Carmen Vitali & Steve Hartman talk Eagles struggles, Jaxson Dart, and more!

Carmen Vitali & Steve Hartman talk about the Eagles struggles this season, if the Giants have saved Brian Daboll's job, whether or not the Colts are receiving enough credit, a quick NFL Week 6 preview, who's on the hot seat already in the NFL, and more! David Helman & Buck Reising join the show. 

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:03):
Welcome, Welcome, Welcome. It is another Fox Football Saturday. I'm
your host, Carmen Batally, and I have Steve Hartman with
me today. Steve, it's been a long time. How are you?

Speaker 3 (00:15):
It is unbelievable, Karmen, what took so long for us
to actually do a show together.

Speaker 4 (00:19):
It probably will not be the last.

Speaker 3 (00:21):
I mean, I've been walking to the studio with you
many times as you've been getting ready for your show.
But yeah, sitting next to each other, so to speak,
and doing a show today is a super treat for
me today.

Speaker 4 (00:32):
I can't wait.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
I I can't either. And as always, we're gonna have
a great show for you today because we're gonna dive
into just how much trouble the defending Super Bowl champions
are in after that lost to the New York Giants
on Thursday Night. Football gonna talk how seriously we're taking
the Indianapolis Colts, and I have to imagine that Steve
is gonna sneak some UCLA talking this somewhere.

Speaker 5 (00:53):
I don't know. I heard Jonas warn me about it.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
So we're gonna we're gonna have to talk about our Hey,
I'm a Big Ten girl too.

Speaker 5 (00:59):
I graduated Northwestern, so you know, well, you.

Speaker 4 (01:02):
Got the win over us that.

Speaker 3 (01:04):
By the way, maybe Ucilla's last loss ever in the
Big Ten is to your belove Wildcats.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
All that may be Northwestern's only win in the Big
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Speaker 2 (01:54):
And as much as this is Fox Football Saturday, let's
get into some of the Major League Baseball that happened.
Fifteen innings, Steve Later and the Mariners now advanced to
the Alcs where they'll take on the Toronto Blue Jays.

Speaker 5 (02:08):
Did you stay up for that whole game?

Speaker 2 (02:10):
I mean I'm in Central Time, so my eyes were
closing where I was like another inning.

Speaker 3 (02:15):
Well, it's interesting, Carmen, Like I was doing local LATV
last night, So yes, I was absolutely watching that entire game.
My dear buddy Bill Plashki of the La Times complain
on social media how boring this game was. I go,
sit down, Bill, There's nothing boring that. The the dynamic
of baseball, Karmen, is so unique in the postseason where

(02:38):
you are hanging on literally every pitch, I mean every
single pitch potentially, certainly when the Mariners were at bad
at the bottom of the inning was the potential end
of the.

Speaker 4 (02:47):
Game, and so it went on and on.

Speaker 3 (02:50):
I mean, I couldn't believe Flaherty got out of that
one inning where the Mariners had two on, nobody out out, Yeah,
and somehow got out of that inning. So to me,
this is what makes postseason baseball extra special.

Speaker 4 (03:04):
I know, it's a long season.

Speaker 3 (03:05):
I get a one hundred and sixty two games, it's
hard to focus on any one game. But once you
get to the postseason, more often than not. Baseball delivers
big time, and certainly that game was one for the ages.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
It really is so advantageous to be the home team
when you go to extras like that, because I mean,
it really can then you can end the game on one pitch.
On one you can knock out of the park and
then it's a walk off win for you. But like,
if you're the Detroit Tigers in that situation, you're like, Okay,
we've got to get a run and then we have
to play another bottom of the ending and stop them
from hitting, or if you're going into these extras tied,

(03:41):
like I just kept thinking about the Detroit Tigers being like, Okay,
we have to get out of this and then we
have to get to the next ending and we have
to play a whole other ending if we want to
win this game. Like, it is so advantageous to be
the home team in situations Like.

Speaker 3 (03:53):
Here's what I don't get though, I mean, you've got
arguably one of the two best pitchers in baseball and school, right,
and so the dominant pitchers in baseball. He goes six
innings ninety nine pitches. That's a lot of pitches for
six innings, but he is he's recorded at eighteen outs
thirteen or strikeouts, okay, and he has a two to
one lead, So I'm.

Speaker 4 (04:13):
Thinking, all right, can we squeeze.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
Another inning out of a guy? Considering this is a
make or break.

Speaker 4 (04:20):
Game Game five?

Speaker 5 (04:22):
I mean, this is it.

Speaker 3 (04:22):
I mean, what are we worried about here? I mean,
if you win the game, fine, then he pitches. You know,
it's like best the seven series, maybe goes Game three
in Game seven, potentially in the next series. But I'm
not yanking Schooball with a two to one lead after
six innings because he's thrown ninety nine pitches. He didn't
look like he was laboring out there. He's blowing people

(04:43):
away that do you not get it right?

Speaker 2 (04:46):
Like, I'm like, as long as he's not giving you
a reason to pull him, let him go.

Speaker 3 (04:51):
Let him go, come on, and then just drives me nuts.
Carl and the way they handle pitchers in baseball now,
I just it's just crazy. But I mean, who would
have thought before a best of five series that the
two games school Wiles started the Tigers ultimately would lose
both those games.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
Yeah, that's not supposed to work like that, And then
the Cubs will take on the Milwaukee Brewers and all
there's sure to be drama filled game.

Speaker 3 (05:15):
What's what's a got on that? Obviously, it's a big
impact on the Dodgers. If the Brewers win, and i'lcs
will open Monday in Milwaukee. But if the Cubs win,
the Dodgers will open the series in La.

Speaker 5 (05:26):
So, my guts, my guts.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
The Brewers they're gonna take it, and that's obvious. I'm
from Chicago, I grew up in White Sox.

Speaker 4 (05:31):
I know you rightside, south Side.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
I don't hate the Cubs, though, I'm one of the
very few people in Chicago that doesn't actually like if
anybody brings the championship to my city, I'm gonna be
happy with it. So I want the Cubs to do well,
but I just the Brewers have been the bane of
their existence all season. They just the production out of
the Milwaukee Brewers offense this year has been incredible. So
them playing at home in a Game five make or
break situation, I feel like that team is built for it.

(05:57):
We'll see, though, I know everybody in Chicago's praying for
a miracle, but another sports city that is praying for
a miracle in a turnaround. I want to get into
the NFL here.

Speaker 5 (06:06):
Steve, Yeah, Eagles defending champion Philadelphia Eagles. Vibes are bad.
Vibes were bad.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
Before they lost to the Giants on Thursday Night Football
this week.

Speaker 5 (06:17):
But now, I mean, things.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
Just seem to be coming a part at the seams
for the offense in particular, where you have AJ Brown
saying things without saying things, and then we actually have.

Speaker 5 (06:32):
I think we have the sound thanks to bo of.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
AJ Brown has not had the season that he's wanted
to have. He has not had the production he's wanted
despite being the seventh most targeted wide receiver in the league.

Speaker 5 (06:45):
He is not.

Speaker 2 (06:47):
He's he had like a fifty percent catch right, but
he's not really been put in advantageous situations or situations
to succeed within this offense. You had Lane Johnson talking
about how disjointed the offense is, and so then you
get kind of this boiling over that has been weeks
in the making. Take a listen to what AJ Brown
had to say after the game.

Speaker 5 (07:05):
What was behind that?

Speaker 4 (07:07):
I don't call them.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
To meeting them around? Those guys said, did you need
to talk to him?

Speaker 4 (07:16):
You weren't you weren't in the meeting RecA where you
don't want to.

Speaker 5 (07:22):
All right.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
That was in reference to reporters asking AJ Brown about
a supposed meeting that Saquon Barkley was talking about between him,
Jalen Hurts, and AJ Brown, and a J. Brown was
based like I don't recall. He later clarified to say,
they just ran into each other in the parking lot
and they were discussing things. But it got painted like

(07:42):
there was tension and that Saquon had to step in,
which apparently wasn't true according to AJ Brown. But this
is not the making Steve of like a cohesive championship
caliber unit.

Speaker 3 (07:54):
Well, this bears a lot of resemblance to the last
time the Eagles are coming off a Super Bowl win
and ultimately Peterson's demise as the head coach of that
football team, and it comes seems to be coming a
part of the seams right now. As you know, Bo Benson,
our brilliant producer here. He is, I got to say,
an ardent observer of the Eagles organization, and he has

(08:18):
he hasn't waivered even after the Eagles dominant run to
a Super Bowl championship a year ago that they have
a blow par head coach and Nick Sirianni, and a
blow par quarterback in Jalen Hurts, and they are due
for an upgrade at both. But to me, the biggest
story obviously has been the complete disappearing act of sa
Kwon Barkley in the Eagles running game. He's averaging just

(08:40):
three point four yards of carry. His longest run from
scrimmage this year's eighteen yards. Eighteen yards in six games,
a guy that put up two thousand yards a year
ago and sat out the final game. Now, I know
they've had some changes on that offensive line, but without
say Kwon Barkley producing anything of substance for the first

(09:01):
six games, they're probably lucky to still be sitting.

Speaker 4 (09:04):
Four to four and two.

Speaker 3 (09:05):
In fact, we were talking last week before their loss
to the Broncos that collapse in that fourth quarter that
even though they were four and oh, they could easily
have been zero to four, they were about four to
one score games and they hadn't looked right all season long. So,
I mean, there's there's a myriad of problems. I know,
the focus is easy to get on AJ Brown, and
you know the idea that he's mouthing off, you know,

(09:27):
not the first time, not the last time. But this
team has more serious problems than I expected them to have.
I thought, on paper, this was a team that you know,
would finally end the long streak of teams not repeating
his NFC East champs, and I really said, who's the
second best team in the NFC. But all their worst fears,
all of them have come true so far.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
Well, it's interesting because on paper, this is still a
fantastic roster full of talent, so many returning guys that
you thought, of course they could run it back this year.
And it's hard to kind of pinpoint what's wrong when
so many things are wrong, at least offensively. You mentioned
the disappearing act of Saquon Barkley. He's averaging I think
three point four yards per carry at this point. He
doesn't even crack the top ten when it comes to

(10:10):
rushing yards this season so far.

