In a new episode of Project NIL with Anthony Gargano & William Penn Charter School Director of Athletics Danny DiBerardinis talk about how Curt Cignetti has mastered college football with getting experienced college players on his roster, Demond Williams going back to Washington after trying to leave, and Trinidad Chambliss being denied a 6th year of eligibility.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Well, good morning, good morning, good morning, good morning, Happy
Fox Football Saturday. This is Project Donil Danny de bernadinas
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and together we do Project ni L where we dive
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into all things uh name image likeness from college.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Down to youth sports.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
And uh, Danny, we saw something pretty spectacular last night.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
This Indiana team we knew was good, but we I
don't think we thought they were epically good.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
That was that was that was so impressive, man. I
mean they just from the rip, I mean first played
a game pick sick. I mean they they played a
flawless game. And everything people keep saying is like Signetty did.
Speaker 5 (01:08):
His team just don't make mistakes.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
And you know, it's it's so cool to see a coach,
you know, blossom late, you know, or get recognition late
where he comes into Indiana at you know, he's sixty
five years old, sixty four years old, gets his you know,
a big break late after a couple of years of
JMU and being a coordinator and you know Division two coach.
I mean it's really cool to see his.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Father, right at the level. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (01:35):
Yeah, and he came out from the beginning, he said,
google me I win.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Right. I mean, he's such a great story.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
But you know what's funny, Indiana plays exactly into what
we talk about.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
You know, one of the they are, you know, perfectly coached.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
He's a great, great coach, but he's also unlocked a
formula to win in this landscape, and that is the
average age of Indiana is twenty three years old.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
And I don't know.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
About you, but watching the game last night, it was
to me the difference between watching an NFL team versus
a college team. And I don't mean by talent, I
mean by age, right, Like if you watch Indiana play,
they play smart. They're just grunts, flawless, right. And I know, look,
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I know the five stars, all the five stars that
Oregan has, but they're young, like Dante Moore. I think
you know you and I were together yesterday and I
brought this up about Dante Moore that you know, I
like him a lot, but I could see him making
a mistake and boom, first played the game.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
You know here he is trowing to pick six. He's
twenty years old.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
And then you got the kid you know, getting in
the way, calls it a farm ball. You know, you're
stuck in the seven. The game gets crazy now out
of hand. But there's a lot of youthful mistakes that
Oregon made compared to like a man's team like Indiana.
You know, if you take Dante Moore at twenty and
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I don't know what Oregon his average age is, but
you know, saints around there like that, two to three
years makes a big difference.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
One hundred.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
It's it's just experience, right, they live through it again
they might and he really does have the formula. He
doesn't get the five stars. He's living in the portal.
He's getting guys that have been tested, that understand you know, uh,
this big picture and understand discipline and you know, you
know they're they're just battle tested. And then that makes
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such a difference, especially in these big games right where
you know, and don't get me wrong Indiana's does you know,
they do take some incoming freshmen right there, But to
have an average age of twenty three, most people are
graduating college by twenty three, right, that's the average age
of the entire team, So that means they have to
sprinkle in twenty four to twenty five year olds in Miami.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
He's got a kid that should be senior in high school.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
Yeah, I mean he started at Miami at seventeen this year,
Tony Yeah, yep, yep, you know he was. He was
supposed to be out there with Daja Bell. Imagine that,
DFL DPL.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Oh my god, that's crazy. He was.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
They were at American Heritage together the previous year and
they were supposed to have their senior year together and
he decided too early.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Wow, that was the hawk up.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Ufl of course is one of the top quarterback prospects
in the country. He's going to Texas. For those who
don't know, Yeah, that's that's wild. That's completely wild. But
it goes back to kind of what this whole landscape
back is about, really, what today's show is about, because
of the two big stories evolving the quarterbacks this week
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treated that Chamdlis who gets denied a sixth year by
the NCAA and by the nc double A, and Demon
Williams who was threatened with a lawsuit after going into
the portal in Washington and then returns because he's being threatened.
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You know when you're twenty, you know when you look
at what Indiana is doing. It it works. I mean
it's today, and you know, Signetti is an incredible coach,
but that flaw in the system, or I mean that
he exploited the system by having, you know, like an
NFL light team like they play. Indiana does way more
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NFL like than college. Great if that makes sense, because like,
look at how they play defense, look at how they
block like you know, its signetty. He plays right in
to it. They have it, they get the turnover, it's
first of gop to four. They don't get cute. They're
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not running out a shotgun. He's not throwing the ball.
It's three straight runs and you get into the end zone.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
He doesn't do that game. He's not a big gimmick guy. Right,
he plays football. He plays straight forward and again, everyone
has a job. You know, it's that Belichick philosophy. Everyone
is locked in, everyone has a job, everyone's responsible for something,
and he holds people to that standard.
Speaker 5 (06:32):
And he's not trying to you know, spice up the game.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
He's he's being straightforward with it and it's paying off.
And again, it's easier to do that to keep people
locked in when you're more mature. And that's just he's
figured out a great formula. And I mean they just
beat Oregon in Alabama and they were up thirty five
points in both games.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
I mean that's crazy. I mean that's absolutely great.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
I mean dead organ tee again, turnovers, dieting, man, they know,
but they worn't with they they went scored the twenty
two points. They scored fifteen in the second half, like
they weren't doing that. They weren't scoring. No, if this
was a full game, they would have finished seven with
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a touchdown.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Like Indiana's defense locked in the way they locked in
on Alabama.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
They just shut them down.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
Yeah, and I think Mendoza probably locked himself in that
first overall pick. I mean he threw one hundred and
seventy seven yards. We had five touchdowns.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
By the way, he could have thrown for three hundred
if they wanted to throw. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
So him and more obviously have been the one two
that everyone's been talking about. But you know, head to
head and under the biggest lights, that's a pretty big
statement for him. And you know, again he's an older guy,
bounced around, you know, was that the schools you know?
And ended up here through the portal and you know,
just again, I think Signetti figured out this game a
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little faster than everybody else. Yeah, big time, big time,
And that's a credit to him. I mean, it's he
kind of simplified it. He just said, I'm gonna get
proven guys. I'm not gonna go after these crazy high
profile guys, and you know, I'm gonna lock in with
experienced guys.
Speaker 5 (08:19):
That might have been you know, really solid role players
for a while.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
And we're gonna bring them back and we're gonna, you know,
we're gonna lock in and we're gonna get fifty years
and we're gonna, you know, get guys that have been
through been through the battles before.
Speaker 5 (08:31):
And it's really showing right now.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Yeah, it's I mean, and he I mean, it's we know,
a great story, but you don't think about it though.
Who jumped to it on board this week within the
Anna Mark Cuban.
Speaker 5 (08:47):
Yeah, man, that's gonna be big time.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
I mean, I don't know the official numbers, but I'm
sure he's giving a nice big gift over some years
to really help their collective or to help the school offsets.
Speaker 5 (09:00):
I'm of the you know, that twenty million.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
If I had to guess, it would probably be going
to the collective because I'm pretty sure Indiana is probably
is good with spending that twenty But yeah, I mean,
it's great to see Indiana football at this level.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Right.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
I never thought i'd see it, Right, they were more
of a basketball school, and yeah, to kind of get.
Speaker 5 (09:19):
Into this football light is really cool to see.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
And uh yeah, man, it's it's good to see someone
new at the top. And the Big Ten is looking
like the Power Conference now the SEC they got boat
raced in this playoff.
Speaker 5 (09:32):
Man, I mean, I know they're historically the power but
it looks like that power shift to the Big Ten.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
And then even acc is you know, usually frowned upon.
