06/27/2021 - FOX Sports Sunday with Bernie Fratto and Cuttino Mobley - Fox Sports Radio

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You're listening to Fox Sports Radio, and off we go.
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as we've got an overflow of sports topics to tackle

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and we've only got three hours, so let's get busy.
But first, well, let me bring in my Fox Sports
Radio partner. And yes, he's the biggest thing to come
out of Philadelphia since Harold Melbourne and the Blue Notes
are the spinners. Let's say hello again to eleven year
NBA veteran Coatino Mobile. What's up, Cotino? How you live
in soccer game? Today? Soccer soccer is over for right now,

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so we're starting basketball training, so you're given the competition arrest, right,
you know? I was in I forgot. I was in Vegas,
UH for like two days from my god daughter. She
turned twenty wonderful, so I was out there. Um, I
have fun. I went to uh, her father and mother
took me to um, what do you call it? Bobby Flay?

(01:05):
Great spot man, Wow, I loved it. It was great. Well,
hope you had a good time, and I hope you
didn't bring your jacket because you didn't need it. No,
not at all. It was too hot. I really do
anything in Vegas, and when I was younger was always good.
You know what I'm saying. Burn, But now it's like
I just want to eat some really good food, catch
the show, and just like go back to sleep. There's
nothing wrong with that. Now, I gotta tell you. There's

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plenty of places to do that as well. Plenty of
a couter mons where you can have a five star meal,
plenty of comfort, go back to a nice relaxing room
with air conditioning, sauna, whatever you want, and get that
R and R because yeah, you scored twelve thousand points.
Man yearned it right. Speaking of points, they couldn't score
in the last five minutes. You know, continue we talked

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about this a couple of weeks ago. I have really
enjoyed these NBA playoffs. I've really thought they're very competitive.
There are new storylines developing, But my goodness, last night
that Clippers Sons game, particularly in the last five minutes.
In full disclosure, I was rooting for the Clippers now

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and then like to see my buddy Ben Maller sit
on the throne and uh Bragg on his clippers some more,
and I'd like to see the other l A team
have their day in the sun. Seems like Steve Baumber
is a good guy, but it'd be that as a man,
I want to get off on a tangent there. Watching
the last five minutes of what I thought was an
NBA game was sucking my will to live. I mean
it got ugly. You got to a point where these

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teams are they couldn't have scored the house Seville repute
with the fifth full of fifties. And I'll tell you this,
here's the thing, because I really want to get your take.
I think it was a combination of fatigue. I think
it's a combination of good defense and great defensive times,
shots simply not dropping. And it was a brand of
basketball we haven't seen in thirty years. And it wasn't

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really that physical because it can't be physical anymore. However, Comma,
there's gotta be a reason we're seeing this towards the
end of these games. What are your thoughts? What's the
reason why? Um, Yes, it's a few different things. I think. Um,
this game, it's all basketball is built on momentum and energy. Okay,
So when you have Chris Paul coming back and a

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little rusty, they looked to me, uh, not in that
rhythm being out because of the proto health protocol. And
then you have d Book break his nose. Okay, he
if you look at it that he was playing fine,
and you know, Patrick probably is a little wild. I
love Patrick, but he's a little wild. So I don't

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know if it was a subconscious of Booker saying, you know,
he might pop me in my nose, or this may happen,
or I can't really penetrate or I can't really do
things super aggressive because of and if you look at it, right, uh,
the book didn't wear the mask yesterday, so it was
probably for him. He's thinking that's kind of bad luck
because I didn't shoot well the game prior when I

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had the mask on. Chris comes back kind of took
the momentum away from them a little bit. You knew
the Clippers are gonna win the third game anyway, right, Like, Yeah,
So this game for me, I don't know if it
was fatigue more than it was the flow of the game,
because listen, both teams played hell of a defense, and

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I think for the Clippers is what they always have
a problem with. They don't have a true point. You know,
Ronald's older, He's one of my favorite point guards to
play the game. But they don't have that true point
where Phoenix has a true point. Even though Chris shot
six for twenty two, he still controlled the game a

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little bit. He was still off on me. He'd listened.
He had four turnovers and that's usually not like him,
you know, it's his sister. Turner ratio is incredible. I
just think the game was so messy, but yet they
Phoenix literally willed themselves defensively, and to be a great
team you have to do those type of things. And
I think it just got in the Clippers kind of

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the back of their head to not settle. They only
shot twenty free throws compared to thirty two. It didn't
really get to the free throw line. Paul George, you know,
he was like one for nine or one for ten
from you know, the three point line, so you could
tell you was settling, you know, a little bit too much.
I just to me and he shot eighteen free throws.

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But again, it depends on the flow of the game
when you shoot those right, And I just didn't see
uh you know Reggie, you know, he was eight for
twenty four or something like that. I just didn't see
the rhythm of the game for them because the Sun's
literally they kept they put the pressure on them defensively,

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and when you're like that, it's it's hard to it's
hard to win games. It's hard to win games because
now the psyche comes in, the rhythms off and uh yeah,
the flows, you know, because if the Sun's pushed the ball,
I think the Clippers we'll match it. But because it
was an ugly kind of game, I mean I'm looking
up and it's the fourth quarter and it's seventy five,
seventy five, four minutes to go. I mean that's in

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the third quarter, you know, supposed to seventy five points
and a third and if you're lucky, that's a high
first half. So it's just a weird it was a
weird dynamic for me. Well, I agree there was no rhythm,
and uh, I also agree that Chris Paul was an
absolute picture of poise. He's become the safety net the
Sons have looked to, particularly in the second half of games.
You know, when Chris Paul joined the team, at thirty six.

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There was a perception he was coming to the Hunts
to merely be a mentor, and he's done much more
than that. He frankly put the team on his back
at critical times. Made a ton of clutch free throws
down the stretch last night, and uh oh, by the way,
I believe he's made like thirty five free throws in
a row now, something along those lines. But to your point,
there had to be defense because Phoenix only scored thirty

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six second half points. They didn't have a field goal
in the final three minutes and thirty seconds of the game,
and they still won. Clippers had zero field goals in
the last five minutes of the game, and in the
fourth quarter clutch time, crunch time, both teams combined three
of thirteen field goals. Sons are one of five, Clippers
two for eight. I think there were nerves. I think
there was pressure. I think there was good defense. Of course,

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I think there was a fatigue. But here's what caught
my mind, Katino, as a backcour player and your ability
to observe what's taking place as a quarterback of sorts,
uh and all your years in the league, I saw
periods where both teams were indecisive, holding the ball too long,
over dribbling, uh self induced pressure. The ball started to

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feel heavier as the game went on, and it really, frankly,
was an ugly offensive game. The numbers say that both
teams combined nine to fifty one from behind the three
point line. The Clippers are only five for thirty one.
I trust my eyes, they tell me a lot. What
this leads me to believe is because this has been
a war of attrition and because a lot of star
pars gone out, and I think the engine of the

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guard and the handing over of the torch to a
new breed, I think the pressure is getting to some
of these guys. I don't see that in a bad way.
Pressure happens because you care, but it's resulted, I think
in some of these occasional periods of the game where
teams look very sluggish. Yeah no, that's a good point. Um.
You know this, And Chris Paul is one of those
guys who settled teams down and towards the end of

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the fourth, you know, kind of midway through the fourth,
he wasn't as crisp. You know, he usually makes them.
He's a you know, mem rains killer. He wasn't making
his and he was a little like you said, he
was indecisive on who to pass the ball too, because
his as as great as he is as a passer.
I remember Rick adamys to tell us this, and little
Coachy p. Crows tell us. You know, when you come

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off the pick and roll, you are looking for you first,
you know, so the defense can see how aggressive you
are off the pick and roll. And then once they
start to trap aggressively, Hedge, Now you see where the
other open player is and when he's missing no shot,
when he's coming off he's shorter, right, you're putting btum
on him. You're putting bigger guys on them, making him

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uh you know, uh change his shot. It just it
threw the flow off of of of Phoenix. And then
you know, Devin Booker he wasn't having a great game either.
You know, he was a little frustrated. He was over five.
Both of them are over eight from three. Uh, Chris,
both of them had nine turnovers combined. That's just not
like them as a team. And I you know again,

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is it because Chris just came back? Is it because
the book? You know, his his nose is broken. I
don't know. But on the other side you have Paul George.
You know, we all need someone and Paul's trying his
best to get out of his little slump. Okay, so
he you know, he carried them. He carried as much
as he can. But it's just you know, sometimes burn
at the end of the situation, when you get to

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that free throw line, that voice is still there. Right,
It's just some for some people, you know, another player
saves them, right, So Shaquille O'Neil fouls out in Indiana,
Kobe's like I got us right, helps Shack, you know,
I don't know. It's just you look at certain situations

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and some, like I said before, some players save us
from ourselves in our mind. And I don't think Paul
had that because Reggie was struggling himself, okay, and Paul's
trying his best. He's twelve or eighteen from from the
free throw line. He's trying his best. To William, you know,
he's getting to the free throw line. I just think

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it was a lot. It was for me, it was
too many jumpers, too early. And then now you know
what what Phoenix only scoring thirties something points in the
second half and then the Clippers scoring forty four. I don't.
I just you know, he needs that, he needs that Kauai,
but he needed also he needs a point guard that's
going to settle them down and you know, save them

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from themselves, because we're all like that, we all think
too much. Well, I agree with you, Paul, You or
needs some help. They need another Terrence Man night, they
eat another Luke Knard night, or they need a Reggie Jackson.
And I thought that Patrick Beverley did a good job
on Devin Booker. Clearly he's in his head a little
bit right. And if you're a Clippers guy, if you're

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a Clippers fan or just an observer, you say to yourself,
it feels like the Clippers had Game two in the bag.
In a cutaway. You feel like the series should be
at worst two two and maybe the Clippers up three one.
And the reason I say that, I think you're going
to get Max Effort and Phoenix with the Clippers, and
don't be surprised if they come back in that series

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just three to two. I don't think this Clippers team
is done yet. And I agree with you about Paul George.
Just do what everything you can and it would be
nice to see him get over the humpets they see
the Clippers get to the finals. I am rooting for them,
and I actually am rooting for Steve Baumber. I think
it would be a great thing, be interesting to have
an l A team in the NBA Finals, albeit not

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the Lakers, but to have a major market team. I
think these playoffs have been exciting. They haven't always been
the most artful games, they haven't always been the most
clean games. Nonetheless, they're competitive, they're hard fought, and we've
got new storylines developing, and I look, I believe that
every day in America, a new star is born, and
here's a chance for someone to step up, and we'll
get to the other series before the end of the

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show as well. But I think it's that time someone's
got to also step up and help Paul George. To
your point, he can't do it alone. There's an old
saying nobody does it alone, even alone. Ranger head Tonto,
no for sure. And again I think I think they're
missing that point guard. Um Rondo didn't play for whatever reason,
I don't know, but I think they're missing that point
guard to really settle them team man is not the

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guy to settle them down. He might be a spark
off the bench, you know, but you know, he has
twelve points, but he's not a guy that controls the
game or can change the the you know, the perception
of the game for guys. So Paul doesn't have to
do so much or think so much, you know. So
sometimes you just want your guy to go out there
and just play right, I'll do to say the game,

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you know, like Rondo, he was the thinker when he
was in Celtics, and Ray was just a shoot her
and Paul Pierce was the you know, uh did everything,
and and KG was the anchor of defense. You know.
I mean, I just what the Clippers uh as as
great as they I think they are, and and so versatile.
I just think right now, even Kauai was still there,

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this doesn't matter. Um. I think you know, Paul needs
that point guard to help him now. And all four games,
even though they're down three one, three games were very
very close. They only had one blowout and that's what
the Clippers beating them. So you know, I still feel
confident with the Clippers. Uh, they can they can easily
go into Phoenix and give grabbed them one and change

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this whole series around again. So let's let's see how
that was. Absolutely I expect him to get a W
in Phoenix and take it to a Game six. We'll
go from there. Not for nothing, I think Tyler has
done a fabulous job during these playoffs. And they were
jokingly calling him Bill Belichick the other day. Well, what
does Belichick do best? He utilizes the other side's best weapon,

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and he's done a pretty darn good job of doing that.
It's just the Clippers need to see the ball grew
through the bucket once or twice, and then maybe they'll
get some confidence back and we get Paul George some help,
because you're right, if the Clippers are deep, they still
go nine deep. And if they can next man up
or somebody picked each other up this night and you
do it the next night, the series is not over.

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I'm Bernie Fratto. Stick and stay. You're listening to Fox
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by eleven year NBA veteran Katino Mobili. We're here to
eight pm Pacific tonight. It's welcome and a gentleman. He
was with us a few weeks back. Lead NBA writer
managing editor at Pro Basketball Talk, Say a little, Kurt

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healand Kurt, thanks for making time on a Sunday night.
Oh happy to do it, guys. So what were your
biggest takeaways from last night's Clippers Sons game? And doesn't
reflect upon perhaps the jam depth schedule this year. I'm
just seeing a lot of fatigue. You and I are
on the same page there. I mean, I don't want
to take anything away from the Sun's right, Like like

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Chris Paul was fantastic in this I thought their defense
was better. DeAndre Ayton has been their m v P
through this series. I don't want to diminish what they're doing.
But the Clippers struggles shooting. It just it was a
lot of front rim stuff, right. It just looks like
a thirteen games in twenty five days. And and on

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top of that, you gotta remember this is the playoffs.
Tyler can't go twelve deep, man, like you know, Paul
George and and these guys have got to play. And
you know, Retchie Jackson and all these guys are playing
just heavy minutes and you can you can just I
think you can see it really start to wear on them. Um,
and look the sounds are a little deeper right now,

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Curt saying a little continumably. Yeah, yeah, you you guys
make great points. You know, Um, when you look at it,
you've got guys who are coming off the bench that's
playing started minutes and I don't playing started minutes. They're
putting their ball up, right. They have to defend and
the Phoenix Suns are not They're not an easy team
to defend when you have two amazing guards in the back.

