twenty twenty
three when he was with The, jets he led the
league in pass rush, rate you, know like he was
winning twenty one percent of his past rush.

Speaker 3 (01:10:44):
Attempts he had ten. Sacks he was all over the.

Speaker 4 (01:10:47):
Place The Philadelphia eagle sign him to a blockbuster, deal three,
year fifty one, million and he struggles getting off the
bench In Vic fangio's. System, well Roberts sola gets dumped
from The, jets makes his way To San, francisco becomes
de coordinator lo and behold The Sam sucu forty Nine
ers orchestrated trade with The eagles to Get Bryce, Up,
Well bryce up played his best with The jets Under Robert.

(01:11:08):
Sala the expectation is that he will do that again Under.
Solah but you can't dismiss what took place In. Philly
why didn't it work for him in The. Eagles after
you do, that you, know, autopsy then you can figure, out,
hey how can we get him.

Speaker 3 (01:11:24):
To be the best and the best that he can
be the best version of himself In San.

Speaker 2 (01:11:30):
Francisco, okay, last but not, least are you one of
your former teams the linebacker for The Green Bay, Packers Kay,
walker and you call him a tackling. MACHINE a tackling
machine filled in on this.

Speaker 4 (01:11:42):
Look, man he's had over one hundred tackles and three
straight seasons he has flashed tremendous splash playability in terms
of like being able to rack up. SACKS i want
to SAY i may not have put it in. There
he had twenty one tackles for. Loss that's the second
most Of bunks young defenders from that that. Span but,

(01:12:02):
man he has these moments where he just messes. Up
he has these egregious eras and penalties and just doesn't
make the. Play The packers didn't even extend them on
a fifth year, option you, know because look they'll sit
here and.

Speaker 3 (01:12:16):
Say, like, oh we have every intention of signing.

Speaker 4 (01:12:18):
Him but the one thing that you know is like
people that they really, like you never see them decline
the fifth year. Option so there's a there's a little
question maybe on what he is and what can he consistently.

Speaker 3 (01:12:31):
Deliver so, look he falls into that.

Speaker 4 (01:12:34):
Category he's an enigma because we just don't know which
one's gonna show up each and every.

Speaker 2 (01:12:40):
Week, oh you're gonna get some heat on this when
you see these. Guys, yeah how do you clim?

Speaker 5 (01:12:45):
In?

Speaker 2 (01:12:45):
Enigma? Right you'll get? It have you gotten it? Yet?

Speaker 3 (01:12:49):
Again it? YET i haven't gotten. Anything like there's some
mentions and stuff like, that but nothing, crazy you.

Speaker 4 (01:12:55):
KNOW i just make SURE i have My webster's Uh
dictionary with me SO i can Put i'll be, like oh,
wait before you get.

Speaker 3 (01:13:01):
Mad it doesn't necessarily mean that it's bad BECAUSE i
called you an? Enigma is you KNOW i use?

Speaker 2 (01:13:06):
That, YEAH i know you use that word, intentionally but
you figure half those guys don't know what it.

Speaker 4 (01:13:10):
Means that's why, NO i would not say that they
would be Disrespectful i'm just, Saying i'm Just i'm just
want to make sure they understand the definition before they
come up here with a lot of.

Speaker 3 (01:13:19):
Volume i'm, LIKE, Whoa i'm not being.

Speaker 4 (01:13:21):
Disrespectful i'm just saying you're you're an enigma BECAUSE i don't,
KNOW i can't make out what you.

Speaker 2 (01:13:27):
Are we expect more from. You that's what it. Is
there we, go all, right if you want to read
more about THAT nfl Dot com every Week Bucket brooks
right there, NOW i want to talk about the hype,
machine the hype machine in The National Football. League THE
iss notne. Better they're Really first of, all the number
ONE nfl draft, pick this you obviously quarterback Can Ward.
Tennessee where the hell is? He you can't find them
under under a? Cover really is he in witness? PROTECTION

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i mean you would think the number one, pick the Quarterback,
tennessee you'd be reading and writing about this guy every single. Day,
no but you know what we hear about SHD. A
sanders and they talk about every movie makes in the
organized team activities the, OTAs which, honestly and you know,
this they don't mean a. Thing OTA's mean, nothing, right there's.
NOTHING i mean you need to say he was six

(01:14:10):
for nine. Passing what does that? Mean Ohta's but that's
all they talk about, now is? Shaduur is it? GUILT i,
mean why are they doing this because he got railroaded
in the, Draft so now the media wants to feel
sorry for the? Guy is that?

Speaker 3 (01:14:21):
It he's a click ratings.

Speaker 4 (01:14:25):
Bonanza anytime you mentioned Shaudr, sanders your rating goes up
when it comes to amount of clicks and views on your.

Speaker 3 (01:14:32):
Page that's why they talk about them all the.

Speaker 4 (01:14:34):
Time and no matter how much they might have hated
on him during the, process they know that there is
a star quality that comes With shardure and Even. Silo
because we've seen a lot of conversation on Shallow sanders
down To Tampa Anti bowls just issue of statement at
his preson talked about, him how he's doing so well
doing all season program and all the other things that

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he's bringing to the table with Chardur. Is, yeah there's
some of that because the noise was out there about
the character concerns and he can't play and all of this,
stuff and so you're waiting to either validate or confirm.

Speaker 3 (01:15:11):
Your opinion on them one way or the.

Speaker 4 (01:15:13):
Other so part of the, people the faction folks that
are paying, attention they're there hopeful that he is delivering
on the promising potential that some.

Speaker 3 (01:15:22):
Of us saw from him At.

Speaker 4 (01:15:23):
Colorado the other part is hoping that he bombs flat
out because for whatever, reason they don't like the personality
and they don't think that he's a strong.

Speaker 3 (01:15:31):
Player you have all of those, Things, yeah, yeah you
have all.

Speaker 4 (01:15:35):
Of those things in play at, OTAs and because OTA's Are, look,
man we are a football loving. Culture we love, ball
and when we can't get real, ball we want. Springball
we can't get, springball we want summer OTAs and mini.

Speaker 3 (01:15:49):
Camps in those, things that's just who we are as
The american.

Speaker 4 (01:15:52):
Public and these OTAs we call them. Practice we say
they're glorified practices that don't mean. Anything but in the,
moment that's all we.

Speaker 3 (01:16:00):
Got so because it's all we, got we got to
talk about. It and so that's what it is when
it comes To Shuder sanders.

Speaker 2 (01:16:07):
And last but not, Least i've mentioned this team's season
maybe down the drain before it. Starts Anthony, richardson quarterback
for The, colts sideline with that right shoulder. Injury so
what's gonna happen, Now maybe it's to break That Daniel
jones needs for his. CAREER i mean first team.

Speaker 4 (01:16:22):
REPS i, mean, Look Anthony richardson has Been he's one
of those GUYS i could have put him the.

Speaker 3 (01:16:30):
List he's an enigma because they took him.