I mean, Miami is looking great and they had a
couple of losses in conference, so it's.
Speaker 5 (09:45):
Really cool to see.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
It's a lot of that's one of the for me,
that's no, I'm sorry, go ahead now. For me, the
parody is one of the positives.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Of the board. Right.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
There's a lot of negatives we talk about and a
lot of uncertainty, but parody and it to see these
different teams coming up is a positive.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
So you know, it's funny because I look at that
game and I see another blowout.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Yeah, I mean I know.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
I think the number is seven and a half. They're
first and nothing. That thing will be up to ten
and no time. I can't imagine. I don't see Miami,
even though it's at home. I just don't see them.
I don't see that team staying close because they can match,
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they can match, they can match them and everything they do.
Indiana's defense is just as good from you know, all
three levels. I know Miami's front is the best unit,
but if you put all three levels, you know Indiana
is better or as good, and Indiana has got a
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better chance at navigating that defense.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Then I think.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Miami's offense because they'll stop the run. They're gonna stop,
They'll the Fletcher's not gonna go run wild on them.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
Well that was I was just gonna say.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
It depends if Miami's only hope is if they can
continue to establish the run, because they're gonna have to
rely on cars and back against that defense, they're gonna
be for a long night, right, So if their only
hope to keeping this game close and having a chance
is really being able to dominate the run and keep
managing the clock and keeping the ball out of you know,
keeping out of Mendoz's hands, and hopefully they have that opportunity.
Speaker 5 (11:36):
But that's the only way I see them really competing
in a high level in this game.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Yeah, I uh no, I feel you. I just think
they'll they're gonna be able to stop it.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
But let's set up kind of the team of the
show today with these what we saw this week.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
There was a ruling on Trendingdad chamb Listen, it's a
shame speaking in Miami.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
That old Miss game was fabulous.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
That fourth quarter was just an epic fourth quarter, one
of the best quarters that we've seen.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
Up and down, back and forth.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
They went after each other, and so Triggerdad Chamberlis wants
to stay in college. He's a late bloomer, so he
petitions the NCUBLEA for the sixth year because he spent
the bulk of his career in Division two, didn't get
a chance and he's a late bloomer.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Well, he gets.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Denied, which really upsets me that this toothless entity that
is suddenly the NC double A coming in and denying
this kid another year when they've granted kids sixty years
all over the place.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
Yeah, and just for the listeners who might not know that,
into the weeds of this situation, he played Division two football.
Speaker 5 (12:55):
He read shirt his freshman year, very very common.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
His sophomore year, he had some medical issues, right, They
said he had something with his tonsils, he had a
hard palpitation. However, they didn't really document it very well
at the Division two level, right, No one's looking down
at those Division two Yes, agreed, because it's a smaller school.
They weren't thinking long term that that wasn't in their mindset,
so they didn't really document it to the level that
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they should have at the time. Now, the n stay
petition for the NCAA to get this extra year of eligibility.
He's played three years, right, so technically he's played three
He's played three seasons over five years. They've given extra
years of eligibility all the time. But they're falling back
on the denial for documentation, saying that the school did
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not document it properly and there was not enough medical
information from the time, and that falls on the school. Right,
he was seeing the school doctors. He wasn't going to
outside doctors.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
So, right, this wasn't some you know, elite, you know
prospect that gets the top carrier whose agentsoul getting them.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
Yeah, he's at Farrish State, right, He's at a smaller
school where they don't have, you know, all these resources.
Speaker 5 (14:06):
And that's what the NCUBLEA has fallen back on.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
They're saying that they're denying it for lack of documentation
at Farris State. They're still going to peel right, they
have lawyers involved. It's still not dead, but it's not.
It's not a good start for him, and I don't
know how he gets it flipped. He's don't have to
have a judge probably file an injunction against the nc DOUBLEA.
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But yeah, I mean it's crazy. He's a late bloomer
kids playing his tail off.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Now.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
Look he's he's slotted to be a third to fourth
round pick. But for those people out there that don't know,
he signed a five million dollar deal with Old Miss
to come back as a third round pick. Let's say
highest scenario. I saw him ranked in the eighties. It's
a six million dollar contract over four years. He makee
five and one year in college. Just think about that.
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One year at Old Miss is five million dollars.
Speaker 5 (14:59):
If he was going in his eligibility for next year.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
If he's drafted in a third round, which is like
best case scenario is what I'm reading, he'd make six
million over four years.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
So it's a big thing.
Speaker 5 (15:13):
It's life changing for him, right.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
It's life changing. And here's my beef.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
It's that the NC double A, which has been this
toothless they've they've they've presided over anarchy, like it's presided
over adarchy during the NC double a's watch, we've seen
this thing just go banandis right chaos.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
Now all of a sudden, you're gonna come in and flex.
Speaker 5 (15:45):
Yeah, And we talk about it.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
It's like they were in this limbos like we want
to treat them like professionals, but we also then want
to fall back on this amateur logic when it funny.
Speaker 5 (15:56):
Sees fit for us. Right, And that's the biggest thing
is the inconsistency of it all.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
They basically said, hey, we're stepping away, We're gonna let
it be a while west until Congress steps in, and
then there's situations like this and they're like, well, there's
documentation flaws from Farris State. So the inconsistency is my
biggest is beef with it is, because you know, you
can't be all over the place with it. If you're
gonna let it be open, let it be open, right,
And you're penalizing a kid for for.
Speaker 5 (16:22):
Farris State, for a school not doing what they're part
right and.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
The school, I mean, let's face it, come on, it's
Farris State. It's it's not Michigan.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
And not to mention there's people way older than them.
It's not like he's thirty years old. No, you know,
if there was an age thing, right, it's like what's
the number then? Right, right, Like he's twenty two. I
think he's twenty three years old. He's not twenty six.
There's twenty six, twenty seven year old still playing in college.
So of course, just because they might have documented or
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took a different route where they didn't start their eligibility clock,
it's my problem with that is inconsistency. And I really
hope that he does win an appeal because I would
love to see him back out there, and I would
love for him to have the opportunity to you know,
capitalize on this you know potential.
Speaker 5 (17:11):
And his late blooming. You know, it's just she should
be penalized for that.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
No, No, and it really kind of it just bothers me.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
I like, it feels like he's being penalized because he's
a late bloomer.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
I mean, you know, the first two years of watch
red shirt, you get second year the health stuff.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
You know, you're you're at a Division two.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
You come in here and you only come in because
and you only get a chance because the starter gets hurt.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
Yeah, I mean and again like in this nil or
like he's brought in a billion dollars for old miss right,
he's signed to the three hundred grand right to come
from Ferris State. He is not capitalized on this at no,
you know, not nearly of these other guys, like my
thing is like he hasn't. It's not like he's milk
this thing dry. This guy is one of the best
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players in college football and his create generated millions, if
not billions of dollars for NT.
Speaker 5 (18:10):
Double A in his school, and he's not been able
to reap the rewards of it.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
Curious is it for me?
