Pac-12 Apostles - Jon Wilner, Week 8 Review & Week 9 Preview

On this episode of Pac-12 Apostles, George Wrighster and Ralph Amsden are joined *FOR A FULL SHOW* by Syndicated Pac-12 Hotline Columnist Jon Wilner! Today's topics include whether or not the Pac-12 has any remaining path to the College Football Playoff, whether or not the committee would put a 12-1 Ohio State in over a 12-1 Oregon, the legitimacy of a Drake London Heisman candidates on a mediocre football team, potential USC and Washington State Head Coaching scenarios, speculation on other possible job openings, plus a review of last week's games and a look ahead to week 9 of the season!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
All right, here we go, Pack twelve fans. This one's
for you. This it's the Pack twelve Apostles and only
the truth lives here. Pack twelve Apostles Apostles. It is
Week nine in the Pack twelve, and there are so

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many things going on in the conference. Can Oregon get
in the College Football Playoff over Ohio State if they're
both twelve and one? The game times are not favoring
Oregon State and they're still not ranked, and that's an
absolute crime. Uh USC thought, I guess that they could

(00:43):
get Mike Tomlin. He's like hell to the know what's
going on over at Arizona State. Plus Week eight in review,
the Pack twelve power rankings, and the Week nine picks.
I'm George Rice Stir He's Ralph and then and today
we have the Bible and the Gospel of them all.

(01:04):
Mr John Wilner from the Bay Area News Group and
the Pack twelve hot Line here man, Welcome to the show. John.
I'm happy to have you. Well, thanks to its tons
should be tons of fun. I appreciate you guys having
me on plenty to talk about, that's for sure. I'm
pumped to have John and Georgia he's been doing stuff

(01:26):
with my guy. Brad sessment down in the down in
Arizona is making me a little jealous. So it's a
it's good to have John here with us. Yeah, Brad,
he's a good guy. Yeah, all right. The first thing
of is we have, like, John, what, what's your assessment
of the conference through eight weeks? Because for people who

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don't know you are an a p voter and a
Heisman voter, what have you seen through eight weeks? Because
your ballot is public and you have two PAC twelve
teams ranked, Oregon and Oregon State. I do I mean,
I've seen a lot of the same stuff that we
saw before the pandemic, right, I mean you kind of
have to write off last year, But back in that

(02:14):
eighteen nineteen window, it was kind of the same stuff, right.
The Pact twelve had a lot of parody, which made
for lots of exciting games. But there's a big question
as to whether there's a team good enough to make
the playoffs this year and as was the case all
the previous few years. And do you believe that Oregon

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State has you know, like they're not ranked. I think
it was only four voters out of the sixty three
who had Oregon State ranked. And I think that that
is partially because of pretty much every single one of
their games has been a late kickoff, and all of

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them except for three, we're on Pack twelve network and
or so they're either late on FS one or Pack
twelve net network, which have which hasn't given anybody the
visibility to see them play. I mean, I think that
that's certainly part of it, There's no question about that.
The other part is, I mean there's two other issues.

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One is produce not very good, and Produce beat them.
So you know, if you're a voter and you're doing
a little bit of your homework and you're looking, well,
you see a loss to Purdue, Produce what big ten,
So that's not so good. The other thing is that
there is unquestionably brand bias in the voting. Right, I mean,
voters are more naturally inclined to vote for teams that

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they voted for in the past, right, And Oregon State
if you're an Oregon State or Awake Forest is another
good example. I mean, they got a better record, but
newcomers to the radar have a higher standard to clear,
higher bart clear to get respectfully in the voters. Now
College Game Day was seriously can it are in going

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to Corvallis before they lost to Washington State? And then
it comes out that the College Game Day lead in
really really helped the ratings for the Oregon game, this
being I think the most watchpack twelve games since According
to James Corpea, it says three point eight million viewers.
How much did Oregon State cost themselves by not being

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able to get a win? Uh? In Pullman, because I
mean that that would have been the that might have
gone a long way to erasing some of the brand
bias that you're talking about. It might have, It might have.
I don't know for sure that they would have picked
Oregon State Utah. I mean that's you know u c
L A Oregon's got a lot of appeal on a
lot of levels, right, I mean, Chip Kelly's a national name,

(04:43):
Oregan's a national brand. You know, u c L A
Rose Bowl. There. There's a lot of reasons for that,
you know. Plus I mean Chip, you know, Chip knows
those people to ESPN. I'm sure that helped. Uh. But
if they had it hadn't worked out that game they
had gone to court VALI I mean It would have
been a great atmosphere in Corvallis, I'm sure, and it

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probably would have gotten more eyeballs on on the Beavers
and maybe they would be ranked right now. But you know,
it doesn't In some ways, it doesn't really matter whether
they're unranked or whether they're twenty second right now. They
just gotta keep winning. If they keep winning, they'll get
ranked and they'll have a chance to play for the
division title. What about this double edged sword for Oregon State? Though,
the better they do, the more Georgian I start screaming

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from the mountaintops that Jonathan Smith's the right higher for USC.
So it's almost like the more light they get shined
on them, the more at risk they are to have
someone come and rob them of their coach. That's I mean,
that's the way it is at at that level of program. Right.
I mean, in some ways that happened to Washington State,
right because leeches continued success got him an SEC job offer. Uh,

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you know, I don't know if he would leave his
alma mater to go to the USC. Right, USC is
a different deal. You've gotta deal with l a and
it's a lifestyle choice. In addition to a coaching choice.
I always wonder if those guys that are happy in
the Northwest, whether it's Smith or Peterson or even Christal Ball,
would want to go deal with l A see and that,

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And that's where I've tweeted out. I said that Texas
that USC fans have surpassed Texas levels of of delusion
for who they can hire as their head coach, because like,
I know what's l A. I live in l A.
I understand the whether, I understand the you know, the
allure all of that. The first thing everybody doesn't want that.

