Mark Willard & Ephraim Salaam React To Rams vs Bucs On SNF, Why Teams In The NFL Need To Kick The Dang Ball, CeeDee Lamb's Hands Issue, And Much More!!

Mark Willard & Ephraim Salaam react to the Rams commanding a lead against the Bucs in Los Angeles on this Sunday Night. Mark and Ephraim reiterate why teams need to kick the dang ball in winnable situations instead of boneheaded play calling decisions. Plus, the guys discuss CeeDee Lamb's dropping habits this year and why his hands have been very off this year, the Brandon Aiyuk drama in San Francisco, and so much more!!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio. Here we go,
Week twelve, National Football League Action.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
We got a good one tonight.

Speaker 1 (00:09):
There were upset alerts all over the country and another
one that just went final a short time ago. I
can't wait, my man, this is a good one. What
a week it's been. We're gonna dive into all of it.
And it's not over yet. Big playoff implication battle about
to unfold in front of us, and same thing goes

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for tomorrow night in the Bay Area. So we're gonna
be over all of this right here in the Fox
Sports Radio studios. But if you listen to this show
with any regularity, you know that above all else. Yes,
he played in the NFL. Yes, both of us have
been sports broadcasters for years and years. You can describe
us any way you want, but you know what we

(00:51):
are when we first open our eyes in the morning.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
We're dads. That's that's one of the first things that
we are.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
My God, if there's anything that relates to parenthood other
than what I'm seeing right now in the NFL, I
don't know what it is.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
From first all good evening, what's going on?

Speaker 3 (01:13):
What's happening? I just watching a monthy dance in front
of the window. I think she had a Clipper shirt
on or something like that.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
Oh, somebody score a basket or something like that.

Speaker 3 (01:21):
Yeah, I don't know, but you should take that on
a Sunday at five o'clock.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
What are we doing anyway? Congrats the Clippers.

Speaker 4 (01:29):
No, they're they're getting beat by thirty right now.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
I was gonna say, like, I don't know what a
Clipper fan would have to dance do right now, But anyway,
here here's the first thought. And I know you're gonna
relate to this. I know you're gonna agree with me
on this. If you're a parent, sometimes you know you
have to stick to the same message every day till
you blue in the face, and you can't believe that.

(01:52):
You have to say the same message every day till
you blue in the face, and you can't believe how
many times you do it, and the message still hasn't
gotten home. So you wake up the next day and
do it again. And that's kind of like our show
Kick the field Goal.

Speaker 2 (02:16):
I don't know what to do anymore.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
I don't know what the hell kind of potion or
lotion these coaches took. I don't know who the mathematician
is that has them doing what they're doing. But the
New York Giants, I guess maybe they want the first pick.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (02:34):
Maybe they're trying to lose, but my god, they are
exhibit a of many exhibits today of coaches who appear
hell bent on losing their football game because either a
mathematician or machismo or both are taking over their brains

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and they've been infectedy from I don't know if you
and I have the energy to keep up this fight.
I don't know what to do anymore.

Speaker 4 (03:05):
You just gotta ignore it.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
Man.

Speaker 3 (03:07):
These people getting paid a lot of money to make
poor decisions. I think I'm at my wits end when
it comes to coaching. It's a lot of bad coaching
going on in the NFL, so much so some of
the games are difficult to watch. Yep, I watch every game,
but I really feel bad for specific fan bases that

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and have to endure this type of ineptness weekend and
week out.

Speaker 4 (03:44):
It was. It was tough football going on today.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
Man.

Speaker 3 (03:52):
Let me just say this fire away. Steve brought us
in and he was saying that the you know, Smith
got sacked ten times.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
Now that game was fun in spite of itself were.

Speaker 4 (04:07):
Going not fun. It was a hard watch.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
Yeah, that's what I mean. I found it kind of abused.

Speaker 3 (04:13):
I mean there was a period of the game for
an hour and a half where no one did anything.

Speaker 1 (04:21):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (04:22):
And so it's it's like, if you're a Browns fan
or a Raider fan, you just have to sit and
endure the madness of it. And I couldn't even have
it bothered me. And I'm not a fan of either
of the teams. I'm just a fan of football. I'm
a fan of sports.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
I hear. I mean, at least Cleveland's got a pass rush.
They've got that.

Speaker 3 (04:46):
I mean that Miles Garrett and Max Crosby will retire
whenever they retire, and they'll look back and it'll be
like Joe Thomas. Remember Joe Thomas, the perennial all everything
left tackle for the Cleveland Browns. He never really experienced

(05:11):
what winning was. As great as he was, he just
was just great alone.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:21):
I don't think he ever appeared in the playoffs.

Speaker 4 (05:23):
Did he? I think maybe one time? Did he maybe once? Maybe?

Speaker 3 (05:29):
Yes, But I'm looking at Miles Garrett and Max Crosby
single handedly just destroy entire offenses for nothing. And watching
that game, I just felt a sense of sadness for

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those respective fan bases because it doesn't have to be
like that. When if you're a coach and you know
we can't block Miles Garrett or anyone up, you have
to alter your game plan.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
Yeah, they just went on.

Speaker 4 (06:15):
I'm with Houston.

Speaker 3 (06:16):
I think it was two thousand and six, I believe,
and we go to Oakland and we're playing the Raiders
and we had a rookie right tackle and it was
tough sledding out there. I wasn't even in my best
form of past blocking, and so Gary said, you know what,

(06:38):
all right, change of game plan. We ran the ball.
These are real stats. You can look it up. We
won in Oakland with negative eight yards passing. We did,
but you know why we were It wasn't like we
gave up ten sacks, you know why.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
Hard to give up when you don't throw the ball.

Speaker 3 (07:01):
And that's when they had Warren Sap on the d line,
like I mean, they had some animals over there, and
Gary was like, all right, man, fifteen week, let's go
spread them out.

Speaker 4 (07:10):
Let's hit this zone. Run right, eighteen strong.

Speaker 3 (07:15):
You know we we eighteen fake past, eighteen strong well
off the play action. That's how you protect your team
and your quarterback, right. You just don't keep calling seven
step drops.

Speaker 4 (07:30):
I can't.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
I'm watching, I'm like, what is it?

Speaker 1 (07:32):
Well?

Speaker 2 (07:33):
Am I crazy?

Speaker 3 (07:34):
No?

Speaker 1 (07:34):
And it's amazing to me that you, as somebody who
banged his head against other players in the middle of
those lines all the time, said you feel bad for
the fans. I My first thought goes to some of
these players. And you know, whether it is the left
tackle of the Raiders, whether it's Geno Smith, whether it's
the players who put their blood, sweat and tears into

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moving up and down the field, and then when they
get there, their coach justides, ah, let's fart around, see
if something funky happens.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
And it's like they don't even care.

Speaker 1 (08:06):
You can't tell me that you care about winning a
football game when you're the New York Giants, and in
many ways I could make the case that you're better
off losing. And you have been ahead of the Lions
the entire game, and then you are at the six
yard line with a fourth and goal and a three

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point lead late in the game. You cannot pitch to
me that you care about the outcome of the game
if you go for it. I'm sorry you're telling me, hey,
let's see what the hell happens, because it doesn't matter
if we lose anyway.

Speaker 2 (08:47):
And that makes me not feel bad for the fans.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
That makes me feel bad for all of the broken
bones and bruises and all of the things that those
players are out there giving up in order to end
up in this position and then have a coach make
a call that says, by the way, we're not in
it this year, so bleep it. Let's just let's let's
fart around. We're at the six, let's fart around. Honestly,

(09:11):
if our player, I'd have been offended by some of
the calls that I see coaches make at the end
of these games.

Speaker 3 (09:18):
It's really it's absolutely Cowboys of the Cowboy awful, awful.

Speaker 1 (09:24):
Well every Eagle game, honestly, I mean, he won the
Super Bowl, So.

Speaker 4 (09:28):
I don't know how I know. It's crazy to me.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
We're not allowed to talk about it.

Speaker 1 (09:32):
I mean, you and I didn't get a chance to
talk about it because it happened a half hour after
we got off the air last week. But the way
that Eagles Packers game ended the same thing. You can't
pitch to me that that those coaches weren't like I mean,
I don't know if it's an ego thing, but do
you remember, Siriana, the fourth down, let's go for it.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
You could either kick a field goal, you could punt.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
The Packers were dead, Let's go for it and throw
the ball deep, one on one down the field and
gave the Packers life in that moment.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
And then the Packers don't do well with it the
Cowboys and he wins, and now we're like not allowed to.

Speaker 3 (10:12):
Say that the Cowboys had no business winning that game. Hey,
how about this, uh, Cowboys, if it's fourth and goal
and it's tied, to say it, kick the field goal.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
Make it not tied anymore.

Speaker 3 (10:34):
Actually go ahead in the game, right right, right right,
with under two minutes to go. I mean, actually take
the lead in a football game, and then put the
onus on them to have to drive down and score

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a touchdown to beat you.

Speaker 4 (10:57):
How about that part? How about.

Speaker 3 (11:01):
Let's put the pressure on the opposing team opposed to
putting it on us.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
Do we want to talk about Liam Cohne and the
Jags up by three fourth and goal, two yard line,
less than two minutes to go, no timeouts for the opponent.
Let's go for it. Let's go for it.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
And I know what Liam Cohen's thought process is.

Speaker 1 (11:25):
We can end the.

Speaker 3 (11:26):
Game with two yards Yeah, man, you right, that's not it.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
You can You can also lose the game and you're
lucky they ended up in overtime and you won because
the Cardinals got down to the two yard line with
a chance to beat you in regulation because of the
decision that you made. Man, it's wild, brother.

Speaker 3 (11:48):
The crazy thing is poor coaching is being let off
the hook because of poor coaching.

Speaker 1 (11:58):
It's the greatest point. It's that's the greatest point. You're
absolutely right.

Speaker 3 (12:02):
I mean this is what I'm talking about when I
mean this is crazy, Like you are making terrible decisions
and winning because on the other side of the field
someone's worse than you.

Speaker 1 (12:18):
I would love to see what the analytics would be
on someone going antialytics.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
That's what I want to see.

Speaker 3 (12:28):
And what world are you tied up with two minutes
to go in the game on the one yard line
and it's fourth down and you don't take the points.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
Unfortunately, My answer is like, OK, what world is that
even a thing? This one? This one?

Speaker 2 (12:48):
Like, how is that even a thing?

Speaker 4 (12:50):
And guess what?

Speaker 3 (12:52):
That decision is justified because they managed to squeak out
a win because Philadelphia is so inept.

Speaker 4 (13:01):
When it comes to putting games where they're so bad.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
I can't figure out the Philadelphia Eagles.

Speaker 4 (13:06):
So now can't figure them out you Schottenheimer.

Speaker 3 (13:09):
Now that terrible decision doesn't cost you anything.

Speaker 1 (13:15):
Okay, Oh yeah, let's get into it because I want
to get into the Eagles. I want to get into
the Cowboys. I want to get into the Chiefs and
the Colts. I want to get into all of these.
It was one hell of a day. There were so
many almost upsets too. Let's play with this. We got
a lot to go through. And yes, another playoff implications

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from Sala with you on a Sunday night and Week
twelve in the National Football League before we dive into
all of the things that we're chatting about, and this
game is about to kick off, Ethan, I got two
Browns things for you real quick. One of them, we

(15:40):
were asking about the great Hall of Fame left tackle
Joe Thomas. Zero playoff games in his in his illustrious,
fantastic career, never played a playoff game. And for those
of you just joining, Ephraim was of likening Max Crosby

(16:02):
and Miles Garrett to Joe Thomas, and I think you're
I think you're probably right. I still felt almost kind
of duped and disappointed by the new contract that Miles
Garrett signed after demanding the trade last year and then
he signed it, and I get it. I don't begrudge
him for it. Someone puts that kind of money in
front of you, Okay, but I guess I don't. You know.

Speaker 2 (16:28):
The way you were saying it sort of makes.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
It sound like you feel sorry for these guys and
you know degree, but like at the same time, that one,
to me was telegraphed and and so, Miles, you kind
of signed up for this.

Speaker 3 (16:41):
Now. Well look, and I'm when I say I'm feeling
sorry for him, I'm not feeling sorry for him in
a way of they're making a bunch of money, they
have life changing money and all of that. But as
a competitor, as a professional athlete and a competitor, there's
something in you that makes you that great. That's what

(17:02):
I feel sorry for, right, money aside. When I went
to Detroit in nine it was after they went oh
in sixteen, and I was there with Dominic Royola and
Jeff Beckets and all of these guys are my contemporaries.
They had spent their whole careers there and never knew

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what winning was. It was Matthew Stafford's first year and
they had no idea what the other side of the
NFL had to offer. They were just coming to work
every day. Literally, they could have been working in an
office building. Yep, we were coming to practice. We would

(17:50):
go home. We'd come to practice, we'd go home, we'd
go downtown, play at Ford Field.