Speaker 2 (18:18):
You're dead right, and I'm curious what to judge, how
the legal what's going to happen.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
And we'll get into it.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Also, Demon Williams, who's being who is threatened with a
lawsuit about leaving Washington. We'll get to that coming up next. Also,
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Speaker 3 (20:10):
Uh So, let's discuss DeMont Williams. Now.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
So there's another crazy story that DeMont Williams is at
Washington like he's one of the the highly recruited, highly prospect,
highly paid prospects a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
So he does a deal for four million dollars at Washington.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
He then shortly thereafter says, oh, wait, I want to
go to the portal, and it appeared that LSU was
looking at Williams that he was going to go to LSU. Well,
Washington goes been at us because they just did a
deal with him. So then they go through all the loopholes. Well,
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you didn't go into the portal.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
You didn't. You didn't your paperwork for the portal. They
refused to put his name in the portal.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Not meanwhile, he could have just unenrolled at Washington and
then enrolled at LSU. But Washington went through the contract
and they were they threatened a lawsuit.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
Not meanwhile.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
It was kind of a not a good look because
a soccer player had passed and there was a vigil
and he announced it during that and it was just
kind of kind of just not a good thing.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
For the kid. But beyond it all, there's an agent switch.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
We we make these kids pros basically, but then we
would to enforce a contract that's unenforceable.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
Acquit a law. Yeah, I mean we loosely, they're loose
the country up, Sorry, go ahead, No.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
We pretenders they're endorsements, right, They're probably getting paid from
the collective right, which is an endorsement based namage and likeness. Right,
But then we want to say they're employees, but they
don't get four oh one case, they don't get you know,
health benefits. So it's a really weird spot to be
in because we offer these contracts and then we want
them to hold them binding, right, But there's a lot
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of things that don't go into it. And he's a
twenty year old kid, right. He played one year and
people were in a little bit of outrage. They said,
like he initially was committed to a well he in
twenty two he committed the Old Miss as a sophomore.
Then he commitsed Arizona with Jeed Fisher, he leaves, he
decommits when Jeded gets a job, and he follows them
to Washington. Right, So they're saying coaches can leave whenever
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they want. Why can't kids, Right, So I think there
might be the way it might go is there might
be some type of buyout, right, like, Okay, you're gonna
be able to leave, but we should try to get
some type of you know, compensation for you decmting and
leaving us with the bag in our hands. Right, Because
Washington did miss out on quarterbacks, right, they did lock
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him in.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
So it is.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
It's a very weird and tough spot. And I'm sure
if he wanted to push, he could have probably won.
He would just look like a really bad person through
it all. And I think someone was in his ear,
probably saying, hey, let's just let's just stick it out
of Washington and figure it out. Four million dollars there's
a lot of money, and you still have another year
next year to hit the portal. He's only he's only
gonna be in a sophomore season this year.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Yes, And I think you're right. I think he would
have been scrutinized by the public, and it was just
it was. It really wasn't a good look. He had
every right like he could have. In fact, there was
a kid at Miami where was he he unenrolled and
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then just enroll to Miami and I think it was
Wisconsin and they're they're fighting over tampering rolls.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
So like this is.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Because of the Wild West. There's all kinds of tampering
going on. So like this is what's crazy, and this
is where there needs to be some rules. Like imagine
if the NFL everybody was a free agent every year,
and that if I was, I don't know the Raiders,
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and I go to and I'm Brady, and I go
to a name any quarterback, right, I go to Mahomes,
I go to Allen, I go to Tremor Lawrence. Hey
we want you, all right, so you know, we go
to the portal, right, like go to free agency like
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it's it's it's wild, it's bananas, because that's basically what happened.
They do a deal and then all of a sudden,
Lane Kiffer comes knocking on the door.
Speaker 4 (24:56):
Yeah, six, he was gonna get six at LSU, right, right,
he stayed for four at Washington.
Speaker 5 (25:04):
And yeah, I mean it's it's a crazy system.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
And you can't play the kid because the kid goes,
oh wow, lay, kid's gonna give you two more million
ago that all right?
Speaker 5 (25:13):
Yeah, yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
I think you know, some of these schools of like
Georgia is basically sing a kid because they paid him
out in advance, right, So a lot of these schools
are trying to pay up front.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
So then they once through the transaction and kids take
the money, the contract becomes binding because money exchanged was exchanged.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
So a lot of these schools are trying to frontload it.
But then these kids have too much money, they blow
through it and they're asking for advances on their next thing.
It's it's a crazy system, and we still don't have
a handle on it, and these kids don't know how
to navigate it right, and they're getting bad advice and maybe,
you know, his camp should have shot them a little
bit more. But also, you know, he was he wasn't
like he was the top ten prospect. He was ranked
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two hundred and twenty s in his high school class,
which is still really high. Right, he's the top three
hundred kid, but you know this is on chartered water
for him, and now he's you know, if he was
in the portal, he would have been the number one
quarterback option. Right, So he decided not to the portal
and stick to Washington, which I love, right, being loyal
to these people who give you the opportunity. But two
(26:21):
million dollars a lot of money.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
And yeah, I don't blame the kid. I can't someone.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
If somebody comes to me as a man and says, listen,
I'm going to give you two million more, what are
you going to say? Yeah, I mean seriously, we're going
to say, you know, I mean, that's it's all part.
It's the system that is broken, the idea that there
(26:48):
is free agency, and that's what it is, free free agency.
Speaker 5 (26:53):
And you can get in and out whenever you want, right, it's.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
Free agency twice a year. I mean, it's that's that's
that's insane.
Speaker 5 (27:02):
Yeah, it's wild to think about.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
It's in say that free agency twice a year for everybody.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
Yeah, I mean these contracts are not scholarships, right there,
business agreements with really really weak enforcements. Right, So the
schools want loyalty without having real contractual teeth in the issue.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Right, they're one foot in the past, acting like sis
Boombah for the album Manor.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
Yep, it's and you're you're one hundred percent right, Like
they want the best of both worlds, right, we don't
want to treat them as real employees. We want to
pay them from endorsement thing. People get endorsements all the time, right,
So how do you enforce that?
Speaker 5 (27:45):
Right?
Speaker 4 (27:45):
People, if you violate, you get dropped from endorsement. You
can get out of endorsement deal pretty easily.
Speaker 5 (27:50):
They want to act like they're binding NFL contracts, but
they're not multi year deals. You know, there's a lot
of holes in it.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
So, but they want the best of both worlds of
the schools, and they want loyalty, which I under I understand, like, hey,
especially when you find diamonds and bruff and you believe
in kids and give them that opportunity, I feel like
something should be reciprocated.
Speaker 5 (28:09):
But it's also just a really weird place to try.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
To hold hold the line on as well, And I
feel it's tough for these again, their kids nineteen twenty
twenty one, well.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
And then and the other issues.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Now you got these agents, and you know anybody can
do be an NIL agent, you know.
Speaker 5 (28:27):
Yeah, there's No, there's no.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
Processes you have to go through to be recognized as
an NIL agent, you know.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
So some kids get their boys and go think of listen, man,
I want to wrep you it.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
We'll keep you trying to replicate Lebron, right, Yeah, which
makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 5 (28:46):
But they don't have they don't have the business savvy.
They don't understand the contracts.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
Of it were peace saw the I mean, you know
these agencies are you.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Know, full service. They don't, you know, they understand how
to navig eights the stuff. So that's the that's that's
another rature.
Speaker 5 (29:06):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (29:07):
I'm curious to see how the contracts evolve because they're
going to have to. I'm hoping Congress gets involved sooner
rather than later. But in this meantime, until there's hard
legislation on it, the contracts are going to continue to
evolve with certain language and I'm and I'm interested to
see what that looks like.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Yeah, it's wild, man, it really is. It's just crazier
and crazier. Every every week we say this and then
something story happens.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
I know, we want to build out guests. They keep
giving us so much information to talk about. We could
talk about this for two three hours a week.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
You know, they're not stopping right now, It's it's insane.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Now I have this clip and I'm going to I
almost have to paraphrase it because I want We're gonna
have enough time to play it, but I really want
to talk about it. So we discussed Congress diving into
youth sports. Right. Look, there was a committee that's looking
(30:11):
at private equity in youth sports and the cost of
youth sports and kind of where it's at. So, you know,
run off the bat, they make the case and listen.
