Aaron Torres & Jason Martin React to Arch Manning's Continued Struggles, UCLA Stunning Penn State & More!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
Welcome bit everybody, Fox Sports Radio, Fox Football Saturday Er
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Sports Radio studios. Jay Bart. You know, listen, it's the
oldest cliche in the book, but we always say that
the college football Saturdays that look like on paper, maybe

(00:26):
they're not going to be as good. Remember last week
we had those two top ten matchups. I think we
had three Top twenty matchups overall. That was the weekend
that everybody had circled. This one was ah, you know,
even Florida State and Miami's lost a little bit of luster.
With Florida State losing, how good is it going to be? Well,
Penn State in the most shocking loss of the season

(00:47):
bar none, falls to UCLA Arch Manning. I don't know
what his future is.

Speaker 3 (00:55):
And all I know is I saw a comment that
suggested Golden Arches Manning is where he's about to end
up if he doesn't start playing better football, meaning he's
gonna be a fry cook.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
Well, it's bad, and I should mention, by the way,
where I thought we might come onto this show is
that basically the Miami Florida State game is at three
minutes left, and at one point, Miami was up twenty
eight to three, very much looking like the best team
in college football. Well, it's kind of worth noting it's
twenty eight to nineteen now. Florida State just scored a

(01:30):
two point conversion would have made it a one possession game.
They did not get it, so it's still a two
possession game. Miami's gonna hold on, but probably not the
strongest way to end. And so instead let's go to
the swamp j Mart and we and we'll keep you
updated as Florida State and Miami gets set to go
final here but three minutes left. As I said, Florida

(01:50):
State down by nine at home, Miami up at twenty
eight nineteen. But let's go to you know, I think
we could start with either of the stories, but Florida
Texas was certainly something. Florida came in on the three
game losing streak the last time we saw the Florida
Gators one hundred and forty one yards of total offense

(02:11):
oh for thirteen on third down against the Miami Hurricanes.
Well off of a bye, Florida set the tone early.
They go up ten to nothing in the first quarter.
Texas not only never let in this game, but it
never felt like they were ever go Like there was
never a moment where you're like, Okay, here's Texas. Texas
is coming. Instead, they fall to three and two their

(02:35):
wins at this point. J mart are against Sam Houston State,
San Jose State and UTEP and arch Manning sixteen of
twenty nine, two touchdowns, two interceptions. It wasn't all his fault.
He was sacked a couple times. Let's see here, sacks
six times, not a couple of times, sacks six times,
somewhere on the O line, somewhere on him. But I'm

(02:57):
gonna let you take this. Is this some sort of
statement from the Florida Gators who had lost three straight
coming into this one, or is this just about arch
Manning simply not being good enough to be the quarterback
of the Texas Longhornes.

Speaker 3 (03:09):
So look, I'm wearing Warby Parker reading glasses right now
as we start this show. And I saw a joke
after the game that said perhaps he needs to wear
the glasses that he wears any ad during the games.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
Oh, is this like a Rick Hani key He's not
seeing very well. Is that is that? What that is?

Speaker 3 (03:31):
Well? I mean he's he's in warby Parker ads sure,
and he's wearing these glasses and then he's out there
and this is what I didn't expect. What I didn't
expect from arch Manning was that he was going to
be this inaccurate, Like that was not on my Bengo
card coming into the season whatever was going to happen

(03:51):
with Arch. I certainly thought he was going to be
able to throw the football, and there were a couple
of throws in this game that looked pretty good good,
but the vast majority of what he did was bad.
It wasn't even mediocre. It was bad. The poison the
pocket was bad. There were a few times where he
handled the pocket well. A lot of times he didn't

(04:14):
look like he knew where he was. He overshot wide
open guys, he overthrew his roommate who made the catch
and it turned into a hospital ball almost. It was
a rough tackle, but is because he had to stretch
out for this that he wasn't able to make any
kind of play on the ball afterwards, And like, obviously
he's going to take a run of the criticism. Yeah,

(04:35):
you're right. The offensive line is not very good. Honestly,
I don't know that Texas as a team is very good.
I'm not blown away with almost anything that I see
from them, which is stunning based on what we anticipated
coming into the season. But arch Manning and time may
change this. But I'm not going to give him the
benefit of the doubt and say that time is going

(04:57):
to change this because I'm not sure I would give
that benefit of the doubt somebody else. So I'm gonna
forget about his last name because there's no reason to
talk about that anymore. This is a guy that's not
very good at football right now. This is a guy
who kind of grandstanded on lesser opponents, but when he
has actually had somebody that can punch him in the mouth,

(05:17):
whether it was Ohio State, whether it was what we
saw last year in the College Football Playoff, whether it
was today in the Swamp against a Florida defense that
has been good much of this season. And so we
are watching this and I thought, Okay, this is a
litmus test game for arch Manning because he is going
to face a defense here. But they've got better talent
than Florida. They should be able to you know, he

(05:39):
should be able to do some stuff. This is what
Arch Manning is supposed to do. It's what we've heard
about for years. He's not capable of it, Aaron. He's
just not very good. And again, like not that you're
rooting against him, even though it does seem like a
lot of people are. But this right here, the leash
is getting shorter and shorter and shorter. And if his

(06:01):
name wasn't Manning, I'm not so sure he would still
be the starring quarterback at Texas because even though he
made a couple of good throws in this game, I
would say eighty percent of what I saw from him
during the course of four quarters on the road against
an SEC opponent was flat out not good enough to
be QB one.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
So I think bigger picture. That's the interesting conversation. A
couple thoughts here on everything you said. First of all,
I don't want to put it all on Arch because
and I'm not saying in any way, shape or form
you were, but you know, again sacked six times. Some
of that was on him, but some of it is
this old line, which you remember last year they were

(06:39):
really good on the O line, you know, Kelvin Banks
ends up as a first round pick of the New
Orleans Saints. Whatever. You go into this game on Saturday,
they rushed for fifty two yards. Now, part of it
was again they were down from basically, you know, the
first play, not the first play, but the first series
of the game. On they were they fell behind. It
could never catch up. But fifty two yards on the ground,

(07:00):
round two yards per carry, ten penalties, several of them
false starts, and then six six sacks. Some of them
were on Arch, some of them were not on Arch.
And so to me, I actually think the bigger story
is what you said in the on the back end
is Arch isn't good. But I think you me pretty
much anybody who cares about college football and thinks about

(07:20):
it in July and August and starting to prep for
the season thought, because I remember, I know that I
had this thought. Was I remember talking to buddy of
mine who covers A and M, and we were talking
about Arch, and and you know, I said, it's the
most interesting story, blah blah blah blah blah. And he
brought up the point he said, Aaron, Yeah, but Texas
is so good everywhere else that it might not matter
how good he is, and so I just bring that
up because that, to me is the shocking thing that

(07:43):
I think Arch was gonna be this bad. Of course not,
but the counter to that was, I thought, the defense
is going to be so good it won't matter. The
O line is going to be so good it won't matter.
The run game is going to be so good it
won't matter. The receivers will be so good they'll be
able to make up for it. Well, it's just not
a good football team right now. You know, they finished,
as I said, fifty two yards rushing, two yards per carry,

(08:04):
ten penalties in the swamp by the way. They you know,
they still aren't winning big games in the SEC, if
you even want to call to Florida a big game.
But I mean, you go back to last year, they
didn't have a lot of great wins. And then conversely,
on defense, one hundred and fifty nine yards rushing allowed
four and a half yards per carry. Lagway, to his credit,

(08:25):
you know, played by far his best game of the season.
And it's it's not just that Arch isn't good, which
I agree with you one hundred percent on, it's that
I just I don't know what this team. This Texas
team that is does very well at this point, and
to the point that you made that I made that
we're all gonna make it ain't getting any easier. Because
I'll say this. You know, they play Oklahoma next week.

(08:46):
John Mattier might not be available.

Speaker 3 (08:48):
I don't think.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
I'm not saying they can't win even if John Mattier
doesn't play. But I don't even know if Johnttier doesn't play.
If I think that they will win because of the
quarterback play and because Oklahoma's defense is so good. So
I'm rambling, I'm gonna toss it back to you. I
guess the point that I'm trying to make is to me,
it's an arch thing, but it's a everything thing basically,
for lack of a better term.

Speaker 3 (09:09):
Yeah, So there are quarterbacks that can, if not overcome,
they can certainly put you in a position to win
when other things aren't going right. And then there are
guys where everything has to be perfect or you've got
no chance. And I think that what's accurate right now
about Texas is that they don't look cohesive on either
side of the ball. I'm stunned by it. And Arch

(09:33):
Manning is nowhere near good enough to raise the level
of their play. And I don't know that they believe
in them right now. And I don't mean Sarkisian and
the staff necessarily as much as I mean the guys
on the field, the offensive line getting all the false
star penalties. They're trying to get a jump because obviously
Florida is coming at him, and they also know that

(09:54):
their quarterback can't seem to get the ball out of
his hands. Like, yeah, there were definitely some of those
sacks that were on Arch the offensive line didn't help
the cause, but you've got to adjust at that point
and get the ball out of your hand. And I
did not see that during the course of the game,
the interceptions. You know, he threw a couple of deep
shots that didn't work out. But it's just I know

(10:15):
there's a lot of pressure on him, and it's increasingly
so because I don't think that as he looks at
the team, they're as dominant as he thought they were
going to be, because he watched what quinn Ewers did
last year, and he watched the team around quinn Ewers,
and he was around that team, and now it's his
team and the team's not the same and the team's
nowhere near as good, so more is on his shoulders.
Plus he's got his last name, and he knows that

(10:37):
a lot of people are waiting for him to fail
and all this stuff, and what we are seeing from
him is just I don't know that he's crumbling under pressure.
I think that the hype was way too much. That's
obvious at this point. A lot of people look foolish.
And I'm not excluding myself when I say that, but
a lot of people thought that this was going to

(10:57):
go differently, much faster. And look, there's a lot of
Texas fans right now that are trying to send, you know,
one eight hundred flowers or whatever to quinn Ewers because
they were burying that guy last year. And now they're like, man,
I wish we had you back, Like I wish we
would have welcomed you back. We didn't realize what we had,
and sometimes you don't until it's gone. Because and you

(11:19):
made this point, and you made it last year, and
you get all the credit for this, and you've made
it repeatedly this year. There's a reason why that dude
did not you know, replace quinn Ewers last year because
they had a chance to win a championship, and of
Sark thought that Arch was going to give him a
better chance to win the championship, he would have made
that move and he didn't. And there's a reason, and

(11:40):
we've seen it now. He's just not ready yet. At best,
he's not ready. At worst, he's just not very good.

Speaker 2 (11:47):
Yeah, and I we'll kind of wrap on that, jamrt Is.
I guess that's my question, is it's interesting when you
recruit a player as high profile as Arch manning one.
I think increasingly it feels more and more like I
think they were trying to hide him the last two years.
Because again to the point that you made, to the
point that I've made, we've listened. We don't have to

(12:09):
go through all of it. We have seen coaches when
they know that they have the better quarterback on the
bench and they have a roster good enough to win.
We have seen coaches make changes. We don't have to
go through all of them. But two over Jalen Hurts,
Trevor Lawrence over Kelly Bryant. We could go on and
on down the list. Okay, so that's whatever, But I
just think what's more interesting is Arch is obviously a

(12:31):
red shirt sophomore. We know all the commentary in the
offseason about his grandpa saying this and him saying that,
and how long will he actually be there for? In
theory he could be there two more years. And I
guess the only point that I'm trying to make is,
you know, I just think it's such an interesting kind of,
for lack of a better term, of a political balance
of you know, the Manning family carries a lot of weight,

(12:53):
no matter what you think. And I think it's pretty
clear everybody wants this to work. But I just don't
know how long that leads can be because I know
I open the segment by saying the defense isn't good
right now, the old line isn't good enough. I trust
that staff to get everything else in line. I don't
know if I trust Arch to elevate to the point
that he can win the games that he needs to

(13:14):
win for Texas to have the kind of seasons that
they expect to have. So I just bring it up
because I'm just more curious than anything else. How long
is the rope with Arch where you have to say
I know what your last name is, I know who
your uncles are, I know who your grandfather is we
don't want to upset the first family of football, but
we have to make tough decisions on you. I know

(13:35):
there's no answer to that, but I just think it's
a fascinating conversation going forward.