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And then the second thing about it is is I'm
not sure that USC people and people around the country
who talk about this job understand that this is near
a full rebuild, particularly on the offensive line, because they
don't have any draftable like guys who are expected to
get drafted in there in the freshman sophomore class and

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or or even any of the upper classmen either. So
it's so it's like, if you're gonna compete on the
level and you know, do what USC does historically, which
is being able to just run people over with the
amount of talent, then you got a long way to
go with this roster. In a short amount of time,
and people aren't gonna be willing to be patient. Yeah,

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that's true. I mean that your right offensive line is
tough to write. I mean, the transfer portal allows you
to restock very quickly, but UH offensive line it generally
takes longer for those guys, whether it's UH transfers getting
acclimated in the system or freshman So I do think
that there's enough good coaches out there that that have

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a big enough ego to think I could do it
at sc right. Yeah, they got no offensive line, but
I can do it. I'll make it work, And that's
part of what makes you a great coach is having
that ego. They'll end up with some good candidates, I'm sure,
but I don't know that Jonathan Smith is going to
be one of them. Me Mario Christal Ball is going
to be one of them. Well, we we seem to

(08:01):
know that Mike Tomlin is not going to be one
of them as is. I don't know what made Carson
Palmer float Mike Tomlin's name out there and stir the
pott in Pittsburgh. My initial thought was this might be
the Cincinnati Bengal coming out in him. But he hasn't
had anything to do with that team since the moment
he left, and so I'm not sure how this all

(08:22):
went down, but Mike Tomlin's response to being linked to
the USC job was so aggressively negative. I mean, it's
it's the right thing for a fan base. So often
these head coaches waffle, but I almost wonder, if you're
a USC fan, does that kind of take some of
the wind out of the sales of of of what
you think or what you aspire to as far as

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a head coach when somebody comes out and is this aggressive.
I mean he said never, say never, but never and
then walked off the stage. Uh. And I mean that
was his reaction to being linked to what ten years
ago would be the best John job in all of
college football. And it I just wonder what the effect

(09:04):
is for the ego of USC fans across the country. Well,
and then there's the Jeff Fisher thing, right. I was like,
like Jeff Fisher, like, how can you find a way
to go seven and nine in in twelve games? Like
he's not your guy. This was just a crazy situation.

(09:28):
But uh, John and Ralph, because me and Ralph have
had this debate. He says the PAC twelve has no
path to the playoff at this point, and I'm like,
what are you talking about. If Oregon goes twelve and
one in Ohio State wins the Big Ten, and we're
assuming that Georgia wins the SEC and beats Alabama in

(09:50):
the SEC Championship, and then Cincinnati wins out and then
Oklahoma wins out. Let we're assuming that those things happen,
which are possible. And he's like, the Pac twelve has
no chance if it comes down to Ohio State at
twelve and one and Oregon at twelve and one, And

(10:10):
I'm like, we saw the game on the field, like
it would be a mutiny if if they put Ohio
State in at twelve and one and not Oregon in
at twelve and one. Oh I think the Ducks. Yeah, absolutely,
I think the Ducks will get in on that case,
thank you, no question. I mean, there's a there's a
precedent for that, right Oklahoma. When twelve and one the

(10:33):
loss was at Iowa State. Iowa State was unranked, so
comparable to the loss at Stanford and Oklahoma one at
Ohio State week two of the season, and they got
in and they got it easy. They were the number
two seed, So I can't imagine a scenario in which
you know, well, there's plenty of scenarios at Oregon could

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get left out, but I don't think there's any that
let result in Oregon getting left out because of Ohio
eight getting in right, Like there's one spot left and
they pick Ohio State set Oregon. I can't see that happening.
That then then they got to blow up the system
immediately because you're saying they head to head result doesn't matter,
and it was my decisive had to head resolve. My
primary issue isn't that that's not the correct argument, because

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I believe that it is. My primary issue is that
as of week eight of AP voters have Ohio State
ahead of Oregon with the same record. So we're assuming
that over time, UH public opinion is going to shift.
When Ohio State has probably the toughest schedule remaining in
all of college football, including number twenty UH Penn State undefeated,

(11:41):
Michigan State undefeated Michigan. I think they might still have
I will under schedule, they play at Nebraska, and so
it's it's moreover what it would take to get to
twelve and one for Ohio State, and considering the of
AP voters can like currently have Ohio State above Oregon
that I have a really hard time imagining. At some
point the pack twelve provides enough um for for Oregon

(12:05):
to say, look at our resume, UH, we can come
from behind, which they are right now, they're behind. Maybe
the College Football Playoff Committee has a completely different attitude
than AP voters as a whole, But I think we
all know that they at least take some direction from
how the polls shake out over the course of the season.
They usually do. But in the first poll, the second

(12:25):
poll that the committee puts out is kind of known
as the correction poll. Right. They put out the first
one that's kind of based on the A P Poll
and the coaches poll, and then they see what the
reaction is and then they re evaluate and the second
one is a little bit more accurate. No, I I
totally get what you're saying, Ralph, And Oregon needs you know,

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Utah and Arizona State. UH. To keep winning. They need
to be able to play as many ranked teams as possible.
They need to face a ranked opponent in Las Vegas.
There's no doubt, um, But I just I can't see
how a situation where it comes down to those two
teams for the fourth spot and Ohio State gets in

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and if they're both twelve and one, I just can't
see it. There's other you know, I think if you're Oregon,
you know, you certainly need to be worried about undefeated
Oklahoma and undefeated Cincinnati, and then you need to worry
about what if Alabama beach Georgia. Yes, that could that
would raise a that's a problem. Assuming that neither one

(13:31):
of them stumbles for the rest of the season, then yes,
that that creates a problem for not only you know, Oregon,
but it creates a problem for Cincinnati or Ohio State
or even Oklahoma like it creates I mean, because what
happens if wake Forest wins out, even though nobody thinks

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they will. What what happens if they do? Well? Yeah,
that's true, You're right, nobody really is considering that. But
an undefeated a CC champ would certainly get serious consideration. Now,
one of the things that George brought up that that
that I also kind of take issue with is that
let's say that it comes down to Ohio State and
Oregon and both teams are twelve and one and the

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College Football Playoff Committee decides to take Ohio State. George
paints a picture of weeping and gnashing of teeth and
tearing of clothes, and I I have genuine reservations. So
whether or not the country would go to that. We
all know that people love to complain and they'll latch
on to, you know, whatever there is to complain about,
especially when it comes to UM you know, committees and

(14:36):
selections in the college Football Playoff. But I don't know
if this country has the energy to to to get
behind Oregon at the expense of Ohio State. I don't
know if the public opinion would really be UM as
fervent as George outlines it to be. Yeah, I don't know.
I mean, certainly out west it would be fervent, but

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you know, the most of the population is east of
the Mississippi. I don't I think that the pact twelves
under performance the last few years would certainly hurt its support.
It's public support in a situation like that. Uh, But
I mean, you know, you can lay out is six
or eight scenarios that are more likely than than that one.