Everybody's right, But I got one beef with the whole
thing that right away. Everybody blames the parents, all right,
(30:38):
everybody blames the parents. Well, do you know that there
was a poll among parents and forty nine percent of
parents believe that their child is it Division one or
is it scholarship not Division one? A scholarship athlete and college.
(30:59):
And there's only two percent of athletes that are scholarship athletes.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
It's not no spots, right, but forty nine percent believe
their kid.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
So and it's like, oh, the parents have stars in
their eyes, and the parents allowed us.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
To happen and blah blah blah blah blah. Okay, so
here's my beef. My kid goes, I love sports, I love.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Playing sports, and you know, mommy, daddy, I want to
be a baseball player.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
I want to be a football player, all right.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Now, barring there's a segment of people that are just
completely delusional, but I believe, for the most part, parents
have like legitimate you know, all right, you know little
Johnny wants to be a baseball player.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
All right.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Well, first of all, it's impossible to look at your
kid at eight years old or ten years old and
trust the kids' dreams.
Speaker 5 (32:01):
They want to get on that opportunity, right.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
That's it. I don't know what.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
I can't tell you right now. I can't tell you
right now my kids are dude, every shot.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
I don't know, maybe right, but.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
It's hard to look at children and project them. You
look at Trinidad, all right, who comes from nowhere, from
Division two to be the best player at college football
or second best player behind Middoza, Like, yeah, he developed
(32:36):
late at you know, twenty years twenty two years old.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
Yeah, and he's given an opportunity, right, And that's what
the parents want to do. They want to give their
kids opportunities, so you don't want to, you know, fault
them for that. And again it's like and when you
get the opportunity, look what's happening right then on the
biggest stage.
Speaker 5 (32:53):
So you know that's that's that's a parent. What are
they going to do, especially at a young age. You
want to give every every opportunity, see right.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
And the issue is not with the parent. Well, we're
the parents create this. The parents create that. I want
to go further because I need to stick up for
the parents out there. It bugs me because we're the
ones getting ranked through the calls financially. So let's put
a pin on that. We'll come right back. Project Nil
(33:24):
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Jeff Schwartz is going to be upset. Mister you know
(34:04):
Captain quack Danny Day, Mister Oregon is going to be upset.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
They got beat down. I was an old school beat down,
it really was. I didn't see that coming. I mean
I thought Indiana was gonna win. I didn't see that. No,
I mean Oregon. Oregon looked great. I mean shutting teams
out in the playoff, I mean they look great. They
got fifty five hung on their head and it could
have been seventy.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
Yeah, it could be easily like they just they could
have just kept scoring and scored.
Speaker 5 (34:36):
Scoring fifty peop nugget in the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
Is crazy insane. It's a absolutely insane.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
So let's get back to the blaming the parent, because
private equity comes into youth sports.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
All right, As I look, and it is five forty
eight am.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
In the in the east, I'm watching my wife get
ready to take my son to practice.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
All right, so my house is run by youth sports.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
Every night we have some you're out, you're on to
move twenty four to seven over there, household.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
But the two boys, Right, here's the thing.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Let's I go back to the baseball, because baseball is
probably of all the youth sports. I'm sure soccer is
like this too, but the travel and baseball expense is
most than anything. Right, how do you tell your kid, well, no,
(35:44):
you know you don't have to be you know Mike Trout.
But how do you tell them, no, you know what,
you're not going to play baseball. Little league stinks. So
you can't even like lean into the little league because
little league is is not good. It's not a good price.
Your kid's never going to get any better. Just if
(36:07):
you want to play high school ball, so you got
you're you're forced to play travel. They brought up hockey
like there's these private equity groups, especially in Canada that
run hockey that have to they force the parents and
to sign it up for their streaming services or they
run all the tournaments and yet they want to.
Speaker 5 (36:29):
Play in the parent it's out of control. It's out
of control.
Speaker 4 (36:32):
You want to give your kids opportunities to grow and develop,
but that comes with a massive price tag these days,
and it's it's not fair for you know, the working
class people, I mean for everybody, right, but especially those
parents that are trying to give their kids opportunities and
trying to let them, you know, develop and follow their passion,
but it comes with a couple thousand dollars price tag
(36:52):
each season.
Speaker 5 (36:54):
Yeah, minimal, Yeah, without the equipment or anything else.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
Freaking bats are four dollars and you know, and then
the kids dies, They dow bad every every three months.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
You know, at least they want that's that's what they want.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
But it's the point of how if your kid wants
to play A guy just gonna use baseball as example.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
But it's like this with all sports. Your kid wants
to play.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
Baseball, he's twelve, he's got to play travel If he
wants to play all high school, you gotta play travel ball.
Speaker 5 (37:37):
Oh for sure. You gotta give him, you gotta get
him out there.
Speaker 4 (37:39):
Because again, these youth programs and these local communities have
taken a dip, and a lot of it's because these
big money is in it and people have stepped in
and created a better product and a better platform. I
wish that at you know, at the little league level
or the city recreational level, we were able to produce
that seven.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
Your father, right, development parks and wreck for filling out
for you for years.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
Yeah right, Like that's where it used to be.
Speaker 5 (38:05):
They were the best leagues.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
That's where it was.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
It was in parks and rec and it was community
and it was Little League and all the stuff. But
it changed and now I coached this stuff. You can't
Little League. It's a waste of time.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
It's a shame. But it's a waste of time because
you got disparity.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
The only thing that matters with Little League are the
all star teams and those tournaments. Yeah, but it's a
waste of time because you got after kids are good
and half the kids don't even belong. It's a shame
because those kids who don't belong never really get a
chance to play and develop.
Speaker 4 (38:46):
Yeah, and I think it's more of a development thing.
It's like investing in that developmental stage.
Speaker 5 (38:52):
For even the kids that might not belong.
Speaker 4 (38:53):
But having that, you know, having the numbers right so
you can have different tiers right, but also right sizing
on the development and having you know people in there.
And again it's you need volunteer. I mean, look, you
you volunteer. You're coaching your son's team. You have knowledge, right,
you're doing these different zones and you're helping out, but
there's not enough. And it's really it's trickling down and
(39:15):
it's and it's pushing to this really spend culture to.
Speaker 5 (39:20):
Have your kids have these opportunities at the young age.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
But you know what the problem is, did to Like
I coached Little league too, right, so I coach all
of the basketball, football, and baseball. I see, like, you
got kids at ten that can't play in the infield
because they're gonna get hurt.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
Yeah, right, Like like you would, I feel bad.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
I like, like, you know, son, I know you want
to play third, but you got to play in the airtfield, right,
just for your own safety. Kids not good gets hit
in the line drive God forbid, like you've seen the's scares.
Speaker 5 (39:56):
Yeah, and so I don't know what you do.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
And private equity just leeds American families.
Speaker 4 (40:07):
Yeah, I mean they see the money in it right
to We saw talked about all weeks ago. It's a
forty billion dollar industry right now.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
Yeah, Yeah, it's it's wild. We'll dive into into a
lot in the future, a lot more stuff. But do
we're winding down. You want to reach us, Danny? How
did they reach you? Yeah?
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Speaker 6 (40:35):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Stay tuned, fellas. I'll be up with Jeff Schwartz next.
