October 11, 2025 • 40 mins
In a new episode of Project NIL with Anthony Gargano & William Penn Charter School Director of Athletics Danny DiBerardinis, the guys discuss the top 10 high school programs across the country & how pressure in youth sports could be addressed and handled so it doesn’t get out of control in today’s day and age.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Don't listening to Fox Sports where you good.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Morning, Good morning, good morning. I'm gonna pretend to be
Anthony Gargano for about two and a half minutes or so. Welcoming,
welcoming in the ad. Danny d How are you this morning?
Speaker 3 (00:15):
I'm doing good, Brice, how are you doing today?
Speaker 4 (00:17):
Good?
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Just Jandy? You know, heading into really busy week of
college football and NFL and high school football, I'm sure
you guys have been busy. What's kind of going on
over there in your world?
Speaker 5 (00:30):
Yeah, So it's been a real big shake up. Last
night in the in the we were going to me
and Anthony, You're going to discuss the top ten teams
in the country right now in high school football, and
it's been a lot of parody this year, which is
great to see. There's been a lot of teams in
the top ten facing each other, which is great. You know,
we always say iron sharpens iron, and a lot of
big matchups, and there's been a lot. It's been a
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revolving door of who's going to be the number one
seed in the country when it's all said and done.
So this week's top ten, we still have Saint John
Bosco holding down the number one spot in California.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Really California.
Speaker 5 (01:06):
Yes, California has been holding it down. There's been so
much parody. Perennial top ten team Modern Day actually lost
last night in a thriller, a defensive thriller, seven to
six to Santa Margarita out in California.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
I was just gonna say Ranches Margarita.
Speaker 5 (01:24):
Right, Yes, so number fifteen team in the country took
down the number sixteen in the country. But California currently
has five teams in the top fifteen in.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
The country, which is astonishing.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
So I'm so so, I'm obviously new to this kind
of world, right, So why do you think or if
I'm sure there's like a fact of like why California
is such like a hot spot for athletics, like youth sports,
is there a reason you think or it's just you know,
West Coast is the best coast or what do you
think that is?
Speaker 3 (01:54):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (01:55):
I don't say West Coast is the best coast as
a as an East Coast person. And however, I think,
you know the size of it. I think facilities matter
a lot in in development. I think there's been a
lot of you know, the high school landscape has changed
a lot, so like kids are moving out to California
for these opportunities because these high profile schools, they really
invest resources, elite coaching, time and energy to all these programs,
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which really makes it appealing.
Speaker 6 (02:22):
Right.
Speaker 5 (02:23):
So like out at you know, Modern Day, they have
one of the best receivers in the country, Chris Henry Junior.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
He is from Cincinnati, right.
Speaker 5 (02:30):
He moved out of Ohio after his sophomore season to
go to California for the opportunities, right, And it's kind
of you know, I think his trajectory would have been similar,
but this definitely put him in, you know, a top
five player in the country and you know he's going
to Ohio State and it maximizes his his nil potential,
you know, playing on this big stage.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
And do you think.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Is that all across all sports or does that kind
of just like focus in basketball, Because when I was
in high school, I was looking to go to Modern Day,
not as like as like an athlete at all, just
because you know, it was close to my house and YadA, YadA,
but just thinking about basketball in general, we did have
I did see like some players were moving from like
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the Midwest and specifically to go to modern day and
I think, you know, to eventually go into like a
you know, definitely a higher college program.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Yeah, it's happened over the years.
Speaker 5 (03:25):
More so now like we talk about in this nil era,
because there's so much money involved, right, so you have
to kind of people are trying to leverage themselves and
put themselves on this big stage to really maximize this
dollar amount.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
That they can get when they get to college.
Speaker 5 (03:41):
And like I said, right now, California and the football
scene has five teams in the top fifteen in the country.
That's you know, you can't deny that, right as an
East Coast guy, and you know, I think Pennsylvania football
is really strong.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
California at football is elite.
Speaker 6 (04:00):
Hello, good morning, more good morning. Sorry about that, no worries.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
I know we have some technical issues. So okay, you
guys have fun. I'm gonna go on the corner over here.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Okay, Hey, brit thank you so much. Okay, by Davy, boy,
what's going on? Because how we doing?
Speaker 7 (04:15):
Brother, good buddy, good buddy, trying to get this fucked up?
My little box was acting funny.
Speaker 6 (04:21):
So uh, let's get into it.
Speaker 7 (04:24):
I want you to talk about that when we talk
about California and how this whole thing's gonna work.
Speaker 5 (04:31):
Yeah, so I was telling, you know, Brits, it's been
a robbing door.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
The top ten. It's been great.
Speaker 5 (04:36):
Like me and you talk about all the time iron
sharpens iron, and we've had, you know, a lot of
top ten, top fifteen, top twenty five programs playing each
other this year, which I love to see, right, I
love to see the big dogs facing off. Right, let's see,
let's see who's gonna be the best, and let's see
who's gonna finish on top of the end.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
And there was a huge upset.
Speaker 5 (04:54):
Well I won't call an upset, but modern day the
number six team lost the number fifteen team last night
seven to six, and Adult lost. So now they have
two losses on the season, both coming in the state
of California. So it just shows you the depth that
California currently has and how as it you know, as
high school footballs continue to evolve and change, it's people
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are flocking there. Like I was telling Brie, people move
out there right now. They're they're you know, Chris Henry Jr.
We talked about him last week being the top five
player in the country.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
He's from Ohio, Right, he.
Speaker 5 (05:28):
Moved out there to really try to put his stamp
on who he is and grow his profile and an
nil era.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
It's happening more and more.
Speaker 7 (05:38):
So answer me questions because I know you would schedule this,
but you talked about a lot of a lot of
these programs now playing each other to playing like a
national schedule. So you got a handful of schools, Like,
how many schools do you figure across the country are
playing this national schedule where you know, you have like
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pretty deep travel. I mean, you know, you're you're a
high school and you're getting on planes.
Speaker 5 (06:07):
Yeah, it's it's crazy to think about, but that's kind
of the way it's moving. And a lot of these
schools are investing in their programs. They see that this
is a business. This drives enrollment, right, This drives admissions
for a lot of these big schools because people want
to be a part of big programs.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
I've seen it firsthand. So I would say.
Speaker 5 (06:27):
Probably thirty to forty programs in the country are really
playing a national schedule where they're playing multiple teams across
the country. There probably is more that are playing one
big national game, maybe one hundred that are trying to
line up maybe a national game, maybe even two hundred
that are trying to line up that early season national
schedule to really make sure that they're putting themselves on
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the map, really giving their kids, you know, the platform
to show the off their talents. And you know, really,
at the end of the day, I always believe you
want to be best at the end of season, so
you have to prepare yourself with with really strong competition early.
Speaker 7 (07:05):
Yeah, it is interesting that the wave became like that.
And I'll be honest with you. You know, having and
you dealt with ESPN, and you know some of the
cable networks, especially early that are looking to televise these
games like there is you know, if it's good football,
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Like it was interesting I was watching this year when
there was like a double headter on and you know,
it's it's like good, it's really excellent football. One of
the things is it's all shocking you're watching they look
like college players.
Speaker 5 (07:43):
Yeah, man, I mean these kids are just getting bigger, stronger,
and faster. I mean the size and athleticism. You know,
people love to compare the errors and I think the
biggest thing that changes is you know, I think guys
might have been tougher, but they weren't just athletic, you know,
they might have been a little more great, you.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Know that they kind of had to rely on that.
These kids.
Speaker 5 (08:03):
Athleticism and the size and the speed is on match
today than it's ever been before. And these these guys
look like grown you know, they're grown men out there,
and they're they're huge and and they're they're fierce man
and it's and it's just today it's just the technology
and the science is all changing and developing, and people
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are just really jumping into that and and embracing it
and you're seeing the results.
Speaker 7 (08:32):
Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's pretty wild. So all right,
what else we got in our top ten?
Speaker 5 (08:38):
Yeah, so going through the top ten right now, we
have Saint John Bosco number one and coach Jason you know,
he's he's uh, you know, we've talked about him a
few times over at John Bosco, and we'll be interviewing
him in the coming weeks to really dive in to
understand what it takes, uh and maybe give us some
tips and tricks for parents out there they're looking to,
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you know, excel in football. And you know, he's been,
They've been a perennial top ten team over the last
fifteen twenty years. So really excited to pick his brain
in the coming weeks.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Number two in the country.
Speaker 7 (09:14):
Too, I mean, you're you know, you're talking about an
elite program.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
Oh, they're they're one of I mean when you talk
about high school sports, and you know, like we were
talking about, California has been king recently. But the teams
that always talk about at the top is you know,
Saint John Bosco the modern days, the IMG's you know,
Bishop Gorman's, the Florida teams, Duncanville down in Texas, they're
the perennial top twenty five teams over the last twenty years.