Speaker 5 (10:13):
And then you have aj Brown.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
I mentioned it before, seventh most targets of any wide receiver,
but he's only catching about half of them. His receiving
EPA is in the negatives at this point, which is bad.
And it's just everything is so incredibly disjointed, which is
so hard to comprehend given the fact that they still
have an excellent offensive line, still one of the best
in football, that theoretically should be opening up plenty of

(10:35):
rushing lanes for a guy like Saquon Barkley. And then
I think what the crux of this whole thing is,
And you mentioned that bo has mentioned it a few times,
and he has. Jalen Hurts doesn't look right, and it
doesn't look consistent, and he isn't being consistent. This game
against the Giants was just so strange in like how
you attacked Jalen Hurts as you play a lot of

(10:57):
his own coverage because he doesn't. He's got like the
second worst success against zone coverage of any quarterback in
the league this year, So the Giants went after him
in that way. He wasn't terrible against their zone coverage,
but he was terrible against their man coverage, and he
couldn't throw into those tight windows and his receivers weren't
getting separation. Aj Brown is an average of one point
seven yards of separation this year. That's nothing that doesn't

(11:19):
even register on any of the top lists when it
comes to receivers.

Speaker 5 (11:23):
So it seems to be about.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
Like the design and then the execution from the quarterback
position for the offense, and that just that does not
a playoff or Super Bowl contender make. I just I'm
so confused as to what has dropped off so considerably
or how it's all fallen to pieces when you have
essentially the same horses in the stable.

Speaker 3 (11:46):
Well, I think it's also a mental game. With the Eagles,
I mean, you were coming off a devastating fourth quarter
collapse against the Broncos, and coming up you play a
Giants team that you know well, who's coming off a
loss to the Saint a Saints team that many people
honestly thought had a real chance to go oh in
seventeen this year. So after an ugly win against the

(12:08):
Chargers at home, the Giants reverted to form and end
up losing to the Saints. And it's a short weekend,
you're on the road, so you're still like spinning, like,
how do we blow a fourteen point lead in the
fourth quarter at home to the Broncos?

Speaker 4 (12:21):
Oh, okay, We're okay.

Speaker 3 (12:23):
I mean it's very similar to what happened to Penn
State when they went to UCLA. You have a game
with the Big White out, you know against Oregon. I
had to get it in there, and you know you
have that, you know, devastating loss to Oregon, big showdown,
with all these expectations, legals obviously expectations hoping to repeat
of Super Bowl champs, and then you look at you know, like, okay,

(12:43):
well we have a breather next week. You know we
have a breather. We're playing a really bad team. So
their mindset was I mean, they were just not into it.
You gave up thirty four points. You made Cam Scataboo
look like he has a one foot in Canon, Ohio.

Speaker 5 (12:58):
I mean, come on, you know scattaboothslander on this show.

Speaker 3 (13:02):
Well, I love Cam Scataboo. I mean, who doesn't love
this guy. He goes from an FCS school to become
a legend at Arizona State and everyone loves this guy.

Speaker 4 (13:13):
Why wouldn't you.

Speaker 3 (13:14):
The guy absolutely runs like a beast out there. But
you gave up thirty four points to the Giants with
a rookie quarterback and a rookie running back doing most
of the damage and you're the Super Bowl champions.

Speaker 4 (13:27):
That just tells me the Eagles mindset wasn't right.

Speaker 2 (13:30):
It can't be because again you're also supposed to be
able to lean on that defense, and the defense giving
up thirty four points to Jackson dart led.

Speaker 5 (13:37):
Who I could end up being.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
Okay, dev all right, this is a very quick last
question for you, Steve about this game.

Speaker 5 (13:46):
Are the Giants on their way to saving Dable's shop?

Speaker 4 (13:49):
Well, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
I mean, like I said, they're turnaround very similar to UCLA.
See how I can incorporate that in just about every conversation.

Speaker 4 (13:57):
But here's the thing.

Speaker 3 (13:58):
You know, Brian Dable was hyped up to be this
quarterback whisper, the guy that got all the credit for
creating the Josh Allen monster that he's become in the NFL.
And then Daniel Jones has a breakout season to make
the playoffs and win a road playoff game, and they
invest all this money in Daniel Jones, who, by the way,
now is on the short list of MVP candidates, but.

Speaker 4 (14:17):
For a different team.

Speaker 3 (14:18):
So I look at the only reason Brian Dable was
even coaching the Giants this year is they got tired
of firing coaches every two years, which has pretty much
been a pattern since Tom Coughlin left. So has he
saved this season. Too early to tell, but they're excited.
Giants fans are excited about Jackson Dart and Cam Scataboo

(14:41):
and what they got in these two young players.

Speaker 4 (14:43):
Let's see where they go from here.

Speaker 6 (14:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (14:45):
Absolutely, they're fun to watch.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
The Giants are fun to watch if nothing else, even
if they don't win. They've been in those games and
they've been very fun to watch.

Speaker 5 (14:53):
All right.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
Coming up, we're going to get into another kind of
under the radar team.

Speaker 5 (14:57):
The Indianapolis Colts. How for real are they? We're going
to get into that next year. Listening to Fox Football Saturday.

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Speaker 2 (15:14):
Ah, the vibes are good. Unlike what the Philadelphia Eagles.
The vibes are good here on Fox Football Saturday. I'm
Carmon Vitally. We've got Steve Hartman with us. We're talking NFL.
We've talked me to the baseball we and Stevenserting at
UCLA and any possible conversation for.

Speaker 5 (15:31):
Later or not.

Speaker 3 (15:31):
Well, I have something I mean Honestly, I won't do
this every segment, I promise to Carmen, but we're talking
about one of the most like vaculous turnarounds.

Speaker 4 (15:42):
In the history of football at any level.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
Hey, I got this invisive traction in that doesn't usually happen.

Speaker 5 (15:47):
It is.

Speaker 3 (15:48):
I mean, you talk about addition. I mean we're talking
about a team. When they they faced off against Benn
State last week. I tried to put perspective on how
big an upset this was. You sually, there are eighteen.

Speaker 4 (15:59):
Schools in the Big Ten. We've gone from ten to eighteen.

Speaker 3 (16:03):
That's where we are right now, and going into the
Penn State game, UCLA was dead last in the Big
Ten in both total offense and total defense.

Speaker 5 (16:16):
Which is hard to do in Northwest.

Speaker 4 (16:17):
I mean really unbelievable.

Speaker 3 (16:19):
I mean they made say, they made Northwestern look like
a juggernaut. So the fact that they followed up that
win a miraculous upset against Penn State with a dominating
road victory homecoming day in East Lancey from Michigan State,
this team again bears zero resemblance to the team we
saw just a couple of weeks.

Speaker 5 (16:40):
Ago, and I'm very happy for you.

Speaker 4 (16:42):
Thank you.

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(17:03):
posted right after we're off the air. And another team
that I want to give some credit to as we
go transition back into the NFL.

Speaker 5 (17:10):
Here, the Indianapolis.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
Colts are so fun That Daniel Jones led Indianapolis Colts
are so fun. The Indianapolis Colts defense, they're rushing defense.
The interior guys that never get any credit are dominating
for this Indianapolis team.

Speaker 5 (17:30):
Steve, have we given the Colts enough credit?

Speaker 7 (17:32):
No?

Speaker 3 (17:32):
In fact, it's not a fluke that the Colts right now,
by the way, sit is the number one seed in
the AFC. They have the tiebreaker against the Bills. Look,
let's go back to the hiring of Shane Stikeen. So
I knew stik In when he was an assistant coach
with the Chargers back in the day. In fact, he
and siriani were these two young assistants and they were

(17:53):
polar opposites in terms of personality. Stike In is a
hardcore football guy. Sirianna is a goofball okay, but both
of them, you know, obviously effective as head coaches. And
a year ago with stike and you know they're they're
trying to get him to work with Anthony Richardson and
it's just not working. So now you get Daniel Jones,

(18:15):
who can actually play. By the way, he has the
number one QBR in the NFL.

Speaker 4 (18:21):
Jonathan Taylor is leading the NFL in rushing. This is
not a fluke, folks.

Speaker 3 (18:26):
So when you have a quarterback that is number one
in QBR and you have the number one running back
in the league this year, that translates into wins. And
as you mentioned, the run defense of the Colts has
been dynamics. So yeah, this is not a team that's
going to go away as long as they stay healthy.
Because we've always talked about the strength of the Colts
offensive line, Carmen, and it's coming for fruition. You're protecting

(18:49):
your quarterback He's completing seventy one percent of his passes
this year, and Jonathan Taylor is running amok about one
hundred yards of game.

Speaker 4 (18:57):
So Yeah, anyone that is like, ah, are they real
or not?

Speaker 3 (19:00):
Yeah, the Colts are very real, especially in that division,
which by the way, looks like a much better division
than we thought it was going to be before the
season began.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
Yeah, I mean everything is working for the Colts right now,
and that's not an accident.

Speaker 5 (19:13):
You mentioned that Danny Dimes leads.

Speaker 2 (19:15):
The league in QBR. Not only does he still leads
the league, he's led the league all season.

Speaker 5 (19:19):
In EPA per dropback.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
Yeah, he also leads the league in third down conversion rate.
He's top five in every major passing metric that you
could want him to be. Shanstiken very clearly understands how
to get the most out of Daniel Jones, how to
design an offense that he very much thrives in.

Speaker 5 (19:35):
He very very heavy play action.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
When you look at how this offense is run, Daniel
Jones is running play action at the highest clip in the.

Speaker 5 (19:42):
League right now. He's not throwing deep so much.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
And it's worth mentioning that al Pearce has been out,
so that's kind of like your deep ball guy. But
most of about half of Daniel Jones' pack has passed
us have been kind of in the short area of
the field, so that leads to kind of some of
those higher completion rates. But when you have a very
methodical offense that's capable of controlling the clock, because not
only do you have Daniel Jones under center, but you

(20:06):
have Jonathan Taylor who leads the league in rushes and
also has forced the most mistackles and gained the most
missyards off miss tackles in the league so far. That's
a guy that I mean, this is the Jonathan Taylor
that we all fell in love with what four years ago.

Speaker 5 (20:22):
When I led the league in rushing.

