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party people, It's me Jason McIntyre, Fox Sports Radio. It's
May May first, everybody, and it's gonna be a three
hour NFL Draft show. Just strap in, lock in. I
thought maybe we'd build a segment around Jayson Tatum dropping sixty,
the return of Lebron and then I kept looking at

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the draft, second and third rounds last night, and you
know besides calling the Kyle Trast to Tampa move. Uh
two weeks ago on Colin Cowherd show, Yes, Kyle Trask
is now Tom Brady's back up in Tampa. Kyle Trast,
the big kid out of Florida who was a three
star recruit with virtually no offers, did not start in

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high school, but proved on that Um what do they
call that? Uh circuit? The seven on seven circuit. Gavin
in the summers, Kyle Trast super accurate. Tom Brady now
has a backup. Tom Brady is not a little worried
about that though, uh as he should not be. They
just won the Super Bowl. But we will get a
lot into Aaron Rodgers in his situation in Green Bay.

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I think Gavin and I are on different pages here.
Um listen, I gotta I gotta roll with Aaron Rodgers
on this one. But there's a lot to get to.
The Raiders one of the worst drafts. They're one of
the worst teams in the league. The Jacksonville Jaguars, folks.
I'm telling you now by stock early and UM, we
will get into can they win the division? What the

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hell are the Houston Texans doing drafting a a quarterback
yesterday in the third round. I can't wait to bash
the Houston Texans. What a dumpster fire of a franchise
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Slash yes Nilson report limitations apply so so many different
ways to go at the outset of the show. Regarding
the NFL Draft, I saw a bizarre story that the
kid j C. Horne, who was the first defender taken

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yes above the cornerback from Alabama. J C. Horne's dad
came out and said, I'm so upset at Aaron Rodgers
for hogging the draft spotlight that nobody talked about my son.
And I was like, whoa, whoa, Dad, what are you doing?
This is your kid getting to the NFL and you
want to make the story about you being upset. Dad,

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Time to fall back. Let the kid have his moment
in the spotlight. Let Aaron Rodgers have his moment. Aaron
Rodgers and the forty Niners are the biggest stories from
the opening week of the weekend of the NFL Draft,
And a lot of people will say it's Rogers, I'm
skeptical he's gonna get dealt. Now we'll get to that why.
But I feel like the forty Niners are the biggest story.

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I've gotten a bit of a brush fire with some
jibrones on social media because of my forty Niners take,
and I think if you guys just hear me out,
I will think you'll agree that there is clearly something
amiss in the forty Niners locker room. There is some
type of divide going on that all the Bay Area

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Pom pom waivers are like, oh no, Kyle Shanahan got
his guy. I'm gonna make the case for you that
he didn't. Okay. And then we got a guest coming
up in about twenty five minutes who saw one of
my tweets about it sent me a text. We're friendly,
We're probably gonna get into it because reasonable minds can disagree.
So let me frame it for you like this, Okay,
the forty Niners trade up what about a month ago,

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six weeks ago, and it's like, oh, every they want
justin fields. The fourty Niners are going up to grab
justin fields. Obviously, that's what regular sports fans think, because
we watched justin fields at Ohio State. And then within
a couple hours, Michael Lombardi, who was in the front
office with the Patriots, cozy with Bill Belichick. Belichick of

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course knows Mike Shanahan well, Mike Shanahan. His son is
Kyle Shanahan. Belichick famously gifting Kyle Shanahan Jimmy Garoppolo. Okay,
Michael Lombardi comes out, Mac Jones is the guy. Adam
Schefter who his teeth in Denver covering Mike Shanahan's team

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in the nineties. Adam Schefter of ESPN comes out very strongly.
They want Mac Jones. He went on multiple platforms a
month ago saying Mac Jones is who the forty Niners won. Okay,
Ian Rappaport, mac Jones is the guy. Okay, you trade
up because you want somebody in particular. That's what the

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forty Niners did. And all of a sudden this week
you hear, wait a minute, they're having second thoughts. Is
it Mac Jones or is it Trey Lance. There's a divide.
Ian Rappaport is the guy who said the forty Niners
front office wanted Trey Lance. Kyle Shanahan was in the
camp of Mac Jones. And this is where it gets
really interesting. The gambling odds on Thursday flipped Wednesday. They

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started to come down on Mac Jones. Who was the
favorite heavy favorite, like minus three and Thursday, all of
a sudden, it's Trey Lance. And you say, well, it's
some and leak out what the hell is going on here?
And the forty Niners take Trey Lance and you know,
all the forty Niners fans out smart move. That's the guy.
I mean, listen, I'm not gonna sit here and take

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a dump or vomit all over Trey Lance because I
don't like him. He's twenty years old. Trade Lance through
three eighteen passes in college, Trade Lancer in the winged
tea in high school. Okay, people want to bash Zach
Wilson and the competition levels he faced at b y U,
take a look at the trade Lance played. Okay, directional

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Missouri State and all they're doing is running the football
on the fourth quarter. Trey Lances, to my recollection, never
played a close game where he had to deliver in
the fourth quarter, and I don't buy that. Kyle Shanahan
got his guy. Here's why all these people who defend

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the forty Niners saying, oh, no, no, it was just
a smoke screen. It was a bluff. That Matt Jones
stuff was just to throw people off the scent. Take
a time out and hear what you're saying. Who are
the forty Niners throwing off the scent? They trade up
so they can have the third pick. There's nobody to
smoke screen or bluff. The Jags knew it was Trevor Lawrence,

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the Jets knew it was Zack Wilson. There's no bluffing.
You get whoever you want. There's no smoke screen. There's
nobody to say, oh yeah, we're taking this guy when
we really want this guy. They don't care about messing
up draft boards of other teams. That's not what the
forty Niners are doing. The fort Knoers moved up so

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they would have their say, whoever we want, we got. Well,
you don't move up with the idea that will evaluate
the quarterbacks later. What if you evaluate and you don't
like what you saw? I am firmly of the belief
that these are reporters in Rappaport Schefter, a long time
guy Mike Lombardi. These guys don't throw stuff up against well,

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they don't guess they're in a high stakes game of
poker where you can't guess me. All the radio hosts, yeah,
you're taking shots, but these guys are plugged in. All
they do is talk to gms around the league. That's
their job, and they all got it wrong. You're telling
me that all the info that all of them were

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getting was bad info? Or did John Lynch and the
scouts say we can't take mac Jones? We we just
can't take this guy. One of the craziest stats I
saw right before the draft was designed rushed Design play
rushing yards for all the top quarterbacks, Mac Jones had

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zero zero. So he's running r p o s without
the threat that he's running at all. He's he's maybe
going to hand out to an All American, He's maybe
gonna throw to another All American. He's maybe gonna hide
behind one of his All American linemen and and do something.
But he's certainly not keeping it and running. Mac Jones

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is immobile. He's maybe Kirk Cousins with the wheels. Kirk
Cousins doesn't run at all. And I just I don't
buy that John Lynch and Kyle Shanahan were on the
same page here. I am. I'm completely convinced that there
was disagreement in the front office. I don't know that

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it got heated an argumentative. But how Shanahan rubber stamp
John Lynch to take that job? Remember, Shanahan had the
job first, then they bring in Lynch. Here is the
call when the forty Niners made the decision to draft
trade Lance. What's up, man, I'm so excited. A while,

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Oh man, I didn't know. Coach wouldn't tell me that anybody. Man.
I thought I thought you could tell though, but did
But I didn't, you know, I didn't know. Hey man,
it was all worth it, man, dude, we're so pumped,
so pump man, we'll get you out here tomorrow. Enjoy
this night. Faverden, by the way, I love these calls,

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and we're gonna play one at the end of his
break from the Arizona Cardinals that might make you like
want to go run through a wall. Um it's so good. Um,
So if you if you just listen, Trey Lance seems stunned.
I mean, Matt Jones in the green room seems stunned.
I joked that they kept showing him and he's in
his suit and he's kind of, you know, in like

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an uncomfortable position, and he looked like an Encyclopedia salesman
from the eighties. Just somebody just bummed out, sweating going
door to door. And Matt Jones falls to the Patriots,
which is not a terrible place to fall, you know,
by the way, Patriots went Alabama, Alabama. So you know,
I just don't know that Kyle Shanahan got his guy.

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Remember Kyle Shanahan, all the stories coming out of Washington.
Oh well, he liked r G three, but he loves
Kirk Cousins. That's why they drafted Kirk Cousins so he
could work with him as the young quarterbacks coach. O
CE remember McVeigh was on that staff as well, Mike
Shanahan of course coaching. And the final note and I

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remember like the day after I think the the trade
for the four Nights went down on Friday, and on
Saturday we came on and a lot of the talk
was about Chris Sims. Chris Simms famously Kyle Shanahan's best friend.
They both went to Texas together. They both got a
tattoo of each other or whatever, something very strange and awkward. Um,

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Chris Sims said, I know my buddy, I know he
wants Matt Jones. So everybody who's close to the Shanahan say,
Kyle wanted Matt Jones. Well, they ended up with Trey Lands.
We'll see how it works out. Jimmy g is going
to be the starter. We know that that's a lock.
Can Trey Lands be the guy in a year? All right?
I want to wrap up the opening segment by just saying,

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I mean, I haven't seen ratings, but that I'm I'm
assuming this was a monster NFL draft with the Aaron
Rodgers stuff, the interest level. I did a show for
Fox Sports that was streaming. We had a bunch of
guys in before the first pick. We had nineties six
thousand people watching the screen stream before the first pick.
The numbers that they sent out yesterday were staggering. I'm

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not gonna repeat them. Uh, Fox is gonna put out
like a pr blitz on Monday, bragging about how many
people watch. But I'm telling you right now, the Draft
was one of the best first rounds I can recall
in a year. You have the numbers, Gavin an Audio
combined audience between all the networks of twelve and a
half million viewers on Thursday night, two million more than

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the Academy Awards. Wow. Now, I will say I had
not been aware, and we talked about it, of any
of the movies and the Oscars for Best Picture. Hadn't
seen any. It snuck up on me. Did you watch
the Oscars? I didn't watch it, and the main reason
was I didn't see any movies. The only movie I
saw last year I liked was called Palms Springs. It

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was on who I thought that was a good one
Andy Sandberg. And then I think the other one was
King of Staten Island with Pete Davidson. That was a
good movie. But um yeah, I didn't watch a second
of the Academy Ords, not a second, and the Draft.
I was all over at first round yesterday. You guys know,
I coached my excuse me kids in soccer. I'm not
coaching my daughter or son this year. I have in

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the past, but I just needed to, you know, not
do that for a year and I usually go to
the practice and help out and all this stuff. I
dropped my daughter. I was like, I gotta go watch
the draft. Sorry, guys went home, watched the second round
of Pretty Awesome. So I want to close the opening
segment of the show by playing this audio. Gavin posted
it on his Instagram and I was like, oh my gosh,
we gotta play this. It's Bruce Arians calling Xavian College.

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I'm sorry, Steve Climb the GM. I don't know what.
Bruce Arians used to be the head coach and Arizona.
Steve Cim, the GM of Arizona calling Xavin Collins the
linebacker writer Tulsa. This kid is a great story. He
was a quarterback in Hikes cool then he turned to
do an All American two hundred sixty pound linebacker at Tulsa.
This guy's a great pick. Here's the call, Arizona Cardinals. Hello, Steve,

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Come Steve. How's it going? Good man? You got some
dogs in the background. What do you got going on there?
How's it going? Stop? Stop? I didn't tell you I
was picking yet. Man. Tell him to calm down a
little bit. Oh my god, are you ready to roll?

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See we're gonna kill everyone. We're gonna kill everyone. I
like it. I like it, man, keep that mentality. And
we're gonna get a Super Bowl ring so big on
our on our fingers show dog wouldn't be able to
jump over. I love it, man, I love it. We're good.

(15:59):
We'll keep that at to keep that chip on your shoulder.
So I'm gonna allow you to enjoy the time with
your family. Man, once you talk to Michael Bidwa owner
and coach Kingsbury as well. Oh, he starts crying at
the end. Oh, I love that. So he's telling his
family to calm down because everybody's freaking out. Listen, you

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go to there's some cities you can go to the
stink of the NFL. Arizona is not. That's a great
state to go to. Uh, you know, it's a little
hot in summer, but the rest of the year. Man,
and then he starts in with the F bombs and
we're gonna kill everyone. I mean, this guy is an animal.
You pairs even Collins and Isaiah Simmons in the middle.
And remember they got J. J. Watt in free agency.

