The Jason Martin Show: 07/12/2020

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program in the third hour of Well once we get
there and we'll talk college football. We will talk to
Sean Jackson, we'll talk Patrick Mahomes. A lot to get
to with Jeff. Looking forward to, uh that conversation. You know,
I was on the drive in and I was trying

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to decide what I wanted to say and where I
wanted to go out the top of the show, because
there are some things happening. I do want to talk
about Lebron James decision, and I think maybe that's going
to play into what I have to say in this segment.
But things are so divided and so polarized, and I
don't know that I'm gonna help right now. I'm not

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gonna name these writers because I don't really want you
to go find this stuff. I read it so you
don't have to. Yahoo and USA Today have had opinion
pieces written in the last three or four days. And really,

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I guess now because of the Josh Holly situation with
Adrian Mognarowski, the Missouri Senator who wrote the letter basically
mentioning the NBA and China and Hong Kong and things
of that nature, and led to a two word response
from Majorian Wochniowski it wasn't flattering in his email, and
then it was made public. Both of these individuals, Josh

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Holly and Kelly Loffler, who is a well at least
she certainly was one of the owners, one of the
investors in the Atlanta Dreams. She's also a conservative politician.
Both of them. Let me be real with you, Okay,
I'm gonna go ahead and admit something off the top

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before we even get into this. If you want to
say they grand standard, you can say they grandstandard. I
like a lot of what Josh Holly does and what
he has said, and I like that he's willing to
say some of those things. But yeah, you could say
it's grandstanding to put that letter out there into and
all that stuff. I mean, it wasn't gonna change anything.

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Somebody had to finally do that, I suppose, But putting
it out there for the public eye, you can call
that grandstanding. What Lawfler said, I mean, I generally agree
with what she was saying as well. What I don't
agree with, and what I'm not going to sit here
and take anymore, is the idea that all of us

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are ignorant. I'm not going to sit here any longer
and listen to the garbage or read the garbage from
elite individuals, at least in their own minds, who think
that they can say things, who think that they can
make things happen. There's only one Look, there's only a

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couple of ways that this can go. But let me
basically tell you why this has raised my ire, especially
this piece in Yahoo. The problem is this right here.
This from the Yahoo Pies quote. The w n b

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A is a league that is mostly comprised at Black women.
And if those black women and their teammates wearing clothing
that declares black lives matter a k a. Their lives,
their children's lives, their parents and loved ones lives matter,
simply matter offend you, then you have no business as
part of the w n b A. Unquote. I applaud
you because that's correct. Now, stop gas lighting, because that

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is either this is this is the case for this author.
Either she's intellectually disingenuous or she's ill informed on this issue.
Somebody has to say this, so I guess I will,
because the NBA is going to have this across some

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of their jerseys and a lot of money is moving.
That idea that the black lives matter thing is just
a phrase has got to go because it's untrue. If
it changes, I'll be the first one to tell you

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so to say. So this is something you're not supposed
to say right now, apparently, but I don't really understand
because it's just a fact. It is a fact that
black lives matter, but you don't. When's the last time
you donated money to a phrase. When's the last time

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money was being funneled from you or people like you,
your friends, your family members, whoever you are. When's the
last time you donated money to a sentence to a
subject and a predicate. You don't donate money two sentences.

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You donate money to causes, to organizations, to movements, and
in this case, factually, this is not opinion. This is
me telling you the truth. The movement is for a

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lot of things that have precisely nothing to do with
the phrase nothing period. The last number I saw was
six percent of the money was actually going to inner
city communities. A lot of it was going to one
side of the political aisle, which shouldn't surprise anybody, because look,

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if if it's political, then it's probably dirty on one
side or the other. Okay, you can believe the phrase,
and you can believe the sentence, because we're all human beings,
and you read that. That's what's so insidious about this
entire thing. He's NBA players. If I sat Chris Paul down,
if I sat I know one guy that said he's

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definitely wearing a slogan is JaVale McGee. If I sat
these guys down. If anybody sat these guys down and
just handed him a pamphlet and said, hey, here's what
that phrase actually represents right now as a global organization
that's raising millions of dollars, a lot of which you

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don't actually know where it ends up. They are not
transparent about it, but here are the bullet points of
what they believe. First and foremost, Chris Javal or anybody else,
are you a fan of the money that you make currently?
Because under their Marxist communist leanings founded by three women,

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two of which are avowed open Marxists. That's different than
a set It's right. If you're donating money, you're not
donating money to a sentiment. You're donating money to an
actual group, to an organization, to people that are going
to take that money and do something with it. What
are their stated goals? I can't listen to sports columnists

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at USA Today and Yahoo attempt to gaslight you and
act like there's no movement at all. They can't be
this stupid, right. I don't want to ascribe the worst
motives to anybody, but either they're lying to you or
they just flat out have no idea what's going on?

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And I find that so hard to believe and so frustrating.
Kansice Parker, I know she said the same thing. If
you don't believe black lives matter, then you have no
part in the w n b A. Look, if the
w n b A doesn't want Kelly Loffler is a
part of that, then that's the decision that they will make.
Everyone is entire of whatever opinion that they want to have.

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But stop saying that. If you have a problem with
the movement, then somehow you've also disregarded the statement. These
two things are not the same. Period. The reason I
have such a problem with the name as a whole

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is because think about just how insidious it is. Because
the phrase is something you want to wear. The phrase
is something that you want to support. You hear it,
and of course it's an affirmative response. Well guess, knee
jerk reaction. Do you even have to think no black
lives matter? Period? End of story, end of argument. We
don't have to debate this any longer. I'm still trying

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to find somebody in my life who would disagree with
that statement. I don't think anybody listening to me. I
guess maybe there's a couple of nud jobs out there.
But for the most part, nobody would disagree with that statement.
But there's so much that underlies it, and that is
an issue. I mean, I could start some movement that
had the most obvious name in the world that no

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one would disagree with, and then underneath I was doing
heinous stuff. Or I was believing in the destruction of
the nuclear family, an idea of collective ownership, seizure of property,
and an end to parenting in addition to capitalism must
be brought down. These were all things on the official website.

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Don't tell me that when Kelly Loffler says, hey, you know,
black lives matters a little bit divisive that she is
claiming that black lives don't matter. These two things are
not the same. It harms the legitimate cries and the

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legitimate arguments. What was it I said, like a month
ago when I came into this studio, I said, I
don't know how to do my job anymore. Help me
fill in the blanks. Tell me the specific things that
are happening, and I will stand with you and we
will fight to make those will make those changes. Do
I believe we are systemically racist as a country. Absolutely not.

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Do I think we're perfect, Absolutely not. We can always improve,
but we're not getting anywhere when there's a statement that's
fact and that's it, that's it. It's just a bunch
of platitudes. So you've got somebody out here, and I'm
not gonna say stick to sports or whatever. This USA
Today piece basically says these people should stick to politics

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because their takes on sports are awful. And then again,
if you if you don't think that black lives matter,
if you don't believe that these women thinking that their
lives matter is something, then you need to be out
of the w n b A. You can't be serious.
What color is the sky in your world? How can

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you get from this place? How do we get to
a reconcilable place? When these are the ways that we
are discussing things, These are the ways that we are
debating things. We are creating division that shouldn't exist and
doesn't exist. There is a legitimate debate and discussion to

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be had about that movement. There is no legitimate discussion
or debate to be had about that sentence. But as
much as I agree with that sentence, I can't donate
money to that sentence. Now, I can think of causes
that would help that community, and I can certainly pick,

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you know, four or five charities where I think, Okay,
you know what I think that might actually help in
this area. That might help in this area. Yeah, and
I might reach out to try and find out, you know,
if I'm donating money, where could it be best used
to empower that community. There's a lot of positive ways
that we could do this, but one of them is

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not to equate one thing with the other when they're
not and gaslighting people. The cancel culture and all of
the stuff that we are seeing right now ain't good.
Do I think that that's why Lebron James is not
gonna wear a slogan on his jersey? Probably not, But
as I read some of his comments, I found them interesting,

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and we'll talk about him when we come back out
of this break. Lebron is just gonna wear his name,
I think. Was the percentage that I saw are going
to have one of the twenty nine accepted slogans on
their jersey. Do I think that they are Marxists supporting
a communist movement? No, I don't, But I wonder how

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many of them even know that that's the actual connotation
behind the sentence. That is our problem. I wish they
knew what all of us can go read and research
and find so that we could actually have a conversation,

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so we could actually get to some kind of positive change,
because that ain't positive what's being written in USA today
and what's being written in Yahoo. If you want to
say that those two politicians grand standard or just kind
of wanted to have a look at me kind of
moment for their base, I agree. I've seen enough politics
in my forty one years on this earth to say, yeah, okay,

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I know what they're doing their politicians. I might agree
with what they're saying in this case, or I might
disagree with what they're saying in this case, but I
can look at the tactic. I know what's happening. But
you lose me when you go down the intellectually dishonest
or bankrupt, or you're just it out not informed on
the issue at all. It has to be one of

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those things. Unless you're all right, you're either intellectually dishonest,
you're ignorant, or you're a communist. Which one do you
want to be? Which one of those things is most
likely true? So, yeah, you know what, you're not supposed
to say these things. Apparently, at least that's what we're

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seeing left and right. But somebody needs to more people
need to. There's a whole lot of stuff happening right now,
and there's a whole lot of facts that are being
left by the wayside, and I don't think that we
are helping this situation at all. That's why I continue
to ask questions and say, hey, where can I donate

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money where it's gonna help communities? Where are you guys hurting,
Where are the real struggles? What is going on? What
don't I see? What can't I see? Illuminate me at
least mean no, your position, and let's sit down and
let's break bread, and let's try to get to the

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bottom of it. Black Lives Matter is not interesting getting
to the bottom of it as a movement, and the
sentence it's too obvious to have any larger effect. What
are you donating money to? Just remember that Yahoo columnist,

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USA Today columnist. Yeah, I could call their names out,
but I don't need you to follow them on Twitter
or go read their articles. It's disingenuous not to at
least accept the fact that there was a movement and
a sentence period eight seven seven six three six nine.
That's eight seven seven on Fox. So we'll talk about

