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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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(00:21):
The Countdown starts nine live from the Fox Sports Radio studios.
Here's Brian no, Rich Hornberger and Shared Smith.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
Oh what is going on? Welcome in here, Happy Saturday, Helpe.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
You had a pleasant fourth saw some fireworks, ate some
hot dogs.

Speaker 4 (00:42):
You know.

Speaker 3 (00:42):
I had a couple of dogs and I put ketchup
on them. That's right for anybody who has an issue
with that. I don't understand how that became such a
bad thing. But good morning, Rich, Good morning Jared. I
am proudly ketchup guy when it comes to hot dogs. Sorry,
I don't need relgis, I don't need mustard, I don't
need this. I don't need that. Ketchup's fine. I don't

(01:03):
know why that becames so weird. Don't get it.

Speaker 4 (01:05):
Listen. You know there's a lot of grown men who
eat trick cereal wearing their batman or in the kitchen,
and we get that, Brian, we get no. Listen, I'm
I'm kind of agnostic to this debate as well. I
don't really care if you do, if you don't. I've
had ketchup on a dog, usually it's with mustard as well.

(01:27):
I've had a hot dog with nothing on it, I mean,
a naked wiener. If you will wow, wow, it does
it doesn't, It doesn't matter to me. Yeah, thank you,
thank you.

Speaker 5 (01:40):
I think uh, I think we You know, our forefathers
are our ancestors, right they they fought for freedom in
this country. There you go, get you can have whatever.
You can have whatever topping on your hot dog you want.
I personally am more of a spicy, mustard and crowd guy,
but I'm a New.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
York Oh so that's the way that I roll.

Speaker 5 (02:02):
Although I don't eat a lot of hot dogs these days.
Last night I had steak and eggs.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
Pretty much.

Speaker 5 (02:07):
I eat steak and eggs for dinner most nights. It's
pretty much all I ate these days. So no hot
dogs for me. Yeah, I had a delicious sirline. Though
Jack bought out some.

Speaker 3 (02:17):
It was great, like, here you go, Jack Padgers, you're
twenty five percent, you know, like your agent fee or
something like that. Yet, Chrissy Teagan, you know, the wife
of John Legend. She tweeted it best where she was like,
yucking someone else's yum is so unbecoming, soe of the best.

Speaker 4 (02:37):
Tweets of all time.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
Hot dog, Yeah, exactly what, I don't get it.

Speaker 3 (02:40):
Anyway, we had greatness return yesterday in the form of
Joey Chestnut.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
Huh. The guy scarfed down seventy and a.

Speaker 3 (02:51):
Half hot dogs, stayed under He was apologetic afterward.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
It was unbelievable.

Speaker 3 (02:58):
It was a little taste of a Joey Chestnut yesterday
on ESPN with.

Speaker 6 (03:02):
Seventy point five hot dogs and buns in ten minutes,
the Nathan's famous fourth of July Champion of the World,
Joey Chestna.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
Yes, it was a shout out George ja that announcer.
Guy's great. He's amazing man, he really is, and he
has like a real job. During the year I read
about it. It was a story about it. He's like
he's like some kind of real estate guy.

Speaker 4 (03:28):
I don't know, a venarian for an aquarium. And then
and then all of a sudden, whatever you a marine biologist.
But then he's also Joe Chestnut, the Cody Island hot
dog eating contest hype man like it's he does an
incredible job.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
Yeah you want, and it's really good.

Speaker 3 (03:46):
It is pretty crazy because seventy and a half hot
dogs in ten minutes is insanity. That's forty thousand calories
right there. And I love this. He's the only competitor
to eat seventy plus dogs all time. He's the only guy,
and he's done it seven seven times. Now he's done.
He's the only guy. And afterwards he's like, I wish

(04:08):
I ate a couple more. Sorry, guys, he knows the number.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
He knew the number. He knew it.

Speaker 4 (04:13):
Oh yeah, yeah, he knew how many people had the
over Also because a lot of people who felt like
because he was, you know, obviously flagged for having this
outside sponsorship going with the Vegan Dogs last year, had
his own hosted his own online streaming hot dog or
fake hot dog eating contest. I guess all hot dogs

(04:35):
are fake. I mean it's just the the the parts
that are left over after making real food that they
stuff inside that pork sheath. But either way, it's it's amazing.
He comes back with a vengeance and still feels like
there's more he could have done. What a hero He's
a legend. I love Joey Chestnut.

Speaker 3 (04:55):
Yeah, and that's his seventeenth Mustard Belt for winning the
Nature Hot Dog Eating Contest.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
That tells you what kind of topics you should be
putting on hunt.

Speaker 3 (05:03):
Though I do think it should be named the Ketchup
Belt myself. I really do think it's.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
It's not named the Ketchup Belt, it should be. It
should be named the Ketchup Belt.

Speaker 3 (05:12):
But I'll tell you what real fast that dumb leagues
do dumb things. First off, like the Nathan's Hot Dog
Eating Contest. How in the world could you not have
Joey Chestnut last year where you mentioned Richie signed with
this rival company, and they're like, what, no, not on
our watch, We'll show you Joey Chestnut. We won't have

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you part of this contest. Great move, Nathan's Hot Dog
Eating Contest. At least they came to their senses this
past year. And the other thing I'd like to ran
about right away and the top of the hour update,
it was like I think it was Steve Desager saying,
and the WNBA was off for the fourth of July.
I got a question for you. Is the NBA off
for Christmas? Is the NFL off for Christmas? Is the

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NFL off for Thanksgiving?

Speaker 2 (05:59):
No? No, oh, dumb leagues do dumb things.

Speaker 3 (06:02):
And the WNBA being off for the fourth is insanity.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
What are you doing?

Speaker 3 (06:08):
Why would you not have any games on a holiday.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
That's ridiculous.

Speaker 4 (06:14):
Yeah, I think that. I think that commissioners and executives
they get lost in their own stew like they either
start listening to the players too much, or they start
listening to the owners too much, and they don't understand
that sports aren't about the owners or the players. Now,
don't get me wrong. In many aspects it is. And

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the most important aspect is the money. Normally, sports leagues
are supposed to generate incredible fortunes of money for their
ownerships and for the players who play in those leagues.
The WNBA is still very much so in the red.
They're trying to get out of the red into the black,
you know. So they they don't have a business model

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yet that's sustainable to stand up on its own. It's
being subsidized by the NBA. And now I'm not coming
after the WNBA specifically because other sports leagues do this,
but other sports leagues are profitable. These other sports leagues
they can cut off their nose despite their face, and
they can still survive that. The WNBA is in a

(07:22):
bind here. If Major League Baseball decided not to have
July fourth games, it would be unbecoming, it would be ridiculous,
there would be outrage, but they'd be able to financially
survive it. The problem with the WNBA doing things like
this where they get lost in whatever the players want
to do or whatever the ownership. But here's the thing,

(07:42):
you got to listen to the fans. That's sports. Sports
are about the fans. It's about the butts in the seats,
It's about the eyeballs at home. If you're not paying
attention with what the fans want, eventually the fans will
stop paying attention to you. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
I don't know if there's a reason and why because
they're dumb.

Speaker 5 (08:03):
Yeah, But like there's gotta be like, yeah, like I'm
not gonna agree with some of the decisions.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
That they make.

Speaker 5 (08:10):
Maybe aren't the smartest things in the world to do.
And I'm sure we're gonna get into a lot more
w NBA, you know, cutting off their nose despite their
face later. But there's gotta be a reason, like they
they had to have done some kind of test, some
kind of like poll amongst either the fans or amongst

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either players.

Speaker 3 (08:35):
It's like, yeah, players interest, and oh you don't want
to play players, okay, And that's when you make a
dumb decision.

Speaker 5 (08:41):
Well another thing too, is and and and I'll be
honest here, baseball and July fourth go together like hot
dogs and spicy mustard.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
But I'm sorry, I.

Speaker 5 (08:55):
But but I don't think the w n B A
and July fourth has that annotation, so they might like
it's kind of one of those situations where you psych
yourself out before you actually do it. For example, you're
at the bar, pretty lady across the across the bar there,
you look over and you're before you even go over there,

(09:17):
you're like, eh, she doesn't want to talk to me,
you know, like you're already psyching yourself out of the
situation before. And who knows, maybe she does, but she's
just trying to play it cool.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
Like maybe the w NBA.

Speaker 5 (09:29):
Thinks, yeah, baseball is the July fourth holiday. We don't
want to infringe on that. We don't have enough you know,
clout yet to take that over. And baseball is an
outdoor sport. July fourth is an outdoor holiday. Basketball is
an indoor sport. People don't want to be indoors on
July fourth, So, like I understand like the logic of

(09:50):
why maybe they think they can't have games on July fourth,
But you don't know until you try. And I think
if now, granted Kate and Clark's not healthy right now,
but if she was healthy right and like, let's say
the WNBA had an outdoor game on an aircraft carrier.
Have we seen that before in college basketball?

Speaker 4 (10:13):
We have?

Speaker 5 (10:14):
Yeah, maybe they you know, Like I'm trying to think
of how could they take what if they did it
side by side with the hot Dog Eating Contest?

Speaker 2 (10:25):
What if they teamed up with the hot dog eating.

Speaker 5 (10:28):
Contest said all right, you guys go first, and then
we're gonna build an outdoor court on Coney Island and
the Liberty are going to play there against the Fever
with Caitlin Clark and Sabrina Annascue and it's gonna be
an outdoor game after the hot dog Eating Contest on
July fourth. Again, I'm just spitball here. If the WNBA
wants to hire me as a PR guy, I'm available.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
There's plenty they could come up with.

Speaker 3 (10:51):
If you want to do the aircraft carrier thing, fine,
it's been done before. But you want to do something
where it's like, let's get together with some of our partners.
Let's not put this thing on Ion. You know some
people can't find that channel. Let's get together with ESPN's
one of our partners. Hey, we want to put this
game on ABC. Let's make it either a primetime event

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or put it in a specialized window. Let's really push
this thing. Let's bump this thing up and let's get
our moment in the sun. But instead they're like, no,
we're off for a holiday. You're what other league is
off for a holiday?

Speaker 4 (11:27):
Point to step further. I'll go step further because Brian,
as as a dad, you know you want to hear
the number one complaint I have about the Fourth of July.
There's not enough for kids to do on the fourth
of July. Like so the fourth of July very patriotic.
There's parades, but I mean, do kids really have the

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attention span for parades anymore? Answer is no. I mean
the beaches are packed, but it's an amateur hour out there.
You got a lot of people who it's like the
first time they discover they can drink, and they overdo it.
I mean literally, I live.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
In Barker's Rich Sparklers. Every day we're going to the beach.

Speaker 3 (12:09):
Hey, bring the sparklers, you know, Yeah, we're going to
the parade and bring this Parkler's.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
Sparklers.

Speaker 4 (12:15):
Trust me, we had sparklers. It didn't help cover up
the fact that there was a gentleman about two beach
blankets over vomiting next to the water, Like it's just
that's the but but that's it. That's what it is.
That's what it's become. And listen, that's fine. But you
want to do something special, w n b A. You
want to start, you know, capturing the hearts and minds

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of the next generation, the one that's going to potentially
pay your bills and potentially help you get out of
the black or excuse me, get into the black, you know,
and actually start making a profit for once. How about
I don't know, play games on the fourth of July
and say, as as our tribute to this this these
great states of the United States of America, every single

(13:00):
game is free admission to every child who shows up,
Like how about that. So hey, parents, we know that
there's a lot of partying going on, and you know,
if you want a safe place to bring your kids
where they can and discount the concessions and do all
those things, because guess what, you catch more flies with
honey than you do with vinegar. I mean, it's like turnout,

(13:22):
turn off the lights, close the arenas for a day
because what your your players want to go celebrate, or
your owners want to go celebrate, or the executives you
are in the league want to celebrate. Okay, yeah, you
could do that, or you could potentially capture hearts and minds.
Who knows, maybe if you do this long enough, maybe
the fourth of July becomes synonymous with the WNBA instead

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of Major League Baseball. I don't know. I'm just spitballing here.
We just started this radio show. We've been talking for
fifteen minutes, and that idea is already better than shuddering
the league for this, right.

Speaker 5 (13:55):
Yeah, Well, they had games on July fourth last year,
to be fair, yea two of them, and from what
I recall, they were pretty well attended based off what
I'm reading, I don't know why they didn't do them
this year, like I'm I'm I do it.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
I did a quick they're like chest nuts back. Oh gosh,
we can't know.

Speaker 5 (14:11):
I guess maybe I don't know, like I did, I
did a search and like actually, like one of the best,
most well a tent of games of all time when
the league started in ninety seven was on July fourth
against the Liberty and the Comets. You know, those were
two teams that had a really good streak early on
in the WNBA in the in the late nineties. So
it's not like they've never done it before. I guess

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this year maybe on Fridays the w doesn't play. I mean,
you know how the NBA has like certain nights where
they play a lot of games, But why wouldn't they
want to go out of their way to schedule one
game on July fourth?

