In a new episode of Project NIL with Anthony Gargano & William Penn Charter School Director of Athletics Danny DiBerardinis, the guys discuss the MLB ordering a scouting blackout to relieve the pressure off of high school player + Nicholas Petroski, owner of Petroski Physio in Philadelphia to discuss how to manage & rehab different injuries, joins the show!
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Cost is a big one. Today we're going to talk
a little bit about health.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Danny D. All right, and.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Very interesting story that came about during this week that
I don't think a lot of people saw. And I
love this as a you know, part time baseball dad.
I'm a baseball football dad, and as a baseball dad,
I really appreciate this in a big way. Major League
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Baseball is ordering a scouting blackout to give high school
baseball players a winter break.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
So from now on.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
There will be no showcase tournaments, no scouting kids. And
it's going to be the first ever amateur recovery period
that bars teams from scouting or collecting on field day
from amateur players during the designated all season months for
high school players to back. The blackout runs from October
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fifteenth through January fifteenth. And this is so good because
the issue is kids throwing too much, and they Major
League Baseball is worried that they have a pitching problem,
that they have kids that yeah, can come in and
throw one hundred and three miles an hour, but.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
They can't stay healthy.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
That it's all this wear and tear on the elbow
and the shoulder is not good for them.
Speaker 5 (02:39):
Danny for sure, And you know, Tommy john is at
an all time high right That injury used to be
like it was career ending. It didn't happen as often.
It's so common in today's youth sports world.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
It's growing. So to be.
Speaker 5 (02:54):
Able to try to combat this with you know, the
strategic layoff pier will be is great and I think
it's really important for development of our of our young athletes.
I mean, it just it's really next level thinking. And
I'm so excited that they finally were able to implement
this and give these kids a little break. You know,
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they're going year round, they're pitching NonStop. So I'm very,
very excited about about this news, and I think it's
going to really help the youth sports landscape.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Yeah, and listen, I don't know how I feel about
fallball right, like, like we're in the middle of it now,
Like my son plays football and baseball, and like we
had like today we have a football game right because
it's football season, but we also have a baseball tournament.
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And now it just so happens that the the baseball
games we have two games today to tomorrow, and the
two games today fall in line where we can't go
because we had the football game they're they're at the
same time.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
But tomorrow he's gonna play baseball. And I don't know
how I feel.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
I mean, we play it because it's like this keeping
up with the Joneses, Like if you don't play it,
are you behind that sort of thing, So we kind
of feel the need to dabble. Now he's on a
team where he's established, and you know, it's pretty lax, like.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
The coach is great, he understands it.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
It's football takes priority during football season, and he's cool.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
You know.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
I give him the schedule every week, so you know,
he knows. When he gets his schedule, I tell him
whether or not we can make it or not. And
he's got a list of guest players that can play.
And you know, we have enough kids anyway. But it's
it's okay to navigate it. It's I don't know if
it's too much on his body, that's the that's the
one issue I have, Danny.
Speaker 5 (04:58):
Yeah, and we I've really you know, we've talked about
this a lot. And I think the two sport athlete
which has kind of died because of this special specialization
and you you know, year round training aspect of.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
These you sports.
Speaker 5 (05:11):
I think it's important to develop, especially other parts of
your body. Right you're young, you're trying to develop, so
I think you know, different motions, being able to you know,
use different muscles, get different muscle memory going.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
I think it's really really important to the development and
it's you know, I'm glad that the MLB was able
to step up.
Speaker 5 (05:30):
So with this, with this, it also will affect college,
which I think is helpful. Right, college is also going
to fall in this window where November fifteenth of January fifteenth,
there'll be no in person scouting or data collection in
these windows for high school and college. So that might
pivot a lot of this fallball baseball that it's you know,
over the last ten years really taken shape. Right, it
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wasn't always it. Fallball wasn't a thing it was, but
it's not this level. So now it's it's kind of expected.
And I'm hoping with this push from Major League Baseball
continues to trickle down and gives these kids an opportunity
to try other sports or give them to give them
time for their body to rest.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
That's it's it's huge. I see it, and I see
it from the baseball only kids. They're playing. Like, first
of all, we play and when you're a kid, you're
playing into if you're any good, you play two leagues. Right,
you're playing your local little league and you're playing travel.
So and this starts like our winter workouts start in
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January and it's four days a week winter workouts, So
you start off with actually start off with three days
a week, and then it amps up to four in February,
and then we're because we're up in the north, we
usually don't hit the field unless there's some decent days.
In March is when we kind of will hit the
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field and but the kids will work out like you're
throw when you're indoors. Now, hey, he's one thing, but
it's the throwing, it's the it's pitching.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
The pitching is the problem.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Because shoulder, elbows, all that stress constant, your body needs
a break. When I this came over and I saw
this yesterday, I was I was so happy. I thought
that that was such a great leadership out of MLB. Now, listen,
they do it because they see the problem. Like you
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could look at Miseroski, look at big big leagues. Every
kid that comes up is a potential on problem.
Speaker 5 (07:41):
It's so common now, and I mean you could probably
talk a little bit more.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
But when you were coming.
Speaker 5 (07:45):
Up, Tommy John, wasn't a surgery that happened so frequently.
This is happening to almost every top prospect coming in,
you know, with the Phillies Andrew Painter, right, Like, it's
very very common now for these big time prospects to
have these types of injuries early in their career, and
it's because of just the wear and tear of their
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you know, them coming up through high school and little league,
and it's just a repetition and the NonStop year round
you know work on those on those body parts. It's
really gives a tough, tough time for your body to grow,
develop and rest. And this is this is an experiment
by the MLB and and I'm really excited that they
took that step. And you know, it's not common in
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all sports, but I would like to see, you know,
if it's happening at a professional level, they're realizing it
and and speaking up and trying to put parameters and
guidelines on it. That will continue to trickle down to
all these U sports across you know, football, basketball, you know, baseball,
all all the top sports where you.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
Know, these kids are going year round.
Speaker 5 (08:45):
It will give them time to rest and also give
their you know, they're growing, right, give there's time their
body sometimes that really develop and grow and hopefully make
sure that these kids are able to be you know,
healthy going through this process.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Well, I'm to bring this up, and you know, there's
a lot of offshoots to this thing. We're gonna have
a guy, you know, Nick Petrowski, who is an expert
in the field and does a lot of rehab work
and with kids. And you know, one of the things
that scary is kids having preemptive Tommy John because they
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think it's going to add velocity, give them velo. And
people are having their parents are having their kids undergo
like a preemptive Tommy John.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
It's unbelievable.
Speaker 5 (09:37):
Yeah, it's it's a scary environment with this stuff. And
Nick is you know, he's very well versed. He works
with kids, you know, youth kids, high school kids, college
and professional athletes in the rehab space and he's dealt
with many many shoulder and arm injuries that where he's helped,
you know, really.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
Navigate this recovery process.
Speaker 5 (09:58):
And again, it's so common today and like you're saying,
like people are doing it preemptively to try to get
a couple extra miles per hours because they think that
will get them on the circuit, get them knowledge acknowledged
by these professional scouts and these you know, big time
college programs, and velocity is important, but I think there's
a healthier way to go about it.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
There's a way that you.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
Can really give your body time to grow and develop
and peak at the right time, so you're really still
getting you know, seen and exposed to all these big
time programs and possibly professional programs.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
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for Penn Charter. The Oldest. You guys, you're the oldest
school in the country.
Speaker 5 (11:20):
The oldest Quaker school in the world, and is the
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Tons of history and tradition over there many professional athletes baseball.