(09:40):
I would say, But yeah, moving on, we have Saint
Francis out of Baltimore. Man, they're they're they're number two
right now. Grayson out of Georgia's number three. I amg
out of Florida's number four team Santennia.
Speaker 7 (09:55):
Speaking of which, real quick, the IMGs or you these academies, yep,
And it's almost like a European thing because in Europe
you see a lot of these academies with soccer right
like where the kids are going to school, but you're
really going to play soccer. And that's kind of what
I amg is how many of those are popping up
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around the country.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
Yeah, I mean we IMG it was one of the
first to do it. They have incredibly strong programs across
all sports, not just football, right, and they they basically
sell themselves as this performance enhancement.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
School, right like they oh yeah, no.
Speaker 7 (10:36):
They're baseball, basketball, I mean, they're every sport.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
They'relf you know, soccers of the world. And there's a
pretty penny behind it. But you can see, i mean
a couple of years ago it sold for over a
billion dollars. So it's a business at the end of
the day. But these academies are growing, you know. But
IMG kind of started it off and saying, hey, this
is the footprint. We're gonna take kids from not only
in the US, but all over the world, and we're
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going to give them the highest level training. We're going
to give them the highest level development. Now it comes
with the Steve Price tag.
Speaker 6 (11:06):
Right.
Speaker 5 (11:08):
I'm sure you know how they break I'm not sure
how they all break it down as far as like
aid base stuff and all that that goes. But it's
a model that's growing because it's shown that there's a
lot of money behind it and there's a way to
make a.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Profit off it.
Speaker 5 (11:21):
Like we've talked a lot about this, youth sports industry
is a ten to twenty billion dollar industry right now.
Speaker 7 (11:27):
Yeah, I got to think that there's going to be
a lot more of those academies popping up.
Speaker 5 (11:34):
Yeah, for sure, I mean it's all I think that's
you know, again, with the success of the IMGs of
the world, they're just going to continue to try to
model that blueprint and grow it from there.
Speaker 6 (11:46):
All right, So.
Speaker 7 (11:49):
Well, for sure of your top ten because then I
really am dying to get into something. I think it's
really important, and one of our listeners actually talked about it.
But let's keep finishing through the top ten.
Speaker 5 (12:00):
Yeah, Sentinel is number five. They beat Modern Day this
year out there oun California. They're six to one Modern
Day going into last night. We had number six on
our nil top project in il top ten, but they
will have to fall after last night, but we'll talk
about that more next week. Number seven is Bishop Gorman
out in Vegas. Number eight we have Sierra Canyon, which
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is more of a basketball power, which is known for
you know, out of California, which is known for Lebron
James's kids went there. They've really grown huge school out
in California. Number nine is Buford out of Georgia, and
number ten is the Matha out of Maryland right now.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
So that's the project in IL top ten that we
have right now.
Speaker 6 (12:40):
I love it. I love it.
Speaker 7 (12:41):
So that's the Matha historically was always a great basketball school.
Speaker 5 (12:47):
Huge that's one of the best leagues if you ask
me that, I think that's the best basketball league.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
In the entire country.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
The DMV they have pretty much perennial, have top five
to you know six, top probably teams in the top
fifty in the country.
Speaker 6 (13:03):
What is it about, Danny?
Speaker 7 (13:05):
What is it about the Catholic schools like the private schools.
Is it just there, it's just easier to navigate if
you're a Catholic school or a private school.
Speaker 5 (13:19):
Yeah, I think you can be more strategic with your resources.
Right when you're a public school, you have to really
focus on you know, there's a you know, you're getting
federal money, you're getting state money, so I think it's
very allocated. So it's difficult for public schools in certain
areas to travel, right, to invest in their facilities or
invest in you know, how they want to go about
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their athletic department.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Where the private schools can be a little bit more creative.
Speaker 5 (13:43):
Right, there's a door that you can open, and there's
you know, different buckets you can fill to different you
know levels to really maximize that student experience.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Right, there's not.
Speaker 5 (13:53):
As much red tape as far as how you can
go about things. I think public schools are different. However,
you'll see the Duncanvilles of the War World were down south.
They're building thirty million dollar stadiums for high school right.
Speaker 7 (14:04):
So well, in Texas, I mean we you know, we
talk about it a lot. I mean obviously the whole
Friday at lights things, but that's the what that seems
to be the one area it's different. And maybe I
would say, like Georgia, you'll see you'll see a lot
in Georgia.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
Too, Georgia, Texas, California.
Speaker 5 (14:21):
The public schools are still have the abilities that they
invest strategically. There are the three states where you see
the public schools really shine. But up and down the
East Coast, I would say the private school sector is
where the higher level of competition is athletically and I
would say overall the country the private school side, is
it probably yeah.
Speaker 7 (14:39):
Because because what look at the top ten? How many
are private schools in our top ten? Because Postco and
matter Day are both private.
Speaker 5 (14:48):
Yeah, there's probably I would say eighty percent or private, Yeah,
you know, seventy eight private.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
And then the public and light in there.
Speaker 6 (14:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (14:59):
And and that's what's that's what's interesting because between IMG
and those academies and then the private schools, I mean,
I guess, I guess you listen, you ran you run
one and you know you come from that world. Are
you allowed to you know? How does it work with
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you know, scholarship and tuition and recruitment.
Speaker 6 (15:24):
How does that all come to play?
Speaker 5 (15:26):
Yeah, it really depends on the school and their mission right,
or their state association right, because a lot of state
associations say no recruiting, no merit money, right. So it
depends on the public school of state association or where
you are. It really varies across the country on other
rules and regulations. Where we are currently in interter act,
there's a lot of aid base money goes out, so
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that's you know, that's a ton of it and there's
also small merit money at all these schools where you
can decide, hey, we want to invest on the merit side,
which is someone who you know, really changes the program
or really changes you know, the outlook of a school
to really help them, you know, grow the school, or
you know, deserving.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
There could be a deserving case.
Speaker 5 (16:04):
So again there's just ways to be a little bit
more strategic with the financial aid and how the merit
money goes.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
But overall, it really depends on where.
Speaker 5 (16:13):
You're located and the leagues of your rule, the rules
of your league in state association.
Speaker 7 (16:19):
Yeah, it's it's so interesting because as NIL grows, you
see them on high school level. So now you know,
at some point when do they start paying kids to
go to high schools?
Speaker 5 (16:32):
Dan, It's already happening, brother, it's already happening. Uh to
what extent, But it's happening. It's slowly creeping in more so,
I've seen it and heard more about it on the
basketball side, not so much the football side. But if
it's happening in basketball, I'm sure it's happening in football.
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But of course these people are getting behind it. There's
big donors that are proud about their school. And NIL
is legal lot of states, even at the high school
level now, so people are getting creative and saying, hey,
we want to win a state championship. Hey, we want
to be a top ten team in the country. All right,
we got to get this kid over here. We need
him to come to our state. We need to take
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care of his family, right, And there's always the perception
that happened a lot before, and my experience it didn't
like backdoor deals in high school with the NIL and
the way it's going is its business and it's legal now.
So it's happening more and more, and I think it's
going to continue to grow in the high school world,
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and that's something drastically changes. But we've seen some strategic
things happen, like the MLB stepping in, like we talked
about a few weeks ago, putting these rules and regulations
to kind of hone in these sports. I think will
continue to maybe you know, put some restraints on this and.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
Maybe make it a little bit more organized.
Speaker 7 (17:52):
All right, Well, coming up, Danny, I'm dying to get
into a subject because I had a listener reach out
to me and wanted us to talk about the idea
and the concept of pressure and how there's way more
pressure on these kids now than there was when I
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know I was playing sports right Like, it's completely it's
completely different. It's bigger, there's more at stake, there's a
high pressure and something happened in the MLB playoffs that
is a great teaching point and I want to I
kind of want to get into it with you and
(18:35):
get your idea and talk about the concept of pressure.
There's never been more pressure on kids than today. This
is Project Nil where we dive into all those subjects
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All right, Dan, there's a couple of things I want
to get to. But I had an email from one
of our listeners. It was from Bill. He was from
Tennessee and Bill was asking about the concept of pressure
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and it is the pressure too much.
Speaker 6 (20:45):
On these kids?
Speaker 7 (20:46):
He's like, listen, I'm he's his son was was a
TENU baseball player, and he said he's a pretty good player.
Speaker 6 (20:55):
And he said, but he takes it to.
Speaker 7 (20:58):
Heart, and he's like he's having a tough time with
him crying and like he feels this enormous amount of
pressure and it sounds and it's Bill made it sound
like he's completely hands off and not fostering the pressure situation.
But I know that, you know, these kids taking the
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heart without crazy parents, Like you have your crazy parents
and you have everything else, but kids taking the heart
and the pressure is really deep. And in fact, something
happened in the MLB playoffs that I want to talk
about because this was interesting. The other night Dodgers in Phillies.
