November 1, 2025 • 40 mins
In a new episode of Project NIL with Anthony Gargano & William Penn Charter School Director of Athletics Danny DiBerardinis react to LSU firing Brian Kelly, a G League controversy & how playing different sports can really expand younger athletes with their athleticism, future & opportunities.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Don't listening to Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Well, good morning, good morning, good morning, happy. Uh November Saturday,
November one. This is project and I L youth sports,
prep sports and of course ni L and college as.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Uh. It is just a wild It is really the
wild West.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
I'm Anthony Gargano, Danny di Bernadinas, who is of the incredible,
a d for Penn Charter High School and a.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Dear friend of mine.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Uh, I've learned so much during this world.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Good morning, good morning, Danny day, good morning.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
Cause how we doing brother.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
We're doing good, buddy, We're doing good. Happy November one?
Speaker 4 (00:54):
Crazy? That is November first, by the way.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
It's crazy, dude. It's saying what it's like now, Like
what's new in your world?
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Is this? Uh?
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Now you get ready for the winter season? So basketball
and when do you guys tip off?
Speaker 4 (01:11):
Yeah, we have a winter sports coaches meeting in two weeks.
So that makes it surreal, right that the fall is
slowly coming to an end. So yeah, it's a wild
time to really think that we're already in November and
that we're pivoting to the winter sports season. Basketball starts
the fifteenth, I believe, so, uh, winter sports, Yeah, two
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weeks crazy crazy things.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Wow, two weeks. Yeah, look at that.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
So how does it work? Football watch? I know we
had a I was at a game last night. We
got playoffs starting around the corner. So let's kind of
put kind of a situation where we're at when it
comes to UH to UH football.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
Yeah, it really depends on your state association or your league.
For Penn Charter and to interact, we have one more week,
they just do a regular season award more much like
the IVY League. So next week ends football for Penn Charter.
But a lot of state associations are going into state playoffs,
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so you're qualifying this weekend or the previous and their
state playoffs are starting and going the next month or so.
So it really depends on where you are in the
country and how your state association plays out. But historically
most of them go from November to December. This next
month will be the state playoffs and we'll see how
it all shakes out in your classification and your state.
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See who's the top teams the nationally.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
So I got a question for it.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Do you see the way college you see high school
starting to mimic college? Where to start to add games,
and like you'll see the season longer almost.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Yeah, they're trying to play more games than ever. So
depending on your state, association been moving up. There's a
week zero now before it was the week one. They're
starting earlier in August, and then they're you know, they're
trying to pack. There's not as many bye weeks. In
the past, you might have had a bye week or
two building your schedule. Now these teams are really trying
to load up and just get as many games as possible.
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So you would see most high school football teams may
playing eight to nine games. Now I think it's common
to play anywhere from ten to twelve and really maximizing
each week and really trying to find a competition to
play each week, and really.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Trying to get the national games going a lot more
national Yeah, because you can see it, like now you
can see teams starting you got your national programs, and
then you could start to see schools starting to play
more games.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
Yeah, really building out that non league schedule and attacking
it early, making sure you're playing before Labor Day, playing
on Labor Day, and really playing as many games as
you can before you get into the league play and
your state Association, because once that starts up, you're really
locked in and you don't have the flexibility to play
non league games unless you have like an odd number
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in your league and maybe you have a bye week
and you can maybe fill it that way.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
All right, So before we get into.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
We got a whole bunch of things that I got
to dive into with you, But before we do it all,
the one thing I do want to discuss because it's
so fresh in the news with Brian Kelly being fired,
is like the dramatic shift that we've seen here in
college sports with these coaches getting fired.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
So the more.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Emphasis on win win, win, win win, which you know, listen,
that's that's what it is. But with the nil money
coming in, we've seen parody. So all of a sudden,
the blue the blue blood programs aren't having the same
success of dominance. Right the stretch of dominance from the
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blue bloods aren't there, so we seem unprecedented. Penn State, Florida, LSU, Arkansas,
Virginia Tech all opened right now mid mid season.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
It's crazy.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
And I think the main reason of this is the
portal starts in January, so if they're going to wait,
they want to have these coaches lined up the second
that opens, so they have to be way more proactive
in making these decisions on their coaches. Historically it was
always at the end of the season. It's so rare
to see this happening, and it's across the country. It's
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not just one or two like you just listed. So
they have to be ready and they want to have
their coaches in place when the portal opens because how
valuable it is and how they have to attack it
to build these rosters out. So they're just saying, hey,
we got to jump in now. We have to rip
the band aid off and we have to be locked
and loaded with our checkbook open and a strategy and
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a coach in place the second these portals open.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Well, the checkbook you mentioned, I mean, these coaches have
huge buyouts. Monster like, so the governor of LSU we
saw it, We saw it.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Yeah, yeah, I'm excuse me.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
The governor of the Governor of Louisiana steps in right away.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
It was like, I'm hiring the coach, not the e d. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
That was a great conference.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
I mean, oh my, you.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Know he went that is off of the money that
was owed by Brian Kelly to to Brian Kelly. There
was all this talk about Brian Kelly being happy the
day he was leaving, like he got his, me got
his The governor's upset, you know, and then meanwhile it's
like the good people of Louisiana's state dollars are going
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to payout Brian Kelly fifty million.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
He doesn't he could just sit home and it seems like,
you know, he's had a good career, so you know,
like you know, the Franklins of the world are going
to die back in they still have years left. But
Brian Kelly, he could just become an announcer, stay at home,
and he can collect that check and LSU will have
to pay him every cent of that fifty million plus
to move on from him and kind of rebuild their program.
(07:21):
Right now.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Well, it's interesting because the governor, you know, part like
you can see salty about that, and then you start
to wonder and you go, wait a second, we're spending
tax dollars on a failed coach.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Yeah, like there's something that missed there.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
In these state schools, right their funding comes from the
state a lot of times, and you know, there is
boosters and there is you know, alums that are playing in,
but also some that money's coming from the state and people.
It's it's affecting a lot more people than you'd think.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
And you wonder how long until there's massive change to
this thing, Like you wonder, you know, you know, I
wonder if the federal governant gets involved at some point,
because they've already talked, there's always already been whispers down
the lane about the federal government, government get you know,
coming in and like in fact, they're being asked to
(08:14):
come in to to provide some sort of stability. I mean,
the minute the NIL thing started to go through, you've
you've had chaos exactly.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
The issue is, though, since they came in with no
guardrails and no parameters, it's really hard to hone it
back in because these kids' civil rights come into play.
We opened it up so now they can fight and
sue if they decide to like really hone it in
because of how wild it is and how how they're earning,
and you know, if we say we're going to really
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limit it and put a put more parameters on it,
they can fight back and be like, hey, you're you know,
you're violating our civil rights and our ability to earn money.
So it's it's a wild, wild thing that I think
will probably end up in the Supreme Court at some
point just because of they're going to have to find
some middle ground. But there's definitely gonna be resistance on
both sides, and it's going to play out in a
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crazy way.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
I believe. Yeah. And I wonder if the endgame.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
And you've heard it kind of in whispers so far,
but I wonder if the end game is gonna be
where they lease the program out to wealthy individuals like
you you know, basically have owners in the NFL. You'll
have guys that own college programs.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
Yeah, venture capital firms are exploring nil and like fronting
you know, university's money for you know, to have influence
down the line in projects and you know, construction, and
to have influence on how they go in certain directions.