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what Lebron had to say, and we'll start to bridge
into whether or not sports are gonna happen, because the
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(17:15):
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what Lebron James had to say on Saturday afternoon. I
actually didn't go with a name on the back of
my jersey. It was no disrespect to the list that
was handed out to all the players. I commend anyone
that decides to put something on the back of their jersey.
It's just something that didn't really seriously resonate with my mission,
with my goal. I'm gonna go back to that. But

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he goes forward and says, I would have loved to
have a say so on what would have went on
the back of my jersey. I had a couple of
things in mind, but I wasn't a part of that process,
which is okay. I'm absolutely okay with that. I don't
need to have something on the back of my jersey
for people to understand my mission or know what I'm
about and what I'm here to do. Unquote amen to

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that last sentence. That was one of my arguments against this,
which you look, I'm pretty clear I don't think it's
a good idea, but they voted for it, so they
can do it. I'm gonna it's fine. It's going to
cause some problems. Maybe it won't cause as many as
I think it will. Now I wonder because this look,

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eight percent said yeah, we're gonna do this, but Lebron
James says no. If Lebron says no, is eighty percent
enough to overcome in Lebron James about of the league himself.
The bigger question is why and the sentence. It's just
something that didn't really seriously resonate with my mission, with
my goal. And he said he would have liked to

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have been a part of the process to determine what
he might have been able to put on his jersey.
I'm stunned he wasn't. I'm stunning somebody didn't ask for
his opinion. But when he says I don't need to
have something on the back of my jersey for people
to understand my mission or know what I'm about and
what I'm here to do, that is accurate. That was
my whole point, basically with Lou Williams saying, hey, I

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don't want people worried about our box scores from last
night instead of being in the streets because it's more important.
And I said, Lou, don't you understand that if you
are in the streets, you probably don't care about a
box score. It's not gonna stop you from protesting. Like
if you want to be out in the streets. I
don't think Clippers Sons is gonna keep you at the cut,

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you know what I'm saying. I don't think it's gonna
harden the message. I also think that if you go
play basketball with the jersey that just says Williams on
the back of it, I still know that you have
interests and passions and causes and things you care about.
And I also know that if you want a microphone
in front of you after that game, that will be

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made available to you. And you have a gigantic platform
on social media, and you have any number of other
ways and a ton of resources in your bank account
and elsewhere with which to use your pulpit. That's a

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beauty of America that you can do that. But I
do think it's interesting that he said, you know, I
would have loved to have to say someone what would
have been on the back of my jersey? Lebron says
that black Lives Matter is one that could have been
on the jersey that was one of the twenty nine
excepted slogans. It makes me wonder whether or not Lebron

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knows what I said in the first segment. It makes
me wonder if someone has told him, hey, you know
the movement. I don't know. I can't recall whether or
not he's been wearing the shirt or tweeting out. I
guess I could check. Maybe he is supporting it. He
just someone put on his jersey. I don't know. Again,
I'm not describing the worst motives to the NBA players
or the w NBA players or anybody else because of

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that phrase. I am describing the worst motives to the
people behind that phrase, make no mistake about that. But
there were a lot of things, and someone were pretty innocuous, right, Like,
if you wanted to put a slogan on your jersey,
you it didn't have to be BLM, it didn't even

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have to be you know, and I can't breathe or
something like that. There were ones that like Listen was
one of them, speak Up was one of them, Freedom
was one of them. Peace was one of them. Those
are pretty innocuous. I mean, those are pretty universal. I

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don't know that they're politically charged per se, Like going
with one of those. I just find it intriguing that
Lebron made this choice and he says it's not really
you know, it doesn't really resonate with my mission, with
my goal. What is his mission and his goal exactly?

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JaVale McGee another Laker he chose respect us. Kyle Korver
is gonna put black Lives Matter on the back of
his jersey. Robin D'Angelo would be proud. Lebron also said this.

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It never crossed my mind that we did not need
to play this beautiful game of basketball to bring so
many people together. That brings happiness, that brings joy. I'm
happy to have a platform where not only people will
gain joy by the way I play the game, by
the way our team plays the game, but for also
for what I'm able to do off the court as well.

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We dogged Lebron James a lot, and one of the
main reasons we do it is because he's such a
gigantic superstar that his every move is cataloged and recorded.
It wouldn't I don't think be fun to be Lebron
some of the time, and he certainly raised my eyes

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and led me to roll them at times. But I
want to commend him here for what I just read.
That's a quote that makes sense, folks. We can do
something with that. He understands the value of basketball brings

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people together, brings happiness, brings joy. That's not my words,
that's Lebron's words. Happy to have a platform where people
can gain joy by him on the court, which so
many of us have for years and years and years.
I often say, when you look at the sports world,
think of the blessing we have had to live in

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the times that we have. Yeah, I know this year
is a bad example of this, and it doesn't mean
bad things don't happen every year, But think about the
careers we've gotten to see, basically all of I'm forty one,
I gotta see all of MJ's career, all of Tiger
Wood's career, all of Lebron's career, all of Kobe Bryant's career,
all of Peyton Manning's career, all of Tom Brady's career.
I'm not just naming great players. I'm naming some of

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the all time icons of sports. We're living in a
blessed time, So yeah, we gain joy by the way
he plays the game. There's a ton of Lakers fans.
The NBA is the Lakers, so yeah, a lot of
people are getting joy by the way his team plays

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the game. And then he says, but for also for
what I'm able to do off the court as well,
And that is the key time and place. You'll have
the microphone as soon as the game is over. You
had it before it started. You've got a Twitter account,

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you've got a Facebook account, you've got an Instagram account,
you've got a Snapchat account, you've got a Twitch stream.
You've got a huge sphere of influence. You've got corporations,
you've got sponsors, you've got people that will put together
commercials for you to say what you want to say. Often,
all I said about the jerseys and the courts and

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all of that stuff was during that two or three hours.
Is it okay for me to just want to be
entertained or is that not okay? And if you think
it's not okay, then you shouldn't play. You should be
organizing marches and rallies and everything else and meeting with
every official and ministry leader and politician that you can

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if it's that crucially important to you. But that becomes
an issue, he says, being able to use my platform, us,
the NBA's platform, to continue to talk about what's going on,
because I will not stop until I see real change
for us in Black America, for Africa, Americans, for people

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of color, and I also believe I can do both.
Though we I've started saying this. It wasn't something that
I've used very often in my life, but I've been
saying it seemingly every hour of radio I've done for
the last month. We can chew gum and walk at
the same time. We can do more than one thing.

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Lou Williams, when I see you drop a dime of
an assist, we'll get loose from deep and knocked down
a couple of trays. That doesn't mean that all of
a sudden, you're a basketball player and I don't think
you care about anything else. It just means you're doing
a job in that point, at that moment. If I

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go to home depot and I need to pick up
a grill brush, whoever it is it's helping me. I'm
anticipating they're gonna help me find a grill brush. Doesn't
mean I don't think that they probably care about other stuff.
Just means, how about that girl brush. I don't really
need to hear your take on anything. Really. We can

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have small, small talking pleasantries and hey, if we become
friends or something like that, we can have a discussion,
but I came there to get a girl brush. Can
you show me where those are please, and then maybe
advise me as to which one the best is. You
are elite, You are a superhero in this country. There
are no more, no, nothing closer to superheroes that we

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have in this society just in terms of things that
we can't do than our elite level pro athletes. We're
never gonna have an iron Man, We're never gonna have
a Thor, We're never gonna have a Superman, we will
never have a flash Well, I mean other than Dwayne

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Wade and Shaquille O'Neil. I mean, if there's a reason
why we you give nicknames sometimes two athletes based on superheroes,
because superheroes are able to dazzle us with things that

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we can't even fathom, skills that we just don't have.
Is there a better descriptor out there of what a
pro athlete can do. But just because Lebron James says
I didn't even think we were going to play, I
never that never crossed my mind. And just because he said, hey,

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you know what, putting the slogan does that mean that
I don't think he cares. I'm really just stop and
think about that for a second as we bring in
Brian Finley and find out what is happening in the
world of sports. Brian Jason, we have sports going on.

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I saw the Paralympics on TV last night. Really yeah.
I saw somebody out there with like a blindfold on,
and my wife asked, said, is everyone blind that's running
this race? I wasn't sure. We were at a restaurant,
so we were watching it on a screen. But uh, hey, man,
Paralympics is inspiring. I don't care who you are. Well,
absolutely you. You talked to those athletes and they all

(30:19):
could write books. They all have a story to tell.
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the filter. The featherweight title goes to Alex Volkanowski as
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to grab hold of the bantam weight crown. Lebron James
notifying reporters he'll put his last name on the back
of his jersey and not a social justice message when

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the season resumes. James said, quote, I commend anyone that
decides to put something on the back of their jersey.
It's just something that didn't seriously resonate with my mission,
with my goal end quote. ESPN detected as of Wednesday,
two five of the fifty potential NBA players will replace
that space where you're supposed to have your last name

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with one of the league's pre approved social equality statements.
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because of what Lebron James has done. How that's gonna
affect other players and if they feel like there's less,

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if there's every peer pressure to do one thing or
another based upon what Lebron James does. Well, it's like
you were reading where I wanted to go next, Jez
being that's that's exactly. That's exactly the topic I want
to get into with all of you guys. As a
matter of fact, we're gonna take our break here in
just a second and come back and debate that amongst
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(32:48):
j mart Radio when we come back. What Brian Finley
just said is exactly what I want to talk about
with all of us, as a matter of fact. Is
Lebron's decision that has to hurt for the union, like
there are some guys that have to be bombed out
by this. Will it change things? Will it drop the numbers?
My assumption, my thought would be probably not. But Lebron

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cast a gigantic shadow wields a ton of power in
that league. That right there is not a hot take, folks.
So what does his decision mean and why do you
think he chose to do this? What does it have
to do with his brand, What does it have to
do with his future, What does it have to do

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with his knowledge and maybe things that he's learned. I'm
not sure, but we'll try to get to the bottom
of it. I'll bring in the crew when we come back.
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back to Lebron James. I'm just gonna quote from it.
Not to be outdone. Holly, who is seeking a bigger
national profile, sent NBA Commissioner Adam Silver a letter Friday
criticizing that Leak's plans to honor the Black Lives Matter
movement and framing it as somehow unpatriotic, somehow unpatriotic, Go

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do five minutes of research, columnist before you start typing ignorance.
And that's what I'm saying, Tichnorrance. You just I'm that's
the best motive I can give you is that you

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don't know, so I'm telling you go find out. Okay,
all right, here's what Lebron James said again. I actually
didn't go with the name on the back of my jersey.
There was no disrespect to the list it was handed
out to all the players. I commend anyone that decides

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to put something on the back of their jersey. It's
just something that didn't seriously resonate with my mission, with
my goal. I would have loved to have to say
so on what would have been on the back of
my jersey. I had a couple of things in mind,
but I wasn't part of that process, which is okay.
I'm absolutely okay with that. I don't need to have
something on the back of my jersey for people to
understand my mission or know what I'm about and what
I'm here to do unquote not really. I mean you

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can if you want, anybody out there, uh in l
a can you can talk about what he said. But
what are the ramifications? I think that's maybe the bigger questions.
What are the ramifications of by far the most well
known celebrity player in your sport, one of the most
important players to ever live, Lebron James not doing this?