Speaker 2 (14:46):
That just makes no sense to me. It makes zero sense,
zero sense. All Right, we're off and running.

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Speaker 2 (16:46):
All Right, so.

Speaker 3 (16:48):
We're gonna have Jared, who's gonna be feisty about one
of his teams, and you've got me, who's gonna be
feisty about one of my teams. And so you know,
hopefully there's enough time for all this feistiness because me first,
we're opinionated, and we can go we're talkers over here,

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you know. So I look at it like this, We've
got the good, the bad and the ugly. Here we
talked about the good with Joey Chestnut. He came back
with a vengeance seventy and a half hot dogs eaten
in ten minutes.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
Then we get the bad. This was a few weeks ago.

Speaker 3 (17:25):
The Knicks decided to fire right after the basketball season,
Tom Thibodau.

Speaker 2 (17:29):
Now we get the ugly.

Speaker 3 (17:30):
Not only did they fire Tim Thibodeaux, they hired Mike
Brown as the new head coach of the New York Knicks.
Woof is what I would say. The Knicks are not
any better in any way with Mike Brown as their
head coach than they were keeping Tibbs the whole time.

Speaker 2 (17:47):
You know what Mike Brown reminds me of.

Speaker 3 (17:50):
He reminds me of a former first round draft pick,
you know, and that guy doesn't work out with his
first team. He doesn't work out with the next team
or the other team, and the next team will be like, well,
he was the first round pick for a reason. Maybe
it'll work out for us, and he doesn't. That's Mike Brown.
Mike Brown is the guy. He's got spurs ties right,

(18:12):
He's on the Popovich coaching tree. Oh he was with
uh Steve Kerr and with the Warriors, and he's coached
Steph Curry and Kobe Bryant and all these guys, and
it's like, maybe he'll work with us, and he doesn't
because he never does. He's basically the Lo Kwan Treadwell

(18:33):
of coaches, right, Like, remember, Lakwan the receiver was the
first round pick. We have another team, like, hey, let's
get Lakwan, and Lakwan doesn't do jack, right, That's what
I think.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
Mike Brown is the guy got.

Speaker 3 (18:45):
Fired in once after one season in his return to Cleveland.
He got fired five games into his second season with
the Lakers.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
Five games in.

Speaker 3 (18:56):
They're like, get him out, just get him out. You
think it's gonna be sunshine and rainbow with the Knicks.
I just don't see it.

Speaker 2 (19:02):
I don't.

Speaker 4 (19:03):
Yeah, Unfortunately, I agree with you. I think this hiring
lacked imagination. I think that also, Mike Brown's half court
offense has lacked imagination his entire career. I think that's
been a fair criticism. Also, He's made plenty of playoff appearances,

(19:24):
but oftentimes his teams have underperformed in those key moments.
This obviously is a safe choice, but in New York,
safe choices don't oftentimes play well to the fan base
because they're looking for boldness. That's sort of the ethos
of that city. Obviously, my birthplace being Long Island, twenty

(19:47):
minutes from Madison Square Garden via train ride. Jared Smith
obviously born in New York as well. Like both of us,
understand that New York, the Knicks, the fans that's port
this team aren't looking for you to make safe choices.
They're looking for you to make choices that are going
to usher in a new era. And I think because

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of his reliance on a defensive identity, it feels very
similar to the Tibbs higher anyways, So I don't know
how much better they got. And you know, look not
to completely savage Mike Brown because the hiring lacked imagination,
but there's also his best years came when he was

(20:31):
tied to generational talents, you know what I'm saying, Like
Lebron James Steph Curry. Those names cut through obviously for
great reason. Both of them are first ballot Hall of
Famers as soon as they decide to retire. But the
reality is what team has Mike Brown been associated with?
Where his name, his ability elevated a roster to greater

(20:53):
heights than they would have achieved without him. I'm not
sure I can name one. So that's the reason why
there's been so much criticis isn't behind this hire? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (21:02):
I was born in Mount Saint Osbital on Madison Avenue
on a cold February night in nineteen eighty six.

Speaker 2 (21:10):
Shout out mom, she was I heard it was a
rough night. That's what she told me about that night.

Speaker 5 (21:17):
I think everyone said the same thing, like I don't
want to beat the dead horse here, like, yes, all
of these things are true. It was definitely a safe
I think safe hire is a fair adjective to use.
I think the issue that I have is not in
the hiring, it's the plan behind the firing.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
And I say this all the time.

Speaker 5 (21:41):
I think we've said this on this show, Like I've
got my Penn State group, Chad, and every time they
lose to Ohio State, everyone says, let's fire James Franklin.
And my response has always been, who are you replacing
him with? And it's not necessarily a bad thought process,
Like we can't get over the hump, what do we
get over the hump?

Speaker 2 (22:00):
Maybe it's the coach, What are you replacing him with?

Speaker 5 (22:04):
Because James Franklin's had a top ten recruiting class every
year has been at Penn State, and there are a
lot of positives to what James Franklin has done at
Penn State. I don't want to hijack this into a
Penn State conversation, but it's that line of thinking. What's
the line of thinking? What was said in the room
when the decision was made to fire Tips. Was it

(22:27):
let's fire him because we can't win, or was it
let's fire him because we have this great candidate that
we need to give a chance to. And I think
he's the guy that's gonna have or girl. In this situation,
it was almost Don Staley that is going to help
us win. And the problem that I have and this
is we do this in gambling all the time. We

(22:48):
like to criticize the result, but we don't talk about
the process. Was your process right in getting to the wager? Well,
then I can live with a bad result. In this situation,
the process was sour grapes.

Speaker 2 (23:02):
It was terrible. It was reactionary.

Speaker 5 (23:05):
It was not done in a smart way where you
could actually see, Okay, well this is what they were
trying to do. Tibbs isn't the right guy, but they
had this other guy in mind that they really wanted
to bring in, and they brought him in, and now
we're gonna give him a chance. No, it was Let's
ask Jason Kidd if he wants to leave the Mavericks.

(23:25):
Let's ask this coach if he wants to leave this team.
Let's ask Chris Finch he wants to leave toeless as
just And then you got to know from literally every coach,
including Billy Donovan with the Bulls like you literally went
completely fully down the rabbit hole of every coach that
currently has a job.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
You were told no by all of those coaches.

Speaker 5 (23:43):
Then you panicked and you asked your star, Hey, who
do you want? Well, you know my dad who used
to coach a temple. He knows Staunt Stale. Let's give
daunt Staley a call. No, that didn't work, all right,
Let's go to the guy that got fired thirty games
into a job where he basically ran a really talented
team into the ground over three years in the Sacramento Kings,

(24:04):
and we'll bring him back. And maybe because he coached
Lebron and Kobe and Staphna.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
He's gonna be good.

Speaker 5 (24:09):
Like the process here was so bad, and maybe the
result is safe. But I don't care if the result
is positive, because I think the process was absolutely awful
and I don't think it's gonna work out well.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
But what do I know.

Speaker 5 (24:24):
I'm just a dude who was born in outside a
hospital has been watching the Knicks for thirty nine years.

Speaker 3 (24:28):
Well, I don't think the result is good either. I
think they went all in with like eight three offsuit
and they didn't flop anything. There was nothing on the turn,
and they're just like.

Speaker 2 (24:39):
Oh, maybe you'll get luck in the river.

Speaker 4 (24:41):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (24:42):
They're just firing away at each stage. You know, it's
like the process sucked. I think the end results sucks.
I don't make Mike Brown out to be the worst
head coach of all time, but listen, this is New
York City, all right, And I'll tell you what. Stuff
like this will not fly. And I don't have the
stomach to play the whole thing. I can't because it's
just obnoxious. But here's a taste of him in his

(25:04):
most recent stint with the Sacramento Kings, where he was
fired by the way. But this is Mike Brown last season.

Speaker 8 (25:11):
We just need to be methodical stacking or playing the
right way. Possession after possession, after possession, after possession, after possession,
after possession, after possession, after possession, after possession after possession.

Speaker 3 (25:27):
Yeah, that's enough, he said, He said it's sixteen more times.

Speaker 4 (25:31):
Stop it? Did he really? Yes?

Speaker 3 (25:33):
He said that twenty six It's a clown show in
New York City. If he did that in New York
they would eat him alive.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
Oh my gosh, it's not just like the x's and.

Speaker 3 (25:48):
O's or whatever you want to criticize in terms of
his coaching philosophies or but stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
Oh my gosh, they will.

Speaker 3 (25:56):
It'll be open seasoned if he does any thing like
that in New York City.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
Man, But you know, I don't think it's a great move.

Speaker 4 (26:05):
There's there's there's a space for vintage. There's a space
for classics. Like I'll give you an example, there are.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
Yeah, give me time to rant about my team rich.

Speaker 4 (26:18):
We don't.

Speaker 2 (26:18):
Yeah, don't you a piece here, Let's go quick.

Speaker 4 (26:20):
I will, this will be this will be brief. You
gotta you gotta make room for for the classics, right,
we have muscle cars, you know, Detroit that we this
this country produced some of the the biggest, hulking, baddest
machines on on four wheels. But they do look out
of place in today's society. You know, when you see

(26:42):
one on the road, you're like, oh, that's really cool.
It's loud, it rumbles through a neighborhood. But if you
were in a neighborhood that was filled with muscle cars,
you would be like, what the hell is going on here?
Like this, this seems odd, Like this doesn't fit modern society.
And that's what that sound clip speaks to me. It's
like it doesn't fit the modern MBA where it's super

(27:04):
offensively driven, super data driven, like he sounds like a dinosaur. Yeah,
you can't treat the media like that anymore either, because
they will savage you and your team. You're not doing
anybody any favors. I'm not a fan of the hire.
It could go exceedingly well, they could. I don't know,
maybe the fifth times the charm. Just like Jared Road

(27:25):
in his tweet after the Mike Brown hiring was made public,
we'll see, we'll see you.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
See the New York Post pick that up. I think
I said that to you.

Speaker 5 (27:33):
So, oh yeah, I've never been in the New York
Post in my entire life. And what did it take
for me to get on the New York Post instagram
page disagreeing with Ben Stiller on the Knicks head coaching higher.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
They put my tweet.

Speaker 5 (27:48):
Which is like, this is not an upgrade, and then
underneath my tweet they showed all these reactions on each slide.

Speaker 2 (27:54):
Underneath my tweet, it's Ben Stiller.

Speaker 5 (27:55):
Doing like the fist up And I said it to
my mom and my mob quoted meet the Parrots.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
It was great. Oh what a moment that was for me.
That was an awesome moment.

Speaker 3 (28:05):
All right, Well we go from your Knicks, Jared, to
my fins, my Dolphins. So, uh, the trade that just
went down between the Steelers and Dolphins. So the Steelers
they get Jalen Ramsey, who's still a good corner, and
they get John U.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
Smith at tight end.

Speaker 3 (28:23):
Who was the only Pro bowler from the Dolphins roster
last season, the only guy. So the Steelers get Ramsey
and John U.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
Smith.

Speaker 3 (28:32):
My Dolphins get Minka Fitzpatrick, who's still a player, definitely
still a player, but it's basically a two for one
transaction and I've been blown away. I was filling in
for Ben Maller this last week and the trade went
down like that night or the day before, I can't remember,
And all these people are calling in like I like.

Speaker 2 (28:49):
This move better for the Dolphins.

Speaker 3 (28:51):
Oh my god, I'm like, you guys, realize that the
Steelers are getting two pretty good players. The Dolphins are
getting one pretty good player, right, Like, look at who
the Dolphins are. They lost a corner, they lost a
tight end, so you get Minka that offset's the corner
loss to a degree.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
But what do they have at tight end now?

Speaker 3 (29:12):
Oh, that they have Darren Waller coming out of retirement.
This is what they have at tight end, which would
be a great move. Like five years ago that this
is not an awesome movie. You look at Darren Waller
over the last three seasons before retirement, right with the
Raiders and the Giants, he only had six touchdown catches

(29:34):
in three seasons. That's twenty eight starts. That's before he
retired for a year. What do you think is gonna
happen post retirement? Like, come on, the Dolphins are not
winning this trade and it looks rough this season. The
amount of talent my Fins have lost. Tron Armstead retired,

(29:54):
Kleis Campbell, he's now with the Arizona Cardinals. We just
mentioned Jalen Ramsey, John Newsmith. It's more players that are
gone from this roster. It looks lean. I wouldn't be
surprised if the Finns are like seven to ten somewhere
in that neighborhood.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
It looks to be a long year from Miami.