So it is something that these firms are getting involved
in and looking at because they even though it would
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be a large investment on their part early on, they
can see you know, the money coming back to them
a big way. So again, it is expanding in the
avenues and resources that you could never imagine, right, venture
capital firms back in.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
No, Yeah, and you could just see it kind of
where they'll just won't basically lease the program and you'll
have an owner. But I mean you have you know
Larry Ellison Michigan, right, Like the reason why they have
all that ability to spend is because of him, Right,
(10:30):
So you have a billionaire behind you. Yep, at some
point every one of these programs is just going to
reach out to the alum and the wealthiest of the
alum or you talked about the VC people, private equity people,
that they'll just wind up taking over the program because
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you can't ask an a D.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
You're an a D. You're a high school a D.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
You're also going to run you have an athletic program
to run, right, So you have all how many sports.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Do you have?
Speaker 4 (11:03):
A twenty varsity sports?
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Okay, so you have twenty varsity sports that you have
to run.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
You can't now run a football program that's basically an
NFL franchise. Like when you're looking at Ohio State, You're
now you're now running an NFL franchise a million dollars
a year, right, So like you you don't have enough
I meant, I mean, I you're bright, dude, can you
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run on the side. Oh yeah, while I'm while I'm
doing all this, I'm gonna run an NFL franchise.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
I mean, it's crazy, it's it's it's a whole new world. Man,
it's a wild it's a wild place. And again it
evolves every day and like to pivot off as it
will touch later. Is like the two main questions are,
how do these programs sustain it?
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Right?
Speaker 4 (11:53):
How do these programs continue to fight? And then the
other side of it is is amateur sports dead? Right?
Are we are we moving on from amateur sports?
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Right?
Speaker 4 (12:01):
Like there are two questions that we'll dive into today
and try to discuss. But like that's what you have
to think about, like or it's just it's a semi
professional league that we have now, well, I don't even
know it's semi I mean I think it wull fledged right,
Like it's full fledged professional leagues.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
And here's the crazy thing about college football. It pays
more than the NFL. Like if I'm an NFL coach
like in oc or that I'm one of the next guys.
Why if if I'm Joe Brady, what are my nuts?
I'm going after Penn State? Like why why wouldn't I
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go after Florida or l s U. I don't think
Saban's gonna come out. I don't want to back out.
I don't think Irban Meyer is going to take one
of these things. I think you know, you're you're looking
at the pool of coaches now, and with the way
it's all structured, if I'm in the NFL, I'll go
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to college because I gonna make more.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
Yeah, And that's the thing, like, I don't think these
guys are gonna come out. But they're talking about they're
paying more in college than they are in NFL. Right,
so you can go get one hundred and twenty million
as a college coach.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Right, I mean that's my point.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
Yeah, it's crazy. And then on the other side of it,
these kids like for one year, like your rookie contract,
you might make six million, right, some of these guys
just stay. If you're in the top guy, you're getting
ten to twelve in one year, right as to come back.
So the flip side of it is, you're not starting
your clock for your next contract in the NFL. Right,
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that's the thing. Hey, you're following your dreams. You want
to be a professional athlete. But the flip side is
you got to start that clock to get to your
second contract and injury. But there's a really fair point
to say, hey, take the guaranteed money you can make
double staying in college for an extra year. If you're
one of those a little.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
You also make that money works for you, right, Yeah,
So you're that and so the and the other aspect
is to your point, there's no guarantees that you're gonna
go out and be I mean, look at Arch right,
there's no guarantee that you're gonna go all of a
sudden going to the NFL and flourished. I mean we've
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already seen we saw, you know, Carson Wentz story, and
we saw these stories like the second contract is not
always guaranteed.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
Yeah, and even with like quinn Ewers, right, Like I
was talking to an NIL agent interesting enough this week,
and quinn Ewers was a number one high school player
in the country. He his you know, grade was as
high as you can get coming out of high school.
He bounced around Ohio State, Texas, he went and got
drafted in like the seventh round. They were saying he
could have got four million, five million to come back
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to college. So like he should have took that four
or five million, And you know, I'm not sure what
his contract is right now in the NFL, but I
know the totality, we're probably eight to ten being that
lad of addrest pick right where he would have had five,
four to five if you would have came back. And
it's a week quarterback class. You can't tell at the time,
but like now, he could have solidified himself as a
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first round, second round pick and had that money to
come out. So it's interesting to see how it plays out.
Obviously hindsight's twenty twenty, but you can't you can't look
in the past. But he was like, this is a
prime example of why you should have came back.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Yeah, I know, So here you go. Quinnin Ewers is
a four year rookie contract with the Dolphins that's worth
four point three to three million.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
Yep, could have had it won one swoop one swoop
going into transfer.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
That's a four year deal and he has that in
one season. Yeah, probably text us and probably more.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
Yeah, he left Texas in his market because he had,
you know, had a great season. Uh would have been
in that area. And the quarterback class this year obviously
is it's watered down as of right now. They obviously
was projecting out really strong with Arch and and you know,
Drew Allard and those guys, and they kind of didn't
have the season that they people.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Thought it's amazing, man, like the one Cas Fizzle.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
Yeah, Drew Allard is going to you know who knows
reason end up and Arch is most likely going back
to college. So it's hard to you know, to project
the future. But he could have made four million, five
million in the portal and then came out and been
a first or second round pick and guaranteed himself another
twenty twenty five million.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Yeah, I think you always, you know, I remember saying
talking about it on my show, saying, you got to stay.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
I don't know what you're doing.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
That's gonna be the cautionary tale, right, That's gonna be
the pitch for these schools is like, hey man, stick
it out, Like look at look at this, look at
this story, right, Like you could have stuck it out
and you know, had a great season here and we
would have paid you what your whole rookie contract would
have been, and you give yourself another opportunity to prove yourself.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Yeah. Yeah, it's it's Oh, it's so completely wid. I
mean there are times it's funny.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
I was tall with a friend of mine who's in television,
and we had this whole conversation about what was going on,
and he's like, this is not like when you're seeing
the grand standing by the governor of Louisiana.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
I mean, it's wild.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
I know that the governor of Nebraska is frequently at
the program with Matt Ruhle and the Huskers.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
Yeah, a lot of these especially these states where there's
not big professional teams. Man colleges is all they have
right as far as in the sports, and then they
live and die with it. I was just down in
Oklahoma last weekend and I saw firsthand. So you see
the passion behind it, and you know that the constituents are,
you know, all fired up about it, so that you
know it makes sense that the governor is holding press
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conferences about who's the next coach at Ali she was
going to be in that. He even came out and
said the athletic director is not making the higher like
he's gonna.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Be well since the a D is no more president,
and that, yeah, he's out there. Okay, you got it, buddy, Uh,
it's well, just be careful because you're playing like someday
when you're I don't know if you're you know, your
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career will take you to college. I how want you
love the high school level, but if you somehow decide
to go to college, be wary of one thing. The
political aspect of it is there too, so you know,
they're from opposite parties, the governor and the A D.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
And I think that that that came.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Into play a little bit too, So you have the whole,
you know, the whole political element that was playing out
at LSU as well.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
All Right, we got lots to get to.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
H I got a mail bag that's full because we
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All right, I would to show this by real quick,
and then I know you got a couple of things
playing for US. So earlier this week, I was talking
to the president of the Philadelphia Union. His name is
Tim McDermott. In fact, his brother is Sean McDermott, who
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is the coach of the Bills.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
Great Family College high school grad Sean McDermott.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Yes, so Sew was telling me about how the Union
has started the really the first all in soccer high
school academy, I mean youth academy. So you go to this,
you get invited, you go and you go to school there,
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like you go and you you play soccer and go
to go to school. Like that's it. That's your that's
your life. Like that's and it's the model in Europe.