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Does it have any kind of ramifications past that? Or
is it just a bummer for those that were actually
or the cent or so that are gonna do this
that I imagine probably still will. I think it's it's
one of those things where overall like, okay, if you
don't want to throw something on the back of your jersey, whatever,
but there hasn't been I mean, you know, he does
he Lebron James does plenty. He's done plenty, He's open schools.

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He's taking kids, you know, out of you know, at
risk neighborhoods. You know he's done plenty. But when you've
got something at that is as in the focal point
of the overall nation in the world at this point
in time, it's kind of a kick in the you know,
the kick in the gut for you know, what are
you doing to help right now? You know, you've got
Patty Mills who's donated a million dollars of his pretty
much the rest of his salary for the entire season.

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He might not throw some in the back of the season.
He's doing something that's visually okay, appealing to everybody who's
looking for an answer. And when you don't got Lebron James,
who is the star of the league, not only the
star of the world at this point, you know you're
not you don't You're not gonna push somebody into doing something.
You can't push somebody to any you know, you've got
so many other things with when you're Lebron James, You've

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got so many other things. You know, You've got your
name is a brand, Your name is worth millions of dollars.
So you can't just throw something else in the back
of Jersey without having you know, seventy five other guys
saying no, you can't do that. But when you have
something at that, it's the social justice thing right now,
when you have somebody who's Lebron James, the guy in
the NBA, it's gonna it's gonna be a kick and

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just it's it's it's a detriment to your movement in
a lot of ways where okay, well what are you
gonna do then? And now it wasn't it wasn't just
say I'm not gonna do it, but it was I'm
not gonna do it, and there was no other but
I'll do this, you know, Petty Mills, I'm not gonna
throw this thing up here, but here's a million dollars
in my whole salary for the next two or three
months too, you know, Black lives matters, organization, stuff like that.

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So when you don't have Lebron James being the guy
in a lot of ways where he's you know, he's
been vocalized, and then there's no, there's nothing. It's like, yeah,
I'm being vocal, being vocal. But when you have this
just this, like hey, throw something on your Jersey, and
he's like, I'm not gonna do it. It's it's a
kick in the balls, dude, to be honest, and a
lot of ways what he's been vocalizing for and throughout

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all this, Chris, you're on the board and glad to
have you back after taking last week off, not because
of your own decision, because of reasons um and you
and I disagree from time to time, certainly, but we
do it cordially, I believe. But what do you think
if you had to try and figure this out, what
do you think went into this decision most for Lebron

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James not to do this? M M. I can't really.
I've been trying to wrap my head around it. I
know we've had this discussion before. It's funny enough. This
is our last really big disagreement we had was about
whether or not we hone in on someone and to
that point, I just you know, it's his decision. I
don't really care. It seems to be it doesn't seem

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to be stopping other people who are putting it on there.
I agree that Lebron James has a lot of power,
but I always knew this was going to be kind
of a small ask that we were just going to
clutch pearls over in some way or another. Whether or
not someone has a you know something on the back
of their jersey, I don't. I I don't think it
moves the bar at all if guys want to keep

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doing it. But there were already a lot of restrictions
on what they could put on their jerseys in the
first place. That it was just always going to be
this is gonna be and a dying I hope I'm
using that word right, And it was just gonna be
just you know, a thing. So I it doesn't I
don't think it changes anything. If he decides to sit
it out. It definitely makes it less appealing for some
of these guys. But I mean, if they're changing their

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mind because of what Lebron does, that's on them. Though. Yeah,
I can't imagine they do, because at that point, you
just don't look like you have a spine. Yeah, Like,
if you're gonna put something on your jersey, you probably
kind of have to unless you've had a complete change
of hearts. If Ron had like free range, would he
what would have tossed on the back of his jersey?
I guess, you know, Yeah, that would be a good debate,
that'd be a good discussion to try and figure that out.

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I don't know. I wouldn't imagine any of his corporate
sponsors would have asked him not to do this. So
I'm I'm it's a very curious decision, but I think
it might be a smart one. We'll be right back
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rate quote. Jeff Schwartz, my good friend, will join us
in the third hour of the program. Interested to see
what he has to say about a number of issues,
including college football. But I want to talk real quickly

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and we will talk a little bit about college football
in the conference only schedules, and an interesting piece in
the Wall Street Journal, which is something I've already talked
about for the last couple of weeks on this show,
about what it's going to mean to the smaller schools
that don't get the money that helps fund their entire
athletic budget from going and being a tomato can for

(41:36):
a national power. As a graduate of one of those schools,
I know how much money is involved there. But the
Deshaun Jackson story this week was amazing. I'm sitting there
Monday night and I actually popped on social media, which
is a rarity these days, I guess unless I'm actually

(41:58):
working doing the show. This is about the only time
you'll catch me on Twitter is actually during this three
hour span. But I was on Monday night and it
was one of those deals where I read it and
I was just blown away. I was just baffled. I
was just like, really, he said what he He put
up a screenshot of quotes attributed to who, even though

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Snopes proved that no, that wasn't something that this man said.
And then I saw Stephen Jackson's reaction and I was
just like even more dumbfounded, just be fuddled. But if
you heard the start of this show, you heard me

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pretty fiery going after a couple of reporters who I
did not mention by name because I don't need to.
I don't need to go personal attack here. It's the
opinion and the way in which it was shared to
me that was so disingenuous. Oriel informed one of the two.
But I said, I'll give you the benefit of the

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doubt and just say you don't know the difference between
a movement and a sentence. Go do some research and
maybe you'll understand why there are critiques legitimate about the
movement behind those three words with a period after it
that everyone is saying and putting on shirts and everything else.
But I want to speak larger, and I want to

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speak to Deshan Jackson and this entire story, and it
is what he put out there. There was no doubt
anti semitic and heinous. And we're seeing people getting quote
canceled unquote left and right. And by the way, the

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only way you get canceled is if you allow it.
I've seen a few people say that there are some
people that are just powerful enough, so like, yeah, you
can go ahead and say you that you've canceled me,
but ultimately you can't it. One of the big issues,
whether it's sports or anything else, is that we tend

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and I think we are actually driven and commanded by
whatever Our ideology is exacerbated by social media. We are
encouraged and pushed not just to the extremes, but we're
pushed to vehemently believe that the opposing side has malevolent intent,

(44:37):
that they're evil. There is no more uncool way I
could describe you than to say you're evil. It's like
we're encouraged to look for the worst possible motivation for

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everything that's said and everything that is done. We're not
encouraged to give each other the benefit of the doubt.
We're not encouraged to accept an apology. We're encouraged to

(45:21):
apologize when we haven't done anything, and then it's still
not accepted. I go back to the quote from Captain America,
the first Captain America film. Once they see you running,
they'll never let you stop. It doesn't end, but we

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ascribe the worst motives we do. We just assume or
we're told, hey, that side is evil, and it leads
to contempt and so when I'm looking at this unfold
after the fact that I'm looking at, well, Wow, what

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did Sean Jackson do or what did he say? And
Stephen Jackson, and I'm just like, I can't believe Stephen
Jackson trying to defend this. In my head, I've got
this big tweet storm or I'm trying to just lay
out these giant cases or whatever. And what I ended
up doing because I listened to the only voice that

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I really should ever listen to, the one that will
never leave me astray, I just logged off and went
to bed. It's not that I couldn't have been helpful.
It was that I just didn't need to speak in
that moment. No, but I don't want to ascribe the
worst motives to shun Jackson. I think it's highly possible

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he doesn't really know a whole lot about the Jewish community.
This was bad, folks, real bad. But we can't have
a country, we can't have a society, we can't have conversation.

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If we immediately jumped to the worst possible scenario, we
can't do it. We know you know, wherever you are
right now listening to this program. You know your faults
and your weaknesses, and hopefully you have somebody in your life,

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a band of brothers, a wife, whoever it is, your sisters,
your husband that holds you accountable and helps you see
your blind spots. But the key to holding you accountable

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and seeing your blind spots is that that person does
it out of love, out of a sense of togetherness.
What's happened in society is regardless of whatever group that
you feel like you're a part of or that you
have been placed in, it seems as if the only

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way you can rise is for someone else to fall
instead of the truth, which is we can all rise together.
Just because I become a stronger husband, just because I

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am more confident in how I approach things, more direct,
more decisive, I'm leading, that does not mean that all
of a sudden my wife has lost something. It's a

(49:31):
different example, but it's a true and it's a true
analogy that that. That's what Twitter tells you, That's what
your mind might tell you. Because your mind will lie
to you and your heart will lie to you. Gotta
be careful. Sometimes they will tell you the truth, but
you can't rely on them. They both have agendas. But

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here's the truth. It doesn't weaken my wife that I
become stronger as long as I'm doing it out of love,
as long as I'm doing it out of the right motivations,
as long as I'm doing it for reconciliation, and it
involves repentance and forgiveness, and that cycle over and over

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that strengthens a bond and strengthens a covenant. As I
get stronger, you know what tends to happen to her,
she gets stronger as well. It just depends on motivations.
It depends on how people perceive it from the outside.

