FnA with Kevin Figgers & Adam Auslund preview Game 7 of the World Series, talk NFL Week 9 Storylines + Trey Wingo stops by!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 3 (00:06):
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got a lot to get into in tonight show. Of course,
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(00:30):
one of the great media members was a pioneer when
it came to NFL Live back in the day, covers
the NFL now doing his own thing. Gonna join us
and go around the NFL coming up later in the
show as well. And look, I know that this is
called Fox Football Saturday, and we'll get into plenty of
football on today's show, but we have to start off
talking about the world series that is now going That

(00:50):
people say the cliche of two greatest words in sports
game seven, but I do think it rings true, especially
when you talk about these teams and how this series
is played out. And many of you may remember we
talked about this to lead off the show last week
after the Brew Jays won Game one, believe the final
score was eleven to four, and just how feasts or
fam of that offense is, and how the Dodgers have

(01:11):
been able to win their games this postseason on the
backs of their pitching and the offense has been struggling
the entire time. And if you look at the six
games so far in this World Series, that's kind of
how it's played out. It's played out the way the
postseason has played out for both of these franchises this
entire twenty twenty five postseason run. You know, when the
Blue Jays score six or more runs, they typically win.

(01:35):
When they don't, they lose. And we know the Dodgers
basically they have scored over five runs once in the
entire postseason. We know that they are bullied by their
starting pitching and that showed itself again on Friday night
with them picking up to three to one victory and
forcing a game seven on Saturday night.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
And by the way, many of you who.

Speaker 3 (01:56):
Said if you thought you said you saw this coming,
you're probably probably lion because I listen to you guys,
and I watch the twitters fear or the XO Sphere
or whatever you want to call it. These days, people
thought this was going to be easy pickings for the Dodgers.
People were saying, whether it was Seattle, whether it was Toronto,
didn't matter. Dodgers have the giant payroll, they have all
the star players. They're going to come in and roll.

(02:17):
Maybe Toronto wins one game, and they showed from the
outset they are not going anywhere. And the big one
for me was after Game three, you have the eighteen
inning marathon, the Dodgers finally get that victory on the
Freddie Freeman to walk off home run, and the next
two nights Toronto proceeds to put it on the Dodgers
back to back nights at Dodger Stadium. I don't know

(02:38):
what more evanation needs you need right there to tell
you that they're a resilient team that's not going anywhere,
that has a legitimate shot of winning the World Series.
And they were in it from jump Adam on Friday
night for Game six. Really it was just one inning,
that one bad inning by Kevin Gousman, which with one
questionable call for me at least, And I want to
get your take on this too. Yeah, shoe El Tani.

(03:00):
So Tommy Edman hits a one out double, they get
the next batter out, first base is open, and they
decided to walk o Tanny to get to Will Smith.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
Will Smith one of.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
The only Dodgers who actually has to have quality at
bets night in night out, and there's a big reason
why they moved him up to the two hole behind
Shoeyotoni and move Mookie Betts down because he hadn't been productive.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
I think a pretty questionable decision.

Speaker 3 (03:22):
By John Schneider at that point in time of the
game to walk Showeyotoni. Though I feel like I might
be on an island with that take.

Speaker 4 (03:26):
The only thing I'd say is I think Will Smith
was oh first past twenty and maybe he hadn't had
a hit since he took Gosman deep in game two.
In Game two, so and then Otani later has that double,
that double top fly off of the bat.

Speaker 3 (03:44):
YEA be honest.

Speaker 4 (03:45):
This was to me and this series to me has
turned out to be similar to twenty fourteen. It was
the Giants versus the Kansas City Royals, and it felt
like unstoppable force meet to a movable object. These teams
are playing at such a high level, are so equally matched. Now,
if the Dodgers hitting really came on the way they're

(04:07):
capable of, give the Blue Jays credit, but the Dodgers
throughout the playoffs for the most part, haven't been hitting
the way they're able to.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
No, so from jump.

Speaker 3 (04:15):
Even when they were nine to one going through the
Wild Card into the DS into the CS, their offense
was I wouldn't say it was a troaches, but it
certainly was well below the expectation level that you would
have for a lineup that has though those sorts of
names and all stars in the lineup.

Speaker 4 (04:30):
But the guy who was pushed back to hitting fourth
tonight in Mookie Betts, who had been in a deep
funk like we have seen before here in Southern California.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
Earlier this year, the majority of this season.

Speaker 4 (04:43):
A lot of this season, a lot of pop flies
from him, but specifically in the playoffs before we had
seen it in twenty twenty two against the San Diego
Padres in the first round where I think he went
like zero for fifteen, and.

Speaker 3 (04:57):
He followed that up that very next season against Arizona
of the same thing, right.

Speaker 4 (05:01):
And then last season he got out of it against
San Diego in a must win game. Tonight, he gets
out of it in a must win game and has
the biggest hit to drive in two runs in the
inning you're referring to. I think that was a huge relief,
not just for rookie bats, but for this Dodgers offense.

Speaker 3 (05:21):
Well, look, I mean that's all. That's all the offense
they got well, and again the impetus up for that.
And look, we can go back and talk about Otani
and the phenomenal Game three that he had. You what,
the four for four at the plate, not reaching base
nine times, and all the intentional walks, And like I said,
I'm probably gonna be in the minority of this because
you have a runner and scoring position, you have Oltani.
He's one of those players. All it takes is one

(05:42):
swing of the bat, he hits a home run, and
all of a sudden you're down to nothing. Just considering
how they've pitched him, how well they've pitched against him
in totality in this series. At a point like that,
I just don't know if that's a situation where I
would have walked him or if nothing else at him,
I probably would have done what they did in the
previous game. Make him work for it, maybe do the
intentional unintentional walk. Yeah, but just put on putting him

(06:03):
on no again. Will Smith has been over like the
majority of the Dodger lineup has been. But again, he's
put together good at bats. He's been a pretty decent
contact hitter, which few of the Dodger players have been
in this lineup at that point in time. I don't
know if that's a move that I would have made,
and I think that that was as pivotal of a
move as any.

Speaker 4 (06:19):
Will Smith has been a clutch player in the past
for this Dodgers team, for those who follow them closely enough.
He is someone that has come through in big moments
and did so earlier in this series against that very pitcher.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
So I do I do understand your point.

Speaker 4 (06:35):
I think they're saying the one guy that can't beat
us is Otani.

Speaker 3 (06:38):
I understand.

Speaker 4 (06:39):
But you could see if he'll chase at some bad
pitches because he does. Yes, he's a free swinger, and
he has been feast or famine throughout the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
It's a couple of historic, miraculous.

Speaker 4 (06:50):
Games from him and then a lot of games where
he's either not getting on base or hitting for singles
instead of for power.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
So I think it's a decision. I'll put it that way.

Speaker 3 (07:01):
Yeah, and look, and granted this, that was not the
only reason why Toronto lost. And if we go back
to the just this this series in a nutshell when
Toronto has won. And this is not some sort of
novel concept. It's obviously timely hitting. You hit with men
in's corny position, win, you win. But Toronto had so
many opportunities in Friday Night's game with men in scoring position,
with men on base that the final sequence they had

(07:23):
two guys on with nobody out and weren't able to
get him in.

Speaker 4 (07:26):
Well, and there was a unique situation where at least
one run would have scored.

Speaker 3 (07:30):
Yeah, well, a ball, I mean, and you talk about
game being at a game of inches, and if you
want to call it luck finding the Dodgers whatever, a
ball getting wedged at the bottom of the at the
bottom of the stanchion happened.

Speaker 4 (07:41):
The atomic wedgie at that moment, This.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
Isn't Wrigley feel like one in a thousand chance of
that happened? And shout out to a reserve outfielder, Justin Dean,
who was just in there for defensive purposes, for not
touching the ball knowing that the ball will be live
the second he touches it with his hand now, and
the umpires.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
Did handle it correctly.

Speaker 4 (07:58):
If you don't like the rule, that one thing, but
they adhered to it, and they called it immediately. They
said it was a dead ball right away. So I
don't think there's much controversy there at alltroversy some upset
Jays fans, some Dodger fans have been like, oh, this
is a miracle, this is exactly what we needed. Something
went in our favor. Now we're destined to win in seven.

(08:21):
But you know, some fans obviously are going to be
irrational about it. I just it's only scoring one, so
it's still three to two. It's still three to two
in that situation. The problem is the base running there.
As much as you want to praise Key k Hernandez
because he is mister October and he is unbelievably clutch,
and I haven't seen many players like him that turns

(08:42):
superhuman in the playoffs, going from the regular season to
what he does in October Clutch, he's all that. But
to me, that's a worst play on the basis than
it is a great play from keyk Hernandez who did
charge in on that ball and made that were on
the run, but Addison Barger with a huge bludder there.

Speaker 3 (09:04):
You can't get picked off a second like that on
a shallow ball at that, you know, sinking liner into
left field.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
You have to be more heads up than that and
be closer to the base.

Speaker 3 (09:13):
You can't run into the final lot of the game
in the situation like that.

Speaker 4 (09:16):
Yeah, and there were multiple times in this game where
it felt like early on, you know, Springer gets on
base somehow and then does later it almost gives like
a Jordan shrug.

Speaker 3 (09:27):
I don't know how this is happening either, And this
has happened a lot, but I see in this happened
people were saying like, oh, the Toronto's getting all these
lucky breaks and all these bloopers and all this. They're
a contact hitting team. That happens for teams that put
the ball in play a lot, and the Dodgers have
not been that.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
They don't swing at bad pitches.

Speaker 4 (09:41):
We said coming into this series, the reason it could
be very competitive is because the Blue Jays not just
that they hit the style and the way that they hit,
the variety of hits they can manufacture, as opposed to
a lot of teams that are just on a long
launch angle bender. But this Blue Jays team. We also
said last when they won that game over Blake Snell,

(10:02):
it took some of the invincibility in the aura away
from the Dodgers and them having home field. We said
at that point, it's going back to Toronto.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
Now.

Speaker 4 (10:13):
I didn't anticipate what happened in Game three in eighteen innings,
and most teams would have been broken after that. Yeah,
for them to come back and win the next two
said so much about them that even with the way
they lost tonight, even with so much stuff going against
them late and feeling like they gave the game away,
I think they can come back and win tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
And I think the Dodgers like there.

Speaker 4 (10:34):
You can make the argument for either team feeling like
they're in that position where they're the team of destiny.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (10:40):
Well, and I guess when you go to a situation
like this, people talk about like, Okay, well, who's the
pressure on most? I think conventional wisdom will tell you
that it's on Toronto because they had a chance to
close it out on Friday night. They didn't do it.
Now it's a Game seven at home. The pressures on them,
I gotta be honest with you, it's still on the Dodgers.
They were the team that were overwhelming favorites to win
the World Series coming into this year. They have all

(11:01):
of these Hall of Famers and all of these All
Stars and MVPs and the inflated payroll. They're supposed to
be here. If anything, they were supposed to win this
series in five games. It should not be this much
of an effort for them to be able to win
a championship. And I'm just saying this based off of,
you know, the numbers and the stats and all that
coming into it, and the belief about where these two
franchises are.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
In the chasm between the two of them.

Speaker 4 (11:22):
You're giving them the George Costanza in Seinfeld where he's
actually teaching launch angle before we even knew that was
a thing comediateally, and he's talking to Ernie Williams and
Derek Jeter and he's like, it's elementary, this is how,
this is how you're supposed to hit. As they're in
the batting cages and they look at him and go,
we just won the World Series. George Cassanza replies with

(11:44):
in six games.

Speaker 3 (11:46):
I mean, yeah, so that's how a lot of people,
you know, view this thing coming into it. But we know,
and we know baseball, this happens all the time. We've
we talked about this last week. How many great Yankee
teams were shut down in the postseason two thousand and
six against the Try they had the greatest lineup of
all time arguably, and the Detroit Tigers, with a very
little experience, shut them down, you know, for in four

(12:06):
or five games, whatever it was at that point. So
baseball almost never just follows a script. You know, There's
two teams out there playing. So I do think that
the Dodgers are the ones under the most pressure at
this point in time because the expectation level falls on them. Toronto,
to a certain degree, he is playing with house money.
Now you've gotten to this point, You've shown that you
can hang with them, You've shown that you can beat them,

(12:26):
and in dominating fashion at that. I mean, every Toronto win,
they've basically run the Dodgers off the field in this series.

Speaker 2 (12:33):
So they know that they can play with them, they
know that they can beat them.

Speaker 3 (12:35):
I think the pressure falls squarely on the shoulders of
the Dodgers here, not Toronto.

Speaker 4 (12:39):
I think it falls on the Dodgers and Dave Roberts
because he has real decisions to make tomorrow. Because the
end of this game, you have Tyler Glasnow out there
closing it. Granted he only threw three pitches, but he
was lined up to be on consistent rest to be
able to start in Game seven. But they also have Tani,

(13:02):
and they also have I think Yamamoto's game. I think
he's good for an inning or two.

Speaker 3 (13:07):
I think this might be a Randy Johnson in two
thousand and one against the Yankee situation where he came in,
he started Game six, and he came in out of
the pen in Game seven. I can absolutely see that happening,
where if there's a similar situation to Friday Night where
maybe they bring in Susaki, maybe he's in the seventh
instead of the eighth or something, and he gets a
few outs, but he starts struggling and he finds himself
in trouble. Would not surprise me if they brought Yamamoto

(13:28):
in to get the final five six outs of neb.

Speaker 4 (13:31):
I think that's the perfect comparison, Kurt Shilling was starting,
Randy Johnson comes in closes things out. They were dynamite
against the Yankees in that series. It was legendary stuff.
And they still needed Gonzalz to get that hit off
of Mariano rivera bloop single off of a cutter.

Speaker 2 (13:46):
Yeah, the sawed off bat in the centerfield. I think
that's exactly.

Speaker 4 (13:50):
Look, it's it's game seven, all hands on deck, of course,
but they're not going to risk certain young arms long
term if they think.

Speaker 2 (13:59):
There's risk Yamamoso, though, wanted to go.

Speaker 4 (14:02):
At the end of Game three when they thought they
were gonna have to go with Rojas on the mound,
a player pitching for the Dodgers, and he's like, no,
I'm good, just let let me let me long toss
a little bit over here.

Speaker 3 (14:13):
I'll be ready and Glass now I'll be ready. You
mentioned I mean three pitches. That doesn't count warm up
tosses and all that. But it's three pitches. So how
much is it now? Granted, high stress situation obviously, but
how much does that really tax you? Especially if we
were to believe reports that came out, and I believe
Ken Rosenthal here at Fox Sports reported this that the
plan is for old Tani to start the game or
open quote unquote, if we're gonna use that vernacular the

(14:35):
game and how long, how long he potentially would go,
we don't know. Well, it's kind of the only way
to do it. You're not going to bring him in
out of the pin because if you do that, you
lose his bat. Yeah, that's how the rules are set
up right now. I know Andrew Friedman, the Dodger president
of Baseball Operations, is petitioning the league to try to
make sure they change that rule.

Speaker 4 (14:51):
See, some people want rules changed against them, they want
a rule changed for them here, but that one does
make sense.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
It's just a unique thing we never expected to happen.

Speaker 3 (14:59):
And I forget exactly what players said this, or maybe
it was a former players like he thinks it would
actually open things up more for there to be more
two way players. That there could be guys who who
can be relievers and also be dhs. That if they
were to open that rule up and allow players to
be able to do that, you see a lot more
two way players proliferate into the major leagues. I mean,
I'm all which I'm all for to be honest, I
think it's great. That's good for.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
Baseball, Like, we need more of these unicorns.

Speaker 4 (15:23):
I know you're technically only supposed to have one, it's
a unicorn, but we need more of these two way
players and superstars who can show off athleticism in a
sport where a lot of people discount it and diminish
it or make fun of it. And it's like, well,
not anymore or not with Otani there. And if this
tends to be a trend, even though nobody's gonna be
like Otani, just guys being able to do a little

(15:44):
bit more, it's gonna bring more eyeballs to the screen.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
So Rob Manford should be all about this absolutely, and
hopefully he is.

Speaker 3 (15:52):
So Otani's gonna open how many innings he goes?

Speaker 2 (15:54):
How many times to the lineup?

Speaker 3 (15:55):
I don't really know, And my guess is they're probably
still gonna go with Glass now him. Yeah, he only
threw three pitches, that doesn't really count for a whole lot.
Didn't tax his arm all that much. Behind that, who knows.
I mean, as you mentioned, it's all hands on deck.

Speaker 4 (16:08):
If you get to the eighth or ninth, then it's
Hiawamoto I think.