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And I've always said that since college. You know, when
you have um, you know, when you have really smart,
talented guards, you can go really far. So not only
physically but mentally. It's draining for players that are on
the bench, and you know, Tyler is not you know,
he's not really going deep into the bench. I mean
he went he went to six or seven and some

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guys that played more than thirty minutes. So it is
it is a little frustrating. I'm pretty sure for um,
for the Rondos of the world, right, I don't know
what that situation was. What do you think about Rondo
not playing? He's just Look, I love Rondo, but at
this point, like he's gotten torched when he's been out there.

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He's just he's not quite physically. You know, Father times
wins all races, man, and I just feel like he's
he was he hasn't had a couple of great regular
seasons in a row, but then he bounced back last
year in the playoffs for the Lakers and was just phenomenal.
He's had good stretches in these playoffs, but it's really

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tough defensively for him to go against the Suns with
that look, it's probably, if not the best pick and
roll team in the league right up there, right, I mean,
Chris Paul is Chris Paul is a Master's just maybe
the greatest floor general ever. Like we debate the bessest
point guard and all that. But like as a floor

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general is a guy who just controls the game. He's
brilliant and he's finding guys. DeAndre Ayton has developed into
a fantastic role man, and they're shooters everywhere. It's just
really tough to defend them in the night. And I
think you can see it wearing on everybody's wearing on.
Terrence man Um, you do know they could really use
a guy like Kwhi Leonard at this point. Very good.

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We're talking with Kurt Heal and lead NBA writer managing
editor at Pro Basketball dot Com. Kurt on my Saturday show,
I dubbed last year's playoffs jokingly the Hotel California League,
as you can check out any time you want, but
you can never leave. But I'm calling this year's playoffs
the war of attrition. Of the four remaining teams, who
do you think is best equipped to limp across the

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finish line. I'm going to regret saying this because they're
gonna go out embarrass me in about four minutes. I
think the Bucks have the most talent left. They are
capable of the highest highs of any of the team's
left They're just frustrating, aren't they Like they're so frustrating

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to me. Yeah, they just they don't bring it every night.
They don't make the part. I get frustrated with a
little bit Bud decisions, but they also like they just
don't be honest, doesn't have a great game every night
like you want from your superstar. Middleton has struggled some
in this series. Just they're capable of being better than
everybody in this series. They've had some good and look,

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their's defense is still good. But it's just I'm not comfortable,
like I think the Bucks are the best team, and
I'm not at all comfortable picking them because I just,
you know, I don't know who's going to show up
tonight in Atlanta in four minutes, Like what team is
gonna be out there, the team that crushed the Hawks
or a team that's gonna lose by twenty. I'm so
with you. I'm so with you. Do you know anything? No? Yeah,

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I mean, listen, I don't want to be the one
that bashing the Bucks, but you know, just like her said,
I just I'm just trying to figure out, you know,
their coach, his adjustments, right, he's been like this in Atlanta.
You know that's what scares me. Him being in Atlanta.
You tell me, right, him being in Atlanta. Uh, them
being announced, Uh, you know, getting out of here early.

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Uh you know, years prior to this year, squeaking away. Right,
if Kevin Duray hits that shot, you've been talking something
totally different. But it's just for me, I just just
playing the game at a high level. I don't believe them.
I just don't believe. It's just something you just I
just don't believe about him. I don't know what that is.
But if you can help me out, I just don't know.

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I'm I'm there with you, and I think, I mean really,
I like Mike Budenholder as a person, like I don't like.
I don't like bashing players generally. I don't you know.
Are there a few guys annoy everybody? Sure? Yeah, but
I don't like bashing players. These are guys who worked
hard so on their craft. Mike Moser is a very
good coach and when they when he got there, this

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is a team that needed structure and needed a system.
They got instantly better defensively, right like they like they
he brought something they really needed. But his ability to
Like you said, some of the adjustments, some of the
decisions he makes are interesting. We'll just go with interesting.
Like he's just committed to what he believes will work

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and what he thinks will I don't want to say
doesn't trust his eyes. But like, hey, man, I I
again like they brought in Jeff Tie to help. Jeff
Tique is a solid veteran NBA player. Jeff t cannot
play in this series. He is not like I love
Jeff Tie. Jeff t cannot play in this series. Yet
he's rolling him out there. You know, there's just moments

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where what are you thinking? And I'm you know, he
may may still win a champion, grip to them this
and and be employed for for a long time in Milwaukee,
and I hope so in his sake. But it's just
sometimes I look at what months you know, these examples,
what Monty Williams is getting out of Phoenix. Yeah, he

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has a book, he has Chris Paul as a coach
on the floor. But what he is able to get
out of them, the way they buy into what he says,
the way everybody is pulling the rope in the same direction.
I just you don't see that in Milwaukee. You bring
up a great point, Kurt. We've only got about thirty seconds,
but I think both of you guys unlocked the key
to the door to the question that might be the
most important one is, Kurt, of the four remaining coaches,

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which do you trust the most? Oh? Um, I'm gonna
go say Monty Williams off the top of my head.
It's nothing against Tyler, by the way, Tyler, I think
it's done everything you can. There's just there's no arrows
left in the quiver. There's just I don't know where
he got left he can do. Yeah, you know, it's
an excellent observation. He's done everything he can. But you

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you gotta have the horses to get to move the stage.
Coach Curt as always great stuff and I appreciate on
a Sunday night that is Kurt Healing, lead NBA writer,
managing editor at Pro Basketball Talk. Always appreciate his perspective.
You know, there's an old saying a culch will tell
you what you don't want to hear and show you
what you don't want to see so you can become
the person you always pictured you could be. I'm talking

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about Ben Simmons coming up. We're gonna talk about what
needs to happen there, but first let's go to the
renaissance man Steve Disager with the latest, Hello, Gentleman. The
West Final in the NBA continues tomorrow night in Phoenix.
The Sun's lead three games to one against the Clippers.
Kawhi Leonard of l A, with his spraying knee, just
missed a sixth Rade game, and ty Lou, Clippers coach

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said there is no new update on Leonard. He'll remain
in l A for game number five. Sons haven't been
to the finals since when they had Charles Barkley. NBA
East Final. We gotta start up in a few minutes.
Game three Atlanta hosting Milwaukee series ted at one. Game
four of that series is Tuesday. By the way, the
East Finals just started Wednesday, so the NBA Finals will

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begin until July six or later. Over a week away.
Penny Hardaway interviewed for the Orlando head coach opening. According
to The Athletic, he's a former player their current University
of Memphis coach. Spurs assistant Becky Hammon has already talked
to the Magic and they reportedly have six others on
their list, including three of their own assistants. Clippers assistant
Chauncey Billips will likely be Portland's new head coach. That

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should be official this week. He's in his first season
as a Clippers assistant. The Blazers also interviewed Becky Hammond
and Mike D'Antoni this past week, and the Dallas Mavericks
new head coach will be Lakers assistant Jason Kidd. Their
new general manager is Nico Harrison from Nike. Kidd has
been a head coach for Brooklyn and Milwaukee and was
a Lakers assistant in the past two years. Kid, of course,
a former Dallas players. Stanley Cup final starts tomorrow and

(24:45):
tennis Wimbledon begins in the morning. Harris English won the
Travelers on the eighth playoff hole after a final round
sixty five. Brooks Kepka moved up to a tie for
fifth place after shooting sixty five. Nellie Corda took the
women's p g A and now has the number one
world ranking. Kyle Busch one today's NASCAR race at Polkan. O'
kayle Larson finished second in soccer's euro tournament. Belgium eliminated

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Portugal one nothing, Czech Republic upset the Netherlands to nothing,
and at Copa America on Fox today, Ecuador tied Brazil
one one. Brazil had already qualified for Friday's quarterfinals. To
Major League Baseball at Dodger Stadium. It's l a six
one over the Cubs in the bottom of the fourth.
Zach McKinstry of the Dodgers at a grand slam bottom
of the second, Cody Bellinger with a two run homer.

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Clayton Kershaw on the mound for the Dodgers. San Diego
won again five four over Arizona with three runs in
the bottom of the seventh. Arizona had just scored three
on the top of the seventh. Oakland led six nothing
in the nine six to the final at San Francisco,
Seattle at the White Sox, they split a doubleheader. Boston
beat the Yankees again nine to The Red Sox went
six and oh against the Yanks this month, and the

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Angels were six four winners at Tampa Bay Showhyotani with
his twenty five homer. He had three rb i s
in the game. The College World Series best of three
finals starts Monday, Mississippi States against fan Bill, Thank you,
thanks so much, Steve. Ben Simmons is a young man
whose name has been in the news quite a bit lately,
and I like Ben, had a nice talk with him
at the NBA Summer League four years ago. A very

(26:10):
engaging guy. And let's chop this up fairly, okay. Ben
in the regular season has averaged six eight and eight
and he's been one of the NBA's most impactful two
way players. But obviously his struggles from the free throw
line and beyond the three point line will remain the
key talking points until they either get fixed or Philadelphia
gets to the NBA Finals or something like that. I

(26:32):
say this is fixable. In fact, in Ben simmons rookie year,
he shot from the free throw line during the postseason
after spending a year and a half working with a
certain shooting coach got by the name of John Townsend.
By the way, when he was at l s U,
he shot sixty eight percent from the free throw line
as well, even though he hardly attempted that many free

(26:54):
throws there. Katino, you get to wear a lot of
hats on this show. Coach, father, advisor, NBA, a player,
and I know it's against a lot of practice psychology
without a license. But tonight we're gonna practice psychology. I'm
gonna sit down Ben Simmons in front of you. I'm
of the belief it's fixable. I wouldn't ship out of
town just yet. And I don't know who's lining up
to take it one seven million dollar contract, But be

(27:16):
that as it may. You've got him in front of you,
tell him what to do well. I like being a
lot um. I actually reached out to his party to
be able to help him because myself being a left
handed player, um um, I think I can help him.
It's it's a simple tweak. One two is I think
the majority of Ben's problem is mental. Thank you? Um,

(27:36):
I don't think thank you. Yeah, I don't think it's
I seriously don't think it's about a shot more is
it's his thoughts um And And you know because Blake
Griffin was like that for in the beginning, in the
very beginning of his career, where he didn't want to
shoot the ball because he was hurting the team. And
I think when you have Joel Embat and you have
all these other guys that's clogging the paint, it's harder

(27:58):
for Ben to really blossom, really become the Bend Simmons
that everybody knows, you know, more transition, pushing the ball,
surrounding him around a whole bunch of shooters and going
from there. But you know, what we what we're talking
about is something we've all been talking about for the
past four or five years, have been and it's a shot,

(28:18):
and I think it's been takes shots, take more shots,
um doing crucial moments of the game. You gotta live
with it. Right now, you're not taking those shots and
at the end of the game, you're missing free throws,
so you're not really preparing yourself for the moment you know,
you're waiting for there, waiting for the playoffs to prepare yourself,
which is a really bad thing to do, because now
right if you mess up, it's it's it's magnified, opposed

(28:41):
to during the season. Let's even if it's some garbage
games during the season when you're up twenty or whatever
it is, right or what have you. Even if you're
you're you're you're down one or up one in the
regular season, take those shots just so you can feel
the pressure, so you can feel that that feeling and
he's not doing that right now. So I think of
Ben is more so mental than it is than anything else.

(29:04):
Million percent agree with you, great segue as to where
exactly I was gonna go with this, because look, no
one's gonna tell me this kid can't play. He's been
named the three NBA All Star teams, he was Rookie
of the Year. I get it his package does not
include an outside shot. But let's play off what you said,
because it's clear something's going on between the years. And

(29:27):
I know of no high level athlete, including me, who
tried to be one and all I washed out in
the minor leagues. We've talked to sports psychologist. I would
bet a nickel you've talked to a sports psychologist in
your life. That fair Contino. Yeah, that was my major actually,
really psychology and communications. Good. That's why I need Well. Then, Hey,
we're not breaking the law here where, but here's where
I'm going with that. The sports psychologist will well will

(29:51):
will uncover classic symptoms of someone who is feeling that
mental block, who's got that fear, that self induced pressure,
fear is holding metal pictures of what you don't want
to happen. That's why Ben's not taking shots because he's
afraid to take shots. So what are the three classic
symptoms of a player suffering mental block? One inconsistency in performance.

