Steve Hartman and Geoff Schwartz Celebrate Week Zero in College Football

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
You're listening to Fox Sports. Yes, living the dream once
again here on a fabulous Saturday. It is Harbin and
Schwartz from the Fox Sports Radio studios, and we got
college football. We got college football going on right now,
week zero of the college football season. And Jeff, I

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should tell our listeners out there that we are expanding
our show starting next week for an extra hour, because well,
we got a lot of college football to cover. And
you know, Jeff, you played your college ball at Oregon,
you played in the National Football League. You your family
has a long history in football. And as much as
I love the NFL, to me, there's just something extra

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special ball college football. It just it's it's my number one.
I've said it for years. It always will be my
number one. It's the history, it's the regional aspect of it. Um,
It's the different colors, the fans. There's a different level
of enthusiasm when you play the college game as opposed
to playing the professional game. There is nothing I don't

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like about college football. Jeff. Well, it's definitely fantastic. Um.
And as you mentioned, there's really something for everyone, right,
I mean, there are there's a team in like every
major city, right there's a team and obviously college challenge,
there's a team near your town if you live in
a small town. UM, there's conference allegiance, there's rivalries because

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actual robberie a sports as we've seen those become less
and less over the years. UM. And there's just a
lot of variety and so there's a lot of things
that are fun to watch. The game is obviously much
different than the NFL. It's more it's more open, more scoring,
more mistakes. But no, there's more action. And I'd say
I'm not saying it's I like the NFL because the
action is just better than the NFL. It's better players

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playing games. UM. But there's always something happened. We got
we had a fumble by Nebraska quarterback, Illinois runs into
a touchdown. UM, and we got Fresno and Yukon And
I didn't think you can still had a football program.
Obviously they do. We got some big football coming up
with U C l A Hawaii. I mean, there's just
there's so much variety and so there's there's plenty to
watch and choose from. And as Fresno states scorers to

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go up fourteen, nothing, that's Organ's opponent next weekend, and
I'm just excited like you are for coach football. Yeah,
my Bruins and sort of semi your bruins of u
c l A. It's interesting because this is year four
for Chip Kelly. This game will be kicking off here
before the top of the hour, so we got bottom
of the hour, so we'll have highlights of that game

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as well. But I mean this is make or break.
I mean when U c l A stole Chip Kelly,
I mean everyone thought Chip Kelly was signed, sealed, and
delivered to the University of Florida. That was all the
hype after he got fired by the forty Niners after
his one and done there and he ended up in
u c l A. And I think out the time,
a lot of Bruin fans, including NRS truly, we're thinking, wow,

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remember what this guy did at Oregon. I mean kidding me.
This is the biggest coop for U c l A
football of all time. What they did not understand is
that Jim Mora had left the cupboard bearer when Chip
Kelly came in. And then Chip Kelly has a way
of doing things that may have expired as far as
their level of success. Remember when he first got to

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the NFL with the Eagles, he had a couple of
really good years there. One year Nick Foles looked like
he was going to be the greatest quarterback of all
the time. One South quickly thought year yeah, and so
you know it's this is a make or break year
four for him. The reason he's probably still there is
the sizeable contract buy out that he has. So if
U c l A doesn't win eight or nine games

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this year and show some significant upgrade. And by the way,
you got a fourth year starting quarterback, you got eight
seniors on defense, twenty returning starters. I mean you essentially
have everybody back from a year ago. Uh, this this
should be an interesting year. You know, you talk about
this Nebraska Illinois game. Here Adrian Martinez. He seems like
he's been at the quarterback in Nebraska for like ten years.

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And I kidding you, it's like every year he's the
starting quarterback and not exactly good first, having just fumble
the ball away return by Illinois for a touchdown. But yeah,
I mean there's certain programs out there. You look at
Nebraska with Scott Frost, you look at U c l
A with Jip Gilly and they've been dormant for a
long time. And so there's there's a number of programs
out there JET that really have to show something in

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there are I'm counting right now, U c l A,
I think has sixteen senior starting at least according to
are too deep in this game against Hawaii and in
just a few minutes, and they have a lot to
prove right two years ago, youngest team in the country.
That's how you end up with an older roster when
everyone comes back. We know that returning starters is a
huge talking point as we had into a collegural ball season,

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and often it makes sense, right if you have guys
that are more experienced, you kind of start faster. But
because of the rules last year where everyone can come
back for free essentially right not cost against their their clock,
everyone has a ton of returning starters because a lot
of kids, about half half in the normal number went
in the draft, right with a lot of players coming back,
So what would use c l A for them and

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for Chip on the quote quote hot seat is that
they is that this is a senior leading group, so
returning starters are older players. This is all or nothing
this year. If Chip cannot do it this year, and
they have They have Hawaii, they should win their seventeen
and a a half point favorite, and they have Washington Oregon
and the crossover games from North which are the two

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and it's too toughest to play for the crossover. So
he's got to get it done. Across the street, Clay Helton,
gotta get it done. Scott Frosting, Nebraska, especially with you know,
a penny investigation. Gotta get it done. And you know
early in the season we're gonna see something coaching on
the hot seat have to show they can be those guys. So, um,
I'm I'm obviously excited to watch today and just about

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about twenty minutes it's supposed to be a hundred degrees
of the Rose Bowl, which is a rarity, and um,
I'm I'm just ready for football to be back. I
told my wife this morning, Steve, you know this morning
what I work. I woke up this morning about been
oh four. I turned over. I said, I said, hey, han,
look you see always playing a three thirty today and

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obviously it's during the radio show, so I didn't tell
her that I was gonna on the show during this time.
I said, look, you said, playing three thirty today. Can
we put the game on? You can pretend you like football,
so we the kids will watch it with me, like
I need. I need some support from my family when
it comes to football. And it's back like. I've watched
the preseason a little bit here and there, obviously it's

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part of my duties as well. And I watched the
Chiefs a bunch and they've been really good. But now
it's time for these games count right now? Yeah, they
they That's the great thing about college football and high
school football. Obviously we don't have those preseason games. We're
gonna get into the NFL preseason. Why the way, which
ends this weekend. You're like, so we got NFL next week.
We don't. There's a bye week for the NFL. I'm

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quite sure how this works out, but we're gonna get
into a little bit later on. By the way, you're
talking about how hot it's going to be at the
Rose Bowl today, Jeff so dating myself as usual. What
was turned out to be uh the late great Terry
Donahue's final season at u c l A. I was
the sideline reporter first ever for the u c l
A broadcast as far as sidelines. And I remember driving

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to the Rose Bowl that day and it was gonna
be hot. I knew that. And as I got out
of my car, the temperature, the exterior temperature gauge in
my car sat a hundred and eight and I'm thinking
about soul, we can't possibly be that hot. And then
I opened the door. This tidal wave of hot air
just blew into my car, like holy mackerel. So I

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I have like khaki slacks on and in a short
sleeve like golf shirt on the sidelines, which would be normal.
So I'm watching the coaches are running onto the field,
Coach Donahue and the rest of the coaches. They're in shorts.
Have you ever seen the entire coaching staff in shorts.
I've never seen it before. They were in shorts. It
was that hot. I was knocking players over for the

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gate array during the game. It was it was like
letter and twenty on the on the and they blew
out the You that day. Uh. That was the debut
of Butcher Davis as the coach of the University of Miami,
trying to pick up the pieces after they fell apart
for a couple of years there. But yeah, I know
the heat at the Rose Ball I was, I mean
I was at that game. I'd imagine I went to

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every home game as a kid. I was probably sweating
in a tunnel seventeen. But we were we were on
the shade side, so we we got a little bit
of a little bit of break um. One thing today,
by the way, to watch out for ye this is
something it's a very specific, right for U c L
A guy. So when you're watching the game today. For years,
as long as I can remember, U C. A was

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their silin was across from the press box and it
was in the sun. Okay, right, But when you're but
on television, you would see the Bruin bench and you
see the Bruin fans and the band and the student
section which was kind oft up on the band and
kind of to the left. A couple of years ago
they decided to move the Bruins back into the shade,
which put them so they put them on the shade side.

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But the problem is when you watch a telecast now,
for example, we'll go next week in L s U
L s U will be in the sun, but all
you're gonna see is yellow and purple in the stands
because their their bench is the one that camera looks
at every single play, so it doesn't look like you
still a home game. It looks like a road game
for them while they're at home. And it's atrocious. And

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I asked, actually asked someone about this at U C. A.
They said they're moving things around to make it look
not so bad this year because they it's a terrible look.
It's so bad. I remember A and M that that
Josh Rosen game. You turn the TV and all you
see is brown the stands because the cameras appointed on
the visitors section. It's it's silly of all time you
see it, like, come on, well, first of all, what

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you need to correct that situation is have a good
enough football team where you don't have as many fans
as the other school filling up all the seats. But
they're also they're not in school for three more weeks.
By the way, when I was an entering freshman at
U C. L A, Uh, you're like you said, I
got you know, normally in those days, all you had
to do was show your student I d obviously to

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get in for free. This was way back in the
Colosseum days for U C. L A. But when I
got there, school was an in session for several weeks,
so I got two tickets. It was like a little
stub that gave me access to the first two home
games before the school year even began, which was sort
of bizarre to me. I'm like, I'm already going to

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games here and I'm not actually at the school yet.
Um so. And by the way, you know, if you
work at at U C l A. You might know
this as well, Jeff, because they're on a quarter system.
You gotta have a guy that you know, never even
attends class, who's already played a quarter of the season,
and if he doesn't farewell academically after that year, and

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throw him to a j C for a year, get
his eligibly be back, and he'll be right back for
the start of the school year. The next system, we
had four games before we had class every year. However,
was that? I mean, it's basically the you're an NFL schedule,
you just all you do all days football. And there
was always a thought that much Baladi's teams tended to

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start fast. Um Like, like, for example, Organs lost, there's
two nonconference home games in like thirty years. I mean
we just don't lose at home and nonconference home games.
Boise one year and when am I weardly not? My
freshman year lost Indiana out of all teams. Um, and
it's because we just do football for a month, no class.