Speaker 4 (30:13):
Yeah. I look for a franchise that was accused of
recently incentivizing tanking, where you had a head coach flat
out putting the organization on blast saying that, Yeah, I mean,
the owner would just walk up to me and be like, hey,

(30:35):
you know, if you lose, I'll give you money. Like
I mean, the Dolphins better be real careful with some
of these transactions because you have player discontentment, you have
a league who's already looked into and investigated this ownership
group for allegations in the past. I'm not saying I'm

(30:56):
not saying it is tanking, but some time, oftentimes, where
there's smoke, there's fire. So this this feels like a
little bit of a reboot. I don't know who's given
the marching orders. My guess is it comes all the
way from the top. But they tried real hard to
build something special in Miami. It feels like they had

(31:18):
their all in moment about two years ago with the
Tyree Kill trade and they're on the aftermath the downslide
from that, and it feels like in a very competitive
AFC East, that's getting better in some spots. You look
at Vrabel and Drake May and New England. Obviously what
the Bills have developed with Josh Allen just won the MVP,
competing for a Super Bowl in Buffalo, they might be

(31:42):
hitting the reset button. But again, if it looks like
a duck, it quacks like a duck, it waddles around
like a duck, probably a duck. It kind of feels
like the Dolphins are looking to have a pretty crummy season.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
Yeah, I forgot about that.

Speaker 5 (32:00):
Even Ross story. Thank you for reminding me.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
Rick.

Speaker 5 (32:03):
So that was the NFL suspended Mindy Dolphins owner Steven
Ross six games in the twenty twenty two season, fine
and one and a half million for violating policies related
to integrity of the game. I forgot about that. Now
that granted this was a long time ago. It was
a twenty nineteen season, but they did have to four
for the first round pick and a third round pick
and the owner. I mean, how often does the owner
get suspended like that? Is rarified air in the NFL,

(32:29):
Because as you know, Roger Goodell and his crew are
the ones that hand down the suspensions, and Goodell works
for the owners.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
It's a very awkward situation to suspend one of the owners.

Speaker 5 (32:43):
I have a unique story about Darren Waller, so I
actually know him personally. He dated one of my friends
here in Vegas last year. I tended a couple social
functions with him. I got to know him a little
bit personally over the last year. Interesting dude obviously has
been through lot. Was not expecting this definitely caught me

(33:05):
off guard. From what I was told, he was getting
into rap music and he was going to become a
rap artist. That obviously took an interesting turn off the
cliff here. I think, in a vacuum he has a
chance to succeed. I think that offense is Taylor made

(33:26):
for him. I have no idea what he has left
in the tank physically. I haven't spoken to him in
about six months, but if he has something left in
the tank. I do think that offense is right for
him because I thought John oh Smith had a good
year last year, and if you go look at Darren
Waller and you compare John oh Smith, I think Darren's bigger, faster, stronger,
But I don't know if he has anything left in

(33:48):
the tank physically.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
In his prime he was.

Speaker 5 (33:51):
It's always interesting when you take a long time off
from the game. I'm sure Rich can allude to this
and then come back.

Speaker 2 (33:58):
We'll see if he can get up to speed quick.

Speaker 5 (34:00):
But I think on paper, Brian, I'm interested to see
if Darren Waller can can contribute, but I just don't
know what he has lots to the tank physically.

Speaker 3 (34:09):
Yeah, I mean I'll be pleasantly surprised if he's putting
up numbers.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
You know me too, because he's not in his prime.

Speaker 3 (34:16):
You said it, you know, this is not five six
years ago when he's putting up huge numbers. We were
a long time removed from that and NFL years, it's
a little bit like dog years, you know, where it's
like that was only five years ago, five years ago
in like the in the NFL time in space, that's
a long time ago. I just think this it Rich

(34:38):
talked about this where I don't think this is a
tank job. I think this is oh, shoot, we're paying
our quarterback huge money now, yep, when you had too
a tongue of Iiloa on a rookie deal. It's like
having a credit card where you're like, yeah, just charge
Tyreek Hill, Yeah charge Jalen Rams, like all these bills
come do. It's really a It's like being on a

(35:00):
college campus and they're just signing kids up for credit
cards and a lot of kids.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
Don't even understand it.

Speaker 3 (35:06):
They're like, I could just buy a whole new outfit
and I don't have to pay for it right away.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
This is awesome.

Speaker 3 (35:11):
It's like, well, eventually you do, and you eventually have
to pay way more than what you originally spent on it.
But that's reality in the NFL, man, And now that
they're paying to a huge money, they're like, well, shoot,
we gotta let a lot of these guys go.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
We can't afford everybody.

Speaker 3 (35:28):
And that's what you're really seeing above all else, is
they're having to cut corners because they're all in with
a quarterback who's good but not great. And that's when
you get behind the eight ball real fast. When it's
like that. All right, We've got Rich Hornberger, Penn State,
all American, Jared Smith FSR betting analyst. I'm Brian No
coming up next the par lay platter. We'll each have

(35:51):
one leg for you. We pull it together for a
greater payout. We'll get the non theme theme I think
coming up next from Jared.

Speaker 4 (35:59):
That's on the way.

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Speaker 2 (36:36):
All right, let's do this.

Speaker 1 (36:38):
Check this out our late letter.

Speaker 3 (36:41):
All right, we go to Jared, the man with the
plan in terms of the theme for the parlay pletter,
What are we working with here, mister Smith?

Speaker 5 (36:50):
The plan for the next eight weeks is just to
get through the dog days of summer. So I have
opened the floor. It is now the choice. We have WNBA,
we have Major League Baseball, and that's pretty much it.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
You want to go win the competitive eating today.

Speaker 5 (37:09):
Yeah, Like, unfortunately we don't have a hot dog eating contest,
we don't have a you know, a pickled herring eating contest.
It's slim pickens for the next eight weeks. But hey, football,
it's soon. I'm seeing a lot of you know, sixty
five seventy ish days until we get our It's soon.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
But for the next two months, you just have.

Speaker 5 (37:28):
To grin and Barrett, we do actually a very interesting
slate in the WNBA today, and I'm gonna target this
Sparks Fever game because I think what I've learned over
the last couple of weeks.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
Kaitlyn Clark will not play.

Speaker 5 (37:40):
Again tonight, but what I've learned is this Indiana team
kind of turns into a little bit more running gun
and it's harder to kind of pick one specific player
to defend when Katelyn Clark's not on the floor. And
I've noticed listen, they dropped eighty the other day against
the Aces had a big blowout win. They went on
the road and beat Minnesota, dropped seventy four against a
good Links team, maybe the best team in the league.

(38:02):
Scored ninety four without Catlein Bark the other night against Dallas,
so they can score without Clark, and it's harder to
defend because you can't just key on one player. So
we're gonna bet the over in the Sparks Fever game tonight,
but we're gonna sell a bucket.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
We're gonna juice this parlay up. We're gonna sell. You know,
the totals won sixty three and a half.

Speaker 5 (38:22):
I bet the over there, that's fine, but we're gonna
sell three points and we're gonna go over one sixty
six and a half, which is plus one fifteen over
at bet MGM first leg of the parlay. Gonna get
it nice and juicy, free guests.

Speaker 4 (38:33):
Okay, cool, you go, WNBA, I'll go. Baseball. Dodgers' bats
have been heating up early in games at Dodgers Stadium.
They're patchy on the road, but over the past five games,
a run has been scored, whether it be the Dodgers
giving up runs or scoring runs. Since they're home against

(38:53):
the Astros. I got some trust in their bats. The
Dodgers also, they're facing this early season a demic of
injuries in the rotation in the bullpen. So give me
the Dodgers facing the Strows at home in La first pitch,
one fifteen east coast time, four fifteen in the West.
I'll take the europe Yes in a run in the
first inning. Let go.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
I'd love taking a page out of my book, Dad. Yeah,
first look at arm Burger spicy today. Shared loves the Nurpies. Yes, absolutely, buddy.
All right, I'm gonna go.

Speaker 3 (39:28):
My play is one of these where it's what if
I'm wrong, I'm wrong, and I shrugged my shoulders walking away,
like you know.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
That's why it's gambling.

Speaker 3 (39:37):
I'm gonna go with the San Francisco Giants first five.
The spread minus uh zero point five, so they basically
have to have one run lead at least YEA into
five innings. All right, it's the first five. Need the
Giants to be leading. Logan Web versus Louis seven Reno.

(39:58):
Now here's the deal, Logan Web. We know he's fantastic, right.
He faced the A's earlier this year, and his stat
line is web esque, you know what I mean, where
he gave up one earned run, scattered five hits, you know,
just a studley self eight innings, and we've got Severino
at home, who was just a grease fire. So he

(40:21):
was known for ripping the lack of home atmosphere for
the A's right, So he came out, he blasted this ballpark.
He's like, there's no air conditioning. You know, he's a
spring training feel this whole thing. And then there was
an article from Bob Nightingale at USA Today and he
cited sources that said the organization can't wait to trade

(40:46):
this guy, and then his comments are agitating the organization.
But the bottom line is in ten starts at home,
Severn Reno is zero to seven.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
His era is six seventy nine.

Speaker 3 (40:58):
Now the fine print, he did face the Giants on
the road earlier this season and pitched crat so you
have to take that into account. But he is awful
at home. I'm gonna take the Giants to have a
lead after five innings.

Speaker 2 (41:11):
You want hear some crazy? This parlay is plus six
sixty six? Whoa devils? Oh fuck god, I think it
means it's hitting.

Speaker 3 (41:21):
Yeah, Oh what is going on Happy Saturday to you.
We've got smoke and if there's also fire, these leagues
have to lower the boom that's coming.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
Your way right around the corner.

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(41:56):
in the iHeartRadio app and it'll always pop up at
the top of your screen. Okay, so we've got uh,
we've got investigations here. Okay, we've got an MLB investigation
with one guardian's pitcher who goes by the name of
Louise Orties. So the story with Louise or Tiz is

(42:18):
there was irregular betting activity.

Speaker 4 (42:21):
Oh boy.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
Okay, so we got red flags.

Speaker 3 (42:26):
The irregular betting activity was about the first pitch of
the third inning being a ball. Okay, now this has
happened twice and I know this is radio, but good Lord,
when you see the pitch like there's one pitch and

(42:46):
he just bounces it.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
Remember not not.

Speaker 3 (42:49):
Vlad Guerrero Junior that we have, right, the original Vlad Guerrero.

Speaker 2 (42:54):
Vlad Guerrero.

Speaker 3 (42:54):
I've literally seen him like golf a hit, you know,
like he'll he'll swing it. Pitches that bounced to home play.
He was the best bad ball hitter I've ever seen.
Hobby Bayaz was the one that I was thinking, Hobby,
I always think of Lad Guerrero, but vladd wouldn't have
even swung at this pitch. The first one I think
it was against the Cardinals, he just bounced it well outside,

(43:18):
not even literally, it's like five feet before home plate.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
It bounced.

Speaker 3 (43:23):
And so it's like, Okay, we get all this irregular
betting activity, the first pitch of the third inning being
a ball, and then we get these two examples where
it's like, man, that is as shady as it can get.
Now on its surface, that doesn't mean luiz Ortiz is
automatically guilty, but it certainly does not pass the smell test.

(43:44):
So he is on non disciplinary paid leave through the
end of the All Star break as MLB investigates this.
That sounds a little bit weird, right, Like, so you're
on nondisciplinary he paid leave, you're getting paid.

Speaker 2 (44:02):
You're just not playing.

Speaker 3 (44:03):
You're not allowed to be there as they It's a
weird game we're playing right where it seems like you
might have done something wrong, so you're not being disciplined
and you're still getting paid. I guess it does check
out because let's just say he's completely innocent, so it
would wouldn't be right to not get paid while you're

(44:24):
on leave, right. It just sounds so weird and it
seems so shady. It's like, wait, this guy's getting paid
the whole time. It's like, well, yeah, hey man, they
got to do their leg work here.

Speaker 4 (44:33):
Public relations, right, you know you want to do so
if this were just you know, some private business, maybe
during the course of the investigation, they suspend a guy,
they send him home. You know, he's either forced to
choose whether he wants to stay suspended or use PTO

(44:55):
or whatever it is. But this is a very public,
you know, very engaged I should say, it's a very
public league, and it's a very engaged fan base from
the standpoint of players matter, and it doesn't matter at
what point in the season. If you're going to take
a player away from a team and a player that
they're depending on the fan base or the team, well

(45:18):
you're going to have a lot of people's feathers be ruffled,
including teammates like, Hey, you know, is this guy accused
of anything? No, then how the hell are we missing him?
And how the hell is he missing his pay? Then
you get the union involved in all these other aspects.
But I do agree with you, Brian, like they're smoke
right now, and oftentimes where they're smoke, there's fire. It's

(45:39):
not hard to see how there could be a tight
connection between the fact that there's an absurd amount of
bets coming in on the first pitch of the third
inning being a ball, and it just so happens that
he absolutely duffed the first pitch of the third inning
and either consecutive games or at least in those clips
that I saw, and I saw the same clips you did,

(46:01):
you know what the funny thing was because of how
ridiculous the ball looked leaving his hand. I thought, originally
when I saw the video without context, I thought he
was one of these spidertack guys. I thought he was
being investigated because he was using the sticky stuff and
he was using too much of it or something on
his fingertips and the ball got stuck. And so then

(46:21):
when I further read, I was like, oh, this is ridicous. Like,
so if every pitch that leaves this guy hand looks
pretty good, pretty normal, and then all of a sudden
started at third, he has an absurd ball. I'm just saying,
it gets awfully smoky out there. So this this feels

(46:42):
like a very pr move for the league. Hey, we're
still paying them, but he's got to step away until
the investigation concludes, and then he can return. If we
find there's no foul play, he can return, but we
gotta do our due diligence. I'm very curious what this
investigation reveals.