Speaker 4 (17:59):
And then come back home.

Speaker 3 (18:00):
Like it was no there was no energy around doing
something less than zero point one percent of the population
you could do, and that to be a professional athlete.
And that's sad to me because I've been on both
ends of it. I know what happens to a city,

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in a community and a fan base when you galvanize
it and you put together a team and you are
on your way to the super Bowl. I know what
that looks like and feels like. And that's a feeling
I would wish every professional athlete can have, and so
many don't get a chance to have it at all,

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unless especially you know, looking at Miles Garrett, they're not
gonna have it Max Crosby, he's not gonna get it
in Oakland by the time they right the ship or
would it'd be long gone.

Speaker 1 (18:58):
Wow, and actually need to and we will have a
separate conversation about the Raiders. I know this is kind
of a moving target sometimes about who like who looks
like the worst team in the NFL. And I know
we bat around the names like the Jets and the
Browns back and forth, and certainly they've had their moments
where they deserve that label. But in watching a you know,

(19:22):
a primetime game on Monday night with the Raiders, in
watching them this week, both of these games at home,
this time going against a quarterback in his first ever start,
I thought that this performance by the Raiders today Ephraim
was maybe the most embarrassing performance by any single football

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team this year. The Jets about a couple that sort
of rival it, But we're talking about a championship head.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
Coach that you brought in and brought a lot of.

Speaker 1 (19:56):
His people, Gino Smith, Cozen gets Tyler Lockett trying to
kind of recreate the past sort of a deal, and
my god, it's bad. They are not close to anything down.
It is absolutely gross. And I mean that from so
many different angles of football in terms of the ineptitude

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of what's happening there and when you hire a coach
that's been around that long but is also that age
and this is the way it looks at the beginning.
I'm I'm absolutely with you, man, like I move on.
That was the wrong move. Is not going to get better,
is only going to get worse. New coach, new quarterback. Sorry,
done messed up.

Speaker 4 (20:40):
You got to get out of that thing right now.

Speaker 1 (20:42):
No doubt.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
And I can't believe that.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
You know, and maybe it's just because he's on the
road every week, but if he actually gives a rip
about the organization as opposed to just it being financial
us all knowing who Tom Brady is and how he's wired,
that needs to he needs.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
To me throwing stuff off walls.

Speaker 3 (21:03):
Yeah, it'd be better if he just came out of retirement.
That that's what that that would need. I mean, you
got to burn that thing down.

Speaker 1 (21:12):
Unbelievable. It is so bad.

Speaker 4 (21:15):
It's bad football.

Speaker 2 (21:16):
It is so so, so bad.

Speaker 1 (21:18):
So anyway, though, real quick, while we're on this, also
with the Browns, and before Steve jumps in here, Kevin Stefanski,
head coach of the Browns, moments ago, when asked who's
your starter next week at the quarterback position, he declined
to answer.

Speaker 4 (21:37):
I would too, Why because yeah.

Speaker 1 (21:41):
Well okay I do because the niners of the opponent.

Speaker 4 (21:47):
I mean, hey, you guys don't have anything to worry about.

Speaker 1 (21:49):
Well, I think that that defense I think worries anybody and.

Speaker 3 (21:53):
All you have to worry about. And that has nothing
to do with the starting quarterback.

Speaker 1 (21:57):
No, I guess not, But I mean that's that's you know,
that's what you're going into Cleveland over the holidays. It's
always cold, it's hard. That the defense is good. But yeah,
Dylan Gabriel, is he going to be healthy? I don't know,
but I could tell you this, like if all you
want to do is look at the scoreboard, you're like, ooh,
should do or must have played well? And the kid

(22:18):
I thought did some nice things. Actually, he certainly was
better than when he got thrown in there last week.
I'll say this though, if Stefanski had loved what he
would had seen, then he wouldn't be waiting to see
if Dylan Gabriel is over his concussion.

Speaker 4 (22:35):
Well, let me just ask you this.

Speaker 1 (22:37):
Go ahead.

Speaker 3 (22:40):
Could I interest you and a quarterback who completes fifty
of his passes? No, no thanks, that's a tough sale.
In the NFL. Shador was eleven for twenty.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
Now.

Speaker 4 (23:11):
They didn't ask him to do much.

Speaker 1 (23:13):
No, and they got an early lead.

Speaker 4 (23:14):
They got an.

Speaker 3 (23:15):
Early lead, they scored their red zone touchdowns with him
on the sideline. Yep, the wildcat. He did some good things,
but he didn't do enough to unsee their starting quarterback

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and Dylan Gabriel.

Speaker 4 (23:39):
And that's to me, he's not good.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
Well, I mean, look, they're both rookies. But yes, there
was nothing that made you go ooh. And to the
point we were just making, there is, to my thinking,
no easier assignment in the NFL in November than to
go to weather controlled Vegas against maybe the worst team
in the league and have your defense. You couldn't essentially

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spots you any better. Fourteen points.

Speaker 4 (24:10):
You couldn't have.

Speaker 3 (24:11):
You couldn't script it, just like I can't script what
Steve de Seger is going to update us on.

Speaker 8 (24:17):
Hey, hello, gentlemen, you mentioned fifty one percent completions. People
need to realize that these days in the NFL, if
you are completing sixty one percent of your passes, you're
not in the top thirty of quarterbacks in the NFL.
That's how things have changed in the passing game. I
will say about Miles Garrett, who was NFL Defensive Player

(24:38):
of the Year, a couple of years ago for the
Browns last four games thirteen sacks. He's up to eighteen
sacks in only eleven games so far this year, which
means he only needs five sacks in the last six
games to set the NFL record for one season. TJ.
Watt of Pittsburgh, who had a strip sag forced to

(24:58):
fumble got him a touchd down today. Watt in twenty
twenty one had twenty two and a half sacks in
a season. You mentioned Dallas. They were down twenty one
to nothing late first half and still wound up winning
twenty four to twenty one against Philadelphia, the Eagles blowing
the twenty one point lead, largest blown lead ever by

(25:19):
a defending Super Bowl champ. It ties a two thousand
and three Bucks record, and this is great news for
the Rams, who are just underway because coming into today,
the Rams and Eagles were each eight and two, but
the Eagles had the tiebreaker because remember they blocked two
kicks in the fourth quarter and their head to head
match up in Philly this year, the Rams could be

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alone in first in the NFC standings be in the
driver's seat for the one seed after tonight. In the
opening five minutes in La Rams and Bucks are scoreless.
The Cleveland win was twenty four to ten at Las Vegas,
and Yes, Gino Smick was sacked ten times, three by
Miles Garrett Smith had one late touchdown pass one fumble.

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Each team punted eight times. Shador Sanders had a touchdown
that went to the running back, so it counts as
a sixty six yard pass to Dylan Sampson, so making
eleven of twenty two hundred nine yards one interception. That
score made it a twenty four to three lead for
the visitors mid fourth quarter, twenty four to ten Cleveland.
The final, Atlanta won twenty four to ten at New Orleans.

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Jacksonville got an overtime win at Arizona twenty seven to
twenty four. As for the overtime wins from earlier, Kansas
City stayed alive maybe in its season, getting an overtime
victory against the Colts twenty three to twenty. That was
a comeback. It was the one type of game that
literally the Chiefs had not won this year, a comeback

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down double digits fourth quarter, getting a win that's in
this case by three points. It had been since the
Super Bowl against the Niners. Since they'd been down double
digits fourth quarter and come back to win a game.
Had an overtime win at Detroit for the Lions against
the Giants thirty four fo or twenty seven. Giants have
lost six straight. Jamior Gibbs of Detroit on fifteen carries,

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had two hundred nine yards rushing, three total touchdowns, including
eleven receptions for forty five yards. Green Bay did not
have running back Josh Jacobs out with a knee injury.
Keep in mind the Packers play this Thursday, the Thanksgiving
game at Detroit. Emmanuel Wilson stepped in at green Bay
and had twenty eight carries, one hundred and seven yards

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and two scores. Packers over Minnesota twenty three to six.
Seattle held on thirty to twenty four at Tennessee. The
Titans have lost six in a row. Seahawks were up
thirty to ten late in the third quarter. Cam Ward
then had a touchdown run at a short TD pass.
Chicago beat Pittsburgh thirty one to twenty eight. I mentioned
the Bears turnover on the stripsack from TJ.

Speaker 4 (27:46):
Watt.

Speaker 8 (27:47):
Chicago was best in the league in turnover margin at
one point today they were a plus seventeen. Caleb Williams
with three touchdown passes one fumble. DeAndre Swift did nothing
except for one fumble, but the Bears have won eight
of their last nine. Baltimore won it's fifth in a
row twenty three to ten over the Jets, Derrick Henry
two short touchdown runs in the third quarter, and the

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New England Patriots won their ninth game in a row
twenty six twenty at Cincinnati. Jamar Chase was out with
the one game suspension. Joe Burrow still uninjured reserve toe injury,
might be playing Thanksgiving Night. Each team had a pick
six in this one. Coming up Monday night, it's going
to be San Francisco, which is seven and two against
NFC teams, Niners hosting Carolina, and it's going to be

(28:31):
a new kicker for San Francisco because Eddie Pinero's out
with a hamstring injury. So they signed Matt Gay this week,
a guy who had a five million dollar contract with
Washington this year and was released and quickly finds a
new home, he said, coming back from the Madrid game
Monday morning, getting released, flying to Utah, going from Utah
to the Bay Area, I still really don't know where

(28:52):
I am, but he's going to be on the field.
A guy who's made a Pro Bowl, a guy who's
won a Super Bowl. He'll be there as the Niner kicker.
And the Niners did this weekend confirm that they avoided
next year's guaranteed money for injured wide receiver Brandon Aiyuk.
Speaking of money, Cal has fired football coach Justin Wilcox
after nine years there. Willcox has still owed over ten

(29:15):
million dollars. The Cal football general manager now is Ron Rivera.
Florida State says coach Mike Norvel will return next season.
They're currently five and six. Norvel would have been owed
over fifty million dollars in a buyout, and Oregon is
up to number five in the new polls. For what
it's worth, the new Playoff Committee rankings come out Tuesday.
The top four stayed the same in both polls, led

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by number one Ohio State, and this Saturday on Fox
TV it's Ohio State at number fifteen Michigan. The Buckeyes
have lost four straight to Michigan. And keep in mind,
yes it's a twelve team playoff, that does not mean
the top twelve in the rankings are the twelve that go.
Because whoever's the best of the so called group of

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five teams from the smaller conferences, he does have a
playoff spot. So right now James Madison is ranked number
twenty at AP, North Texas number twenty one to Lane
number twenty two, one of them will be getting the
last playoff spot, which could be awful news for BYU.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
Back to you, Steve, great stuff.

Speaker 1 (30:14):
Maybe if new Niners kicker Matt Gay has Dabo Sweeney's
phone number, he could call him to find out where
he is. Dabo, who famously won a national championship at
Levi Stadium and in the postgame interview, said it's wonderful
to be here in wherever the hell we are in California.
The answer is Santa Clara. Santa Clara.

Speaker 8 (30:37):
He should have just said San Francisco and be done
with it.

Speaker 1 (30:40):
I know it's an hour and a half away, but whatever. Yeah,
I mean, it's Santa Clara is probably larger than any
city in South Carolina, but whatever.

Speaker 8 (30:50):
By the way, I was brought up this week that
the Rams, if they get that one seed, an easier
pass to the Super Bowl, which is at the forty
nine claim. This season.

Speaker 1 (30:59):
Yep, wherever we are, California is hosting the Super Bowl
in February.

Speaker 8 (31:05):
So and then the Rams Stadium one year from now
hosting the.

Speaker 1 (31:08):
Super Bowl exactly right, exactly right whose house?

Speaker 8 (31:12):
Well it was a few years ago.

Speaker 1 (31:18):
Yeah, yeah, and those Rams knocking on the door, thanks Steve,
great stuff knocking on the door. On their opening drive.
Tampa moved the ball but then had to kick. The
Rams now have a first and goal a little bit
past halfway through the first quarter in a game that
here we go says a lot in this NFC playoff picture,

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which I don't know the clearer it gets, the muddy
or it gets. I can't figure out the Philadelphia Eagles.
I can't figure them out. They're really good record, but
they're mad at each other all the time. They've got
a lot of complaining going on for a team that's
eight and three. Their coach makes really weird decisions when

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you watch them right now. I don't see anything that
they do that's like wildly dynamic. But they're the champs
and they're eight and three, so I'm not trying to
flick them either.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
I can't figure that team out this year.

Speaker 4 (32:20):
No, it's this you know, I don't even know what.

Speaker 3 (32:29):
To say in terms of when I watch them that
this course that is going on in the locker room,
guys not liking each other, aj Brown, you know, they're
not handing the ball off to Saquon Barkley being still again, Like,
I don't know what is.