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
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into all things uh name image likeness from college.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Down to youth sports.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
And uh, Danny, we saw something pretty spectacular last night.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
This Indiana team we knew was good, but we I
don't think we thought they were epically good.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
That was that was that was so impressive, man. I
mean they just from the rip, I mean first played
a game pick sick. I mean they they played a
flawless game. And everything people keep saying is like Signetty did.
Speaker 5 (01:08):
His team just don't make mistakes.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
And you know, it's it's so cool to see a coach,
you know, blossom late, you know, or get recognition late
where he comes into Indiana at you know, he's sixty
five years old, sixty four years old, gets his you know,
a big break late after a couple of years of
JMU and being a coordinator and you know Division two coach.
I mean it's really cool to see his.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Father, right at the level. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (01:35):
Yeah, and he came out from the beginning, he said,
google me I win.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Right. I mean, he's such a great story.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
But you know what's funny, Indiana plays exactly into what
we talk about.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
You know, one of the they are, you know, perfectly coached.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
He's a great, great coach, but he's also unlocked a
formula to win in this landscape, and that is the
average age of Indiana is twenty three years old.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
And I don't know.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
About you, but watching the game last night, it was
to me the difference between watching an NFL team versus
a college team. And I don't mean by talent, I
mean by age, right, Like if you watch Indiana play,
they play smart. They're just grunts, flawless, right. And I know, look,
(02:35):
I know the five stars, all the five stars that
Oregan has, but they're young, like Dante Moore. I think
you know you and I were together yesterday and I
brought this up about Dante Moore that you know, I
like him a lot, but I could see him making
a mistake and boom, first played the game.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
You know here he is trowing to pick six. He's
twenty years old.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
And then you got the kid you know, getting in
the way, calls it a farm ball. You know, you're
stuck in the seven. The game gets crazy now out
of hand. But there's a lot of youthful mistakes that
Oregon made compared to like a man's team like Indiana.
You know, if you take Dante Moore at twenty and
(03:19):
I don't know what Oregon his average age is, but
you know, saints around there like that, two to three
years makes a big difference.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
One hundred.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
It's it's just experience, right, they live through it again
they might and he really does have the formula. He
doesn't get the five stars. He's living in the portal.
He's getting guys that have been tested, that understand you know, uh,
this big picture and understand discipline and you know, you
know they're they're just battle tested. And then that makes
(03:50):
such a difference, especially in these big games right where
you know, and don't get me wrong Indiana's does you know,
they do take some incoming freshmen right there, But to
have an average age of twenty three, most people are
graduating college by twenty three, right, that's the average age
of the entire team, So that means they have to
sprinkle in twenty four to twenty five year olds in Miami.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
He's got a kid that should be senior in high school.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
Yeah, I mean he started at Miami at seventeen this year,
Tony Yeah, yep, yep, you know he was. He was
supposed to be out there with Daja Bell. Imagine that,
DFL DPL.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Oh my god, that's crazy. He was.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
They were at American Heritage together the previous year and
they were supposed to have their senior year together and
he decided too early.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Wow, that was the hawk up.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Ufl of course is one of the top quarterback prospects
in the country. He's going to Texas. For those who
don't know, Yeah, that's that's wild. That's completely wild. But
it goes back to kind of what this whole landscape
back is about, really, what today's show is about, because
of the two big stories evolving the quarterbacks this week
(05:00):
treated that Chamdlis who gets denied a sixth year by
the NCAA and by the nc double A, and Demon
Williams who was threatened with a lawsuit after going into
the portal in Washington and then returns because he's being threatened.
(05:22):
You know when you're twenty, you know when you look
at what Indiana is doing. It it works. I mean
it's today, and you know, Signetti is an incredible coach,
but that flaw in the system, or I mean that
he exploited the system by having, you know, like an
NFL light team like they play. Indiana does way more
(05:45):
NFL like than college. Great if that makes sense, because like,
look at how they play defense, look at how they
block like you know, its signetty. He plays right in
to it. They have it, they get the turnover, it's
first of gop to four. They don't get cute. They're
(06:07):
not running out a shotgun. He's not throwing the ball.
It's three straight runs and you get into the end zone.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
He doesn't do that game. He's not a big gimmick guy. Right,
he plays football. He plays straight forward and again, everyone
has a job. You know, it's that Belichick philosophy. Everyone
is locked in, everyone has a job, everyone's responsible for something,
and he holds people to that standard.
Speaker 5 (06:32):
And he's not trying to you know, spice up the game.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
He's he's being straightforward with it and it's paying off.
And again, it's easier to do that to keep people
locked in when you're more mature. And that's just he's
figured out a great formula. And I mean they just
beat Oregon in Alabama and they were up thirty five
points in both games.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
I mean that's crazy. I mean that's absolutely great.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
I mean dead organ tee again, turnovers, dieting, man, they know,
but they worn't with they they went scored the twenty
two points. They scored fifteen in the second half, like
they weren't doing that. They weren't scoring. No, if this
was a full game, they would have finished seven with
(07:20):
a touchdown.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Like Indiana's defense locked in the way they locked in
on Alabama.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
They just shut them down.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
Yeah, and I think Mendoza probably locked himself in that
first overall pick. I mean he threw one hundred and
seventy seven yards. We had five touchdowns.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
By the way, he could have thrown for three hundred
if they wanted to throw. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
So him and more obviously have been the one two
that everyone's been talking about. But you know, head to
head and under the biggest lights, that's a pretty big
statement for him. And you know, again he's an older guy,
bounced around, you know, was that the schools you know?
And ended up here through the portal and you know,
just again, I think Signetti figured out this game a
(08:00):
little faster than everybody else. Yeah, big time, big time,
And that's a credit to him. I mean, it's he
kind of simplified it. He just said, I'm gonna get
proven guys. I'm not gonna go after these crazy high
profile guys, and you know, I'm gonna lock in with
experienced guys.
Speaker 5 (08:19):
That might have been you know, really solid role players
for a while.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
And we're gonna bring them back and we're gonna, you know,
we're gonna lock in and we're gonna get fifty years
and we're gonna, you know, get guys that have been
through been through the battles before.
Speaker 5 (08:31):
And it's really showing right now.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Yeah, it's I mean, and he I mean, it's we know,
a great story, but you don't think about it though.
Who jumped to it on board this week within the
Anna Mark Cuban.
Speaker 5 (08:47):
Yeah, man, that's gonna be big time.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
I mean, I don't know the official numbers, but I'm
sure he's giving a nice big gift over some years
to really help their collective or to help the school offsets.
Speaker 5 (09:00):
I'm of the you know, that twenty million.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
If I had to guess, it would probably be going
to the collective because I'm pretty sure Indiana is probably
is good with spending that twenty But yeah, I mean,
it's great to see Indiana football at this level.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Right.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
I never thought i'd see it, Right, they were more
of a basketball school, and yeah, to kind of get.
Speaker 5 (09:19):
Into this football light is really cool to see.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
And uh yeah, man, it's it's good to see someone
new at the top. And the Big Ten is looking
like the Power Conference now the SEC they got boat
raced in this playoff.
Speaker 5 (09:32):
Man, I mean, I know they're historically the power but
it looks like that power shift to the Big Ten.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
And then even acc is you know, usually frowned upon.
I mean, Miami is looking great and they had a
couple of losses in conference, so it's.