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It's like being the pros. That is nice. It's the best,
all right. On the other side, I want to get
into the continuing evolution here Jeff of college football a
c C Big ten, Pac twelve declaring war on the sec.
Are they gonna get things together? Here? Are we gonna
see an expansion? What is the next major move we're
gonna see in the ever evolving evolution of FBS football.

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Here on Fox Sports Radio. Kicking off the second half

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now and that Nebraska Illinois game. A fummal return for
Illinois right before the half has given them a sixteen
to nine lead. And yeah one, Scott Frost is really
feeling the heat at Nebraska as they try to somehow
go back to their glorious days which ended, by the way,
twenty years ago. And I was at that game that
was the BCS championship game in the Heisman Trophy winner

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Eric Crouch and the cornerhuse Skers got blown out by
arguably the most talented team ever in college football? Would
you not say the two thousand one Miami team. I mean,
when you consider they had uh Clinton Portis, Frank Gore
and Willis mcgahey at running mac. They had Kellen Winslow Jr.

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Backing up what was his name, Jeremy Shocky at tight end.
Ed Reid was on that team. Uh Vilma was on
that It was just an unbelievable team and it was
just overloaded with talent. Back in those days, I think
they had twelve players make first, second or third team
AP All American. But that was in for Nebraska. That
was it. I mean that since then, they have won

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zero conference titles, They've had zero top ten AP finishes
in the last twenty years. Are they ever going to
get it back? So it feels like they're in a
category that Michigan is in, Texas is in that USC
to extent is in Tennessee, Tennessee, Michigan UM teams that

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that recruit and live by past wins and losses. And
if you're in this day and age, if you're trying
to recruit players, they are eighteen, nineteen years old years old. Okay,
they do not know when Nebraska was good at football.
They do not want to hear about when Nebraska was

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good at football. They want to hear why they're going
to be good at football now and why you can
get them to the NFL and what an I L
deals you have for them and how much winning you
can do. Look, I know this first time as I
see how Organ recruits. Okay, little Organ, Steve, have you
been to Eugene before? Have been three times? It's not
it's not like a recruiting but you have to go

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actively recruit. You have to go. You don't. We don't
have a lot of talent Organs actually decent mountaln in Washington, Offics, California,
there's a lot. But what what Organ cells and why
they're one of the best recruiting programs of the country.
Is they sell now in the future. They don't talk
about what Chip Kelly, did I know Mario Christo ball Wall.
They don't talk about that. They don't talk about Joey Harrington.
You know, they don't talk about Danny O'Neil and the

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Rose Bowl. I don't talk about Norman van Brockline. No,
in fact that you're talking about. No. No. But but
my point is like they don't they worry about now
moving forward. I I know you know USC as well
as I do. They talk about the past too much,
talk about the past too much. Michigan Texas. Now I
think Sarka Texas is changing the vibe a little bit.
I'm excited to see what he does this here. But

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these these program Nebraska, Oh, forty years ago, we we
you know, Tommy Olsborn, we were dude, we know that's
that forty years ago. No one cares anymore. Like, move on.
You have to talk about the here and now. What
can you do for a recruit? Now? What can you
do for players on your team to make them better?
Get him to the NFL, get them paid, and get

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them the heck out of there? And it's players do
not care. Players care about tradition when they're at your school, right,
they care? Like when when I'm an Oregan, I care
about beating Washington and beating Oregan State. You know, if
you're in Nebraska, you care about who's Colorado? Was not
even the right They're on the same conference anymore. Whose
arrival in in in the Big Twelve are being big

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t no, whatever, don't matter when you're there, there's no rivals.
I've always asked, you know, rich Armburger, Penn State, who
is who is Penn States? And though like Oregon Washington
we hate each other. But my point is that when
you're recruiting someone, I don't care about that in the moment,
they care about that. When when you have to stop
talking about the past. And I think Nebraska to me

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a program still talking about the past, Well they are
in the past. And if they don't win this game
against Illinois, it could be the signal of another long
season for the corn Huskers. It could also be a
very challenging here. In fact, could be is not the
right phrase, will be a very challenging here for the
Big Twelve conference in college football. So if you haven't
been following the news ever since the announced defection of

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Texas and Oklahoma to the SEC, and by the way,
I heard from the athletic director of Texas Tech. He
still hanging on hope that Texas and Oklama will pledge
and continue to hold their pledge and they'll stay with
the conference through season, which is not gonna happen anyway.
So the Big Twelve announced today that they will not

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seek any immediate expansion of the conference. And that is
a telltale sign because here's what's happening right now. So
we talked about this couple of weeks ago and then
it really happened where a C Because we thought maybe
the A c C would hook up with the SEC.
They're not SEC stands alone. We don't need anybody, if anything,

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will take Clemson from you, a CEC. So watch yourselves.
So you got the a c C, got the Big tenning,
you got the Pack twelve sort of joining forces to
figure out how are we going to take on this
model at the SEC. Notice I don't mention the Big twelve.
So what Texas and Oklahoma are holding out hope is
is that somehow the Big Twelve just dissolves. And now
that the Big Twelve Conferences says no, we're not gonna

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actively seek expansion, and when we see expansion, uh seek expansion,
where are they looking well, they're looking at the group
of five A C. Mountain West, I don't know. You
go with San Diego State, Boise, Houston, Cincinnati, I don't know.
You're trying to get back up to twelve school would
be their hope, but everything seems to be on hold
right now. The Pact twelve also said, yeah, we don't
have any immediate plans for expansion. So it's a bit

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of a game of chicken right now going on, Jeff,
with all these conferences sort of staring at each other
saying who's gonna make the next move, because once one
move happens now, the dominoes will start falling. So how
is this gonna play out? With the Pack twelve, the
Big Ten, the A C C talking about some sort
of alliance against the SEC and obviously the future of

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the Big twelve, how is this going to play out? Um,
So it's gonna play out in small pieces. Here's what
we've gathered so far. It's an alliance with nothing on
paper and just a gentleman's agreement basically, and this is
a reaction to it. It's to do something, just anything
about what's happening with college football right now in college sports,

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which most college football. Right, let's just say, hey, look,
we acknowledge as much as they won't want a minute,
we acknowledge that the SEC Oklahoma and that they've done
this right, we acknowledge it's to been done, and we're
gonna talk about how to not undo it, but how
to how to counter how to counter this. A couple
of things that that I took away from this one
is that to your point, anyone can leave at any point,

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like there's really no lines. But most importantly, they want
to slow down. They the three conferences want to slow
down playoff expansion. And the reason they want to do
that is not because the pack doesn't need to playoffs expanded.
We definitely need the playoffs expanded. We're four to our
commissioners said he's for the expansion. It's that they wanted
to be bid out two different two different entities. Right now,

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ESPN owned the semifinal and the final right just three
games as it now, but they also owned like all
the ball games except two of them. So if the
playoff word to expand, they would get those, they still
keep the semifinals championship, and they would probably at some
point get more games. I think this working group of
PAC twelve, Big ten and in a SEC they want

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to bid this out the highest bidder, like the NFL
does for the playoffs. Right, the NFL has four networks
to cover the playoffs, and I think that they would
like that to be the case because that actually adds
more value obviously to to what the all these conference does.
That's that's what this is about. More anything else. UM
out West is also about scheduling. George cloff our commissioners

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mentioned they want to go from from non conference teams
down to eight. But I think this is just like
a hey, we know, it's what you're doing. And that's
to see. By the way, Steve is laughing at us,
like laughing. They're laughing this whole thing. They think it's
a joke and should they should should laugh. We have
no no leverage, we packed twell whatever. So that's what
to me this is about. It's like, hey, we acknowledge
what's happening. We're trying to find something to counter it.

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We don't really know what we're doing yet, but here's
what we're thinking. And we're not thinking anything because we're
not actually doing anything. Well, and here's the thing with
the SEC continuing and expansion. You bring into Texas and Oklahoma,
what do they bring with them more TV revenue. So
the more money is being funneled into the SEC. Because
out again, what is to prevent them from taking Clemson?