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Matt Ryan is a Penn Charter grad mcglinch. What's that, mcglinchy. Mcglinchy. Yes, yes,
you were also part of the Saint Joe's Prep. Uh
you were a d there and helped build that football
team into a national powerhouse all sports across the board.
Speaker 6 (11:51):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
So you you listen, you're an expert in the field,
and I really thought it was important to get back
to baseball again. I was giving you the schedule, and
so it starts in January and then we start playing games.
You're playing in two leagues. You now go through the
summer right like we like my season, we were in
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the middle of football practice when we had a tournament
in Cooperstown in August, so like, and then all of
a sudden, two weeks later, fallball starts. Baseball on year
round is a danger they did all that throwing. I
see it little League arm I know countless kids that
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came up with that, especially when you're growing Danny. And
this is something I question I'm gonna have for Nick,
which is, you know when kids are going through growth spurts,
it is it best to shut them down? What's the
best way to avoid injury?
Speaker 5 (12:52):
Yeah, it's and it's really important, I think, like I
think it's important to continue to practice and develop. Like
we talked about hitting and you're stretching, and there's a
lot of stuff you can do in the offseason to
offset this, right, but to go hard and game speed
year round, it.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
Really just has a wear and tear on your body.
Speaker 5 (13:10):
And again, these injuries are growing day by day and
people don't have to navigated. And I'm really interested to
see the data in the future, in the next year
or two from you know, MLB taking this stand and
really trying to you know, seeing a problem and trying
to address it with this type of blackout, because if
they're not collecting data during these three months for youth,
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for high school and two months for college to see
what the workloads are and if these fall ball games
start to die down a little bit because they're not
supposed to be active during these two to three months.
So I really am excited to see the data. I'm
excited that they've you know, champion this injury bug that's
kind of taken over their sport, and really excited to
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see if these other professional sports follow the example that
they have started here.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
You know, truthfully, we the appearance are the issue because
we're so afraid of our child falling behind the pack
that you're like, and I'm guilty of it, Like, you know,
I fall into that trap. Well, like I'm at the
point now where I start thinking about seven on seven
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because seven on seven.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
In football is such a big deal.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Now it happens in the spring, and now I'm going, well, wait,
you know, should he be doing you know, baseball and
seven on seven? So but there's how much time, right,
You're gonna play two baseball teams and then a seven
on seven football team.
Speaker 5 (14:44):
Yeah, And burnout and recovery are are real things, right,
So kids, you know, they they're pushing through and it's
a product of environment. Right, We've talked about this in
the past. It's a business now, right, Youth sports is
a billion dollar, multi billion dollar, So people are driving it.
They're always trying to grow it and they're always trying
to find more ways for more games and to make
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sports year round and specialties. But parents also have to
realize there's a burnout is real, recovery is real, especially
as your body is growing, developing, So to try to
find that balance and to really understand and have these
real conversations with your your son or daughter about what's
going on and how they're feeling. I think there's creative
(15:27):
ways to continue to grow and your develop your body
in these seasons when it's going year round, but to
be strategic about it and not just get out there
and play as many possible games in a week as
you can.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Yeah, I think you're right. You know, it is interesting.
I met someone who's connected with Manchester United's youth team.
So they all have h you'll know the verbiage better
than I will, but they have a club.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
I get a youth club team.
Speaker 5 (15:59):
Yeah, there's like the developmental teams in Europe where they
start very very young, where they have kids you know
early is probably you twelve, really developing, kind of like
a minor league system right for youth through these programs
because football over there, I mean soccer is that's it's
that's all, it's king.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
You're right, right, And so the man You youth organization
they deploy this. They have a all their kids get
tested at the academy, right yep, and they can tell
when they're going through the growth spurt. The science is amazing, man,
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it really is. So during the science during their growth spurts,
because how human beings grow is you grow in spurts,
right like you grow over a two week period where
you'll grow boom and it'll be a spurt. They shut
them down from activity because that's the that's the time
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that a kid is most vulnerable in getting injured is
during that growth spurt period.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
And there's so much technology and science out there. But again,
like those programs have it at their fingertips. Not every parent,
not every youth organization has obviously can you have that
data or have that science. So the professional teams, especially
those serious programs like Manchester, have have the you know,
capability to monitor that. But they know how important it
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is to the development, right, so they utilize this and
they're giving breaks. They're being very strategic about it, like
we just talked about to find ways to really maximize
their athletes.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Yeah, yeah, all right, Well we're going to talk to
to Nick about that coming up.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
And what's his title?
Speaker 5 (17:53):
Danny So he owns a rehab facility, Petrowski Physio, but
he's worked with the UFC fighters, he's worked with professional
you know, baseball players, professional basketball players. He's worked with
tons of high school athletes and a lot of you know,
youth people are starting to go to him because of
his excess uh through the different levels. But yeah, you
(18:14):
name the sport, you named the professional sport. Nick has
rehab them and got them back to healthy. Yeah, he's
very knowledgeable.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Well, I might have to I might have to ask
him his advice on the hamstrings because mass tweaked his hamstring.
Speaker 5 (18:29):
Oh, man, you gotta get some get some dollars from man,
you gotta pick a brain.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
We had a gate last week and he couldn't play
on offense because of the hamstring, and then he tweaked
it a little bit chasing down a kid, uh on
the sidelines.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
He's like, daddy. I was like, all right, well take
the next series.
Speaker 5 (18:51):
I was worried you were going to say, you call
one on the chain gang running down the sideline.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Man, that listen will be the first time that happen
to be working with chain game. Lots to get to
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Speaker 3 (19:09):
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Speaker 2 (19:12):
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Petrowski to the show.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
Good morning, Nick.
Speaker 6 (21:52):
Good morning guys. Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
What a pleasure, buddy, What a pleasure. We're talking about
what MLB did, and I really applaud Major League Baseball
for instituting this blackout period on on scouting amateurs. We
have a real problem in baseball with over use, and
I think they're really worried and concern about arm health
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and pitching because kids are doing it all year round.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Yeah, no, I agree, and I think that you know,
at first, they were saying, like, you know, we want
to protect the arms, you want to protect the kids,
who want to protect the use youth, but they weren't
doing anything about it.
Speaker 6 (22:34):
So I think this is like their first big major
step to.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Protecting the arms, giving the kids a little bit of
time off and you know, telling the scalts they can't
go out there and take look at the kids.
Speaker 6 (22:44):
In the fall.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
Yeah, and what'll do? And then, Danny, I want you
to pick up on this. But what it will it'll do.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
And as a baseball dad, I see it. It'll force
kids to shut it down. And it happens, and I
see it happening at the lowest levels where you know
you're playing you know, two teams in the spring, you're
playing all summer. You take a couple of weeks off
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in the fall, but then you're back at it for fallball,
and then your winter workouts start in January. So that's
a lot of taxing. What does that do to a kid?
Especially kids? You know, as you're going you're twelve years old,
you're going through puberty and then you get into your
teenage years.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
What does that wear and tear do to a kid's body?
Speaker 6 (23:34):
Yeah, well, I.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Think the consistent overuse, like throughout the full year, right,
and that takes a big toll. But what does dead
period also does?
Speaker 6 (23:43):
And I think is you know, should have a light
be shine upon it?
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Is that it now gives the kids this opportunity or
this thought to hey, maybe I want to play.
Speaker 6 (23:52):
A second sport, Whereas before.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
You know, a kid might go out there and be like, hey,
my coach wants me to play spring. My coach wants
me to train in the winter. My coach wants me
to play in the fall. They didn't have this option.