(30:16):
Ben had forty on ridy go bar earlier in the year. Okay,
but then there are games where he disappeared in the
fourth quarter. And I've got the status to prove it too,
playing timid, scared to make mistakes, that's a symptom. Three,
he does well in practice. He makes free throws in practice,
so he practices better than he performs in the games.
Those are the three classic symptoms of someone facing a

(30:40):
mental block. Coming from a sports psychologist, how do you
go about breaking down those barriers? Well, I mean one day,
you got he has to really start first of all,
letting go of his ego um, and understanding that everybody
messes up. Basketball is an imperfect sport. So you're gonna
make mistakes and there's no game that um you know, uh,
guy shoot right, UM as a team, right, somebody's gonna miss,

(31:04):
somebody's gonna turn the ball over, something's going to happen.
That's negative. So I think with him, um and helping Blake. Uh,
I think with him while you're playing in his games,
whoever it is. You know, when you're passing him the
ball and it's for a shot, maybe the first thing
you do is like saying the word shot, right, shoot
or shot so he can be able to understand it

(31:27):
in the rhythm that it's not hurting the team. Is
something that my teammates believe in even if I missed that,
they're telling me to take these shots. Um. I think
because he was so dominant growing up, he didn't really
have to really work on his uh jump shot. And
you really, truthfully, you don't really have to shoot the three.
He's six ten, so I mean even if I perfect

(31:48):
my midrange, which I think he can do, and and
you know, two summers ago when I was playing with him,
Ben shot the ball well from deep and I'm talking
about deep deep, So I think, you know, mentally, I
think it's more of an ego thing because see, if
you do well in practice, and you do well and
you know free play, you know, pick up, that means

(32:11):
that even if you miss, you like, well, it's practice,
I'm working on it. And then when you get in
the game, now you put the pressure on yourself that, oh,
if I miss, I'm gonna get booed. I'm gonna hurt
the team. I'm gonna do this you. He's putting pressure
on himself, which for me is if his teammates comes.
I don't know if they are not. If they come,
say listen, man, shoot the ball like I want you

(32:31):
to shoot the ball. Need you to take a beat
at least four or five of those a game for us.
I don't care if you go over for five, but
you have to start feeling up. You go, there, you go.
You you teach him that not to fear fielure. I've
seen this with talented baseball pitchers who had great stuff
and a live arm, and they were afraid to throw
the ball and trust their stuff because they were afraid

(32:51):
they would be giving up home runs and hits and such.
And I've heard pitching coaches tell kids, see how far
you can hit it. Challenge him, and all of a sudden,
you lock in and you start to trust yourself. Just
like you said, you've seen Ben do it. So it's
not a situation where he's trying to go somewhere he's
never been. He's trying to get back where he's been before.
It all comes down to this, how bad does Ben
Simmons wanted and what is he willing to do? But

(33:12):
we are in agreement. Most of us issues, I think
are between the years. Don't give up on in Philadelphia.
I think you've got a good player there. It's a
matter of finding a way to get him to work
within your system. Coming up earlier this week, Carl Nassa
became a household name. We'll explain why, and we'll tell
you why. Vince Lombardi would be proud. He's Coatino Mobile.

(33:33):
I'm Bernie Fratto. Keep it locked right here. You're listening
to Fox Sports Sunday on Fox Sports Radio. We're back
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Katino Mobile. We'll take you up to eight pm Pacific tonight.
We're just getting started Coatino This week, Carl Nasson defensive

(33:55):
end for the Los Angeles. Wile that I just say
Los Angeles. I just had a defensive event for the
Las Vegas Raiders. Came out as gay on Instagram and
he's the first active player in the NFL to come
out publicly, which is a major milestone, but there's been
broad acceptance and it's been quickly supported by the NFL
community and certainly his team Jersey sales with nuts the

(34:18):
next day. Uh. Nasa is not the first high profile
football player to come out now. That would be actually
Wade Davis back Inel. However, Davis didn't play a regular
season game, and he had he didn't come out until
after retiring, and on the eve of NFL Draft, another player,
Michael sam came out. He was eventually drafted by the St.
Louis Rams had cut before the season began. The bottom

(34:40):
line is, uh, the locker room in the clubhouse has
always been the great melting pot, but the key is
given the reaction to Nassa and again the Jersey sales
the society officially transitioning to an environment of tolerance. Yeah.
I think so. Listen, I uh, I commend him. I

(35:03):
I don't see anything wrong with it, you know. Yeah, man,
it's it's it's it's this. This world is brutal, I mean,
from you know, gender, race, anything. And to come out
and say, listen, I've been fighting I've been fighting his
demon inside for so long. I want to be free.
I still love football, right, I don't. I'm I'm a man,

(35:27):
just like everybody else, right, I have feelings. Um uh,
you know. I love how his teammates backing him, you know,
backing him, and and I love what the you know,
the media's kind of you know, not only just him,
but just just people out there. I'm pretty sure who
are fighting a fight withinside themselves. Right, you just nailed

(35:50):
it because Davis, Walter Davis. He came out and spoke
on a lot of platforms this week talking about the
pain that goes through an athlete's mind when they play
while closeted, and when he steps up hoping to be accepted,
never knowing quite what's gonna happen. Now again, I've always
believed the clubhouse of locker room, he's always been the

(36:13):
great melting pot in a perfect world. It's not always
that way, but you when you step in to that,
you know, hallowed ground as it were, and and you
know you're there on a business trip. You're there to
do a job. This is how you earn your living,
this is how you feed your family. This is serious business.
It's a very tough profession. It's tough to get there,
it's tough to stay there. Somebody's always looking to take

(36:35):
your job. The last thing you need to do is
suffer in silence and wonder. That's why I think this
is such a great event. You and I both know
he's not the only gay player in the NFL. Yeah,
he go ahead, No, yeah, no. You know there's a
guy who wrote a book. His name is Jason Wilson
called Crying Like a Man, and Jason is an amazing

(36:56):
mentor to a lot of different children out in Philadelphia.
He goes around speaking. Um you can see him on Instagram.
I think he's one of the best people. I've followed
him for a while now, and he talks about mental
incarceration and um, I think you know it's Carl guy.
You know, Michael Sam is a lot of people just
in general living a life. Uh, and in having this

(37:17):
mental incarceration of will they accept me? Will this be this?
Will it be that? And and you and it it
kind of it changes your your path and your journey.
What it doesn't really have to be that difficult, right,
And my father is always saying, when you're younger is listening,
you can always say they're gonna see two things, yes
or no. Right, My thing is get it out now,

(37:39):
let everybody settle. It doesn't matter as your life, it's
your body and we'll figure it out from there. But
you know, I've always been a person I'm going to
support whatever you love, love it. You know, life is
really too short. And uh, I hope more people, um,
if they have they have this feeling inside, come out,
you know, and whatever it is, whatever it is, uh,
you know, it does really have to be. And you know,

(38:02):
being gay, it could be you know, black people, white people,
you know, Asian, this that whatever, it doesn't matter. But
I just think we need to really, you know, live
your life, be happy and try your best to search
for that happiness. Oh you know they're doing your journey.
So you know, I'm happy for him. Right, No one's
on an island. People need each other. And throughout history

(38:23):
there have been players. There was a player for the
Detroit Tigers actually from southern California, who played at Loyal
and Marymount College baseball player, triffic player. His name happen
to be Billy Bean, not the Billy Bean who was
Moneyball and was the personal director for the Oakland A's
Another Billy Bean. He spelled his name being without an
e on the end, and a very good player. He

(38:46):
came out afterwards and talked about how rough life was
for him. Players that would knew it would keep it silent,
and others who didn't, and others perhaps for he was
harshly judged. The Dodgers had a player in the late
seventies by the name of Glenn Burke and the African
American Generalman who came out of gay afterwards. He since
long passed, and I think the Dodgers have wondered, why
didn't we perhaps support this earlier, why didn't we recognize

(39:07):
it earlier? They are now posthumously. I teased this before
the break, that Vince Lombardi would be proud. Vince Lombardi
died in nineteen seventy, but on his nineteen seventy Redskins
roster he had two players, Tight and Jerry Smith, who
was a stud all right and a very good player,
and a running back, a backup running back by the
name of Dave Cope. They were both gay. They both

(39:29):
suffered in silence. They lived fractured lives because they couldn't
come out. Lombardi knew this, though he supported him, he
accepted him. He let them know they would be treated equally.
In his eyes, the only thing Lombardi wanted was that
to be valuable contributors and teammates. So if a guy
can help you win and it's not affecting your lifestyle,
we now have to be at a point where this

(39:49):
is no longer news, right right, you know, listen, Uh,
these guys aren't the first guys. There's there's hundreds and
hundreds of thousand of men and women who are living
a lie. Um, you know, and uh, you know when
I was Orlando, Um, you know, um, I was still

(40:12):
talking about I forget what John Emchi, John e Mici
came out kind of not not more so like you
know then, but he came out and he was an
amazing guy. You know, John's super smart. You know, he
always had his tea and it's a very intelligent guy.
And you know, I just always grew up where it's
open minded, right, and um, you support each other and

(40:33):
you know, love each other and just you know, you
figure out the right way. So all right, thanks coming
up name amage. You like this, You're gonna hear a
lot more about it in the Supreme Court ruling. He's
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On Monday, the United States Supreme Court ruled against the
n C a nine to nothing Nino decision, and that
decision now opens the door for student athletes to receive compensation.

(42:18):
Let's clarify, because I cannot believe how people have confused this.
They're not going to be paid. Athletes are not gonna
be paid like employees. As a matter of fact, it
was a landmark case many many years ago. In nineteen
at Fort Lewis College in Colorado, a player by the
name of Ray Dennison was killed in a football game

(42:40):
during a kickoff. And Ray was married with three kids,
and after Dennison died, his widow when she filowed a
claim for death benefits with the Colorado Industrial Commission under
the Workman's Compensation Act. But Fort Lewis, along with the
State Compensation Insurance Fund well, they fought the case to
the Colorado Supreme Court, and the court finally ruled in

(43:01):
that Dennison's widow was not entitled the death benefits. The
reason the justices gave the justices reasoning was football players
are quote student athletes, not college employees. Fast forward to
the future. What this means on July one is now
players will be able to use their name, image and
likeness to earn you know, stipends, earned money based on

(43:27):
their popularity, based on wherever they can apply their trade.
Probably an idea whose time is common. Now let's see
if they can implement it. I know that Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Mississippi,
New Mexico, Texas, they've all already signed name Image likeness
legislation in the law and it's going to take effect
this Thursday. And right now about thirty three college football
programs are in those six states, which means those players

(43:50):
are going to have to are They're going to have
opportunities whatever it may be, go to the car dealership
right in, sign whatever. I'm not sure how this shakes
out exactly, but they'll figure it out. Compliance is the
only concern right now as far as the NC is concerned,
because if you look at the state bills, they don't
really acquire a student athlete to report anything to the

(44:11):
n c A as far as income. All the reporting
is required to their institution. So there's some concerns with that,
and they have to trust that the athletes will self
report their transactions. But be that as it may. Cotino
as an athlete, as you will know, as a Divisional
one athlete, it's a full time job and that and
carrying a classload. So I think this is a good

(44:33):
thing if they can manage it properly. From someone who's
been there, what are your thoughts. Yeah, I think they
should be compensated. I mean, it's let's let's let's break
it down just a little bit, right. Uh oh, they
get a scholarship, they get things for free, al right,
So you get your scholarships for free. But when you
get to the tournament, you know much money your or

(44:54):
your your school gets millions and millions of right, Okay,
So at the end of the day, if you have
twelve to fifteen players, you're spending I don't know, but
one and a half million dollars maybe for an education
for kids. But yet each year you're getting millions and
millions of dollars. Uh. Life ain't fair. It's just what
it is right. So you know, you can have the

(45:15):
argument with kids that pay to go to school. You
can have the argument that, you know, kids that want
to go to certain schools, but you have the nepotism
in the family, that's the uh, the father, the mother
that's well off and buy their their kids way through education.
It's so many different variations. So for me being an athlete,
my thing is listening. If I can go and sign

(45:35):
order graphs, if I can go, uh, you know, do
do something. You know, they earned a couple of dollars
while I'm in college, you know, for some pocket change
or whatever. I don't think it's a problem because they
make a lot of money off of these athletes already.
Well that's that's the key. I think you hit upon
something a second ago. And I had a baseball scholarship
in college, not a full ride, but I and I

(45:57):
thought it was a privilege. But baseball is not only
a non revenue generating sport. I've played at a time
when the revenues were a fraction of what they are now,
particularly football and basketball with all the TV contracts and such.
So to your point, the scales are not the same
as it used to be right. The pot the the
the pot at the end of the rainbow that these
universities are bringing in as a result of these athletic

(46:21):
you know, entertainment endeavors as it were, pactor and its
TV contracts, merchandise and you name it. It's not the
same ball game as it was when I was playing.
So the long and shure of it is, this doesn't
need to be reevaluated. It's only fair and I think
the free market will certainly uh take care of this.
Here's what I mean by that, because the truth of
the matter is, if you're a higher visibility player, you're

(46:43):
gonna be more in demand. I don't know what percentage
of players or will even be able to really take
advantage of this, but I'm guessing it's going to be
less than ten percent. Because they have to know who
you are. They have to be willing to capitalize and
see your name. Managing image and likeness is something that's
a marketable trade, and without out that, if no one
knows who you are, then it becomes maybe something secondary.

(47:04):
Maybe you're able to give hitting lessons or shooting lessons
or something something along those lines. But the example I've
heard used, which I think is appropriate is if you're
a college student, and if if you're on an academic
scholarship and you play the guitar, you're free to go
give guitar lessons on your free time. So why not.
So to your point, the dollars involved to this in

(47:25):
this day and age, in terms of TV revenues and such,
are so astronomical. It only makes sense that they spread
the wealth because what's really bringing in those dollars. It's
the athletes on the floor, for sure. These athletes on
the floor. You know, you have the Zion Williamson's and
the kids that's coming after him. Uh, the jersey sales
that this kid's produced, right, it's what's Uh, it's just um,

(47:49):
Lebron James didn't go to college. But I mean, at
the end of the day, if he would have went
to Ohio State or something like that, how much money
they would have generated. You know, Kobe Bryant, if you
would have went to Duke. It's just you know, Grant
Hill when he was in college. Just all these different guys.
Even when I was at University Rhode Island, Uh, and
us going to the Elite eight, the school got a

(48:10):
lot of money. These these these schools get a lot
of money. And I'm not saying that kids need to
be getting hundreds of thousands of dollars, but I mean, listen,
some type of allowance, some type of something, you know,
like you said before, whatever, I just believe in paying
the players and uh, whatever it is that they you know,

(48:32):
come uh whatever idea that they do have so it
won't get out of control. I'm all for it. Whether
you're working at a car dealership, whether you're working at
a car wash, Uh, you're signing autographs. Uh, you know,
my my last name is my last name. It is
not yours to pimp out. So if you're gonna use
my my likeness and my last name, but I should

(48:53):
be compensated. It's very simple. Well, I think by now
everybody's familiar with the Eddie O'Bannon case, and I think
you know, look, I spent seven teen years just s
outside of ann Arbor. How about the Fab Five. Look
what they did for that school to this day. Right,
there's no question the Fab five are iconic. And they
never even won a Big Ten championship, and they didn't
win a national championship. But the Fab Five, come on,
they were cooler than cool. How about the five Slammy Jamma.