Speaker 3 (16:12):
Yeah, possibly, I still think they he might go through
the wall with Sasaki one more time to run him
out there. I know he threw a lot of pitches
and it was a high stress situation for him on
Friday night.

Speaker 4 (16:21):
We have no idea what he's capable of because he
went from being a starter his entire life to just
now being a guy who comes out of the pen.
So what's fatigue for him? It's just he has to
listen to his body and most of these guys are
gonna say I'm good, I'm ready to go, and he
and Yaomoto are both very young.

Speaker 3 (16:38):
Yeah, exactly so. And the question for me is it's
really not a question. I want to see how Max
Schurzer performs because he's been a big game pitcher. He
was on the other side of this situation in twenty
nineteen with the Nationals. The Nationals were down three to
two to the Houston Astros and had to go back
to Houston for Game six and seven. Strasburg started Game six,

(16:58):
Schurzer started Game seven, and they ended up winning that series.
So now Max Shurr's are on the mound. Granted many
many years older and much much less effective than he
was back then, but still a big game situation. You
know a guy can step up and pitch. Well, he
was okay, not great. I think he gave up what
was the three runs in four inning, four and to
thirty innings something like that against the Dodgers earlier in
the series. But he certainly can have a throwback game,

(17:21):
especially against this Dodger lineup.

Speaker 2 (17:22):
It's not ef They're lighting the world on fire. So
who's the same? Max Ers again? Go out and tall
six score on Friday on Saturday, excuse me?

Speaker 4 (17:28):
Well, and actually he still knows some of these guys
from his short lived tenure as a member of the
Dodgers in twenty twenty one didn't end well, it did not.
He got arm fatigue, he got the old dead arm.
But you bring up the fact that they came back
on the Astros down three to two and had to
do it on the road. That's only the third time
in history that a team has been able to do

(17:48):
that after being down three to two, to have to
go on the road and win the next two. That
happened with the Nationals in twenty nineteen. That happened with
the Chicago Cubs against Cleveland in twenty sixteen, it.

Speaker 3 (18:00):
Comes down three to one in that series to Cleveland.
If I remember correctly, I don't fully remember.

Speaker 4 (18:04):
That might be true. That might be true. The nineteen
seventy nine Pirates did it as well. So if you
do want to make the argument that there is pressure
on the Jas, it's that this stuff rarely ever happens
where you're going home up three to two, you have
to close things out. Yeah, I do think the pressure
swings that quickly from game to game, where it goes

(18:26):
from one extreme to the other with teams with players
like this, all of a sudden, Mookie Betts, the eight
hundred pound gorilla on his back, has relieved him. It's
no longer congo or whatever going on. Like that was
such a big hit for him. You wonder what that does,
and it gives everybody faith in Dave Roberts once again
pushing the right buttons. And by the way, every Dodger

(18:48):
fan was like being sarcastic earlier today saying, oh, great,
he's batting forth, so he's going to strike out with more.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
Guys on base, and then he comes through with the
biggest hits exactly, and now everybody loves him again.

Speaker 4 (18:59):
Yeah, so that's how these things always go. But I
it's gonna come down because both teams have dominant enough
pitching that if their guys are on their game, it's
gonna come down to just a couple of hits.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
Yep, and that's it, and this is what it should be.

Speaker 3 (19:16):
Yeah, miscues a lot of mistakes, defensive leakes for the
Dodgers in this series which have come back to bite him,
and there was a couple on Friday night that they
actually were able to play through. But that's the excellence
of Yamamoto, who, by the way, would be the MVP
of this series.

Speaker 2 (19:28):
I believe if the Dodgers end up winning in.

Speaker 3 (19:33):
Four home runs again or something in the closeout game,
if he does what he.

Speaker 4 (19:37):
Did in the closeout game in the NLCS and hits
a couple of home runs while pitching four or five innings,
then yeah, it's gonna be Alani.

Speaker 3 (19:44):
Coming up next, we'll talk more about the World Series
with Tim Kates. He does pre and postgame for the
Dodgers on the Dodgers Radio Network. Talk about this Game
seven coming up on Saturday night. I know it's Fox
Football Saturday. We've got plenty of football coming up later
in the show, but coming up next, Tim Kate's talking
Dodgers and Toronto Game of the World Series. Coming up
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Speaker 2 (21:13):
We agree, Eloy, thank you man.

Speaker 4 (21:14):
He didn't feel like this before when his Kansas City
Chiefs started zero to two or whatever they were. Now
he's all for it because he knows at some point
tonight we'll have to praise his chiefs and maybe have
a Maya copa.

Speaker 3 (21:27):
Here as much as painful as it is for me. Yes,
that's gonna come later in the show. Not coming up
as Tim Kates, you know, can't find him. He's in
mya Bump Bump, you know, Halloween. He's probably out celebrating
a Dodger victory somewhere, look like eight or nine marks deep.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
This is his night.

Speaker 4 (21:42):
His nickname is the Wall. The ball got stuck in
the wall in Game six of the World Series, which
aided the Dodgers victory.

Speaker 2 (21:50):
And he's not coming on. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (21:51):
So Tim Kay's the pregame and postgame host for the
Dodgers Radio network, unfortunately not able to join.

Speaker 6 (21:56):
Us to night.

Speaker 3 (21:57):
But it's fine, fine, it's not fine. He's partying on Halloween.
I understand by the.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
Way, plenty of candy.

Speaker 7 (22:03):
Let's see her under in spicy marks that he had tonight.
You guys, I'm gonna say in four and a half.

Speaker 3 (22:09):
Well, oh, you gotta throw the hook in there.

Speaker 8 (22:11):
I'm throwing the hook four and a half.

Speaker 4 (22:13):
What's the over under on the PEPs today? See, he
took in prep for his spicy margaritas.

Speaker 2 (22:19):
That's that's why we.

Speaker 6 (22:20):
Should go get some beers.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
I look at some girls.

Speaker 4 (22:23):
He's a married man, but yeah, he's he's knee deep
in spicy margarita.

Speaker 3 (22:27):
Since we're talking about drinking in Halloween. I wasn't gonna
do this, but I remember so John.

Speaker 4 (22:32):
For the hallapenos, his spicy margaritas.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
Josh Schneider the manager of the Toronto Blue Jay.

Speaker 3 (22:39):
So before Game six, we know the managers always speak
to the media, and they asked them about Halloween. I
was like, hey, you know you're managing in the World
Series this year on Halloween night? What were you doing
this time last year?

Speaker 6 (22:49):
He says.

Speaker 3 (22:49):
Last year, I was sitting in my neighbor's driveway. I
was drinking a beer and I was handing out candy.
And while I'm on the topic. This is John Schneider
is a Halloween is completely made up holiday.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
I don't celebrate it.

Speaker 3 (22:59):
I don't dress up, I sit up and just let
my It's not my favorite holiday.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
The matter of fact, he say it's my least favorite
holiday of the year.

Speaker 4 (23:05):
Because he thinks it's like some pagan thing and there's
witchcraft going on.

Speaker 2 (23:10):
What holiday?

Speaker 6 (23:11):
Is it?

Speaker 3 (23:11):
Made up? The concept of holidays in general today or
man made and constructed days are just days?

Speaker 2 (23:17):
Can we put labels on them? However you want?

Speaker 4 (23:21):
Get the Weezer song holiday on a Holiday for Kevin's
rant here in the background. I need this because I
know where Kevin. Kevin's been on this for a while.

Speaker 3 (23:29):
Madonna works too, But whatever whatever works for you. Mark,
You know all the holiday songs these.

Speaker 4 (23:33):
Are marketing ploys. Is that what we're saying here is business?
Holidays are a big business.

Speaker 3 (23:38):
Yes, every last one of them. Are They all are?

Speaker 2 (23:41):
Even Valentine's Day?

Speaker 3 (23:43):
Yeah, obviously especially Valentine's Say, oh, granted you have Memorial Day.
There you go Mark Veterans Day. Sure, you're you're honoring
our veterans. That's those are phenomenal. But outside of those,
and like ourbor Day, or something. I guess little planet Tree,
everything else is all for marhall Gain, every single last
one of them.

Speaker 2 (24:02):
So they're all made up holidays. Now wait a second.

Speaker 4 (24:05):
Yeah, I went to Sunday school as a kid in
the youth group.

Speaker 2 (24:09):
Yeah, so did you plant trees on Arbor Day?

Speaker 6 (24:13):
No?

Speaker 4 (24:13):
Okay, I didn't know about it. And don't make a
clippers joke. I'm I'm talking about Baby Jesus on Christmas. Sure,
we say, and that's made up. Uh No, we celebrate.
I say that the commercialization of it is made up fair.
So the very fact that is my point.

Speaker 3 (24:33):
Exactly, Adam, that you take something that is very deeply
tied into someone's religious background and their outlook on life,
you try to make a buck off of it by
making up some fat guy that lives in the North
Pole and gives away presents.

Speaker 2 (24:45):
This could get into a bad place.

Speaker 3 (24:49):
The Easter Bunny, which does the exact same thing. By
the way, while we're on that topic.

Speaker 4 (24:53):
Easter Bunny saves Easter Bunny rose after three days. That's
what happened, right.

Speaker 3 (24:58):
Cracked open a couple of cab barriers for you.

Speaker 6 (25:00):
Huh.

Speaker 4 (25:00):
First of all, they needn't make those year round the
Cadgeby cream eggs that should be I feel like there
was one Halloween where they had them on Halloween still
and not just Easter.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
And I loaded it up and then I put them
in the freezer.

Speaker 4 (25:13):
That's like I freeze dry those Cadbury eggs so that
I can pop one out, you know, in the middle
of the summer.

Speaker 3 (25:18):
So when you go to try to get some candy
for the trick or treaters and all the Cadbury exs
are going, you know it's Adam who scooped them up
the moment they loaded the shelves.

Speaker 4 (25:25):
Well, the trick is trick or treating. The trick is
the day after Easter. They're like half off.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
That is true.

Speaker 4 (25:33):
Yes, so they go from fifty cents or seventy five
says to Nickel.

Speaker 3 (25:36):
Valentine's Day stuff that goes the exact same way.

Speaker 4 (25:39):
By the way, do you have and I know this
is like does ketch up along on a hot dog
type conversation?

Speaker 3 (25:46):
Is radio topic you're about to throw out me?

Speaker 4 (25:50):
This topic goal, This can only be, This can only
be happening all on Halloween.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
I just want to know your favorite candy pop quiz hotshot.

Speaker 4 (25:58):
Because it's Halloween. Not for no particular reason. There's a
specific reason for this. Yeah, not Pete Rose Hall of
Fame talk during the summer.

Speaker 3 (26:06):
Easy for me is Reeseus, Reese's what the peanut butter Cupskay, honestly,
I can eat any Reese's product. They're not paying me
to say this by we eat any Reei's product. They're
all phenomenal.

Speaker 4 (26:15):
You ever tried their peanut butter recent Like, do you
remember like trying to get your mom to buy the
Reese's peanut butter when that came out.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
That was a big deal.

Speaker 3 (26:23):
I don't actually Reese's actually made their own peanut butter.
I don't recall that one.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
I don't know if they still have, but I'm guessing
there was. Was there chocolate in the peanut butter or no.

Speaker 4 (26:30):
They had one later, but it was just this is
the Reese's peanut butter used in peanut butter cups, although
it really wasn't It was too healthy taste to be that,
it was not artificial enough.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
So I'm with you.

Speaker 4 (26:42):
Reese's peanut butter cup top tier peanut butter. That's as
good as kfig and out of moussel. That's the ultimate pairing.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
Well, since we're doing this, Brie, do you have a
favorite candy?

Speaker 7 (26:52):
Yeah, sour Patch kids are pretty much anything sour sour straw.

Speaker 4 (26:57):
Like, tell me the flavors of sour patch kids. A
fat kid on the inside, I need to know the
exact flavors that are.

Speaker 8 (27:04):
I'm a fat kid on the outside.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
I want to know. Stop with the self hatred.

Speaker 8 (27:11):
Car face man.

Speaker 7 (27:12):
Okay, so I'm gonna rank them sour patch Like the
the watermelon number one?

Speaker 6 (27:17):
Right?

Speaker 8 (27:18):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (27:18):
Watermelon is number one?

Speaker 7 (27:19):
Yes? Like the watermelon interesting, Like the ones that I'm
actually holding right right now.

Speaker 4 (27:24):
I thought you were going is it because they're in
your hand and right now they're currently number one?

Speaker 7 (27:29):
No?

Speaker 8 (27:29):
No, no, I just love them all the time.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
What about blue rass?

Speaker 8 (27:32):
That was my second one? You're literally you're such a you.
You're the spoiler alert. What's the second one? You said
you wanted me to rank them?

Speaker 7 (27:39):
I'm just saying watermelon number one, all right, blue Rising
number two? And then the green ones number three, and
then great fruit number four?

Speaker 2 (27:47):
What about the cherry?

Speaker 8 (27:48):
I don't like the cherry?

Speaker 2 (27:49):
You don't like the cherry?

Speaker 8 (27:50):
Grapefruit?

Speaker 2 (27:52):
Are you the weird kid?

Speaker 4 (27:53):
That wants the green Limes skittle back after they made
it green apple for a while. Okay, you like the
yellow Skittles, you like the lemon flavor, artificial lemon drops, lemonheads.

Speaker 7 (28:06):
I like the sour Skittles better than the original skittles.

Speaker 2 (28:09):
The green bag, Yes, they are good.

Speaker 8 (28:11):
Those are so good. I think the purple bag.

Speaker 2 (28:14):
Give it to us. Yeah, your favorite, Mark, big fan
of sweet tarts. I also like the Resu's peanut butter cups.

Speaker 8 (28:20):
And I'm a big fan of Three Musketeers.

Speaker 3 (28:22):
Bar, you know, underrated Three Musketeers.

Speaker 4 (28:24):
Mark.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
I'm glad you brought that up. I have not had
one in a while. Fat free are they? I think
that are fat free? I remember a commercial about this.

Speaker 4 (28:38):
It was right after like a special k Cereal commercial
like this is good for you too.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
Okay, what's in the fine print at the bottom of
the screen. I didn't say carb free. I think I
think they might be fat free. I don't know if
that's straight.

Speaker 8 (28:50):
They were lying to you.

Speaker 2 (28:51):
They're too good to be fat.

Speaker 4 (28:53):
You saw that maybe they had a fat free flavor.
You remember they're gone so.

Speaker 2 (28:57):
Fat low fat, lower fat, not fat free. How low
is low?

Speaker 7 (29:02):
It contain less percent fat than other leading candy bars.

Speaker 4 (29:08):
Well, I guess not if we're having those like come on,
all right, well, since we're doing this, least favorite for
me is candy corn.

Speaker 3 (29:16):
Can't stand it, hate it with the passion, will never
eat it a day of my life ever.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
Again, that's so typical. When's the last time you tried it?
Thirty years ago? Like, I don't know. That's one of
those things I hated the first time.

Speaker 3 (29:26):
I ate it when I was like six, Or this
an acquired taste like grow pond okay, spicy for ground mustard.

Speaker 4 (29:33):
You're right, it's still not very good. I would go whoppers.
Marco Mark's mouth is a gape. Chocolate mold is not good.
I don't like it in milkshakes. I don't like it
in whoppers. It's a weird texture to it. It's like
chewing on a chalkboard. I already don't like nails on
a chalkboard, but chewing on it.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
No thanks.

Speaker 3 (29:54):
I don't know what whopper is definitely not my favorite,
but I wouldn't say that I hate it. If there's
a box of Whoppers, yeah, I'll pop them. Oh you don't.

Speaker 4 (30:00):
Why No, that's a whopper of a nugget from you.
I can't believe I'm with a guy here who likes whoppers.
There's two types of people in the world, Bree.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
What's your least favorite?

Speaker 8 (30:09):
I don't, Oh, I don't.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
I think I love all cherry sour patch.

Speaker 7 (30:12):
No, I think I love all candy. I don't like
the kisses. I don't like Hershey's kisses. I don't really
like that. That's like my least What about the hugs?
Anything kind of like milk chocolate I don't like like.
I will always go dark chocolate, So I don't like
milk chocolates.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
Okay, but were you always that way?

Speaker 7 (30:28):
Because dark chocolate analyzed on my candy choices?

Speaker 4 (30:32):
Well, there's no other reason to do this dark chocolate.
Over the last fifteen years, it went from indie to
mainstream real dark chocolate. Yeah, there used to be a
Hershey's Special Dark. You remember if you got a Hershey's
or those many kit cats or good Bars or regular
the little square.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
Wise don't get a variety pack though.