It's also the model with a lot of Olympic sports,
like if you're an Olympic, if you're an Olympian, like
you do one sport and you get homeschooled or you
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go to these academy type of things. So the Philadelphia
Union soccer program team has this youth program where you're
basically living on campus doing soccer in school.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
Yeah. Union is really they do a really good job
and they've been at the forefront of this, so they
have the full floodge academy for their high school kids
where they're doing education. They're giving them housing to be
on there to work on their craft. You know, they're
playing soccer or living it. They're breathing it. You know,
they're doing it all day. There's also, you know, an
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education part. There's also a lot of these academies that
allow you to you know, go to your regular high
school and you train on the side. The Union is
more all in where you're going to high school and
you're training all day. And they also are in the
forefront of They're doing a lot with inner city kids.
They have a program called Swag, which is tied into
the Union. They're involved in the inner city and they're
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doing youth programs to kind of filter into their own academy. Right,
so they're doing a lot of youth stuff and different
variations where they have youth a Union youth academy, but
they also have this thing called Swag which is really growing.
I was involved with them at my previous stop at
Saint George Prepp. We housed them a lot in the
winter time on our indoor facilities. But the Union is
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doing great. They have a lot of guys in their
in their you know system that are going to play
overseas at the highest level. We're going to play for
the team USA at the highest level. And there's a
kid actually that lives two blocks for me, that lives
on campus and is playing for the Union and he's
playing for the U sixteen national team. This kid named
Landon Molvenna and h I talked to him a couple
of weeks ago, and he's really enjoying his experience and
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he's just getting better every day and he's all in,
you know, he wants he's following his dream and the
Union's giving him that platform to really try to take
that next step.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
So, all right, so that we get in this discussion
of specialization. So Ten is like, like, you know, we
always talk about, hey, it's good to be a multi
sport athlete and everything else. He was like, no, you
gotta specialize that.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
He believed that technical sports.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
He's like, if you want to wrestle, you want to
play soccer, He goes, football is a little different, but
if it's a technical sport, you gotta be all in
and that's.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
All you gotta do. Yeah, we were kind of like
debating a little bit.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
It does depend on the sport.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
Right.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
I do really believe it depends on the sport. There's
certain sports in certain positions where your body wears down
and it's really good to be able to do both.
So soccer at the highest level maybe, right, if you
think you're going to play professional maybe specialization works. But
the bigger sports like football, like I can I have
a prime example for football, kid who's at Ohio State
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right now, was a wrestler as well, right, And the
wrestling really helped him become better at football, right, with
the hands and getting strong younger, and he became he
wasn't you know, just big recruit, and he ended up
playing defensive line at Ohio State, and wrestling was something
that really was vital to his success in football.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
Right.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
There's a lot of guys who played baseball and basketball
or you know, basketball and lacrosse. It does translate in
a lot of sports. So I'm on the other side
of it now there. I do agree with them. In
certain sports it is important to specialize, but the question
is to what level, Right, if you're going to be
a college athlete, Sure, if you want to think you're
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gonna go play in Europe and play soccer, maybe you
have to donate all your time to that, right. It
really depends on the situation, I.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Believe, yeah, because one of the things that I do fear.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Is the burnout. Like baseball.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
I just don't know how you do baseball three sixty
five as a kid, especially if you're a pitcher, right,
or you're well, you can't like you you can't do
it with your arm. But you know, if you're if
you if you're just regular at you're an outfielder or
your third baseman, you're a shortstop, right and you're to
take ground balls and you hit all year around. Like
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the issue with it would that would bother me? And
I love baseball is burnout, Yeah, like burnout for something
like that, you know, like let's be real for a second.
Basketball's fun like basketball if you no, I mean, it's
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also the hardest sport, right, But basketball's fun.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
Like you're like you're always the game itself.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Because even practice is like like football, practice is not fun.
Like I don't love football, but football is not fun, right,
Like it's work to be ten it's very tenious.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
You know. Basketball has a little bit of that.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
But basketball is just the fun bite nature fun and
baseball is fun.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
But it's funny.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
It could be boring after a walk because you're not
playing like the winner workouts. You know, you're not playing
games right as once as you take VP. It's way
different than may be, kay, and it as much as
sometimes you know, I wonder how sometimes you know, hitting
(27:25):
mechanics come into play, right, Yeah, like you gotta work
at it, and I'm all for it, but nothing substitute
live pitcher.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
So I just got a text from one of our
listeners and he's a legendary coach in the area, Bobby Deepadetto,
and he just said, you know, like zero point five
percent or one percent play professional soccer, so that maybe
they should, you know, specialize, right, But for the large masses, right,
and the kid that really loves the sport, two sports
(27:57):
are really important, right, And so he makes a good point.
It's such a small percentage that are going to play
at that level. So it does make sense for that
small percentage, but that's you know, zero point five percent
or a point percent of the entire population.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
It's a great point. It's a great, great, great point.
Here here's what the counter is, Well, how do I
know my kids not that?
Speaker 3 (28:23):
Now?
Speaker 2 (28:24):
You know, you also want to suspend disbelief as long
as possible, right, like Europe, like trust me every week
every day. In youth sports, it's like going to a movie.
You're suspending disbelief. You're going like, you know, good analogy,
you know, like I know, intellectually my kid's not gonna
(28:45):
go pro, right, but you never know. And I got
to keep him in the game and keep the dream alive.
And whatever you dream is played in high school, played
in college, whatever it is. I got to keep the
dream alive as long as I can to give me
opportunity because maybe he's a late bloomer. Maybe it happens
(29:06):
after puberty like certain ones like I always like basketball,
The answer is no, right, like even my own.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Son, who loves basketball.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Right, I'm like, dude, you could play for your school,
but that's it. Yeah, and he's actually good, like he's
a football player. But I'm like, you're not going to
be six', five all right or six. Seven maybe it
means a chance to be like over six, feet but
like you're not going to be six. Seven you're you,
(29:38):
know basketball is too it dominates the space too. Much
you're good at football and good at, baseball, Right and
even though you're good at. Basketball now you don't. Produce
i'm not projecting you as you. Know you're all in
who So i'm.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
NOT i. WON'T i won't let him.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
PLAY aau AND i he. Can you, know they ask
him all the, time can he play? Travel can he do?
THIS i get calls all the time for these. People i'm, like,
no he's not doing.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
It, Yeah AND i understand that side of, it. Right
you want to hold hope and you want to give
him every. Opportunity but playing multiple sports gets you, stronger
gets you, better and then if you're that, good they're
going to find. You if you're that one, percent they're
going to find, you and then you can, specialize, RIGHT
i mean until that. HAPPENS i think the advice for,
me as someone who's been in athletics and has been
(30:27):
an athletic director is continue to play multiple. Sports don't
hone in at a young, age and you, know try
a bunch of different, things continue to develop your, body,
developing play different, things and if you are in that
lottery one percent point five percent of a percentage, point
they're going to find. You and then that's maybe that's
(30:48):
the time where you, say, hey we're going to just
lock in and play one.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
Sport that makes that makes, sense that's why you're the
at that while You're danny d, alright all, right we'll
take a quick time out and then we'll come back
and then you lay out what you have for.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
Us.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
YEAH i had to get there with a bunch of
BECAUSE i was Debating tim with this and he's, like, no, no,
no one sport devoted because you're gonna fall. Behind and
he was freaking me.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
Out That i'm like an, organization right. Know SO i,
know again it's a very small. PERCENTAGE i understand him
and his, point but again it's to a very limited.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Base, WELL i, mean think about how many kids that
he has at each level at The union uh, facility,
right even those kids aren't all going to make.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
It and there, No i've seen so many kids that
were a part of that academy that ended up Playing
division two, Soccer division three. Soccer, like it's not a
guarantee that because you went to his academy you you're
going to be a professional or play at the highest.