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The game's decided on Ryan Kirkering's error, right, So here
it is. The situation is, you know, it's bases loaded
and there's a like kind of a dribbler back to
the mound. He doesn't feel it cleanly and then he
just panics. Yep, it's he's got plenty of time still
(22:03):
he get the first. In fact, j t Rellamuto is
the catcher is pointing the first base, but he throws home,
throws the ball away and loses the game, and there's
a doctor on Twitter which I saw this, this quote,
and I thought.
Speaker 6 (22:18):
It was pretty pretty. It was beautiful.
Speaker 7 (22:21):
He goes My juke coach, doctor Ismail Gallo said, My
juco coach used to say, there is a time to
coach and a time to have compassion. If you're a
parent or coach in youth sports, you need to bookmark this.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Yeah, that's that's brilliant. It's brilliant.
Speaker 5 (22:40):
Well, first off, as a lifelong Phillies fan, that hurt, right,
it hurts, it hurt. I'm still I'm still we're still
recovering over here. But uh yeah, I think and we can.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
And I was when you were talking about this and
built thanks for reaching out.
Speaker 5 (22:54):
We appreciate you listening. But when we when I first thought,
when you start first started to talking about it, a
couple of things came to mind. It's growing, right, mental
health is something that's growing. And I always think about
why right, And there's a few things that I point
to that has reason why it's grown.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
And the pressure has grown.
Speaker 6 (23:11):
Right.
Speaker 5 (23:13):
First of all, technology, right, everything is at our fingertips,
so kids harp on it longer, right, they're seeing it
more and more right, this social media that people don't
have to deal with thirty years ago, when if you
have a mistake, you're not hearing about it or seeing.
Speaker 6 (23:27):
About it and over again.
Speaker 5 (23:28):
Yeah, you're just on repeat, right, And people are like,
what's different. Well, social media is a huge aspect of
mental health, right, that is it's just it's so glaring
and it's so in your face, right, and you're just
you just seeing it all the time. Then even on
the kids sides, like the technology is great, it helps
us get better, but also.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
You're gonna replay that.
Speaker 5 (23:47):
You're gonna watch your huddle, You're gonna watch your clip
even when you're a young kid, right, You're gonna watch
this film over and over again. It's gonna be dissected.
And it's not only going to be dissected by you,
it's gonna be.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
Dissected by everybody. It's at everyone's fingertips.
Speaker 6 (23:58):
Right.
Speaker 5 (23:59):
So I think that combination really puts a strain on
these kids, and it's there's.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
A lot of pressure. Like we said before, it was
this was you know, it was to get out of
the house. Right now, this is a business and kids
see that, right, People see that you're you're trying out
for all these teams.
Speaker 5 (24:18):
You're there's just pressure more and more. So it's just
building and building, and it's something that you have to
really take seriously. And in my career as an athletic director,
I've been very blessed to have a sports psychologist that.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
I've worked with and I and I bring them everywhere
I've been. This guy Joel Fish, He's worked with the
Philadelphia seventy six ers. Yes, I know, legends, absolutely legend
and I've learned so much from him.
Speaker 5 (24:41):
Uh with my time and when he talks to student athletes,
right and his big things, he always has stressed a
couple points. It's like normalizing the conversation.
Speaker 6 (24:48):
Right.
Speaker 5 (24:49):
You have to acknowledge that there's gonna be setbacks, right,
you have to you have to own that, right. But
also you have to go in with the mindset that
you're not losing or not having a bad game.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
You're you're you're taking away lessons, right, You're going to
be better from it.
Speaker 6 (25:01):
Right.
Speaker 5 (25:02):
And if you if you've really preached that mindset and
we're getting these kids understand that early on that losing
is okay, You're not gonna win all the time, right,
But I always say, adversity bilge character.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Right, you have to go through adversity.
Speaker 5 (25:16):
If you win all the time, you're not going to
be the best version of yourself. So normalizing and having
these conversations early on are really important for parents coaches
at any level. Right, And like you said, that was
a phenomenal quotes, like there's a time to coach and
there's a time to be compassionate.
Speaker 6 (25:32):
Yeah. And Rob Thompson like the moment.
Speaker 7 (25:37):
This happened where there season ended, and I give him
a lot of respect. The moment there season ends, he's
out of the dugout and he's right to him trying
to console him.
Speaker 6 (25:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (25:49):
In fact, Adam Wainwright a great picture, if you remember
from the Cardinals, he tweeted this out he goes. The
end of the Philly Dodgers game yesterday was hard to watch,
obvious because of how it ended. I woke up this
morning still devastated for Orian Kirkering.
Speaker 6 (26:06):
But I'll tell you what I did see.
Speaker 7 (26:08):
In a moment of total disbelief and heartbreak that their
season ended so abruptly, catcher jt Rilomuto consoling Orian Nick
castianis running.
Speaker 6 (26:18):
In from right field to put his arms.
Speaker 7 (26:20):
Around Orion manager Rob Thompson waiting at the top of
the step for his pitcher to hug him and remind
him that he was loved. Sometimes we think so much
about outcomes and performances that we forget that these are
just people with real emotions, and in that moment, Oriyan
(26:40):
had his team loving all over him, because when you
play with someone for one sixty two plus spring training
plus playoffs, you become family. Were they sad day loss,
of course, but their heartbreak for Orion and support for
him was clear and great to witness. In a moment
of defeat and total shock. The Philly showed true class
(27:01):
and support for the young player who made a mistake.
Well done, Phillies, and congrats Dodgers. That was beautiful by
Adam Wainwright. Dann.
Speaker 5 (27:11):
I'm was such a great platform right to come out
and say that, because people might say, well, you know,
why are you saying that, right, or that's not a
popular take, so you know, applause.
Speaker 7 (27:21):
Guys are stepping in money and you know all this stuff,
and obviously you know these are professionals at all. But
ultimately it's a young pitcher who melts down and has
this moment and the part of compassion, and that's one
of the things that with kids. That's why when Bill
(27:42):
wrote that, I wanted to talk about because I see
it as a sports that Danny.
Speaker 6 (27:46):
I see it all over the place.
Speaker 7 (27:48):
Man, I see kids waking out, and you know what happens,
They stopped playing.
Speaker 6 (27:54):
I mean, I'm talking about kids.
Speaker 7 (27:56):
I'm talking about eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve years old
who if there's that sort of pressure and failure that
they they'll quit the game. And that's not it's antathetical though,
what we're trying to do here.
Speaker 5 (28:10):
Yeah, we have to keep the perspective that sports at core, right,
is about development and joy. Right, It's about growing as
a person. Right, That's how I believe. So it's not
about perfection, right. It's not about wins and losses, especially
at that level. Right, It's about making these young men
and women or young boys and girls overall great people
that are going to be successful in society. And I believe,
(28:32):
when done correctly, athletics gives you these characteristics and traits
that are going to make you super successful.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Later in life. So I think people get away from it.
The money.
Speaker 5 (28:41):
It makes people crazy, right, The investment parents are putting pressure.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
I'm paying this.
Speaker 5 (28:45):
For, you know, to treat you to travel war, right,
and we have to keep preaching that at the core
of it, it's about development and fun, you know, and
you have to keep echoing that. But a couple of
things an't that I think would be helpful for our
listeners that I learned from Joel And you know, I
was thinking back when you were talking about it.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
He always said to you know.
Speaker 5 (29:04):
Reflect and reset, right, Like you it's important to reflect,
but then you got to shift your focus like what's next?
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Right, if you have to go in with that mindset.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
And you would always tell our you know, our student
athletes too, to build mental resilient through routine, so like
incorporate like he would tell them to incorporate like five
mental five minute you know, mental training practices right where
you're just you're thinking about and you're analyzing things so
you're ready for it, right, Like you have to normalize
that things aren't going to be perfect all the time.
(29:33):
A lot of people always want to be like no,
when when when when? But we have to we have
to normalize that.
Speaker 7 (29:39):
What are some of those exercises because it's interesting because
all those techniques Like I hear a lot of coaches
talk about visualization, right, Like if you especially in baseball, yep,
you know, you have to envision yourself to see yourself performing,
(29:59):
you know, see yourself. You know, I remember Jordan talking
about this years ago, talking about the art of visualization,
how he would see himself, you know, having success and
making shots.
Speaker 5 (30:13):
Yeah, I mean one of the best, I mean the
best ever do it right, So he is his next level,
but he was mentally at another place.
Speaker 6 (30:21):
Right.
Speaker 5 (30:21):
Physically he had the trip to you know, the attributes,
but mentally he had a whole nother place.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
So what Joel would tell a lot of our.
Speaker 5 (30:28):
Student athletes, he would just say, you know, like let's
do five minutes of focus, Like let's focus on breathing.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
Let's let's kind of again like visualize what you're about
to do. Let's really think about that.