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They picked up a couple other veterans. I like this
Arizona team a lot and then he ends the call,
you know, the excitement to excepted, let's go, let's go,
and then he starts crying like that's just so awesome,
and it does. You can tell it does mean more
when you when you play at Tulsa, you know, when
you play it a smaller school, like, Oh, I just
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I know you love it, strap In people, There's just

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so many layers to this. I gotta I gotta buddy
who's a Colts fan and he's distraught texting me from
another area of the country, distraught that the Cults have
not gotten a left tackle yet. Well, you know who
their left tackle is right now? Uh, Sam Tevy and
Gavin as a Chargers fan, Nos Tevy Tevy the turnstile,
that was his nickname. Um go look at his grades

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and Pro Football Focus and again, Pro football Focus is
not Bible, but Pro Football Focus does great offensive lineman.
Not a lot of other sites do. He was the
sixtie out of tackles defending the past last year past protection,
He's not good. Costanzo retired the Colts desperate for a tackle.
I know they got pay and then they went with

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the defensive end in the second round or the second
pick as well. And yeah, they need to get pressure
on the quarterback. But listen, Colts are not a slam dunk.
That's just more. That's another log on the fire for
the Jacksonville Jaguars are taking the ANFC South. I may
have to do another rant about remember that Raptors rant
that I did. I might. I might have to do
one for the jack a Pro one for the Jacksonville Jaguar.

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I'll give you a throwback for Sam Tevy. The reason
Charger fans really know him. The one good play he
had I think it was that Thursday night over game
over the Kansas City Chiefs. He had a false start
that didn't go called. It didn't get called, but Rivers
through a fifty yard touchdown on that play. But he
they camera showed he completely committed a false start which

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allowed him to protect. But man, unless he's doing that,
he's he's not very helpful. The best part about some
Chargers fans is there haven't been a lot of great memories.
That's something you remember. It's a weird thing. And I
was like, who is Sam Tevy? Well, real quick, the
kid you guys got Slater at like that one of
the best first round picks, right, Okay, So listen to this.

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The last three rounds of the last three years, Tom
Talesco's first round Rashawn Slater falls into his lap at seventeen.
Uh last year, uh yeah, justin Herbert year, before Derwin
James falls to his lap. I think that was a seventeen.
So he has had the first round has actually been

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easy for him, like easy decisions, like okay, best player
in the draft, let's take him here. Like so, uh
I loved the second pick to second round Asante Samuel Jr.
Player their second We'll see about the second year. I
mean Derwin James hasn't played two years, right, Yeah, that's
the thing on him, and it kind of reminds me

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early on of Keenan. Allen's career had a lot of
injury issues. So hopefully he can get over that this year. Oh,
they got Chris Harris, the kid out of Denver, and
they got someone named Mike Davis. I'm not Michael Davis.
They brought back, Yeah they were. They thought they were
gonna lose him in free agency. And then there's a
guy named Brandon face On. That should be pretty good. Okay,
uh So, a little work to do in the secondary

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for the Charge, but that's a good team. Let me
talk about Aaron Rodgers. So Aaron Rodgers kind of, you know,
wanted to steal the spotlight for the draft. A bit
of a diva move, you know, it's understandable. But this
has been brewing for a while. You guys know, I
do the Straight Fire podcast week days and we had
Charles Robinson on two weeks ago and he called this exactly.

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He said, Rogers does not believe or trust the GM.
There are major issues there. We put it out on
social media. It got you know, some people were like
interesting and now Rogers essentially saying I'm done. I wanted
an extension. You guys said, no, you have your deal,
you'll play it out, and Roger said, well, no, that's

(22:53):
not gonna work for me, because Rogers knows what's happening. Um,
Rogers knows exactly what's gonna go down right now. He
knows that they're gonna play him next year and they're
gonna shove him out for Jordan's Love. Listen, this kind
of crap went down with Joe Montana. This kind of
thing went down with Tom Brady in New England. It
never ends well for legends Peyton Manning and Indy. They'll

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just shove you out like that's how it is. Now.
Gavin tells me we have a random caller. We have
a guest coming up in three minutes. But my main man,
Doug Gottlie probably driving to a basketball tournament where he's
gonna go, uh, you know, fifty two thirty and beat
some team. Doug Gottlie, what's going on? Man? Okay, So
I heard your teys and I was listening to you.

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So you proposed that the Packers should trade I think
you have to. Why? Well, I mean Aaron Rodgerster said
he doesn't want to come back. He's told people in
the organization, players in front office, I'm not going back there.
I have one year left on my deal and they
don't want to pay me, so let me just get out. Now.
Why why wait years more than one year left? Well,
he hasn't out after next year? The team has an out.

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Well they for Well, Jordan Left hadn't even played a
preseason game, Like look, you have to this is it's
no different than any quarterback. And if you look at
the context of when he was drafted, you go back
to last season. He wasn't coming off a great year.
He wasn't all in on what they were doing. Um,

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some people had seen a decline in his performance and
all of the top wide receivers were off the board,
and they took a fire on a guy who, by
all estimations was two years away, you know, And so yeah,
they're gonna wait and see. But why would you trade him?
You went to the NFC champion game the last two years.
Why you're not gonna give up arguably the greatest quarterback

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of this generation in terms of skill set wise, obviously
not the most decorated. You're not gonna give up? You're
gonna trade him? Why? Why? Why would you that he's
under contract, He's not going anywhere to retire. Fine, you're
right still below you know, if you wants to retire
here to pay back twenty two million dollars, he ain't
doing that. We've seen We've seen a lot of these

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NBA guys and I know NBA is different start to
have the empowerment move. We've seen it in the NFL.
Russell Wilson this offseason. Hey, if you're gonna trade me,
here are the four teams. That's how that work. He
did not work out for Russell Wilson. He's a little younger,
much tougher to trade him. Rogers the thirty seven turning
thirty eight, I believe in December and given the Jordan

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Loves selection, Aaron Rodgers just doesn't trust anybody in that
front office. Now, the coach, even the fleur is was
taken aback by the Jordan's Love uh selection. As I'm
sure you heard Jay Glazer say, and this kid that
the GM young guy like, it's like, dude, why would
you do that? I mean, it's essentially coming down. He's

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thirty seven years old. You have to have a plan.
You're not gonna listen. If you're a big Green Bay
Packers and you have Aaron Rodgers, you're not going to
be in the top ten drafted. And the only reason
Jordan Love was available at that point in time was
because to draft him you knew you were gonna have
to sit him and develop him. He's a super, super talented,
but very unrefined product, a lot the way you described

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Trey Land. He was last year's Tray Lance, That's what
he was. So you remember Tom Brady, Wait, Doug, you
remember Tom Brady essentially said, hey, man, I don't want
this guy Garoppolo here, get him out of here, or
I'm done, and Brady made Belichick trade Jimmy Garoppolo. Aaron
Rodgers has essentially done the same, except I don't even
want to be here anymore. Aaron Rodgers is like, I'm done.

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Look the difference. There's a couple of differences there. One
of the big ones is that they finally dealt Garoppolo
when they had to because they were going to have
to give Garoppolo a new contract right there, not at
that place yet with Jordan's loves, and everybody in the
NFL wants a quarterback who's confident in that second, third,
and fourth year of their rookie contracts, right That's that's

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the magic to it. That's the only reason that Jets
plus restart was Zack Wilson because they didn't like Sam Donald,
but because it gives you, It buys you basically four
years of an inexpensive quarterback where you can go and
fill out the rest of your roster and then hopefully
you get good enough and then you do the Pat
Mahomes where your backload, your backload, the salary cap you know,
at the end of the deal. So that that that's

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where they are, but you're not again. The Green Bay
Packers went to the NFC Championship game, they were they
should have gone forward on fourth down and they didn't. Okay,
but that said, they're like a play away. And remember
they didn't have their they didn't have their their Their
offensive line was banged up a lot like Tampa and
they got just molly wop by the Tampa Bay defensive line.

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They're that close to the Super Bowl? Why would they
trade Aaron Rodgers? I would say, I would ask you
the exact same thing. They were that close to the
Super Bowl? Why would you draft Jordan Love? Uh? Now,
we got a guest coming up from San Francisco, Doug,
So we gotta bounce. But hey, thank you for calling
in good long time. Hey, will you talk to Shapiro
get us to host um one of these shows one

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day so we can uh do three hours on er Rogers.
It could be fun anytime, all right, buddy, thanks a lot, Doug. Alright,
coming up next year on Fox Sports Radio, we got
Mark Willard from San Francisco. Listen. I'm just arguing with
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Radio app search f s R to listen live. He's
based in San Francisco and I've known him for a while.
He's he's you know he's a forty Niners guy. At
this point, his name is Mark Willard, k NBR radio host, Mark,
how are you on this lovely Saturday morning? Oh, isn't
it that? It's beautiful? It's beautiful. The sun is shining

(28:40):
in the day. It's like, Uh, the gods know that
that Mac Jones is all the way across the side
of the country, and so everybody, everybody is happy in
the sun is signing here. So let me start off
with this, Mark, what was the reaction before the draft? Okay,
before when it looked like mac Jones was going to

(29:01):
be the guy to San Francisco? Sheer terror And I'm
I'm I'm not I'm not overstating this, and I it's
not standing Mac. I don't know what kind of NFL
player he's going to be. Uh, these things take on
a life of their own. But I'm just passing along
what the forty Niner fans were feeling. And this was
going to be a real problem if he was the pick.

(29:24):
Whether it was rational or not, didn't matter. The fan
base was going to be beside itself if if that
was the pick. So I've likened it to kind of
the way we've seen presidential elections happened in recent years,
which is everybody's like, look, anybody but that person. I
don't really care who wins, but let's not have that person.
That's kind of the way. Uh. The quarterback thought was

(29:47):
here in the Bay Area, there were a lot of
Trade Lance people who would have been fine with Justin Fields.
There are a lot of Justin Fields people who would
have been okay with Trey Lance. The unification was just
not mac Jones any even mac Jones now? And why now?
Why was everybody concerned about Matt Jones? Mark? Was it
possibly because Kyle Shanahan's best friend who has a tattoo,

(30:09):
just like they went and got tattoos together. Chris Simms said,
as soon as the trade happened, it's mac Jones. Was
it because well, hold hold? Was it because Michael Lombardi
who knows the Shanahan's well dating back to the Patriots
in Belichick and Mike Shanahan also saying from the jump
it's mac Jones. Was it possibly Adam Schefter who cut
his teeth covering the NFL in the nineties in Denver?

(30:29):
And Mike Shanahan was it possibly him saying from the jump.
They went up to get mac Jones. Is that why
everybody was freaking out? Well, they're freaking out because, yeah,
there was enough noise to where it suddenly became believable
what was originally unbelievable, And it was thirty seconds after
the pick was made. Then I sort of put my
forehead on in my hand and went Of course, it

(30:53):
was indeed as ridiculous as it originally sounded, the idea
of trading your next two first round draft takes to
go up and get mac Jones. It doesn't mean that
mac Jones isn't gonna be a good NFL player. He
very well might be. But the thought it wasn't so
much against mac Jones. It was against the idea of
making a trade like that, which at its core is

(31:15):
an incredibly bold move in facts, probably the boldest trade
in the history of the forty Niners organization. You don't
make an incredibly bold swing to then go up and
play it safe and and get the non athletic, non
entertaining player. It never made sense. It never made sense.

(31:36):
It still doesn't to this day, because I don't believe
it ever was fact. I would agree with that all that,
But you said one word mark that I disagree with.
You said noise, And to me, when we're looking at
the draft and free agency, you hear noise. It's like
an anonymous report from some website you've never heard of,
or some random guy on Twitter claims that someone came

(31:59):
into a drug store and said this, like, that's noise.
The people that were saying mac Jones to San frand
that's not noise. Those guys usually speak in certainty because
their job as reporters covering the league is to be
plugged in, and they don't really throw noise up against
the wall. So are you a confident that Kyle Shanahan

(32:21):
got his guy or do you believe like I do?
The Ian Rappaport report a couple of days before the
draft that there is a divide in the front office.
Kyle Shanahan wanted Matt Jones and the scouts all were
lobbying for Trey Lance. I believe certainty the cal Shanahan
got his guy. Here here's what I'll ask you, Jason.
Think about it this way. There's Bill Bala check ever

(32:43):
miss on a draft bake? Okay? So that means that
Adam Shafter and Ian Rappaport and everybody else you just
mentioned can be wonderful at that job, but it doesn't
mean they've got a thousand Ian Rappaport two years ago
reported that Antonio Brown to the Buffalo Bills was done.
I had Adam Shafter on a show on New Year's
Eve last year, and I said, Adam, I'm hearing that

(33:06):
that Alex Smith may be done. He may want to retire,
and and Adam almost seemed defended that I was bringing
this up and he hadn't heard it. He's like, are
these people credible who are telling you? I'm like, yeah,
I think he say like he almost had me questioning myself.
Everybody gets it wrong sometimes, and when you have this

(33:27):
many people saying it that actually it's me actually proves
the point even further, Because do you believe the co
Shanahan and John Lynch, who famously have kept things completely
under wraps when they're doing whatever they're doing. I think
even about Trent Williams and the draft last you know,
they've kept things under wraps and in the house very well.