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What is the taking Ohio State? Taking USC? There's nothing
to stop the SEC right now. If they have the
most money, money drives everything. This is why Nebraska left
the Big Eight to go to the Big Ten. It
was not a great move for them from a football standpoint,
but for nine financially it made huge sense at the time,

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and that's why they made the move. And this is
where we're at. So, like you said, somehow, some way,
the A c C, the Big Ten, and the Pack
twelve got to slow down this juggernaut that is the SEC.
Because again Clemson could say, hey, look at what they're offering.
Not are you crazy, We're gone by by A c C.
We're going to the SEC. UH and other schools may

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follow suit. So I don't know how they're gonna counter this.
By the way, Illinois has just scored UH the line.
I'm putting a hurt right now on Nebraska now in
the extra point, but I just know how you're gonna
slow this down, because the more of this SEC expands, Jeff,
the more money is gonna be funneled into that conference. Yes,

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and this is a yet all about money. It's always
about money, all right. On the other side, I want
to talk a bit about the NFL season starting next week,
or well it's not starting next week. Why is there
a bye week between the end of the preseason and
the start of the regular season. We'll try to figure
this out on the other side, but first let's find

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out what's trending right now, all right, Steve, A couple
of cops football games in progress, as you mentioned there
early in the third quarter. How about midway through the
third quarter on Fox, Illinois just taking a twenty three
to nine lead over Nebraska. Elsewhere, Fresno State has also
scored on a fumble recovery. They lead Yukon twenty to
nothing in the second In the NFL, There in the
fourth quarter in Buffalo, with the Bills leading the Packers

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nineteens and nothing about nine minutes to go in the game,
Josh Allen two touchdown passes for Buffalo while playing the
entire first half. Jake from with a thirteen yard touchdown
scramble in relief for the Bills as well. Jordan's Love
his day is done for the Packers. He got the
start and played in four series. He was twelve of
eight team passing for one hundred and forty nine yards
and an interception. The Jaguars traded Gardner Minshew to Philadelphia

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for a conditional sixth round pick. Charles Robinson of Yahoo
Sports is reporting the Miami Dolphins has emerged as the
front runner in trade discussions for Deshaun Watson. Robinson reporting
that Miami is seeking three first round picks and two
second round picks. And in golf, third round action at
the PGA event in Maryland, Bryson deshambo Or four stroke
lead over John rom and Patrick Kent Lay and lest
I Bury the lead. Moments from now at the Rose Bowls,

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Steve Hartman's Bruins kicking off their season against the Hawaii
there might be generously five thousand fans of this game, right,
that's very generous, Jeff. By the way, I look at
that aerials shot, right, there plenty of available seats. Maybe
it's uh, I don't know. Let's just say they'll be
moving people down to the lower bowl before probably even
a couple of minutes before kickoff here not allowed. You

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know what, You've gotta start winning games before you getting
at fans back at the Rose Bowl. So uh to
sit out there baking in the sun on a hot
day in Pasadena. Not exactly show me something. I'm I'm
gonna back up the U c L A faithful out there.
Show me something, and I'll guess what. I'll drag my
ass out to the Rose Ball. All right, good stuff,
k Fig, great stuff there. By the way, Jeff, I'm

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looking at next week, we're gonna be moving our show
um an hour later and an extra hour on the
other end. So when we are on the air next Saturday,
we're gonna be well within halfway through that Oregon game
against Fresno State. Okay, that game will kick off two
hours before we're on the air. We'll have the Alabama

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Miami game going on. How about Iowa Indiana. That's a
pretty interesting matchup in the Big ten open up there
two top twenty. Well, I don't know, we'll find out
what well we'll be watching that. I'll put it this way.
There are so when you look at how many games
there are college football, And that's, by the way, there's
a loaded edule on Thursday, there's a about eight games

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on Friday, and then it literally looks like there's a
hundred games on Saturday. So we're gonna have all this
college football. We're gonna be talking about just firing from
a hundred different directions next Saturday. When thing we will
not be doing. It's previewing the opening of the NFL season.
So today or tomorrow is the final day of preseason
games in the NFL, and then they have a week off.

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The first game obviously will be a week from Thursday,
when the Buccaneers, defending Super Bowl champs take on the Cowboys.
Why did the NFL do this and how does this
maybe just a few things for these teams having a
bye week before the actual start of the regular season.
Well they did this, um, you know, because they went

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to three three three games obviously in the preseason, and
so this gives teams an opportunity to really rest their players,
work on their roster, and I think just gets guys
healthy ready to go. And yes, it's a much longer
break than usually normally. The last preseason game in years
past have been the Thursday before Labor Day, and then
you have Labor Day weekend to set your roster, and

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the players would kind of escape for a little bit.
Come back on Sunday or Monday, and you're ready to
play most off week the back Sunday, you're ready to play.
Most of these teams are gonna have two full weeks off, yes,
and and well they're gonna be the facility. There's gonna
be not playing obviously. Um so it um it, it's
gonna it's gonna just give people a chance to rest on.

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And I'm not sure matter to me. The story coming
out of preseason is that we have a great divide
on on how many reps players get in the preseason.
We have Andy Reid, Bill Belichick, Mike Tomlin, Ron Rivera,
Kyle Shanahan all playing their starters. A bunch okay that
we have you know, Stefanski, McVeigh, La Fleur, Joe Judge

(26:53):
and I think the Giants are starters, are playing the Chargers.
Staley is not play anyone. It's it's just great divide
between older very successful coaches and then a bunch of
younger coaches. And look, ste Fancy had a good year
last year and Mcbazeman and super Bowl La Fleur has
done a good job playing nobody and it's just a
it's a it's a fascinating dynamic. The chief starters last

(27:14):
night played well Mahomes, they played two drives, had a
hundred fifty yards and two touchdowns and they took him
out like it was And and the teams that look good,
I think give their team confidence heading into the regular season.
And the other side is obviously is kind of the
first game. It's like, oh, right, well, let's see what
we have, which I think is is not I would

(27:34):
like to see the starters play a little bit in
the priests. I'm not have to watch Josh Allen played
for the first time. I believe tonight he looked great
like that, That to me is good, right, you look
good through a great touchdown pass. He probably feels great,
Hay in the regular season, he got a little bit
of work in the offense, feels good, defense feels good.
Just this whole idea of not playing Justin Herbert, Why
what has he done in the NFL to not play
in the preseason. Oh, I agree with it. In fact,

(27:57):
Justin Herbert, it's a very interesting case right now. That
was a fan of his coming out of Oregon. By
the way, this is a new offense again. I mean
every year at Oregon he seemed to have a new coach,
He's to have new offensive coordinator, how to adjust and
did got better during his run at Oregon. Now the
same situation that he has this year with the Chargers
and a year ago with all the success this guy

(28:17):
had and it was a miracle when you think about
the fact that they had no plans on playing him
last year. To Rod stopped calling me Tyrod Taylor was
supposed to be the quarterback. Then he got his lung
punctured with, you know, by the team doctor and they
literally forced Herbert to run onto the field against the
then a Super Bowl champion Chiefs. And he had one
of the great statistical years. But here's what he did
not have as a rookie. He didn't have a road game.

(28:40):
I mean there were no fans. He played in empty
stadiums all throughout. So it wasn't it really wasn't a
true season for Justin Herbert. I mean, the fact was
he didn't have to face seventy five thousand screaming fans
at Arrowhead or you know, I've been Denver. He had
none of that he played in empty stadiums, which almost
gives it a pri just like feel in these games. Now,

(29:02):
how is he going to respond? And the fact that
he has been held out the entire preseason and you
look at I mean, first of all, their first two
home games home games that's so far, are gonna be
against the Cowboys and the Raiders, and those two teams
will literally pack that stadium with their fans, so those
will be like road games. In fact, anticipate most Charger
games in l A will be much like they were

(29:23):
at the Soccer Stadium road games because of the overwhelming
tickets being sought by the fans of the opposing team.
So yeah, I think Herbert's great rookie season. Um, I
think he's in for a test year two that he
didn't face as a rookie. I think he has to.
And he's got a new coach staff as well. Yeah,
the team doctor whenever you think to say the Charger

(29:44):
team doctor, puncturing Tyrod Taylor's LOGA obviously feel bad for
Tyroder's gonna start for the Texas this year, but I
feel like I feel like the Bears need that guy
to come to their facility. Just I'm just saying that
back to Herbert Um. Yes, look, I think you have
a new offense and you have a new head. It's
a very young coach. It's only been a corner one season.
It was a great job blaster in uh in Los

(30:05):
Angeles for the Rams. I just think like you have
some new left tackle, some some new parts, like just
play a little bit, play a little bit, because they're
gonna start Week one and it's gonna be like, oh,
I haven't done this in a game in a long
time now, and we're gonna have a half staying full
of cowboy fans. It just I would be more comfortable

(30:26):
if the team I was rooting for play their guys
a little bit the preseason. So I want to get
to this now because we're gonna run into a little bit.
I want to carry this to the top here. Big
stories around the NFL, it's always about quarterbacks, obviously, especially
rookie quarterbacks. So we know this, Trevor Lawrence will start
Day one. Gardner Minshew, by the way, traded today by