Speaker 3 (13:40):
Look, we've gone from can they keep him in school?
To do they want him next year? Like, I think
that's that's the trajectory we're on. We're not there yet.
There's still more than much. You know, there's still a
lot of football left to be played this year. So
we're basing this on a month's worth of work. And yes,
he's still young, he's twenty one years old. He's just

(14:00):
arding to really see what college football is and all
those kinds of things. Throwing those caveats out the door.
Are we sure Texas is going to have him as
QB one next year because they choose to have as
QB one next year, Like, he could be in the
MAC next year, he could be somewhere else. He's not
going to the NFL Draft that I think we're I mean,

(14:20):
who's at this point, I don't see how that could
potentially even be possible. But you look at the rest
of it's like, so who is it that's going to
give him his next opportunity because Texas made jettison him,
because I guarantee you right now they are recruiting quarterbacks
hardcore and saying you have a chance to play next year.
They have to be it's a win now league that

(14:43):
you don't have time to watch him develop. And to
your point, they've had him on campus for a couple
of years, so they know what they've had and I'm
not so sure that they are surprised by what they're seeing.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
Yeah. No, And that's the most important part is he
has been on campus in his year three. And I
know we've said this from the beginning, but this isn't
you know, fill in the blank somebody that's thrown into
the fire as a true freshman. This isn't Bryce Underwhere,
This isn't Dylan Ryola last year. This is the third
year that he has been in that program and should
be ready to go. Uh So we'll see what happens.

(15:13):
We don't have answers, Steve Sarkisian saying all the right
things right now, but we will will be monitoring.

Speaker 3 (15:20):
Speaking of so many dudes, so many dudes that were
supposed to be studs.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
You know, but.

Speaker 3 (15:27):
Let me.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
Let me say this, it's crazy. There is some good
quarterback play. Ty Simpson has been awesome. By the way.
One guy that we gave up on that maybe we
shouldn't have Nico I Amaliava baby oh boy. There's a
lot of deleted tweets from Nico as we as we
get set to talk about that game. By the way,

(15:50):
we do just about have a final. Florida State scored again,
uh to cut the lead, So basically they drove the
length of the field. It was a two possession game.
They elected to kick a field goal to cut it
to two. I guess it would be six trying to
recover an onside kick. Onside kick, Miami recovers, Miami is
gonna survive. Twenty eight twenty two will be the final score.

(16:12):
All the you gotta do is take a knee, although
Mario Christobal has a history of not taking a knee
in the situation, so we'll see if credit credit Florida.

Speaker 3 (16:18):
State though, I mean, they could have gotten boat race
when this thing is twenty eight to three. They're a
pretty good football team, but no means are they great.
But they're obviously gonna be a tough out week after week.

Speaker 2 (16:28):
Well'll tell you what. We'll come back. We will talk
about this game, as it looks like Miami is going
to hold on to improve to five and zero. Certainly
have the edge in an acc that feels wide open
outside of them. We'll come back and discuss this, but
we do have to discuss the man that I just mentioned,
Nico Iyamaliava and the team, the UCLA Bruins just absolutely

(16:50):
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(17:12):
We do have a final in Tallahassee. Miami holds on
twenty eight, twenty two. They were up twenty eight to
three at one point in this game. They survive, we'll
come back. We'll talk that and the redemption arc of
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(17:34):
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Jay bart I had no idea that on Planet Earth,

(19:43):
Mother Teresa, the Dali Lama and Jerry Neuheisel were the
most beloved people in the history of Planet Earth. UCLA
gets the win over Penn State. Final score well is
at forty two to thirty. I don't even have it
off the top of my head. It does not matter.
I'll get it to an half a second. The point
I'm trying to make UCLA coming in as close to

(20:04):
a four touchdown favorite, had never led for a single
moment in their first four games coming into Saturday. They
pull off the upset against Penn State, and the man
you just heard, Jerry Newhisel, the interim AD hired on Monday,
carried off the field, jaymart, I know we can be

(20:25):
hyperbolic at times with college football. I don't know that
I've ever seen anything quite like what we saw at
the Rose Bowl on Saturday.

Speaker 3 (20:37):
Nobody saw that one coming. That was an zero to
four team that at no point in the season had
led in any game, and they led for the entirety
of the game against one of the national championship favorites
entering the season. And Jerry new Heisel like, it's weird,
like I thought, because he looks so much like Rick

(21:01):
in so many ways, And of course they kept cutting
into Rick in the studio and that was a cool moment.
It's just really just awesome to see, and a lot
of us at Fox, I'm sure you have I've interviewed
Rick through the years and just a really nice guy,
really good guy, energetic guy, positive force. So I'm sure
that that was just an amazing thing for his family.

(21:21):
But I couldn't help but think I was watching like
Chad Powers, because I keep seeing these ads with the
Manning thing and everything else that I forget his name now,
the actor that's playing Glenn Powell, that's playing him in
the Hulu series, And I was just like, dude, he
kind of looks like a cross between young John Gruden

(21:41):
and Rick Newisle. Like it's such a weird thing, but dude,
he was fired up and what he was calling was
working like gangbusters. And it leaves you to think, man,
how bad was to Sean Foster? Well, how bad were
things there? Because you got interims all over the play.
You've got a quarterback who had not had anything to

(22:04):
say positive whatsoever, and no one has had anything positive
to say about him since he left Knoxville, basically, and
on one Saturday, they flipped the entire script around. Everybody
wanted to see them win that game. They won that
game in kind of dramatic fashion, because you certainly thought,

(22:25):
as it was getting down to crunch time, oh well,
Penn State's getting the ball back. All right, this was
a nice story, but this is where the team that's
supposed to win wins and then they didn't, And so
what have we left with? You know, exactly what we're
left with because I've been talking about it for years,
and you've been talking about it for years, and in
this case, unfortunately he can't escape because the end of

(22:47):
game management and the way that last two to three
minutes played out is quite a feather in the reverse
cap of James Franklin. This was an unmitigated disaster for
Penn State. And I don't even know where we're going
from here. I have no idea like what James Franklin's

(23:10):
future is, how long it's gonna last. But I know
he has a fifty million dollar buyout. Well, I'll tell you,
and that's a big problem.

Speaker 2 (23:17):
Well, I'll tell you where we'll go from here? Is that?
Just how crazy was this situation? Again, Jerry Newheidel getting
the job late I think it was late Tuesday. Excuse me.
Here was Jerry Newheidel talking about this whirlwind week after
the game.

Speaker 6 (23:32):
The first thing I want to say is I love
UCLA more than anything, and the kind of kids that
you see that played on that field to day is
exactly why you love a place like this.

Speaker 3 (23:42):
We had two days to.

Speaker 6 (23:44):
Practice the new game plan, and all they did was believe,
and we came out and played as hard as we
could for sixty full minutes. Had to take a safety
at the end because we messed it.

Speaker 7 (23:54):
Up a little bit.

Speaker 6 (23:55):
But like, how can you not love college football when
you have days like this?

Speaker 3 (23:58):
Special special?

Speaker 2 (23:59):
So two days to plan the new game plan. That's
an indictment on Penn State. But let's stick with UCLA one.
The new Heiseel stuff was too was cool to I'd
be remiss as somebody who has been very critical of
Nico Yamaliava, I'll just be honest. If there if any
individual player has played a better game than Nico played

(24:23):
on Saturday, I don't know that I have seen it.
You know, you talk about Jim Knowles, widely regarded as
the best defensive coordinator in college football. He just they
didn't know what to do with Nico and.

Speaker 3 (24:34):
Paid like it too. He's making over three million dollars
well this season at Penn State.

Speaker 2 (24:39):
Apparently Nico's the bargain all of a sudden, because seventeen
of twenty four passing two touchdowns, he also had three
rushing touchdowns one hundred and twenty eight yards. There were
a couple plays where they needed a big play. He
put his shoulder down again. We can acknowledge the way
that he left Tennessee was not only weird, it was

(25:01):
bad for him. It was bad for whatever whatever that happened,
that will always be on his Wikipedia page. What we
also have to acknowledge is that for Saturday, he was
the best player on the field. And to your point,
the dude that's making three million dollars a year to
call defense, to call defenses in college football, had absolutely

(25:23):
no answer for Niko.

Speaker 3 (25:24):
Yam Maliava saw this stat from the Associated Press and yeah,
we dogged out Nico and honestly deservedly so. And so
today you give him his flowers, because this is that
kind of deal where even if he goes on to
do nothing of importance after this, this is that day
he will never forget. This is the day he'll be
able to tell his kids about. This is the day
UCLA likely isn't gonna forget because of everything that kind

(25:48):
of led into it and all of this. But this
stat from the Associated Press is incredible. Players since two
thousand with a hundred with one hundred and twenty five
plus yards rushing and passing, two plus passing touchdowns, three
plus touchdown runs versus a ranked team CAM Newton versus
South Carolina in twenty ten, Johnny Manzel versus Louisiana Tech

(26:11):
in twenty twelve, and Nico Wow versus Penn State. That's it.
That's incredible, that is unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (26:23):
Read that stat again. I just want to make sure
I heard that. I mean, I know the particular.

Speaker 3 (26:27):
Since since the turn of the century, since two one
hundred and twenty five plus yards rushing and passing, two
passing touchdowns, three rushing touchdowns ranked team CAM, Johnny Football,
and Nico that is crazy crazy. I mean it was incredible.
I mean it really was like it wasn't that he
was the best player on the field, he was the

(26:48):
best player in America today. He was like it was
just and it was scintillating to watch, Like it was
captivating once you figured out what was happening in that game.
I bet CBS did some nice ratings. As a second,
I don't know how many people were paying attention to
the first half because there were other games obviously to
pay attention to, and you had arch manning and all
this kind of stuff. Let's just say today was a

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great day if you had some kind of television service
that allowed for a multicast because I was watching four
different games at the time, and like at any given moment,
each of them was worthy. You had Virginia Louisville go
into overtime, even past all of this other stuff, but
watching what Nico was doing, it was just like you
kept waiting to see that bubble burst and it never did,

(27:31):
and it was just like, yeah, see, this is the
dude that a couple of years ago people could not
stop gushing over. And look, Gary Danilston called him Vince
Young multiple times in the second half, and it was deserved, sure,
because of that performance. Like I was about to cringe
and send you a text and say I can't believe it,

(27:53):
and then it was just like, wait a second, he
might actually be right, he might be on to something here.
And that last touchdown Nico, when he ran into the corner,
it did look early similar to that play against USC.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
Credit Nico Iamaliava. Unbelievable game, unbelievable win for UCLA. And
I think again we could separate two things of what
does it mean bigger picture, Well, schedule doesn't get any easier.
Still have Indiana, still have Ohio State, USC whatever you
think is on paper a better team, but for one day,
best story in college football, and Nico, for all the

(28:26):
criticism that he has gotten, he deserves praise. Fox Sports
Radio ertors Jason Martin broadcasting live from the Fox Sports
Radio Studios. We'll come back. We'll talk of the Penn
State side of it, because j mart alluded to it.
We got a lot of James Franklin takes to get
off our chest. But before we do that, let's get
it over the news desk. Steve Seger, what's trending?

Speaker 8 (28:46):
Hello, gentlemen. You mentioned Vince Young's name. I heard that
as well on the telecast, and immediately I thought, you know,
Vince Young has played two of the greatest games of
my adult life on that field.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
Well it was funny because they ran, because I think
it was Nessler said, oh, you know, I think Vince
Young he had a good game here once, right, And
in my head I was like, actually was it was.

Speaker 8 (29:06):
The year before against Michigan as well, when he had
four rushing touchdowns Texas thirty eight thirty seven. The next
year was the National Championship fourth quarter comeback against USC
when on nineteen carries Vince Young had two hundred yard rushing,
including the game winner at the other corner on the right.
But UCLA was a forty two to thirty seven winner

(29:28):
against Penn State. As I was watching this, my immediate
thought was, well, A, of course I can't believe this
is happening. B. I won't see a larger shocker this
entire season in college football. UCLA wasn't just zero to
four people. They were horrendous.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
Well.

Speaker 8 (29:46):
They had never led a second of any game, and
today they never trailed.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
Well, and I think the other thing too. Not only
had they never led, that was the easy part of
the schedule. New Mexico UNLV and Northwestern, which besides UCLA
coming into today is probably the worst team in the
Big Ten, never led a single second. This is when
it was supposed to get hard go ahead.

Speaker 8 (30:08):
Hadn't scored a point in a first quarter, and they
get the first drive, touchdown, recover an onside kick, get
a field goal right after that, built up a lead
by halftime of twenty seven to seven. The final stats
for the winning quarterback Nico Iamalayava on sixteen carries one
hundred and twenty eight yards rushing, three scores plus two
d Tit passes just astounding. What occurred in Pasadena today,

(30:31):
UCLA forty two to thirty seven over A. Well, I
know it's a formerly top ten team. Is it formally
ranked team?

Speaker 2 (30:38):
They should be I don't know if they will be.

Speaker 8 (30:40):
I mean that they're ten one two in conference and
their wins.

Speaker 3 (30:45):
They shouldn't be ranked. Yeah, they should not be ranked.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
Wins are village.

Speaker 3 (30:48):
Shouldn't you do? This is why I hate preseason rankings
because this makes it hard to knock them down and
you shouldn't have had. This is an obstacle you shouldn't
have to overcome. They should not be ranked. Who have
they beaten?