Right now they have this option. Hey, maybe I play soccer,
maybe I play football, or whatever other sports are maybe
interested in, just to give the.
Speaker 6 (24:09):
Body a little bit of a change.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
And honestly, I think this is a good first step
for Major League Baseball. But now what they haven't said
is what should they be doing in that dead period?
Speaker 6 (24:23):
Right some kids can completely rest not play sports at all.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
But I think a really big thing that these baseball
players say they don't go and play a different sports.
Speaker 6 (24:33):
They need to. They need to.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Take that little break, and they need to plan out
their offseason so that they can gradually start throwing right,
not just pick it up all at one time or
be throwing all year.
Speaker 6 (24:44):
A gradual on ramp to protect their arms.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
Yeah, that's some great advice.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Nick.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
I have a question for you, though, what is what
does the uptick look.
Speaker 5 (24:54):
Like recently with dealing with youth athletes and their arms injuries?
Is Tommy John, is that taking the massive step or
the other injuries that you've seen that are you know,
kind of coming up the pike that are more common
now that weren't in the past.
Speaker 6 (25:08):
No.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Yeah, I mean all injuries across all sports, especially these
major injuries. You guys are seeing it right in the
Achilles ruptures in the NFL and the MLB, but specifically
in baseball. Right, we're having a lot of laboral issues.
We're having a lot of Tommy Johns, like you said,
and that part these kids are getting bigger, stronger, and faster.
Speaker 6 (25:28):
They're throwing harder earlier in their lives. Right.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
We see the velocity that some of these twelve and
thirteen year old kids are throwing at and while it's unbelievable,
obviously puts.
Speaker 6 (25:38):
You at risk to you know, have some of these injuries.
So we just have to make sure that as we're training.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
These kids, as we're looking at a full macro cycle
or a full career, that we're doing it a little
bit a little bit smarter.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
I think that's really that is that's smart because again,
and I see the insanity of kids are having preeptive
Tommy John to add Z low. I mean the two
kids that I came across this baseball season that were
off because they had Tommy John and they didn't really
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need it.
Speaker 6 (26:17):
Yeah, I'm gonna let me talk about that for one
secondary and so please a lot a lot of.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
These parents, and they'll read the superficial data, right, I'm
having elbow pain. All the stats and the research says that, hey,
when when you're having elbow pain, if you get Tommy John,
you come back.
Speaker 6 (26:35):
Throwing harder and faster and all these numbers. Right.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
But what they don't realize is the reason that these
kids and these professional athletes even come back throwing a
little bit farder after Tommy John is because it's probably
the first time in their lives that they'd taken six, eight, eleven,
twelve months off from throwing and from not throwing, but
focus on training and rebuilding their arms. So we don't
need to get the actual surgery for you emptively. What
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we need to do preemptively is take a little bit
of time off and work on getting stronger and building
the arm back off rather than just going and grabbing
these surgeries.
Speaker 5 (27:11):
That's a great point. I mean, people don't think about
it like that. And we're talking about this rest and
hopefully that's something that you know, grows from this and
kids see that, Oh wow, I gave myself a couple
months off. I was strategic about my my time down
and really seeing the growth and development from that, right.
I mean people just assume you have to go every
day and to continue to grow and become a better player.
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But if you're just giving yourself rest and you're again
being strategic with your time off, you can really take
your game to another.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Level, especially Dan and Nick, especially when it comes to
kids that are going through puberty and growing, right, Like, yeah,
when you receive growth like I saw it a lot
this year this past year, where you know, the growth
plate in the elbow, kids are getting injured. I know
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two kids in our own league that had that happen
to them, that little league elbow and it turned out
to be their growth plate. You know, how do you
how do you guard against this stuff? And you know
is there. I was telling Danny earlier that Manchester United
now they have the technology where they test kids and
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if the kids are going through a growth spurt, they
shut them down. They over like a four to six
week period while their body is growing, they say that
the science says that they're most susceptible to injury.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Yeah, so, and I think that's good and Manchester, youre
on it. Obviously they take a lot of pride and
that they had these the usual organizations that you know
they're putting this technology into.
Speaker 6 (28:46):
But you can simplify it.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
For any little league out there, especially when these kids
are going through puberty.
Speaker 6 (28:51):
Right, And I'm going to make a.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Couple of points here, but the first thing I want
to say is that you don't just want to pick
up a baseball the day of your spring and that
be the first time that you throw. When we're talking
about being strategic, right, I like you said, and if
these kids are going through puberty and they're getting bigger, stronger,
faster over the course of a year, but sometimes even shorter, right,
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six four months, what you don't want to do is
just pick up and now you're throwing.
Speaker 6 (29:18):
Much harder and you haven't prepared your arm or your
body for that.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
So the best thing to do is after you take
this little bad period in the fall, you take your
time off, you move into a slow program, you start
just playing catch with your dad, and then after you're
don't playing catch with your dad. Maybe the next month
you build upon that a little bit where you're tracking
your velocity. Make sure you're not going all out in December.
But if you build up your arm and you start
to build a little bit of capacity in it by
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the time you get to the regular season and you
need to be throwing hard, you're used to it. You
build up the arm instead of just going out there
on day one and throwing as hard as you can
with you know, this new found strength and this new
found the bigger, stronger, faster body, you want to be
able to build up to it. That's probably the main
point that I want.
Speaker 6 (30:01):
People to take away is.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
You need to build up, start with playing like catch
and build up to the mail and those higher velocity.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
Hey, Nick, uh curious about it.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
And I'm gonna always a lot of times use my
kids as an example because I do think a lot
of a lot of parents, you know, we.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
We all go through the same kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
So uh, you know, like, so my my little one
tweaked his hamstring, right, he wound up.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
He had a busy weekend.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
One weekend he had we had a football game, we
had uh baseball Fridays as he played two games on
Saturday football game and on.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Sunday and he tweaked his hamstring.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Not bad, I mean he said, when he opens up
and really runs, Uh, it's when it you know.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
It started to hurt him.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
And you know he's been it's been a couple of
weeks now and he's still trouble shaking it.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
Wh's the best way to attack it?
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Yeah, So I think the first thing is that when
you look at these injuries, a lot of.
Speaker 6 (31:02):
People are going to say, you know, pinpoint it on
one thing.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Oh, maybe has we ham strings. Maybe it was a
clique that he was wearing that day. But these injuries
and human bodies in general and especially with kids, are
extremely complex and everything matters, right, So when you're trying
to attack it, the first thing I say from.
Speaker 6 (31:20):
An injury standpoint is you need to be doing.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
The right exercises, but you also need to be doing
need to be eating eating right, sleeping right, taking care
of all those outside stressers right. So if you're talking
specifically about the hamstring, what we need to make sure
we do is first get the hamstring strong right in
some of those more provocative positions, the positions where it
feels it. We have to make sure we're doing some
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strengths training and building the strength.
Speaker 6 (31:45):
In those muscles. And then it's the same thing as.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
The throwing that I was talking about before. When we're
going back into sprinting, I don't want your son to
go out there the next weekend and go back and
try to sprint full speed without screening.
Speaker 6 (31:59):
Right.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
You want to be able to slowly build it up. Okay,
let's go for a forty yard job. Then the answer
the forty yard job job, try a little bit of
a strider, and then you know, you want to find
right when you start feeling it and then maybe shut
it down, and then the next day you go out
there and try to do it a little bit more.