Speaker 4 (30:50):
There was one called Hershey's Special Dark, and I remember
it from twenty five years ago, and my sister was
into it, but not many people were. And now you
can't get through a Trader Joe's without grabbing some dark
ass chocolate bar like you wouldn't believe it says like
ninety percent.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
I don't know what it means.

Speaker 8 (31:06):
Because it's good for your heart.

Speaker 3 (31:09):
Everything that starts out healthy on the fringe is becomes
mainstream and then they take that healthy product and just
injected with a bunch of fat stuff all over again
so more people will buy it.

Speaker 2 (31:16):
And just it's a loop. That's what they did to
my Three Musketeers. Yeah, it's a loop that never closes.
You know, Mark not a fan of licorice, the red vine,
no licorice on that. I'm with you on that red
or black, big fan of candy corner, but no licorice.
I will not do liquoric. What about that He just
threw you for a loop there with a candy corn.

Speaker 3 (31:35):
Well, clearly, Mark's taste buds are are very much a compromise.

Speaker 2 (31:38):
At this point in time. You need a taste bud transplant.

Speaker 3 (31:41):
But the we used to have a coworker who worked
here at Fox Sports Radio, the late Frank Pollock. Rest
in peace to Frank. I love Frank.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
Used to love black licorice.

Speaker 6 (31:50):
That was.

Speaker 3 (31:51):
He was the only person I knew he would have
a ginormous box of black licorice and just go to town,
and I will never have never understood it.

Speaker 4 (31:58):
I've come around on black liquor because I've had it
so many times with jelly bellies, because they have a
black liquorice one, And now I kind of like it.
It's kind of the acquired taste of you either love
salt and vinegar chips or you hate them. There is
no one between. Black licorice is even more polarizing. But
I do kind of like it now. It took some time.
I had to become an adult.

Speaker 7 (32:18):
It's different than a jelly bean versus like the actual
like like licorice form.

Speaker 4 (32:23):
But I like the licorice form because then you can
use it as like a straw for your soda.

Speaker 8 (32:27):
Can you were just saying you just to like it
from the jelly belly.

Speaker 3 (32:31):
You just were from saying, I'm the adult in the room,
just saying I use licorice as a straw in my soda.

Speaker 6 (32:35):
Can.

Speaker 2 (32:35):
That's what I make sure that you recall. You know
that you made that sentence.

Speaker 4 (32:38):
Just now, Look, I'm a fat kid that loves cake
like the fifty cents. On the inside, I'm I'm dreaming
about going to Willie Wanka's factory and getting the golden ticket,
like you and me both on that. I got designs
on what I'd like to do to some of these
chocolate bars going on here.

Speaker 3 (32:54):
I aspired to be Augustus Gloop in a different lifetime
at one point.

Speaker 4 (32:57):
Wait, wait, there's something maybe worse than whoppers, and it
just it just occurred to me because of what Mark said.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
You don't like licorice. You don't like even a red
rope at a game, No red rope nothing.

Speaker 4 (33:10):
Okay, if you say though that you don't like that,
but you do like Twizzlers, We're going to have a
problem here.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
Do you like Twizzlers? No, that is like remember.

Speaker 4 (33:21):
The wax lips that you get, wax lip candy. That's
what Twizzlers is. It's not even real, like you shouldn't
be eating it. It's just plastic to me. To me,
I like licorice, but Twizzlers it's flavorless. I can't stand it.
And Brian Seeman, voice of the Clippers, who had the
call on Kawhi on a Game Winner tonight, He and

(33:42):
Carlo Jimenez said that's his favorite candy. Imagine saying Twizzlers,
that's your favorite candy, Like.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
That's shocking to me. I am speechless. Yeah, well Twizzlers
will do that too, I.

Speaker 3 (33:58):
Says Brian Semen, seven years old as well.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
He is a guy who's known for eating ice cream
for dinner.

Speaker 4 (34:04):
He yes, well that answers the question, right, interesting tastes
and taste buds himself here. I'm sorry, did we just
get through an entire segment talking about candy on Halloween?

Speaker 3 (34:14):
No? I mean it's Halloween. I mean yeah, you're right,
the stereotypical. We said we weren't going to do it,
and damn it, we did it. I blame John Schneider
for this. It's all his fault because.

Speaker 4 (34:25):
We're adults now and we haven't been satiated because we
don't get to go trigger treating anymore, at least without
people frowning upon us.

Speaker 3 (34:33):
Yes, as they should. By the way, wait a second,
something I'm not going to frown upon is coming up next.
I think we have geek News, and I think it
might be featuring more Halloween movies.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
Adam, we got to pay this off.

Speaker 4 (34:45):
Three more categories left, including current Halloween movies. Since we
did eighties and nineties last week here on f and
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Speaker 4 (35:16):
All right, speaking of the whoror, we got to finish
off my horribly long list of Halloween movies. You should
be watching until twelve o'clock tonight, so you got ten
minutes to watch the rest of these movies on the
West coast.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
Yeah last, so the East coast you're already into November,
but you can still watch them.

Speaker 4 (35:33):
By the hell, not call him the leftovers? Whatever, Mark
do We got a scary music here. Last week we
had nineties horror movies and two thousand horror movies. Now
we move into a horror subgenre called freaky foreigner flicks.
But don't let them make you a xenophobe or xenophobic.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
Let the right one.

Speaker 4 (35:51):
In a vampire movie that was turned into an American
one later on Wolf Creek one and two, where you
meet Australia's Freddy Krueger Roikey. Another scary Australian movie is
The Loved Ones.

Speaker 3 (36:04):
Does he have like a demon dingo or something that
he has alongside him?

Speaker 4 (36:08):
They should add that in the third one because I
think they're still going. I would love that didn't go.
Definitely it's your baby if it's his. The Loved Ones
is another Australian movie. Hell Hath no Fury? Like a
woman scorn from being stood up on her prom night.
Here's a tough watch for you know what. I'm not
even gonna say that one. There's one called Martyrs from

(36:29):
two thousand and eight. It's so scary I can't say
the name of it.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
Audition.

Speaker 4 (36:35):
Another four and one Trained to Busan two thousand and
six is Monsterflick The host a girl walks home alone.
Kind of already farty, but it's pretty good. What about
Funny Games?

Speaker 2 (36:50):
It's a doesn't sound very scary.

Speaker 4 (36:52):
Well, it's a home invasion for people that were on vacation.
It's it's not that funny. It's called funny games.

Speaker 6 (36:58):
Some of you people don't like my says a him.

Speaker 4 (37:01):
Lastly, here in this category, if you like Michael Fassbender
a great actor, he fights a bunch.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
Of kids in this movie called Eden Lake, who wins. Well,
there's a lot of kids, okay.

Speaker 3 (37:15):
Next is just like the the A Thousand Guys versus
a gorilla thing that was going around for a while basically.

Speaker 4 (37:21):
And he doesn't have his magneto powers. Next is the
category you were a little scared but then you laughed.
Horror movies that are also comedic in nature films like
Sean of the Dead one of the best ever, Evil
Dead two, Army of Darkness both ghostbusters.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
There's only two of them. There's only two.

Speaker 4 (37:41):
The Grindhouse films by Robert Rodriguez and Quentin Tarantino, Planet
Terror and Death Proof from Dust Till Dawn. The second
half is absurd, but it's fun. Under the Silver Lake
with Andrew Garfield Mom and Dad, where parents in the
world are all trying to kill their children.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
Well it sounds very uplifting. Yeah, I don't get.

Speaker 4 (38:02):
It, but it's got a nick cage and it's pretty good.
The first Zombie Land, second one Whatever, The Lost Boys
of course from the eighties.

Speaker 3 (38:13):
Funny Grant It's been a long time since I've seen it,
but I don't remember it being really a lot of
comedic relief in that.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
Key for Sutherlands.

Speaker 4 (38:21):
Scary, but I mean they have like water pistols they're
using to kill the vampires. And then the last it
ends with a joke.

Speaker 3 (38:28):
Okay, I don't it's been so long since i've seen it.
I guess I don't really remember. This is why are
you making that face?

Speaker 2 (38:34):
You didn't think it was funny?

Speaker 8 (38:35):
I have never seen it, lost boys, I've heard about.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
It, all right. Have you heard about Tucker and Dale
Versus Evil?

Speaker 6 (38:44):
No?

Speaker 8 (38:44):
Unfortunately not.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
Well, it's funny and you.

Speaker 4 (38:45):
Should watch it was very campy, it is, but it's
in on the joke Control Hunter, the indie goonies movie.
It's like Goonies, but indie and lesser known. It's called
Monster Squad. And then of course Tremors final category. I
saw these recently. They're relatively new horror movies that are

(39:06):
worth your time. The Witch, that's the best horror movie
since The Shining to Me, Insidious, The Conjuring one and two,
NFL Creation Creep one and two, both on Netflix. It
follows The Invitation, Lights Out, Berlin syndrome. The Pack about
a family having to survive.

Speaker 2 (39:24):
Way, what's Berlin syndrome? It happens in Berlin.

Speaker 3 (39:26):
Well, I I kind of figured that is there, Like
is there like the Haunted Schnitzel or something like, what
are we doing?

Speaker 4 (39:32):
It's not Stockholm syndrome. It's Berlin syndrome, dammit, right. But
the Pack has a bunch of dogs going after a family.

Speaker 2 (39:40):
It's scary. It comes at night.

Speaker 4 (39:42):
The Gift with Jason Bateman, Oculus Gerald's game Terrifier one
and two. I need to see three. It's got a
crazy clown in it.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
I don't do clowns.

Speaker 3 (39:53):
Sorry, they're scary.

Speaker 4 (39:54):
That's why the New Itch show that's out on HBO.
I need to watch it because part one of the
new it was very good. Part two suck, just like
the original with Jonathan Brandis.

Speaker 2 (40:05):
That's a scary situation for a different reason. I'll leave that.

Speaker 3 (40:07):
I'll leave all the ones to you, all right.

Speaker 4 (40:10):
Lastly, the Ritual on Netflix, and I have some others,
but they're gonna have to keep us on for another
year and then I'll release the rest of these movies.

Speaker 3 (40:19):
Johne talking about clown Killer Clowns from out of Space
didn't make the cut.

Speaker 4 (40:21):
Huh No, the Blob wasn't on here. Attack of the
Killer Tomatoes didn't make it?

Speaker 2 (40:28):
Should have maybe?

Speaker 3 (40:29):
All right? Coming up next on FSR is the NFL
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Speaker 1 (40:34):
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Speaker 4 (40:45):
Some people are chiming in talking about the horribly long
horror movie marathon that just ended, because it's no you
know what in Hawaii there you could still be watching
this movie.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
It's still October thirty. First, it's still Halloween.

Speaker 4 (41:03):
Our guy Big Lou chimed in about the funny genre
and said honorable mention Idle Hands with Jessica Alba, which
made a lot of young men not have idle hands.
Back when this came out, this was a big deal.
This was one of her first movies. I remember she
was in the show Flipper that was on Saturday mornings.

Speaker 3 (41:22):
I remember the show was remember Okay, I don't remember.
I didn't really watch it that much.

Speaker 2 (41:26):
You love dolphins, echo the Dolphins.

Speaker 3 (41:27):
I do love Echo the Dolphins one of my favorite
video games, Echo the Tides of Time, the spinoff of
that even better.

Speaker 4 (41:32):
Puzzle games that are very difficult that I never got
past like twenty minutes in. But she was in Idle Hands,
and so was the band.

Speaker 2 (41:39):
Offspring I remember, I don't know why.

Speaker 4 (41:41):
But also the kid who was in a lot of
It's nerth nerf or nothing commercials, he was in it
Idle Hands nineties classic. Oh Scott Green or Seth Green?

Speaker 2 (41:53):
What was his name?

Speaker 3 (41:54):
There was a Seth Green who was pretty big from
Zarah Scott Green as.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
Well Robot Chicken. Yes, that's what I was thinking of. Yeah,
he's in it too, Okay.

Speaker 4 (42:02):
Idle Hands, thank you, Big lou at follow out of
May if you want to give us any more movie
recommendations even though Halloween is technically over.

Speaker 3 (42:08):
Yeah, Or if you want to chime in about your
favorite or at least favorite and or at least favorite candies,
you can do that as well. A k fig one
and follow out of May you do that as well.

Speaker 4 (42:16):
We spend enough time on it, why can't we keep going?
It's because we're we're not getting anything now, like we're
too old. We can't eat candy. You don't know what
it's like. I mean, can't outrun your diet once.

Speaker 2 (42:33):
You get older. No matter what you do, it's not fair.
It's very depressing.

Speaker 4 (42:37):
I thought it was just calories in, calories burned, but
when you get older, it's just different. You eat poorly
and you look disgusting.

Speaker 2 (42:44):
Quick.

Speaker 3 (42:44):
Yeah, once snickers will set you back about a month
and a half. So it's hard out here. It's hard
getting old enjoy youth.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
But snickers satisfies hunger.

Speaker 4 (42:54):
Probably not for a month and a half though, so
they say, all right, let's satisfy the NFL Conversation with
our weekly addition. As we're halfway through the season of
the NFL six.

Speaker 1 (43:05):
Pack, time for the NFL six Pack six hot Seat
heat Check.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
Thank you Mark.

Speaker 3 (43:14):
Yes, that is the first of our six categories as
we go around the NFL, the hot seat heat Check
coming in first. The coacher player under the most pressure
heading into this weekend. We'll start with you, Adam who
MEI yeah?

Speaker 6 (43:26):
Who me? Yes?

Speaker 3 (43:27):
Yes you Lebron.

Speaker 4 (43:28):
Well, let's start with the guy that tried to tell
you all last week about that Bears Ravens game.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
But did we listen at him. No, we don't listen
at him.

Speaker 4 (43:39):
Even without Lamar Jackson formerly Kevin's Raven formerly Kevin's Ravens
now Mine. Yeah, is that how this works?

Speaker 2 (43:48):
Sure?

Speaker 4 (43:48):
Why not they still beat the Bears without Lamar and
a quarterback? I said that would look young and inexperienced
in Caleb Williams while he did words, he looked like
a Bears quarterback, especially on that incompletion out of the
back of the end zone to end the game.

Speaker 3 (44:05):
Well, the clock management on that last drive was just atrocious.
Then he had to pick backed up on his own end,
which didn't help. I guess the Ravens defense that had
been terrible all year long. It's like not like I
just grabbed it out of thin air. I mean they've
been playing terribly. Now go back to this past Thursday
night and go back to last Sunday, things have changed
a little bit.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
Well.

Speaker 4 (44:25):
I tried to tell the Bears fans who thought they
were out of the woods with Caleb Williams next to
Big Ben Johnson. No, no, no, no, they're not a bear
lives in the woods. It's where At poops and then
wipes with Charman Ultrasoft TP. There's no escape from bad
quarterback play with this poopy franchise, And I think secretly

(44:46):
Bears fans are okay with this because all they want
to talk about is the eighty five Bears and that
defense and Walter Layton about Mike Ditka. Well they got
They hold onto that championship tighter than refrigerator Perry holds
onto a I says Chicago deep days.

Speaker 2 (45:01):
Mark, Mark, you're still holding on to that? Yeah, don't
let go. How do you move on? How do you
get better?

Speaker 3 (45:09):
I hold on to the Raiders winning the championship in
eighty six and Marcus Allen's run against the former Redskins.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
Are you allowed to see that at that time of
the year. I was not.

Speaker 3 (45:19):
It was actually if it most before I was born. Yeah,
I'm still hold on to it.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
NFL Films, that's right, got you covered the Bears though,
Hey go mar Yeah, Mark and knows what I'm talking about.

Speaker 4 (45:29):
They must have leftover parade confetti from that loan championship
and winning again might actually hurt the growing legend of
the eighty five Chicago Bears. They are winning the nostalgia
super Bowl every single year with how often they bring
it up, and they made a deal with the football
guys that if Jim McMahon could just throw.

Speaker 2 (45:50):
Fifteen touchdown passes, we'll never ask for anything from our.

Speaker 4 (45:54):
Quarterbacks ever again wish Granted he got his whopping fifteen
total touchdowns that season, they haven't had a capable quarterback
since then. Caleb Williams hold on too far.

Speaker 3 (46:06):
J Cutler wasn't that bad, even though things didn't end
there the Great in the greatest of light.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
Capable of smoking a pack of cigarettes, that's what he
was capable of. He was a solid player.

Speaker 3 (46:15):
Rex Grossman, Okay, he was bad and was carried by
his defense, so I'm not gonna use him.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
But Jay Culor was okay for a couple of years.