Speaker 2 (20:23):
When you have a dynamic offense that is so multiple
in that way and you can control the time of
possession and keep them on the field, that benefits everything
about that team. And then you also have a defense
that is a really really good defense and is limiting
opponent possession and limiting the time of possession from other
opponents as well getting the.

Speaker 5 (20:43):
Ball back to the offense.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
It's just it's all working, and I'm so happy for
Indy because of the Anthony Richardson experience that just or experiment,
I should probably say that just fell spectacularly to pieces.
I do want to point out most of the wins
have come against teams some of the most dysfunctional teams.

Speaker 5 (21:03):
I don't want it look at.

Speaker 3 (21:04):
I want to give you my favorite stat about Daniel Jones.
Ready for this two years ago. Two years ago, he
played in six games for the Giants and was sacked
thirty times.

Speaker 4 (21:14):
In six games.

Speaker 3 (21:15):
This year, in five games, he's been sacked four times.
So in six games with the Giants two years ago,
sacked thirty times. In five games this year with the Colts,
he has been sacked four times. It's amazing how much
better a quarterback can be when he's upright and actually
has that extra second or two to look down the field,

(21:37):
evaluate what's available down the field and make the throws.

Speaker 4 (21:40):
So, I mean, it's night and day.

Speaker 5 (21:43):
He's being really good about getting the ball out pretty quickly.

Speaker 4 (21:45):
I'm sure.

Speaker 3 (21:46):
Sham Steichen said, Look, I've been watching film of you
with the Giants. You're holding onto the ball, trying to
extend plays way too many times, just get rid of
the ball.

Speaker 4 (21:56):
And he's doing just six.

Speaker 2 (21:57):
Nine second time to throw outs for Daniel Jones, which
is up there, or I should say down there. It's
a very fat He's getting rid of the ball very
quickly and that's helping out the offensive line, which is
already good. That win against Denver really showed me a
lot I think with this team as far as like
legitimizing them. But I'm so happy for Indianapolis and for
Colts fans because it's been a long time coming, just

(22:18):
like this update break has been Martin.

Speaker 5 (22:20):
What do you have for.

Speaker 6 (22:21):
Us right now?

Speaker 8 (22:27):
So I will say surprising because both of these teams undefeated,
but Oregon and Indiana has been back and forth through
the first quarter. Just getting started in the second Oregon
converting a fourth and one to stay on the field.
Right now, Indiana in the lead, ten to seven. Indiana
the seventh ranked team in the nation. Oregon the third
sixth months. Oklahoma has his quarterback John Mattier. He's got

(22:47):
one interception thus far, seventy one yards passing three carries
for six yards. Oklahoma with a three to nothing lead
over Texas. Oklahoma and the sixth ranked team in the nation.
That second quarter, just getting started there, six point thirty
left in the second quarter has been all Georgia Tech.
They're also undefeated, eighteen to nothing over Virginia Tech.

Speaker 6 (23:06):
Two and four for the Hokies.

Speaker 8 (23:08):
Notre Dame in NC State tied seven apiece eight minutes
left in the second quarter there Notre Dame, sixteenth ranked
Iowa and I'm sorry Iowa State. In Colorado, the buffalo
Is with a seven to nothing lead over the twenty
second ranked Cyclones. Twelve minutes left in the first half there,
Tennessee just calls the time out of ten minute mark
of the first quarter. Arkansas with a seven nothing lead

(23:29):
over the twelfth ranked Volunteers, and earlier today we saw
Ohio State take care of Illinois.

Speaker 6 (23:34):
They Illinois for I'm sorry.

Speaker 8 (23:35):
Ohio State forced three turnovers that got twenty one points
off of those thirty four to sixteen. In the final
at Alabama forced an interception of both of Beulah's last
pass of his day to go ahead and beat Missouri
twenty seven to twenty four. Tigers previously unranked, I'm sorry,
probably previously undefeated. They were ranked fourteenth before today was

(23:57):
over with Pittsburgh beat Florida State.

Speaker 6 (23:59):
Florida State had that big win against Alabama to start
the year.

Speaker 8 (24:02):
They're now zero to three in ACC play thirty four
to thirty one. Pit with the win, and ole Miss
really honestly hung on to beat Washington State today. Ole
missed the fourth ranked team in the nation, twenty four
to twenty one. Terry mclaurin's been ruled out for the
Washington Commanders. He'll miss another game. He's been limited most
of this season, and Labor Torres Tiger Second Basement, fresh

(24:25):
off that fifteen inning marathon game last night, is announced
he's going to get surgery for a hernia that he
suffered in September and was playing through it. Steve, what
are you playing through right now?

Speaker 4 (24:38):
In life in general? You know how that is.

Speaker 8 (24:40):
I mean, honestly, I'm proud of you. But Carmen, I
know you know. But is UCLA Steve two and zero?

Speaker 3 (24:48):
I mean, and also this way, I don't want to
overstate this, but I really believe they have eleven more
straight wins in him to win the national championship. I
don't want to overstated, but I mean, I know that
we have road games against Indiana and Ohio State and
USC but if they run the table with one loss,
they'll be in the Big Ten championship game. They'll win

(25:08):
that suite four playoff games and be crown national champions
for the first time since nineteen fifty four.

Speaker 5 (25:14):
Hey guy, can dream?

Speaker 4 (25:15):
Thank you to you guys, Steve.

Speaker 9 (25:18):
Do you want to bet on that?

Speaker 4 (25:19):
No?

Speaker 5 (25:21):
You see, take advantage of that vote.

Speaker 3 (25:23):
Give me some odds right now, Give me some odds
plus one hundred thousand, one hundred thousand.

Speaker 4 (25:27):
Oh wow, Okay, let's say. I was going to say,
I do the Maths.

Speaker 9 (25:31):
Sandwich sandwich between the cow Golden Bears and the Colorado
State Rams.

Speaker 2 (25:37):
Wow, I mean, what do you have to lose? Maybe
maybe I'll do it. How ironic would that be?

Speaker 3 (25:44):
Let me tell you, Imlayava, He's got my Heisman vote
right now, and I have a Heisman vote, so just
think about that.

Speaker 4 (25:52):
So there it is.

Speaker 10 (25:53):
The obligatory Steve has to remind everyone that he votes
for the high schooling.

Speaker 4 (25:57):
I do this well, Carmen. I carmoned every once on three,
every damn week.

Speaker 9 (26:01):
Carman, have you ever played Steve's Heisman game?

Speaker 5 (26:04):
No, I don't think.

Speaker 9 (26:05):
I just think of a random year and asked Steve
what the heisman finished was that year?

Speaker 4 (26:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (26:09):
Top ten nineteen seventy six.

Speaker 3 (26:11):
Nineteen seventy six, the winner was Tony Dorris, said Terry
Miller of excuse me. Ricky Bell was second that year
in the voting. Rob Lytel that Michigan was third, Terry
Miller was fourth.

Speaker 4 (26:23):
Uh fifth? Am I going? Am I doing well?

Speaker 11 (26:25):
Right?

Speaker 5 (26:25):
Here?

Speaker 10 (26:26):
You fell for a classic blunder. You went for the seventies.
That's too easy. That's that's when he was with the
Daily and this, that and the other thing you have.

Speaker 3 (26:34):
Tommy Kramer of Rice was fifth, and give her Nielsen
the by U quarterback six?

Speaker 4 (26:39):
Am I doing okay? You know?

Speaker 9 (26:41):
Ray Goth of Georgia, Iray Goff at seven?

Speaker 5 (26:44):
Give you so much? Yeah? Is you just okay?

Speaker 4 (26:47):
Like my boy of North Carolina?

Speaker 5 (26:49):
It's so.

Speaker 4 (26:50):
Joe Roth of cal and Ry impressive.

Speaker 3 (26:52):
Jeff Dankworth of ucl I just rattled off the top ten.

Speaker 9 (26:55):
Yep, that was a top ten in nineteen seventy six.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
It's all very impressive. You know who else who can
do something like this? His party trick. His party trick
is every Super Bowl matchup score and the MVP that
year from any year. You want to ask him of it.
Our next guest, David Hellman of the Athletic That is
his party trick. He loves to do it. I catch
him sometimes murmuring to himself just around the house about

(27:19):
and I ask what he's doing, and it's, oh, I'm
just naming you know, the Heisman winners or the sorry
the Super Bowl MVPs from the last ten years, or
from nineteen eighty to nineteen ninety.

Speaker 5 (27:31):
Isn't that true? Dave Hellman?

Speaker 11 (27:34):
It is true, but talking about it on the radio
makes me nervous because you know, you don't have a
you don't have a safety net.

Speaker 5 (27:41):
That's true. I mean, Steve, if you want to test him,
you could do it right.

Speaker 4 (27:44):
Well, I look at David. I don't want to do
any of that.

Speaker 3 (27:47):
I mean, like at I've been labeled a freak show
my entire life, So I don't you know, if you're
one of those like me that just is memorized things
for just the sake of memorizing things, I SIMI with you,
I know where it's at.

Speaker 11 (28:01):
There are dozens of us, dozens.

Speaker 4 (28:03):
There are a lot of us floating out there.

Speaker 3 (28:05):
That's It's like why and there's no answer to it
other than it just is brain worms.

Speaker 5 (28:11):
He's got brain worms. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:13):
No, we just finished up a conversation Dave about the
Indianapolis Colts, and I am curious as to your take
on just how seriously we should be taking the Colts
and if they have a real shot to go on
a run when it comes postseason time in this AFC.

Speaker 11 (28:29):
I mean, the beauty of the Colt situation is and right,
I mean it just it just turned to October. We
don't have to get ahead of ourselves. We've got a
lot of football season.

Speaker 5 (28:38):
Left, but that's not fun. We also don't think.

Speaker 11 (28:42):
There's always something that comes after. But and what I
was going to say is, but the Colts have already
played two teams that we think really highly of. They
beat the Denver Broncos, and they should have beaten the
La Rams. I mean, if not for several huge brain
farts by a Mitchell in that game, the Colts managed

(29:03):
to beat the Rams and we could be talking about
them as like the hottest team in the NFL. And
on top of that, they play in the AFC South.
And with all due respect to Jacksonville, who has started
equally hot like this is this is not a scary
division in the way where you have to get past
the Kansas City or a Buffalo or a Philadelphia to

(29:24):
win your division. So I think they're already in a
great spot by being four and one in a situation where,
like I said, we'll see what happens with Jacksonville, but
you're in a great spot to at least host a
playoff game and from there. Yeah, I think I think
it's on the table. I think they are. They're incredibly impressive.
I think their defense is probably lacking one or two

(29:45):
like star caliber players that would make me take them
seriously as a super Bowl team. But they are a
very real team. Like I don't think this is going
to be a flash in the pan day.

