Fox Sports Sunday with Hartman and Ohrnberger: 06/07/2020

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on in the world of sports, going to update you
on all the craziness, but his usual people are demanding
a cookie update, and so we do have a cookie update. Um.
Yesterday of course was a huge day. In fact, Mike
Harmon responding yesterday because he was listening to Katino Mobili
on this show, want into great detail on how he

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was going to enjoy his oatmeal raising cookies courtesy of
Denise Um brought in for Rich today. Who's a big
cookie fan? Uh, Denise cookie fan as some oatmeal mcadamien oatmeal,
chocolate chip and oatmeal, by the way, is not an
easy cookie to know. You know where people go wrong? Uh,
And I am a cookie connoisseur is with oatmeal cookies.

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They either completely neglect the texture and they they they
really leave out. You know, you've got to be pretty
heavy handed on the oats, like that's the whole purpose
of an oatmeal cookie. Otherwise you're just making a chocolate
chip cookies. So what I appreciate is the textures there.
The other thing that people mistaken oatmeal cookies. Yes they're

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sweet their cookies, but they're also like that. You can't
go overboard on the sugar just because you're putting oats
in them. You have to allow the natural balance to
occur inside of the cookie. And again from a balance standpoint,
from a baking standpoint, because there is a beautiful golden
light brown underneath each cookie. I mean, she's got the

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timing of this back. People overcook their cookies and it
just a disaster. I've tried to know when to take
a cookie out. I don't know. I don't know how
many cookies I've had. You're gonna have a lot more.
You can take this case with you, by the way,
thank you. I know you'll return it during the week,
I guess, and it will be empty. There will be

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your only crumbs. Yeah, and I'll save Sam and Gavin one.
To be fair, Sam, we took our own. Yeah, you know,
I try to get breakfast, because that's assuming I was
gonna get cookie. I try to Macadamien, not prior to
going on air. I'm going to try the ome with
the tulip. I'll do it on air. Okay, yeah, meow wow. Well,

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I don't know what all right, I'm this morning. By
the way, this this is the whole point of this,
this exercise and in feeding cookies, because we've got we've
got some really tough things to talk about over the
course of the next four hours on this show that
we're going to get into so to just sort of
lighten things up a little bit, a little sunshine in

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your life, something like that. You can taste that. It's
not again, not an easy cookie to make, but it
works it out. Well, huh, what happened to the cookie?
Did you ate the whole thing? To? The hell happened there?
That is unbelievable. Well, I'm glad you're enjoying the cookies
out there. Um, all right, I honestly I don't even

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know where to begin today. We have so many things
we've been talking about over the course of the last
couple of weeks, rich Um. But I think one of
the things we obviously have to focus in on right
now is the NFL response, the commissioner's response uh to
the players calling out the league, saying, we the NFL,
We the NFL need to recognize this, need to recognize this,

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we need to make change. And we saw a commissioner
Goodell put out a video on Friday responding to that
and basically repeating the words that the players demanded that
he say in the first place. And again, this is
all rhetoric, this is all good. We all agree changes
need to be made, but too many times we have

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gone down this path where we say changes have to
be made. In fact, the NFL just went down this
path two years ago, seven years ninety million dollars to
be distributed to social awareness causes players that have some
kind of uh social programs that the the NFL would

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match funds and everything else. All this was laid out
two years ago, and there was a lot of publicity
and the aftermath of the seen taking the knee in
the aftermath of the original Colin Kaepernick situation. Whatever happened
to that. So when we go back to where we
were a couple of years ago, where the NFL said, well, okay,

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we're not just gonna talk the talk, We're gonna walk
to walk. Here's the money. It's gonna be used for
the right reasons. And we're still at this point right now,
where the commissioner two years after they laid out these
programs saying I'm sorry, we wouldn't we're not listening what
you said. You were listening two years ago, that's why
you took action. What happened here, Well, Look, I think

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money solve some problems, but it doesn't solve every problem.
And I think the biggest problem we have as far
as the players who are standing up for the oppression
that especially black people have felt in this country, but
people of color have felt in this country. Have stated
many times. Look, it is emblematic of of progress to

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have corporations speaking up lending a hand uh to the cause.
But it is much more important that they they support
the cause uh from from the standpoint the players were
asking for. You can throw money at certain problems, but
sometimes the words are as important as the actions. So

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the figurehead of the owners in the NFL, the commissioner
of the NFL, the guy who has pledged his allegiance
to the shield for him to sit in his basement
turn on a video camera and say the words that
players have been asking for years. For him to say
was a humongous, monumental step in the right direction. You know. Look,

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because what Colin Kaepernick was doing was taking a knee
to support a cause against police brutality. Uh you know,
criminal justice, Uh issues, Uh you know, the racial the
divide in this country like those those were pretty clear
messages at Jump Street, and I think the NFL had

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a real good opportunity along on Ramp to help him
direct all of the attention to those causes. But they
stead fast, they separated themselves from Colin Kaepernick, and they
allowed the the message to be corrupted. He's standing up

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against or should I should say, he's taking a knee
against the flag. He's taking a knee against anthem. He's
taking a knee against police, he's taking a knee against
the military. They allowed for that to happen. The NFL
has power, and they're they're discriminate with their power. They
can they can use it and wield it however they want.
They did not want to wield it to help the

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cause that Kaepernick was presenting at that time, and as
a result, the message got so fuzzy, and so I
think for the first time in the history of this league,
the ownership at least, I mean, you have to you
have to guarantee that the owners put their heads together
real quick and said, hey, Roger, you need to say
something and supported these players because he wouldn't do that,

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He wouldn't come off half cocked and do that on
his own. And so he did, and I think a
lot out of the players felt it for the first time.
Maybe real change is coming. Well, we have the Drew
Brees situation that now has reached out to his wife, Brittany,
she said, and she wrote a long thing. I won't
read the entire thing, but she said that they have

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received death threats. She goes, until, only until the last
few days, until we experienced the death threats, we experienced
the hate that I realized that these words were speaking
directly to us. And she talked about the fact that we,
as white America, we can feel good about not being racist,
feel good about loving one another as God loves us.

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Uh talk about teaching in our children about Martin Luther
King as white Americans and everything else. She goes, somehow,
as white Americans, we feel like that checks the box
of doing the right thing. Not until this week did
Drew and I realize that is the problem to say
I don't agree with disrespect and flag, I now understand
was also saying I don't understand what the problem them

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really is. I don't understand what you're fighting for, and
I'm not willing to hear you because our preconceived notions
of what the flag means to us. Yeah. I mentioned
the fact that the NBC put out that the flag
means nothing, and then in the same article they talked
about the flag means negative things. The flag has meaning,

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has different meanings for a lot of different people. The
same the flag is meaningless is not true if you're
backing up that that statement, because when I see the flag,
I see this, Well, that's the exact point. In other words,
it's a symbol of our country. So whatever it is
that you see in the flag is what you what
you're understanding, and what's your perception is of what is

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right or wrong in this country. I read the op
ed and here's the thing. If you feel like the
flag has no meaning to you, you you can have
that opinion. If you feel like the flag means years
and years of dedicated service to this country to protect it.
Because you have a family background in the middle terry. Uh.
If you have a folded flag on a shelf somewhere

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commemorating the life of a loved one who you lost,
uh to to support and to to protect our country.
If if you look at the flag and it's represents unity,
you are entitled to all those opinions on Now. If
you look at the flag and you see oppression, If
you look at the flag and you see unrelenting police
brutality targeted at a at a race that you belong to,

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that is your prerogative as well. And so to say
the flag has zero meaning, it's okay, it's accurate to some,
but too many that is not the case. And again
too many, it's a symbol, uh, that that divides us
a little bit from the standpoint of what this country
means to me and has meant to me over the
course of my life is very different because I only

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walk in my shoes, it could be very different from others.
And and what's happened to me over these past ten
eleven days since that disgusting portrayal of human entity in
Minneapolis where George Floyd had his life extinguished under the
knee of an officer. I've I've had my eyes opened.

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We've had discussions with black colleagues. I've had discussions with
with some of my former teammates who are black, and
stories that I didn't know existed in their life have
been brought to my eyes, into my attention for the
first time. And for some they've been repeated to me.
They're just landing a lot differently, And so I think

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that's the experience a lot of people in white America
are feeling today. And on the other side of that,
the hope from these people who have been asking for
help forever, for a long since they've been here, is
please listen, please empathize, please help us make change. And
it feels like there's finally some inertia moving the line

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in that direction. Yeah, I've been hearing some people talking
about black lives matter, and it's like, we're not saying
that black lives and were important. We're just saying it matters.
It just matters, Black lives matter. It's not a profound statement,
it's just a fact. All right. So here we go. Um,
the National Football League, I mean, and oh, that's right.

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We still have a pandemic going on right now. I mean,
we're trying to get the sports calendar, We're trying to
get our lives back. I mean, there's a lot of
different things, but getting back to ownership in the National
Football League. We're hearing the get go Fox Sports Radio studios.
There's the source where change has to be made. How

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many of these NFL owners are really on board? We're
gonna tell you coming up next in the Black and
White Cookie, So you want to get some black and
some white in each BikeE Nothing mention is better than
vanilla and chocolate, and it's still somehow racial harmony and loses.
If people would only look to the cookie, all problems

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will be solved. I love the Cars Good Good. When
they first came out, I was like one of the
very very very very very first people he did. Uh
Rico Kasik just recently passed away Benjamin Orr who was
the lead singer. He also passed away, well Kasey did

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most of the lead singing. But I was one of
those guys. Back in that time, in the height of
the disco era, we were discovering new bands like Cheap
Trick and the Cars and Elvis Costello and then of
course the police suddenly came out, and that was an
interesting era when I was at u c l A. Oh.
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the the fallout of the George Floyd tragedy is hopefully

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going to go in a positive direction. So, for instance,
John Mara and Steve Tish, the owners of the Giants,
had a meeting in order to listen and understand the
issues being discussed and absorbed the thoughts and emotions of
the team's players. So the beginning of this rich is

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really the idea of NFL owners listening. And we we
go back to Bob McNair, the late owner of the
Houston Texas, who made the remark we can't let the
inmates run the jail or run the prison. I believe

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that the inmates run the prison. And I mean, look
if we don't have the quote exactly right. It was
the inmates run the prison, and this set off people understandably,
But it is the idea that there's prevailing thought of
a predominantly white ownership billionaires uh running a league that

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is African American, that there is, as people like to
sometimes say, a slave mentality that you know, and this
is something that the owners are gonna have to change.
There has to be a change in perception about the

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relationship between I'm talking specifically about the NFL because they're
just by far the biggest entity out there. I mean
the NFL when we talk about the combined in this country,
I'm not talking about worldwide, but when we talk about
interest in all the other sports, combined does not match
where the NFL stands. So how how is it? And

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you you played for owners like Bob Kraft, you played
for Dean Spanos, I mean, you've played for some of
these owners. If you were to try to sit down
in this room as a form or NFL player who
interacted with players of color and understand that locker room
and everything else and things you've said on this show,
and they're looking at you like, what can we do? What?

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What what do we need to do? Where does it start? Well,
you know, it starts with having a conversation with every
single person in your organization, top to bottom. And look,
that's you know, ranging on what organization you're talking about,
that's anywhere between say a hundred and fifty and two hundred,

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two hundred fifty employees. I'm talking top to bottom. Talk
to all of them, talk to them about these issues.
You know, this is such a great opportunity because I
think I feel this way. I'll just talk personally because
I don't want to speak for anybody else, but I
think that we all felt like we had to keep

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some sort of professional distance from certain conversations because we're
at work, right Because as much as people look at
this as a game, look, livelihoods depend on NFL game checks.
You know. I I set up my family for the
rest of our lives because I was careful with the
money I earned during my time in the NFL, and

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I certainly didn't want to do anything during my career
to jeopardize that. I wanted to be the best possible player.
I could be the best possible teammate, I could be
the best possible employee, I could be And so there
was always something of a professional distance that I think
I kept from having conversations that went in in my

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mind too far, or I would reveal something um that,
uh that maybe shouldn't be spoken about in the workplace right,
or or that maybe I'd ask a question and it's
a bridge too far, Like I I asked a question
about a particular experience from a black player, and maybe
he doesn't want to talk to me about it, and

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maybe that becomes a problem. You know, it's it's a
this is an eye opening experience. And what what you're
hearing from our black brothers and sisters is please ask
us where we want to tell you our story. So
use this as an opportunity to really touch base with
with people of color. Use this opportunity. It doesn't matter

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if you're an employer and you're speaking to an employee,
where all people we can connect on that level, and
especially now, now is the opportunity. And so that's what
I would do. If I was sitting in the ownership
chair one of the thirty two League League teams, I
would say to myself, all right, we have to one
by one get everybody in my office at some point

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or on a zoom call at some point and have
an open dialogue about this issue that our country faces,
not just us as a team, but our country faces.
And then maybe on the other side of that phone call,
you will be compelled to action because I know, I
know after hearing the stories from countless colleagues, people who
I respect in the sports media industry, teammates who I

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have a reverence for. Larry Fitzgerald Jr. Just wrote a
New York Times piece that broke my heart. I I
it's just happening time and time again, and it's making
change in me personally. So again, use this as an
opportunity to hear those stories and then see if on
the other side you can resist changing the way you

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practice your life on a day to day basis. It
starts in the home. I mean, this is this is
a very basic because I saw with the New York
Giants put out the fact that where does this begin. Well,
it starts in your home, and then it starts in
your communities. Of course, don't don't don't be looking big
picture here. I mean, I mean, we've got a huge

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country and there's a lot of different, you know, regions
in our country. A lot of different mindsets, but it
has to start in a grassroots way. It has to
start first in the home, and then it has to
spread out into your immediate community. This is how things
like this work. Um. I see where the New York
Giants said that they put out a statement. That is

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why we are committed to continue to strengthen the alliances
we have with groups like the very Institutive Justice, the
New York Bronze Shields, the Bronx Defenders, J John J College,
a Criminal Justice Rise, and our local law enforcement agencies
understand and support each other's good work. This is the
other complicated part of this story, and that is the

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support of our men and women that served in our
police force. And what a difficult job that is to
serve communities, to protect us. And I think that's to
serve and protect. I think that is the look a
police officer. Even though we we say the word police,
and that is a noun and it describes the job.