(49:14):
I'm sure you've come across Clyde Drexler once or twice
five Slamm of Jamma. This day just mentioned it. They
were one of the great Houston Cougar teams under Guy Lewis.
Never won, but they were flish slam of Jamma. And
it's not just them those Miami Hurricane teams that were
legend legendary. You talked about Ohio State USC with student Body, right,
there are schools that are branded around the country that

(49:36):
are famous for their logos, famous for their brand, famous
for their image and what created that image. Athletes on
the field, carrying the freight, winning games and play in
uh and and performing in very high profile situations. Yeah. Um,
do you name some really heavy hitters, right, the five
Slamm of Jamma, uh fab five. All these different guys

(49:58):
are out there, and for me growing up, you can
listen to you and l V got to some trouble,
I'm pretty sure, right with m Larry Johnson and Stacy
all been and all those guys, and we looked up
to them. But you know, I think, um, you know,
once you understand the business, I think we all should
really try to understand the business of the n C
Double A and the players, whether female, male or females. UM.

(50:22):
I think let's take a look at that first before
we have these opinions about whether kids should or shouldn't
get paid. Um. And then once we can understand that,
then you understand that there's so much money that's being
you know, pushed through that. UM. You know a lot
of these kids and guys women they deserve it, right
because well, and that's always been I think one of

(50:45):
the things holding up, uh, something of this nature, not
that it couldn't be done. Conceptually, it shouldn't be done.
It's hardly implement this because you've got men's men's sports
and women's sports, you've got revenue generating sports and non
revenue generating sports. What do you do Because it could
be argued, uh that the midfielder for the soccer team

(51:07):
at North Carolina is certainly not every is valuable to
their team and their school. Maybe as the quarterback at
North Carolina, they don't bring in the revenue. But how
can you exclude them without creating some sort of thing
that could perhaps highlight title nine? Right, And this gets
into a legal area that I don't want to cross
over into waters and you know, get ahead of my

(51:27):
skis here, But I do think there has to be
that type of equality across all barriers. So once they've
now figured out a way where individually, name, image and likeness,
you are now free to pedal your wares and market
yourself as a brand. Well, I think that's a good thing.
And I think the notion that college football becomes this
wild west overnight is false. Right. There's, first of all,

(51:49):
there's still only a fixed number of dollars out there
in the market, whether it's consumers they want to pay
you for a personalized video or do a cameo thing,
or maybe contino, you would have given shooting lessons or
coaching lessons, or teach your son somebody's son how to
hit a baseball, or show advertisers how to spend their
money for an athlete to promote their brand, whether it's

(52:09):
a car dealership or a vitamin shop. Now you've got
choices for student athletes, and you've got consumers in the community,
and the market will always decide this. So I think
the notion that it's just gonna go hog wild and
end up somewhere on the ditch. I think it's false. Yeah,
they need to create opportunities. Like you said, right, So
the twelfth man on the bench or the midfielder or
whatever would have you second baseman. If they're not getting

(52:30):
this recognition like the starting point guard for a team
or you know, the quarterback for a team, I'm pretty
sure they can still do something to earn some type
of keep. And um, you know, maybe that's for the
university to think about. I don't know. It's it's very
complicated at the moment to really try to understand. But
you know, I like, I like where it's you know,

(52:51):
all right, I'm the twelfth guy or I'm the I'm
I'm I don't really have that name, but I'm on
a team. Okay, you know what I'm giving lessons out,
you know, I'm forty a lesson. I don't know. I
just I don't. I don't know. But we can be
creative to be able to help these students, uh, be
able to earn some type of keep. The operative word
is creative because I do believe in balance. College kids

(53:13):
are human beings as well. And I would tell you
it was not easy getting up taking classes. I was
not a good student. In my first two years, I
made your neligibility. I started out with fifteen units and
end up with twelve. You're tired, you gotta do your homework,
you're traveling, you're working out, and you feel pressure and
did not have enough money to go out and buy
a Hamburger or something like that. Wasn't particularly easy. It

(53:33):
needs to be fixed and the money is now there
where it hasn't been before. So I think this is
a good thing. I think this coupled with the potential
college football playoff, it's going to go a long way.
It's not gonna professionalize the college ranks. That's not gonna happen.
What it's going to do is write this ship and
make it fair for everybody, because there's no reason to
hold all the money at the top. One again, it's
the players on the field that are bringing in the freight.

(53:56):
Coming up, we're gonna be joined by Jason Hershorn. We're
gonna talk a little in if well. He's an NFL
writer for sp Nation. A lot's happening this week, more
than you think, And actually Friday turns out to be
an interesting deadline for certain people should they elect to
make what would be a irreversible decision. Will discuss it.
He's Cotino Mobile. I'm Bernie Fratto. Keep it locked. You're

(54:17):
listening to Fox Sports Sunday on Fox Sports Radio. We're
back on Fox Sports Sunday, Fox Sports Radio. I'm Bernie Fratto,
joined by eleven year NBA veteran Katino Mobile. Will take
l to eight o'clock tonight before we get to our guest.
Currently three fifty seven ago Atlanta for Milwaukee forty six,

(54:37):
and Milwaukee has cut in to that big lead. All right,
let's go to our guests. Uh. He is in NFL
and college football writer for sp Nation. I want to
thank you for joining us tonight, Jason her Shoran, thanks
for making time on a Sunday night. Good Thanks a lot.
I want to dive right into this. Uh. You and

(54:58):
I have never talked about the Aaron Rodger situation. I
have a very strong belief that he will be understanding
for the Packers in September. But be that as it may. Uh.
The new rage this week as reported by Mike Florio Friday. Obviously,
the NFL players still have the option and the autonomy
to opt out Friday, and if they do, it's irrevocable.

(55:21):
I don't in a million years think Aaron Rodgers will
do that. What are your thoughts, Jason, Yeah, your conclusion
is almost certainly the right one. It's because it would
box in Aaron Rodgers to particular standpoint for the duration
of the season because they cannot once they opt out
come back. It doesn't provide him any leverl just but
the entire situation on hold is at a time where

(55:43):
the Packers have a team that really is ready to
compete for a Super Bowl. Obviously, they've gone to the
NFC Title Game the last two seasons, so you can't
guarantee that Rogers is going to be understenter for Green Bay,
but this particular avenue seems unlikely to me. Yeah, Jameson,
I was trying to I've actually been training at the
same facility as are and he looks great. What do

(56:06):
you think they're missing going thirteen and three two seasons
in a row. What do you think that the Packers
are missing to get to that uh Lombardi Trophy? Yeah?
I don't know if there's anything personnel wise that they're
really missing. The offensive line is really strong and with
some changes this offseason, the receiving horror well, not the

(56:27):
deepest in the league, is definitely good enough to have
a first team all from Davante Adams. They've added some
weapons there. I just don't think that's an issue either.
The defense, though really talented, has not played up to
par the last two seasons, at least not on a weekend,
week out basis. I think that is where the Packers
need to show improvement, and that's a big part of
the reason that Mike Petton, defensive coordinator for the duration

(56:50):
of the Michael or the Matt Lafleur era, is now gone,
replaced by Joe Berry colleague with the RAM. I think
that Joe Berry has a lot of questions to answer himself.
It's last several stops as a defensive coordinator have not
gone super super well. But if he brings in a
scheme that just allows that really talented defensive roster to
unlock its potential, then that could be the difference between

(57:11):
a team that competes for an FT title game and
a team that competes for the Super Bowl and six
the last two years under Matt Lafleur tow NFC championship games.
You're right, there are knocking on the door. Jason weigh
in on this. I just simply don't think Aaron has
the appetite and or frankly, the guile to actually throw

(57:34):
it all away this year and not play. I do
not believe the Packers will trade him before September. They
may not trade them at all. What do you think
finally happens. Do you expect Aaron Rodgers to show up
in camp in August? Or do you think he will
remain obstinate? I really honestly don't know, and I would
be surprised if anyone has a pretty strong opinion on

(57:56):
this as it stands right now. The strongest opinion I
have on Aaron Rodgers situations that the Packers will not
trade him during season, even if he were to sit
out for the entire season, if that was really his
intention he follows through. I just don't think the Packers
are going to trade him again during this upcoming season,
because even if his trade value would be less in

(58:18):
two after a hypothetical year sitting out, they're still gonna
be able to get an overall better trade package at
that point they trade him. Now, the team that gets
him is presumably going to be at least competing for
the playoffs. It's not in the playoffs. That first round
pick you that you presume would come back is going
to lose a lot of value for that reason. Whereas
if you wait till next off stage, regardless of whether

(58:39):
Rogers plays this year or not, then you're gonna be
able to pick. Okay, that is a team with a
top ten, top fifteen first round pick and some other
assets that we like, you have a more finite idea
of what that trade package would be. And you don't
trade Aaron Rodgers during the time when your team is
otherwise ready to compete. So if Roger sits out, he
looks like the bad guy to the public. If he doesn't, well,

(58:59):
then you kind of gets your taking eat to. So
keep your options open to a certain degree, and you
have the rainy m v P under center for a
team that can compete for a Super Bowl. And by
the way, those fines which are uh, you know, a
nonrefundable as it were, for lack of a better term,
will really start to stack up. Yeah, I mean that's
that's a part of it. Yeah, I'm curious about and

(59:20):
the pivot a little bit to the a f C
South Uh. This Tennessee Titans. Uh in Indianapolis Colts. Well,
my guy Carson Wentz left Philly. Uh, and then the
Titans gaining the stud muffin. Uh, Julio, what do what
do you think about that? Yeah, it's a really interesting division,
especially before the Julio Jones straight because the Tennessee Titans

(59:43):
looked like a big regression candidate. But then you add
a player like Julio Jones, who I know he's been
hurt the last season and change that obviously has to
be calculated into what the potential is. But when he's healthy,
he's still one of the most dominant players at his position.
Is an offense, even with the different player or a
different person calling the plays, that's gonna be able to
take advantage of his talent, the talent of a g

(01:00:05):
Brown that know, the really good receiver that they have there.
And even if Derrick Henry is not going to run
for two thousand yards to get because I don't think
anybody is capable of doing that and back to back years,
that's still an offense that can be relatively potent. Defense
fill has to be better there. That was an issue
for them last year. I really don't know how they've
gotten snippiantly better this year, but they're still going to be.
In that conversation Indian, you brought up the trade that

(01:00:26):
they made for Carson Wentz. They are the true wild
card there, because if Carson Wentz is just a solid quarterback,
that's a team that you expect to compete for the
playoffs and maybe make some noise there. If he's better
than that, if he's closer to the form that we
saw in twenty seventeen when he was at least seemingly
on page for the m v P, then that's a
team that could maybe upset everybody in the a f

(01:00:46):
C for the Super Bowl. I don't think it's necessarily
likely because we just haven't seen that version of Carson
Wentz in several years. I was an a c L
terror Go. He's like, well, he's still capable of doing
certain things physically that he did during that season. He
just may not be able to do it consistently enough
to be that player again. But it is a high risk,
high reward move for that team, a team that it's
otherwise ready to compete for a deep playoff run. I'm

(01:01:08):
very interested in them, and I also want to bring
up the Jags here because even though that's a team
that was the worst in the NFL last year, they
bring in probably the biggest difference in quarterback that they
could possibly done, going from you know, the Minshoe experiment
to now Trevor Lawrence. Lawrence does not have to be
fantastic as a rookie. He just has to be solid
for that team to go from the worst in the

(01:01:28):
NFL to maybe on the fringe of the playoffs. I
remember this is a deeper season. They were a young team.
There's an extra playoff spot in both conferences. I don't
think they're going to make the playoffs, but I think
there could be a lot closer to competing for it
than a lot of people believe. If Lawrence is who
we think that he is. That's an interesting interested in division.
It's an interesting observation because they were just two and
a half years ago in the fourth quarter leading to

(01:01:50):
New England Patriots for a chance to go to the
Super Bowl. We're talking. We're talking with Jason herscherin an
NFL and com Football ready for esp Nation. Jason, while
we've got you, I want to all honorable here obviously
with respect to college football, which we've talked about tonight. Uh,
they are advancing the ball down towards a twelve man
playoff check out a twelve team playoff, and and there's

(01:02:13):
still very much in the information gathering. But here's the
question I want to ask you. It's my understanding they
could not implement this before you know of any potential
termination clause in their current contracts TV and otherwise that
might allow them to speed this up, because I know
they would very dearly like to make up for the
money Louster in COVID. It doesn't really matter what's in

(01:02:34):
the contract in this regard. If all of the parties,
and that's obviously the College Football NC double a part
of it, it's the ball partners because they were a
part of the original college football play if they're gonna
be part of any version going forward, at least in
the near future, and with the spit the other broadcast partners,
all of those parties agree and makes more sense to
do it sooner that it can be done sooner. It
does not matter within that contract. If all SI I'd say,

(01:02:56):
we can make more money if we do this now
or do this in a suitors season, then they're going
to be able to do that, I think right now.
A lot of the talk you hear about this, it's
sort of like pre negotiations posturing because the College Football
Playoff wants to be able to get as much money
as possible, which makes sense espn while to say, hey,
you know, if we rip up this deal now, maybe
we can get this at a discount. And that's sort

