Aaron Torres & Jason Martin talk NFL Preseason Overreactions, NFC South Predictions, & MORE!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
Welcome man, everybody, Fox Sports Radio, Fox Sports Saturday Era, Tours,
Jason Martin. We are broadcasting live from the Fox Sports
Radio studios and Jay mart We've made it baby football
all weekend. Three preseason games still going on. Of course,

(00:25):
we had games on Thursday, we had games on Friday.
We had wall to wall football starting at about one
pm Eastern today. We've got two games tomorrow. Oh, it's
so good to have football back. My only complaint, by
the way, can we get a West coast ten pm
Eastern seven pm Pacific kickoff so Tours and Martin have

(00:45):
something to watch into the wee hours. Other than that,
no complaints. J Martin, how you.

Speaker 1 (00:49):
Doing doing well? Man? You're you're preaching tonight, no question
about that. It's just good to have football back. Yes,
it is fake football. Yes, these games student count, we
get all that. But at the same time, it's just
good to see helmets, dudes out there, throwing, dudes out there, running,
dudes out there catching it. Just Also, it's been just

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stupid hot this summer, especially in Nashville. We had like
twenty eight straight days over ninety degrees, like insane heat
indexes around one ten. If you walked outside it was
so humid it was it's just been disgusting. Like so,
when I see helmets, you know what, I also think
of fun, cool breeze. Yeah. Yes, it's gonna be an

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absolutely it's gonna be absolutely lovely to wake up on
a Saturday, pop on the games and then be able to,
you know, go outside with the family and not swelter
to death or get attacked by these insane mosquitos that
we've also had to deal with all summer long. By
uh my youngest, her face looked like she has measles.
Oh no, if we take her outside, because mosquitos just

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apparently love her face.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
Is it true? There's a different type of blood that
more attracts mosquite to some people than others. I don't
know if you've ever heard that's.

Speaker 1 (02:02):
A good I don't know. I'm not I'm not the
scientist in my family.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
It's okay, Well, if there is a scientist, you should ask.
So my wife swears she's like, I have sweet blood.
I'm like, what does that mean. She's like, bugs are
more attracted to me. It's a known thing. And I'm like,
so okay, So I love my wife, and I don't
want to stereotype of generalize, but she's a she's an immigrant,
first first generation, and I don't say that in any

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sort of disparaging way, but she, you know, comes from
a family of you know, kind of old school medicine,
old school this, you know, uh, take this thing that
I've never heard of for this particular you know, illness
or whatever. And so I don't know if that's one
of like the old school you know, great, is that true?

Speaker 1 (02:48):
No, it's a myth.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
It's a myth. Okay, well, I'm.

Speaker 1 (02:50):
Ai tells me. The idea of mosquitoes prefers sweet blood
is a myth. They are attracted to humans, but not
the sweetness of blood. It's a medical myth.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
Okay, well I'll tell you what. I'm gonna let you
be the one to tell her that, because I don't
think that's really going to be a road that I
traveled down.

Speaker 1 (03:07):
Just fix it, Just say, hey, guess what, that's a myth.
But that doesn't mean you're blood.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
Can you just tore down everything for me? I'm sorry, Mary,
I don't know if your Mike was on Mary, but
Mary saying as a first generation immigrant, everything that she
learned is No, it's like you have these old school
like family you know, like recipes or not not recipe,
but like way to deal with health issues that have
been passed down from centuries. And so this was one

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of them that I had never heard when I met
my wife. But she's like, oh, yeah, no, I have
sweet blood. I just like you know, and especially this
time of year, Oh, I can't go outside.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
You know.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
The other thing too, is I just think she doesn't
like being outside like she. You know, I'm the type
of person like I could just sit on the porch
all night and just you know, drink a few beers
and sit by a fire. And that's not her. So
sometimes I think she just makes stuff up as an
excuse not to be out. But yeah, she's been telling
me for years she has sweet blood and that is
why bugs are more attracted to her. And I wouldn't understand.

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I can't relate anyway.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
You know. It was let me give you, Let me
give you one thing you can tell her, I like,
this will this will fix everything. Still, according to Axios,
mosquitoes probably don't think your blood's sweet, but they might
like your stink.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
Oh okay, I will tell her that. You know, I
have another thought on that, but nothing negative. She just
wears a lot of perfume. That's all I'm gonna say
is so that probably doesn't help in the pursuit of bugs.
She smells lovely all the time in case that was
the way that could have been perceived. But I don't
think the perfume helps.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
But anyway, speaking of sweet, no sweet, Watching George Sanders
chuck the ball all over the field on Friday night,
what a pivot.

Speaker 1 (04:49):
Mary.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
We were all in front of the TV on Friday.
But here's how it sounded in Charlotte.

Speaker 3 (04:54):
Shutor play fake looking in Zoe lofting back quarter of
the end zone. Bet it is put touchdown Cayden Davis
and Shador Sanders has his first career NFL touchdown.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
That I believe was Panthers Radio Networks Shadoor Sanders, J
Mart Listen, you know we haven't been on air. We
haven't been on air since since the game, since Shador
was officially announced as the preseason Game one starter. But
you know he needed an opportunity. He takes advantage fourteen
to twenty three hundred and thirty eight yards two touchdowns,

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I have a lot of takes. I happen to actually
be on air during this game with e from Slam yesterday.
America has heard plenty of my takes. So your reaction
to what we did see what we didn't see from
Shador Sanders on on Friday.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
Night, Well, I saw Kevin Stefanski say, you know, we're
gonna evaluate him. We look at him like everybody else,
which is fine, and I don't disagree. Just understand keV
that the rest of the country does doesn't see it
that way. The fact that you see that he's like
fourth on the chart in terms of who's getting reps
in practice and all this other stuff. My first thought

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was why, And it had nothing to do with him
doing anything like this would have been had he not
played a game or not. It's just I don't really understand.
It's like, how many hoops do you want him to
jump through here? Because I still think he's going to
jump through them. You and I were much more bullish
on him than a lot where we were closer to
mel Kiper than we were seemingly everybody else that weekend.

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We didn't quite understand what all was going on. And yeah,
we've heard some things since, but what we saw at Colorado,
that's kind of what we saw in that game, at
least to some extent. Like, yes, I understands preseason. We're
going to have that discussion in a little while. But
at the same time, that's kind of what you wanted
to see, and it's kind of what you expected to

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see from sheet where Sanders went out there. He's pretty
confident and he made some smart football plays, and that's
kind of what we got used to seeing in college.
The narratives and all the other stuff that has surrounded
him over this last handful of months become irrelevant if
he goes out there and plays football and that's what

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he's doing and he's getting his opportunity. However they've come about, however,
who's sitting out and whatever else. I still believe he's
going to be your guy sooner rather than later. Is
it going to be weak one, I don't know. I
think at one point we might have both thought it
could have been. But this whole like him fourth on
the chart and all this stuff, it's just going to

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continue to grow. I think it might be a stair
step process. Maybe it is going to take a little
bit more time, but I just don't see a universe
where he's not going to be able to stand out
in some way, shape or form.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
So let's dive into a couple of things. So one, yes,
so I agree with you, and I think bigger picture.
I think even bigger picture, the Browns are going to
probably Listen, I'm not a roster expert, but you know,
I think they're going to keep probably both him and
Dylan Gabriel because like they have to. They Joe Flacco

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is not an answer at forty years old. Deshaun Watson
is not the answer, even though he's clearly not healthy.
So at some point you do have to see what
you have in those guys. Now, as far as Friday
Night is concerned, a couple things. One, I know what
people say, fourteen to twenty three hundred and thirty eight
yards big deal, Like if you actually watch the game.

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He looked poised, he looked confident. I understand that it
was the preseason. I understand that it was whatever. But
I think the counter is if he was twelve of
twenty eight with no touchdowns and two interceptions, then we'd
be talking about what an absolute disaster it is. And
so that I think is The first part is this

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notion of like it means absolutely nothing. Well, that means
absolutely nothing because because like I think a lot of
people just either want like the people that want to
see him succeed think it means something that people that
don't want to see him succeed want to tear down
what he did. I just sit there and say, though,
it does matter for a few reasons. One, if he

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was an absolute disaster as a fifth round pick, fourth
on the depth chart, honestly, he might not get another chance.
And so one it matters because of that. Two, it
just matters because he did get a chance. Period. And
this is where a little bit of you know, the
backstory on working with Ephim last night. You know, Ephram

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has a fascinating story himself, and I you know, people
could go back and listen to yesterday's odd Couple if
they want to hear it. But Ephraim was a seventh
round pick, and he told the story on air yesterday
of going into the going into training camp. I think
he was the fourth or fifth string, you know, one
of the tackles. There's a couple injuries, a couple guys
get cut, and it basically came down to his final

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preseason game of you know, if you perform here, you're
gonna be our Week one starter, and if you don't,
you might not be on this team. And so I
just bring it up because roster spots are one and
lost in the preseason. If it didn't work out, and
if he looked bad, that would have been an easy
opportunity where if the Browns were looking for a reason

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to get rid of him, they would have had the opportunity.
And I think most importantly two other quick things Jamarkus,
I know I'm going a long one. I think it's
it's enough where the Browns have to kind of see
where this thing goes, because again, they don't have anyone else.
It's not like if the I don't know, you know,

(10:33):
like the Jalen Milroe situation in Seattle. I know Jalen
Milroe was a second third round pick, not a fifth
round pick, but like you know it like he played
well enough where I think they have to keep seeing
what they have in him because they do not have
a legitimate better option long term big picture. Maybe he's

(10:54):
not the better answer long term big picture, but he
showed enough where he could be And I thinks and
I'll be quick because I know I'm going along here.
He's got good tape now, and that matters because if
for some reason the Browns decide that they don't like him,
or that they're not whatever, whatever the scenario is, he
showed that he's capable, and I think in theory he
would get another chance. But I don't think the Brown's

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getting rid of it. So everyone that says it doesn't
matter it's only the preseason, it actually matters a lot.
Even if you know, I whatever, I've said enough, j Mart,
But I think there's there's a lot for you to
react to there.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
Yeah, so I agree with virtually everything that you said,
and I agree with what he from Salam said to
to a point. Okay, I haven't gone and listened to it,
but I'm gonna go back after the show and listen
to it because I want to hear the story because
I have something similar in that My old broadcast partner,
Ramon Foster, was undrafted coming out of Tennessee, and he

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told us many many times about how every year he
felt like he had to go win his job again,
even though he was a starter for so many years
in Pittsburgh, that every single year he always felt that way.
So you talk about e from Salam being a seventh
round draft pick, and we're talking about shud Or Sanders
who had that precipitous fall that we're probably going to
see in a documentary one day, just as an example.

(12:13):
So here's where I disagree in terms of the statement.
It's just that it can't be a blanket statement. Okay,
it's not that it doesn't matter at all. It's that
it depends on who you are and what your level
of job security is. What your level of security is there,
your point about the tape is perfect, Like that's exactly right.

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If you are kind of on that borderline, then you
are trying to show other teams, hey, come pick me
up if they drop me, because they might right that
it might be a team that's just too stacked at
one position. But I got some talent I can come
help you out. So all those things matter. But ultimately,
what the preseason comes down to Erin is about seven
somewhere around seven spots that are still up for grabs,

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and most of everything else is figured out. Like, yes,
maybe you can go up or down the depth chart,
but it can't be a blanket statement because if it
were important to everybody. If it didn't hold water, if
the idea that the preseason didn't matter didn't hold water
with any NFL player, then they would all participate in it.
And most of them don't because they're already pretty secure
in their jobs. But Ramon Foster, ephrom Salaam, even Shude

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or Sanders because of where he was drafted, it's a
different story there, and they have a completely different mental
feeling about the preseason and just about football in general
because their road was so much different. So I think
that there's truth to be sure in what Ephraim is
saying and what my old broadcast partner had said to

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me at many, many times about his experience in Pittsburgh.
But I don't know that it's true all the way
across the board. But certainly for those guys that are borderline,
those guys that might get cut and as you mentioned,
might be a starter or might be on the breadline
looking for another job somewhere in the NFL, Yes, the
preseason means absolutely everything. And you know that because if

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you watch Hard Knocks, you're seeing intentionally a few of
those players, those guys that you're not sure, and they
give you a little bit of their personality, so maybe
you root for them, but you still don't know, And
so you're watching the preseason games with a little bit
more interest because their performance matters so much and locally
if you have a team, and I covering the Titans

(14:26):
as long as I did, you know, I saw this
every single year there would be two three guys, whether
they were draftees or guys that have been brought in
or walk the guys that had just kind of shown
up to the facility and been part of it all
of a sudden like that would they would just kind
of capture the fan base and the van base would
get super excited about everything that they did and said, man,

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he's got to make this team, Mason Kinsey, Man, he's
got to make this team. Just as one example of
these guys. And it's just like, no, that's not how
it works, and the preseason is not is not going
to be reflective of whether or not the this guy
is gonna make the team. But ultimately, yes, good tape
and for a guy that is just right there on
that border like in it from Salaam, one hundred percent

(15:10):
agree with that. I just think you can't go so
far as to say the preseason matters across the board,
because clearly it doesn't.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
Yeah, And all I'll say is, and I think this
is the benefit for Schador and this is something we
talked about dating back to draft night, is he is
in a spot where there is an opportunity for him.
There are, as you said, there's only a couple of
spots that are actually available every training camp. But he
is in a spot at a place, at a position

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that if he thrives, he could in theory get one
of those final spots, you know. So like I'm just
looking as an example at last night's Atlanta Detroit box score, Okay,
And I want to bring it up because we know
the Atlanta quarterback situation maybe a little too well. Michael Pennix,
Kirk Cousins. They also have, as de Seger called him

(15:59):
last night, former Chargers preseason quarterback Easton Stick. That is,
you know, basically a guy who's a good locker room guy.
He's been around forever. He's you know, been in the
league for about seven years now, great locker room guy.
Then they started a rookie, or they didn't start. They
played a rookie named Emery Jones, and I only bring
up Emery Jones because they already have three established quarterbacks

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there and I know the Cousins situation is weird, but
it's like there's pretty much nothing Emery Jones can do
to find his way into one of those three spots
on the roster. And I don't know what that means
for the bigger picture of his career, but it's just
that's an example of like a spot where yeah, it's
all well and good and you know whatever, but no

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matter what he does, he's probably not getting one of
those spots because to your point, Jamrt, there isn't a
spot at that position on that team, and so the
only thing with Shadoor is that there is opportunity on
that team at that specific position. And it kind of
put a bow on my thought on Shador is that again,
I think it's one of those situations where he could

(17:07):
have played himself out of the conversation proved that he
didn't deserve one of those roster spots. But in my opinion,
I know, the stats don't look overwhelming, but if you
watch the game, and I know you did, jam Mart,
I'm just saying for the public in general, the stats
don't look overwhelming, But I think he played well enough
where the Browns have to sit there and think there's
the potential that we have something, and they're going to

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kind of continue to see exactly what they have over
the next couple weeks.