Speaker 4 (01:16:33):
Thinking that he was the superstar athlete and playmaking those,
things and he's been nothing close to what the expectation
would be for the fourth overall. Pick and if he
really dug into, history it's been the same way since
he's been in high school In. Florida the best it never,
was you, know super, athlete but has never been able
to consistently put it. Together and here we are again

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where he's dealing with an injury that cracks the door
open For Daniel. Jones And Daniel jones is gonna walk
through that because he's already been through.

Speaker 3 (01:17:00):
This he's done. This all this is slow.

Speaker 4 (01:17:02):
Motion he understands the criticism and all the stuff that
comes along with being the, quarterbacks so he should be
able to play through this.

Speaker 3 (01:17:09):
Stuff and we're just gonna see him all, right.

Speaker 2 (01:17:12):
My, Friend, okay He's Bucket. Brooks I'm Andy fermo With
Fox But's Sunny Foxm's. Radio now you get two, choices
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Speaker 6 (01:17:18):
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Speaker 2 (01:17:19):
Yay your AND a is? Next all, right, yay you
AND a coming right up about nine minutes, now before
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The east. Coast He's Bucky brooks And Andy. Furman we're
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Speaker 1 (01:17:33):
Gentlemen these stories need an.

Speaker 2 (01:17:35):
ASS i think we need a ruling on.

Speaker 1 (01:17:37):
This it's yay or.

Speaker 2 (01:17:38):
Nay Bri are you ready handle?

Speaker 3 (01:17:41):
It?

Speaker 2 (01:17:41):
Baby come on?

Speaker 8 (01:17:42):
Now alrighty Does pacers Coach Rick carlisle go down it's
one of the best coaches IN nba. History if The
pacers defeat The thunder yeay or Nae andy e're?

Speaker 2 (01:17:50):
UP i would say. THIS i think he goes down
to one of the best coaches IN nba, history even
if The pacers don't, win that's how good a coach he.

Speaker 4 (01:17:58):
Is, Yay, yeah BUT i think the title would kind
of solidified if he's able to get. That if he's
able to get another, title that solidifies it for. Him
it makes him legendary as a multiple time. Champion, YEAH
i think he has an opportunity to do, that but
he has to win, it all.

Speaker 8 (01:18:16):
Right If okase loses the, finals would it be a
major choke job after a sixty eight win?

Speaker 7 (01:18:21):
Season, yeah your, Nay, Bucky, now wouldn't.

Speaker 3 (01:18:24):
Be a major choke. Job they've done a.

Speaker 4 (01:18:27):
Lot they've been in sixty plus games and doing all
that other. Stuff but being the title is hard and
sometimes you have to learn how to do. It remember
The GOLDEN Si warriors won seventy three games and couldn't
come away as the. Titleist it's a lot that you
have to pull off to be able to win in the.
Postseason if they lose as part of the learning lessons
that they must acquire before they can be a.

Speaker 2 (01:18:47):
Champion if they, Lose i'm gonna Get Halli burn to
put his hands around his neck and do the choke job.
Deal because this team won sixty eight per, year fifty
seven last. Year at his, time you know it's about.
Them you either got to get it done or, no
and they gotta get it done this. Year a lot of,
pressure not just to win the, finals they got to
win it because of what they've.

Speaker 8 (01:19:05):
Accomplished, yes all righty That Aaron roger drama is finally?

Speaker 7 (01:19:10):
Over or is?

Speaker 8 (01:19:11):
It is it buyer beware for the stealer for The
Pittsburgh steelers yeay or?

Speaker 5 (01:19:15):
Nay?

Speaker 7 (01:19:16):
Andy?

Speaker 2 (01:19:17):
YEAH i say it's just.

Speaker 4 (01:19:19):
LOOKING i, mean whoever goes LIKE i think it's barer
beware because they got exactly what they. Wanted they waited
until the last minute to sign. Him he signs a mini,
camp not enough time to bomb with his, teammates but who?

Speaker 3 (01:19:32):
Cares let him do his own. Thing and then For Mike,
tomlin Who i've been.

Speaker 4 (01:19:35):
A huge supporter of forever, man he has kissed his
wagon to an old quarterback who hasn't.

Speaker 3 (01:19:41):
Played very well of. LATE i don't like the way this.
LOOKS i think both of these guys get a lot
of pushback and blow.

Speaker 2 (01:19:47):
BACK i say. NO i think That Aaron rodgers rights
now wants to settle his. Legacy he really. DOES i
think he's gonna do whatever he. CAN i think garbage
is finished right. Now he's moving. On he's gonna play.
FOOTBALL i think that's what he's gonna. DO i, Say,
Nay that's What i'm. Saying, well this is a ya.

Speaker 7 (01:20:03):
Segment good, job, guys good.

Speaker 2 (01:20:05):
Job for you for your first, time, right, yeah first time, Right,
yes very. Cool ONE nfl quarterback just became a big time.
Loser that had more next On Fox Sports. Sunday, next.

Speaker 1 (01:20:18):
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Speaker 2 (01:20:21):
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Everybody this Is Fox Sports sunday At Fox Sports. Radio
He's Bucky brooks To Andy.

Speaker 3 (01:20:31):
Verman you know.

Speaker 2 (01:20:31):
What we're broadcasting live from The Fox Sports radio, studios
and Uh, Buck i'll tell you. What it's been a
great run. Today BUT i got a couple more questions
to run by IF i.

Speaker 3 (01:20:40):
May what'd you get from?

Speaker 2 (01:20:42):
ME i read a report the other day that in
The ota sessions of The New York Football giants there
was some multiple, fights all, right AND i think it
Was James, hudson the left, tackle And Brian, burns a pass.
Rusher they were getting into. It first of, ALL i
don't understand why football plays fight with the helmets. ON
i think it is the dumbest thing in the. World
that's number, one but number, TWO i don't see this
in other. SPORTS i see hockey players fight against players

(01:21:04):
on the other. Team basketball, players maybe once in a
while there is a spat in the locker, room but
these guys do it and constantly it. Happens it's a
commonplace that football players fight during preseason games with. Practice
why is? THAT i mean you've been, around you've seen it, too,
Right have you been involved in Any?

Speaker 4 (01:21:24):
YEAH i mean like, yeah because you're tired of seeing
the same people all the. Time and it gets contentious
as competitive and as you get closer to training, camp
and in training camp where roster sponsor on the, line,
yeah it becomes a little more contingents and you see
some competitive conflict results and.

Speaker 3 (01:21:40):
Fights but it's nothing to. It and as you, say, now,
look it's not smart to fight with a helmet, on.

Speaker 4 (01:21:46):
But you know, what areas not protected the, belly so
you can gut punch people if you want.

Speaker 3 (01:21:52):
To so there's a way to always get it. Done
and you just got to know what you're.

Speaker 4 (01:21:55):
Doing, now have you silly enough to think that you're
gonna co cox somebody delivering one to the. Ear that's
not gonna. Happen but you can you can gut punch.
Them you also might be able to deliver a time the.
Uppercut if you're really trying to throw your hands for,
real it sounds.