Speaker 3 (29:57):
You know, there is a fine line between paroity and parody.
And you know, I've been hearing this forever about you know,
the dream way back in the day of Pete Roselle
was you know, the whole league is basically equal, and
we're getting closer to that all the time. Five weeks in,
we don't have a single undefeated team. Jet standalone is

(30:18):
the only winless team. But I mean, I've been watching
the NFL forever and I'm seeing a lot of underwhelming football.
It's not that we don't have flashes or you know,
exciting finishers, that that and everything else, But overall, the
product to me is milk toast, not really dynamic. Are

(30:39):
you one that likes the idea of everyone sort of
on an equal playing field, or do you think the
NFL is better served if you have several dominant teams
really excelling to that next level.

Speaker 5 (30:54):
I think it.

Speaker 11 (30:55):
I think it comes and goes right. I mean, I
think you enjoy the idea of watching something special, and
right now it doesn't look like we have a truly
special team in this year's NFL. But I would argue,
and I know they haven't always looked impressive doing it,
but the Kansas City Chiefs have played in the last
three Super Bowls. I mean, that is incredibly dominant. That

(31:17):
is incredibly impressive, even though they didn't manage to pull
off the three peat. I just I don't think that's
something we'll see very often in you know, however, many
more decades of professional football we play. I think. I
also think the changes to the CBA, the limited amount
of practice time and the type of practices that teams have,
I think it leads to sloppy starts. Obviously, like training

(31:38):
camp is just not what it used to be. So
I think, and you'll hear coaches say this all the time,
where the first four to six weeks of the season
are kind of your training camp where you're getting into
full form and becoming the team that you're going to
be down the second half. So I don't worry about
it too much in the early going. I think it's
a valid point though, that this is a very yeah, Like,

(32:01):
I think this is a very parody driven year where
it doesn't look like there is a true juggernaut. But
I would also point out at this time last year,
the Eagles looked just as underwhelming as they do right now,
and they proceeded to reel off whatever it was like
twelve out of thirteen wins on their way to a
dominant Super Bowl win. So what we've seen in September

(32:23):
often has nothing to do with what winds up happening,
So I'm not stressing about it just yet.

Speaker 5 (32:30):
I guess, Yeah, vibes are bad for the Eagles to
start last year, I remember too, and then that didn't end
up mattering miraculously. However.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
You host a podcast called The Athletic Football Show for
the athletic. One of the episodes you do every week
revolves around the NFL Draft, and a lot is very
college football heavy. You yourself are an LSU Tiger. How
would you contrast that then with college football? And what
have you seen this year? And how is the draft

(32:58):
shaping up? As you talk to Dane Brugler every week
and you're building the Beast Show, how has that been going.

Speaker 11 (33:07):
It's very weird to contrast college football as its own
product with college football as a vehicle for the NFL Draft.
Like this season, if you're just a fan of college football,
I'm having a blast like you talk about parody. I mean,
Ohio State's got this juggernaut defense, and Oregon has been
incredibly impressive all year. But this looks about as wide

(33:30):
open as you could ever expect college football to be.
I mean, Alabama is a good team, but they've already
lost and they look very mortal. Georgia doesn't look like
the absolute monster that they've been for most of the
last five years. And even you know, even unbeatens like
Ohio State, like you're still breaking in a young quarterback
and some of the other the star quarterbacks that came

(33:50):
into this season have been underwhelming. Obviously that applies to
arch Manning, but my guy, Garrett Nusmeyer also not really
off to a great start for LSU. So it's wide
open from the perspective of loving college football. But it's
it's been hard to get a handle on this draft
class because so many big names have kind of stumbled
out of the gate and we've had, you know, we've

(34:11):
learned about guys that nobody was really talking about six
weeks ago, whether it's Dante More in Oregon or he's
actually playing right now, Fernando Mendoza, the Indiana quarterback who
transferred over from cal. So it's been it's been interesting
to try to figure out who the dogs are like,
who like the guys that are going to be the
top ten, top fifteen picks in the draft. I think
they're only just kind of starting to emerge, which is

(34:34):
not what we expected in August. So it's it's been
a little befuddling from a draft standpoint, but that's because
the product itself has been very entertaining, just from the
unpredictability of it all.

Speaker 3 (34:45):
Yeah, and I always get frustrated when they talk about,
you know, elite college players who come up short in
the NFL, and they term them a bust, especially for
quarterbacks right place, right time. Look at Sam Darnold right now,
he's doing it again in Seattle. This is a guy
that was given up for dead because he got drafted
by the godforsaken New York Jets.

Speaker 4 (35:07):
He got put into exile.

Speaker 3 (35:08):
Next thing you know, he's sitting on the bench watching
from the sidelines. He gets an opportunity with a loaded
Vikings team, breaks out with a big season, and now
he's doing it again and.

Speaker 4 (35:18):
With the Seahawks.

Speaker 3 (35:20):
Were you ever of the mindset that we had seen
enough to determine Sam Darnold was just never going to
make it in the NFL. How surprised are you that
he's doing it again in Seattle this season.

Speaker 11 (35:34):
I can't say I'm surprised because he played so well
in Minnesota last year. But at the same time, we
actually talked about this on our podcast this week. I mean,
as good as the Seahawks have been, and I mean
Sam is arguably playing the best football in the NFL
right now. He's certainly on that short list of the
hottest quarterbacks in the league. I didn't like I saw

(35:54):
the Seahawks as having a definitively worse situation than the Vikings,
Like the offensive line not as good overall. Even if
you're high on Jackson Smith and Jigba, I don't think
anybody thinks that's as good as having Justin Jefferson and
Jordan Addison. So for him to be playing better than
he did in Minnesota with I mean, it's a good cast,

(36:15):
but what I think is a lesser cast of characters.
It's incredibly impressive, and it's just I think we've learned
this lesson enough by now to where you know, everybody
wants to have a take and declare somebody's career over
or declare something a mistake. But I mean, look around
the NFL. Sam is doing it. I mean, Sam Darnold
and Baker Mayfield just put on the Game of the

(36:36):
Year a week ago, and they were both cast off
by multiple teams over the course of their careers. I mean,
we started this out with the Indianapolis Colts. Very few
players in the last decade have been bagged on harder
than Daniel Jones, and he looks like a completely new
man with Indianapolis. I mean, you see the examples of
this all over the NFL. It seems silly to say

(36:59):
now because Jared Golf has been an MVP caliber quarterback
for the last two or three years, but when he
was traded to Detroit, it was kind of seen as
like a salary dump where the Rams were like, all right,
we'll throw Golf into this trade for Stafford, but we're
really just we're just trying to get rid of him.
I mean, for the first year or two that Goff
was there, people were talking about, well, what are the

(37:20):
Lions going to do at quarterback? Like who are they
going to draft when it comes time for GoF to
finally be gone? And obviously that sounds silly now, but
I think the lesson learned is just to never never
be too sure. I'll never give out because we've seen it.

Speaker 5 (37:33):
Day we got it, day we got to get you
out of here. I'm so sorry.

Speaker 2 (37:35):
But if you want to listen to more of that conversation,
go check out Dave Show on The Athletic Athletic Football Show.
We will come back to you right after this. You're
listening to Fox Football Saturday. Welcome back into Fox Football Saturday.
I'm your host, Karmen Vitally. I have Steve Hartman with me.
We're having a last.

Speaker 4 (37:52):
We are.

Speaker 3 (37:54):
I'm not going to make any more references to a
certain school, I promise you.

Speaker 2 (37:59):
I'm going to call bs on that We've got a
whole other hour after this, so we'll see.

Speaker 5 (38:05):
But right now, I want to get to our recurring.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
Segment that we do at the bottom of the last
of the first hour of this show.

Speaker 5 (38:13):
It's the dues and the don'ts in.

Speaker 1 (38:14):
Sports, highlighting the du I love that and putting a
spotlight on the don't.

Speaker 4 (38:20):
The subject brings me no joy.

Speaker 5 (38:22):
Don't that that's insane.

Speaker 4 (38:24):
It's time for the dues and the don'ts in sports?

Speaker 2 (38:27):
Okay, Steve, I want to start with this because I
have a du and a don't that's all rolled into one,
and I think it's going to end up sparking a
little bit longer of a conversation. Uh My do is
do preserve as much of your legacy as possible and
don't drag things out longer than they need to go.
Bill Belichick has reportedly inquired about triggering out triggering his

(38:47):
own buyout.

Speaker 5 (38:48):
According to Ollie Conley.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
Members of his staff have also reportedly been granted permission
to seek employment elsewhere, which is wild. We're seven weeks
into the College Caoball season, smack dab in the middle
of it, and things are coming apart at the seams
for North Carolina under Bill Belichick's short lived dreen What
say you, Steve Well?

Speaker 3 (39:09):
First of all, my reaction to that is you're on
the money, Carmen, one hundred percent.

Speaker 4 (39:12):
I mean, it's embarrassing.

Speaker 5 (39:14):
It's embarrassing.

Speaker 3 (39:15):
It's it's it's I mean they've had three legitimate games.
I mean, they'd beat two lower division opponents, and they
get blown.

Speaker 4 (39:25):
Out of these games.

Speaker 3 (39:26):
I mean, you're home and you're down twenty eight to
three to a mediocre Clemson team.

Speaker 4 (39:31):
That's awful.

Speaker 3 (39:32):
I'll tell you the due and I have a big
du Do believe that Jared Goff is the leading candidate
to be the NFL's Most Valuable Player?

Speaker 5 (39:41):
What is it going to take?

Speaker 3 (39:43):
Seventy five percent completion rate, twelve to two touchdown interception HDL,
a one hundred twenty passer rating. He deserves to be
the MVP. You are National Food.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
You're fighting the good fight, my friend. We have a
whole other hour coming up. Stay tuned. You're listening to
Fox Football Saturday. Back into hour two of our Fox
Football Saturday I am Carben Vitally. That's Steve Hartman. We're
back talking all things NFL. We're getting you ready for
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Speaker 5 (40:36):
All right, Steve, yes, I mentioned it. It's week six. Yes,
what's been like the most surprising thing for you? So well?
This season?