Speaker 1 (17:32):
Yeah. I don't really have anything to add there. I
just I agree. I mean, I think that's exactly right,
and I think that the point that you made is
exactly accurate that in his position, he had the ability
to either sink or swim. Essentially, like, if you go
out there and your perform, then you're going to get
another shot. If you don't, you might just kind of

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confirm some other things about you and then you just
kind of fade off for a while and you aren't
talked about. This not only keeps him in the conversation,
but it kind of again starts to turn that narrative
back to the Shador that we were talking about a
year ago as opposed to the one we were talking
about four months ago.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
Absolutely, Shador Sanders, as we said, fourteen of twenty three
two touchdown passes in his debut. For what it's worth, again,
I know preseason is that everything, but the Browns do
get the win in Shudor sant the other thing to
j Martin really quick, and we'll get we'll come back,
we'll do some other stuff like e from brought this
up with such a good point. Only game of only

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time I've ever seen fans in the stands with a
fifth rounders jersey, that's one, and it was in the
opposing venue, Like you know, I had the you know,
I was hosting in this moment, so you're not really
paying attention, like, oh, there's a lot of Shadore jerseys
and you're like, oh, the game is in Carolina and

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people are wearing Shadoor Browns jersey. So it shows you
the impact that he has and it's show you know.
And I'll just say this will be a little bit
of a negative to kind of end this segment. But
this is why I think a lot of teams didn't
want to take him as the backup quarterback because they
know how popular he is, how famous he is, and
you know, there's a lot that comes with him. Good

(19:15):
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(20:46):
Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. One quick correction from
last segment. I think I said Panthers Radio Network on
the Shador Sanders touchdown pass call. It was actually, and
if you were listening, makes sense, it was Brown's Radio Network.
That crew was very excited with Shdor Sanders.

Speaker 1 (21:04):
Define we sounded more home cooking than me. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
Yeah, probably should have just used some common sense there,
but it was Brown's Radio Network there really quickly J Martin,
you know, in addition to Schador Sanders, a couple guys
either making career debuts or debuts in new places, whatever,
just kind of want to rip through a couple just
kind of get your perspective and you know, share my

(21:27):
own of course on just what to expect, what everything
going into a season. Just some guys that play throughout
the day today. I do want to start in your hometown, Tennessee.
Titans were in Tampa. We did get one series of
cam Ward, a couple series cam Ward five of eight
passing sixty seven yards passing did lead a touchdown drive,

(21:51):
although it was not a touchdown pass. I'd just be curious,
you know, you you live in Tennessee. The what's the
right what's the right word? The uh returns early. Everybody
seems to be happy with the band. I just want
what is the perspective? What? What is what is the
buzz around cam Ward right now?

Speaker 1 (22:10):
In town? I don't listen to local media here anymore,
but I would say that my thoughts on cam Ward
are probably similar to most, which is, I can't tell
you how high I think his ceiling is. I'm not sure.
I'm really not sure, but I don't think he is
one of those guys where the floor is the core

(22:32):
of the earth, you know. Like, I think he's gonna
be pretty good. That's that's that's kind of just baseline.
I know that's not that's sort of lukewarm. But at
the same time, I just I think he can play.
Do I think he's gonna be all world? I really
I would probably say no, but I'm not one hundred
percent sure. We'll see, but I think he's going to

(22:53):
be better than serviceable, if that makes any sense. So
I mean, you don't get a lot at a five
of five of eight for sixty seven yards. He did
hit Calvin Ridley three times on that drive, and what
you have heard, at least what I've read, is that
he and Ridley have had a really good connection already,
and that's a positive for sure for him. But I mean,

(23:15):
I don't think anybody's terribly surprised if you watched his
act over the last couple of years. I just I
think he's a very competent football player that's going to
go in there and do some good things. I don't
know that we're watching Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, Joe Burrow,
somebody like that, and him being a number one pick,
you know, you start to compare him against some of
those guys. That's unfair to do. I don't know how

(23:35):
good the football team around him is either. I think
they're going to be better than they were last year,
but that's that's a low bar to clear. But at
the same time, I think that I think it's progress.
I think it's better than what they had, and I
think that he is likely to, you know, make them
worth watching again, which they haven't been in a couple

(23:55):
of seasons.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
Yeah, I was gonna actually ask you real quick. I
don't want to turn this into a Titan segment because
I do want to go to some other guys. But
I was just curious how bad exactly is the roster
around him. And I only bring it up because we
know that they just cut Traylon Burks, who was just
a first round pick a couple of years ago, and
they were obviously in position to get the number one

(24:17):
overall pick. Is it as bad as I think it is?
It's not good, Yeah, because number one overall pick, and
you know, a guy on the tail end of a
rookie deal that in theory would be one of your
few bright young stars just got cut after an injury.
It just feels like it's not in a great place
right now.

Speaker 1 (24:37):
So look, John Robinson when he lost his job as
a general manager, you know, there was definitely some handwringing
there and had to do with AJ Brown going to
Philadelphia and just kind of a knee jerk reaction I
felt like from the front office. But at the same time,
what you mentioned is right, and Traylon Burke's who got cut,
he hadn't been able to stay healthy at any point
in his career, and you found out he was he
had some shape issues and some asthma issues back at Arkansas. Okay,

(25:01):
I think it was the year before Caleb Farley was
a first round draft pick for the Tennessee Titans. Caleb Farley,
who had dealt with some serious injuries at Virginia Tech.
Uh couldn't stay on the field. Uh couldn't stay on
the field in the NFL, and wasn't good when he
was there. So they blew multiple first round draft picks
in a row. The only reason I mentioned all that

(25:22):
is not to give you Tennessee Titans history, but to
explain they're playing from behind when it comes to roster construction.
They paid a lot of money for Bud DePree. He
played pretty well, but obviously that didn't end up moving
the needle for them. Overall. They used to have Deniko Watcher,
who I thought was really good next to Jeff Simmons.
They of course don't have him now they do have
some young guys, but you love, I mean, look at
what Mike Vrabel's done. He took Harold Landry, so Landry's

(25:45):
now in New England Patriot. So you look at all
of those factors and then you look at the rest
of that division, they're they're par for the course, right,
I mean there there is, They're just there's just holes
everywhere that need to be filled, and you've got them
on both sides of the football. At the very least,
if you can find a quarterback that puts you in
the conversation again, and maybe they have, maybe they have.

(26:06):
I think that the jury is out. But at the
same time, I'm more optimistic about that than you know,
maybe some people nationally that haven't gotten to watch cam
Ward at all or didn't pay attention to what he
did in college. But your take on it, I think
is accurate. It's not a I wouldn't say it's a
bear cupboard, but it's definitely one where if you had

(26:27):
to empty the dishwasher, you could fit them all in
that cupboard. Like you have plenty of room there, but
you might have three or four cups in there already.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
Tell you what, I do want to get to some
other guys making their debuts this weekend in the preseason
before we do. Though, speaking of guys, speaking of preseason,
Steve de Sager coming straight from Sofi Stadium, you.

Speaker 6 (26:49):
Know studio actually, but yes, that game you weren't at
the swim no tomorrow, at the stadium today in the studio,
so it's.

Speaker 1 (26:57):
A fu drive.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
I was gonna say, now, I'm not impressed. I thought,
you know, I thought you were shoving. I retract my compliment. Yeah,
I thought you were the one that ran over Ceede
Lamb on your way to the studio. I guess I
guess that that wasn't you. Okay, get to know.

Speaker 6 (27:11):
Deserve a flag on that too. By the way, the
last of the night's preseason games has about a minute
to go.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
In the Bay Area.

Speaker 6 (27:17):
The Broncos were down nine to nothing after the first
quarter against the Niners. It's Denver thirty to nine right now.
Jared Stidham with two touchdown passes off the bench. We
do have three injuries to update. First off, the Rams
quarterback Matthew Stafford does not only is out for this
game tonight, he hasn't even practiced once in training camp
because of a bad back. The plan was to have

(27:39):
a workout earlier in the day, and his coach says
there were no limitations in that workout today and quote,
we're looking forward to progressing him back to practice on Monday.
He's had an aggravated disc in his back, keeping him
out of practice. Meanwhile, you may have seen the quarterback
injury for the much younger Anthony Richardson at the Colts
exhibition opener on Thursday. He took a sack and dislocated

(28:03):
his right pinky finger. He was participating in practice for
the Colts today, was able to grip and throw the
ball in the individual and team drills. According to the
Athletic and the greatest closer ever, Mariano Rivera was injured
today at the Yankees Old Timers game. They brought that
back for the first time since twenty nineteen, and Mariano
Rivera was playing defense, not on the mound short center field,

(28:26):
going after a flyball torn achilles at the age of
fifty five. He will have an operation within a week. Rivera,
as a player back in twenty twelve tour an acl
while shagging fly balls in batting practice. Well, we do
have two more NFL exhibitions Tomorrow, Miami at the Bears
one pm Eastern, and then the Chargers host New Orleans

(28:46):
four pm Eastern. That will be LA's quarterback Taylor Heineke
against Saints QB Spencer Rattler. The Jets did win thirty
to ten at Green Bay, justin fields at thirteen yard
touchdown run for the winners Arizona twenty to seventeen over
Kansas City, one pass thrown by Patrick Mahomes. It was
an early TV pass. Tampa Bay over Tennessee twenty nine

(29:07):
to seven in the first quarter. It was a yardage
advantage for the Bucks of one forty three to five.
Pittsburgh won at Jacksonville thirty one twenty five, but for
the Jags, Cam Little booted a seventy yard field goal
to end the first half. No, it does not break
the record because it's an exhibition game. Rams over Dallas
thirty one to twenty one. Blake Korm with two short

(29:28):
touchdown runs. Minnesota beat Houston twenty to ten today. Jordan Addison,
facing suspension once the regular season gets going, had three
receptions today and the Giants won at Buffalo thirty four
to twenty five to Major League Baseball Shoheo Tani is
homered at Dodger Stadium tonight. It's his fortieth of the season,
and the Dodger lead is now nine to one over Toronto.

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In the top of the eighth inning, LA's starting pitcher
Blake's now went five scoreless innings with ten strikeouts. At Seattle,
cal Rawley with his forty fourth homer. The Mariners lead
six to one over time Tampa Bay and the top
of the sixth the Padres had their closer on to
try and finish off Boston. The Red Sox have scored
on a ground rule double to tie the game four
to four in the top of the ninth. At San Diego,

(30:12):
the Cubs won nine to one. At Saint Louis, Milwaukee
beat the Mets with four runs in the seventh, seven
to four. Philadelphia won at Texas, beating Jacob de Grom
three to two, and then the Yankees today with the
solo homer bottom of the eighth edg in Houston five
to four.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
Back to you, Thank you very much, Steve de Seger.
This is Fox Sports Radio, Fox Sports Saturday Air towards
Jason Martin, broadcasting live from the Fox Sports Radio Studios.
Great to have NFL football back. There's no other way
to put it, h j mart Do you want to
hit out a couple other guys that have made some
degree of debuts over the last couple of days. Be
it for a new team? Or whatever the situation may be.

(30:50):
And the situation in Minnesota is that JJ McCarthy making
his debut coming off of multiple knee surgeries a year ago.
Very limited playing time for JJ McCarthy overall, four of
seven passing thirty yards, so about four and a half
yards per completion. Kind of sounds like his Michigan career.

Speaker 1 (31:09):
But yeah, but that's like if he played all four quarters.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
Yes, but also like his Michigan career. They won in
a very Michigan twenty to ten final score. We're being
a little bit sarcastic here, but JJ McCarthy, you know,
he did our NFC North preview a few weeks ago.
I think we both had Minnesota going over their win total.
But JJ McCarthy, obviously, you know, because of the situation

(31:34):
he was in at Michigan, wasn't asked to do a lot.
Because of that, It makes him a pseudo polarizing quarterback
prospect here as he begins the season as the starter,
What do you expect? What are you hoping to see fromhim?