(30:46):
the Jacksonville Jaguars. So any thought there was any quarterback
controversy that was, you know, being created by Urban Meyer
and Boys the jury out in Urban Meyer. But we'll
see how that works out in Jacksonville anyway, Trevor Lawrence,
we know it's gonna be a game one starter, and
so will Zack Wilson with the Jets. But the other three,
the other three rookies, whether it's Justin Fields, whether it's

(31:07):
Mac Jones, or whether it's Trade Lance, there's sort of
quarterbacks in waiting. The big question is how long will
it take before they assume control of that offense. I
want to I want to go one at a time here,
and let's start with the Chicago situation with Andy Dalton
and Justin Fields. Uh quickly. My observation on Fields is

(31:31):
I think he's getting a little overhyped based on what
I've seen in the preseason. I like him a lot.
There's a lot of things to like about him, but
it's not like he's exactly, you know, buzzing passes all
over the place, picking defenses apart. I mean, they were
showing his highlights from his first game where he ran
in for a touchdown and then threw to a receiver
that was thirty yards open who back pedaled into the
end zone. Um, and then you had Andy Dalton, of

(31:53):
course go on the record saying, well, it's my time.
You know. They seem to have a really good dynamic together.
There seems to be a bond between Annie Dalton and
Justin Fields. But Mike Naggie, who is a very unpredictable coach,
where is he going with us? Well, he's gonna start Dalton.
But that's a mistake. And this is I'm gonna make
a very strong case. I feel like you should to

(32:13):
play to play Justin Fields. Um, And he might not,
he might not totally be ready yet. But here's here's
why you play Fields. Dalton does nothing for the Bears,
all right. The best they get from Dalton is this
season they go nine and eight, ten and seven and
our a wild card team. Again, he's not a one
year deal. How does that prepare you for next season?

(32:36):
People will turn towards the Chiefs and say, oh, Alex Smith,
Pa Mahomes. Alex Smith had won the division two years
in a row. He had his best season of his
career in twenty seventeen. They were They were again in
the playoffs and there were two seat that year they
to buy in the first weekend of the season and
in the first weekend in the the playoffs, there's not that situation.
Fields gives them the opportunity to build to the future.

(33:01):
And if you're a Matt Naggy, you have to tie
Justin Phillips performance too. You're coaching, okay, so you need
to show that he progresses throughout the season. So the
first quarter of the year, the first four games, he
plays this way, the next quarter he plays better. Third
quarter because he's up and down week to week. But

(33:23):
you have to show improvement each each single week or
each kind of quarter each four weeks to for the
Bears organization to feel like you're the guy to coach
up Fields. If you put him in week seven eight,
when things are going sideways, he's in a terrible situation.
The team is is taking not i mean not not
physically taking, but but you know, but like uh not

(33:44):
mentally taking like actually just not very good, right, And
it's it you put in a situation that's not advantageous
for him. Put him in now, let him go through
his bumps and bruises, let him learn, let him grow
with this team and get right for next season, because again,
don't does nothing for the Bears this year. Yeah, it

(34:05):
really is interesting. Now there seems to be conflicting reports here,
Jeff about the contract situation with Mike Naggie. I was
talking to what I say again, Matt Mike, I said, Mike,
I always go Mike Naggie instead of Matt Naggy. Mike
Naggie was a picture for the Red Sox. I had
his baseball card nineteen sixty nine. Matt Naggy. Um. So,

(34:27):
when I think about Naggie and his contract situation, I
know he has a deal through twenty two, but there
are reports that somehow he also has an agreement through
twenty three. And why does this matter? Well, it matters
in the sense that he has some level of job security. Now, obviously,
if they go you know, four and thirteen this year,
nothing's gonna save him. But I mean the contract sensition stuff.
To me, I don't know. I mean, they can, they

(34:52):
don't have to keep him. They just did fireman pay
him out. I'm not worried and worried about that, all right.
So in other words, my question, I guess then, is
how imperative is it for him to show because obviously,
if Justin Fields is your future, which he is, how
important is it for Naggy to show that he is
the right coach to develop Fields into the quarterback. You

(35:12):
hope he's going to be down the road because if
he sits him, then you you certainly don't know whether
or not. I mean, it's one thing to coach a
guy like Andy Dalton. We know what you're gonna get
with Andy Dalton. The question is what are you going
to get with Fields? And is Naggy the right guy
to bring him along? Well, so you have to you
have to show that by playing him right and by

(35:34):
showing that you are the guy to do that. And
if you put him in the middle of the season
when things are going anywire, then he's put in a
bad spot to start that process right. One thing I've
I've heard Steve when I make this argument is, oh,
they play the Rams week one. Okay, yeah, they have
Aaron Donald, but guess what. They play the Browns week three.
They have Javine Clowney. I mean not not Clwney. They

(35:57):
do have Clwny though he talks. He talks messing offensive lineman.
They have Miles Garrett and then they play the Bucks
later in the season and Washington Football team. Everyone's good
play him or don't play him like But that's not
the reason why, Because for the Rams defensive line is
so good. If he's ready, he's ready. If not, he's not,
don't use that as a reason why. So I am
I I'm looking forward to to watching him play eventually,

(36:18):
but he's not gonna start the season all right. On
the other side, we'll talk about the tray Land situation
with Jimmy Garoppolo. Then you have New England, Cam Newton
versus Mac Jones. How will that play out? We're gonna
tell you coming up next Steve Irvan and Jeff Schwartz. Well,
things have gone from bad to worse for Scott Frost
and Nebraska. They are now down thirty to nine to

(36:40):
Illinois four minutes to go on the third quarter. Wow, yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah yeah. I remember all the hype. I mean, they've
got Scott Frost is gonna save our program after what
he did at Central Florida. Not happening. They're going in
the wrong direction, all right, quickly here, Jeff, I want
to get to these two teams that have quarterbacks and waiting.
Let's start with the forty Niners right now. Jimmy garas
Papolo and Trey Lance. Now, as of now, Kyle Shanahan

(37:03):
has not made an announcement on who is starting quarterback
is going to be. I would imagine it's well he
says he has a good idea. Is how Shanahan's being
quote ed right now? But when you talk about Trey Lance,
who played one season of SCF football, really played I
believe one game last year on would this be premature

(37:25):
to throw Trey Lance out there if you're the forty niners. Um,
so this is different than the bear situation. Every situation
as you need to itself. So you you've you've traded
a lot of assets to get Tray Lance, right, we
know that and the Shan's and John Lets there's job
security is totally fine. But the difference between Dalton and

(37:50):
and Jimmy Garoppolo's Jimmy garoppol has proven that he can
take a team to Super Bowl. Now, the reason why
they got Trey Lances because he missed a couple of
those in the Super Bowl that they they can't let down, right,
guys are wide opening missed them. So when healthy, Jimmy
Garoppo has won a lot of football games. And that's
the cab that right, when healthy. So I do think

(38:12):
they start Jimmy Garoppolo. It's very clear to me that
they're they're building packages to get Lance on the field,
to kind of get him some reps. I think they
want to play him. It's a starter sooner than later.
And to begin that process, you just get him on
the food on the red zone and get him on
the field for this and that kind of slowly work
him into the system, because again, you traded too many
draft picks and too much capital to let him sit

(38:32):
all season. We've seen now, whether it's whether it's Uh
the Seahawks with with Wilson, the Eagles in a sense
with Wentz, the Chiefs with Mahomes, you gotta win while
the while the guys on the rookie contracts, because it's
you build a better team around them when you're not
paying them forty three million dollars. Okay, So you cannot

(38:53):
waste an entire season in my opinion, without Trey Lance playing.
I agree. I mean Jimmy Garoppolo, by the way, is
a starting quarterback in the NFL. Has a record of
twenty four and eight. But the idea that he's going
to survive a seventeen game season. He did survive the
entire season in started every single game in their Super
Bowl year, but last year obviously just six games three
games the year before. So yeah, health would be a

(39:16):
big dictating factor as far as the forty niner is
a concerned all right, New England. Right now, Cam Newton
has looked good in the preseason. I'll tell you who
really throws the ball well as Mac Jones. I mean,
I've been he has made some outstanding throws. So any
doubts that this guy can you know, be a quarterback
in the NFL, forget that he'll be a quarterback in
the NFL. The question is, Jeff, when how long will

(39:37):
it take before Bill Belichick turns the page on Cam
Newton and ans the ball to Mac Jones. I think
that takes some time. Um here, and here's the reason.
Why do we have like a minute left? Um? So,
when you have a short and training camp like this,
you don't really have time to install a Cam Newton

(39:58):
centric offense where you have those special place for Cam
write the read options, the power runs with the quarterback,
the trick plays off of that, the reverses, the screens,
the you know, the passes, all that stuff and then
also have time to kind of work on a mac
Jones type offense. Right, you've either or now with with
Cam Newton missing four or five days recently, there are
three days it did let mac Jones work on the offense.

(40:19):
So I think Bill is going with the older guy.
They're gonna hunker down an offense, big tight ends, run
the football, play action pass, and ride it with Cam
until the wheels fall off. All right, So you you
sort of hinted into something I definitely want to get
into the next hour. Also have a lot of college
football coverage for you U c l A. By the way,
early three nothing lead against Hawaii and that's the COVID situation.