Level i've seen it, firsthand, right you.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
Know all, right take quick, tie will come right.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Back this is project AND i L danny de bernadinas
a D penn. Shotter I'm Anthony gargano right here On
Fox Sports Radio Welcome Back, project AND i.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
AL i don't want.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
TO i know you had some stuff, played SO i
want to get you rolling with.
Speaker 4 (32:20):
That, well we can touch briefly on it if we
got to, pivot just because it tied into what we
were talking about. Earlier so a story this week where
two guys who played in THE G, league right they
they've got amateur status and so they were paid to
play in the you, KNOW G. League they're twenty, one
twenty two years, old they're going back to college and
(32:41):
they're going to play in college's upcoming, season so and
they'll have a couple of years of eligibility. Left so
it really it's just shows the changing landscape AND ncaa
and especially in basketball now where the rule previous was
if you were paid at any point to play, basketball
not play in. College right, now obviously the players are getting,
(33:03):
paid so that that opens the question of like who's
an amateur who's? Not you, know and we, said, right
college sports are really not amateur. Anymore so it just
opens up this really really this can of, worms, right
because Like, historically if you played professional overseas and you were,
paid which happens a lot over, there at a young,
(33:23):
age you were not able to go to. College so
now these college you, know, programs they're they're they're looking,
around and they're looking overseas, more they're looking in THE G.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
League oh my, god, dude they're not even looking at high.
Speaker 4 (33:37):
Schools so, that my, one is really difficult to Get
division one scholarships at the high school. Level now they're
really dying down where you know that was kind of
where you replenished and you were very aggressive as you
know these. Programs now there's this other, hurdle which, is you,
know you can go to THE G, league and they're
(33:58):
not saying it's. Legal Dancy double are looking at it
case by, case but it seems like they're just opening the.
Door so there's two cases this week where, she, yeah
this one guy's gonna go To Santa, clair he's gonna
have two years eligibility's twenty one years. Old and then another,
guy four, star he played in THE G. League he's
two years of eligibility and he's going To.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
Louisville so how are they.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
How do they looking at their, Eligibility like how do
they determine? That is it how many years they spent
in THE G league and they'll and they're taking off
their eligibility like.
Speaker 4 (34:33):
That, YEAH i think they're doing that with a combination of.
Age they're both you, know twenty twenty one years, old
and they both were eligible for two years to, play
so they'll be playing until they're twenty, three which is
pretty the common. AGE i think the age also WITH
i guess how many years they might have played in
THE G league post high. School maybe that's how they
factored in how many years out of high school they've
(34:54):
been to figure out the eligibility of. It so it's
a wild topic THAT i think we just have to
keep an eye. On AND i just wanted to inform
people that this is another aspect of the hurdle and
another hurdle out there for these high school, kids, right
and you, know don't sniff at you, know These division
two scholarships that are gonna be coming your. Way right
(35:15):
if you're a high school athlete or you're a, parent
it's really important to have this information to understand what
the playing field is looking like and how you should
go about your recruitment because it's ever. Evolving but these
are things that we never thought we'd see that are
now in play that you have to.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Navigate so so some of this, conversation somebody was telling me.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
You might the new way.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
For and this is a, shame but the new reality for,
athletes high school athletes is to. Climb view it like
your climbing a. Ladder, yes so THE d, TWO d,
three whatever you do that you, excel you climb up
and you get a bigger, school and then you just
(36:05):
climb that. Way but what it does is it's so
wrong because you now the idea of the college experience
and going to, university he's dead because.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
You're just gonna go To you're gonna wind up going
to three to five. Universities that's WHAT i.
Speaker 4 (36:26):
Say and as an athletic, director you know you want
these kids to have the best four years with. Yours
so it's tough because your coach is doing everything, well
you're doing everything, Well you're you're believing in someone and
when maybe when someone else didn't believe in, them but
the system is telling them be, disloyal go keep moving,
up and you can't fault. Thematic this is the system
(36:47):
that it's out. There so you can't be mad at
the kid of their family because they're trying to better.
Themselves but staying out of college for four years and
having that pride like you do in your high school
is dying and that that hurts me as an athletic
director who someone's in, it BECAUSE i love the pridefulness
of people who you, know graduate and who've come through
(37:07):
your program and have had spent time and in the
culture that they. Love, Right but at the other, side
you can't be mad at. Them this is the culture
that is out there now and this is the system
that they have to.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Navigate, yeah, YEAH i gotta tell you.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
It feels. Wrong it's a, shame.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
But it feels wrong because now of a sudden we're,
like what do you do for a kid if who doesn't?
RECLASS i know we had a mutual friend of ours,
past The beautiful, family The folk family are in fact
our prayers go out to. Them BUT i was in
line with the coach and we were just talking about
(37:52):
this whole. Idea you don't, reclass you're at the huge
disadvantage not only from a development, situation but also from, like,
hey where AM i going even Though i'm, Good where
AM i going IF i graduated?
Speaker 4 (38:10):
Eighteen, yeah it's tough because you're going against guys that
are just played professional sports for two three years and
are twenty two years, old, Right that's who you're fighting,
against and how can you be ready to compete for a.
Spot and on the flip, side these coaches are, like
we have to do this because our jobs are on the, line,
Right so we want more, established more, mature, stronger faster
(38:34):
people who might be more. Seasoned so, again the system
in my eyes is broken right now In Nancy douba
and again it really it has having a trickle down
effect to high school and to you. Sports and in
a couple, weeks we're going to have a good friend
of mine come on the show and he'll talk more into.
It he's the head associate head coach At buck, now
(38:54):
so they're a mid to low major. Program so he
sees it right like he has to live in a
poor but also he understands like his kids are going
to get poached when they have a good, year, Right
so he can talk more about it and dive. In
And i'm excited to Have Matt griffin on the show
in the coming.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
Weeks, YEAH i GUESS i just worry about you know
that that kid like? It really you if you're if
you your child has any aspirations of playing, ball, man
you really you gotta be you gotta get.
Speaker 4 (39:27):
Informed Uh so keep listening to, us, Right we'll keep
trying to drop knowledge on.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
You yeah you.
Speaker 4 (39:32):
Can, yeah there's so many things that people don't know
and these like situations like this that people aren't aware. Of,
Right so we're just going to continue to keep trying
to give you this information and help you try to
navigate and.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
Think it's, Crazy, danny it's so, wild you know, again
you know you start to think about.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
It if you can get that, education that's.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
The number one, goal right, yeah but you know if
there's something, BEYOND i, mean it's it's it's crazy.
Speaker 3 (40:01):
Man the whole thing is just.
Speaker 4 (40:03):
Trying to think long. Term that's.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
All but all, right you got to get a hold of. You,
uh how do they do? It what was the? Question
and people want to get a hold of? You how
do they do?
Speaker 4 (40:11):
It right on on act you can find me At
Daniel UNDERSCORE d five one.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
Five there you, go all, right that's gonna do it
for project at N Il fella is coming up next
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
Well, good morning, good morning, good morning, happy. Uh November Saturday,
November one. This is project and I L youth sports,
prep sports and of course ni L and college as.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Uh. It is just a wild It is really the
wild West.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
I'm Anthony Gargano, Danny di Bernadinas, who is of the incredible,
a d for Penn Charter High School and a.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Dear friend of mine.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Uh, I've learned so much during this world.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Good morning, good morning, Danny day, good morning.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
Cause how we doing brother.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
We're doing good, buddy, We're doing good. Happy November one?