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I understand why it's it's for pactwell fans, it's certainly
something to consider, but there's so many other hurdles I
think before that you get that one, I mean including
Oregan winning out right, I mean, they certainly haven't played
nearly consistently enough for that for that to be potentially
an issue. The other one is what if what if
the Michigan Michigan State went er Beach Ohio State. Then

(15:40):
there's another problem, right And there's a lot of issues
right now, a lot of a lot of and the
fact that Cincinnati is going to be really viable because
that win at Notre Dame. Yeah, and yeah, and I
wonder if they'll get squeezed out because people have questions
about their their schedule and only playing the two packed
the Power five opponents in Indiana and Notre Dame. But

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but John, you're you're a a Heisman voter, and we
have been talking about the Heisman Trophy about who can
win it at this point because I sometimes I'm disappointed
with the finalist. I thought last year you guys got
it right with Devonte Smith. But sometimes it's always, oh,

(16:26):
the top quarterback on the best teams, and it's like
sometimes they're not even the best player on their team,
And I look at this year. The three players that
me and Ralph Field like have been the best in
college football this year have been b Jean Robinson for
the running back from Texas. You have um who's a

(16:48):
two sun kid by the way, kid, don't remind me?
And Cavan Thibodeaux from from Oregon. And um oh, who's
who's Drake London from USC Yeah, I mean, certainly pound

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for pound those guys are as good, right, I mean
I think Cabon's issue, though, is gonna be he missed
time and he didn't play in the Ohio State Gium
they won. Anyhow, So if you're a voter, you know,
and remember, what is it, three or five six of
the of the Heisman electorate is located east of the Rockies, right,
So if you're evaluating a defensive player and the last

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defensive player to win it was Charles Woodson, who was
also a punt returner. Uh, if you're evaluating a defensive
player and you see that he didn't even play in
the team's biggest win, you know that could sway you
in another direction. So I think he should be He's
on any list of the five best players in the country,

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But it is that's not the same as being on
the final fire for a Heisman. In the mind of
a Heisman voter, though, if a team goes six and six,
but you have somebody like Drake London have a hundred
and forty catches for eighteen hundred yards, or or you know,
in just a regular season, or or you have a
guy like Jean Robbinson um run wild as a sophomore,

(18:17):
you figure he's going to get another chance to do
it again. Do do they even become discussion points? Or
is it look that Heisman is traditionally one of the
best players on one of the best teams, and so,
you know, tough luck to everybody else. Yeah, I mean
for most voters, it's it's a popularity contest, right, There's
there's no doubt about that. I mean, London certainly helped himself.

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What you know, Notre Dame playing and Notre Dame is
the biggest stage you can get for a Heisman voter
because there's such a heavy concentration of the electorate in
the Midwest. Um, what do you have fifteen catches for
a hundred seventy yards? I mean, I can't do any
better than that. So uh, personally, the biggest thing for
me is how do you a against the best competition? Right?

(19:02):
I want those I want to you know, and you
can take the statistics and you can filter statistics for
you know, fcs, I mean FBS opponents, Power five opponents,
Ranked opponents, Conference opponents. I always look to see, all right,
these guys have you know, have the gaudiest stats and
their teams have done well. But who has played the

(19:23):
biggest on the biggest stage, and so right right now,
who who is kind of in your upper echelon of
people right now? Well, I mean London is for sure,
there's no doubt about that. Uh. You know, I think
Desmond Ritter of the Cincinnati quarterback needs to be given

(19:44):
heavy consideration. There's a lot of support lately for Kenny Pickett.
I don't know, if you guys have seen pick from Pittsburgh,
you know, there's always the Heisman is so crazy because
there's always a couple of guys who aren't even in
the conversation before when the season starts, and then they're
they're in it deep in the season. Uh. You know,

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I think Bryce Young deserve probably deserves some consideration if
they can, especially if if they can beat Georgia. The
good news is that the Heisman has tweaked there the
voting so that you can wait through the conference championship
games before you have to go. You gotta have your
votes in by one of two o'clock Pacific on the
Monday after the Conference championships, so that that certainly helps

(20:28):
as a voter. You know, I want to see what
happens in those games. Yeah. Um, there there's been a
lot of talking to Pack twelve, John and Ralph about
potential job openings. Right Obviously, Washington State and usc are
are open now, and there are fans that I mean,

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of course, fans always want the next head coach, the
next quarterback, all of all of that. Do you think
any other head coaching jobs come open this season? Ralph?
What do you think can happen in Arizona State? Oh Man?
Well States coming open? Yeah, I mean you would, you

(21:13):
would think. But they're in such a unique situation in
which Ray Anderson hired his lifelong friend, former client, uh
that if Ray doesn't, Ray is not gonna fire hermanwords,
so they'll have a different name for it. If Ray
stays in herm doesn't, it won't be a firing. It
won't be a resignation, it'll have They might not even

(21:35):
say retirement. They might just make up a word like
they did for the n C double A investigation by
calling it a review. You know that. I love that.
Well what infuriated me is then like local media down
in Arizona started using that term, and I was like,
there's no, there's no precedent for this, Like we look
ridiculous by it. What do you mean like they don't

(21:59):
come just check up on your on your own work
every now and then, right right, like like everybody else
is is is you know, has their their employee review
this week. But I would say that unless everything comes
down to you know how focused in Michael Crow is
on all of this, the smartest thing that Arizona State

(22:21):
did to even be able to play football this season
was suspend with pay the three assistants who were mentioned
in the dossier and then not interview them. Because if
Arizona State had conducted any type of internal investigation whatsoever,
then more would have been done than just putting three
assistance on paid leave. Um, so they've kind of left alone,

(22:43):
left it up to the n C Double A n
C Double A has a lot on its plate, and
so they just kind of get to drift through this,
you know, strange season in which they're not able to recruit,
but they have so much talent on their roster that
they could string together a potential Rose Bowl run. And
so it would be very strange to see Arizona State
find some way if you know, Utah loses at some