Speaker 5 (30:38):
Let's take time so you're not just running into it, right,
and let's also process that things could go wrong and
how are we going to handle that?
Speaker 6 (30:45):
Right.
Speaker 5 (30:45):
So, just like you practice things, you have to practice
mentally as well, because if it's the first time it's happening,
you could freak out right if you're not if you're
not mentally trying to prepare yourself, those things kind of happen, right,
So it's really important to really take take five minutes
breathe think about scenarios and when things say, hey, things
(31:06):
you want to go bad? How am I going to
respond to? Put that in your brain before it actually happens.
It is important and I never really thought about it.
But again, it's just like it's like anything else.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
We're just practicing. We're working on our brain, we're working
on our body.
Speaker 5 (31:18):
Right, We're giving our self these exercises and this mental
capacity to handle these situations.
Speaker 7 (31:26):
Well, where would to me where this is is this
takes place even before that your level, which is high school,
and it takes place in the much much lower level,
right like, as soon as you have the kids.
Speaker 6 (31:43):
You get choosed through the game.
Speaker 7 (31:45):
And if you look at basketball, baseball, because football is
a little bit older. But you know, once you get
past that, you know what you're at nine, ten, eleven
years old, it starts to get real. There starts to
be a lot of pressure on you. So let's look
at that when they were even younger. We'll take a
quick to you. We'll come right back. Man, this hour
(32:07):
goes by so fast. It's such an interesting world. It
really is. As a dad of two boys, I was
at a high school game last night, I know you
live it. It's it's such a fascinating world, and I
know a lot of people love it. And you got
kids in it, and you're you're driving everywhere, you're you know,
you're a parent, you're uber, your your dad or mom, coach.
Speaker 6 (32:31):
You know you're spending hours with this stuff.
Speaker 7 (32:33):
But it's important so many levels, which is why we
decided to do Project Nil right here on Fox Sports Radio.
Welcome back. It's Project Nil. Anthony Gargatto, Daniel D. Bernadvas
the ad from penn Charter in Pennsylvania, the oldest Quicker School,
(32:54):
the fourth oldest school in the country.
Speaker 5 (32:56):
Correct, oldest Quaker school in the world, Anthony sixteen.
Speaker 6 (33:01):
Sixteen eighty nine. That's wild.
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right after we get off the air. Hey, uh, just
to put a bow on this pressure situation, because I
think where the pressure's greatest. Now, obviously you're get into
high school and you're paying. You talked about nil and
kids in high school getting paid, and obviously college. Like
(33:47):
there was a play in college last weekend and I.
Speaker 6 (33:52):
Saw something on Twitter.
Speaker 7 (33:54):
The kid messed up and he was getting he was
getting crushed and he's like, well he's getting now, so
he's not an amateur. And it's like, we can't wait
to destroy these kids because well, now look he's getting paid.
He's not an amateur. And it's just so ridiculous. It's
(34:16):
you know again, I don't know why we have created
this culture around it where we think it's okay to
just abuse athletes. I tell you, it's just off putting.
But it starts when you're so young. And and listen,
I've raised my boys hard, like you know, you know,
(34:38):
you know how it is like, I'm not I'm not
one of these coddle you know. I want them to
be I want to prepare them for life, right, so
I want them to be a degree. It's tough and
you know, be prepared because life is hard, so they
can't just you know, melt if there's some failure.
Speaker 6 (34:57):
But we take it to the end to sometimes.
Speaker 7 (35:01):
I mean, I see dandy, I see the coaches and
parents that are just ripping into eleven year olds.
Speaker 6 (35:10):
And I think that's over the top.
Speaker 5 (35:12):
It's crazy. And you know, I think you do a
great job. I've seen firsthand with your boys. And you
shoot them straight, right, You don't baby them. You shoot
them straight and you give them but you give them
love like I'll never forget. My dad always said, I've
raised you a one percent fear of ninety nine percent love.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
And I would debate it was more eighty twenty eight.
But uh, you know you need you need straight.
Speaker 5 (35:32):
You need to give them their proper you know love.
But at the same time, you gotta shoot them straight
and you got to tell them some hard truths.
Speaker 6 (35:38):
Right.
Speaker 5 (35:39):
But people are just taking it to the next level.
And like we were kind of touching about before the break,
is you sports, It just it's so competitive right now.
Kids are specializing so early. There's the year round training.
You know, they're facing different type of pressures that it
used to be. Like college kids would only face right
or even high level high school. This just happened at
you ten ant, you know, and social media recruiting, you know,
(36:03):
these commitment that these you know, these programs are asking for.
These kids feel like this is their identity opposed to
figuring it out at such a young age, right where, Yeah,
through all this stuff, we're pushing him into it.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
And as parents and as coaches.
Speaker 5 (36:16):
We got to really sit back and see what this is,
what we're what we're doing to these kids, right, and
what the point of being here is. You know, everyone
thinks it's a meal ticket now because there's some more
money at the at a younger age. And that's that's
where I really think it's it's you know, going astray
and becoming such a big issue.
Speaker 6 (36:34):
I I like, I see it. Man, the's geez.
Speaker 7 (36:37):
It feels like every other week there's some sort of
you know, violence at a at a youth sporting event,
you know, whether it's umpires and coaches. That's the other thing,
the abuse and now kids see this stuff, right, so
it's all part of the same situation right where you
see coaches and parents get into it with umpires and
(37:03):
get into it with yes.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
Yes, and and to talk about.
Speaker 5 (37:08):
Even at the high school level, like because of that,
it's trickling down. There's not as many referees and umps
out there anymore.
Speaker 6 (37:15):
And I see they don't want to do it.
Speaker 5 (37:17):
It's a it's an issue, like they're trying to figure
out ways to recruit these guys and the and the
rarity when you get some good young ones, they're jumping.
They're leaving the youth scene so fast, and they're going
to college because there's a shortage, so there's not this
pipeline that used to pay your you know, you work
your way up, if you show potential, you're out because
(37:39):
there's a shortage right now. And I'm seeing it at
the high school level. I talk to the signers all
the time, and it's like, hey, we don't have the
flexibility for moving games because we don't have the numbers
that we used to have.
Speaker 6 (37:50):
You know, you know what it is, it's really tough.
Speaker 7 (37:53):
I think we hold these these youth uh you know,
a fish shows and referees to this you know this
standard because we watched games and we're still we're so
into it. We almost have transference right like where we're thinking, well,
how did you miss that? Play hobbs right, like you
(38:15):
gotta forget, Like, I mean, these are first of all,
it's it's harder to officiate sometimes kids because you're not
playing the game correctly and you can't legislate the game
to the point where you're gonna the kids aren't going
to learn. I mean, let's face it. You go to
(38:36):
you football game. You believe me, I have and I
coach it. And you can call holding on every play
like you know, I mean.
Speaker 6 (38:45):
You could call you can.
Speaker 7 (38:48):
Call you know, penalties on almost I mean, you know,
blocking the back like they're still running the game. So
like do you really want to legislate, Like do you
want to call letter of the law? Strike zone? So
the game takes four hours and it's all walks. You
want them to learn the game? Yeah, you got coaches
(39:09):
who are like arguing with these people.
Speaker 3 (39:11):
It's crazy.
Speaker 5 (39:11):
And I try to preach the youth coaches whenever they
do ask me for advice, I'm like, guys, you got
to celebrate like growth, Celebrate grit, right, Grit is something
we're losing. Celebrate teamwork. Don't just celebrate the wins. Like
if you celebrate you know, the grit and the teamwork
and growing.
Speaker 3 (39:26):
That's what you have to do.
Speaker 5 (39:27):
Like they ask for advice like how to grow a team.
I'm like, these are things you celebrate. Take take wins
and losses out of it. At this level, let's celebrate
these things. And when and when you do that the
right way, guess what, winning's gonna comment.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
You're gonna last. It's just a product of it.
Speaker 6 (39:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (39:41):
And and by the way, growth is the most important
at that age. Like I tell these coaches all the time,
I'm like, dude, I'm not worried. Yeah, is it fun
to win. Yeah, it's fun to win, I mean honestly,
But the growth of the kids is more important because ultimately,
you know, it matters when you go to the high
scho right, So your youth. You got to keep that
(40:02):
in mind as you're teaching and growing and playing the kids,
like you got to make them understand.
Speaker 3 (40:09):
It for sure.
Speaker 5 (40:10):
So I know we're against it, but guys, we have
a lot of great guests coming up and the programs
will continue to grow. And if you have any topics
or anything questions, please feel free to reach out to.
Speaker 3 (40:19):
Me and Anthony and we would happily.
Speaker 6 (40:20):
You know, what is your Twitter?
Speaker 3 (40:23):
Daniel def Underscore five one five at on Twitter.