(40:40):
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a number of NFL teams right now. They'll have a
bye week to get everybody healthy. But how about from
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(41:48):
All right, there you go. That's great, charlet Field Sports.
Nebraska trying to get back in this game. Still down
thirty and sixteen to Illinois a little more than a
minute ago in the third quarter in that game. Uh
and imperative I believe for Scott Frost to show something
early in the season. So that was Brian Barnhardt apparently,

(42:11):
Why is that important? Yes? No, that was the Illinois announcer.
All right. So we're often running, is what you're saying
right now. We're often running. This is this is our
first highlight of the college football season. Iowa Sam and
completely about that. Behind the scenes, A little little chaos.
It gets crazy here on Saturday. Well, hold on, hold

(42:33):
on a second, let'st's talk about this set. So right
now we have really two games of note going on too.
We have Illinois Nebraska, and we have the u c
l A game against Hawaii next Saturday. We're gonna have
like fifty games going on at the exact same time.
So if if it's early Sam with two games, what's

(42:56):
it gonna be like next Saturday? With say, Steve, we
have a we have a mojo, we have a a routine.
You will break back into it. We're just sort of
getting our our sea legs back under again. On that.
That was Brian Barnhardt of Learfield High. Well, very good
for him and a good call there again. Nebraska trailing

(43:16):
thirty and sixteen Illinois minute ago in the third quarter
of u c l A playing in front of like
six people at the Rose Bowl leading Hawaii three. Nothing. Um, Steve,
your your quarterback in his eighth year quarterback is not
very good right now? Now, d t rtist and very frustrated.
I don't think he makes it in this season. I
think they put the Phillips Kiddens. Well, the irony is
is that he's been at U c l A as

(43:37):
long as A. D. M. Martinez has been at Nebraska. Uh.
And both of these guys are seniors apparently finally seniors, UH,
four year guys that you know, these programs are counting
on for two coaches, Chip Killing Scott Frost that are
hoping to have something big happen. U c l A
just ran for a touchdown up against the middle of
a defenseless Hawaii team, so they extend the lead. But

(44:00):
you're right, I mean when we talk about and I'm
glad you went there, because it's interesting when you think
about college football, so much is dictated by well any
levels dictated by quarterbacks. But when you have an experienced quarterback,
there's always that next level height going into the season.
And yet the three monster schools, Alabama, Clempson, Ohio State,

(44:22):
all of them lost their quarterbacks, and yet it doesn't
seem to affect them at all, at least according to
preseason prognosticators, who still have Alabama, Clempson in Ohio State
all ranked in the top five teams going in the country.
So why is it that those schools can seemingly move
from one quarterback to the next quarterback seamlessly, while most

(44:43):
schools really are dependent on a quarterback developing you know, freshman, sophomore, junior,
and then hope that he's gonna have that big scene
a year. What's the difference, Well, you just mentioned for
four schools I believe, um, well, I'll put Oklahoma on this.
But the three schools Clemson right number number one, pick
number tenth pick. I believe it was Watson somewhere around there, right.

(45:07):
Uh So to two top fifteen picks, Alabama to Mac Jones,
Ohio state fields first round Haskins like you, these players
are and by the way, they're leaving the pack to
a footprint. These are all quarterbacks from southern California in
Arizona that are starting at at Georgia, at Oklahoma, at Clemson, Alabama,

(45:33):
Ohio states and look if you for the Iowa State
who people expect to be very good this year, quarterback
from Arizona. Um. So, they want to go to a
place where they can be drafted and drafted high and
they know that if they sit for a year or two,
that doesn't matter. You have one or two good seasons

(45:54):
at the school you're at. Matt Jones, one exact season
of being the starter overall that that will get you
into the NFL. And that's why you're willing to do that.
If if if other schools were able to put guys
in the NFL's quickly, then they would start getting players

(46:17):
like that. It's no coincidence at Oregon, but justin Herber
in the first round and got their highest quarterback recruit
they've ever gotten afterwards, right, that that matters, right, usc
by the way that they get top quarterback recruits, just
kid Jackson Dart Right, they just had a couple of
guys over the last couple of years of us will
be in the first round. Sam Jarnald was in the
first round. Like that matters. And so when we see

(46:40):
other these places I haven't developed quarter it's just because
major quarterbacks don't want to go there, because those schools
don't end up putting guys in the NFL at the
same right these other schools do. Yeah, it's interesting that
football is in some ways evolving much as the basketball
game happened college basketball, where you see this all the
time in college basketball, where a guy goes to a

(47:04):
school for one year and he may not even have
a great season, but if he had a lot of
hype out of high school. He's still gonna be a
lottery pick in the NBA. Meanwhile, he got guys that
maybe play two or three years at the collegiate level,
they may even be All Americans, and they get completely
ignored in the NBA draft. And if almost feel like
we're looking at the same situation here in college football.

(47:27):
Not that there are one in Dunson college football, but
there are guys that have such limited experience. Haskins was
a one year starter at Ohio State. You mentioned Mac Jones.
A lot of these one year starters at these elite
programs and boom, first round, no problem because of where
they come from. Um. Yeah, that's that's it's exactly right. Um.

(47:48):
And so your Bruins, while I just picked the ball
a defensive alignment, picked the ball off and you said
inside the ten again, and they look like they are
about to go up seventeen nothing, which they are seventeen
and a half point favorites, right, but not the first
quarter nothing the first quarters you been on this game,
Um no, but actually trying to do it right now?
My so, my, So, the way the way I looked

(48:08):
at this game, I literally logged on right now. I
looked at this game, was um, I was unsure about
Dorian Thompson. Robin has actually improved, right, He's looked very bad. Um,
but U c. L A Is far and away the
better team, Like there's no question about it. I just
don't want to kind of see them do it. And
they've done it, so I it's it's I mean, they're
gonna blow out Hawaii. Their defense, by the way, has

(48:30):
has looked much improved. So um, it's it's fun to
see a third and goal. Let me give you right now,
right now, Hawaii, you ready for this? Hawaii has negative
three total yards in this game. That's their total yards
right now, no first downs, and they have total yards
of negative three withinside seven minutes to go. Here in

(48:52):
the first court, therey go yeah. They keep trying to throw.
Um these a little like bubble screen things and U. C.
A Is very prepared for them. So it's now fourth
down and one time out. The blood is like running
through my I love this, like we have football back.
It's the nightest thing ever and it's very Look, we

(49:12):
didn't we did a lot of shows last year after
college football was over. This we started afterwards, Like I
have a bad habit of just blurting out things I
see on television. Alright, so now think about this. So
starting next week, next Saturday, we're gonna be on one
to four on the West Coast, four to seven on
the East Coast. And think about that. I mean, I've

(49:33):
done in the past where I did the morning games
like ten to one on the West Coast, one to
four on the East Coast. But we have all the
morning games done. When we get on then obviously we
have a full slate of games that are going on
while we're on the air, and we're in a position
to talk about the games coming up later on in
the evening. How are possibly gonna do I'll that, Jeff,

(49:55):
How is that possible? And by the way, we also
have to look ahead in two weeks too, don't know
NFL preview as well. Now exactly we're gonna get this
all day. We're a professional talkers. I think I think
we'll be able to do. We can talk fast and
we can cover a lot of ground in a short
amount of time. By the way, so that as you know, Jeff,
and I've advertised as U c l A has just

(50:16):
scored again, up fifteen nothing right now, penning the extra point.
So I have a vote for the Heisman Trophy. I
don't know if you know this, Jeff. Oh, that's right,
you do. Everyone knows because I talk about it all
the time. So once we get into a week or
so of games, or everyone's played at least a game
each week, I'm gonna give you my updated one to

(50:36):
three in the Heisman Trophy. I like to do this, Jeff,
week to week. Um. I want to make sure everyone's
got a game because what happened last year has no
bearing on this year's Heisman race. It's a new year.
Everyone gets a game in. Then I'm like, all right,
here's where I stand. One to three in the Heisman chase.
I'm looking forward to that. I've been doing that for
a long time. Um yeah, and uh do you after

(50:57):
after one quarter of action? Looks like Zach Sharbonnay might
be your leader. I had this. You should see some
of the Week one guys I've had over the years. Uh. Um,
Taysom Hill remember him at b Y You who's not
is he? It was the Saints backup quarterback? Yes, that
that guy that states backup. Oh, I'm glad you brought

(51:17):
that up because on the other side, I was meaning
to segue to that the New Orleans Saints quarterback situation,
and are we about to unveil one of the great
stories in the NFL. In we'll talk about Jamis Winston
coming up next, dtr hands and off, Charvonnay up the middle,

(51:40):
Charbonnay to the house touchdown. U c l A, welcome home.
But if you want to way to Michigan for the
l A native has come back and he's found the
end zone in Pasadena from twenty one yards out. Josh
Louin there, my buddy boys of the Bruins litter Firald Sports,
zach Scharbonnay, the transfer from Michigan running in the touchdown

(52:03):
for u c l A. They have a seventeen nothing
lead right now, three minutes to go in the first
half and UH Hawaii finally moving the ball a little
bit in this game, but struggling to get any real
offense going against U c l A defense by the way,
that has eight eight UH seniors on their defense, so
they should be pretty good. They listed uh they're starting

(52:24):
eleven as all seniors. By the way, did they really wow?
I mean there are secondary is all I know for
a fact the secondary. All five of the secondary players
are all back from last year. They all played last year,
they all started usially led the conference last year in
sacks like they're getting after Hawaiis quarterbacks so far today,
um so good signs for the for the Bruin Bruin defense.
Yeah right now. Eleven yards of total offense for Hawaiian

(52:47):
this game. So struggling to move the ball against his
U c l A team. I think one of the
big stories in the NFL this year it's gonna be
Jamis Winston and the New Orleans Saints. So here was
a guy that two years ago through for over fifty
one yards led the NFL, was second in the NFO
with thirty three touchdown passes, and he got released Why
because he threw three thirty interceptions, first thirty thirty guy

(53:10):
in the history of the NFL reclamation projects. Sat on
the sidelines last year with the Saints, and now he
will be their Game one starter. He has looked good
in this preseason. The thing about Jamis Winston that's always
impressed me since I first saw him at Florida State,
is that he can make every throw I mean, he
he has it all when it comes to throwing the football.