(33:48):
Does it make sense to you that every reporter in
America would have their pick four weeks before it was
gonna be made Like, think about it. From that perspective,
it doesn't even make sense. This came from agents, This
came from other NFL teams who were reading the room.
This came from a misperception that Kyle Shanahan doesn't like
athletic quarterbacks. He likes cookie cutters of Kirk Cousin, which

(34:11):
himself called ridiculous just two weeks ago. Uh, Kyle Shanahan
likes people like Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen. That's what
he likes. And I believe that on Monday Night last
year when the Bills carved up, that was a big
night in him making a decision that he wanted a
new quarterback. Josh Allen was tremendous. Cost me money in
that game. By the way. The Antonio Brown that was

(34:32):
hilarious because Antonio Brown was going there and then the
Bills had basically traded for him, and then Antonio Brown
was like, I ain't going there. I'm not God, I'm
not doing Buffalo alright. For one final note though, Mark,
when you when you look at the situation this season
with Garoppolo as the starter and then he's gonna get
dumped for Trey Lance, what happens if Garoppolo has a

(34:54):
very good season like he did the Super Bowl year.
He was very good. No, I don't know if he
was top ten statistically, but certainly up fifteen and they
go and win a playoff game or two. Is it
still that easy to just say we drafted this guy. Sorry,
we're gonna roll with it. Well, just never forget, and
and Cashanahan has spoken glowingly about this situation in the past.

(35:15):
Never forget. What you just described is exactly what Alex
Smith did. Patrick Mahomes rookie year, the Chiefs were fantastic. Uh,
they got the best version of Alex Smith. UM. I
had Kareem Hunt and Tyrene Hill on fantasy team and
my gosh, I crushed everybody. That Chief's offense was really
good that year. They went to the playoffs. They had
a disappointing loss. I think it was even in their

(35:37):
first game after having a first round by um and
that was kind of Alex Smith's m O. So maybe
that made it a little bit easier. But the Chiefs
were very good that year and they still made the move. Now,
the downside is, do you have what happened with the
Packers last year, which I don't think was a downside
except for your seeing what's happening with it now. But

(35:57):
Jordan Jordan's love and Trey Lancer to very very different situations. Listen,
I think you're worry about that problem when when it
gets there. I do expect the forty Niners to be
to be good this year, um, but outside of them
winning a Super Bowl with Jimmy Garoppolo being one of
the main reasons I would I would expect that that

(36:18):
Trey lance Is is the starter of a week one
of two and who knows, maybe even sooner. Yeah, Alex Smith,
one's interesting. The only thing I'll say is he never
had taken anybody to the Super Bowl before that, right,
And yeah didn't they didn't. They lead that playoff game
against I think it was Tennessee with Mariota like twenty

(36:39):
one to three, and then they lost or something that
they did. Yeah, they had it. They had most of
the way. Mark Willard k NBR host. He's on Twitter.
Mark T. Willard market Joy the weekend in the Bay Area.
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(38:06):
host the Three and Out Podcast. Do you like football?
Do you like the NFL? Do you like the NFL draft? Quarterbacks? Coaches? Well,
I talk about it all on the show. I used
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(38:27):
Listen to the Three and Out Podcast with me John
Middlecoff on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcast or
wherever you get your podcasts. Nineteen What is this, Chris?
Who is it? Hall of Notes? Hall of Notes? Good? Good? Uh?
This is what I do at karaoke all the time.

(38:48):
You're out of Yeah, I like this. A lot of
people online, shockingly are mad at me for being out
of touch on the forty Niners. Oh well, this is great, Davin,
You'll love this. Maybe Kyle Shanahan's friends reported what he
wants them to. Maybe he leaked it so that the

(39:11):
Jets would re evaluate and consider Matt Jones over Wilson.
No second guessing by Jets when they trade up was
for Jones, supposedly smart move. Like these guys are twisting
themselves into pretzels about why the forty Niners would lie
or why everybody got it wrong. The one thing everything
everyone should agree on is a smoke screen made no sense, Yes,

(39:35):
none at all. It was always Lawrence Wilson. Whether or
not people are high or low on Wilson, there's I've
heard that some people in the league are not as
high on Wilson as the Jets are. It doesn't matter.
The Jets were he fits what they want to do.
There's I get the idea of not wanting other teams
to know exactly what you're gonna do, Like so if if,

(39:56):
if Kyle was going to be quiet, and but I
don't understand the thing of intentionally trying to mislead unless
you thought someone was going to trade give a crazy
amount for the third third pick, but you also gave
up those other you know what I mean, You yourself
gave up a crazy It's weird. I never bought Mac
Jones because I don't believe in him as a quarterback.

(40:19):
That being said, I bought that Kyle Shanahan believed in
mac Jones. Does that make sense? Yeah? I I firmly
believe that whoever went there was gonna be successful, like
like Kyle was going to get his guy. That that.
I do disagree with you a little on that that.
I do think train Lance was the guy because I
don't see again, I don't see why he would have

(40:39):
gone the other way, Like why why Matt Jones never
made sense? No? And I do wonder I don't know
if Chef would actually answer that, but or or Lombardi
or Chris Simms, but I would love to know why
anybody thought mac Jones in the first place. And nobody,
by the way, there was like, oh the Lions might
want a quarterback or the Panthers might want to none.

(41:00):
The reason you know Mac Jones was never their guy
was because they could have taken him at twelve. They
unless you're like the Raiders and you like to reach
for for players that play for Alabama. But I mean
mac Jones really would have been there at twelve. He
was there at fifteen. Um. I do want to say
I was stunned that the Broncos didn't go quarterback. Well

(41:23):
they did, Yeah, I mean that that is an interesting one. Um,
I wonder if they really think they have a chance
at Aaron Rodgers. I guess that's a that's a possibility now.
And they got Bridgewater Bridgewater versus lock. But um, let
me quickly do two minutes here on the Dallas Cowboys,
who I think have had an awful draft, and um,

(41:44):
I mean maybe awful is strong, but they're doing the
Carolina Panther thing from last year. Let's only draft defensive guys.
I get that you need defensive defense. Stinks, but you know, Kevin,
this is a team that had vander Esh. I know
they lost Shawn Lee, but they had Vanderesh and jalen
um Smith the linebacker from Notre Dame, and they signed

(42:04):
keian O'Neil in free agency. He played safety and they
announced we're moving him the linebacker. So you now have
vander Esh Smith and Neil a linebacker. What do you
do at eleven? You draft a linebacker? And Michael Parsons
like what, I just don't understand that at all. It
doesn't make sense. It feels like Jerry trying to get

(42:27):
a splashy guy. Michael Parsons, of course a big name.
And LaVar Arrington, who does the show after this, is
close with LaVar Arrington, is close with Michael Parsons, and
I think we've talked about it here. Parsons, immensely talented,
top ten talent, had some questionable stuff off the field.
There was alleged hazing incident. I know it's in the past.

(42:47):
There was an incident in high school where he basically
started a riot in the high school cafeteria. And again,
I know he was a young, impressionable teenager. Did people
do dumb things? I don't know. We'll see what happens.
I don't love what the Cowboys have done. I don't
they got better at all. Um. You know, I don't
think that the team to beat in the NFC East.
I would definitely bet the under nine win nine and

(43:09):
a half on the Cowboys. By the way that numbers inflated,
There's no way they were nine and a half win team.
Um and uh, I'm out on them. I think the
Giants win the division. But we'll come back to that
this summer, all right, coming up next here on Fox
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(43:31):
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Slash Yes Nelson Report limitations apply. I thought we'd open
the second hour with some Yankees talk, or maybe Jayson

(44:17):
Tatum dropping sixty, tying Larry Bird for the Celtics record. Nah.
Maybe maybe we'll do Lebron returning from the longest absence
of his career to the Lakers last night they lost. No,
we're not doing that either. The NFL Draft. Come on, people,
it's the biggestorian sports I'm told the Kentucky Derby's happening today.
But much like the Oscars last week, I had no clue.

(44:39):
I'm locked in on the draft. We spent way too
much time doing mock drafts and my, my, h a
lot of fun. People love them. My twenty two first
round the NFL mock draft. Yes that is correct. One
year from now, it goes up on Fox Sports. I
think tomorrow. Um. People love the draft, you know, it's
it sells hope, and you know for teams like oh,

(45:03):
I don't know my New York Jets, we're hopeful that
Zach Wilson's the guy. The Mormon Mahomes were hopeful for
a team like the Chicago Bears, who basically went into
uh this offseason with high hopes, Oh, we're gonna go
make a big splash like the Doe GM they got
there is talking about how they're gonna go big game hunting,

(45:25):
and then Russell Wilson was supposedly in the mix. They
ended up with Andy Dalton and Nick Foles, and it's
you know, when you look at that entering your season,
you're like, oh, what are we doing tonight? T g
I Fridays, We're gonna go to Applebee's. And then in
the draft, Justin Fields falls and you're like, oh we
go and Sizzler, let's grab Justin Fields now. I'll be honest.

(45:47):
I don't think Field starts. And we have been over this, okay.
Baker Mayfield did not start as a rookie. Took him
a couple of games to get Entyrod Taylor got hurt.
Justin Herbert did not start to what did not start? Yes,
he was coming off an injury. Jared Gough did not start.
Lamar Jackson did not start. Um, yeah, you go on
down the list like a lot of these guys did

(46:09):
not instantly jump in the league. I don't believe Fields
will be the starter, Gavin. We are an agreement there, right.
Fields probably won't start, It will be done. Yeah, I
mean there's no rush to get Fields out there. Like
is he ready? Of course? I think he's closer to
being ready than Trey Lance. When you can have a
mentor like Andy Dalton, you take him up on that
or does he does he lean more toward toward Folds?

(46:30):
I don't know. It's possible. Justin Fields won't even be active.
Bar said he's QB one, So yeah, it's the Andy
Dalton show. Um, and I'm sure Justin Fields is not
clamoring to get out there. It's not like he's got
a great arsenal of weapons. I do like the tight
end commit from Notre Dame. I like obviously Allen Robinson.

(46:50):
They'll get the kid Um tarik Um Cohen. He's back
from injury. Montgomery showed well last year. Ultimately Fields will
be the guy. I think what's interesting there is does
Justin Fields save the job of the head coach at GM,
because if not, like Yavin, if they go four and
twelve or four and thirteen I guess, or five and twelve.

(47:11):
Remember seventeen games this year, I don't think they're gonna
keep No. And my thought yea or nag. My thought
when that pick was made was, well, Ryan Pace is
doing whatever he can to save his job. He doesn't
care that they just gave away their first round pick
next year because he's not going to be there if
he gets fired. So here's the crappy thing. If the

(47:33):
coach and GM get booted, Justin Fields no longer has
an advocate in the front office, the new guys gonna
come in it. I didn't draft him. That's what happened
with the Jets. Uh they bring in Douglas. He didn't
draft Sam Donald, he had no commitment to him. I
don't want to say Field's got a raw deal, but
it's probably gonna be like a Jalen Hurt situation. What
if we can start the Ryan Davis Chicago narrative right now,

(47:56):
he's the next coach of the Bears. It's fun to do.
Oh State guy. Interesting. I mean I thought of that
that that's next level stuff. This is Urban Meyer last year. Like,
I mean, we'll get to urban Meyer in the Jags
in a sec. Uh. You know, you could maybe Pencil
and Lincoln Riley or whoever the Bears get. But you know,

(48:17):
I'm hopeful for Fields, but the reality is there. I mean,
there's a strong chance that there's a new GM there
and then they consider pressing the reset. But um, I
do think it helps to be in Chicago where the
bar isn't exactly the highest for the quarterback. I mean, what,
Jake Cutler is your best modern day quarterback. Jay Cutler
is the best guy they've had there in like twenty years.