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And so I can look at Sean Jackson and I
can look down upon him for what he said, and
I can just immediately say, well, he's an anti semi
or I can just say he just seriously might not
really know, and I could turn out to be wrong
if I give him the benefit of the doubt. But

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I tend to want to because I don't want to
speak out of both sides of my mouth. If I
want you to give someone on my side of the
political aisle the benefit of the doubt, but if I
want to go against the idea of canceling somebody for

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something that they've said or whatever like that, or at
least give them an opportunity to overcome that. Then I
have to do the same thing here. Consistency is key
across the board, regardless of agreement. The same deal was saying, look,

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you don't believe Look if you if you, if you
say you believe in free speech, but you want to
silence somebody that disagrees with you, you really don't. The
test of free each is whether or not you'll go
to the map for somebody that's gonna say something that
you abhor. There's just a there's a lack of love.

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There's a coldness right now. So the de Sean Jackson thing, yeah,
it upset me. Not. I mean, I don't have the
personal experience, certainly as I'm not Jewish, but I was stunned.

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And then Stephen Jackson saying, you know, I'm speaking to
true He's speaking the truth and all this kind of
stuff and saying racism has never been worse in this country.
And I'm thinking to myself, how did you say that
when this was a country that did at one time
possess a whole lot of slaves. How is I'm pretty

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sure that time was worse than now. But alry. Otions
are so charged and we're pulled to the extremes. I
don't want to believe that de Sean Jackson or Steven
Jackson or other people that tried to defend de Sean Jackson.

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In this case, I think Shannon Sharp may have done it.
I don't want to assume automatically, oh well, because they're
on this side, they're clearly anti Semit's like, no, that's
not how this should work. People are very rarely that simple.

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It's real easy to simplistically just look at something or
someone maybe is the better argument here, and just say
you're evil, and usually you're wrong, because people are complicated
and they're complex, and we don't know their backgrounds, so
we don't know what they've learned and what they haven't learned,

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what they've been taught, what they've heard, and what they
haven't heard. De Sean Jackson since this point has done
the right thing. He did it very late. The fact
that he came back out with the fair cons stuff
afterwards after the original instagram, no good. This is a

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bad look. There are a lot of people that would
not survive doing something like this, and if it were
not to juice, specifically, if it were too other groups,
especially right now, I would imagine that career would be
in jeopardy here. But we do have to accept the

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fact and embrace the idea that just maybe somebody is
not as awful as you might think as it might
appear on the s of face. And the reason why
we have to accept that fact is because if we don't, oh,

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because we know, like I told you earlier in this segment,
we know our own blind spots, or we don't know
our blind spots. We know our weaknesses, and we certainly
know that in those moments we would want the benefit
of the doubt given to us. We would want the
opportunity for forgiveness in that situation. We wouldn't want like

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you would never want the worst motives to be attributed
to you, But we never stop and think about that
when we automatically do it somebody else. It's the same thing.
This is another imperfect analogy before we get to break
It's just it's the same thing as you can give
a ton of great advice, but in that same subject matter,

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your life is a travesty. Like you can't take it,
but you can dish it out. It's real easy to
sit on the outside and posture and state things and
all this other kind of stuff. While your life is
a heap of rubbish, we have to remember that all

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of our lives are a heap of rubbish. DeShawn Jackson
had a bad week, bad couple of weeks. I want
to give him the benefit of the doubt. Actions lead
to emotions. We can control actions, we can't control emotions.

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I know how I emotionally felt when I saw that.
But I'm gonna choose in this moment to give DeShawn
Jackson the benefit of the doubt and hope that he
would do the same for me. I hope that you
would do the same for me. I'm gonna make that
choice that I'm gonna let my emotion. I'm gonna control
my emotion based on my action. I don't know what happened.

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We'll talk to Jeff Stuarts about it in the third hour,
and of course he's going to have a unique perspective
as a Jewish Man. But if we would just stop
being on the extremes when we look at somebody that
has done something and immediately just off that person and

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maybe think there's some nuance to be found, we would
all be much much better off. This was an awful situation,
terrible thing. It was as unfortunate as unfortunate gets. I'm
not willing to call to Seawan Jackson evil because I
don't know his heart. We'll be right back Jason Martin Show,

(57:52):
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Rolling right along and Jeff Schwortz will join me next hour.
Stick around for that. Can you find me on Twitter
at JMR Radio. The crew is Chris, Eric and Brian.
Here's Greg Sanky on Saturday. We put a medical advisory

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group together in early April with the question what do
we have to do to get back to activity? And
they've been a big part of the conversation, but the
direct reality is not good and the notion that we've
politicized medical guidance of distancing and breathing masks and hand sanitation, ventilation,
of being outside, being careful where you are in buildings.

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There's some very clear advice about you can't mitigate and
eliminate every risk, but how do you minimize the risk.
We're running out of time to correct and get things
right and as a society, we owe it to each
other to be as healthy as we can be. That
is Greg Sanky, the SEC commissioner. I'm trying to read

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tea leaves here. Big ten conference only schedule, Pack twelve
conference only schedule. That's probably going to continue. A SEC
is going to make their own call. But conference only
could certainly happen. But I'm trying to look further. I mean,

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Paul find Mom On Friday, Folks went on television and said,
you've got to give me a reason. Some of these
commissioners have to start giving me a reason why we
should play college football in the fall, why there's any
reason to try. And then he said, and you can't
say anything about money. And then he said, because it's

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all about money, right exactly. That's the whole point. I
don't understand this. I was saying the same thing about
Dennis Dodd a few weeks ago. Who I mean, I
like Dennis Dodd, but he's writing his own pink slip
day after day pieces about three to seven players are
gonna die in college football if they try to play

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this season. Based on something a computer science professor put together.
You can make the decision for yourself whether or not
you think football needs to be played. But I'm trying
to read t leads to figure out what's actually going
to happen. Here are we going to have a college
football season? And we got the NFL Jaguars capacity, and

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there's sixty thousand seats stadium, everybody wearing masks. What is
the trend right now? Whenever newspaper you read, hopefully you
read something publication of some kind, or at least there's
somewhere you go to get your news. What's the trend

(01:00:53):
when it comes to COVID nineteen. There's something new every
day that should tell you we gotta stop doing what
we're doing. The goalposts keep moving, Things aren't even being explained.
It's just all we're exploding. The countries about the fall apart.
Now you've got the president and his top medical advisor

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seemingly on completely different pages and in public, on different pages.
What's gonna happen to college football? Sanky. He's not saying
they're not gonna play, but he said his concerned for

(01:01:39):
this potential football season happening is high, too very high,
and said we're running out of time to correct and
get things right. Everybody has to decide by the end
of July, as you see has said they will. They
have a meeting schedule on Monday, and they're not discussing
this apparently at that point in time. He said he

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doesn't feel pressure because of what the other conferences have
done so far. He doesn't want to rush into the decision,
which is a smart call. But reading the t leaves
and listening to what we're saying, Adam Silver a couple
of positive tests this bubble con burst. Some baseball players

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still on the fence, some saying no NFL players, a
few of them starting to say no, not a lot.
But if you and the schedule shrinking college football and
the SEC commissioner, who I would think everybody would stop

(01:02:44):
playing football in the SEC, is like, all right, that's fine,
We're still gonna be on on Saturday afternoons on the CBS.
See you then. But that's not what they're saying. And
maybe that's just this is just what you have to
say right now. And Thanky has no in tension. I'm
not playing but this is the safe thing to say.

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But I would imagine that a lot of people in
SEC country, well I happen to live in it, I
would like for him to be on the other side
of this issue and just be a straight up stalwarts
towards this and be like, we are playing football in
the fall. Get ready. And because he's not doing it,
and he's usually he knows how to read a room.

(01:03:30):
He's very good at his job. This is the first
time just reading his statements, listening to what he had
to say on Saturday. This is the first time where
I'm just like, I don't know if we're gonna play
or not. And I'll talk to Jeff about that in

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the third hour. Jeff chorzill join me, and you know,
he holps the daily pack twelve shows, so he can
speak to it from that side specifically, so that will
probably be most of the focus. But are we gonna play?
There was an article in the Wall Street Journal on
I don't know if it came out Friday night or
Saturday morning, and it was about the impact on the
smaller schools relative to college football. I told you that

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about any school's budget in the country comes from football
in terms of their athletic budget. But I went to
a school in Western Kentucky that we went to LSU
one year, we went to Alabama one year, and we

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got truck in those games, and we pulled like a
mill or a mill to one point to mill, one
point four mills, something like that to go take those losses,
to have those experiences, and then that one point to
mill funded a couple of sports or help beef up
the budget. And that's the case across the country. Now.

(01:04:56):
Colin Cowhert made the point on his show late in
the week that it's not the Alabama and the l
s you it's not really their responsibility to hold up
Bowling Green is the example you mentioned, And look, he's right,
it isn't you'd like to think it is. And a
lot of times it is, like when you have these

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in states situations like, yeah, it benefits Clemson to play
Firmin if they're gonna truck Furman, but it also helps
Furman get some people seeing Furmin in the state of
South Carolina that haven't before. It helps their recruiting out,
it helps out the region. It is good for the
community as a whole. But when you look to the

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larger impact of losing, we're talking about some of these
schools have a athletic budget of fifteen million dollars, right,
they play two of these games a year. Maybe maybe
they just play one, but that's still one that are
athletic budget gone. What does that mean for another sport?

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And I don't mean for this season, I mean forever.
That's a large piece of the pie. And that's a
lot of money. It might not be a lot of
money when you have a nine figure endowment. A lot
of these universities don't, not in some of these smaller universities.
And again, right, it's not Alabama's responsibility to hold up

(01:06:23):
some smaller school but that's the way the system has worked.
That's that's the way this has played out. And it
has benefited all parties in different ways than but it
has definitely benefited these small schools because they've had money
that they've been able to use to fund other things
and to try and grow. That's gonna be lost here.

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Even if we do play football with the conference only schedules,
are we gonna play a ten game schedule? Or were
even gonna play ten games? If we do start, are
we gonna finish? These are all questions. Even if football starts,
how good are you gonna feel? Is college football gonna
start on time? And if it's playing in the spring.