Speaker 4 (00:54):
Crazy? That is November first, by the way.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
It's crazy, dude. It's saying what it's like now, Like
what's new in your world?
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Is this? Uh?
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Now you get ready for the winter season? So basketball
and when do you guys tip off?
Speaker 4 (01:11):
Yeah, we have a winter sports coaches meeting in two weeks.
So that makes it surreal, right that the fall is
slowly coming to an end. So yeah, it's a wild
time to really think that we're already in November and
that we're pivoting to the winter sports season. Basketball starts
the fifteenth, I believe, so, uh, winter sports, Yeah, two
(01:33):
weeks crazy crazy things.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Wow, two weeks. Yeah, look at that.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
So how does it work? Football watch? I know we
had a I was at a game last night. We
got playoffs starting around the corner. So let's kind of
put kind of a situation where we're at when it
comes to UH to UH football.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
Yeah, it really depends on your state association or your league.
For Penn Charter and to interact, we have one more week,
they just do a regular season award more much like
the IVY League. So next week ends football for Penn Charter.
But a lot of state associations are going into state playoffs,
(02:15):
so you're qualifying this weekend or the previous and their
state playoffs are starting and going the next month or so.
So it really depends on where you are in the
country and how your state association plays out. But historically
most of them go from November to December. This next
month will be the state playoffs and we'll see how
it all shakes out in your classification and your state.
(02:37):
See who's the top teams the nationally.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
So I got a question for it.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Do you see the way college you see high school
starting to mimic college? Where to start to add games,
and like you'll see the season longer almost.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Yeah, they're trying to play more games than ever. So
depending on your state, association been moving up. There's a
week zero now before it was the week one. They're
starting earlier in August, and then they're you know, they're
trying to pack. There's not as many bye weeks. In
the past, you might have had a bye week or
two building your schedule. Now these teams are really trying
to load up and just get as many games as possible.
(03:17):
So you would see most high school football teams may
playing eight to nine games. Now I think it's common
to play anywhere from ten to twelve and really maximizing
each week and really trying to find a competition to
play each week, and really.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Trying to get the national games going a lot more
national Yeah, because you can see it, like now you
can see teams starting you got your national programs, and
then you could start to see schools starting to play
more games.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
Yeah, really building out that non league schedule and attacking
it early, making sure you're playing before Labor Day, playing
on Labor Day, and really playing as many games as
you can before you get into the league play and
your state Association, because once that starts up, you're really
locked in and you don't have the flexibility to play
non league games unless you have like an odd number
(04:05):
in your league and maybe you have a bye week
and you can maybe fill it that way.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
All right, So before we get into.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
We got a whole bunch of things that I got
to dive into with you, But before we do it all,
the one thing I do want to discuss because it's
so fresh in the news with Brian Kelly being fired,
is like the dramatic shift that we've seen here in
college sports with these coaches getting fired.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
So the more.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Emphasis on win win, win, win win, which you know, listen,
that's that's what it is. But with the nil money
coming in, we've seen parody. So all of a sudden,
the blue the blue blood programs aren't having the same
success of dominance. Right the stretch of dominance from the
(05:00):
blue bloods aren't there, so we seem unprecedented. Penn State, Florida, LSU, Arkansas,
Virginia Tech all opened right now mid mid season.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
It's crazy.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
And I think the main reason of this is the
portal starts in January, so if they're going to wait,
they want to have these coaches lined up the second
that opens, so they have to be way more proactive
in making these decisions on their coaches. Historically it was
always at the end of the season. It's so rare
to see this happening, and it's across the country. It's
(05:37):
not just one or two like you just listed. So
they have to be ready and they want to have
their coaches in place when the portal opens because how
valuable it is and how they have to attack it
to build these rosters out. So they're just saying, hey,
we got to jump in now. We have to rip
the band aid off and we have to be locked
and loaded with our checkbook open and a strategy and
(05:59):
a coach in place the second these portals open.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Well, the checkbook you mentioned, I mean, these coaches have
huge buyouts. Monster like, so the governor of LSU we
saw it, We saw it.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Yeah, yeah, I'm excuse me.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
The governor of the Governor of Louisiana steps in right away.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
It was like, I'm hiring the coach, not the e d. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
That was a great conference.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
I mean, oh my, you.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Know he went that is off of the money that
was owed by Brian Kelly to to Brian Kelly. There
was all this talk about Brian Kelly being happy the
day he was leaving, like he got his, me got
his The governor's upset, you know, and then meanwhile it's
like the good people of Louisiana's state dollars are going
(06:58):
to payout Brian Kelly fifty million.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
He doesn't he could just sit home and it seems like,
you know, he's had a good career, so you know,
like you know, the Franklins of the world are going
to die back in they still have years left. But
Brian Kelly, he could just become an announcer, stay at home,
and he can collect that check and LSU will have
to pay him every cent of that fifty million plus
to move on from him and kind of rebuild their program.
(07:21):
Right now.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Well, it's interesting because the governor, you know, part like
you can see salty about that, and then you start
to wonder and you go, wait a second, we're spending
tax dollars on a failed coach.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Yeah, like there's something that missed there.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
In these state schools, right their funding comes from the
state a lot of times, and you know, there is
boosters and there is you know, alums that are playing in,
but also some that money's coming from the state and people.
It's it's affecting a lot more people than you'd think.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
And you wonder how long until there's massive change to
this thing, Like you wonder, you know, you know, I
wonder if the federal governant gets involved at some point,
because they've already talked, there's always already been whispers down
the lane about the federal government, government get you know,
coming in and like in fact, they're being asked to
(08:14):
come in to to provide some sort of stability. I mean,
the minute the NIL thing started to go through, you've
you've had chaos exactly.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
The issue is, though, since they came in with no
guardrails and no parameters, it's really hard to hone it
back in because these kids' civil rights come into play.
We opened it up so now they can fight and
sue if they decide to like really hone it in
because of how wild it is and how how they're earning,
and you know, if we say we're going to really
(08:47):
limit it and put a put more parameters on it,
they can fight back and be like, hey, you're you know,
you're violating our civil rights and our ability to earn money.
So it's it's a wild, wild thing that I think
will probably end up in the Supreme Court at some
point just because of they're going to have to find
some middle ground. But there's definitely gonna be resistance on
both sides, and it's going to play out in a
(09:08):
crazy way.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
I believe. Yeah. And I wonder if the endgame.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
And you've heard it kind of in whispers so far,
but I wonder if the end game is gonna be
where they lease the program out to wealthy individuals like
you you know, basically have owners in the NFL. You'll
have guys that own college programs.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
Yeah, venture capital firms are exploring nil and like fronting
you know, university's money for you know, to have influence
down the line in projects and you know, construction, and
to have influence on how they go in certain directions.
So it is something that these firms are getting involved
in and looking at because they even though it would
(09:54):
be a large investment on their part early on, they
can see you know, the money coming back to them
a big way. So again, it is expanding in the
avenues and resources that you could never imagine, right, venture
capital firms back in.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
No, Yeah, and you could just see it kind of
where they'll just won't basically lease the program and you'll
have an owner. But I mean you have you know
Larry Ellison Michigan, right, Like the reason why they have
all that ability to spend is because of him, Right,
(10:30):
So you have a billionaire behind you. Yep, at some
point every one of these programs is just going to
reach out to the alum and the wealthiest of the
alum or you talked about the VC people, private equity people,
that they'll just wind up taking over the program because
(10:51):
you can't ask an a D.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
You're an a D. You're a high school a D.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
You're also going to run you have an athletic program
to run, right, So you have all how many sports.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Do you have?