Speaker 2 (01:22:11):
Like you've had some, experience you.

Speaker 4 (01:22:12):
Know i'm just saying, like you got to know the
rules of. Engagement you have to know the rules of.
Engagement if you decide that you want to square it
off like a, gentleman then you better know what you're dealing.

Speaker 3 (01:22:24):
With and so you just got to.

Speaker 2 (01:22:26):
Know what are the coaches do after the fights are?
Over they trying to break it. Up they'll let the guys.
Go what do they.

Speaker 4 (01:22:31):
Do they're trying to break it. Up they're trying to
break it. Up get get back to business because we're wasting.
Time sometimes that is a great time, drainer, right everyone's.
Tired you need a little, Break so let's have a
fight so we can slow practice down for another ten
to fifteen.

Speaker 3 (01:22:47):
Minutes so some of that.

Speaker 4 (01:22:48):
Stuff kind of, look, man it's a long it's a
LONG i mean training camp is not quite what.

Speaker 3 (01:22:53):
It, was but, yeah, man it's a long time, long
a lot of stuff going.

Speaker 2 (01:22:57):
On do we know what's a long? Time this era.
Suation we finally get to it right. Now Aaron rodgers
finally signed with The Pittsburgh steelers this, week just the
other day put his name on the. Contract it does
bring maybe some resolution to one of the biggest and
most drawn out storylines of the season thus. Far and
it doesn't rule and change the fact that The steelers
have been in this drama. Situation and really and truly

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you mentioned That Mike tomlin. THING i don't Picture Mike
tomlin With Aaron, rodgers But i'm thinking, maybe just Maybe
Mike thomlin's coming to the end of his career and
he's gonna, say you know, WHAT i don't care. Anymore
this is It i'm Putting i'm hitching my wagon Too Aaron.
Rodgers hopefully we can go as far as we can with,
him and Then i'm gonna call it a career BECAUSE
i don't Think Mason rudolph's gonna take me as far

(01:23:42):
As Aaron rodgers would take.

Speaker 4 (01:23:43):
ME i, mean there's probably some truth to that that
he's just trying to figure out what's the best way
to operate in this, space you. Know and so With
Aaron rodgers been a guy who has has won and
maybe he's comfortable with. Him, look we've seen it of,
late he's tried to win with the, retreats. RIGHT i
had to do it last year With.

Speaker 3 (01:24:01):
Russell Wilson Justin fields swapped those guys.

Speaker 4 (01:24:04):
Out and then you bring In Aaron rodgers and see
if you can find a way to get to the
magic number to win enough games to get into the
postseason and maybe win a game or.

Speaker 3 (01:24:13):
Two it's just been a long time since The stillers have.

Speaker 4 (01:24:16):
Won and Then Aaron, rodgers, LOOK i can deem, him
AND i can talk about how poorly he has played
of late four TIME, MVP a guy who certainly knows
how to. Win maybe his biggest contributions come less with
his right arm and more with his mind and his
ability to convey to a young. Team these are the

(01:24:37):
things that we must do to win at the highest,
level you.

Speaker 2 (01:24:40):
Know, HONESTLY i read this the other day AND i was.
Shocked his statistics last, Year Aaron rodgers are very similar
To Josh. Allen's they really weren't that far. Apart he
had five more ants Than Josh, allen but still in
old the yards passed four and things like. That on
a bad, team his stats were almost parallel To Josh.
ALLEN i still think there's some guests left in the

(01:25:02):
tank With Aaron, RODGERS i really.

Speaker 3 (01:25:03):
DO i don't know how much gas is left in the.

Speaker 4 (01:25:08):
TANK i mean he made shore enough flash every now and,
then like he's on life, support so you might get
a bleep every now.

Speaker 3 (01:25:14):
And, then but then he's gonna go right back to
what it is.

Speaker 4 (01:25:18):
Now the stillness thing can't support him by taking a
lot of the responsibility off of his.

Speaker 3 (01:25:24):
Shoulder strong running.

Speaker 4 (01:25:26):
Game he have one of the better defenses that he's ever,
Had so maybe he doesn't have To he doesn't need
to feel the. Pressure, HEY i gotta put twenty eight,
points so he forced his. THINGS i can win with twenty.
TWO i can win with twenty four points those, Things
so that changes the, equation changes the, math changes.

Speaker 3 (01:25:40):
How you call it the.

Speaker 4 (01:25:41):
Game he just needs to play within. Himself he's gonna
avoid the turnover more than. Likely that's that's enough to
give them a.

Speaker 2 (01:25:48):
Chance all, Right, now here's the. Deal everybody was saying, that,
oh he waited so long to come to camp and
this and, that and then he came back the other
day and he, said, well you, know he had some.
PROBLEM i think some friend or relative at cancer and you,
know it's a personal thing they want to talk. About.
It to, me the timing doesn't bother me as much
BECAUSE i remember When Brett fav went to The Minnesota.

(01:26:10):
Vikings he signed with them In, august you, know and
he did rather well that. Year SO i don't think
it means that, much do. YOU i, mean so he
drew it. OUT i mean he's gonna go to training
camp and everything's gonna be.

Speaker 3 (01:26:20):
Fine, Yeah, LOOK i think everything will eventually be.

Speaker 4 (01:26:24):
Fine he did drag it, out and it's one of
the things that you have to know when you get
involved with this.

Speaker 3 (01:26:29):
Player you have to know what it's gonna look.

Speaker 4 (01:26:31):
Like you're gonna have some, Drama you're gonna have some
shoulders that you need to rub to make sure he feels,
okay all this other, Stuff and that's why it's important
that you do the background research on everybody so you
know exactly who's coming into your locker room and how
you need to handle, them so you can make those
plans well in. Advance that's Why i'm, surprised just you

(01:26:53):
know that it's taken this. Long but then there's a
part of me it's, like, No i'm not A Saron.
Broder this is always gonna take a long time to
get this stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:26:59):
Right, right it's, Over we'll see what happens to see
if he even talks to the media this. Week, Okay
so rather than, duel dwell On Aaron rodgers and we'll
get back to them. Momentarily the big LOSER i think
in this scenario is going to be and Is Kirk,
cousins because he still remains on the contract with The Atlanta.
Falcons they've been back and forth with a, contract and

(01:27:21):
we'll see what. Happens they thought they were going to break.
Up they're still. Together who, knows but everybody Thought cousins
might be the guy going To. Pittsburgh what happens now
With Kirk, COUSINS i think they really want to part
with this guy because there's ten million dollars on the table.
There so what's the options here For Kirk. Cousins what
does he do and what does he?

Speaker 3 (01:27:38):
Go wait for an injury to happen in training. Camp
that's the best thing For Kirk.

Speaker 4 (01:27:43):
Cousins he just has to wait and see if any
starting quarterback goes down and that creates an opportunity for
him to go and. Play right, Now, look the dance
guard is full for, everybody and so he just has
to patiently. Wait he has to make sure he stays in,
shape does all the stuff that he needs to, do
and they kind of go about his business in that.