Speaker 3 (40:45):
Okay, let's say this before the season, if I had
tried to get a prop bet Okay, So I'm walking
in and you know, I'll say, all right, I like
to see give me some odds in this. I'm gonna say,
going into week six, the Colts shall be the ones
seed in the AFC and the Chiefs will be the
ten seed. Give me some odds on that one before

(41:05):
the season began, because that's where we're sitting right now.

Speaker 4 (41:10):
There is no rhyme or reason.

Speaker 3 (41:11):
You know, Carmen, I have been around gamblers my entire life.
The best man at my wedding was a bookie. He
didn't place any money on my wedding, which is why
I'm no longer married.

Speaker 4 (41:23):
But here's the thing.

Speaker 3 (41:25):
Week to week, we can talk season this season because
every year there's gonna be four or five teams are
going to far exceed expectations, and there are gonna be
four or five teams are gonna go way below expectations.
That happens every year. But even now, on a week
to week basis, there is more unpredictability in the NFL
than I have ever seen. And I've been watching this

(41:47):
league since well before they actually called the Super Bowl
the Super Bowl, So I've been around this league a
long time, and so every year I think, well, it
can't get more unpredictable to me.

Speaker 4 (41:59):
This season said has far exceeded that.

Speaker 3 (42:02):
The Colts number one seed right now, you know, the
Chiefs had rattled off seventeen consecutive one score victories. They're
zero to three and one score games this year I mean,
that's just a sampling of how unpredictable so far this
NFL season has been.

Speaker 2 (42:18):
Yeah, And I mean, I think that's what ends up
making it fun. I think it was interesting what Dave
Helman brought up last hour just about how, Yeah, there's
been a lot of changes to the NFL CBA that
have limited certain practice times, and I think they've really
leveled and regulated, at the very least a lot of
the things that go into the preparation for every single team,
and so you're kind of being put on a on

(42:40):
the same level at least because you're not really allowed
to deviate from the norm, and that kind of leads
to maybe a little bit more of a level playing field.
And then I think the college game two getting so
good and kind of melding a little bit more with
the pro game. Like those two, while they're still different,

(43:00):
they're as similar as they've ever been, and so the
guys are coming into league.

Speaker 5 (43:04):
A little bit more ready than they were before. And
I just I don't know.

Speaker 2 (43:07):
It's a really it's a philosophical conversation for a different time,
because I want to get to some specific games this
week coming up, and you talked about the Kansas City Chiefs,
who are starting to kind of return to what we
thought of them, despite the fact that they've lost a
couple of games this year. They are getting Xavier Worthy
back does not have an injury designation going into this game.

(43:28):
Cannot The same cannot be said for the Detroit Lions,
who will be without Terry on Arnold who is apparently
now out for a while. Alee McNeil, their defensive tackle
isn't back yet but questionable. This is where it gets Dicey,
Brian Branch, Kirby, Joseph Taylor, Decker, among others. Their injury
report is a mile long, and the Chiefs are relatively healthy.
They're healthy, and they don't have Rashi Rice back. He's

(43:50):
serving a six game suspension. He'll be back next week.
But who do you have in this game? I think
I'm still even with all of the injuries, I don't know.
I think that the Lions still have a lot to
prove here, and they've had the Chiefs number in years past.

Speaker 3 (44:02):
Well, the Chiefs may be healthy, they're old. I mean,
when you say healthy, I guess you know. Travis Kelsey
is healthy, but he bears no resemblance to the receiver
he used to be. I mean you talk about worthy,
is he Tyreek Hill in his prime?

Speaker 5 (44:20):
Of the Chiefs.

Speaker 4 (44:21):
I mean there's been a general decline.

Speaker 3 (44:23):
The only reason the Chiefs are breathing at all is
their quarterback Patrick Mahomes, who obviously at this point age wise,
is in the prime of his career, but he doesn't
have the same supporting cast he had just a couple
of years ago. This was not a mirage all season
long last year, come we talked about the Chiefs. You

(44:44):
remember this week the worst eight and no team the
worst ten. And now, I mean they were winning games, but.

Speaker 4 (44:48):
At no point.

Speaker 3 (44:49):
They only had one game in the regular season last
year where they scored thirty points one. I mean, this
used to be commonplace for the Chiefs to put up
those dynamic numbers, and they're just not doing it anymore.
They have a very mediocre offense that only excels when
they're getting super plays out of their still great quarterback
Patrick Mahomes. But to me, when you look at this

(45:11):
matchup against the Lions, the Lions have the best offense
in the NFL. That is the best offense. You have
a two headed monster running back, you had incredible talent
in your receiving corps and you have a quarterback that's
completing seventy five percent of his passes. They're going up
against a declining Chiefs defense. When you look at this
last game for the Chiefs, you've got the lead and

(45:34):
you give it up. You can't stop Jacksonville. Really, you
can't stop Jacksonville, who is a.

Speaker 5 (45:41):
Lot better than what a lot of people gave him
credible for. Well, I mean we.

Speaker 3 (45:44):
Were sort of when you know, Jacksonville was one of
those teams going in the years like, okay, we saw
a big decline a year ago. Are they done? Is
Trevor Lawrence strrelevant? Let's see what happens this year. Obviously
they bounced back, but again, the Chiefs in their prime
are not going to give up again game winning drive
to Jacksonville to lose a game. So that's three straight

(46:05):
one score losses. So, I mean, where the Chiefs are
right now, I just don't see how they can stand
up against the firepower of the Detroit Lions.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
Well, and I think that there is, while a lot
more intangible, there is this unbelievable belief that the Lions
have in themselves that you just don't see as much
with the Chiefs.

Speaker 5 (46:25):
I think back to that Jacksonville game last.

Speaker 2 (46:27):
Week and that drive towards the end, that final touchdown
that Trevor Lawrence runs in.

Speaker 5 (46:33):
Chris Jones completely gives up on that play.

Speaker 4 (46:35):
Yeah, and you're like, if there's not.

Speaker 5 (46:37):
A buy in there?

Speaker 2 (46:38):
And that's for everything about the Lions and how high
powered they are. There's also on top of that this
incredible buy in that Dan Campbell has been able to
achieve in Detroit that really.

Speaker 5 (46:49):
Lets them compete in any sort of game against any
opponent because they have this unshakable belief in themselves even
when they're beat up, even when they have all these injuries.

Speaker 2 (47:01):
That's just why I wholeheartedly believe in the Lions and
I have for the last couple of years because of
that culture. And I don't see that in Kansas City
right now. But I'm not also like making any sweeping
conclusions because we've seen things go terribly awry for the
Chiefs in years past, you know, suffering the most amount
of like Patrick Mahomes suffered the most amount of drops

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by his receivers that you know a couple of years ago,
and they won the Super Bowl that like it's it
doesn't necessarily have what happens now doesn't necessarily have the
bearing on if the Chiefs end up making it.

Speaker 5 (47:31):
To the Super Bowl. But I have this like for
this particular game.

Speaker 2 (47:36):
I just I see a want to and a chip
on the lion's shoulder that just won't allow them to
lose it.

Speaker 3 (47:41):
Yeah, last year, going into the Super Bowl, common sense
favored the Eagles, and by the way, on this very station,
I predicted a double digit Eagle victory. But people are
still hanging on byah But it's the cheese man. They
just find a way.

Speaker 11 (47:56):
You know.

Speaker 3 (47:56):
It's interesting because Mahomes has been in five Super Bowls
and overall they've been outscore badly in those five games.
You have three narrow wins and two blowout losses in
those Super Bowls. I just think that the Chiefs are
mentally worn out. I still think one of the great
achievements in the history of the NFL was the Buffalo
Bills to get to four straight Super Bowls.

Speaker 4 (48:16):
Still the only team to.

Speaker 3 (48:17):
Do it, to actually get to four straight Super Bowls
and have to go through the grind year after year
after year.

Speaker 4 (48:23):
The Chiefs have been in three straight Super Bowls.

Speaker 3 (48:25):
I just think that mentally they're spent right now and
that offseason of contemplating what happened to them in that
Super Bowl, to get absolutely humiliated by the Eagles that day.
I still think it wears on him. Especially the veterans
on this team. Andy Reid just looks at this clipboard
throughout this. I don't know they to me, a lot
of this is checkout time for the Chiefs. Can they

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regain it down the road maybe, but not with this cast.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
Yeah, I mean I think you just need some more
firepower when it comes to that, and maybe Rashia Rice
coming back, We'll give that to him.

Speaker 5 (48:56):
It'll spark whatever, and it'll make it more fun, because
I think that's where it boils down to.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
The Chiefs don't look like they're having fun, and that's
that's something that I think keeps keeps teams going. And
while they've been to three straight Super Bowls, you talk
about being mentally tired, I mean they've been in that
Super Bowl conversation and in and out of the Super
Bowl since twenty nineteen, twenty twenty.

Speaker 4 (49:15):
Well AFC Championship Game every year.

Speaker 3 (49:18):
Yes, I mean that's an insane amount of postseason games
to play a Bible and it wears on you, no
doubt Suir does.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
And one of those games that they ended up losing
catastrophically in the Super Bowl was to my Tampa Bay Buccaneers,
who I was working for at the time, have a
ring thanks to Tom Brady. And that's that Bucks team
thirty one to nine, And that's in deeper.

Speaker 4 (49:38):
Do you really have a ring?

Speaker 5 (49:39):
You know?

Speaker 3 (49:40):
When I work for the Raiders, the La Raiders from
eighty forty, they had just won the Super Bowl when
I joined it six months later, and they had just
gotten their rings, and the rings were far less impressive
in those days, but anyway, they got the rings and
they looked at me and said, you'll get one of these.
And they've never won a Super Bowl since. The Hartman
Jinks has fallen over the silver and Black past.