Speaker 4 (46:21):
Well, Caleb Williams may not be okay when all things
are said and done. He's currently twenty fourth in completion
percentage at sixty one point nine percent on the year
in Ben Johnson's offense, which is all about efficiency and
keeping the chains moving and taking what the defense gives you.
But Caleb Williams is streaky and still looking for the
big play rather than the simple one far too often.

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His QB rating is twentieth in the NFL. He's nineteenth
in touchdowns, He's thrown just nine. Spencer Rattler has eight
and he got benched. Dart has eight and he's played
like four games. He's no longer on pace by the
to be the first Bears quarterback to throw for four
thousand yards here, Caleb Williams. Sorry, so I'm calling them

(47:06):
Caleb Bills because I can't call them Caleb Williams with
these short or low passing numbers. You better show some
higher quality passes against a horrific Bengals defense this weekend
in Cincy, because I think they might lose the game,
the Bears, and if they do and he doesn't play well,
his seat is going to get hotter than the lit

(47:28):
end of my Ditka cigar laced with some of Ricky
Williams Sticky Ikey Icky, since he must have been smoking
something to trade all those picks for Ricky Williams back
in nineteen ninety nine.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
You don't do that for a running back.

Speaker 4 (47:39):
I'm sorry, but I know Bears fans they're saying, why
are you talking.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
About old stuff with Ditka?

Speaker 4 (47:45):
We'd rather talk about older stuff like the eighty five Bears.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
That's what it's all about.

Speaker 4 (47:51):
By the way, Ricky Williams still has the greatest quote
ever when he got suspended for smoking weed with the
Miami Dolphins and he said.

Speaker 3 (47:57):
Well, first of the second time one of them.

Speaker 4 (48:00):
He probably couldn't remember that either, because he said, quote,
I got high and forgot I wasn't supposed to get high, you.

Speaker 3 (48:08):
Want to get high, sat out and an entire season,
and came back like he never left.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
Very damn impressive.

Speaker 3 (48:16):
And by the way too, I do think and we
know that improvement, especially at the quarterback position, it is
almost never linear. I will say, if you watched the
Bears this year, Caleb Williams does look better than he
did last season. They basically now granted, he couldn't have
looked a lot worse the last couple of years, so
I'll give you that too. So it takes some incremental
improvements here. It's a different system that he's not used
to playing in. I think he's actually overall looked a

(48:39):
bit better than he did last season, and he's trending upward.

Speaker 6 (48:42):
Well.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
He better finished the season strong. He's not going anywhere.

Speaker 3 (48:45):
He was the first overall pick two seasons ago. Ben
Johnson just got there, and part of the reason he
took the job was for Caleb Williams is not playing
like Anthony Richardson. It's not that bad or JaMarcus Russell.

Speaker 4 (48:56):
But so he wasn't Ben Johnson's guy. Ben Johnson wasn't
the when he got.

Speaker 3 (49:00):
There, and Johnson part of the reason he took the
job was because he was there because the quarterback was
in place.

Speaker 4 (49:05):
Part of the reason he won't get fired is because
he'll say, hey, this wasn't my quarterback.

Speaker 3 (49:11):
Caleb Williams does not look like a complete and total loss,
cause at this point there's still talent there and ability
there that he had to coach some bad habitat of them.
I agree, it's like he had to do to a
certain degree. Jarrett Golf his first year in Detroit wasn't
that great. Look, I'm just saying improved.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
Under Ben Johnson. The more and more he stayed in
that system.

Speaker 4 (49:27):
If he struggles against this Bengals defense, well look he's
on the hot seat.

Speaker 6 (49:31):
Baby.

Speaker 3 (49:31):
He let up the Cowboys defense earlier this year. So
the few teams are worse defensively than the Cowboys other
than the Bengals. So to that from that standpoint, you're right.
So let's see exactly how he performs.

Speaker 2 (49:41):
Who's your hot seat.

Speaker 3 (49:42):
I'm going to Mike Tomlin and the Pittsburgh Steelers. Now, granted,
if you look at the way the season started, the
over under win total for them heading into the year
was eight and a half games, and if you look
at their record, they're four and three, right on track,
kind of white where they should be if you think
they're going to be an eight win to nine win team.
But circumstances change, and I'm that's part of what factored
into that win total was the fact that the AFC

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North was supposed to be one of the better divisions
in all of football this year. The over under for
the Ravens coming into the season was eleven and a
half victories.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
For the Bengals it was nine and a half.

Speaker 3 (50:12):
Now, considering that how bad Baltimore has been, granted they've
won two in a row, I don't know if I'd
say they look great in winning either of them, to
be honest with the Miami shot themselves in the foot
so many times Thursday, especially in the first half of
that game. Anyway, you take wins, however, you oh, we're
back for now until they lose two or three more
games and they're out of it.

Speaker 2 (50:29):
Then they're out.

Speaker 3 (50:30):
And the Bengals, obviously losing Joe Burrow changed everything for them.
So the level of expectation for the Steelers should have
been raised, even just a little bit, just knowing that
the competition within the division wouldn't be as tough. Problem is,
they have not risen to the level of their new expectations.
If you look at Aaron Rodgers production, his numbers are
not that far off from being or finishing off where
they were last season. He was fine, he's been okay,

(50:52):
but he's not been the issue for them. Despite the
fact they have a winning record right now, they've been
averaged to below average in pretty much every statistical category.
Eleventh in scoring, offense okay, twenty fifth in total yards,
which is hard to do with that dichotomy. Yeah, defense,
they've been terrible, thirtieth in total yards allowed, twenty second
in points allowed.

Speaker 2 (51:11):
That's shocking.

Speaker 3 (51:12):
Yeah, this is supposed to be a team that's led
by its defense, keep games close and allow Aaron Rodgers
and Metcalfe and the offense to make enough big plays
to be able to win games for you. And by
the way, it's not like they're the Chargers. The Chargers
have all these injuries. Three fifths of their offensive line
is banged up. All these defensive players are out.

Speaker 2 (51:28):
What's the Steelers' excuse? Jj Watts washed? Maybe because he's there.

Speaker 3 (51:33):
All their guys are there, high Smith, all of their
best players have been playing.

Speaker 2 (51:37):
Don't Cam Hayward highest paid defense in the league. I
don't like that.

Speaker 3 (51:41):
Possibly they have all these dudes with all this name
in cachet value with Jaylen Rant, all these guys, and
none of them guys that have miss have missed games
due to the injury. Deshaun Elliott's gonna miss this week.
They just placed them on injury reserve. Their starting safety
is really good player, but he's been there. Yeah, so
it's not health. I don't know if it's execution. I

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don't know if it's Mike Tomlins system running thin or
whatever the issue might be. But I do think of
his next stretch of games for them, and it starts
with the Colts. This weekend is critical. Now you play
the Colts, then you play the Chargers in primetime in LA,
which will be a home game for the Steelers.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
If we're to be honest with you, Oh, Kevin.

Speaker 3 (52:20):
I went to Sofi Stadium when the Chargers played the
Steelers a couple of years ago.

Speaker 2 (52:24):
Trust me, it is insane. Yeah, first hand knowledge is unbelievable.

Speaker 3 (52:28):
Damn near graded terrible time myself, and I'm a radar fan, Huck.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
I got caught up in the moment. No, this is
a light nig ball towel. That's not a terrible towel.

Speaker 3 (52:35):
Then they have a rematch after that Charger game against
Joe Flacko on the Bengals, who gave it to him
a couple of weeks ago on a Thursday night. So
I'm in the ever shrinky minority of people who say
that Baltimore is still cooked when it comes to winning
the division. But that thought process was always reliant on
the fact that the Steelers will be playing better than
they're playing right now.

Speaker 2 (52:53):
I thought their defense would come around, so did I.

Speaker 4 (52:55):
To be honest with you, I thought it would have
happened last week, which is why I took them plus
three against the Green Bay Packers.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
It look good until the fourth quarter.

Speaker 3 (53:02):
Like look for Baltimore, you can say, like all right, now, Granted,
when they were healthy, they were you know, and they
were bad as well, but then guys started falling off
your Hamilton's and a bunch of other guys. Now Hamilton's
back and they're playing a little bit better these last
couple of weeks. You can't say that about Pittsburgh. So
even though based on a lot of sportsbooks, surprisingly so,
Raven's still the favorite to win the division. Uh, the
North will almost never be easier to win right now

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if you're Pittsburgh, But you got to take care of
your business.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
Who's the king in the North exactly?

Speaker 3 (53:27):
You don't somehow, if you don't win the division, you
somehow end up missing the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (53:32):
And I want to ask Trey Wingo about this.

Speaker 3 (53:34):
I know that these Pittsburgh Seiler organization is very, very patient.

Speaker 2 (53:39):
When it comes to their head coaches. They never fire coaches.
We don't live in that world anymore, though we don't.

Speaker 3 (53:44):
Things are changing and Mike Tomlin's been there for a
long time and has not won a playoff game in
a long time. And I'm just wondering, if things go south,
could we see the end of the Mike Tomlin era
in Pittsburgh this year?

Speaker 4 (53:54):
Well, if I see him on the sideline trying to
stop a kick return, by walking into a play. That's
when I know the end is near us.

Speaker 3 (54:02):
Next level commitment speaking of the end being near, the
end is near for us right now because we have
to get out of here and join Trey Wingo.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
This is a big deal.

Speaker 4 (54:10):
Yeah, Trey Wingo, you knew him for twenty three years
on the Evil four Letter and specifically with one of
the best shows on there. Hour NFL Live was must
see TV and he made it an incredible watch. And
now we get to talk to him about the NFL.
Trey Wingo coming up next, It's FNA on FSR.

Speaker 1 (54:34):
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Speaker 6 (54:45):
We're gonna have a little Q and a.

Speaker 3 (54:47):
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Speaker 2 (55:23):
He used to work for the Evil four Letter, but
now he's out on his own. Let's get to it,
Alan Dragon did thank you Gutty Well.

Speaker 4 (55:31):
Believe it or not, there was a time when ESPN
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they had hosts with integrity and a commitment to bringing
factual information and insight like this man who held NFL
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And I was mad as hell when he left. But
the honest analysis continues over on his YouTube channel Straight

(55:53):
Fax Homie, where he has mossed the competition with no
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Speaker 2 (55:58):
So go there and win win.

Speaker 4 (56:00):
Go It's Tray Wind go joining us here on FNA
on Fox Sports Radio, Trey, how are you hey?

Speaker 6 (56:06):
Good to be with you guys, and always good to
talk to you.

Speaker 2 (56:09):
Let's start with this.

Speaker 4 (56:10):
The Ravens win on Thursday night the three and five.
Do you have them back in the driver's seat now
to win the NFC North or AFC North.

Speaker 6 (56:20):
Well, you know it's interesting, right. I think there's every
potential for them to do that, but they have to
continue what they did on Thursday night. Their schedule over
the next few games is very favorable. I think they've
got the Browns, the Vikings, the Bengals. I mean, it's
a very and the Jets in there. They just got
to take care of business. You know, Vegas has them
as the betting odds right now to win win that division,

(56:42):
and it certainly helped that the Packers lost that Sunday
night game. Excuse me, the Steelers lost that Sunday night
game to the Packers. They've got to do it, though
it's in front of them, and you know, you look
at the numbers and you talk about things that we
try to talk about on the Straight Backs Homely podcast.
When Lamar Jackson missed those three games, the offense scored
fourteen point something points a game. In the games that

(57:03):
Lamar's played, they're averaging over thirty one points a game.
So it's a big fricking deal that he's back and
the defense has gotten better. You know. The big thing
for me was watching how the defense played this past
Sunday against the Chicago Bears. You know, they Caleb and
No Company came in, I think, on a four game
winning streak, and they really took care of business defensively.
They got a late turnover to seal that game, essentially

(57:24):
with that interception near the goal line. And if that
defense can I mean they were horrible. The Ravens defense
was horrible for the first few weeks of the season.
They can tighten up that defense and you know you're
going to score points with Lamar. I think there's every
reason to consider that they absolutely could be back in
the networks. You know, they got to.

Speaker 3 (57:40):
Keep winning and Trey talk about tightening up defense. We
talked a little bit last segment about the Pittsburgh Steelers,
and I don't know if Mike Tomins on the hot seat.
The Steelers notoriously do not firehad coaches. They've only had
three in the last fifty years or whatever it is.
But you thought the division might be there for the taking,
considering the slow start that the Ravens got off to
They have a big matchup this weekend against Indianapolis. Their
defense has been atrocious this year and it's usually able

(58:00):
to carry them. Do you think now that Mike Tomlins
had a few buys of the apple at the quarterback position,
can you pick it didn't work out?

Speaker 2 (58:06):
They've had some others.

Speaker 3 (58:07):
Do you think it's within the realm of possibility that
if this season goes south that there could be a
change at the top in Pittsburgh.

Speaker 6 (58:14):
Well, it's possible. But to your point, and this is
one of my favorite stats in football, and it's not
really a football stat, but bear with me. Since nineteen seventy,
Since nineteen seventy, we've had three head coaches for the
Pittsburgh Steelers, Chuck Nole, Bill Kauer, and Mike Tomlin. Over
that timeframe, we've had five popes. I mean, they do.

(58:34):
They do not make changes in Pittsburgh, is what I'm
trying to tell you. It is not something they do lightly.
It's not something they consider a lot. But you know, listen,
they haven't won a playoff game, and I know they
you know it's Sicksburg. They have as many Lombardi Trophies
as anybody. They haven't won a playoff game since before
the Chiefs drafted Patrick Mahomes. Their last playoff win came

(58:55):
in January of twenty seventeen, ironically against the Chiefs, and
since then they have not won a single playoff game.
So I don't think it's beyond the realm. Even though
you know, Chuck Noll retired, Bill Cower walked away, they
don't really make changes in Pittsburgh. But after the start
that they had and the start that the Ravens had,
if it does fall apart, I think you have to

(59:17):
consider that as a real possibility. And I want to
be clear, Mike Commins a great coach, and I think
if he's let go or if he walks away, he'll
be hired almost immediately. But sometimes the message gets stale, right.
Bill Cower once said you shouldn't be anywhere more than
ten years, and he stayed a little more than ten.
And you know, Mike's been there a long time now,
so it might be a situation even though he's never

(59:39):
had a losing season. No other coach can say that
over their coaching career, not Bill Belichick, not Tom Landry,
not Chuck No, not Don Stula, nobody, not Andy Reid.
Nobody can make that claim, but they're sort of victims
of their own success in that way, because you know,
when they drafted Tenny Pickett, he was what twenty if
or twenty first in twenty twenty one, yep, And he

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was the only quarterback taking in the first round that year.
You know, when you win just enough games to not
be terrible, you don't really ever get the bite of
the apple of the guy that can come in like
Ben Roethlisberger did in two thousand and four and sort
of change the entire situation. So I certainly think it's possible.
I wouldn't bet on it because, like we said, the

(01:00:20):
historical president, but at some point you have to say,
all right, whatever we're doing isn't working, and we've got
to try and way to figure it out.

Speaker 4 (01:00:27):
The smoke's not coming out of the chimney a time soon.
Maybe for the Pittsburgh when it comes to that coaching change,
we got Trey Wien go here on f and A
on FSR and sticking with the head coaches. We got
the news that Mike McDaniel looks to be staying on
with the Miami Dolphins. Were you surprised by this move,
Why not clean house fully right now?

Speaker 6 (01:00:45):
Trey, Well, listen, it's one thing to say it, it's
another thing to do it right. They felt like they
had to do something, and Chris Career is gone now.
But like, let's say they win two or three more games,
you're not bringing back Mike McDaniel. Like, it's one thing
to say it now, it's another thing to do it later.

(01:01:07):
So I guess I'm skeptical, quite frankly, of I don't
really believe a lot of what Stephen Ross has to say,
whether he wants to admit it or not. They told
Brian Flores when he was the head coach there, we
want to lose, and Brian was like, few, I'm not
doing that. I want to win. And that's that created
the discrepancy that got him out of there as the

(01:01:27):
head coach. So I hear what he says, but it's
like that line from the from Anchorman, I don't believe you.
So I'm just I'm not. I'm not fully convinced that
that's actually going to be the case when it's all
said and nine. It's easy to say it now. It's
another thing when you have five wins, you know, or
six wins out of seventeen games. It's it's a totally

(01:01:50):
different dynamic.

Speaker 4 (01:01:51):
You say a line from Anchorman, I'm like, is he
going to take a shot at San Diego?

Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
What's happening right now?

Speaker 6 (01:01:57):
Stay classy, Samdy exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:02:00):
No hitting of the hair or face. Other than that,
that's it. No Trey Wingo joining us here fn A
on FSR.

Speaker 6 (01:02:05):
Trey.

Speaker 3 (01:02:06):
I know you're a big proponent of Jonathan Taylor as
the front runner for League MVP, and he's a name.
Despite his numbers and despite as well as Indianapolis has
been playing. For some reason, he seems to go under
the radar. The favor for a lot of people is
Baker Mayfield and Tampa. Just a little bit of explaining
on your part, as so, why do you think Jonathan
Taylor should be the front runner And do you think
that Baker Mayfield is somebody else is even in a
close running with him at this point?

Speaker 6 (01:02:28):
Well, actually, the Betty favorite now is Mahomes after the
last few games that the Chiefs of Trail ripped off.
But look, here's my way to look at it. Like
Mahomes leads in certain things in certain categories, Drake may
leads in certain categories, and Josh Allen leads in certain categories. Right,
they're all sort of they all sort of have their case.
And let's be honest about what the MVP is. It's

(01:02:48):
become who's the best quarterback with the best numbers on
a playoff team like that. That's what it is. With
all due respected Josh Allen, who played great last year,
you can make a very convincing argument Joe Burrell played better.
You go look at his numbers. They just didn't make
the postseason. That was a big part of it. So
you have to sort of factor that into the equation.
The reason I am a big proponent of Jonathan Taylor

(01:03:10):
is that the outlier statistic that he has is that
he's dominating in a way that is so much better
than even James Cook, who has just about one hundred
yards the last after a two hundred and sixteen yard
performance against the Panthers. But Jonathan Taylor has twelve rushing
touchdowns and two receiving touchdowns. You extrapolate that over a
seventeen game schedule. We're talking about thirty thirty plus touchdowns

(01:03:33):
on the season. James Cook has seven rushing touchdowns and
no receiving touchdowns. So he's looking at say seventeen, We'll
give him maybe twenty to throw in a couple of
receiving touchdowns over the seventeen game schedule, that's a ten
to eleven touchdown differential, and if that continues at that pace,
that's a really hard thing. Like I would say, Jonathan
Taylor because of that, and the way the Colts finish

(01:03:54):
and the way the Colts are so good in the
red zone, that to me puts him in the out
liars status because bing off the drives to win games
by converting touchdowns in the red zone and not settling
for field goals. And I just feel like the way
Jonathan Taylor has played, he's put himself squarely in position.

(01:04:15):
I think he's farther ahead of the next best running
back than any of those previously mentioned quarterbacks, whether it's
Baker Mayfield, Jared Goff, Drake May, Josh Allen, Patrick Holmes,
they all have something, but I think that Jonathan has
widened the gap between himself and everybody else. And you
have to respect that.

Speaker 3 (01:04:35):
No doubt. You know, Trey, you mentioned Drake may and
he's been obviously playing phenomenally well for the Patriots this year,
if you were to redraft last year's quarterbacks with Caleb Williams,
who has shown some incremental improvements on a week's week
basis at this point in time. Obviously, Jane Daniels was
phenomenal last year, but he's been banged up this year.

Speaker 2 (01:04:52):
Yeah, Bo Nicks, who's been sort of up and down.

Speaker 3 (01:04:54):
McCarthy's getting ready to get back into the lineup for Minnesota.
If you were to redraft twenty twenty four, who would
be the first quarter of fact that you would take?

Speaker 6 (01:05:02):
Well, I mean, it's always one of those interesting conversations
because you can't right exactly. Last year a lot of people,
a lot of people would have said a lot of
people said j Daniels, I would have take them number one.
This year, I think a lot of people would say
Drake May. The point I want to get to is that,
you know, we're always in such a rush to judge,
Like just two years ago, I mean, I swear to

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God on my old network, just two years ago, people
are like, oh, CJ. Stroud, the next competition for Patrick Mahomes, Right, guys,
come on, one season, We're talking one, you know, three
games into the season before j before JJ McCarthy got hurt,
Okay before JJ McCarthy got hurt, and they won that
game against the Bears on Monday night, get up the

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next morning and said, would you rather have JJ McCarthy
or Caleb Williams After one game? One game? It's like, guys,
we don't need to do this all the time. We
can talk about this person's doing this well and this
person is not doing this well. But it mean pick
or choose, you know, hot sauce or radishes. It doesn't
have to be that. So I guess my question to

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you is I think I would lean toward Drake may
but I can't give you a definitive answer because we
just don't have enough of a sample for any of
these guys. Yet. Look at all the reclamation projects in
the NFL. A quarterback Sam Darnold is doing great things
in Seattle to doing great things in Minnesota after learning
behind rock Perty in San Francisco, after failing out in
New York. Baker Mayfield crash and burned in Cleveland because

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Cleveland's a hot mess. And then he goes to where
he's the scout defensive end for the Carolina Panthers. They
had him blank defensive end of the Scout team. Then
he goes gets traded to La wins that miraculous game
on a Thursday night against the Raiders a couple of
years ago, and Boom suddenly is a legend in Tampa Bay.
We are so quick to judge all of these guys
that we don't give them a chance to grow after

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they fail. So I'm not convinced at this point to
say anybody's better than anybody, because we're only a few
games into seas in two with all of these guys.

Speaker 4 (01:07:01):
Srey talking about quick to judge. Many had written off
the Kansas City Chiefs early on in the season. Do
they look just as dangerous as ever?

Speaker 6 (01:07:10):
And now to you, well here yes, and that's nothing
that drove me crazy, right, Oh, the Chiefs offensive sale,
they didn't have anybody, okay, they if your Worthy got
hurt on the third play of the season and missed
three games, Rashie Rice was serving a six game suspension,
and then one happens when Worthy comes back. They scored
thirty seven points against the Ravens and really get their

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season going. And then one happens when Rice comes back.
They scored thirty one and twenty eight, and they'd scored
at least twenty eight points in five straight games. Now
here's the thing for the Chiefs. I believe this Chiefs team,
and a lot of people in the organization believe this
team is actually better and more talented than the team
that went nine to zero. But if they don't figure things,

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if they don't continue this over the next four games,
it doesn't matter. Their next four games are at Buffalo,
by at Denver, both for the Colts Dallas Cowboys. And
I know the Cowboys are kind of a mess, but
they'll put off a lot of points if they go
four and oh in that stretch, Christy goodbye. I mean,
we'll see in the AFC Championship game. We just don't

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know whether it's going to be an arrowhead or somewhere else.
If they go two and two, maybe they go three
and one. I feel really good about it. But you know,
I believe they're as good as they've ever been. And
this is by far the most complete offense I think
Patrick Mahomes has ever had with the running game. Right now, Statistically, guys,
Kareem Hunt on third and short and fourth and short

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is a surer bet than the Toush push that's how good.
And the balances I mean, like notoriously, in the first
few years of Mahomes's regime, the Chiefs were terrible on
third and short and fourth or short. They didn't have
a short yardage situation. Well, when they got Hunt back
last year, he has been an absolute hammer for them,
and again this year statistically on third and short or

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fourth and short, Hunt is more of a sure thing
than the Toush push. So they've got all kinds of
ways they can beat you, but they still got to
go out there and play. They sort of wasted their
whatever wiggled room they have after the two started blowing
that Monday night game against Jacksonville when they scored to
take the lead with under two minutes to play and
then Bucker kicks it out of bounds. They give up
a long one on third and seven, and you know,

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Trevor Lawrence falls down and they still can't tackle him.
Then he scores the game winning touchdown. So there's just
there's a lot of things that are working right for
Kansas City, but unless they finish games, it's not gonna
be enough. I think they can. The question is are
they going to do it? Tray.

Speaker 3 (01:09:31):
You brought up Dallas Cowboys a minute ago when they
got me thinking about a report. So you made some
news a couple of about ten days ago or so
saying the Cowboys were inquiring about a potential trade for
Max Crosby from the Raiders. The Raiders came out and
shot that down. Just your take on the Cowboys situation
in general is interesting because obviously they trade away Micha
Parsons get a couple of first round picks, But you
turn around all of a sudden and pursue someone like

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Max Crosby, who's probably going to cost you two first
round picks if you tried to trade for him.

Speaker 2 (01:09:55):
So what exactly are the Cowboys doing?

Speaker 3 (01:09:57):
And then your reporting from your sourcing, what would have
gone into their thinking and trading for Max Crosby as
opposed to just keeping Michah Parsons, Well.

Speaker 6 (01:10:04):
That would have made sense, right instead of doing this.
I mean, guys, it's living proof to me that the
Cowboys don't have a plan right, And I can extrapolate
this not only with the Max Crosby trade in the
Micah Parsons trade situation, but also what they did in
the off season, right, they signed George Pickens. Are they
trade for George Pittens rather knowing full well he's on

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the last year of his deal, right, and George Pickens,
the way he's playing, is going to get a huge contract, right.
So when you sign someone like our trade for someone
like George Pickens, you're basically saying, hey, man, it's a
one year situation. Let's see what happens, right, Let's see
what we can do. Well. Then you go ahead and
trade your best defensive player and you become, statistically, for

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many most of the season, the worst defense in football.
You then are basically saying, well, we're not really in
it for this year, and we're going to try and
do something else. And then you see that your offense
with Dak is playing on an MVP level, and you know,
up until then game he was in conversations for you know,
work there at the top of the MVP candidacy. Then

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you're like, oh, holy crap, we might really have might
be good here. Let's try and get somebody to make
up for the mistake we made. They don't have a plan,
they don't have a clue, They've never had a plan.
You know, they paid Ezekiel Elliott before they paid Dak Prescott,
which caused them to get rid of Amari Cooper, whom
Dak Prescott had an incredible relationship in chemistry with. On
the field, the Cowboys are always chasing their own tail

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and them trying to see if they can get a
Trey Hendrickson or a Max Crosby. You know, by the
way everyone said the Cowboys said they denied it, then
what did Jay Laser sands on the Yeah, the Cowboys
made the call. So you can believe Jerry or do
you believe the people who know what they're talking about.
Is Jerry's going to lie to your face. He just
he thoughts what he's going to do. He's not going
to be truthful with you. They do not have a

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plan on how to build the team. They actually are
pretty good at drafting, they're okay at drafting, but they
don't know how to put together a plan to build
a football team. And by signing George Pickens and trading
away Micah Parsons then trying to trade for a Cosby
or Trey Henderson, they're just chasing their own tail. They
don't have a plan on what they want to do.

Speaker 4 (01:12:09):
We believe Trey Wingo trade last question for you here.
We love your style because you rely on the statistical,
empirical data and not the hot take stuff like I've
been hoping for a hot take bubble to pop and.

Speaker 2 (01:12:23):
Maybe skip byles.

Speaker 4 (01:12:26):
There have been some signs skip mail is no longer
that best one. Maybe there's something happening, But just in general,
how do you feel about the direction of sports media
and where things have gone the last few years.

Speaker 6 (01:12:36):
I don't like it. I'm gonna be honest with you,
and look, and there are people that do. And if
you do, God bless you, that's wonderful. I hope you
are amply entertained. I want to be informed, and I
want to be informed in an entertaining way, but I
want to be informed, like, for example, they still do
this thing we started years ago on NFL. I've called
overreaction Monday, and we get it saying, guys, we're doing

(01:12:57):
this because we all overreact. Okay, tongue firmly plant in cheeks,
So understand that we're not really saying these it's just
sort of a we understand what you're saying. We're trying
to tell you whether we believe that or not. And
then we did the mid Season NFL Live Awards, and
they were completely made up. It was just a joke
to do something. And like Richard Sherman was the first
winner of the Defensive Mid Season Player of the Year.

(01:13:20):
So we had them on the show and I said,
how do you feel about winning a completely made up award?
You know, the whole point was we understand that it's
not serious, okay, And we were just sort of trying
to find some content for us in the middle of
the doldrums of late October early November in the football
season when a million other things are going on. There
used to be a phrase in an assale campaign for

(01:13:43):
ESPN in the late nineties early two thousands when there
was this other entity called CNNSI that was sort of
competing for sports viewers, and the line was, at ESPN,
we don't take ourselves seriously. We take sports seriously. And
I feel like the exact opposite is true. Now, hey,
we'll talk about sports, but listen to what I have

(01:14:03):
to say, because what I have to say is really
important and I just that to me, I have no
interest in blathering and just you know, gasbagging. Tell me
why you think what you think based on data, not
what you feel, not what you you know, not what
you suppose give me information. Stephen A. Smith once tried

(01:14:26):
to convince me that because the Chiefs receivers were so good,
Alex Smith could have taken them to a super Bowl.
And I'm like, and I called them out on this
on the radio show when I was doing I'm like, then,
why did Andy Reid waste a draft pick drafting Patrick Mahomes?
Because he had both guys? And Andy Reid is as
good as quarterback whispering head coach as we have in
the NFL. So you're telling me you know more about

(01:14:48):
football than the guy who's making the trade for Patrick Mahomes.
That is preposterous. But that's where we are. We always
want to take these incredible Okay, what if I say this,
like Colin Cowhert does this all the time, and I
know I shouldn't probably be talking about him on a
Fox entity, but you know what did he have earlier
in this year that we were going to have we

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were gonna have Arch Manning and who was going to
be the coach in Cleveland next year? Well, neither one
of those things are happening. You know, let's just take
the slow road here. The long view was always the
best view, and let's let things play out before we
just jumped to conclusions.

Speaker 3 (01:15:23):
That's what I'm talking about there. From the Great Trey
Wingo has his straight Facts homie show that you can
find on YouTube. Just look up Trey Wingo you'll find it. There,
has us some phenomenal guests. I think he just talked
to Ryan Fitzpatrick the other day. As a matter of fact,
I love Ryan Fitzpatrick, one of my favorite animals out
there as well. So you can follow Trey on Twitter
slash x at wing gos. That's wi n g o

(01:15:44):
Z Tray. Thanks so much for hopping on the show man.
Hopefully we can have you back on later in the season.
This was fun.

Speaker 6 (01:15:48):
Thanks Trey, guys anytime. Seriously, a real pleasure.

Speaker 4 (01:15:51):
Cherry Wingo best of the best. I say so, won't
be the last time he comes on F and A
on FSR. We still got some college football to get to,
but we're sticking with the NFL next. We got our
trap game tap in the NFL six pack. You're listening
to FNA on FSR.

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Speaker 3 (01:16:46):
All right, Mark, let's dive bike into this NFL six
pack trap game tap, Yes, a favorite in trouble or
facing a trap game this week, Adam, I am going
to go with the Rams hosting the Saints, and I
feel as if the Saints I begged them as a
spoiler a couple of times this year and it has
not worked out in my favor. That's what I get
for picking brief Saints to do anything of notes. And
now they put in Tyler Shugg as the starting quarterback.

(01:17:08):
That's probably not gonna do much for me either. But
I will say this the Rams do play the forty
nine Ers next weekend. That's a big game for them. Obviously,
we know that at least in games in the regular season,
Sean McVay has been owned by Kyle Shanahan and the
forty nine Ers. As bad as the Saints have been,
they have had a lot of close losses. I know
there's not a lot of moral victories in the NFL
at one and seven, but even if you look at

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that game last week against Tampa Bay, offensively, neither team
really did much of anything. The Saints really just shot
themselves in the foot with a couple of turnovers. They'll
do that, Yeah, well they will. That's generally how that works.
But I'm not going to pick the Saints to win
the game by any stretch. But I do see this
as a game where the Saints, where the Rams might
potentially struggle playing a team a lesser opponent, they should

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be able to run off the field. I believe they
are a fourteen point favorite at last check, but I
do think it's with the forty nine Ers coming up
on the horizon next weekend, knowing they're a big time
rival and they're a team that they struggle against. I
can see may be a little bit of potential for
them potentially not covering that fourteen point spread in this game,
being closer than some people might think.

Speaker 2 (01:18:05):
Hmmm, are you tipping your hand for two on two
off later? Stay tuned at him?

Speaker 4 (01:18:09):
Okay, I just feel like Sean McVay.

Speaker 2 (01:18:13):
He's so good.

Speaker 4 (01:18:15):
He doesn't let his guys have lapses like this. They're
so in tune, they're so locked in. And you're in
the NFC West, you better be. Even with the Niners
and all their injuries, they're still good enough to win
that division.

Speaker 2 (01:18:27):
And Seattle looks amazing so far. That looks great.

Speaker 4 (01:18:30):
So and they got what the Commander's coming up on
the road yep, a Monday Al Football. Rams better stay
locked in. You just can't lose. You can't have slip up.