Speaker 4 (32:43):
Happening right now.

Speaker 3 (32:45):
Maybe it's the fact that, I mean, they won the
Super Bowl last year, so I guess he's playing with
house money, and it just it doesn't matter as the
Rams score Yep Adams.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
One yard touchdown catch, but it.

Speaker 4 (33:05):
Just feels.

Speaker 3 (33:09):
It feels like it's ready to blow, like it's a
hand grenade, like and the pin was pulled three weeks ago.

Speaker 1 (33:18):
You ever just kind of read people's facial expressions, like
just look like watching an Eagles game, everybody look mad.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
It's just like you know what I mean, I mean.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
Is a football, It's an emotional game. Philadelphia is not
kind of city. But I'm like, are you all right?
Like you guys are eight and two. It's just at tension.
The couple that has been together for twenty years. Yeah,
when they come to the couple retreat, everybody's like, oh
my god, I don't know if y'all in love or
y'all hate each other exactly? Oh gosh, anyway, all right, hey,

(33:51):
three things coming up at the top of the hour,
one of our favorites. We get to rock through our
top three observations. I had to leave a lot on
the cutting room floor, man, I got a lot of
observations this week, so that's gonna be fun. We'll do
that coming up at the top of the hour. And
I guess there's one team in the NFC that's kind
of like I guess they're the polar opposite of the

(34:13):
Philadelphia Eagles. And we'll tell you who that team is
and talk about them. Coming up next. We're in the
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Speaker 2 (34:36):
Ooh, that's gonna be an interesting review. Have you seen
the play yet?

Speaker 4 (34:43):
Oh? I saw it.

Speaker 3 (34:46):
Gimme a but but me watch the knee.

Speaker 4 (34:49):
Oh, I think he's down.

Speaker 2 (34:53):
He I think he's down before that ball comes out.

Speaker 3 (34:56):
We don't know when the ball was coming out though,
not from that angle.

Speaker 1 (34:59):
Now, I think my prediction they're gonna call him down.
But what we're talking about you are wrong. Oh wow,
oh that's okay. Listen by my eye. Terrible call. He's
got control of the ball with his knee on the ground.
We can't tell the other side. Yeah, no, no, no,

(35:20):
I've seen it from watch the angle. Knee down Now,
ball comes out wrong call. I'm gonna stand on that.
But rams up fourteen to nothing? Is that a pick six?
Is it a fumble? Rumble?

Speaker 4 (35:32):
What would you call that as a fumble? He took
it from him?

Speaker 1 (35:35):
Okay, yeah, he took it from him well after his
knee hit it rams up fourteen to nothing on the
the Buccaneers. Whoopsie daisy. Yeah, a nice little pass out
to Kate Oughton. That was gonna be a good little
second down gain. And then Kate uh whooooooo poop then

(35:56):
bobbled it and then he grabbed it and then his
knee hit the ground, and then someone took it from
him and ran for a touchdown, and the officials thought
it was close enough. So anyway, we'll keep you up
to date and all that. Steve will be along here
in ten minutes. So the Eagles are eight and three
and everyone's mad. There's another NFC team who's eight and three,

(36:17):
and nobody can believe that they're eight and three.

Speaker 2 (36:19):
They've got a negative point differential.

Speaker 1 (36:22):
The Chicago Bears, it's rabbit out of the hat every week.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
Now. This one.

Speaker 1 (36:32):
Was just a back and forth game and they end
up winning the whole thing. Caleb Williams took what was
a horrible safety in this football game, and they're going
up against the Steelers' backup QB, though an experienced one
in Mason Rudolph. But every year the Chiefs were it.

(36:53):
Last year, the Vikings were in a few years ago.
It feels like there's a team that just gets all
the damn things to go their way in close games,
and this year it appears to be the Chicago Bears.
And if it weren't for the New York Giants and
that ridiculous play calling we talked about earlier, the Bears
would really be in control of a playoff spot. Because

(37:17):
the Lions, by all rights, lost that game at home
to the Giants today, but somehow came out with a victory,
as did the Green Bay Packers, So the Bears still
have both of those teams right on their heels and
a really hard schedule going forward. But what's your take?
Do you think the Bears eight and three? Negative three
is their point differential? And let me give you a

(37:39):
quick run at what's left on their schedules. Six games
to go, and you tell me if they're going to
the playoffs or not. Next week they'll be at Philadelphia.
Week after that, they'll be at Green Bay. Then they
get a home game against the Browns, then they have
green Bay, then they go to San Francisco, and they

(38:01):
finish at home against Detroit. That's tough sled, some tough
sled eight and three though.

Speaker 3 (38:13):
So essentially to have a shot, they'd have to win.

Speaker 4 (38:22):
Two of their last six.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
Uh, probably, Well.

Speaker 4 (38:25):
I think eleven. I think this year eleven gets you in.

Speaker 1 (38:28):
Huh, eleven gets you in, but two of their last
six only gives them ten. Right, eleven gets you in.

Speaker 3 (38:33):
Normally the same was ten gets you in. Yeah, and
that may still be the case.

Speaker 1 (38:39):
But you're right to ask, because if the Niners win
tomorrow night, now the NFC West has three teams with
eight or more wins. Yeah, and and and obviously if
that happens, Carolina falls to six and six, so you
can start to remove the NFC South.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
But the Bears, Packers, Lions are all sitting there.

Speaker 1 (38:58):
And I got no do you forget about the Cowboys?
I don't know. Point is is that you would have
at for three spots, you got four teams with really
good records.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
Yeah, I think ten might not be enough.

Speaker 3 (39:15):
I think the Browns you give them that game obviously, sure,
I mean I think they can beat they. I think
they can split with the Packers, okay, And I think
they can beat the Eagles. I really do. I am
not Philly next week, hey Man black Friday. What I've

(39:36):
been seeing from the Philadelphia Eagles. Look, I'm not gonna
co sign, No, I'm not. I'm not co signing for
the Eagles.

Speaker 1 (39:49):
I get it.

Speaker 3 (39:49):
And you know why, especially against the Bears. And I'll
say it like this. When you watch the Bears play,
they're very spirited.

Speaker 1 (39:56):
They are very spirited.

Speaker 3 (39:59):
They they are out there really playing for each other,
right They they've heard all the noise, they've heard all
of this and then that, and they are really you
can tell when they're playing they're playing for each other.
So for me, I'm leaning on that the Eagles giving

(40:19):
up twenty one right, right, what's coming out of that
locker room this week?

Speaker 1 (40:26):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (40:27):
And so for look, I would, I would, And that's
coming up, that's.

Speaker 1 (40:32):
Friday Friday, Black Friday standalone game.

Speaker 4 (40:36):
I would. I would put my money on the Bears.

Speaker 1 (40:40):
I would.

Speaker 4 (40:40):
I'm sorry, I'm not.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
I'm not.

Speaker 4 (40:42):
I'm whatever.

Speaker 3 (40:44):
The Eagles got going on, man, that it's very self destructive.

Speaker 1 (40:49):
You may be right, but I don't like. That's still
a really hard game. Yeah, it's all of them hard.
I mean it's a hard game. Their game today was hard. Yeah,
I mean yeah, but they're eight and three. They're eight
and three. They're eight and three, so are the Eagles.

(41:09):
That's gonna be an interesting one on Black Friday. All right,
we got three things coming up next, our top observations
from the.

Speaker 2 (41:14):
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Speaker 1 (41:19):
Yeah, into the night, we go on all coasts except
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Speaker 2 (41:23):
I know you'll get there soon.

Speaker 1 (41:25):
We are live then the Fox Sports Radio studios. We're
watching Sunday Night football. It's a lot of people out
and about who think the Rams are the team to
beat in this year's parody filled NFL. Nothing is happening
tonight to dissuade people off of that opinion fourteen to nothing.
Rams as we start the second quarter, keep you up

(41:46):
to date on that, as will Steve di Seger throughout
the evening. She do her Sanders is one to zero.
But there's context there and I'm sure we'll get to it.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
So a lot to do as we move into the night.

Speaker 1 (41:59):
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Speaker 2 (42:05):
In the East, we bring you three things.

Speaker 1 (42:08):
It's three observations that really stand out to each of us,
things that we would like to have a little bit
of an expanded conversation on. And so we have arrived
at that time, so let's roll three things. Here we go,
and as always I'll start, and that is solely so
Ephrom can finish. I'm gonna start with one that I've

(42:30):
already waxed a little poetic on, so I'll be somewhat
brief here from Mike Kofka. You're already doing a horrible job.
Mike Kofka, if you don't know, is the interim head
coach for the New York Giants. I thought the timing
and just even the maneuver to fire day ball in

(42:51):
the first place.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
Was a little odd.

Speaker 1 (42:54):
If you were going to do it, then I'd argue
you probably should have done it.

Speaker 2 (42:57):
Maybe four or five weeks ago.

Speaker 1 (42:59):
Things were final starting to look like they had a
little life in New York. So they make a weird
move and then Jackson Dart gets hurt and here comes
Jameis Winston, And if you didn't see what I thought
was maybe the most engaging play of the year, the
Giants ran a trick play where Jamis Winston became the receiver,
caught the ball, then started trying to juke someone, then

(43:22):
broke a tackle and ended up in the end zone.
It was an absolute party, and the New York Giants
had this game. They were up by three, not very
much time left, and it was fourth and goal from
the six. The Lions had had trouble moving the ball
against that pass rush. What a great time to go

(43:42):
up by six and force the Lions with no timeouts
left and a whole field to force them to score
a touchdown. Mike Kafka went for it. He went for it.
It was never close. They didn't get it. They only
ate up by three. Wouldn't you know it? The game

(44:03):
somehow ended up in overtime because the Lions kicked a
field goal from count them up fifty nine yards.

Speaker 2 (44:10):
That's how close they got.

Speaker 1 (44:11):
Just imagine if the Giants had been up by six.

Speaker 2 (44:15):
Mike Kafka is only an.

Speaker 1 (44:16):
Interim coach, but he did a disservice to his entire
team with his decision making today.

Speaker 3 (44:22):
Yeah, it's a lot of poor coaching going on. Teams
are now being hurt, players are being hurt from the
lack of guidance and I belief in fortitude. I don't
know what's going on at the coaching spot, but it's

(44:42):
hard to watch a little bit of depressed, a little
bit depressing, but you know, players are going to continue
to play hard man and it's the coaches. It's the
coach's job to put them in position to make it easier.
And we're not saying that. We're not saying that.

Speaker 4 (45:05):
For mine.

Speaker 3 (45:06):
It'll be Baltimore now, they were what one in five yep,
and we said that they were probably going to win
the division and make the playoffs because Lamar was coming
back and their schedule was a piece of cake, literally

(45:29):
a piece of sponge cake. And here we are now
the once.

Speaker 4 (45:38):
One in five.

Speaker 3 (45:39):
Baltimore Ravens are now six and five in first place,
and in first place. And I don't.

Speaker 8 (45:49):
Know how.

Speaker 1 (45:51):
It's as well said, go ahead.

Speaker 3 (45:55):
Lamar Jackson is clearly not the same person he has
been in years past. Whatever happened, whatever that injury was,
the hamstrings, it's still bothering him. It's hampering him because
I have yet since he's been back, I have yet

(46:18):
to see any semblance of the great Lamar Jackson. Thirteen
for twenty three, one hundred and fifty three yards a sack,
but this is the seven carries for eleven yards. Like
he's just he doesn't have any pop, there is no excitement.

(46:43):
He's not beating you from the pocket, he's not beating
you from extending plays. The defense has stepped up, The
defense is playing better now. They were playing the hapless
Jets today, But they've kept a pretty much an EPT
offense in games since the return of Lamar Jackson. And

(47:04):
I just can this continue? Can he continue to drag
like this?

Speaker 4 (47:10):
And I mean they have the.

Speaker 3 (47:11):
Bengals Steelers Bengals the next three games.

Speaker 1 (47:15):
Yeah, and which which actually I mean doesn't sound like
any sort of a gauntlet.

Speaker 4 (47:19):
But they're probably gonna win them.

Speaker 2 (47:21):
Those are harder games than what they have been playing.

Speaker 4 (47:23):
Man, Yeah, but I don't know, but the Bengals did.

Speaker 1 (47:26):
Like Lamar's four wins over the last four weeks are
the Dolphins, the Vikings, the Browns, and the Jets. And
I love what you said when you're like, they're winning,
But I don't know how. I don't know if you
haven't watched Lamar in recent weeks. It's not just that
he's not even a shadow of himself. He's a bad
quarterback right now.

Speaker 3 (47:46):
Right now, he is not a good quarter it's a
terrible player right now for the Browns exactly.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
So it's not a criticism of him.

Speaker 1 (47:53):
No, there there was a rushing play where he found
open field and the Lamar we know what fifty yard
goom Dart gone and he just went up the middle
and got tackled by someone who's not even half as
fast as him.