Speaker 4 (50:01):
Yeah, I was plus years.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
I was with the Bucks from twenty sixteen, so I
had gone through back to back five and eleven seasons.
I was there for Jamis Winston's thirty three and thirty
year but so that was I had put in my
dues at that point, and so twenty twenty comes around,
we get Tom Brady, It's a magical season in so
many ways, and I ended up with the Super Bowl
ring because of it, so so uh, it's fun. It's

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sitting on my little shelf and I get I crack
it open. I look at it from the time and again,
even though it was nothing more than luck just being
in the right place at the right time for me.
But that was a special year and it was cool
to do it over the Chiefs because it was, you know,
this juggernaut they had already been started to be this
budding juggernaut and then went out in that game thirty
one to nine, didn't score a touchdown and it was

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one of those just like I wasn't worried about it
at all that entire game.

Speaker 5 (50:51):
I really I had full faith in the Bucks.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
But the bunch are taking on the Niners this week,
which I think is going to be a really good
game to talk about injuries, though, God, both of these
teams are just I mean, Mac Jones is questionable.

Speaker 5 (51:04):
Property's out.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
Mac Jones himself is questionable, a seemingly a go but
like good lord, and you have to think that if
you're the Bucks, like that's your number one priority is
just getting after Mac Jones because how he's clearly a
very tough player. We saw that last week where he
was cramping and he was this that the other. But
this is gonna be very interesting because it can go

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either way, just given how beat up both of these
teams are.

Speaker 5 (51:28):
Well.

Speaker 4 (51:28):
Quick side note, you know how we talked about pictures.

Speaker 3 (51:30):
These days, you ask less of these pictures in terms
of innings and everything else, and yet we have more
arm injuries than ever.

Speaker 4 (51:37):
Same thing with the NFL.

Speaker 3 (51:39):
Well, we don't want to have full contact practices back
in the eighties, believe me, full contact, full pads Wednesdays, Thursdays,
walk through on Fridays.

Speaker 4 (51:48):
And guys never got hurt.

Speaker 3 (51:51):
You know, the the the training camps used to start
first week of July, double days.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
They didn't get hurt, play through a lot more shot guyswed.

Speaker 4 (52:02):
Whatever the reason.

Speaker 3 (52:03):
I tell you one thing, though, you're paying these guys
whether they play or not, so you know, economically, it
doesn't make sense if you're paying more than ever for
these athletes and asking less or getting less because they're
constantly getting hurt. Something's amiss right now. Like you say,
the NFL, we want to reduce the injuries. There are

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more injuries than ever ever, And so again you talk
about two teams that you don't know where to go
with either one of these teams, the forty nine Ers
and Buccaneers. I mean, Baker Mayfield is definitely in the
in the MVP conversation. But when you look back to
the forty nine Ers win against the Rams, by the way,
they were the biggest points spread dog to win a
game up until that point.

Speaker 5 (52:45):
You know you were.

Speaker 3 (52:46):
Without your quarterback, top three wide receivers, you tie it
in your number one defensive player out for the year,
and you still.

Speaker 4 (52:53):
Win that game.

Speaker 5 (52:54):
Incredible.

Speaker 4 (52:54):
I mean it just I again I.

Speaker 3 (52:59):
By the way, Kyle Shanahan, So my last year working
for the Raiders, we hired a thirty five year old
Mike Shanahan is our new head coach, and I was
introduced to his eight year old son.

Speaker 4 (53:11):
Oh boy, Kyle. Yes, that's Kyle Well out.

Speaker 2 (53:15):
For the Niners, Ricky Pierson, Yeater, Grossmatos, and Jordan Walkins
out for the first Mike Evans, Chris Godwin, Fucky Irving,
Zion McCollum, and Benjamin Morrison, among others.

Speaker 3 (53:26):
The next man in Carmen. That's why I saw it up.
This is wearing out exactly. This is where the coaches,
the coordinators.

Speaker 5 (53:34):
These are two of the best.

Speaker 2 (53:35):
I truly believe that between Kyle Shanahan and Todd Bowles,
they are some of the best at adjusting for the
scheme for the next will comes.

Speaker 3 (53:43):
That's why I'm paying a coach. It's easy for a
coach when you're at full steam and your quarterback is
dynamic and everything else, but when you've got a change
of direction literally week to week and have to grind
it and figure this out. So both these coaches doing
an excellent job. Honestly, by all accounts, neither the forty
nine Ers or Buccaneers should be sitting at.

Speaker 5 (54:02):
Four to one.

Speaker 3 (54:03):
But there is only there's only one stat that matters
in the NFL, wins and losses. You are what you are,
and both these teams are for one teams. I love
the books at home. I think the bus too. With
Baker Mayfield. Again, he's only thrown one interception in five games.
So not only is he dynamic and creating plays latent

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games to pull games out, he's not making mistakes.

Speaker 5 (54:27):
Yes, I do think this is gonna come down to coaching.

Speaker 2 (54:31):
We're also going to talk about some teams, seasons and
maybe some hot seats for certain coaches coming up after this.
But you are listening to Fox Sports Radio. If I
was alive in the eighties, this is what I would
have listened to.

Speaker 5 (54:45):
I'm like I would have been at Duranduran.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
I'm a huge, incredibly huge to pass mode fan.

Speaker 4 (54:51):
Yes, I takes at least two of us in here.

Speaker 2 (54:55):
I grew up like with RAM and all that. Like
this is I just I love all of this. I
was listening to RAM Radio and they were just playing
me a ton of Duran.

Speaker 10 (55:03):
Duran and there's something very warm about I used to
play with synthesizers a lot when I was like in
my teenage years, but those FM synthesizers that started coming
out in the eighties, that is like all this sound
is just perfect.

Speaker 3 (55:16):
Well, when MTV launched, you know, and I was I
graduated college in eighty one, I mean it was it
was such a phenomenon, and you know, certain bands took
advantage of that. Duran Duran was certainly at the top
of that list. I mean they understood, Wow, if we
really produce like some dynamic videos, people are going to
learn our songs and that's what happened.

Speaker 2 (55:37):
I had a water ballet routine when I was a kid,
to flock of seagulls. I ran and there was a
Duran Duran song in there somewhere too, But that was
like the big one.

Speaker 5 (55:47):
I was just I was such a little eighties head
when I was a kid.

Speaker 2 (55:51):
But hey, it's Fox Football Saturday, and thank goodness because
I'm carbavitally, I'm here with Steve Hartman.

Speaker 5 (55:57):
We're talking eighties.

Speaker 2 (55:59):
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of your presets in the iHeart app, so always pop
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Speaker 5 (56:24):
Like an analog radio did back in the eighties. To
bring it full circle.

Speaker 3 (56:27):
Guy, I love that, Carmen. And by the way, you
mentioned the baseball playoffs. Have you seen that Red Ostrich
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Speaker 2 (56:53):
We're gonna get to a little bit more of Major
League Baseball and the playoffs in the next segment a
little later in the show, but for right now, we
were talking about before we went to break this Bucks
Niners game, with how many guys are hurt, it is
basically going to come down to how well these coaches,
between Kyle Shanahan and Todd Bowles can make up for
the personnel that they are lacking and how they can

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scheme around all of those holes. And basically it's going
that's what this game is going to come down to,
us who can out coach the other one.

Speaker 5 (57:21):
And these are two veteran.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
Coaches, some of the best in the league when you
talk about just like the staying power that they've had
and the success that they've had with their respective teams.

Speaker 5 (57:29):
But that's not the case for everybody.

Speaker 2 (57:31):
Not everybody can say that they have a coach that
has done a lot as far as one Super Bowls
or gotten to NFC Championship games, this, that the other,
and there are some very hot coaching seats even six
weeks into the season. Steve Brian Callahan from the Tennessee
Titans comes to mind.

Speaker 5 (57:50):
Mike McDaniel in Miami.

Speaker 2 (57:54):
What say you as far as who's on the hotter
seat and do they deserve to be?

Speaker 3 (57:59):
Well, there's a difference between being a hot set and
deserving to be on the hot seed. And one guy
that I have said for several years now is one
of the great guys, I mean beloved by everyone, who
is vastly overrated as a head coach, and that is
John Harbaugh. John Harbaugh is a you know, two years

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ago inexcusable their game plan at home against the Chiefs
where the abandoned the idea of utilizing their MVP quarterback
to do the unthinkable, and that was to try to
match Patrick Mahomes pass for pass. The game plan was
so bad in that game. Think about this.

Speaker 4 (58:38):
This is a.

Speaker 3 (58:39):
Coach that has a three and five playoff record with
a two time.

Speaker 4 (58:42):
MVP as his quarterback.

Speaker 3 (58:44):
Now, when you go back in the beginning and he
was ten and five with Joe Flacco is quarterback.

Speaker 4 (58:50):
Oh that's right.

Speaker 3 (58:50):
He also had the dynamic ray Lewis ed Reid, you know,
Terrell Suggs, some of the greatest defensive players in the
history of the league. I honestly, I am underwhelmed talk
about coaches making adjustments.

Speaker 4 (59:02):
You know, people say, well, I mean you lose Lamar Jackson.

Speaker 3 (59:05):
Okay, even when he was playing well and he was
off to a you know, a record setting start as
far as his passer rating, they were still losing. We
knew a year ago that the Ravens are gonna have
to make some changes on their defense. They made none.
Their secondary is as bad as ever. So again we
can go about you know, Kevin Stefanski, you talk about McDaniel.

(59:26):
I mean, obviously he's on a very short list, But
I tell you John Harbaugh would be my number one
and my number two would be Pete Carroll, and I
had high expectations for Pete Carroll that he would change
the dynamic of the Raiders. It has been a catastrophe
how bad the Raiders are right now.

Speaker 5 (59:47):
Man, But a little bit more of a leash than that.

Speaker 3 (59:49):
No, I'm sorry, and I'm no one's a bigger Pete
Carroll fan than me. In fact, when he was at USC,
my dad was a USC grad, and I literally personally
thanked Pete Carroll for reviving USC football even though I'm
a UCLA guy, for the sake of my father and
making USC football relevant again. I really believe that he
was going to do something dynamic of the Raiders hiring

(01:00:11):
Chip Kelly, big mistake. Geno Smith is finished. This It's
a catastrophe, and Pete Carroll with the Raiders is honestly
very similar to the Belichick situation at North Carolina. So
I mean, those are two veteran coaches John Harbaugh Pete
Carroll who have put together arguably borderline Hall of Fame

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careers as head coaches in the NFL that have both
failed miserably this season.

Speaker 5 (01:00:37):
I'll tell you what.