(53:30):
He has the arm strength, he has touched, He can
do so many things throwing the football. But you know,
it reminds me of a young Carson Palmer when he
was at USC another guy that had the ability to
make every throw, but he just seemed to make a
lot of bad decisions early on and then somewhere along
the line it's finally clicked with that guy. How much
of an impact is Sean Payton gonna have on Jamis

(53:53):
Winston and can he filter out the bad from all
the good that is in that right arm of Jamis
winn Stim. Yeah, that's a good question. So Jamee's obviously
had the thirty thirty year right thirty interceptions and thirty touchdowns, Um,
it was over thirty touchdowns and more than more than
thirty through exactly thirty interceptions to pick six to end

(54:13):
the season. Over time, it is perfect, perfect per for him.
So in I would say that his career average before
that was about fourteen and fifteen in receptions a year,
which is not not good but not bad. I mean
it's not it's not that bad interceptions cannot be don't
always have to be the worst thing every But he's
fumbles a lot too, So you get him back in
that range fourteen fifteen interceptions, he'll throw thirty five touchdowns

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in this offense. What you have is a Saint's offense.
One is one of the best in the NFL. So
I might call it the best them in the Browns. Right,
She's a much better office long. He never played with
an offense line like like this in Tampa. Obviously, whe
wide receivers not as good as Tampa. Thomas is hurt
right now, but you have a coach and in Sean
Pagne that the emphasizes using the backs, screens, ball out quick,

(55:00):
and kind of scheme up for for success. He got
lay six so you can see better now, which is
just wild to me that the professor quarterback just didn't
have lay six beforehand. They couldn't see like playing without
seeing um So, I think he will be much improved
this year, but I do not think it's enough to
win the division. Uh. But I am very curious to

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see if he can become a reclamation politics sort of
like we saw with Ryan Tannehill going from Miami to Tennessee.
UM as it kind of the latest example of that.
I'm curious, Steve, do you think he can do it?
I do. I I think that. I think they're getting
a gold mine in Winston. I really do. He's twenty
seven years old and he has had success in the NFL.

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And as you mentioned, it was an aberration the thirty
interceptions because of the offensive Bruce arians ran for him.
It It was one of those basically throw it up
for grabs offenses. I mean, that's how they operated Tampa
that year. They just throw the ball down the field
and they're gonna make some big plays and they're to
make some mistakes. I mean, because I was doing our

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Sunday show and it seemed like, obviously Tampa being an
East Coast team, we always had their early game right,
and it was unreal how on their first drive he
would seemingly throw an interception, but almost every time on
their next drive he'd throw a touchdown pass. Like it
always seemed like, all right, he throws a pick six
or he throws an interception, but he would immediately follow

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it up with a touchdown pass. So I think it
was really the design of that offense where the numbers
were all over the map. Again, fifty yards passing led
the NFL thirty three touchdowns, that was tied or second
in the league, the thirty interceptions. But now coming it
into New Orleans, and think about this if you're Sean Payton,
Drew Brees, first ballot Hall of Famer, the most accurate

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quarterback in history. But a lot of that accuracy late
in his career was his inability to throw the ball
down the field. And so they were throwing shorter passes,
completable passes which played into Drew Brees is you know,
skill all set at the time. But now with Winston,
they don't have to do that. They can get the
ball down the field, they can stretch this field, and

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I would imagine Sean Payton is blurry, I thinking of
all the possibilities that are open to him now as
long as Winston doesn't implode, where he can expand this
offense beyond what he could do with Drew Brees. Yeah,
I mean they definitely will be able to throw the
ball deeper, but I don't know if that is what

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they want to always be. Oh boy, brew yes, is
this good for you? Are you betting the house? The house? Right?
That was Charbonnet the transfer from that was that wasn't Sharbonnet,
that was brown Sharpe. You're right, yes, Sharponette. He looks
good so far, he's crushing it. So here's the thing

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about about the offensive nuance. Yes they can't push the
ball downfield. But to who, well, that's that's or the problem, right,
So yes they can with Winston, but I would I
would limit the offensive opportunities for that to happen because
I don't want Jamis to make those mistakes downfield. I
want a precision passing game where you limit the amount

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of times he has to really feel the need to
make those deep plays down the field because that's when
he gets in trouble. Yeah, I mean, well again, but
I think that at least early on. I mean, if
he can show that he can stay away from the
bad interceptions, uh, they're gonna be able to do a
lot with that offense, no question about that. So Winston,
I mean, you know, we're always looking like, who's that

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next breakout star? Like last year was Josh Allen who
you know? Just I mean, there was no way to
predict that his numbers would go up the way they did.
But I'm also thinking about this, you know, and We're
obviously talking a lot of football today, but I wanted
to equate how, in so many respects in baseball was

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not exactly a precursor of things to come. I talk
about the sand Ego Padres who suddenly became this hot
topic in the off season because wow, look at the
breakout season they had in Yeah, but that was in
the sixty games season. Now of our hundred sixty two,
they don't look like the same team saying they win
the NFL even though they played a full schedule of games.

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Fans weren't there. It wasn't the same atmosphere for teams
a year ago. So a guy like Josh Allen who
suddenly had this breakout season, or Justin Herbert who had
this incredible rookie season, they are going to be playing
in a much different NFL in yeah. And and that's
you know, that's that's good. You know part of it

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as well. It is a different league now. Um and
you know you can't the quarterback obviously, we know that,
but the rules are even more restrictive now. And you know,
getting after wide receivers, you know, quite not not quite
the same as it was. Um. I don't you mentioned
Josh Allen, I don't know if Winston will have that
type of season. I mean, that was like an historic

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jump from being a mediocre to being really good. I
think that it's one time I was with Carson Wentz
and Sam Donald, like if you can just go from
being bad again. I don't think Jamis was that bad
in Tampa, but like bad to average or bad to
slowly above average. That's a big jump in one year,
and then next year the Saints feel more comfortable giving

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Jamis a longer deal and building around him for the
next five or seven years. That's I know Champagne wants
to win this year, and they have the talent to
get close in the NFC, I think, but not not
finish enough. But I have to imagine they're hoping it
goes really well because then they don't have to draft
a quarterback, right they find their guy for the future.
You live with some turnovers. Got stop fumbling. That's a

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big problem. Has to stop fumbling, and then you can
build around him moving forward again. You don't have to
go draft some m with with you don't have draft picks,
you trade them away. You don't have enough enough pieces
to build, so just he can be your guy, all right,
U c l A leading out three over O Hawaii.
It's still Illinois leading Nebraska thirty sixteen, nine minutes to

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go on the fourth quarter in that game. What do
you make of this story here? Out of Tampa Tampa,
the Buccaneers are one of those teams bragging about how
many of their players have been vaccinated, and yet right
now they just had their fourth player placed on the
reserve COVID nineteen list. The latest is in Dominan. Sue
uh is now on the list. Ryan suck up their
kickers there, Nick Leverett's there, or Watford. We are getting

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teams even though the overall percentage of those vaccine in
the NFL is skyrocket, and I think it was what
we have a lot of players who apparently have been vaccinated,
who are either exposed to COVID or our COVID positive themselves.
How much of a worry is this for the NFL?
Because everyone thought, well, if you just get everyone vaccinated,

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you should be okay. They're still doing all the testing
and they're getting positive results all over the place. Yeah,
I mean, there seems to be a maybe correlation with
the Titans and Bucks having practice together and the Titans
have nine people, uh in kind of a quarantine status.
And now and now well, I mean, look, look, the
vaccine and being vaccinated does not take away one percent

(01:02:08):
of COVID. That was never going to be the case.
But if everyone is vaccinated, your protocols are different and
you get players back on the field sooner and not
everyone else has to quarantine as well. Right, So I
think we'll be fine this year. There's going to be issues,
of course, because there's always issues. Um, if you're playing
during a pandemic. They'll be less than last year, especially
as more players get vaccinated and we're seeing the rates

(01:02:28):
continue to go up in the NFL. Players are vaccine
even even look, the NFL is being very heavy handed.
They find a couple of players on Buffalo and guess what,
Isaiah mackenzie, when I got vaccinated yesterday. Um, and if
they get up to that, you know that that full vaccination,
then you really will never have to worry about missing