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What are the concessions then, And I don't mean hot dogs,
pretzels and sodas, I mean what is the cost benefit
loss situation? Like, what is it that you have to
give up? And one of the big things that you
have to give up? And I heard Clay Travis saying
on his program on Friday was a lot of good players.
That's something I hadn't even thought about. If you're good

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and you're going to in NFL draft, this becomes worse
than playing in a bowl game. Why would you even care?
Why would you do it? Like you'll see almost none
of the great players risk that. And then what does
that mean? You're already gonna have not full capacity if

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you have fans at all. There's just it's a mess.
But I'm still not really understanding why it. It increasingly
feels like the media are rooting for their own demise.

(01:08:15):
These college football reporters that are one trillion percent doom
and gloom. I don't understand that there's gonna be no
reason for their employers to keep paying them if there's
no season for them to write about. That doesn't mean
they need to be propaganda machines to make sure football
is played it means they should probably be a little

(01:08:37):
bit more objective about it. Just it's almost like they're
rooting against it. And weeks ago I didn't want to
kind of believe in that, but it just at this point,
good gracious of all people, fine ball, I doesn't want
to play football. Well, I'm sure he might not. I
mean he's a little bit older, But I what is

(01:09:00):
Paul Findbaum without college football? I can't read the tea
leaves right now. I think if there's a mantra for
it's I don't know what's gonna happen next. I don't know.

(01:09:20):
In February, think of where we were and think of
what was to come. My wife and I for Valentine's Day.
It's our first Valentine's Day, Mary. We went to Universal
Studios for three days in Florida, and we just spent
our entire time in Harry Potter World because we're just

(01:09:42):
insane fans and neither one of us had ever been.
And that was the whole reason we went on the trip,
was to experience that together and to be able to
do it over a multi day deal. And there's people everywhere,
and we had heard about COVID nineteen and my and
my wife's a pediatrician. She's a doctor, so she certainly
was able to educate me about it a little bit

(01:10:03):
before we left. We're down there, we come back within
about three weeks, the whole country is shutting down. Within
six weeks, I personally and furloughed for ninety days from
my job, my regular job, my day to day job
in radio hosting here in Nashville. And then comes George

(01:10:29):
Floyd and everything that's happened since that point in time.
That's the mantra for shot. I don't know, So as
I'm trying to read the tea leaves, I probably just
need to actually take the tea and pour it down
the drain because I don't know. So let's go to
somebody who does know something and get the latest from
Brian Finley out in the update studio, what's going on? Hey, Jason,

(01:10:50):
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afterwards boasting about his accomplishment to ESPN. I'm just I'm
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tools and the and the tourist toolbox, and when I

(01:11:12):
need to pull him out, I can pull him out
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Yawn defacing Jose Aldo via t KO to get DIBs

(01:11:32):
on the bantam weight crown. Lebron James alerting reporters will
use the space on the back of his jersey for
his last name and not for one of the NBA's
pre approved social justice movement messages. Around eight percent of
the players have elected to make the racial equality statements
as opposed to their last names on the back of
their jerseys. Kwhi Leonard is going through the NBA's two

(01:11:55):
day mandatory quarantine after he arrived in the bubble on Saturday.
The team his Clippers, got their back on Wednesday. Jason,
you were talking about this at the top of or
the last hour, about Lebron James and how the peer
influences could have by him not using a social justice
statement on the back of his jersey. Well, I always thought,

(01:12:17):
Jason that the whole idea of standing out was to
be deviating from the norm, and almost everybody is doing
this in the bubble putting a social justice statement. This
is just a thought. I mean, does it does the
message lose its luster? Does it become watered down in
a way, because if you're trying to stand out, you're
not doing that. And this is a completely separate thing.

(01:12:39):
But like for example, like if you have a tattoo,
it's usually thought of as some rebellious thing that's against
the norm. I don't have one, and I feel like
more people have one now, so I'm the rebellious one.
Uh that last point, I agree with you. Um, I
don't have one either. I have no interest in never
getting one. But yeah, you're we're starting to feel like

(01:13:02):
we're in the minority in this situation. What is rebellious?
Does change? And if something is so widely accepted and
out there, doesn't harm the message in this case, maybe
not because everything is unified and based around the same thing.
But it's just a very interesting decision by Lebron James,
and I would love to know what his peers think

(01:13:23):
about it in ways that we're never going to find out.
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(01:13:46):
and I mean, Eric, you were working from home, but
obviously we weren't able to actually hear from you. Um,
I imagine, But tell me if I'm wrong. Are you
guys the same as you were a week ago? More
certain or less certain in the college football season based

(01:14:06):
on the event? So the last I would say, in particular,
the last probably two or three days, the last seventy
two hours or so. Uh, I don't know, it's weird, man.
I mean I'm more certain in a way that I
feel like there will be an a version of college football.
You know, I don't know exactly what it will look
like in a in an overall encompassing fact of like
sports in general, it's gonna be weird. You know. What

(01:14:28):
we see is this is not gonna be what we're
used to. The whole conference only play is I guess
in a way a step in the right direction to
seeing it played. Um, But I mean, I don't know.
It's it's the Pack twelve of the Big ten. They're
both all kind of gonna come out, but like, oh yeah,
we're doing our own thing the SEC. It's just but
I don't I don't know if it's it's the right step.

(01:14:51):
I mean, you've got in state teams that aren't gonna
play each other just because they're not on the same conference.
You know, You've got Florida Florida State. They are't gonna
play each other just because they're a SEC SEC stuff
like that. But I mean, I guess it's a step
in the right direction just because the fact that you know,
we will have in some way a Big ten only
a bit a Pack twelve only, probably an SEC only
kind of thing. Just but I guess it's a step

(01:15:11):
in the right direction because there will be in some
way some kind of games. But I don't know if
it's at the right step, if it's just an overcorrection. Um,
But I do feel that there will be in some
essence in some part of the of America. In the US,
there will be college football played. I don't know exactly
who will be playing or know where that we playing,

(01:15:32):
but I do think there will be somewhere there will
be a college football game played this year. If I
had to detect something right now, if there was just
something that was kind of going off and my smighty
sense was tingling, it's last resorts. And the one thing
I'll say before we get to break, and then maybe
we can continue this discussion. On the flip side, is

(01:15:55):
there's nowhere else for them to go from here, but
we're not playing football. This is the furloughs to keep
from laying people off in your company. This is the
absolute last thing that you can do to try and
keep a college football season alive. So then I again say,

(01:16:20):
watch the trends and look at this. Where is the
pressure coming from? I'm gonna ask you if this question
directly because I want to know what he has to
say about this. Where is the pressure coming from that
is trying to stop them from playing? If the players
all want to play, if the coaches want to be

(01:16:41):
there and do their thing, where is this pressure coming from?
And what else can you do from here? Now that
you've gone conference only everything else. What else can you
do other than not play? That's why I think we
are really on a sea saw, and and it's it's

(01:17:02):
a volatile one at that is a very precarious spot
college football finds itself in. I'm still in the camp
saying please play football. We need football. But also I
just don't understand. I don't understand the panic right now
surrounding college football. I think a lot of people are

(01:17:22):
being dishonest. We'll be right back Jason Martin Show, Fox
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(01:17:46):
Her from Eric b. If you're near the mic, you
can certainly talk Chris as well, more or less concerned
this week than you were last week about college football
actually happening a little more concerned right now. I'm not
to lie it. And it's not just because we lost
Wisconsin Notre Dame. I think it's kind of a prelude

(01:18:06):
to what's what's going to happen with this. It seems
like it's hedging a bet and kind of saying, hey,
it's a little up in the air. We don't really
know what's going to happen right now. And especially I
think they're waiting for their own universities to to figure
out how they're going to deal with the virus in
a larger you know, student body context as well as well.

(01:18:28):
And I I feel bad for the small schools and
this because I think we as national sports talk radio sometimes,
like you you talked about how important is the community,
but it's also important to the fact that college athletics
should not We we talked too much about college athletics
in the in the sense that you know, we only

(01:18:48):
think of them as in a matter of do you
generate profits to your university where you are dream on resources?
We don't. We've we've turned everything in our society now
into a matter of do you make us money or
do you cause to money rather than you know, existing
for the sake of bettering people. And I guarantee you
that you know, people don't care when we're slashing swing programs.

(01:19:10):
They'll care in like twenty thirty years when the US
isn't winning any gold medals anywhere for anything, you know,
at the at an Olympics, if people still care about
the Olympics at that point. But to to college athletics,
I I'm I'm a little more concerned because I don't
even know how you work these schedules out. How you
even have a playoff poll when you you're just you're
down to ten games now and there's even less How

(01:19:34):
how will you even play the playoffs? If doesn't feel
last resort like what I was saying at the end
of the last segment, doesn't this feel like this is
like there's nowhere else you can go from here? But
all right, we're not playing football? Yeah? If if if
the Big Ten's policy is they for their their explanation
is we are doing this policy because we control the
testing now, And how are you going to do the

(01:19:54):
college football playoffs at the end of the year, like
you're gonna you're gonna be playing other conferences? Then are
we just not gonna do it? And then there's this
whole Notre Dame argument, this entire da gonna play football
at all that that would be a huge blow for
the sport and and for NBC, who carries their their
their games as well. Yeah, I mean, they do matter

(01:20:15):
whether or not you find them to be, you know, irritating,
you think they're over rated or whatever like that. Personally, Yeah,
I see they're They're a big draw, really really big draw.
Another big draw. Patrick Mahomes, that dude just got paid.
We will discuss his contract, plus Jeff Schwartz coming up,
third and final hour of the program this week. Hope

(01:20:37):
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(01:20:57):
on Twitter at JMR Radio. Next segment, Jeff Schwartz played
in the NFL for a long time. His brother plays
for the Kansas City Chiefs. Now, good friend of this program,
good friend of mine. He'll join us. We'll talk the
state of whether or not college football is going to happen.
We'll talk to some NFL Patrick Mahomes. I want to

(01:21:18):
get his thoughts on the de Sean Jackson controversy as well,
so stick around for that. But Patrick Mahomes did in
fact get rich this week, as he should have in
the ultimate meritocracy that sports exists. To be twenty four

(01:21:38):
year old twelve years could end up being worth five
d and three million dollars. That's a lot of money.