Speaker 3 (48:07):
And it makes it look worse because you know what
the other side looks like. You know how good he is.
So when he's you're watching him, you're like, hey, man,
what is going on here?

Speaker 1 (48:16):
All right?

Speaker 4 (48:16):
Like what is happening?

Speaker 3 (48:18):
Like, I don't They're probably gonna win these three games,
they're going to be nine and five.

Speaker 1 (48:24):
Remember Joe Burrow is back for these two Bengals games.

Speaker 4 (48:27):
Yeah, but they does he plan? Is he playing linebacker?

Speaker 2 (48:31):
Two?

Speaker 4 (48:31):
No?

Speaker 2 (48:31):
Oh, that's you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (48:33):
Like again, Lamar's not challenging defenses, and the Bengals will
challenge the Ravens defense more so than the Jets and
the Browns did the last two weeks, and those were
both close games.

Speaker 3 (48:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
I just I don't know, man, I don't know. He
does not look okay, it looks bad.

Speaker 4 (48:52):
It really. I was watching the game, I'm like, man,
what is going on?

Speaker 2 (48:55):
I know it's frustrating because you know, how just.

Speaker 3 (48:58):
Had any semblance of ability I've been They probably win
that game, no doubt.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
No doubt, And same to be said for the Browns
the week before.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
Absolutely so yeah I.

Speaker 3 (49:10):
Care twenty one carries with sixty four yards?

Speaker 1 (49:13):
Yeah yeah, because everybody.

Speaker 3 (49:15):
You're stacking the box and you got Lamar Jackson like
this so one not the only ones to see it.
Opposing defensive coordinators are are noticing this as well.

Speaker 1 (49:25):
His own coach sees it that you got a tie
game last week?

Speaker 2 (49:29):
What did they do?

Speaker 1 (49:30):
What was the game winning play they went up and
did a fake push push with a tight head.

Speaker 3 (49:34):
Hm.

Speaker 1 (49:35):
When Lamar Jackson's on your team, like anyway, So.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
Yeah, I'm with you man, all right. Second one for me,
this is under the covers.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
And maybe you're not bothered if you have him in
fantasy because his numbers have been good enough to get
you by even though he also missed a number of games.
But I'd like to bring this to the forefront. Y'all
see thee Lambs having a horrible year. Good lord, what
is wrong? Ceedee Lamb is dropping everything? Go back to

(50:07):
opening night against the Philadelphia Eagles. They probably win that
game if CD doesn't drop the ball repeatedly. But at
the time you're like, hey, great player. Everybody has their things.
Then he gets hurt for a good solid five weeks.
Now he's back and on back to back weeks he's

(50:28):
doing the same thing. It is now no longer a trend.
It is a full blown habit and I can't figure
out exactly what's going on there.

Speaker 2 (50:36):
And it's a good thing that George Pickens.

Speaker 1 (50:39):
Has popped the way he has for that offense to
sort of stay in this and this upset win today
gets them back to five hundred and five to five
and one.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
But all eyes for me on Ceedee Lamb.

Speaker 1 (50:50):
Something is wrong and he was very frustrated on the
bench after all of this. But the drops are just
constant with him right now.

Speaker 3 (51:00):
He is not playing with a lot of confidence. I
don't know if it's the guy to the left of
him who's playing out of his mind right now.

Speaker 4 (51:12):
It may be a little bit of you know.

Speaker 3 (51:16):
Trying to push to prove that you're better than the
other guy. Right now, that other guy is bankable. And
I'm not saying I don't want to take anything from
Cde Lamb. He is a top receiver in this league.
I mean he is dynamic as dynamic can be. But
not this year. Not this year.

Speaker 2 (51:33):
I mean, already got paid. What's he need to prove?

Speaker 3 (51:36):
I don't know, man. You know, receivers are a little
bit different. They're a little bit different.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
Way did you get to my third one?

Speaker 1 (51:45):
Anyway? You know where I'm gonna go ahead?

Speaker 2 (51:47):
Way, go ahead, your turn.

Speaker 3 (51:50):
I think the Vikings think they've made a mistake. You think, yeah,
I think the Minister the Vikings have realized, oh he's
not the guy and he was a product of a

(52:11):
system that was put in place for him not to
be the guy. So Hardball had him at Michigan. They
won the national championship and he did very little to
accomplish that, and so I think they thought they could

(52:33):
get him into the system and you know, build him out.
Now he's still young, but I don't see it in him.
Twelve for nineteen eighty seven yards four point with Justin
Jefferson and Addison. That's if you didn't have any if

(52:57):
you didn't have anybody to throw to. Okay, you have
the best right receiver in the league and probably the
top top three or four tandem and Jefferson and Addison
with your tight end, and you manage eighty seven yards

(53:21):
in the air a passing rating of thirty four point
two in a divisional game. That can't be real. Kevin
O'Connell has to be. He must be looking in the
mirror like, now, what have we done?

Speaker 1 (53:40):
Well? Now, that's the point that you just made right there,
because remember where we were a year ago. A year ago.
Sam Darnold is what in a great system with a
great coach, with great skill positions around him. Jefferson, Addison, Naylor, Hockinson,

(54:01):
Aaron Jones, My god, weather controlled environment, this is phenomenal,
perfect for a QB. And Sam's like, yeah, I can
threaten for MVP in this and JJ McCarthy has been
given all of that too, everything, and he can't he
can't move the.

Speaker 3 (54:21):
He can't drive a stick right. They didn't put him
in an automatic car, our manual car.

Speaker 4 (54:28):
And he is.

Speaker 3 (54:28):
Stripping the gears. Yep, he's stripping the gears. Why the
other guy you had is on the autobahn.

Speaker 1 (54:37):
Oh the other guy is, oh right, eight and three,
eight and three.

Speaker 4 (54:43):
They gotta be kicking themselves right now of course.

Speaker 1 (54:48):
Wow, all right, speaking of kicking yourself, buddy, I can't
wait to hear you talk on this brand and I
you just done made the worst decision of his life.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
And details are still coming out.

Speaker 1 (55:07):
Turns out this has been going on for a long time,
and very few people knew. Brandon AIYUK wide receiver San
Francisco was injured badly last year, full full knee blow,
multiple ligaments.

Speaker 2 (55:25):
This came after a very.

Speaker 1 (55:28):
Lengthy, very contentious contract dispute and hold out, and those
of us who follow and cover that team were well
aware that the Niners essentially regretted the contract that they
signed the second they signed. Okay, The story goes is

(55:51):
that Brandon had agreed to a trade in a new
contract with the Pittsburgh Steelers, and the Niners had agreed
to a trade with the Sea.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
But at the last second, I Yuke.

Speaker 1 (56:02):
Sat with Kyle Shanahan and said, I will I will
sign the offer that you have in front of me too.
And Kyle had to run upstairs to John Lynch's office
and to put the phone down. Don't trade him to
the Steelers. We're keeping him. I have long wished that
the door had been locked. Unfortunately it wasn't. Niners kept him,
and then he immediately showed up on opening night, started

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dropping balls, and then he got hurt and got hurt
real bad. This year, they still haven't even opened up
his practice window, and all of the sudden we find
out that the guarantees on his deal for next year,
which were kind of the final guarantees in his deal
at thirty million a year, had been voided. But Kyle

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Shanahan opened up yesterday that that happened in July, so
before he was even supposed to be on the field,
he started skipping meetings and team functions.

Speaker 2 (56:57):
And they have voided.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
Upon millions upon millions of guaranteed money, all because Ayuk
remains in his feelings about how things have gone down
with the forty nine ers. So now what you're gonna
get is the forty nine ers get a bunch of
new money back in their sort of spending cabinet, if

(57:22):
you will. And Ayuk will be cut at the end
of the year and become a free agent after two things,
one a horrific knee injury and two a label, a
label of being all about dysfunction. And I'm trying to

(57:42):
figure out what he thinks is going to happen on
the free agent market next year when those are the
two things that you're coming off of. He's not going
to fight the void with the players Union. I can't,
for the life of me understand what Brandon Ayuk is
doing right now.

Speaker 3 (57:58):
Well, he can't fight it if he if he hasn't
held up his end of the bargain. You know they're
gonna find that out right, They'll they'll know, Oh, hey, man,
you were supposed to do this and you didn't. We
can't fight for you and you're not fighting for yourself. Look, man, like,
what if Forrest Gum said. His mama said, and it's

(58:21):
not the chocolate. It's stupid, is it stupid? Does Now
I'm not calling him stupid. I'm saying you're doing stupid things.

Speaker 1 (58:29):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (58:32):
Right when I'm talking to my kids about doing homework
and not turning it in. You're not dumb, but that's
a dumb thing. You do the work and you don't
hand it in. They pay you the money and you
don't show up. That man, you get what you get

(58:54):
after this. You mean, tell me you couldn't survive You
couldn't make it in the cow Shanahan system.

Speaker 4 (59:01):
One of the.

Speaker 3 (59:04):
Best player friendly coaches, John Lynch, like, you couldn't survive that?

Speaker 4 (59:12):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (59:13):
Cool? I mean all right, yep, good luck, good luck,
good luck.

Speaker 3 (59:20):
My third one is outside of the scope of football,
but it is sport. Uh. It's a shout out to
uh Las Vegas and F one this past weekend. Uh. Look,
I love F one. I put you on the F one.
I think you love F one too.

Speaker 1 (59:37):
I love F one.

Speaker 3 (59:39):
It's a it's a sport where you know, especially UH
in the uh In in the community. We we don't
really talk about it a lot. You know, No American
drivers right right, So you know you don't you don't
get the fanfare and all of that, but it's a
it's a global banger. This this the Grand travels F

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one travels all over the world, and we've added I
think we have we have Miami, we have Austin, we
have Vegas for the American stops, and this past weekend
was Vegas. Qualifying was a bit sketchy in the rain,
it was a downpour, but once it dried out, it

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finished up well. Orlando Norris for McLaren took pole position. Uh,
Max Viz Staffron for a Red Bull was second and
Carlos Sans was third and right from the jump, Max
Vith Staffron just took it all back. Now, if you

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don't know, Max for Staffron is one of the top
racers or what were top drivers in the world and
has been for quite some time, ever since a couple
of years ago, they stole Lewis Hamilton's eighth drivers Championship
from him, which would have been a record. He's now
he has seven type with Greg Lemons. They stole it

(01:01:08):
from him or no, Mike, excuse me, Michael Schumacher, No, yeah,
Michael Schumacher sorry, and I just want to say that
Max Reciffern is a bad man. Shout out to Mercedes
for coming in second and third on and it just

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was a tremendous race. The weather cleared up. Just think
about cars going two hundred and twelve miles an hour
down the Vegas Strip. It's unreal experience. Vegas did a
heck of a job. Every race is compelling. All the
stars came out because it's something that it's captivating, and

(01:01:49):
once you get to know the stories and once the
drivers and all of that, you start following them, you'll
fall in love with it like you do football or basketball,
whatever other sports you follow. I will recommend, like a
recommend it to you for people to go out there
and watch Drive to Survive on Netflix flicks. Yep, you
will fall in love with it. Trust me, amen. He's

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not wrong, not wrong at all.

Speaker 1 (01:02:13):
It's almost as if it was so entertaining that there
was no entertainment left in Vegas.

Speaker 4 (01:02:20):
It's that's why.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
We got the Browns in the radio.

Speaker 1 (01:02:24):
Yeah, while we were chatting, the Bucks got a Tedz
Johnson touchdown. They've also got Baker Mayfield in the blue
tent with a left shoulder problem. So we'll get that
all updated. Coming up next with me from Salam Mark Willard.
This is Fox Sports Radio, all right, Fox Sports Radio Studios.
That's it from Salama Mark Willard. We'll get to Steve

(01:02:45):
de Seger in just a moment. You do this on
Sunday Night Football, matt Stafford's and Devanta Adams yet again,
another touchdown, twenty eight to seven, still second quarter. Tonight's
going to change the NFL MVP commation. You do this
on the biggest show on television, people are going to

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take notice. And so I'm not really sure exactly who
you know. Drake May Matthew Stafford. These are the names
that are probably at the front of the line right now.
But Stafford is going to be the flavor of the
week for.

Speaker 4 (01:03:25):
Sure, as he should be.

Speaker 1 (01:03:27):
Yeah, good lord, he's playing well, I mean multiple angles
accuracy to boot. That was his thirtieth touchdown pass. It's
week twelve.

Speaker 4 (01:03:42):
Remember he's his back. He's maybe he was gonna call it,
called him quits. Maybe yep, maybe not this.

Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
Year set out the preseason.

Speaker 1 (01:03:51):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Matthew Stafford. Let me let me get
it up to the minute. It's thirty touchdowns and two pits.

Speaker 3 (01:04:07):
I'd say, that's uh in thirty movie.

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
It's kind of surgical, isn't it.