(01:02:49):
a game this year. Yeah. But again, here's the here's
the problem with the vaccines. They said initially what they're
gonna be depending on maderna, whatever you're taking une five
percent effective. But they're now saying that after six months
it might only be affected. Why you have to get
another shot, so the effectiveness of the vaccine doesn't carry

(01:03:12):
over forever. So if you get everybody vaccinated and you think,
all right, we're safe. We got everyone vaccinated, but their
vaccinations are no longer as effective they were six months
after the fact, or even a couple of months after
the fact. Everyone's got to get vaccinated again. I'm just
I mean, I think it's it's great and obviously we're
gonna see fans in the stadium. I was at a

(01:03:32):
Dodger Padre game down to Peco, not a mask inside.
Everyone having a great time packed in there at Pecco.
But at the same time, uh, this idea that they
still don't know the long term effectiveness of these vaccines
could create a situation. We'll get into that on the
other side, including more NFL talk, more of what's going

(01:03:54):
on in college football today week zero of the college
football season. But first let's find what's trending right now.
As we turned back to Mr Kevin figures alright, Steve
speaking of college football, Nebraska trying to chip away at
the Illinois lead. It's thirty to sixteen, a Lie and
I with about eight and a half minutes to go
in the fourth quarter. You can see that game on

(01:04:14):
Fox Elsewhere. As you guys mentioned earlier, Zach Charbonne at
the Michigan Transfer just scoring his second touchdown to the
game for u C l A. They have a twenty
three league over Hawaii as they had to the second quarter,
Fresno State dominating Yukon thirty one and nothing in the third.
In the NFL, the Jaguars trading Gardner Minshew to Philadelphia
for a conditional sixth round pick. Six preseason games on
the slate today, including Baltimore, who will face Washington in

(01:04:37):
about ninety minutes or so. Earlier, Josh Allen through two
touchdown passes for Buffalo in a nineteen to nothing win
over Green Bay and Baseball and FS one kyleege Shorebert
home run for the Red Sox. They have a two
to one lead over Cleveland in the second Socks chasing
the Yankees for the top wild car spot in the
a L. They are three games back. New York is
in Oakland facing the A's that one is scoreless in
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(01:04:59):
It's Evan Eastern and Golf third run action at the
PGA event in Maryland. Branson to Shambo a two stroke
lead over Patrick Kentley through twelve back to Stephen Jeff
all right, very very good, Thank you very much, cave
fig alright, just checking some of the numbers on this
U c l A game. So Zach Sharona Charbonne is
our leader for the Heisman right now. He's averaging over
twenty yards and carry. I would imagine any running back

(01:05:22):
who averages twenty yards and carry, he has got to
be in the Heisman. Conversation Press quarterback Jake Kaner yards
and three touchdowns. Wow, Okay, he's in the mix. He's
in the mix right now. Uh Dorrian Thompson Robinson the
u c l A quarterback not in the mix two
for seven nine yards? Wow. Wow. What about the Bruin

(01:05:43):
d Lyman who picked the ball off and ran about
seventeen yards? I thought your ballot I would look at
I the only there's only been twice and I've been
voting since. So the Cam Newton won the Heisman was
the first year I voted for the Heisman. Only twice
have I voted for someone on my fine ballot who
did not win the Heisman Trophy. One of them was

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Christian McCaffrey. I picked him over Derrick Henry. Uh that
year when he set the national record for all purpose yards.
It was close, but I I leamed with McCaffrey, who
finished second that year to Derrick Henry. The other year
was a guy who also was runner up. I voted
man Ti Tito over Johnny Manzel. And the reason I

(01:06:24):
did that was is that remember this vote was done
when Notre Dame was number one, undefeated. They were the
talk of the college football. I know Johnny Minzel had
had the big game against Alabama that elevate him to
that level. But to me, a linebacker who had never
had an interception had seven interceptions that year, the year
the man Tito and all that stuff about the mythicgol

(01:06:44):
girl friend and of course getting blown up by Alabama
and none of that had happened. So when I cast
my ballot um to me man Tito and Notre Dame worre,
that was it. And I hate Notre Dame, you know,
I'm not a Notre Dame guys, you know, um, but
I would love to have a non quarterback in the conversation.
I would love to see and when we had a

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last year with Davante Smith winning the Heisman Trophy and
he deserved it and I gave him my vote. I
love that though, when we can get beyond the quarterback
position and somebody else can emerge as a Heisman Canada.
Would you have voted for mant Tail after the uh,
the fake girlfriend? After that? I mean probably, I mean

(01:07:27):
that the whole story. I mean, he was catfished. I mean,
what are you gonna do? I mean it seemed and
remember he was then drafted by the Chargers, so I
I you know, and when I had a face to
face on the number of face to faces Mantel, first
of all, you appreciated that I voted for him for
the Heisman and I told him that, But I mean,
he wouldn't not talk about it. It just it was

(01:07:49):
an embarrassing situation and unfortunately he never could live it down.
Who I helped if he had had a good NFL career,
but never really is panned out too much in the NFL.
But I don't know, how did you feel about that?
Is that a big deal to you? The fake girlfriend? Yeah?
I mean not for the way he played in the field.
I think it was kind of just you know, we
were in that era of cat fishing, right, kind of
in a newer era of social media, and so yeah,

(01:08:11):
it was it was, it was whatever. I just laughed
about what it was like something to laugh about that.
But he had an unbelievable seasonable year. He has not
been as bad as a pro as people want him. Yeah,
I mean he's had a pro career. I mean that's

(01:08:32):
you know, most guys are that there are guys that
have a pro career out there. Um, all right, so
let's let's talk. I want to get a little bit
into college football right now, because we are going to
be going full blown college football coming up next week,
as we're gonna have a full slate of games. When
when the season begins like this, Jeff, going back to
your days at Oregon and the fact that you don't
have any preseason and and really you only have you

(01:08:54):
have spring ball, then you return in the fall, and
what he got about a month to pretty much other
and and so often times now U c l A.
We're talking earlier, they have all these returning starters, but
normally you have all this turnover in college football, and
maybe you have an idea. After spring ball, war guys come,
but guys to emerge. What is the normal lead up
from a player's standpoint, is you get ready for the

(01:09:17):
start of the season, especially if you start with a
big game. I mean there's no preseason, so they all
count from day one. What is the preparation. What was
it like for you getting ready for the start of
the college football season. I I mean there's there's excitement,
right because you know, you go through all through camp,

(01:09:37):
you hit and you get after it, and you want
to hit someone else finally, right, and so you're excited
for the opportunity, and um, you just want to you
just want to get on the field. That texts you
get that first kind of hit out of the way.
And for the most part, we weren't playing a big
dog in week one, right, so you know you were
able to play Hawaii and we played I think in
my four years in college, we put Indiana, who we
lost at home, by the way, the most embarrassing game

(01:09:58):
of all time. We trippled them. We tripled their total
yards but at seven turnovers and lost. Um because my
first college football game ever, I thought, I thought I
was like, oh my god, this is like what did
I do to myself? It's only it's only Organs second
non conference home loss in like thirty years. Um. And
then we played we actually opened up with with in Houston.
You know five, we played I believe Stanford at home

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in OH six? Is weird to play conference game first?
And then oh seven, let me play Houston at home. Um.
So you're just excited to get on the field finally
and get going. Um. And you know, when you're an
older player, there's a sense of of obviously comfort and
knowing what's about to happen. Now you don't know physically
the matchup you're about to have is get what's gonna happen,

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but mentally you know how things are gonna go right.
You know the process of game day and the warm
ups and getting after and then once you get in
the floe of things like you slay right now in
the flow days your you love in life. Right, there's
just this overwhelming happiness to be back on the field.
It's so great. In college trouble and let me ask
you this because we were talking about U C. L
A and Chip Kelly trying to essentially save his job

(01:11:04):
this season. His first years at Oregon as the offensive
coordinator was your senior year. Um, what was that like?
I mean when I mean they called him part of
that New Hampshire mafia, you know, the Ryan days. Everyone
seemed to have those ties to the New Hampshire did mulling,
That's what they called it back in the day. Um.
So what was it like when when he showed up

(01:11:24):
at Oregon? And how dramatic was the difference when he
did show up Zach Charbonnet to the house thirty one
three US le Bruins. Um So, Uh, it was interesting.
I have a good Chip story. So I was. I
was hurt in uh the off season before he got there.
So in two seven, I was rehabbing a back injury.
Were in the process of hiring Chip Kelly, and I

(01:11:45):
remember we were at a Friday morning workout in February
and I wasn't doing the work. I just had surgery
and Chip was there to interview or was in town
for something, and I was standing next to him, um
and talking to him about his offense. He just was taught.
We were just standing at back at this whatever. I
remember thinking to myself, there's no way this works. There's
no way. Like I just talked, I'm like, what's this

(01:12:06):
guy talking about? To be hired? Chip? And we go
through spring I didn't do springball because I was hurt.
And we get to training camp. I remember the first
couple of days being like, oh my god, this is
really like his works is. It's the feeling of confidence
I had in this offense was almost something I did