(23:04):
point and they went out and they never have to
play any more games in the state of Utah. Uh,
if they end up running the table and go into
a Rose Bowl and then you have her Edwards say like,
I I accomplished everything I came here to accomplish, you know,
and and steps down. What's the next step if if
ray Anderson hasn't moved on as well, Because one thing
that I absolutely know for sure, Ray Anderson is not
going to fire her Edwards. It's just not gonna happen. So, uh,

(23:26):
that is an unanswerable question for me. I think that
a logic would would state that once everything comes out,
it's very possible, But I just can't see Ray Anderson
being the one to pull the trigger. So so I
think so so So, before we get into the rest
of the A issue stuff, with Is we were I

(23:47):
was asking do we think any other coaches would would
be any other job openings? We both think Arizona State
will be open, but when Washington fans want Washington to
be open, I don't think that's how upen in. I mean, like,
unless he loses all the rest of the games this year,
I don't think that he gets fired. I can't imagine

(24:11):
unless there's an off the field issue, that they're going
to fire Lake. I just can't. You don't. They won
the division last year. He took over in the middle
of a pandemic. They won the division. Say what you
will about last season. They were declared the North Division champs.
So basically, you're firing him on one season. That would
be unprecedented if there's nothing off the field, especially when

(24:32):
you're talking about God, what do you think about his
recruiting or lack thereof, because that for that last class
in this class don't be don't seem to be shaping
up to Washington standards, So they haven't recruited very well.
But I don't know that you can use that necessarily
as as a justification for getting rid of a coach

(24:55):
after one one bad season. I mean it's ultimately about
wins and losses. And you've got a coach who was
incredibly popular and successful and you know, contributed tremendously to
the success of your program for five or six years,
and then is an absolute no brainer, right, I mean,
imagine a scenario when Chris Peterson had stepped down, what

(25:17):
was it, December two? If they had said, no, we're
not gonna hire Jimmy, like we're gonna conduct the national search.
I mean, there would have been an outrage. So it
was a no brainer at the time. I just don't
see how they would would move on from him after
after one bad season. He does need to make some changes,
he does need help, but I think that, you know,
I can't see a scenario where they make a change

(25:40):
now other schools, right I would you know, I think
there's a chance that we're going to see guys move on,
you know, whether it's winning him retiring or just a
Wilcox moving on or Kristal Ball going somewhere. I mean,
I just think that there or Chip Kelly. What if
things don't go go great for U C l A.
His buyout goes down to zero in January. I think
there's a answer that beyond Rolovich and Helton, and if

(26:03):
we put her in a different category, there's a chance
that we want other change for any number of reasons.
What does Jake Dickard have to do to stick? Because
there the guys that have worked for Craig Bowl have
had a lot of success working elsewhere. UM, whether that's
UH climate at at Kansas State, UM, you got the

(26:24):
Michigan State defensive coordinator, Scotty Hazelton, UM, just people within
that system. I think the defensive coordinator for Nevada, and
I know that Jane Orvell UH, that whole staff is
rumored to be up for whatever opening comes. But Jake
Dickert is another one of those guys that worked for
Craig Bowl at Wyoming. UM seems to seems to be
getting the best out of his team defensively, but they've

(26:46):
kind of needed something, whether it's the run and shoot
or the spread in order to keep up UM it.
Could you see Washington State retaining a defensive minded head
coach for the long term. I don't know. I'm not
I'm not sure. I think that that's a different situation
somewhat because they're not looking for a necessary culture change

(27:07):
in the locker room, right, I mean, that's that wasn't
the problem. That's not the reason. There's an opening. So
if you think continuity, uh is the is is really
the priority, then maybe you do. If they especially if
they win, you know, if they beat the Huskies, there'll
be a lot of support for them. I don't know.
I mean, George, don't you think that the culture in

(27:28):
the locker room has got to be a big calculation
from Washington State? Yeah? Yeah, if if he can get
them to a bowl game and then and one of
those wins be against Washington, he's gonna have a pretty
good case, like at least to have a real shot
at the job. Because Leech didn't beat Washington. So you know,

(27:52):
if they if they feel like, oh, we have a
coach that can beat Washington, then now you believe that
you have a coach that can win you, that can
develop potentially developed talent, and maybe even you know, have
you know, do kind of what Matt Campbell is doing
at Iowa State, which is you win six seven games

(28:12):
at first, and then you'll you'll have an outlier ten
win season and then maybe you come back down to
nine or eight and then a couple of years and
then stay there and then you go up to ten
again Levin get a New Year's Six Bowl game. I
think that that's what the goal has to be at
Washington State. I don't think that you try that your
goal is, Oh, we're gonna turn Washington State into a

(28:36):
national powerhouse, national championship team. I think that you have
to build them into, you know, like waiting on those
years where you have the right talent, the right quarterback,
the right everything, to where now you can win the
back twelve and get to a New Year's Six Bowl game.
It is interesting though, philosophically, like Washington State is probably

(28:59):
better off being different, right, but you know, whether it's
the air raid or the running shoot, they probably are
better off not not playing systems that rely heavily on
recruiting four and five star linemen. You know, there's no
doubt about that. I mean, I think being different is
good and for them very very much. So that was
part of the reason the high roll of it. So

(29:20):
you know, if there's somebody else out there that's an
air raid guy that has got proven track record, probably
look at him. We're running shoot guy. Yeah. I like
the running shoot better than I like the air raid.
I've been pretty vocal about how much I hate the
air rate, but I don't mind it at Washington State

(29:42):
because I think that you're dealing with that when you
go up against teams like Oregon or USC or even
U c l A. Well, whoever has more talent than
than you do. I think that you need something that's
a little bit different than what they normally see, like
like if like if they chose to run the triple option,

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I'd be fine with that too, because now it puts
you in in a position where other people aren't seeing
what you're doing regularly, So now you have a chance
to win every single game because it's something that's a
little bit more unexpected. Well, speaking of the air raid,
what do you think cal Fans are going through right now?
Seeing sunny Dikes be a hot name in coaching circles again,

(30:24):
get linked to Texas Tech things like that. While they
over the last I think they're going on the fifth
year of potentially dropping in their overall scoring average per game.
But is correct, That is correct. They went from the
polar opposite. They went from the worst defense in America
but being able to score a lot of points to

(30:45):
not being able to score in a pretty good defense.
My worries the trend though, because they're the offensive output
per game just keeps creeping down and down and down.
And now you see all these people in Lobbi excited
about Sunny Dikes. I just wonder what it is Cal
fans are going through right now. I don't know that
Cal fans are remorseful about that. I think a lot

(31:08):
of people didn't think Sunny Dikes was the right higher
from the get go at Cal right. I mean, Cal,
you know you want to mesh your your coaches philosophy
with your recruiting pool, right, which is why USC should
want to coach who plays a pro style, right because
they can get the aligneman. Um, Cal can get a
lineman and quarterbacks uh and and tight ends and fullbacks.