(48:39):
But Rex Grossman was under center when they went to
a Super Bowl, which is comical. Um. Yeah, I absolutely
love the draft. I almost want to open it up
and take calls. Gavin, I don't think we will, but
there's just so many ways to go. We're gonna do
Aaron Rodgers in a sec. We're gonna do some packers. Um,
we're gonna do a little forty niners. I do want

(48:59):
a quick say. I mentioned Sam Donald and h a
guy we brought on the show before. Warren Sharp made
an interesting point. So last year Sam Donald, his coach
was Adam Gaze, his running back was Frank Gore. His
receivers were Brashad Perryman and Jamison Crowder. Okay, Sam Donald

(49:20):
now goes to an offensive coordinator named Joe Brady. Go
look up Joe Burrow and you'll find Joe Brady attached
to his hip. He goes from Frank Gore to Christian McCaffrey,
he goes from Perryman and Crowder to Robbie Anderson and
d J. Moore. And the Carolina Panthers went out and
drafted Terrence Marshall from l s U, Big Kid. I

(49:41):
liked him. I thought the Jets would have a shot
at him in the second round. They got Elijah More.
I'm happy with that. Um, I just want to go
out there like Sam Donald is going to be successful
in Carolina. Is he gonna I don't Is he gonna
win a Super Bowl? I'm not gonna go crazy. I
don't know about the playoffs, but I think Sam Donald
is gonna have a strong year. I'm just telling you.
Matt Rule is a bet on coach. Like I, I I

(50:05):
like what this guy does. He kept things close. You know,
they didn't end the year well once Bridgewater got hurt,
like they were a bit bit of a dumpster fire
and they got destroyed by the Buccaneers twice. But they
are going to keep some things close down. The defense
needs work, but I think Caroline is a bet on
team next year. And one more bet on team, Gavin.
I'm just gonna remind people the Cincinnati Bengals with Joe

(50:27):
Burrow started six and two against the spread last year. Okay,
I know I worked with Jeff Schwartz. I did the
draft for Fox Sports. Jeff was like, I can't believe
they're passing on Penay School. Okay, I get that. Jamaar Chase,
Tyler Boyd and Tee Higgins, they're gonna be in every game.
They're gonna be backdoor champs available to cover almost every

(50:51):
week with that offense. I mean last year they had
a j Green over Chase and aj Green was like
thirty two I think and starting to show where and
Terry was like doing nothing and Joe Burrow was still
making magic happen with the comebacks. He's gonna keep them
in games. Man. I'm just these are things to file away. Carolina,
you want to look to bet on them. If they're

(51:12):
catching or touchdown, it's probably a bet on Carolina. If
the Bengals are catching uh, basically high numbers against anybody
except the Ravens, the Ravens beat them by like a
combined seventy to six last year Burrow rookie. The Ravens
defense was a nasty at times. Um, but I'm gonna

(51:32):
be looking to to put some money on Carolina and
Cincinnati a lot next year. Now, the team I really
love is the Jags. Will get to that next segment.
But I want to revisit the Packers and Aaron Rodgers.
So obviously the the Aaron Rodgers situation goes viral. It
is the story of the draft Thursday. What happened late
Thursday night the GM who Aaron Rodgers basically accused of

(51:56):
lying and not being truthful and untrustworthy. He came out
to talk to the media. Brian Guta Kuntz, Did I
say his name right? I did? Oh my gosh, I can't.
I usually just say good coonst Is that it? Gouda Coons.
Gouda Coots came out and talked to the media. Here's
what he had to say about trading Aaron Rodgers. He's
our quarterback, he's our leader. We've been working through this

(52:19):
for you know, a little while now, and you know,
I just think it may take some time, but you know,
he's he's the guy that kind of makes this thing go.
So he's he gives us the best chance to win,
and we're gonna work towards that end. Do you think
Aaron's ever gonna play again for you guys? How can
you convince him to come back and play for you
out there? He he seems to be, at least if
the reports are accurate, that that he has no interest

(52:40):
in doing that. Yeah, I'm not gonna speak for Aaron obviously,
but no, I think obviously we've got a really good
team and I do think he'll play for us again,
and we're gonna, like I said, we're gonna work towards that,
and we've been working towards that on a number of
different fronts. Is there any scenario that you can see
trading Aaron Rodgers this offseason? No? No, right, I appreciate
the question, But now we're gon gonna trade Aaron Rodgers. Okay?

(53:04):
Joe Montana what he was at his prime, dominant with
the forty Niners dynasty, four super Bowls, never lost the
Super Bowl, finished his career in Kansas City, best Steve
Young behind him. Montana got hurt, got to move on.
Tom Brady New England. I mean goodness, gracious, we could

(53:24):
dedicate a month's worth of shows to what the hell
happened there? Sick of being beaten down by Bill Belichick
in the quarterback room, Belichick drafting Garoppolo. Who would follow who?
The plan was to follow? Brady? Tom Brady Tampa Super Bowl,
didn't end his career in New England? Right five, Green

(53:46):
Bay's legend kept waffling. I'm gonna retire, I'm gonna I
want to come back. I'm not done. They had Aaron Rodgers,
far I didn't like that. Far ends up with the Jets,
and then I forget what happened with that, like massage
and cell phone photos. I don't remember. He did something
really dumb. And then he goes to Minnesota and he

(54:12):
nearly got to a super Bowl with the Vikings through
an interception I think in overtime Gavin against Saints Y. Yeah,
that one hurt. Listen. I remember the bad beats I
had the Vikings in that one. I don't remember all
the winds. I just remember the losses because there are
so few of them. You know. That's a line from

(54:33):
Wolf of Wall Street Leonardo DiCaprio. He's awesome. Um. And
then finally Peyton Manning now and no again, another injury situation,
the next surgery, but they go one, they win one game.
We can get Andrew Luck. Let's move on, Listen. It
is difficult. It is extremely tough for fans to see

(54:54):
a guy you rooted for for a decade or more
move on. But I just named Joe Montana, Peyton Manning,
Tom Brady, Brett Farve. Those are four of the twelve
greatest quarterbacks to ever play the sport, and they did
not end with the team they started. I think four
of the top twelve, right, I mean, the only guy
who's questionable. Is Farve top twelve? I would say he

(55:16):
has to be right. Oh uh, you know, hey, might
as well throw up in there. Drew Brees did end
in New Orleans. Um Eli Manning. No, I'm not gonna
even joke. But bottom line is, don't be surprised if
Rogers moves on. I don't care that. Goodakoons said, we're
not trading Aaron Rodgers like scoffing, like you drafted Jordan Love,

(55:40):
you got your guy, what do you need me for?
That's basically Aaron Rodgers think you want to keep me, okay,
well extend me, and apparently they said no. Now. The
story Jade Glazer told on Fox Sports Radio the draft
night um was essentially in the twenty draft, basically, the Packers,

(56:01):
you know, they had their board, they had their scouts,
everybody's on zoom, and all of a sudden, the GM
steps away, and I guess takes a call like, oh
wait a minute, Jordan Loves falling. Nobody's drafting Jordan's Love,
and Goodacoon's basically calls an audible himself did not tell

(56:21):
the head coach, the scouts or anyone, and then he
just picks Jordan Love and They're like, what the hell,
what what just happened? And apparently Goodacoons one rogue and
made his decision, and now by proxy, all those guys,
the scouts, the head coach, they either look like they're

(56:45):
aligned with Goudacoots or they have to go to Rogers
and be like, yo, I know, I didn't I wasn't
part of this. I didn't want to do this to
get in with Rogers. And that's why I think that's
why Rogers has identified just Goodacoons as a guy he
doesn't trust. You just gone to the NFC title game.
It still doesn't make sense a year later, like what

(57:05):
are you doing? I get drafting for the future, but
if you do it in the first round, your quarterback
is gonna be pissed. And if you do it in
the first round after you went to the NFC title game,
everybody's gonna be ticked. I mean, listen, I made a
case that there's problems. It's clear there's problems in Green Bay,
which is a more toxic situation right now, Gavin green

(57:26):
Bay or San Francisco, who's got more of an off
season trouble ahead? You would have to say green Bay, Yes,
without a doubt. I mean, that was the biggest bomb
show I've ever seen on Draft day, next to the
tonsiled gas gas mask. But that one was comical. This
Aaron Rodgers thing was calculated. It was full of spite.

(57:47):
You know. It reminds me of I don't know if
you watch Curb your Enthusiasm, But okay, Well a big
thing is Larry David opens up a spite store, just
a rival coffee shop across the street, just to spite
the guy he doesn't like. And that's how Aaron Rodgers,
you know, is in with his own organization. Crazy stuff. Yeah,
and this is the NFL. It's wild. It's great for

(58:09):
people in the media. It gives us a lot of
options to talk about UM. And it's interesting what they
did because in the first round, you think wide receiver, No,
they went corner right. Well, I'll say this, I I
kind of defend that. If you remember the Bucks Packers,
Um Tom Brady in the fourth quarter just kept picking

(58:30):
on the kid King, the cornerback. I think Kevin King
every play it was that pass interference or beat him
on the inside. He got roasted. And I think they
had visions of that all offseason. So they said let's
go out and get a cornerback and I'm fine, I'm
okay with that. Um, they did get the kid on
Marie Rodgers from Clemson. If you want to watch a

(58:50):
Marie Rogers I'm sure there's a highlight reel of it.
Still one of my favorite games of the last decade
in college football Clemson Ohio State, not this past year,
but the playoff game two years ago, oh where you
know how States dominating and Trevor Lawrence leads the back.
Trevor Lawrence has an amazing drive at the end of
the game to win it, and a Marie Rogers against
an Ohio State team loaded loaded with talent, has one

(59:13):
play we just break. He runs right through a Jeff
Okuda tackle and you're like, holy count Kuda end up
being top to pick and Marie Rodgers just runs right
through him. Apparently, this kid Rodgers is awesome and Aaron
Rodgers will surely like him if if he plays another
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If you don't do do a leapo, right, isn't that
her name? Yes? Thank you goodness gracious, I think I thought,
I think I like this singer. You've got some decent stuff. Um.
I think I've admitted this before. It's kind of embarrassing.

(59:56):
I don't really care. I keep it real with you, guys.
I get a lot of my music these days from
Instagram stories. People will put um a song to something
and I'll be like, Oh, I don't know that song,
let me go download it. It's pretty awesome. Um. We

(01:00:16):
got an hour and a half lets in the show.
A couple of good guests coming up. Greg Bdard stopping
by to talk about why the hell of the Patriots?
Like Mac Jones in the first round, He's stopping by
in five minutes. No Belichick going full on Obama. Interesting
that Bell. I don't want to say. Belichick is thrown
in the towel. He's sixty nine, he just drafted two

(01:00:38):
dudes from Alabama from his buddy Nick Saban. He spent
like a drunken sailor in free agency. I don't know.
I mean, I'm sure internal he'd never admit this, but
internally he has to be just devastated that Tom Brady
won a Super Bowl and he didn't even make the playoffs.
And now I'm sure you guys have seen the photos

(01:00:59):
circules lading online where it's like, how about that Patriots
quarterback room and there's Cam Newton shredded looking chiseled, rocked
up with the abs in this and just like really
ripped shirtless. And then there's Mac Jones shirtless with a
cigar in his mouth after Alabama won the title. I'm assuming, Gavin,
you've seen that picture that's got to be Mac Jones

(01:01:21):
from like twenty nineteen or whatever, when two of one.
There's no way that that is the Mac Jones body
after um winning the title this past year, because Mac
Jones just looks Doughey, uh, no definition at all, Like
he doesn't ever do abs. I mean, it's there's just
no way that's a recent photo. Maybe he's still got

(01:01:42):
some baby fat from like when he was like a
nineteen year old and he was doing the you know,
the freshman fifteen eating pizza at you know, two am,
three nights a week, which is what everybody did. Um,
all right, let's go to the worst of first happens
every year in the NFL. Last year, Washington were they
They were the Washington Football Club. Last year they went

(01:02:03):
from worst to first. And again I know that that
was kind of a weird situation because everybody in the
division was terrible. That being said, I like another division.
I'd like another worst to first and I don't know
if the winner is going to be over five D
and that's the Jacksonville Jags in the a f C South.

(01:02:24):
Let me make a case briefly against the other teams.
I don't need to say anything about Houston as of now.
The Texans may not have Deshaun Watson. Even if they
have Deshaun Watson, they're gonna be very bad. They have
the lowest wind total with the Detroit Lions in the league.
By the way, they drafted Davis Mills, who was the

(01:02:46):
number one quarterback in this high school class in like
twenty I don't seen, or seventeen probably, but he said
four knee surgeries since graduating high school. Not the same guy.
Um talented, but no, and whoever they start, the Texans

(01:03:07):
are going to be terrible. I believe, as I said
earlier in the show, the the Indianapolis Colts are gonna
be overvalued. Yes, I like the coach. Yes, I like
the scheme. No, I don't like the left tackle situation,
and I'm out. I don't know if I'm a believer
in Wentz. I know he did well with Frank right
back in the day, but a lot has happened since then.