Speaker 8 (30:59):
Yeah'd say the same for Texas at three and two
right now, they were ranked number nine in the country
coming in lost at Florida twenty nine twenty one Gators
defense with six sacs. Number three Miami won at Florida
State tonight twenty eight, twenty two. It was twenty eight
to three early in the fourth quarter. Victories for Ohio
State and Oklahoma, wins for Texas A and M and

(31:19):
number ten Alabama, which beats sixteenth rank Vanderbilt thirty to fourteen.
Texas Tech and Georgia each got wins. Cincinnati at home
defeated number fourteen Iowa State thirty eight thirty wins for
Michigan and Notre Dame wins for Illinois and for number
twenty four Virginia in overtime at Louisville thirty to twenty seven.
Louisville had settled for a short field goal on its

(31:41):
possession in the ot And in case you didn't see,
to start the day, Clemson won at North Carolina thirty
eight to ten, and I feel like saying it wasn't
that close and there were almost literally no North Carolina
fans in the stands by mid third quarter of this game.

Speaker 7 (31:58):
Wow.

Speaker 8 (31:59):
As for college football late night, we do have a
couple of games going Cal at home shockingly trying to
go to five and one on the season, is leading
Duke twenty one to seven. In the mid second quarter,
Duke is driving, and in the second quarter it's Fresno
State over Nevada ten to three. TCU did beat Colorado

(32:19):
on Fox TV tonight thirty five to twenty one, Colorado,
oh to three. In conference, Kansas won at UCF. Also,
it was Washington with three touchdowns in the fourth quarter
winning at Maryland twenty four to twenty. Nebraska beat Michigan State.
Memphis is six and oh after ripping Tulsa Navy's five
and oh. After edging Air Force thirty four to thirty one,

(32:42):
Yukon still undefeated at home after ripping Florida International. Yeah heck,
yeah there fifty one to ten the final. Western Kentucky
won last night, going to three and oh. In Conference
USA edge Delaware twenty seven to twenty four. UMass is
OZHO to five after losing at home today twenty one
to three to Western Michigan Raiders. Tight end Rock Bauers

(33:03):
questionable with a knee injury and trending toward not playing
at Indy tomorrow according to NFL Network, and tight end
Michael Mayer out with a concussion to Major League Baseball.
The late playoff game is going to the eleventh inning
right now. On FS one, Seattle tied two to two
with Detroit. The only scoring for the Tigers a two
run homer in the fifth from Kerrie Carpenter off the

(33:23):
starter George Kirby. Astoundingly, Carpenter has five career hits off
this pitcher Kirby. All five have been home runs. Number
one seed in the AL Toronto beat the Yankees ten
to one. That was a two to one lead in
the seventh. Milwaukee's the number one overall seed. It beat
up the Cubs to start the day nine to three.
Brewers led nine to one in the second inning, but

(33:44):
Milwaukee outfielder Jackson Curio left with hamstring tightness. He went
three for three, three RBIs and an impressive comeback win
for the Dodgers tonight, five to three at Philadelphia in
their opener of a best of five division series. The
win to pitcher show, Hey, O time, you had nine
strikeouts in six innings, three run homer in the seventh
from tai Oscar Hernandez. In the first three games of

(34:07):
this postseason for LA Well, this is a first in
Major League history. First three games of the playoffs, a
player has at least three homers nine RBIs already, that's
ta Oscar Hernandez. Those National League Best of fives are
off tomorrow. Their Game two's are not until Monday.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
Back to you, thank you very much, Steve Sager, Fox
Sports Radio, Fox Sports Saturday Air Tours, Jason Martin broadcasting
live from the Fox Sports Radio studios. We talked about
the UCLA perspective on the win at the Rose Bowl.
But man, oh man, oh man, what does it mean
for Penn State? What does it mean for James Franklin.

(34:43):
We'll discuss that next Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 1 (34:49):
Don't listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
Welcome back, everybody, Fox Sports Radio. Aer tors Jason Martin
broadcasting live from the Fox Sports Radio studios, keeping you
up the late game one of the Divisional round of
the Major League Baseball Playoffs. Detroit to Seattle to top
of the eleventh run around second for Detroit, there are

(35:13):
no outs, so the go ahead run and scoring positions.
Seattle is at home, so they will bat last. We
now have one out after a strikeout to open the inning.
All right, j mart we have to talk about Listen.
There's a reason the term the thrill of victory in
the agony of defeat is a thing, and it's because
it certainly was a thrill for the UCLA Bruins at

(35:33):
the Rose Bowl on Saturday getting the win. But there
is the agony of defeat for Penn State. Last week
we were on air with that wild game down what
were they seventeen to three? I believe rally to force overtime,
whatever I only bring it up because, I mean, this
is just crushing, and I'll be quick because there's so

(35:53):
many variables. But you know, this was a team that
publicly was talking about national championship or bust it going
into the preseason. I bring it up because they're now
three and two, as de Sega just mentioned, zero to
two in the Big Ten, and I'll be real, I
don't really see a pathway for them. I know it's
early to start talking playoff and people get mad, but

(36:15):
they have to play at Ohio State. They have literally
no track record of winning games like that going forward.
If they go nine and three, and that's that's a
big if right now. But even if they go nine
and three, if you lost to Ohio State and you
lost to Oregon and you have a bad loss to UCLA,
you're not getting into the college football playoffs.

Speaker 3 (36:33):
So I know.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
Today is maybe not the day to talk playoff and
maybe just talk James Franklin. But it doesn't feel hyperbolic
to say that their season is basically unofficially over before
it even began.

Speaker 3 (36:44):
Yes, I mean I don't think. I don't think there's
any exaggeration there at all. I think I don't see
a way that they're in the playoff. I just don't.
I don't think they're gonna be Ohio State, first of all.
But even if they did, I just think this law
l right here, there's just no way. I can't. I
don't see the universe. I mean, this is a team

(37:06):
Aaron that did not play a road game until today,
that's a great point, and lost. This is a team
that prior to Oregon played absolutely nobody whatsoever, and so
against Oregon, the offense didn't look great and they lost
that game, but they did fight back at least in

(37:27):
the fourth quarter and showed a few signs of life.
And then they come out and they're down twenty seven
to seven to a really really bad UCLA team. But
excluding just Penn State as the team itself and just
looking at Franklin, Franklin got summarily out coached by an

(37:50):
interim guy with a program with all the wheels had
already fallen off, and an interim play caller doing it
for the first time. He got out coached. I mean,
and it's easy to see, Like you don't even have
to be a football genius to know that when Nico
was going to walk out of the back of the

(38:11):
end zone. At the end of that game, nobody rushed him,
like nobody came after him at all, and they let
eight seconds go off the clock.

Speaker 2 (38:19):
Great call.

Speaker 3 (38:20):
The offense that was run was absolutely terrible prior to that.
And then when they get the ball back erin Aler
throws the ball out of bounds, leaves them one play
and it was an absolutely futurid attempt from there, like
they didn't try hell, Mary didn't try anything they were
gonna try. I don't know what it was, but it
had about a zero point zero zero zero one percent

(38:42):
chance of doing anything positive whatsoever. You're James Franklin. You're
making that kind of money eight something a year. You've
got a defensive coordinator making over three. Your offensive coordinator
this year is making over one. You've got twelve million
dollars in three coaching positions on your sideline, and you've
got interim dudes on the other side that are just

(39:05):
foxing you left and right, beating you down. From a
coaching perspective, you just can't have it happen. And like,
if it's championship or bus this year, And I think
this is a question everybody is gonna ask if they
haven't already. If you can't get it done, now, why

(39:26):
would we ever think you could get it done? Because
it seemed like everything was right where it needed to be.
And then all the excuses that have been made about well,
there's just they don't have the wide receivers that they need. Well,
maybe the wide receiver's transferred because they weren't getting any
better and they weren't sure about the guy throwing them
the football. And the other thing that I think this
is pretty striking about the Penn State program is that

(39:48):
almost nobody gets there and gets better. Like they can
recruit really talented people, but they either regress or they
are what they are. Like it is a very very
very short list of anybody that you see progression from.
And oftentimes when you see people leave that program, they
get better, whether it's Will Levis or whether it'sa Perbulah

(40:10):
like whoever it is, seems like once they get out
of there, they're kind of unleashed in some way. I
don't know what to say about that other than I
don't see how how James Franklin can stay there too
much longer, except that it's a fifty million dollar buyout,
and so unless he walks away and pays two million
dollars at the end of the year. That's a lot

(40:32):
of money to send.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
Him packing really quickly. We do have an update in
the baseball game. Detroit has taken a three to two
lead Zach McKinstry single. The Mariners got out of it otherwise,
but as we go to the bottom of the eleventh,
it is three to two Mariners, three outs away from
losing Game one. Fox Sports Radio, come back more, James Franklin,
WA NFL. Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 1 (40:53):
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Speaker 2 (40:56):
Welcome man, everybody, hour two towards Martin. Fox Sports Radio.
We are broadcasting live from the Fox Sports Radio studios
here at midnight Eastern lot going out of the world
of sports. As de Seger just told you, Game one
of the Divisional series between the Tigers and Mariners is
in the bottom of the eleventh Tigers one out away

(41:19):
from taking a one to zero series lead in this
series opener, and in a whole lot of college football
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Speaking of the baseball postseason, the Detroit Tigers have taken
Game one of the Division Round three to two in
eleven innings. It is the tigers first extra inning win

(42:07):
in the postseason since the twenty twelve series against the
New York Yankees. So Detroit goes into Seattle takes a
one to zero series lead Divisional Round Game one. That
wraps up obviously, what was a busy day across the
world of Major League Baseball where the Tigers have now

(42:27):
taken a game one series win along with the Blue
Jays in the AL and in the NL. Milwaukee and
the Dodgers are up one nothing in their respective series
as well. J Mart, just want to put a bow
real quick on college football. We were talking, by the way,
tomorrow on Sunday, we have two Divisional Round games, both
the AL series. The NL resumes on Monday. So I

(42:50):
do want to ask you, J Mart about just really quickly,
and we want we gotta get some other stuff, a
lot of NFL WNBA, of course, as the WNBA turn
is fascinating, but really quickly. We didn't really get a
chance to put a bow on the Penn State perspective
James Franklin and everything that happened there. And I would
just ask you, I mean, I think I know the answer.

(43:13):
Is there anything they can do? Because James Franklin is
under contract until twenty thirty one. His current buyout is
somewhere in the neighborhood of fifty million dollars, and it's just,
you know, it's one of those deals where, you know,
I was telling I was talking to Monzi kind of
as as the show's kind of you know, as we
kind of passed Steven Monsey in the hallways here, and

(43:35):
you know, I said, it's kind of you know, this
was the the deal you made with James Franklin. Okay,
like you're you might never win the big game, but
at least you never lose the games that you're not
supposed to do well. Losing as a close to twenty
eight point underdog at UCLA, you just can't do it.
And I do think, especially in this year, especially given

(43:58):
those circumstances. I don't know what Penn State does. I
don't have the answer, but it's just it's bad. It's
really bad. And again, as mentioned, if they lose to
Ohio State, I just I don't see a pathway to
them to the college football Playoff and what a disappointment
that would be.

Speaker 3 (44:15):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know what else you're really
supposed to say, fifty million somewhere thereabouts, depending on the
laws in the state and all that, or if he
were to choose to walk away, he pays two million dollars.
And you know, I was reading a piece from Chris
Vanini and some others after the game saying maybe they
need to part ways, maybe that's best for all parties

(44:36):
and all this, like, yeah, well, obviously there are going
to be schools that still want to hire James Franklin.
It's not like he's not a good football coach. I
just don't know that this thing has maybe reached about
its peak and maybe there is a sea wing for
James Franklin. I don't know, Like I've always said, like
I said, I met him coming into our studios in

(44:57):
Nashville back when I was still working on the local
station here, and I just felt like I was talking
to a used car salesman. Sure like he was definitely
a nice enough guy, but I also it was just like, ah, yeah,
I don't know that I really buy this, Like you
pull it off and I can see like how you
can sit in people's living rooms and they buy it.

(45:18):
But it just there was a snake oil feeling to it.
And game day I was just never particularly impressed, like
a Vanderbilt sure like he wanted Vanderbilt in a way
that we hadn't seen until well now with what we're
seeing with Clark Lee and what they've done there, even
though they lost to Bama on Saturday. But James Franklin
going to Penn State, this is kind of what he's

(45:40):
been outside of as you mentioned, and you said it
last week. You know, he doesn't lose the games you're
not supposed to lose. Well, this is the game you
absolutely are not supposed to lose. This is the game
that gets you laughed at by the college football world.
This is the game that has everybody on the Penn
State campus googling how big your buyout is. In the

(46:00):
third quarter, and again they still had an opportunity to
win that game near the end, and whatever was going
on with time management, with game management, with play call,
everything fell completely apart for them. And there was something
else that I happened to notice that I imagine a
lot of people did. James Franklin just kind of stood

(46:21):
on the sidelines, yeph, Like there was not a sense
of urgency. It was very strange, Like just watching it
was odd. It was like he was resigning his team
to their fate. He was resigned to his own fate,
like there was no animation in it. I don't know
what to say about it. Like we talked about this

(46:41):
last year. As a matter of fact, Ryan.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
Day, Yeah, I was thinking that there was a.