Speaker 5 (46:58):
It's gonna reveal that he unfortunately paid someone or had
someone in his circle, you know, make these bets.

Speaker 2 (47:06):
I think that's what it's going to reveal.

Speaker 5 (47:08):
I think it's pretty obvious based on the evidence, right, Like,
I'm not trying to be a prosecutor here, but there's
a reason that these guardrails are in place. I see
three sixty is the Integrity Firm used to be US integrity.
It's basically a watchdog firm that monitors all of the markets.
This is how we remember at the Red Stadium, when
that guy was betting on college baseball, he knew the

(47:29):
starter was going to be out yeah on Friday night.
This is the exact same firm that triggered that. Because
when a significant amount of money gets placed on a
random college baseball game, it's going to put off some
red flags. When a significant amount of money gets placed
on whether or not the first pitch of a random
inning in a random baseball game is going to be

(47:50):
a ball, it is going to put off some red flags.
This is the system working properly. The argument that I've heard, well,
you know all these ads for MGM and all these
ads for all these gambling sites, it's gruining sports.

Speaker 8 (48:07):
Now.

Speaker 5 (48:08):
It would be happening even if these sites weren't legal.
Go look at the history of sports and gambling. It's
happened many times over the years, way before BETMGM was legalized.
When PASTA was repealed in twenty eighteen, it's happened numerous times.

(48:29):
This now is a way for us to catch the
bad actors. The legalized markets are actually serving as the
police force here, and there will always be bad actors
whether or not gambling is legal or not. People will
always try to skirt the system, cheat the system, and
make money. But blaming this on legalized gambling is not

(48:52):
the right approach. It's just not And I'm not saying
that everything we do in the gambling space is right.

Speaker 2 (48:59):
I wish that there were less ads. I wish that
there were less this.

Speaker 5 (49:02):
I wish that we had a little bit more control
over some of the situations. But when you bet responsibly,
and that's why we say this all the time on
the show, please bet responsibly, You're not going to get
into trouble when you try to cheat. We now have
a system in place that's gonna catch you because we
know if you're betting a lot on a random problem.

(49:24):
That's how John tay Porter got caught. This is kind
of how Malik Beasley got caught, although his situation was
drastically different. He was in way deep with the wrong
people and he had to fight his way out. Luis
Artiz could have gotten away with this, probably for years,
if he just did it small right, A few hundred
bucks here, a few hundred bucks there, every start grand

(49:48):
or so but he went big. These guys get greedy
and that's how you get caught.

Speaker 3 (49:54):
Well, yeah, we go from Louis Ortiz to Malik Beasley
and you alluded to this, Jared, where if you think
of Luis Ortiz, it's an MLB investigation, Malik Beasley, this
is not an NBA investigation. This is a federal investigation.
So the stakes are.

Speaker 4 (50:11):
Raised over here.

Speaker 5 (50:12):
You know.

Speaker 3 (50:13):
This was Sham Sharania describing what's going on with Beasley
on Sports Center.

Speaker 2 (50:18):
Check this out.

Speaker 9 (50:19):
Serious development for one of the NBA's top free agents
right now. Sources tell me the US District Attorney's office
is investigating Detroit Pistons guard Malik Beasley on allegations of
gambling on NBA games and prop bets. I am told though,
that Beasley and the Pistons were in serious talks on
finalizing a three year, forty two million dollar contract that

(50:40):
would have brought Beasley back to Detroit.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
But now those talks are on pause.

Speaker 9 (50:44):
Talks around the league likely on pause for Malik Beasley
as well.

Speaker 3 (50:50):
Man, we're talking at forty two million dollar contract extension.
He was just raining threes last season for the Pistons
and now that's all on pause as waiting to find
out what happened. Now, these allegations are from the twenty
three to twenty four season when Beasley was with the Bucks.
And I'll tell you what. The highlight tape doesn't look great.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
It does not look great.

Speaker 3 (51:11):
It reminds me remember when Patrick Beverly described Chris Paul
as a traffic cone, you know, like a traffic cone
just sits there and doesn't play defense.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
That's what Pat BEV said.

Speaker 3 (51:23):
That's exactly what Malik Beasley is doing. There's one highlight
against Halliburton when the Bucks are playing the Pacers and
Beasley's down, he's playing defense. He's in his stance and
Halliburton just goes right by and he doesn't move. He's
still in his stance guarding air. And it's like, oh

(51:44):
my gosh, Maleak like, we gotta at least make look
reasonable over here, right, So we'll see when it uncovers.
And I'll tell you this real fast is this could
go two very different ways. Terry Rozier, he was under
federal investigat there were unusual betting patterns and they looked

(52:05):
into it and they were like, yeah, everything checks out.
Hasn't been charged with the crime, not facing any sanctions.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
I didn't get dropped the case. Actually yeah.

Speaker 3 (52:13):
Now the other side is John tay Porter banned for life.
Yeah yeah, that did not get dropped. So it looks
like it could go one of very too different one
of two very different ways. From Elik Beasley here right, yeah.

Speaker 4 (52:28):
Here, here's the problem. From Malik Beasley or or Tease
or anybody who is trying to game the system. So
it's not a game. It's a system. That's what you
gotta remember. You're not playing a game when you're gambling.
There have been eyes and brains and mathematicians and statisticians

(52:52):
and people who study probability to the nth degree finding
out every single edge there there is able to be found.
Everything that you could possibly discover about any bet has
already been discovered by people smarter than you. So if
you're criminal who's trying to make money by illegally betting

(53:14):
on a game, trust me, they're gonna find you. They're
gonna find you because that's the whole system. The whole
system is crunching the numbers to infinitesimal decimal places, and
they are finding every single edge, so that even in
the fairest of games. The house always wins that because

(53:34):
when the numbers bear out. You know, somehow you got
to pay to air condition a desert in Nevada, right,
you know, so you're you're never gonna go to a
casino and ten times out of ten leave a winner.
It's just not how it works. So whenever there's you know, uh,
you know, I mean, think back to the nineteen nineties

(53:55):
with the matrix where the green numbers are. They're streaming
down the screens. As soon as they see a glitch
in the matrix, they're gonna find it. They're going to
link it back to whoever is responsible for that glitch,
and they're going to open an investigation. There's a lot
of people saying sports betting is ruining sports.

Speaker 8 (54:14):
No.

Speaker 4 (54:14):
I think the fact that there are more eyes paying
attention to sports betting than ever before is making sports cleaner.
Because you can't for a second lie to me and
tell me that sports betting or illegal gambling on sports
where players were involved, wasn't happening at many points over
the past one hundred years or two. You know, for

(54:35):
as long as sports have been organized and played. What's
happening is our investigations are getting smarter because you're allowing
more outside voices who know better involved in cracking down
on this. So you're going to see steeper penalties you porter,
being example, the lifetime ban. You're gonna see more people
getting caught, especially on the front edge of this, and

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then either the criminals are gonna have to are getting smarter,
or they're gonna have to find a different system to
try to game because this one's almost impenetrable.

Speaker 5 (55:08):
It goes back to the drunk driving argument. I've used
this on the show before. I'll do it again. Last
year thirteen over thirteen thousand people died in alcohol related crashes.
Thirteen thousand. We're talking about what three athletes here? Over
thirteen thousand people died in alcohol related crashes. Do you
hear anything about going back to prohibition. We should get

(55:30):
rid of alcohol. No more alcohol. Too many people are
dying in drunk driving crashes. No, that that's not the argument.
The argument is if you drink, don't drive, that's it.
That's what I see on all the billboards. I don't
see any billboards asking us to go back to prohibition.

(55:53):
I see don't drink and drive, don't rig games.

Speaker 2 (55:59):
Don't bet on.

Speaker 5 (56:00):
That you're playing in. It's in every single locker room
in Major League Baseball.

Speaker 2 (56:05):
I have a pal.

Speaker 5 (56:05):
Cody Decker does some work with us. He used to
play baseball right now. He does a bunch of shows.
He says it all the time.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
First time I walked into a locker room. What does
it say in baseball? Don't gamble on the games? Yeah,
if you're.

Speaker 5 (56:19):
Gonna break the rules, you're gonna be fine. You're gonna
be suspended, you're gonna be punished.

Speaker 4 (56:26):
We see this all the time, like the art.

Speaker 5 (56:28):
It's just people who don't like gambling, and that's fine.
You don't have to like gambling. Brian likes to ketchup
on his hot dog. It's fine.

Speaker 4 (56:34):
It's America.

Speaker 2 (56:35):
You can do whatever you want.

Speaker 5 (56:37):
But that doesn't mean I who don't like ketchup on
the hot dog, is gonna ban ketchup on the hot dog.

Speaker 2 (56:43):
No, it's free country.

Speaker 4 (56:44):
Do whatever you want.

Speaker 5 (56:45):
Gambling's legal in this country. Do it responsibly. We do
it responsibly on the show every single week. When I
bet it's fifteen hundred bucks here, that's my limit. That's
about what I put on a game. If I'm putting
a grand on a game, it's gonna raise some red flags, like, wit,
what's going on over there with Jared. He's a little
desperate today. You know, it's just know your limits and

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don't exceed them.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
And that.

Speaker 5 (57:09):
The drunk driving example, to me, is always the one
that shuts people up when they're like, well, legalize gambling
is ruining sports. Oh really, what about legalized drinking? Is
it ruining driving? No, Over thirteen thousand people die and
alcohol related crashes every year.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
You want to get rid of drinking.

Speaker 5 (57:23):
And then they look at me like, oh, I don't know, yeah,
because that's not the argument. You're taking apples and you're
comparing them to oranges. It's a completely different argument. So
obviously these are two bad apples here, Louis Ortiz and
Malik Beasley.

Speaker 2 (57:36):
The Malik Beasley story is way off the rails.

Speaker 5 (57:39):
I don't even think that this has to do with
gambling as much as this guy just got in with
the wrong people and he tried to do anything possible
to work his way out of trouble, and this was.

Speaker 2 (57:48):
His only option.

Speaker 5 (57:49):
The Louis Ortiz thing, I think is an isolated incident,
and I think it'll be handled accordingly.

Speaker 3 (57:55):
Well, here, I'll say two things as quickly as possible.
I hate when I hear, oh, these leagues are so hypocritical.
They're in bed with draft Kings and bet MGM and
fan duel, and then they're gonna punish players for gambling.
I think that's the dumbest argument ever. Of course, it's

(58:17):
not hypocritical. Like think about this. Okay, they they're in
bed with alcohol, you know, companies as well. So because
they have a sponsorship deal agreement with michelob Ultra, are
they not supposed to punish someone who drives drunk?

Speaker 2 (58:35):
Are they hypocritical for them? Of course not.

Speaker 3 (58:37):
You think that a player can be like, hey, you
got a deal with bud Light and he just walks
into a team meeting shotgunning of beer.

Speaker 2 (58:44):
Like, no, that's not hypocritical.

Speaker 3 (58:48):
Like just because there are partnership agreements between let's say
the NBA and these sports books, it doesn't mean players
can just bet openly on the sport they play. That's
ridiculous to even think that's hipocritical. But I see that
all the time. It's got to stop. That is not hypocritical.

(59:10):
The other part is, yeah, Well, the other part is.
I think that these leagues they have to channel their
inner Lou Holtz. Okay, Lou Holtz, most notably head coach
the Notre Dame Fighting Irish and I'll never forget as
a kid, it happened routinely where they're playing this big
Bowl game and it's like, hey, they're stud running back.

Speaker 2 (59:29):
He's just not playing in this game, and you're.

Speaker 3 (59:30):
Like why not, and Lou would be like, well, because
he suspended himself. That's why you know they and you
just suspend him if you did something wrong, you're just
not playing.

Speaker 4 (59:41):
That's that.

Speaker 3 (59:42):
I think that's what MLB, with the NBA, the NFL,
that's what they have to do.

Speaker 2 (59:47):
You can't have.

Speaker 3 (59:48):
A Malik Beasley situation and just be like, yeah, he
suspended for a year, And you can't bet on your
own sport and change the outcome of games because you're
on the under of your parlay bet or your prop
bet or what.

Speaker 2 (01:00:03):
You can't have that. You can't have that as a league.

Speaker 3 (01:00:06):
You can't have outcomes being tinkered with. They have to
be gone Audio smuchachos. They get the John tay Porter
treatment because as soon as you start the kid.

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
Gloves treatment of well, and this and that.

Speaker 3 (01:00:21):
No, no, no, no, you're just gonna have more of it.
I think I think going strong on the on the
punishments is the only way to go because you cannot
have this whatsoever. We've got rich Oren Berger cot.

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
You with me on that, Rich Oh yeah, yeah, I
think we're all in agreement on this one.

Speaker 5 (01:00:39):
Guys. There you go.

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while we're talking betting, how about the Milwaukee Bucks making
a monstrous bet over here. So they came to an
agreement with Damian Lillard where they agreed to a buyout.