Speaker 4 (01:04:13):
Yeah, it is.

Speaker 1 (01:04:13):
It's like, uh, it's like it's like Steve de Sega
in the bottom of the alp surgical.

Speaker 8 (01:04:22):
Hello, ladies, gentlemen, and yeah Matthew Stafford eighteen of twenty
one for the two oh five three touchdowns and at
the two minute warning late first half in La Rams
up twenty eight to seven over the Tampa Bay Buccaneers,
and the Rams got great news before kickoff Philadelphia loss.
Rams could be alone in first in the NFC and
in the driver's seat for the one seat in a

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first round by Philly was up twenty one to nothing
at Dallas late first half Jalen Herts three total touchdowns.
Dallas won the game twenty four to twenty one on
a field goal on the final play, a forty two
yarder by Brandon Aubrey, who had missed a fifty one
yarder in the third quarter. Philly missed a fifty six yarder. Today.
Jacksonville won in overtime at Arizona twenty seven to twenty

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four on a fifty two yard field goal. The Cards
then failed to score on their possession. Arizona now three
and eight. Cardinals quarterback Jacoby Brissett, remember last week, was
forty seven for fifty seven over four hundred and fifty
yards passing, the most completions ever in a regular season game.
He was sacked six times by Jacksonville today a mere
three hundred and seventeen yards passing and one touchdown. And

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I got to mention Arizona tight end Trey McBride. He
has at least five receptions in thirteen straight games. The
record is doing that in fifteen straight by Travis Kelcey.
He had nine catches today. Winning quarterback Trevor Lawrence, three
touchdown passes, four turnovers. Jacksonville could be headed to the playoffs.
They're seven and four. Cleveland won at Las Vegas twenty

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four to ten in a battle of two and eight teams.
In fact, these are the two teams with the most
losses since divisional realignment over twenty years ago. As for
Gino Smith, let's just say not a great day at
the office. Sack ten times. He did have one late
touchdown pass, one fumble. Shador Sanders eleven of twenty passing

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for Cleveland, one interception, one touchdown. It was to running
back Dylan Sampson. He went sixty six yards. Atlanta ended
a five game losing streak with a twenty four to
ten win at New Orleans. The Saints now two to nine.
Their only touchdown today came on an interception return. New
Orleans was one for three on field goal attempts, and
starting quarterback Tyler Shucked was sacked five times. He had

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two turnovers. Out for Atlanta today quarterback Michael Pennix and
wide receiver Drake London. Pennix is due to have ACL
reconstruction this week. Among the teams on a bye this week,
there are four of them, Miami, the Chargers, Denver, which
is won eight in a row, Washington, losers of six straight,
on a bye this weekend. New England won it's ninth

(01:06:53):
in a row twenty six to twenty at Cincinnati. Although
Chase Brown did on nineteen carries have one hundred and
seven yards rush, Patriots tight end Hunter Henry seven receptions
one hundred and fifteen yards at a score. The Patriots
are six and zero on the road. The only undefeated
road team in the NFL this year, Kansas City came
back to win in overtime against Indy twenty three to twenty.

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Detroit won in overtime against the Giants thirty four to
twenty seven, six straight losses for the Giants, although Jameis
Winston did have three hundred sixty six yards passing, two
TD passes, one touchdown reception. Green Bay over Minnesota twenty
three to six. Emmanuel Wilson stepped in at running back
with twenty eight carries one hundred and seven yards two scores.

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JJ McCarthy was sacked five times. He had two picks
only eighty seven yards passing for the Vikings, Seattle and
Chicago each one. Baltimore won its fifth straight game. Cal
fired football coach Justin Wilcox after nine years there and
never finishing above five hundred in conference play. Florida State
says coach Mike Norvel will return next season. The Seminoles

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record is currently five and six. In the last two
years in the ACC, they're three and thirteen. Oregon is
up to number five in the new polls. The new
Committee rankings come out on Tuesday this Saturday on Fox TV.
Number one Ohio State at number fifteen Michigan in the NBA,
Miami was a one twenty seven one seventeen winner at Philadelphia,

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Norman Powell of the Heat with thirty two points. Oklahoma
City thunder now seventeen and one, after dominating at home
against Portland one twenty two to ninety five, Shay Gilgis
Alexander thirty seven points. Wins for the Raptors in Cleveland,
at home Boston as well home win for the Hawks.
And right now at Utah mid third quarter, the Jazz

(01:08:40):
ahead of the Lakers seventy six seventy one, and we've
got the Spurs up sixty five sixty three at Phoenix
mid third quarter. Kevin Durant of the Rockets out for
two games due to a family matter. Aaron Gordon and
the Nuggets will miss four to six weeks with a
hamstring injury. And we're not going to be talking golf
till after football season, except for we'll make an except
an hour for now, LPGA Tour had their finale. PGA

(01:09:03):
Tour really had it's finale today. We'll talk about that
in an hour.

Speaker 1 (01:09:06):
Back to you can not wait, Steve de Seger and
golf in hour three is Musclessen stuff if you've never
experienced it before that I know, Hey, both of you.
Would you have done what the Bucks just tried to
do there? Would you have done that? So the fourth down,
you're talking about fourth and two, you're down twenty eight

(01:09:28):
to seven. I get it, But fourth and two, minute
and a half to go at your own twenty eight.

Speaker 8 (01:09:35):
First off, well, they probably saw the Cowboys game and say, man,
if you're two yards from the goal line and go
for why wouldn't we do? No, it's probably I will
say that if I were a coach, what would come
into my mind is what's happening right now is that
the Rams have struggled to find a kicker. They have
Harrison MeVis on the field right now, the thicker kicker.

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I assume he's gonna make this and then make it
thirty one seven by halftime. But it's just telling me that, yeah,
we're not going to be able to stop them.

Speaker 1 (01:10:06):
And he did. He did forty yard field goal is good.
So the Rams basically came out on the field because
the fourth and two past the Sterling Shepherd was incomplete.
The Rams went four yards in three plays and got
three points.

Speaker 8 (01:10:21):
So Tampa Bay's offense five drives, they have seven first
downs tonight, and they're down thirty one to seven before halftime.

Speaker 4 (01:10:28):
That's unbelievable.

Speaker 1 (01:10:32):
So I'm guessing that you wouldn't have done that.

Speaker 4 (01:10:35):
No.

Speaker 8 (01:10:37):
No, by the way ends the game, doesn't it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:40):
Yes, Rams also get the ball to start second half.

Speaker 4 (01:10:44):
Oh man?

Speaker 1 (01:10:45):
Yeah? Yeah? Is it is tonight the moment that we stop?
You know all the things everyone's been saying, Boy, there's
just no team that stands out.

Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
Is tonight the night we stop? Is this the team?

Speaker 4 (01:11:05):
Well, the Rams definitely stand out. They do stand out. Okay,
they're well coached, they have.

Speaker 8 (01:11:10):
The defense, they only allow seventeen points a game. That's
the best in the NFC, and after tonight they're gonna
have the best record in the NFC.

Speaker 4 (01:11:17):
Yeah, they definitely stand out every week.

Speaker 1 (01:11:20):
But you know what I'm saying, how everyone's like, oh gosh,
the parody this year.

Speaker 2 (01:11:25):
I just don't know if there's my favorite like.

Speaker 3 (01:11:27):
The team, but I think it's it's you know, you
have to be able to combine the coaching aspect with
the talent, Yes, and I think the Rams do that
extremely well.

Speaker 8 (01:11:40):
Unlike the Eagles that you were talking about early, we
expect more from that offense. They've had way too many
third and lungs of this year.

Speaker 3 (01:11:46):
Yeah, it's when you when there's symmetry there between coaching
and players, the talent level and players, it's a beautiful thing.
And even if you lose a game, you're in a game.
You look at the Rams losses right Philly.

Speaker 1 (01:12:05):
Wow, yeah they right, They outplayed Philly for three quarters
and then the thing just got sideways and then whatever
it was, like Division games are a little different. The
Niners beat them on a Thursday night where overtime, overtime,
and the Niners also like, I don't know what the
game plan. The back and forth between shanahan and McVeigh

(01:12:27):
is just it's brilliant stuff. They know each other so well,
and the Niners came out and punched him in the
face and it was fourteen to nothing before you can
figure out what was going on. And then I thought
the Rams really outplayed him from there, but they just
they ran out of time and they fumbled at the
one like they were going in to win the game
and they fumbled, you know, and with with two minutes

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to go.

Speaker 8 (01:12:49):
The top three in the AFC, New England has won
nine in a row. But I think people don't quite
believe yet because this is kind of new for this
regime and this roster. Denver has a sensational defense.

Speaker 1 (01:13:02):
Yep.

Speaker 8 (01:13:02):
I don't think people believe the offense and the Colts
had a great start and what are they now?

Speaker 1 (01:13:08):
Yeah, they're they're cooling off a little bit. In those
first two teams you mentioned are both with second year quarterbacks.
This is Matt Stafford, done it before, seen everything.

Speaker 8 (01:13:19):
And even ridiculous the last couple months.

Speaker 1 (01:13:21):
Yeah, I will say that, you know, the two sort
of things you mentioned one special teams that's a question
mark still still and the Rams to this point I
would say have been about as healthy as any team
in the league.

Speaker 8 (01:13:38):
Yeah, because it's played most Sure.

Speaker 1 (01:13:40):
Yep, that doesn't always hold up. But you know that
has a lot of lie.

Speaker 8 (01:13:45):
And that's even with three guys going on ir this week,
including a tight end. But they play fifty two tight
ends every dame, right, you don't miss it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:53):
Yeah? Yeah, they look good, By goodness, they look good.

Speaker 2 (01:13:58):
So thirty one seven.

Speaker 4 (01:13:59):
They that's the way you're supposed to look this time
of year.

Speaker 1 (01:14:02):
Yeah, yeah, they they. I mean that looks like a
one seed and the quote team to beat is supposed
to look in.

Speaker 8 (01:14:11):
The next couple of games are Panthers and Cardinals. In fact,
they still have to play the Cardinals twice. They play
the Falcons too. I'm not saying it's devoid of quality opponents,
but they could finish with a sensational record this year.

Speaker 1 (01:14:23):
There is Yeah, they got a trip to Seattle still
and obviously that looms large.

Speaker 2 (01:14:29):
But outside of that, yeah, it's it's it's manageable.

Speaker 1 (01:14:32):
I think they still got to play Detroit, right, yep, Yeah,
Detroit's on there too. Anyway, all right, Steve, great stuff.
Can't wait for the golf. We're counting it down forty
nine minutes away. Awesome And it's Mark whether Dy from
salam and one of the Fox Sports Radio studios.

Speaker 2 (01:14:46):
Coming up at the top of the hour.

Speaker 1 (01:14:47):
We'll get into the Chiefs, We'll get into whether or
not the Bengals should I think they will, but should
they be playing Joe Burrow this time of year? But
also coming up next, I want to, like, with a
little bit more space, can we put up bow on
this Brandon Aiyuk development with the forty nine ers that
came up this week, So that's coming up next on
Fox Sports Radio. All right, sitting in these Fox Sports

(01:15:09):
Radio Studios.

Speaker 2 (01:15:10):
That's he from a Mark Well brother.

Speaker 1 (01:15:15):
If the Rams were beautiful to watch, then the Bucks
were the opposite. Baker Mayfield is really hurt, yeah, and
it's it's uncomfortable to watch he is. He's gone. He
flew way past winsing and now he something's going on

(01:15:36):
with his left shoulder and he's just trying to throw
kind of a hail Mary thing and nobody touched him,
and he still ended up staying on the ground for
an extended period of time there before they got up
and headed to the locker room at halftime. I don't
know if we're going to see him in the second
half or not. Thirty one to seven Rams lead, I
bet we do.

Speaker 3 (01:15:56):
Baker Mayfield, man, he's he's as tough as they come,
you know. Man, I'm sure he's not going to just,
you know, tap out of this game.

Speaker 2 (01:16:09):
I wouldn't think so.

Speaker 1 (01:16:10):
But then again, at thirty one to seven, I can't
confidently say that that's not the right thing to do. Like,
you know, the Bucks have a division to go win, right, yeah, so,
and you know they've gotten wobbly and certainly without knowing
exactly what's going to happen, tomorrow night in San Francisco.

(01:16:32):
Assuming the Bucks lose this football game, they're out of
first place. If the Panthers were to upset the Niners tomorrow,
it's crazy thought, man. Right, we get to week twelve
and the Bears and Panthers are leading divisions.

Speaker 2 (01:16:52):
I mean, s Possy Blake.

Speaker 1 (01:17:00):
Speaking of the Niners, though I wanted to, you know,
we talked about it earlier this hour. The Ayuk situation
has even the biggest Niner fans, I think, kind of
scratching their head. People knew that it was just a
tough contract, a tough situation. I wonder if you have
any thought though on like, how could how could we

(01:17:24):
get here? How could a player? How could that player's agent?
How could this happen? How in July could you just
stop going to team functions and meetings and things like
that and put yourself in a position where at that point,

(01:17:44):
less than a year after signing.