Speaker 6 (32:15):
So in addition to.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
All those other things around the sport, plus getting it
stronger and building a little bit more capacity in the hamstring,
then you want to be build a tolerance to sprinting.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Again.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
So it's very multifaceted, so not to get it too
complex of an answer, but you know you want to
do all those things and then ease your way back
into it.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
Yeah, you gotta build it up.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
You gotta build it up.
Speaker 6 (32:36):
You gotta build up.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
Yeah, So, Nick, what's you know?
Speaker 5 (32:39):
Just to help people out there, what are some the
most common mistakes athletes make when they're trying to return
from an injury, right, I mean everyone's always trying to
rush back. You'll feel the competition, but obviously you can
have setbacks and you can really damage your growth. So
what are some of the common mistakes that our athletes
are doing today in a return to play?
Speaker 1 (32:58):
By for our biggest mistake or not having a plan, right,
just trying to go out there and be like, all right,
next weekend, we'll just go play.
Speaker 6 (33:05):
Not having a plan is the biggest mistake. And then
the second biggest, I said, I would think is doing
too much too soon.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
Right, So you just have the let's say an elbow
or a hamstring injury, and it could even be a
minor tweak, but you haven't done anything the full week.
Speaker 6 (33:20):
Maybe you went to school and you're.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Like, hey, I'm going to be ready take off from
practice and go and be ready next weekend. But you
have to build it up. You have to be doing
stuff on your off time to prepare that hamstring for
the demands of the sport, which, like Anne said, it
could be you know, getting on the mound and throwing
as hard as you can. Or they could be playing
in a football game or having a weekend of multi sports,
which is great, but you just have to prepare the
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body so that The two biggest mistakes, especially in season
when kids are trying to get back, I would say, is.
Speaker 6 (33:49):
One not having a plan. Two I'll give you three.
Two is doing too much too soon, and then three.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Definitely for use kids, I see that the biggest thing
is not doing the other stuff right, staying up all
night on TikTok and not getting sleep, play video games
all night.
Speaker 9 (34:09):
Not Oh.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
You're an athlete, you you gotta sleep. You gotta sleep.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
Nick.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
I gotta tell you what a pleasure. You're fantastic. If
people want to reach you, what are your socials this way?
If to have questions for you?
Speaker 6 (34:31):
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Speaker 6 (34:48):
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Speaker 1 (34:52):
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Speaker 2 (34:59):
Nick, Thank you so much, great information, really helpful.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
Uh. We'll really appreciate what we're.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
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Speaker 6 (35:49):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
But let's uh, we got some stuff to do. First
of all, the Danny Nick was terrific, a lot of
great insight. He's worked with some big time athletes.
Speaker 5 (35:58):
Hasn't he big time at so across all sports. In
the NBA, Andre Grumman, who's been a part of the
Philadelphia Sixers, Detroit Piston.
Speaker 4 (36:06):
Has been all over the NBA. Nick has rehabbed him.
Speaker 5 (36:09):
He's rehabbed a ufc UH fighter, Sean Brady, he's a
top four in the world in his weight class.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
And then a couple of MLB guys.
Speaker 5 (36:18):
He has Nolan Jones on the Rockies, Sir Anthony de
Minguez on the Orioles, so he's worked with them. And
then in the NFL you know Jack Driscoll, Uh Eagle
and Nick Herbert who's a part of the Steelers organization
fourth round pick a couple.
Speaker 4 (36:34):
Of years ago. So he he touches all sports.
Speaker 5 (36:36):
He also works with a lot of high level high
school and and Division one college players, but D two,
D three, you know your youth sports.
Speaker 4 (36:45):
Nick is uh.
Speaker 5 (36:46):
He's very knowledgeable and he does a great job of
understanding the body and getting you back to where you.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
Need to be.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
Yeah, you know again I I you know, we got
on the subject of of hell well for a reason
because again I just see it, especially with baseball, and
so once again baseball's blackout period which is really good.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
I got a couple questions off of this.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
In fact, a buddy of mine's listening and just he's
a baseball dad, and he said, what is the role
of high school baseball? Can, yes, Danny, the role of
high school baseball today? And you know what does it matter?
How does it relate to travel team? And once you
get into fifteen, sixteen, seventeen. U.
Speaker 4 (37:34):
Yeah, I think it's good to have a good balance. Right.
Speaker 5 (37:37):
You have to do the travel ball in the summer, right,
it's very important. That's when a lot of scouting gets done.
But now it's going to focus on the spring and summer.
So high school is going to be elevated with this
dead period because the fall ball will die down, right,
I think because of this, you know, big step that
MLB has taken. So now they have to focus on
the spring and summer. So there will still be summer
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ball where there'll be a lot of but they'll also
be attacking the high school season more now, right, there's
gonna be more of an emphasis all that time of year.
So I think it's really important to try to, you know,
make sure you're at the right program, you're dealing with
the coach because again, you're gonna be with the youth
ball guys in the summer, but the high school coaches,
they're going to see you more often. You're gonna have
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a different type of relationship with them, I think. And
now I think it's gonna put more of an emphasis
on the high school season with this new layout of time.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
Yeah, I gotta believe that high school will get amped up.
And I still think you know, I know that the
tournaments are big because they have these showcase tournaments, particularly
in Georgia and in Florida. I know all over Texas
and California, you have a lot of the showcase tournaments.
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For those in the Midwest and the Northeast, it's a
little tougher because the winner and again they need to
travel south to get sea by a lot of these things.
But I do think a lot of the high schools
that this rule will will kind of increase that. And
I think you're right about care. I think the care
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is deeper at the high school than it is on
your travel team because a lot of kids go from
a team to team, especially when it thins out at fourteen, fifteen, sixteen. U.
Speaker 5 (39:24):
Yeah, you're not going to have that relationship right. The
high school relationship is built over time. Again, they're going
to see each other more. It's going to be a
different type of you know, personal relationship. And I think
again I'm happy to see it have a more emphasis.
Speaker 4 (39:38):
With this time period.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
Right.
Speaker 5 (39:40):
And it happened in basketball a couple of years ago,
and college basketball allowed high school teams to play during
a live period in June. So it used to just
be strictly AAU in the offseason. They allowed state association
I love that to have high school tournaments. So you're
playing with your high school team in June for two
weekends and there's a live period and it's been great.
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And again with the landscape is changing on how you're recruited.
But to put more of an emphasis on the high
school scene, I think is very important.
Speaker 4 (40:11):
And we got to see executions.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
But why wouldn't you allow your high schools Since AAU
basketball is all year around, why wouldn't you allow your
high school team to do certain tournaments like that?
Speaker 3 (40:25):
Shouldn't you expand it even more?
Speaker 5 (40:27):
There's just a lot of rulings with state associations and
there was a lot of great tape on when you
could play technically and when you were allowed to, so
they with the NCAA stepping in the state associations had
to follow.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
I got you.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
It just feels like if it's going to go to AAU,
your mind as We'll do it and expand it a
little bit from the high school level because it makes
everybody better. And again, the high school people care about
you more than the AAU people.
Speaker 4 (40:53):
One hundred percent agree. I couldn't agree more.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
That's going to do it for us, Davy, great stuff
that people want to get a hold of. The questions
how did he reach it?
Speaker 5 (41:01):
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Speaker 3 (00:19):
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Cost is a big one. Today we're going to talk
a little bit about health.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Danny D. All right, and.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Very interesting story that came about during this week that
I don't think a lot of people saw. And I
love this as a you know, part time baseball dad.