(01:01:52):
Are they're gonna buy out the rest of his contract.
We're talking to a tune of about one hundred and
thirteen million dollars. They're gonna buy them out, and they're
going to pay him well. They're going to pay him
over the next two years, but they're able to stretch
out the salary cap hit over the next five seasons.
So it's basically going to be like a fifteen percent
hit for them each of the next five years while

(01:02:15):
they pay Dame. So Dame can go wherever he wants.
It's a great situation for him. He's loving this. He
can go sign with whatever team, and whatever money he
signs for will offset the money that the Bucks owe
him contractually. So that's another interesting detail as well. He's

(01:02:36):
not going to be making any more money. Let's say
he makes ten million dollars, Well, you just subtract ten
million from the one hundred and thirteen million that the
Bucks owe him, right, so he's still getting the same cash.
So if Dame is smart about this and he's a
savvy guy, right, he's going to sign for low, low,

(01:02:57):
low and being a a great spot to chase a championship,
right to compete for a championship.

Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
The only other part of that I want.

Speaker 3 (01:03:06):
To go down too far thatst road is if he
signs for so little, well, the next time that he
signs a deal like someone's gonna want him on the
cheap as well. So that's something to watch down the road.
What Dame signs for. But the Bucks, they agree to
the buy out with Damian Lillard so they could sign
Miles Turner. They get Miles Turner from the Indiana Pacers

(01:03:30):
and they've got him under contract.

Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
He signs for one hundred and seven million.

Speaker 3 (01:03:35):
Dollars over four years, and so they make this huge
bet on Miles Turner so that they can hopefully keep
Giannis on board, and hey, man.

Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
The Bucks have been ultra aggressive over the years.

Speaker 3 (01:03:51):
When Giannis is like, I don't know, I don't know
for a championship contenders over here, It's like, let's get
True Holiday. And then Giannis is like, you know, we
gotta be in championship mode, and they're like, all right,
we'll trade Drew, Let's get Damian Lillard over here. And
then Yanna sticks around, and now the latest is buying
out Dame, getting Miles Turner, and they're like, all right, Yannis, right, good, huh,

(01:04:14):
We're good, were good.

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
It's a huge bet, and.

Speaker 3 (01:04:17):
They gotta get Yannis to re up or stay there
at least uh or this is all or not man,
huge gamb.

Speaker 4 (01:04:24):
Yeah, yeah, huge gamble by the Bucks. We'll see if
it pays off for them for a couple different reasons.
Because if Yannis stays and he becomes your guy, you
also you put yourself in a situation where Dame knew
that Yannis knew that this was coming, and so there's

(01:04:44):
no loyalty in business. I understand that, but this does
feel a little extra dirty a little bit, you know.
So there's an awareness there for any free agents who
are looking for a new landing spot, and if Milwaukee
is one of those suits, potentially, if Giannis is still
the star there, you know that he's not going to

(01:05:05):
be necessarily loyal to you. He's going to be loyal
to whatever's best for Giannis, and I think that's not
always true with superstars. Obviously, Steph Curry made a lot
of room for Durant when he came to Golden State,
and I think Lebron at times has shown the capacity
to share the wealth in order to achieve the dream,

(01:05:28):
but not every star feels that way, and Yannis clearly
is on the opposite side of that spectrum. Dame Look,
he felt like he was done dirty by Portland, you know,
he felt like they were grooming, you know, his replacement
in the draft and then eventually got shipped out. Didn't
want to be in Milwaukee in the first place. You
heard some of the early things that he said about

(01:05:50):
Milwaukee being boring and and all that stuff. I think
when you really close your eyes and you think about
what this has done. From an end a storyline, this
is like a villain origin story. I feel like Damian
Lillard is now going to be like this vigilante mercenary,
going from team to team to team, just making all

(01:06:11):
those who've crossed him pay. It's gonna be a very
interesting finish to to a very bright star's career. I'm
curious where it heads from here.

Speaker 5 (01:06:22):
Yeah, I'll be honest. I love it for Dame. I mean,
day must have. You know, what's the what's the card
and monopoly bank error in your favor, collect five hundred dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:06:33):
Right when you're on the chance.

Speaker 5 (01:06:35):
Card there Like this is this is about as good
as it get. Wait a minute, Like just imagine your
Dame for a minute. You're injured, you're rehabbing, you're probably
in a bad mood. You get the call from your agent.
All right, Dame, Hey, listen, the Bucks are gonna pay
you all of your money over the next five years,

(01:06:57):
and you can go rehab and sign wherever you want,
and you're still gonna get paid top dollar from Milwaukee.
And the team that signs you does not have to
pay you top dollars, so they get to take a
low risk flyer on a all star caliber player like
Dame must have been like, nah, come on, I'm being punked.

Speaker 2 (01:07:14):
Where's Ashton Kutcher? Here?

Speaker 5 (01:07:17):
Awesome situation for for Lillard. And you know the next
story is where does he sign? I've heard Celtics, Warriors, Lakers, like,
all these teams are interested, and I mean I wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (01:07:26):
I don't blame them.

Speaker 5 (01:07:27):
I'd be interested too if I get to basically pay
the veterans minimum for a player of Dame Lillard's caligar,
even though he is obviously having to rehab on the
other side of the aisle. Yeah, Like, I think the
next story we're gonna hear is the honest seeks trade.
Like that feels like the next you know, like if

(01:07:49):
you had to like peer into the future, right, it's
maybe along the lines of Giannis missing games, load management,
blah blah blah, he's not happy blah blah blah.

Speaker 2 (01:07:58):
And then the last story will be.

Speaker 5 (01:08:02):
Asks Milwaukee for trade and then his you know, diatribe
to the fans like, listen, guys, I tried. They decided
to wave all the players that I liked and bring
in players that aren't gonna help us, and now my
hands are tied to I have to leave, and I don't.

(01:08:22):
I don't think that's one hundred percent certain, I think
that's probably like the favorite right now.

Speaker 2 (01:08:28):
I think the other side of this is maybe maybe.

Speaker 5 (01:08:32):
Milwaukee eventually gets another player and keeps Yanna's happy. But
the path that we're on right now, Brian is a
very much a Dame Good Yanni's bad path.

Speaker 4 (01:08:46):
Well.

Speaker 3 (01:08:46):
Yeah, it's funny because at first I'm like, man, they
just did Dame like that, like they're just gonna kick
him to the curb. And then it's like, this is
a great, great thing for Dame, no doubt, because remember,
originally he wanted to go to Miami. He's trying to
force his way to Miami from Portland, and there's some
red tape and that's not the best deal for Portland,

(01:09:09):
and he couldn't go where he really wanted to go.

Speaker 2 (01:09:12):
And now he can.

Speaker 3 (01:09:13):
They can go wherever he wants to go, and so
that's that's a great deal for Dame. He's probably gonna
rehab closer to family for the most part of the time,
and he's able to choose wherever he wants to go.

Speaker 2 (01:09:25):
So that's a great situation for Dame.

Speaker 3 (01:09:28):
I just think with Gianni it's gonna be really interesting
what he decides to do because he's made it very
very clear over the years, He's like, look, man, I
need to win a championship. He said, what's this quote?
He's like, winning a championship comes first. I don't want
to be twenty years on the same team and don't
win another championship. He's made it very very clear he

(01:09:50):
wants to win another ring. And if you're looking, you know,
honestly at the supporting cast of the Bucks right now
is not a whole lot to write home about. And
I'll put it this way. Milwaukee is lost in the
first round each of the last three years. With better
supporting casts. What do you think is gonna happen?

Speaker 2 (01:10:09):
Now?

Speaker 3 (01:10:09):
I know we can look at it and be like,
the East is wide open. Look at the injuries to
the Pacers. Pacers lost Halliburton and they lost Miles Turner
to free agency to the Bucks. And you look at
the Celtics without Tatum. So there's this idea it's wide
open in the East, and it's like, there's still a
lot of competition if you're a supporting cast, isn't that good?

(01:10:29):
Just like Milwaukee's where Cleveland is still gonna be a roadblock.
You look at what Atlanta has done this offseason, They've
beefed up what they have really well Philly, if they're healthy,
Detroit will see with.

Speaker 2 (01:10:43):
Gambling Malik Beasley.

Speaker 3 (01:10:45):
You know, the Knicks are gonna be there, Orlando is
gonna be in the mix. Boston still is gonna be feisty.
So there's a lot of competition, a lot more than
you originally think from Milwaukee's perspective. And if Giannis is
all about winning a championship, that's not the best place
for him to do. So it just isn't a sporting
cast isn't good enough.

Speaker 4 (01:11:06):
I think it would be very funny if Dame took
this opportunity to look around the league and think, all right,
who's a team that's young that maybe has some room
for upward trajectory. And also it could really sting the Bucks.
Like imagine if he signed with the Bulls for like
a real cheap contract.

Speaker 2 (01:11:27):
You know, just crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:11:30):
I mean, it will never happen, but I just I
just keep thinking about this through the lens of Damian Lillard,
who you know he can sign up and most likely
will sign up with a team with you know, a
younger cast of characters, where a savvy veteran who can
who can help along some of that that group's ambition

(01:11:53):
and sort of crystallize the vision a little bit. And
that's mostly like what he'll do. You know, it's likely
he'll find a contender and he'll probably sign something less
than you know, something less than what he would deserve
on the open market as a free agent. But in
this situation, I just keep thinking, like, how funny would

(01:12:15):
it be if he just tried to twist a knife
a little bit, like, you know, sign up with Chicago,
an arch rival of the Milwaukee Bucks, and try to
just like just be a thorn in the side of
the Bucks for a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:12:27):
It'd be probably right supporting.

Speaker 4 (01:12:31):
So the Calves perfect example of a team who's young, feisty,
they're they're they're making some headway and some noise in
the East. Like that's a team that I could see
him potentially signing with.

Speaker 2 (01:12:41):
Yeah, Cleveland would be interesting.

Speaker 5 (01:12:44):
I mean I would say there's four teams that come
to mind immediately, Miami, Golden State, Boston, LA. Those are
like I if I I would be shocked if it's
not one of those four teams.

Speaker 2 (01:12:57):
But yeah, Cleveland, I mean they just.

Speaker 5 (01:13:00):
The problem with Cleveland is they just picked up Lonzo Ball,
which is actually a very intriguing trade for Cleveland. If
Lonzo Ball can stay healthy, I think he can help
Cleveland a lot. Because you're right, Brian, like the East
is wide open. I think it's more wide open on
paper than it actually is, right right, Like I know it.
Lanta's getting some love in Orlando, and I would I

(01:13:23):
be surprised if Atlanta or Orlando we're in the NBA
Finals next year. Yeah, I honestly would be. I think,
as crazy as it sounds, I do.

Speaker 2 (01:13:33):
Think the Knicks are still in the mix.

Speaker 5 (01:13:35):
And it would be ironic if they made it to
the finals because every single person on this network and
everywhere else is poo pooing the Mike Brown deal, and
rightfully so. But it would be ironic if they made
it to the finals with Mike Brow that would be
really fun, and then lost to the Nuggets, probably in
the West. Yeah, I think those are my four, right,

(01:14:00):
I'll say it July fifth, I'll give you the answer
right here to the tust. It's gonna be either Miami,
Golden State, Boston or the Lakers. That's where Dame will
end up. One of those four teams.

Speaker 2 (01:14:11):
Could be right.

Speaker 3 (01:14:12):
The thing is when he could sign on the ultra cheap,
that changes the math entireles agreed, right, Like the Cavs
are completely maxed out, capped out.

Speaker 2 (01:14:22):
They're in the Apron territory right now, right.

Speaker 3 (01:14:26):
Like they have no room. But if Dame's like, yeah,
give me league minimum, I don't. I don't want the
Bucks to get a discount over here. You know, he
could literally do that. That's like I don't want them to.
I don't want to sign for thirty million dollars and
now they're off the hook for thirty million.

Speaker 2 (01:14:43):
No, give me the league minimum.

Speaker 5 (01:14:44):
No, he's gonna take the league. He's gonna make the
Bucks pay. I would make the Bucks pay.

Speaker 3 (01:14:49):
If I was him that that's yeah. So the less
he takes, the more the Bucks have to pay. But
the only thing is better.

Speaker 4 (01:14:55):
Yeah, the better roster he'll potentially go to because cost
saving for the team you're going to. That's right.

Speaker 3 (01:15:02):
So if he plays it like that, then the NBA
is his oyster. He can go anywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:15:08):
What a wild move.

Speaker 5 (01:15:10):
This has been a week and I know people are
saying free agency is dead because of the second Apron.

Speaker 2 (01:15:14):
We had some very heads We had some met scratchers,
we had some head scratches.

Speaker 3 (01:15:18):
We had some movement, we had some real movement. I
thought it was interesting. That was an interesting free agency.
We'll get to that a little bit in the next
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Speaker 2 (01:15:33):
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Carlos Rodan Subway series today, Mets and Yankees exciting game yesterday,
close game Mets won. Yankees been in a tailspin lately.
But we're gonna go over seventeen.