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Policing is different from protecting, you know, Stopping crime is
different from being a guardian. When I speak to my son,
who's turning five this summer, about police officers, I talked
to him about the guardians who protect us. I talked
to him about seeking out help if you need it.
I talked about if anything happens to mom and dad ever,

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you can always dial nine one one. Remember that number
because the police are our friends. That's how I talked
to him. I'm a white man, I'm thirty four years old.
I've never been stopped for something that I wasn't wasn't
supposed to be stopped for. I've never had an unpleasant
uh interaction with a police officer, not once in my life,
even when I was guilty of something. I've never once

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had a difficult interaction because there was there was there
was a civil discourse, even though something was wrong. Right.
I've heard from guys my age who don't look like me,
black teammates, black colleagues, talk about how when they talked

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of their son, they tell them, Look, you're gonna have
a driver's license one day, and we'll wrap it. You'll
you'll remember your driver's license number. You buy heart before
you This way, you don't have to reach for your
while God forbid, they reach for their gun. Keep your
hands on the steering wheel, lower your windows all the
way down, put your keys out of the ignition, onto
the dashboard. Make sure that you answer every question with yes,

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sir and no sir, because we want you to come
home from that traffic stop. Do you understand that? Yes?
Do understand that? That's how serious that conversation goes in
certain black households, because there's a real concern about those
interactions with with people who are supposed to protect and
serve us. Now, again, this isn't I'm not trying to

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indict all police officers. I'm not trying to say that
there aren't great cops. I'm listening to police chiefs across
the country condemn police brutality and say we need to
be the agents of change, we need to honor our badges,
and we need to do better for our communities. And
and that is that's a that that feeling makes you

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want to seeing the praises of the police. You know,
so there there there, there are good people doing that job.
But there are very different conversations going on in households
across America about police depending on what color your skin is.
And that's not good. Well, if you're in New York
and you remember those members of the NYP that ran

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into those buildings in nine eleven to save lives and
sacrifice their own. It's really tough. I mean, this is
this is the part, and this is a lot where
these NFL owners are right now. They want to listen,
they want to make change, but you just can't completely
blanket a certain faction of our society and label everyone

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bad when the fact remains the overwhelming majority are good.
All right, we'll get more on this some of the
other things going on in sports, including the restart of
the NBA. But first we're in the guy Go Fox
Sports Radio Studios. Let's find out what's trending right now.
David gascon so commanding. He is first on the team,

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he's stuck in. Got another cookie? Yeah, you certainly did.
I did. Yeah. Yeah, that was a little thing. Law
enforcement pretty pretty interesting. I mean it's tough. It really
is tough. What you want to respect that we need
law and order. Obviously we can't have an anarchy here,
but you certainly do not want to have the kind

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of police brutality that is well documented. It just it's
it's intolerable and can't happen. Yeah. I had this conversation
with the pops almost every day. I mean, he was
fortunate enough to actually serve under the first black chief
of the l A. P D. And then the second
one he was chief of staff for Bernie Parks. So

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I mean, these were these were tense days, you know,
back obviously two with the l A Riots, the O. J.
Simpson double homicide, the North Hollywood shoot out, obviously the
Michael Jackson stuff. Listen wild times in the nineties and
obviously carried over to two thousand's and here we are now.
So quite a challenge, but obviously open, cooler heads will prevail.

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You gotta start the conversation and you gotta listen, and
that's what's happening right now. Hopefully positive will come from it. Yeah. Absolutely.
I think that's the one drawback that you get right
from social media is everyone just quick on the trigger
to respond or to say something and have a take,
as opposed to listening and reaching out. Um, guys, A
couple of different things. First off, Connor McGregor, he announced

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that he's retiring again. He told the ESPN that he's
lost excitement for the sport and quote he said, the
game just doesn't excite me. And that's that all this
waiting around, there's nothing happening. I'm going through opponent options
and there's nothing really there at the minute. There's nothing
that's exciting for me. Bewhiles, you guys have talked about
earlier today. Former wide receiver for the New England Page
Tree its end in the NFL in general. Rochet Caldwill

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was shot and killed yesterday in Tampa Bay. His mother
confirmed that to TMZ he was just forty one years
of age, is getting ready to take his girl for
not on a date and according to his girl friend,
the former player was ambushed by a couple of people
when he jumped out of the when they jumped out
of the bushes trying to rob him. He was shot
in the leg and chest and died in transport on
the way to the hospital. Former Cincinnati Bengals defensive bat

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Ken Riley died today as well. He was seventy two
years of age, played fifteen seasons with the Bengals at
sixty five career interceptions that ranks fifth all time in
NFL history. IWA strengthened conditioning coach Chris Doyle has been
placed on the administrative leave, penning an independent review. That's
according to head coach Kirk parens Uh and the announce
setting the video that was posted guys. Also Colorado State

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getting back to work as well. Penn State and Ohio
State announced it just yesterday as well with the Rams
will begin voluntary camp workouts tomorrow on campus. Darling back
to you guys. All right, thank you very much, David
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(27:08):
part figuring out which way is easier. Doing his update,
he mentioned about the passing of two former NFL players.
Che Caldwell was murdered in a robbery attempt um I
was in San Diego when the Chargers drafted him. He
also played briefly with the Patriots. Uh you know, just
an unspeakable tragedy situation where shake Calwell Ken Riley passed away.

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Ken Riley is an interesting UH Hall of Fame subject.
Played fifteen years for the Bengals his entire careers, fifth
all time in interceptions and never once was named to
the Pro Bowl, which is which is really one of
the most anomalies of all time. And yet there was
has been a big push for Ken Riley to get

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in the Hall of Fame based on his interception numbers.
He obviously was a great player who played a long time,
but somehow, some way, he never once made a Pro Bowl. Well,
what what's bizarre about that? Is another player who's going
to maybe end up being the second all time in

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rushing before the end of his career, Frank Gore. Yeah,
I mean, rarely celebrated as one of the league's best rushers,
but again piling up career yardage. And and there are
a lot of people who say, well, he'll never be
a Hall of Famer. You know, he's just never been
that special of a player. And and you just have
these guys who will compile stats over a long career,

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and it's just how much you value either the certain
statistical achievement over the course of a career or the
durability to play as long as they did in such
a violent game. Ken Riley just want to add a
note there. And one of the great anomalies in his
final year with the Bengals, his fifteen season, he had
eight interceptions, two touchdowns returned, and was the only time

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even though he was never made a Pro bowler. He
actually made for the only time his career, first team
All Pro and then he retired. Unbelievable. So it really
rust in peace to both of these players and and
obviously on behalf of the Caldwell family. You know what
what a like you put it, what a tragedy, all right,

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So let's let's turn to the NBA for a second here.
So there was exciting news, but it's it's apparent in
the first couple of days of the NBA making a
definitive plan to return to action, there's still a lot
of unanswered questions on how exactly the NBA is going
to pull this off. So if you are living under

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a rock and have not heard as expected, the NBA
approved a twenty two team format for a return and
finish of the NBA season. Sixteen teams are already in
position to make the playoffs when the season was suspended,
and then six additional teams. The reason these six additional

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teams are added is that they're gonna have eight regular
season games. So do the math. You're adding about eighty
eight regular season games before we get to the playoffs,
and that amount to about three million dollars for the NBA.
So once again, money is the driver in this whole thing.
Eventually those games will be played and whoever ends up

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as the nine seed will then have a two game
series against the existing eight seed, and if the nine
seed wins the first game, then there's a second game.
The winner of that game wins, the eight seed only
needs to win a game. But again, the changes in
these uh these eight regular season games could change the

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old dynamic. Who's the eight seeds a nine seed? And
is going to be how they adjudicate standings, it's it's
it's a very complicated issue that they've created for of themselves.
All right, So again money's the driver, and I'm not
gonna blame them. There's a lot of money at stake
here for players and for the owners. Let's get back

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to the dynamics of inviting twenty two teams to this
immense complex, this huge bubble that they're going to be
placed in. From what I understand, each team, each organization
will be allowed thirty five people which would implay include players, coaches,
medical staff, essential front office personnel, whoever they decide to send,
and they're going to be in a essentially a quarantine situation.

(31:33):
There's gonna be testing down over the first couple of weeks.
It's almost assured that there will be people that have
no symptoms that will find out that they have tested
positive for COVID nineteen, and then they have to be
put into further isolation for a couple of more weeks.
You know, I think as we talk about this is
a lot, it's doable. And sitting here with Katino Mobili yesterday,

(31:56):
you know, he reiterated, you have to understand during the season,
we're on the road, we're in hotels. I mean, this
is this is not new when we talk about being
separated from our families. Really we're really separated all season long,
because even when we're at home, we're so caught up
in the season everything else. But do you think for
some not all, Because this is the point I made

(32:16):
with Katino. Maybe he was fine because he could keep
the focus, but it is that it's conceivable there are
gonna be a lot of players that are going to
have a difficult time dealing with separation from their family.
The certain uncertainties, especially when people do test positive for
COVID nineteen, that will make it very difficult to focus

(32:37):
on what it is they have to do on the court. Oh,
there's no question, okay, because you're talking about guys in
some cases who just left college after spending a single
basketball season. You know, guys who are kids, you know.
I mean, look, I'm speaking from somebody's in their mid
thirty standpoint about the person I was, you know, fifteen

(32:58):
years ago. I was a kid. And so if I
was drafted into the n b A and then a
pandemic broke out during my rookie season and I had
an opportunity to travel across the country to finish this
regular season, I might be anxious to explore Florida. You
know what I'm saying. I may be anxious to meet
some people my age out in Orlando. And that's the

(33:23):
biggest issue I think is you can lock down this
bubble and you can try your hardest to contain these guys,
but if there's an ambitious enough attempt to get out
and stay out, you know, and maybe you know so
some oath so to speak, Um, you may have an issue.
And and look, I I'm I'm not anticipating that that's

(33:47):
probably the worst case scenario. Um, But how about like
sort of just a regular occurrence somebody shows up. Um
either they passed the test and it was a false
negative or uh um, they somehow contracted from you know,
a touch place, uh the COVID nineteen virus at some
point during their time in Orlando and before their next test,

(34:11):
they spread it to several people, whether it be on
the court, at practice, amongst team officials, whatever it may be.
And then you have yourself potentially an entire locker room,
or two locker rooms or three locker rooms, have who
have multiple cases on your hand? Do those teams forfeit?
You know, what do you do in that situation? So logistically, Steve,

(34:34):
you're absolutely right. I think the biggest hurdles, uh feel
like they've been cleared, but there's still a gigantic, magnificent
hurdle still ahead. Yeah. You can lay out a plan
on paper and it all sounds good, but to live
it is a whole different story. Where in The Guy
Go Fox Sports Radio Studios, I saw something last night,

(34:55):
late last night that I need to share with our audience.
Coming up next, Steve Harbin Rich Horinburger were coming alive
from The Guy Go, Fox Sports Radio Studios riches up
to U six. I believe six cookies. I mean, we've
we've been here less than an hour. I'm there were
a lot of cookies here, but it's it's dwinning quickly here. Yeah, yeah,

(35:17):
I'm I'm a little embarrassed. I'll admit. You know, I've
been pretty good on a diet lately. And that's okay,
that's okay. It's a cheat day. Lawn moower and I
have just a fresh padagraphs in front of me, and
I am just mowing them down right now. I like
the fact that Sam is eating nothing but cookies since
he left her yesterday. No dinner, just cookies. That's true.

(35:38):
I didn't have much of an appetite last night, but
I did have some of your the cookies, and then
I had just this morning. Makes it kind of a
breakfast exactly. It's and by the way, that as a
morning starter, thank you. I've had three cups of coffee
and I've had six omemeal cookies. It's gonna be an
interesting I've gotta have something to absorb the coffee. Yeah, well, yeah,

(35:58):
that's true. By the way, Sam has invited a friend
of his to join us coming up in our next hour.
That would be Gene or you remember his name, former
Assistant General counselor for Major League Baseball Players Association, Gene Orza.
Be interested to see what he has to say about
a family friend of mine. It's amazing. Well, it's will
be interesting. Let's see what he has to say about

(36:18):
the debacle that apparently is a baseball right now. Um,
I want to stay with the NBA for just a
moment here though, and just talking a little bit. Well,
before we get that, I gotta share this story, okay,
before we get to the NBA. So you know, we're
we've been in the midst of this pandemic now for
three months. And during my on Saturday nights late, uh

(36:44):
might do my television work until midnight. Okay, So when
I get off work, uh, you know, it's Saturday night
in Hollywood, right and normally in the past, I get
off and there's a ton of people on the streets
and you've got restaurants and everything else and clubs and
you know how so you take that shirt a couple
of buttons down and you just go just a strip

(37:05):
And I don't do that anymore. But anyway, so but
over the last couple of months, it's it's been eerie.
I mean, I told you about the one time we're
I literally get on the freeway and I look at
my rear view mirror in the heart of Hollywood, and
I don't see any headlights forever. I'm like, I'm alone
on the freeway on a Saturday night in tumbleweed blowing by.

(37:27):
I mean, it was literally that, it was so eerie,
it was crazy. Well last night, after I left, and
it's about twelve ten, all right, so that well after midnight,
and I have to cross Sunset Boulevard, Hollywood Boulevard around
the country. Those are certainly familiar names to you out there.
And then I have to take a left on the
street called Franklin that takes me onto the freeway to

(37:48):
head back to the house. So as I'm making this
left turn, there is this one restaurant and it has
an outdoor patio area, and of course that there hasn't
been a soul there for the last three month. It's
not one person. So as I make the left turn,
I almost I had to do a double take, like
I I almost hit my brakes for a second, because

(38:09):
at twelve ten, twelve fifteen in the morning, there's there's
only a couple of people they're all wearing masks, socially
distancing from one another. There are a couple of high
top tables that have this has been sterilized. This is
a safe area. Is that what you saw? That is
not what I saw. There is a patio area. I'm
trying to I'm telling you there's there's maybe about because

(38:32):
there's not a huge area, because on the sidewalk area
maybe there's seven or eight tables. There had to be
about forty people. They're all in this patio area twelve
fifteen in the morning. It wasn't at nine o'clock at night.
It wasn't at ten o'clock at night. Twelve fifteen in
the morning. They've all been tested for COVID nineteen, don't

(38:54):
mask anything. People are just packed in there, eating their drinking.
They're having a good time. I'm and I literally almost
stopped because there were no cars on the road. I
was like this one place though, at twelve fifteen in
the morning, had a patio area that honestly is about
the size of the studio that we're sitting in right now.

(39:17):
Imagine about forty people where we're sitting right now. Well,
I know every last one of them responsible Angelino's what
what left there and put themselves into voluntary self isolation,
right for two weeks of course, fourteen days to keep
our most at risk population safe. I don't know, and

(39:38):
also at the same time stimulating our economy. Sounds like
heroes to me, Steve. I mean, we have all these protests,
and we understand that there is a need for protests
in this country for obvious reasons. But when you have Faucci.
By the way, we haven't seen much of Faucci, have
we suddenly that that whole Faucci thing seems to have
been put on the on on the back burners for

(39:59):
a couple of weeks here with all the protests going on.
But he's talking and he's saying that you're looking there.
You know. He reminds me of my pediatrician growing up,
Like he's been losing his voice. That's one of the
problems we've had, you know, just like he's like, yeah,
don't do that, and like that was pretty much the
advice I got my home. Don't go outside unless it's
the protests. That's what we're getting told. Right. Well, he's

(40:21):
he's saying, we have a potential for disaster, all right,
speaking of disaster Baseball. We'll try to make sense of
what Major League Baseball is trying to do. Coming up next,
All right, rolling on on this Sunday, Hartmann and arm
Burger coming alive from the guy called Fox Sports Radio Studios.
Fifteen minutes could save you fift cent or more on
your car insurance. There's a guy got dot com for
a free rate. Quote former Assistant General counselor for Major

(40:45):
League Players Association, Gene Orza, it is gonna be joining us,
coming up here in about fifteen minutes. Get his perspective
on things. By the way, players have now accused Major
League Baseball of quote depriving America baseball games as part
of this money fight set up by the coronavirus pandemic.
And Rob Manford, the Commissioner of Baseball, who, by all accounts,

(41:10):
has been a disaster. I mean, I mean, there's no
sugarcoating Rob Manfred. I'm sure he's well intended, but it
just seems like everything he's done has been the wrong decision.
I mean, it's been one thing after another. Remember, one
of the first things he wanted to address was the
length of baseball games. So his solution for that was well,
let's eliminate the intentional wall well and also mound visits.