Speaker 4 (11:03):
A twenty varsity sports?
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Okay, so you have twenty varsity sports that you have
to run.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
You can't now run a football program that's basically an
NFL franchise. Like when you're looking at Ohio State, You're
now you're now running an NFL franchise a million dollars
a year, right, So like you you don't have enough
I meant, I mean, I you're bright, dude, can you
(11:29):
run on the side. Oh yeah, while I'm while I'm
doing all this, I'm gonna run an NFL franchise.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
I mean, it's crazy, it's it's it's a whole new world. Man,
it's a wild it's a wild place. And again it
evolves every day and like to pivot off as it
will touch later. Is like the two main questions are,
how do these programs sustain it?
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Right?
Speaker 4 (11:53):
How do these programs continue to fight? And then the
other side of it is is amateur sports dead? Right?
Are we are we moving on from amateur sports?
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Right?
Speaker 4 (12:01):
Like there are two questions that we'll dive into today
and try to discuss. But like that's what you have
to think about, like or it's just it's a semi
professional league that we have now, well, I don't even
know it's semi I mean I think it wull fledged right,
Like it's full fledged professional leagues.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
And here's the crazy thing about college football. It pays
more than the NFL. Like if I'm an NFL coach
like in oc or that I'm one of the next guys.
Why if if I'm Joe Brady, what are my nuts?
I'm going after Penn State? Like why why wouldn't I
(12:41):
go after Florida or l s U. I don't think
Saban's gonna come out. I don't want to back out.
I don't think Irban Meyer is going to take one
of these things. I think you know, you're you're looking
at the pool of coaches now, and with the way
it's all structured, if I'm in the NFL, I'll go
(13:03):
to college because I gonna make more.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
Yeah, And that's the thing, like, I don't think these
guys are gonna come out. But they're talking about they're
paying more in college than they are in NFL. Right,
so you can go get one hundred and twenty million
as a college coach.
Speaker 3 (13:15):
Right, I mean that's my point.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
Yeah, it's crazy. And then on the other side of it,
these kids like for one year, like your rookie contract,
you might make six million, right, some of these guys
just stay. If you're in the top guy, you're getting
ten to twelve in one year, right as to come back.
So the flip side of it is, you're not starting
your clock for your next contract in the NFL. Right,
(13:39):
that's the thing. Hey, you're following your dreams. You want
to be a professional athlete. But the flip side is
you got to start that clock to get to your
second contract and injury. But there's a really fair point
to say, hey, take the guaranteed money you can make
double staying in college for an extra year. If you're
one of those a little.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
You also make that money works for you, right, Yeah,
So you're that and so the and the other aspect
is to your point, there's no guarantees that you're gonna
go out and be I mean, look at Arch right,
there's no guarantee that you're gonna go all of a
sudden going to the NFL and flourished. I mean we've
(14:19):
already seen we saw, you know, Carson Wentz story, and
we saw these stories like the second contract is not
always guaranteed.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
Yeah, and even with like quinn Ewers, right, Like I
was talking to an NIL agent interesting enough this week,
and quinn Ewers was a number one high school player
in the country. He his you know, grade was as
high as you can get coming out of high school.
He bounced around Ohio State, Texas, he went and got
drafted in like the seventh round. They were saying he
could have got four million, five million to come back
(14:47):
to college. So like he should have took that four
or five million, And you know, I'm not sure what
his contract is right now in the NFL, but I
know the totality, we're probably eight to ten being that
lad of addrest pick right where he would have had five,
four to five if you would have came back. And
it's a week quarterback class. You can't tell at the time,
but like now, he could have solidified himself as a
(15:09):
first round, second round pick and had that money to
come out. So it's interesting to see how it plays out.
Obviously hindsight's twenty twenty, but you can't you can't look
in the past. But he was like, this is a
prime example of why you should have came back.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Yeah, I know, So here you go. Quinnin Ewers is
a four year rookie contract with the Dolphins that's worth
four point three to three million.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
Yep, could have had it won one swoop one swoop
going into transfer.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
That's a four year deal and he has that in
one season. Yeah, probably text us and probably more.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
Yeah, he left Texas in his market because he had,
you know, had a great season. Uh would have been
in that area. And the quarterback class this year obviously
is it's watered down as of right now. They obviously
was projecting out really strong with Arch and and you know,
Drew Allard and those guys, and they kind of didn't
have the season that they people.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Thought it's amazing, man, like the one Cas Fizzle.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
Yeah, Drew Allard is going to you know who knows
reason end up and Arch is most likely going back
to college. So it's hard to you know, to project
the future. But he could have made four million, five
million in the portal and then came out and been
a first or second round pick and guaranteed himself another
twenty twenty five million.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Yeah, I think you always, you know, I remember saying
talking about it on my show, saying, you got to stay.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
I don't know what you're doing.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
That's gonna be the cautionary tale, right, That's gonna be
the pitch for these schools is like, hey man, stick
it out, Like look at look at this, look at
this story, right, Like you could have stuck it out
and you know, had a great season here and we
would have paid you what your whole rookie contract would
have been, and you give yourself another opportunity to prove yourself.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Yeah. Yeah, it's it's Oh, it's so completely wid. I
mean there are times it's funny.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
I was tall with a friend of mine who's in television,
and we had this whole conversation about what was going on,
and he's like, this is not like when you're seeing
the grand standing by the governor of Louisiana.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
I mean, it's wild.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
I know that the governor of Nebraska is frequently at
the program with Matt Ruhle and the Huskers.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
Yeah, a lot of these especially these states where there's
not big professional teams. Man colleges is all they have
right as far as in the sports, and then they
live and die with it. I was just down in
Oklahoma last weekend and I saw firsthand. So you see
the passion behind it, and you know that the constituents are,
you know, all fired up about it, so that you
know it makes sense that the governor is holding press
(17:57):
conferences about who's the next coach at Ali she was
going to be in that. He even came out and
said the athletic director is not making the higher like
he's gonna.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Be well since the a D is no more president,
and that, yeah, he's out there. Okay, you got it, buddy, Uh,
it's well, just be careful because you're playing like someday
when you're I don't know if you're you know, your
(18:27):
career will take you to college. I how want you
love the high school level, but if you somehow decide
to go to college, be wary of one thing. The
political aspect of it is there too, so you know,
they're from opposite parties, the governor and the A D.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
And I think that that that came.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Into play a little bit too, So you have the whole,
you know, the whole political element that was playing out
at LSU as well.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
All Right, we got lots to get to.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
H I got a mail bag that's full because we
last week when it comes to the kids, all kinds
of things to go over. This is Project Nil Danny
de Bernadina's ad from ped Charter in Philadelphia. I'm Anthony
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Speaker 2 (20:46):
All right, I would to show this by real quick,
and then I know you got a couple of things
playing for US. So earlier this week, I was talking
to the president of the Philadelphia Union. His name is
Tim McDermott. In fact, his brother is Sean McDermott, who
(21:06):
is the coach of the Bills.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
Great Family College high school grad Sean McDermott.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Yes, so Sew was telling me about how the Union
has started the really the first all in soccer high
school academy, I mean youth academy. So you go to this,
you get invited, you go and you go to school there,
(21:36):
like you go and you you play soccer and go
to go to school. Like that's it. That's your that's
your life. Like that's and it's the model in Europe.