Speaker 5 (09:45):
Really cool to see.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
It's a lot of that's one of the for me,
that's no, I'm sorry, go ahead now. For me, the
parody is one of the positives.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Of the board. Right.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
There's a lot of negatives we talk about and a
lot of uncertainty, but parody and it to see these
different teams coming up is a positive.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
So you know, it's funny because I look at that
game and I see another blowout.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Yeah, I mean I know.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
I think the number is seven and a half. They're
first and nothing. That thing will be up to ten
and no time. I can't imagine. I don't see Miami,
even though it's at home. I just don't see them.
I don't see that team staying close because they can match,
(10:38):
they can match, they can match them and everything they do.
Indiana's defense is just as good from you know, all
three levels. I know Miami's front is the best unit,
but if you put all three levels, you know Indiana
is better or as good, and Indiana has got a
(11:01):
better chance at navigating that defense.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Then I think.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Miami's offense because they'll stop the run. They're gonna stop,
They'll the Fletcher's not gonna go run wild on them.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
Well that was I was just gonna say.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
It depends if Miami's only hope is if they can
continue to establish the run, because they're gonna have to
rely on cars and back against that defense, they're gonna
be for a long night, right, So if their only
hope to keeping this game close and having a chance
is really being able to dominate the run and keep
managing the clock and keeping the ball out of you know,
keeping out of Mendoz's hands, and hopefully they have that opportunity.
Speaker 5 (11:36):
But that's the only way I see them really competing
in a high level in this game.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Yeah, I uh no, I feel you. I just think
they'll they're gonna be able to stop it.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
But let's set up kind of the team of the
show today with these what we saw this week.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
There was a ruling on Trendingdad chamb Listen, it's a
shame speaking in Miami.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
That old Miss game was fabulous.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
That fourth quarter was just an epic fourth quarter, one
of the best quarters that we've seen.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
Up and down, back and forth.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
They went after each other, and so Triggerdad Chamberlis wants
to stay in college. He's a late bloomer, so he
petitions the NCUBLEA for the sixth year because he spent
the bulk of his career in Division two, didn't get
a chance and he's a late bloomer.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Well, he gets.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Denied, which really upsets me that this toothless entity that
is suddenly the NC double A coming in and denying
this kid another year when they've granted kids sixty years
all over the place.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
Yeah, and just for the listeners who might not know that,
into the weeds of this situation, he played Division two football.
Speaker 5 (12:55):
He read shirt his freshman year, very very common.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
His sophomore year, he had some medical issues, right, They
said he had something with his tonsils, he had a
hard palpitation. However, they didn't really document it very well
at the Division two level, right, No one's looking down
at those Division two Yes, agreed, because it's a smaller school.
They weren't thinking long term that that wasn't in their mindset,
so they didn't really document it to the level that
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they should have at the time. Now, the n stay
petition for the NCAA to get this extra year of eligibility.
He's played three years, right, so technically he's played three
He's played three seasons over five years. They've given extra
years of eligibility all the time. But they're falling back
on the denial for documentation, saying that the school did
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not document it properly and there was not enough medical
information from the time, and that falls on the school. Right,
he was seeing the school doctors. He wasn't going to
outside doctors.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
So, right, this wasn't some you know, elite, you know
prospect that gets the top carrier whose agentsoul getting them.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
Yeah, he's at Farrish State, right, He's at a smaller
school where they don't have, you know, all these resources.
Speaker 5 (14:06):
And that's what the NCUBLEA has fallen back on.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
They're saying that they're denying it for lack of documentation
at Farris State. They're still going to peel right, they
have lawyers involved. It's still not dead, but it's not.
It's not a good start for him, and I don't
know how he gets it flipped. He's don't have to
have a judge probably file an injunction against the nc DOUBLEA.
(14:29):
But yeah, I mean it's crazy. He's a late bloomer
kids playing his tail off.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
Now.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
Look he's he's slotted to be a third to fourth
round pick. But for those people out there that don't know,
he signed a five million dollar deal with Old Miss
to come back as a third round pick. Let's say
highest scenario. I saw him ranked in the eighties. It's
a six million dollar contract over four years. He makee
five and one year in college. Just think about that.
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One year at Old Miss is five million dollars.
Speaker 5 (14:59):
If he was going in his eligibility for next year.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
If he's drafted in a third round, which is like
best case scenario is what I'm reading, he'd make six
million over four years.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
So it's a big thing.
Speaker 5 (15:13):
It's life changing for him, right.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
It's life changing. And here's my beef.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
It's that the NC double A, which has been this
toothless they've they've they've presided over anarchy, like it's presided
over adarchy during the NC double a's watch, we've seen
this thing just go banandis right chaos.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
Now all of a sudden, you're gonna come in and flex.
Speaker 5 (15:45):
Yeah, And we talk about it.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
It's like they were in this limbos like we want
to treat them like professionals, but we also then want
to fall back on this amateur logic when it funny.
Speaker 5 (15:56):
Sees fit for us. Right, And that's the biggest thing
is the inconsistency of it all.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
They basically said, hey, we're stepping away, We're gonna let
it be a while west until Congress steps in, and
then there's situations like this and they're like, well, there's
documentation flaws from Farris State. So the inconsistency is my
biggest is beef with it is, because you know, you
can't be all over the place with it. If you're
gonna let it be open, let it be open, right,
And you're penalizing a kid for for.
Speaker 5 (16:22):
Farris State, for a school not doing what they're part
right and.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
The school, I mean, let's face it, come on, it's
Farris State. It's it's not Michigan.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
And not to mention there's people way older than them.
It's not like he's thirty years old. No, you know,
if there was an age thing, right, it's like what's
the number then? Right, right, Like he's twenty two. I
think he's twenty three years old. He's not twenty six.
There's twenty six, twenty seven year old still playing in college.
So of course, just because they might have documented or
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took a different route where they didn't start their eligibility clock,
it's my problem with that is inconsistency. And I really
hope that he does win an appeal because I would
love to see him back out there, and I would
love for him to have the opportunity to you know,
capitalize on this you know potential.
Speaker 5 (17:11):
And his late blooming. You know, it's just she should
be penalized for that.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
No, No, and it really kind of it just bothers me.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
I like, it feels like he's being penalized because he's
a late bloomer.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
I mean, you know, the first two years of watch
red shirt, you get second year the health stuff.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
You know, you're you're at a Division two.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
You come in here and you only come in because
and you only get a chance because the starter gets hurt.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
Yeah, I mean and again like in this nil or
like he's brought in a billion dollars for old miss right,
he's signed to the three hundred grand right to come
from Ferris State. He is not capitalized on this at no,
you know, not nearly of these other guys, like my
thing is like he hasn't. It's not like he's milk
this thing dry. This guy is one of the best
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players in college football and his create generated millions, if
not billions of dollars for NT.
Speaker 5 (18:10):
Double A in his school, and he's not been able
to reap the rewards of it.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
Curious is it for me?