(31:32):
They could play a more traditional style that was what
they had successful success with under Jeff Hedford. Um. I
don't know that the the air raid is not a
good system for for Cal. Right. The receivers are you know,
too much reliance on on speed. I think, uh, nobody's
regretting having Dikes gone. I think that there's some people

(31:55):
who are regretting hiring Musgrave as the offensive coordinator there's
no doubt about that. And we can do an entire
show on staff hires, decisions pactwell teams have made with
coordinators and with assistant coaches and how that whole thing
is played out. But to me, that why why do

(32:16):
you think though that that that's been a problem. Is
that is that the coordinators haven't had the type of
success in the Pact twelve at some stops that you
would have expected, and some of the hires have not
been you know what, whether it's as splashy or whatever.

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It's almost like some of the coaches don't know what
they're looking for. And I and it's just confusing to
me because I'm saying, okay, like what do you like?
Coordinators have a history of what they do. And then
I think sometimes head coaches they get to want to
tinker and say, no, I want I hired this nator,

(33:00):
but I want him to play this style of ball,
and that's not his style of ball. Like you have
to hire a guy who and who's been successful and
then let him do his job. Well, how do we
explain Colorado with Darren Shiverini having three different bosses and
retaining parts of the same role over time? There's continuity there,
but the performance has has dipped. I know they've got

(33:22):
a freshman quarterback or whatever, but it just seems like
there's a conference wide issue with being able to score points. Yeah,
oh there is. I mean, but look at what happened
in Colorado just just fired their offensive line coach. He
was hired he was coaching high schools, right, He had
never been a Power five assistant coach and he was
coaching high schools when Colorado hired him. Now I know, Darrell,

(33:44):
you know, but he was hired in late February, right
before the pandemic, scrambling to put his staff together. But
you know, that's that's an example where you think, uh,
you know, they're not clearing the bar. Look, I mean,
Washington's offensive coordinator, obvious lee uh, fired by the Penn
State kind of bouncing around what Jacksonville's organization is an

(34:07):
assistant uh, an offensive analyst. I mean, there's a lot
of cases where you just look at the resume and
you think, boy, I'm not sure that that that person
is up to it, and stop trying to shopping the
scratching damp man like I and and that, and and
that's not to say that these people can't be good
good coaches. But there's an element of you don't have

(34:31):
to go by the most expensive thing in the store
for it to be really good or the best thing.
But bargain shopping deadn't always get you the best thing.
So so I think that there's a somewhere in the
middle where the actual answer is is it a bargain
problem or is it a budget problem? Because Colorado lost

(34:52):
Mail Tucker to UH staff resources, right, nobody in the
Pact twelve is going to be able to match almost
eight million dollars a year just for you or staff
not even for you, right, And so I mean, are
people looking to get a discount or is this just
a matter of what the PAC twelve has as far
as what's in its coffers right now? Because obviously Jed Fish,

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you know, Arizona really thought they got their guy, but
it's also sort of a discount higher now Arizona fans
have to watch rich Rod at University of Louisiana Monroe
with his backup quarterback beat liberty and cover like the
largest spread in the history of of of Division one football,
and that, you know, that's just something that while Arizona
fans haven't won a game, and you know, they haven't

(35:35):
watched their team in a game in two years, right,
And it's it makes me wonder because you said, you know,
at a discount, George, But is it? Is it a
discount for these Pact twelve teams. Are they spending the
money that they have to spend? I mean, I think
it's two things. One is, they certainly don't have the
same amount of revenue coming in as big ten SEC schools, right,

(35:56):
they just don't, uh, for a bunch of reasons. But
I also think you know, there has been a culture
in the Pact twelve for years about not participating in
the arms race, and several presidents Arizona States Michael Crow
for one, have you know, talk publicly about being proud

(36:17):
of the fact that the Pack twelve does not get
involved in the arms race and get down and dirty
and spend all this money like it's a source of
pride for them. And but there is certainly something to
be said for you get what you pay for, there's
no doubt. All right, Now, onto the games from last week,
and we'll go through these quickly. It started out on

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Friday night, uh if, dude, Washington beat Arizona twenty one
to sixteen, and it took a last minute effort. I
was watching that game when they were down what zero
at halftime, and then it was sixteen to seven, and
if it weren't for a ridiculous interception on that that

(37:03):
screen pass, I don't think that Washington gets the momentum
to win that football game. I don't. I honestly, I
don't know what Washington needs to do. You know, there
were doubts about John Donovan heading into that game, and

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then when they fall down thirteen to nothing and George
is blowing up my phone. So that's how I knew.
I knew what the score was because I missed about
five calls in five minutes. Um. I think not being
able to get more than two and a half yards
to carry with Shawn McGrew, and I know that that
wildcat package and everything else against Arizona's defense, when the
truth is it's probably only about four players on Arizona's

(37:46):
defense that should even be getting any reps at a
power power five level. You know, they got that six
six three thirty d tackle, Anthony Pandy, Jalen Harris and
maybe Chris Roland Wallace and other than that, everybody else
needs time, They need some seasoning, they need to get better,
They need to be the weight room for a while.
And to not be able to run the ball on
that defense, I don't have an answer for that. That is,

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you just look at these two rosters. People were talking
about Washington being the best offensive line in the country,
in the country, and they can't go down to Tucson
get more than two and a half yards of carry.
So I don't know, I honestly don't. Uh. The fact
that they pulled it out is just I guess that's
why you play four quarters. Ultimately, over time, talent wins out.
We see it again and again and again. But should