It's also the model with a lot of Olympic sports,
like if you're an Olympic, if you're an Olympian, like
you do one sport and you get homeschooled or you
(22:00):
go to these academy type of things. So the Philadelphia
Union soccer program team has this youth program where you're
basically living on campus doing soccer in school.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
Yeah. Union is really they do a really good job
and they've been at the forefront of this, so they
have the full floodge academy for their high school kids
where they're doing education. They're giving them housing to be
on there to work on their craft. You know, they're
playing soccer or living it. They're breathing it. You know,
they're doing it all day. There's also, you know, an
(22:36):
education part. There's also a lot of these academies that
allow you to you know, go to your regular high
school and you train on the side. The Union is
more all in where you're going to high school and
you're training all day. And they also are in the
forefront of They're doing a lot with inner city kids.
They have a program called Swag, which is tied into
the Union. They're involved in the inner city and they're
(22:57):
doing youth programs to kind of filter into their own academy. Right,
so they're doing a lot of youth stuff and different
variations where they have youth a Union youth academy, but
they also have this thing called Swag which is really growing.
I was involved with them at my previous stop at
Saint George Prepp. We housed them a lot in the
winter time on our indoor facilities. But the Union is
(23:18):
doing great. They have a lot of guys in their
in their you know system that are going to play
overseas at the highest level. We're going to play for
the team USA at the highest level. And there's a
kid actually that lives two blocks for me, that lives
on campus and is playing for the Union and he's
playing for the U sixteen national team. This kid named
Landon Molvenna and h I talked to him a couple
of weeks ago, and he's really enjoying his experience and
(23:41):
he's just getting better every day and he's all in,
you know, he wants he's following his dream and the
Union's giving him that platform to really try to take
that next step.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
So, all right, so that we get in this discussion
of specialization. So Ten is like, like, you know, we
always talk about, hey, it's good to be a multi
sport athlete and everything else. He was like, no, you
gotta specialize that.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
He believed that technical sports.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
He's like, if you want to wrestle, you want to
play soccer, He goes, football is a little different, but
if it's a technical sport, you gotta be all in
and that's.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
All you gotta do. Yeah, we were kind of like
debating a little bit.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
It does depend on the sport.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
Right.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
I do really believe it depends on the sport. There's
certain sports in certain positions where your body wears down
and it's really good to be able to do both.
So soccer at the highest level maybe, right, if you
think you're going to play professional maybe specialization works. But
the bigger sports like football, like I can I have
a prime example for football, kid who's at Ohio State
(24:52):
right now, was a wrestler as well, right, And the
wrestling really helped him become better at football, right, with
the hands and getting strong younger, and he became he
wasn't you know, just big recruit, and he ended up
playing defensive line at Ohio State, and wrestling was something
that really was vital to his success in football.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
Right.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
There's a lot of guys who played baseball and basketball
or you know, basketball and lacrosse. It does translate in
a lot of sports. So I'm on the other side
of it now there. I do agree with them. In
certain sports it is important to specialize, but the question
is to what level, Right, if you're going to be
a college athlete, Sure, if you want to think you're
(25:31):
gonna go play in Europe and play soccer, maybe you
have to donate all your time to that, right. It
really depends on the situation, I.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Believe, yeah, because one of the things that I do fear.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Is the burnout. Like baseball.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
I just don't know how you do baseball three sixty
five as a kid, especially if you're a pitcher, right,
or you're well, you can't like you you can't do
it with your arm. But you know, if you're if
you if you're just regular at you're an outfielder or
your third baseman, you're a shortstop, right and you're to
take ground balls and you hit all year around. Like
(26:12):
the issue with it would that would bother me? And
I love baseball is burnout, Yeah, like burnout for something
like that, you know, like let's be real for a second.
Basketball's fun like basketball if you no, I mean, it's
(26:36):
also the hardest sport, right, But basketball's fun.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
Like you're like you're always the game itself.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Because even practice is like like football, practice is not fun.
Like I don't love football, but football is not fun, right,
Like it's work to be ten it's very tenious.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
You know. Basketball has a little bit of that.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
But basketball is just the fun bite nature fun and
baseball is fun.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
But it's funny.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
It could be boring after a walk because you're not
playing like the winner workouts. You know, you're not playing
games right as once as you take VP. It's way
different than may be, kay, and it as much as
sometimes you know, I wonder how sometimes you know, hitting
(27:25):
mechanics come into play, right, Yeah, like you gotta work
at it, and I'm all for it, but nothing substitute
live pitcher.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
So I just got a text from one of our
listeners and he's a legendary coach in the area, Bobby Deepadetto,
and he just said, you know, like zero point five
percent or one percent play professional soccer, so that maybe
they should, you know, specialize, right, But for the large masses, right,
and the kid that really loves the sport, two sports
(27:57):
are really important, right, And so he makes a good point.
It's such a small percentage that are going to play
at that level. So it does make sense for that
small percentage, but that's you know, zero point five percent
or a point percent of the entire population.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
It's a great point. It's a great, great, great point.
Here here's what the counter is, Well, how do I
know my kids not that?
Speaker 3 (28:23):
Now?
Speaker 2 (28:24):
You know, you also want to suspend disbelief as long
as possible, right, like Europe, like trust me every week
every day. In youth sports, it's like going to a movie.
You're suspending disbelief. You're going like, you know, good analogy,
you know, like I know, intellectually my kid's not gonna
(28:45):
go pro, right, but you never know. And I got
to keep him in the game and keep the dream alive.
And whatever you dream is played in high school, played
in college, whatever it is. I got to keep the
dream alive as long as I can to give me
opportunity because maybe he's a late bloomer. Maybe it happens
(29:06):
after puberty like certain ones like I always like basketball,
The answer is no, right, like even my own.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Son, who loves basketball.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Right, I'm like, dude, you could play for your school,
but that's it. Yeah, and he's actually good, like he's
a football player. But I'm like, you're not going to
be six', five all right or six. Seven maybe it
means a chance to be like over six, feet but
like you're not going to be six. Seven you're you,
(29:38):
know basketball is too it dominates the space too. Much
you're good at football and good at, baseball, Right and
even though you're good at. Basketball now you don't. Produce
i'm not projecting you as you. Know you're all in
who So i'm.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
NOT i. WON'T i won't let him.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
PLAY aau AND i he. Can you, know they ask
him all the, time can he play? Travel can he do?
THIS i get calls all the time for these. People i'm, like,
no he's not doing.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
It, Yeah AND i understand that side of, it. Right
you want to hold hope and you want to give
him every. Opportunity but playing multiple sports gets you, stronger
gets you, better and then if you're that, good they're
going to find. You if you're that one, percent they're
going to find, you and then you can, specialize, RIGHT
i mean until that. HAPPENS i think the advice for,
me as someone who's been in athletics and has been
(30:27):
an athletic director is continue to play multiple. Sports don't
hone in at a young, age and you, know try
a bunch of different, things continue to develop your, body,
developing play different, things and if you are in that
lottery one percent point five percent of a percentage, point
they're going to find. You and then that's maybe that's
(30:48):
the time where you, say, hey we're going to just
lock in and play one.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
Sport that makes that makes, sense that's why you're the
at that while You're danny d, alright all, right we'll
take a quick time out and then we'll come back
and then you lay out what you have for.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
Us.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
YEAH i had to get there with a bunch of
BECAUSE i was Debating tim with this and he's, like, no, no,
no one sport devoted because you're gonna fall. Behind and
he was freaking me.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
Out That i'm like an, organization right. Know SO i,
know again it's a very small. PERCENTAGE i understand him
and his, point but again it's to a very limited.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Base, WELL i, mean think about how many kids that
he has at each level at The union uh, facility,
right even those kids aren't all going to make.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
It and there, No i've seen so many kids that
were a part of that academy that ended up Playing
division two, Soccer division three. Soccer, like it's not a
guarantee that because you went to his academy you you're
going to be a professional or play at the highest.