(41:32):
Let's cut that down to six. Yeah. So and now,
by the way, if you don't know, we now have
the three better minimum that's gonna be put in. That's
a recipe for disaster. So you have that now. And
then he had the cheating scandal, the deal with with
the Houston Astros, and that app fall out of all that,
and now we can't get back to work. And I

(41:53):
will I will say this though, and I know we're
piling on a little bit here. Heavy is the head
that wears the crown. If you're the president of the
United States, if you're a commissioner of a sports league,
if you're a governor of a state, if you're a
mayor of a city or a town, you are going
to get criticized. It's it comes with the territory. He's
getting well compensated, and and and and again, like that

(42:16):
very reason reason these commissioners are paid the money they
are is there the fall guy lightning rods, lightning runs
because again there's thirty owners who do not want to
conduct that level of electricity exactly. So that's what he's
being paid to do, and believe me, he's getting the heat.
So here's where we are. So remember, the owners proposed

(42:36):
an eighty two games season, not with pro rated salaries,
but a fifty fifty uh split of revenue where whatever
that amount is. And of course that's pure conjecture, all right.
The players countered whether on fourteen game season with pro
rated salaries. That was rejected by Major League Baseball, and

(42:57):
there was no counter offer. And what is expect the
counter offered to be is a forty eight game season
for pro rated salaries. That was, yeah, we'll give you
your pro rated salaries, but not for a hundred fourteen games.
We'll do it for eight. And it's already clear that
if that's the offer that is made by Major League Baseball,

(43:18):
that is gonna be rejected by the players. And that's it.
I mean that there doesn't there is no conversation going
on right now between the owners and the players. The
owners basically hold, if you're gonna have a pro rated agreement,
which they had back in March, then we will determine
how long this season will be, and by our calculation,

(43:40):
we can have forty eight game season. If the players rejected,
there's not gonna be a season. I think the owners,
and this is just my opinion, are running the clock.
This is sort of it sort of feels like when
an offense has a lead at the end of a
football game and they play keep away. You know, you
start running your four minute offense. You start running the

(44:02):
ball a lot, you try to make first downs, you
stay in the huddle until there's about ten seconds left
on the play clock. I don't think you're gonna hear
much about baseball until the clock is taking ever closer
to the point where it really doesn't even seem feasible
to have a season beyond fifty games. And so they
are going to absolutely put the screws to the players

(44:23):
and say, look, sports fans want baseball. We're offering baseball.
We are offering an opportunity to negotiate on health and
safety protocols and standards, and it's going to be to
your liking within reason. We will pay pro rated salaries.
You'll get what you earn per game for forty eight games.
But that's the best we can do. And the clock

(44:44):
is now loudly ticking in the background. Otherwise it will
be your fault players if we don't have baseball, and
they're going to try to sway public opinion. If there
is no baseball, it's because of this greedy union that
is preventing it from new sports fans. So that's what
I think is happening. I'm not sure. I'm excited to

(45:05):
speak with Gene Orza and see if that theory passes
muster with him. But this is quite a spot that
both the players and owners having themselves in right now now.
According to representative for Major League Baseball who wrote to
the players union, we do not have any reason to
believe that a negotiated solution for an eighty two game
season is possible. He did add, however, the commissioners committed

(45:30):
to playing baseball in why I hope he's right. I mean,
you can't. Baseball has got to take a long look
in the mirror of where they are right now and
terms of their impact in our American sports landscape. They're
not the NFL, They're not even the NBA. Major League

(45:56):
Baseball really thrives on an older demographic. I have sons
in Generation Z in their twenties. Baseball is way down
the list, and that's whole generation. So if you shut down,
especially with the resumption of the NBA season, the resumption
of the NHL season, the start of the NFL season.

(46:18):
We keep our fingers cross. We'll see a little college
football boy out of sight, out of mind, And it
doesn't change the dynamic that the current collective bargaining agreement
expires at the end of something that the owners certainly
want to change. They want to cap something they fought
four back in which led to the strike that shut
down the postseason. Then, so this is a complicated situation

(46:40):
that if they don't find some compromise, could be catastrophic,
no doubt. Look, I, I and I this opinion has
been brought to this show many times by me. I've
seen it written by other voices out there. There was
a point where boxing and horse racing in our country

(47:02):
was front page news, not just front of the sports page,
but it was front page news. You know, when you
had an incredible title fight, or you had uh, you know,
nose to nose finish yet the wire uh for a
horse race like these, these were front page news stories.
Those sports have taken a far back seat to the

(47:24):
big three in our country, which is obviously NFL first
and foremost, n b A, and then the Major League Baseball,
but it's falling behind, and it's falling behind drastically, and
it's a result of things like this, this resumption of play.
If it doesn't happen, i should say, the beginning of
this season. If it doesn't happen, it's cutting off your
nose to spite your face. And it's either the players

(47:48):
uh inability to accept what would be a shortened season,
or would be the owner's inability to understand that the
players need a longer season than what they are planning
on presenting to the players. But either way, both sides
need to understand what they're doing to the sport that
has made them fabulously wealthy. So this um. Bruce Meyer,

(48:10):
the Major League Baseball players Association's chief negotiators, says that
he had a conversation with Rob Manfred, and in that conversation,
the commissioners said, according to Meyer, that the league can
pay one of salaries right now and that Major League

(48:33):
Baseball doesn't have liquidity issues. And the fact that that
statement that the league can easily borrow the equivalent of
the proposed deferral is also noteworthy in light of the
league's claims about clubs being buried in debt. This is
why I don't trust the owners when they start talking
about the lack of revenues impacting salaries for players, the

(48:53):
lack of revenue impacting how they have to furlough front
office employees, stop paying minor league players to the tune
of four hundred bucks a week. I mean, look, this
is an embarrassment. These are These are if you count
the assets, billionaires. So if they wanted to float a
season on loans, they absolutely could. They have a pretty

(49:15):
good uh, I mean, and then and then you're not
even talking about the thing about owning a franchise worth
a billion dollars is that you can borrow money. Yeah,
walk into a bank and say, hey, look, I know
this is a lot, this is a big ask, but
this is what we're asking for, and they'll be like,
you own what the Dodgers? Dodgers, So let me talk

(49:36):
to my boss. No, yeah, you're good for it. Okay,
we could get to the cash. Here's the problem though, Also,
the owners haven't dipped into their war chest either. Isn't
there a reason? Look, we all make uh safety nets
in our own accounting. Isn't there a point where during
a pandemic. You say, well, maybe it's time that we
kind of dip into that savings that we kept the

(49:56):
side because we're responsible, uh, and we keep things afloat here. Well,
everybody else in the country is doing that. The owners
can't the owners of these billion dollar franchises can in
Major League Baseball. So of a league that is making
revenues hand over fist higher this year than the last,
than the last, than the last. It just I mean,

(50:17):
we're talking about eleven billion dollars in profits recently. All right,
is it fixable? We're gonna find out. On the other side,
as Iowa Sam who apparently knows everybody it's unbelievable. We're
gonna have on the former Assistant General Counselor for the
Major League Players Association, Gene Or. He's gonna tell us

(50:38):
is this fixable? Coming up? Steve Harvey, Rich Harnburger coming
alive from the Gotta Go Fox Sports Radio studios. We're
gonna hook up with Gene Ors of, the former Assistant
General Counselor for the Major League Players Association and hopefully
find out that there is some way, somehow that we

(50:59):
can bring these it's together. Let me tell you they
have some baseball this season. I would love for a
silver lining on the other side of this conversation, Like
I am so desperate to hear good news, so I
would love that to be if we can are. Our
opening question to Gene is, give us good news, give
us give us the best case scenario here, because it

(51:19):
feels like, because of the pandemic that this this whole
discourse began. Can it be resolved and and and will
it be resolved? And if the answer is yes or
even maybe that's better than no. I've always been curious
about the finances I really have. We have the owner
of the Ricketts, of the Cups talking about the fact

(51:41):
that you have thirty Major League Baseball teams with zero
revenue coming in. There's no games obviously, so there's zero
revenue coming in. And then he says this idea that
we're all sitting on a pile of cash, and he
specifically talked about the fact that and obviously the Cubs
have a lot of revenue coming in. He goes, we

(52:03):
spent it, spend seven fifty million dollars upgrade Wrigley Field
and everything else. We went out and bought players. Taking
a losing franchise and making it a world champion. What
do you think all this money is going to. What's
so bizarre about that statement is as a businessman, which
he is. And the whole Rickett's family is his father

(52:24):
founded TD and Merritrade. Okay, so this is a guy
who was born with some wealth. Uh. It really is
an astonishing thing to say because it feels like it's duplicitous.
All right, so what is the truth? Well, a man
that certainly knows and as many years working in Major
League Baseball, the former assistant General Council for the Major
League Players Association, Gene Orza is Johnny us right now.

(52:47):
By the way, Gina, was great to know that Iowa
Sam is like your best friend. I didn't realize that
Sam has this kind of connection to you. Gene. Uh,
exactly my mentor. I'm about year older than him, but
somehow he became my mentors. It's really unbelievable how that
all worked out. First of all, thank you so much
for joining us today. I guess a very broad question,

(53:09):
but a question that we need to have answered if possible,
is is this flexible? Can we find some common ground
between Major League Baseball and the players Union. Oh, you
would think that that's the case, because I know that
the players want to play. I mean, they've done this
all their lives. This is the principal thing they devoted

(53:30):
themselves to. They didn't get You don't get to be
a major league by you know, playing it on weekends. Um,
playing baseball on the weekend. So I know the players
have a strong desire to play. And I'm sure the
owners due to the owners that they own baseball team
so largely for the ability to say they owned took
baseball teams, and they display the game for for for
people in their community. So both sides want there to

(53:53):
be baseball. The question is whether or not they can
reach a deal in time because the clock is running
at which point, uh, you know, the postseason, which is
really where everybody should keep their eye on. That's where
the clubs desperately want there to be a postseason, even
more so than they do a regular season, whereas the

(54:14):
players probably want the postseason and the regular season with
equal ferva. But WILDNSS clock is running. They're awesome. There
is a unique feature to this negotiation which kind of
compromises or or militates against my my confidence that there
will be a baseball season, and and it hasn't been

(54:34):
written about much, but it is very very different to
conduct the negotiation by zoom then when you run the
same room. Uh. In negotiations that take place some same room,
there are certain kinds of communications with the other side
and even internally among your own people that you can't

(54:54):
make by phone. You know, I walk over to the
place where the corseee and and the and the and
the buttered rolls are and beckoned over to Rob to
come join the wood a cup of coffee when I
really want to mention something to him that he should
say and that to which I will respond. Or I
look down the road at the you know, the row

(55:16):
of an outside of the table, and you know, give
a certain eye roll to somebody who's just about to
say something and saying you don't say that, because that
will just to compromise the ability to reach a deal.
There are all kinds of little things that go on
at the table that are conducive to reaching an agreement.

(55:38):
And so this is really uncharted waters in the sport.
I've ever been involved in the negotiations, so I have
no expertise in it. I don't think anybody out there
does in the in the baseball community on either side
of the labor management nile on the negotiation of which
you are not sitting across the table or at least
face to face with your your at the saries, so

(56:00):
to speak. Uh, and so this is this, This is
a tough negotiation. And I don't think anybody has experienced
the certainly no one has experienced the format of it,
but I don't think anyone has has confidence in what
the continent conquences could be. I do know that if
we were not across the table from management beating eighty

(56:21):
five or ninety or or ninety four and five, um,
we might still be in lockouts or strikes. I made it.
It's very, very helpful to be there and to be
able to say things privately to someone in the corner
of the room that has a lasting impact. I don't
want to tell too many tales out of school, but lockout.

(56:44):
One of the management negotiators actually came to me as
a side bar and said, I'm gonna say this, you
respond this way. I'll then say this, and you say that,
and I'll say maybe I guess you're right, and we
actually play acted this entire or you know, a script
on a very important matter that went a long way

(57:04):
towards resolving the lockout. So this is a difficult negotiation.
And I don't and I don't have any unfortunately for
your listeners. And I don't have any expertise in it.
But I don't think anybody in management or labor at
the in the current scheme of things, has much expertise
in it, if if if any at all. The second

(57:27):
thing is I think that what gives me some that
hurts my confidence or or diminishes my confidence that there
will be a season is an attitude owners have that
sometimes players just you know, walk away from and say, well,
that's just the way it is. But sometimes it accravates
them to a point where it really makes them I rate,

(57:49):
and that is that owners have a tendency two want
to share their losses but not their games. Uh. You know, Uh,
you buy a stock and it may go down, in
which case you have to stock that went down, so
your franchise's value went down because you had to borrow
more money because you didn't have enough to pay your players. Uh.