(01:03:28):
Frank Reich very good coach. He did well with Rivers.
I don't know if it's going to be as much
of a slam dunk with Carson Wentz. Yes, I like
Jonathan Taylor. I like the young receiver out of USC Pittman. Um.
I just I don't and I did bet on them,
and I want against the Bills in the playoffs they covered.
I just don't love right now the Colts. Everybody has

(01:03:51):
them winning the division. And finally you got the Tennessee Titans,
who lose their offensive coordinator and Arthur Smith. They lost
I think they lost one tight end, they lost one
receiver in Corey Davis. And the key here is Derrick
Henry's situation. They lost Jon Smith of the Patriots. Thank you, Gavin.
Derrick Henry led the league in rushes two years in

(01:04:13):
a row. Last year he had three hundred and seventy
eight carries. Folks, this is not two thousand and four.
You can't do that to running backs and expect them
to bounce back. I would be all over all. Derrick
Henry unders next year. He even looked slow in the
playoff game. By the way, remember he pushed hard in
the final month of the regular season to break the record,

(01:04:36):
uh not break the record, break two thousand yards. So
if I look at all those teams struggling, and then
I look at Jacksonville, which finally gets a quarterback, has
a new coach in Urban Meyer, and there is a
new coach bump. You guys know that there's a rookie
coach bump. That is a real thing. Kevin Stefanski last year,
rookie coach playoffs, two years ago, La Fleur playoffs, three

(01:04:59):
years go, Frank Reich playoffs. Like it's a real thing.
Rookie coaches can come into the league. They're hungry. Opponents
aren't as familiar with them. I love the E. T. N. Pick.
I like the receiver Channault Shark, like they've got talent
on that team. Now the defense can't stop anybody, but
the offense will score. And I like the Jacksonville Jaguars.

(01:05:22):
I think there plus a thousand Gavon twelve hundred to
win the division. That that's not an awful bet. The
stat of the Year Trevor Lawrence did not lose a
game in the regular season in high school or college.
He only lost. Trevor Lawrence, He only lost a game
in the playoffs the state championship his final year, like

(01:05:44):
a crazy upset. You can go read about the game.
It was a good one. And then at Clemson three
years Starter never lost a game in the regular season,
only lost in the championship to L. S. U. Burrow
and then last year in the semi Sohouse State. He
has never lost a regular season football game in his life.
Now that doesn't mean that he's gonna be awesome with
the Jags. I'm just telling you, this guy is really

(01:06:07):
freaking good, you know, Trevor lords I I'm so excit.
I hate to say it. I'm gonna be a Jacks
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(01:06:29):
you know him. He's been on plenty of times. He's
the guy if you if you ever wonder what's going
on with the Patriots, just go to Greg badard social
media feed and his website, Boston Sports Journal, and you'll
find out and hopefully Greg can help us make sense
of this Mac Jones affinity. Greg, how are you man? Good? Uh?
You know? I I'm I'm looking at the a f C. East.

(01:06:51):
I see the Jets gotta new quarterback, the Dolphins have
to everybody's chasing the Buffalo Bills, and I don't Are
the Patriots going to be in the cellar the division
this year? I highly doubted. I mean, we're a long
ways off from that. But um, look they have a
lot of a lot of different pieces putting even in

(01:07:11):
this draft, uh this season. And I am not the
biggest fans of one year turnaround with a lot of
roster shuffling, but look, there's no question that they are
much more talented team than they were at the end
of last season. And now the big question is how
quickly can it come together and who's going to be

(01:07:33):
the quarterback, Who's who's going to make it go? Do
you see a scenario where Mac Jones beats out Cam Newton.
I mean Cam was with McDaniels and Belichick last year.
I would assume Cam wins a job right, uh, for
opening day probably. I think at some point in time, Um,

(01:07:53):
I think at some point in time, Mac Jones overtakes.
I think it's just look, it's gonna become readily available
to all of us, and we will be out there
at training camp and we will be charting every pass
and it will be it will be apparent to all
of us who is running this offense better. Now do

(01:08:15):
do I think Mac Jones could do it in training
camp in the preseason? Yeah? I do. But um, outside
of some other weird move down the line like the
forty Niners releasing Garoppolo and him being available for cheap,
then I think it's probably Cam Newton week one to

(01:08:35):
say week four. But look, the bottom line is j
Mack Cam Newton cannot operate. And this is what I
wrote after they took Jones. Cam Newton cannot operate the
Patriots offense the way it is designed to be operated.
He just can't. He can't. He doesn't do the pre
snap checks, he doesn't know when he gets back to

(01:08:57):
pass what's going to happen. Whereas Mac Jones repeatedly at Alabama,
he he made upper level quarterbacking place and we did
not very rarely remember early Seattle, we saw a couple
of these plays, but it was very rare last year
that that Cam made any of those plays. And it's

(01:09:18):
just if you can't operate the Patriots offense the way
it's designed to be run, it's almost like, what's the point.
So at some point in time, it's not gonna work
here early with Cam, and they're gonna have to go
to Jones. Wow, Now this seems almost like an indictment.
I don't want to push back too hard, but I
mean Belichick could have just said, yeah, Cam is it
good at it? But they resigned him, they brought him back. Yeah,

(01:09:42):
I wouldn't look too much like that. I mean, you know,
look the whole Cam thing, it's not it's not like
Cam had any other shooters UM the past two off seasons. UM,
given the money that he signed for last year and
again this year. UM, and and look they needed a placeholder. UM.
We those of us who really know what's going on.

(01:10:04):
I knew that Sharts did him wasn't on the radar
at all in terms of the quarterback composition, so they
really didn't have a quarterback and the Candidton signing was just, hey,
break glass in case of emergency, if you know, if
things can't work, we need someone. And we liked Cam.
It's year two with him. Um, it's he knows where

(01:10:25):
the facility is. You don't have to start over from
scratch like and he's a good guy and you can
play winning football with Cam with a better surrounding cast.
But how much winning football? To me? It's well with
the new schedule. What it's you know, ten and seven
is probably the ceiling. Can mac Jones get you another

(01:10:47):
game or two? Possibly? It depends on how quickly he
gets everything. Yeah, I'm curious where you are. Like Belichick
and saving famously close relationships, Belichick's had some options. He
could have drafted a Jim Karen Uh, he could have
traded up for Tua, but he gets Matt jokes. Should
we read anything into this or or or not? Really like,
does this mean that this is like Belichick's favorite Alabama

(01:11:09):
quarterback ever to come out? Or did we didn't need
we didn't need anybody we had Tom Brady? Well, I mean, look,
in my opinion, in my lay opinion, I think that,
um you know that that Mac Jones to me, in
terms of what the Patriots do offensively, um, he's by
far the best Alabama quarterback to come around. Um, it's

(01:11:31):
it's it's not even close. Look, I you know, when
I studied the quarterbacks on film this offseason, I didn't
want to like Mac Jones. I don't watch much college football.
I don't have the time during the season. Until my
initial instinct was he's just another Alabama quarterback. He's a
J McCarron, He's Greg McElroy. I mean, I could play
quarterback of Alabama football games, you know, with the amount

(01:11:52):
of talent that's around. But when I turned on the
tape J Mac, you know, I was impressed. I was like,
I have him as my third rated quarterback in this class,
behind Lawrence and Wilson. I had him ahead of Fields
and Lance. In my opinion, I think that the three
quarterbacks Lance, Fields, and and Mac Jones landed where they

(01:12:15):
needed to and have their best chance. Now. I think
Justin Fields is in a tough position because Matt Magee
and you know, Ryan Pace could be fired after the season.
Now he's starting over and all that stuff. But Trey Lance,
I think his mobility and and his tools will work
well with Kyle Shanahan's offense. Justin fields should work well.

(01:12:37):
At some point in time, he's gotten mechanics that he
needs to clean up, um in Matt Mage's offense. And
hopefully that those guys aren't too desperate and just throwing
to the wolves before he's ready. But they probably will
and they'll all get fired. And and Mac Jones, he
would be a disaster with a lot of coaches and
a lot of schemes, but he went to the right scheme.

(01:12:58):
Josh McDaniels, Bill Belichick, they this is a team where
the offensive line is going to be excellent. They have
a really good running game. They have to now to
tight ends. They signed two receivers. They're gonna have a
really good defense. Um, you know, Mac Jones is not
going to be asked to do too much. It's almost
gonna sort of be like Alabama. And now the question

(01:13:19):
to me is when does he get the offense and
and how quickly does he overtake Cam Newton. All right now, Greg,
I'm going off Patriots here. Don't hate me for this question. Um, well, actually,
you you've covered the Packers before I get to the Niners.
Quickly on Aaron Rodgers, what any guesses as as to
the result here. Aaron Rodgers threatening I'll retire. You'll have

(01:13:39):
to get back a lot of money. Aaron Rodgers threatening
I don't want to go back there. I'm not playing again.
Any guesses is to the resolution? Uh? Yes, I covered
the Packers. Um. I wrote this shortly after their playoff loss,
that I said, Aaron Rodgers will make a power apply
this offseason. I mean it was it was predictable. Um.
I I tell that he he would come at the

(01:14:01):
end of the day, after cooling off and everything and
talking to people, he would come to the realization or
at least in his mind, that the Packers have failed
him for the last time and this is not the
way he's gonna end his career. Uh. I think I
think we get into and I went, I went to
the whole far thing. Um. I think we get to
a point where Aaron Rodgers is if he hasn't retired,

(01:14:25):
he's he's basically told the Packers he will retire. Um.
I don't know if he plays this year. I think
I think he sits out this year with retirement. And
then uh, he for that, he's gonna he's gonna basically
go from the far playbook. He's gonna he's gonna retire,
and he's gonna make them basically crede him at some

(01:14:48):
point in time. Huh oh man, I love that because
far of of course, the waffling on retiring and up
with the Jets and Viking real quick, Um and listen,
feel free to disagree with me. Um, did Mike Shanahan
get his guy? Or do you believe every person out there,
from Chris Simms whose buddies with Shanahan, from Schefter who

(01:15:09):
obviously knows the family well, and from Lombardi all of
them said they traded up for mac Jones. Who do
you believe wanted because it sounds like from Rappaport at
the front office and the scouts like Trey Lance, but
Shanahan like mac Jones. They I think they changed their mind.
I think if if the draft, if they made, if
the draft was right after the trade, I think mac

(01:15:30):
Jones would be with But I think given time time
to think about things, um, you know, sort of look
at the mirror that people were putting up in terms
of Shanahan, and you know if, and I do think
it's true that Mac Jones fits what he does more.
And I think Shanahan thought about it and said, you know,

(01:15:50):
I need to I need to up my scheme and
and and become more versatile and things like that. And
I think at the end of the day, you combine
that with the front offer, or at least the scouts
who pushed for Trey Lance. I think he changed his mind.
And it'll be interesting to see how this works out.
Because Kyle Shanna and the smart guy, and he knows

(01:16:12):
he knows what he's doing. I think he should have
stuck with his gut. But we'll see what happens. Oh.
I like that, all right? Greg Bdard follow him on
social media and he's at the Boston Sports Journal. Great outlet,
the best one for Patriots stuff. Greg, enjoy the weekend
the rest of the draft, Thanks buddy, appreciated, all right,
Greg Bdard. I feel I just feel smarter after listening
to him for a few minutes there um nuanced stuff

(01:16:35):
with the forty nine. I like that, and this Aaron
Rodgers stuff. You know, he was in Green Bay covered him.
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(01:16:56):
good stuff. If you miss that, you should listen to
the podcast. Just two interesting things jumped out. He thinks
the Rogers power play means no more Packers for Rogers.
Another Green Bay reporter just went on a radio station
and it went out there on social media that there's
less than a five percent chance Packer Packers have Brett

(01:17:19):
ut Aaron Rodgers under center next year. So again, it's early.
Maybe everybody's overreacting. Perhaps cooler heads will prevail, but as
of right now, it's sounding like no Aaron Rodgers in
Green Bay. And again, if you missed it earlier, Joe Montana.
The idea of Joe Montana not ending his career in
San fran was crazy until it ended in Casey. All right.

(01:17:44):
We saw it with Brett Farve. He went to the Jets,
and then he went to the Vikings, Peyton Manning, he
was the Colts, and then he ended in Denver. I
know there was an injury there in the next surgery,
but it happens. You know, Legends don't always end up,
do you think they're gonna end up like football is weird,
like that Tom Brady who thought Tom Brady would go

(01:18:06):
to Tampa and then win a Super Bowl. So this idea.
Don't rule it out that Aaron Rodgers is with the
Denver Broncos. Now I put this out there. You guys
know Gavin's a gambler. I gamble a little over a
month ago, and I tweeted it out at the time.
I took the Broncos plus I think forty eight hundred

(01:18:26):
to win the Super Bowl. Okay, win the Super Bowl
at the time, you know, a long shot. You know.
I love their off season. This is a playoff team.
Even with Bridgewater under center. I think he beats out
Drew Lock and they have awesome everybody's back healthy on offense,
and the defense should be really good. Fngio got another

(01:18:50):
one of his corners from Chicago, from Chicago when he
was with the Bears. He's got Callahan in the slot,
like they're gonna be a very tough defense, chub and
von Miller healthy. Just keep an eye on Denver. I
don't think they're gonna win the division. And I know
Gavin doesn't like hearing this because of the Chargers and listen, yes,
I get it. I just think it's massively overrated. I watched,
I kept hearing about these wide receivers and the weapons.