Speaker 1 (31:45):
Well, I mean I'm hoping to see good play from him.
I want to see as many good quarterbacks as we
can have in this league. I don't know what I
expect from him, because again, like what we saw at Michigan,
it was still kind of up in the air. I
wasn't sure what to make of him as a pro
prospect either, Like it seemed like everybody was high on him,
but I wasn't all that high on him. I wasn't

(32:06):
necessarily low. But it's just like, what are you basing
this on. You've seen a lot that I haven't seen
when it comes to like high school footage or something,
because you didn't see all that he wasn't But it
wasn't necessarily that he couldn't do it. It's that he wasn't
asked to because that team was about Blake korum A
running the football and playing defense for Jim Harball. But

(32:27):
to his credit, when they did call upon McCarthy to
make some big plays, he seemed to make them almost
every single time. And so maybe he was a clutch
guy and it's just he was never fully unleashed, and
we can see that potentially in the pros. There's a
reason why the Vikings drafted him as high as they did.
It's the reason why they made the move that they did,
and he goes to a team that I loved the

(32:48):
head coach, and there's a ton of great weapons around him,
so I think he has all that you would want
when it comes to just a position to succeed on
the offensive side of the ball. So I don't know
what I expect, but we both went over and I
don't think either one of us would have done that
if we thought that McCarthy was gonna go out there
and stick up the joint.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
JJ McCarthy again four of seven in his debut, and
I'll just put a bow on this by saying, I
tend to agree with you. Plenty of weapons around him,
great play caller. I'm a little hotter on JJ McCarthy.
I guess solely because again I think he gets discredited
for just winning at Michigan because of all the talent

(33:28):
around him, and it's like, I don't know, man, I
think he's going to be pretty good and it'll be
interesting in that division with a lot of just very young,
very interesting quarterbacks. Fox Sports Radio Air Towards Jason Martin
broadcasting live from the Fox Sports Radio Studios. Coming up,
we'll look at a couple other quarterbacks make it debuts.

Speaker 1 (33:48):
Some point.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
We got to talk about a very interesting quote from
John Gruden today as well, maybe we do the groomers now,
We'll save the quarterbacks for later. John Gruden, you will
not believe what he said. That's next Fox Welcome back everybody.
Fox Sports Radio Erra towards Jason Martin, broadcasting live from
the Fox Sports Radio studios. About twelve minutes from now,

(34:11):
jmart we'll talk about could college football use more of
a formal preseason? Just feels like there's just not a
lot of headlines in college football. But it was funny
because as I was getting ready for our show, I
heard Chris Plank, who was obviously hosting the show before
us with Jason mart Now with Jason Martin, you're with

(34:32):
me with artist expressive, it would have been a lot
of work for you.

Speaker 1 (34:36):
Well, no, it would have been impressive because I mean
like it would have been impressive for me. Yeah, because
I was reading a book and somehow hosting a radio
show at the same time. For the last half hour
before I went on.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
Some would say you could have done a better job
than Arnie Spanner even while reading a book. But another
time I didn't say I'm just kidding, all right, so
real quick, but you know, It was funny because Plank says, yeah,
you know, a big story out of college or I
don't think he's a big but he said, you know,
interesting story out of college football today is like, where

(35:09):
could he be going with this? Well, I bring it
up because a very interesting piece of audio kind of
surfaced over the court on the Internet over the course
of the day. John Gruden, of course, former NFL not
only head coach but Super Bowl winning head coach, one
does now with just a lot of media with barstool

(35:29):
and has kind of his own show. But he's doing
like a tour of all these different all these different
training camps. At this time of the year. He was
speaking to Georgia Football. A clip surfaced from his show
talking to the Georgia football team, Mary before we play
a time before it plays down. Couple expletives. We have

(35:51):
edited them out, but you know, if there's children in
the car, just be warned. But here is what John
Gruden told the Georgia Bulldogs about him wanting to coaching
college football. The only reason I really came here is
I want to coach again. I'm being honest with you.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
I do not belie either.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
I want to coach again. I'd die to coach in
the SEC. I would love it.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
I would love it.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
I would die to coach in the SEC. I would
f ing love it. J Mart certainly made the rounds,
and I'll just be really quick. I'll say this. You
know the one school that everybody, I don't know everybody
linked to, but the school that certainly got the most interest,
Arkansas is almost certainly going to have a head coaching

(36:35):
opening this year. I'm pretty sure Gruden has some friendship
with John Daly, who is from Arkansas, but you don't
we don't have to talk Arkansas necessarily. But big picture,
are you buying or selling John Gruden SEC football coach
at one of our sixteen SEC schools.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
I was the one who said, know when it seems
like half the state that I live in thought he
was going to Tennessee, right the original groomers were sending
him to Knoxville like that was the thing that was
going to happen. That I was just like, no, one,
it's not going to happen. And two, why do you
want that to happen? I will say this, you got
a lot of guys that are getting out of college

(37:14):
sports when it comes to coaching because of the changes,
it would almost make sense for an NFL guy to
go the opposite direction because they're used to a different thing.
And when you look at Gruden, Gruden just wants to coach, period.
Like I think he made that point abruptly clear. And like, man,
let's say it was Arkansas. You got John cal Perry

(37:35):
and John Gruden. What I mean at that point, do
you move like seven or eight people from all the
major sports networks to the state of Arkansas just to
cover that on a day to day basis. I'm buying
it just from him being the personality that would fit
in the league. I mean he would, he would fit,

(37:55):
he would do all those kinds of things, and he
would play those games properly. Now do I think that
that would translate the wins? I have absolutely no idea,
But I'm all for it. But for the entertainment value,
no question about that. I mean, why would you be
against it from an entertainment standpoint?

Speaker 2 (38:10):
That is why I am so on board with it. One,
the guy's just entertaining as hell. And two it's like, listen,
you know Arkansas's coach named Sam Pittman. He's actually not
terrible all things considered, they won nine games in twenty
twenty one, They've been to a bowl game three in
the last four years. There's also zero juice. And you know,
I bet people listening didn't even realize they've been to

(38:33):
a bull game three the last four years because there
is literally no juice around that program at all. So
I would be into it just because I just think
it'd be fun for college football, and I am I
am in favor of schools that like, respectfully, we'll have
trouble competing at the top of this new year. Like
if it was Ohio State, I would say, yeah, I

(38:53):
don't know if Gruden's the guy. If it was Alabama,
I don't know if Goruden's the guy, if it was LSU,
if it was USC But it's Arkansas, and it's like,
you got a coach that nobody I don't even think
anybody really likes, even at Arkansas. It's just like, why
not go get John Gruden? What's the worst that can happen?
It doesn't work out, well, guess what, you could hire
a dude from the Sun Belt or the AAC and

(39:17):
it doesn't work out either. So I'll be quick. We
don't have very much left in this hour. But that's
my take. Jmart entertainment value. It's Arkansas. I'd be totally
on board if it happened, even though you know it's
just internet chatter here on a Saturday in July.

Speaker 1 (39:32):
Yeah, but I mean at the same time, yeah, Arkansas
then becomes something you pay attention to in football. And look,
Sam Pittman had that program going in the right direction
a few years ago. It's kind of plateaued out at
that point in time. But like you bring in Gruden,
people are paying attention, they want to see it. Of course,
there's the other stuff with Gruden surrounding that, which would
cause a little bit of trouble, but I think you
could probably mitigate that if you're the SEC and just

(39:54):
keep on moving forward. I like say, I'm all for it,
just because I want college football to be as entertaining
and chaotic as it possibly can. And I can't imagine,
you know, adding the powder keg of John Gruden into
the mix wouldn't make the SEC even more fascinating.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
Bill Belichick to Carolina, another NFL guy, maybe John Gruden,
who knows more college football coming up? Fox Sports Radio.
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio welcome in everybody.
Hour two tours and Martin Fox Sports Radio. We are
broadcasting live from the Fox Sports Radio studios. Still two

(40:31):
hours to come. Bernie Fratto of The Bernie Frado Show
follows us. If you missed any hour one, make sure
to download the podcast. We still got plenty more football
to talk. I think it's the first day, Jmart. I
think it's probably the first day since like February. I
don't think we're gonna have time for any basketball or baseball.

(40:52):
I mean, obviously Disagre's gonna have some great updates, but
you know you want those Luca Lebron hot takes, you're
gonna have to go somewhere else. All football for us US, Jamn,
I want to ask you a question about college football. Actually, yeah,
I got another question, but I actually do have one
legitimate question for you before we get to the actual
segment I have planned. I just saw a tweet of

(41:13):
the renovations at Vanderbilt's football stadium. Do people care about
Vanderbilt football?

Speaker 1 (41:19):
Like?

Speaker 4 (41:19):
No?

Speaker 2 (41:19):
Sarcasm? Go ahead? Good? Did you say no?

Speaker 1 (41:23):
I mean people in terms of like the vast majority? No?
Are there some that do? Yeah? Of course, my one
of my in laws, as a matter of fact, went
to Vanderbilt, So it does you know, it certainly matters
to some people. I know many people that went to
our friend Klay Travis went to Vanderbilt. But let me

(41:43):
tell you this, Clay Travis don't care about.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
Van I'm gonna say probably not as well as you do.
You don't care about Vanderbilt football.

Speaker 1 (41:50):
So yeah, So I mean like that's that's that's kind
of where we are. It's it's something that is sort
of interesting. I'm like, Diego Papia made that kind of
fun last year, and I don't think anybody most people
were not. Unless you're a Tennessee fan, you're not really
rooting against Vanderbilt when it comes to football. It's just

(42:10):
kind of like it's sort of like a novelty more
than anything else. But I think more than anything, it's
just kind of ambivalence, Like you could still drive right
where the stadium is and not run into traffic on
Saturdays for game day except from opposing teams fans, gotcha.

Speaker 2 (42:27):
I ironically you might not remember. You probably don't remember this,
but I was actually supposed to be in Nashville the
weekend of Yeah Usama. Yeah, and we are friends that
we were meeting. Unfortunately, everything was fine, but that was
I think there was a hurricane that came through like
Georgia where they were living at the time. They were fine,
but kids were involved and they decided to cancel the trips.

(42:49):
So I was supposed to be in Nashville for that week.
But yeah, I just saw some pictures. I thought you'd
be a good person to ask. But I do want
to get to a topic that I kind of just
threw out to you in the group, Chad and you know,
producer Brie and everybody, and that's this is that you know,
we did just talk a little bit about Gruden. So
Gruden gave us a little bit of a talking point

(43:10):
here on a Saturday. But it really struck me this week,
j mart is that I think of every sport in America,
college football has by far the worst lead up two
a season of any major sport. Major League Baseball has
spring training, even college basketball, like and I know I'm

(43:32):
a little bit of a college basketball nerd. They now
allow good teams to play each other in exhibition season,
like Purdue is playing at Kentucky, Duke is playing at
Tennessee in the preseason, and yes it's niche, but at
least it gives fans something to get excited about a
week or two before the season. And it really struck

(43:53):
me this week one just looking for any piece of
tangible news as we were getting ready for this show.
There's really nothing out there. And then two also just
watching Hard Knocks and seeing I know it's not an
everyday occurrence, but basically fans are welcome to just come
watch the Bills practice a couple times a week.

Speaker 1 (44:15):
And so.

Speaker 2 (44:17):
I just think college football, as we get deeper into
this world where it is basically professional football on a
college campus, I think you owe it to the fans,
and I think you're doing yourself a disservice where yeah,
like listen, you and I are gonna talk about it
and think about it because we care. And certainly when

(44:37):
the game start that Week one, when Clemson's playing LSU
and Texas's playing, We're all gonna watch. I'm not saying
that I do feel like the sport does itself a disservice.
I do feel like, whether it's having fans more present
at you know, practices, whether it's more media availability, we
can even in a minute get into the idea of

(44:59):
preseason game. It's just like, I just think it has
the worst preseason. There's nothing to get the casual person
hyped about college football. It's just diehards like you and
I that are kind of scratching and clawing to find
any piece of relevant news this time of year.

Speaker 1 (45:14):
Yeah, I mean, I think that's true. One thing that's
kind of weird is it seems like you get less
access when you go further away from the pros. Like
I remember when I was calling high school games, and dude,
it was like trying to infiltrate the Pentagon to get
like coaches to actually sit down and talk about game

(45:38):
plans and talk about strategies and even tell you what
schemes that they were running things like that. And the
difference is like in the NFL, I can find that
stuff out in high school, it's not that easy. Like
I kind of am sort of at the mercy if
I'm a broadcaster in that spot. I'm at the mercy
of that program to kind of help me understand and
fill in the gaps so that I can make that

(45:58):
And I used to say, look, I'm not trying to
sell sell your your plans to the opponent. I'm just
trying to make it make you sound decent on TV
because I I have nothing else to go on here.
But then, like in college, everything's more shrouded in secrecy.
And then you have like the NFL, where as you mentioned,

(46:19):
you got fans that are there getting autographs and spending
some time with the teams that are at least you know,
maybe a third of the practice or something like that
are kind of open to them. But it seems like
there's much more there. It's like it's it seemed much
more as a product. I think that I can understand
to some degree like wanting to, you know, create a

(46:41):
bit of a boundary. But I also think that as
college football starts to feel and look and truly just
be much more just close to the pro game, now,
I think you can give more access because I think
that the sport fundamentally has changed, not in terms of

(47:02):
what's happening during the sixty minutes on the field, but
basically everything else surrounding the business of college football has
shifted to such a degree that you no longer have
to protect student athletes from the public or anything like that. Like,
I think that now it's sort of it just feels antiquated.
It's basically daylight saving stom at this point, like you

(47:23):
could just kind of I think college football could step
into the new century. But I do think that the difference,
one of the only differences, is college football coaches in
the power that they used to have. They love the
idea of being able to control every variable, and I
think that that has shifted in the NIL area in

(47:44):
the NIL era to a degree that now now I
think that the floodgates are probably going to open to
some degree.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
So that was exactly my thought is that one obviously
look in the NIL era, and I know that in
the schools can now pay the players, and it's supposed
to take the burden off of the fans. But let's
also be honest, schools are always going to find a
way to get more money to players. And so one,
you're just asking more of the fans financially, ticket prices

(48:14):
are up. I know a Tennessee where you live, that's
like a big talking point is they've raised prices significantly
the last year or two in this NIL era to
raise more money. Uh, whatever, One you're asking more from fans. Two,
I also just have less sympathy for the coaches too, right,
It's like, dude, get paid eight million dollars a year,

(48:34):
seven million dollars year. This ain't you know nineteen eighty
four where you know you're getting paid whatever. Like the
point is you're getting paid a lot of money, and
I'm sorry if it's uncomfortable for you, Brian Kelly or
Kirby Smart to give access to the program. I also
don't really care. You got eight million dollars. You know,

(48:56):
what do they say? You know, people that make thirty
thousand dollars a year thirty thousand dollars problems and eight
million dollars you have eight million. Well that's an eight
million dollars year problem. Oh my god. So many people
care about my team that I have to open up
practice a few times a week and do a little
bit more media availability. Like I'm sorry. If Andy Reid
can do it, and if Sean McVay can do it,

(49:16):
you can do it as well. Let me ask you
this because this was when I originally pitched this a
few you know, I've talked to a few people just
about this idea over the last couple of days. A
couple of people perceived it as I was pushing for
preseason in college football, and I'm not even necessarily doing that.
I think, to me, it's more about the media access

(49:37):
and it's more about the fan access more than anything.
But I will ask you, like, what do you think
about the idea of allowing say, a preseason game, And
people would say. The two pushbacks I've heard is you know, well,
you don't want to get anybody hurt. It's like, well,
guess what, neither do NFL teams. They don't play starters.
The other thing that I've heard is well, you don't

(49:57):
want to play anybody because you're trying to high players
kind of in this transfer portal era where players can leave.
And my argument to that would be, dude, you're playing
in August for December, January, February, whatever. It's like the possibility. One,
these are players that might have to play in games anyway,

(50:17):
So it's like, what are you gonna do hide somebody
if the third string got you know, if the third
string player needs to play. But two, it's also four
or five months out. Like I said, college basketball has
televised exhibition games now, So I don't buy the portal thing,
But would you care? Do you think it would be
any added benefit if say Georgia was hosting some random

(50:39):
team today even if their starters weren't playing, or do
you think that's kind of an no en void.