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it have Did they deserve that? I don't know. I mean,
they're there. It's not very sophisticated, right, you don't need
to be a coach. Just watch Washington and they just
they're easy to I guess the best way to put is,
they make it very easy to defend them with what
they do on offense. UM, with the run game schemes, uh,

(38:49):
with you know, the personnel, all that stuff. They are
easy to defend every because everybody's done it right, including Montana. UM.
But so What were you thinking when when you were
watching that game, John, I was. I was saying to myself,
I wonder how Arizona is going to find a way
to blow this yep, because you know, I mean there's right,

(39:09):
you've got to learn how to win. And when you
when you got a quarterback who's basically your third stringer.
Not that their second stringer was very good Gunner Cruise,
but you kind of just knew if if there's any
way Arizona any mistake, it was good. And as soon
as they through that through that peak, I was like
games over because they don't have the resolve to deal

(39:32):
with a setback or shifting momentum. Right, I mean consider
that the opposite is Oregon, right, I mean Oregon, U
cel it comes out and hits him in the mouth
with what to two straight touchdowns. In Oregon, you know
they don't flinch, right, That's the opposite of Arizona. I
feel bad for Jeff Fish at this point because I
think he's doing all the right things. He just he

(39:55):
doesn't have a quarterback period. I think that this week
we're going to see a lot did Jamari Joyner at
quarterback like that that they may go full Wildcat something
because their quarterback situation situation right right now with Will
Plumber is just it's just not tenable right now. Yeah,
I did a little check, and I think that they

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are the first team in certainly in the twelve pack
twelve era to lose their top two quarterbacks the season
ending injuries. It happened to U C l A and
Oregon both like in the late two thousand's, um U
c l ended up having to play a whole season
with like Kevin Kraft because their top two quarterbacks got
hurt before the season even started. Uh. And then it

(40:39):
happened to the Ducks in what oh seven with Dennis
Stixon got hurt and then I believe Brady Leaf also
got hurt. Yeah, that was a disaster. That was a disaster.
So but it's rare. So here You've got a coach,
new coach, got overhauls roster, very little talent, and he's
down to a searching quarterback. Is a tough situation. I'm

(41:00):
all in it for the Jamari Joiner show. Though yards
fourteen hundred yeards rushing in uh In in high school,
he was he was just a super athlete back there,
and if for nothing else, you might have somebody with
the ability to break a play. I worry about the
health of his feet because he missed a lot of
time to injury. But if they do put him out there,

(41:20):
they might accidentally score an A D R touchdown. And
I think that's what this team needs right now. Well,
they're gonna need about ten touchdowns. And oh yeah, there's
no way that this game is even close, even with
the way USC makes themselves easy to defend. Yeah, Drake,
you know he will outscore Arizona. Yes, individually, I just

(41:42):
thought that Jimmy Lake was a little bit too happy
after after the win. I couldn't understand. I was like,
you should not be walking. There should be no smiles
after this game. This should this should be like, thank
god we escaped. Let's let's fix it, because like it was,
he was a little too Yeah, you know, we gotta

(42:04):
watch the film. It's you know, but it's good to win,
you know, good, good, good feeling, great job. The guy's
great resolve. And I'm just like he's got no sense
of urgency and that that would concern me if I
were a Washington question. Alright, the next game up, we
had the early game, which was the Oregon U c

(42:24):
L A game. I was in attendance for this, for
this game, and this game was like a tale of
different parts of the game because Anthony Brown, Oregon's quarterback,
who has been much maligned by Oregon fans, he actually
had you and you, yeah, and you he has been

(42:47):
but but I have changed my tune. Um. This was
his best game aside from the very end of the game.
Those those two passes at the end of the game,
one of them wasn't so much his fault as the
other one. But but I actually liked what I saw
from Oregon after getting the after getting the pump block,

(43:07):
falling falling down fourteen there, defensive coordinator Tim de Reuter
did a great job getting them back in the game.
Offense actually looked really good for the first time in
a while. And then you have the turnovers at the
end of the game, which gave U c L a
more life when the game should have been over. I

(43:28):
want to I do want to give kudos to Anthony
Brown for in his thirty seven college games starting to
figure it out. He did have a really really good
third quarter. He helped him pull away. He's the reason
they want That's that's the that's the biggest compliment that
I can pay him. He they went into the game
College game, they talked a lot about and Mario christ

(43:48):
Baul talked a lot about how bad he's been in
third quarters and how good he's been in fourth quarters.
He transposed that and they still managed to escape, but
they don't win without his effort. Um, this is the
best I've seen Oregon's Seaver's play. Uh, this is the
most bizarre stat line I've ever seen for a running back. UM.
That was. That was a lot of fun to watch
because George and I argue a lot over Travis Dye

(44:12):
and whether he's a feature back, and I think he
either proved us both wrong or both right at the
same time. Um, in this game. But I think that
it was Uh, it was Oregon's defensive resolve that impressed
me the most, that allowed them to go on a
thirty four to three run after falling down fourteen to nothing. Yeah,
that absolutely are u c l A two. They've been
picked apart of the Rose Bowl, right, Jane Daniels picked

(44:34):
him apart, Jake Hanner picked him apart. I don't understand
their their their past defense, their secondary should be better.
Than it is. Yes, they play soft. I don't understand it. God, John,
you hit the nail on the head. Like they just
give stuff up. They're like here, here, take these five
yard hitches. Like they don't make anything difficult on you. Um. Now,

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the other thing real quick, the one thing I wanted
to mention with orient I think you could draw a
direct line between Anthony Brown's performance and Joe moorehead been
in the booth and having a full week of normal coaching.
I think there is such a He is so important
to that whole operation. And you know you could tell
that Stanford game they were out of sync. He wasn't there.

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I think that that's that's something that needs to be mentioned,
is more heads him And I saw him after the game.
He was hurting, dude was yeah, yeah he was. He
was hurting after the game. I saw him in the
locker room. It was yeah. He was like like, I said, man,
I says good that you're feeling feeling better. He was like, man,
he's that brother, I'm hurting right now. Man. Um, you

(45:43):
had usc go fight for the Golden chalele in in
Notre Dame Stadium and just get absolutely beat up. Thirty
one to sixteen. I thought, with the problems that Notre
Dame had been having at quarterbacks, shuffling quarterbacks around a
little bit inconsistent play, I thought USC would play better.