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
I see is the big difference between those two because
they've obviously had a lot of respect, They have a
lot of respect around the league. They've had a lot
of success around this league. But the biggest thing that
I think between the two of them are the difference
is that Pete Carroll is still new. Obviously, he's still
getting to know his personnel. As far as I'm concerned,
whereas there's no excuse for John Harbough. And so I'm
glad you brought up John Harbough to have this coversation

(01:01:00):
because when you look at how this offense has has operated,
where Derek Henry is nowhere near the top ten as
far as rushing yards go, I mean, you've got an
absolute bulldozer when it comes to him. And then you
do I mean, now Lamar Jackson is out and he
obviously like that screws over everything about your offense when

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your MVP caliber quarterback is not on the field. And
but it was, it was it looked disjointed even in
the beginning.

Speaker 5 (01:01:28):
I mean the splits from.

Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
You know what Lamar Jackson does well, what Lamar Jackson
does incredibly well, He's an incredible thrower of the football.
But what makes him so incredibly dangerous is what he
can do with his legs. And prior to him getting hurt,
and maybe this is this, you know, this played into it.
His injury played into it.

Speaker 5 (01:01:47):
But there was absolutely no like split between Lamar Jackson
throwing the football and then also like there were no
design runs. They weren't utilizing him correctly on the ground.
You weren't utilizing what makes Lamar Jackson so special. And
after how many years with Lamar Jackson and this offensive
a lot of this offensive personnel, a lot of this
defensive personnel, to not know your players enough to execute

(01:02:11):
so poorly, that is something that is kind of inexcusable
to me, and it's something that I'm glad you brought up.
I'm gonna give I'm gonna personally give Pete Carroll a
little bit more of a leash right now to maybe
get some more guys in there. I think it takes
a couple of years when you try, you.

Speaker 3 (01:02:28):
When you take the play, do they look like they're
going in the right direction, Carmen, they're getting worse every
single Wait, it's not even.

Speaker 5 (01:02:35):
Been six games. You gotta give him something.

Speaker 3 (01:02:37):
You gotta give them starting with a win, and you're
going downhill ever since. I mean, how about going for
a field goal when you're down forty to three at
the end of that game?

Speaker 4 (01:02:46):
What was that?

Speaker 5 (01:02:47):
I think that there's a thing, and I think a
lot of it is true when defensive head coaches, especially
are the ones that are seen as a lot more
conservative because they don't mind having the defense be on
the field to end a game like that's their unit.
So they want their defense on the field.

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
And so when you get defensive coaches, I think you
get conservative play callers. And maybe you're right, maybe Pete
Carroll has not adapted to the league as it is now,
But I do think that you need to give them
a little bit more time than six weeks into the season,
and we need to give a little bit more time
to Martin Weiss for an update.

Speaker 8 (01:03:20):
Break at the half Indiana and Oregon. Indiana got a
last second field goal to taking a thirteen to ten lead.
The seventh th and T Hoosiers leading the third ranked Ducks.
Arch Manning and Texas back out there at the start
of the third quarter, Texas with the ball but trailing
six rank Oklahoma six to Three's been a real offensive

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explosion in the Red River rivalry. Maybe once they changed
the name they decided to stop scoring touchdowns. Eleven thirty
four left in the third quarter between Virginia Tech and
Georgia Tech, thirteenth ranked Yellowjackets with a twenty one to
fourteen lead. Notre Dame leads NC State ten to seven, sixteenth.

Speaker 6 (01:03:59):
Three fighting Irish right now with.

Speaker 8 (01:04:02):
Fourteen to fifteen left in the third quarter. Colorado took
the lead at the half after ten second quarter points
went unanswered against I'm sorry, Iowa State took the lead
at the half after ten unanswered first half point that's
the second quarter points. There we go second twenty second
rank Iowa State ten to seven over.

Speaker 6 (01:04:21):
Colorado and Arkansas.

Speaker 8 (01:04:23):
They fired their coach, Bobby Patrino now the interim head coach.
They're given Tennessee all they can hand them. It's been
a back and forth game, seventeen to seventeen.

Speaker 6 (01:04:31):
With just under three minutes left in the first half.

Speaker 8 (01:04:34):
Earlier today we saw Ohio State turn Illinois over three
times on the way to a thirty four to sixteen
win for the number one team in the nation. Illinois
falls to two and two in conference play. Alabama with
a twenty seven to twenty four win over fourteenth thrank
in Missouri. The A ranked Crimson Tide forcing go open
really second interception of the day on his last throw

(01:04:55):
of the day. If you look at the video, you'll
see a receiver wide open from Missouri, and he let
everybody know about it. He was doing jumping Jackson looked
like past the first down line would have set it
up for a potential game tying kick. Pittsburgh goes into
Tallahassee Beach, Florida State, Florida State now zero and three
in conference play, thirty four to thirty one. In the final,

(01:05:17):
All Miss hangs on against Washington State twenty four to
twenty one. Washington State was in this game the entire
time the Rebels survived, the fourth ranked team in the nation.
Then again, a lot of these games at the half
right now, but Tennessee and Arkansas wanted to keep your
eye on as Joey Aguilar and the volunteers fighting off
the two and three razorbacks back to you.

Speaker 2 (01:05:38):
Guys, well someone else who will know a thing or
two about the Tennessee volunteers.

Speaker 5 (01:05:43):
In a little bit of a cross.

Speaker 2 (01:05:45):
Talk segment that I wanted to do here, Steve, we
are going to welcome our friend, my friend Buck Rising,
onto the show of buckin Fits also Nashville Radio Fame
Best Sports show in Fact in Nashville voted best sports
talk show in Nashville.

Speaker 5 (01:06:06):
Uh, right, book that that was that wasted on you?

Speaker 7 (01:06:10):
The ballance Box, Absolutely you did.

Speaker 5 (01:06:12):
I happened.

Speaker 2 (01:06:13):
I personally was on the receiving end of pleading text
messages to go and vote for you, which I begrudgingly did.

Speaker 5 (01:06:19):
So you're welcome. It's my it's it's fun.

Speaker 7 (01:06:22):
I'm not above shilling for for self congratulations congratulatory reasons.
I'm absolutely about that. So I appreciate your work.

Speaker 5 (01:06:29):
You're so welcome. All right.

Speaker 2 (01:06:30):
But we actually just had a conversation Steve and I
about some coaches that are on the hot seat, and
I purposely didn't lead off with Brian Callahan because I
wanted to get your thoughts on what's happening in Tennessee.

Speaker 5 (01:06:42):
How hot is his seat?

Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
Do we think that this is going to be a
change that Amy Adams Strunk is going to make in
this season?

Speaker 7 (01:06:49):
Yeah, it's there. It's a fascinating conversation because the scrutiny
with the number one overall pick being on Tennessee now
or even if cam Moore does not overly discussed or
overly covered the way your average number one overall pick
would be because of market size and the team that
he played for. But we don't know what Amy's going
to do in these situations. Amy Adams Trunk is and
Jerry Jones. She's not Ji Mersay, she'd done tweet her thoughts.

(01:07:11):
She doesn't give press conferences after Dame. She fires people
seemingly at will. In the last four years, she's fired
two general managers and a head coach, included Mike.

Speaker 5 (01:07:20):
Always on a Tuesday? Right, did I see you tweet that?

Speaker 7 (01:07:22):
Up? I always on a Tuesday. Always on a Tuesday.
Even Ken Wizenhunt Tuesday is she doesn't do Black Monday.
She does Black Tuesday around there in Tennessee, and she's
done it quite often here lately. So she speaks in statements,
So none of us really know what's going to happen here,
other than Brian Callahan was in battle coming in he
was three and fourteen. Last year there was cause to

(01:07:43):
fire and last year. This year it's gotten worse with
the in game management situations. They got their first win
of the season last week in Arizona on one of
the drunkest games I've ever been a part of in
my professional existence, but.

Speaker 2 (01:07:56):
Worse than the Titans Bucks game with Marcus Mariota and
James Went that you and I met at.

Speaker 7 (01:08:02):
Yeah, it was thirty for thirty touchdown, thirty interception season.
I remember it fondly for Shot Harriman fumble on the
goal line with the opportunity for the Fox to take
lead and went on the road.

Speaker 5 (01:08:15):
That's not saying something, by the way, it's a mess.

Speaker 4 (01:08:19):
Buck. I have to personally thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:08:23):
We've never met Carmen Buck and I, but he is
one of the most important.

Speaker 4 (01:08:28):
People in my life.

Speaker 3 (01:08:30):
So the first time I heard you and Jason do
a show together, I was on my way to the
Fox Sports radio studios to do the show.

Speaker 4 (01:08:37):
After you guys. So I'm feeling like, who is this
Buck Rising?

Speaker 3 (01:08:42):
And I'm stopped in traffic on the freeway and there's
a truck in front of me totally stop.

Speaker 4 (01:08:46):
I reached down for my phone to type in your name.

Speaker 3 (01:08:50):
I start to roll forward as the truck in front
of me, he hits his brakes. I slide right into
the back of this guy. Not a scratch on the truck.
Plus the guy had known insurance. But the front end
of my BMW was destroyed. My car was totaled. I
went to my mechanic, I said, do you think the
insurance going to give me any money for you know,

(01:09:11):
a ten year old BMW goes? I don't know, you
might get like three thousand dollars I get contacted by
the insurance company and they transferred twelve thousand dollars into
my account.

Speaker 4 (01:09:22):
Thanks to you, Buck Rising, Thanks.

Speaker 3 (01:09:24):
To you, I MA made twelve thousand dollars the first
time I ever heard you on the air.

Speaker 4 (01:09:31):
So you I told Jason that when I sat in
for you this story.

Speaker 3 (01:09:35):
But yes, you put twelve thousand dollars in my bank account.

Speaker 4 (01:09:39):
Thank you very much.

Speaker 7 (01:09:41):
Well, listen, I thought you were going to describe our
first experience of the car crash, which I'm sure Carmen
could relate.

Speaker 2 (01:09:46):
I would say, I can relate to that one. Where's
my twelve thousand dollars with you for years?

Speaker 7 (01:09:51):
But yeah, no, I know you've been stacking friendship there's
for a while here, karm But listen to us. I'd
like to share the wealth a little bit. Well, I'm
sorry that happened to you, buddy, but I'm glad it
worked out.