I'm a baseball football dad, and as a baseball dad,
I really appreciate this in a big way. Major League
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Baseball is ordering a scouting blackout to give high school
baseball players a winter break.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
So from now on.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
There will be no showcase tournaments, no scouting kids. And
it's going to be the first ever amateur recovery period
that bars teams from scouting or collecting on field day
from amateur players during the designated all season months for
high school players to back. The blackout runs from October
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fifteenth through January fifteenth. And this is so good because
the issue is kids throwing too much, and they Major
League Baseball is worried that they have a pitching problem,
that they have kids that yeah, can come in and
throw one hundred and three miles an hour, but.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
They can't stay healthy.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
That it's all this wear and tear on the elbow
and the shoulder is not good for them.
Speaker 5 (02:39):
Danny for sure, And you know, Tommy john is at
an all time high right That injury used to be
like it was career ending. It didn't happen as often.
It's so common in today's youth sports world.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
It's growing. So to be.
Speaker 5 (02:54):
Able to try to combat this with you know, the
strategic layoff pier will be is great and I think
it's really important for development of our of our young athletes.
I mean, it just it's really next level thinking. And
I'm so excited that they finally were able to implement
this and give these kids a little break. You know,
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they're going year round, they're pitching NonStop. So I'm very,
very excited about about this news, and I think it's
going to really help the youth sports landscape.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Yeah, and listen, I don't know how I feel about
fallball right, like, like we're in the middle of it now,
Like my son plays football and baseball, and like we
had like today we have a football game right because
it's football season, but we also have a baseball tournament.
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And now it just so happens that the the baseball
games we have two games today to tomorrow, and the
two games today fall in line where we can't go
because we had the football game they're they're at the
same time.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
But tomorrow he's gonna play baseball. And I don't know
how I feel.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
I mean, we play it because it's like this keeping
up with the Joneses, Like if you don't play it,
are you behind that sort of thing, So we kind
of feel the need to dabble. Now he's on a
team where he's established, and you know, it's pretty lax, like.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
The coach is great, he understands it.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
It's football takes priority during football season, and he's cool.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
You know.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
I give him the schedule every week, so you know,
he knows. When he gets his schedule, I tell him
whether or not we can make it or not. And
he's got a list of guest players that can play.
And you know, we have enough kids anyway. But it's
it's okay to navigate it. It's I don't know if
it's too much on his body, that's the that's the
one issue I have, Danny.
Speaker 5 (04:58):
Yeah, and we I've really you know, we've talked about
this a lot. And I think the two sport athlete
which has kind of died because of this special specialization
and you you know, year round training aspect of.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
These you sports.
Speaker 5 (05:11):
I think it's important to develop, especially other parts of
your body. Right you're young, you're trying to develop, so
I think you know, different motions, being able to you know,
use different muscles, get different muscle memory going.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
I think it's really really important to the development and
it's you know, I'm glad that the MLB was able
to step up.
Speaker 5 (05:30):
So with this, with this, it also will affect college,
which I think is helpful. Right, college is also going
to fall in this window where November fifteenth of January fifteenth,
there'll be no in person scouting or data collection in
these windows for high school and college. So that might
pivot a lot of this fallball baseball that it's you know,
over the last ten years really taken shape. Right, it
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wasn't always it. Fallball wasn't a thing it was, but
it's not this level. So now it's it's kind of expected.
And I'm hoping with this push from Major League Baseball
continues to trickle down and gives these kids an opportunity
to try other sports or give them to give them
time for their body to rest.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
That's it's it's huge. I see it, and I see
it from the baseball only kids. They're playing. Like, first
of all, we play and when you're a kid, you're
playing into if you're any good, you play two leagues. Right,
you're playing your local little league and you're playing travel.
So and this starts like our winter workouts start in
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January and it's four days a week winter workouts, So
you start off with actually start off with three days
a week, and then it amps up to four in February,
and then we're because we're up in the north, we
usually don't hit the field unless there's some decent days.
In March is when we kind of will hit the
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field and but the kids will work out like you're
throw when you're indoors. Now, hey, he's one thing, but
it's the throwing, it's the it's pitching.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
The pitching is the problem.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Because shoulder, elbows, all that stress constant, your body needs
a break. When I this came over and I saw
this yesterday, I was I was so happy. I thought
that that was such a great leadership out of MLB. Now, listen,
they do it because they see the problem. Like you
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could look at Miseroski, look at big big leagues. Every
kid that comes up is a potential on problem.
Speaker 5 (07:41):
It's so common now, and I mean you could probably
talk a little bit more.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
But when you were coming.
Speaker 5 (07:45):
Up, Tommy John, wasn't a surgery that happened so frequently.
This is happening to almost every top prospect coming in,
you know, with the Phillies Andrew Painter, right, Like, it's
very very common now for these big time prospects to
have these types of injuries early in their career, and
it's because of just the wear and tear of their
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you know, them coming up through high school and little league,
and it's just a repetition and the NonStop year round
you know work on those on those body parts. It's
really gives a tough, tough time for your body to grow,
develop and rest. And this is this is an experiment
by the MLB and and I'm really excited that they
took that step. And you know, it's not common in
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all sports, but I would like to see, you know,
if it's happening at a professional level, they're realizing it
and and speaking up and trying to put parameters and
guidelines on it. That will continue to trickle down to
all these U sports across you know, football, basketball, you know, baseball,
all all the top sports where you.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
Know, these kids are going year round.
Speaker 5 (08:45):
It will give them time to rest and also give
their you know, they're growing, right, give there's time their
body sometimes that really develop and grow and hopefully make
sure that these kids are able to be you know,
healthy going through this process.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Well, I'm to bring this up, and you know, there's
a lot of offshoots to this thing. We're gonna have
a guy, you know, Nick Petrowski, who is an expert
in the field and does a lot of rehab work
and with kids. And you know, one of the things
that scary is kids having preemptive Tommy John because they
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think it's going to add velocity, give them velo. And
people are having their parents are having their kids undergo
like a preemptive Tommy John.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
It's unbelievable.
Speaker 5 (09:37):
Yeah, it's it's a scary environment with this stuff. And
Nick is you know, he's very well versed. He works
with kids, you know, youth kids, high school kids, college
and professional athletes in the rehab space and he's dealt
with many many shoulder and arm injuries that where he's helped,
you know, really.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
Navigate this recovery process.
Speaker 5 (09:58):
And again, it's so common today and like you're saying,
like people are doing it preemptively to try to get
a couple extra miles per hours because they think that
will get them on the circuit, get them knowledge acknowledged
by these professional scouts and these you know, big time
college programs, and velocity is important, but I think there's
a healthier way to go about it.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
There's a way that you.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
Can really give your body time to grow and develop
and peak at the right time, so you're really still
getting you know, seen and exposed to all these big
time programs and possibly professional programs.
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youth sports. It's huge, it's all around the country. I
really wanted to do this and I got a dear
friend of mine, Daniel de Bernadinas, who's an athletic director
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for Penn Charter. The Oldest. You guys, you're the oldest
school in the country.
Speaker 5 (11:20):
The oldest Quaker school in the world, and is the
fourth oldest school in the country, established in sixteen eighty nine.
Tons of history and tradition over there many professional athletes baseball.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Matt Ryan is a Penn Charter grad mcglinch. What's that, mcglinchy. Mcglinchy. Yes, yes,
you were also part of the Saint Joe's Prep. Uh
you were a d there and helped build that football
team into a national powerhouse all sports across the board.
Speaker 6 (11:51):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
So you you listen, you're an expert in the field,
and I really thought it was important to get back
to baseball again. I was giving you the schedule, and
so it starts in January and then we start playing games.