Speaker 7 (40:27):
All Right, I'm at Anthony el Gargano.
Speaker 6 (40:29):
Fellas are next.
Don't listening to Fox Sports where you good.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Morning, Good morning, good morning. I'm gonna pretend to be
Anthony Gargano for about two and a half minutes or so. Welcoming,
welcoming in the ad. Danny d How are you this morning?
Speaker 3 (00:15):
I'm doing good, Brice, how are you doing today?
Speaker 4 (00:17):
Good?
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Just Jandy? You know, heading into really busy week of
college football and NFL and high school football, I'm sure
you guys have been busy. What's kind of going on
over there in your world?
Speaker 5 (00:30):
Yeah, So it's been a real big shake up. Last
night in the in the we were going to me
and Anthony, You're going to discuss the top ten teams
in the country right now in high school football, and
it's been a lot of parody this year, which is
great to see. There's been a lot of teams in
the top ten facing each other, which is great. You know,
we always say iron sharpens iron, and a lot of
big matchups, and there's been a lot. It's been a
(00:51):
revolving door of who's going to be the number one
seed in the country when it's all said and done.
So this week's top ten, we still have Saint John
Bosco holding down the number one spot in California.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Really California.
Speaker 5 (01:06):
Yes, California has been holding it down. There's been so
much parody. Perennial top ten team Modern Day actually lost
last night in a thriller, a defensive thriller, seven to
six to Santa Margarita out in California.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
I was just gonna say Ranches Margarita.
Speaker 5 (01:24):
Right, Yes, so number fifteen team in the country took
down the number sixteen in the country. But California currently
has five teams in the top fifteen in.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
The country, which is astonishing.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
So I'm so so, I'm obviously new to this kind
of world, right, So why do you think or if
I'm sure there's like a fact of like why California
is such like a hot spot for athletics, like youth sports,
is there a reason you think or it's just you know,
West Coast is the best coast or what do you
think that is?
Speaker 3 (01:54):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (01:55):
I don't say West Coast is the best coast as
a as an East Coast person. And however, I think,
you know the size of it. I think facilities matter
a lot in in development. I think there's been a
lot of you know, the high school landscape has changed
a lot, so like kids are moving out to California
for these opportunities because these high profile schools, they really
invest resources, elite coaching, time and energy to all these programs,
(02:21):
which really makes it appealing.
Speaker 6 (02:22):
Right.
Speaker 5 (02:23):
So like out at you know, Modern Day, they have
one of the best receivers in the country, Chris Henry Junior.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
He is from Cincinnati, right.
Speaker 5 (02:30):
He moved out of Ohio after his sophomore season to
go to California for the opportunities, right, And it's kind
of you know, I think his trajectory would have been similar,
but this definitely put him in, you know, a top
five player in the country and you know he's going
to Ohio State and it maximizes his his nil potential,
you know, playing on this big stage.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
And do you think.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Is that all across all sports or does that kind
of just like focus in basketball, Because when I was
in high school, I was looking to go to Modern Day,
not as like as like an athlete at all, just
because you know, it was close to my house and YadA, YadA,
but just thinking about basketball in general, we did have
I did see like some players were moving from like
(03:15):
the Midwest and specifically to go to modern day and
I think, you know, to eventually go into like a
you know, definitely a higher college program.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Yeah, it's happened over the years.
Speaker 5 (03:25):
More so now like we talk about in this nil era,
because there's so much money involved, right, so you have
to kind of people are trying to leverage themselves and
put themselves on this big stage to really maximize this
dollar amount.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
That they can get when they get to college.
Speaker 5 (03:41):
And like I said, right now, California and the football
scene has five teams in the top fifteen in the country.
That's you know, you can't deny that, right as an
East Coast guy, and you know, I think Pennsylvania football
is really strong.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
California at football is elite.
Speaker 6 (04:00):
Hello, good morning, more good morning. Sorry about that, no worries.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
I know we have some technical issues. So okay, you
guys have fun. I'm gonna go on the corner over here.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Okay, Hey, brit thank you so much. Okay, by Davy, boy,
what's going on? Because how we doing?
Speaker 7 (04:15):
Brother, good buddy, good buddy, trying to get this fucked up?
My little box was acting funny.
Speaker 6 (04:21):
So uh, let's get into it.
Speaker 7 (04:24):
I want you to talk about that when we talk
about California and how this whole thing's gonna work.
Speaker 5 (04:31):
Yeah, so I was telling, you know, Brits, it's been
a robbing door.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
The top ten. It's been great.
Speaker 5 (04:36):
Like me and you talk about all the time iron
sharpens iron, and we've had, you know, a lot of
top ten, top fifteen, top twenty five programs playing each
other this year, which I love to see, right, I
love to see the big dogs facing off. Right, let's see,
let's see who's gonna be the best, and let's see
who's gonna finish on top of the end.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
And there was a huge upset.
Speaker 5 (04:54):
Well I won't call an upset, but modern day the
number six team lost the number fifteen team last night
seven to six, and Adult lost. So now they have
two losses on the season, both coming in the state
of California. So it just shows you the depth that
California currently has and how as it you know, as
high school footballs continue to evolve and change, it's people
(05:17):
are flocking there. Like I was telling Brie, people move
out there right now. They're they're you know, Chris Henry Jr.
We talked about him last week being the top five
player in the country.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
He's from Ohio, Right, he.
Speaker 5 (05:28):
Moved out there to really try to put his stamp
on who he is and grow his profile and an
nil era.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
It's happening more and more.
Speaker 7 (05:38):
So answer me questions because I know you would schedule this,
but you talked about a lot of a lot of
these programs now playing each other to playing like a
national schedule. So you got a handful of schools, Like,
how many schools do you figure across the country are
playing this national schedule where you know, you have like
(06:01):
pretty deep travel. I mean, you know, you're you're a
high school and you're getting on planes.
Speaker 5 (06:07):
Yeah, it's it's crazy to think about, but that's kind
of the way it's moving. And a lot of these
schools are investing in their programs. They see that this
is a business. This drives enrollment, right, This drives admissions
for a lot of these big schools because people want
to be a part of big programs.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
I've seen it firsthand. So I would say.
Speaker 5 (06:27):
Probably thirty to forty programs in the country are really
playing a national schedule where they're playing multiple teams across
the country. There probably is more that are playing one
big national game, maybe one hundred that are trying to
line up maybe a national game, maybe even two hundred
that are trying to line up that early season national
schedule to really make sure that they're putting themselves on
(06:49):
the map, really giving their kids, you know, the platform
to show the off their talents. And you know, really,
at the end of the day, I always believe you
want to be best at the end of season, so
you have to prepare yourself with with really strong competition early.
Speaker 7 (07:05):
Yeah, it is interesting that the wave became like that.
And I'll be honest with you. You know, having and
you dealt with ESPN, and you know some of the
cable networks, especially early that are looking to televise these
games like there is you know, if it's good football,
(07:26):
Like it was interesting I was watching this year when
there was like a double headter on and you know,
it's it's like good, it's really excellent football. One of
the things is it's all shocking you're watching they look
like college players.
Speaker 5 (07:43):
Yeah, man, I mean these kids are just getting bigger, stronger,
and faster. I mean the size and athleticism. You know,
people love to compare the errors and I think the
biggest thing that changes is you know, I think guys
might have been tougher, but they weren't just athletic, you know,
they might have been a little more great, you.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
Know that they kind of had to rely on that.
These kids.
Speaker 5 (08:03):
Athleticism and the size and the speed is on match
today than it's ever been before. And these these guys
look like grown you know, they're grown men out there,
and they're they're huge and and they're they're fierce man
and it's and it's just today it's just the technology
and the science is all changing and developing, and people
(08:25):
are just really jumping into that and and embracing it
and you're seeing the results.
Speaker 7 (08:32):
Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's pretty wild. So all right,
what else we got in our top ten?
Speaker 5 (08:38):
Yeah, so going through the top ten right now, we
have Saint John Bosco number one and coach Jason you know,
he's he's uh, you know, we've talked about him a
few times over at John Bosco, and we'll be interviewing
him in the coming weeks to really dive in to
understand what it takes, uh and maybe give us some
tips and tricks for parents out there they're looking to,
(09:01):
you know, excel in football. And you know, he's been,
They've been a perennial top ten team over the last
fifteen twenty years. So really excited to pick his brain
in the coming weeks.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Number two in the country.
Speaker 7 (09:14):
Too, I mean, you're you know, you're talking about an
elite program.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
Oh, they're they're one of I mean when you talk
about high school sports, and you know, like we were
talking about, California has been king recently. But the teams
that always talk about at the top is you know,
Saint John Bosco the modern days, the IMG's you know,
Bishop Gorman's, the Florida teams, Duncanville down in Texas, they're
the perennial top twenty five teams over the last twenty years.