Speaker 2 (01:17:47):
For a hard fought thirty million a.

Speaker 1 (01:17:50):
Year and then give it back poof, you just gave
it all up. The forty nine ers, with very poor
return on the dollar, will end up paying for essentially
what was a two year, forty nine million dollar deal.
And then clean break, see you later, no more money.

Speaker 4 (01:18:10):
Yeah, it's it's a shame man.

Speaker 3 (01:18:16):
You know, being professional is a real thing, you know,
and when you don't exhibit professionalism, then you find yourself
back on the open market and everything you do people

(01:18:36):
are seeing, they're taking account. I don't know what market
he thinks is going to be available for him. I
know George Piggots is uh, yeah, is up? We know
what we know what his market's gonna be.

Speaker 1 (01:18:51):
Yeah, it's gonna be big. It's gonna be big.

Speaker 4 (01:18:53):
So you know it's it's be interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:18:59):
Yeah. Side question on the on the George Pickens thing.
Cowboys have gotten so public the last two weeks about
how badly they want to keep them. They just made
Ceedee Lamb the second highest paid receiver in the game
third I guess now behind Jamar and Justin.

Speaker 2 (01:19:17):
But they're just fawning over him, and I'm thinking.

Speaker 1 (01:19:22):
Woof, that's probably not where I'd spend my money if
I were the Cowboys. You're gonna you're gonna not spend
on Micaeh Parsons, and then what you're gonna do that
You're gonna go north of thirty million dollars for George
Pickens next to Ceedee Lamb and the highest paid quarterback

(01:19:44):
in the game.

Speaker 2 (01:19:50):
That sounds that sounds like a bad idea if you ask.

Speaker 4 (01:19:55):
Good But.

Speaker 3 (01:20:00):
Yep, does it sound like a bad idea to the
Dallas Cowboys.

Speaker 4 (01:20:05):
Oh, who's specializing bad idea?

Speaker 1 (01:20:07):
It sounds exactly like something that the Cowboys.

Speaker 4 (01:20:10):
Would They would do it. Sign me up for that.

Speaker 1 (01:20:15):
So if Pickens gets what I think Pickens is going
to get, they'd be looking at somewhere in the neighborhood
of one hundred and thirty million per year on Dak
and his two wide receivers. Wow, they're not gonna win
anything with that.

Speaker 3 (01:20:32):
No, they're not winning They're they're not winning anything right
now with it now, they're just not payings for.

Speaker 2 (01:20:40):
It now right right.

Speaker 6 (01:20:42):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:20:42):
And they can't stop any I don't know what the
hell the Eagles were doing in the second half, but
they can't stop anybody.

Speaker 2 (01:20:48):
They have no defense.

Speaker 1 (01:20:51):
Interesting bears watching, by the way, speaking of poor construction,
does that describe the Bills? And we're gonna get to
the Chiefs and the Bengals as well. All that is
coming up. Yeah, it's a busy day. They got a
phrase in our industry, it's called burying the lead, and

(01:21:13):
sometimes it's bearing the lead. Sometimes, I don't know. Sometimes
you just like to wait and build up to it
a little bit. And maybe that's what we're doing tonight.
I don't know. You tell me. We're broadcasting live from
the Fox Sports Radio studios and here we are, e
from two hours in and we haven't really talked about
what was billed as the game of the day, and

(01:21:35):
it didn't disappoint. It ended up in overtime, and throughout
the broadcast I'm sure you were watching, they're literally saying,
this is a playoff game, like, Chiefs are out, man,
They're out if they lose this game. And the Colts
got an early lead and then held it and held
it and held it. But in the second half Danny
Dimes could not really move the ball, and you just

(01:21:57):
had this feeling all along as the Chiefs they feel
like they're gonna find a way in this one, and
Patrick Mahomes sure did. There was a third and seven
deep in his own territory. Actually it might have been
a yeah, it was. It was a third and seven
deep in their own territory. In overtime, stepped up in
the pocket got hit as he threw and just hit

(01:22:20):
Zabi You're worthy with a dime just across midfield.

Speaker 2 (01:22:23):
And from that moment forward, they had it.

Speaker 1 (01:22:26):
And they bled it all the way down and they
kicked a short field goal and they win the game,
and the Chiefs, instead of being five and six, go
to six and five.

Speaker 2 (01:22:36):
And so now the.

Speaker 1 (01:22:39):
Analytics, the percentages say that the Chiefs will end up
in the playoffs. All, well, we'll see, we'll see. But
they definitely needed that one and it's the first close
game that they've won all year.

Speaker 4 (01:22:51):
Well, they needed that one.

Speaker 3 (01:22:53):
But if they lose the next two like they needed one,
they need right, they need two out of the three.

Speaker 2 (01:23:02):
Well, schedule lightings a little bit.

Speaker 4 (01:23:03):
Now, Well they had Dallas.

Speaker 3 (01:23:06):
On at Dallas on Thanksgiving Thanksgiving, and then they add
the Houston Texas, the Texans at home.

Speaker 1 (01:23:16):
That's in Kansas City. Yeah, still, I would I get it.

Speaker 4 (01:23:20):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:23:21):
I mean, the Chiefs hasn't they haven't shown like I'm
not teams aren't afraid of what's happening.

Speaker 4 (01:23:28):
You know, And so that Thanksgiving game is gonna be tough.

Speaker 2 (01:23:35):
I hear you.

Speaker 1 (01:23:35):
I don't disagree. And they still have Denver and the
Chargers on their schedule. Yeah, so they've got they've got
Vegas and Tennessee. So if I give them those, that
puts them at eight and five, and of the other four,
can they go too and two?

Speaker 2 (01:23:54):
And his ten wins enough?

Speaker 4 (01:23:57):
Yeah, Like, I don't know if the ten win mark
is good enough anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:24:03):
You look at it right now. And the thing that
I think they're looking at because the Ravens and Steelers
will do their thing whenever someone's gonna come out of there,
but that's probably I don't think the loser of that
is gonna be the wild card. I think that's going
to be a one playoff division. But what the Chiefs
are looking at, even at six and five, they're still
looking up at the seven win Chargers who beat them,

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the seven win Jags who beat them, and the seven
win Bills who beat them. So that's what they got
to pass one of those teams. And and yeah, so
ten e ten, they might need to get to eleven.
I think eleven is the magic number, I really do.

Speaker 2 (01:24:44):
And that means they can only lose one more game.

Speaker 4 (01:24:47):
That's what I'm saying. That's tough, that's tough.

Speaker 1 (01:24:53):
It's very tough no matter who you're playing.

Speaker 3 (01:24:55):
That no matter who you're playing, and so I situations
where yes, this game was a must win, and it
took everything for them to get this game.

Speaker 4 (01:25:09):
It's not going to be easy.

Speaker 3 (01:25:10):
They dug themselves a hole and quite possibly won't be
able to get out of it. Now, you can't put
anything past Andy Reid, Patrick Mahomes, but it's it's not.

Speaker 4 (01:25:26):
I don't know if they're going to be able to run.

Speaker 3 (01:25:28):
The ball on people like they did today, which really
helped that offense. It really opened up the middle of
the field because they haven't been able to run the
ball for the last I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:25:41):
A few years.

Speaker 3 (01:25:41):
But this year is needed more than anything because you know,
teams are just making them, you know, drive down the
field like you got you know, they're not giving up
big plays. Now Xavier Worthy was was was great?

Speaker 4 (01:26:01):
Or she Rice was? She was great? Yeah, yep, yep.
So you know, we'll see, uh, we'll see how this
thing shakes out.

Speaker 1 (01:26:09):
Man.

Speaker 4 (01:26:09):
I know they got all mus wins. I could tell
you that.

Speaker 1 (01:26:13):
Well, yeah, they had to have this one had to
And it looked for most of the day like they
weren't going to get it. I sort of look at
it also in the points, did you what was the points?

Speaker 4 (01:26:25):
Three and a half?

Speaker 1 (01:26:25):
Three and a half? Yeah, yeah, right on it got
that yep ding Yeah. I just I want to look
at this game from all the angles too, and I'm
starting to go, Okay, Colts, let's talk about you for
a second. Because at seven and one, they beat Tennessee

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week eight, blew them out. They had just blown out
the Chargers as well, and we all were officially super impressed.

Speaker 2 (01:26:58):
And I'm not about to dismiss the Colts.

Speaker 1 (01:27:00):
They're still probably on their way to the AFC South Championship.
They're only a game ahead of Jacksonville and still have
both of those head to head matchups to play. But
they've had a bye week last week, and then go
back two weeks before that, their last three games.

Speaker 2 (01:27:19):
Were weird ones.

Speaker 1 (01:27:21):
They go to Pittsburgh, got totally outplayed, then they hop
the Pond and need overtime to beat Atlanta, and then
come back after the bye and go to Kansas City
and had today which again not some sort of a
poor performance, but in the second halves of these games,

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especially outdoor winter environment type games, boy, that offense all
of the sudden, which has just been looking unstoppable most
of the year. It just paused, It just paused. They
could not do anything in the second half. Yeah, they
could not even get They couldn't even move the chains

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when they needed to move the chains, let alone score.

Speaker 3 (01:28:05):
Yeah, and I think I think Kansas, well, Chris Jones
was was the reason.

Speaker 4 (01:28:13):
The period. Like Chris Jones alone was the reason. He
was unbelievable.

Speaker 3 (01:28:20):
Every time they dropped back to pass, he had severely
beaten the offensive lineman in front of him and was
in the pocket of Daniel Jones. Couldn't get comfortable, didn't
have a jounte, a running game like they had been
accustomed to. And so look, you got look, those are

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tough games. Am I out on Endy?

Speaker 4 (01:28:47):
Not at all? Because how many Chris Jones do they
have to play?

Speaker 1 (01:28:53):
Well, they don't have to play Chris Jones, but you
know they need to play twice still.

Speaker 2 (01:28:58):
Will Anderson and Denil Hunter.

Speaker 1 (01:29:01):
I watch you, I watch you would Yeah go ahead, okay, lord, right.

Speaker 3 (01:29:06):
Hey man, studying the whole league offensive coordinators and quarterbacks going,
We'll say what now.

Speaker 1 (01:29:15):
I'm telling you, man, if anybody has had their team
struggle offensively, against Houston. All you needed to do was
watch that game Thursday, and you suddenly feel you're like, oh, okay,
never mind, never mind, that's like, I get it. That

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was unbelievable. You stocked to Josh Allen eight nine times.

Speaker 4 (01:29:41):
They made Josh Allen look like Geno Smith.

Speaker 1 (01:29:51):
I want you to hear what India has got the
rest of the way at eight and three, Now, that
was an opportunity to go nine and two. They fell
to eight and three. I'm not going to give you
a home road. I'm just gonna read these six games
in a row, Houston, Jacksonville, Seattle, San Francisco, Jacksonville, Houston.

Speaker 2 (01:30:14):
That's what Indy has.

Speaker 1 (01:30:15):
The rest of the way home Houston at Jacksonville, at Seattle,
host the Niners on a Monday night, host the Jags,
and then finish the year in Houston. They will win
some of those, but there is not a break. There's

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not a break on that whole schedule.

Speaker 3 (01:30:39):
No, will I look hit. You want to be good
man to rubber hit the road you got didn't look here? Hey, yep,
you know Danny Dimes, Indiana Jones, whatever they want to
call you.

Speaker 1 (01:30:52):
I just start looking back and look I'm not. It's
the NFL. If you're eight and three, you're eight and three.
But Week two they beat Denver by one. Don't forget
that was with that weird penalty on the last play
of the game that allowed them to retry a field goal.
They win that game. They beat up the Chargers pretty good.

(01:31:15):
I still can't figure that team out. But outside of that, bro,
their wins are the Falcons, the Titans, the Cardinals, the Raiders,
the Titans again, the Dolphins, they lost the Rams, they
lost the Steelers, they lost the Chiefs.

Speaker 3 (01:31:31):
Yeah, but you got to realize, you know, the Jaguars
aren't world beaters.

Speaker 4 (01:31:34):
Nobody believes in them. No, but they're not.

Speaker 3 (01:31:36):
Depending on you know, who's playing quarterback for Houston. There's
a lot of up in the air, especially in that division.
So it's not a situation where you're like, well, I
mean what we do have to realize you get to
eight wins and you got six to left to go,
you're a pretty good team, no doubt, you're pretty good team.

Speaker 1 (01:31:59):
They're very good team.

Speaker 3 (01:32:00):
So I don't want to I don't want to sit
here and be like, well, they ain't play nobody.

Speaker 4 (01:32:08):
I mean, that's eight wins.

Speaker 3 (01:32:09):
I mean, I'm just nobody has a schedule like that
outside of Baltimore.