(01:22:00):
But there's just a few numbers I want to put
out there that are also big in addition to that,
five oh three in terms of the millions, about three
nineteen four eighty four for sixty six. That's his completions,
his attempts in his completion percentage last season in fourteen games,

(01:22:22):
because he missed a few because he was banged up,
and even when he came back, he was still a
little banged up. And he threw for a ridiculous amount
against Tennessee Titans in the regular season through for four thousand,
thirty one yards two eighty seven point nine per game.
That's only gonna grow. I would say twenty six touchdown passes.
You probably thought there were more just sacks seventeen times.

(01:22:47):
His old line is fantastic. Seventy six qbr a one
oh five pass a ready five dred some million dollars
could be five oh three. And I didn't even batn eye.

(01:23:09):
I was just like, Wow, that's a lot of money
and he should be paid every cent of it, barring injury.
Why wouldn't you do this for the Chiefs? Like this
seems like a win for them. Yeah, they've dropped half
a billion dollars on this guy potentially. But we've already

(01:23:30):
seen what Pat Mahomes can do and he's twenty four.
How many times have I told you in the past
when we've looked at quarterbacks and numbers, that twenty nine
is when a quarterback peak, so they for five years
away from that. Is there any reason to think that
what we've seen from Mahomes on the field over the
past two years can't continue. Does that feel like an aberration?

(01:23:52):
Does that feel like something he can't duplicate week after waiting. No,
And when you look at the way sal recap moves,
and you look at the way total revenue moves, and
you look at the way quarterbacks are being paid, and
the way the market fluctuates and the way it continues
to grow, I thought about this and I was like, Yeah,

(01:24:14):
you go ahead and sign him right now, because if
you don't, you're probably paying him even more a year
from now. This is one of those moments where you
tell a guy we want you here, and we're not
going to low ball you. We want you here. You

(01:24:35):
are valued here. Yeah, he's got roster bonuses and he's
gotten incentives and all this other kind of stuff. But
even if he doesn't hit all his incentives, I mean,
it's still a ton of money. But you can think
of some of the deals that have been made with
other quarterbacks where you can really look at those, like

(01:24:56):
golf for instance, and now saying yeah, I don't know,
that's one I need to take an L on. By
the way, I always preach taken l when you get
something wrong. I thought the Goff deal made sense because
even if he was just a system guy and it
was all Sean McVeigh, he had Sean McVeigh. So I thought, okay,
well he's got seanmvey, he'll be fine this season. To
referendum on Jared Goff. He comes out there and struggles. Again,

(01:25:17):
that's three or four that ain't good, and okay, but
mahomes in this case, it's completely different. This pays off
of the chiefs. It locks them into once you find
out and once you know there's there's really no argument

(01:25:40):
that he's the greatest quarterback in the NFL. There is
no more important position in all of American team sports
than an NFL quarterback. So he's the best at the
most important thing in the sport that's now generating the
most money in the world or in the in American sports.
I should say we're let's stop with the world, because

(01:26:00):
I know soccer exists. So all of those things plus
six completion percentage plus I still don't even think we've
seen the best he can be yet. I mean, he's
only played two years. If I'm a Chiefs fan, I'm

(01:26:22):
just ecstatic right now. Unfortunately, I'm a Denver Broncos fan,
which means, oh man, I'm gonna see this guy for years. Luckily,
I'm also a sports fan and someone that covers this
for a living, and so yes, I get to watch
this guy play. Remember earlier, I was saying, we are
blessed to live in the sports time that we have,

(01:26:42):
at least for me at forty one, and maybe you
if you're around my age, or even if not, you're
watching a lot of some of the greats we've ever
seen that have changed sports, like total transition kind of players,
even like a Steph Curry. You're getting to watch his
entire career, Lebron Kobe Shack, Michael Jordan's Magic Bird, Zeke

(01:27:04):
Tim Duncan, like the list goes on and on. Then
Brady Manning and everything else, Aaron Rodgers, whatever sport it is,
Mike Trout, one of the greatest baseball players ever in
any era in the sport that's all about numbers. And
here we are getting to watch all of Pat Mahomes's career,
and yeah, get used to seeing him in that in

(01:27:24):
that color scheme because they were able to set their
future in motion and tell their fans, Hey, you can
go out and buy this jersey. This guy ain't going anywhere,
not like anybody thought he was. But you look at
the money, like you remember when a Ray got paying
people like, why in the world would you pay him

(01:27:45):
that much money? Anybody saying that about Pat Mahomes right now?
If they are, please tweet me at j MAR Radio
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that's on record. Yes. Could he get injured and his
career get completely sidelined. Yes, that could happen. Barring that,
what's the problem, what's the downfall? Sometimes you see special

(01:28:08):
and when you see special, in my case, I married her.
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(01:28:51):
how are you man? How are you doing? It's been
what a week since we've done a week of radio.
Haven't watch the Future yet, so which I know is
not so into you, but um, I mean, look, when
we last talk, I think I was very optimistic about
coming back in oh yeah, alright, alright, so yeah, let's
let's go there, Let's go there. I actually I'm saying

(01:29:14):
there listening to Paul fine Ball yesterday. I just saw
a clip on Friday, I guess he was on TV
saying I need a reason why we would play college
football in the fall. And it just seems like I
keep hearing that everywhere, and the more you hear it,
and now you've got you know, you do your Pack
twelve shows, so you're really tuned into them, and here
they're going conference only, Big tens going conference only. This

(01:29:37):
is this to me feels like this is the last
stop before there's no football. Like they're trying everything they
can think of to keep football on the table, but
this seems like one of those last options. The next
thing after this is okay, we're not playing. Yeah, there's
there's right. One is that is that the amateur nous

(01:29:58):
of these players, right, so for you're asking other sports
things to come back, they're getting paid, at least right
paid the play through this. And I understand that you
know that you might disagree with the severity of the pandemic,
but nonetheless that's to me that that I think it's
kind of bothering people, right that you're kind of quote
unquote forcing the kids about who by the way, you
probably want to play, right. And then I think the
other thing that is um that makes this really really

(01:30:21):
difficult for the for the schools is that the n
C Double A has said we're at right. They folder
they're not helping that protocols or guidelines or issuing any
sort of decrees for how this season is going to go.
So you're leaving it up to the schools, the states,
and the conferences decide how to navigate the season, where

(01:30:42):
in other sports leagues you obviously have a union. You
have you know, a small amount of teams compared to
the into Double A, and they're working together to make
a solution to get back on the field, right. I mean,
you know, the NFL hockey just I think agreed to
the c b A and in their game back and
baseball basketball everyone has worked together. And well, you know

(01:31:02):
the NFL, there's some animosity there right now, but I
think in the end they'll get it work. Is because
there's nothing in college football, right, every conference for themselves,
every states for themselves, every schools for themselves, and there's
just a lack of leadership. So that's why I think
we're seeing kind of the splintering of the process between
the Big ten obviously and now and saying hey, we're
going to conference only. The pactrol following student the SEC

(01:31:24):
is saying, wait, wait, no one told us what's happening,
and you're just find a situation where where we're very disjointed.
And I think that's the reason why UM and the
conference only schedule, in my opinion, makes a lot of
sense from just a logistical standpoint. UM. It's it does
the latest season probably for about three weeks, so allows
them time to kind of figure out what their next

(01:31:47):
steps are. And I think the hope is that this
current kind of spike we have right now subsides in
next month or so, right and then and then you know,
you can easily kind of get back to play in
my opinion, because buy some time. UM. But you know,
I think there's some there's some logistical benefits to this UM,
like I said, because there's gonna be a very wide

(01:32:09):
range you know, wide ranging protocols depending on your conference,
are are on your state. I do think there is
some worry that we're gonna have different protocols for different
states and and conferences, and this is a way for
your conference, especially at West. Like you mentioned you packtrol radio.
I've talked to Larry Scott, who I hope he gets
better from COVID, and the overst Athletic director Scott Barnes

(01:32:32):
has been very vocal on this. I think there's a
worry Jason that let's say the Pack twelve and there
are six states out West have very strict socialist in guidelines.
They're wearing masks in public, um, they're testing their kids
every day, and they're doing everything they can possibly to
keep everyone healthy, which is you know that's not always

(01:32:52):
gonna happen. And then you play a school from a
different conference that's doing the minimum requirements right like they're
not testing every day a their their bars are open
in their city, the kids are going bars and and
and then you play each other and all the work
you've done to keep your kids healthy out West, now
your kids gets stick in the game, and then it

(01:33:12):
spreads around your conference. I mean that's the worry, Jason.
Whether or not that's rational, I'm not quite sure, but
I think that's the concern. And I goes back to
the n c double A just advocating all duties like
they're like, we're not doing any of this, and so
now we have a disjointed college football season because no
one wanted to take responsibility at the top. But are

(01:33:32):
we going to actually see a season if you had
to predict it today, do you actually think they're going
to get this done? Or is they gonna pull Are
they gonna pull back even further? You know that I
have been the biggest proponent for football being back. I'm
not one of those. I'm not one of those, um
what do islay called them? Coronavirus bros. Even though I
would say I would say, like I would say on

(01:33:54):
the on more of the conservative side as far as
how we should be a society right now, I mean
I could, I could. I'm still rooting for football to
come back. Um I would say the school don't want
to play the one everyone wants to play, Okay, And
I think that's important here, right is that if you
look even on social media, we saw usual as quarterback

(01:34:16):
say I just want to play. We saw Justin Fields
put out a videos thaying like I want to play
to just wear your mask. I think that everyone wants
to play. I think the commissioneresn't want to play, ad
s want to play. UM. So it gives me hope
that they're going to try to make this work. I
just think in the next month it's very critical to
see the numbers go down. UM. And if we can

(01:34:38):
do that and kind of not even just flatten the curve,
just kind of go just go you know, lateral, UM,
I think that there is a good, a good, a
good way we can come back. So I'm so confident
that this conference only schedule work. It's probably delayed about
a month for the season, and they'll try to get
their games in as best as possible because again, everyone

(01:35:00):
wants to make this work. The football budget, it's of
the athletic department. UM. And that's the uncomfortable part about
this is that the reason that the kids are going
back to play is because of that. And so I
also think, look, we talked about this on you know privately,
on on you know text change during our shows that

(01:35:22):
we do is that you know, the data changes so fast, right,
I mean just you know, just today I saw there
was an article about about you know what you know
what you know what coronavirus could do on the body
because it just got released. I mean like they're they're
just the studies and the vaccine test and what medicines
can work on with don't if it's so new that
it's just it just continues to move right, And so

(01:35:44):
I think that giving yourself one more month to figure
it out, because the kids are supposed to be back
on Monday in most places kind of mandatory activities started,
it just buys it time, Jason, and I think that's
what in the end they're trying to do. Just Hey,
in one more month, we'll have more data, hopefully things
are looking better around the country, and we go back

(01:36:04):
and play college football. So I'm so positive that we're
gonna have it alright, Jeff, So, where is the pressure
coming from then, on Sanky, on Scott, on all of
these commissioners, and on college football as a whole not
to play? Then, Like what you just laid out is right.
The players are saying they want to play, the coaches

(01:36:25):
obviously wanted, uh, the universities wanted. Where is the pressure
coming from? Where is the pushback coming from? Then? Unless
we're just talking about the media, who shouldn't have the
power to dictate this debate in any way. I don't
think it's the media, Jason, I really don't. I I
know that people like to say that about these situations.