Speaker 2 (01:17:42):
And a half outs today.

Speaker 5 (01:17:44):
And it's not that I think, you know, Rodan's been
awesome this year. He's been good, not great, he's been good,
But this is a bet on or I guess, maybe
against the Yankee bullpen, which has been completely taxed. Stroman
only went five innings yesterday. Two days ago Clark Schmidt
lasted three innings and then he was placed on the il,
and then three days ago Will Warren only went four innings.

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So over the last three days and there's been no
days off for the Yankees, their bullpen has been taxed
to the highest degree.

Speaker 2 (01:18:11):
So I think Aaron Boone is going to be very
liberal with the pitchcount today.

Speaker 5 (01:18:15):
I'm Carlos Horddan and the Mets surprisingly great offense overall,
but not great against lefties, actually dead last in WRC
plus over the last thirty games against South Pause and
they don't strike out a ton. So I think Rodan's
got a chance to go six innings today and that's
all we need, right give us six innings over seventeen
and a half ouns. You need to get eighteen outs,

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which is six innings, and I feel comfortable because of
the bullpen that he'll have a very long leash today.

Speaker 4 (01:18:42):
Okay, taking you to the w NBA. Sometimes a loss
leads to a gain that'll make sense in a moment.
Aery McDonald guard for the Indiana Fever. She's scored twelve
points or more in her last five games. She's averaging
eleven point three points per game this regular season. And
here's where the loss fleets to her game came when

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Clark remained sidelined with that groin injury. Some more of
a focus on her being a prominent scorer in this
Fever offense. I'm gonna take Harry McDonald going over ten
and a half points tonight as the Fever take on
the La Sparks in Indiana. Right.

Speaker 3 (01:19:21):
I'll tell you what, man, I have discontinued my betting
on the Indiana Fever. I am sitting the Fever out
for the foreseeable future. Anything I do with that freaking
team is wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:19:38):
Ide him the other nine against the Aces. I did
fade him the other night. I bet I bet, oh dude,
that was starting. I'll tell you what I never created
Kelsey Plumb. That was a bad movie.

Speaker 4 (01:19:53):
I'm gonna flip it for us. I'm gonna flip it
for us. I'm gonna get us back up track with
the Fever.

Speaker 3 (01:19:57):
Come on, Okay, good, good godavaty buddy, can it's you?
But yeah, the only thing that made me feel better
was Becky Hammond just ripping her freaking worst offensive performance
I've ever seen. She went off and they deserved it
about real fast. If I bet the Fever to win,
they lose. If I bet him to lose, they win.

(01:20:17):
If I take a Leah Boston to score over her
point total, she's under. If I take her under, she's
over it. Like any team total under, they're over it.
Anything I do is wrong. I don't understand what's going
on with the Fever and me. My gosh, I'm gonna
look to Ranger Sworez, Philly's pitcher. Give me over eighteen

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and a half outs he's pitching today against the reds Now.
There were some offensive fireworks yesterday. We're talking, you know,
like fifteen combined runs. That's a lot that could make
you a little bit nervous today. But you look at
Ranger Swore as he has been an innings eater each
of his last five starts. Seven innings seven seven innings,

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seven and two thirds seven innings. You know we need
them to go six and a third today against the Reds.
I think you can do it. I'm gonna back them.
Give me rangers words over eighteen and.

Speaker 2 (01:21:12):
A half outs what I have for you? There?

Speaker 4 (01:21:14):
You get all right?

Speaker 3 (01:21:15):
Coming up next to the top ten list that is
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You always have instant access to our Fox Sports Radio
videos on a YouTube. Okay, So a lot of times
in the football off season people refer to to lists.
It turns into list radio and listen. I think that
some lists are cool and make sense. I think others
are a waste of time. When you give me a

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top ten number one, yeah, NFL quarterbacks list, I'm all.

Speaker 2 (01:22:07):
Ears I'm all ears for number five. Number nine. Chris
is fired up for this obviously right, number two.

Speaker 3 (01:22:16):
Yeah, so Fox Sports Radio, Fox Sports, sorry, not radio.
We're reacting to the Fox Sports list that was put
out top ten quarterbacks heading into the twenty twenty five season.
Number ten, So that's important. We're not this is right
now heading into the season. This is where they stack

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up number two Sports Radio. Okay, so I'll go in
order here. Try to follow me.

Speaker 4 (01:22:43):
All right.

Speaker 3 (01:22:44):
There's a lot of riff rafts going on here in
this segment so far me try to follow me. So
it goes in order. Josh Allen number one, Patrick Mahomes two,
number two, number three, three, Number four is off his meds.
This chrispher four. What's number four? Don't make you play

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it again. Number four is Joe Burrow, number five, Jalen Hurts,
number six, Jared Goff number seven, Baker number eight, Justin
Herbert number nine.

Speaker 2 (01:23:17):
We're at a.

Speaker 3 (01:23:17):
Groove now, Jaden Daniels, number ten, Dak Prescott. That's what
Fox Spots has for.

Speaker 2 (01:23:24):
This is my favorite segment we've ever done, by the way, I'm.

Speaker 4 (01:23:27):
Glad this is going well so far.

Speaker 3 (01:23:29):
Number it's it's already number one, right, Okay, so first
part of this and we'll get to our top ten lists.
But what's your biggest beef with the Fox Sports Top
ten list? You're number one beef to start us off here,
number one.

Speaker 5 (01:23:47):
It's yeah, thank you, Chris, I'm playing that one.

Speaker 4 (01:23:51):
I guess, I guess I would. I would argue, Look,
Jayden Daniels, based off of last season, deserves a tremendous
amount of credit. But I mean, how many times have
we seen this where a guy comes flying out the
gates and there is immediate regression. And by the way,

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sometimes it's not all his fault. I actually I want
to correct that it's not ever only the quarterback's fault,
because a quarterback can only do so much. You're one
player amid twenty one other starters on offense and defense,
discluding special teams, which we know the kicking game plays
an enormous role in how seasons go. I will say, though,

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you know you see it all the time. We see
it all the time where a player comes flying out
the gates, they have a great rookie season, and then
the league seems to catch up with them a little bit.
So I'm pumping my Brakes on Jayden Daniels a little bit.
I'm excited. I think that the Washington football team commanders.

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I think they. I think they they deserve a tremendous
amount of credit for everything they did last season. But
I'm pumping my brakes a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:25:09):
Yeah, this is just what we had with CJ.

Speaker 2 (01:25:10):
Stroud last year.

Speaker 4 (01:25:12):
It's a good example.

Speaker 5 (01:25:14):
I'll be honest. I hate everything about this list. Wow, okay,
so many things I hate. Let me count that Mahomes
not one. Yeah, he could just have number.

Speaker 2 (01:25:27):
What. What the heck are we doing?

Speaker 5 (01:25:31):
So I do this every year now to be fair,
I do it for a point spread, you know, through
the lens of the point spread.

Speaker 2 (01:25:40):
I will give you.

Speaker 5 (01:25:41):
My top five, really actually top six, because when I
get to number six, my number six quarterback is a
guy that's not even in the top ten. Mahomes is
first obvious. Obviously, if your list doesn't start with Patrick Mahomes,
I don't want to read it. It is a troll,

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clickbait list, period end, a freaking story. Mahomes, Lamar, Josh Allen,
Joe Burrow, Jalen Hurts. So the top five looks similar, same.

Speaker 2 (01:26:14):
Five guys, What are the top five again.

Speaker 5 (01:26:18):
Mahomes is eight points better than an average quarterback. Lamar
Jackson and Josh Allen technically tied for second at seven
and a half points better than an average quarterback.

Speaker 2 (01:26:27):
Joe Burrow is.

Speaker 5 (01:26:28):
Fourth at seven points better. Jalen Hurts is six. And
that's your six point right there. One through five. That's
my one through five Mahomes, Lamar, Josh Allen, Joe Burrow,
Jalen Hurts.

Speaker 2 (01:26:41):
That's my top five.

Speaker 5 (01:26:42):
Number six. How is Matthew Stafford not on this freaking list?
Are you freaking kidding me? Are you freakin kidding me?
You put Dak Prescott, Janeen Daniels, Justin Herbert, and Baker
Mayfield ahead of Matthew Stafford.

Speaker 2 (01:27:04):
What are we smoking?

Speaker 4 (01:27:07):
Now?

Speaker 2 (01:27:08):
I'll give you Daniels.

Speaker 5 (01:27:09):
I think he's got upside for days because of his legs.
He is seventh on my list, four and a half
points better than an average quarterback. Jared Goff is eighth
on my list four points better, but I am ready
to drop him if the Ben Johnson train has rolled
out of the station, and then I've got a logjam

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at eight with Baker Love Prescott Stroud to a party
all there, and then I've got Justin Herbert outside my
top ten. I mean, listen, I know he's got talent,
but what have we seen so far that makes me
think he's a top ten quarterback right now? Maybe he
can play, he has the ability to play his way

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into the top ten.

Speaker 4 (01:27:51):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:27:52):
But I am neutral on Herbert.

Speaker 5 (01:27:55):
Until I see it in a big game, in a
big spot, in a big moment, and maybe this is
the year for it. But I am still a little
bit on the fence on Herbert. But my biggest gripe,
how is Stafford not in this top ten? And how
is Mahomes not first?

Speaker 3 (01:28:10):
Okay, so from seven on down we just have a
log jam basically, is that right?

Speaker 4 (01:28:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:28:16):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:28:16):
Like, and I think once you get past the top six, like,
I think there's a lot of room right to go
up and down.

Speaker 2 (01:28:21):
But how is Stafford not in this top ten? Yeah? Well,
I'm with you on that one your two biggest s gripes.
I am with you on that.

Speaker 3 (01:28:28):
Look, here's the deal, the Stafford thing not being in
the top ten.

Speaker 2 (01:28:33):
You have Dak.

Speaker 3 (01:28:34):
Prescott in the top ten and Navel Stafford. What is
happening right now? That's ridiculous? That's insanity. And by the way,
the Fox Sports honorable mention was Stafford, Brock Purdy, Jordan Love,
c J. Stroud, Kyler, Murray Boenix. That was the honorable
mention right there. Yeah, I'm with you. I've got Stafford

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sixth on my list. My list starts with Patrick Mahomes,
as any top ten list should do.

Speaker 2 (01:29:00):
I don't know what this is.

Speaker 3 (01:29:02):
It's an overreaction to the Super Bowl loss, is what
it is. And I don't know who kidnapped Patrick Mahomes
in the first half of that game and replaced him
with Nathan Peterman.

Speaker 2 (01:29:12):
I don't know who did that.

Speaker 3 (01:29:14):
He was freaking terrible in the off fall in the
first half, couple of interceptions, forcing throws, they got shut out.

Speaker 2 (01:29:22):
It was a disaster.

Speaker 3 (01:29:24):
But let's not overreact as if somehow Josh Allen has
passed him.

Speaker 2 (01:29:29):
What's Josh Allen done in the playoffs? Exactly? What is
he won? What has he gotten to He hasn't even
gotten to a super Bowl.

Speaker 3 (01:29:37):
Mahomes has three rings and we got Alan over that's insanity.
Come on, what are we talking about here? And then
you also look at mahomes season. You gotta look at
the season as a whole, He's not putting up these
gaudy numbers. But the shaky offensive line, I mean, we've
got some shuffling around. We have Joe Tooney playing left

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left tackle for a portion of the season. He did
an admirable job, but he's a guard. Right Like, you're
having this makeshift offensive line complete Swiss cheese in the
Super Bowl. You didn't have she Rice after week three,
right Like, you got a lot working against you. So
I don't think Mahomes has regressed to the point where

(01:30:18):
he's not the number one guy anymore. So I'll go
with my list and I'll give you my beefs along
the way.

Speaker 2 (01:30:25):
So I'll go Mahomes Burrow.

Speaker 3 (01:30:28):
I don't know why we're treating Burrow like he's chump
changed right now. Burrow made it to a Super Bowl.
Burrow has been money in huge games, and Burrow put
up huge numbers last season. It was just because this
defense sucked. They didn't do anything as a team. But
Burrow was fantastic last season. The only thing I think

(01:30:49):
you can really knock Burrow for are the injury concerns
He's missed some games here.

Speaker 2 (01:30:54):
And lack of mobility. The other guys have mobility.

Speaker 5 (01:30:56):
Fair enough, and that's the reason that he's just a
half point behind Alan and Lamar.

Speaker 3 (01:31:00):
Yeah, I put Josh Allen third. This is no knock
on Allen. He's fantastic, but I just don't have him
number one on my list. And Brow has done more
in the postseason, so I give Burrow an additional check
mark right there. Now here's my first hot take. Give
me Jaden Daniels in the top five over a two
time MVP. I've got Jaden Daniels number four on my list,

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and this is the deal.

Speaker 2 (01:31:24):
We gotta stop doing this. I know CJ.