Speaker 1 (01:32:13):
I think could have remained. Two weeks ago, that division
was not even a fought. No, and now it is.

Speaker 4 (01:32:20):
Now it is.

Speaker 1 (01:32:21):
Yeah, yeah, all three of those two.

Speaker 4 (01:32:22):
Everybody woke up.

Speaker 3 (01:32:23):
I'm still Jacksonville still sleep in my opinion, I don't
trust them at all.

Speaker 2 (01:32:29):
I agree with you. I agree with you.

Speaker 1 (01:32:30):
If anybody has watched the Jaguars play, Trevor Lawrence is
not very good.

Speaker 4 (01:32:35):
No, he's not.

Speaker 1 (01:32:36):
He's not very good. And I don't really want to
hear from anybody who, oh, you know, first pick, blah
blah blah blah.

Speaker 3 (01:32:41):
I like, no, he hasn't lived up to any at all,
any expectations whatsoever.

Speaker 1 (01:32:47):
They are ball hawking defense. They have had the turnover
margin go their way. I like both of their running backs.

Speaker 4 (01:32:53):
And they missed.

Speaker 3 (01:32:54):
They misused Travis Hunter, yep, completely made him irrelevant.

Speaker 1 (01:33:00):
Weird football team. It's a weird football team and.

Speaker 3 (01:33:03):
A weird football town. Yeah, I've been there. I was
stuck there for two years. I was like, so you
guys don't want to go to the games. No, Georgia
Florida comes and you they sitting on top of the lights.
Right we played, They've had to block out ten thousand seats.

Speaker 1 (01:33:28):
How much pain is Baker Mayfield and.

Speaker 4 (01:33:31):
He not back Teddy Bridgewater.

Speaker 1 (01:33:35):
Or are they just down by twenty four?

Speaker 3 (01:33:37):
No, I think it's I think he's hurt, so I
this might be Teddy Bridgewater for the next couple of weeks.

Speaker 1 (01:33:46):
That's that's that's tough, tough blow because they're about to
fall to six and five here and once again, come
hell or high water. The NFC South is just some
five hundred team that hosts sweek one of the playoffs.

Speaker 4 (01:34:00):
They got to get rid of that, right, all.

Speaker 2 (01:34:04):
Right, great stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:34:05):
We'll get an update on everything from Steve in about
fifteen minutes. We're live in the Fox Sports Radio studios.
Speaking of that Bill's loss, I do want to dive
into the construction of that team.

Speaker 2 (01:34:16):
And then also I keep hearing the NFL reporters.

Speaker 1 (01:34:19):
Be like bringing Joe Burrow back so that they can
go after their fading playoff hopes. I'm like, they're three
and eight, What in the hell are you all talking about?

Speaker 2 (01:34:32):
The Bengals are.

Speaker 1 (01:34:32):
Not going anywhere this year, so should they play Joe
Burrow we'll get to all of that coming up next
on Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 2 (01:34:41):
That's a good track.

Speaker 1 (01:34:42):
I hope this was on the Bill's team plane on
the way home Thursday. We're live in the Fox Sports
Radio studios. By the way, podcast is coming, so if
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(01:35:04):
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Speaker 2 (01:35:08):
You could even provide a review if you so choose.

Speaker 1 (01:35:10):
Again, you search Fox Sports Radio wherever you get your podcasts,
and you'll find our full show today posted right after
we get off of the air. If we're used to
this kind of in the NBA, that's where we hear
it most, when you've got a great player or set
of players on your team, but it's not quite getting

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over the top. It's a common thing for an NBA
player to come to a franchise and say, what you
need to get me some help. You need to get
me some help like this is not I can't. The
whole thing's got to work right, the whole operation, Like
I can be your a, but you've got to surround

(01:35:56):
me with the things that are necessary right, Yeah, why
are you gasping.

Speaker 4 (01:36:05):
Watching this Laker game?

Speaker 2 (01:36:08):
But you gotta get some Louke. You gotta get Luca
some help.

Speaker 4 (01:36:11):
Man, he got help.

Speaker 2 (01:36:12):
You gotta get him some help.

Speaker 4 (01:36:13):
Lebron out there, you got Austin out there.

Speaker 1 (01:36:16):
The captain Psciatica just showed up with.

Speaker 4 (01:36:17):
A couple of year man. He here they about to
blow this game.

Speaker 1 (01:36:21):
Yeah, well, how come nobody ever brings that up about
Josh Allen?

Speaker 4 (01:36:30):
Man, he needs some helpful?

Speaker 1 (01:36:31):
Real?

Speaker 2 (01:36:31):
How come nobody ever brings that up? I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:36:35):
I don't get it, like for real? How come nobody
ever brings that up? The defense?

Speaker 3 (01:36:43):
Eh, he's gotta I like the running back, you know,
Oh my god, I like the running back.

Speaker 1 (01:36:54):
Do you let me know when they score a basket
so that you're okay?

Speaker 4 (01:36:56):
And he just missed the free throws one o seven,
one six, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:37:00):
Man, but from left people throws. Nobody makes them all eat.

Speaker 1 (01:37:05):
From all right?

Speaker 8 (01:37:06):
He made that one.

Speaker 1 (01:37:08):
There you go see. But I'm watching I'm watching that
game on Thursday night, watching this game right now now.
I'm not watching that.

Speaker 2 (01:37:22):
I'm still I'm still watching the Rams and the Bucks.

Speaker 4 (01:37:24):
I'm watching all of them.

Speaker 2 (01:37:27):
I know you got more teens where you are than
I have.

Speaker 1 (01:37:30):
But anyway, like, I don't know, man, I've never really
understood the uh the Bills wide receiver corps.

Speaker 2 (01:37:41):
I've never really understood it.

Speaker 1 (01:37:42):
I really don't understand it now, this Keon Coleman situation,
I really I thought he would really start to boogie
this year.

Speaker 2 (01:37:50):
It's gone the the opposite way.

Speaker 4 (01:37:52):
He has decided not to be a pro.

Speaker 1 (01:37:54):
Here we go again. I just I wonder why we
don't hear that more. With regard to Josh Allen, I
have no questions about Josh Allen, but I have all
kinds of questions about the way that team is constructed
around him.

Speaker 3 (01:38:11):
I would agree, I think, well, it was a lot
of that with Brady when it came to actual weapons,
they were so good. They're so good that you're like,
oh no, he can do it right right now, he's
got it.

Speaker 1 (01:38:30):
But that's because the rest of the roster was like
offensive line, you had a defense, you had gronk like right,
the construction of the team made sense.

Speaker 2 (01:38:42):
I'm not quite sure what the are the Bills literally
like just Josh just run around, you run around and
do stuff like that?

Speaker 4 (01:38:50):
Is yes, that is it?

Speaker 1 (01:38:51):
That's not a plan. That's not a plan. It's a
bad plan. I don't I don't. I don't know what
they are offering in terms of how to go about
beating an opponent other than let's just have Josh be Josh.

Speaker 4 (01:39:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:39:15):
It's uh, it's a gross dereliction of duty from that
front office, all the receivers out there. Maybe Brendon and
You could be there next year. Maybe maybe somebody got
to beat her to catch the ball.

Speaker 1 (01:39:34):
Though, well they tried, Yeah, but they tried that before
and the whole Stefan Diggs thing happened when they wanted
to go get you know, an a.

Speaker 2 (01:39:46):
I'm just you want to know where my eyes are?

Speaker 1 (01:39:49):
Is McDermott like he'd been a coach for a long
time and still people I don't think people know who
he is or what's his thing, what's your what's your
what's the identity? Or are you? I mean, honestly, if
someone's like, what's his identity, I'd be like, he's Josh
Allen's coach, that's his identity. No one says that about

(01:40:14):
Andy Reid. They don't say that's Patrick Mahomes coach. That's
Andy Reid, and he does X and Y and Z
et cetera. Same with John Harbaugh. They've had great defenses there.
They've got Derrick Henry, They've had whatever. They've always seemed
like they have a great tight end. But Sean McDermott

(01:40:37):
is just the guy who happens to be the head
coach of Josh Allen's team.

Speaker 3 (01:40:44):
Yeah, it's you know, Josh is. If Josh Allen's not
on the Bills, they're.

Speaker 4 (01:40:50):
Not a playoff team.

Speaker 1 (01:40:50):
They're terrible, right.

Speaker 3 (01:40:52):
They're They're like they're vying for the first pick in
the draft. That's how bad that poorly that rosters is
put together. They're literally a lottery team top five pick.
If Josh Allen's not on the team. Every other team

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has won games without their starting quarterback. I don't know
if the Buffalo could do it.

Speaker 1 (01:41:20):
I love how locked in you are on the Laker
game that you just called them a lottery team.

Speaker 4 (01:41:24):
I know one.

Speaker 1 (01:41:25):
Are you relaxed now? They want?

Speaker 3 (01:41:27):
I am?

Speaker 4 (01:41:27):
I'm upset though I'm upset.

Speaker 2 (01:41:29):
I would have been like that, what are you upset about?

Speaker 3 (01:41:32):
You know you're up by yeah, by not ten points
with a minute thirty left and you went by two.

Speaker 1 (01:41:39):
Now, sometimes you gotta grind one out on the road.
I guess you gotta grind one out on the road.
Sometimes you know it's a w The Lakers are twelve
and four. It's gonna be okay. Lebron had set points tonight.

Speaker 4 (01:42:02):
He's getting back into it.

Speaker 1 (01:42:04):
I know, I know, I know, I know. No, they're good.
They're good in the difficult West. Off to a pretty
good start considering how much time Lebron's missed. No, yeah,
I agree, Okay, I hope you're okay.

Speaker 4 (01:42:25):
I am.

Speaker 2 (01:42:27):
Okay. I know what would make you feel better?

Speaker 3 (01:42:36):
Oh, I already feel better. It's already feel better.

Speaker 8 (01:42:42):
The Lakers did survive. By the way, everything is now
final in the NBA. Tonight, it was one six at Utah,
not only Lebron James seventeen points, eight assists, Luka Donsig
thirty three points, eleven rebounds, eight assists and six turnovers.
Also Phoenix and at each one. Oklahoma City is seventeen

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and one after ripping Portland one twenty two to ninety five.
Shay Gilgis Alexander in thirty minutes had thirty seven points.
Oka season one nine straight. Toronto won at seventh straight
wins for Cleveland and Boston. Boston's actually over the five
hundred mark nine to eight, and Miami was a winner
at Philadelphia one twenty seven, one seventeen, and Tyler Hero

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is due to make his season debut on Monday after
ankle surgery. I'm tempted to say they haven't missed him
because Norman Powell's now with the heat and he had
thirty two points in this win today. Kevin Durant to
the Rockets is reportedly out for two games due to
a family matter. Aaron Gordon of the Nuggets will miss
four to six weeks with a strained hamstring to the
NFL Bucks, quarterback Baker Mayfield is out the rest of

(01:43:45):
the night in the game at the Rams due to
a left shoulder injury, so Teddy Bridgewater is the quarterback
for the second half. Rams had a halftime lead of
thirty one seven. That is still the lead with three
minutes to go in the third. Matthew Stafford touchdown passes
two to Devonte Adams. Stafford two hundred and forty eight
yards through the air. The two Rams running backs have

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just four carries each and it's not gonna matter. The
Rams are gonna win. Their sixth in a row. They'll
be up to nine and two. They'll be alone in
first in the NFC standings, ahead of Philadelphia, which gagged
a twenty one to nothing lead at Dallas late first
half and the Cowboys beat him on a field goal
in the final play twenty four to twenty one. Dak
Press got three hundred and fifty four yards passing three

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total touchdowns. Jacksonville won in overtime at Arizona twenty seven
to twenty four, Trevor Lawrence three touchdown passes and four turnovers.
Cleveland won at Las Vegas twenty four to twenty as
Gino Smith was sacked ten times. Atlanta ended a five
game losing streak with a twenty four to ten win
at New Orleans. Kirk Cousins two touchdown passes, one interception.