(01:12:29):
not feel in the NFL till I got to like
Andy Reid's offense right where you feel in such control
of what's about to happen, and you have total faith
in the play call that's happening, which I didn't always
have playing in my NFL career. And I knew that
Chip would put us in the right spot every single time.
And because of the tempo we played at, we tired

(01:12:50):
out teams we played USC that year in USC's defense
had everyone got drafted, but they were exhausted. Right, we
were better conditioned, we're in better shape. We outscheme teams
we get after. We're seeing now and Chip has always
wanted to run the football, always want to run the football.
We're seeing now today. Obviously they have almost two yards
rushing so far. That's what Chip wants to be, says
offensive Linement. I loved it right. He put us in

(01:13:11):
a great position for success. He schemed up ways to
get us into great spots, and I love playing for him.
I saw him packed a media day. I just like
Chip Kelly. I'm wishing the best room. I think we've
seen this year so far, at least run game wise,
He's changed what his style is. I think for a
little bit of time he was too much of scheme

(01:13:33):
over players, um. And now I think he understands, like, hey,
we you know, yes, my scheme is important, um, but
we have to mix it up and get some better places.
And you see like Zach Charbonnet transferring in. I mean,
he's got great Doulser's tight end. He's got some playmakers
now and he's changed things up. What he did, what
what what he's done And we're seeing the results now

(01:13:54):
now next week and obviously they have l s U
so we've seen a better test. What was it like
that year when he went into the Big House and
just blew the dogan? I mean, I get even what
was it? I mean, Oregon on this game was second
game you had that year you beat Michigan thirty nine
to seven. Uh. That, of course is the year Michigan
had gotten upset by Appalachian State in their opening game.

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They were looking to make amends against you guys, and
you literally blew the doors off of them. Man oh man,
that that must have been unbelievable. So we we um
we were up thirty or two seven a half time,
we kind of shut it down. We really even play
the fourth quarter. So they just lost the app State
And I remember watching on film and thinking to myself that, like,
there's no way they're this slow on defense, because if

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you watch the app State game, actually just ran by them.
It was Urmandy Edwards or as the quarterback, and they
just ran by it like taking slants to the house.
And I talked about it, there's no way that the
slow and and and narrator. Yes, they're that slow. They
there were that slow, and we just we smoked him
in the first half. I mean we we Dennis hit
multiple deep shots for touchdowns. Up front, we ran the

(01:14:57):
statue Liberty and the fake statue Liberty U and the
fans were booing and they were You guys had six
twenty four total yards and three thirty one on the ground,
and again we didn't play the fourth quarter of the
stars and play the fourth quarter. We were out out
Because isn't that one of the great flights home. It's
the best. And you know it was remember to the

(01:15:19):
weather that day was perfect. It was a little bit
it was a little bit overcast. It was still kind
of but still kind of hot and humid, so your
body felt good. But the sun wasn't being down the
whole time. And and the funny part about that Michigan
team Steve they ended up going ten and three and
beat well that was Remember that was Lloyd cars last year,

(01:15:41):
Lloyd Cars last year. And remember their final game was
the Bowl game and they beat Tebow's Heisman year. They
beat Florida in the Bowl game. That was the end
of the Lloyd Car era. But they just never forgave
them for the app State loss. And then they of
course May went the rich Rod route and that was
a disaster. And then Brady Hope came in and and uh,
well Michigan's been looking for it ever since. Yeah, and

(01:16:04):
um it uh And so it was so much That
year was so much fun. Man. We were in such
control of everything. And that's I think, what when you
talk to players that either offense or defensively and they're
having a really good season or they've had a good
couple of years and you feel very in control of
what's happening. Well, yes, that was I. So we played

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you like this, it's what storytime today. So uh we
played u c l A. Is my only time, so
I grew up again. I went to every Bruin game
as a kid. I know the fight song is still like.
I'm a big Bruin fan. And so we, uh, we're
kind of spurned by U c l A. It is
what it is. And was the first year and only
year I was playing in the Rose Bowl. Back then,
we had, uh we had eight conference games that we

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were kind of rotating. We were trying to redo the schedule.
So we only played you sealing the Rose Bowl two
thousand and seven, and um that was the second game
after Dennis got hurt. So Dennis got hurt against Arizona
and then we went to u c l A. So
we went to see starting Brady Leaf, who's Ryan Leaf's brother.
The third string quarterback was actually the air apparent to Dennis,

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and we were red shirting him. We were trying to
red shirt the third string quarterback because he was more
of a mobile guy that fit our offense. He had
tore his a c L two weeks before in practice,
so he was he wasn't available. So going to this
game with with Brady Leaf, a pocket passer in a
in a read option offense. He breaks his foot first quarter,
early second quarter, So we now have we now played

(01:17:31):
our third string running back because our second string was hurt,
our third string at quarterback to so wildcats stuff. And
then also we had a walk a true freshman walk
on quarterback playing his first freaking game ever as our quarterback. Dude,
we did not get inside to thirty five yard line.
We lost. We have sixteen nothing was nine. It was

(01:17:53):
nine nothing for most of them. And I cried so
hard in locking him after the game. It was the
most upset everybody was. Again, this was out we could
Nobody in college football is winning a game where your
fourth string walk on freshman quarterback. We're gonna have to
walk away from this. We're just gonna have to walk
away from this. It was very upset. I didn't mean

(01:18:15):
to go there. I didn't mean to go there. Had
to run in a national championship until Nixon got down.
We got hurt. We were going to win that year.
On the other side, we'll take it through the rest
of what we expect this day, final day of the
NFL preseason coming up next. This is fowsome goal. This
is the game. Is rolling to his left coverage in

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a touchdown. How is that the game when they were
losing by two touchdowns? That's an interesting call. Greg sharp
Lear Fields Sports making it sad like Nebraska was knocking
on the door of a victory. They're not forty two
seconds to go in this game, still trailing the fighting
Aline I of Illinois thirty to twenty two. Uh Adan

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Martinez Statistically, he's had a good game, two hundred thirty
two yards passing no interceptions. He's run for a hundred
and eleven yards and a touchdown. By the way, Iowa
Sam wanted to mention, uh the guy that scored that
touchdown for Nebraska, who apparently has played for every school
in the Big Ten. Yes. So his name is Oliver Martin.
He's from my hometown of Iowa City. He went to
my high school and he first went to Michigan, then

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he transferred to Iowa and then he transferred to Nebraska.
So he's done the big ten. Well, I don't know
why he left Iowa. The guy Oliver Martin. You say
he's got six catches on hundred three yards and a touchdown.
Not bad interest. He has found his home. Finally, I
don't think that hop does that happen often? Jeff Wred
guy can play for three schools in the same conference rules.

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I mean now it's allowed right right now that you
you have basically one year where you don't have to
sit out a season where you can just make a
clean transfer, even within your conference. Uh, that will change
the transfer. I want to think, Uh, Iowa Sam, how
about Kevin Figgers? K fig doing a great job for
us today? I always great to seek fix and uh,

(01:20:05):
Mr Leader Lap the usual, he's all sucked. He thinks
the Packers are gonna go seventeen and oh this season
it's his prediction awful Week three preseason against the Bills.
But that's okay. Yeah, you're just don't matter. I mean,
like what matter? How did Jordan's love look today for
the Packers? He looked he looks solid, solid? Yeah, ain't

(01:20:27):
The Packers three for the preseason went winless for the
first time in like thirty years I saw. Oh. By
the way, speaking of preseason, so the Ravens are trying
to win their twentieth straight preseason game going against the
Washington football team. That would break the unofficial record. They've
been trying to research this. Uh, they've found out that
the Packers under Lombardi at one point one nineteen consecutive
preseason games. The Ravens have a loss of preseason games.

(01:20:50):
Since you talked about that, uh the last time we
were on. Uh, so are you betting the house? I
think there are a three point favorite on the road
against the football team today. Are you going to play
that game today? I am not. I didn't wait joining
the NFL today. No, NFL, You're gonna save it all
for college? Yeah, I just I mean, it's it's it's

(01:21:11):
the last week the preseason. Like I'm just not doing it.
I mean like I don't because because every you know,
you know, if we knew kind of uniformly how everyone
was playing this game, that I would feel more, I
feel better doing it, But we just don't know who's
playing who, Like some teams are playing the start of summer,
not um. And so to me, it's just I'm just out,

(01:21:32):
all right, So how do you play this? I'm curious
because all right, so we got like sixteen games on Thursday,
college games, eight more on Friday, and then I can't
even count how many games are on Saturday. So how
do you navigate the college football season? I mean, how
do you from a gambling standpoint? I mean there's just
I mean just trying to find, try to find you

(01:21:52):
try to find, um, you know, just kind of edges,
you know where you can Obviously I bet a lot
more in the Patrol than any of the conference think.
You just find the edges you can find. Don't put
every game, um, I like bending unders when I see
some line move in that direction, and you just try
to find, you know, the edges you can find um
in uh, you know, I like, I like, you still

(01:22:12):
have to cover against l s U. I like organ
State to cover against Purdue. I mean there's some I
feel like the Pactrick wants to believe your bad. We
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