Speaker 3 (01:28:02):
Regard but let me say, This Kirk cousins didn't play.
Well that's.

Speaker 4 (01:28:07):
Year so we can talk About Kirk cousins and act
like he's that unicorn that's gonna come and save the,
day much like.

Speaker 3 (01:28:12):
We talked about with these older.

Speaker 4 (01:28:13):
Quarterbacks but he didn't play, well didn't look, great and
it's gonna be problematic for him when it comes to
getting a job BECAUSE i don't know if he can come.
Back you, know remember he had that achilles injury. TOO
i don't know if he can come back and play
at a high.

Speaker 2 (01:28:27):
Level Oh i'll tell you. What falcons may have to
eat that ten million dollar. Contract but we'll see what happens.
Here it Was indianapolis now When Anthony richardson could be
on the sholf with that. Shoulder what happens is are
The colts in play perhaps For Kirk, cousins.

Speaker 3 (01:28:43):
Well depending on the price.

Speaker 4 (01:28:45):
Tag But Kirk cousins And Danny, Jones Daniel, JONES i,
mean maybe you, know you just don't, Know like we
don't know how Long Anthony richardson is gonna be. Out but,
YEAH i mean there's gonna be some opportunity of. These
it's a matter Of kirk deciding which one is the
best one for, Him like how does he how does

(01:29:07):
he navigate, it what does he do those things to
put himself in the best the best position to kind
of maximize it and take advantage of what's what's available
out there for.

Speaker 2 (01:29:16):
Him, okay there's two other teams perhaps now according TO
o T a activity and what they're saying C. J,
stroud he's got some soreness in his, shoulder maybe a
backup there In houston, PERHAPS.

Speaker 3 (01:29:29):
I mean that that could be a situation.

Speaker 5 (01:29:33):
For.

Speaker 4 (01:29:33):
Him LIKE i think all these things you have to
you have to, monitor you, know and see is there
is there a good. SITUATION i just know that no
team is gonna pull the trigger at the price tag.

Speaker 3 (01:29:44):
Right now with what The Atlanta falcons are on the hook.

Speaker 4 (01:29:46):
For they will wait for him to get cut or
removed or whatever The falcons do in terms of picking
up part of the salary or whatever they.

Speaker 3 (01:29:56):
Decide but, yeah no, one no one's gonna take him
at that.

Speaker 2 (01:29:59):
Note because the, Production, yeah it'll be a contract with,
incentives an incentive laden, Contract i'm. Sure but there's a
possibility that With New orleans now because there are a car's,
gone so maybe he goes To New. Orleans SO i
think there's a couple of teams out there with. Possibilities
but you see the way for an, injury that's what
gonna do it wait for an injury and then there he.
Goes so we. See So Aaron, Rodgers now here's the big.

(01:30:21):
Question Does Aaron rodgers make This stealers? Better OBVIOUSLY i
gotta believe this. Guy he is an upgrade For, mason
AND i feel a bit For Mason. Rudolph he's an
upgrade For Mason. Rudolf BUT i Thought mason would get
his chance NOW i really. Did and he's gotta be
really p, o don't you. THINK i, mean you, know
people on The Pittsburgh steelers to a man in that
locker room right, NOW a they're probably happy this drama

(01:30:43):
is allver one way or the. Other b there's gotta
be some excitement there saying, that you, know we Got Aaron,
rodgers maybe we could do. Something but See Mason rudolf, saying,
man it could have been my, team and Now i'm.
SCREWED i mean.

Speaker 4 (01:30:56):
Could have been, yeah But i'm sure they kind of
kept in the, loop you, know you knew what he
was dealing.

Speaker 3 (01:31:01):
With and, look he has be ready to go because
he's a play away from me and the starting.

Speaker 4 (01:31:05):
Quarterback so regardless of however he goes, down he's a
play away from me and the starting, quarterback and he
has to prepare like. That we have to see how
much the offense changes now That Aaron rodgers comes. In
do they change and run To Aaron rodgers offense or
do they run the offense that they've.

Speaker 3 (01:31:21):
Been working on the last two years On Arthur.

Speaker 2 (01:31:23):
Smith all, Right Pittsburgh, steelers right, Now Aaron. Rodgers they
have twenty one seasons without a losing record since two
thousand and. Four all, right last eighteen Under Mike. Tomlin
this is a pretty good. Deal. Now the one guy
that's going to be jumping for joy right now For
Aaron rodgers is The Pro bowl receiver OF Dk, Metcalf
so he's gonna. Help he's gonna Help Aaron. Rodgers we'll

(01:31:44):
see what. Happens they got a guy that could really
get them into the red. Zone so we'll see what
happens over. There as far as the, negatives right, now
four of The steelers five offensive line starters either just
finished their first or second year in THE. Nfl could
be a rough goal of If Aaron rodgers taking snaps
and running for his, life that's All i'm, saying is a.

(01:32:05):
Possibility i'm sure he's seen. That but what other choice
does he?

Speaker 3 (01:32:09):
Have right he doesn't really have. One you, know you
just got to get a roll with. It you don't
have any. Choices you got to make the best of
the situation and see what it looks like in the.

Speaker 4 (01:32:17):
End this is, common you, know but the best, players
the best coaches come try and figure it out on the.

Speaker 3 (01:32:23):
Run this opportunity for us to see his.

Speaker 2 (01:32:25):
Greatness, okay last, year according to statistics in THE, nfl
The Pittsburgh steelers gave up a quarterback pressure rate of
thirty eight point six, percent which was the fourth highest
in the entire. League so we'll see what happens over.
THERE i, mean, again he got The achilles. Tear maybe
he's coming back right. Now people have always said that
you usually have more success the year after the second

(01:32:49):
year after that, operation which would be this. Year so
we'll see if he comes. Back it's gonna be great
to see because he's got some games on the schedule
that could really mean. Something he's got The jets the
first game of the Year september. Seven he's playing Green
bay this. Year so let's talk about the legacy possibility
Of Aaron. Rodgers what happens?

Speaker 4 (01:33:06):
THERE i mean legacy? Cemented, right he's the all time.
Great we, know we know he's gonna be A hall
Of fame. Player he won A Super bowl in Green
bay that put him. There that puts him. There it's
just a matter of he's he gonna be regarded as
the elite of the. Elite so are we going to
talk about with the reference that we talk About Tom?
Brady Because Tom brady was able to go From New
england To tampa and win the. Title Ken Aaron rodgers

(01:33:29):
do that because if he does, that data gets removed
some of the stench around his, name because we have
to respect him for being able to elevate others to
take them to the next, level something that he hasn't
been able to do throughout his career In Green bay
and then went To.

Speaker 3 (01:33:43):
Jets it's.