(01:19:13):
Jerry Judy dropped more passes than like any other receiver
in the like in the league last year. Can I
just blame them all on Drew Lock? And you can't.
That's the thing in that and happened some of their wins,
the ones against the Chargers, like, I mean, you saw
that game. That game ended on an official like, I
don't know. There's always sexy teams and everyone wants to

(01:19:34):
be out front on it. I just don't think a
team without a quarterback is that they have two backup quarterbacks.
They have Drew Lock and Teddy Bridgewater. Basically, if they
get Aaron Rodgers, that's a different, completely right discussion. Rogers, well,
I mean I would say if they got Rogers their
second after the Chiefs, right, yeah, I mean it's hard
to say that the reigning m v P next to

(01:19:56):
and Patrick Mahomes. Yeah, of course. And remember, um, you
know there was a learning Kurfer Brady at one point.
I think the Bucks were eight and five, eight and four.
They were not amazing and it was a weird offseason,
and he had a new city and a bunch of
new stuff. But again, we saw Jameis Winston lead Tampa
to what seven and nine and then they win the
Super Bowl. It's not out of the realm that you know,

(01:20:16):
Drew lock is not as good as James Winston um.
And we do have question marks about the coach too.
I don't know much about We don't offensive coordinator like
Aaron Rodgers will just steamroll that guy. All right, let's
quickly go interesting trend. So the Bengals take Jamaar Chase,
who was Joe burrows buddy in college at l s

(01:20:37):
U TA, and the Dolphins they grabbed Jalen Waddle at six.
By the way, I did think that was a reach,
Like I like Jalen Waddle a lot. Sixth overall, you
get a guy who's like six ft eight pounds coming
off with a broken ankle against Tennessee, like he's gonna
he's good. He's really good. I would love Wattle at
like sixteen as opposed to six. If you're drafting the

(01:20:59):
top five, six, you're gonna have to be like a
star big time. And I know he was a star.
At Alabama. But again, the NFL is a different animal.
I mean it's really hard to be I mean, Amari
Cooper went super high to the Raiders, what's considered not
a bus but like, oh, he's dropping a lot of passes.
Is this guy great that he goes to Dallas puts
up great numbers? But Mary Cooper is not like a

(01:21:21):
sniffing the Hall of Fame. He's no A J Green,
Julio Jones, Jalen Hurts, who is the new quarterback in Philly,
gets Davonta Smith. Now I didn't love trading up for
Davonta Smith, but Hurts and he were in the locker
room in Alabama. I don't think they played too much
together because, uh, you know, the Alabama receivers were stacked
and so they didn't play a ton of snapps together.

(01:21:43):
And then finally true Trevor Lawrence gets et n in Jacksonville,
and I like what's going I like how these teams
are throwing their quarterback a solid Hey, you had a
connection with that guy, Let's bring him in. I mean,
he just makes sense right. Like when I got hired
to Fox, instantly they were like, who's good? Jay? Who

(01:22:04):
do you want to bring in who should we talk to?
And like, I'm not even a franchise guy, you know,
I'm that receiver. I like to think, are you alright?
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(01:23:30):
like the fifth or sixth round late pick. We all
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(01:23:51):
we got a guest coming up here. Uh uh, he's
from He's from Chicago, and you know, I reached out
to him about the Bears because this is justin fields
a move. I loved it when it happened. Now, the
Bears were plus four, hunted to get justin fields. They
were sitting at twenty, and it had looked like all
the quarterbacks were gonna be gone. Then the tray Lance

(01:24:11):
curveball hits okay, and everybody passes on meaning everybody meaning
Caroline and Detroit and Denver all passed on quarterbacks. And
you're like, whoa, whoa, what's gonna happen. Who's gonna make
a move. Are the Raiders gonna do something dumb? We
know the Patriots had liked mac Jones. I had the

(01:24:32):
Patriots taking mac Jones and a bunch of my mock draft,
and then the team that jumped out was the Bear.
So I hit up my guy, Vick Chotsky. He covers
mostly gambling for bet Q. L Uh, Vick Chotsky. Vick
Vicky There, Yes, sir, I'm here. Good to talk to you, man,
How are you. He's also at Audesssey Audacy Sports bet QL.

(01:24:54):
He doesn't he's really good at gambling. We have some
fun gambling text chains h Vic obviously big nb A guy,
big NFL guy, but he's in Chicago. Vic, I gotta
ask you, were you stunned when they went up and
got Justin Fields. I was a little stunned, man. I
thought that being lame duck kind of GM coach situation,
the organization, the owners might kind of slap them on

(01:25:16):
the wrist a little bit and tell them to sit
tight and not mortgage of the future. Right. But I
absolutely love the move. I love Justin Fields. I've been
high on him for a long time now. And so
I'm excited as a Bears fan, I'm excited, but I'm
also a little scared. You know, you're a Jets fan,
you know how this is the Bears, and the Jets
haven't had the best development of quarterbacks as as we

(01:25:38):
like to say it, right, And so it does scare
me now that Ryan Pace's job is going to be
secure and he's going to kind of put the onus
on Matt Naggie. Now, right, he I got you the
quarterback that you wanted. I got you a stud tackle
in the second round. Now it's on you to kind
of cater to their strength and utilize these guys that
I got you. Now, Yeah, I I do wonder we

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talked with this about Greg Bdard, Like, you know, Andy
Dalton is probably gonna win the job. It sounds like,
you know, Fields I think is very good, but Andy
Dalton probably wins a job. And let's just say, you know,
Fields comes in and there two and five or whatever,
and they win four or five games. We would assume
Naggy and Pierce or Toast, right, Yeah, yeah, it's gonna

(01:26:20):
be very interesting. I would say if they have a
very bad losing season that the coach gets fired and
Paced his job is safe. I really do think he
secured his feat in the organization for the next couple
of years off of his first two draft picks. Uh
now that that that is interesting? So they would keep Pace?
Would you let him pick the next head coach? Because uh,

(01:26:43):
you know, Niggy didn't quite work out. I know a
lot of people are gonna say, well, what about b Enemy,
He's got to get a job, Like they just went
to Kansas City and got Naggy. They're not going back
to Kansas City in the Andy retreat. You know, it
does get interesting if you're like, hey, you got Justin Fields,
why don't you get him a college signal caller? An
run at Lincoln Riley? Right, remember all the Bob Stops

(01:27:04):
talk back in the day. Uh you know, well Bob
Stops has a place in Chicago. You know Ryan Day
from Ohio State. I mean there's a lot of permutation.
So is it it's a cautious excitement about Justin Fields? Right?
It is? It is? And you nailed it. I mean
that's the new trend right now, going back to college
getting those hot signal callers, and and that's definitely where
I would see them going next. But at the same time,

(01:27:27):
Ryan Naggie hasn't had a losing season quote unquote right
so far, and so he's kind of putting his hat
on that. But it will be an interesting, fun year.
Like you said, Dalton is going to be the starting quarterback.
We're gonna see how long that lasts. The Bears have
a very tough schedule coming up this season, and so
I can see things going south. But the old line

(01:27:49):
is one of our biggest concerns as a team, and
I'm glad to see that they addressed that getting a
really big, tough, strong kid, a nasty kid, and Kevin
Jenkins in the second round. So I'm actually just as
excited about that second round pick as I am the
fields pick. Now, I do want to ask you, Vic,
how much did you gamble on the draft this year,

(01:28:10):
because it feels like this was probably the most gambled
on draft ever. I do want to let the audience
know the largely low limits. You can't go in and
put five dollars on X to go to this certain team, right,
I mean the limits were pretty low market wide, right
they are they are? I mean again, it all depends
and if you're using the legit websites nowadays, or you know,

(01:28:34):
if you have your guy quote unquote, But you're right,
I've not seen a event rise this quickly in the
gambling space as I have. The NFL Draft, It's just
gotten bigger and bigger, And like you said, this year
definitely seemed like it was one of the biggest betting
events behind the Super Bowl and March Madness, right. So
to answer your question, I was definitely all in. I mean,

(01:28:56):
me and you are in the space, so we kind
of live, eat, breathe football, all gambling, and so I
had a mass array of That's my biggest bet that
I had was on Kyle Pits to be the first
non quarterback selected. I had laid down a little bit
of juice on that. I got it at minus one fifty.
By draft day it was minus three hundred, and so
I was confident that, you know, the most he would

(01:29:17):
fall is to four and he'd be the first guy
that wasn't a quarterback. So that that was a nice
little hit for me. But it was a lot of fun.
I'm definitely all in. It's been It adds a little
bit of excitement even to new gamblers, and and you're right.
It is low limits, but it just makes the whole
event even more fun for just even novice betters or

(01:29:38):
just fans of teams. Now, I gotta be honest, Vic,
we do talk a lot. The audience probably doesn't know this.
So I'll go heavy on NFL. I'll do heavy on
the college football. I'm all all in on March Madness,
like heavy, and then I take a break. I I
gotta be honest. I'm not one of these guys who
reaches and says, let me jump into baseball. I can't
find an edge there. You can only go where you

(01:29:59):
find didn edge. Do you think you have an edge?
And I don't have one in baseball? I don't have
one in regular season NBA this year. Vick and I,
by the way, used to bet every single game of
the NBA every night of the NBA season. We do
picks um, but I don't know. I take a break
after March Madness. You know there's a lot of new
gamblers coming into the market. What advice would you give
them about? Hey man, it's okay to not lay money

(01:30:23):
on the Kentucky Derby if you don't have an edge. No,
I think that's terrisk advice. And that's really good life
advice for anything, right, and so you shouldn't kind of
go outside of your limits. You shouldn't just try to
bet on things because hey, it's the cool thing, or
it's on TV today. You shouldn't bet on games when
you're on tilt. I mean, those are all things that

(01:30:44):
I think we've paid the price and learned over the years, right,
And so I'm similar to you when it comes to baseball,
that's when I take my break. That's when I find
tune get ready for the NFL season. The NBA playoffs
is where I'll get back into it a little bit
more heavily. The NBA Raft is coming up. You know,
that's another big event that you can now gamble on.

(01:31:04):
But yeah, that's what I would give just in general,
is just find your niche find the sports that you're
good at. Always try to find an edge, gain as
much information as you can, and go off of that. Now, Vica,
I want to wrap up quickly with U. I saw
a story in the Chicago Sun Times. I didn't tell
you about this, but it was about this guy, uh, somebody,

(01:31:24):
some joker named Big Rob. He was profiled by you know,
I think unfortunately Darren Ravell I got we both know.
I think he profiled him. And then USA Today jumped
in and wrote a piece, and you know, I was like, Oh,
it's this guy the future of sports betting, and it
was just some He's just some dude. He's just some bozo.
And it turns out, oh wait a sack. He was

(01:31:46):
a gigantic fraud. Basically, he was taking investor money from
his girlfriend's dad. He was he was just the guy
was wealthy and he was just like, oh, here's fives.
And this big rob character goes out and says, oh,
look I'm renting a Ferrari and look yeah, I'm gambling
on sports and I'm winning. And he's just a big fraud.

(01:32:07):
He's going to jail for twenty eight months because he's
his whole life was a lie. Basically, the prosecutors said,
we saw the story in USA Today and it's like,
wait a second, let's look into this dude, and he
was just a big phony. He was stealing money, uh,
and then investing it and then wasting it. And he's
going to jail. Vick, can we talk to the people
out there about just ignore the Johnny come Lately? These

(01:32:32):
idiots who are like, oh, I got my whale play
of the century. Like when you hear some stuff, can
you tell them to avoid this? Like, I feel bad
these people are getting led to slaughter. It is it's tough.
I mean, that's our new day and age because of
social media and marketing, right, and so it's you know,
shining new toys, posting on Instagram stories showing stacks of

(01:32:56):
money and when you're just a new gambler and we've
been there, like I was a young kid when I
was in my twenties, somebody told me about a website
to check out because this guy was hot quote unquote,
and I would like follow his picks blindly, right, And
so now all of that is amplified thanks to social
media on the website. So you're you're right, it's something

(01:33:16):
that you really need to be aware of. I know,
you make some great post. Hot firm and has had
some really good stuff on Twitter that you know, this
takes a lot of time. It takes a lot of
work if you want to actually make money in the
space and to you know, just be aware of these
kind of guys quote unquote that posts all of these
cool girls and cars and courtside tickets. It's something that

(01:33:40):
if it was that easy, all of us would be retired, right.
If it was that easy, Vegas wouldn't have these amazing hotels.
We'd just be kind of living on island. So, you know,
like you said, word of caution to everyone out there. Unfortunately,
that guy is went to high school where my kids
might go to high school. So's he's local for you
that that scares me a little bit. Yep. So that's

(01:34:02):
why I've been on top of the story for the
last couple of years, because he is a local guy here. Yeah,
just have some skepticism when you hear about guys who
are like lock City, Oh this is automatic, this is
a six figure place. Any of that stuff is like
a big red flag. Like, dude, I mean, vic, if
you're an awesome gambler and you have an edge and