(09:40):
I would say, But yeah, moving on, we have Saint
Francis out of Baltimore. Man, they're they're they're number two
right now. Grayson out of Georgia's number three. I amg
out of Florida's number four team Santennia.
Speaker 7 (09:55):
Speaking of which, real quick, the IMGs or you these academies, yep,
And it's almost like a European thing because in Europe
you see a lot of these academies with soccer right
like where the kids are going to school, but you're
really going to play soccer. And that's kind of what
I amg is how many of those are popping up
(10:18):
around the country.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
Yeah, I mean we IMG it was one of the
first to do it. They have incredibly strong programs across
all sports, not just football, right, and they they basically
sell themselves as this performance enhancement.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
School, right like they oh yeah, no.
Speaker 7 (10:36):
They're baseball, basketball, I mean, they're every sport.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
They'relf you know, soccers of the world. And there's a
pretty penny behind it. But you can see, i mean
a couple of years ago it sold for over a
billion dollars. So it's a business at the end of
the day. But these academies are growing, you know. But
IMG kind of started it off and saying, hey, this
is the footprint. We're gonna take kids from not only
in the US, but all over the world, and we're
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going to give them the highest level training. We're going
to give them the highest level development. Now it comes
with the Steve Price tag.
Speaker 6 (11:06):
Right.
Speaker 5 (11:08):
I'm sure you know how they break I'm not sure
how they all break it down as far as like
aid base stuff and all that that goes. But it's
a model that's growing because it's shown that there's a
lot of money behind it and there's a way to
make a.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Profit off it.
Speaker 5 (11:21):
Like we've talked a lot about this, youth sports industry
is a ten to twenty billion dollar industry right now.
Speaker 7 (11:27):
Yeah, I got to think that there's going to be
a lot more of those academies popping up.
Speaker 5 (11:34):
Yeah, for sure, I mean it's all I think that's
you know, again, with the success of the IMGs of
the world, they're just going to continue to try to
model that blueprint and grow it from there.
Speaker 6 (11:46):
All right, So.
Speaker 7 (11:49):
Well, for sure of your top ten because then I
really am dying to get into something. I think it's
really important, and one of our listeners actually talked about it.
But let's keep finishing through the top ten.
Speaker 5 (12:00):
Yeah, Sentinel is number five. They beat Modern Day this
year out there oun California. They're six to one Modern
Day going into last night. We had number six on
our nil top project in il top ten, but they
will have to fall after last night, but we'll talk
about that more next week. Number seven is Bishop Gorman
out in Vegas. Number eight we have Sierra Canyon, which
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is more of a basketball power, which is known for
you know, out of California, which is known for Lebron
James's kids went there. They've really grown huge school out
in California. Number nine is Buford out of Georgia, and
number ten is the Matha out of Maryland right now.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
So that's the project in IL top ten that we
have right now.
Speaker 6 (12:40):
I love it. I love it.
Speaker 7 (12:41):
So that's the Matha historically was always a great basketball school.
Speaker 5 (12:47):
Huge that's one of the best leagues if you ask
me that, I think that's the best basketball league.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
In the entire country.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
The DMV they have pretty much perennial, have top five
to you know six, top probably teams in the top
fifty in the country.
Speaker 6 (13:03):
What is it about, Danny?
Speaker 7 (13:05):
What is it about the Catholic schools like the private schools.
Is it just there, it's just easier to navigate if
you're a Catholic school or a private school.
Speaker 5 (13:19):
Yeah, I think you can be more strategic with your resources.
Right when you're a public school, you have to really
focus on you know, there's a you know, you're getting
federal money, you're getting state money, so I think it's
very allocated. So it's difficult for public schools in certain
areas to travel, right, to invest in their facilities or
invest in you know, how they want to go about
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their athletic department.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Where the private schools can be a little bit more creative.
Speaker 5 (13:43):
Right, there's a door that you can open, and there's
you know, different buckets you can fill to different you
know levels to really maximize that student experience.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Right, there's not.
Speaker 5 (13:53):
As much red tape as far as how you can
go about things. I think public schools are different. However,
you'll see the Duncanvilles of the War World were down south.
They're building thirty million dollar stadiums for high school right.
Speaker 7 (14:04):
So well, in Texas, I mean we you know, we
talk about it a lot. I mean obviously the whole
Friday at lights things, but that's the what that seems
to be the one area it's different. And maybe I
would say, like Georgia, you'll see you'll see a lot
in Georgia.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
Too, Georgia, Texas, California.
Speaker 5 (14:21):
The public schools are still have the abilities that they
invest strategically. There are the three states where you see
the public schools really shine. But up and down the
East Coast, I would say the private school sector is
where the higher level of competition is athletically and I
would say overall the country the private school side, is
it probably yeah.
Speaker 7 (14:39):
Because because what look at the top ten? How many
are private schools in our top ten? Because Postco and
matter Day are both private.
Speaker 5 (14:48):
Yeah, there's probably I would say eighty percent or private, Yeah,
you know, seventy eight private.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
And then the public and light in there.
Speaker 6 (14:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (14:59):
And and that's what's that's what's interesting because between IMG
and those academies and then the private schools, I mean,
I guess, I guess you listen, you ran you run
one and you know you come from that world. Are
you allowed to you know? How does it work with
(15:19):
you know, scholarship and tuition and recruitment.
Speaker 6 (15:24):
How does that all come to play?
Speaker 5 (15:26):
Yeah, it really depends on the school and their mission right,
or their state association right, because a lot of state
associations say no recruiting, no merit money, right. So it
depends on the public school of state association or where
you are. It really varies across the country on other
rules and regulations. Where we are currently in interter act,
there's a lot of aid base money goes out, so
(15:47):
that's you know, that's a ton of it and there's
also small merit money at all these schools where you
can decide, hey, we want to invest on the merit side,
which is someone who you know, really changes the program
or really changes you know, the outlook of a school
to really help them, you know, grow the school, or
you know, deserving.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
There could be a deserving case.
Speaker 5 (16:04):
So again there's just ways to be a little bit
more strategic with the financial aid and how the merit
money goes.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
But overall, it really depends on where.
Speaker 5 (16:13):
You're located and the leagues of your rule, the rules
of your league in state association.
Speaker 7 (16:19):
Yeah, it's it's so interesting because as NIL grows, you
see them on high school level. So now you know,
at some point when do they start paying kids to
go to high schools?
Speaker 5 (16:32):
Dan, It's already happening, brother, it's already happening. Uh to
what extent, But it's happening. It's slowly creeping in more so,
I've seen it and heard more about it on the
basketball side, not so much the football side. But if
it's happening in basketball, I'm sure it's happening in football.
(16:53):
But of course these people are getting behind it. There's
big donors that are proud about their school. And NIL
is legal lot of states, even at the high school
level now, so people are getting creative and saying, hey,
we want to win a state championship. Hey, we want
to be a top ten team in the country. All right,
we got to get this kid over here. We need
him to come to our state. We need to take
(17:13):
care of his family, right, And there's always the perception
that happened a lot before, and my experience it didn't
like backdoor deals in high school with the NIL and
the way it's going is its business and it's legal now.
So it's happening more and more, and I think it's
going to continue to grow in the high school world,
(17:34):
and that's something drastically changes. But we've seen some strategic
things happen, like the MLB stepping in, like we talked
about a few weeks ago, putting these rules and regulations
to kind of hone in these sports. I think will
continue to maybe you know, put some restraints on this and.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
Maybe make it a little bit more organized.
Speaker 7 (17:52):
All right, Well, coming up, Danny, I'm dying to get
into a subject because I had a listener reach out
to me and wanted us to talk about the idea
and the concept of pressure and how there's way more
pressure on these kids now than there was when I
(18:14):
know I was playing sports right Like, it's completely it's
completely different. It's bigger, there's more at stake, there's a
high pressure and something happened in the MLB playoffs that
is a great teaching point and I want to I
kind of want to get into it with you and
(18:35):
get your idea and talk about the concept of pressure.
There's never been more pressure on kids than today. This
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All right, Dan, there's a couple of things I want
to get to. But I had an email from one
of our listeners. It was from Bill. He was from
Tennessee and Bill was asking about the concept of pressure
(20:40):
and it is the pressure too much.
Speaker 6 (20:45):
On these kids?
Speaker 7 (20:46):
He's like, listen, I'm he's his son was was a
TENU baseball player, and he said he's a pretty good player.
Speaker 6 (20:55):
And he said, but he takes it to.
Speaker 7 (20:58):
Heart, and he's like he's having a tough time with
him crying and like he feels this enormous amount of
pressure and it sounds and it's Bill made it sound
like he's completely hands off and not fostering the pressure situation.
But I know that, you know, these kids taking the
(21:20):
heart without crazy parents, Like you have your crazy parents
and you have everything else, but kids taking the heart
and the pressure is really deep. And in fact, something
happened in the MLB playoffs that I want to talk
about because this was interesting. The other night Dodgers in Phillies.