Speaker 1 (50:45):
I don't know. I'd have to see it. I'm not
like I don't have like a gag reflex when it
comes to like I just ate mayonnaise. I may have
just spoiled that for people out there, but I can't
stand Mayna's, So now you know something new about me.
I can't be around it. Like if I'm in the
room and I smell it, got to go. So it's
not like that, like I don't hear your idea and

(51:06):
immediately recoil and feel like I have to leave. But
I'd have to see how it actually looked, and i'd
have to see how the teams approached it. I think
if nothing else, opening up practice to at least maybe
once a week or something like that just kind of
be more accommodating and just kind of open door when

(51:27):
it comes to just giving a little bit of accessibility
to these fans that you're asking to pay more and
more and more while you are raking in all these
TV dollars and everything else like that, it doesn't have
to be You're on this giant mountaintop and everybody else

(51:47):
is looking at you from the bottom, just hoping that
maybe they can catch a glimpse. I think that you
can actually treat it a bit more like an entertainment
product at this point, because there's no longer this I
don't know even what you would call it, but the
charade that all this was about academics when we've known
for a very long time that it is not.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
Yeah, I would put a bow on it by saying
I actually I actually agree with all of it. Is
when I kind of have been thinking about this, My
first thought wasn't preseason games and don't I don't really
know that it would be an additive just because the
chances that you would see meaningful players is next to none,
almost like old school spring games that are now another

(52:30):
thing of the past because of the transfer portal. So yeah,
I just like I said, I think college football as
a collective needs to do better to get casual people
interested in their sport. And I think that's one thing.
You know, the NFL has a fifty year head start
on this, but we all know the NFL does an
amazing job of keeping people engaged in the offseason, be

(52:54):
it free agency, be at the draft, be it whatever.
College football hasn't really figured out that part of it
yet where it feels like, yeah, the portal you kind
of care about a little bit if you're a fan,
right yeah, But you get past like the middle of January,
you're not really thinking about college football right up until
week one, or at least week zero, which, by the way,

(53:16):
two weekends from now, jmart one weekend left without college football,
So at least that's a little bit of a saving
grace is we do get week zero two saturdays from now,
Week one three saturdays from now. Fox Sports Radio erators
Jayson Martin broadcasting live from the Fox Sports Radio Studios,
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Coming up, we will continue our preseason look at all

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eight NFL divisions. I'll say this NFC South intriguing because
it's pretty wide open. We'll discuss that next. Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 4 (54:10):
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Speaker 2 (54:22):
Welcome back everybody, Fox Sports Radio air Torres Jason Martin
broadcasting live from the Fox Sports Radio studios. So the
last three weeks we have begun our division by division
over under win total previews we have done so far,
the NFC East, the NFC North, the NFC West. We

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are tallying them. We will monitor them at the end
of the year. And things worked out perfectly because today
is the NFC South.

Speaker 1 (54:56):
Ah.

Speaker 2 (54:56):
Yes, Well, we have our Fox Sports Radio NFC South,
the insider bre the only Saints fan I know, and
I don't think they're picking up a lot of Bandwagon
fans here anytime in the near future. So I'll tell
you what, Mary, give us a little music, put us
in the mood. Bre NFC South, tell us who we're
starting with.

Speaker 7 (55:15):
Alrighty, guys, We're gonna start with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
over under nine and a half wins.

Speaker 8 (55:21):
J Mart, you are up?

Speaker 1 (55:23):
Oh man, Well, I mean they beat the Tennessee Titans
in preseason action. Are you going today? Don't know what
that tells you, But if you're someone that wants to
try to read tea leaves, then good for you. I'm
just looking at the schedule generally, so it's kind of
it's manageable. I mean, you play Philadelphia, you go to Seattle,

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which is never easy, road game against the Lions, road
game against the Bills. You play the Rams on the
road as well. Yeah, so those are pretty difficult nine
and a half. I like Baker Mayfield. I like the Buccaneers.
I still think that vision is weak and they should
be able to dominate it. Man, I think that's probably

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right on the money. I think I'll go over. I
think they can win ten games there, if by no
other reason than default, because the division is still just
not very good.

Speaker 2 (56:16):
The division is not good. I'm actually gonna go under
on this one, and it's not like a hard under,
like you said, I think that the number is about right.
Two years ago they won the division at nine and eight.
It would not shock me if they did the same.
You know, Jamar, I was thinking about this. I think
it's easy to forget remember that weird Todd Bowles Liam

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Cohen thing like when Liam Yeah, for people to forget
like so, Liam Cohen is of course the new Jacksonville
Jaguars head coach, and there was like a thing where
he was gonna leave Tampa and then Tampa basically tried
to force out Todd Bowles to keep them, but they
didn't want to force out Todd Bowles. Well, I bring
it up because Todd Bowles is back. They have a

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first time offensive coordinator, and like you said, the schedule
is certainly because of the division, not brutal, but you
do still have a four week stretch Eagles forty nine
ers at Lions, and then later out of the year
you still have Buffalo and the La Rams. So again,
it's not a hard under of they're winning five games,

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they're winning six games, but I'll say nine to eight
and under still might be good enough to win the division. Bree,
who we got next?

Speaker 7 (57:25):
We have the Atlanta Falcons over under seven and a
half tour as you're up.

Speaker 2 (57:31):
No, Jamin, I'm gonna go over weird last year with
Kirk Cousins and Michael Pennix. And I'll be honest, you know,
going back in hindsight and looking at this, Michael Pennix
didn't really, frankly, play as much as I thought he did,
and they weren't as successful when he was in as
I seemed to remember them being. They went basically one

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and two with him as a starter. I know the
vibes are weird, but there is a reason that he
took that they took early. There is a there is
so much talent on the offensive side of the ball,
and they just need to be a little bit better defensively.
Twenty third in the NFL in scoring defense and total defense.
I think in this division they can find the wins.

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You said seven and a half free, right, Yes, that
is correct. So I'm gonna go just a little bit over.
I think they're right in that eight to nine win
range for the NFL.

Speaker 1 (58:23):
Oh that's what they were last year. They were eight
to nine last year. I'm gonna go over as well.
And so I'm taking a look at the bye week
as one of my reasonings for this, because they have
a stretch where they play against Washington, Buffalo, and San
Francisco back to back to back, but between Washington and Buffalo,
they're off a week. So you look at it there
and you say, okay, so you're able to get yourself

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right after you host Washington, you host Buffalo. So I'm
looking at the games that they're playing on the road,
I'm not like totally like going to the Jets going
to Arizona Minnesota. That won't be easy. But to your point,
the rest of the of the division, I think they're

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gonna go over as well. I don't think that they're
going to be a double digit win team, but just
looking at this schedule, I feel like it's entirely manageable
for them, So I'll go over also.

Speaker 2 (59:16):
So two teams down, Jmart has the under of the
over of nine and a half. In Tampa, I have
the under. We both have the over of seven and
a half with the Atlanta Falcons. Tell you what will
come back. We will hit on the other two teams
in this division, including Brie Moro's New Orleans Saints. We
might have to get a little funeral music for that one,
more than NFL music. But before we get to the Saints,

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before we get to the Panthers, let's get it over
to the news desk Steve di Seger, what is trending?

Speaker 6 (59:42):
We have one Laid Bowl game still going at Seattle
Mariners seven to four over Tampa Bay. Bottom of the eighth.
Seattle's JP Crawford did having a bet with seventeen pitches
before he popped out cal Rawley with his forty fourth
home run of the season. Everything else is final, including
a San Diego win at home in ten innings over Boston.
The Dodgers at home defeated Toronto tonight nine to one,

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show Hey Otani hit his fortieth homer. The Yankees ed
s Houston today five to four on a solo homer.
Bottom of the eighth Cubs won nine to one at
Saint Louis. Milwaukee beat the Mets with four runs in
the seventh, seven to four. Philadelphia was a three to
two winner at Texas, beating Jacob de grom As for
the NFL preseason. The game at Jacksonville saw Cam Little
of the Jags kick a seventy yard field goal to

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end the first half. Pittsburgh won the exhibition thirty one
twenty five Jets thirty to ten winners at Green Bay
and Denver was down nine to nothing early, but won
thirty to nine at San Francisco. Wins for the Giants
and Minnesota Today Hall of Fame closer Mariano Rivera tore
and Achilles in the Yankees Old Timers game WNBA two

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games Golden State and Indiana the winners. We had Indiana
against Chicago, which would normally be some sort of big deal.
Chicago eight and twenty three this year, lost by twenty
two points. In Angel Reese is still out. She's missed
eight of the last ten games with a bad back.
Caitlin Clark of the Fever has missed ten straight games
and has no timetable for return due to a groin injury.

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Last night, Dallas star Page Beckers was out with a
bad back. New York star Breanna Stewart isn't due to
return till late August due to a bone bruise in
her knee, and Minnesota All Star and a Fista Collier
is missing at least a couple weeks with a springed ankle.
A reminder, just three races left in the IndyCar season.
The next event is Sunday in Portland, Oregon on Fox TV. Again.

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And I did see this quote as you guys Talk
College Football from Paul fine Bomb, saying, I am so
sick and tired of being harassed by Big ten fans
on our show. They act like they invented football. And
when it came to the readers add context on Twitter,
someone just one sentence, college football was invented at Rutgers University.

Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
There you go back to ride to the.

Speaker 1 (01:01:53):
Big ten scoreboard.

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
Fine Bomb, By the way, this might be a little
mean spirited to say you're just ran through all the
WNBA players that aren't available. Pay us what you owe us?

Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
Is the league.

Speaker 2 (01:02:06):
Available forty four game regular season? No one could get
through with that. Yeah, Yo, Like we criticize all these
NBA players, and I understand these are legitimate injuries. I'm
not trying to be yes they are. I'm just saying,
I don't know, forty four you get paid, you know,
seventy five thousand dollars for forty four games.

Speaker 6 (01:02:24):
It's just the timing could not be worse because there's
a window for you to make a mark in that league.
That's probably and that window is closing this week.

Speaker 2 (01:02:33):
That's probably the angle that I should have taken, rather
than just blaming players for getting injury, which I was
not doing, but it probably came off. Athletes still get hurt,
they do, and these are legitimate injuries.

Speaker 1 (01:02:43):
So thanks asking you a question that this isn't about WNBA.

Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
I'm just gonna let you.

Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
If you kick a seventy yard field goal in an
exhibition game, that doesn't count. Coach got to let you
do that in a regular season once.

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
Right, yes scenario.

Speaker 6 (01:03:00):
Yeah. Do you remember when Sebastian Janikowski lined up from
seventy six at the.

Speaker 1 (01:03:05):
End of a baby Yes, that was just dumb.

Speaker 6 (01:03:09):
No, it was just for the no, you don't say.
I was at a game where Jason Hansen in college
they lined up from seventy because he had quite the leg,
of course in a long NFL career too, and he
overkicked it and it just went end over end, bouncing
down the twenty, down the fifteen, the ten. It was
like when they announced, you know, when the squirrel gets

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on the field and he just it just there was
nothing in the air. It was just scooting along the ground.
I wish you got a better.

Speaker 1 (01:03:38):
Chance fall on the cart path because.

Speaker 6 (01:03:40):
Yeah, yeah, anyone in this building when they when they
hit a.

Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
Golf ball, Yeah, yeah, that is interesting that in theory,
they probably have to give him a shot.

Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
Got to do it once. Like, if I'm a fan,
I'm demanding it on Sports Talk on.

Speaker 6 (01:03:53):
Monday, especially because let's happened one Some stadiums are much
better to kick in than others in this league. Go
to Denver kick even where the Rams played tonight. I mean,
it's it's not a grass field, it's got a canopy
over it, it's fairly weather controlled for an outdoor stadium.
It's a good kicking stadium.

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
I was gonna say, except for the National Championship game
when me and Dan Byer were getting poured on Georgia
TCU such at least you saw a barn. It's not.