Speaker 3 (01:31:27):
Stroud was electric his rookie season and he came back
to earth quickly last season. We got to stop acting
like that's how it always goes for these quarterbacks. You
start off strong and then whoa man sophomore slump. It
doesn't always happen that way. I'll give you one example.
Russell Wilson started his career very strongly in Seattle, had
a passer rating of one hundred, you know, twenty six touchdowns,

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ten interceptions. The next year, he didn't fall off, He
didn't regrets. He was a bit better through for more
yards passer rating was a little bit better one a
one point two. You don't just fall off like c J.
Stroud has a bad offensive line. He's been sacked ninety
times in his first two seasons in the NFL. Not
a good old line in front of him. But I
think that CJ. Stroud is still a good quarterback. His

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accuracy was a bit of an issue last season, but
I do not subscribe to well CJ. Stroud fell off.
Throw A lookout for Jaden Daniels is special. Jaden Daniels
has a feel, He's accurate, he knows all right. I'm
going to extend this play and look to throw. It's
time to tucket and run. He's got a great feel
so early in his NFL career and I don't see

(01:32:33):
that changing. And this is the top ten list. If
he stinks, I'll move him down or move him off
of it. I've got him over. Lamar, who routinely wets
himself in the playoffs, deserves the two MVPs. I think
he deserves a third MVP. I think he was better
than Josh Allen last season, but I put Lamar fifth
due to the postseason pickups. I put Stafford six. Then

(01:32:55):
I go Baker, dude puts up numbers, and he's had
four good games out of the five playoff games he's played.
I put Herbert eighth because who's he throwing to exactly?
You give Herbert some of the weapons that Baker has,
Oh my gosh, he would be putting up video game numbers.

Speaker 2 (01:33:13):
So I look at Herbert.

Speaker 3 (01:33:15):
Yes, he's got you gotta come through in the postseason,
but he's come up big in big games before. I
remember the last game of the season to try to
get into the playoffs against the Raiders. He was unfreaking believable.
Making huge plays in that game is outstanding.

Speaker 2 (01:33:33):
I put golf ninth because Goff.

Speaker 3 (01:33:35):
Puts up numbers, but you know, I gotta knock him
down a little bit because of the postseason. You know,
weddings right there. Last season was one of them. And sorry,
I'm talking so well. I could go on for three
more days on this list is.

Speaker 2 (01:33:50):
An honest conversations we've had.

Speaker 3 (01:33:53):
Nice lastly number ten, this is my other hot take.

Speaker 2 (01:33:57):
I put CJ.

Speaker 3 (01:33:58):
Stroud tenth, and I put Jalen Hurts in my honorable
mention section.

Speaker 2 (01:34:04):
Jalen, and then I don't want to make John Hurts. Now,
that is a bit of a surprise. That is a surprise,
right curveball in the top end. That's a mistake.

Speaker 3 (01:34:14):
Hey, that's fine. We can agree to disagree. But here's
the deal with Jalen Hurts. Okay, Jalen Hurts is a
good quarterback. I'm not going to tell you he's not.
He's not a special quarterback. Jalen Hurts is a dude
behind the best offensive line in football with Aj Brown,
DeVante Smith, Dallas Scodderd to throw to.

Speaker 2 (01:34:33):
That's a lot of talent around the guy.

Speaker 3 (01:34:36):
I don't think if you put Jalen Hurts on you know,
a bad to even mediocre team, that he looks like
this huge difference maker.

Speaker 2 (01:34:45):
I don't think he's that guy.

Speaker 3 (01:34:47):
I think he's a guy who struggles at times with
reading defenses, making the right throw, making the right decision.
We just give him a ton of love because he
can squat the weight room and the tush.

Speaker 2 (01:34:58):
Push is what he's known for.

Speaker 3 (01:35:00):
He's got a signature play and listen, he just won
a Super Bowl, which I give him credit for. But
he's at Saquon Barkley rushing for two thousand yards. You
don't think that makes life easier on a quarterback.

Speaker 2 (01:35:10):
You give c J.

Speaker 3 (01:35:11):
Stroud the best offensive line in football, you give him
Aj Brown and DeVante Smith and Dallas Godder to throw to,
and you give Jalen Hurts what c J. Stroud has
in Houston, and all of a sudden, those numbers are
flip flopped.

Speaker 2 (01:35:24):
I truly believe that.

Speaker 3 (01:35:25):
So I've got Stroud tenth, Jalen Hurts out of the
top ten.

Speaker 2 (01:35:28):
That's what I say.

Speaker 4 (01:35:29):
Yeah, I would. I would say that we probably agree
on more of this list than we disagree on. It
gets a little shaky with how high you've elevated Jayden Daniels. Yeah,
but I think my list would go like if I
were going to go top five and then just give
you the bundle outside the top five, it would go

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something more like Mahomes, Burrow, Lamar Allen, and then Stafford.
That's my top five in order I have. I have
no idea why Matthew Stafford has been penalized by circumstance.
I think he's a tremendous quarterback. And then after that,
I'm going Herbert because he's a more talented quarterback than

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Jalen Hurts. And then I'm gonna throw Hurts in there.
Jaden Daniels, I'm gonna throw in there. But I mean,
when we get down to the bottom of this top
ten that was put out by Fox Sports Radio and
we're talking about Dak Prescott being over Brock Purty, I mean,
recent playoff performances kind of preclude Dak Prescott from being

(01:36:35):
over Brock Purty. I mean it just doesn't make sense
to me. Now, Purty's coming off the down year. We'll
see how he responds. And then just just to go
back to our conversation about sophomore slump, it is a
thing and CJ. Stroud did experience it. Do I think
he'll have a bounce back? I hope so, But am
I counting on it? I don't know if I can

(01:36:56):
count on it. Because Matt Ryan had a sophomore slump,
came back to become potentially a Hall of Famer one day,
we'll see b and be a hard case to make
for Hall of Fame, but certainly an MVP. Dak Prescott,
he had a sophomore slump, but he came back and
he's been one of the more consistent contenders at that

(01:37:18):
position in the NFL. MAC opposite side of the coin
had a sophomore slump and really never panned out as
a competent starting quarterback in the NFL after that point.
So CJ. Stroud, we saw it. Jaden Daniels, who knows
he could be just as good. He could do the

(01:37:40):
Lamar Jackson thing. He could do the Josh Allen thing
where he seems to get better and better every year,
or it could go the opposite way, where he has
a breakout season he gets figured out by defensive coordinators
who are going to be relentlessly studying his film, finding
the weak points and then seeing how he adjusts. If
he can well, then the Commanders will have a great

(01:38:04):
building block for the future. If he can't, then there's
gonna be some question marks. And so that's the reason
why heading into the twenty twenty five season, the quarterbacks
that you know that you can rely on based on
their talent, based on their talent, are the ones that
I put the most stock behind.

Speaker 5 (01:38:22):
Yeah, I think the reason that these lists are so flawed,
and it's not that mine better than Brian's or vice versa.

Speaker 2 (01:38:28):
It's that it's beauty's in the eye of the beholder.

Speaker 5 (01:38:31):
What are we grading the quarterbacks on for example, I
grade them on what they're worth against the spread compared
to their backup, compared to the average quarterback. So that's
why I'm higher on a guy like Jalen Hurts. That's
why I'm higher on a guy like Jayden Daniels because
those guys can run and CJ. Strout can't. And like,
that's why I view quarterbacks when i'm ranking them differently

(01:38:55):
than the way Brian views them. Brian views them as
in a vacuum. They're talent, period, no matter what they're
supporting castes, no matter what the fit is. And that's again,
that's not wrong, it's just the way that Brian grades them.

Speaker 2 (01:39:07):
I grade them viewing.

Speaker 5 (01:39:09):
I want to know what they're worth against the spread
compared to the average backup. And I think that is
why these lists are always so wrong, Like, and you
can always take offense to one of them because I
don't know what the hell the Fox list was, frankly grading.

Speaker 2 (01:39:23):
It off of.

Speaker 5 (01:39:23):
But every list has its own set of criteria. Like
when I'm grading a quarterback, mobility matters to me like
a lot, frankly, And that's why I'm higher on a
Jaden Daniels That's why I'm higher on a Jalen Hurts.

Speaker 2 (01:39:39):
That's why I think Jalen Hurts the top five.

Speaker 5 (01:39:41):
Quarterback because what he can do with his legs is
so unique that not a lot of other quarterbacks in
the league can do it. So when you put him
on a team like the Eagles that have all these
pieces around him, his game is significantly better than any
other quarterback. Frankly, outside of the top five.

Speaker 2 (01:40:00):
I don't know if CJ.

Speaker 5 (01:40:02):
Stroud, I don't know if you put him on the Eagles,
he'd have that same success. He can't run, he can't
do the toush push, they don't get those automatic first downs,
like that's not his game.

Speaker 2 (01:40:11):
So it's just it's a beauty's in the eye of
the beholder.

Speaker 5 (01:40:14):
And I don't disagree with a lot of the talents
that a lot of these quarterbacks have. But you're also
trying to figure out a list, a set of criteria
that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (01:40:26):
In through the lens that you're viewing it in.

Speaker 5 (01:40:28):
And that's why I'm a little bit higher on some
of the mobile quarterbacks because I know how much more.

Speaker 2 (01:40:33):
Of an impact they have on the game. Yeah, I'll
just say real quick and we'll move it along.

Speaker 3 (01:40:40):
I like to look at this as sort of like
the MVP criteria, where the MVP is the guy that's
most valuable to the league, like the league as a whole.
And the way I think of it is, it's not
the MVP of your particular team, it's what do you do?
How do you showcase value? And would you be that

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valuable for any team in the league. How much of
a boost would a team get from you going on
to another team?

Speaker 4 (01:41:11):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:41:11):
So, I play that game quite a bit, and your
supporting cast matters a lot, like do you spruce up
your supporting cast or does your supporting cast spruce you up?
More like what's exactly happening here? Brock Perty is a
prime example of someone who's been spruced up and not
doing as much sprucing himself. I a hot take on
brock for at some point before the season starts. By

(01:41:32):
the way, all right, nice, and I will say this too.
These lists are hard because there are land mines everywhere
for you to contradict yourself. Listen, if you're big on mobility,
that's great. I hear that argument. But Stafford sixth I
explained that one right, like, Hey, you got all right, Yeah,
but you get all these You can contradict yourself from

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time to time.

Speaker 2 (01:41:55):
Anybody can.

Speaker 3 (01:41:56):
I'm sure someone could point out contradictions in my list.

Speaker 2 (01:42:00):
Thing I'll say real quick, we'll move it is.

Speaker 3 (01:42:03):
Mobility is great. I'm not against mobility. But we only
look at the upside of mobility. We don't look at
the downside. What about the downside? When Jalen Hurts is
in the ice tub for weeks fourteen, fifteen, and sixteen,
you know what I mean, Like that happens too.

Speaker 2 (01:42:18):
We don't have that. CJ.

Speaker 3 (01:42:20):
Stroud isn't going to be icing his arm because he's
more of a pocket quarterback and he's missing like three
four games.

Speaker 2 (01:42:27):
A year, righting his ribs because he's getting sacked one
hundred times.

Speaker 3 (01:42:31):
Yeah, listen, I love the stress that mobile quarterbacks put
on the defense. Yeah, but we're lying to ourselves if
we don't acknowledge the fact that a lot of times
they put stress on your team as well because they're
banged up, they're hurt, and they're not playing each game.

Speaker 2 (01:42:47):
So it can work both ways.

Speaker 3 (01:42:49):
And that's where you know, I don't go as high
on mobility as some might. I love it, but I
recognize the downside. It's kind of like the uh, the
load management of the NBA. Everybody looks at the upside.
I'll look at the downside. That's mobility as an NFL quarterback.
It's just about the upside. There is a downside as well.

(01:43:09):
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Speaker 2 (01:43:49):
How do you explain this one?

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Speaker 2 (01:44:16):
I will tell you.

Speaker 3 (01:44:16):
I love I love the quarterback top ten list that
Fox Sports put out and props to our guy Patty
sweekup producing today. In sensed off the air just a
couple of minutes ago that Tua tongue of I Lowe
was not on the top ten. I mean outraged, that's
not true whatsoever. I'm just completely making that up.

Speaker 2 (01:44:39):
Yeah, I would.

Speaker 5 (01:44:42):
I don't know, why can he play ten games this year?
Can he stay in the.

Speaker 3 (01:44:46):
Field taking the over taking the over all? Right, we'll
see if that works or not. Okay, how about this,
Caitlin Clark, I'm curious what you think about this?

Speaker 2 (01:44:55):
So she finished first, Oh my god.

Speaker 4 (01:44:58):
In w NBA All.

Speaker 3 (01:44:59):
Star Face and Voting, she finished ninth among guards in
WNBA All Star player voting. Okay, so the fans love her,
she's number one the players at ninth amongst guards, ninth
among guards, my lord, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:45:20):
So how do you break this down?

Speaker 3 (01:45:21):
What's your explanation to what we just saw play out
between fans and players viewing Caitlin so differently.