Speaker 2 (01:33:44):
AMAZING i, mean here's a stat that's really worth mentioning right.
Now if he could win one More Super, bowl he
will Join manning And brady as the only quarterbacks ever
to win at least three league MVPs and Two Super. Bowls,
that as you say With samantha's, place is a top
five BACK nfl history for first time Ballot hall Of.
Fame but there's no doubt about. That so he's in

(01:34:04):
there right. There you, KNOW i just don't see. WELL
i guess he's used to playing in a smaller market
Like Green. Bay But, PITTSBURGH i, mean he may get
some heat with the fan base In pittsburgh did kind
of rabbit fans over. There AND i want to see
him in that. DIVISION i, mean he's going against some
great quarterbacks in that. Division we'll see him twice Against Joe.
Burrow it's gonna be. GREAT i, mean it's gonna be
the old timer against the new. Time In lamar is

(01:34:27):
gonna be in that. Division he's gonna play Against Joe.
Burrow it's gonna be really. Good to be a tight.
Race And i'd like to see him do, WELL i really.
DO i mean it'd be a great. Storyline you, know
see what?

Speaker 4 (01:34:38):
Happens what do YOU i mean the great thing about THE,
nfl they are always, Storylines they're always. THINGS i, MEAN
i don't expect a. LOT i, MEAN i expect him
to keep the ship kind of rolling. SMOOTHLY i just
don't know how talented they are around, him AND i
don't know how much he has. Left like it's just

(01:34:59):
hard to. Predict when older people are counting on heavily.
Win Father time is ultimately going to. Win we've seen
parts of, that but, MAN i don't. KNOW i think
you would be foolish to count him being Vintage. ROGERS
i think what you hope is at his, best.

Speaker 3 (01:35:15):
He can be a high end game manager who flashes
the ability to close out games when they're hanging in the.
Ballot at his, worst.

Speaker 4 (01:35:22):
He's a low end game manager that you have to
protect by not really exposing him to enough a number
of pass. Attempts Arthur smith have to figure that out
over the first half of the. Season what is he
really working with at? Quarterback because the Last Aaron rodgers
that we saw not only has lost a little bit
of the, touch but he also is a little more
jittery in the, pocket and when old quarterbacks get to

(01:35:45):
a certain, point they don't like being. Hit how does
he respond to being hit when people dial up pressures
where you get a free.

Speaker 3 (01:35:52):
Hitter to him and he's going to have to take the.

Speaker 4 (01:35:53):
Lick does he change his game and just start throwing
quickly because he sees ghosts or does he still display
the same on the courage that he did when he
was playing at his prime and making big plays for The.

Speaker 2 (01:36:04):
Packers you don't like, him do? YOU i mean as an,
individual that's. Okay you could you could say, THAT i.

Speaker 3 (01:36:10):
Mean i'm not a, fan but, no, no, No i'm.
Not i'm not a. Fan. Okay so here's what it
comes down, To.

Speaker 4 (01:36:15):
Andy, so so you talked about The Cincinnati, reds, right
and you you were there with the Big red machine
in terms of, like you know what it was like
at his, best right With Joe, Morgan Johnny, Bench, uh you,
know Thom. Sevens the way that they, operated, Right, yeah, Yeah,
like but there was a way that they. Operated they
had a code in terms of how they. Played they

(01:36:37):
were great. Teammates WHEN i was In Green. Bay the
first thing you do when you walk in the. Building
everything In Green bay harkens back to When lombardy was.
There they tell you it's about the. Team nobody's bigger
than the. Program when you walk into the, stadium you
see all those names up in the ring of, honor
they tell, you nobody's bigger than the.

Speaker 3 (01:36:56):
Program you ain't one of, them so you're.

Speaker 4 (01:36:58):
Not even get the special privileges that you may get
at other. Teams we're about the team. Here they were
talking about. It when we're watching, tape and you may
make a play and you may put a little extra
dance in it so you can put some spotlight.

Speaker 3 (01:37:13):
On, yourself and they were, like hey, man we don't
do that.

Speaker 4 (01:37:14):
Here So Aaron rodgers to, me WHEN i watch him
as a Former, packer he violated all of those things
because he made it about him and not the. Team
and so it's hard for, me having spent the majority
of my career playing with The. Packers three of my
six seasons were with The, packers to hear all, that
to know how they talked about to know how they
held the team with such, reverence and that he that

(01:37:39):
guy is the one that has put himself above. It,
YEAH i never really dug him because he runs counterculture
to what was Establishing Green.

Speaker 3 (01:37:46):
Bay that's WHY i don't like him as a.

Speaker 2 (01:37:47):
Player, okay you talked about, Culture, okay and you Mentioned Green. Bay,
Okay Green, bay And i'll put them in the same
league as The New York, Yankees, napoles And. CELTICS i
think they have that same kind of culture and to some,
EXTENT i think The Pittsburgh steelers have. Too and then
why through that question you say you don't like him
because that culture has kind of been rocked a little
bit By Aaron. Rodgers BECAUSE i Think Mike tomlin has

(01:38:09):
kind of kept that culture At. Bay and when you
talk about only three coaches ever to ever coach that
team in the entire history of that, franchise there's a
culture that goes very you, know it just goes, through
through and through and. Through and they have Those Super
bowls and they know. That And i'm sure when you
walk into the locker room In, pittsburgh WHICH i never,
have they have that. Culture and he's kind of disrupted

(01:38:31):
that he really, has and that could disrupt the team.

Speaker 6 (01:38:36):
It.

Speaker 4 (01:38:36):
Is and BECAUSE i know some people In new, ORGANIZATION
i haven't talked to him about this. Situation BUT i
know how they feel about the, stealers and they talk, about,
man this guy is a.

Speaker 3 (01:38:46):
Stealer they talk about.

Speaker 4 (01:38:47):
Like certain characteristics and qualities that stealers have and exhibit,
toughness you, know like a ferocity and.

Speaker 3 (01:38:55):
Intensity they play with, violence they do all. That but
they're great. Teammates all of those things that were established.

Speaker 4 (01:39:01):
When Chuck no was, there Because Green bay And pittsburgh
are very, Similar like they harken back to those glory,
days right so and The stillers it's the Seventies stillers
and how they dominated to, steal curtain all those. Things,
look they haven't changed their, uniform they haven't done. Anything
like everything to them is like a. Throwback, WELL i

(01:39:22):
don't know If Aaron rodgers is a throwback type In.
Pittsburgh can he embrace the history and the tradition and
the culture that's been established.

Speaker 3 (01:39:33):
THERE i don't, know you know What i'm.

Speaker 4 (01:39:35):
Saying AND i know like there were some leeways and
some things that were given To Ben roethlisberger at the
end of his, career but they they've gotten away from
some of those things that were really good for The
steelers in terms of like traditional. Things but, look it's
our Disputing AND i know people make the kind of
laugh at the toimeland the winning thing or.

Speaker 3 (01:39:55):
Whatever like he has an.

Speaker 4 (01:39:56):
ENEMY i just wonder how Does Aaron rodgers fit in
that locker? Room does he really like take a step
back from an ego standpoint and, say hey, MAN i
just want to blend in and be a good.