Level i've seen it, firsthand, right you.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
Know all, right take quick, tie will come right.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Back this is project AND i L danny de bernadinas
a D penn. Shotter I'm Anthony gargano right here On
Fox Sports Radio Welcome Back, project AND i.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
AL i don't want.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
TO i know you had some stuff, played SO i
want to get you rolling with.
Speaker 4 (32:20):
That, well we can touch briefly on it if we
got to, pivot just because it tied into what we
were talking about. Earlier so a story this week where
two guys who played in THE G, league right they
they've got amateur status and so they were paid to
play in the you, KNOW G. League they're twenty, one
twenty two years, old they're going back to college and
(32:41):
they're going to play in college's upcoming, season so and
they'll have a couple of years of eligibility. Left so
it really it's just shows the changing landscape AND ncaa
and especially in basketball now where the rule previous was
if you were paid at any point to play, basketball
not play in. College right, now obviously the players are getting,
(33:03):
paid so that that opens the question of like who's
an amateur who's? Not you, know and we, said, right
college sports are really not amateur. Anymore so it just
opens up this really really this can of, worms, right
because Like, historically if you played professional overseas and you were,
paid which happens a lot over, there at a young,
(33:23):
age you were not able to go to. College so
now these college you, know, programs they're they're they're looking,
around and they're looking overseas, more they're looking in THE G.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
League oh my, god, dude they're not even looking at high.
Speaker 4 (33:37):
Schools so, that my, one is really difficult to Get
division one scholarships at the high school. Level now they're
really dying down where you know that was kind of
where you replenished and you were very aggressive as you
know these. Programs now there's this other, hurdle which, is you,
know you can go to THE G, league and they're
(33:58):
not saying it's. Legal Dancy double are looking at it
case by, case but it seems like they're just opening the.
Door so there's two cases this week where, she, yeah
this one guy's gonna go To Santa, clair he's gonna
have two years eligibility's twenty one years. Old and then another,
guy four, star he played in THE G. League he's
two years of eligibility and he's going To.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
Louisville so how are they.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
How do they looking at their, Eligibility like how do
they determine? That is it how many years they spent
in THE G league and they'll and they're taking off
their eligibility like.
Speaker 4 (34:33):
That, YEAH i think they're doing that with a combination of.
Age they're both you, know twenty twenty one years, old
and they both were eligible for two years to, play
so they'll be playing until they're twenty, three which is
pretty the common. AGE i think the age also WITH
i guess how many years they might have played in
THE G league post high. School maybe that's how they
factored in how many years out of high school they've
(34:54):
been to figure out the eligibility of. It so it's
a wild topic THAT i think we just have to
keep an eye. On AND i just wanted to inform
people that this is another aspect of the hurdle and
another hurdle out there for these high school, kids, right
and you, know don't sniff at you, know These division
two scholarships that are gonna be coming your. Way right
(35:15):
if you're a high school athlete or you're a, parent
it's really important to have this information to understand what
the playing field is looking like and how you should
go about your recruitment because it's ever. Evolving but these
are things that we never thought we'd see that are
now in play that you have to.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Navigate so so some of this, conversation somebody was telling me.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
You might the new way.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
For and this is a, shame but the new reality for,
athletes high school athletes is to. Climb view it like
your climbing a. Ladder, yes so THE d, TWO d,
three whatever you do that you, excel you climb up
and you get a bigger, school and then you just
(36:05):
climb that. Way but what it does is it's so
wrong because you now the idea of the college experience
and going to, university he's dead because.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
You're just gonna go To you're gonna wind up going
to three to five. Universities that's WHAT i.
Speaker 4 (36:26):
Say and as an athletic, director you know you want
these kids to have the best four years with. Yours
so it's tough because your coach is doing everything, well
you're doing everything, Well you're you're believing in someone and
when maybe when someone else didn't believe in, them but
the system is telling them be, disloyal go keep moving,
up and you can't fault. Thematic this is the system
(36:47):
that it's out. There so you can't be mad at
the kid of their family because they're trying to better.
Themselves but staying out of college for four years and
having that pride like you do in your high school
is dying and that that hurts me as an athletic
director who someone's in, it BECAUSE i love the pridefulness
of people who you, know graduate and who've come through
(37:07):
your program and have had spent time and in the
culture that they. Love, Right but at the other, side
you can't be mad at. Them this is the culture
that is out there now and this is the system
that they have to.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Navigate, yeah, YEAH i gotta tell you.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
It feels. Wrong it's a, shame.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
But it feels wrong because now of a sudden we're,
like what do you do for a kid if who doesn't?
RECLASS i know we had a mutual friend of ours,
past The beautiful, family The folk family are in fact
our prayers go out to. Them BUT i was in
line with the coach and we were just talking about
(37:52):
this whole. Idea you don't, reclass you're at the huge
disadvantage not only from a development, situation but also from, like,
hey where AM i going even Though i'm, Good where
AM i going IF i graduated?
Speaker 4 (38:10):
Eighteen, yeah it's tough because you're going against guys that
are just played professional sports for two three years and
are twenty two years, old, Right that's who you're fighting,
against and how can you be ready to compete for a.
Spot and on the flip, side these coaches are, like
we have to do this because our jobs are on the, line,
Right so we want more, established more, mature, stronger faster
(38:34):
people who might be more. Seasoned so, again the system
in my eyes is broken right now In Nancy douba
and again it really it has having a trickle down
effect to high school and to you. Sports and in
a couple, weeks we're going to have a good friend
of mine come on the show and he'll talk more into.
It he's the head associate head coach At buck, now
(38:54):
so they're a mid to low major. Program so he
sees it right like he has to live in a
poor but also he understands like his kids are going
to get poached when they have a good, year, Right
so he can talk more about it and dive. In
And i'm excited to Have Matt griffin on the show
in the coming.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
Weeks, YEAH i GUESS i just worry about you know
that that kid like? It really you if you're if
you your child has any aspirations of playing, ball, man
you really you gotta be you gotta get.
Speaker 4 (39:27):
Informed Uh so keep listening to, us, Right we'll keep
trying to drop knowledge on.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
You yeah you.
Speaker 4 (39:32):
Can, yeah there's so many things that people don't know
and these like situations like this that people aren't aware. Of,
Right so we're just going to continue to keep trying
to give you this information and help you try to
navigate and.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
Think it's, Crazy, danny it's so, wild you know, again
you know you start to think about.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
It if you can get that, education that's.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
The number one, goal right, yeah but you know if
there's something, BEYOND i, mean it's it's it's crazy.
Speaker 3 (40:01):
Man the whole thing is just.
Speaker 4 (40:03):
Trying to think long. Term that's.
Speaker 3 (40:04):
All but all, right you got to get a hold of. You,
uh how do they do? It what was the? Question
and people want to get a hold of? You how
do they do?
Speaker 4 (40:11):
It right on on act you can find me At
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Crime Junkie
Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies!
The Breakfast Club
The World's Most Dangerous Morning Show, The Breakfast Club, With DJ Envy, Jess Hilarious, And Charlamagne Tha God!