Speaker 4 (01:45:29):
Well, I think fans have the capability and the and
oftentimes the to overestimate to over hype players at times.
And when I say gaul having that audacity, it's it's
easy when you're a fan because you're interested in in
a team or a player, or because maybe you have

(01:45:52):
an allegiance to a team or a player, you can
kind of be blinded to some other things. Happens in
all sports, and it's can happen in the w in
this situation. The reason why it's so far from the
player voting is because there is an air of resentment.
There's an air of a feeling that Caitlyn Clark is

(01:46:17):
entitled and she doesn't deserve the lauding and the attention
that she's received so far, even though she's i mean,
basically saved this league. The players do not see it
this way and I'm speaking and I'm generalizing right now,
and I understand that not every player feels this way,
not every fan feels this way, But in general, I

(01:46:40):
think there's an appreciation on the outside looking in for
Caitlyn Clark. From the inside looking out. For the players specifically,
there is a huge lack of appreciation for what she's
meant and what she's done to the WNBA.

Speaker 5 (01:46:57):
It's I don't want to say disgrace, but it's starting
to become hard to defend. Whereas in the beginning you
could say, yeah, you know, she's pretty brash, she likes
to talk a lot of smack and she you know,
if you dish it out, you got to be able
to take it. And a lot of the fouls, some
of them are just hard fouls. And I don't want

(01:47:18):
to go over the top and say that great players
in years past, like Jordan and those types of guys
didn't get roughed up a little bit. That's fine, But
now it's on paper. Now you've made it black and white,
not a race thing, although I do think there might

(01:47:38):
be a little bit of a racial element here, but
I don't think that's it at all.

Speaker 2 (01:47:43):
I think it's jealousy.

Speaker 5 (01:47:47):
I think Caitlin Clark is making significantly more than the
rest of the players in the league, not salary wise,
but endorsements and attention and all of the side stuff.
And the players are like, well, I can't really talk
about it openly because then I'm gonna get ridiculed, or
then I'm gonna get.

Speaker 2 (01:48:07):
Pushed aside by my sponsors.

Speaker 5 (01:48:09):
But they're passing around this sheet where we get to
vote on whether or not we think she's good or not.
And I'm just gonna knock her a couple pegs here.
I'm gonna take her down a.

Speaker 2 (01:48:20):
Couple of pegs.

Speaker 5 (01:48:21):
And the part that's crazy to me, you want to
say she's not having a great year. She's turning it
over a lot. She's making, you know, missing some threes.

Speaker 2 (01:48:29):
That's fair. Go watch the games.

Speaker 5 (01:48:33):
You are game planning for her like she is the
second coming of God.

Speaker 2 (01:48:38):
You are face guarded that it's continuing to.

Speaker 5 (01:48:42):
Scheme for her, like she go watch to get you.
Either's someone running with her wherever she goes, right when
she crosses half court. You're not doing that to Kelsey Mitchell,
who's her teammate, who you voted as the sixth best
guard in the league. You're not defending her like that.
So there's just this ink consistency and when it's hard

(01:49:03):
fouls and you're talking smack back to her because she's
given it to you. That's just basketball. That's basketball. Now
it's on paper, you are. The media says she's third,
the fans say she's first. I think the fans overcook
their grits a little bit. I think she's probably in
terms of having the best year. No, she's probably the

(01:49:26):
second or third best.

Speaker 2 (01:49:26):
Garden the league. She's definitely a top four garden the league.

Speaker 5 (01:49:29):
To have her ninth, like, it's so blatantly obvious how
jealous and petty you are, it's impossible to defend anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:49:38):
And that's kind of where I'm at on this issue. No,
it's well said.

Speaker 3 (01:49:41):
I love your point about how she's defended, you know,
on the court, right, Like, if she was the ninth
best guard, you wouldn't be making her such a priority
with your defensive game plan. You just wouldn't. You'd be like, Eh,
we're good. That's not how they defend her. So that
that's a great point by you. Gold star for you,
Jared Smith, Very well done. The thing is, how do

(01:50:05):
I explain it why she's first among fan voting and
ninth among player voting. It's a popularity contest. She's uber
popular with fans, she's not so popular with the players.

Speaker 2 (01:50:16):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:50:16):
And what's ridiculous about it is, Look, if you're a
player and you're a little bit bent. For whatever reason,
she's getting a little bit too much attention, she's getting
a little bit too much shine in your opinion, she's
getting a little bit too much endorsement money. You don't
think this should be the reason that whatever the people
are tuning in or giving her credit for why people

(01:50:38):
are tuning in, what have you? My thing is, if
you bring the same credentials and you're not getting the attention,
then you got a leg to stand on. But if
you're not bringing the same credentials and you're acting as
if you do, then you need.

Speaker 4 (01:50:53):
To shut up.

Speaker 3 (01:50:55):
That's where I'm at on this whole thing, Like, look
at Caitlin's credentials. Have you scored the most points in
the history of women's college basketball? Have you made it
to back to back national championship games? Were you raining
threes in college? Did you hit the most three pointers?
In college. There's a report here Experts say that Caitlin

(01:51:15):
Clark's value to the WNBA is around one billion dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:51:20):
Sound about right?

Speaker 3 (01:51:21):
Is your value to the WNBA valued at one billion dollars?
If you don't have the resume, don't act like you do,
and don't hate on people flocking to her because of
that resume. Listen, do you think that she would be
as popular just because she's white? If she's putting up

(01:51:43):
Natasha Cloud's numbers?

Speaker 2 (01:51:44):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (01:51:45):
Like, what are we talking about here? To make it
all about race? Is stupid?

Speaker 2 (01:51:49):
Is there an element?

Speaker 4 (01:51:50):
Sure?

Speaker 2 (01:51:51):
Is it solely the entire thing?

Speaker 3 (01:51:53):
No, it's not like that's the thing man, some of
these players. I'm not trying to dog out Natasha Cloud.
It's a very good defensive player for the Liberty. She
is not an offensive threat at all at all. You
look at her numbers and I even close to Caitlin
Clark offensively. Natasha Cloud averages nine point nine points per

(01:52:14):
game players ever, ranked fourth among guards.

Speaker 2 (01:52:18):
Like, what are we come on?

Speaker 3 (01:52:19):
Some of this has just led out joke man's it's
it's taken the jealousy thing too far. It really is,
because at some point, even if you hate a player,
you got to give them their justice.

Speaker 2 (01:52:30):
Exactly.

Speaker 5 (01:52:30):
I felt the same way about Belichick and Brady. I
couldn't stand them both as a Jets fan. But they're
the best there you go, got to admit it.

Speaker 2 (01:52:36):
They're the best.

Speaker 4 (01:52:38):
And also, I mean, it really is starting to take
some of the air out of the room. Like the
three of us, we are sports fanatics. We love football,
we love basketball, we love baseball. I mean, and don't
get me wrong, we can be convinced around the majors
to really invest in golf and tennis. Well, we want

(01:53:00):
to talk more WNBA. But it feels like at every
juncture this league wants to make themselves unlikable and they
make decisions that push fans away instead of welcome them in.
Because you're making a lot of fans feel foolish or
stupid for liking this player. Well, guess what when people

(01:53:22):
who are smart, you know, maybe they don't know basketball
as well as you do, you know, Telsey Plumb or
an Esku, but guess what, they're smart and they know
what they like. And if you keep doing this to everybody,
they're just gonna stop liking you. They're gonna stop liking
your sport. You're gonna push them away. You're gonna push
them toward hockey or some other fringe sport that they

(01:53:43):
can invest in where they're not gonna be made to
feel stupid or foolish for following or caring about a
certain player.

Speaker 1 (01:53:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:53:50):
It the way that she's defended and the way that
the league reacts to her is the obvious.

Speaker 2 (01:53:58):
Like it.

Speaker 5 (01:53:59):
And again, I think sometimes and I'm not trying to
make it a male female thing, but there.

Speaker 2 (01:54:05):
Is a little bit of pets just it is.

Speaker 5 (01:54:10):
I hate that it is because I'm not someone who
wants to separate. And you know, well, men do this
and women do this, but when the stereotypes fit, it's
really hard to ignore it. She is a trancendent talent.
The ratings drop fifty percent when she's not on the floor.

(01:54:31):
The ratings did not drop fifty percent when MJ missed
the game for the Bulls. I'm sorry they didn't. People
still watched. It is so obvious to everyone with eyes
except the players on the floor playing against her. And
when everyone else except her colleagues are clearly like obviously,

(01:54:55):
she is a top five player in the sport. She
is probably going to go down as one of the
best most influential athletes of our generation.

Speaker 4 (01:55:06):
Period.

Speaker 2 (01:55:07):
End of story.

Speaker 5 (01:55:09):
Own it, ride the wave. You have the golden goose.
She is allowing you to fly private. She is getting
you more endorsements. It's like everything rising tide lifts all boats.

Speaker 2 (01:55:23):
Just embrace it.

Speaker 5 (01:55:25):
You don't have to like her. You can still jaw
at her. In fact, that's what makes the games great.
Give me all of that on the floor, give her
the business. Foul her hard, trash talk, make it dramatic.
But then once the game is over and you go
in the locker room and you do your press conference,
you get on the microphone and say, man, she is tough.

(01:55:47):
We had to defend her so hard. We had to
do this and this and all this. She is such
a great player. She got us tonight. We're gonna get
her next time. That's how you do it. Class off
the floor, give her the business on the floor. I
always say I had a great piece of advice given
to me when I was younger. You criticize in private,
you praise in public.

Speaker 4 (01:56:08):
Period.

Speaker 2 (01:56:09):
End of story. Do not say anything negative in public.

Speaker 5 (01:56:13):
Criticize in private when you're in your little locker room
you're talking when you're on the plane. You give her
the business then, But in public, man, she's the best
player in our generation. She's lifting the sport to new levels.
All right, so real fast, you know this thing. You
don't know what you have until you lose it. I
feel like that's Kitlyn Clark with the WNBA. The WNBA

(01:56:35):
before Caitlyn Clark was completely irrelevant in the grand scheme
of the sports You know, cycle if you will, we're
not talking WNBA on sports radio, you know we are now.
Caitlin Clark's the biggest reason why. It reminds me of
the SEC. This is random, but college football.

Speaker 3 (01:56:57):
How many years when the SE's they won seven straight
nowtional championships. They're putting all these pros in the NFL Draft,
all these first round picks, clearly the best conference, and
you would have people it's not no, it's not that
they push back on the SEC. It's like, bro, it's
staring at you in the face. Even if you hate
the SEC, you gotta give them. They're just due. And

(01:57:19):
that's where we're at with Caitlin.

Speaker 4 (01:57:20):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:57:20):
It's just it's stupid, stupid to keep banging that Trump.

Speaker 3 (01:57:24):
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a yes, rapid fire. Three selections for each of us,

(01:59:04):
maybe four for Jared. What do you have for us today, buddy? Yeah,
I gotta give you a fourth. Right, I'll give you
the and I gave you this out early. I'll give
you the over in that Sparks Fever game one sixty
three and a half. I bet this a couple of
days ago seen to go up scene and go down
because the Kaitlin Clark thing. I think one sixty three
and a half is too low. I make the game
one sixty seven. I'll give you a Giants minus a
half on the first five. I thought Brian did a

(01:59:24):
great job with the Sandycap earlier. Luis Saverrino's been awful
in Sacramento zero to seven with an ERA of nearly seven.
I'll give you the Mariners minus a half on the
first five. I get Louis Castillo and you don't. You
have to deal with Mike Burrows. And I also get
Kyl Rawley for at least two at bats. The Big
Dumper's been unbelievable first half of the year.

Speaker 5 (01:59:41):
And finally, we love a good weather bet Cubs Cardinals
over ten and a half ninety degrees win blowing out
at Wrigley today games averaging about eleven and a half
runs per game with those weather conditions at Wrigley Field.

Speaker 4 (01:59:55):
Okay, Socks facing the Nationals in Washington, both of Tim's
involved in high scoring series lately. I'm taking the over
the ten runs today in DC. Tiffany Hayes Golden State
Valkyrie's Guard has scored more than thirteen points in our
last five games, averaging thirteen points this season. I'll take
the over ten and a half points when they take

(02:00:15):
on Minnesota. And finally, I got the Padres on the
money line. They host the Rangers. They got a series
opening win yesterday. If they need to stack these up
to be buyers at the deadline.

Speaker 3 (02:00:26):
All right, hopefully it's not a bad omen. I'm always
thinking of picks, spinning, spinning. I wrote something down when
I was drowsy last night. I woke up and it
just says perdue team total over doesn't help it all today.

Speaker 2 (02:00:39):
No, it wasn't going on. No idea, David for August,
no idea.

Speaker 3 (02:00:45):
Yeah, maybe that's I'll go quickly here.

Speaker 2 (02:00:49):
Give me a you think, Jared, I like that you
are on it. No, it's good.

Speaker 3 (02:00:54):
Give me the San Francisco Giants minus a half in
the first five Logan Web against l Sevarino. Giants have
to have a lead at the end of five. I
think they will give me. I'm fading Walker Bueller. Give
me over two and a half earned runs against the
Nats today, and then Cleveland offensively challenged under four and

(02:01:14):
a half runs. Team total, it's minus one forty five

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