Speaker 6 (01:04:22):
It's that's why you can't call it a dome. Stadiums.
There's a opening above each end zone and it was
raining sideways that night and people had to move seats.

Speaker 2 (01:04:29):
And it was literally only on the TCU section. It
was just such a metaphor for the game.

Speaker 6 (01:04:33):
It was appropriate. It was like that one cartoon character
that just walks around and always rammed down.

Speaker 2 (01:04:37):
There was just a dark cloud over the all right,
speaking of dark cloud, let's get back to the rest
of the NFC South Out, Shark Cloud, over, the Panthers
and the Saints. Mary give us some music. Pre who
we talking about next?

Speaker 7 (01:04:52):
We're gonna start with the Carolina Panthers over under six
and a half.

Speaker 8 (01:04:57):
GRT, you're up, man.

Speaker 1 (01:04:59):
I really want to say over because I really like
Bryce Young, but I'm gonna go under. I've heard some
good things about their rookie wide out. It looks like
him and Bryce Young have had some decent chemistry and practice.
But somebody's got to be really bad in this league,
and I feel like this is my best bet to
be right about a team winning four games or so

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out of that division. There's just there's nothing about that
team that just makes me feel particularly strong about them.
I hope they proved me wrong. Quite frankly, again, I
like Bryce Young, and I would hate I'd like to
see his career have a really nice turnaround. I just
don't sense it, man, So I'm going under.

Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
So was a number brief five and a half and
six and a half. That is a lot seven wins.
Here's the thing. So, like I remember us all being like, oh,
Bryce Young kind of figure it out, you know, got benched,
kind of figured it out. Okay, whatever, going back and
looking final month of the season. Okay, you lose to Case,

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no shame that, lose to Tampa, lose to Philly, lose
to Dallas when they didn't have a quarterback and their
coaches on the hot seat. They did beat Arizona and
Atlanta in two of the final three weeks. It's like
I thought it ended a little bit better than that.
So let's just look at the schedule really quick. Open
at Jacksonville, at Arizona, Falcons at home at New England.

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So one three or first four on the road, you
gotta travel cross country in that span. Schedule is pretty.

Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
Much it's not that hard. It's not that hard.

Speaker 2 (01:06:35):
Got the NFC West, so you got at carol or
at San Francisco, Rams at home. You have the AFC East,
so you have the Bills and the Patriots. I still
gotta go under. Seven wins is a lot, I.

Speaker 1 (01:06:46):
Mean, it's that number is big to me.

Speaker 2 (01:06:48):
Yeah, it's a lot of wins. So I will go
under seven wins for the Carolina Panthers. Like you said,
hope we're wrong, like price under with the Price Young.
We'll see how Tetuo McMillan does. But yeah, I can't.
I can't get to seven wins on that team. I
just can't breathe. What's our do we do it?

Speaker 1 (01:07:10):
Bring?

Speaker 8 (01:07:10):
I think we're done?

Speaker 1 (01:07:11):
Were no time left? Oh wait, actually we do. We
have seven.

Speaker 8 (01:07:16):
Minutes the New Orleans Eights.

Speaker 1 (01:07:20):
We're going to.

Speaker 2 (01:07:21):
Six, Mary, I was gonna ask me. I didn't even have.

Speaker 7 (01:07:25):
To, Oh wow, I have the New Orleans Saints over
under a sixth and a half Torres take it away.

Speaker 1 (01:07:33):
Well, I told you chucking job is alive in the
big easy.

Speaker 2 (01:07:39):
I told so two things.

Speaker 1 (01:07:41):
Really, we should be playing second live music right now.
I was. So.

Speaker 2 (01:07:46):
We were on last night during the Shador thing, and
we got a call from New Orleans and he was
just like, I was hoping we were gonna take it
with our first pick.

Speaker 1 (01:07:56):
Don't you don't say? Then?

Speaker 2 (01:07:58):
I was hoping we were taking it with the second pick.
And I said, yeah, Well, the good news is you
got the quarterback that played seven years of college football
and had one good season so young. That's not Tyler
Chuck bro.

Speaker 1 (01:08:10):
You took Do you want to make HI feel even worse?
They took seven draft picks, at which point they and
all of those they could have taken shudeor Sanders.

Speaker 2 (01:08:18):
That's true. There's no rule that says you can only
take one quarterback as the Cleveland Browns exactly. Yeah. So
the only thing I will say, what did you say
five and a half?

Speaker 8 (01:08:28):
No, six and a half?

Speaker 2 (01:08:29):
Six and a half?

Speaker 1 (01:08:30):
The only they're both they're both a one point five
higher than they finished last year. Them and the Panthers
were both five and twelve teams last year was six
and a half is the number for both of them.

Speaker 2 (01:08:40):
Yeah, I'm clearly going under. The only thing I will say,
I'm kind of intrigued Kellen Moore offensive coordinator. Now, I
don't think he has anything resembled not offensive cornering. He's
the head coach, he.

Speaker 1 (01:08:54):
Got to coordinate. But that's yeah, right.

Speaker 2 (01:08:56):
That's exactly it is that I was bree If Dennis
Allen was still the head coach, it might be the
most unwatchable team in NFL history. The problem is, like,
it's so interesting because and I'm not being sarcastic, there's
just not one thing that I'm interested in about this team.
It's not I mean, there's a lot of quarterbacks that

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we don't even know if they're good or not, but
they're interesting. Caleb Williams. I think Bryce Young this is
kind of make a break, you know, you go, Michael Pennix,
you go on and on down the list, Shadoor Sanders,
maybe whatever. I don't want to watch Tyler Shuck. It's
not like they have these unbelievable skill position guys. I

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know I know who is on the roster, but it's
nobody that like I haven't seen or don't know what
to expect or whatever. There's just nothing there. I'm obviously
going hard under, but it's not only hard under. It's
like a sad under of even if they get I'm

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not gonna want to watch it. Like, if they somehow
get to seven wins, it'll probably be the best story
in the NFL. But it's not like we're gonna be
leading a show with like, dude, remember that Tyler shuck
fourth quarter comeback.

Speaker 1 (01:10:11):
It's gonna be like, oh, this is so this is
so sad to listen to, Like, hey, I'm not talking
about the music. I'm talking about you twisting yourself into
knots right there. Like it's never good when somebody gets
up and says, hey, does anybody have anything to say
about the departed and they get up and they're like, man,
I really like this car because there was nothing about

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him that was positive should be said. And there's only
like five people in attendance at the funeral or something
like that on top of everything. So I look at
this and I'm like, first off, the schedule is not
very difficult, right. This division actually looks out in that
regard in my opinion, agreed. So I look at nine fourteen,
nine eight, they go, they play San Francisco, they go

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to Seattle and to Buffalo. I think they probably all
three of those games, right, And then I look at
the rest of this. I'm just like, man, they can
win all these games. But here's the thing, They're not
going to Nope, They're just not like I don't I
don't see there's no reason for me to There's nothing
for me to hang on to here. I'm not climbing

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this mountain because there's no hand holds for me. And
on top of that, I don't even feel like I've
got a rope. I'm not even gonna I'm not even
leaving the ground when it comes to them. So yes,
I'm going under because they're gonna have to prove to
me that they're actually an NFL football team, not that
they don't have talented players or whatever else, but like,
I know nothing about Tyler Shuck, and I continue to

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believe that anyone who claims that they do outside of
what they've seen from camp, and maybe if you're a
diehard fan, you go back and you try to find
all the footage you can from him in college or
whatever like that, But like, nobody knows what he's gonna be.
And I still just think that it's one of the
most baffling draft decisions that I have seen, and just
his name popping up up in the three weeks before
the draft, I just think it's gonna be a bad

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football team. They may be more interesting just because Kellen
Moore might be more exciting with what he does offensively,
but it's hard to be exciting when half the passes
are incomplete, a third of them are coming the other direction,
and there's no blocking. So I just I feel like
it's a four win team. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:12:19):
The States reporter Nick Underhill said that he led the
worst two minute offense that he had ever seen in
practice last week Tyler Shuck, So I guess I'm still
of the belief that Spencer Rattler could come out of
nowhere and they could win like four games, maybe five.
So I'm on the Rattler, like I am, I am there.

Speaker 1 (01:12:42):
Wait a sec are you like? Is that like the
high end though undersunding, Like there's like there's hope for
us to win five games?

Speaker 8 (01:12:49):
Tyler shuck. I think it's like a one win team.

Speaker 7 (01:12:52):
But it's like Spencer Rattler's there.

Speaker 8 (01:12:54):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:12:56):
I can't even.

Speaker 8 (01:12:57):
I don't know. I don't know how to I don't
know how to feel. It's hard. It's hard to say.

Speaker 7 (01:13:01):
I don't want to like you. We're not gonna like
a tank for Arch like that. I just don't think
that's really likely. So I think we're just in a
really dark place. We're going back to like the the
the paper bags over the head, the whole foods ones now,
like that's where we're headed the aints.

Speaker 8 (01:13:15):
That's how I feel.

Speaker 2 (01:13:16):
Really quick bow on this. There's been so much weird
Arch to Cleveland stuff, and maybe we talk about that
in hour three. You know what, I'll save this take.

Speaker 1 (01:13:26):
For hour we can do Yeah, we'll do it nour three.

Speaker 2 (01:13:29):
Uh, we will do it in an hour three because
coming up next, Steve Disager is gonna get you caught
up on everything that you missed from throughout the day,
probably not talking about the Saints though. Fox Sports Radio
Welcome back everybody. Fox Sports Radio Erra Tors Jason Martin
broadcasting love from the Fox Sports Radio studios, as we

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do every week around this time. Do you want to
get it over to the news desk Steve to to
Steve de Seger, get you caught up on everything that
you missed. Steve de Sager, take it away.

Speaker 6 (01:13:59):
And you mentioned college football. It is just two weeks
away until the so called Week zero when five five
different games will take place. Most everybody else opens their
season the next weekend late August. But there is a
Fox game in two weeks Fresno State at Kansas and
there's a Hawaii home game against Stanford, and there's the
Dublin game that day. In a couple of weeks, Kansas

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State against Iowa State.

Speaker 2 (01:14:22):
Can I jump in really quick, leaves? I was looking
at Kansas State today. Crazy schedule quirk because they play
Week zero, they then play Week one, Week two Friday
of Week three. A third of their season is over
before September twelfth. That just sounds preposterous.

Speaker 6 (01:14:41):
Can they get Skyler Thompson back, take some guys in.

Speaker 2 (01:14:45):
Yeah, It's just it's like they're gonna they're either gonna
be really happy with where they are or conceivably down
in the dumps by like mid September. Just I couldn't
believe that when I saw.

Speaker 6 (01:14:56):
That most most teams do open late August, and there
will be a late last Friday night of August, a
Fox Friday Night game with Auburn at Baylor, and then
the game the first big noon kickoff Saturday, August thirtieth,
Texas at Ohio State. The teams that are won two
in the preseason Coaches Poll noon Eastern time, Fox TV,

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last Saturday of August. By the way, the AP top
twenty five for preseason due to come out Monday. We
have a lot of NFL to discuss, including some of
the late night games the Jets have Justin Fields at
quarterback now. He had a thirteen yard touchdown run and
a win at Green Bay thirty to ten. Not much
offense from the Packers Jordan Love won of five passing
in his two drives. In fact, they only had thirty

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two yards of offense while he was in there.

Speaker 2 (01:15:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:15:46):
For the game at Green Bay, on third down conversions,
Packers were one for ten, Denver thirty to nine winners.
At San Francisco, all three San Francisco quarterbacks used through interceptions,
including mac Jones. Niners offense on third down conversions one
for twelve. In fact, after the Niners opening drive, they
had ten drives tonight, only eight first downs and four turnovers.

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Bo Nicks of Denver six of eleven, passing just thirty
one yards one safety as well on his intentional grounding,
They were down nine to nothing. Jared's Didham fourteen to fifteen,
passing one hundred and thirty six yards and two scores.
Arizona edge Kansas City twenty to seventeen. The Cards fumbled
the opening kickoff this evening, Patrick Mahomes shortly after with
a one yard touchdown pass his only toss Tonight. Gardner

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Minshew Now with case had a two yard touchdown run.
Bailey Zappi through two interceptions for the Arizona side, which
wound up winning. For what it's worth, Kyler Murray seven
of eight ninety six yards, one interception, and Jacoby Bursett
two touchdown passes in the second quarter Harrison Bucker booted
a fifty eight yard field goal, a mere fifty eight
yarder four Camps News at Jacksonville. Cam Little of the

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Jags booted, Well, let's just go to the call, shall
we are? Bucky Brooks always does the preseason games Jags TV.
He had something to say, Holy.

Speaker 1 (01:17:05):
Smokes, I got a shot.

Speaker 2 (01:17:08):
He just kicked a seventy yard day.

Speaker 6 (01:17:11):
Are you kidding me?

Speaker 1 (01:17:12):
Crazy? That's crazy?

Speaker 2 (01:17:15):
The NFL record. That would be an NFL record in.

Speaker 6 (01:17:20):
The first half.

Speaker 1 (01:17:22):
Holy smokes, that's unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (01:17:25):
Kind of is the record is a second?

Speaker 1 (01:17:27):
You know what I love is him saying I've never
seen that, No kidding, it would be a record. No
one has ever seen that. No.