Speaker 3 (46:46):
Moment where Ryan Day looked shell shocked yep, like he
didn't like, we didn't even know what I guess it
was a Michigan game, right, Yeah, absolutely it was. Yeah,
So like I sensed the same thing, and maybe it
ends as well for James Franklin as it did for
Ryan Day. This thing is it has Kareem completely off
the tracks. And again, if they don't make the playoff,

(47:07):
I mean, how does he come back? I understand the buyout,
but how much are alumni gonna start paying boosters collectives
all this to try and do something different, because right
now what we're seeing is Penn State's a second tier
Big Ten program. They're right back to that spot where
it's like, yeah, they are right, but when they play

(47:29):
against the big dogs, they're gonna lose. I mean, that's
just kind of the way you feel going into it.
And really until the fourth quarter last week, we saw
that from them against Oregon, and then we saw signs
of life in that game. It's like, Okay, this is
what's different about this Penn State team than the others.
And then what you saw against Ucla, it's like, no,
this is what's different about these Penn State teams this

(47:49):
year than the others, because the Penn State teams of
old would not have done this. We even saw this
with a James Franklin team last year against USC this
year against Ucla, of all teams in football not basketball
in nineteen ninety six, they found a way to lose
this game. And I honestly believe the coaching was absolutely

(48:12):
futrid from Penn State in this game, and I just
I think it was right there on display for everybody
to see it. It was a talking point, and it
was just like, Yeah, I think James Franklin is in
over seat and I think he's reached a ceiling and
I just don't buy into him as a national championship
level coach. And now I think even if you were
more on his side and less willing to be that

(48:34):
pessimistic about it, it's hard to defend what happened on Saturday,
and it's hard to defend Penn State keeping him around
if financially they can find a way out of it.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
Yeah, I'll just say this really quick, to put a
bow on it. He is a guy that in the past,
you know, whenever it was time for a new contract,
would very publicly flirt with other places, and sometimes when
it not even when it was time for a new contract.
I mean, you know, I just vividly remember when the
LSU job, when the USC job opens, So the man
is not above flirting with another job. But I wonder

(49:07):
if if the right opportunity, I'll give you a crazy one,
j mart Right, I was thinking about this while we
were talking. So I remember when the u US I
think the USC job had maybe opened more than once,
and he was linked to it. Oh, he's a great recruiter.
He's got pizzaz, he's this and that. What about Ucla?
What about Ucla? I don't know if it will. I
don't know if it would, but I'm just talking out

(49:30):
loud here. They need somebody that's gonna sell the program.
I mean, I guess he could go back because they
can't fire him, but he don't. I don't know. It
was just it was just something that popped into my head.
It would be very interesting. And by the way, I
think Ucla obviously, if they had a chance to get him,
I think you would have to do it. It was
just a thought that popped into my head though while
you were talking.

Speaker 3 (49:51):
So yeah, I mean I I've seen this in a
couple of different places since that game ended. I don't
know that it's a perfect comparison, but there there is
something to it that James Franklin is the new Mark
rickt Yeah, I think it's totally fair that Georgia, like
Mark Rick, won all the games he was supposed to win,
but he couldn't beat Florida and obviously Alabama and it

(50:15):
was a different time. But after beating Saban the first time,
he really never sniffed doing anything like that again, and
it felt like the rest of the East and even
the rest of the SEC was getting further away from him.
He wasn't. It was in the opposite of the direction
that you wanted to go. And you look at Penn
State and who's like, well, they peaked last year, and
you felt like bringing Aler back and you know, Kate

(50:39):
Tron's back and Singleton's back, and like they've got so
much of this talent back that they can't help but
be right there on the doorstep of the championship again.
And now they're going to be right there on the
doorstep of the Music City Bowl if they're not careful.
And I just don't think that's what Penn State signed
up for.

Speaker 2 (50:56):
Shots fired at the Music City.

Speaker 3 (50:59):
Bawl oh my, No, that's right. I mean that's right
here in Nashville. National Sports Council does a great job
and it's a great event. I'm just saying, like, that's
not what we we weren't looking for. Kid klub Nick
versus Drew Aller and the Alamo Bowl, and we might
be on the on the verge of that right now.

Speaker 2 (51:13):
Well, the good news is they can both opt out
to be third round NFL draft picks.

Speaker 3 (51:17):
That's a good point. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
So all right, I'll tell you what we don't have. Well,
we have plenty of time. We got another hour and
a half. But let's dive in and we can spend
as much or as little time as you want. A
hard pivot from James Franklin INEPT, leader of men, to
how about leader of INEPT, leader of women, Kathy Engelbert. Okay,

(51:39):
so you myself, producer, Ian, we've been texting about this
all week. I find it absolutely fascinating. But we all,
I think everybody knows that what has happened over the
last couple of days. Okay, So the w NBA is
in the middle of a contract or in the middle
of a collective bargaining agreement. Obviously, if they cannot agree,

(52:00):
in theory, there could be a lockout after this season.
Bring it up because by now you've probably heard an
Officia Colliers comments the FESIA callers thehead of the players association.
She basically said that Kathy Engelbert said that players should
be on their knees thanking her for the deal that
they got her, that Caitlyn Clark should be on her
knees thanking her because she should be so should be

(52:21):
grateful she makes sixteen million off the court, because.

Speaker 3 (52:24):
She'd make nothing without her. I think was the quote exactly,
So goodness gracious.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
So there's been a few developments. Let's first get to
what happened on Friday night, Game one of the WNBA Finals,
which is maybe another conversation for another day, but they
did the State of the Union conversation with Kathy Engelbert.
She was asked about in THEFICIA callers comments. Here is
what she had to say. Did you in fact say
that quote players should be on their knees thanking their

(52:51):
lucky stars for the right steal that I got them.

Speaker 9 (52:54):
There's a lot of inaccuracy out there through social media
and all this reporting. Have been in touch with the FISA.
We've exchanged texts, we're talking next week. So I think
there's a lot of emotion and passion going on right
now because we're in collective bargaining, we're in the WNBA Finals,
and so I'll leave it there.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
Well, that's very interesting because that was on Friday night,
in the lead up to Game one of the w
NBA Finals.

Speaker 3 (53:20):
So they're gonna be meeting huh, meeting next week.

Speaker 2 (53:22):
Well, they've been texting and they're gonna meet next week.
Oh wait, no they're not. They're not screeching tires sound
effect because Ramona Shelburne and Kendra Andrews of the of
ESPN Excuse Me reported that quote. Yes, Collier had previously
texted Ingelbert that she was open to meeting next week
to discuss the criticism of the league. Nafisa Collier has

(53:44):
canceled that meeting. They will no longer meet going forward,
and it is based off of Kathy Ingelbert's comments on Friday,
essentially calling Nafisa Collier a liar. Nafeasta Collier through sources,
essentially saying that she can't trust her after calling her
a liar publicly. So jmart as the WNBA turns, But man,

(54:05):
go ahead take it away.

Speaker 3 (54:08):
What is this league? Like? I mean really like they?
I think they played a finals game on Friday night?
Was it Friday? Was it Thursday?

Speaker 2 (54:16):
I can I even jump in on that?

Speaker 3 (54:18):
Really? Yoch?

Speaker 2 (54:18):
Yes, So I was in Vegas for a conference on
Thursday Friday. So Friday, Friday night, conference ends. Go back
to the casino. I'm walking around just looking for a
bite to eat. Nobody's around.

Speaker 7 (54:30):
It's just me.

Speaker 2 (54:31):
We've all been in these situations just looking for something,
sports bar, whatever. But you're I'm sure I know you
don't gamble, but I'm sure you've maybe been to a casino, Jmart,
TV's everywhere, Okay, of course, right, And I bring it
up because w NBA Finals Game one is literally going on,
probably less than a mile from where I was currently sitting.

(54:52):
I think I saw one TV that was that had
that game on. And I only bring that because I
don't even know that I would have known it was
game one if not for social media. So that shows
you how much buzz there's been in these playoffs without
Caitlin Clark, without Angel Reaves, without Page Beckers, whatever. But

(55:15):
it also speaks to what is this league as they
go into their collective bargaining agreement, which, oh, by the way,
doesn't sound like it's going to go very well when
the head of the players union will refuse to meet
with the commissioner going for it.

Speaker 3 (55:28):
Yeah, so I I saw, and I joked with I
joked with you guys in the text chain like a
day ago. I saw piece online at ESPN. Yes, of
course they have a bit of an investment in the WNBA.
I saw this article title. I did not read the

(55:50):
article because I had other things to do. Shoes to
alphabetize whatever it was. There was something I had to do.
The article was entitled the Fifth Tea most Important Players
in the WNBA Finals. When I sent it to you,
I said playoffs because I was like it could Originally
I was going to say finals, and then I was like, no,

(56:11):
it had to be playoffs because there's no way they
would try to pick fifteen players out of the finals.
They didn't even do that with the men. But no,
it was the finals. And my joke to you was,
the fifteen most important players in the finals? Are there
three in the league, But more than that is fifteen
players that are important in the finals would be both

(56:32):
starting fives and players off the bench, multiple on both teams.
What are we even doing here? Title it what you
should title it is. Here are fifteen players you've never
heard of before that you're about to see if you
tune into this game. I know that sounds harsh, but
let's just be honest here and what you've got from

(56:53):
Engelbert Humper Dank or whatever it is, what you've got
from her and what call your said when I saw
what she had said to Collier, and then Collier said
this out loud and said we have the worst leadership
and then said what was quoted my first thought, and
I sent it to you immediately. I was just like,
I see this and this woman should be fired immediately.

(57:15):
Kathy Engelbert should be fired immediately. She clearly is not
doing anything in the best interest to the business and
has no idea what she is doing. And of course
she takes a shot at Caitlin Clark, and Caitlin Clark
would make zero dollars if it wasn't for me, Hun peaches,
she was making big time money at Iowa. She needs you.

(57:37):
She could actually, instead of worrying about NBA two K
twenty six, she could sign a deal with another video
game manufacturer and call it Caitlin Clark Basketball and it
would sell like hotcakes. She's a force. She is your league.
The second most important player in your league is Angel Reees.

(57:58):
And it's not because of Angel Reese. It's because of
her close proximity to Kaitlyn Clark as the joker to
the batman. And then you've got and we talked about this,
you know before the show's probably Page Beckers, and outside
of that, because she's a rookie, and.

Speaker 2 (58:13):
And I would go ahead, now I do no, And
all I was going to say was, you know, I'm
I'm quick to always throw out the Yukon fun facts,
but I think a big part of Paige Becker's broader appeal.
Now I want to be careful here because she was
she is very popular among certain demographics that love women's basketball. Okay, yes,

(58:33):
but what I would also say is she became mainstream
to college seasons ago when Caitlyn Clark was still in college.
Paige Beckers leads Yukon to a Final four coming off
of multiple injuries, and the conversation became, you know, Page
was actually rated ahead of Kaitlyn Clark when she was

(58:54):
fully healthy. Blah blah blah blah blah. And so I think,
as much as I love Page Beckers, as much as
I'm a Yukon, I would acknowledge that a lot of
Paige Becker's national coming out party was still relative to
Caitlin Clark. And oh they were once upon a time
in the same recruiting class in Page Beckers was actually
rated ahead of her.

Speaker 3 (59:14):
So yeah, so I know we did do a break,
so I'll just say this and we can carry it
on it in some in some capacity. But the disdain
with which those impositions of power, just the disdain that
they hold for Caitlin Clark, is so unbelievably counterproductive that

(59:37):
it's almost like they would rather And I said this,
I've said this before, and I said it kind of
and I was just like, it's got to be hyperboly.
I'm not sure it is. I'm not sure they would.
They wouldn't rather fail than succeed because of her, because
they all could have risen with her, and instead they've
become the most unlikable athletes perhaps in the world, because

(01:00:01):
of how they have treated this one woman who did
nothing to them and came into the league and actually
could have helped raise the level of interest in that
league long term. Maybe you could have built some other
stars out of this. But instead you've acted like petulant children,
You've acted like mean girls. You don't like what she

(01:00:21):
stands for, you don't like that she doesn't represent the
right classifications for you, and so as a result, you've
beaten her physically on the floor and you've continually taken
shots at her off the floor, and now you've got
the commissioner of the league saying she should thank her
lucky Stars for the deal that she got because that's
the only way she's making money. She could walk away

(01:00:43):
from basketball right now and make tens of millions of
dollars in this country. And I kind of wish she would.
I wish she didn't like basketball so much, because the
second that she walks away, this league ceases to exist
and we'd all be better off.

Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
Well, I just wish she just wasn't so loyal to
bunch of people that don't care about her actively maybe
don't let not maybe they do not like her. I'll
tell you what, Jamart, you're fired up. I'm fired up.
Let's come back, continue this conversation. I'll tell you a
funny story that I heard over the course of the
last couple of days. Like I said, traveling doing a
work thing. We'll just keep this conversation going about the WNBA,
and oh, by the way, we got to get to

(01:01:19):
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(01:01:43):
to discuss. Ertors Jason Martin.

Speaker 3 (01:01:44):
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now in the world of sports. My man, take it away.

Speaker 8 (01:02:26):
We'll get to college football in a second. Have to
mention that former quarterback Mark Sanchez was arrested at a
hospital after stab wounds on three misdemeanor charges, including public intoxication.
Sanchez was in Indianapolis to work the Colt game tomorrow
for Fox TV. He will not I have read it
will be Chris Myers and Brady Quinn.

Speaker 5 (01:02:45):
Now.

Speaker 8 (01:02:45):
There was an incident downtown after midnight early this morning.
Raiders tight end Brock Bauers is questionable for that game
with a knee injury, and it's trending toward not playing
at India according to NFL Network, and tight end Michael
Mayer is out with a concussion. The Titans act debated
running back Tija Spears after a high ankle sprain in preseason.
The Saints activated tight ends Taysom Hill and Foster Moreau.

(01:03:08):
The Jets waived Isaiah Williams after mistakes on special teams,
and Braylan Allen is out at least two months for
him with a knee injury. Ravens quarterback Lamar Jackson is
out tomorrow hamstring injury, so Cooper Rush will make his
first start for Baltimore, which is one in three, and
Washington quarterback Jaden Daniels return Sunday. At the Chargers after
the sprain knee, he practiced fully all week. Wide receiver

(01:03:29):
Terry McLaurin is out with a quad injury. In late
night college football, Duke has come back to lead at
halftime at Cal thirty one twenty one. Here, California had
scored touchdowns on its first three drives of a game
for the first time ever under coach Justin Wilcox. They
had almost one hundred and seventy yards passing in the
first quarter and a half, and Cal at four and

(01:03:50):
one is not leading at the break down at home
thirty one to twenty one to Duke. The other late
game is not with Hawaii. Whai is off this weekend,
but for most of the rest of the season, Hawaii
would be the late game. Tonight at Fresno State early
third quarter, Bulldogs lead Nevada twenty to three. Also in
college football, UNLV's five and oh after winning in the

(01:04:11):
snow at Wyoming thirty one seventeen. Oregon State now oho
to six after losing at Appstate twenty seven twenty three.
Miami held on at Florida State twenty eight to twenty two.
UCLA with the Monsters upset of number seven Penn State
forty two thirty seven, Florida at home beat ninth rank
Texas twenty nine, twenty one wins for Alabama, Georgia, and

(01:04:33):
Cincinnati at home beat fourteenth rank to Iowa State thirty
eight to thirty. The late night ballgame, a division series
opener in the best of five, went to Detroit in
eleven innings, three to two. At Seattle, top seeded Toronto
pulled away for a ten to one win over the Yankees.
The Dodgers had an impressive comeback down three to nothing
at Philadelphia going to the sixth LA took at five

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to three, and also in a best of five opener,
the top overall seed, the Milwaukee Brewers led the Cubs
nine to one in the second inning, nine to three.
The final WNBA Finals Game two is Sunday afternoon. Las
Vegas took Friday night's opener against Phoenix, and there was
another NBA preseason game in Abu Dhabi today again. The

(01:05:15):
next beat Philadelphia Jalen Brunson fourteen points in seventeen minutes.
New Orleans is playing in Melbourne again and in Puerto Rico,
Orlando defeated Miami back to you.

Speaker 2 (01:05:25):
Thank you very much Steve Seger has mentioned to Sega
will be back in just a few moments with his
extended update. Plenty more to react to Fox Sports Radio
er Towards Jason Martin, broadcasting live from the Fox Sports
Radio studios. So listen, we got plenty of NFL a
hour three. We got plenty of college football as well, Jamart,
I think we had just got to continue this conversation

(01:05:45):
with a WNBA. I mean, it's fascinating and I don't
know if everyone can hear all of the promos that
run during the commercial break, Jamar, did you hear what
the two pros guys said? Yes, they basically said exactly.
They did the same segment that we just did. And
for people who missed it, what we were talking about
before the break is the state of the WNBA. The

(01:06:08):
WNBA Players Association is now refusing to meet with Kathy Engelbert,
the GM, I thought, Brady, Jonas and LeVar, what did
I say, GM? I don't know why, I said, Jim,
she's a commissioner for now. We'll see how long that lasts.
But Jonah said what I said, which is listen, I

(01:06:29):
just don't like any of these people, like what you
were saying before the break is they had this window.
All that I realized by consuming more WNBA is how
unlikable basically everybody else is in this league. LeVar basically
said what you said, which is like, I'll give anybody
any dollar amount if you can name players besides Asiah Wilson.

(01:06:50):
And I thought Brady brought up a good point too.
It's not the commissioner's job to be the friends of
the players. It's to do what's best for league and ownership.
So I just bring it circle because it's contentious. I
think there's going to be a lockout. I don't know
that anybody cares, but it is just a wild story
that obviously took a lot of twists. The most recent

(01:07:11):
one from earlier today the commissioner said, or the players
association saying they refuse to meet with the commissioner going forward.

Speaker 3 (01:07:20):
Yeah. So I found it interesting too that you heard
it because I was listening during a break, and sometimes,
of course i'll get up and walk away, but I
was here during this whole one, and I listened to it,
and I was thinking about what Brady was saying, in
particular about you know, nobody in any sport likes their commissioner,
and I agree with that to the point. But it

(01:07:40):
was just kind of the idea that let's say Adam
Silver said to somebody inside the league something disparaging about
Luka or about Nikola Jokic or somebody like that, and
then that person then took it made that public. Yeah,

(01:08:02):
Like there's a massive difference between animosity between the players
and the league itself, the league ownership and all of that,
where they represent the owners more than they do the players,
and especially the players' unions in a negotiating situation. And
what we've seen here, but more than anything else, Engelbert's

(01:08:22):
comments seems so ludicrous, but they are absolutely believable because
of everything else that this league has stood for over
the past couple of years. Like what we have seen,
that's exactly what I would anticipate somebody saying, this is
the thing that you know, you're wrong. They all like
her and all this. It's like, no, no, they really don't.

(01:08:43):
They really cannot stand her, and they can't stop. Whether
it's Kelsey Plumb making her comments. It's just a joke
and yeah, that's probably the wrong time. And I was
like no, no, no, no, Like this continually happens these
backhanded shots, and this one wasn't even backhanded. This one
was just straight up. She should thank the world that

(01:09:06):
I exist. She doesn't mean anything without me. Like the
whole idea of this it's just gross and this league
is just totally unimportant and they behave as if they
have all this equity and that people care all about them.
And then when I see stories that there are cities
that actually want to expand and bring in WNBA teams,

(01:09:27):
I'm like, for what, why this whole thing is about
to go up in complete smoke. It's never actually profited.
I don't want to root against people that are chasing
a dream, but quite frankly, the only reason that they're
professionals is because they tell us they are, because they're
paid like it's in their own league. But they're certainly

(01:09:49):
not earned. Yeah, but they're not earning it from me,
they're not earning it from you, They're not earning it
from the vast majority of the people that are watching
this league. That's why the whole pay what you owe
a shirts were so stupid. It's like, why are you
doing that publicly? Do it behind closed doors in your
negotiations with people that know what's going on, because all
the fans are going to immediately jump to is oh

(01:10:12):
you what exactly?

Speaker 2 (01:10:14):
Oh you what?

Speaker 3 (01:10:15):
And here's the thing. You've got your WNBA Finals going
on right now. Nobody knows who won Game one, nobody
knows when Game two is going to be played. Nobody
has a clue what's going on. Most people couldn't tell
you one of the two teams in the league. The
only thing that anyone is talking about as your championship
is being decided is a dumb comment coming from your

(01:10:36):
commissioner that reeks with just hatred and disdain towards the
only marketable star your league has ever had.

Speaker 2 (01:10:46):
Well And the thing that I found kind of funny
too this week, you know, because the the Collier initial
comments about Engelbert basically you know again, they should be
thinking on their knees taking me Kitton Clark, Oh my god,
thank god she makes sixteen million cause whatever. It's like,
the thing that stood out to me is like, all

(01:11:07):
of a sudden, that gave everybody the window to bash
Kathy Ingelbert, And it's like, uh, where have you been? Like, like,
you know, and I think this is an issue with
the media, and I one thing I'm proud of of
this show is we have real conversations. We hold people accountable,
We whatever, and you know whatever, if people agree, disagree, whatever,

(01:11:30):
But we're not just gonna sit here and either ignore
big stories or whatever. And I bring it up because
I look at Kathy Engelbert and I was thinking this
the other day, Like I saw Scott Van Pelt do
some big rant and like, good for Scott Van PELTI's
great at what we do. I'm not here to like
try to rip down SVP. He's one of the best
in our business. But it's like, dude, where have you
been the last two years? She's clearly incompetent and if

(01:11:53):
you needed until this moment in time, like where like
like you have one of the biggest voices in sports,
and I understand your partner.

Speaker 3 (01:12:00):
Whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:12:00):
The point I'm trying to make is like, you know
what I knew Kathy Engelbert was totally incompetent last year
when she had zero idea how to handle the greatest
gift that any professional sport has had since Tiger Woods
got dropped out of the PGA Tour in the late nineties.
Like I go back to and I remember saying this
at the time, is like when when Caitlin was literally

(01:12:23):
getting assaulted, when girls were literally trying to poke her
eye out, and those were things that happened. I said
to myself, I said, I I'm not even mad at
the players. You could argue whatever their competitors or this
they're that I'm mad at the league for like, clearly

(01:12:43):
players are trying to injure this woman. Where is the commissioner?
She's hiding behind whatever she's not and so like that
was the part that kind of annoyed me about this week,
is this notion that we had to wait until this
this this week to acknowledge that this lady doesn't know
what she's doing. And so anyway, that's my only rant
to kind of put a bow on this is just

(01:13:05):
really just awful leadership. But anyone who's been paying attention
for half a second should have known that well before
this week.

Speaker 3 (01:13:14):
Yeah, look, that's one hundred percent right. We know the
name of the commissioner of the WNBA. That's probably not
a good thing because the sport isn't known enough for
us to know. Like the fact that we know that
means that she's probably said something or done something that's
put her in the news, because her league is never

(01:13:34):
in the news unless Caitlin Clark is around. And you
talk about not knowing what to do with the gift
and all this. All she had to do was not
get her killed and find a way to actually maximize
her value, make it look like the league loved the
fact that she was a part of that league. That's
really all the commissioner had to do, even if she

(01:13:54):
was dripping with disdain for her behind the scenes. All
you have to do is not screw it up like
it's a unicorn. It's there, it's going to succeed. Just
make sure the rest of the league knows, hey, let's
not destroy this. This is our chance. This is all
of our chances. Even if you got a grin and Barrett,
this is our chance. And no one stood up for her,

(01:14:17):
No one protected her, no one did anything. And the
first quote that I've ever heard from Engelbert, whose name
I did not know until this week, was one in
which she basically said she's lucky she's even in our
league essentially, and it's just like, no, no, you're lucky
you have a league. Because most people that don't turn

(01:14:39):
a profit for as long as you have ceased to exist.
You are just a stage above spring football in my opinion.
But I'll ask you this.

Speaker 2 (01:14:49):
I saw the ufl as moving a bunch of teams.
I think San Antonio and a few others are on
the move. So keep an eye out for that. Fox
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(01:15:30):
literally every single thing that happened in sports on Saturday. Next,
Fox Sports Radio, Welcome back, everybody, Fox Sports Radio Ertorus,
Jason Martin broadcasting live from the Fox Sports Radio Studios
as we do every Saturday. Now feels like a great well,
I guess It's Sunday in some parts of the country,
but feels like a great time to get over the

(01:15:51):
news desk. We are live here at one forty nine
Eastern Times Sunday morning. You betcha and I want disager
to get everybody caught up on everything they miss.

Speaker 7 (01:16:00):
I'm not sure we have time for everything.

Speaker 8 (01:16:01):
Although I did mention already the NBA stuff and the
other non football baseball stuff. I will say the NHL
regular season starts Tuesday. It's preseason ended tonight, including a
game where Florida won seven nothing against Tampa Bay over
three hundred penalty.

Speaker 7 (01:16:16):
Minutes combined in that one.