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I didn't think that they would win, but I thought
they would play better. John, I just I don't even
know what I'm looking at, dude. They're soft upfront, right
and I and Slovis is not that they got one
man there, one man team. I don't know that they
should be, but that's what's happened to them on offensive.
They'd become a one man team. I think that they

(46:27):
got no chance to get this thing turned around this
year unless Jackson Dark plays. Do you do you think
that they will If if Jackson Dark, who they said
wasn't cleared last last week, if he's cleared this week,
do they start him? I don't, you know, I don't start. Well,
they should, I don't know that they will. Kind of
depends on how much practice is he able to get in, right.

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I mean, there's a certain point during the week that
you probably can't start him if he's not out there.
But you know, I just don't think Slovis Is he
doesn't have it. Two years ago was his best year.
He didn't have it. Yeah, he lost his fastball. Well.
One of the things about Slovis though, is he he
always had a little bit of trouble early on in
the games, and he's just not He's not recovering the

(47:12):
way that he used to. And it's interesting because the
thing that Jackson Dart ads is just that trust that
his receivers are gonna get it done. I don't understand
why Keaton Slovis can't translate that same trust he has
for Drake London over to Taj Washington over to some
of the other, uh, the other receivers. He's staring people down. Yeah,
Gary Bryan Jr. That one of the thing about USC

(47:33):
that Alwa was cracks me up because this game I
had to go back and watch the replay, but I'm
tracking it on my phone and I'm looking at the stats,
and it reminds me a lot of if if you're
ever checking up on Angels games, right, you see like oh,
show hey Otani hit two home runs and and Mike
Trout hit for the cycle, and then you checked the
final score and it's like, oh, Angels lost four to eleven. Right,
Like I was looking at I was like Keaton Slowis

(47:54):
has completed seventy of his passes. Keanta Ingram's already over
a hundred yards rushing, Drake Lennon's playing. Really they have
seven points? Like I just I don't get it. There's
something wrong with this team in Graham Harrold maybe the
right guy for Oregon, for Washington State though, and I'm

(48:14):
like what, I'm like, man, he's not the right guy
to be calling an offense right right now. In fact, well,
um uh you you had cal beat Colorado twenty six
to three. This was a kind of typical Colorado game
that we've seen this this year. Brandan Lewis went back

(48:36):
under a hundred yards. I John, make make me understand
because you've been covering this conference for a long time.
The Colorado has now played seven games, and in I
believe five of those games, Brendan Lewis has been under
five hundred I'm sorry, under one hundred yards. It was

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only their first game in a season against an FCS opponent,
and then Arizona the only over a hundred yards passing.
How John, How it's inexplicable, George, There's there's it's unprecedented,
inexplicable and inec whatever you whatever ends you can think
of INDs and ends unprecedented, right, I don't know. It

(49:22):
shouldn't be like that, right, It's not like they've got
the talent is not very good. The offensive line is
not very good. They've got a couple of receivers that
can make place. They got they should be able to
run the ball. If you can run the ball, you
should you should be able to throw the ball, right,
you play complimentary football. I don't understand they had a
hundred and four yards of total offense against cow Well.
But what's crazy is that's not even the worst of

(49:43):
the year, right, I mean Minnesota they were like at sixty.
So it is I think that they statistically, I think
Arizona is worse than them on a couple of key metrics.
But I think Colorado has got it's the worst offen
I've ever seen. Offense is is Kansas City compared to

(50:07):
compared to Colorado? And you probably the wildest thing about
this Colorado offense is every once in a while you'll
see a flash that Brendan Lewis could maybe be something someday.
I know for a fact, Montanelimonious Craig is a very
good football player. I know Brendan Rice is a future star,
and they have two running backs that are proven talents.

(50:27):
They're proven, and this offense is still doing nothing. But
what I want to talk about is, yeah, it was
a typical Colorado game, but there's nothing more typical than
what Cal did offensively. Four and thirty eight yards of offense,
zero turnovers, two touchdowns. That is Cal in a nutshell.
They move the ball, they protect the ball, and they

(50:49):
do not score. Why can't this team finish? I don't
I don't understand that at all. This is a just
looking at the stats with Cal every single week, it's like, oh,
they moved the ball really well and didn't get it
into the end zone. I don't have an explanation for that.

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And then Cal is lucky that it had Colorado this week,
or else it it might have found itself. I mean,
what would people we talk We were talking about last year,
so we had a lot more Cal listeners than usual
because they were expanding, expecting a nine to ten win season.
They have most of their games taken away from them,
and then they come into this year Chase Garbage is
supposed to lead the way. They lose an offensive lineman,

(51:31):
the medical retirement, Brett Johnson gets hit by a car,
and then they might win three or four games this year,
and I feel terrible for them. But the idea that
it's not enough to maybe make a make a change
at the top is is is interesting to me. It's
like they're because that would assume that they're not meeting expectations.
But people have kind of just resolved to the fact

(51:52):
that cal is going to underperform, and that's the way
it is. Yeah, I don't know what I mean. I've
watched them a couple of times and thought, why aren't
they running the ball more? They run the ball and
they succeed, and then they stopped running the ball like
the Oregon The end of the Oregon game was a
great example. They were getting eight yards on that last

(52:13):
drive and then they get down there with the fourteen
and it's just pass past pass. Uh Nevada. Same same
thing happened with them in Nevada. I don't I don't
quite know what to make of them, all right, uh
B y U Washington State. This was Washington State's first
game without Nick Rolovich. They didn't score very well. Jaden

(52:35):
Dolora had probably his worst game of the year, didn't
throw a touchdown pass, they allowed b YU to rush
for over two hundred yards and Augier all by itself
one ninety one and two two touchdowns. Do do you
do you think that that this would have been a
different result had um, had Nick Rolovich been in coaching

(53:00):
And why is b y U four and O and impact? Well,
oh my god, I said so. I mean it's one
of the great subplots of the season, right, I mean, uh,
b y U. Twitter is just out of control, right,
they want that, they want that South Division trophy. Um,
maybe they should get it. They got one more game,

(53:23):
one more game, right, I know, I know, you know,
I think that it's understandable. Washington State had trouble moving
the ball. You you look at what they did against
the Beavers at home and again Stanford at home, and
they were rolling and then they lose their offensive line coach,
their QBS coach, their head coach. Uh, and all of
a sudden, you know, they struggle a little bit. So

(53:44):
that's I think that's kind of understandable. Yeah, and dude,
they still have one more game left hoos it against
against US. Yeah, the last game of the season. Oh, man, dude,
if they go five and oh and in fact, well,
oh my god, that would be absolutely embarrassing. Um can
I just can I I just want to say real quick,

(54:06):
I am sick of Tyler Algier. I'm sick of that man.
I do not want to see him anymore. We'll have
fun in the big Oh my gosh. Um Utah Oregon State. Uh,
this game went took a left turn at halftime, just
like the US, just like Utah's game did last week

(54:29):
against a s U, except for not in their favor. Uh.
Utah was up twenty four to fourteen at halftime, looked
to be in firm control. And then at halftime Oregon
State was like, listen, uh, forget everything else that we
were doing. We were going to run the football all
over you. Forty one carries to sixty and three touchdowns. What.