You're playing in two leagues. You now go through the
summer right like we like my season, we were in
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the middle of football practice when we had a tournament
in Cooperstown in August, so like, and then all of
a sudden, two weeks later, fallball starts. Baseball on year
round is a danger they did all that throwing. I
see it little League arm I know countless kids that
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came up with that, especially when you're growing Danny. And
this is something I question I'm gonna have for Nick,
which is, you know when kids are going through growth spurts,
it is it best to shut them down? What's the
best way to avoid injury?
Speaker 5 (12:52):
Yeah, it's and it's really important, I think, like I
think it's important to continue to practice and develop. Like
we talked about hitting and you're stretching, and there's a
lot of stuff you can do in the offseason to
offset this, right, but to go hard and game speed
year round, it.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
Really just has a wear and tear on your body.
Speaker 5 (13:10):
And again, these injuries are growing day by day and
people don't have to navigated. And I'm really interested to
see the data in the future, in the next year
or two from you know, MLB taking this stand and
really trying to you know, seeing a problem and trying
to address it with this type of blackout, because if
they're not collecting data during these three months for youth,
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for high school and two months for college to see
what the workloads are and if these fall ball games
start to die down a little bit because they're not
supposed to be active during these two to three months.
So I really am excited to see the data. I'm
excited that they've you know, champion this injury bug that's
kind of taken over their sport, and really excited to
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see if these other professional sports follow the example that
they have started here.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
You know, truthfully, we the appearance are the issue because
we're so afraid of our child falling behind the pack
that you're like, and I'm guilty of it, Like, you know,
I fall into that trap. Well, like I'm at the
point now where I start thinking about seven on seven
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because seven on seven.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
In football is such a big deal.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Now it happens in the spring, and now I'm going, well, wait,
you know, should he be doing you know, baseball and
seven on seven? So but there's how much time, right,
You're gonna play two baseball teams and then a seven
on seven football team.
Speaker 5 (14:44):
Yeah, And burnout and recovery are are real things, right,
So kids, you know, they they're pushing through and it's
a product of environment. Right, We've talked about this in
the past. It's a business now, right, Youth sports is
a billion dollar, multi billion dollar, So people are driving it.
They're always trying to grow it and they're always trying
to find more ways for more games and to make
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sports year round and specialties. But parents also have to
realize there's a burnout is real, recovery is real, especially
as your body is growing, developing, So to try to
find that balance and to really understand and have these
real conversations with your your son or daughter about what's
going on and how they're feeling. I think there's creative
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ways to continue to grow and your develop your body
in these seasons when it's going year round, but to
be strategic about it and not just get out there
and play as many possible games in a week as
you can.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Yeah, I think you're right. You know, it is interesting.
I met someone who's connected with Manchester United's youth team.
So they all have h you'll know the verbiage better
than I will, but they have a club.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
I get a youth club team.
Speaker 5 (15:59):
Yeah, there's like the developmental teams in Europe where they
start very very young, where they have kids you know
early is probably you twelve, really developing, kind of like
a minor league system right for youth through these programs
because football over there, I mean soccer is that's it's
that's all, it's king.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
You're right, right, And so the man You youth organization
they deploy this. They have a all their kids get
tested at the academy, right yep, and they can tell
when they're going through the growth spurt. The science is amazing, man,
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it really is. So during the science during their growth spurts,
because how human beings grow is you grow in spurts,
right like you grow over a two week period where
you'll grow boom and it'll be a spurt. They shut
them down from activity because that's the that's the time
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that a kid is most vulnerable in getting injured is
during that growth spurt period.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
And there's so much technology and science out there. But again,
like those programs have it at their fingertips. Not every parent,
not every youth organization has obviously can you have that
data or have that science. So the professional teams, especially
those serious programs like Manchester, have have the you know,
capability to monitor that. But they know how important it
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is to the development, right, so they utilize this and
they're giving breaks. They're being very strategic about it, like
we just talked about to find ways to really maximize
their athletes.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Yeah, yeah, all right, Well we're going to talk to
to Nick about that coming up.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
And what's his title?
Speaker 5 (17:53):
Danny So he owns a rehab facility, Petrowski Physio, but
he's worked with the UFC fighters, he's worked with professional
you know, baseball players, professional basketball players. He's worked with
tons of high school athletes and a lot of you know,
youth people are starting to go to him because of
his excess uh through the different levels. But yeah, you
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name the sport, you named the professional sport. Nick has
rehab them and got them back to healthy. Yeah, he's
very knowledgeable.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Well, I might have to I might have to ask
him his advice on the hamstrings because mass tweaked his hamstring.
Speaker 5 (18:29):
Oh, man, you gotta get some get some dollars from man,
you gotta pick a brain.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
We had a gate last week and he couldn't play
on offense because of the hamstring, and then he tweaked
it a little bit chasing down a kid, uh on
the sidelines.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
He's like, daddy. I was like, all right, well take
the next series.
Speaker 5 (18:51):
I was worried you were going to say, you call
one on the chain gang running down the sideline.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Man, that listen will be the first time that happen
to be working with chain game. Lots to get to
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Speaker 3 (19:09):
Pan Charter is the fourth oldest school in the country, which.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
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next guest. When it comes to recovery and training. He
is the best. He's worked with all kinds of athletes,
from youth athletes all through professional athletes. Let's welcome Nicholas
Petrowski to the show.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
Good morning, Nick.
Speaker 6 (21:52):
Good morning guys. Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
What a pleasure, buddy, What a pleasure. We're talking about
what MLB did, and I really applaud Major League Baseball
for instituting this blackout period on on scouting amateurs. We
have a real problem in baseball with over use, and
I think they're really worried and concern about arm health
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and pitching because kids are doing it all year round.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Yeah, no, I agree, and I think that you know,
at first, they were saying, like, you know, we want
to protect the arms, you want to protect the kids,
who want to protect the use youth, but they weren't
doing anything about it.
Speaker 6 (22:34):
So I think this is like their first big major
step to.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Protecting the arms, giving the kids a little bit of
time off and you know, telling the scalts they can't
go out there and take look at the kids.
Speaker 6 (22:44):
In the fall.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
Yeah, and what'll do? And then, Danny, I want you
to pick up on this. But what it will it'll do.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
And as a baseball dad, I see it. It'll force
kids to shut it down. And it happens, and I
see it happening at the lowest levels where you know
you're playing you know, two teams in the spring, you're
playing all summer. You take a couple of weeks off
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in the fall, but then you're back at it for fallball,
and then your winter workouts start in January. So that's
a lot of taxing. What does that do to a kid?
Especially kids? You know, as you're going you're twelve years old,
you're going through puberty and then you get into your
teenage years.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
What does that wear and tear do to a kid's body?
Speaker 6 (23:34):
Yeah, well, I.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Think the consistent overuse, like throughout the full year, right,
and that takes a big toll. But what does dead
period also does?
Speaker 6 (23:43):
And I think is you know, should have a light
be shine upon it?
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Is that it now gives the kids this opportunity or
this thought to hey, maybe I want to play.
Speaker 6 (23:52):
A second sport, Whereas before.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
You know, a kid might go out there and be like, hey,
my coach wants me to play spring. My coach wants
me to train in the winter. My coach wants me
to play in the fall. They didn't have this option.
Right now they have this option. Hey, maybe I play soccer,
maybe I play football, or whatever other sports are maybe
interested in, just to give the.
Speaker 6 (24:09):
Body a little bit of a change.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
And honestly, I think this is a good first step
for Major League Baseball. But now what they haven't said
is what should they be doing in that dead period?
Speaker 6 (24:23):
Right some kids can completely rest not play sports at all.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
But I think a really big thing that these baseball
players say they don't go and play a different sports.