Speaker 8 (01:16:17):
And you mentioned the Spring Football League. The UFL did
announce no more Memphis Showboats or San Antonio Brahmas or
Michigan Panthers. They're reorganizing for a third spring season, a
new investor in control. They did have eight teams in
the league this pass spring. But the goal is quote smaller,
more intimate settings, so they want whatever the crowd size

(01:16:40):
is not to be in a sixty thousand seat STAATEU.

Speaker 3 (01:16:43):
YEA well, local high schools might be a thought.

Speaker 8 (01:16:46):
I can recall. At the end of the USFL, I
mean the original one that Steve Young used to play in.
They played the LA Express, not in the LA Coliseum,
but at the end they played at Pierce Junior College
at Woodland Hills.

Speaker 7 (01:17:00):
They did Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:17:00):
Well, I was gonna say, I understand, you know, you
want to hit on certain markets, but having a team
in Detroit playing at Ford Field always always felt like
a little bit of a whiff.

Speaker 8 (01:17:11):
Alamodome is big, even for the San Antonio team.

Speaker 7 (01:17:14):
They had, et cetera, et cetera.

Speaker 8 (01:17:17):
Can I just mention The stat of the night in
college football comes from veteran writer Tim Reynolds of Associated Press.
Because FSU lost at home to Miami tonight. Florida State
in its first one hundred and ten games in the
ACC Conference games, Florida State went one oh one and nine.
Florida State in its last ten ACC games one and nine.

Speaker 7 (01:17:40):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:17:41):
I'll tell you what, I might have a stat that
will one up. You give it to me UCLA. I
just saw this on Twitter. Now the guy wasn't totally correct,
but we talked about James Franklin against top ten teams
last week four and twenty one overall, the only regular
season win dating back to two thousand and whatever was
sixteen against twenty sixteen against the Ohio State Buckeys. I

(01:18:06):
only bring it up because with his win today, UCLA
interim head coach Tim Skipper now has the same number
of top ten regular season Big Ten wins as James Franklin.
That is a fact. Wow, take that for data. Who
is that David Fizdale?

Speaker 8 (01:18:25):
I think yes, it was interim head coach, two new coordinators,
and at the Rose Bowl forty two to thirty seven
Bruins over seven thrank Penn State, and the Bruins this
year in a schedule that let's just say, didn't include
four Penn States. To this point, UCLA was averaging fourteen
points a game. They hadn't led in any game this

(01:18:47):
season until today, and yet today never trailed. They hadn't
scored a single point in a first quarter yet, and
that includes against UNLV, Northwestern et UCLA wins. They were
up twenty seven to seven at the half, got a
first drive touchdown at the Rose Bowl, then recovered an
on sidekick, got another field goal at the end of
the first half, a fifty four yard field goal, and

(01:19:08):
eventually in the final minute, Penn State was stopped on
a fourth and two at the UCLA nine. The Bruins
program had lost against top ten opponents sixteen straight games.
They beat Penn State today quarterback Nico Iamaliova five total touchdowns.
Attendance was thirty nine thousand, about what they've been getting
for this program. Chip Kelly never much cared about the attendance. Rankly,

(01:19:31):
he just wanted to create plays and coach football and
not really do media interviews or anything else. He happily
left for a coordinator's job. You'll recall, Penn State is
now zero to two in Conference number one. Ohio State's
five and oh after ripping Minnesota tonight forty two to three.
Ohio State has allowed only twenty five points total in

(01:19:52):
five games so far. Next Saturday on Fox TV, Ohio
State Illinois at Illinois, ranked twenty second this week, five
and one record now after the win at Purdue forty
three twenty seven. Luke Altmeyer nineteen of twenty two passing
for three hundred and ninety yards and a touchdown. The
align I five for five on field goals. Oklahoma's five

(01:20:12):
and zero after shutting out Kent State forty four nothing.
Next Saturday, Oklahoma against Texas, which is three and two
was ranked in the top ten this week. Lost at
Florida twenty nine twenty one Gators defense with six sacs
DJ Lagway twenty one of twenty eight nearly three hundred
yards passing arch Manning two tds, but two fourth quarter

(01:20:33):
interceptions as well.

Speaker 2 (01:20:34):
Thank you very much, Steve de Saga. By the way,
this Nevada Fresno State game that's on Nevada starting quarterback
Cuba Purty, the brother of Brock Party, had no idea
that was the thing was at Florida State in Nebraska
before Nevada. Fox Sports Radio Air Tours come back with
Jason Martin, Will talks a lot of college football and
a lot of NFL.

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(01:21:18):
we haven't even hit on yet, but also a lot
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Week six is now in the books. You know, we
could start a lot of different places. Let's start the

(01:21:39):
Rose Bowl.

Speaker 3 (01:21:41):
Again.

Speaker 2 (01:21:42):
I said this earlier in the show. We can all
get hyperbolic at times. I don't know that I can
ever remember a scenario quite like Ucla. Penn State to
Seger dropped the stats in the last hour, but UCLA
coming into Saturday was not only one four. They had
never led at any point in any of their first

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four games. They had not scored a single point in
the first quarter of any of their four games. They
go ahead, and none of it matters forty by the way,
by the way, should probably mention as well, not only
with an interim head coach. They fired their OC on Tuesday,

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fired their OC on Tuesday. None of it matters. They
get the win forty two to thirty seven. And there
is obviously the UCLA perspective, but there certainly is a
Penn State perspective as well. I'll let you decide which
one we discussed first here.

Speaker 3 (01:22:44):
Well, Penn State in Texas. As of October the fifth,
neither one of them has won a Power four game
this year. Insane just to throw that out there. I mean,
I think you have to talk about Penn State obviously. Look,
Niko's day was incredible. He's gonna have that moment forever.
It's been a rough last handful of months for him,

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and I feel good for him because I still think
a lot of what happened to him was advice and
leverage from his family that hopefully he's going to never
trust again. But this is this is one of those nights.
This is just something he's gonna remember, he's gonna be
able to talk about for the rest of his life.
And watching it, I mean, it was every bit as
good as he will tell people it is down the road.

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It was. It was special. It truly was that said.
And look, UCLA is a you know, it's a Big
ten school, formerly Pac twelve school. You know, it's not
exactly getting beaten by Southwest Missouri Tech State or something
like that. But this is the game that James Franklin

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can't lose. We know he's going to lose to Ohio State.
He always does. We know he's going to lose to Michigan,
he usually does. We know he's going to lose to
most of those teams that are good on the schedule
because that's what they do. But they don't lose these games.
And this game he lost, and honestly, they were struggling
to make it interesting because for a while there it
looked like UCLA might just run away and hide with

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that lead. And you know, Drew Aller was Drew Aller
was not bad in the game, and he was running hard.
He reminded me a lot of Daniel Jones at Duke
watching that particular game and what he was trying to do.
But the coaching was bad, the scheming was bad, the
game management was bad. And I don't mean by Aller,
I mean just by the coaching on the sideline and

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what they were sending those guys out to do, and
just the lack of awareness in moments in that game.
That's the lasting impression of this. This was a just
a staggering thing to watch coming off of what we
had seen last week, where if it hadn't been for
the fourth quarter, this might have looked a little less surprising.

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Because they didn't look like they belonged on the same
field with Oregon for about three quarters last week, and
then the fourth quarter saw you saw that Penn State
kind of emerge. And then we went right back this
week to a version of Penn State we didn't know
was still there anymore. And the questions they're going to
be asked about James Franklin, but look, it's a fifty
million dollar buyout or thereabouts. If he decides to leave,

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then the clauses he pays two million dollars. I don't
know that he's going to do that. I don't know.
I do know that it's about to get really ugly
in state college. It's not going to get easier for
them on the schedule. Now. You can't look at them
and say that they're going to dominate in all the
games that are to come, because why would you. They

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have not been impressive against anybody of note basically this
year at all. And if James Franklin is unable to
do it this year, I have to imagine most of
the people that spend the money to go to that
stadium or to fund that football team, is the money
about to dry up? Because you are just throwing money
away at this point. If that's the ceiling, If Penn

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State is just supposed to be a nine to three
team every year, fine, but I don't think that's how
they see it, even if that's closer to reality, I
don't think that's how they see it. And I do
think that there are some adjustment problems and some things
that we've seen going back years and years. When it
comes to Franklin and now you have the loss that

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you need, you're creating the paper trail. If you were
trying to find a way to get out of the
James Franklin business, this is the game that you point
back to and say, yeah, this is the one where
we realize this just wasn't working out, brother, and we
have to go in a different direction.

Speaker 2 (01:26:38):
Yeah. So from the Penn State perspective, I think there's
no doubt that it's I think they're actually both very
interesting stories, but obviously Penn State is probably more consequential
at this point. And it's just so fascinating to me
because listen, we've talked about anybody who follows college football knows,
you know, James Franklin a little bit of a spotty

(01:26:59):
Wreckord gets legitimately good teams a bit. Yeah, yeah, but
the tradeoff was always, Hey, he wins the games he's
supposed to, never takes bad losses. And I just think
this opens up a whole new can of worms, and
I think especially this specific season, right, because it's not
only that they themselves were saying all fall long, all
spring long, championship or bust. It's not just that. What

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it's also is that we talked about a little bit
last week, is that it's not just that they were
saying championship or bust. It's that even after the loss
last week, as bad as it was, you can still
sell yourself on well, as long as James Franklin just
does what he does, we're gonna be ten and two.
We can get into the playoff and anything can happen

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from there. Now, you could debate they still would have
to beat good teams in the playoff, but I think
you could absolutely argue that. But the counter to that
is that now with this law. And by the way,
apparently I didn't even see this, but apparently he had
Jim Knowles tell the team that Jim Noles, the defensive
coordinator who was at Ohio State, Hey, I was in
this position last year. We took two losses, still made

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the playoff whatever, And basically the point that I'm trying
to get to is that now it just changes everything
because now you really kind of have to be perfect
from here on out. I know, you know, you don't
want to overreact to things in the twelve team playoff era,
but I think the counter to that is what makes
us think they're a playoff team. Not much, and they
still have to go on the road to Ohio State.

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You lose that game, you're gonna be nine to three
with essentially no good wins and at least one bad
loss on your resume. So it doesn't feel hyperbolic to
say that they are going to miss the playoff and
that it is going to seemingly feel like there are
going to be some kind of consequences for James Franklin.
Maybe he looks for something else. Maybe to your point, Jmart,

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they just stopped funding him and it eventually decays from
within that I don't know. Speaking of decay from within,
we got to acknowledge that there was another train wreck
on Saturday, a little bit east of a little bit
east of the Rose Bowl in Los Angeles, where Penn
State was upset by UCLA Texas, also a top ten team,

(01:29:10):
also upset on the road, also upset by a team
that was basically struggling to beat anybody with a pulse.
Florida beats Texas in that game in the swamp, and
you know, listen, I'll say this, billion Apier, the Florida coach,
said after the game, this is the team that I
was expecting all fall long. They were a top twenty

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team in the preseason. They started one in three. They
get the twenty nine to twenty one win, and I'll
be quick. The story is clearly Arch manning sixteen of
twenty nine passing, two more interceptions. But I will also say,
I don't know if I'm defending Arch here, but the
O line gave up seven sacks, not all of them

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were on the O line, but they also only rushed
for fifty two yards. The defense gave up a total
of close to five hundred yards. DJ Lagway twenty one
of twenty eight passing.

Speaker 3 (01:30:02):
He kind of looked the part. Finally he did.

Speaker 2 (01:30:05):
He did, and but the counter to that is Texas,
which we all thought was and I go we led
the show with this. Jmark but we all thought that
the Arch hype was whatever. Some of us believed in it,
some of us certainly did not, But I think all
of us agreed that he probably doesn't have to be

(01:30:25):
great because of all the talent around him. Well guess what,
Not only is he not great, the O line isn't great,
the defense wasn't great on Saturday, and all of a sudden,
Texas comes out of this game with a lot more answers.
You can obviously focus on Arch if you want, but
I just go back to it was. There wasn't a
spot on the field where I felt like they played
particularly well. A lot of it does fall on the

(01:30:47):
quarterbacks shoulders and arms and legs. But I don't think
he's the only problem with Texas football right now.