Speaker 3 (01:40:08):
TEAMMATE i just want TO i want to do whatever
they need from.

Speaker 4 (01:40:12):
Me from a leadership, standpoint from a playing, standpoint it's
not about me and my individual. Stuff it's about me
being a part of the team and seeking something better
that will make everybody.

Speaker 3 (01:40:23):
LEGENDARY i don't know if he has that in them.

Speaker 2 (01:40:26):
Right and you know what's, funny you, know the inner
workings of the team and the team morale and what
the team can get from a. Player to, ME i
never lived In, pittsburgh BUT i look At pittsburgh as
a blue collar, town a hard working, town people working
for their, money you, know with smoke stock, town the
steel mills and things like. That AND i don't know
if they could accept a guy Like aaron Rodg it's

(01:40:48):
gonna be funny with look when he changes, everything when
he does it, all you, know they come out there
and go three and, oh he'll be a. Hero they
go out, there oh and three he's a. Bum that's
just the way it. Is that's the way sports is,
right the way it is.

Speaker 3 (01:41:00):
So and that's and that's and that's a big part of.

Speaker 4 (01:41:04):
IT i would, say, like, uh much like a president
that comes, in how he handles those first one hundred,
days the presser that he has On, Tuesday how does
he set the?

Speaker 3 (01:41:14):
Tone what does he?

Speaker 4 (01:41:15):
Say can he can he ingratiate himself to The pittsburgh
community by saying the right? Things does he ingratiate himself
to the? Teammates do they believe that he's? All then onto,
that because remember you Heard Darius slay talk about, like,
man at some, point you got to come in and
get this. Work if you're gonna be a part of the,
team how you're gonna lead the team when you're not
around the team that matters in.

Speaker 3 (01:41:33):
The quarterback is the most important.

Speaker 4 (01:41:35):
Position SO i understood that he was dealing with family
stuff and all that, like AND i can respect, that
but the quarterback has to be. Around and so for
the quarterback to come to, miniicamp didn't to go to training.
Camp that's not really enough time to build yourself into
being the leader of the.

Speaker 3 (01:41:51):
Team like that's that's a hard.

Speaker 4 (01:41:54):
Situation you gotta be, there you gotta go through some
stuff together so they can earn your.

Speaker 3 (01:42:00):
TRUST i just don't know how it. Works, yeah it's
a higher. GUN i don't know if that. Works.

Speaker 2 (01:42:06):
Well you're exactly, Right but time will. Tell i'm sure
eyes and ears will be all over that place In
pittsburgh And, Latroll pennsylvania when they go to training. Camp,
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Speaker 5 (01:44:23):
Sunday good, Morning good. MORNING i listen to you guys
Every sunday, morning.

Speaker 2 (01:44:30):
And you're the.

Speaker 1 (01:44:31):
One you are the, one.

Speaker 5 (01:44:35):
And, Buddy i've been following you for a long, time,
sir AND i really appreciate your. Input And i'm really
with you BECAUSE i know When Aaron rodgers got The
pittsburgh he got his first shot when they told him
we don't hand out the number twelve Because Terry, branshaw
he's won Four Super Bowl championships for this. Franchise you're

(01:44:58):
just walking, in, dude we don't even know. You AND
i want to just touch on one. THING i could
respect somebody, saying you, know they had a, problem you,
know in the, family outside of the, family but what
it WAS i saw him like maybe two weeks ago ON.
Tv he was looking real comfortable laughing at it. Up
when all all the lap dogs sitting around and you're gonna,

(01:45:20):
sign and you're gonna, sign you, know me and, MYSELF
i would be, Like, heywood hey, man you can either
be here or not Because i'm gonna steal a fan
from the. Seventies you, KNOW i remember The Jack, Ham Jack.
Lambert they ll See Green, Wood me And Joe green
and the Rest Donny shield and none of them guys

(01:45:42):
would have been waiting around For Anne. Rogers they would have,
said we don't need, him go ahead And drift should do.
It y'all have a Great, Sunday and thanks for taking my.

Speaker 2 (01:45:50):
Call, Man thank you for. Listening, Wayne thank you so.
Much what do you think about that? Book what do
you think about the dealers not waiting?

Speaker 4 (01:45:56):
Around, WELL i, LOOK i Think wayne is onto something, Like,
look they shouldn't wait around like The pittsburgh still.

Speaker 3 (01:46:05):
Is you don't have to wait around On Aaron. Rodgers
he doesn't command that kind of.

Speaker 4 (01:46:09):
Cachet where you do that, like so they've already created
this situation where they're acquiescing to his knees and demands
as opposed to setting it firm, like, no, no, no
this is the, team this is what we, do and
you have to meet us at our level as opposed
to us meeting them. There so we'll see if they
can change and kind of get it. Established BUT i

(01:46:30):
don't necessarily love the way that it started so.

Speaker 2 (01:46:32):
Far, okay let me play The devil's avoct for a.
SECOND i mean way maybe correct on. That say, hey
we don't wait, around but there's got to be a
contingented players on The. Steelers say wait a, minute we've
got To Aaron. Rodgers he's got to be a step
up To Mason. Rudolph but don't you think gives us
a better chance to? Win perhaps.

Speaker 3 (01:46:49):
Maybe a little, bit but you still got to be
the right.

Speaker 4 (01:46:51):
Teammate like there's some guys THAT i promise you would
rather go to war With Mason rudolph because they know
he's all in on being a. State like there is
something to that part of the equation that we haven't talked.
About like it's about wanting to be a, stealer like
wanting to embrace all the things that come along with.

Speaker 3 (01:47:10):
That AND i shouldn't have to convince, you, man you
need to come, here because this would be great for.

Speaker 4 (01:47:15):
You you should already, know given what our franchise, means
the history of our franchise and all of that. Stuff
SO i, LOOK i do feel a certain kind of
way when it comes to that part of, It BUT
i also, understand Like Aaron rodgers Is Aaron, rodgers and
he's earned some of that. Stuff BUT i think if
you're The, stillers you just got to be careful about
giving him too much, power too much juice to kind

(01:47:38):
of operate however he wants to.

Speaker 2 (01:47:40):
Operate and you, look The stealers wanted him and they.
Waited And i'll tell you WHY i say, That. Biggles
you remember there was some talk he going to The.
Giants The giants didn't wait. Around they drafted a. Quarterback
they got their quarterbacks right. Now they didn't wait For
Aaron rodgers say, look we're. Interested do you want to do,
It let's do it. Now if not with the draft,
king they drafted a. Quarterback so they just moved. On
steelers didn't move. On they. Waited they wanted. Him there

(01:48:02):
was and it wasn't so. MUCH i don't think there's so, Much.
TOMLIN i think it Was Arthur rooney the second he's
the one that kept on talking publicly that he Wanted Aaron.
Rodgers it was him that Wanted so we'll.