(58:11):
And sometimes it goes up, and in which case, when
it goes up, you keep all the they added franchise value.
So the Yankees were purchased for eleven million dollars in
eighteen seventy one and not there were three billion. Okay,
uh uh, your your stock went up. The players don't
share in that. And and we've seen this explosion and

(58:32):
a revenue in baseball over the last several years, which
the owners tend to want to privatize. It's, you know,
it's our money. We made the money, and so we have,
you know, a greater franchise value. And now when their
stock has gone down because of the pandemic and no
fans and the stands and government regulations, well we have
to share these lasses. And that really uh uh, that

(58:54):
really make infuriates the players sometimes that owners think they
never can with stand diminished franchise value. So I think
that is the case now because I think the players
feel over the last couple of negotiations that while franchise
values have gone up enormously, I mean really enormously. We're

(59:15):
talking about many franchises worth over a billion dollars. I mean, uh,
the the players are saying, well, we're gonna put an
end to this. We want to play, no doubt about it,
but we're not gonna let you push us around. You
have losses that you're gonna sustain, sustainable losses. It's your
it's your problem, not ours. UH to borrow more money

(59:37):
against your franchise, but don't ask us to share your
losses when we're not sharing your increased franchise values. Um.
And so that's another complicating factor. I think that UH
doesn't give me as much hope as I would have had.
Let's say, when the issue first arose, will there be
baseball in two thousand twenty, I would have said, oh, sure,

(59:59):
the players want to play, they love playing. The owners
want to play, they love owning. UM. But this is
a complicated situation. I think it's UH. It's it's a
confluence of a unique kind of negotiation and at the
same time a pattern that has existed for the last
hence twelve years of the owners privatizing their their their

(01:00:21):
their profits but socializing their losses. I don't think the
players are are are too happy about that this time around,
and they feel they've been burned twice before and so
now we're not going to get burned a third time. UM.
So I'd say there's still going to be baseball. But
I had to guess because there's room for there's rooms

(01:00:43):
to maneuver here. But the first thing I would do
in order to get there is make sure the owners
are fully transparent about their revenues, all of their outside
sources of revenue, their related party transactions. That's a that's
a necessary prayer requisite to this thing being resolved. The players,

(01:01:05):
UH need to learn for themselves with the degree to
which the owners claimed losses are simply an effort by
their or their part again privatize their profits and socialize
their losses. Speaking with Gene or Is Hartman and Orm
Burger Fox Sports Radio, Gene is a high ranking union

(01:01:26):
official on the Major League Baseball players side. Uh this negotiation,
I was, well, I've been retired for ten years. Oh sorry,
I don't win. I don't wear that hat anymore. I'm
not here to argue the player inside. I am simply
pointing out that my experience and negotiations is that this
is what the players are I think are thinking. I

(01:01:48):
don't know that for a fact. I talked a few players,
and I talked some agents, but uh, I'm not I'm
not here carrying the players Association's water I'm happily retired
doing no no. I I know that my my question
was going to be about the current commissioner, though I
don't know if you've had any experiences with Rob in

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the past, you know, as far as in person interaction
and how much but it when with Rob Manfred, do
you feel like baseball is in good hands with him
as acting commissioner? Well, it depends what you mean by
good hands. There's probably nobody who's who interacts on the
Union's side with Rob more than I did, and more

(01:02:28):
than I still do. I Rob and I still talk.
I think he's a I've been publicly, you know, quoted
as saying and I'll say it again. He is far
and away the smartest commissioner they've ever had, um uh.
And he will be a formidable adversary in these negotiations.
Rob has what we had for many years. Rob has

(01:02:50):
what I call archive locpability. He has been around since
ninet so when I first met him, and we've dealt
Rob and I don't intimately subjects for many many years.
So I know Rob really really well, um and I
have great respect for me. But he has archival capabill
He's been around a long time. In the old days,

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we had all the guys who were veterans. Don Phia
was there for a long time. I was there for
thirty years, you know, Lauren, Marvin Miller, Mark Balangel. We
were all there for a long time. And they had
a new guy on the block every negotiation from eight
to two thousand and you know to too, there was
a new guy heading the negotiation. But now that the

(01:03:34):
staff at the Players Association is relatively new, although that
something have some experience, um, but none of them have
the archival experience that Rob does. And archival experience is
important because knowing how you got to a place not
only helps you analyze where you might not want to
go in the future, because how you got that tells

(01:03:56):
you that you couldn't you shouldn't go there, but it
also gives you an expertise that the opposition might not
have and as a resulted it makes it harder to
convince that person with our guys lo capability that in
fact he has to change in some way. So but
so Rob, I think if I were representing the Players Association,

(01:04:17):
I would say to myself that we've never faced a
more able adversary over across the table than Rob Manford.
He's a he's a very very smart guy. He's very clever. Yeah,
sometimes clever by a yard, as we say, but you know, uh,
he is a formidable smart, excellent negotiating and so that's

(01:04:42):
that's going to be a real test for the Players
Association going up against the guy as smart as Rob.
He's the smartest commissioner by far they've ever had. Smart
isn't always effective, though, Geane. And that's that's where we
are right now, Jean, can we can we hold you?
We just got to get a little update right now.
Can we hold you for a second? Absolutely all right.

(01:05:02):
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Major League Baseball Players Association is joining us. We'll get
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Genor has joint us former Assistant General Council for Major
League Baseball Players Association, Gine, I want to ask you
about the difference between a salary cap and the luxury tax.
So Major League Baseball is the only major team sport
that does not have a salary cap, but they do
have a luxury tax that some feel acts as a

(01:06:26):
salary cap. Where do you stand on that. Well, that's
actually a great question. It's at the heart of the
problem in this negotiation in some respects when we agree
to the tax, I actually said to Rob, I said,
the important thing about this taxes that it has to
be paid. Because it's in fact no one is paying
the tax, then it operates as a cap. Uh. So

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we have to set thresholds and we have to set
you know, penalties at a level such that some clubs,
four or five clubs, three or four clubs are willing
to pay the acts because if we have to get
to the point where the tax is not being paid
by anyone and it is seen as a cap on
their ability to spend. You but you effectively back door

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to us in this at the end of this two
d and thirty eight day negotiation and strike uh, you know,
resisting a salary cap into giving you a salary cap
by a different name. And he agreed with me. He understood.
And in the early years of the operation of the
luxury tax, what's called the luxury tax, it's really called

(01:07:33):
a competitive balance tax. In the in the in the agreement, um,
there were three or four teams every year, two or
three scenes at least that that that paid the tax,
and now the club's assert the tax as in negotiations,
as somehow a ceiling on their ability to spend. And
so the only solution to that, I think has to

(01:07:55):
be some major modifications of how the tax operates, both
in terms of what the threshold is and also what
the penalty is. But your question is is really the
most profound question one can ask about the upcoming negotiations
for the larger agreement, which is what do we do
about it? About um a compromise on the existence of

(01:08:17):
a salary cap that is turning out to be that
very same thing, a salary cap. What do we do
about that? Because I can tell you the players are
of the mind I know this. We did not go
on strike for two hundred and thirty eight days fighting
a salary cap only to wind up with one back
door that is not that that is a driving force
that will be a driving force in the next negotiation. Hey, Jean,

(01:08:40):
does this stoppage right now, because that's what it is,
have anything really to do with this pandemic? Or do
you think it has a lot more to do with
the looming c b A that's due to end in December. No,
I think it's all the pandemic. The fans don't like
this idea. Whenever there's a long work stoppage of any kind,

(01:09:03):
being the lockout or or astribe that, well, why couldn't
you have started negotiations sooner? The answer is that until
you are up against the wall, you don't really know
how authentic the other guy's position is. It's fine to
say that, you know, I'm selling my house for a
million dollars when it's June and your kids aren't going
back to school yet. But let me see where you
are in August the twenty, because now you only got

(01:09:25):
two weeks before your kids have to be in school,
and now let's see what your offer is. It's a
test of how sincere you are. Time operates as a
test of your sincerity. They never would have Neither side
would have wanted a confrontation earlier than necessary. Um, there
would have been baseball this year. Negotiations would have taken
place under the normal pattern of negotiations, but the real

(01:09:50):
crunch time would come, uh, you know, either from the
management side shortly before the start of spring training or
into the early stages of spring training, or from the
player aside sometime in August prior to the start of
the playoffs, and that's when you will see the degree
to which the players are committed to their point of
view or the clubs are committed committed to their point

(01:10:12):
of view. Uh, this is this is all pandemic related.
In my in my estimation, it can be foreshadowing the
kind of negotiations you're going to be having when it
comes to the bigger collective boggating agreement, negotiations that the
schedule will take place in terms of how the parties
will spawn to each other, how they interact. But no,

(01:10:33):
this is not this is not the uh, you know,
a pre collective boggening negotiation. This is a this is
a function of the pandemic gene. I've I've said, and
most people have observed the same thing that not only
is the Baseball Players Union the most powerful union in
sports and maybe the most powerful union period um, what

(01:10:55):
they have accomplished over these last fifty years, dating back
to the early days of Marvin ol er Um is impressive.
The question is moving forward, where we are in and beyond,
and we're major League Baseball stands right now is a
lot different than it was let's say, dating all the
way back to the mid nineteen seventies, the revenue is
coming in. We know that, but the whole standing of

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Major League Baseball and a lexicon of sports has changed.
So is it is it time for the union to
adjust to the times and where major League Baseball is
right now? Or are these hard line stands which have
been so beneficial to the players over the years necessary
to continue the growth of the game. Well, I don't

(01:11:41):
think that the Players Association can be accused of having
taken real hardline stances and uncompromising positions in less several negotiations.
Even in at the end of the strike, we negotiated
a deal which he made some substantial concessions, although we
did more or less beat out of the clubs the

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notion that they could not survive without a salary cap,
the what you call the luxury tax, the competitive balanced taxes,
and the illustration of that the increased revenue sharing. You know,
people underestimate that what the importance of revenue sharing in
in this agreement. And but to the individual owners, you
buy a team today with certain revenue streams, and you

(01:12:24):
pay a certain amount of money. You pay five hundred
million dollars for your club, and you have certain revenue streams.
Then along comes the union and management and they negotiate
an arrangement whereby you have to give some of your
money more than you otherwise would have it the day
before to the other clubs. Well, you've cut back into
your franchise course. Now, had I known that Gene, I

(01:12:45):
wouldn't spend five hundred million dollars. The Yankees will say,
you know, you're taking money away from me. That's compromising
my ability to sell the club at the highest price,
which is one of the reasons I owned the club
in the first place, is to increase its franchise value.
We have major revenue sharing UH concessions, and you take
money from rich people as opposed to poor people, and

(01:13:07):
that's luxury money. In other words, there's a certain amount
of money you need to run a club, and if
you take that, if you're taking money away from a
small market team, that's money that otherwise would go to players,
because they're the necessity that players that the clubs must
have to compete. But you take money away from the
Yankees or the Red Sox of the Dodgers, you're taking

(01:13:29):
away money that otherwise would go to players because they
have so much of it. It's a luxury and in
essence to have more revenue than you need. So we
made several concessions. So we've always been, you know, free
agency itself. That's six years is a compromise on the
part of on the part of the Players Association. No,

(01:13:49):
I think that, Uh, it's not a question of adjusting.
If anything, that the issue for the players is whether
or not they have they have been too compromising. They've
made too many adjustments over the last two decades. Uh
to uh to continue to be on this path. They
want to put an end to that, I think, But

(01:14:10):
I don't think any fair analysis of of of what
the Players Association has done, going back to the very beginning,
does not allow for the proposition that they don't make compromises.
We've made. I mean, in my during my tenure, we've
made substantial compromises, all in the effort to reach common ground. Uh.

(01:14:30):
The salary arbitration eligibilities now three years or two years
plus of certain number of people three years plus a
certain number of super twos they're called with with substantial service.
That was a compromise we made in in order to
get an agreement. We've made compromises and the pension program.
We've made, you know, compromises on service, on discipline, Uh,

(01:14:53):
disciplinary compromises. So both both sides have made compromises. Both
sides realize that their their job is not to like
each other, it's to agree with each other at some point.
And uh, so we've done that. Uh. What success we've
had is uh simply a function of of an attitude

(01:15:16):
on the part of the players of staying together. The
solidarity at the Players Association has always been greater than
the solidarity among basketball and football players. That may be changing,
you don't get me wrong, But when we were growing
up in the Union, so to speak, we had a
different attitude. Most of the negotiations in basketball and football

(01:15:36):
were conducted by lawyers and in courtrooms and settling anti
trust cases. They're what I called suit negotiations. We had
uniform negotiations. We had players in the room. They came
out of any agreement fielding it was their agreement, that
they owned it. And one result was you had great
confidence that if you called strike, nobody would go to.

(01:16:01):
Eddie Murray is not worried about what Brett Butler is doing.
Because he knows the unions on strike, and when the
unions on strike, you don't go to work. Well, when
Tony Dorsett is asked to go on strike, he has
no clue what Joe Montana or Dan Marino is doing
because they've never had been in the same room together
negotiating their contract. That's changed, don't get me wrong, But

(01:16:21):
back in those days when we when we got this
reputation for being so strong, you know, they attributed to Marvin,
or to Dawn and Me, or to anybody. They want
to attribute it to the media because they're like to have,
you know, people to point to. It's easier to interview
a person than a concept. But the real, the real
success of the Players Association has been at the players.

(01:16:44):
The players have the principal ingredient of union success. They
have you know, they can rely upon each other. There's
a reliability within the player corps that gives them a
certain strength and that's what produces the agreeing. But they've
always been willing to make compromise. Geene, we really appreciate
at the time. It's really amazing how much you have

(01:17:05):
learned from Iowa Sam over the year. It's very impressive.
Than I thought. He wasn't even in school the kids
of Savant. What can I tell you, Gene, we really
appreciate at the time. Thank you so much, my pleasure.
Take care. All right. That's Gene or is a former

(01:17:25):
assistant general counselor for the Major League Baseball Players Association. Alright,
on the other side, we're going to sort of sum
up some of the things that Jean said digested, trying
to figure out is there a way to resolve the
problems facing Major League Baseball in its hopes to start
a season. Coming up next, Steve Harvey and Rich Hoiinburger

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Great conversation with Gene Orza, former assistant General council for
Major League Baseball's Players Association. Gane was, well, he's a
bulldog in the in the boardroom. Yeah. Donald Fear, who

(01:18:10):
had taken over from Marvin Miller heading up the players Union,
was sort of the face, but it was Oors that
did all the dirty work. He was the very tough negotiator.
And obviously my last question to him was basically asking
and praising, you know, the union and the strength of
the union, but maybe to soften their stance, and he,

(01:18:30):
of course insists that they have over the years. Um
the fact remains is that the Players Union in baseball
is still one of the most powerful unions in all
of America and they're not willing to compromise, which gets
us back to the whole idea of push come in
a show, because I fully assume that Rob Manfred will

(01:18:51):
announce that the final offer from Major League Baseball is
going to be a forty eight game season. They're gonna
play a hard line for eight game season with pro
rated salaries. There's your pro rated salary there, Ego, you're
gonna get forty eight games, and then it's gonna be
up to the Union to say yes or no, and
that will determine whether or not we have a baseball season.
And I think it is the mark of a great

(01:19:13):
negotiator to uh compliment and understand the strengths of the adversary.
And that's exactly what Jean was talking about in Rob
Manfred's archival intelligence being so embedded in Major League Baseball
over the course of his years. It's so funny talking
to him. Uh. Where I get tripped up is how
long Rob Manfred has been in the ranks on the

(01:19:36):
owner side as an executive. He's been there for a
long long time. He didn't come out of nowhere. And
so Gene and his interactions um interesting enough. None of
them have been virtual. All of them have been in person.
And I think that is the greatest takeaway from this

(01:19:57):
conversation we just had. He said it, and he and
I believe it. One of the biggest issues going on
is they can't have any water cooler talk. You know,
they can't meet over at the coffee pot and say, hey,
come on, what are you guys doing? What are you
trying to do? There's no reasoning here off the call.
You can't send body language across the table, you can't

(01:20:17):
eye roll to your own side. It is going to
have an effect on these negotiations, especially if they can't
ever meet in person prior to the season happening or not.
All right, we're on the guy, go Fox Sports Radio Studios.
So while Baseball tries to figure this out, and by
the way, when we return a week from today, I
think we will have a defend advancer. It's either gonna

(01:20:39):
be yes or no. I don't I don't think we
can go through another week without getting some kind of
answer whether or not we're gonna have a Major League
Baseball season. We could keep our fingers crossed. Um, we're
gonna get back to the NFL, though, because well, there
they're the four pound gerrilla in the room and they're
facing some serious questions right now in the aftermath of
comments made by Drew bree ease, where does that put him?