Speaker 6 (01:17:34):
I was a big russell Erkslaven fan back in the day.
But even I don't recall. Yeah, the NFL record is
still sixty six yards because that was done in the
regular season. But this guy, a sixth rounder, yes, a
drafted kicker from Arkansas a year ago, four for four
on field goals. Tonight hit from forty forty one, fifty two,
and seventy and he had a fifty nine yard or

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in a real game last year at college at Arkansas.
He made eighty three percent of his field goal attempts,
and he was perfect on the college extra points for
his career one twenty nine out of one twenty nine.
Running Back Caleb Johnson of the Steelers eight carries just
twenty yards rushing tonight, but Mason Rudolph was nine of
ten passing eighty four yards in a score Skyler Thompson

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three touchdown passes. Steelers won at Jacksonville thirty one to
twenty five, and Trevor Lawrence did play. Had one drive
they got a field goal. It was a twelve play
drive about seven and a half minutes. Lawrence was six
of seven forty three yards. Rams beat Dallas thirty one
to twenty one, shockingly close final score considering how things started,

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because in the first quarter, Dallas had two possessions, two punts,
Rams had two touchdowns Blake Korum a couple of short
TV runs, but by the end of the first quarter,
the Rams had a stats advantage of ten first downs
to none. The yard age was one sixty to one.
Dallas didn't even have a rushing attempt in the first quarter.
They only had the ball for about a minute and

(01:19:00):
a half of the first fifteen minutes. By the end
of the game, there were nineteen total penalties and almost
one hundred and ninety yards in penalties. Minnesota beat Houston
twenty to ten. Jordan Addison is facing a regular season suspension,
but he can be in camp and be in preseason
games and had three receptions. There was a Minnesota injury
rand Rondel Moore again, remember what he was with Arizona.

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He was carted off with Minnesota today knee injury on
a punt return, even as coach said it did not
look good. The Vikings as a team on the ground
thirty carries but just eighty six yards rushing. By the way,
with the new rules, there were eight kickoffs in the game,
only one touch back. In the Giants at Buffalo thirteen
kickoffs in the game, only three touchbacks. Remember, if they

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kick it properly into the quote landing zone, things go
well and you can cover, and we're going to see
more returns this year. But if it's a touchback, comes
out to thirty five, not the thirty.

Speaker 2 (01:19:56):
Okay, all right, thank you very much, Steve Disager. A
lot of ground covered there and a lot to come
still to come, excuse me, come back we'll talk abow
Shador Sanders, and we'll also talk about the big stories.
At least for now, we'll explain next era tords day
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obviously college football, we are now two Saturdays away, meaning
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already know Texas, Ohio State on Fox Sports on Fox
Sports on FS one not FS one on Fox. We
also have Clemson, LSU, Miami Notre Dame. The Sunday of
Labor Day weekend, Monday night, Jamar, do you know the
game that closes out Labor Day Weekend on Monday Night?

Speaker 1 (01:21:23):
I have forgotten. I do remember it being another good one.

Speaker 2 (01:21:28):
It is TCU facing Jordan Hudson's North Carolina tar Heels. Baby.

Speaker 1 (01:21:35):
It was I knew there was some reason, yes.

Speaker 2 (01:21:38):
And by the way Jordan Hudson sarcasm there for people
who do not follow that is the young Lady and
a keyword young that dates Bill Belichick. The Bill Belichick
era debuts the Monday Labor Day Night TCU at North Carolina.

Speaker 1 (01:21:54):
So, I don't know if you have heard this yet,
but I'm actually going to be out that weekend.

Speaker 2 (01:22:00):
Oh, I have not. I'm gonna miss the show on
Labor Day week because I have to.

Speaker 1 (01:22:04):
I will not get to watch any football no on Friday,
on Saturday on Sunday because I have to be on
campus for grad school for a hybrid class where I
have to be in class nine hours Friday nine hours
Saturday as part of my requirements. It'll be the first
time I've been on campus and they scheduled it Labor

(01:22:27):
Day weekend. Why and so, But I don't know. But
if I literally it actually says if I do not
make it to all eighteen hours, I'm immediately withdrawn from
the course. Wow. So I have to miss and so
we're going to actually just leave a couple of days
early and take the kids and it'll be the first
experience for Claire Grace at a kind of an amusement

(01:22:49):
park on the way there. So it's gonna be fine.
But like, I'm going to see no none of this.
And there's like talk it's the greatest week one in
the history of college football and all these great games.
I'm going to see zero of it because I'm gonna
be deep in uh church administration and education learning for
for for two days.

Speaker 2 (01:23:10):
Wow. What where is the actual campus.

Speaker 1 (01:23:14):
It's in wake Forest, just close to Durham and Raleigh.
It's not Winston Salem where wake Forest University is, but
I mean I grew up in that area. I grew
up in Winston Salem, so I'm actually gonna be able
to take my family through where I grew up and
show in my house and all that kind of stuff.
So that's gonna be fun. It'll be a fun time.
But man, boy could not have picked the worst weekend.

(01:23:37):
That's weird. They would this.

Speaker 2 (01:23:38):
Whole thing holiday weekend.

Speaker 1 (01:23:40):
It is very strange. I'm a little disappointed by it.
I mean, it's more important, I understand that for sure,
but like a lot of good college football, and there's
no way for me to just tape it all and
then come back because I'm not gonna have the time
to then come back and watch all that. I'm just
gonna have to I'm just gonna have to accept that
it's just gonna be a weekend I'm gonna miss.

Speaker 2 (01:24:00):
When do you get back.

Speaker 1 (01:24:01):
I'll get back, We'll probably come back. We'll probably be
back Monday. I bet we don't know all the way back.

Speaker 2 (01:24:07):
Sunday, so because Sunday even the Notre Dame uh and uh.

Speaker 1 (01:24:12):
Maybe we'll be in hotel and I'll be able to
watch that game.

Speaker 2 (01:24:14):
Okay, well, and.

Speaker 1 (01:24:17):
I'll miss but i'll miss being with you. And that's
like our bread and butter day.

Speaker 2 (01:24:21):
Yeah, so that's so many good games. Yes, Unfortunately, it
looks like the Oklahoma Sooners are playing a six Eastern
start time. It probably means I'm stuck with Arnie Spanner.

Speaker 1 (01:24:31):
I was like, maybe that's probably how we're going to
work out for you.

Speaker 2 (01:24:36):
By the way, Arnie, in the lead up to our
to our show was filling in with Chris Plank heard
him say that no, no, his wife had tickets to
Jerry Seinfeld tonight. Wow, listen, Arnie, I love you, buddy,
but come on, man, I I know listen, all of

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us in this business you don't want to miss an
opportunity if if you're you want to you want to
be responsible and pick up when your numbers called. But
it's like Jerry seinfeldt like, you know, a quick side story.
But you know, like we're going away the back end
of this week, and it's like, you know, if there
was an opportunity to work, it's like, well we already
kind of made plans, you know. It's like Jerry Seinfeld,

(01:25:17):
you turned out Jerry Seidefeld thing. Oh yeah enough.

Speaker 1 (01:25:22):
So wherever you're making decisions is not a new thing now.

Speaker 2 (01:25:26):
Wherever Jerry Seinfeld was playing tonight, uh when there was
a free ticket floating around or an empty seat because
Arnie Spanier was hosting with Chris Plank from I think
it was eight to eleven Eastern time. By the way,
they were filling for Martin Weiss who got married today.

Speaker 1 (01:25:44):
Good for him, ingrats to him.

Speaker 2 (01:25:45):
So congrats to Martin Weiss. He was out today, Arnie
and Plank were in. They'll be back tomorrow. Let's uh,
let's get back on track here, jam Mark, let's talk
about the story of the weekend. It did come on
Friday night in North Carolina. Mary mac Let's, Uh, let's
hear how things went for one Shador Sanders Friday night

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in Charlotte.

Speaker 1 (01:26:07):
Shaudor playfake looking end zone, lofting.

Speaker 3 (01:26:10):
Back quarter of the end zone and it is put
touchdown Cayden Davis and Shador Sanders has his first career
NFL touchdown.

Speaker 2 (01:26:24):
That was Brown's radio network Nott Panthers radio network Color.

Speaker 1 (01:26:28):
That doesn't count.

Speaker 2 (01:26:30):
It doesn't count the touchdown.

Speaker 1 (01:26:31):
That's not his first NFL touchdown? Well what is if
that's not If that's if that doesn't count, If that counts,
then the seventy year old, this is the seventy yard
field goal has to count.

Speaker 2 (01:26:42):
Sure that's fair? Oh yeah, uh, I.

Speaker 1 (01:26:47):
Mean, I hope. I'm not saying that. No, it's not impressive.
I'm just saying that, you know, I want I want
to see Shoudor do this in a regular game, and
I want that to be regarded as his first one.
I can understand why you would say it, but yeah,
I just that's kind of pushing it a little bit,
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:27:01):
I will also say unrelated because now this segment is
just completely off the rails, off the rails completely, Yes,
it It is kind of weird that if something record
setting happens in the preseason that it just doesn't count
at all. Like I feel like a seventy yard field
goal should count in the record books, even if it's
a preseason I don't know. Maybe I'm crazy on that.
I haven't. I haven't really like given time to think

(01:27:22):
about it. Maybe it shouldn't.

Speaker 1 (01:27:24):
I guess.

Speaker 2 (01:27:24):
I don't know, Like if Kobe Bryant scored ninety points
in a preseason game, like we would still probably talk
about eighty one.

Speaker 1 (01:27:31):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:27:31):
I'm just I'm just thinking out that fair enough. But
Shador Sanders Uh we talked about an hour one, So
if you missed it, go back and down load the podcast.
But I let's just talk really quick. Listen my big
takeaway and I will get it back. Go get it
over to you, J mart Is, Listen.

Speaker 1 (01:27:49):
One.

Speaker 2 (01:27:50):
I think that if you want, if you did not
believe in Shador, this means nothing to you and it's
only the preseason and he's playing against backups and it
doesn't really matter. I think if you were should or
believer it's the greatest thing ever, and I do think
it is frankly somewhere in between. The only thing that
I will say it is not nothing because at the

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end of the day, for whatever reason, he was still
a fifth round pick. There are a lot of fifth
round picks that do not get opportunities in this league,
certainly not to start a preseason game, to play into
the second half. I mean, he got five to six
series and drives yesterday to at minimum put put you know,

(01:28:32):
stuff on tape, but even better impressed the guys in
that building. And so you can't say it's nothing for
a guy that is on a roster that currently has
six quarterbacks. We know they're not keeping all of them,
but he made the case that he should be one
that is kept. And then, I think, more importantly, in
an organization where there clearly is not a future at

(01:28:56):
quarterback on the roster, he took the first step towards
maybe being that future. So I get that we're not
nobody's making a bust for him and can but you
can't say that it means nothing specifically with that organization.

Speaker 1 (01:29:11):
Yeah, no, I mean I think that's all right. Again,
I don't think that it doesn't mean the preseason doesn't
mean the same for every single player. Depends on the situation.
It depends on where they were drafted, if they were
drafted or if you know they're trying to make that roster,
even if they were picked up afterwards as a UDFA
or whatever like that. But in the case of shedelor Sanders,

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especially with that crowded quarterback room, you got to be
able to maximize every opportunity that you get because you're
not guaranteed another one. And so because of how everything
sets up for him to be able to open the
preseason as QB one in this scenario, he had to
take this thing as best he could. He had to
maximize this opportunity. And yeah, the numbers don't blow you away,

(01:29:57):
but I don't really care as much about the numbers
as how did he look out there? And he looked polois,
He look confident, he looked like he should have been
out there, made some nice plays, did some good things,
and that's what you really wanted to see. I'm not
surprised that we saw that. I was much more surprised
at where he was drafted than how he performed in

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his first preseason game. The preseason is not really applicable
to what he's gonna be able to do in a
regular season if given the opportunity. But he has put
himself in a position where almost everything that you've heard
about Shador Sanders over the last six months has been
couched with some kind of negativity. This doesn't This is

(01:30:38):
just a positive thing, and it just it kind of
stops the momentum train of everything going in the wrong
direction for him in terms of how he's been talked about,
how he's been criticized, how he's been covered, to where
it's just like, all right, now he's back on the
football field. Now a lot of this stuff hopefully can
just kind of center around that.

Speaker 2 (01:30:57):
Don't disagree. Again, we're not saying that we're sending him
to Canton, but a productive first night for Shador Sanders,
two touchdown passes, fourteen of twenty three passing, and like
we said in an organization that you know they need
some sort of answer at quarterback, and frankly, maybe the

(01:31:18):
answer is not on the roster, but it probably isn't actually,
and so every one of that roster is not only
fighting for opportunity this year, but to prove that they
are something that should be considered for the future. Shador
Sanders takes a solid first step in that direction. The
Cleveland Browns do take care of business in Carolina on Saturday.

(01:31:42):
On Friday night, excuse me. They return to the field
a week from today in Philadelphia. We'll see if Shador
Sanders is playing in that game. Fox Sports Radio Aertoris
Jason Martin broadcasting live from the Fox Sports Radio Studios.
The Shadoor Sanders News. Yeah, it matten, but we're gonna
talk about a couple things that feel big now that

(01:32:04):
maybe won't be quite so big in a week or two.
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easy access to our very best videos. Just search Fox
Sports Radio on YouTube. All right, Jmart, So, uh, you
sent over a segment idea today. I absolutely loved it.
I want you to. Maybe I'm gonna throw it to
you and we could get started in a minute, but
kind of frame it and you don't have to give

(01:33:07):
your example, or maybe you do, but you can probably
explain it a little bit better than me. But I
love the idea. Go ahead and explain to the audience
what we're gonna be doing in the next few minutes.

Speaker 1 (01:33:16):
So we're gonna be hearing a lot in the next
few weeks, especially leading into the regular season in the NFL.
We're gonna be hearing a lot of takes. We're gonna
hear a lot of opinions. We're gonna hear a lot
of stuff that I think is gonna be flat out sensationalized, overplayed, overhyped,
over discussed, just just blown wildly out of proportion. And

(01:33:38):
so that got me to thinking, well, can we predict
what those are going to be? And maybe have we
already started to see some of those things take place.
It doesn't necessarily mean that they're gonna turn out to
be wrong. It just means that even though we have
a bit less evidence than we should, people are still
going to be all over these topics. Example, and I

(01:34:00):
can just give you mine then because it can be
the example, and then we can come back to me.
Perhaps Jason kind of go to your example. Go ahead.
My example is is it time to cut bait with
Caleb Williams and the Chicago Bears.