Speaker 4 (01:48:14):
See yeah maybe SO i mean that that that MIGHT
i mean that probably is true to. Me is you
got to be careful, Though, yeah you just got to
be careful when you when you, do be.

Speaker 2 (01:48:26):
Aware as you, said, now here's the story of the.
Day but as we say that for the Last, okay
after months of, deliberation The house versus the N cuba
settlement was approved On friday, night paving the way for
athletes pay In division. One and obviously this could be
a new era of college. SPORTS i say it is
kind of like THE nfl right, Now Starting july, first
All division one, schools All division one schools will be

(01:48:50):
able to directly pay players for the first time IN
nc DOUBLE a. History, okay what does.

Speaker 3 (01:48:55):
This mean right?

Speaker 2 (01:48:55):
Now good for athletes for. Sure that makes even more
of a division lit between the haves and the have. Nots,
Look yukon has a football. Team, yeah believe it or,
not they. Do it's all basketball in that. School how
does yukon't? Compete how does the school Like toledo compete
with The Ohio States they couldn't do it, Now they'll
never be able to do it now by PAYING i
just don't think it's gonna does any good for the

(01:49:18):
landscape of college.

Speaker 4 (01:49:19):
Football it makes it, look it makes it makes it
challenging to a, point right in terms of like trying
to get done what you want to get. Done you,
know at some, level depending on how much money your
school is willing to commit to the. Program but if
you're one of those teams who's all, in who they

(01:49:40):
have the money in the, backing it's gonna be. GREAT
i saw the, president but the new chancellor FOR ucla
talking about the importance of athletics as it relates to
increasing and heightening the profile of the. School so the
haves and the have nots will take the, halves will
take advantage of. It the have nots they have to
make hard decisions on where do they want to live and.
Exist you, know it's, look, man.

Speaker 3 (01:50:02):
It's a tough.

Speaker 4 (01:50:03):
Situation but for the, players, yeah the players to get
paid and those, THINGS i just hope some stipulations are
put in place to protect, them not necessarily, monetarily but
in terms of their ability and their willingness to go
and leave college with a degree because to, me that's
important because everyone's gonna blow through whatever cash they, Get,
like no few are gonna be wise enough savvy enough

(01:50:26):
to parlay that money and to long term success when
it comes to. That money helped me leverage myself to
get a, house, started business or.

Speaker 3 (01:50:35):
Whatever so can you at least walk away college with
a degree while you have some cash while you're.

Speaker 2 (01:50:40):
Playing, okay LOOK i get. It athletes now could finally
get a cut of the billions billions with it be
billions of dollars broadcast revenue they help to. Generate there's
no doubt about. That there's no place on earth where
a worker does not get compensated for what he. Does
and these guys basically work because you, know you've been,
there done. That you know to have a full time

(01:51:01):
schedule of fifteen hours of classes perhaps twelve to fifteen,
hours and practice with film sessions and. Workouts it's. Tough
you should get. Paid and obviously you do a lot
as an athlete for the. School you increase, enrollment you increase,
visibility you help sell, merchandise you help. Admissions you do
a lot as an, athlete so you should get. Paid

(01:51:21):
but the point is, this there are schools they're going
to get paid a lot more than. Others i've seen
schools now falling by the. Wayside what DO i mean by?
That Saint Francis university In, Loretto pennsylvania was A division one.
School they now have dropped now To DIVISION. Iii they can't.
Compete they had A division one football. Program they. Compete
Saint Francis college At, brooklyn WHERE i, WORKED i worked
as a division they didn't have, football they Had division one.

(01:51:43):
Basketball they dropped all their, sports dropped them all AND
i worked there for a. While so it's, happening and
we're going to see more and more of, that BECAUSE
i just don't think the also rands. Becool the smaller
schools cannot. Compete in the area WHERE i. Live right,
now you got Two division one. Schools you Got Ja,
university and you've got The university Of. Cincinnati Since i's
in The big, Twelve xavior's in The Big. East xavier

(01:52:05):
profit by that because why they don't have, football so
all the money will be generated going to. Basketball cincinnati
Is gonulda be tough for. Them it really will.

Speaker 6 (01:52:13):
Be.

Speaker 2 (01:52:13):
Now they also have on the other side of the,
River Northern Kentucky, university which Is division, One BUT i
don't know if they could handle the competition you, know
in The Horizon league as you see The university Of
cincinnati does in The Big. Twelve it's. Tough there's a big,
separation AND i don't know if that's healthy for the.

Speaker 3 (01:52:30):
Game, YEAH i. CAN'T i can't say THAT i believe
that it's healthy for the, game you know WHAT i? Mean,
LIKE i think it's a situation.

Speaker 4 (01:52:40):
Where, teams not, teams but presidents have to figure out
what's really important to.

Speaker 3 (01:52:45):
Them where do they want to? Exist do they want
to play with the big?

Speaker 4 (01:52:50):
Boys are they content to have an extracurricular, activity but
they're not Willing they're not going to dole out the
big bucks to make it right to. ME i think
that's the decision that has to be, made, Like, hey
we're okay living in our. Bubble we're okay playing at
a lord level to give these student athletes the opportunity to,

(01:53:13):
compete but we're not going to put all of our
resources into being a top Tier division one powerful.

Speaker 3 (01:53:20):
Program there you.

Speaker 2 (01:53:21):
Go i'll leave you with. THIS antaa President Charlie bakers
Said friday night it was an exciting, moment an exciting
move for everybody in college. Sports he's a. Fool just,
On i'm gonna say he's a. Fool it's not an exciting.
Moment it's exciting moon for athletes and big time schools
because they're gonna get paid for everybody, ELSE i don't,
Think so we move. On all. Right He's Bucky. Brooks
I'm Andy. Firman we Have Fox Sports sunday And Fox Sports.

(01:53:41):
Radio now now it's the time to point. Fingers the
blame game is freaking. Next all, right the blame game
coming right. Up he Is Bucky. Brooks I'm Andy firmer
With Fox Sports sunday And Fox Sports. Radio we're live
for The Fox Sports radio. Studios and by the, way
top of the, hour about twelve minutes from now on
nine o'clock on The East coast count Down Brian, No Jeff,
schwartz And Bill krackelberger don't miss it nine am right

(01:54:04):
here On Fox Sports. Radio and before we get, Rolling,
brianna you did a wonderful. Job thank you for filling
in for our. Guy and uh what we, Say we'll
see you down the. Road i'm sure of. It right,
now let's play The blaine.

Speaker 1 (01:54:16):
Game you ruin. Me it's all your. Fault, no it's your.
Fault what it's all your?

Speaker 6 (01:54:22):
Fault maybe it's everyone's, faults the.

Speaker 1 (01:54:28):
Liar that's why there's the blame. Game let's figure out
who to.

Speaker 2 (01:54:33):
Blame, Okay, brianna let's do It.

Speaker 8 (01:54:35):
Alrighty so THE Nba finals had no logo on the,
court no solid post, game no pregame player.

Speaker 7 (01:54:41):
Intros like we talked, about who do you? Blame Andy.