Speaker 3 (01:30:54):
No he's not. But he's the most glaring problem because
he's got the biggest spotlight on him. For better or
for worse, whether fair or not. The quarterback is going
to take the brunt of it most of the time,
unless you're putting up fifty points in your defense is
given up sixty, at which point it's going to be different.
You're right, The defense has not been as advertised. The

(01:31:16):
offensive line is flat bad. I don't know that Sarkisian
is doing his best work either. I just I haven't
been impressed with the play calling, haven't been impressed with much.
But it does come down to Arch because this season,
that was what we were talking about the last year
as we watched him on the bench and saw youers
at times, there were definitely, you know, punctures in that Veneer. Well,

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why can't we get Arch in there? Texas. You're trying
to win a championship. You can't worry about feelings. You
got to put Arch in there. Turns out Sarkisian didn't
put Arch in there because Archer wasn't ready. Because Arch
is not ready now, he wasn't ready against Ohio State.
He looked completely not ready. Against Florida, he made two
three throws in the game. You're like, all right, yeah,

(01:32:01):
all right, there's a flash a flash. But here's the thing.
If you're playing major college football, you're probably capable of
a throw or two that are going to be flashy.
I hope, So you just yeah, right, I mean I
would have to think so, you would have to. You
would have to hope. So so I'm not going to
give him credit because there are a couple of balls
that he threw that looked really, really good. I saw

(01:32:23):
I saw a comment uh after the game where it's
just like, you know, I'm an arch fan, but and
this is kind of what my immediate thinking was, what
do you mean you're an archan? Why are you an
arch fan? How can you be one? Yet? Like? What
are you a fan of? Exactly? We don't know enough
about him yet, We're just now starting to get used

(01:32:44):
to it. I'm not saying you need to hate the guy,
not by any stretch the imagination. I kind of want
to see him be good, but he's not. Right now,
he's not. He hasn't been against anybody that has that
has a functional defense and is in any way capable
of matching talent with Texas. This was an SEC road

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game in a hostile environment, and arch Manning looked like
a backup that was thrown into a role that he
was not equipped to handle. And I know that, you know,
we've heard a lot about it, but the game plan
did not change for him. I don't know if the
playbook can be opened up for him. His progressions don't
seem to be to be very good. He doesn't seem

(01:33:25):
to have much pocket presence at all. He is taking
some bad sacks. They're not all on him, but he's
taken some bad sacks. It's just a it's just bad
in Texas, Like Texas, Penn State was a lot of
people's championship game. If I'm not mistaken, it might have
been mine. As a matter of fact, I know it
was Calhurd's.

Speaker 2 (01:33:43):
I saw that.

Speaker 3 (01:33:44):
As a matter of fact. I think I even saw
a comment from him when I was just googling after
the game that said, yeah, I'm thinking my Penn State
Texas National championship game might be in a bit of jeopardy. Yeah,
I'll say. But right now, I think the question is,
if Arch's last name was not Manning, would he still

(01:34:05):
be QB one at Texas next week? I think he
will be, And I don't know that that's even a
fair question to ask, but I do think that he's
gonna get a longer lease, or maybe he already has
because of his last name, because right now he looks
like a subpar SEC quarterback.

Speaker 2 (01:34:23):
There's no doubt. And I, you know, I do find
it very interesting what the future is. I said it
in hour one. I think it's there's at some point
if he's not good enough, you're obviously going to replace him.
But obviously with the last name Manning, with with the

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you know, power is not necessarily the word I'm looking for,
but with the prestige that they have in the football world,
I think you probably give him a longer leash than
most because again, you don't want to be the team
to to Benjaminning really quick. One last thing. We did
one game that we didn't talk about throughout the show,
and I'll be quick on this. It was a Top

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twenty matchup in Tuscaloosa. Alabama wins thirty to fourteen in
that game. I'll say this. You know it's funny. Before
our show, Steve Hartman was filling in for Martin Weiss
with Monty Belanios and Steve as He'll tell you trust
me he will has a Heisman vote and he said

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votes why, I don't even know how how to handicap it.
I said, I think ty Simpson might be the Heisman
favorite right now.

Speaker 3 (01:35:32):
I think I saw he was number two on one
of the betting sites match but yeah, he's got to
be right there.

Speaker 2 (01:35:39):
Yeah, he was twenty three of thirty one two touchdowns today,
three hundred and forty yards passing. He is so impressive.
And I'll say this, I know it's hard to kind
of figure out what the tears are in the SEC,
but Alabama has answered every single question after that Florida
State and again, this is a twelve team playoff here.

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You can lose a game. You can either have a
bad game or you can get better throughout the year.
And I don't think there's any doubt that of teams
from day one to now that have made improvement, I
think Album maybe is the best team in the SEC.
Credit to them for getting a second straight ranked win.
They are now four and one heading into another big
one next week against Missouri.

Speaker 3 (01:36:23):
Well, man, I mean, you could be right if I
had to, if I had to say right now, I'd
probably still go ol miss Texas A and M. And
the second half loikes really good against Mississippi State. I
think you got a potential five to six teams out
of the SEC in a top ten right now. If
you were trying to handicap it, but it's hard, it

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be hard, you'd be hard pressed. I mean, the one
thing is Vanderbilt. This is not the Vanderbilt's gonna go
into Alabama and get b fifty nine to nothing. It's
just not it's a legit football team. But it was
a legit football team that ran into a more legit
football team that at home handled business, and that's what
you're supposed to do in that spot. I think that

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Vanderbilt absolutely wanted that game and came into it confident,
but Alabama was just flat better when they had to be.
And you're right, like Ty Simpson has been as advertised,
if not better. I mean, he didn't get a lot
of the pub going into the season the way a
lot of these guys that now are dude, I mean
Drew Aller, Kaide Klubnick, I mean the list of guys
that we were talking about going into the season, and

(01:37:31):
you have the revenge tour of Carson Beck, and you
have Ty Simpson, and you have a couple of other
names throughout the country. It's kind of amazing how little
it feels like everyone in the know actually knows about
a month or so into the season, because especially this year,
everything that we thought we knew about some of the
best teams in the country, we absolutely did not.

Speaker 2 (01:37:54):
Can't disagree with that, you know, you talk about the
struggles of Penn State, the struggles of Techs, the struggles
of Clemson, the struggles of Kad club Nick, the struggles
of drewler arch Manning. It goes on and on. But
it was another day of college for another great day
of college football. But that said, we got to turn
the page to another great week of the NFL coming up.
Week five is on the way. Couple intriguing matchups, but

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we you know, you know it's a good day of
college football, and you know it's a crazy week in
the WNBA. When it's uh one twenty seven Eastern time.
We've been on air for two hours and twenty seven minutes.
We have not talked a lick of National Football League football.

(01:39:50):
I don't know why I said National Football League football,
but you get the point. I'll tell you what. Mary
give us some music, put us in the mood. Not
a ton of big games to preview, so I kind
of just want to go through, Like we're through four weeks,
you know, not quite a quarter of the season. A
lot of stuff that we weren't expecting go ahead and

(01:40:11):
just get let's just talk ball. The kids say, are
we are ball knowers? We're two ball knowers. Let's talk
some ball. What sticks out to you now through four
weeks of the season.

Speaker 3 (01:40:25):
No, I can go well. I mean there's a few
different things that stick out. I think the most glaring
one right now is just what's going on in Baltimore. Sure,
I mean, Lamar is out on Sunday, They're playing against Houston.
Houston blank Tennessee. Tennessee's the worst team in the league
right now. I don't know what that means. They can

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give Derrick Henry the ball a lot and still be
Houston perhaps on Sunday. But just Baltimore, the comeback for
the Bills, and just the way that this season has
played out, like all the stuff that you kind of
thought about Baltimore, Derek Henry's is not a guy that fumbles.
He's fumbling. Lamar Jackson just didn't seem dialed in at all,

(01:41:07):
even before leaving that game, Like nothing seems quite right there.
Even John Harball seems like the blooms off that roase
with the fan base like this. This was both our
pick as a matter of fact, it was to win
the Super Bowl this year, and right now, they've got
to be careful because I still think they can win
that division because I don't really believe in that division

(01:41:28):
with Burrow out and just I don't know what the
Steelers are, but they can't continue to fall behind because
they're probably not going to be a team we would
think that's going to end up with one of those
other spots. They're probably going to have to win the division.
And that's going to require, you know, being above Pittsburgh
at the end of this and Pittsburgh's already done more

(01:41:49):
so far this season than I expected them to do.
And maybe that's not going to last. Maybe we're all
going to end up right and you know, midway through
the season that's going to fall apart. But I'm not
so sure right now. I have no idea, but Baltimore
just doesn't look right.

Speaker 2 (01:42:04):
So I can't disagree with that. You know, the Casey thing.
You know, Casey just jumped all over him, and yeah,
I mean, you know, we spend not we literally you
and I, but we as an industry. I mean, that
game was broken down seven ways to Sunday and it's
like it was over, you know, two three, possessions in

(01:42:24):
and like you said, I don't have a great answer
because the defense is a mess. Derrick Henry, something's not
quite right. Lamar is obviously not playing. The only silver
lining that I would say is Buffalo might just flat
out be the best team in the league. Kansas City
is coming on strong, and Detroit was a game that
you easily could have won, but you did it. I

(01:42:45):
actually think that's a perfect segue into what I want
to talk about, which is, you know, we all have
these takes in the preseason whatever, and I just bring
it up because I look at this league right now,
and by the way, we all had takes on Green
Bay in this and that. No, by the way, after
Week one we were ready to hand green Bay the

(01:43:05):
super Bowl. You look at the league right now, Mayor
you could keep the music going, by the way. You
look at the league right now, and this is what
I see. I see the Bills are the best team
in the AFC. But all of a sudden, you look
at the Kansas City Chiefs. Kansas City Chiefs just beat Baltimore,
easily could have beaten Philadelphia in Week one or week two.

(01:43:28):
Excuse me, I think they're gonna have to go through
Kansas City again, and then in the NFC Philly and
Detroit appear to be the two best teams. It feels
like twenty twenty four all over again. It's just it's
unbelievable how as much as things change, they appear to
be staying the same. And yes, included in that is
the fact that after a lot of people, including me,

(01:43:50):
were ready to pour dirt on the Chief's grave, all
of a sudden, they're two and two just destroyed Baltimore's
Xavier Worthy looked awesome last week, and I think they're
rocking and rolling heading into the middle of the season.

Speaker 3 (01:44:01):
Yeah, and they haven't gotten everybody back. I mean, they're
still going to get Rice back, and they it definitely
looked different. We could say that that was not what
I was expecting in that game, for them to be
that dominant, even if they wanted you picked them to
win it. I picked Baltimore, but I thought it would
be close one way or the other, and it really
wasn't really not at all, as a matter of fact,

(01:44:24):
So you could be right, this could be exactly the
same thing we were looking at last year. It's just
who's going to be Who's going to fill out that
roster when it comes to these playoff teams, Like, I
don't know exactly how well I feel about Green Bay
right now. I don't know how I feel about any
of the teams in the NFC West right now. Seattle
probably deserves more respect than they're getting. I wasn't sold

(01:44:45):
on the Rams, and now I'm less sold. The forty
nine Ers are hurt all the time. The one thing
they have discovered is that a lot of people, and
we knew this already. I mean Nick Mullens had done
it and other guys had done it. You can run
Kyle Shanahan's system, and Mac Jones went given what he had,
especially considering everything that had gone on that day for
him and everything else. Like just an incredible performance there.

(01:45:07):
But I don't know who else you buy into. The
Chargers still have a tendency to Charger and the Colts
are you know. I just I think that the Bills
right now are head and shoulders to be the best
team in the AFC over Kansas City. But that's gonna
be a completely different game for them. That could be
the Michigan Ohio State Like eventually they got to find

(01:45:28):
a way to win that game if they want to
get to the promised Land. I mean, Josh Allen's playing
the best I've seen a quarterback play in a very
very long time right now, and he's not even having
to do that much. He's just everything he does is
perfect when he does do it. So yeah, I think
that's I think that's definitely one. Here's one. It's local.
It's not gonna be like important to everybody, but I'm

(01:45:49):
gonna say this anyway, the Titans head coach will be
fired within the next four weeks. That's my That's something
I will go ahead and predict right now. When you
are no being when you were known for your offensive
play calling, that's why you got the job because of
what you did in Cincinnati, and you give up the

(01:46:09):
play calling voluntarily last week, just saying it's not working.
I'm gonna go ahead and hand that off. I mean,
good on you, that's humble. But then what are you
doing then, Like, what do you say you do here?
If you give up the play calling and that's the
thing that you did the best in Cincinnati, and then
what you do in the next game against a Houston
team that was struggling to get anything going is get

(01:46:32):
blanked by them, get shut out by them in that game.
The Titan's gonna be looking for a new head coach
within a month. It's not a great division the Colts
and Jaguars. Notwithstanding, the Jags actually are much better. I
think the people thought they were gonna be under a
first year head coach, and the Colts have been a
pleasant surprise to watch as well, even with the loss

(01:46:53):
to the Rams. But yeah, like the betting favorite, I
think in Vegas change to Callahan being the first to
be fired. I don't think it's going to take another
month because I've seen what this ownership does. They do
not wait around. They make rash decisions based on emotions.
It led to AJ Brown being gone. It led to
John Robinson, the general manager, being fired. I see, that's
exactly what's gonna happen with Calai and he will not

(01:47:15):
finish the season.