Speaker 2 (01:34:14):
Oh that's a hot one on these internet streets and.

Speaker 1 (01:34:18):
All over the place. Man, Kayleb Williams is trash. This
Bears team is a disaster. There's red flags all over
the place because of what we've heard about in practice.
And also, can we at least get to the first
game of the season before we completely He's got a
new coach, everything is changing around him. I understand last
year didn't go maybe as swimmingly as we thought, especially

(01:34:39):
considering what Jayden Daniels did. He may never be as
good as Jayden Daniels. But I don't necessarily think that
it is fair to already be cutting bait or be
using practice like whatever's coming out of practices guys to
bury his entire career. I think that we were a
bit premature here, but it has It's definitely become a

(01:35:01):
talking point, and that was kind of the one that
got me thinking, well, what else is out there similar
to this? That's just got me rolling my eyes every
time I hear it, like slow down their race. I
don't think we're there yet.

Speaker 2 (01:35:14):
So I agree with you on a hundred percent. I
see this saga has a smile on his face. Do
you have one that you'd like to do?

Speaker 6 (01:35:19):
But it's kind of going off the board because you
two will have better ones. And I don't want to repeat,
but the Colts quarterback competition between Daniel Jones and Anthony Richardson,
I mean, are these two even gonna have careers in
the NFL? Forget the fact if they're going to do
anything for the Colts. Anthony Richardson played about as many

(01:35:40):
college football games as Trey Lance. Sure, and I remember
he had a great opener and was flashy against Tutah.
You know, he just needs to play, and not being
healthy with the and not recognizing the sac Thursday night
didn't help, but at least he was back at practice today.
I just think there's too many layers of does this

(01:36:01):
even matter in this story?

Speaker 2 (01:36:03):
Well, I'll tell you what that actually leads perfectly into mine,
one of mine. It's not perfect, it's not perfectly fit
into this this window. We gotta stop with the arch
Manning mad libs. Like it just it just feels like, oh,
pick a team, pick a situation, you know, like the

(01:36:25):
Archie Manning thing this week was such a non story
and it was like it was the most boring story
because it's like everyone has the same take. It's like,
if he's totally awesome, he's gonna go pro. It doesn't
matter what Grandpa says in August. He's gonna go pro.
And if he isn't, then he'll go to the so
state of Texas. And there's a New Orleans connection and
with but this was this is what why I think

(01:36:47):
it actually piggybacks off yours.

Speaker 1 (01:36:50):
Listen.

Speaker 2 (01:36:52):
I think I know where it originated with our colleague
Colin Cowherd, who has always been very nice to me. Colin,
if you're listening, I am not picking on you. But
this whole thing, the Cleveland Browns, It's like so many
things have to happen with the Browns for arch Manning
to end up with the number one for Cleveland, end
up with the number one overall pick. But here's the thing.

Speaker 6 (01:37:09):
Any way, they would have to get rid of six quarterbacks.

Speaker 2 (01:37:11):
They have to get rid of six quarterbacks. They he'd
have to be good enough, they need to take them.
But here's my question. There are more, I don't want
to say, more interesting teams, but there are certainly some
scenarios that are just as intriguing, one of them.

Speaker 1 (01:37:26):
Being New Orleans.

Speaker 2 (01:37:26):
But what about Indianapolis If they go four and you
know whatever, thirteen this year, they're gonna be drafting a quarterback,
and so why not if we're gonna just start throwing
darts at hypothetical landing spots for Arch Manning the place
where his grandpa played in New Orleans, but also the
place where his uncle played in Indianapolis.

Speaker 6 (01:37:46):
And the Raiders are gonna need a quarterback sooner than later.

Speaker 2 (01:37:51):
Yeah no, And so Arch was another one of mine
of just like we're just making stuff up right now
because it's August and we just have no thing to
talk about. And it's like we had a.

Speaker 6 (01:38:02):
Seventy yard field goal tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:38:04):
Yeah No, it's like, hey and j Mart, Yeah, I'll
just say it, JAMR and I kind of have an
inside running joke about ESPN is just like, we need
to kill a college football segment. Yeah, and Paul Fine Bombs.
It's like, fine Bomb, just come up with something. He's like, okay,
Arch best quarterback since Tebow. And it's just like that's

(01:38:24):
where we are.

Speaker 6 (01:38:25):
Is We're just I can go I can go further
than that with ESPN. This is this is the bane
of having a twenty four hour operation and way too
many talk shows. We need to kill a fill in
the blank segment, yep, any show, No, there's no point.

Speaker 1 (01:38:41):
Also, can we have a take? Can we have a
take that's hot enough guys that it can then help
us kill those same segments on every other showy we
do for that exactly.

Speaker 6 (01:38:53):
Can we have a Lebron James argument, let's make it twelve.

Speaker 2 (01:38:58):
Yeah, it's certainly well.

Speaker 6 (01:39:00):
And that's you know, the NFL is gonna be owning
ten percent of that channel.

Speaker 1 (01:39:05):
Yeah. The richest guy, the richest guy on that network
actually had a Lebron take on Friday. He's just like,
you know, Lebron needs to go back to Cleveland.

Speaker 2 (01:39:11):
Oh my god, dude, I haven't heard that. Yeah, well, beast,
go to the website.

Speaker 1 (01:39:16):
It's a giant splash screen in case you need it.

Speaker 6 (01:39:18):
Maybe I guess ninth very good.

Speaker 2 (01:39:20):
I was gonna say, maybe he can get a condo
with Arch Manning. They'll just be besties and roomies and
it'll be great. But now arch Manning is just like,
we're just throwing we'll just make it stuff.

Speaker 6 (01:39:30):
Maybe Arch and Bronni get an apartment.

Speaker 2 (01:39:33):
There you go.

Speaker 6 (01:39:33):
Bronnie gets a real gig in Cleveland.

Speaker 2 (01:39:36):
Established as a career, gets an internship, a quicken loan.

Speaker 6 (01:39:40):
Now that's a second.

Speaker 2 (01:39:41):
Yeah, j Bart, do you have any I have another one,
j Bar, but I'm curious if you have any others.

Speaker 1 (01:39:48):
Well one, I'm starting to see. I saw this and
I was just like, what, don't be surprised if the
Patriots win the East.

Speaker 2 (01:39:58):
Wow, that's that's a take right there.

Speaker 1 (01:40:00):
I'm just like, wait a second. I also heard that
the Bills were the favorites for the Super Bowl.

Speaker 6 (01:40:06):
I would be surprised if I'm still surprised.

Speaker 1 (01:40:09):
Yeah, absolutely, yeah, okay, yeah, but it's just like we
don't need to let the under like. Look. Look, I
covered Mike Rabel's entire tenure as the Tennessee Titans coach
day after day here in Nashville. Dude's a good coach,
no question about that.

Speaker 6 (01:40:23):
The offense is after one game better, I can say
that pretty much in pen at this point.

Speaker 1 (01:40:28):
There you go, you sharpie it, there Seth Davis. But
past that, the Bills are better than the Patriots. Like
I don't think that. I'm like jumping out on a
limb there September. Yes, yeah, exactly so. I mean, I'm
just I think they're gonna be a better football team.
I think they're gonna be a much better football team.
I do not think they're gonna win ten games. I

(01:40:50):
don't think that we're quite there yet. Maybe they will.
I mean, that'll be the story of the year if
they do. But I'm starting to see more and more
traction about how good the Patriots are gonna be. I
think we need to slow down just a bit and
wait until they play a few actual teams that actually care.

Speaker 6 (01:41:04):
One team had four wins last year and the other
had only four losses last year. And the James Cook
reference of Bill's running back by the way, he did
actually warm up on the field today and then just
chose not to play at Buffalo.

Speaker 2 (01:41:17):
That's the most preseason story I've ever heard in my life.

Speaker 1 (01:41:20):
Yes it is.

Speaker 6 (01:41:21):
Didn't see Micah Parsons tonight either.

Speaker 2 (01:41:23):
Oh huh, maybe with to Mike in a minute. I
got another one in the AFC AFC East. As a
matter of fact, I don't need the minute to minute
highs and lows of Justin Fields, like I think we
know exactly who he is as a quarterback. And it's
funny I was thinking about this is there are certainly

(01:41:45):
quarterbacks that have a kind of a revival late in
their careers, but usually there's something surrounding it. Gino Smith
was a backup for like six years, could just be
a backup. Then he came in, You're like, oh, he's
kind of competent. Rich Gannon, rich Gannon, Sam darn I
think he's gonna stake at Seattle. But you could see
the scenario Kevin O'Connell, Justin Jefferson, whatever. Justin Fields has

(01:42:07):
had the chance to start with two different teams, two
different organizations in the last two years now. Admittedly, both
of them were defensive first head coaches, so that probably
didn't put him in the best position to Succeeed, here's
the problem. He's with the defense first head coach with
the New York Jets right now, and so like he's

(01:42:30):
going to be exactly who he has been there is.

Speaker 6 (01:42:34):
Well, they hope he's who he was before these last
two years, because we actually saw a quarterback rush for
a thousand yards in one sea.

Speaker 1 (01:42:42):
They're fair.

Speaker 6 (01:42:44):
I don't know, it's just today his touchdown was the
play breaks down he goes up the middle cuts right,
it was impressive.

Speaker 2 (01:42:50):
Well, he did have a few of those in Pittsburgh
last year. But it's just like, I don't know, maybe
it's just the East Coast bias thing kicking in, or
maybe I know too many New York people, but it's
like both, Yeah, he's gonna be exactly who he's been.
Andy happy he's getting a third, third opportunity. But I
don't know. I just I don't think there's like I

(01:43:12):
don't think it's gonna be Sam Darnold where it's like, oh,
they won fourteen games or twelve games or made the
playoffs or whatever. So it's another one of mine. Anybody else, anybody.

Speaker 1 (01:43:21):
Else have any go Oh, okay, let's do it. Jalen
Hurts is not good, dude.

Speaker 2 (01:43:27):
Did I tell you my Jalen Hurts thing?

Speaker 1 (01:43:32):
I don't know if you have or not.

Speaker 2 (01:43:34):
I told Martin Weiss this the other day. I said,
Jalen Hurts is the new Dak. It's exactly what we
just said. You need an NFL segment in July. For
the past ten years it's been like, what is the
Cowboys ceiling with Dak? You know, it was always Dak
and now it just felt like this July it became

(01:43:54):
we need a segment. How good is Jalen Hurts.

Speaker 6 (01:43:58):
The problem is Jalen can't hear you because he's got
a super Bowl ring in his ears.

Speaker 2 (01:44:02):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but he's the Yeah, he's the quarterback
that's like, not a superstar. But just do you not.

Speaker 6 (01:44:10):
Remember the Super Bowl he lost? How awesome that game was?

Speaker 1 (01:44:14):
That game?

Speaker 2 (01:44:15):
Yeah, I'd say he's pretty good.

Speaker 1 (01:44:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:44:17):
I just he has a chance if he puts up
one and more of those Super Bowls, win or lose,
he has a chance of having like a Kurt Warner
type of career who had three of the greatest Super
Bowls and runs that we've seen, and he didn't win
all of them, he still made the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 2 (01:44:33):
I yeah, I just the No, that's good question.

Speaker 1 (01:44:36):
Let me ask you just just a weird question. All right, Sure,
if Lamar Jackson was a quarterback for the Eagles, would
you have a super Bowl ring?

Speaker 6 (01:44:44):
I'm not convinced that's a pretty good line though.

Speaker 2 (01:44:47):
It's a great hype.

Speaker 6 (01:44:48):
I mean offensive line, not just.

Speaker 1 (01:44:49):
You know what I'm asking that, right, Like, let's say, Jay,
when Hurts goes and wins another super Bowl, and they're
going to credit it to Saquon Barkley and the defense
and everybody else under the sun. Yet I feel like
he would have then had a far superior career or
two then a multiple time MVP and Lamar Jackson.

Speaker 6 (01:45:09):
Yeah no, I mean he would have all of these
Jackson playoffs literally almost all of them are very close losses,
and at least half of those losses are such winnable games.
I mean when he finally made the playoffs against the Chargers,
this is pre COVID. He did nothing for three quarters
on the field at home and still came close at
the end.

Speaker 2 (01:45:29):
Yeah, I feel like that narrative. It just it's such
a like that was one that was fair for like
a year or two, and then last couple of years
hasn't worked out. But like last year he was fine,
the tight end dropped back to back huge. I thought
he outplayed Josh Allen in the playoffs, so I know
we're not doing a Lamar take here at whatever. By

(01:45:52):
the way, speaking of the Eagles, really quick, I understand
this notion. I heard this today. I couldn't believe it.
I understand this notion that like you can't like a
running back can't win MVP. And we saw it last
year Saquon Barkley and the MVP odds is fifty to
one right now.

Speaker 1 (01:46:10):
I'd take that all day.

Speaker 2 (01:46:12):
That's what I was gonna say. Behind Trevor Lawrence, Drake
May and bow Knox.

Speaker 6 (01:46:17):
I can't believe it. The fantasy football people are looking
at all the touches, including the postseason run that Barkley
got last year, and saying you always go down the
next year. Well, his high was so high.

Speaker 2 (01:46:29):
If he goes That's what I mean. Yeah, And I
think if he has something close, it's like it's like
all these MVP awards is listen, Mahomes, the bar is
so high. You know, Josh Allen just got it. So
he's in theory gotta be as good or better. Lamar's
got two. And I think if Saquon had something resembling

(01:46:49):
the year that he had last year. So when he
finished nineteen hundred yards, obviously somewhere in that ballpark. Like
if he finishes with seventeen fifty in a seventeen game
season and he does it again, I think people would
be like, yeah, why why can't we get First of all,
I think you should have won it last year, but
it's like, why can't why can't he get that award?