(01:03:17):
of where you get that postures where one side is
trying to before they're officially negotiating for what that College
Football Playoff with its well teams is going to be
like kind of position themselves. I think they're going to
get this as soon as possible. Seems like the latest
that could happen, given what you know is realistically is
on the table for all the parties because they made
this move because not just if they want more teams

(01:03:38):
in there, because because they want more money. And when
you have that kind of money sitting there on the table,
all the parties tend to grab for it. Interesting, all right, Jason,
that's outstanding stuff. I appreciate you taking time to come
on with us tonight, and I'd love to have you
on a game down the road. Outstanding stuff of course
that it's guys think that is Jason Hershorn. He's a

(01:04:00):
writer for esp Nation. He covers the National Football League
as well as college football, and I really agree with
just about everything he had to say there. One of
the things I don't agree with is the implementation of
in an NBA playoff reeply review, I can't even pronounce
that they got distinct screwed up. And oh, by the way,

(01:04:21):
Hector Santiago of the Seattle Mariners. He might become a
household name after tonight, but not for the reasons you
would like. But first, well, let's go to the man
of the people, Steve de Seger, with an update. Let's
start at the NBA Game three in the East Final
at Atlanta. Tonight, series against Milwaukee tied at a game
and piece. Now Atlanta led early fifteen to two. It's

(01:04:43):
now fifty sixty nine over the Bucks with under two
minutes to go in the first half. Trey Young with
seventeen points, Sianna's attendant Compo of Milwaukee with sixteen. The
West Final continues tomorrow night and Phoenix, with the Sons
leading the Clippers three games to one. The Stanley Cup
Finals starts tomorrow Montreal at MPa Bay and tennis Wimbledon
begins in the morning. Harris English won the Travelers on

(01:05:04):
the eighth playoff hole after a final round sixty five.
This was the second longest sudden death playoff in p
g A history. Kyle Bush took today's NASCAR race at Pocono.
Kyle Larson finished second. The Major League Baseball, the Dodgers
have a seven one lead over the Cubs. In the
top of the eighth inning, starting pitcher Clayton Kershaw with
thirteen strikeouts so far. San Diego beat Arizona five to

(01:05:26):
four with three runs in the bottom of the seventh.
Arizona had just scored three in the top of the
seventh to save de Padre. Closer Mark Melanson his twenty
four that leads the major leagues and a e A
is one eight five. Oakland was a six two winner
at San Francisco. Seattle split a double header at the
White Sox. Boston's now six and oh against the rival
Yankees this month, all six games, nine two was today's final,

(01:05:49):
beating the Yankee starter Garrett Cole, who allowed three homers
in the first three innings. Angels were six four winners
at Tampa Bay, so the Rays falled a second place
in the AL East half game behind Boston. For Toronto's
home game, a five to win against Baltimore, Vladimir Guerrero
Junior hit a two run double. He has sixty six
RBIs that leads the Majors. He's batting three forty two

(01:06:10):
leads the Majors and Homers with six as well, and
Guerrero Jr. Has the most votes for next month's All
Star Games so far. The top three vote gators at
each position were announced today. Leading the National League vote
was Atlanta's Ronald Kuna. Houston has seven players on this
week's finalist bell at the Major League All Star Game
will be at Coors Field in Denver on Fox TV July,

(01:06:31):
updating the NBA just over a minute ago. In the
first half of Atlanta, it's the Hawks fifty six fifty
three over the Milwaukee Bucks. Back to you, thanks so much.
Steve enjoys Spilight comfort and save big on your water
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made simple dot Com continue. We spent a lot of

(01:06:54):
time in the first hour talking about the Suns Clippers
game last night. I want to go back to game
two because is I still can't. I'm still having nightmares
about this. It took thirty three minutes to play the
last ninety seconds of the game Game two Suns Clippers,
which prompted comments from the commissioner. Adam Silver said, We've
got to do something about these reviews. Jeff Van Gundy

(01:07:14):
said it's bad for the game and what happens casual
fans just start to tune out. Now. I get why
they have replay, but there are pros and cons. The
pro is accountability, get it right and uh. Colin Coward
earlier in the week said, Hey, jobs are on the line,
careers are on the line. You've got to get these
things right. The problem is they're not getting it right.

(01:07:36):
And the other problem for me is because of the
difficulty of the judgment call, it's having a huge negative
effect on the pace of the game. Replay just it
kind of gives it a herky jerky quality that I
think starts to diminish the fans enjoyment. And it's got
a real effect I believe on the on court product.
Now you said this earlier in the show. Continue, momentum

(01:07:59):
a key a key word. Well, met him matters in
the NBA, perhaps more than any other other major sports,
because baseball and football are inherently slower. You have brief stoppages.
You go to the huddle, the picture, you know, delivers
a pitch every twenty seconds. There's stoppage of action after
every play and every pitch, but not in the NBA.
And again they're not always getting it right. There's more video,

(01:08:21):
more angles, more time, more scrutiny. You have the human element,
and it often leads to less conclusive observations. I don't
think it's working, and I know the execution isn't working.
By the way, do you agree with me that that
ball went off of Cameron Paine's hand last night and
they don't even review that you got the floor? Contino? Yeah,
you know that. I was speaking to Colin about this. Uh.

(01:08:42):
To me, it doesn't make sense if I if I
if I see one play right, if I'm if I'm
calling the time out and I'm going to review and
I'm looking at a play, the reason why that play
happened is something that happened right before, So why not
call it that way? I never understood that, right. So

(01:09:03):
the guy the ball goes out of bounds on you know,
player A, but player B is the when it calls
it to go out. To me, why why wouldn't we
reverse those calls? And to take so long and doing
something and still get it wrong. To me, I don't
know what you're looking at or who's looking at it,
who's giving you the judgment. That's still confusing to me.
To take, you know, five hours to make one call.

(01:09:26):
I just I don't I don't understand. Oh gosh, it's just.
And the momentum the game basketball is, it's it's a
you know, it's a rhythm sport. And and to sit
and wait and you break your momentum, you know. Listen,
some guys are like, you know, think about it. When
you know you want to ice a player, you do
what you call a time out if you Well, that's

(01:09:47):
so true. Okay, So let's look at this from the
prison of three different viewing points, as it were, the player,
which I'll get to you in a second, the fan
in the stands, and the person at home. I would
just start with the person at home. Look, NBA ratings
have been up, and I don't care if you know
people say, well, they're only up because of what was

(01:10:08):
happening in COVID last year. You're either up or or not.
You either interesting or or not. You either entertaining or not.
I have thoroughly enjoyed this year's NBA playoffs. I've said
in a thousand times. New stars are being bored, new
storylines are being formed, and I would just say that
the game's made sometimes an artful but they're always competitive,
and there's been a lot of games that have really

(01:10:30):
been exciting. And you've got some new cities jumping into
the phrase they're going Bananas and Phoenix. I think it's fantastic.
So this is killing the entertainment value of the game
for the people at home, because the league knows that
the chief selling point of its product is its entertainment value.
And it's not exactly entertaining to go to another commercial

(01:10:52):
break when they're trying to figure out that they're putting
their heads together and make a rock pile trying to
figure this damn thing out. Like you said, if as
like it takes five hours and you're sitting at home
and you go to the commercial break and now you've
seen the same commercial thirty seven times in three hours.
That's not good. The fan of the stands, they're getting restless,
they're trying to figure out what's going on. And if

(01:11:12):
you believe the call should have gone your way versus
the other way, creates a lot of consternation. Now tore
the players. You're in a rhythm momentum sport. You've got
a cool down. Two or three minutes could matter a lot.
You want to go back and pull a hammy. You
want to go back and you know, create an injury
because you started to cool off. Talk about it from
a players standpoint, they can't be like in this either, Cadino, No,

(01:11:35):
not at all. I mean you're breaking rhythm and listen, referee,
they're there, they're in um. You know, they're in the
game as well, mentally, physically, emotionally in the game as well.
So they may not get the call right. But when
you go into the station in New Jersey, wherever is
that these guys, it's a million TVs and from a
thousand different angles, and you they can't get it right.

(01:11:58):
To me, I don't understand why you even use them
just waste the money, right, So uh, I've never was
a fan of replay um. But again it's you know,
I don't know. I don't even know why to make
it up. People probably were drunk when they did. I
have no clue. Well, and I think the issue is

(01:12:19):
is that over the years, probably a call or two
which went the wrong way. And you know, I know
to Seger will remember this world series, Don Dencan Jier
became the poster child. He was the first based umpire
in a play between the Kansas City Roles and St.
Louis Cardinals. Anybody can google it, look it up. And
I think when you get to the highest level, you
want to get it right. But the problem is you

(01:12:39):
want to get the execution right, and the inability for
them to execute this is overriding what I believe is
the efficiency or the efficacy of what it's supposed to do.
And let's get the call right. I still don't know
why they don't even review the Cameron Paint thing. The
Clippers would have had the ball by the change the
outcome of the game, So how is that right? Switching gears.
I don't know if baseball is getting it right either,
not today Hector Santiago a picture of the Seattle Mariners.

(01:13:03):
He had his glove inspected. He was ejected, so he
was the first one. Now he's a trivia question. It's
like you know back in the day, uh, something like
Rosin's legal. He clam He claimed all he used was rosin.
But so now there's gonna be a big fight over this.
It took his glove and he'll be suspended. He could

(01:13:24):
be suspended ten days. He was ejected today, but earlier
in the week Joe Girardi and Max Scherzer got into
it because Max Scherzer took his hat off and rubbed
his head, and Joe Girardi said, I've been watching this
guy pitch for ten years. He's never done that watch
and Serion goes, well, I can't get a grip on
the ball anymore. You can't just have rosin. Rosin drives
your fingers and baseballs are slippery. So he needed to

(01:13:45):
mix a little sweat. I actually believe Serzer. Well, what
happened was you're now seeing managers getting in the head
of players, and now it's is it gamesmanship or enforcement?
So now Baseball's got a little fun on their hands
as well. Because sure, you might want to slow down
the spider Tack Brigade for lack of a better term,
but you do it at the expense of the integrity

(01:14:07):
of other things and managers and Hall of Fame pictures
going at it. So now it becomes gamesmanship. So let
me ask you this. Who was the guy who? Uh
and maybe even you just said his name? Uh? It
was the nationals. Uh what started to take off his pants? Oh? Yeah,
that was one of the That was a picture as well.
He says, I haven't got time for this, and he

(01:14:27):
started to He made a mockery the whole situation. Yeah,
it was a picture. Unbelievable. I just don't understand it. Like,
first of all, rosin, right, it's rosin. It's called rosina.
It's it's a rosin bag. It's a little what yeah,
go ahead, it's over the counter drunk. Well's it's just
something that you buy, like tape or something like that.
I mean, it's it's it's always behind the pictures mound.

(01:14:48):
You will see what the grounds crew gets the field
ready for a game, they'll put a rosin bag for
both pictures to use behind the mound. So it's already
it's there and it's perfectly legal like pine tar. Yeah,
so we used that powder right to keep our hands
from being so slippery, because sometimes the ball depending on
where you're at, like if you're in Boston or if
you're in Utah Denver for whatever reason, in Boston the
ball is really really cold, and when we're in Utah

(01:15:10):
or we're in Denver, it's very it's very slippery, so
you need it. You need the sweat to soak in
so you can stick because it's more control of the ball. Right,
So I don't know, uh, by the way, credit to
lead the lab Thanks so much. Lee. He reminded us
that it was Sergio Romo who was the picture that
pulled his pants down the other day. He's a picture

(01:15:31):
for he's a picture for the Oakland Athletics, and and
Max Shearser, you know, had the same situation in terms
of sort of pushing back and then we're gonna do this,
let's not make a mockery of it. So once again
baseball and NBA in the same boat. They're trying to
get it right. Frankly, they're making things slightly worse because
their implementation of what should be the enforcement of a

(01:15:52):
fairly simple concept is could being completely blown out of
proportion coming up. There's been some coaching changes in the NBA,
but one change that I think we all like to see.
And I mean that well, maybe I don't speak for everybody,
but I know I speak for myself, and Contino is
a certain coach that I think it's time to make

(01:16:12):
history and get this individual on the bench away from
the number to chair. We'll chop it up in just
a second. He's Contino. I'm Bernie. Keep it locked right here.
You're listening to Fox Sports Sunday on Fox Sports Radio.
We're back on Fox Sports Sunday, Fox Sports Radio. I'm
Bernie Fredo. I'm joined by eleven year NBA veteran, the
Private Philadelphia Katino Mobili. Will take up to eight pm. Katino,

(01:16:37):
I'm going to revisit a subject we talked about three
weeks ago, and it has to do with a young lady.
I know you've got a lot of respect for and
so do I. Becky Hammon, Well, Becky Hammon of the
San Antonio Spurs actually made history last January as the
first woman to act as an NBA head coach in
a regular season game. Because Greg Popovich got run and

(01:16:59):
a game against the Lakers last January, and she had
to take over coaching duties after Pop was ejected. Well,
it made history. And by the way, the NBA currently
has ten women that hold assistant coaching positions. I'm a
little biased. On July third, two fifteen, him And became
the first ever female head coach in the NBA Summer
League when the Spurns denounced she would coach their Summer

(01:17:22):
League team. I interviewed her before her first game against
the Summer League Nicks. They proceed to fall behind twelve
to nothing. She calls time out, she gives everybody an assignment.
She had total command. She was an excellent communicator, she
had the temperament and the next thing you know, they're
going to win that game. And they actually won the
Las Vegas Summer League title on July, becoming the first

(01:17:44):
female head coach to win Assember League title. All time
leading scored Colorado State clearly knows the game. It's an
idea whose time has come. It's not gonna be for
the Celtics. It's not gonna be for the Portland it's
not gonna be in Dallas. Time for Pop to step
aside and beginning to wear he's coaching the Olympic team. Continue.
I think he's had enough. He can stay on as

(01:18:05):
an advisory role. It's time to make this move. If
not now, when and if not Santonio who, I think
it's the perfect time for Pop to kind of walk
away from it. Um. And And like you said in
Front Office, I love Becky. I think she's one of
the best players that ever play. She's super savvy. Um.
And when she played the game as a point guard,
she understood the game, and she understands the game now. UM.