Speaker 2 (18:18):
You're dead right, and I'm curious what to judge, how
the legal what's going to happen.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
And we'll get into it.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Also, Demon Williams, who's being who is threatened with a
lawsuit about leaving Washington. We'll get to that coming up next. Also,
we talked about Congress discussing youth sports. We have a
clip of which is very powerful. But we're gonna play
(18:47):
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Speaker 3 (20:10):
Uh So, let's discuss DeMont Williams. Now.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
So there's another crazy story that DeMont Williams is at
Washington like he's one of the the highly recruited, highly prospect,
highly paid prospects a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
So he does a deal for four million dollars at Washington.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
He then shortly thereafter says, oh, wait, I want to
go to the portal, and it appeared that LSU was
looking at Williams that he was going to go to LSU. Well,
Washington goes been at us because they just did a
deal with him. So then they go through all the loopholes. Well,
(21:00):
you didn't go into the portal.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
You didn't. You didn't your paperwork for the portal. They
refused to put his name in the portal.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Not meanwhile, he could have just unenrolled at Washington and
then enrolled at LSU. But Washington went through the contract
and they were they threatened a lawsuit.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
Not meanwhile.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
It was kind of a not a good look because
a soccer player had passed and there was a vigil
and he announced it during that and it was just
kind of kind of just not a good thing.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
For the kid. But beyond it all, there's an agent switch.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
We we make these kids pros basically, but then we
would to enforce a contract that's unenforceable.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
Acquit a law. Yeah, I mean we loosely, they're loose
the country up, Sorry, go ahead, No.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
We pretenders they're endorsements, right, They're probably getting paid from
the collective right, which is an endorsement based namage and likeness. Right,
But then we want to say they're employees, but they
don't get four oh one case, they don't get you know,
health benefits. So it's a really weird spot to be
in because we offer these contracts and then we want
them to hold them binding, right, But there's a lot
(22:23):
of things that don't go into it. And he's a
twenty year old kid, right. He played one year and
people were in a little bit of outrage. They said,
like he initially was committed to a well he in
twenty two he committed the Old Miss as a sophomore.
Then he commitsed Arizona with Jeed Fisher, he leaves, he
decommits when Jeded gets a job, and he follows them
to Washington. Right, So they're saying coaches can leave whenever
(22:46):
they want. Why can't kids, Right, So I think there
might be the way it might go is there might
be some type of buyout, right, like, Okay, you're gonna
be able to leave, but we should try to get
some type of you know, compensation for you decmting and
leaving us with the bag in our hands. Right, Because
Washington did miss out on quarterbacks, right, they did lock
(23:06):
him in.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
So it is.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
It's a very weird and tough spot. And I'm sure
if he wanted to push, he could have probably won.
He would just look like a really bad person through
it all. And I think someone was in his ear,
probably saying, hey, let's just let's just stick it out
of Washington and figure it out. Four million dollars there's
a lot of money, and you still have another year
next year to hit the portal. He's only he's only
gonna be in a sophomore season this year.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Yes, And I think you're right. I think he would
have been scrutinized by the public, and it was just
it was. It really wasn't a good look. He had
every right like he could have. In fact, there was
a kid at Miami where was he he unenrolled and
(23:51):
then just enroll to Miami and I think it was
Wisconsin and they're they're fighting over tampering rolls.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
So like this is.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Because of the Wild West. There's all kinds of tampering
going on. So like this is what's crazy, and this
is where there needs to be some rules. Like imagine
if the NFL everybody was a free agent every year,
and that if I was, I don't know the Raiders,
(24:25):
and I go to and I'm Brady, and I go
to a name any quarterback, right, I go to Mahomes,
I go to Allen, I go to Tremor Lawrence. Hey
we want you, all right, so you know, we go
to the portal, right, like go to free agency like
(24:45):
it's it's it's wild, it's bananas, because that's basically what happened.
They do a deal and then all of a sudden,
Lane Kiffer comes knocking on the door.
Speaker 4 (24:56):
Yeah, six, he was gonna get six at LSU, right, right,
he stayed for four at Washington.
Speaker 5 (25:04):
And yeah, I mean it's it's a crazy system.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
And you can't play the kid because the kid goes,
oh wow, lay, kid's gonna give you two more million
ago that all right?
Speaker 5 (25:13):
Yeah, yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 4 (25:16):
I think you know, some of these schools of like
Georgia is basically sing a kid because they paid him
out in advance, right, So a lot of these schools
are trying to pay up front.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
So then they once through the transaction and kids take
the money, the contract becomes binding because money exchanged was exchanged.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
So a lot of these schools are trying to frontload it.
But then these kids have too much money, they blow
through it and they're asking for advances on their next thing.
It's it's a crazy system, and we still don't have
a handle on it, and these kids don't know how
to navigate it right, and they're getting bad advice and maybe,
you know, his camp should have shot them a little
bit more. But also, you know, he was he wasn't
like he was the top ten prospect. He was ranked
(25:59):
two hundred and twenty s in his high school class,
which is still really high. Right, he's the top three
hundred kid, but you know this is on chartered water
for him, and now he's you know, if he was
in the portal, he would have been the number one
quarterback option. Right, So he decided not to the portal
and stick to Washington, which I love, right, being loyal
to these people who give you the opportunity. But two
(26:21):
million dollars a lot of money.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
And yeah, I don't blame the kid. I can't someone.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
If somebody comes to me as a man and says, listen,
I'm going to give you two million more, what are
you going to say? Yeah, I mean seriously, we're going
to say, you know, I mean, that's it's all part.
It's the system that is broken, the idea that there
(26:48):
is free agency, and that's what it is, free free agency.
Speaker 5 (26:53):
And you can get in and out whenever you want, right, it's.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
Free agency twice a year. I mean, it's that's that's
that's insane.
Speaker 5 (27:02):
Yeah, it's wild to think about.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
It's in say that free agency twice a year for everybody.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
Yeah, I mean these contracts are not scholarships, right there,
business agreements with really really weak enforcements. Right, So the
schools want loyalty without having real contractual teeth in the issue.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Right, they're one foot in the past, acting like sis
Boombah for the album Manor.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
Yep, it's and you're you're one hundred percent right, Like
they want the best of both worlds, right, we don't
want to treat them as real employees. We want to
pay them from endorsement thing. People get endorsements all the time, right,
So how do you enforce that?
Speaker 5 (27:45):
Right?
Speaker 4 (27:45):
People, if you violate, you get dropped from endorsement. You
can get out of endorsement deal pretty easily.
Speaker 5 (27:50):
They want to act like they're binding NFL contracts, but
they're not multi year deals. You know, there's a lot
of holes in it.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
So, but they want the best of both worlds of
the schools, and they want loyalty, which I under I understand, like, hey,
especially when you find diamonds and bruff and you believe
in kids and give them that opportunity, I feel like
something should be reciprocated.
Speaker 5 (28:09):
But it's also just a really weird place to try.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
To hold hold the line on as well, And I
feel it's tough for these again, their kids nineteen twenty
twenty one, well.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
And then and the other issues.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Now you got these agents, and you know anybody can
do be an NIL agent, you know.
Speaker 5 (28:27):
Yeah, there's No, there's no.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
Processes you have to go through to be recognized as
an NIL agent, you know.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
So some kids get their boys and go think of listen, man,
I want to wrep you it.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
We'll keep you trying to replicate Lebron, right, Yeah, which
makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 5 (28:46):
But they don't have they don't have the business savvy.
They don't understand the contracts.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
Of it were peace saw the I mean, you know
these agencies are you.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Know, full service. They don't, you know, they understand how
to navig eights the stuff. So that's the that's that's
another rature.
Speaker 5 (29:06):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (29:07):
I'm curious to see how the contracts evolve because they're
going to have to. I'm hoping Congress gets involved sooner
rather than later. But in this meantime, until there's hard
legislation on it, the contracts are going to continue to
evolve with certain language and I'm and I'm interested to
see what that looks like.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Yeah, it's wild, man, it really is. It's just crazier
and crazier. Every every week we say this and then
something story happens.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
I know, we want to build out guests. They keep
giving us so much information to talk about. We could
talk about this for two three hours a week.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
You know, they're not stopping right now, It's it's insane.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Now I have this clip and I'm going to I
almost have to paraphrase it because I want We're gonna
have enough time to play it, but I really want
to talk about it. So we discussed Congress diving into
youth sports. Right. Look, there was a committee that's looking
(30:11):
at private equity in youth sports and the cost of
youth sports and kind of where it's at. So, you know,
run off the bat, they make the case and listen.