(01:47:11):
Some in two thousand and five that says.

Speaker 1 (01:47:14):
Was that here's I got it, So I got another
one same state as my Eagles take. The Steelers are
all in in twenty twenty five. I'm hearing that everywhere,
and I'm like why because they have a forty thousand
year old quarterback. Like I don't understand. I don't get it. Again.

(01:47:34):
I am so down on the Steelers this year. And
I love me some Mike Tomlin, but I think there's
under five hundred this year.

Speaker 6 (01:47:40):
Last year was Dallas fill in the blank.

Speaker 1 (01:47:43):
All Yes, any Dallas take could fit in this in
this conversation. This music underneath the music, Vine Milk is
perfect for this. This is the cow I'm telling you.
The Steelers being all in I keep hearing it everywhere. Man,
they got to do this for Aaron. No, they really don't,
like they do. Not the team I'm most interested to

(01:48:03):
see in that division, well, I guess it is Pittsburgh.
But I want to see what Joe Burrow does this
year because that was that last year was such a
weird year for them, and Burrow has all this talent,
so I want to see he's the guy that could
come out being an MVP if he played.

Speaker 2 (01:48:17):
He's probably he's the one.

Speaker 1 (01:48:19):
But I still I like your Saquon take.

Speaker 2 (01:48:22):
Yeah, I just and it has nothing to do with
like takes that that wasn't necessarily a take. But while
we were on the Eagles, I was like, I can't
believe that. All right, we got some good stuff in there, Justinez.

Speaker 1 (01:48:35):
But I'm sure there's a bunch more.

Speaker 6 (01:48:36):
Joe Burrow was sacked almost fifty times again last year,
just for the record, aside from the defensive problems with Cincinnati.

Speaker 2 (01:48:43):
I'm trying to think really quick before we get to
your final update to say, is there any are there
any other just takes that are just.

Speaker 6 (01:48:49):
Oh, we have it's a good one.

Speaker 1 (01:48:51):
This stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:48:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:48:53):
By the way, I did look up the Kurt Wonner
three Super Bowls. He passed for three sixty five in one,
three hundred and seventy seven yards in another, and passed
for four or fourteen.

Speaker 2 (01:49:03):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:49:05):
That game in Arizona when they played the Steelers, Yeah,
last unbelievable in that football game.

Speaker 6 (01:49:11):
And it looked like the Fitzgerald touchdown was going to
win it late.

Speaker 1 (01:49:16):
That was just a great That was just a great
sporting event. It was.

Speaker 6 (01:49:19):
And remember the long interception return right before night.

Speaker 1 (01:49:22):
Yeah, did James Harrison play broke down?

Speaker 6 (01:49:23):
That was one of the great games in Super Bowl history.

Speaker 2 (01:49:25):
San Antonio Holmes, am I crazy to tap MVP. I
think we got all the big ones. I'm looking at
these teams right now. I don't think there's anything any
super spicy meatball.

Speaker 6 (01:49:37):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:49:37):
The overreaction to the Lions on a Hall of Fame
game was was a good one. Oh you know they really.

Speaker 6 (01:49:44):
Missed bad Johnson to night turnovers.

Speaker 2 (01:49:46):
Yeah, because because.

Speaker 1 (01:49:47):
Oh no, wait wait yeah wait, I got I got
one for you. Because you said this last week that
like Trey Lance is starting to show he deserves I was.

Speaker 2 (01:49:56):
Just like, I don't know that I said that.

Speaker 1 (01:49:59):
Well you said something, I say one of our topics.
I think it was has he earned? Has he earned
a shot?

Speaker 2 (01:50:04):
It was a question, not a statement. Let me put
it that way.

Speaker 6 (01:50:07):
He started that game. Taylor Heineke starts tomorrow afternoon, Chargers
host the Saints and Spencer Rattler on Sunday.

Speaker 2 (01:50:14):
That's that's Breez's favorite player. By the way, She's got
her Spencer. Are you going to the game tomorrow?

Speaker 6 (01:50:18):
Not Drew brees Arbury?

Speaker 2 (01:50:20):
Yeah right? Are you? Are you tail getting? Are you
camping out? Are you going straight this thing?

Speaker 6 (01:50:26):
She's gonna bring her anti shuck banners? Yeah, yeah, go
up and down the aisle.

Speaker 8 (01:50:31):
Can you imagine that?

Speaker 2 (01:50:34):
A paper bag to work and set the tone for
the season ahead.

Speaker 6 (01:50:38):
She's gonna have the Aints bag out before the end
of September. Baby Ould Foods.

Speaker 7 (01:50:42):
Is right up the street.

Speaker 8 (01:50:43):
That's where I'm gonna get my bag.

Speaker 1 (01:50:46):
Tyler ty Klass though it's organic, reusable, terrible more than
Tyler is going to be working in eighteen months, as
that's a problem.

Speaker 6 (01:50:55):
At the grocery store where the bag is from.

Speaker 1 (01:50:58):
Give him a chance to at least be mediocre.

Speaker 2 (01:51:00):
Yeah, I mean I gave him seven years in college.
I mean sorry, I thought that was enough.

Speaker 6 (01:51:04):
He goes neck nuts in next weekend's game. Oh there's
your next Yeah. Addition to this.

Speaker 1 (01:51:10):
Segment, the segment no way. There will be no takes
about Tyler Shuck in his entire career. By the time
he leaves, no one will have mentioned him like in
any way, shape or form. Like. It won't be positive,
it won't be negative. It'll just be like, who was
a quarterback the first year that Kellen wore was? Who
was that guy?

Speaker 5 (01:51:30):
Like?

Speaker 1 (01:51:30):
People were not It's gonna be like a Jeopardy answer that. Yeah,
no one will be able to.

Speaker 6 (01:51:34):
It'll be more like, do you remember there was a
guy who you actually pronounced his name?

Speaker 1 (01:51:38):
Shuck?

Speaker 6 (01:51:39):
Somebody in the NFL was called Shuck.

Speaker 1 (01:51:41):
Yeah, and it wasn't in Nebraska. Yeah that guy didn't.

Speaker 6 (01:51:44):
He play for fifty two schools and then.

Speaker 2 (01:51:49):
Two full seasons, one in COVID which was like a
four game season, and then his seventh year of college.
But I'll tell you what second stuff SATs. Yeah, you've
been going all day. You gotta get home, So get
us a final update of the evening.

Speaker 6 (01:52:03):
Well, we must mention the Jacksonville home game among the
many preseason games in the NFL. Tonight, Pittsburgh won thirty
one twenty five, but Can Little of the Jags kicked
a seventy yard field goal to end the first half.
The NFL record is still sixty six because that occurred
in a regular season game. Quite memorable, as I recall,
with the Tucker and bouncing and going through Arizona bea

(01:52:26):
Kansas City twenty to seventeen. Harrison Bucker a fifty eight
yarder in that one. Tampa Bay and the Jets with
wins Denver down nine to nothing early won thirty to nine.
At San Francisco, Rams over the Cowboys thirty one to
twenty one. After the first quarter, the Cowboys had one yard,
the Rams had one hundred and sixty. Minnesota and the
Giants each one. Russell Wilson was the Giant starting quarterback,

(01:52:48):
had one field goal, drive six of seven passing twenty
eight yards. Tomorrow afternoon, not only Chargers hosting New Orleans,
but before that one pm Eastern, it'll be Chicago hosting Miami.
Only the three games on Friday night, not only do
Shudur Sanders win for Cleveland thirty to ten at Carolina,
New England beat Washington last night forty eight eighteen Patriots

(01:53:09):
rookie Traveon Henderson returned the opening kickoff for a touchdown.
In baseball tonight, Seattle's Cal Rawley hit his forty fourth
homer Mariners seven to four over Tampa Bay. The Dodger
Shoheo Tani hit his fortieth homer nine to one LA
against Toronto. The Padres blew the lead in the ninth,
but still beat Boston in ten innings, five to four.
The Yankees homered in the eighths to win five to

(01:53:30):
four against Houston. Victories for the Cubs, Brewers, and Phillies.
Tommy Fleetwood leads by one stroke in Memphis. WNBA wins
for Golden State and Indiana, and a reminder, just three
races left in the IndyCar season. The next event Sunday
in Portland, Oregon on Fox TV.

Speaker 2 (01:53:47):
Again back to you, thank you very much to say
you have a great evening. Joy the game tomorrow. Will
you be back in time or.

Speaker 6 (01:53:53):
I will race back in time for the Arnie Spaniard Spectacular.

Speaker 2 (01:53:57):
Okay, our space pit called lot things spectacular.

Speaker 6 (01:54:03):
To the show then the host time, Actually.

Speaker 1 (01:54:05):
That would work with the Seinfeld reference to yes.

Speaker 2 (01:54:08):
Annie Spinel passing up on spectacular. He's one of the
two for sure. All Right, we'll come back to saga
of Grady evening, we'll come back wrap the show. This
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as we get off air. J March a couple of
things before we get out of here. By the way,
we're taking you up until two am Eastern. Bernie Frattle
follows us. We mentioned one of these teams, but two
preseason games tomorrow. One of the games that is being played,
as we just said, Di Seger will be at New

(01:55:13):
Orleans at Los Angeles. Promise. I am not asking a
Trey Lance question, but awful news awful news. Rashaun Slater
earlier this week starting left tackle out for the year
torn pateeller tendon. That you know, the only interesting thing.
Two really good tackles on that team with Joe Walt
being drafted a year ago, he's going to move from

(01:55:35):
the right to the left. I don't really know where
you stood on the Chargers coming into this year, but
just crushing news as a tackle of that caliber out
for the year.

Speaker 1 (01:55:47):
Yeah, I mean, obviously that's not good and left tackle
being as important as it is in the league. I
in terms of how I felt about the Chargers, I
think I was a little more optimistic about him this year.
You get year two of Harball. I mean, I don't
think that. I think the highs that we've heard about
justin Herbert sometimes are a little overblown and it makes

(01:56:08):
it easy to criticize. But I also know the guys
are really talented. Can he put it all together when
it comes to just being able to stay healthy and
his guys? Does he have enough weapons around them not?
You know, you're right, they are actually better equipped because
of alt to sustain Slater being an All Pro and
losing your left tackle is just a huge deal. And

(01:56:29):
for a lot of teams it would break their line.
But the Chargers are actually in a spot where it's
not gonna harm them quite as much. So I don't
know that it really affects. It affects depth, but I
don't know that it's gonna be, you know, the death
knell for them. I still think they're gonna have a
pretty good year. I don't know exactly. We'll get to
those numbers when we do the AFC West and we

(01:56:51):
can go through it all there. But it's a team
that should make the playoffs, and if they don't, then
the questions about Justin Herbert are going to be very loud.

Speaker 2 (01:57:00):
Don't disagree. The Chargers hosting the Saints at SOFI Stadium.
That is a four pm Eastern start. Our buddy Steve
de Sager will be there. Hey, I do want to
ask you Miami at Chicago's the early game. Now, listen,
we just did the Caleb Williams. Let's not overreact. My
My question is more about Ben Johnson has been. I

(01:57:21):
actually really like how like vocal he's been and how
much of a for lack of a better term, hard,
you know what he's been really just you know, I didn't.
I don't know that I really knew what to expect
from Ben Johnson. You know, I kind of thought he
was like the quirky, mad scientist kind of guy, and I,
you know, I kind of wondered how would he be
as a leader of men quote unquote, But you know,

(01:57:43):
he's kind of set the tone on what his expectations are.
You know, he's thrown him out of practice a few times.
He's been very vocal about Caleb isn't where we need
him to be at various points since he took the job,
not saying that this means that Caleb Williams is gonna
be a bench by week three, as we just discussed
last segment. But I've been kind of I'm just kind

(01:58:04):
of intrigued about this team. But I've also been impressed
by how Ben Johnson has at least publicly been kind
of handling that team.

Speaker 1 (01:58:11):
Yeah. I mean, he's very outfront, no question about that,
and he is there's not a whole lot that is
being left behind closed doors, which it depends on what
team you have. But at the same time, you would
hope that he sort of has a bit of a
sense and he's trying to create a culture. Usually when
you walk into a situation, there's already a culture, unless

(01:58:32):
it's a brand new scenario where there's not Ben a
coach or whatever like that. And this goes for business
and everything else. There's a culture. When you come in
and let's say you get hired as a CEO of Apple,
there's already a culture at Apple. Perhaps it's not what
you there's a reason why you're being moved into that role,
you know, barring death or something like that, there's been
some kind of an inefficiency, there's been some kind of

(01:58:53):
a change there. So Ben Johnson's coming in there and
he's having to uproot a culture and bring in something
completely different. After there's been some malaise, there's been some issues,
there's been some negativity. You know, Caleb's first year was
not what you would have wanted it to be. It
was kind of a lame duck situation with the wrong
coach in place. So he's coming in and he's taking
the bull by the horns and he's going in a

(01:59:14):
completely opposite direction. He's trying to be a culture changer,
but also he's trying to just kind of institute it
his way, and it's not a gradual move. It's a
very rapid move, which I think is probably smart really
because in the NFL you just don't have the time
to move one percent at a time. So he's he's
very much doing the Silicon Valley tech thing where he's

(01:59:37):
basically moving past and breaking things.

Speaker 2 (01:59:41):
Bears playing the Miami Dolphins tomorrow, the Chargers hosting the
New Orleans Saints. We got to get out of here.
Want to thank the crew, Mary mack on the board,
producer Brie for Steve Desager, and my partner Jason Martin.
I'm are Torres. Make sure to download the podcast available
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now next Bernie Fratto cannot wait to hear what he

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