Speaker 6 (24:33):
They need to. They need to.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Take that little break, and they need to plan out
their offseason so that they can gradually start throwing right,
not just pick it up all at one time or
be throwing all year.
Speaker 6 (24:44):
A gradual on ramp to protect their arms.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
Yeah, that's some great advice.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Nick.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
I have a question for you, though, what is what
does the uptick look.
Speaker 5 (24:54):
Like recently with dealing with youth athletes and their arms injuries?
Is Tommy John, is that taking the massive step or
the other injuries that you've seen that are you know,
kind of coming up the pike that are more common
now that weren't in the past.
Speaker 6 (25:08):
No.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Yeah, I mean all injuries across all sports, especially these
major injuries. You guys are seeing it right in the
Achilles ruptures in the NFL and the MLB, but specifically
in baseball. Right, we're having a lot of laboral issues.
We're having a lot of Tommy Johns, like you said,
and that part these kids are getting bigger, stronger, and faster.
Speaker 6 (25:28):
They're throwing harder earlier in their lives. Right.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
We see the velocity that some of these twelve and
thirteen year old kids are throwing at and while it's unbelievable,
obviously puts.
Speaker 6 (25:38):
You at risk to you know, have some of these injuries.
So we just have to make sure that as we're training.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
These kids, as we're looking at a full macro cycle
or a full career, that we're doing it a little
bit a little bit smarter.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
I think that's really that is that's smart because again,
and I see the insanity of kids are having preeptive
Tommy John to add Z low. I mean the two
kids that I came across this baseball season that were
off because they had Tommy John and they didn't really
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need it.
Speaker 6 (26:17):
Yeah, I'm gonna let me talk about that for one
secondary and so please a lot a lot of.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
These parents, and they'll read the superficial data, right, I'm
having elbow pain. All the stats and the research says that, hey,
when when you're having elbow pain, if you get Tommy John,
you come back.
Speaker 6 (26:35):
Throwing harder and faster and all these numbers. Right.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
But what they don't realize is the reason that these
kids and these professional athletes even come back throwing a
little bit farder after Tommy John is because it's probably
the first time in their lives that they'd taken six, eight, eleven,
twelve months off from throwing and from not throwing, but
focus on training and rebuilding their arms. So we don't
need to get the actual surgery for you emptively. What
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we need to do preemptively is take a little bit
of time off and work on getting stronger and building
the arm back off rather than just going and grabbing
these surgeries.
Speaker 5 (27:11):
That's a great point. I mean, people don't think about
it like that. And we're talking about this rest and
hopefully that's something that you know, grows from this and
kids see that, Oh wow, I gave myself a couple
months off. I was strategic about my my time down
and really seeing the growth and development from that, right.
I mean people just assume you have to go every
day and to continue to grow and become a better player.
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But if you're just giving yourself rest and you're again
being strategic with your time off, you can really take
your game to another.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Level, especially Dan and Nick, especially when it comes to
kids that are going through puberty and growing, right, Like, yeah,
when you receive growth like I saw it a lot
this year this past year, where you know, the growth
plate in the elbow, kids are getting injured. I know
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two kids in our own league that had that happen
to them, that little league elbow and it turned out
to be their growth plate. You know, how do you
how do you guard against this stuff? And you know
is there. I was telling Danny earlier that Manchester United
now they have the technology where they test kids and
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if the kids are going through a growth spurt, they
shut them down. They over like a four to six
week period while their body is growing, they say that
the science says that they're most susceptible to injury.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Yeah, so, and I think that's good and Manchester, youre
on it. Obviously they take a lot of pride and
that they had these the usual organizations that you know
they're putting this technology into.
Speaker 6 (28:46):
But you can simplify it.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
For any little league out there, especially when these kids
are going through puberty.
Speaker 6 (28:51):
Right, And I'm going to make a.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Couple of points here, but the first thing I want
to say is that you don't just want to pick
up a baseball the day of your spring and that
be the first time that you throw. When we're talking
about being strategic, right, I like you said, and if
these kids are going through puberty and they're getting bigger, stronger,
faster over the course of a year, but sometimes even shorter, right,
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six four months, what you don't want to do is
just pick up and now you're throwing.
Speaker 6 (29:18):
Much harder and you haven't prepared your arm or your
body for that.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
So the best thing to do is after you take
this little bad period in the fall, you take your
time off, you move into a slow program, you start
just playing catch with your dad, and then after you're
don't playing catch with your dad. Maybe the next month
you build upon that a little bit where you're tracking
your velocity. Make sure you're not going all out in December.
But if you build up your arm and you start
to build a little bit of capacity in it by
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the time you get to the regular season and you
need to be throwing hard, you're used to it. You
build up the arm instead of just going out there
on day one and throwing as hard as you can
with you know, this new found strength and this new
found the bigger, stronger, faster body, you want to be
able to build up to it. That's probably the main
point that I want.
Speaker 6 (30:01):
People to take away is.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
You need to build up, start with playing like catch
and build up to the mail and those higher velocity.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
Hey, Nick, uh curious about it.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
And I'm gonna always a lot of times use my
kids as an example because I do think a lot
of a lot of parents, you know, we.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
We all go through the same kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
So uh, you know, like, so my my little one
tweaked his hamstring, right, he wound up.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
He had a busy weekend.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
One weekend he had we had a football game, we
had uh baseball Fridays as he played two games on
Saturday football game and on.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Sunday and he tweaked his hamstring.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Not bad, I mean he said, when he opens up
and really runs, Uh, it's when it you know.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
It started to hurt him.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
And you know he's been it's been a couple of
weeks now and he's still trouble shaking it.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
Wh's the best way to attack it?
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Yeah, So I think the first thing is that when
you look at these injuries, a lot of.
Speaker 6 (31:02):
People are going to say, you know, pinpoint it on
one thing.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Oh, maybe has we ham strings. Maybe it was a
clique that he was wearing that day. But these injuries
and human bodies in general and especially with kids, are
extremely complex and everything matters, right, So when you're trying
to attack it, the first thing I say from.
Speaker 6 (31:20):
An injury standpoint is you need to be doing.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
The right exercises, but you also need to be doing
need to be eating eating right, sleeping right, taking care
of all those outside stressers right. So if you're talking
specifically about the hamstring, what we need to make sure
we do is first get the hamstring strong right in
some of those more provocative positions, the positions where it
feels it. We have to make sure we're doing some
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strengths training and building the strength.
Speaker 6 (31:45):
In those muscles. And then it's the same thing as.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
The throwing that I was talking about before. When we're
going back into sprinting, I don't want your son to
go out there the next weekend and go back and
try to sprint full speed without screening.
Speaker 6 (31:59):
Right.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
You want to be able to slowly build it up. Okay,
let's go for a forty yard job. Then the answer
the forty yard job job, try a little bit of
a strider, and then you know, you want to find
right when you start feeling it and then maybe shut
it down, and then the next day you go out
there and try to do it a little bit more.
Speaker 6 (32:15):
So in addition to.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
All those other things around the sport, plus getting it
stronger and building a little bit more capacity in the hamstring,
then you want to be build a tolerance to sprinting.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Again.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
So it's very multifaceted, so not to get it too
complex of an answer, but you know you want to
do all those things and then ease your way back
into it.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
Yeah, you gotta build it up.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
You gotta build it up.
Speaker 6 (32:36):
You gotta build up.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
Yeah, So, Nick, what's you know?