Speaker 3 (01:18:38):
You can't lose the games that you're supposed to win,
especially in this division, which is shaping out to be
one of the best divisions in the entire NFL. Like
a lot of people Adam thought coming into the season
for San Francisco specifically, most people thought the Rams were better,
but San Francisco had such an easy schedule. Now, what's
evening the playing field a little bit is the fact
that San Francisco has been so banged up at so
many important positions. I mean, you lose your two best

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defensive players, you have some of your your best receivers
have been hurt all season long, your top your quarterback
has been hurt, and you still have a winning record
at this point.

Speaker 4 (01:19:07):
Well, ironically, the guy that everybody would have assumed had
been hurt in McCaffrey, I put all the wood.

Speaker 2 (01:19:16):
Around you healthy, Sylpha's been fine.

Speaker 4 (01:19:18):
I thought I wasn't sure how much of a career
he'd have after leaving the Carolina Panthers, just because the
mileage that was.

Speaker 3 (01:19:25):
On him, not because he just because of Carolina. That's
where everybody goes and thrives, and once you leave there,
that's where you know your career dies. So that's what
I thought it was.

Speaker 2 (01:19:33):
Well, it's more like the opposite most of the time.

Speaker 4 (01:19:35):
But Baker Mayfield went through there, Sam Darnold went through there.
We lost both those guys who are now flourishing his quarterbacks.
But I knew Christian McCaffrey had a couple more good years.
He's still this good now. I know he's twenty nine.
But my goodness, he has held tons a wear and tear,
gray and old at twelve years old as CJ. Stroud, Yeah,
that is definitely a foot in the grave. If he's

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saying at twenty four, I'm not the same.

Speaker 6 (01:20:00):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:20:00):
He might have pulled one out last week based on
how he performed.

Speaker 4 (01:20:02):
He looked pretty good. Yeah, he had that run down
the sideline. Well, I thought he looked pretty quick.

Speaker 2 (01:20:06):
You don't look that old to me. Maybe he's sandbagging.

Speaker 4 (01:20:08):
Maybe he's bsing because he knows he's going to run
the football more and he wants defenses to think that.
He believes he's too old to do that stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:20:15):
He's playing a psychological mind trek. Joe Flacco ripped off
a long run, two of them the last three weeks. Well,
I mean, old man Joe. Now, granted nobody saw it coming.

Speaker 2 (01:20:22):
But the flying Flaccos to call him right exactly, no doubt.
It wasn't just elite throwing the football.

Speaker 4 (01:20:29):
He could run it now, come on, Hey, he got
those wheels, come it up and we got like four
more categories here. I left the NFL six pack here
on fn A on fs R.

Speaker 1 (01:20:43):
You're listening to Fox Sports.

Speaker 3 (01:20:45):
Radio final hour of F and A on FSR Fox
Football Saturday. Kevin figures Adam alstin with you guys. And
by the way, I heard Steven Sager's update talking about
North Carolina golf clap. First conference victory for Bill Belichick
out there in the ACC twenty seven to ten. It
only took them going up against Syracuse's backup quarterback.

Speaker 2 (01:21:05):
Eric Jordan says, come fly with me.

Speaker 3 (01:21:06):
Yeah, congratulations, there it's a coach Belichick. We'll talk a
little bit more college football coming up later this hour.
Not the most compelling slate of football, but some important
matchups nonetheless, so we'll get into that a little bit
later this hour as well as too on, Too off.
But Mark, we got to continue the NFL six pack.
We got a lot of topics still to cover.

Speaker 4 (01:21:23):
Wait a second, I haven't gotten my trap game.

Speaker 3 (01:21:25):
Oh yeah, that's right, Adam about me? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:21:27):
What about me?

Speaker 3 (01:21:28):
What about Adam?

Speaker 2 (01:21:28):
Nobody cares?

Speaker 4 (01:21:29):
Yeah, I care, Tupac cares if nobody else cares.

Speaker 2 (01:21:33):
All right, my traff game.

Speaker 6 (01:21:34):
Tap.

Speaker 4 (01:21:35):
The Chargers are coming off a typical Thursday night football
victory over the Vikings where one team shows up and
the other doesn't.

Speaker 2 (01:21:42):
Yeah, which happens way too often, right.

Speaker 4 (01:21:45):
I got it at eighty nine point five percent of
the time when it comes to Thursday night football games.

Speaker 3 (01:21:51):
Do you run the numbers on that?

Speaker 4 (01:21:52):
Well, it's pro science, fantasy research, but yes.

Speaker 2 (01:21:56):
Yes science.

Speaker 4 (01:21:57):
So the Chargers have had a bit of time sit
and get over confident as they are five and three
and head out on the road to face a one
in seven Titans team that shouldn't even have that win
they got against the Cardinals, which was them completely imploding
and having the Unholy Roller, but the Titans won. But really,

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we haven't had that Chargers gonna Charger type of loss
yet this season. We've had your usual Chargers gonna Charger
with bad luck, with injuries all here, of course, but
we haven't gotten that classic Chargers lose close to a
vastly inferior opponent on a field goal that secures them
a spot behind the Broncos and Chiefs in their division

(01:22:40):
and has them looking up as maybe being the seventh
seed in the AFC playoff picture. And the Titans they
only lost by twenty fourth of the Colts and Sunday
his game.

Speaker 2 (01:22:51):
It could have been worse. Even the worst.

Speaker 4 (01:22:53):
Teams eventually run into a win, and I'm not sure
the Titans are one in sixteen bad this season.

Speaker 3 (01:22:59):
Well, sometimes, I'm We've had a couple of ophers over
the past decade. So what did we get?

Speaker 2 (01:23:03):
We got the Browns, the Browns, the Dolphins. I think,
didn't they know?

Speaker 3 (01:23:06):
The Dolphins actually got that one win, but they had
Well's Welker caught that pass down the sideline or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:23:10):
They tried to go reverse seventy two Dolphins.

Speaker 3 (01:23:12):
Yeah, and then didn't the Lions and Browns go Opher
and back to back seasons? Did I get that right?
They might have been back to back seasons.

Speaker 4 (01:23:18):
Yeah, maybe that's why I forgot about that one. I
remember the Browns won because the head coach walked into
that lake afterwards.

Speaker 2 (01:23:25):
Hugh Jackson's Hugh jack Yeah, Hugh jack Uh.

Speaker 6 (01:23:29):
Sure.

Speaker 4 (01:23:29):
The Titans just traded cornerback Roger McCreary to the Rams,
which is idiotic since he's only twenty five and they're
four and twenty one in their record against the spread
the last two years. But that should tell you they
are about to get steam rolled, right, But the Chargers
know all this too, which means trap game and no,

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no one has fallen into more traps over the years
than the Chargers.

Speaker 2 (01:23:57):
Like when you're about to turn the.

Speaker 4 (01:23:59):
Corner and you think everything's gonna be fine and the
coast is clear, that's when that trap door opens and
they voluntarily jumped through with no parachute.

Speaker 2 (01:24:07):
Like it's the end of point break.

Speaker 3 (01:24:08):
It's like the Ninja Turtle video game where you were
walking to the manhole cover that's open.

Speaker 2 (01:24:12):
Who turned lights out?

Speaker 4 (01:24:13):
Yeah, but Chargers fans are so used to this.

Speaker 2 (01:24:18):
They've yet to reach their breaking point with this team.

Speaker 4 (01:24:21):
The Titans, they're already broken, but for some reason, I
just think they might be due.

Speaker 2 (01:24:26):
I don't know. That could be a trap game.

Speaker 3 (01:24:28):
I don't see it happening, but sure it is. The
Chargers and Corrections they were attractions. Detroit went oh and
sixteen in two thousand and eight, the Browns in twenty sixteen,
they went over.

Speaker 4 (01:24:39):
Can you say, I don't really see that happening out
of it?

Speaker 2 (01:24:44):
Just one more time?

Speaker 4 (01:24:45):
That delivery was really good, ke Yes, SCIENCE don't see
that it happening, Adam.

Speaker 3 (01:24:49):
To be honest with you, I really don't.

Speaker 2 (01:24:51):
Yeah, but my research, Kevin, what about that?

Speaker 3 (01:24:53):
It's the NFL, all right, so you never know my
beer Goggles game is up next there.

Speaker 1 (01:24:57):
Mark Beer Goggles, gay ugly.

Speaker 3 (01:24:59):
Match, they might end up being entertaining. He talked about
the Bears and Bengals a little bit earlier. Well, that
made me look bad last week when I picked them
to beat the Ravens, and the Bengals made themselves look
bad by allowing twenty three fourth quarter points to the
hapless Jets. So I'm inclined to be done with both
of these damn teams, to be honest with you, Adam.

Speaker 2 (01:25:15):
Who wants to fly with those EF and Jets?

Speaker 3 (01:25:16):
Yeah? But when the powers of their utter disappointments combined
like Voltron or Megazord, whatever the gen Z equivalent of
those would be at this point in time, I don't know.
I think they can bring us with a present us
with a pretty entertaining matchup on Sunday. So we know
how future the Bengals defense is because we saw it
firsthand last week against a Jets team that can't get
out of its own way on offense. Justin Fields talked

(01:25:36):
about crying tears in a wave of emotion because of
all he went through last week. With Woodie Johnson's comments, Well,
Bengals fans were crying teers into the cups of their
super affordable beer cups last week watching that defense, did
you seen this? By the way, Adam, no, do you
realize that a sixteen ounce beer at a Bengals game
is six dollars and eighty cents.

Speaker 2 (01:25:52):
That's a steal.

Speaker 3 (01:25:53):
That is unbelieve That's damn near free.

Speaker 4 (01:25:55):
I might start drinking again just because the prices are
so low.

Speaker 2 (01:25:59):
That is unbelievab for that, But anyway, I digress.

Speaker 3 (01:26:03):
Caleb Williams took a bit of a step back last week,
although in amalgam I mentioned this a little bit earlier
when we were talking about the Bears. I think he's
actually played pretty decently this year and made incremental improvements.
I was harsh, yeah, but still part of this struggles
is the fact that the Bears can't run have n't
run the ball, especially the last couple of weeks. Now, granted,
DeAndre Swift is out this week, so that's not gonna help.

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But when they've been successful the last couple of weekends
prior to last week is because he so eclipsed the
one hundred yard rushing total, So that's not gonna happen
this year.

Speaker 2 (01:26:34):
Mann guy's gonna step in.

Speaker 3 (01:26:35):
Hopefully he'll be the lead back and he'll be able
to run the ball against that putred Bengals defense. Bengals
dead last in the NFL against the run. Bears were
in the upper third of the NFL and rushing offense,
So that's somewhere where Chicago's gonna have the edge on the.

Speaker 2 (01:26:48):
Flip side weakness definitely not on the flip side.

Speaker 3 (01:26:51):
Bengals offense has had a renaissance with the addition of
Joe Flacco. Jamar Chase has more juice going on. They're
actually running the ball a little bit better. It's incredible.
Question for this weekend will be will Flacco actually play
with that shoulder issue.

Speaker 2 (01:27:04):
He's now questionable. LaRusso going to.

Speaker 3 (01:27:06):
Fight, yeah, So if it's not him, is going to
be Jake Browning, and that blows everything up.

Speaker 6 (01:27:10):
You know what.

Speaker 2 (01:27:10):
Jake Browning looks like. He brown's his pants.

Speaker 3 (01:27:13):
To say the least, we've seen it.

Speaker 4 (01:27:15):
I had hope for him after a couple of years
ago he looked pretty good, but this season was miserable.

Speaker 3 (01:27:19):
Talk about continuity. Has a backup in the same system
for three four would see this terrible. So I'm going
to be optimistic here and hope and pray that Joe
Flacco is actually going to play in this one, because
if he is, I think this game is going to
look a lot like last week's game between the Bengals
and the Jets, two teams going absolutely nowhere, but scoring
a hell of a lot of points on their way
getting there.

Speaker 4 (01:27:38):
It felt like the Bengals had all the momentum and
they gave it away losing that game to the Jets.

Speaker 2 (01:27:43):
Thousand percent. Yes, we were like, hey, they're in the
running for the NFC North the Pittsburgh a couple of
weeks ago.

Speaker 3 (01:27:48):
If they would find themselves to get a victory last week,
they will be right in the mix, all right.

Speaker 4 (01:27:52):
When I put on my beer goggles, I see a
game happening in LA that could be his store for
all the wrong reasons for Breebree, and I hope she'll
be there to see the utter destruction of the Saints,
who no one can save.

Speaker 2 (01:28:09):
On Sunday?

Speaker 3 (01:28:10):
Are you going to the Gamebree?

Speaker 8 (01:28:12):
Absolutely not?

Speaker 2 (01:28:13):
No, I got you a ticket, free ticket.

Speaker 3 (01:28:15):
You do't want to go. You love the Saints, you
hate the Rams. After the NFC Championship game from a
few years ago. I mean, how could you not go?

Speaker 7 (01:28:22):
Because I'm not going to pay a single dime to
the Los Angeles Rams. I'm not going to pay for parking.
I'm not going to buy food. I'm not gonna buy
I don't I'm not going to contribute to their horrible organization.

Speaker 2 (01:28:32):
What if I can get you a ticket?

Speaker 9 (01:28:33):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:28:35):
Absolutely, tailgate? Yeah right, just be a stowaway in the tailgate.

Speaker 2 (01:28:40):
Can't do it so far, which is a travesty.

Speaker 4 (01:28:43):
Oh, Brie, you used to love asking me for Clippers
tickets whenever the Suns were in town, but they sucked too.

Speaker 8 (01:28:48):
How many did I get?

Speaker 7 (01:28:49):
I'm sorry?

Speaker 2 (01:28:50):
How much?

Speaker 8 (01:28:50):
How many Clippers Sons tickets?

Speaker 7 (01:28:52):
Have I gotten?

Speaker 2 (01:28:52):
At least a single ticket once? No, a buzzer?

Speaker 4 (01:28:56):
Really, there's I could find any. There had to be
one time where I got you tickets? No, Well, damn,
probably because you do this and being ungrateful anyways.

Speaker 2 (01:29:08):
So now I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:29:11):
I guess you know if someone offered you fifty yard
line tickets to the Saints game, you still wouldn't go.

Speaker 2 (01:29:17):
Nothing.

Speaker 8 (01:29:18):
What are you talking about?

Speaker 2 (01:29:21):
In town? Your favorite team? Don't see in town? They're
from New Orleans who played the team that you hate.

Speaker 7 (01:29:27):
Whoever I'm going with, they're gonna buy me everything because
I'm not paying a single cent.

Speaker 2 (01:29:31):
He before you go, I mean, I guess I think
of First of all, I.

Speaker 3 (01:29:37):
Would recommend you don't buy anything anyway, because the food
at Sofi is terrible.

Speaker 2 (01:29:40):
That's what I'm saying. I'm not going to contribute. Yeah, and
I love beer. I'm not going.

Speaker 3 (01:29:44):
To contribute because I just don't want my stomach to
be messed up. I don't like bad food. So that's
why I wouldn't buy unless you're in the premium seats,
which I'm not allowed in. I mean, look at me.
The premium seats in the premium food I hear at
Sofi Stadium is top notch. But for regular Joe's like me,
absolutely not premium seats for a premium team.

Speaker 2 (01:30:01):
He has hot dog for fourteen dollars or whatever it is.

Speaker 7 (01:30:05):
So if I found tickets on the ground or you're saying, like,
would I go kind of thing, yes, Well yeah, I
mean I'm.

Speaker 8 (01:30:10):
Not like dumb.

Speaker 2 (01:30:12):
Yeah, I just said if I give you a ticket
you said.

Speaker 8 (01:30:14):
No, Well no, but like I'll go.

Speaker 2 (01:30:17):
Can I say?

Speaker 4 (01:30:18):
I think she's apprehensive because she does not want to
see what's going to happen to Tyler Shuk. I mean
Shuck because after Spencer Ratler got rattled in Seattle, which
took away all his confidence, I now see Tyler Shuck
getting shook on the road against the Rams. If he
didn't know, Shuck is a twenty six year old rookie

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who was in college for seven years and hit up
the transfer portal multiple times whenever things got tough, he
just decided to go to a better situation, went from
Oregon to Texas Tech to Louisville. So yes, he will
be asking out of New Orleans after what happens to
him on Sunday against the Rams, who have had a

(01:31:00):
week off. Yeah, he's asking out.

Speaker 3 (01:31:03):
The Rams have had a week off after kicking Jacksonville's
ass in London.