(01:18:28):
And I I my coach is Nancy Lieberman in the
Big Three, and we won a championship our first year,
you know. So it's and I grew up with Dawn Staley,
you know. And and Dawn was one of the most
brilliant basketball minds I've ever seen in my life. So, UM,
you know this whole gender, you know, you have to
be a man to coach, you know, man, I you know, listen,

(01:18:52):
I'm not in agreement with those things. UM. Time has changed,
and I think we've we've kind of broaden our perspective
of of who can lead us. UM as long as
they have that knowledge. UM. It doesn't really matter what
gender you are. Uh, just like Gino is coaching you know,
the best female basketball team, college basketball team ever, basically

(01:19:15):
you know so Uh, I'm I'm all I'm all in
for whether it's Becky, you know, whether it's uh Tweets Witherspoon, Um,
you have Nancy Lieberman, you have a lot of different
these women coaches that are amazing X and os uh
people and UM, I think everybody should get that out
of their head. As far as when it comes to

(01:19:36):
men's basketball, men's NBA, that female can coach them. Well,
it's interesting you mentioned Gino Oriama, who of course has
all the hardware in the world of a Yukon and
there have been talks in the past whether he would
cross over and be, you know, be willing to coach
in the men's ranks on the college level or maybe

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the NBA level. I actually think Becky Hammond's far more
qualified than you know, Ariama. This is not exactly a stretch.
She's been on the Spurs bench for at least seven
years that I can remember. She knows the organizations, she
knows the culture, she knows the people, she knows the
front office and the thing people must understand about the
NBA and the head coaching position. It is a completely

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player different process that head coach must connect with the roster.
You must be on the same page with the team's
best player. There are no questions in any of those
areas for Becky Hammond, or she couldn't have lasted this long.
So Pop, he's gotten a little crankier in his advancing age.
He's accomplished everything that he can accomplish. And I don't
think the Spurs are near winning, So let Becky Hammond

(01:20:40):
be a part of that process. I think she could
do with Catino, Yes, she can. Like I said before,
I don't I don't think. I don't know why it's
so confusing for some people to accept. At the end
of the day, she has just as much knowledge as
anybody else that's on that bench. And uh, you know
Pop knew that and when and when he got kicked
out of that game, and you know she took over.

(01:21:01):
You know, he was fully confident of her being able
to lead the team and the team being able to
respond to someone, especially a female, telling them what plays
to run and what defensive assignments to be able to
implement in the game. So you know, like I said before,
it's it's it's it's not rocket science, it's basketball, right,
So I I think Becky Hammond checks every box and

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she knows how to deal with human beings. As I
said back in, I observed her up close and personal,
total command, excellent communicator, very much as the tenement, the temperament.
She was a point guard. She's a guard. That's right,
which is a quarterback and you have the game in
front of you. And like I said, Isaiah, Isaiah Thomas
told me once he thought it was the most important
position in all of sport because one person with the

(01:21:45):
ball in her hand in their hand can dictate the
movements of nine other people. Coming up, we have got
a lot to get to. We're gonna do an NBA
reset or a couple of new coaching changes. Some have
been received well, some not so well, and we're gonna
chop it up and explain what's happening there. He's Contino.
I'm Bernie. Keep it locked right here. You're listening to

(01:22:06):
Fox Sports Sunday on Fox Sports Radio. Two down and
one ago. The Fox Sports Sunday train keeps on rolling.
I'm Bernie Frattle. Comedy Alive from the Las Vegas Fox
Sports Radio Studios, joined by Katino Mobili, eleven year NBA
veteran and the Pride of Philadelphia Coatino. We've still got

(01:22:26):
a ton of stuff to get to. And I would
just say this that the coaching people are calling in
a coaching carousel. I don't know that I would call that.
That would be my you know, Moniker, as far as
what's happening in the NBA. But I want to talk
about Jason Kidd, and I want to talk about, uh,
the situation with Chauncey Billups, who is set to be

(01:22:47):
hired Tuesday. I believe in Portland's and there's been some
news coming out of there, which we're gonna get to
in a second. But first I wanted to find this
because we touched on this on the Becky Hammond situation.
It's a player different process, right. Your head coached must connect,
must be a kindred spirit with the team's best player.
And I was surprised when I saw the pushback, uh

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and some by some folks. When Jason Kidd was hired
in Dallas. He was recommended by Rick Carlile. I know
people point to this as Kid's third job. He's been
under five in his career, and I would say, you know,
there have been some issues. I like Jason Kidd, but
people need to understand something. Uh, He's got experience, all right.
And and in in the NBA game, management as a

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head coach is huge. Substitution patterns are huge, maximizing plays
coming out of timeout, situational points during the game, and
you need to assemble the good staff. I think that
Jason could kid has a chance to have success in Dallas.
They're not that far away from being a serious contender.
And I get the sense him and actually I get

(01:23:52):
the sense that him and Luca are going to get along.
What's your read? Yeah, well, I mean, yeah, you know,
Jason is a great basketball mind. It um when he
was a coach, he he wasn't a failure as a coach,
right Um. Circumstances, situations happened. But Jay's very smart. And
I think, uh, that's the perfect person for Luca and

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growing right, because there's some maturity that Luca has to
you know, a lot of whining, uh, situational Like you said,
situations and Jason was one of the best at it,
top five ever at situations. Uh. And And to me,
He's one of the best, one of my most favorite
point guards every Now. I love, of course, I love
Magic Johnson, but Jason to me just playing against him

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and listened watching him, how he used time outs, how
he used team files, uh to getting guys the ball,
changing the momentum game, speeding it up, slowing it down.
Watching that. If I mean, listen, if I if I
had that type of guy and I'm the you know,
I'm the next one to hold the crown and Luca
dont I would I would love that so much because

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Luca's already super talented at six six nine point guard.
But now you're have in Jason Kidd's mind right there,
and it's just like, listen, Monty Williams is a great coach, right,
reads like the Tony Dungee of of basketball. Right. So
but right, and then you have Chris Paul who's a
coach on the floor. So now you have Jason Kidd

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in Dallas, and I'm saying he's the Tony Dungee. But
you have ja Z Kidd in Dallas. But then you
have a coach on the floor, and what he can
relate to relate to to Luca. Luca can relate to
the team. And I think that's what the hiccup was
for me, just my personal watching the Clippers back in
the day, uh, you know when the Chris Paul in

(01:25:40):
a lobs city and everything. I think Blake and DeAndre
emotions were too high at times where it's it should
have been a little more calm uh to get them
over the hump of things. And I think Jason can
help Luca with that because Luca has that kind of
whiny kind of you know. He said it himself, he
said this, I got one that soccer that you know,

(01:26:04):
that professional football soccer football, but I mean, uh, kind
of like flopping, whining, always crying about something. And he
became better. He said, listen, I need to stop. I
need to play the game and then and then live
with the result of what it is. So I think
Jason will be a super helpful for Luke and the
rest of the team. Well, I'm an agreement. I happen

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to see Jason Kidd in high school when he was
in up in Alameda in northern Azing. He's single handedly
beat Modern Day one on five and that was a
very good Modern Day team. As you will know, he
went to cal Men among boys and cal got to
the NBA had instant success. But he's got a very
bright mind. And I think Jason Kidd is underrated in
his ability to what I believe managed people. I've seen

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him around the Summer League a lot. He's an interesting guy.
He's human, He's not perfect. None of us are. And
at the end of the day, it becomes managing personalities,
which I think Jason Kidd should have instant respect when
he walks into that locker room. You know Billy Martin,
the famous manager of the New York Yankees who won
World Series, and he was fiery, and obviously he's been
gone a long time, but Billy Martin used to joke

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about the secret to manager a Major League baseball team.
He says, you've got twenty five men on the roster,
and ten like you, and ten don't like you. Five
haven't made up their mind. Your job is to keep
the five who have made up their mind away from
the ten who don't like you. He made a joke
out of it, the long and the short of it,
as he understood that you had to manage personalities individually,
and if he could start with Luca and clean that up,

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Luca does have a little bit of a whiny demeanor.
As you said, can't lie about that. He's been playing
professional basketball since he was fourteen. But when you get
a guy like a Jason Kidd, who in their games
were somewhat similar. I saw Jason Kidd play a lot.
I think they're going to connect. And when they connect,
that seeps down to the rest of the locker room.
And now I want to talk. Go ahead, you're gonna

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say something. No unless I agree with everything you're saying.
I think they need to. You know, first you get Luca,
but then you know you have an unhappy uh Porzingis,
So you know, how do we how do we deal
with that? Well, he may not be long for this
world though, Someone's got to take that contract, right, But
Jason Kidd will figure that out. He may be able
to sit down to kristaps Port seeing so I think

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Scott game and again, Dallas is not that far away.
Two years in a row now they've competed, they've been
to the playoffs, and uh Rick Carlisle might not have
it might have been. I think Rick Carlisle will do
fine in Indiana's going back to where it all started,
as it were, But the bottom line is again repeating myself,
it's a player different process. Your head coach must be
able to connect, must be kindred spirits with your team's

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best player. And I think that not only did Dallas
check that did uh? Jason Kidd have the support of
Mark Cuban and have the support of Rick Carlisle, also
has the support of Dirk no Whiskey, who's still very
much in the building there, right, and so I think
it's a good higher Now flipping to Portland's one of
the things I heard coming out of there again, it's

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it's a relationship situation. I don't know if any situation
or Chauncey does not have a good relationship with Damian
Lillard and he hasn't been hired yet, but I understand
it's a formality and it's supposed to happen Tuesday. Not
that I can't change, but I understand. Also there's been
some pushback from certain factions. Do you bring in a
first year coach for a team that's on the CUSP,

(01:29:17):
who's ready to maybe win. Now, Chauncey will have to
learn on the job, and he's going to have to
acclimate himself. You know, it's not so easy asked Steve Nash,
who came under fire this last year. Maybe unfairly, but
it's not easy being a first year coach in the NBA. Now.
I think the world on Chauncey Billips. I was there
in two thousand four when he galvanized a great Piston

(01:29:39):
team and beat the Lakers in a gentleman's sweep. That
was an incredible team. Chauncey was a quarterback on the floor.
He was a great influencer, had great influence over Rip
Hamilton's and uh and Ben Wallace and Tayshaun Prince and
that entire cast. Lindsay Hunter, you name it. I think
that translates. But still on the bench, he's going to
have to learn attributes like game management and substitution patterns

(01:30:02):
and maximizing plays. You know, you know, maximizing time outs.
I'm sure you've been a player. Check that. As a player,
I gotta believe there were times in your life continue
where you're coming out of a time out and you
may be saying, why don't we just call that? Is
that fair? No, it is fair. I think it's not
about to be in a first year coach. I think
what it is is your star player buying into that

(01:30:23):
coach one two is I think for Portland's, as much
as they may seem talented, they just to me, I
was just speaking about this during a break. I don't
think you can win with and I love both of them,
I don't think you can win with a small backcourt
like that. UM. I think you need a defensive guard
UM with Damian Lillard Um and McCullum can be somewhere

(01:30:46):
else where. You know he's he's more needed UM, and
they can hide him defensively, UM, because you can't have
two guards in the backcourt that aren't known for their defense.
And you know, the deeper you get in playoffs, the
more exposed you become defensively. Oh my goodness, Yes, thank you,
Chuck Daily disciple baby starting with a stop. And when

(01:31:07):
you see defense, Steve, you just saw in any four
any game last night. So, but I want to switch
gears because there's been a development and this could be
a developing situation. Credit lead to lab for reminding me
I had to send my notes. All of a sudden.
It seems to have taken on a life of its own. Uh, Katino,
is there an issue potentially that the initial support Damian

(01:31:31):
Lillard had of the Trailblazers potentially hiring Chauncey Billips may
not be true. And is it true that Lillard never
suggested Billips as a potential hier And of course, now
what comes up and this is twenty four years old.
There was an alleged, uh sexual assault allegation against Johncy,

(01:31:51):
but that was a thin back. All of a sudden,
the media has gone wild with this and they're talking
about the Nicks trying to make a play now for
Damian Lillard if he were to leave Porton's I think
that would be horrible. But what do you know if anything,
And it's just it's all fresh. But I guarantee you
this is going to be a big talking point tomorrow

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on Tuesday, as you get closer to the Chauncey bill up, sire,
And how might that affect Damian Lillard's decision to remain
loyal to the Portland Trailblazers. And first of all, I
got to hear it from Dame and I gonna from
being a player. You know, the media kind of twist
things around a little bit. Um. I don't think, uh,

(01:32:31):
whatever happened with Chauncey and back in the day. I
no one speaks about that at all. Of course people
are gonna just bring up like silly stuff. But you know, listen,
Chauncey is a winner. He's in amazing goodness, yes, right,
so I think he can help Dame. Like listen, if
if whoever the coaches get with your superstar, you guys
work it out, um, you know, and and from there

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we can go. You know. But all the speculations that
people are saying and what have you, and they may
not stay in this stuff. You can't control that part,
you know. Uh So right now, what you have is
Dame's in Portland's Uh they're going to sign Chauncey um,
and you know, we just go from there. Right So,
but I think, um, I think the biggest issue is

(01:33:16):
there there. They're their their personnel. Right. I don't think
that Dame and McCullum can be in the backcourt and
they win the championship. I just don't think that. Uh.
That's when you have a six seven Clay Thompson, you know,
in a six three Steph Curry, right so, and then
you have a Draymond Green and you had an Ego
Dollar and you had a Sean Livingston and you had
bigger guys helping Steph Curry be the great that he is.