(01:34:23):
you're making money and cleaning up, you don't usually share
that information with everybody. You know, if you're a professional gambler,
you're quietly doing it in the dark. You don't need
all that. Uh look at me, I'm wealthy and I
clean up. You know, you don't do that exactly. And again,
that's what anything in life, right, because if it feels
that easy. We'd all be doing it, everyone would be rich,

(01:34:44):
everyone will be the bus at their profession. And so
you're right, especially when it comes to gambling, you don't
want to give out that kind of information because you
know the odds makers will move those lines, they'll shorten
your limits, that everything, and we've been there, we've seen
it all. So again, you have your close little circle
that you share information or some edge picks with, but
other than that, like you said, be aware of those

(01:35:06):
guys for sure. All right. You can follow him on
Twitter at doc squad thirty three, which is interesting because
he's a Jordan guy. Vic Chotzky, Vic, thanks a lot,
enjoy the rest of the draft and uh well we'll
talk to you about the NBA NBA playoffs pretty soon, Yes, sir,
take care, Thanks for having me. All right, that was Vic. Listen.
I'm telling you, guys, if you find that story in

(01:35:26):
the Chicago Sun Times, if you google Chicago Sun Times,
big Rob, you just read about it. These guys are
frauds in their phonies and it's really pathetic that the
media champions He's Yeah, Gavin could tell him getting upset.
I don't want to say anything to get to be
in trouble. But I'm hanging in tight here. Jets are
on the clock. The pick is in fourth round. The

(01:35:46):
Jets take with selection one oh seven. All right, it's
taken forever. Leon Washington, the former punt returner for the Jets,
is about to announce it. Um and Leon Washington was good. Yes,
the Jags picked up a usc def of Lineman. I'm
telling you, Jags are killing the draft guys. I don't
want to give urban Meyer too much credit. I don't
even know who the GM is. Hey, Jets pick up

(01:36:07):
Michael Carter, the second best running back in North Carolina. Uh,
Michael Carter all American? Wow, Bulky is the Jaguars GM. Oh.
He was the guy who went toe to toe with
Jim Harbaugh. Yeah. Absolutely, that's why it makes sense that

(01:36:29):
he's with Urban Meyer, who's also a foe of Jim Harbaugh.
Yeah indeed. Oh that's right. He hated Harball. Alright, So
Michael Carter to the Jets, running back out of North
Carolina third team. He paired with Javante I think williams Uh,
the kid who went second round. Carter can play and
he's going to do well in this scheme running attack

(01:36:50):
that la Fleur runs. It's Lafleur's brother is the guy
who coaches the Packers, and he was I think the
quarterbacks coach with the Niners last year. Now he's the
o c gonna run with the Niners. Did they picked
up Tevin Coleman who I mean, obviously Tevin Coleman crushed
when he was healthy. And they kid they got the
kid p Ryan out of Florida last year in the draft. Listen,

(01:37:10):
Sam Donald is gonna be so angry looking at how
much the Jets are getting offensive players. They got a quarterback,
a guard, a wide receiver, and a running back all
in the top one seven picks. Okay, I think they're
gonna probably lean on the defense here in later rounds
because Robert Sala needs defenders. But I'm telling you right now,
the New York Football Jets, they're not going to be pushovers, Gavin,

(01:37:32):
this is gonna be a totally different Jets team than
we've seen. New quarterback, new head coach, new offense, new
uh tackle no, no, not new tackles, sorry, new guard
next to their tackle, new receivers, new running backs, new
defensive line with Carl Lawson, like, this is a new
Jets team. C J. Mosley's back. They're not gonna look

(01:37:52):
anything like last year when they were awful. All right,
Coming up next year on Fox Sports Radio, the draft
rolls on and we got a good guest coming up
in fifteen minutes, r J. Young. He did the Fox
Sports Draft with me. Uh coverage college football heavily. You
give me a name, hit me a name on social
media of a player you want to know about, I
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(01:38:14):
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(01:38:57):
Fox Sports Radio. Forgive me for the excitement. Listen, there
hasn't been a lot to be excited about if you're
a Jets fan. They have the longest playoff draft of
anybody in the NFL, now that the Browns made the
playoffs last year. So when we can latch onto a
klonel anything, even drafting an All American running back in

(01:39:23):
the fourth round like Michael Carter, We're gonna get fired up.
It's not like we got it felt like I'm Gavin
rooting for Austin Ekeler in the Chargers. By the way,
Austin Ekeler, what round was he taking? I mean that's
a great questions. A mid round pick like he wasn't
like a first or second round guy, I don't think.
And like, yeah, Isaac just confirmed. Yeah, I mean, like, listen,

(01:39:45):
you can find undrafted guy like Austin Ekeler, then yeah,
Michael Carter can pop. He was the guy that that
Anthony Lynn said, play good on special teams and you'll
get more of a more of a role, and he
did that. He showed out in the preseat that in Spain.
I mean, he basically unseated Melvin Gordon. Right. Well, Gordon
heard himself, made it an easy transition go ahead, so

(01:40:11):
you could find running backs and receivers anywhere. But without question, like,
the Jets have real reason to be excited. I mean,
there's just no doubt. Like the division. Yeah, the Bills
are on top. Everybody's chasing them. Patriots, we'll see. I'm
not a believer at this point. Uh. And then I
don't I don't know about Miami. I mean, Kevin you

(01:40:31):
you you gambled a lot. We rode Miami folks because
they kept getting lucky on special teams. I think they
were third in turnover margin, led the league in the
interceptions like top five or six and special teams all
season and they were one of the luckier teams in
the league. Gavin, there's gonna be a regression in Miami.
And remember Ryan Fitzpatrick was like their best quarterback last year.

(01:40:56):
That is undeniable. The tow of fans, and there's lots
of them have reason to be concerned. There's a reason
they tried to get Deshaun Watson from Houston. Okay, Deshaun
Watson is a great quarterback to a tongue Valoa is
we will see. Um, I don't. There's no way for
us to show this video, guys, but there is a

(01:41:17):
video of Zach Wilson, of course, because I have to
go back to the jetile quick. So it's I guess
it's like the first five or six picks, Gavin. We're
on like the red carpet or wherever they were, and
they were like taking a picture and one of the guys,
Jalen Waddle, I'm pretty sure right because he has the
shades throws up like you know the Some people were
joking that it was a gang sign, but it's like

(01:41:39):
what up or whatever. And the guy, this big, huge
guy who I still don't know who that is. I
don't think it's Kyle Pitts, but it's an enormous guy
on the other side of Zack Wilson is like doing
the same thing. And then there's Zach Wilson's looking around
sheepishly and he looks small, he looks tiny, and he
looks intimidated by these large football players throwing up gang signs.

(01:42:03):
And somebody wrote like a funny caption where Zach Wilson's
looking for the National Guard. It's really funny. Uh look,
we don't know anything. It's a little like the Kobe
Matt Barnes video. There could be some other angle and
it shows what was really happening. Maybe someone was flashing
him right there on off screen. I don't know, but
Zach Wilson man get ready for that New York media.

(01:42:27):
So remember Sam Donald threw a pick six on his
first pass I think ever against against came back upon
the game like ten or whatever. But I read this
about Zack Wilson. So he was a great athlete in
high school, great basketball player, good football player. And Boise
State offers him and he's all set to go to

(01:42:49):
Boise State and b why you comes in late and
one of their selling points was like, dude, we know
you're a Mormon home guy, loved dinner with your family,
don't drink blah blah blah. You gotta be why you.
You could have dinner with your family every weekend if
you want. Zach Wilson was like, I'm in here's a
family guy. They ain't gonna be Mark Sanchez chatting around

(01:43:09):
New York City posing on the coverage g Q, uh,
you know, hooking up with girls every weekend, and you know,
being like a playboy and enjoying it. That's not what
this is. This isn't gonna be Sam darl going around
making out with chicks getting um pneumonia. You got pneumonia, right, yeah,
I got mono. I'm sorry. Yeah. Yeah. They called it

(01:43:31):
the kissing disease because all Sam Donald was doing was
going around enjoying life. Like you're in New York City,
You're the quarterback of a football team, You're making millions
of dollars. Zach Wilson needs to move his family to
New York City. He does, and he needs to live
inster Can I temper your expectations on Zach Wilson. This
is one of my favorite articles of the off season.

(01:43:51):
This was from Charlie Campbell of Walter Football. Anonymous NFC
scout says, Zach Wilson is Johnny Manziel without the drugs.
Wilson has fun to watch, but he is a one
year flash in the pan. His uncle owns Jet Blue,
He's a spoiled rich kid. Wilson has character concerns entitled bratt.

(01:44:14):
Parents are a pain, not a leader, selfish, and he's
a no at all. That was in Walter. I know
that is a brutal character assassination. I didn't know his
his uncle owned Jet Blue. But okay, you got you
have uncles and aunts. Of course, whatever they've done, whether
they're successful, that doesn't impact you know. I think it's

(01:44:35):
about his you know, are you gonna hold it against
someone that his family grew up wealthy? You know that
happen isn't a lot of a lot of it wasn't
Josh Rosen. I think they were well yea, his dad
was like some but that's direct. Like, you know, I
have uncles and ants, like if they were loaded, it
wouldn't impact me. It doesn't. Yeah, yeah, they're not getting
me a private jet or you know, they're not buying

(01:44:57):
me houses and they're not gonna buy me cars like okay, um,
sounds like that. Read the rest of it real quick.
Someone will grab him in the first round. I doubt
he gets to the second. Well, this was obviously no
flash in the pan and then flash in the pan.
Character concerns because he's a rich kid who's an entitled
brat um parents are a pain. I don't know why. Okay,

(01:45:18):
our guests coming up. R. J. Young will know this,
like to my recollection, Zack Wilson was nothing great early
in his career at b y U, and he had
to earn the starting job last year. He earned it
and then crushed it. But let's bring on our guests
coming up after the break will be R. J. Young
covers college football for Fox Sports. Did a lot of
stuff with me on the draft. He's great. Uh, he's

(01:45:40):
a little combative, so hopefully you guys will be prepared
for that. But first let's go to Isaac Loewen Crown
with what's trending? All right, Jason, the fourth round of
the NFL Draft is underway. Let's run it down for you.
With the first pick of the fourth round, number one
oh six overall, the Jaguars drafted USC defensive tackle j
To Fele, followed by the New York Jets selecting North

(01:46:01):
Carolina running back Michael Carter. Something something, something happened back there,
Michael Carter. Uh, you can never separate the Jets fandom
from our own, Jason McIntire, of course. Then the Falcons
drafting San Diego State cornerback Darren Hall, the Titans picking
Louisville receiver Dez Fitzpatrick, the Cleveland Browns then drafting University

(01:46:24):
of Cincinnati offensive tackle James Hudson, the Bengals selecting two
lane defensive lineman Cameron Sample, and the Lions have just
selected another USC player, receiver almand Ross st Brown, with
the one hundred and twelfth overall pick. The Lions actually
are on the clock again because they have the next
pick at one thirteen overall. Here is the latest on

(01:46:45):
the Aaron Rodgers drama. Green Day. Packers president Mark Murphy
a short time ago posted his regular monthly column on
the Packers website and posted quote, Thursday was definitely a
day filled with more intrigued than usual. The day started
with the report that Aaron Rodgers is upset with the
Packers and doesn't want to return. This is an issue

(01:47:05):
we have been working on for several months. We are
very much aware of Aaron's concerns and have been working
with him to resolve them. We remain committed to Aaron
in one and beyond. Again. That was posted a short
time ago by Packers President Mark Murphy. Rogers, for his part,
is expected to be in attendance later today at the

(01:47:25):
Kentucky Derby and Jason get this w g B A
Television out of Green Bay has just posted the first
picture of Rogers at Churchill Downs today. He's part of
a group of twelve people that includes his fiancee, I
see Packers teammate David Baktieri, his former Packers teammate Randall

(01:47:46):
Cobb now with the Texans, and another former teammate, a J. Hawk.
People are going crazy analyzing this picture on social media already.
Rogers is wearing a black suit and pants, a purple shirt,
no tie, white shoes, a Derby hat, dark sunglasses, and
a scruffy looking beard. It's kind of hipster meets Churchill Down.

(01:48:08):
But that photo hold of Are you looking at the photo?
I'm looking at the photo as we spend He hanging
out with Miles Teller, the actor that is Miles Teller
on the far right. Are you are you looking at
the photos? I just called it up? Yeah? So his
wife is she? Okay? Aaron Rodgers or fiance is there?
Miles Teller's girlfriend and Miles Teller and Roger's fiance like

(01:48:29):
co started together back in the day? Right? Interesting? Yes? Yes, yes, yes, okay?
Good stuff. Aaron Rodgers, what are you doing with that hat?
He looks he looks like a sidewalk magician. Gracious, all right,
thank you, Isaac. Good stuff. All right, let's welcome to
the show back here Fox Sports Radio. Let's bring my
man in, r J. Young. We did the draft together

(01:48:50):
for Fox. It was awesome. I met r J. He's
a Midwest guy, came out here. R J is always
firing on all cylinders. How are you this morning, man?
I'm good. J Mac. Though I would put over a
squarely in the south South Okay, So a Midwest would
be more Chicago, Iowa. You guys are South Okay. Uh large.