Speaker 4 (01:31:06):
I don't need to hear about that game anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:31:08):
Oh I forgot about that that damn man.

Speaker 4 (01:31:10):
My beer goggles are like a window into the future,
and I see five sacks and three picks coming in
a thirty point Rams win, where by the end of
the first quarter, Bree, she may not be drinking a
hurricane at Pad O'Brien's. With the game in La but
rather with padd O'Brien like, it's not fun. That's how

(01:31:32):
bad this is gonna be. He'll be drinking hard, maybe
even at seventy eighth and Vermont with pob That's the
type of beer goggles game I see happening on Sunday
to the Saints.

Speaker 2 (01:31:43):
And Tyler shook, Yeah, it could be ugly. I'm not
gonna lie.

Speaker 3 (01:31:47):
I know. I said it could be a potential trap
game for the Rams.

Speaker 2 (01:31:50):
It could be.

Speaker 4 (01:31:52):
It should be because they should overlook the Saints.

Speaker 3 (01:31:55):
So wait, so, Adam, are you gonna take the I
don't know what the over the first half over under
is on points for the Rams by themselves, but are
you saying take the over? Regardless of what that number is?

Speaker 2 (01:32:03):
It could be fifty. I take the entire thing. Let's
go to the next category.

Speaker 9 (01:32:09):
Mark, Oh my god, Oh my god.

Speaker 4 (01:32:25):
Oh, I'm so sorry, Yusty.

Speaker 3 (01:32:31):
Oh Troy potential the player coach team with epic failed
potential this coming weekend, and I'm going to go to
Monday Night and the Dallas Cowboys hosting the Cardinals on
Monday Night football. Dallas one of the best offenses in
all of football. The first couple of months of the season,
not surprisingly, until they actually faced the real defense like
last week against Denver and they got run off the field.

Speaker 2 (01:32:51):
You called it. That's my quarter bet now.

Speaker 3 (01:32:54):
Meanwhile, Arizona kind of similar to the Saints to a
certain degree, although they're much definitely better than the Saints
that have more talent and no offense breed. But it's
just true.

Speaker 2 (01:33:03):
Well, Georgia and Bama have more talent.

Speaker 3 (01:33:11):
Started they started two to zero, didn't necessarily look impressive,
and doing it against the NFC South bottom feeders, the
Saints and the Panthers. Oh, I think I have two
fans of those franchises in.

Speaker 2 (01:33:22):
Front of me here.

Speaker 3 (01:33:24):
But since then, they've lost five games in a row,
but they've been highly competitive and literally all of them.
We talked about that Titans game a second ago that
they basically just gifted to them. That's a w the
forty nine er game they had essentially won but lost
on a field goal in the final seconds, ball on
their hands with a chance to win against Green Bay
and the Colts that fell just short. Now I can
hear my man Eric Dickerson and UCLA basketball coach mccroney

(01:33:46):
both in my head right now. Saying losers say we
were winning the game at halftime, or losers say we
just ran out of time, and they're both right.

Speaker 2 (01:33:54):
But I'm looking at this sieve.

Speaker 3 (01:33:55):
Of a cowboy defense right now, and the sheer laughability,
if that's even a word it is now of our
guy Trey Wingle's report that they wanted to trade for
Max Crosby when they already had Micah Parsons in the building.
It's gold and it's as cowboys as anything I've ever
heard of.

Speaker 4 (01:34:09):
I don't believe it, Yeah, all right, I do. Trey
Wingo came on, so I believe anything he says.

Speaker 2 (01:34:13):
I think would tell you.

Speaker 3 (01:34:15):
Arizona's lost five games in a row, they're reeling, they're vulnerable.
I'll be honest opposite. I think it's the exact opposite.
Coming off on a off of a bye for Arizona,
knowing how competitive they've been playing on national TV, I
think that all works in their favor because they're hungry, motivated,
and know that they aren't that far away play to
win the gate bes right coach Absolutely for Dallas, their

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problem is their flaws aren't really fixable, and Jerry Jones
essentially admitted that this week, when a reporter asked him
about making a trade of the deadline, Jerry said, adding
one player to this defense isn't going to change much
of anything. And he's right now. Arizona's defense isn't as
good as Denverse. Obviously their ranked nineteenth. But I think
Kyler Murray, if he's playing, and if he's not quite honestly,

(01:34:59):
doesn't even ma no Marvin Harrison trading bright. They're gonna
put it on that Dallas defense just like everybody else
has this year, and the Cardinal defense will be good
enough to slow down to the Cowboy offense to be
able to get that victory.

Speaker 2 (01:35:11):
So it's an epic fail.

Speaker 3 (01:35:12):
For the Cowboys who will be beaten by the Arizona Cardinals.

Speaker 2 (01:35:16):
I'm calling it all right. I like that call.

Speaker 4 (01:35:19):
You're close to the Cowboys, you would know I'm close
to this team. My old Troy epic fail goes to
me and my Panthers. When I said I thought they
had a shot at home against the Bills last week,
I did not know then that Andy Dalton was going
to be under center.

Speaker 2 (01:35:36):
That changed the metrics so much.

Speaker 4 (01:35:39):
I mocked Andy Dalton back when it wasn't cool back
when he was a pro bowler with the Bengals and
he and Marvin Lewis were losing.

Speaker 3 (01:35:48):
In the first round of the playoffs. Every year he's right.
Go back and check our FNA podcast archives. Adam was
always always Andy Dalton hater.

Speaker 4 (01:35:57):
Do my Panthers not have a third train quarterback who
doesn't have flaming red hair? That makes me want to
pull the fire alarm every time I see Andy Dalton
throw a pass. When I see that red hair, I'm
waiting for a plane to fly over and drop fire retardant.

Speaker 2 (01:36:13):
Someone said that should be his nickname. That was wrong.
The Panthers allegedly have a third string quarterback out of
Tennessee name Hendon Hooker.

Speaker 3 (01:36:22):
Yes, it was a really good player at Tennessee.

Speaker 2 (01:36:24):
He had a devastating injury and now was on the
comeback trail. Give me the hooker. I want the hooker
out there on Sunday. Try the laugh the first time.

Speaker 4 (01:36:31):
Adam said that if it's between that and the ginger,
But it looks like it's going to be the actor instead,
because Bryce Young is acting like a quarterback when he
looks like a punter, and most actors are short like
he is. Too, and it looks like he's gonna be available.
The game is in Green Bay for the Panthers. This
has epic fail written all over it. I may join

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Bree and Pob for an epic fall off the wagon
moment where we become like the new wolf Pack in
the Hangover or something, and have some epic night of
drinking ourselves into oblivion because our football teams are completely unserious.

Speaker 2 (01:37:06):
Bring you with the Saints, met with the Panthers, might
as well go off the deep end.

Speaker 4 (01:37:10):
I guess I'll wake up with more carved face and
look more doughe than Kellen Moore. See you at padd O'Brien's, Ree,
not the bar, you're not invited.

Speaker 3 (01:37:19):
Not the bar, pad O'Brien's house. He's probably got the
top show. Neither of you are invited, that's for damn sure.
And if you get close, he's sticking the dogs on you.
It's not funny, yo, you're talking about redheads here.

Speaker 2 (01:37:30):
I'm looking over to my right.

Speaker 3 (01:37:31):
There's a celebrity poker game going on, and Jennifer Tilly's
in there, and she has a Chucky doll next to
her because she was the bride of Chucky. She was
the voice of Chucky's wife, I guess in that awful
movie from years.

Speaker 2 (01:37:41):
Ago, and that wasn't on my list of horror movies.

Speaker 3 (01:37:43):
No, I'm just saying that you start talking crap about redheads,
you might get a little visitor tonight in your dream
Kevin Chucky.

Speaker 4 (01:37:50):
You know I don't like the scary stuff. I'm just
saying I live alone. Make it fun of Ginger's you know,
is it cush Chucky? Mike, Kay, you a visit tonight,
is all I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:38:00):
F you moving on to the next category, let's actually
step aside for half a second.

Speaker 3 (01:38:04):
We do have a couple more categories left, and we'll
get to some college football coming up in the very
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Speaker 3 (01:38:45):
Don't any idea, but you're stealing prep. You and your
friends are dad FNA Cottonna.

Speaker 4 (01:38:52):
Well, it's Halloween. I thought I could play that. It's
fa on FSR. Also, it reminded me of the game
over screen on Friday the thirteenth on a nes Do
you want to know what it says when you lose?

Speaker 6 (01:39:08):
Well?

Speaker 4 (01:39:08):
If I remember that game all right on the OG
original Nintendo an, Yes, when you lose and Friday the thirteenth,
it says.

Speaker 2 (01:39:17):
Do you want to read this, Kevin?

Speaker 3 (01:39:21):
You and your friends are dead? Game over? Well, it's
just a game man, pretty bluntly.

Speaker 4 (01:39:29):
Yeah, that's Marsh.

Speaker 2 (01:39:31):
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Speaker 3 (01:39:57):
Now, it just reminds me of like video games, and
like the way that they would tell you that you die,
like if you want to go way way back, old
school to like the old Oregon trail when you die
of dysentery. Well, the fatality from Mortal Kombat. Obviously, Mario
Mega Man, how many of those you have in there?

Speaker 2 (01:40:17):
Guess this next one?

Speaker 3 (01:40:19):
Oh, come on, street Fighter, I mean, what are you doing?

Speaker 2 (01:40:21):
Yeah, I'm out. The sound bite just died. All right, Mark,
let's hop back into the six pack. We got two
more categories to go under the microscope.

Speaker 3 (01:40:31):
Yes, the game player team. Everybody should watch closely this weekend, Adam.

Speaker 4 (01:40:36):
All right, I got two teams on a bye this
week that are playing each other after the bye, and
the Browns and the Jets, and I'm looking at them
for different reasons here. So, Miles Garrett gets five sacks
against the Patriots.

Speaker 2 (01:40:49):
Last week in a losing effort. That's hard to do,
not just losing thirty thirteen.

Speaker 4 (01:40:53):
Yeah, which goes to my logic of why you don't
pay a defensive end all that money when you're not
a contender.

Speaker 3 (01:41:00):
It isn't smart because he's a pillar to when you
do win.

Speaker 4 (01:41:03):
All right, fair enough, And if Dallas is truly going
after another defensive end in Max Crosby, then what they
did with Michael Parsons makes no sense. I know there
was some logic at first, but maybe not. But why
is Miles Garrett so upset or surprised that he can
get five sacks and still lose when you play for
the Cleveland Browns. So he had the twentieth five sack

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game in NFL history. Entering Sunday, players with five sacks
were sixteen and three. Yeah, none of the three players
who did lose lost by more than three points. The
Browns lost by nineteen in a game where he had
five sacks. But you sign the contract that pays you
forty million a year in Cleveland, so you can slam

(01:41:48):
your helmet down all you want, it's not going to
make the longest losing franchise, at least over the last
twenty five years any better.

Speaker 3 (01:41:55):
And to that point, Adam he asked for a trade. Yeah,
and then they gave him an extension and said I'm
happy all right. Okay, you made a fuss in February. Yep,
that whole contract negotiation song and dance they did just
to get a deal done eventually. Now you're having buyer's
remorse for buying into a franchise you already knew stunk

(01:42:16):
since you had been there since twenty seventeen. Also under
the microscope is the team the Browns will be playing
out of the bye week, the Jets. Aaron Glenn and
Mike McDaniel both look to be on borrowed time. They
both seem to be on the hottest seats this past
week and both got good wins. No, Mike McDaniel then

(01:42:37):
lost on Thursday night, But that Jets win and the
comeback on the Bengals, considering the stuff with the owner
and Woody Johnson criticizing Justin Fields who balled out in
that comeback, Yep, that was awesome. It was.

Speaker 2 (01:42:50):
That's about as good as a win.

Speaker 4 (01:42:52):
Yeah, that's that's like as good of a win you
can have in a lost season.

Speaker 3 (01:42:56):
Oh great, Granted it was a razor's edge. I mean,
Breesall throws a ball up for grabs in the back
of the end zone. It wasn't necessarily cleanest win. Oh no,
let you'll take it. Jets need a little luck.

Speaker 6 (01:43:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:43:06):
That postgame locker.

Speaker 4 (01:43:07):
Room scene though with Aaron Glenn got me hyped.

Speaker 2 (01:43:11):
Who want to fly with them? F and Jets? Yeah,
makes me want to fly with them and be a
Jets fan. But I won't.

Speaker 4 (01:43:16):
Uh, I'm smarter in that. But hey, the Jets win
probability was as low as two point nine percent. The
Jets scored fifteen unanswered and they limited the Bengals to
nine offensive plays in the final ten minutes of the game.
That was as much of a lovable loser movie type
of win that you can get. Can they build on

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that and beat the Browns? We'll find out next week.
But both these teams on a buy. I'm watching them now.
I want to see what happens for different reasons.

Speaker 3 (01:43:46):
Okay, I'm going to go with Houston and specifically that
offense against Denver this weekend. So back in week I
don't know if it was Week three or four, I
put the Texans offensive, particularly their offensive coordinator Nick Keyley,
on the hot seat because they looked so bad. Most
of us pawned off last season as a sophomore slump
for CJ.

Speaker 2 (01:44:03):
Strout.

Speaker 3 (01:44:03):
But the first quarter of this season was even worse
than last year. So now you fast forward to last
week against San Francisco and it was night and day
and before you people come out and you talk about
the forty nine ers being banged up, which I brought
up earlier. You know that not having Fred Warner, not
having Bosa, all that matters. Sure, but did you come
have that same energy the week before when they shut
down the Falcons run game?

Speaker 2 (01:44:24):
Keep that same energy, I'm telling you. So Strout looked
like rookie c J. Stroud.

Speaker 3 (01:44:28):
He was a fit shit through four over three hundred yards,
didn't even have his best target in Nico Collins. Spread
the ball around. Five players had at least four receptions.
So Houston actually ran the ball a little bit too,
over one hundred and fifty yards as a team. So
now here's the real test. You have the Denver Broncos
coming in righting high off that dominating victory over the Cowboys.

Speaker 2 (01:44:45):
Now they will be short handed.

Speaker 3 (01:44:47):
They will not have the Bed, the reigning defensive player
of the Year and Patzertan, So that's going to be
a big loss for them, but it looks like Nico
Collins and Christian Kirker are both going to be back
for Houston, so that's a massive advantage for them. So
I'm going to place the Houston Texans offense on the
microscope to see if they've actually found a bit of
rhythm or that was just a one week operation. And
I'm taking out that Baltimore victory because that's when the

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Ravens are running out of scout team defense and anybody
will lift them up.

Speaker 2 (01:45:10):
Stuff doesn't count.

Speaker 3 (01:45:11):
Yeah, exactly, although it counts on the standings as Houston
does have that victory. The big key's going to be
Houston's offensive line because I'll admit the forty nine ers
pass rush nowhere near as good as it was when
Nick Bosa and Bryce Huff were healthy. So that Denver
defense front, defensive front, i should say, is healthy and
very formidable. So even though they're not going to have
Pats or Tan, their defensive line is one of the
best in the entire league. And Houston's weakness offensively more

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than anything is their offensive line. So this is going
to be a big litmus test for the Texans, who
have a three to four record, but we're still in
the wildcard race, especially when you consider the fact they
will play heads ahead against numerous contending teams in the
AFC on their schedule Broncos this week, they have matchups
against the Bills, the Chiefs, the Chargers. All of those
teams are in close division races right now and could

(01:45:55):
be battling for a wildcard spot by the season's.

Speaker 2 (01:45:57):
End, so they could still control their own destiny to
a degree.

Speaker 3 (01:46:00):
The divisions out the Colts are running away with the
NFC South, that's not gonna happen.

Speaker 2 (01:46:03):
Their only path is going to be to get a
wild card spot.

Speaker 3 (01:46:05):
But I think how they looked on Sunday will go
a long way in determining whether or not they will
be a serious factor in the AFC playoffers.

Speaker 4 (01:46:12):
All right, mark final category here, redemption Round. It's not
often that a team that only has one loss, and
it didn't occur last week makes its way into my
redemption round. But I'm starting to see the vision with
my Super Bowl champion Packers. After what they did in
the fourth quarter against Pittsburgh, it kind of made me think,

(01:46:34):
are they just pacing themselves so far this season? Like
they don't want to peak early. They're five to one
and one and haven't even flexed their muscles yet. They
haven't played close to their potential and they're just getting
healthy with some of their weapons coming back on the outside,
like Christian Watkins who had eighty five yards against the Steelers.
This team is still loaded. They just haven't fully revealed

(01:46:58):
themselves yet. My Packers are in great shape and are
an even better shape this weekend because they got my
panthers or someone's panthers not. They have been in cruise control.
They aren't concerned with regular season championships. They want the
real one named after their legendary coach. They want the
Ray Rhads Trophy. Okay, that's not the legendary coach, that's

(01:47:21):
the legendary cursor.