Speaker 5 (32:39):
Just to help people out there, what are some the
most common mistakes athletes make when they're trying to return
from an injury, right, I mean everyone's always trying to
rush back. You'll feel the competition, but obviously you can
have setbacks and you can really damage your growth. So
what are some of the common mistakes that our athletes
are doing today in a return to play?
Speaker 1 (32:58):
By for our biggest mistake or not having a plan, right,
just trying to go out there and be like, all right,
next weekend, we'll just go play.
Speaker 6 (33:05):
Not having a plan is the biggest mistake. And then
the second biggest, I said, I would think is doing
too much too soon.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
Right, So you just have the let's say an elbow
or a hamstring injury, and it could even be a
minor tweak, but you haven't done anything the full week.
Speaker 6 (33:20):
Maybe you went to school and you're.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Like, hey, I'm going to be ready take off from
practice and go and be ready next weekend. But you
have to build it up. You have to be doing
stuff on your off time to prepare that hamstring for
the demands of the sport, which, like Anne said, it
could be you know, getting on the mound and throwing
as hard as you can. Or they could be playing
in a football game or having a weekend of multi sports,
which is great, but you just have to prepare the
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body so that The two biggest mistakes, especially in season
when kids are trying to get back, I would say, is.
Speaker 6 (33:49):
One not having a plan. Two I'll give you three.
Two is doing too much too soon, and then three.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
Definitely for use kids, I see that the biggest thing
is not doing the other stuff right, staying up all
night on TikTok and not getting sleep, play video games
all night.
Speaker 9 (34:09):
Not Oh.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
You're an athlete, you you gotta sleep. You gotta sleep.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
Nick.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
I gotta tell you what a pleasure. You're fantastic. If
people want to reach you, what are your socials this way?
If to have questions for you?
Speaker 6 (34:31):
Yeah, perfect. So if you want to reach our company,
that's the.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
Best place to get all these injuries they are speaking
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we're at Petrotsky Physio. We're everywhere else as well, but
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as well ww dot petrotskiphysio dot com and then anything
you have for me.
Speaker 6 (34:48):
You can reach me directly just through email. If parents
have a couple of questions.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Or you know they want they want to check us
out or learn more, just Nick at Petrotskyphysio dot com
and I'll answer everything.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
Nick, Thank you so much, great information, really helpful.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
Uh. We'll really appreciate what we're.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Gonna be getting you back again. I love this information.
It's fantastic. This is Project nil, your insight into youth sports,
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am Anthony Gargano, your resident sports data fella, and we'll
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I L Danny De bernadinas Athletic Director Penn Charter. I'm
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and the fellas. We'll begin your look into college and
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the NFL Big Football weekend.
Speaker 6 (35:49):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
But let's uh, we got some stuff to do. First
of all, the Danny Nick was terrific, a lot of
great insight. He's worked with some big time athletes.
Speaker 5 (35:58):
Hasn't he big time at so across all sports. In
the NBA, Andre Grumman, who's been a part of the
Philadelphia Sixers, Detroit Piston.
Speaker 4 (36:06):
Has been all over the NBA. Nick has rehabbed him.
Speaker 5 (36:09):
He's rehabbed a ufc UH fighter, Sean Brady, he's a
top four in the world in his weight class.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
And then a couple of MLB guys.
Speaker 5 (36:18):
He has Nolan Jones on the Rockies, Sir Anthony de
Minguez on the Orioles, so he's worked with them. And
then in the NFL you know Jack Driscoll, Uh Eagle
and Nick Herbert who's a part of the Steelers organization
fourth round pick a couple.
Speaker 4 (36:34):
Of years ago. So he he touches all sports.
Speaker 5 (36:36):
He also works with a lot of high level high
school and and Division one college players, but D two,
D three, you know your youth sports.
Speaker 4 (36:45):
Nick is uh.
Speaker 5 (36:46):
He's very knowledgeable and he does a great job of
understanding the body and getting you back to where you.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
Need to be.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
Yeah, you know again I I you know, we got
on the subject of of hell well for a reason
because again I just see it, especially with baseball, and
so once again baseball's blackout period which is really good.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
I got a couple questions off of this.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
In fact, a buddy of mine's listening and just he's
a baseball dad, and he said, what is the role
of high school baseball? Can, yes, Danny, the role of
high school baseball today? And you know what does it matter?
How does it relate to travel team? And once you
get into fifteen, sixteen, seventeen. U.
Speaker 4 (37:34):
Yeah, I think it's good to have a good balance. Right.
Speaker 5 (37:37):
You have to do the travel ball in the summer, right,
it's very important. That's when a lot of scouting gets done.
But now it's going to focus on the spring and summer.
So high school is going to be elevated with this
dead period because the fall ball will die down, right,
I think because of this, you know, big step that
MLB has taken. So now they have to focus on
the spring and summer. So there will still be summer
(37:58):
ball where there'll be a lot of but they'll also
be attacking the high school season more now, right, there's
gonna be more of an emphasis all that time of year.
So I think it's really important to try to, you know,
make sure you're at the right program, you're dealing with
the coach because again, you're gonna be with the youth
ball guys in the summer, but the high school coaches,
they're going to see you more often. You're gonna have
(38:20):
a different type of relationship with them, I think. And
now I think it's gonna put more of an emphasis
on the high school season with this new layout of time.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
Yeah, I gotta believe that high school will get amped up.
And I still think you know, I know that the
tournaments are big because they have these showcase tournaments, particularly
in Georgia and in Florida. I know all over Texas
and California, you have a lot of the showcase tournaments.
(38:51):
For those in the Midwest and the Northeast, it's a
little tougher because the winner and again they need to
travel south to get sea by a lot of these things.
But I do think a lot of the high schools
that this rule will will kind of increase that. And
I think you're right about care. I think the care
(39:12):
is deeper at the high school than it is on
your travel team because a lot of kids go from
a team to team, especially when it thins out at fourteen, fifteen, sixteen. U.
Speaker 5 (39:24):
Yeah, you're not going to have that relationship right. The
high school relationship is built over time. Again, they're going
to see each other more. It's going to be a
different type of you know, personal relationship. And I think
again I'm happy to see it have a more emphasis.
Speaker 4 (39:38):
With this time period.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
Right.
Speaker 5 (39:40):
And it happened in basketball a couple of years ago,
and college basketball allowed high school teams to play during
a live period in June. So it used to just
be strictly AAU in the offseason. They allowed state association
I love that to have high school tournaments. So you're
playing with your high school team in June for two
weekends and there's a live period and it's been great.
(40:03):
And again with the landscape is changing on how you're recruited.
But to put more of an emphasis on the high
school scene, I think is very important.
Speaker 4 (40:11):
And we got to see executions.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
But why wouldn't you allow your high schools Since AAU
basketball is all year around, why wouldn't you allow your
high school team to do certain tournaments like that?
Speaker 3 (40:25):
Shouldn't you expand it even more?
Speaker 5 (40:27):
There's just a lot of rulings with state associations and
there was a lot of great tape on when you
could play technically and when you were allowed to, so
they with the NCAA stepping in the state associations had
to follow.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
I got you.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
It just feels like if it's going to go to AAU,
your mind as We'll do it and expand it a
little bit from the high school level because it makes
everybody better. And again, the high school people care about
you more than the AAU people.
Speaker 4 (40:53):
One hundred percent agree. I couldn't agree more.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
That's going to do it for us, Davy, great stuff
that people want to get a hold of. The questions
how did he reach it?
Speaker 5 (41:01):
Yeah, Daniel underscore D five one five on Twitter. Please
feel free to reach out with any questions.
Speaker 3 (41:07):
All right, the fella is coming up next
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