(01:36:48):
I understand how it can easily feel that way because
the media does feel very powerful. But um, you know,
big institutions like you know, a conference, Um, you know,
it does not give an I'll give example the Path twelve. Right,
fans are pissed to the Pack twelve that doesn't have
a better TV deal. Right. I mean if if the fan,
if fan anger and media anger was was a driving

(01:37:13):
force and decision making process all the time, the Path
twelve would have ripped up their TV deal and got
another one, right, Like, it's not. It's like I think
that it's a business decision. I think they're looking at
it from the state level, from the county level, and
they have their doctors, and they have the people that
they trust within their their conferences, and they're deciding that

(01:37:34):
it's not safe to go back. And i'mline those meetings.
I don't all those doctors, um, but I think that's
that's what it comes down to. Think again, they don't
want to play football, guys. The idea that like they
are listening to the media and shutting down. I think
it's just not accurate. I think they all want to play.
And the last thing I'll say here is the liability issue.

(01:37:54):
And I do not know exactly what they'd be liable
for and what they could be suited for and whatnot,
but I think that always plays a role in decision
making process at the high at the highest level of
any of this stuff. I think we have to consider
that really when a lot of theseusions are always made
and big companies, big corporations, college football like this is

(01:38:16):
is they're going to be a lawsuit, and I think
they're working through the liability part of this. And again,
it would be tough to prove that you've got stick
like like you know, at at a college football game,

(01:38:37):
let's say, um and And I think that's what the
concerns Jayson, is that I just feel like there's a
liability thing here that it's not fun to talk about,
but it's probably driving a lot of decision making process.
If we flip now to the NFL, there's a couple
of things. It's one, I guess celebratory thing. I know
you, you you know, you certainly like the Chiefs. Your brother

(01:38:57):
plays for the Chiefs. You like, Andy Ree, Um, what
was your initial reaction when you saw the number attached
to the Patrick Mahomes deal. Maybe the length of the contract,
maybe the overall money involved here. It seemed like to
me when I looked at it, I should have balked
at it a little bit, but I didn't. My reaction
was like, yeah, go ahead and lock him up now,
because it's probably only going to get more expensive unless

(01:39:19):
something catastrophic were to happen the way that you can't
really foretell. Here's one. A few times, I feel like
a team and a player both winning a deal. Um,
you know, pal Mahomes gets security obviously a four hundred
and seven seven million dollars and then you get the
five O three with with you know, with everything else

(01:39:40):
was in there, and the Chiefs get you know, guaranteed salary.
Basically they can instruct their roster knowing that their salary
is set at a certain number for so many years.
And I think it's a win win for both. Um.
You know, the the guaranteed mechanism is making very very
hard for the Chiefs to really get out of this
deal at any time. Um, they have to do it

(01:40:00):
basically three years beforehand, and so that basically puts a
lot of money into Pats pocket. And I think, um,
you know, the Chiefs, like I said, to now construct
their roster knowing that they have pad on it for
twelve years. And if you look at even the cap
member for the next few years, it's very cat friendly
and it's it allows the Chiefs to be able to

(01:40:22):
continue building their roster really not to tinue to build
keep the roster. That app all their players except Frank
Clark are under contract right now, right Tyreek and Travis
Kelsey my brother and Fisher and left tackle Tyron, Matthew,
Frank Clark, Chris you know, and Chris Jones does lose
on the franchise tag Mahomes is paid now, Um, you know,
so you have flexibility if you want to go out

(01:40:44):
and get a couple of players. And this this really
kind of feels like a win for the Chiefs too.
How do you look at something like what happened with
the Shawn Jackson this week and we saw the story
and we saw the reaction, and you know, I've already
talked about a little bit on this show, and how
do you punish or how should you did judicate things

(01:41:07):
people say that are objectionable. Now, I know, detrimental a
team and things of that nature. But but if you're
Philadelphia Eagles in this situation or the Riley Cooper situation
in the past, or anything like this, how do you
handle this as an organization? Well, I don't. I don't
think there's an actual there's a standard. Um. I think

(01:41:28):
that you take each case by itself and you work
from there. And so with the Sean Jackson. In my opinion,
the education part of this is so important and I
think that's what they're doing now. Um is you know,
just educating. This is why people are upset about your
comments and not on the comments but Instagram post and

(01:41:49):
this is why you know Jewish people, um, you know
do not appreciate you know, what you said. And I
think that that's the best thing to do here is
to go ahead and just educate. That's it and that
and the thing that's like, no one was kind of
replying to math from Jenkins. Um. I understand what he
was saying, um in his in his thing, But no

(01:42:10):
one was asking you to like go out of your
way to defend Jewish people. I know, I wasn't. I
know the other Jews. I don't think we're either. All
we wanted was for you to say, hey man, this
is anti semitic. I don't approve of it. You know,
we shouldn't be doing this. But no one was asking
for a long winded defense of Judaism, and no one

(01:42:31):
was asking for, you know, a passionate plea for Jews
in America. We were just asking for you to say
that's anti semitic. I don't you know we we don't
value this um as a movement or I personally denounced
anti Semitism and and those in those colors. That's all
we asked for. It wasn't like we asked for, you know,

(01:42:53):
a broad movement to help Jews in America. Who, by
the way, look we're doing for the most part. I
know there's an incidents and I you know, I'm not
gonna for everybody, but doing okay, right, And we want
to ask you for like a grand jester or just
be like, hey man, now's infestematic. We don't value that,
we denounced that and move on in that something about
like I just it's been kind of curious, is that

(01:43:13):
you know, wild players just can't say that I'm just
I mean, I have a theory. I think I know why.
But it's just it's been interesting in the West. Dare
I ask you what that theory is, because now I'm ventured.
Well here's why. Okay. Um, So you know, in a
locker room, you have obviously different races, right, white guys,

(01:43:33):
you're you're black guys, and and you become friendly with them, right,
And it's very easy to see one of your teammates,
um anger, frustration and passion for Black lives matter, let's say, right,
or or something else that that's really passionate to them.
And so it's very easy to to to join their

(01:43:54):
cause and to be very supportive of that, whether you
whether you agree or just a with the movement, or
whether you agree personally with their political views whatever. It's
very easy to say, hey, man, you're my teammates, you're
my friend. I'm with you on this, right, just just
I'm with you. I'm supportive of of your of your
of your movement, of the way you feel, and I

(01:44:17):
acknowledge your feelings. There's no Jews in the NFL, at
least three of us, right, um, And so it's it's hard,
in my opinion for players to be like, I'm supportive
of the three Jews in the NFL that I don't
ever talk to about Judaism, right, Like it's hard to
just to just to understand why those comments were taken

(01:44:41):
in a way they were. And that's why I think
that Sean Jackson learning about Judaism. He talked to a
Holocaust survivor. I mean, I don't know how you can
view um Jews in the way that that he at
least the quote he put out when you talk to
a Holocaust survivor and I saw, I saw the picture.
I mean, dude was wearing his jail as jail with

(01:45:02):
his Holocaust his his contractions camping uniform, Like how do
you how do you not understand where Jews are coming
from when you talk to a guy like that. So
so that's why I think is I don't think it's
like I don't think that that And there are some
players obviously have like a Mr. Graham post, which is upsetting,
But I just think it's the lack of education about Judiasm.

(01:45:23):
And I have had these conversations with players in the
locker room and it really is, I mean, guys just
do not understand Judaism and UM I know you're very religious, Jason,
and you know, religion GUIDs guys your life and your principles. Um.
And it's just it's surprising sometimes that players who are
very religious, and the locker room is a very religious place, right.
We said Lord's Prayer before and after games there's team

(01:45:45):
prayers or chaplains and you know the Bible studies. It's
always surprised me kind of the lack of knowledge about
Judaism and times. I mean, I know about your religion
very well. I don't know if it's because I've tried
to learn about it or I've had so many people
ask me about about Jesus and what Jews believe. Me.
I know what you believe very well. I feel like

(01:46:08):
it's not returning the other side. And that's mostly because
you just most people don't know a lot of Jewish
people were very small percentage of the population. Um. And
you know it's on as we go out of our
way to preach about Judism. So that's why I think that. Um,
it's just so you're saying there's there's actually a level
of I mean, well it's the wrong way to say this,
but really it's just there's ignorance to the cause. There's

(01:46:30):
ignorance to that group. There's ignorance to that past amongst
the a lot of people in America and certainly athletes,
because it's just something like when you're in the locker room,
you're not going to encounter that, whereas you are going
to encounter a lot of these other causes. Which then, Okay,
now that I keep hearing it and hearing it and
hearing it, I understand I can sympathize, I can even

(01:46:53):
stand with you, I can march with you, and it
just kind of works that way through Osmoses. Yeah, I mean,
I'm just I'm the thing that I found in the
last couple of days. It's really surprising to me, is
is how um, you know, like the idea that that
the Jewish people are holding someone else down. Um, we
have been discriminated against and we were exterminated. I mean

(01:47:15):
it was World War Two. Wasn't that long ago. I
mean it was a couple of generations. But like I mean,
in the five we're still people a lot of the
thought in the World War Two. There's still obviously Holocaust
survivors who are alive now. I mean they're older in
their nineties, but they're still here. Um. And you know,
the idea that like that Jewish people, um have not