Speaker 2 (01:47:16):
Yeah, I think when your number one overall pick is
regressing under an offensive head coach, that's not a good sign.
I'll say this, speaking of offensive head coaches, I'm gonna
say something that I never thought I would say. Uh oh, no, no, no,
it's actually a weird backhanded compliment. I don't think Brian

(01:47:38):
Schottenheimer is as bad as I thought it was gonna be.

Speaker 3 (01:47:41):
I knew it was coming. That's why I said, oh,
I actually knew where you were going. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:47:45):
But also I do have to say, man, anyone who
has listened to me in this time slot through the years,
I have never been a Dak guy. And I think
who Dak is? And you know, I'll give our colleague
college coward. He talks about this a lot. The leader
that he is, he always says the right thing. And
I think especially not only is he playing well this year,

(01:48:06):
but the last couple months with all the micah nois
he he is the bedrock in that organization. It's not
the coach that you look to. That's the that's the
guiding light. It's certainly not the owner. I think he
you know, if they have any sort of season, and
we'll see if they do or not, one two and one,
but he is the guy that is holding that ship together.

(01:48:28):
And but I will say in terms of the football stuff,
they look competent on offense. And I gotta get Brian
Brian Shott and I'm her credit again, I'm rambling, I'm
saying whatever, and I'm not saying this is a thirteen
win team. I'm just saying I thought this was like
three and fourteen potentially written all over it. And I
just think they are. They're good on Offenseough, I'll shut up,

(01:48:50):
give it back to you. They're good on offense.

Speaker 3 (01:48:52):
Look, I sent that message to you earlier this week.
I've been pretty critical of Dak two, both of us
have been, and I said, I was, like, I think
I think it's to start questioning whether or not the
Cowboys have failed Dak Prescott, sure, because the game that
he played on Sunday is a game that that that
team is supposed to win, and that defense is absolutely
brutally awful. And Jerry Jones let Michael Parsons escape out

(01:49:15):
that door. You don't even have Ceede Lamb in the game,
and you're throwing the ball to Jay when Tolbert, You're
making it happen. Dak Prescott playing like MVP level football,
Like just he's playing absolutely out of his mind right now.
But you're right, like the Cowboys do not stink because
of what they're doing offensively, and I do think that's impressive.

Speaker 2 (01:49:35):
All Right, I'll tell you what, Ja Mart. We could
go on and on all night. Can't believe we only
got such little NFL content in, But it's because we
had so much darn and good college football and other
stuff from throughout the week.

Speaker 3 (01:49:46):
But talk about the Browns quarterbacks.

Speaker 2 (01:49:49):
Whoa well, we got one segment left and we still
got a lot of ground to cover. Tell you what
you know, who always covers a lot of ground in
a short amount of time. Steve de Sager, what is
trending here at one thirty seven Eastern on a Saturday
into Sunday, and there.

Speaker 8 (01:50:02):
Is an early Sunday game coming out from London in
the NFL at UFC three to twenty. Alex Pereira a
winner tonight, We've got two late night football games in
college football. You reference this early Fresno State has quarterback EJ.
Warner sony Kurt Water going up against Nevada, which had
Chuba Purdy, brother of Brock perty. He went zero for

(01:50:23):
four with two interceptions. Replaced and Nevada is back in
the game. About a minute ago, Fresno State is taking
a knee up twenty to seventeen over the wolf Pack.
It was twenty to three at the half. Mid fourth quarter,
Duke has tacked on another touchdown thirty eight to twenty
one at cal col scored touchdowns on its first three
drives and hasn't scored since. Number one Ohio State forty

(01:50:47):
two to three over Minnesota next Saturday on Fox TV
Ohio State at Illinois the Alina one at Purdue Today.
Number three Miami was ahead at Florida State twenty eight
to three early in the fourth quarter twenty eight twenty
two to the final four touchdown passes for Carson Beck
Oklahoma and Texas A and m with wins. Ucla with
the monstrous upset of number seven Penn State forty two

(01:51:10):
to thirty seven Florida beat number nine Texas twenty nine
twenty one shows you what the preseason polls mean for starters.
I didn't know who the top two teams were in
this year's preseason poll. Apparently it was Texas and Penn State,
and they've each lost two of their first.

Speaker 7 (01:51:25):
Five games already.

Speaker 8 (01:51:27):
According to sport Radar, that had only happened, well, let's
see once since nineteen fifty until this year. Because Texas
and Penn State have each already lost two of their
first five games. Alabama over Vanderbilt thirty to fourteen. Bama
was trailing fourteen to seven just before the half, but
Ty Simpson had three hundred forty yards passing Texas Tech

(01:51:49):
and Georgia each one. Cincinnati at home led fourteenth ranked
Iowa State thirty one seven just before halftime, thirty eight
to thirty the final. Cincinnati is a team thirty four
carries two hundred six yards rushing. Michigan had only one penalty,
no turnovers. One at home against Wisconsin twenty four to ten.
I am old enough to remember when Wisconsin used to
have a beefy offensive line and they could run against anybody.

(01:52:12):
Wisconsin is two and three. Notre Dame trailed at home
against Boise State seven to six late in the first half,
twenty eight to seven. Irish the final as Boise threw
four interceptions and was sacked four times total of twenty
four accepted penalties in that game. Virginia in overtime won
at Louisville thirty to twenty seven. Clemson dominated at North
Carolina thirty eight ten, Washington with three touchdowns in the

(01:52:34):
fourth quarter. One at Maryland twenty four to twenty. Next Saturday,
Oklahoma at Texas, Oregon against Indiana Michigan at USC Raiders,
tight end Brock Bowers is questionable with the knee injury
trending toward not playing at Indya. According to NFL Network
to Major League Baseball for Division series openers, these are
openers of best of fives over the next week. The

(01:52:55):
Dodgers were down three to nothing going to the sixth
and still won at Philadelphia five to three, three run
homer in the seventh from Taoscar Hernandez. The Phillies left
bases loaded in the eighth. Sho hey Otani the winning pitcher,
with nine strikeouts in six innings. For the record, the
series are not over, but whoever wins Game one usually
wins the best of five over seventy percent of the time.

Speaker 7 (01:53:17):
Historically.

Speaker 8 (01:53:18):
The Dodgers had quite the comeback last year at Yankee
Stadium to clinch the World Series. They were down five
nothing there, but in the Dodgers' long playoff history, when
they're down at least three runs in a road playoff game,
they had been one in sixty all time until last
year's come back at Yankee Stadium and tonight at Philadelphia.

(01:53:39):
Milwaukee's the number one overall seed, it led the Cubs
nine to one in the second inning, nine to three.
The final Milwaukee outfielder Jackson Curio left with hamstring tightness.
Toronto led to to one against the Yankees in the seventh,
ten to one. The final Blue Jays hit three solo homers,
two by Alejandro Kirk three hits for Vladimir Guerrero Junior.
He had a first inning homer. The Ronald Blue Jays

(01:54:00):
at home against the Yankees this year are seven to one,
and Yankee reliever Luke Weaver, who is such a discovery
a year ago, has now allowed five runs in counting
this week without getting it out, and his ERA in
September was almost ten. Detroit took the late game in
eleven innings at Seattle three to two. Julio Rodriguez said,
three it's in the lost. Both RBIs for the Mariners

(01:54:22):
and Seattle All Star pitcher Brian who is still out
with pictorial inflammation not on the roster, and the NHL
regular season starts Tuesday. Preseason ended tonight's NBA preseason. The
Knicks beat Philadelphia and Abu Dhabi again. Orlando in Puerto.

Speaker 7 (01:54:37):
Rico beat Miami back to you.

Speaker 2 (01:54:40):
Thank you very much, Steve Seger, Fox Sports Radio, Fox
Sports Saturday aeron tors Jason Martin broadcasting live from the
Fox Sports Radio Studios. One segment left. We got a
piece of audio that you have to hear and one
that you can hear. We'll explain next. Fox Sports Radio.
Welcome back, everybody, Fox Sports Air towards Jason Martin, broadcasting

(01:55:02):
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find today's full show right after we get off air.
All right, j mart A couple other topics. We have
not gotten to one noteworthy result in college football, and
I have a piece of sound that you probably haven't heard,
so I want to get to it. Clemson thirty eight

(01:55:42):
North Carolina ten. Now I want your reaction to the game,
but I want to first play a piece of sound.
This was during the game. They were interviewing students about
the state of UNC football. Ian go ahead, TCU is.

Speaker 4 (01:55:58):
I went to that game and that was that was
one of the saddest feelings I've had in university so far.
And I've failed midterms before, so it's saying sometimes.

Speaker 2 (01:56:08):
I failed midterms and the TCU loss was bad. I
don't know what to make a Clemson considering it was
basically over by the end of the first quarter. I
give you credit, man, because I was a little bit
more optimistic on this than you were. It's a disaster.
It's bad, and frankly, I don't really see the scenario
where it gets a ton better.

Speaker 3 (01:56:30):
Man. No, I don't either, and it's just every bit
of it is bad. And after the game, Belichick saying,
you know, we're gonna stay the course, not gonna make
any big time changes, any of this, all this kind
of stuff. It's gonna be a process. Mich Lombardi sent
that letter out to all the boosters this week, basically

(01:56:52):
throwing all the players under the bus and saying, look,
we knew this is gonna be a process because we
had so many people transfer out and this is what
we god. Like imagine sending that out like while you're
in the middle of the season. Basically saying that the
guys that are on the field aren't good enough, like
you're gonna need to take some ownership for this, like

(01:57:14):
you you're gonna have to do this because you know
you're supposed to be better than this and all this
other kind of stuff. And then you even have the
players saying, you know, we're not here not to win games,
like I saw it, like they're frustrated as well because
they don't agree with the quotes and the way the
thinks that we're not here for a process. I didn't
come here to lose games. I didn't come here to

(01:57:35):
be a part of a rebuild. I came here to
win games. That was one of the quotes from the
players after this, This is getting real bad, real fast.
And when you got you know, Keenan Stadium three quarters
empty by halftime in a game against Clemson and we're
not even halfway through the season. I mean, Carolina has
already moved on like that. The fan base there, the

(01:57:57):
student body there, they've seen enough. It's just there's nothing there.
There's no there there at all, and you just have
to go back and wonder. It's like, man, you know,
when Brady went to Tampa Bay, man, what if Bill
Belichick had just retired right there instead of trying to
prove whatever it was that he's been trying to prove
ever since then, if he had just left then and

(01:58:20):
just said, you know, I think it's probably time for
a new voice. Just like Tom's moving on, I think
I'm gonna move on as well, into the next phase
of my life. Imagine how people would perceive Bill Belichick
today as opposed to what we have seen because he
has stuck around and tried to I don't really know
what the goal was, but whatever it is, he's failed miserably.

Speaker 2 (01:58:44):
Tell you what. We only have just a minute left.
I also want to get to another piece of sound.
Cleveland Browns named Dylan Gabriel the starting quarterback earlier this week.
Here's what Shador Sanders had to say about it. Mary
Mary sound, Oh wait, there is none because Shadoor Sanders

(01:59:04):
J Mart doesn't maybe the mime thing whatever. By the way,
Mary got scared in the back there. She thought she
I did too.

Speaker 3 (01:59:11):
Because I wasn't at first. I was just like, wait
a second, you're not supposed to say that on the Mica.

Speaker 2 (01:59:17):
Mary's the best. Let the record show, you know, who's
not shador I thought it was weird.

Speaker 3 (01:59:22):
It was weird.

Speaker 2 (01:59:23):
I sort of get him saying everything that I say
gets misquoted whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:59:28):
Very weird.

Speaker 2 (01:59:28):
Dylan Gabriel your starter. We only have about a minute left.
You take her wherever you want.

Speaker 3 (01:59:32):
Jmartin, Yes, I'll just say this everything. Let me tell
you what can't get misconstrued. Man, I'm really excited to
see Dylan at helmet this team. I'm gonna support him
as best I can. Man, hope we can get a
victory with him at the helm. Like I mean, you
could say any number of things that can't be misconstrued
like that. Right there is just not a good excuse.
It's not like just there are many things you can

(01:59:54):
say that will sound exactly the way that you want
them to. Only things that are gonna be misconstrued are
the things that are left way too vague. That's the
problem here. The mind thing is basically like saying something
without saying anything.

Speaker 2 (02:00:08):
Great. Call don't have much that he could have said
something to support his teammate without basically being a weirdo.
All right, we gotta get out of here. When I
thank the crew, including Mary Mack, who has been awesome
all night. Let the Record show producer Ian has been awesome.
Steve Disager is always awesome. For my partner Jason Martin,
I'm Aren Torres. Make sure to download the podcast. So
much good conversation, jaymar I love these Saturdays. It's September

(02:00:31):
in October where we we have too much to talk
about in three hours, So make sure to download the
podcast and as importantly, make sure to stay tuned. Bernie
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