(01:21:01):
Where does that put the league? We're gonna tell you
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Genors again, John Us and now we get back to

(01:21:25):
the National Football League in particular, what happened with Drew
Brees this week. One of the unanswered questions in the
aftermath that Drew Brees's original comments on Yahoo Finance, and
then of course his apologies seeing that he was insensitive.
Now it's come out his wife has said that they
received death threats because of the comments. I mean, we

(01:21:48):
that that's that's not a productive way of making change.
Let's like that infinitely clear um. One of one of
the things that's going to become a lightning rod again
is the national anthem at NFL games. The NFL had
hoped rich that they had put this aside. Remember after

(01:22:11):
the fallout when the President talked about the s O
B s and then there was that unified front. You
can always remember Jerry Jones, you know, kneeling before the game,
not during the anthem, but before the game with the
other players. While the players sort of had their heads down.
He was looking directly into the camera like look at me,
smiling and everything else. But that was short lived. And

(01:22:34):
remember then the NFL put in a new rule to
try to stem the tide by saying, look, if you're
going to be on the field during the national anthem,
then you need to standard attention. If you choose not
to do that, remain in the locker room. People. People
need a little history lesson on the whole national anthem things.
Just there's two key components to the history of the

(01:22:58):
national anthem being played at all these sporting events. It
really started in earnest after World War Two. The NFL
commission at the time, elmer Leyden, in the aftermath of
World War Two, asked that the national anthem be played
before every NFL game, and that was picked up by
other sports. However, in the NFL, it wasn't until years later,

(01:23:22):
fifty years later, that it was required for the players
to actually be on the field during the national anthem.
How did that happen, Well, it had to do with
a financial arrangement between the NFL and promotion of the
National Guard. This is it all started, this idea that

(01:23:43):
it was mandatory for players to standard it. It was
all a promotion for the National Guard. There was a
lot of money being spent by the National Guard by
the government in a promotion with the National Football League.
The Defense Department was paying the league millions and millions
of millions of dollars. And that's how we got to
the point where it suddenly became mandatory and why we

(01:24:08):
even televised because when I remember when I was young,
I never we never saw the national anthem unless they
had some kind of you know, fancy guest singer or
something like that. But this became mandatory part of the
agreement reached by the NFL, the National Guard, and then coincidentally,
of course, with the television networks. So that's how we

(01:24:28):
got to the point where suddenly had to see the
national anthem and see everybody on the field. So now what.
So the NFL did a pretty effective job of suddenly
taking this off the front page. The whole national anthem
was no longer a big story of the last couple
of years, but it will be front and center once
the season begins. So Drew Brees said that he was insensitive,

(01:24:54):
has pledged in multiple apologies now that he's going to
do a lot more to listen and make changes. The
one thing he did not say is that from this
point on that he will take a knee during the
national anthem. He didn't say that at all, and I
doubt that he ever will. So let me ask you this, Rich,

(01:25:18):
because you are one to have stood on the sidelines
for many NFL games during the national anthem. My feeling
from the get go on this and again this is
a personal choice, is that I always respected the right
if anyone wants to do anything during the national anthem,
and it's no problem for me. So that was the
problem for Drew Brees because he said, I'll never respect that.

(01:25:40):
That's not a problem for me. But personally, I would
never take a knee during the national anthem. It's just
my own personal choice. You asked me why, and it's
because that's how I feel about the national anthem um
And in fact, I have been in many press boxes
over the years on irked when I see members of

(01:26:01):
the press not even standing during the national anthem or
talking to somebody else, I'm like, can't you take two
minutes out of your time to, you know, for our
national anthem. That's a personal choice. And that's what I'm
trying to gear myself to. And what murder this is
going is that it is about personal choice and no
matter what side you're on, you shouldn't be persecuted look

(01:26:23):
for making that personal choice. The NFL, in the first place,
plays the national anthem and unfurls the flag horizontally across
their field as a marketing prop okay, because it instills
this feeling of patriotism, which makes you feel that you're
doing something more important than you actually are. You're entertaining yourself.

(01:26:47):
You know, look, you may take uh two minute pause
out of your day, close your eyes, and in somber silence,
respect the hard work our armed forces due on a
daily basis to protect our freedoms. What I did during
the national anthem, during my entire career, collegiate, high school,

(01:27:07):
professionally is I would hold my helmet under my arm,
I put my hand over my heart, I closed my eyes,
and I would quietly thank every single person in my
life who helped me get to the platform I was on.
It was just what I did with that time. But
it means different things to different people. And I wouldn't

(01:27:28):
condemn anybody for what they use that time for because, frankly,
that time you have in the first place is is
is a dubious time in and of itself, because if
it weren't making money for the league, they wouldn't do it.
If it weren't a great marketing strategy for the league,
they wouldn't do it. It's not because these owners are

(01:27:50):
are so patriotic. It's because, Wow, we're really onto something here.
We have this American pride built and baked into our sport.
Now because we are profiteering off of our national anthem
and the usage of our flag, let's build a whole
month around this. Will sell more merchandise, will put camouflage
on some of our uniforms, and we'll be able to

(01:28:12):
sell them to more people. Look, this is a merchandizing,
money making affect that the league has capitalized on. So
in the first place. In the first place, it's the
league who's using the flag and the anthem as a
prop So if you're going to be a person who's
arguing against somebody taking a knee and protesting for a

(01:28:36):
worthy cause to have racial equality in a country that
respects the freedom of every men and one man and
woman who lives here, and you feel like that is
such important behavior, look first to the league who is
abusing beautiful symbols of patriotism to ring another dollar or

(01:28:57):
two out of you. Well and again. And I think now,
as I said, if I were on the field, I
would still standard attention as I've always done during the
national anthem, but I would also take that time during
those two minutes of our national anthem to think about
how much I love my country, but how far my

(01:29:18):
country has to go to be better. I mean, this
is all part of it. I mean, if you're standing
there at attention during the plane of our national anthem,
I'm thinking about our country. That's the good the bad.
One needs to change, what what we should be appreciative of,
and what changes need to be made. That's how I'm
trying to be productive during those two minutes during the

(01:29:40):
national anthem. So it's going to be interesting to see
how that plays out. The idea is see the NFL.
They saw decline in TV numbers during it, carried over
in the aftermath of President Trump again with the s

(01:30:02):
O B comment, and suddenly this renewed interest in what
players were doing during the national anthem. But that all
went by the wayside like that. That's not the reason
for or against white people are watching the National Football League.
There's a multitude of reasons why people watch the National
Football League. Gavin watches the National Football League because he's

(01:30:24):
got money on the games. Okay, let's make that clear.
And nothing's gonna change that. No protests during the national
anthem he's gonna make him turn off an NFL game
when the money's on the line. No, definitely not. I
think I will be able to handle that. In my opinion,
move it earlier before the broadcast, or don't even do it,
we don't need the nationally you're talking, okay, blah blah

(01:30:48):
blah blah blah blah blah. All right, I want to
take this a little step further on the other side,
because I understand what you're saying. And by the way,
we said that two years ago. If the if the
networks feel like they're haveing a negative reaction by carrying
the national anthem, then just don't show the national anthem.
But can you do that now have circumstances change? Will

(01:31:11):
explain why that could be a problem. Coming up next,
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challenges facing the return of action of the National Football League.
By the way, do you think that I mean, obviously,
the George Floyd situation changed things for a lot of people.

(01:31:55):
But do you think that the aftermath of rue brees
is actually a good thing and appreciated by the upper
level people in the National Football League or are they like, damned, Row,
why did you have to open your mouth? It's uh,

(01:32:17):
it's everything right now? Is a catch twenty two, right,
because I'm sure Drew himself like, if he could handle
this whole situation differently, he would have, right. But at
the same token, if he's a if he's a man
of conviction, and he's a and he's being completely honest

(01:32:38):
with how he feels about the things that he's seen
in this country and the open and honest conversations he's
been having with players since he quote unquote stepped in
it and answered the question on a Yahoo financed interview
the way he did. Well, then don't you have many
moments in your life where something completely and obviously negative

(01:33:00):
happened to you, but you would never take them back
because they helped shape an opinion that put you on
the right path, right, you know, whether it be a
run in at school where you got into trouble but
it straightened you out, you know, or a situation with
an ex girlfriend that was really really negative. But in

(01:33:23):
the aftermath, maybe you met your wife, somebody knew, somebody different,
somebody who's right for you. Right, So, everybody has negatives
in their life where they could say, wow, that was
a really dark time, But on the other side of
it's something truly positive emerged. And I think for Drew
that maybe the moral to this story, Wow, maybe I

(01:33:43):
had my my head in the sand for a while
on some of these issues that were happening all around me,
and I just really was ignorant and blissfully unaware of
exactly how much it was affecting people who I love
and people who I care about in teammates of mine.
It's so well, at the personal level, he's probably wrestling

(01:34:04):
with that right now because this is still there's a
lot of blowback coming his way. At the corporate level
in the NFL. Again, that being a business model what
they care about, and rightfully so, because every business is
and I'm talking about the business, not the people who
run the business, but the business itself. Their goal is
to make money and to keep the business thriving. And

(01:34:27):
so they're going to do, now what's good for business.
If it's good for business to back drew up in
his statements. They would have back drew up and backed
up his statements, but right now that would not be
good for business, so they threw in with the players.
Goodell got in front of a camera in his basement
and he released uh a statement on behalf of his

(01:34:50):
black players who spoke out and in a succinct message, said,
these are the words we need to hear from the league.
Because I'm George Floyd. All right, well, I apologize for
having doubts about the sincerity of advancing the cause because
the NFL has always been about damage control. And that's

(01:35:13):
what I'm talking about too. A big difference between damage
control and actually advancing the cause, and that remains to
be seen. I want to get back to this idea
of showing the national anthem. So you're the networks right now, okay, wow,
all right now we gotta deal with this again. We're
back to the national anthem and the kneeling. And believe me,

(01:35:34):
when the NFL is reacting to something, it's from the
source of the money, which prevails from the television deals.
That's where the most money comes from. Sure, they make
money when people show up the games, but that is
a fraction of the money that is coming in through
the television networks. So now the networks are back to

(01:35:55):
this about about the national anthem, but it's a lot
different than it was two years. They cannot not show
the national anthem knowing that there will be protests during
the national anthem. And by the way, the pressure I
get back to Drew Brees for a moment here. So
in this apology, he hasn't walked back anything. But in

(01:36:15):
his apology for his initial statements, he has not said
that he will take a knee during the national anthem,
which brings back to the optics and what the public
perception would be if during the national anthem he remains
standing while others neil. Now he can say, look, I

(01:36:37):
mean I and I talked about this personally, but I'm
not Drew Brees. He's he's the guy that's gonna have
all eyeballs are gonna be on Drew Brees during the
national anthem. And if he chooses to stand with the
preface of saying, look, I support their cost, but I
will not take a knee during the national anthem. I'll
take a knee before the national anthem. I'll do it.

(01:36:58):
I cannot take a knee during the anational anthem. What
do you think the reaction is going to be, especially
if that's televised across the country. I think, I look,
I don't know, and that is my honest reaction. I really,
I really don't know right now what the reaction will
be two players who kneel during the national anthem, assuming
it's broadcasted, assuming that there's still a national anthem played

(01:37:20):
prior to these football games. I don't know what the
reaction is going to be to Drew Brees, whether he
stands or kneels. Um. We know that his family is
receiving death threats, uh, you know, just for simply stating, uh,
that he would stand for the flag and then respond
and I and I really think it was on the

(01:37:40):
other side of his response to Donald Trump, where he
defended the players side of this, those who kneel during
the national anthem, saying that the ongoing conversations with my
teammates and leaders in the black community, I realize this
is not an issue of the American flag and it
ever has been, and we can no longer use the
flag to term peo way or distract them from the

(01:38:01):
real issues that face our black communities, and so I
think that's really where the malice comes from, because I
feel like a lot of people jump to his defense
with his comments and said, Drew, you should never apologize,
including the president, and then on the other side of
his remarks, in response to the President, he's receiving death threats.

(01:38:22):
So I think, frankly, there would be a higher level
of attack on Drew if he kneeled then if he
actually stood. And I mean that's how I feel about
it now. I don't know if that changes before the
kickoff of the NFL season. Well that's what you again,

(01:38:44):
we talk about the sincerity of the whole situation. In
other words, if he if he takes a knee, then
are you are you hypocritical of everything you stated? I mean,
you were very clear on why you make the personal
choice to not kneel where he ran. The trouble is
is that he would never respect anybody that did that.
See that He could have simply said, look, I have

(01:39:06):
my own beliefs about the national anthem. That would have
been fine. He might have gotten a little push back,
but not to the extent that has had based on
all that. I mean, we we you know, during the
week Rich and I are doing our show with our
buddy John Shaefer. We got all these suggestions. Obviously, like
everybody else, was a very volatile week. We had one
suggestion saying what should they do during the national anthem?

(01:39:29):
They said, how about extending the national anthem instead of
two minutes to eight minutes and forty six seconds and
have every NFL player face down on the ground for
eight minutes and forty six seconds. How about that for
an idea for the national anthem? So, I mean, this
is this is where we are right now. There are
raw motions, understandably so right now and this is all

(01:39:52):
things that the NFL cannot push this society. There is
no way they can kick this can down the road
because guarantee Opening Day, especially with the Saints, all eyes
are gonna be on that national anthem. This situation is
inert in a way. We haven't seen it be or

(01:40:12):
have and gather inertia in a long time, maybe since
the nineteen sixties. We have massive protests during a pandemic.
People are risking their health and potentially their lives and
the lives of loved ones to take to the streets
to stand shoulder to shoulder with others carrying signs uh chanting.

(01:40:34):
This isn't just happening in the United States. This is
happening in Germany, This is happening in England, this is
happening in many different countries in Canada. I mean, there
are protests across the world, and the hope, the hope
is for change, The hope is for a more equal society. Um.