(21:43):
The game's decided on Ryan Kirkering's error, right, So here
it is. The situation is, you know, it's bases loaded
and there's a like kind of a dribbler back to
the mound. He doesn't feel it cleanly and then he
just panics. Yep, it's he's got plenty of time still
(22:03):
he get the first. In fact, j t Rellamuto is
the catcher is pointing the first base, but he throws home,
throws the ball away and loses the game, and there's
a doctor on Twitter which I saw this, this quote,
and I thought.
Speaker 6 (22:18):
It was pretty pretty. It was beautiful.
Speaker 7 (22:21):
He goes My juke coach, doctor Ismail Gallo said, My
juco coach used to say, there is a time to
coach and a time to have compassion. If you're a
parent or coach in youth sports, you need to bookmark this.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
Yeah, that's that's brilliant. It's brilliant.
Speaker 5 (22:40):
Well, first off, as a lifelong Phillies fan, that hurt, right,
it hurts, it hurt. I'm still I'm still we're still
recovering over here. But uh yeah, I think and we can.
Speaker 3 (22:51):
And I was when you were talking about this and
built thanks for reaching out.
Speaker 5 (22:54):
We appreciate you listening. But when we when I first thought,
when you start first started to talking about it, a
couple of things came to mind. It's growing, right, mental
health is something that's growing. And I always think about
why right, And there's a few things that I point
to that has reason why it's grown.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
And the pressure has grown.
Speaker 6 (23:11):
Right.
Speaker 5 (23:13):
First of all, technology, right, everything is at our fingertips,
so kids harp on it longer, right, they're seeing it
more and more right, this social media that people don't
have to deal with thirty years ago, when if you
have a mistake, you're not hearing about it or seeing.
Speaker 6 (23:27):
About it and over again.
Speaker 5 (23:28):
Yeah, you're just on repeat, right, And people are like,
what's different. Well, social media is a huge aspect of
mental health, right, that is it's just it's so glaring
and it's so in your face, right, and you're just
you just seeing it all the time. Then even on
the kids sides, like the technology is great, it helps
us get better, but also.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
You're gonna replay that.
Speaker 5 (23:47):
You're gonna watch your huddle, You're gonna watch your clip
even when you're a young kid, right, You're gonna watch
this film over and over again. It's gonna be dissected.
And it's not only going to be dissected by you,
it's gonna be.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
Dissected by everybody. It's at everyone's fingertips.
Speaker 6 (23:58):
Right.
Speaker 5 (23:59):
So I think that combination really puts a strain on
these kids, and it's there's.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
A lot of pressure. Like we said before, it was
this was you know, it was to get out of
the house. Right now, this is a business and kids
see that, right, People see that you're you're trying out
for all these teams.
Speaker 5 (24:18):
You're there's just pressure more and more. So it's just
building and building, and it's something that you have to
really take seriously. And in my career as an athletic director,
I've been very blessed to have a sports psychologist that.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
I've worked with and I and I bring them everywhere
I've been. This guy Joel Fish, He's worked with the
Philadelphia seventy six ers. Yes, I know, legends, absolutely legend
and I've learned so much from him.
Speaker 5 (24:41):
Uh with my time and when he talks to student athletes,
right and his big things, he always has stressed a
couple points. It's like normalizing the conversation.
Speaker 6 (24:48):
Right.
Speaker 5 (24:49):
You have to acknowledge that there's gonna be setbacks, right,
you have to you have to own that, right. But
also you have to go in with the mindset that
you're not losing or not having a bad game.
Speaker 3 (24:58):
You're you're you're taking away lessons, right, You're going to
be better from it.
Speaker 6 (25:01):
Right.
Speaker 5 (25:02):
And if you if you've really preached that mindset and
we're getting these kids understand that early on that losing
is okay, You're not gonna win all the time, right,
But I always say, adversity bilge character.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Right, you have to go through adversity.
Speaker 5 (25:16):
If you win all the time, you're not going to
be the best version of yourself. So normalizing and having
these conversations early on are really important for parents coaches
at any level. Right, And like you said, that was
a phenomenal quotes, like there's a time to coach and
there's a time to be compassionate.
Speaker 6 (25:32):
Yeah. And Rob Thompson like the moment.
Speaker 7 (25:37):
This happened where there season ended, and I give him
a lot of respect. The moment there season ends, he's
out of the dugout and he's right to him trying
to console him.
Speaker 6 (25:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (25:49):
In fact, Adam Wainwright a great picture, if you remember
from the Cardinals, he tweeted this out he goes. The
end of the Philly Dodgers game yesterday was hard to watch,
obvious because of how it ended. I woke up this
morning still devastated for Orian Kirkering.
Speaker 6 (26:06):
But I'll tell you what I did see.
Speaker 7 (26:08):
In a moment of total disbelief and heartbreak that their
season ended so abruptly, catcher jt Rilomuto consoling Orian Nick
castianis running.
Speaker 6 (26:18):
In from right field to put his arms.
Speaker 7 (26:20):
Around Orion manager Rob Thompson waiting at the top of
the step for his pitcher to hug him and remind
him that he was loved. Sometimes we think so much
about outcomes and performances that we forget that these are
just people with real emotions, and in that moment, Oriyan
(26:40):
had his team loving all over him, because when you
play with someone for one sixty two plus spring training
plus playoffs, you become family. Were they sad day loss,
of course, but their heartbreak for Orion and support for
him was clear and great to witness. In a moment
of defeat and total shock. The Philly showed true class
(27:01):
and support for the young player who made a mistake.
Well done, Phillies, and congrats Dodgers. That was beautiful by
Adam Wainwright. Dann.
Speaker 5 (27:11):
I'm was such a great platform right to come out
and say that, because people might say, well, you know,
why are you saying that, right, or that's not a
popular take, so you know, applause.
Speaker 7 (27:21):
Guys are stepping in money and you know all this stuff,
and obviously you know these are professionals at all. But
ultimately it's a young pitcher who melts down and has
this moment and the part of compassion, and that's one
of the things that with kids. That's why when Bill
(27:42):
wrote that, I wanted to talk about because I see
it as a sports that Danny.
Speaker 6 (27:46):
I see it all over the place.
Speaker 7 (27:48):
Man, I see kids waking out, and you know what happens,
They stopped playing.
Speaker 6 (27:54):
I mean, I'm talking about kids.
Speaker 7 (27:56):
I'm talking about eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve years old
who if there's that sort of pressure and failure that
they they'll quit the game. And that's not it's antathetical though,
what we're trying to do here.
Speaker 5 (28:10):
Yeah, we have to keep the perspective that sports at core, right,
is about development and joy. Right, It's about growing as
a person. Right, That's how I believe. So it's not
about perfection, right. It's not about wins and losses, especially
at that level. Right, It's about making these young men
and women or young boys and girls overall great people
that are going to be successful in society. And I believe,
(28:32):
when done correctly, athletics gives you these characteristics and traits
that are going to make you super successful.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Later in life. So I think people get away from it.
The money.
Speaker 5 (28:41):
It makes people crazy, right, The investment parents are putting pressure.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
I'm paying this.
Speaker 5 (28:45):
For, you know, to treat you to travel war, right,
and we have to keep preaching that at the core
of it, it's about development and fun, you know, and
you have to keep echoing that. But a couple of
things an't that I think would be helpful for our
listeners that I learned from Joel And you know, I
was thinking back when you were talking about it.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
He always said to you know.
Speaker 5 (29:04):
Reflect and reset, right, Like you it's important to reflect,
but then you got to shift your focus like what's next?
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Right, if you have to go in with that mindset.
Speaker 5 (29:11):
And you would always tell our you know, our student
athletes too, to build mental resilient through routine, so like
incorporate like he would tell them to incorporate like five
mental five minute you know, mental training practices right where
you're just you're thinking about and you're analyzing things so
you're ready for it, right, Like you have to normalize
that things aren't going to be perfect all the time.
(29:33):
A lot of people always want to be like no,
when when when when? But we have to we have
to normalize that.
Speaker 7 (29:39):
What are some of those exercises because it's interesting because
all those techniques Like I hear a lot of coaches
talk about visualization, right, Like if you especially in baseball, yep,
you know, you have to envision yourself to see yourself performing,
(29:59):
you know, see yourself. You know, I remember Jordan talking
about this years ago, talking about the art of visualization,
how he would see himself, you know, having success and
making shots.
Speaker 5 (30:13):
Yeah, I mean one of the best, I mean the
best ever do it right, So he is his next level,
but he was mentally at another place.
Speaker 6 (30:21):
Right.
Speaker 5 (30:21):
Physically he had the trip to you know, the attributes,
but mentally he had a whole nother place.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
So what Joel would tell a lot of our.