(01:49:11):
And let's start right here. Let's start with the big
news about Aaron Rodgers. I'm curious as to your thoughts.
Where do you think Aaron Rodgers ends up this offseason?
Or is he stay in green Bay? Retire? You got options.
I think he's got to stay in Green Bay, and
I think that's because it's difficult for the Packtors to
trade him. They signaled that they don't really care what

(01:49:32):
you want when they took Eric Stokes in the first
round and didn't get him a wide receiver. We know
that story fact by now, he has not had a
coarse round wide receiver since he has been at Green Bay.
But more than that, you look at his contract that
paid him to point eight million dollars in or watch
your bonus all day, which means they would have to
be paying seve million dollars just trade him. And then

(01:49:52):
there's this aspect of it that, yeah, we'll be talking
about stellar captain. You know that there's thirty eight million
dollars is that they would bas gonna be spending to
trade him. That goes down to seventeen million next year.
But the thing for me is it's fifty thousand dollars
day to miss these organized event o, t A and
training camp in the life last said, I looked thirty

(01:50:14):
sifty dollars. There's a lot of money, even for Aaron Rodgers.
I don't think he has the back phones to sist this. Now,
Jordan's Love goes out there and goes thirty two or
thirty eight to three forty four with four touchdowns. You
will show up tomorrow, r J. Come on. First of all,
Aaron Rodgers has more money than God. I'm just kidding.
He does not. He has a lot of money, so nothing,

(01:50:36):
but it would be interesting. I'm curious where did you
come in on Jordan's love. You saw him in college,
I mean, were you impressed with the guy or like,
how would he stack up compared to this this year's
five quarterbacks in the first round. The way that he
stacked up to the quarterback last year and the year
before that, I didn't get it. I don't understand. Look,
if you're going to day, you saw something that you

(01:50:56):
obviously like you thought could work within your system and
within your club up. But when I saw at Utah
Stake was a guy that lets the entire FBS in interception.
He's through seventeen picks in just twenty t d s
and it's last year of college football, and men, you've
drafted that dude, it's thirty two. Now. I think it

(01:51:17):
works in the entrance. If the strategy here is to
piste off Aaron Rodgers so he plays up to an
m v P caliber, then yeah, it works. And I
would spend my rapt capital doing that for as long
as it does work, because I thought the thing to
do this year is to double down on what you
did last year, continue to build after defense, find another
weapon to go on the other side of Davante Adams

(01:51:38):
and run it back. But with this drama that is
alongside Aaron Rodgs contract, and he wants to be a
King show host and now he doesn't want to be
in Green Bay anymore. I would wash my hands of it.
If I'm them right, I think that you try to
get everything you can for want of these three suitors.
Niners doesn't feel like a sooner anymore. They took trade Lance,
but perhaps they'd be willing to trade him. I like

(01:51:59):
him a little bit better than towards Love. But if
George Loves were coming up there and show everybody that
I'm wrong, more power to him. I just don't see it. Yeah,
I'm kind of with you. I don't really see it
with the kid, and and if you're the GM, I
just think you're overthinking things. Yeah, let's bring in Jordan's love,
even though we just went to the NFC title game.
All right, R J Young, I want you to dive

(01:52:20):
in quickly. Give me your thoughts on Trey Lands versus
Mac Jones. Um, you know Mac Jones falls to the Patriots,
Trey Lands goes through Justin Fields is the guy we
both like, I think who ends up in Chicago. But
you know Trey Land, do you think he'll be successful
in San France. No, justin fields like I love that
you use might qub one even ahead of larch Up
another discussions. But I like Land, but I like Matt Jones.

(01:52:44):
And the reason I do is I want the most
athletic persons possible, and at quarterback always, I want the
most athletic person with the ball in his hands every
single time we play football. Sometimes that means distributing the
ball to other guys that are athletics, but when plays
break out and I need somebody that can make or
play off schedule, I like Tree Lance here especially measured

(01:53:05):
against Mac Jones, because they got the same number of starts.
And when I talked to quarterback trainers and I talked
to quarterback coaches, the one thing they all agree on
is that you need to play a lot of footballs
be successful in the National Football League. And that is
where I think both of those guys come up short.
And then you take into account that we don't know
the caliber athlete the Tree Lance played with. We only

(01:53:26):
know that it was at the FCS level, and we
generally believe that the FCS is a little bit better.
We know that Matt Jones and absolute monsters like a
real monsters at every single position. He only got stacked
eleven times the third team games. I'm gonna bet on
Tree Lance here. Yeah, interesting, now are j This is
what makes it so difficult when you look at who

(01:53:48):
becomes better in the NFL, Like a lot of it
has to do with where you go, who your teammates are,
who this coaches is, the owner's stable. Is the GM
rotating all the time, Like Justin Fields. There's a scenario
where the Bear go five and twelve in the seventeen
game season and the coach and the GM get fired,
and then Justin Fields is back to square one because
the new guy may not like him. Similar to Joe

(01:54:09):
Douglas coming into the Jets, He's like, yeah, Sam Donald, whatever,
let's move on. Um, I'm curious where you are on
Zach Wilson because the Jets new regime head coach and
GM picked them, picked him as their guy. We'll see, seriously,
we'll see. I've seen him compared by NFL personnel that

(01:54:31):
I really respect, to Kyler Murray and who us on below.
I just don't see it coming out of Ribon Young
and I think that his personality though, we're gonna figure
out a lot about whether or not he's the guy
just by how he hand media there. But in his
courter I will give him that. People forget this as
a freshman, not even a freshman. As a senior in
high school, he took two b y U cheerleaders to

(01:54:54):
his senior cross. That's okay, that's a real that happened.
That happened. There's there is photographic evidence on the interwebs
right now of that picture. And they're both kissing him
on the cheeks. It's one of my favorite facts about
any of these quarterbacks going in this first round. He
is there as a full personality and he is going

(01:55:14):
to embrace I think the culture there. We just want
to I just want to know that it works. YEA,
Provo is a lot friendlier to him than New York
will be, especially if he doesn't come out of the
gate and like, people up, all right, let's quickly, let's
end on this one two thousand twenty two draft. I
know it's a year away. People are like, come on, relax.
Everybody loves quarterbacks. But there's no Trevor Lawrence in this class.

(01:55:35):
There's a bunch of good and a bunch of potentially
good J. T. Daniels, Desnet Ritter, Sam Howell, Keithan Slovis,
Is there someone to use it? Jumps out? Is the
best quarterback to look for next year? I think it's
Rattler man. I think it's Spencer Rattler at Oklahoma. And
the only other guy that I put in that conversation
right now is Sam Howell because a lot of the

(01:55:57):
similarities that Baker Mayfield had he had and he's flipping
a program around the same way that Baker took a
program that was going into the seller back to the
college football playoffs. But the thing is Rattlers got this
ability just to flip his wrist in the ball got
seventy yard. He's tremendously accurate. And the thing he has
going for him that none of the other Oklahoma quarterbacks

(01:56:18):
who have been drafted highly have is four years three
years of Lincoln Riley being his head coach. Is the
first guy that we're going to see Riley developed from
high school onward at Oklahoma. Remember, Tyler Murray transferred in,
Baker Mayfield transferred before he got there, and Janalen Herts,
of course spains the Grassmans for from Alabama. I really

(01:56:38):
liked him, and I really think he's gonna have an
opportunity to show that with a team around him, that
is capable of winning the national championship this year. All right,
he is r J. Young. Follow him on Twitter at
r J Young Show r J Great working music this
week then and we'll talk soon. I appreciate J Mac.
I'm going alright, r J. Young, That guys good. He
knows college football as well as anybody. Um. Interesting, say

(01:57:00):
M Howell North Carolina. I had to look this up.
In his games against ranked teams last year, eleven t
s one pick, but he's like six one. Maybe is
like a thick six one. Um, quarterbacks are getting shorter.
I guess with the spread offenses doesn't really matter right.
Coming up next, we will wrap up the show. Fox

(01:57:23):
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Did they? Oh? I didn't even know that. That's a

(01:57:44):
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you have new followers or people like something. And I

(01:58:27):
see somebody like to flurry on my post and I
look at the name them, like Cooper Cup. It must
be like some fan who's taken the name Cooper Cups.
Like click on the profile and it's the real Cooper Cup.
I'm like, what the heck? Cooper Cup of the Rams
is a fan of my work. I was like, oh,
there you got something I did not know. Now he

(01:58:48):
doesn't follow me, but he liked it's possible that he's
in his car right now. Gavin Or was this morning
because it happened like forty minutes ago or whatever, and
heard some of the takes about the Rams. Who I
think of the second best team in the NFC. It's
possible that he just you know, saw me on the
Fox Pod podcast or saw me on current Cowherd show whatever,
and Cooper Cup is like, I like with this guy's selling,

(01:59:12):
and so I guess Cooper Cup is a fan. Can
I can? I can give out the phone number. I'm
assuming Cooper Cup has better things to do on a
Saturday morning. But just just further scrutinized the photo that
Isaac found. Um, Aaron Rodgers, I'm assuming Buck tr is
right next to him. The guy's huge, Uh, I don't
know the other two dudes, Miles Teller's obvious, Miles Teller's girl. Yes, Um,

(01:59:39):
I just don't understand Aaron Rodgers. Like when you go
to the Kentucky Derby, it's supposed to be like a
spring vibe, a summary feel you're supposed to wear as
Tom Brady does every year, Like pastel colors. Aaron Rodgers
wearing a black suit like he's going to a funeral,
a funeral. Fris packer career zing. I know you guys

(02:00:02):
like that one, but I think you described it best.
Sidewalk magician like that. So, so from left to right,
it's Rogers bok tri former Packer a j unidentified person
after that. Then second from right is Randall Cobb, former
Packers receiver now the Texans, and then Miles Teller. Yeah,
Randall Cobb, Okay, I recognize him. Unidentified guys probably like

(02:00:24):
their agent, high school buddy something, but good, good find
on that, Isaac. Look at you making yourself very useful.
I like it, Isaac. Any draft thoughts you want to
fire off while you're hot? Thank you if I do
say so myself for the compliment. No, you know, I was.
I was going to. I was gonna go with the

(02:00:44):
it's my prerogative with Bobby Brown, but Ramos beat me
to the punch. That song, by the way, on our
Own was on the soundtrack for the movie Ghostbusters too.
By the way, just attribute to the original, so does
most of the world. I didn't see as gave. I'll
steal a Gavin word here. I didn't see the woke
twenty nineteen version or whatever. Yeah, I came up with

(02:01:06):
that word it around. Hey, somebody just texted me the
Cowboys took another linebacker Barnes. Oh wait, did I get
it right? No? No, Jabril Cox. That was the lines
that took Derek Barnes. Yeah, the Cowboys took Cox out
of L s U. So what what are they doing?

(02:01:27):
Just when is linebacker or an integral position? I mean
they are they dumping Jalen Smith and I was not aware? Hey,
can I give up my pet peeve of the draft
so far? This term edge came out of nowhere. But
when they're listed, they're just listed edge Now used to
be defensive ends, linebacker, now it's edge. Yeah. My guess
is edge rushers are the new breed are like a

(02:01:51):
little lighter than the older ones. Defensive ends like two
ed dressers like to five. They get that bend around
that tweener thing where now it's good. Yeah? Yeah, you
can either drop back in the coverage or move up. Now,
I like not this isn't an edge, but Cam Chancellor
is kind of that hybrid. He can play in safety,

(02:02:11):
cover safety, cover um tight ends from his safety spot,
move up in the box, tackle anybody. Durwin James, you
had these tweeners. You want to be a tweeter, you know,
you don't want to fit into a box. Um. John
Ramos has a kid that's a tweener, twelve years old.
Twelve tweet. Yeah, yeah, yeah, what are they? Who are

(02:02:32):
those twins? The twins? They were like the tweet. They
cornered the tween market and made hundreds of millions of dollars. Um.
All right, everybody makes sure to have a good weekend.
It's uh, it's a tough parting here. But it sounds
like Gavin is moving on up in the world. Uh
he obviously. You know, Gavin has worked with Doug Gottlieb

(02:02:53):
a lot. Doug Gottlieb lost his producer, and it sounds
like Gavin is going to be moving to Doug Gottlieb show.
Congratulate dude. Thank you Jason. I think working with you
over the past few years has prepped me for this,
So I have you to thank and I can only
hope that the next producer makes us much fun of
the Jets as I did come here. Please. Uh yeah,

(02:03:13):
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