(01:47:37):
fought to empower minorities. UM. It's been the kind of
the most striking thing I found this week is that like,
that's just not true. You can, yes, there are just
like in every religion or culture or race, there are
bad apples. And I'm not just saying that Jews are perfect.
That that that would be a lie and that's just not true. Um.
But for the most part, that is something that that

(01:48:00):
Jewish people have always steen for us empowerment of everybody,
but empowerment of minorities and helping people of color try
to succeed. And so it's been really odd to see
this kind of push and in the fortune of some
athletes have felt this way that we're holding them down.
And and I just through my experiences in life, through

(01:48:21):
what I've learned about Judaism, from my upbringing, from looking
and learning about history, it's just not true. And so
that's the thing that's really been surprising to me through
this whole process, is that idea that like that that
you know and at least look at least Malcolm Jenkins
basically said like we're not enemies, which I appreciate it
at least um that's true. So it's just been it's
been interesting to see that whole thing playoff. This is

(01:48:43):
I really I sort of knew about it, Jason, but
not really until this week that that there was a
large I'm gonna say a large population, but at least
people that believe, um, that kind of we're the bad guys. Well,
I mean, I I think I'll say this on the
way out. First off, this is this is a day,
this is this is a morning in which I am
very grateful to have you as a friend to listen

(01:49:04):
to the way that you just broke that down over
this last handful of minutes, and and just the very
caring way in which you let that out. I think
the one issue here is that there is a large proponent,
especially of the African American community, at least a large
proponent that does listen to I'm not saying there's a
majority of people, but the large group that listens to

(01:49:27):
a Louis faricon and doesn't realize what they're listening to,
and that stuff just kind of filters through and and
they don't realize, they don't even understand the gravity of
what he's saying, or the danger potentially or the division
and what it is that he's saying. And I think
that that's the kind of thing that leads to this,
and it might even lead to kind of thing like
we saw with Stephen Jackson's reaction. Yeah, and I think that, Um,

(01:49:52):
you know, it's it's easier more than ever, I think,
with the Internet and with and with small sound bites
and small clips to really find, um, whatever you want
to back up your opinion without actually doing m's research.
And I think that what's your point. Um, It's very
easy to see a clip of Louis Fericon and it's

(01:50:14):
something you agree with and in that moment it might
not be anti Semitic, right, But then if you just
do your research on what he has said in the past,
and um, you realize, yeah, you don't like Jews um.
And there's no debating that. I mean, there's literally no
debate like that. There's no debate on that. And so
I think it's really easy, like I said, to just

(01:50:35):
see a minute cup of his where he doesn't talk
about Jews um and be like, oh, this guy is
not anti semitical, He's not anti Semitic. He's just he's
for black empowerment. And that's the thing. It's like, you
can IMpower. We need to get to a point, I think,
jeffre we realize you can empower a group if you
want to. You can empower one group without having to
go after another group. And that's what it sometimes seems

(01:50:57):
like in order to oh, we're doing black empowerment here,
so we to take it from here. No, no, you
really don't like we can we can lift all ships here.
We can walk and chew gum at the same time. Yeah,
and so look, I hope that this was a good
opportunity for players to learn about Judaism, to learn about
the history of Jews. And again, I don't think we're

(01:51:19):
asking for you to feel sorry for Jewish people. I'm not.
I'm not going to speak for all Jews. I just
think we literally wanted like, hey man, this is anti
Semitic language. It's bigotry, and it doesn't we don't stand
for it. That's all we wanted someone to say. That's it.
It wasn't like we wanted you to come out and
like donate to Israel and until to go to synagogue.

(01:51:40):
It's just was like, hey, man, like just acknowledge that
this is anti semitic and and move forward. So I
hope that this was an opportunity for Deshaan Jackson, which
I think that Danty is learning about. I don't know
Ifteven Jackson's gonna take the time that to learn why
his comments were taken, um in a manner that they were.
And you know, we'll, uh, we'll see if if things

(01:52:04):
change or someone post something different. And I just I
didn't think this would continue, like don't. I mean, I
didn't think that Malcolm Jenks would be on until on Instagram,
and I thought to be over. But it still continues
to to go and move forward and nothing is over
except my quest to get you to watch back to
the future Jeff. That that. I mean, look, there's still's July.

(01:52:26):
I don't even know when the data is gonna July
July eleven tonight, um and uh and yeah, I mean
you know, still there's still a happy half of year.
If we don't have football, I'm gonna have something that
I need something to do, so maybe I'll get it.
Go on there, Jeff, take care of man. You two buddy,
have a good one, all right, Jeff the best man.
Let's go from one best to another best. How about

(01:52:46):
Brian Finley, He's in the update studio and let's get
a look at the latest. Thank you, Jason, I can
second you on that comment on Jeff he is an
awesome guy. UFC on cloaking It's newly constructed Fight Island
with a trio of title bouts, camera Usman dicing up
jor A mas Vodal to recapture the well to weight
crown by unanimous decision. Earlier, Alex Volkanowski suppressing Max Holloway

(01:53:11):
by split decision for the featherweight title. The outcome sparked
some controversy because of its extra close finish. Halloway's or
Holloway's camp I should say, feeling they did more than
enough to win. Pyotr Yawn diminishing Jose Aldo Va t
KO to get DIBs on the bantam weight crown. Lebron
James A learning reporters he will use the space on

(01:53:32):
the back of his jersey for his last name and
not for one of the NBA's pre approved social justice
movement messages. Around eight percent of players have elected to
make the back of their jersey a place for a
racial equality statement as opposed to using their last names.
Quiet Leonard is going through the NBA's two day mandatory

(01:53:53):
quarantine after he arrived in the bubble on Saturday. Justin
Thomas flaunts a two stroke lead had into the final
round of the PGA Tours event at Merefield. He is
at sixteen under. Had a six under on Saturday. And finally,
NASCAR's Cup Series returns to action today to thirty Eastern
from Kentucky. The race airs on Fox Sports One. Kyle

(01:54:16):
Bush is on the pull Jason back to you appreciate it.
We are indeed in the Fox Sports Radio Studios, brought
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finish up this edition of the Jason Martin Show. Hope
you're well, We'll be right back Jason mark Show, Fox
Sports Radio. Final segment of the program. Here on a
Sunday morning, Jason Martin Show, Fox Sports Radio. Where in

(01:54:36):
the Geico Fox Sports Radio Studios. I'm in Nashville. A
couple of members of the crew of course out in
Los Angeles. My thanks to my good friend Jeff Schwartz.
And I'm gonna repeat what I said towards the end
of that conversation which I have with him earlier on.
There are times when you're happy to have certain people
around you. There's times when you take inventory of the

(01:54:59):
relationships that God has put, their friendships that He has
put their people that He's put there to help you
along on your journey, and there are moments when you
can really sense the goodness and the value of those
relationships and those people. We spend a lot of time
talking about what divides and we spend a lot of

(01:55:21):
time on social media trying to find reasons why we
should hate each other or why we can't ever get along,
or why this position just can't be tolerated, or why
this person has got to be taken down, canceled their life,
ruined their job, taken away from whatever. And there you
heard from And I was going to talk to him

(01:55:43):
about this anyway, but obviously being a Jewish American, he
had more of a perspective on the Deshaun Jackson conversation.
And what was his response. His response was, unfortunately, we
are in a situal tion where the Jewish perspective is

(01:56:04):
not something that you see very much and you encounter
and the less you encounter something, the less sympathy that
you can have for it. The less you can hear,
the less you know, the less educated you may be,
unless you just happened to study it in school or
it got covered, or it's just something you found a
way to be passionate about on the outside. But it's

(01:56:25):
not like a lot of the other causes that you
see absolutely everywhere in an NFL locker room or an
NBA locker room or anywhere else in Hollywood or whatever.
This just isn't something that gets talked about all that much.
So rather than condemned to Sean Jackson or Stephen Jackson
or Malcolm Jenkins, Jeff tried to understand from their perspective

(01:56:52):
why they may have responded in the way that they did,
or why they commented at the very beginning in the
manner in which they did. And I was sitting and
listen to and I just thought to myself, regardless of
what you believe about what Jeff has to say about
this issue or that, or where he falls politically compared
to me, and you know, I'm more on the conservative side,

(01:57:15):
to say the least, and he is moderate to liberal,
But that's not gonna be attached to our bios. You know,
it's like, yeah, we know that about each other, but
we have great conversations and I hear his perspective and
he hears mine, and we find middle ground. But we
create equity with one another first, where there are certain

(01:57:35):
things about us where we come together before we even
get to points of division. I've never had a disagreement
more than something very cordial with Jeff Schwartz in the
time that I've known him. But I've never been more
impressed with a series of responses and a let's not
ascribe the worst motivations to absolutely every single person that

(01:58:00):
we encounter, even when there's justified reason you could come up.
You could justify real easily. You wouldn't have to go
out on a limb to justify, especially if you're Jeff
Schwartz feeling a certain way about Deshan Jackson right now
based on what happened earlier this week, with what was
said and what was posted a week ago. But that's

(01:58:21):
not what Jeff did. Jeff tried to understand the larger
issue that hey, you know, the Jewish cause is not
one that you hear about in an NFL locker room,
and it was just a moment where you saw a
humanity that gives me a little bit of hope. And
this isn't me just pumping a guest, because the guests

(01:58:41):
came on that and and he's a friend. This was
just impressive. You know, I reacted when I first saw
this sort of hostile that you heard me talk about
it earlier, But I also tried to think it through,
and I think that we're better off if we do.
People are gonna have different opinions. What we're not guaranteed,
and we shouldn't be promised his opinions that challenge or

(01:59:02):
even enrage us. What we're promised is that we should
be able to say that without the government telling us no,
you can't. I might offend somebody, That might harm my
relationship with that person, It might harm my business relationship
with that person, it might cost me sponsors, whatever else.
But if you think about it larger context than that,

(01:59:23):
we still live in a country where we should be
able to say things, disseminate ideas and learn. We live
in a world where a lot of the people in
your life, I hope, are ones where you have moments
where you can see something greater, when you can see
something that you hope you have a little bit of
inside yourself. And that's what I got from Jeff today.

(01:59:45):
And I'm thankful to have him as a friend, and
I'm thankful to have you as an audience Fox Sports
Sundays next. I'll talk to you next week.

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