Everybody's right, But I got one beef with the whole
thing that right away. Everybody blames the parents, all right,
(30:38):
everybody blames the parents. Well, do you know that there
was a poll among parents and forty nine percent of
parents believe that their child is it Division one or
is it scholarship not Division one? A scholarship athlete and college.
(30:59):
And there's only two percent of athletes that are scholarship athletes.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
It's not no spots, right, but forty nine percent believe
their kid.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
So and it's like, oh, the parents have stars in
their eyes, and the parents allowed us.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
To happen and blah blah blah blah blah. Okay, so
here's my beef. My kid goes, I love sports, I love.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Playing sports, and you know, mommy, daddy, I want to
be a baseball player.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
I want to be a football player, all right.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Now, barring there's a segment of people that are just
completely delusional, but I believe, for the most part, parents
have like legitimate you know, all right, you know little
Johnny wants to be a baseball player.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
All right.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Well, first of all, it's impossible to look at your
kid at eight years old or ten years old and
trust the kids' dreams.
Speaker 5 (32:01):
They want to get on that opportunity, right.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
That's it. I don't know what.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
I can't tell you right now. I can't tell you
right now my kids are dude, every shot.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
I don't know, maybe right, but.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
It's hard to look at children and project them. You
look at Trinidad, all right, who comes from nowhere, from
Division two to be the best player at college football
or second best player behind Middoza, Like, yeah, he developed
(32:36):
late at you know, twenty years twenty two years old.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
Yeah, and he's given an opportunity, right, And that's what
the parents want to do. They want to give their
kids opportunities, so you don't want to, you know, fault
them for that. And again it's like and when you
get the opportunity, look what's happening right then on the
biggest stage.
Speaker 5 (32:53):
So you know that's that's that's a parent. What are
they going to do, especially at a young age. You
want to give every every opportunity, see right.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
And the issue is not with the parent. Well, we're
the parents create this. The parents create that. I want
to go further because I need to stick up for
the parents out there. It bugs me because we're the
ones getting ranked through the calls financially. So let's put
a pin on that. We'll come right back. Project Nil
(33:24):
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Jeff Schwartz is going to be upset. Mister you know
(34:04):
Captain quack Danny Day, Mister Oregon is going to be upset.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
They got beat down. I was an old school beat down,
it really was. I didn't see that coming. I mean
I thought Indiana was gonna win. I didn't see that. No,
I mean Oregon. Oregon looked great. I mean shutting teams
out in the playoff, I mean they look great. They
got fifty five hung on their head and it could
have been seventy.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
Yeah, it could be easily like they just they could
have just kept scoring and scored.
Speaker 5 (34:36):
Scoring fifty peop nugget in the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
Is crazy insane. It's a absolutely insane.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
So let's get back to the blaming the parent, because
private equity comes into youth sports.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
All right, As I look, and it is five forty
eight am.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
In the in the east, I'm watching my wife get
ready to take my son to practice.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
All right, so my house is run by youth sports.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
Every night we have some you're out, you're on to
move twenty four to seven over there, household.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
But the two boys, Right, here's the thing.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Let's I go back to the baseball, because baseball is
probably of all the youth sports. I'm sure soccer is
like this too, but the travel and baseball expense is
most than anything. Right, how do you tell your kid, well, no,
(35:44):
you know you don't have to be you know Mike Trout.
But how do you tell them, no, you know what,
you're not going to play baseball. Little league stinks. So
you can't even like lean into the little league because
little league is is not good. It's not a good price.
Your kid's never going to get any better. Just if
(36:07):
you want to play high school ball, so you got
you're you're forced to play travel. They brought up hockey
like there's these private equity groups, especially in Canada that
run hockey that have to they force the parents and
to sign it up for their streaming services or they
run all the tournaments and yet they want to.
Speaker 5 (36:29):
Play in the parent it's out of control. It's out
of control.
Speaker 4 (36:32):
You want to give your kids opportunities to grow and develop,
but that comes with a massive price tag these days,
and it's it's not fair for you know, the working
class people, I mean for everybody, right, but especially those
parents that are trying to give their kids opportunities and
trying to let them, you know, develop and follow their passion,
but it comes with a couple thousand dollars price tag
(36:52):
each season.
Speaker 5 (36:54):
Yeah, minimal, Yeah, without the equipment or anything else.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
Freaking bats are four dollars and you know, and then
the kids dies, They dow bad every every three months.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
You know, at least they want that's that's what they want.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
But it's the point of how if your kid wants
to play A guy just gonna use baseball as example.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
But it's like this with all sports. Your kid wants
to play.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
Baseball, he's twelve, he's got to play travel If he
wants to play all high school, you gotta play travel ball.
Speaker 5 (37:37):
Oh for sure. You gotta give him, you gotta get
him out there.
Speaker 4 (37:39):
Because again, these youth programs and these local communities have
taken a dip, and a lot of it's because these
big money is in it and people have stepped in
and created a better product and a better platform. I
wish that at you know, at the little league level
or the city recreational level, we were able to produce
that seven.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
Your father, right, development parks and wreck for filling out
for you for years.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
Yeah right, Like that's where it used to be.
Speaker 5 (38:05):
They were the best leagues.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
That's where it was.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
It was in parks and rec and it was community
and it was Little League and all the stuff. But
it changed and now I coached this stuff. You can't
Little League. It's a waste of time.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
It's a shame. But it's a waste of time because
you got disparity.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
The only thing that matters with Little League are the
all star teams and those tournaments. Yeah, but it's a
waste of time because you got after kids are good
and half the kids don't even belong. It's a shame
because those kids who don't belong never really get a
chance to play and develop.
Speaker 4 (38:46):
Yeah, and I think it's more of a development thing.
It's like investing in that developmental stage.
Speaker 5 (38:52):
For even the kids that might not belong.
Speaker 4 (38:53):
But having that, you know, having the numbers right so
you can have different tiers right, but also right sizing
on the development and having you know people in there.
And again it's you need volunteer. I mean, look, you
you volunteer. You're coaching your son's team. You have knowledge, right,
you're doing these different zones and you're helping out, but
there's not enough. And it's really it's trickling down and
(39:15):
it's and it's pushing to this really spend culture to.
Speaker 5 (39:20):
Have your kids have these opportunities at the young age.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
But you know what the problem is, did to Like
I coached Little league too, right, so I coach all
of the basketball, football, and baseball. I see, like, you
got kids at ten that can't play in the infield
because they're gonna get hurt.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
Yeah, right, Like like you would, I feel bad.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
I like, like, you know, son, I know you want
to play third, but you got to play in the airtfield, right,
just for your own safety. Kids not good gets hit
in the line drive God forbid, like you've seen the's scares.
Speaker 5 (39:56):
Yeah, and so I don't know what you do.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
And private equity just leeds American families.
Speaker 4 (40:07):
Yeah, I mean they see the money in it right
to We saw talked about all weeks ago. It's a
forty billion dollar industry right now.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
Yeah, Yeah, it's it's wild. We'll dive into into a
lot in the future, a lot more stuff. But do
we're winding down. You want to reach us, Danny? How
did they reach you? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (40:24):
You can find me on next Twitter. It's a Daniel
underscore D five to one five.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
Yep, there you go you know me. Add Anthony L.
Garganto on Instagram Anthony Lewis Carganto. That's gonna do for us.
Speaker 6 (40:35):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Stay tuned, fellas. I'll be up with Jeff Schwartz next.
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