(01:33:41):
So uh, I think Dame needs to And maybe it's
maybe I heard about the Marcus Smart maybe from Boston
to you know, Portland's and now you have a back
court mate that's the more on the defensive mind side.
So I can you know, as Damian litterally lead the
team and do X, Y and Z, because this is

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some games burn where you know Dame will have not
a great shooting and and and c J will try
to carry the team and then it's vice versa. It's
never like two guys dominating every single night. I just
I never see that with them. Well, what's being reported
and this is not my reportage, and it's fresh and
it's new and people are running with it, and this

(01:34:22):
is nothing I've confirmed or nothing I would take credit
for knowing anything about because I haven't looked into it.
But the scuttle butt has to do with Damian Lillard
being nonplussed with the coaching process and potentially Uh, I
just had a blank. Uh the point guard we were

(01:34:43):
talking about for the Pistons that it's gonna be hired Tuesday.
I'm sorry, I'm sorry, honest, I haven't been drinking or anything.
I think I've tried to choo, chew gum and walk
at the same time here. But what I'm what, I'm
what I'm getting at, And to your point, until you
actually hear that out of Chauncey or Damian's mile, I
don't know that you can actually really give a lot

(01:35:03):
of credence to it. But there are some respected reporters
that are on NBA circles that have put that out there,
and it's not hard to find right now if you're
looking for it. Again. Not something I would have reported,
not something I know about, not something I've been able
to confirm. And I think continue you had the best solution.
You need to get these guys maybe talking to each other,
or at least talking to the media or talking to

(01:35:24):
someone who's a qualified communicator that can share whether or
not these allegations are true. Yeah, And you know we
were talking. I was with Eton Thomas. We were all
talking yesterday when the Clippers were playing, uh, the Suns,
and we were just talking about the media and given
giving us a voice and a benefit of the doubt. First,
let us let us speak about it first, right, let

(01:35:44):
let Dame speak and say what he like or dislike,
and let Chauncey say what he like or dislike or
what his relationship is. What damon, what is going to be? Um?
But Chauncey is well liked all around the league. He's
very well respected. But he's always been a stand up guy.
So you know, sometimes you know, you know, if you

(01:36:05):
get to know Chauncey, what you do. Uh. And certainly
I was around him a lot in Detroit. He reminds
me a lot, honestly, a Joe Dumars in temperament, and
you know what I'm And Joe, of course was the
GM who hired Chauncey or brought him over to the Pistons.
And what people don't realize, Chauncey really earned his keep
in the league. By the time he got to Detroit,

(01:36:25):
that was his seventh team, so other teams have given
up on him. The guy checks every box when he
steps on the basketball floor. And I will tell you
that if he ends up in Portland and he can
hug it out with Damian, I don't even know if
there's an issue there. I'm just telling you what's floating.
We'll hear more about it this week. I think that
would be a good higher And I think Katino, your
observations are excellent. To get a little bigger in the

(01:36:46):
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limitations apply. Coming up. Continue, you were just in Las Vegas. Well,
we've got hockey here, We've got the NFL here. Might
we have baseball next? I know we'll be competing against Nashville,
Porton and Montreal, but I've got a development I will
share when we come back. Stick and stay. He's Contino Mobili.

(01:37:28):
I'm Bernie Fratto. You're listening to Fox Sports Sunday on
Fox Sports Radio. Atlanta leads Milwaukee eighty three as they
head to the fourth quarter. But we've got an update
courtesy of leader lap Trey Young stepped on the referees
leg entered or his foot inadvertently, and he was last
seen walking back to the locker room with about thirty

(01:37:50):
seconds to go in the quarters. So we'll see what
comes of that and if he returns to the floor
and if he doesn't, well, Atlanta Hawks, come on, Bogdanovich,
come on Herder, come on, John Drew, come on somebody.
He's Contino Mobile on. Bernie Frattow're back on Fox Sports Sunday,
Fox Sports Radio and Katino Um. The Olans visited Las

(01:38:14):
Vegas twice in the last month. As you know, they
are looking to either get a stadium built or they're
looking to leave, and they've talked about cities like Nashville,
They've talked about Portlands, they've talked about Montreal. Right now,
all they've done is come to Las Vegas now. Uh.
We also talked a couple of weeks ago about the
NBA potentially coming here. That's a different situation. That would

(01:38:37):
be expansion. There would be a two point five billion
dollar expansion fee and if the commissioner can add two
more of those are the coffers they get healthy after COVID.
But the Alkanaze now will be making their third visits
since been June. Uh. They're coming back to town July eight.
Their brass they by the way, they just left Arlington,
Texas last week because they wanted to look at the

(01:38:57):
retractable roof in the stadium that the Texas Rangers play in,
which you would absolutely have to have here in Las
Vegas because of the heat in the summer. It's a
hundred and nine today, one a billion. They want to
The A's would like a billion dollar, forty thousand seats
retractable stadium here and they're going to need private and

(01:39:19):
public money to do it. Now there I do not
believe is an appetite for public money to be used
for the stadium. I know there was a hell of
a political football when they built the space shift for
the Raiders, and believe it or not, there were a
lot of factions of people who weren't happy to wanted
that money to go to the schools. Would be that
as it may, it's a conversation for a different day.
The vote in Oakland is July. They're going to be

(01:39:42):
voting as to whether or not the A's have a
shot to get their stadium, and whether they do, they don't.
What they're stuck there for at least three or four
more years, I think to through is what their stadium leases.
Here's where I'm going with this. I'm not buying it.
I believe this is a leverage play. Why would the
Oakland A's visit here three times before there's even a vote,

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and as I mentioned, they still got an obligation for
four more years. It would be a shame actually, if
after losing the Oakland Raiders to Vegas, the Oakland City,
the Oakland City of Oakland lost the A's not just
in Vegas, but anywhere. I would just say this, Katino,
if you're a player, if you are part of that organization,
and I know you have a lot of context on

(01:40:23):
the Bay Area, you think there's your glimmeral hope that
they get it done up there and find a way
to finance that stadium. An, the A's what they've wanted
for decades. I don't, you know, I don't think so.
I um and reading a lot of the comments and
just looking at you know, listen to Golden State. The
Warriors are leaving Oakland, right, Um. You have, like you said,

(01:40:44):
the Raiders gone. Um, And there's in reading a lot
of it, it's a twelve billion waterfront development. Right then
there's a one billion dollar stadium and then you still
right after even if they say yes, which is in
late July, you still have an environment, no study to
be done. So it's like it's so many different hurdles
that you gotta jump, uh, just to get all this approved.

(01:41:06):
So I don't I don't you know, Um, it doesn't
feel I I'm inclined to think you're right because it
doesn't feel like they have the civic support up there
with the mayor, Libby chaff whoever they You've got to
have civic support for these types of things, and for
whatever reason, they never had it for the Raiders when
they wanted a stadium, and we're going back, you know,

(01:41:28):
thirty forty years, and you don't have it for the
A's The thing for me, though, is I am not
so sure. As cool as it would sound, as cool
as it might be for Vegas to have a major
League Baseball team, I don't have a good feeling it's
gonna happen here either. And by the way, Nashville would
be a great major League venue, I can tell, so
what Portlands and I think Montreal, which is a great

(01:41:49):
baseball town, might deserve another shot before Vegas and I
live here, all right, So that might be heresy, but
I gotta tell you, I'm not sure who's gonna pay
for a billion dollars stadium here. And looking down on
the road four years now, they they're looking at Land,
and there's three or four places they've looked at out
in Summer landing here in Henderson, and I would say
there's plenty of options, but there's also a lot of

(01:42:10):
moving parts. As you point out the study, the feasibility
study that would have to be done in Oakland, and
I've seen the renderings of that twelve bond dollar waterfront project.
It really looks sensational. And I think you mentioned losing,
uh the the goal of State Warriors to the other
side of the Bay. That hasn't been received well either.
So this is going to be a tough, I think debate,

(01:42:31):
and it's going to be a tough situation anyway you
slice it. You know, when it comes to fruition one
way or another in the next three or four years. Yeah,
you know, listen, I don't know what's going on up
there in Oakland, were they're losing all our teams and um,
you know, if if it's not like Oakland's pouring in money, Okay,
So to lose a major league team such as the
the Raiders, and then down you know, there's there's talks

(01:42:53):
about the A's. I don't understand where why there isn't
a fight? Uh you do? The Warriors are on? Uh
you know, then you have the Raiders and the A's.
I I don't know politically what's going on up there. Again,
I'm not I haven't spun time up there. Yeah, I
don't know. I don't know if anybody knows what's politically

(01:43:14):
going on up there, including the people up there. By
the way, Trey Young has returned to the floor. He's
not returned to the game. He came walking back on.
He took a seat on the bench. Atlanta leads with
about ninety seven to go. This is gonna be an
interesting game down the stretch, and I still think it's
gonna come down to defense and mental toughness. Where would
you Where did you put the A's though? Like I was,

(01:43:35):
I was just in Vegas and they were telling me,
you know, V bought some land and it's it's right
by the it's actually the strip basically, and if they
spent about fifty million dollars, and it turned out that
they couldn't build there because it had been a cluster
you know what, traffic and every single thing, and then
you had to pay another eight hundred or something million

(01:43:56):
dollars just to build the stadium for them. So they
turned in some of like a parking a space, so
the the the Raiders arena, you know, you're parking in hotels,
and then the tailgate. It's just like a weird to me,
it's a weird thing. Where I'm from Philadelphia, it's like
it's it's it's it's uh. For all the four teams

(01:44:17):
are right next to each other, and then you have
like you know, Philly Live and it's it's parking and
it's great. All that space in Vegas. Why wouldn't they
have something like that, not on the strip, but something
a little off the strip. I just I don't I
don't understand that. Well, you bring up a good point.
Here's the situation. The attraction to the strip is to
be able to construct it in a way where when

(01:44:38):
they're doing TV shots you can see the strip in
the background. Every time they show a Golden Night's game
and they show t Mobile Arena, you're right next to
the strip, and they've got it all lit up, and
it's really spectacular when you look at the new Raiders Stadium,
and by the way, this is the first year they're
gonna have fans. To your point, it's not gonna be
easy getting getting out of there. But as the stadium
faces slightly northeast, it's got that window where you can

(01:44:59):
actually eat a strip and for night games it's gonna
be spectacular. So that plays into an architects renderings. However,
I think if this were to happen, there are only
two choices. In Summerland, which is in northwest Las Vegas,
which is about fifteen twenty minutes northwest of the strip,
beautiful new area where Red Rock is and we're actually
the current ballpark in Las Vegas for the Triple A

(01:45:19):
team resides. That would be one area that would be
very desirable. The other one is on Las Vegas Boulevards
south as you head south of the Strip, south of Tropicana,
south of Russell Road and head towards the end resort.
There's a lot of land there and there's far more,
you know, opportunities for parking. But I don't know any
of the stipulations. The bottom line is I think we
are a long ways away from that. But once again

(01:45:42):
the Oakland A's are you going to send their brass
here for the third time in a month. I think
it's a leverage play. We'll find out when the vote
happens on July twentieth. Straight ahead, did you eat your Wheaties? Today?
We're gonna talk a little bit about the Wheaties cover,
who's on the cover, and why it's gonna have some
special signal eificants as we head into the Olympics in

(01:46:02):
Tokyo next month. But first let's go to the renaissance
man Steve Singer with the latest. The Atlanta Hawks lead
over Milwaukee about nine and a half minutes to go
in tonight's Game three of the NBA's East Final. For
the moment, the series is tied at a game of piece.
Atlanta led fifteen to two early tonight. The game was
tied by halftime. Trey Young with thirty two points in

(01:46:25):
thirty one minutes of work for the Hawks. He did
walk off after a sprained ankle late third quarter. He
walked to the locker room, he did not limp. He
walked back to the bench early in the fourth. We'll
see if he comes back in He is available to
return for Atlanta Hawks, up by five in the fourth
quarter of play remaining. The West Final continues tomorrow night

(01:46:47):
in Phoenix. The Sun's lead three games to one against
the Clippers. Kawhi Leonard, with his sprain knee, will miss
a seventh straight game In this one. Harris English was
the Travelers Golf winner on the eighth playoff hole after
a final round six D five. This was the second
longest sudden death playoff in p g A history. Kyle
Bush took Today's NASCAR race at Pocono. Kyle Larson finished second.

(01:47:08):
The Dodgers, Clayton Kershaw was dominant in l A tonight,
beating the Cubs seven to one with thirteen strikeouts in
eight innings of work. Oakland was a six two winner
at San Francisco. The Dodgers will host the first place
Giants on Monday and Tuesday nights. San Francisco's even there
with San Diego as well as l A. It's a
bunched up nl West innings and the Padres one again

(01:47:29):
three runs bottom of the seventh, right after Arizona had
scored three in the top of the seventh pods five four.
The final Seattle split a double header at the White Sox.
The Angels won six four at Tampa Bay Shohotani with
his homer. Boston is now six and oh against the
Yankees all this month. Beat the Yanks nine to today,
and Milwaukee won its fifth straight five nothing over Colorado.