Speaker 2 (01:54:43):
EUROPE i blame perhaps partially THE nba, office but also
the arena In Oklahoma. CITY i, mean come, on, really
you gotta get this. Done this is your showcase, event
it's your. EVENT i mean THE nhl they Have stanley
cover written all over the. Place they don't say it's
THE Nhl. Finals they say they're going for The Stanley.
Cup do they say they're going for The larry O'Brien. Finals,

(01:55:05):
no no one even knows this A larry O'Brian. Trophy
bad bad look for THE, Nba.

Speaker 4 (01:55:12):
Yeah real bad look for THE nba and just the
presentation of the. Game this is The, Finals this should
be a big. Deal whether you put the signage on
the floor or, not doesn't, matter but you've got to
give it a little more, life a little, more a little.

Speaker 9 (01:55:24):
Disappointing, Alrighty So i'm, Fighting, okay all right, THERE i mean, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:55:38):
Alrighty so, fighting racial and insults continue in the W.
Nba who do you, Blame, Bucky.

Speaker 3 (01:55:48):
LOOK i would say it's the.

Speaker 4 (01:55:49):
Casuals it's To johnny Cum lately, fans because they're not
the HARDCORE wnba fans that are a part of.

Speaker 3 (01:55:54):
This AND i think.

Speaker 4 (01:55:55):
Because the N, wnba particularly The Kaitlyn clark Andl, reese
has brought in so many different dynamics of people due
to the racially charged nature of two, players one, black one,
white competing to be the best player first in college
din in the pros is this.

Speaker 3 (01:56:10):
Created a lot of other stuff that is unnecessary in THE. Wnba,
Well i'll go.

Speaker 2 (01:56:16):
One step, further Because, BUCK i know you're talking about the,
fans the casual, FANS i mean these lunatics and the
drunks that are doing these two remarks that put it
on social. Media i'm gonna go one step. Further i'm
gonna SAY i think the commission needs to crap down
because they did some sort of a quote INVESTIGATION i
think on The Dallas wings and they said they found
nothing at. All this problems is pushing this, fighting the,

(01:56:37):
insults and there are some racial. REMARKS i think it's
got to be cleaned. Up basketball is a beautiful. Game
it's a wonderful. Game they got some super. Players and,
Look indiana has won like two or three games Without
Caitlin clark right, now and they got great. Players she's
not just the entire. League she's brought them to a different.
Level BUT i think the commissioner has to step, in
be a little tougher and, look you've got a great.

(01:56:58):
Game you don't need decide side shows with fights and
racery moms.

Speaker 3 (01:57:02):
Something and you're right about. That, yeah you're. Right i'm with.

Speaker 2 (01:57:08):
That thank, You thank you.

Speaker 8 (01:57:09):
Both All, righty A california high school track, champion was
disqualified for spraying her shoes with a fire extinguisher in.

Speaker 7 (01:57:16):
Celebration who do you? Blame?

Speaker 2 (01:57:18):
Andy that's something you would, do wasn't? IT i mean really?
Whoa but it's really so. FAR i mean come, ON
i mean you probably think that would be something cute to,
do right Is i'm gonna run real, fast win a
race and go after my idol and take a fire
extinguisher and blow up my shoes to show how fast
and how it was in the. Track it's stupid and

(01:57:40):
she was. Disqualified and you know How daddy came out
to The California commission, said, well everybody liked. It you know,
WHAT i could burn down a house and look real
pretty with the colors in the. Sky everybody may like.
It it's the wrong thing to. Do you don't do.
That and, Again, buck you know this as an, athlete
you know you don't take yourself better above everybody else

(01:58:00):
in an. Event you're part of the. Event do what
you gotta, do do what everybody else.

Speaker 5 (01:58:04):
Does it was.

Speaker 2 (01:58:04):
Stupid what DO i? BLAME i blame. Her even if
someone told her to do.

Speaker 1 (01:58:08):
It you did.

Speaker 2 (01:58:09):
It it was stupid to.

Speaker 4 (01:58:10):
Do, Okay having been a track athlete in, COLLEGE i
do understand the mindset because, track even though it's a team,
sport is very, individualized and she was trying to do some.
Attention there's a lot of talking and signifying and braggadocia stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:58:25):
That goes along with. It SO i understand why she did,
It but she has to understand the rules of.

Speaker 4 (01:58:30):
Engagement you cannot do that stuff if it's going to
put you In jeffardy being.

Speaker 3 (01:58:34):
Disqualified so ultimately she's a.

Speaker 2 (01:58:36):
Blamer oh, Great so don't you don't condone. It you
say you don't understand why she did, it but you're
not condoning the.

Speaker 3 (01:58:41):
Event, no, no, No i'm not condoning. It But i've seen.
It i've had.

Speaker 4 (01:58:45):
People i've had people leave their shoes in my lane
and leave their address because they, Said, hey when you
get this shoe out of your, BOOTY i want you
to be able to mail it back to, me because
that's What i'm gonna.

Speaker 3 (01:58:57):
Do like stuff like.

Speaker 2 (01:58:59):
That UNTIL i didn't know it was trash talking in.
TRACK i never knew that all.

Speaker 4 (01:59:05):
The, Time like all the time people Say i'm gonna
put my foot so deep up in, You i'm gonna
give you my address and you can mail it.

Speaker 3 (01:59:11):
Back so like there have been things that are.

Speaker 4 (01:59:14):
Done SO i, mean that's that's just a part of the,
talk the, conversation like all of the other, stuff like
that's the culture of track and.

Speaker 3 (01:59:23):
Field give me.

Speaker 2 (01:59:24):
One, more one more trash, Talk come, on buck on.

Speaker 4 (01:59:26):
More, GOD i don't have ANYTHING i think like to
realitate doing. That that being the, one but like the fire,
extinguisher the conversation to, talk the, shades what they, wear
all the other stuff like taking your shirt off immediately after,
winning the, like all of that is just part of the.

Speaker 3 (01:59:43):
Aura of being a track. Athlete SO i love. It
that's what it.

Speaker 7 (01:59:46):
Is, bucky did you have a favorite insult that you
liked to tell your?

Speaker 1 (01:59:49):
Opponents that's not that's not really my.

Speaker 2 (01:59:51):
DEAL i like, winning AND i like laughing and.

Speaker 3 (01:59:54):
SIGNIFYING i didn't do a lot of, talking BUT i
do enjoy all of, that all of.

Speaker 4 (01:59:59):
That this is just kind of part of the, flare the,
flare the feel for. It there's an arrogance that comes
along with.

Speaker 2 (02:00:04):
It all, right bre you got anything, Else we're wrapping it.

Speaker 7 (02:00:08):
Up you're, up, Great John, guy thank, you, well.

Speaker 2 (02:00:11):
Thank, you thank you for such a great job at
the spur of the. Moment it really is And god bless.
You have a great. Day we'll see everybody next. Week
stay tuned for countdown right here On Fox Sports.

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