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Quarterback Michael Pennix of the Falcons is due to have
ACL reconstruction surgery this week. The Chiefs won in overtime
in a comeback against the Colts twenty three to twenty.
The Chiefs had trailed twenty to nine with nine minutes
left in the fourth quarter. Overtime win for Detroit so
over the Giants thirty four twenty seven. Giants have lost
six straight. Although Jameis Winston did throw for three hundred

(01:45:13):
and sixty six yards two touchdown passes one touchdown reception.
The Detroit defense until today not only had not allowed
one hundred yard rusher, they had not allowed a three
hundred yard passer until Winston. Today. New England won its
ninth straight game twenty six to twenty at Cincinnati. That
Bengals defense, the worst in the league, only allows twenty

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six points. They had been on a string in well.
They've lost eight of nine now, but the Bengals in
the last nine straight games had allowed at least twenty
seven points gave up twenty six today. Baltimore won its
fifth game in a row. They're up to six and
five after beating the Jets twenty three to ten. Jets
record two and nine. Chicago over Pittsburgh thirty one twenty eight,

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Caleb Williams three touchdown passes, won fumble. Seattle won at
Tennessee thirty to twenty four. The Titans have lost six straight.
They're one to ten. Tony Pollard of Tennessee eleven carries
twenty yards a total of twenty one penalties in that game.
Green Bay over Minnesota twenty three to six. Vikings offense,
nine drives, ten first downs. The team had three turnovers

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under one hundred and fifty total yards. As for the
College Football News, cal fired football coach Justin Wilcox after
nine years there. Florida State says coach Mike Norvel will
return next season. Advancing the Major League Soccers East Final
where Miami getting a goal for Messi today. Also New
York City advanced NHL wins for Buffalo and Colorado. And guys,

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the golf seasons are over for twenty twenty five. PGA
Tour is not going to start up for twenty twenty
six until the Hawaii event in mid January and then
they go to California. There was the final event of
the year in Georgia today and we got Finland's first
ever PGA Tour winner, Sammy Vallamachi. Also of note, if

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you finish top one hundred in the FedEx Cup standings
you get a full PGA Tour card for next season
when the fields will be smaller. So there was one golfer,
for example, Ricky Castillo, who needed to close out well
today and get up to the top one hundred he
finished with a sixty two. Looks like he's good. And

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then another golfer holds a thirty foot birdie putt on
the final hole, also for a good score, and Castillo
finishes at number one oh two in the standings. Another
golfer had a ten foot birdie putt and missed it,
and he finishes at one oh one in the Cup standings.

Speaker 2 (01:47:42):
Oh, come on.

Speaker 8 (01:47:43):
Valamachi is apparently a runner up from a couple weeks
ago at a Mexico event. Now he has, after this
win today, a two year exemption on the PGA Tour
and he gets to play in the first two signature
events next year by where he had that great finish
at fifty one in the FedEx Cup standings. We've talked
about this before. These signature events are the events where

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the money mimics live golf. It's a twenty million dollar perse.
This unknown is gonna get to be in the first
two of those next year live golf payout, something that
women's golf has not been familiar with. They finished with
their tour championship in Naples, Florida.

Speaker 2 (01:48:24):
Today.

Speaker 8 (01:48:24):
The winner, Gino Titekun, set an LPGA record lowest scoring
average in the history of the tour seventy five years
four shot victory today. This is a golfer who a
couple months ago four putted a finish to lose a tournament,
and she from Thailand said, I have the ice pack
put in my eyes because I cried so bad. And

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she'd had risk problems recently and had to cut the
practice sessions leading into the finale just to be healthy enough.
And she had a six shot league going into the
final day today over Nelly Korda, and she winds up
winning the tournament and she wins check for four million
dollars today, the equal of any live golf event. It

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is the largest prize in women's golf. To put this
in perspective, she's had a great year and had not
earned four million dollars total this entire season. She now
four million is coming her way after today. Yikes. Also,
she will be LPGA Player of the Year, the new

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number one, by the way Korda who was number one.
She became the first player since Tiger Woods in twenty
ten to go from seven victories in one says a
season two zero the following year. So golf is done,
although technically the Tiger Woods Foundation does have its hero
World Challenge in the Bahamas in a couple of weeks.

Speaker 1 (01:49:47):
Back to you, Steve, and I are old enough to
remember when that hero World Challenge used to be right
right on the Calory. Yeah, right up the street from
where you guys are sitting right now. Used to go
to that thing all the time. We used to get
to go play Shirtwood at the media event for that.
Damn it, Bahamas. What are we doing?

Speaker 8 (01:50:08):
It's too far so a limited field. Are you saying
you're not in the Bahamas event this time.

Speaker 1 (01:50:12):
Around and not this time not this time away? But anyway, Wow,
that's great. I love all that detail, Steve. That's that's awesome,
and good for her. That's that's great. That's it's wonderful
once in a while to hear about the people who
get the four million dollar checks in golf who actually
deserve them.

Speaker 8 (01:50:33):
So that's good, unlike some of the team sports that
we could talk about. By the way, I did you have?

Speaker 2 (01:50:41):
Amen? Amen to that? Amen to that?

Speaker 1 (01:50:44):
All right, great stuff tonight, Steve, Thank you so much.
As always, we are live in these Fox Sports radio studios. Hey,
we'll do the Borough thing coming up next. I want
to get another fourth down thing off my chest real quick. Okay,
do you know what the percentage is fourth and one?
Just overall NFL fourth and one.

Speaker 4 (01:51:06):
It's got to be it's got to be thirty percent. No, no, no, no,
like like, oh, how many times they do it?

Speaker 2 (01:51:14):
Yeah? Like, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 (01:51:15):
What what is the likelihood of converting when you go
forward on fourth and one? How often do they convert?
What's sixty it's actually just north of that. It's a
good guess, but it's somewhere between sixty five and seventy percent?

Speaker 2 (01:51:30):
Is how often? So you're likely to get it?

Speaker 1 (01:51:34):
I just want to know when, why, and when does
the machismo run out? Y'all want to go for it
on fourth and four at the four even though it's
a tie game with a minute to go, because you're like, yes,
ask what we do?

Speaker 2 (01:51:51):
We go for it around here? I'd tell my team
that we.

Speaker 1 (01:51:54):
Go forward around here?

Speaker 2 (01:51:56):
Okay, Dan, what about this? Come about?

Speaker 1 (01:52:01):
It's fourth and one at your own twenty yard line,
but you're down by twenty four points and it's about
to be the fourth quarter.

Speaker 2 (01:52:12):
Who gives a rip?

Speaker 1 (01:52:14):
Go for it? You got nothing to lose. Give me
one good reason. I'd love to hear it from a
player's perspective. A minute to go third quarter, we're down
thirty one to seven and it's fourth and one in
our own twenty What bad thing could happen if we

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go forward it to night?

Speaker 4 (01:52:37):
I agree with that.

Speaker 1 (01:52:38):
What could happen? What's the worst thing that could happen?
Thirty eight to seven? But nobody does that. And that's
why you know, this is proof e that what you're
talking about, it's ego.

Speaker 2 (01:52:54):
That's why they go for.

Speaker 1 (01:52:55):
It, not because it's the right thing to do, Because
the only reason they go forward in that situation is
that they don't want to lose thirty eight to seven.
They don't want to get embarrassed. I don't get it, No,
I just this whole analytics thing, man, it's it's causing.

(01:53:18):
It's going to get lot of people fired. Just why I.

Speaker 4 (01:53:24):
One thing I'm not going to let happen as a
computer give me fired.

Speaker 1 (01:53:30):
Don't you think analytics would say that if you want
to have a miracle, come back down thirty one to
seven with a minute to go in the third, wouldn't
you go forward on fourth?

Speaker 4 (01:53:39):
I want to go for it. You got to go
forward on every fourth down from your own out.

Speaker 1 (01:53:42):
I don't care if you're at your own one. You
can't have fourth and one at your own one. I
get that. You get what I'm saying, like, go for it.
Go for it.

Speaker 4 (01:53:53):
Fourth and one from the two.

Speaker 1 (01:53:57):
Would also be a good trick anyway. All right, we'll
get into the Burrow thing. We'll wrap this up. We'll
get the hell out of the way. It's e from
salam Mark Weather at Fox Sports Radio. Okay, y all
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Speaker 2 (01:54:44):
Yeah, would you play Burrow to three and eight?

Speaker 4 (01:54:48):
Yeah? I play them because I'm paying them.

Speaker 2 (01:54:50):
That's fair.

Speaker 3 (01:54:54):
That's fat sixty million or fifty eight million to just
hang out over there.

Speaker 4 (01:54:58):
No, no, no, we got to go play man.

Speaker 1 (01:55:00):
You know what's funny is some people would say that's
exactly why you don't play.

Speaker 3 (01:55:03):
No, no, we because we want to be able to
hit the ground rolling.

Speaker 4 (01:55:08):
Next year, right, like we can't have.

Speaker 3 (01:55:16):
I mean, at this point, he's just injury prone. So
he's got to get out there, he's got to play.
You gotta play man. It's such a small window of
time that we have to do this thing.

Speaker 4 (01:55:32):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:55:33):
That's why I really don't get low management, Like, it's
such a small window of time to do this thing
because it's going to be over. Why wouldn't you want
to get it all in?

Speaker 1 (01:55:52):
Well, and I think he does, and I think they do.

Speaker 3 (01:55:56):
So I know he's a competitor, so I know he
wants to play.

Speaker 1 (01:56:01):
Yeah, I mean I think he will on Thursday night.

Speaker 4 (01:56:05):
Yeah, man, sign him up, let's go, let's get it going.

Speaker 1 (01:56:09):
Your load management comment is an interesting one because we've
been talking a lot about it lately. You know, Steve
Kerr has been among those has been a real kind
of out front and he always says, look, you know,
there's too many games, but there are more games than
there used to be, and so I finally try to

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try to like dig into this a little bit. In fact,
we did a whole show this week and the question
was what would you do about load management? But we're
going to take away the answer of fewer games. I
can't say that because it's never going to happen because
owners and players, there's nobody who's signing up for less money.

(01:56:51):
This is not Jerry maguire, this is not a mission statement.
So there's not going to be fewer games. And if
you take that away as like what's really going on here?
Like if I ask you, why do you think players
are sitting out? What's your answer?

Speaker 4 (01:57:17):
I don't have an answer that makes sense to me.

Speaker 3 (01:57:22):
You could say, well, because at the back of what
if we're talking basketball for the back to backs, But.

Speaker 4 (01:57:30):
I mean you just you're playing basketball.

Speaker 1 (01:57:36):
I would love to discuss this a little bit further,
but stand by, let's go to Steve Disager.

Speaker 2 (01:57:41):
I think we got some breaking.

Speaker 5 (01:57:42):
News, breaking news from Fox Sports.

Speaker 8 (01:57:47):
The Las Vegas Raiders at two to nine have fired
offensive coordinator Chip Kelly, a guy who had signed on
to Pete Carroll's staff on a deal that reportedly averaged
six million dollars per season. The Raiders offense has been
worse than the Jets so far this year, right around
what Cleveland and Tennessee have done. The Raiders are averaging

(01:58:09):
fifteen points per game. Chip Kelly fired by Las Vegas.

Speaker 3 (01:58:14):
Wow, well, you and I both saw that game, and
both of us came away with the exact same impression.

Speaker 2 (01:58:22):
Yes, oh my god, this is awful.

Speaker 1 (01:58:26):
And we weren't talking about the Browns, So I get it.

Speaker 3 (01:58:29):
Something needed to happen here, something needed to happen. Immediately.
I thought, I thought for sure it was going to
be Pete Carroll.

Speaker 1 (01:58:39):
You thought it was already gonna be Pete.

Speaker 4 (01:58:40):
Yeah. Wow, something's got to give.

Speaker 3 (01:58:43):
Yeah, I mean, you know, not to take anything away
from Pete, but couldn this.

Speaker 4 (01:58:49):
It's a bad product out there.

Speaker 1 (01:58:52):
It's terrible. And Chip Kelly had a minute or two, Well,
whatever was going on at Oregon seemed to be working
with the Philadelphia Eagles, and then it stopped and it
never really happened again. Yeah, like Chip Kelly in the
NFL has largely not worked.

Speaker 3 (01:59:14):
No, it was kind of like when Steve Spurrier came
to the to the NFL. Well, Washington, we're gonna speed
it up, We're gonna do this we're gonna do that.

Speaker 4 (01:59:23):
It just that.

Speaker 1 (01:59:24):
Really doesn't Actually, no, you're not. I mean, I'm just
a big believer in life that you can't replicate the past.
Like when something just works but then it's over, don't

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try to redo it. So the whole Like, let's grab
Pete Carroll and he's gonna get Chip Kelly and we'll
get Geno Smith. You should have smelled that one. You
should have been able to smell that one. Even if
you're Mark Davis, you should have been able to smell
that one. That's what I'm thinking.

Speaker 3 (02:00:05):
I just think they were just searching for something. Man,
they have been disconnected for quite some time. Davante Adams
was stuck there and you see what he's given tonight.

Speaker 1 (02:00:18):
Oh man, he's he looks phenomenal.

Speaker 3 (02:00:20):
Still it's crazy, man. Yeah, you know, shout out to
Max Crosby.

Speaker 1 (02:00:26):
Man hanging in there, huh, just hanging in hanging in
there and still doing this thing. Great to talk to
you always.

Speaker 4 (02:00:34):
Buddy, Absolutely amazing.

Speaker 1 (02:00:36):
Yep for you from slam I, Mark Willard, Playing and
Spaniel have more on Matt the Breaking, Happy Thanksgivings out
with the Raiders. We will talk to you all next week,