Speaker 3 (01:10:00):
Oh more than worked out, Buck, no question about that.
So what so what is what is the buzz.

Speaker 4 (01:10:05):
On cam Ward? I mean, is is he?

Speaker 3 (01:10:08):
Is he the kind of guy that you know a
city's getting around right now?

Speaker 4 (01:10:13):
Like are they Like?

Speaker 3 (01:10:14):
Yeah, I mean it's rough. The team is limited with
talent everything else. Maybe there's questions about Callan and everything else,
but are they are they buying into cam Ward right now? Oh?

Speaker 7 (01:10:24):
Hell yeah. I mean it's it's and it's honestly Steve.
So they got shut out twenty six to nothing in
Huge a couple of weeks ago, and he got up
to the podium and he called the football team ass
and it was. It resonated, right, Like I mean, people
felt it at every level and it's it's was. It
was almost a you know, I know, it's a funny
clip and it's a it's a good viral moment or whatever.

(01:10:44):
But like, I think the city and the fan base
really appreciated that because they have sucked for a long
time in Nashville, and they have caused a lot of
the problems. A lot of the problems are self brought.
It's not been a well run franchise. They made a
bunch of bad decisions, and cam Ward is coming in
here to try and you know, give people hope about
the state of professional football in Tennessee. And I thought, frankly,

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it spoke to having a higher standard than they've had
in the last couple of years. So I think it
was a really important moment. I know the team kind
of hemmed and hawed about it after the fact, and
the locker room, you know, prefers to keep those things internal,
and that's all well and good and whatever. But I
appreciate that that he's transparent. He doesn't care about anything
but winning football games, and they don't win football games here,

(01:11:26):
so if he's trying to fix that, honestly.

Speaker 2 (01:11:28):
I think I mean, as someone who covers the Bears
very closely and covered the Eberflus era very closely, I
think it goes a long way when guys are just
transparent about the fact that they're unhappy too, and not
trying to gloss over things and candy coat things and
whatever and say like, oh, we're going to be fine
and give you the same stock answer.

Speaker 5 (01:11:47):
I mean to see the frustration. I think that does.

Speaker 2 (01:11:50):
I think it connects to the audience, and especially if
you're talking to win games quite yet, you can at
least tell them that you're not happy either. I want
to talk about the defense really quick of the Titans, because.

Speaker 5 (01:12:01):
I have been trying to.

Speaker 2 (01:12:04):
I've been trying to love the defensive line a lot
more than I've been allowed to, and I want it
to happen, so bad for them, and I like, I
feel like this defensive line should be a.

Speaker 5 (01:12:14):
Lot better than what they're producing at this point.

Speaker 7 (01:12:17):
Well, it's it's hard to find a player playing at
a higher level at the interior defensive line position. The
Jeffery Simmons right now in the bus. I mean, he's
he's a bona fide monster this year. He's down twenty pounds.
He discovered Pilates apparently in the off Season's.

Speaker 5 (01:12:33):
Love Plotti's Gurly, We love a Pilate's burly.

Speaker 7 (01:12:37):
Well, this is a three hundred and twenty pounds Pilate's Gurley,
and he's here to wreck your wreck your offensive line.
And he, I mean, he looks excellent.

Speaker 6 (01:12:44):
And it's a.

Speaker 7 (01:12:44):
Shame that they are as bad as they have been
as a football team, because it's not going to be appreciated.
He's a bit of a jeff Simmons is probably a
household name to more avid football fans, but I don't
think that's generally the case. And he is truly playing.
If he was on a winning football team, he would
be a defensive Player of the Year. Standed it through

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the first five weeks. Now, Devandre Sweat has been on
injured reserved. He's the second round pick out of Texas
last year. He's a monster three to sixty six 'y four.
He has missed time. The run defensive suffered as a result.
I do think that there's some stuff there when they've
been healthy. But on both sides football in the trench's car,
they've Jacy Latham, the number one overall pick for twenty
twenty four, missed about four games. Now he's getting ready

(01:13:28):
to make a return as we're out here in Vegas,
and I think they have suffered for not having about
six hundred pounds of beef on their offensive and defensive line.

Speaker 3 (01:13:36):
All right, final word for me, Buck Two things, and
again it's personal. I mean, I'd love to talk Titans
all day, but that's difficult.

Speaker 4 (01:13:44):
I mean, first of all, mean I do three hours
a day. I believe me.

Speaker 3 (01:13:49):
I can you know I had San Diego for years
that I had to talk about. But anyway, So two things.
My daughter, she's twenty four, superstar in every sense. She
wants to spend her nine life in Nashville, Tennessee. She
commutes there about half a dozen times a year. She
has friends there. She's trying to get work there.

Speaker 4 (01:14:07):
If you can help her, I appreciate it.

Speaker 5 (01:14:09):
Buck.

Speaker 3 (01:14:10):
And the second thing is Jeff Fisher. I name drop
a lot, which is what you do when you've been
around as long as I have. Jeff Fisher and I
not only are the same age, we're the same class,
same high school. Yeah, Jeff and I literally went to
high school Taft High School, San Fernando Valley, class of

(01:14:34):
seventy six.

Speaker 4 (01:14:37):
He was a superstar player back in the days. But yeah,
we've We've known each other for fifty years. That's a
long time.

Speaker 11 (01:14:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:14:45):
Fish is an icon, There's no question about it. And
it's cool to still see him hanging around town. He's
been involved with obviously the NFL, he's been involved with
the XFL. He's been involved with HBCUs, helping any George
get things off the ground at Tennessee State when he
was still there before he jumped the Bowl in Green.
So fished on a lot of good work in the
community and people still have a lot of love for him.

Speaker 4 (01:15:07):
So I love to hear that. I mean, he's always
been a great guy.

Speaker 7 (01:15:11):
Yeah, no doubt that he's Uh, he's messing around to
Arena League football, right now get him fly fishing more often,
get him out of that.

Speaker 2 (01:15:19):
But you know, all right, well, for some reason you
want to hear more of Buck Rising. Buck will be
coming on next hour with Jason Fitz, who is infinitely
more uh informed and easy to listen to. I'm just kidding,
that's Buck Rising. Thank you so much, Buck for joining us.
As much as I like to Rise you, I love
talking to you too.

Speaker 7 (01:15:39):
There's a little bit of truth in everything. Car I
don't think I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:15:42):
That, sush.

Speaker 2 (01:15:44):
All right, guys, we are going to be back with
our last segment of the day right after this.

Speaker 5 (01:15:48):
You're listening to Fox Football Saturday. I'm just gonna let
it go.

Speaker 3 (01:15:52):
I was gonna say, I knew you would let this go.

Speaker 2 (01:16:01):
If only I remembered my twelve year old's self doing
a water ballet routine to that song, diving in a
pool with sequins on, sparkly bathing suit, the whole nine.
And this was the song I chose like it was
my decision. It was not my coaches. It was my decision,
along with a girl called your girl names Susan Kkuchi.

(01:16:21):
So if she's listening, I doubt it. But back when
you were twelve years old, I was a synchronice swimmer
and this was my jam.

Speaker 3 (01:16:29):
Well, when I was twenty five years old, I went
to see the Police at the Late Great Hollywood Park
with the Thompson Twins, The Fix and Berlin, which is
really a dynamic eighties concert.

Speaker 4 (01:16:43):
Back in the day.

Speaker 5 (01:16:44):
Yeah sounds like oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:16:45):
Phenomen Oh yeah, No, I mean that song that I
still listen to that song really embarrassing amount of times.

Speaker 4 (01:16:51):
It's a crazy I'm sorry. People don't understand this.

Speaker 3 (01:16:54):
You know, when I know you, you're sort of a
product of your era.

Speaker 4 (01:16:59):
You know, we all are, and.

Speaker 3 (01:17:01):
You appreciate the music styles a lot of different things.

Speaker 4 (01:17:04):
But I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:17:06):
I mean, I look at some of the music then,
and I look at the music now and my children
I'll listen to it, and I'm like, okay, yeah, there's
some good stuff, but overall, sorry, I've gotten to.

Speaker 2 (01:17:17):
That point too where it's okay, most new things do
not impress me or don't excite me. Not that they
don't impress me, because I can have an appreciation for things,
but a lot of stuff just doesn't excite me anymore.
And I find myself listening more, not only to the
stuff I grew up with, but then the stuff that
I listened to as like a high schooler, but then
like the stuff that my parents introduced me to.

Speaker 5 (01:17:35):
And so it's a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:17:36):
Well, that's the beauty of music. Music connects us to
people times in our lives. That's what music is all.

Speaker 2 (01:17:42):
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(01:18:05):
real quick, because we've got a good one coming up here.
Cubs Brewers Game five decides who's going to go on
and face the Dodgers in the NLCS.

Speaker 3 (01:18:15):
Who you got, Steves, Well, look at Milwaukee at home.
Should win this game. Obviously they won the division, so
I'm going to favor the Brewers here. I think Major
League Baseball would love to have the Dodgers in the Cubs,
although I do like this one dynamic that if you
do have the Milwaukee Brewers winning, Let's get into the

(01:18:35):
World Series against the Seattle Mariners. The Brewers were religionally
the Seattle Pilots for their first season before they moved
to Milwaukee their second year. So that'd be the Pilots
and the Mariners and keep there's thirty teams in Major
League Baseball and the Mariners are the only team that

(01:18:55):
has never been to a World Series, only team out
of thirty.

Speaker 2 (01:18:59):
Yeah, I know all too well because my fiance is
a Mariners fan because he grew up in New Orleans,
did not have a team to root for, and was
just taken with Ken Griffy Junior at that time, grew
up with, you know, idolizing Ken Griffy Junior, and decided
he was going to be a Mariners fan. Has stuck
with them, Hence why we were up late in Central
Time last night watching the fifteen inning marathon that ended

(01:19:21):
with the Mariners advancing. Though, so we're a happy household
here in the helmet vitality household.

Speaker 4 (01:19:27):
All right.

Speaker 3 (01:19:27):
So, but you are a white Sox die hard, but
you're rooting for the Cups.

Speaker 2 (01:19:32):
I want I want the Cups to do well because
I want this city to be happy. But I well,
I'm so happy the show was so much fun. We're
gonna come back and see you next week. You were
listening to Fox Football Saturday. Thanks for listening.