Speaker 2 (01:47:23):
You could say so many cuss words, then we talk
about him with Rodney Pete.

Speaker 3 (01:47:28):
We did look at so many stories of our Ray
Roads that we can't tell on the air exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:47:34):
In the NFC, if the season ended today, the Packers
have the number one seed with the bye, and they
haven't even stepped on the gas yet, so excuse me
for gassing them up. But I still see a championship
team here, even though they've won some games very unimpressively.
I think they redeem themselves though, and get some style

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points coming up, like contenders tend to do, and they
might run it up on someone's Carolina Panthers this weekend
at Lambeau and they'll be looking like a Lambeau once
again with that souped up offense. That is just about
to shift into sixth gear redemption round and maybe season
for the Packers, even though they're still the number one

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seed currently, they haven't exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:48:20):
Blown us away. No, but the bar is high.

Speaker 3 (01:48:22):
I mean, especially once you trade for Micah Parsons and
people thought you were a Super Bowl contender before you
got them. Yeah, so it makes sense to me my
redemption round is going to the forty nine Ers taking
on the Giants. I talked about the Texans working over
that forty nine or defense last week. Now San Francisco
heads east to face the Giants, who lost their bit
to sweep the Eagles last week themselves.

Speaker 2 (01:48:39):
So my redemption round could really go to either.

Speaker 3 (01:48:41):
Of these teams.

Speaker 2 (01:48:42):
To be honest with you, I like that.

Speaker 6 (01:48:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:48:43):
Granted, we know the Giants aren't going anywhere, but every
game is a data point for Jackson Dart and if
he continues to play well, even if the team continues
to lose, that's gonna hold have job security for Joe
Shane and Brian day Ball. They're gonna stay there if
he continues to impress, and they know if they're just
missing you a couple of pieces around him and he
can guy they build around.

Speaker 2 (01:49:01):
They'll stay there for the forty nine ers.

Speaker 3 (01:49:03):
They are five and two and despite the injuries to
really key players like we mentioned, I mean Brock Purty
might come back healthy in a couple of weeks here,
he's gonna be out.

Speaker 2 (01:49:13):
Meg Jones is gonna start obviously.

Speaker 4 (01:49:14):
What did Kyle Shanahan say is not the longest shot
for him to come back?

Speaker 2 (01:49:18):
Yeah, what what does that even mean?

Speaker 3 (01:49:20):
Very reassuring there, But for this week's redntion around, I'm
gonna place a spotlight or in San Francisco. They're in
a position where I know Fred Warner is doing for
the year, you know, Boss out for the year, but
Party is gonna be back. They're eventually gonna get Ricky
Pierce all back. I don't know when. This thing with
their receivers and their injuries being so nebulous is really
weird to me, the PCL injury. He was supposed to
be back, but now he's not back. He was supposed

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to be back last week. Now it might be two
more weeks. He's supposed to return at some point. I
think there's still very much a threat in the NFC
playoff phrase. They also don't have the toughest schedule, like
we talked about a second ago.

Speaker 2 (01:49:50):
That matters.

Speaker 3 (01:49:50):
Yeah, they have a three week stretch where they play
somebody's Panthers, the Browns and the Titans, but of course
their success is gonna depend on them winning a majority
of those matchups. Against the Giants qualifies of one of
those games where even though you're banged up, you're facing
a lesser, lesser opponent that you have to beat.

Speaker 4 (01:50:07):
It's an interesting ballgame. I don't think I'll be picking
that one in two on two off.

Speaker 3 (01:50:12):
I don't think I would.

Speaker 2 (01:50:14):
There's our NFL six pack.

Speaker 4 (01:50:15):
I hoped you picked up on what we were putting
down there with our analysis, but we got to get
to some college football.

Speaker 6 (01:50:21):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:50:21):
Not a ton of games this week, Kevin, that.

Speaker 4 (01:50:25):
Are of you know, to five interest at least like Oklahoma,
they're number eighteen. They're going to Tennessee. Number fourteen, that's decent.

Speaker 2 (01:50:36):
Number nine.

Speaker 4 (01:50:37):
Vandy at Texas, arch Manning is playing. We found that out.

Speaker 2 (01:50:40):
I don't know if that's good or bad.

Speaker 3 (01:50:42):
Yeah, well, I will say Texas is favorite, and I'm
guessing it's because they're at home, and I'm guessing it's people.
And again, we talk about brand recognition in college sports
all the time, and this is this in Utah Cincinnati.
Utah is ranked twenty four to Cincinnati seventeen. Then Utah
is a double digit favorite over Cincinnati, which should never happen.

Speaker 2 (01:51:00):
Is interesting, and if you watch these.

Speaker 3 (01:51:01):
Teams, Utah is their quarterback situation is gonna been a
complete flex for the last month. But to go back
to Vandy and Texas, if you watch the teams actually play,
there's no way that you would that would justify Texas
being favored in this game. I don't. Maybe it's close
because Texas does have a good defense, but Diego Pavia
and that offense, the way that they can move the ball,
and as good as they've been defensively, they had that
great defensive showdown last week against Missouri, which they ended

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up eking out that victory.

Speaker 2 (01:51:25):
I think Vanderbilt wins this game.

Speaker 3 (01:51:26):
I'm not gonna say easily, but they definitely definitely take
this thing by touchdown.

Speaker 2 (01:51:32):
And you're getting points, you're getting two and a halfs.

Speaker 3 (01:51:34):
That one is insane to me. And I'll say the
same thing for Cincinnati based on how they're playing this year.
How they can be double digit underdogs against Utah a'llbeit
on the road baffles me.

Speaker 4 (01:51:43):
All right, are there any other games or is it
time to shift to Brian Kelly here? Uh?

Speaker 3 (01:51:48):
I will say Oklahoma Tennessee because it's ranked on ranked
in the SEC a pivotal matchup. Some are calling it
potentially a playoff elimination game for these two teams, which
I can potentially see.

Speaker 2 (01:52:00):
That's fair.

Speaker 3 (01:52:00):
Oklahoma Jometier just has not looked right with that hand,
And I know Tennessee gives up a lot of passing
yards because their secondary is not that great, but their
defensive line is really good. When they're getting pressure on you,
which I think they're gonna do against Johmetier with that
banged up thumb, I think it's gonna be a tough
night for them. Oklahoma just can't score enough points and
Tennessee is one of the best scoring offense in the

(01:52:21):
entire country.

Speaker 2 (01:52:22):
Tier point about Matier.

Speaker 4 (01:52:23):
He's basically generating one hundred and fifty less yards per
game since returning from the injury, and they relied on
him for everything. They can't run the ball without.

Speaker 3 (01:52:31):
Him, right, So I think Tennessee's is gonna win that
one fairly easily. I guess another one that would stand
out to me too was Texas Tech at k State.
This is a perfect situation for Kansas State to play
a spoiler for Texas Tech, which has a backup quarterback
in there. They've been good all season long, but that's
a place that's really tough. But that's always a shake
up spot when it comes to the Big twelve, and

(01:52:52):
one team seems to be surging Kansas State. Whether they're good,
they're bad or middling, which I'd say they're middling this season.
I think that's one to keep an eye on for
potential upset.

Speaker 4 (01:53:01):
Can I give myself a little bit of credit here, because.

Speaker 1 (01:53:04):
Right, kid, don't get cocky.

Speaker 4 (01:53:06):
I said keep an eye on Brian Kelly before the
Vandy game, and I believe I asked, you could he
get fired?

Speaker 6 (01:53:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:53:14):
Two weeks later he's out.

Speaker 4 (01:53:16):
He's out. I mean, this is an epidemic going on
right now. You got jobs at Florida LSU and Penn State,
and Penn State might have to fire James Franklin again
after how bad they're gonna lose to Ohio State coming
up later today.

Speaker 3 (01:53:30):
Yeah, that one's not gonna be pretty. I think they're
twenty point dogs in that.

Speaker 2 (01:53:33):
But what was your initial reaction to Brian Kelly?

Speaker 3 (01:53:35):
If you listen to the noise around the program over
the last few months, I'm not super surprised, and I
would have been surprised. And we talked to Petros about
this a couple of weeks ago because of the size
of all these buyouts or what we're finding out is
the buyouts just don't matter anymore. You got one or
two big enough boosters who are worn out with these guys,
they get him out of the door and bring in
somebody to the Now, this situation is a little more

(01:53:55):
unique because you have the governor of the state involved
than it is a state school, Okay, who's trying to
get reelected.

Speaker 4 (01:54:01):
Bs What he was trying to push there with this
spear mongering, acting like the taxpayers would have to pick
up the fifty three million that they owe Brian Kelly,
it's the athletic department that pays for this.

Speaker 2 (01:54:13):
The state doesn't have to pay for it.

Speaker 3 (01:54:14):
Well, if you look at it as it being a
state school and there's state funding that goes into it,
so maybe there's like eight degrees of separation of the
where the taxpayer. He's also trying to get reelected at
him too, So I grant you grant stand in front
of your constituents and everybody in the state obviously is
going to be big LSU backers. He say, this guy's
not getting it done, and damn it, you taxpayers are

(01:54:35):
tired of having to pay money every politician does it.

Speaker 4 (01:54:38):
You're right, so right, It wasn't that unprecedented or anything.

Speaker 2 (01:54:42):
It just still was kind of shocking.

Speaker 4 (01:54:44):
And then you get the accent on top of it,
and none of us over here on the West Coast
had any idea who this guy was.

Speaker 2 (01:54:51):
And it just dripping with Louisiana problem. When he says
the AD is not going to make the higher.

Speaker 3 (01:54:56):
The Board of Regents or whatever the board is, the
supervisors is going to make the higher.

Speaker 2 (01:55:00):
The AD got fired.

Speaker 4 (01:55:01):
So I don't know mutual parting of ways Kevin didn't,
you know.

Speaker 3 (01:55:05):
So the ad got fired and the interim guy is
in place. Right now, they're going to be on the
search for a new head coach. Lane Kiffin is kind
of the hot sexy name out there. But I'll be
honest with you, why leave Ole Miss you know you're
building something down there. I've been seeing brought this up
the last few weeks, I think, especially with the landscape
of college football now where you can't just Hoart talent
like he used to and have Hall of Fame backups

(01:55:26):
on top of Hall of Fame backups, and everybody gets
spread around the competitive the competitiveness is going to be
spread throughout the entire country. So being out of blue
blood you know today is not the same as being
out of blue blood even five years ago.

Speaker 4 (01:55:37):
That's why I was like, Signetty's got a great job
right now, why not build something there? Then try to
follow in the footsteps of you know, ghosts of programs past.

Speaker 2 (01:55:48):
You don't need to do that.

Speaker 4 (01:55:50):
The expectation level at LSU and any of these places
now is probably so unrealistic because they're still comparing it
to an era that may.

Speaker 2 (01:55:59):
Have ended just like two years ago.

Speaker 4 (01:56:00):
Absolutely, Nick Saban got out while the getting was good.
He saw the portal coming in Nil and all this
stuff being a problem and building dynasties is going to
be more of an issue now or tougher than it
ever has been.

Speaker 3 (01:56:12):
And now Saban's name has popped up interestingly when it
comes to the LSU job as old stomping grounds, whether
or not he'll take them up on it.

Speaker 2 (01:56:18):
And the shared championship with USC, we'll.

Speaker 3 (01:56:20):
Have to see, all right. Is f and A on
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Speaker 4 (01:56:25):
Doing down here Fna.

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Speaker 2 (01:56:52):
Mark Let's get to it two on two on Get
It to It all Right?

Speaker 4 (01:56:59):
Speaking of too, we both went two and two last
week's right, I'm sixteen and sixteen overall, Kevin is nineteen and.

Speaker 2 (01:57:07):
Thirteen total ownership.

Speaker 4 (01:57:09):
Kevin, give me an on, give me a favorite that
you got winning.

Speaker 3 (01:57:13):
Got the Patriots five and a half over the Atlanta Falcons.
We talked about Drake May earlier in the show with
Trey Wingo. He is bawling his ass off the Falcons.
I cannot figure them out on a weekend week out basis.
And I don't know if Michael Pennix will be back
and if it's Kirk Cousins, because that looked really bad
last week.

Speaker 2 (01:57:28):
Yeah, so that looked like Kurt. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:57:31):
So I'm taking the Patriots and covering the five and
a half points spread over the Falcons.

Speaker 4 (01:57:35):
I got good news for you. Somehow, it's down to
four and a half. Now, Oh look at that. I'll
take it. I just brought this up on bet mgm
oh sweet, and I'm taking that too. You know, I
love the Patriots. I took him last week and they
covered for me. I will also go with on and on.
There's so many favorites I like this week, actually, which

(01:57:57):
is rare, which means I'll probably pick the wrong one here.

Speaker 2 (01:58:00):
But I've kind of been going back and forth on this.

Speaker 4 (01:58:05):
You know what, Packers minus thirteen back home against the Panthers.
I talked myself into it. I think they're about to
start rolling Green Bay. Those style points are coming.

Speaker 2 (01:58:17):
I think we thought that the first seven weeks of
the season. This time is gonna be different. This time
is gonna be real, especially if.

Speaker 4 (01:58:22):
Andy Dalton gets any rests.

Speaker 2 (01:58:24):
Well, we'll see who do you got. I'm going with
the Chargers nine and a half.

Speaker 3 (01:58:29):
That that actually went up from nine to nine and
a half point favorites over the Titans. I think they
steam roll Tennessee, won't even be competitive. Titans in the
hunt for the first overall pick for a second year
in a row.

Speaker 4 (01:58:40):
All Right, we're going off of the favorites here onto
a couple of dogs.

Speaker 3 (01:58:47):
I will give you one of mine.

Speaker 4 (01:58:49):
And I can't believe I'm doing this. No, I shouldn't
do it. No, I shouldn't do it. I didn't think
about this a little bit more.

Speaker 2 (01:58:54):
I will do this one.

Speaker 4 (01:58:56):
Denver plus two and a half on the road against
the Texan. Okay, everything you said was true. The Texas
might be better now, So what Denver could lose by one?
You win the bet, or that you could just win
straight up because how many games did they win in
a row?

Speaker 2 (01:59:10):
Now, Yeah, Denver looks really good.

Speaker 4 (01:59:12):
Their defense is that good against that offensive line, they
have the best what plus minus differential plus twenty eight
their sacks versus sacks given up. So their offensive line
and defensive line have been great in Denver in the trenches.

Speaker 2 (01:59:26):
No doubt.

Speaker 3 (01:59:27):
And their offense has been somewhat inconsistent and it hasn't
even mattered and they haven't hit their stride yet on
the offensive side of the ball, but that may have
began last week against Dallas. My offen going with the
Bills two point dogs against Kansas City. Buffalo has not
been impressive this season, but dominated your Panthers last week.
I know they hear the noise about people saying they
haven't been that good so far this year. So this
is a showcase game for them against Kansas City, the

(01:59:48):
class of the AFC. At this point in time, I'm
taking the Bills to cover the two point spread against
Kansas City. All right, give me your other off I
need more time to think I shouldn't do it. I
shouldn't do it, but I'm gonna do it. I'm taking
the Raiders to cover the three point spread at home
the Jaguars. Brock Bauers is back coming off of a bye.
Granted saw the Jaguars, but I think the Raiders take
advantage of being at home getting Bowers back. The Jaguars

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got blown out by the Rams. I think they are
planing out the string. I think they're gonna be a
disappointment this weekend. I take the Raiders to cover the
three points bread against the Jaguars. No Travis Hunter for
the Jaguars.

Speaker 2 (02:00:19):
He's on ir.

Speaker 4 (02:00:19):
You remember how the Jaguars are dead to me. It's
after losing me that bet in London against the Rams
where I went off about Trevor Lawrence being on the
hot seat even though they didn't play last week, and
I said, they're gonna lose that first game out of
the bye week to the Raiders.

Speaker 2 (02:00:37):
So I am with you.

Speaker 4 (02:00:39):
Raiders plus three at home against the Jaguars Raiders forever.

Speaker 3 (02:00:46):
So of course they're gonna lose by seventeen. Is how
this thing is gonna end up going here The Raiders shuck.
Thank you for that, Thank you Mark, thank you Breed,
thank you guys for listening project and il next on
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