(01:40:54):
But but there are going to be obstacles and I
think one of the greatest obstacles but the National Football League,
and really we as a country faces allowing for there
to be a difference of opinion on what the flag
means to you with this country has meant to you
because everybody's shared experience uh maybe similar, but your individual

(01:41:19):
experience in this country is not the same. And I
think that's what's been established over the past week and
a half that just because you've walked your path and
just because you feel patriotic and you feel great about
the country you live in the and the community you
live in, and things have gone your way because we
are free people. There are a lot of people in

(01:41:40):
our society who do not feel that way, who do
not carry that same level of satisfaction with the place
that they grew up, and a lot of it has
to do with their skin color, and they feel that
is not justified in a free country. And I got
I agree with them, But there's a lot of people
who have a bone of contention with those who don't
see the flag agg in the anthem in this country

(01:42:01):
the same way. So how do we get on a
level playing field. Well, we have to make sure that
those who feel oppressed, you know, we we have to
raise them up to the wrong we stand on and
say no, no, no no, let's all share this. But it's
gonna take It's gonna take time. You can't rush these things.
I I hope, I hope change happens fast. And this situation,

(01:42:23):
like I said, has a lot of a lot of
inertia behind it right now. But it's you have to
change a lot of minds and a lot of hearts.
It really is amazing when you think about here, we
are all members of the human race, and we still
have people fighting for equal rights, right, I mean, we're

(01:42:43):
all human beings. And you know, people say, well, I'm
I'm fighting for equal rights, and some people say, well, yeah,
I don't. I don't think so really, it just it
seems so elementary as the members of the human race
that everyone should be on the same page and this should,
out of me be a question. But this is, I guess,

(01:43:04):
part of the human nature. Um, we're an interesting species.
We're very competitive, we're very we're tribal. We're literally tribal,
I mean, like you know, and and to a certain extent,
I mean, it doesn't like if you believe that we
used to live in caves and we had to protect

(01:43:27):
our own and and you know, like you you there
were safety and numbers, so you latched onto things that
fell safe. You know, maybe some of this is instinctual,
but you have to defeat that, you have to overcome that.
You have to see people for who they are and
understand that they they should have what you have. And
the fact that I can look at a teammate or

(01:43:49):
a former teammate in this case, and I could have
a conversation about how I view America and how I
feel about being an American and say some really thoughtful
and beautiful things about my country and have some of
those statements be answered with yeah, but that's not how
life is for me. It makes me sad. It makes
me feel like we have a lot of work to do,

(01:44:11):
and we do, and so I really do hope. Look,
sports is an interesting topic of conversation now because I
think it is essential, and I think we we are
now seeing that on a massive stage because the influence
that the kneeling protests during the National anthem three years
ago has today. I mean, we're seeing demonstrators take knees

(01:44:33):
alongside of cops and military members, you know, to diffuse
some of the tensions. Sports cuts through this culture can
help heal. So I'm hoping that the inertia we have
in this movement right now in this country helps make
the place we had better, uh in the future. Something
almost forty years since John Lennon and his song Imagine

(01:44:56):
wrote the words he may say, I'm a dreamer, but
I'm not the only one. I hope someday you'll join
us and the world will be as one. Still trying
to find that, still trying to find that. All right,
we're in the guy, go Fox Sports Radio Studios. Let's
find out what's trending right now. One man that is
on the same page with all of us here, especially
when it comes to cookies, is David Gascon. I mean

(01:45:20):
that's where we really you want to bring the world together.
Denisa's cookies is something that unites everybody, right yeah, I um,
there's not many left. They're down to four though, for
all of its trending, uh my waiters trending upwards. Do

(01:45:41):
you think I'm going to be bringing that with me
at the end of the show. Do you think those
four cookies will survive the rest of the show? We
got got myself rich Iowa GAVs. I'm embarrassed to admit
I've had eight obvious and only eight guys engines are

(01:46:02):
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Quick Trip five is officially underweather just a couple of
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Ohio State penn Stay announced it yesterday, Colorado State today

(01:46:23):
their football players will begin volunteery on campus workouts tomorrow.
Iowa strengthened conditioning coach Chris Doyle has been placed on
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His mother confirmed that to TMZ, who's forty one years
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(01:46:45):
a couple of people who shut him in the leg,
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Former Bengals defensive at Ken Riley died today, seventy two
years of age. He passes away ranked fifth all time
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time as a franchise record for the Bengals and Cotta.
McGregor announced that he's retiring again from the UFC, telling

(01:47:07):
ESPN that he has lost his excitement for the sport. Guys. You,
by the way, this is the third time that he
has retired, just just a record, So I don't believe that.
First say, I mean one thing about whether you're a boxer,
m M. A guy that's just part of the routine.
When he can't get the fights that you want, you
at your retirement, try to force a situation. But here's

(01:47:28):
a question, do you gut Because he mentioned this in
a quote, I think a little opposite of it. But
do you guys like watching the UFC right now at
the Apex Center without fans and attendance. I am so
glad you mentioned that because that's where I want to
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The only hard part figuring out which way is easier.
Perfect segue once again from gascon between cookies, and that
is the idea of fans returning to arenas, ballparks and stadiums. So,
in the midst of the protests in which thousands and thousands,

(01:48:09):
tens of thousands of people have gathered for obviously a
cause near and dear to them, even uncautioned about the
pandemic that we're all well aware of. Uh, their their
answer is succinct in the sense that I am willing
to take that risk for this cause. I understand the risk.

(01:48:30):
We get it, so we wear a mask or you know,
we take the precautions we do. We understand that we
try to maintain social distancing as best we can. Which
gives me back to the whole premise bringing fans in.
And this is one thing that McGregor was saying that,
you know, participating in these fights in front of nobody.

(01:48:51):
I'm sorry, as a fighter does nothing for me. I
need the energy of the crowd for me to perform
in my highest level. It will be interesting. You know,
we have the golf starting next week, no fans out
there for the Charles Schwab, We've have obviously the looming
NBA season, all of this without any fans in the stands.

(01:49:14):
And we've talked about this Ritch. I'm gonna see if
you've changed your mind on this. I doubt it, but anyway,
I I have maintained this, and I actually this is
even before the protests have begun. But it does show
you these tremendous gatherings of people right now, uh where
obviously social distancing is not being met. So I think again,

(01:49:34):
we we all understand the risk. We understand the risk,
right I I am. I'm a champion of opening up stadiums, arenas,
ballparks to make that available to people, understanding the risk involved.
And I would to protect myself if I Major League

(01:49:58):
Baseball or the n b A or the NFL. There
will be a disclaimer on your tickets, much as there
is in baseball parks about foul balls, that says that
we're not liable. You have to understand this. And by
the way, I would be infinitely clear before I would
allow a single individual. We are gonna make this opportunity
available to you. It's like the warning on a pack

(01:50:22):
of cigarettes, and people still buy cigarettes. Right, This could
cause death. So I'm making it clear to you that
you are putting your life potentially at risk. But if
you so choose to attend this sporting event anyway, take

(01:50:44):
that risk. We will make that available to you. And
then should you put it in there said I have
no problem doing that. No, no, listen, I don't have
a problem. I really don't have a problem if a stadium,
arner are arena, or a ballpark wants to open and say, hey,
it's up to you and make you sign a waiver

(01:51:06):
should you be willing to go to the ballpark, But
I will also say this, you then expose yourself to
the opportunity of extreme litigation. Not if I may get
a clear there's no there's no such thing as that
you and and you just to use two examples where
even though there are safety precautions on the boxes of

(01:51:28):
cigarette big tobacco pace settlements all the time, they get
sued constantly, their legal team is tied up from here
until the next coming. The same could be said with
ballparks in foul ball line drives that peg fans. There
haven't been very successful litigation on those. When there's gross
negligence to be found, there have been huge settlements paid out.

(01:51:51):
It happens. It happens consistently every year in Major League Baseball,
and if not, the owners get in front of it
by helping with me iCal expenses, by showing, you know,
showing good faith to those who have been hurt or
injured in their ballparks. So if you did open up
your stadium, your ballpark, your arena, and you said it's

(01:52:12):
up to you, it is fully within your your your
your liability, your own personal liability to do so, sign
this waiver. You you could contract the COVID nineteen virus,
uh and it wouldn't be our fault because we are
availing this to you. It's up to you. But but
again they're going to have to prove to fans that

(01:52:33):
it is a safe environment. They're going to have to
prove to fans that they went through some safety protocols.
And so again you open yourself to litigation. What I
don't want to see that you can't make some kind
of guarantee on any no no, and and again that's
the reason why I I don't I don't not gonna
be any guarantees. Even if we have a vaccine, there
will be no guarty and and that's the reason why

(01:52:55):
I don't think I'm against it. What I'm saying is
if you do it too soon, like say, okay, for example,
we have protests happening where for a great and worthy cause,
people are potentially risking their health right now in these protests,
and and frankly, Vegas is wide open, so people are
risking their health for you know, gambling and entertainment for

(01:53:15):
for for much less right you know, So when you
when you think about it, there's a lot of businesses
that are reopening, and and there's a lot of social
distance being uh impugned upon, and it's all done willfully.
Will there be a second surge of infection of COVID
nine team cases? And if there is, what does that
mean about opening ballparks and stadiums. I just think that

(01:53:38):
if I were an owner of a business right now,
if I were an owner of of a football team
or a baseball team right now, I would proceed with
extreme caution to what capacity i'd fill my stadium or
my ballpark, because I wouldn't want to expose myself to
further UH expenses during a time where revenues have been slashed.

(01:53:59):
That's the thing about this country. You want to know
what the United States leads the pack by leap years
is litigation for everything. And the idea of a lawsuit
was always that you'll get a settlement. And in most
instances of times, civil are simply filed to get some

(01:54:19):
kind of settlement. All right, figure out some kind of
monetary settlement, and we'll call it off. You know, That's
how how it works in this country. Who know the
country doesn't The legal teams went on both sides because
on the legal side, you know, your your attorneys, they
didn't contract COVID nineteen. They didn't. They didn't expose themselves

(01:54:41):
to litigation. They just sorted out the settlement and got
paid hourly. So, yes, we have an overly litigious society.
But and I completely agree with that, but it doesn't
it doesn't take away from the fact that that could
put these sports teams who are claiming that the revue
news have been hit and they've been slashed so well.

(01:55:02):
Again that we're two years from now and everything's calmed down,
somebody goes to a game and and gets COVID nineteen
fossil lawsuit. It could be I mean, so that that
will be looming forever. But what happens if what happens
with a lot of people in one occurrence catchup or
or across the end, we're going to find out more
gatherings and if you have a class action, that could

(01:55:23):
be Billy k. But if we're if we're sitting here
two weeks from now after these massive protests all over
the country and there hasn't been an increased outbreak, an
alarming outbreak of those that participated in these mass protests,
is that a game changer as far as the idea
that maybe we're not as a much danger of opening

(01:55:47):
up ballparks and arenas and stadiums as we once thought.
All Right, we're in the guy, go Fox Sports Radio Studios,
NBA's coming back, But how how good is the play
actually going to be We're gonna tell you one big
effect from the extended layoff. Coming up next Steve Harbin
and Rich Hemburger coming Alive and the guy go Fox

(01:56:11):
Sports Radio Studios. Four cookies left, four cookies left? All right,
Rich is about to fall asleep from his sugar crash.
It's o me. It's a lot about me. I also
pound caffeine throughout the day. This guy drinks a lot

(01:56:31):
of coffee. You are seeing a straw man that runs
on just pure ethanol. Like I. I I just try
to get through the day with caffeine and then as
soon as I stopped drinking it, then it's bedtime. Well,
I I wonder if the NBA players are gonna need
a little caffeine. Do you think NBA players are underestimating

(01:56:52):
the power of the energy of crowds. I mean, when
you play, you know, you can always joke. While Gee,
when I was in high schoo we didn't have you know,
fifty people in the room or you know, I've heard
some of these college coaches saying no crowds. That was
the first twenty years of my coaching career. We had
you know, yeah, but if you suddenly have the adrenaline rush.

(01:57:16):
I mean, let me ask you this. You went to
Penn State University hundred thousand people for every home game.
Hundred thousand people. Now, I would imagine in high school
you did not have a hundred thousand people at your
games while including the band. Okay, but once you've accustomed

(01:57:39):
yourself to the energy a plane in front of a
lot of people, to suddenly shut it down to zero,
you may not think it's a big meal now, but
I guarantee you, especially when you're in a playoff game
in the NBA and there's a certain intensity and you're

(01:58:03):
so programmed to react to crowds, whether they're cheering you
or booing you. This is how you've played your whole lives,
right at least since your college days. In the NBA
adjustment maybe for some they can do it, others is like,
and this is what Connor McGregor is saying. I'm sorry

(01:58:25):
when I'm I'm when I'm in that octagon, man, I'm
feeling it with the crowd if I if I don't
have that sorry, I it doesn't do anything for me.
I'm just curious with the n b A, how intense
the games are gonna be. I'll tell you what are
we going to see? Even if it's labeled as a
playoff game. I had a teammate and I won't embarrass him.

(01:58:46):
I'm sure he probably wouldn't be embarrassed. But I had
a teammate who used to stand in front of the
mirror and he would just be preening himself and you know,
with the eye black under his eyes, and it had
to be done just a certain way. It was like
watching my wife prepare herself for a date night. Like

(01:59:08):
you know, you have the lotions and the potions and
the powders and the eye black, and the hair had
to be done like I'm not even kidding, Like the
hair was being dealt with, and this was a forty
minute process pre game, every single game. And then it
wasn't done there. He would go to the bin and
he would search out the right arm bands because they

(01:59:29):
couldn't be too thick or too thin, and then he
would even then trim them a little bit. And then
the socks had to be pulled up a certain height,
and the like the pad pants had to be Dude,
I'm not kidding. Can you come out of that tunnel? Though? Well,
so he was very aware of how he felt in
his game day regalia and like he was very like

(01:59:52):
he felt like And I asked him a couple of times,
I'm like, do you really have to do all that?
He's like, yes, it's a ritual. He was like, and
if I don't feel good, if I don't feel that
I look good, I don't feel like I can play good.
And and I He's like, and I've been doing it
since high school. To stop bothering me. And so I
eventually stopped. I would tease him still, but I would
stop bothering about it. It was it to me though

(02:00:14):
it was ridiculous, but some guys need different things to
get them going for game day. And so the roar
of the crowd do you think Ray Lewis was dancing
as he left the tunnel with the intensity and the
eyes wide open was just for ray No, he was
trying to enthuse the crowd around him to get his
blood boiling so he could go out there and and

(02:00:37):
and and hunt the field like he did at that
linebacker position. It was a part of his ritual. So
I do think when you're playing an empty arenas, it's
going to have a profound fact on certain guys. I
don't think there's any doubt the one sport that will
not be his golf. This whole idea of no crowd.
Most golfers they what happens. And as a guy's addressing

(02:00:59):
a pot toilets, this is like a dream. It'll be
total silence, be able to focus on my shot. So
be interesting this week with the potato um. But I
I the intensity of these games. I think it's gonna
be off for several players. All Right, we're in the

(02:01:20):
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The cookies are gone. That's it. I don't know how
many cookies were in this, but they're all gone. Not enough,
there's not even any carryer. Well, no, actually, Gavin, you
have cookie you're bringing home with you. It's already gone.