(01:47:49):
The Brewers are first in the NL Central, now three
games over the Cubs. Simone Biles won her twenty four
straights all around title over the last eight years. The
Olympic Trials were in St. Louis this weekend just ended
tonight now soon. He Lea did outscore her tonight. That's
actually the first time Bials has been outscored in one
day of an all around competition since two thousand three,

(01:48:11):
according to NBC. Meanwhile, in Eugene, Oregon, the USA Track
and Field Trials are coming to a halt this afternoon,
temperatures reached a hundred eight degrees. The program is due
to resume in about an hour, but fans were filing
into the stadium for this final day of Olympic qualifying.
There went around three o'clock Pacific time. The track announcer
said action was being suspended due to the heat and

(01:48:35):
all spectators at the time were asked to evacuate back
to you, Hey, Steve, real quickly. Were you able to
glean any indicator as to the nature of Trey Young melody,
he's back on the bench and he's got a sweatsign.
Have you heard anything? He has just come in after
the time out. It was an ankle that as he
stepped to go back up court, he stepped on the
referee and did turn it. It wasn't like we've seen

(01:48:58):
some awful in this postseason the ankle terms. It wasn't
quite bad. And and again I mentioned he didn't limp
to the locker room. So he is back on the
court now up by five, and so probably was precautionary.
Thanks so much, Steve. All right, did you eat your
wheaties today? Well? What do you did? Or you did
in the wheaties cover box has been something that has
been is American is apple pie since n What's interesting

(01:49:22):
is it will take a different twist uh in the
next few weeks. In the nineteen sixty eight Olympics, there
were three track athletes, John Carlos, Wayne Collette and Tommy
Smith who were on the podium, and Tommy Smith was
he was actually a gold medalist in set a world record,
and if you look at the old visuals of the
sixty eight Olympics in Mexico City, Tommy Smith was a

(01:49:45):
gentleman that held his fist high on the medal podium.
And when he returned to the United States. Uh, he
received scrutiny to for some to this day has not
gone away. But he always wanted to be on a
Wheaties box. He said he considered it an honor. Well,
Whetie is going to accommodate him, and I think it's great.
So Wheaties will honor Tommy Smith, track athlete who won

(01:50:08):
a gold metal subtle world record. He's a gentleman on
the podium who held his fist in the air where
the metal ceremony was going on. He will now be
on the cover of Wheaties. I think it'll happen. I'm
not sure, but I think it will happen prior to
the Tokyo Olympics continue which starts July. I wish I
was in the Wheati's box. Uh. No, you know, when

(01:50:30):
I was younger, I used to eat wheaties so much
when I was younger. Uh, it's just certain. Well, we
only had a certain amount of choices also and now
you have a million choices. But I mean, I think
that's amazing for him. Um. I don't really have much
to say about that, but you know, I just I
truly think that's amazing. Um. Better late than never, I guess,
huh a thousand percent. And I think the chimes good.
And look, Wheaties has been an institution, uh for what

(01:50:55):
sixty eighty six year or something like that. And if
you consider the Wheatiest trivia and the Wheaties history, the
first ever athlete on the Wheaties box was nineteen thirty four.
It was lou Garret of the New York Yankees. Yes,
and the first the first female ever on a Wheaties

(01:51:16):
box nineteen was a lady by the name of Babe Ditcherson.
Sir Harrius, as you know, was a great athlete, all
around athlete, Olympian, golfer, all those types of things. She
wants to struck out Babe Ruth in an exhibition game
in a softball game. And the first black athlete ninety
six was Jesse Owens on the Olympic check that on
the Wheaties cover and it goes on. There was actually

(01:51:38):
the Minnesota Twins seven under Tom Kelly. They won the
World Series that year in a very exciting World Series
over the St. Louis Cardinals, who went seven games. The
Minnesota Twins were the first time with an entire team
was featured on a Wheaties box and maybe, oh my goodness,

(01:51:59):
they are amazing collector's items. And if you go back
the last ninety years, there's been over a hundred people
on a Wheaties box, and of course the leader of
the pack, Michael Jordan's He's been on the Wheaties box
eighteen different times, more than any other athlete. And I understand,
I can't confirm. I'm not a hundred percent I want
to get myself in trouble, but I understand that Wheaties

(01:52:20):
actually has a promote promotion of swords that you can
get a Wheaties box with your picton and likeness on
it if you pay him right, it'll be It's one
of those deals like when you go to Disneyland and
get your picture taken into Mickey Mouse. A little bit
more prestigious than that, but uh, you never know. And
so I think this is pretty cool and the timing
is good, and it leads to you know obviously other conversation.

(01:52:40):
You know, so I'm sitting here googling it. Right, So
Michael Jordan was eighteen and then Tiger Woods was second
to fourteen times, right, right, But then you look at
Caitlyn Jenner like if you got to look back, Caitlyn Jenner,
like it would be Bruce, right. He wanted to heat
wanted the cathlon be confusing for some people now when
you go like, oh wait, no, Caitlyn, I remember those

(01:53:03):
Olympics very well, Bruce. Bruce Jenner was of course the
Olympic gold medalists, and then decathlon. When you know, high jump, hurdles, sprints,
distance running, doesn't imagine you're you're you're you're just your
psyche like so good at everything. That's just to me
is amazing, Like you know what I mean, Like I
don't know, Well, it's ten it's ten grueling events over

(01:53:24):
a two day period, and it tests the medal of
even the greatest athletes endurance, speed, quickness, stamina, strength, everything
right on down the line. And so there's no question
that the uh, the decathlon is probably one of the
more prestigious of any of the gold medals. And by

(01:53:44):
the way, Steve is right. Trey Young is back on
the floor. Oh my goodness, he just threw up a ball.
It's just about broke backboard. I hope he's okay. I
hope that's not a foot he pushes off. Probably Milwaukee,
as we're talking, is now taking a one on one
eight lead with five minutes ago. So I'll tell you
anybody that doesn't think these NBA playoffs are not exciting,

(01:54:06):
I don't think you're watching the same playoffs and I'm watching.
I think they're very exciting. No, I do. I love it. Um.
I love the change of the guards right at the
chance of everything. You know, the Tray Youngs of the world,
the Lucas of the world, you know, Devin Bookers of
the world. I think the NBA is in great hands. Uh.
And you have you know, listen, Janice Is is doing

(01:54:26):
his thing right. Um. I'm happy. I can't wait to
see Golden State next year. I can't wait to see
you know, Brooklyn next year. But I love the young
core group of superstars that's coming up because they're they're
they're really good. They're really well. They're not only really good,
uh in terms of visually and their star quality, but

(01:54:47):
you look at the numbers you've put up in the
playoffs heading into this series. Trey Young, he's averaging twenty
nine points a game, and not only that, he's got
ten assists a game. He's will this team to win
two series. This is a team that was under five
hundred at the All Star break. When I look at
Trey Young, in addition to being sensational and can do
everything you ask him to do, he's got a competitive

(01:55:07):
stamina and a will to win, an unlimited energy of
the likes I haven't seen since Iverson. I will make
a case Trey Young is better than Iverson. I know
people are gonna say, watch your tongue. Now. I don't know, man,
I don't know. Trey Young can get it done. You
talked about Janice. Janice is also putting up numbers in
these playoffs, averaging thirty two per game, his field goal

(01:55:28):
percentage fifty percent. I don't know why he tries shooting threes,
but he seems to be getting away from that, also
getting twelve boards a game. And look, even though Chris
Paul is not a spring chicken, he's never won, he's
having a fabulous He's a bit of a new guard
if he gets to the finals. He's averaging twenty six
points a game, dishing out tennis. This is a game.
He's been the picture of poise. He's a safety net

(01:55:49):
for the Suns. And at thirty six, if people thought
that Chris Paul was merely coming over to be a
mentor and a leader, well he's much more than that.
And I think you know he certainly help with out
Devin Booker. So as these playoffs continue, these young stars
and established stars we've never won are gonna be fun
to watch. We're gonna be crowning a new champion this year,

(01:56:09):
the Bucks having once in seventy one. The last time
the Hawks won there in St. Louis, that was ninet.
This is going to be fun to watch. Speaking of
something that some people might find fun to watch, well,
Tom Brady, he's gonna partner with Phil Nicholson and they'll
face Aaron Rodgers and Bryson Deshambo in a golf bench
on July six. We're gonna talk about that coming up.

(01:56:32):
Will you watch it or you can let us know.
He's Katino Mobile on Bernie Fratto, Keep it lock stick
and stay there listening to Fox Sports Sunday on Fox
Sports Radio. We're back on Fox Sports Sunday, Fox Sports Radio.
I'm Bernie Fratto. I'm joined by Cotino Mobile, eleven year
NBA veteran, And before I go any further tonight, I

(01:56:53):
want to thank my broadcast team back in Los Angeles
for the outstanding job you do each and every week.
That would be Aaron Bobo Johnson on the ones and
twos lead the lap and of course, uh Steve de
Sager on the updates. What a great job these guys do.
Could not do this show without you. Thanks so much

(01:57:14):
for all of your efforts and keeping us glued together.
All right, speaking of guys that are game managers, guy
named Tom Brady, well, he's back at it. They had
that golf outing in the middle of COVID last year
that ended up being a lot of fun. This year,
they're gonna up the any a little bit. Uh. He'll
be partnered with Phil Nicholson and they're gonna face Packers
quarterback Aaron Rodgers and Bryson Shambo. It'll be a golf

(01:57:35):
match on July six, and they've all taken to social
media to make fun of each other. I would just
say this the first time they had this. It was
in the middle of COVID. We had nothing else going
on and I watched it. Yes, it was interesting. I'm
not so sure it'll have the same level of interest
this year because they've got competition. Be that as it may.
I know we'll at least sample it and I'll stay

(01:57:57):
with it based on how it's going. Do you have
any interest in this off match coming up? For sure?
First of all, I'm a big big I was a
quarterback in high school. I'm a big Tom Brady fan.
I love Aaron Rodgers. Um I think, uh, you know,
both guys are amazing, UM. And I love the humor. UM,
so I can't I can't wait to see that right. Um,

(01:58:20):
Aaron has that dry, witty humor and Tom has that
goofy humor. So I can't wait to see those uh
to go at it. And uh, you know, I gotta
start picking up golf man because I'm I'm missing out
on some deals right now. So I had to get
my golf game right. You know what's funny is they're
all jumping and even Bruce arians trolle. Tom braded us
last week. Uh. He asked Bruce about his golf game

(01:58:42):
and he says, I didn't know Brady had a golf game.
By the way, I want to know how it's his
knee because everybody you know, Brady just had knee surgery
right and in the off season, and I don't think
it was anything to get too concerned about. But nonetheless,
you know, when you're forty two year old quarterback, forty
three yeard quarterback, asn't needs your reads. Nothing just needs that.
But even Bryson de Shamble tweeted earlier in this week,

(01:59:05):
he says to Tom Brady, once Aaron Rodgers and I
take you down and Phil Mickelson down, you're going to
feel just as deflated as those balls were in the
FC Championship game. The Shamble actually said that, so they're
getting after it. I think they have writers. I think
there's writers and they're just just all right, listen, guy,

(01:59:25):
say this, say this, say this, right, Uh yeah, I
think that's the the I think they have writers. Well,
one of the things I think that will be certainly
uh something to pay attention to and be the primaries
and I'm I'm going to watch is that they will
all be miked up and they're gonna, you know, be
competing and kind of like this alternate shot match play

(01:59:46):
and this choruses. By the way, I got an elevation
of the ball is really gonna fly. But while they're
miked up, I gotta believe that they're really gonna be
talking some trash. And by the way, not for nothing.
Brady also checked in and said something about Keepta, Aaron
Rodgers and Dushambo. They're like the Packers kicking out a
field goal when they're down seven, which is another pretty

(02:00:08):
that's a pretty hard shot across the balcon do you know? Yeah, no,
I heard I heard him say that. I heard him
say that, and uh, you know, Aaron him really have
much to say back in times like listen, I feel you, brother,
Sometimes it's not even your choice, is this? It's uh,
I guess front officer, culch or whatever it was. But
I heard that. But you know what's funny after they
you know, and I, for the life of me, I

(02:00:29):
don't know why you kick a field goal in that situation.
But it's water under the bridge now, so Brady replied,
he didn't take it lying down. Uh, And he also
said to Michelson, why don't you guys get used to
laying up because Rogers isn't gonna go for it. Yeah
you heard that. So I think the long and the
short of it is, Look, you know, as you know

(02:00:49):
being in an NBA event for eleven years, this is
an entertainment medium, and these guys are superstars and they've
become larger than life heroes and playing these fields and
end feet tall, and social media and TV in the
twenty four hour news cycle has completely shrunk the world.
So you could put these guys on a golf course knock, Mike,
come up, and you're right there. And clearly the sponsors

(02:01:12):
are paying a fortune for it, So I would not
be surprised, quite frankly, if it actually does some ratings.
No will, I mean you listen, you you already have
the controversy between Um, Aaron and green Bay and whether
he's gonna stay, goal leave, whatever it is. Then you
have Tom, you know, who's loved and hated at the
same time with sevenarines. So uh, I'm I'm enjoying it

(02:01:34):
just for the simple fact that I know both guys
Um and I. I understand the humor, and uh, I
think the rating is gonna be really amazing. Well, yeah,
you're right, it's gonna be and not for nothing. Brady also,
uh you know, on his Twitter account posted that video
when uh Bryson d Shambo uh was talking about brooks

(02:01:58):
Kepka and showed brooks Kepka in his eyes. And so
they're they're getting after it at any rate. Katino, thanks
so much tonight, good stuff, and I hope you enjoy
your trip in Vegas if you come again and have
a good week ahead. And I want to thank my
broadcast team again back in Los Angeles. You guys have
been doing a great job and this game is going
down to the wire, although Milwaukee looks like they have

(02:02:19):
a reasonably comfortable lead now believe it's one, one or
two with about a minute ago, So maybe this is
the year they get the monkey off their back. He's
Cotchino Mobil. I'm Bernie Fratto. I appreciate everybody listening tonight.
I appreciate our guests joining us. And by the way,
keep it locked right here on Fox Sports Radio because
up next Chris Plank and Arnie Spanier they'll take you
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