Speaker 5 (30:28):
Student athletes, he would just say, you know, like let's
do five minutes of focus, Like let's focus on breathing.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
Let's let's kind of again like visualize what you're about
to do. Let's really think about that.
Speaker 5 (30:38):
Let's take time so you're not just running into it, right,
and let's also process that things could go wrong and
how are we going to handle that?
Speaker 6 (30:45):
Right.
Speaker 5 (30:45):
So, just like you practice things, you have to practice
mentally as well, because if it's the first time it's happening,
you could freak out right if you're not if you're
not mentally trying to prepare yourself, those things kind of happen, right,
So it's really important to really take take five minutes
breathe think about scenarios and when things say, hey, things
(31:06):
you want to go bad? How am I going to
respond to? Put that in your brain before it actually happens.
It is important and I never really thought about it.
But again, it's just like it's like anything else.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
We're just practicing. We're working on our brain, we're working
on our body.
Speaker 5 (31:18):
Right, We're giving our self these exercises and this mental
capacity to handle these situations.
Speaker 7 (31:26):
Well, where would to me where this is is this
takes place even before that your level, which is high school,
and it takes place in the much much lower level,
right like, as soon as you have the kids.
Speaker 6 (31:43):
You get choosed through the game.
Speaker 7 (31:45):
And if you look at basketball, baseball, because football is
a little bit older. But you know, once you get
past that, you know what you're at nine, ten, eleven
years old, it starts to get real. There starts to
be a lot of pressure on you. So let's look
at that when they were even younger. We'll take a
quick to you. We'll come right back. Man, this hour
(32:07):
goes by so fast. It's such an interesting world. It
really is. As a dad of two boys, I was
at a high school game last night, I know you
live it. It's it's such a fascinating world, and I
know a lot of people love it. And you got
kids in it, and you're you're driving everywhere, you're you know,
you're a parent, you're uber, your your dad or mom, coach.
Speaker 6 (32:31):
You know you're spending hours with this stuff.
Speaker 7 (32:33):
But it's important so many levels, which is why we
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Welcome back. It's Project Nil. Anthony Gargatto, Daniel D. Bernadvas
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(32:54):
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Correct, oldest Quaker school in the world, Anthony sixteen.
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Sixteen eighty nine. That's wild.
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right after we get off the air. Hey, uh, just
to put a bow on this pressure situation, because I
think where the pressure's greatest. Now, obviously you're get into
high school and you're paying. You talked about nil and
kids in high school getting paid, and obviously college. Like
(33:47):
there was a play in college last weekend and I.
Speaker 6 (33:52):
Saw something on Twitter.
Speaker 7 (33:54):
The kid messed up and he was getting he was
getting crushed and he's like, well he's getting now, so
he's not an amateur. And it's like, we can't wait
to destroy these kids because well, now look he's getting paid.
He's not an amateur. And it's just so ridiculous. It's
(34:16):
you know again, I don't know why we have created
this culture around it where we think it's okay to
just abuse athletes. I tell you, it's just off putting.
But it starts when you're so young. And and listen,
I've raised my boys hard, like you know, you know,
(34:38):
you know how it is like, I'm not I'm not
one of these coddle you know. I want them to
be I want to prepare them for life, right, so
I want them to be a degree. It's tough and
you know, be prepared because life is hard, so they
can't just you know, melt if there's some failure.
Speaker 6 (34:57):
But we take it to the end to sometimes.
Speaker 7 (35:01):
I mean, I see dandy, I see the coaches and
parents that are just ripping into eleven year olds.
Speaker 6 (35:10):
And I think that's over the top.
Speaker 5 (35:12):
It's crazy. And you know, I think you do a
great job. I've seen firsthand with your boys. And you
shoot them straight, right, You don't baby them. You shoot
them straight and you give them but you give them
love like I'll never forget. My dad always said, I've
raised you a one percent fear of ninety nine percent love.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
And I would debate it was more eighty twenty eight.
But uh, you know you need you need straight.
Speaker 5 (35:32):
You need to give them their proper you know love.
But at the same time, you gotta shoot them straight
and you got to tell them some hard truths.
Speaker 6 (35:38):
Right.
Speaker 5 (35:39):
But people are just taking it to the next level.
And like we were kind of touching about before the break,
is you sports, It just it's so competitive right now.
Kids are specializing so early. There's the year round training.
You know, they're facing different type of pressures that it
used to be. Like college kids would only face right
or even high level high school. This just happened at
you ten ant, you know, and social media recruiting, you know,
(36:03):
these commitment that these you know, these programs are asking for.
These kids feel like this is their identity opposed to
figuring it out at such a young age, right where, Yeah,
through all this stuff, we're pushing him into it.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
And as parents and as coaches.
Speaker 5 (36:16):
We got to really sit back and see what this is,
what we're what we're doing to these kids, right, and
what the point of being here is. You know, everyone
thinks it's a meal ticket now because there's some more
money at the at a younger age. And that's that's
where I really think it's it's you know, going astray
and becoming such a big issue.
Speaker 6 (36:34):
I I like, I see it. Man, the's geez.
Speaker 7 (36:37):
It feels like every other week there's some sort of
you know, violence at a at a youth sporting event,
you know, whether it's umpires and coaches. That's the other thing,
the abuse and now kids see this stuff, right, so
it's all part of the same situation right where you
see coaches and parents get into it with umpires and
(37:03):
get into it with yes.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
Yes, and and to talk about.
Speaker 5 (37:08):
Even at the high school level, like because of that,
it's trickling down. There's not as many referees and umps
out there anymore.
Speaker 6 (37:15):
And I see they don't want to do it.
Speaker 5 (37:17):
It's a it's an issue, like they're trying to figure
out ways to recruit these guys and the and the
rarity when you get some good young ones, they're jumping.
They're leaving the youth scene so fast, and they're going
to college because there's a shortage, so there's not this
pipeline that used to pay your you know, you work
your way up, if you show potential, you're out because
(37:39):
there's a shortage right now. And I'm seeing it at
the high school level. I talk to the signers all
the time, and it's like, hey, we don't have the
flexibility for moving games because we don't have the numbers
that we used to have.
Speaker 6 (37:50):
You know, you know what it is, it's really tough.
Speaker 7 (37:53):
I think we hold these these youth uh you know,
a fish shows and referees to this you know this
standard because we watched games and we're still we're so
into it. We almost have transference right like where we're thinking, well,
how did you miss that? Play hobbs right, like you
(38:15):
gotta forget, Like, I mean, these are first of all,
it's it's harder to officiate sometimes kids because you're not
playing the game correctly and you can't legislate the game
to the point where you're gonna the kids aren't going
to learn. I mean, let's face it. You go to
(38:36):
you football game. You believe me, I have and I
coach it. And you can call holding on every play
like you know, I mean.
Speaker 6 (38:45):
You could call you can.
Speaker 7 (38:48):
Call you know, penalties on almost I mean, you know,
blocking the back like they're still running the game. So
like do you really want to legislate, Like do you
want to call letter of the law? Strike zone? So
the game takes four hours and it's all walks. You
want them to learn the game? Yeah, you got coaches
(39:09):
who are like arguing with these people.
Speaker 3 (39:11):
It's crazy.
Speaker 5 (39:11):
And I try to preach the youth coaches whenever they
do ask me for advice, I'm like, guys, you got
to celebrate like growth, Celebrate grit, right, Grit is something
we're losing. Celebrate teamwork. Don't just celebrate the wins. Like
if you celebrate you know, the grit and the teamwork
and growing.
Speaker 3 (39:26):
That's what you have to do.
Speaker 5 (39:27):
Like they ask for advice like how to grow a team.
I'm like, these are things you celebrate. Take take wins
and losses out of it. At this level, let's celebrate
these things. And when and when you do that the
right way, guess what, winning's gonna comment.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
You're gonna last. It's just a product of it.
Speaker 6 (39:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (39:41):
And and by the way, growth is the most important
at that age. Like I tell these coaches all the time,
I'm like, dude, I'm not worried. Yeah, is it fun
to win. Yeah, it's fun to win, I mean honestly,
But the growth of the kids is more important because ultimately,
you know, it matters when you go to the high
scho right, So your youth. You got to keep that
(40:02):
in mind as you're teaching and growing and playing the kids,
like you got to make them understand.
Speaker 3 (40:09):
It for sure.
Speaker 5 (40:10):
So I know we're against it, but guys, we have
a lot of great guests coming up and the programs
will continue to grow. And if you have any topics
or anything questions, please feel free to reach out to.
Speaker 3 (40:19):
Me and Anthony and we would happily.
Speaker 6 (40:20):
You know, what is your Twitter?
Speaker 3 (40:23):
Daniel def Underscore five one five at on Twitter.
Speaker 7 (40:27):
All Right, I'm at Anthony el Gargano.
Speaker 6 (40:29):
Fellas are next.
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