(02:02:03):
I wanted to, but it's just an extra ten ten
minutes on the peloton. Yeah, so he was like, I
had my one, rich is the MVP. Though nine. I
didn't want to hit double digit, so I had the

(02:02:24):
end there. I I became very generous. He said that
the first one you like, he sort of savor. It's like,
oh man, this is really good, but by the ninth
one you don't even remember it going into your mouth. Sam.
Last week, Sam had had two cookies because we only
had like a dozen cookies, and you ate the first cookies,
really savored it right the second cookie it was in

(02:02:47):
your hand and then it disappeared vaporized by the time
it even got to my mouth. I really it was
just yeah, no, savor, listen my bloody guys and savored
it after the fact. Yeah, I'm embarrassed, but that's okay,
I'm human. Well again her former offensive lineman's problem not careful.
You can get right back to current. All right, So

(02:03:11):
why do we spend so much time talking cookies? Because
it's a fun thing to talk about, and as opposed
a lot of the upheople that we have going on
in our world right now was just necessary to discuss.
And as we always say, we got to move it forward.
How do we you know, move move it forward? You
know when we look at the sports world right now,

(02:03:31):
there is reason for optimism. In other words, the NBA
now has a legitimate game plan. Oh. By the way,
I have an update on my tickets. So unless you've
never heard this show before, and I've made a lot
of this, I bought a pair of tickets for the
Lakers Rockets game that was scheduled for March twelfth. That

(02:03:53):
was the first game that was postponed due to the
coronavirus out break. I invested over a thousand dollars for
these two tickets. Um, these are I do this once
a year. My younger son is a fanatic NBA. By

(02:04:13):
the way, the NBA two k Okay he brought out,
he has it every single year, like from too, I
don't know when it started, two thousand seven whatever. He
has them all lined up all the way to showing
me every one of them. Okay, So to say my
son is an NBA fanatic as the understatement of the year.

(02:04:34):
So I do this as a gift to my son.
I dig deep into my pockets to get insanely good
seats for a Laker game at Staples Center. They're usually
underneath the basket and they come with a heavy price tag. Fine,
all right, my son, I'll do that. Well, I haven't
got my money back. So the reason I never got
my money back is the fact that the game was postponed.

(02:04:57):
It wasn't canceled or resc eduled, had been rescheduled, and
I can't make that date. I can get a refund. Obviously,
if it's canceled, there would be in a media refund.
Neither thing happened. By the way, there's a lot of
you out there. It also invested a ton of money
and tickets for the NBA and have not gotten a refund.
So we got an update after the big vote on Friday,

(02:05:23):
and we were notified now that it's obvious that there
will be no fans like this is some revelation at
any NBA game for the remainder of the season. They
weren't gonna fly out. They even try that there's zero
fans at so uh and they said, so, the good
news is we'll get back to you in two weeks.

(02:05:47):
Cheers to that, But they did say that we will
issue refronts in order of weight. Well we were the
first game, okay, so well, who knows. We'll get right back.
It'll get you like one of those like triangular Isa
Seles Lakers penance to put up on your wall. By

(02:06:09):
the way, there was one line before we get back
to real news that I'm curious your interpretation of it said,
at the very least you will get a full refund.
At the very least, you mean you're gonna kick in
some of the ensurance of the interest that I lost
that on kersn plus investment. At the very least, you

(02:06:31):
will get a full refund. Maybe we'll give you a
T shirt as well. Hey, something for the Trump. So anyway,
still waiting, still waiting on that refund um. But I mean,
if we look around all of sports, so here's where
we are right now. Any car racing started up again. Um,
we have horse racing going on again with no fans. Uh.

(02:06:54):
NASCAR obviously has been off and running UFC Up and
going no fans go. We'll start this week, Charles Schwab.
By the way, they've announced this is interesting. So they
have a hundred forty eight golfers in the field for
this golf tournament this week. Most of the big names there.
No Tiger yet, and you say, well, when we should

(02:07:14):
we see Tiger back. I can bet the bank on
it it will be the memorial because he loves Jack's
tournament there. And that is, by the way, you've been
announced as the first p G eight tournament that will
welcome fans back. Now, social distancing for fans in a
golf tournament seems pretty easy, right unless you set up

(02:07:36):
those stands. But if you just sort of scatter people
a certain amount of people over the course, it's achievable.
Right Well yeah, I mean, look it's you're in an
open field, you know, so it's achievable. You take away
those stands that they have, you know, yeah, you can't
have any any like stadium style seating next to tea
boxes like they do it certain around the green stuff

(02:07:58):
like that. That's eliminated. But look, if Tie your Woods
is playing in a tournament, he draws a crowd, and
so you are going to have some concerns amongst uh,
I guess the the event organizers that yeah, right, well
that that's really what it's gonna come down to. But
also again, Tiger himself is the one who draws a

(02:08:18):
lot of the crowd. So if there's action around the
greens and you have people waiting five deep to see
him sink of fourteen footer, I mean, are they all
going to be six ft away from each other? I mean,
are we gonna have the fifth row thirty feet from
the green? If they could be standing, you know, naval
to back with all the other onlookers, It's going to

(02:08:40):
be very difficult to create social distance from that standpoint
because again, you know, certain golfers draw a crowd around
the tea boxes of the greens that they're at. So
we have a lot of rescheduled things. Now Wimbledon and
the Open Championship were both canceled, so there will be
no Wimbledon, no Open Championship, but the Chopin in tennis,

(02:09:01):
the US Open Australian obviously was already played. They have
been rescheduled. The Masters has been rescheduled, PGA Golf Championship,
which I think will be the first of the major
golf championships played, and the US Open rescheduled. We also
have the possibility if somehow Major League Baseball can get
their act together, that we could actually have the NBA

(02:09:25):
Finals at the same time that the baseball playoffs are
being played in the beginning of October. So you can
have a lot of choices. Though not to mention, of course,
the NFL hopefully college football. By the way, one quick note,
I don't know if people saw this about an announcement
from the n c a A as far as the
college football season is concerned that even if they start

(02:09:47):
on time, that the season may end in Thay at Thanksgiving.
And the reason being is they say that that's when
the full all semesters for a lot of these schools
is gonna be let out. They're gonna limit the amount
of time. Now that seems strange to say, well, what
about the bulls. I mean, even if you were to

(02:10:09):
cut let's say the season from twelve games to ten,
you have a conference championship games, you have bowl games.
Do we have a national champion? I think all that
goes away this season. I think because again, if we're
still living in the age of social distancing and potentially
stadiums not even offering available sites for where typical bowl

(02:10:32):
games are normally played, Like I you know, certain states
may say, hey, look, you know, we'll just rotate them through,
you know, bring your teams, will house the bull sites
and the stadiums, and we'll sterilize them in between each event.
And well, yeah, well we'll take your money or tourism.
Who knows what it's gonna look like. But but to
comment on what you just said, if you have the

(02:10:53):
basketball finals, if you have the NFL season and potentially
the college football season in full swing at that point,
and you have events from the golf season important majors
pushed into potentially the month of October, you you also
have the early stages of the baseball playoffs. I mean,

(02:11:14):
what sport is really going to be hurt the most?
It feels It feels like golf and baseball, you know.
I I because the urgency to watch football every single
week matters so much in the NFL. And also the
fact that it could be fleeting, like we don't know
if they're gonna be able to necessarily complete seasons based

(02:11:35):
on the virus and if on a team, the NBA
has made it very clear we're gonna finish this season, okay,
but so if they do and they are in their finals,
even if people test positive. We will am a baseball
fans not happy with this season potentially only being fifty
games long, So what do the playoffs mean? Like, you're

(02:11:57):
the only guy that I know is saying forty eight
games is still too long? No, no, no, no no,
you want to cut it down to sixteen games, like
I truly said, And I would be I would be
fascinated if they ever did this in a regular season,
not a viral pandemic, If they cut their season in half,
if they played eight games as opposed to one sixty two,

(02:12:20):
I think that's a more compelling baseball season. Let me
ask you this, if somebody were to hit four hundred
in a forty eight game season, complete season, forty eight games,
do we give that person credit for being the first
four hundred hitters since Ted Williams and nineteen four Williams
and whoever and whoever Splendid Splinter, whoever and whoever. This

(02:12:44):
this mask man is uh and he will be wearing
a mask because of COVID. Uh is uh is They're
going to have to share that crowd. Yeah, yeah, I'm sorry. Look,
I know baseball, Well yeah, any numbers, guys, Like, what
do I do I'm a fan of because by the
way you would vote for awards. I guarantee the Baseball
Writers would have full awards voted on and everything else

(02:13:06):
and everybody would be talking about as they get that.
You know, even when the postseason was canceled, Baseball Writers
had all the awards. Look, it doesn't matter if you
especially if you have a full playoffs and you you
you have a World Series champion ten years from now,
fifteen years from now, twenty years from now, whatever team

(02:13:27):
won that championship will still have their trophy and their
trophy case, all of the m v p s will
still be m vps. It will make people barf right
now in the present who are baseball purists? But it
will count if it's unfortunate, and there may be some asterix,
but it'll count. Do you look forward to the Masters
being played November ninth or so. That's gonna be in November.

(02:13:52):
So the PDA Championship will be in September, so will
the US Open. As I mentioned, the Open Championship will
not be aid this year. But yeah, you're gonna have
to wait till November November for the Masters. What about
the weather is like an Augusta, Georgia down there in
the middle the middle of November. All right, we're in

(02:14:13):
the guy, go Fox Sports Radio Studios. Much more to
be excited about where we're feeling good, A lot of
cookies in the system, A lot of cookies in the system.
Feeling good about what is transpiring. And if this is
going to week be the week for Major League Baseball
to finally give us an answer on coming up next?
Steve Harbin and a rich Armburger. Ye, we want to

(02:14:36):
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Call or visit granger dot com. It wasn't that long
ago that Major League Baseball we remember, were all excited
two games season and they would have an expanded playoffs
and it was gonna start fourth of July weekend, which

(02:15:19):
is a month ago away. Right, we're getting close. Right,
It seemed all good except for that one little disclaimer.
There no pro rated salaries, revenue split. Did you really
have to go there obviously rejected by the players, and

(02:15:42):
they countered with forget eighty two and fourteen games schedule
with pro rated salaries mm hmm. That was rejected by
Major League Baseball. Their canter offer was no counter off

(02:16:03):
zero Again. I truly feel like the owners are going
to play four minute offense and run out the clock here,
just like you would in football. I said this earlier
in the show, and I think the goal is to
wind the clock down to a point where it really
doesn't even make sense given the weather that takes place

(02:16:26):
in the majority of the baseball markets, UH, to extend
the season beyond fifty games or forty eight games like
they want the players to play. And so what that
puts is the players in the seat holding the onus
as to whether or not they'll accept pro raded salaries
and expanded playoffs over forty eight games or not. And

(02:16:48):
if they don't, then what the owners hope is that
it's the players who get credited with the heel turn.
It's the credit, It's the players that bear the owner
of This didn't happen because they are too greedy to
play an abbreviated season. UH. During these times, we would

(02:17:09):
have hosted it, but they didn't want to do it.
All right, So are we at a complete I pass. No.
In fact, there are five things from what we gather
that both sides agree on. Okay, and I'm that's that's
the starting point. What do they both agree on? First
of all, in returning to play, both sides agree extensive
health and safety protocols for the players and team personnel.

(02:17:31):
Makes sense, That is not an argument on either side. Secondly,
both sides agree to an expanded roster because again, somebody
could get six. So remember this was the year that
the Act of Roster was going from twenty six. Both
sides of a great thirty, which is fine, meanings more
people get paid, but one year provision sounds good. Another

(02:17:54):
thing both sides agree on right now is the universal
DH because baseball is trying to move in that direction anyway,
so both sides agree to that. The other thing they
agree on is regional scheduling, so you cut down on
the travel, so East teams play East, whether it's Inner
League or you know, whatever it is, vision or not,

(02:18:16):
you're you're gonna keep it regional. Both sides agreed to that,
and both sides have agreed to expand the playoffs, more
money for everybody. So these are things that they are
in agreement. Two, what they're not an agreement is how
much money the players are gonna make. Simple? Is that?
I mean it's a it's a pro rated salary, or

(02:18:38):
it's gonna be based on the revenues generated when there
is no revenue because there will be empty ballparks. I AW,
I'm still curious about that number. Six hundred and forty
thousand dollars. This is the number of that the Major
League Baseball came with of how much money they lose
for every game played in which there are no fans.

(02:19:00):
It seems like a pretty arbitrary number. Like what it
means that the same for Yankee Stadium as it is
down in Tampa where they they're lucky to get ten
thousand fans to show up for a game. How about this? Honestly,
if if Baseball wants to produce numbers and say, guys,
please feel sorry for us, we understand that all thirty

(02:19:20):
team owners hold better than a billion dollars in assets,
because that's what the lowest, the most feeble and meager
financial uh accounting sheets represent. You know, when we do
these valuations. Even the thirtieth ranked team in Major League

(02:19:41):
Baseball is worth over a billion dollars. So these are billionaires,
but they're they're putting that's in asset holdings, you know.
So I but we're talking about people who are well off.
We're talking about people who have been making revenues in
the billions year after year after year. And so it
is very hard for me to feel sorry for someone

(02:20:03):
saying we lose sixty thousand dollars. So wait, wait, wait
a second, is that true. I know for a fact
that if you're like, for example, Manny Machado is due
to make thirty million dollars every year. I know for
a fact, if he plays a third of the schedule
on a pro rated contract, he's going to get ten
million dollars this year. I know it for a fact

(02:20:23):
because I know what he's supposed to be paid, and
I know what he would be paid over approximately, you know,
a third of a season, forty eight games, it's gonna
be around ten million dollars. Because all of that's in paper.
So if he wants to complain about how, and Manny hasn't,
he hasn't made a public statement about this. But if
he wanted to complain about how I'm going to be

(02:20:44):
risking my health my you know, due to injuries like
I always would when I take the ball field, but
also my health as far as potentially becoming infected playing
the game for a third of my salary, and it
is a steep cut. Well, at least he has real
numbers and real information and back it up. Nobody is
going to call that in question. They may call the

(02:21:07):
the statement into question, but you can't question the numbers.
If Major League Baseball wants to talk numbers and they
want people to feel sorry for people who hold billions
of dollars in assets across thirty markets, then show us
your books. Otherwise, stop talking about the money. But again
the books can be deceptive. Getting back to what Ricketts

(02:21:33):
said the owner of the Cubs about where's all this
money go? See if we we hear about all this
revenue being generated by Major League Baseball. Despite by the way,
overall Dwinnline attendants attendance has gone down every year as
the the revenue has net revenue has increased because of
regional TV cons Regional TV controm making tons of money

(02:21:54):
because they provide If I'm a regional TV outlet from
Major League Baseball. How much money am I making right now? Zero?
Not very much any You're not airing any games. You're
losing advertising revenue, obviously. I mean, there's a lot of
people affected by this. By the way, I want to
get back to a statement made UM. This was on

(02:22:17):
Thursday when the players rejected UH the additional pay cuts
being offered by Major League Baseball. UH Tony Clark, director
of the Players Association, said this, and this is interesting
the wording on this. He said, the overwhelming consensus of
the players is that they're ready to report, ready to
get back on the field, and are willing to do

(02:22:39):
so under unprecedented conditions that could affect the health and
safety of not just themselves but their families as well.
I hated when I hear people using the ambiguity of
what's going on with this pandemic, because we really have

(02:22:59):
no answers. When we hear the Faucis of the world,
he's giving us educated guesses on where this is going.
Where we are right now, but there's there's so much
gray area because we don't have definitive answers of where
we're going with this pandemic. But that you can twist
it in a way where you're saying, wow, I mean literally,
my my life's a danger. We hang on, hang on,

(02:23:21):
hang on a second, because we don't know that. Well,
we we do know this. We do know that when
this pandemic swept through Italy and that became an epicenter,
they with an overwhelmingly large majority of elderly people. It's
not an overwhelming majority of elder they do have a
top heavy as far as age demographic and Italy where

(02:23:41):
it hit hard. But but you have you have a
situation where this this disease or this virus passed from
country to country and you had epicenters, and you had
morqus fill up, and you have people dying, and you
had hospitals filled. Look, I'm not saying I'm an epidemiologist
or a disease specialist, but what I do know is this,
there is a risk to return to play for these players. Now,

(02:24:05):
if they're willing to take that risk for millions of dollars,
good on them. There have been essential workers for much
less who have been taking those risks to continue providing
a livelihood for their family. But if the owners want
to cry poor during this pandemic. They're not going to
get my sympathy. All right, We're gonna get much more
from John Paul Morossi on the other side, But right
now from the Geico Fox Sports Radio studios, let's find

(02:24:29):
out what's trending. And as we welcome back the man
that is eating his last cookie of the day, David
gascon Man. It's a tough till it'll swallow when the
NBA and the NHL are going to get back to
work and those are indoors. Yeah, in Major League Baseball
is not getting back to work. I mean social distancing,
even from a player's standpoint, is far more achievable in

(02:24:50):
baseball than it is in hockey. I mean you look
at the UFC. Yeah, I mean these are fighters that
are engaged in their underwear. Well I'm and let's be
honest with each other. They're wearing their skivvies. Look, if
you can watch guys play overseas and crea playing baseball
and have no problem with it, I mean major League baseball,

(02:25:11):
you need to get back to work. JP will have
the answer coming up, will confident in that, Yes, yes
he will. Guys. Just speaking of the UFC, Connor McGregor
announce his retirement again, told the ESPN that he lost
ex seven for the sport. Colorado State football players will
begin voluntary on campus workouts come Monday. IOWA strength and

(02:25:32):
conditioning coach Chris Doyle has been placed on administrative leadpending
an independent review. Former NFL wide receiver Rochet Caldwell was
shot and killed yesterday in Tampa Bay, forty one years
of age from were since day. Bengals defensive back Ken
Riley died today. He was at the age of seventy two.
Fellas back to you, all right, Thank you very much,
David once again comedy Live from the Guy Go, Fox

(02:25:53):
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only John Palmer ROSSI, all right, JP, I'm gonna have
you look into your crystal ball when you join us

(02:26:16):
next Sunday. Well, we have a definitive answer on whether
or not we will have a Major League Baseball season.
In Steve and Rich I believe the answer is yes,
I really do. Because of the urgency here of the
next few days. Uh, if if baseball is going to
be back on American television sets on the fourth July,

(02:26:38):
we need a deal this week. And this is really
up against it, uh from a standpoint of the of
the timing here. UM. We know at this point in
time now the different positions of the Union and MLB
regarding the union's insistence on on the full pro rated
portion of the salaries whereas MLB has proposed salary reductions, um.

(02:27:00):
And really the next several days will determine if there
is a coming together to see if if there's a
way to get the season going eighty two games by
July four, And if it doesn't happen this week, guys,
I really think that we're probably looking at that shortened
fifty or sixty game season, which could begin as as

(02:27:21):
late as August. But I think that really a lot
of the concern now in the game, and I think
it's warranted, is if you start in August, do you
miss what could be a very powerful month of July
for the sport, for the country to come together and
and really have the national pastime help to bring us

(02:27:42):
back collectively. And I'm a believer that in so many
different ways that baseball can do the most good the
soonest here because we'll have other sports coming back later on,
we hope in the fall and sort of the late
summer with the NBA and the NHL and and and
also just we can be optimistic that at least in
a lot of areas around our country, we hope that

(02:28:04):
we'll have school back in session in the fall. But
still before that happens, we need, we need something to
rally around and be together, and I think that baseball
could do that, but the moment to do that is
sooner rather than later. Hey, JP, isn't naive of me
to think that the fans come up at all in
these negotiations, Like you see this when couples are having

(02:28:26):
issues with their marriage, trying to sort things out and
they realize maybe it ain't gonna work, but we got
to stay together for the kids. Is there any of
that talk going on? Like, Look, regardless of how ugly
this gets between us during this pandemic, with everything else
going on, we need to provide content at very least

(02:28:47):
just to appease our fans for the time being because
this is this isn't good for them, It isn't good
for us, but it's it's definitely not good for them.
Is that naivety or is there real talk about fans
in these negotiations? Well, I think it's a very fair question.
There should be talk about the fans and and the
future of the game. That to me is is so

(02:29:10):
much of what should be being discussed at the moment
bolt from a standpoint of the economics and perhaps just
as importantly, the cultural relevancy. If if baseball comes back,
I'll take the positive example, your baseball comes back in
the next week with with an agreement, and we start
spring training again and the games begin around the fourth

(02:29:31):
of July. Baseball has a chance to to really have
a very important role for the fans, but also reclaim
part of its longstanding place in the American sports and
American cultural dialogue, which in some ways it has seeded
to football and basketball and soccer as well to an

(02:29:51):
extent uh in recent years. I remember I was at
an event years ago where one of the speakers made
the point that in the nineteen fifties, the three most
popular sports in our country were horse racing, boxing, and
baseball and and horse racing and boxing of course are
not among the top three any longer. And and I
think the point was made that you've got to be

(02:30:12):
aware that sports preferences are not forever, especially for a
sport that has had, uh certainly a good percentage of
its viewership coming from older Americans. That's a demographic issue
that has to be reckoned with. And the way that
you deal with that is by getting the sport on
television sets, on iPhones, on all means of technology, um

(02:30:37):
and and the ability for everybody to watch it, engage
with it, to see these players, get to know these players,
get to know Mike Trout, Mookie Betts, no on Areno,
Christian Yelluch on a more personal basis through this time.
And I really think it's it is not only do
you to answer the question rich for what's best for
the fans, but it's best for the sport and for
the bottom line of the people. I've you know, I

(02:31:00):
you look at the Twitter following of of All Star players,
all Star candidates, great players, and I look the other
day Matt Chapman, a tremendous m VP candidate, top ten
player in the American League. He has ten thousand Twitter followers.
That is far too low for a player of his caliber.
It's not his fault, it's it's the overall conversation around
the game and and his following should be much higher.

(02:31:21):
Not to say that that Twitter is the answers everything here,
but you've got to realize where the game is at
and how you can make your money as a business
going forward. And you make your money as a business
by putting your content out there, and and both the
players and the owners and the fans, it makes a
lot more sense to play than not play. And I'm
a firm believer that if the business grows the way

(02:31:44):
that it should, whatever differences you have financially right now
will be a very very small percentage to the money
that you should be making again together as an industry
in years to come. JP If Rob Manfrey, Commissioner Baseball,
says game season, the pro rated salaries, take it or

(02:32:05):
leave it, what will the answer be from the players?
I think, Steve, the players would play. I really believe
they would. Obviously we'd love to have more games, but
I think that they would play because, first of all,
that was part of the agreement in terms of the
ability to to put on as many games as is possible.

(02:32:25):
And I think the possible part involves the economic practicality
of it. But also I think we realize here the
value in at least crowning a champion this year, having
some revenue for the sport, which is important and sets
you that up to have a better off season and
in season. And that's also where if you don't play

(02:32:46):
at all, what does free agency look like this winner?
So if Mookie Betts would have otherwise gotten if you
would have assumed a normal season for the world and
for him, maybe he signs few million dollars or four
million dollars whatever ends up being. If you consider what
the recent deals have been for Mike Trout and Bryce
Harper and Manny Machado, if he would have normally gotten

(02:33:08):
three fifty and if there's no no games this year,
what does that number become? And and you think about
just for one player, one player, how much money we're
talking in a in a reduction of salary, not just
for one year but for many to come. So that's
where playing makes so much sense, to get back on

(02:33:30):
the field and play. And the other part of it,
in terms of when you start the schedule, guys, and
and you would certainly have a better idea of what
the mouth posts are on this. But but there's there
is a circumstance there going forward, where where the NBA playoffs,
the NBA Finals could be happening right around the same
time as the MLB playoffs, And what then does that

(02:33:51):
do from a standpoint of ratings and conversation. There are
so many different parts of this that that we're in
a unique calendar in so many as. But I still
have to think, Steve to answer your question that forty
games is better than nothing, because for both parties, this
has to be the platform, however limited it. Maybe this

(02:34:12):
has to be the platform for what next year's economics
look like. JP. Earlier today, we got an opportunity to
speak with gene Or is, a former union official, and
he explained to us that many of the negotiations he
took part of, all of which took place in person.
Uh he feels may not have been able to an effect.

(02:34:33):
UH arrived at peace between the ownership and the union
had they not so these virtual meetings. He feels like,
really maybe a factor in how how far apart these
two sides are. Have you heard any of that, like
any of the people who are typically involved in these negotiations,

(02:34:53):
explaining that there's a satisfaction or a distance felt in
these negotiations that differ is from past negotiations. I have
not heard that specifically, but I could see that very
easily being the case. And uh, and and you're exactly
right about the unique times in which we live. I
almost imagine that as as restrictions begin to change and

(02:35:16):
guidance changes in different areas of the country, Hey, let's
let's find the ten most important people. If if if
a gathering of ten is okay, put them outside in
someone's backyard, and and let's let's get this thing determined
that way. Because I think that you're right that there
is that organic I think the in person conversation is
always better first and foremost, and I think the second

(02:35:39):
part of it is there is that certain inertia of
we have all gotten used to this different way of
living these last few months. And and I can only
speak for myself that that when I think about what
it's gonna be like to go to the airport for
the next time and and say goodbye to my family
for just a very unique set of circum stances. Um,

(02:36:01):
it's gonna hurt and it's gonna sting, and I think
all of us are gonna have to get over that
mental hurdle who haven't traveled yet really to have that
mindset of Okay, I'm gonna do this again, and I'm
gonna get on the plane and I'm gonna abide by
these different restrictions to keep me healthy hopefully, but more
importantly take care of everybody else on the plane with
me to keep them healthy. To all those different questions

(02:36:22):
that we're gonna go through, I think rich that there's
a certain amount of inertia that that everybody might be feeling,
like like, hey, I'm home now, I'm not quite so
sure how I feel emotionally about getting out and doing
all this again. So I think that's a very real thing.
And until we get out and do it again collectively
as as a country, even more specifically as a sport,

(02:36:44):
there probably will be that thought in the back of
my mind about do every want to do this? And
I'm sure players, especially those with young kids or or
a spouse who is about to give birth. I mean,
there's a lot of questions that we're all wrestling with
here that I think, uh uh, we have to be
sensitive to from a standpoint of mental health and and
his community and emotions and support that I think are
going to be very very crucial to. However, the support

(02:37:06):
of baseball comes back. Well, just think a week from today,
we're either gonna have really good news if you're a
baseball fan or the ultimate disastrous news. We'll find out. JP,
stay healthy, you and your family, and we will talk
to you next Sunday. Likewise, guys, thanks for all the
conversations and again, well we'll find out together whatever it is.
And and my thanks to you for having me on

(02:37:27):
the show for keeping the conversation going as brilliantly as
you do here all the time. That is amazingly exactly
as we wrote it. Thank you, j J. We appreciate
the amazing how you read that perfectly. John Paul Morossi
joining us right there. All right, So what will our
sports will look like a week from today? We're gonna
tell you coming up next, Steve Harbin Rich Harmburger Company

(02:37:51):
live from the Geico Fox Sports Radio Studios. Want to
thank the guys today, iowas Sam who produced gene Orza,
who admitted even though he is in his mid seventies
right now, ten years he moved from his prominent stance
in the Major League Baseball Players Association that he really
learned everything from a very young Iowa Sam Well. Of course,

(02:38:15):
can I just add Jean would send me the coolest
stuff from Major League Baseball, the coolest stuff. Yes, he
took me a couple of baseball games. He was an
absolute dear friend of mine back then. I haven't seen
him for about twenty years. We've talked on the phone
a few times, but he was nice enough to have
an extent to stay with us today. He was a
wealth of knowledge. Is he Is he a fan of
our show? I think he is all right. That's good
as a fellow New Yorker. That was one of my

(02:38:38):
favorite interviews because, I mean, look, anytime I talked to
somebody with a real thick New York accent, it's my
childhood that I'm like, I'm talking to my phiz teacher,
I'm talking to my SCIENTI like, I mean, that is
my childhood. So that was just very nice to give us. Yes,
that was excellent. Cars David gasco on who is the

(02:39:01):
Man of the Decade, which he says officially doesn't start
until one. There's always a question about one decade start.
Remember the whole nine fiasco two thousand. Is that really
the start of the new century? So when he says
the decade of the twenties, he actually says, uh, it
will start January first. I think that's fair. So well.

(02:39:25):
And then Gavin, who had hoped hoped to bring home
a single cookie, could not. I might do that. I might.
I'm chasing a cookie in the NASCAR race right now.
I bet Brad Kesselowski. Brad Kesselowski. Yes, fun bets where
you bet one against another. So I just bet he
will do better than Joey Logano currently losing that. Well,

(02:39:49):
you got well alright, so um, great job guys. Uh,
and I know cookies are gonna be off for a while. Okay,
no more? Can we give one more shout out to Denise? Absolutely,
she's a confectioner. That's what her official talk like, confection extraordinary.
Are you gonna take that, Steve? I don't know. Yeah,

(02:40:11):
that does sound what are you trying to say that?
What you trying to take it? As? Um, she'll appreciate that,
I'm sure. Alright, So Rich, we sit here today, and uh,
you know, we we predicted a week ago that we
would have a definitive answer with the NBA that was
sort of a free spot on the bingo board. We
knew that was coming. Uh, and we do as far

(02:40:33):
as at least the scheduling of the restarted the NBA season.
Do you believe that we will And we asked this
to John Paul moor Rosie. He believes we will have
a definitive answer by next Sunday. Do you believe that
we will have the answer to whether or not a
Major League Baseball season will happen? In No. And I'm
not disagreeing with him from the standpoint of yeah, like

(02:40:56):
I don't think there's gonna be baseball. I'm saying we
won't have an answer, and it's just simply because of this,
I think that the league year isn't gonna start on
July four. I think the owners are gonna let the
clock tick further until it's just absolutely the only option
to play fifty four games, forty eight games, maybe sixty
games if they meet somewhere in the middle, and then

(02:41:18):
we're gonna have an abbreviated season. It's gonna finish before
the winter months really hit in baseball markets, and everybody's
gonna move on with their lives until the next labor
negotiations come up. Do you think the NFL and everything
that transpired over the last half week with the NFL
is going to be a bigger story in terms of
action or reaction a week from today than it is

(02:41:41):
right now? Or will it already beginning to die. I
think on the NFL front, it will die down, but
the protests will rage on and I hope great changes
made all right, so we will see change. How much
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