(54:54):
I can't make anything. I can't make sense of anything
that I see in the Pact twelve as far as
except for I know Oregon State can run the ball
on anybody. But if you get them in third but
if you force Chance Nolan to to throw the ball
in third and long situations, that's the only way to
beat Oregon State. I don't remember the last time U

(55:18):
talk gave up two hundred and fifty plus yards on
the ground in the conference game. I mean, that's just crazy.
I think it was the Pack twelve championship when when
when they played Oregon like two years ago, Like that's
the only time I can like that was bad too,
but like this was really bad because it was just
because at least in that game Oregon had some big runs.

(55:41):
This one was just just run you over six, seven,
eight yards at a time. Yep, it was crazy. I
never would have thought that would happen. I think it
Actually it feels worse than it is because they're only
giving up four point one yards to carry um, which
is kind of you know, it's definitely you know two

(56:02):
years ago that that was down to three point one,
so you know, cent increase is definitely gonna feel like
a whole lot. But it really feels like right now
you can get what you want in the trenches against Utah,
and I that's definitely a new thing for me as well.
George and John. My question for you guys, uh, much
like the earlier Heisman discussion, is let's say that USC

(56:27):
goes six and six and Drake Lennon continues to to
go at the torrid pace that he's going. Um, but
Oregon State doesn't lose again and b J. Baylor is
up at fifteen yards rushing, averaging seven eight yards to carry.
Does Drake Lennon even win packed told Player of the Year?

(56:47):
Mm hmmm, Uh he may not. He may not. I
think I think there'd be. I think that there would
be some support for for Baylor, absolutely, man. And I
think it's also you know, you gotta It's also there's kids.
Just count the politics, and I think there's a lot
of coaches that would be very eager to vote for

(57:09):
somebody from Oregon State. See. Um, now onto our pack
twelve power rankings. John, this is your first time here,
so we give our twelve through seven and then our
one through six. Um, Ralph, I will let you go first. Okay, Well,
I think we all know who's at the bottom, so

(57:30):
we can just should we just skip that part? I mean,
obviously I've got I've got Arizona at the bottom, um,
and then uh, Colorado Cal after them, Washington USC at
eight and Stanford at seven, and I have the exact
same twelve through seven, the exact same twelve twelve, twelve

(57:54):
through seven, how about you, John, Uh yeah, Arizona, Colorado,
uh al, Washington USC yeeks and then yeah and then
six through one, Ralph they this was very close. Ours
is very similar. Uh yeah. So this makes no sense
and I'm not going to apologize for it because I've

(58:15):
I've done enough of that and I know that everybody
short on time here. So I have U c l
A at six, Washington State at five, Arizona State at four,
Utah at three, Oregon State at two, three spots ahead
of the Washington State team that beat them last week,
and Oregon at number one. And I have Washington State

(58:35):
at six, u c l A at five, Arizona State
at four, Utah at three, Oregon State at two, in
Oregon at one. Yeah, I got the same order right there.
It's I mean, it's tough every week. There's a new
number two every week, or it seems like, right it's Utah,
it's u c l A, it's Oregon State. That's that

(58:55):
seems to be the trend here is who is the
second best team in this comp It's number two plays
like number two. That's the trap, all right, before we
finish up today quickly, um, John Will will go through
the games and and the spread and we and we
picked the games. So we'll start with Colorado at Oregon

(59:20):
Oregon's favorite by twenty one points over under forty nine.
Who you got? I would like Colorado gets a spread.
Oregon is played down to their competition. I think they'll
have trouble covering. Um. I have Oregon and the and
the over. I think that this game is the first
one that they, you know, show up and show out

(59:41):
because they want to make a statement. So I got them.
This is the first time I'm taking Oregon as a
favorite all year. Um. So hopefully they don't do to
me what they've been doing to you, George, And I'll
take the over as well. All right. The next game
Arizona at USC, USC's favorite by twenty one points over

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under fifty six and a half. Where do you stay in, John,
I mean to USC has played terrible at home, but
Arizona is terrible. I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna pick Drake.
I'm going with Drake. I'll take the I'll give the
twenty one that he's gonna win all by himself. I

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got USC minus twenty one and a half. And I'm
gonna take the over at fifty six and a half. Yeah,
I think John talked me into it. I'm talking about
Drake London. So I'll take USC in the under, all right,
U c l A. Utah. Utah is favorite by six
and a half points over under sixty and a half.

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Where you at, John, I think it's gonna be high scoring.
I think both teams are gonna be able to move
the ball. Sixty one and I go, I go over. Uh,
and I probably think it's gonna be close. Uh. What
I thought I knew about Utah, I'm not sure I know.
So I'm taking the Bruins and over. I got the Bruins.

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Even if Ethan Garber's ends up starting, I think he'll
show up. But I got the under. I think that
that that this game is gonna end up running a
little bit, and and U c l A can stop
to run. There will be more punts than we probably think.
So that's where I'm at. This is the I've done
really really well this year picking just unders in every

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Pack twelve game. This is the one time I feel differently.
I'm going to John, I'm taking the over, and just
to be different with no reason In particular, I'll take
Utah minus six and a half. Oh you loser? Um?
All right, we got Washington State at Arizona State. John,
we thought this line was bizarre. Minus fifteen for Arizona

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State and over under fifty two. Where do you stand? I? Uh,
you know, I like the home team coming off of
by against the road team that has had a very
emotional two weeks, So I kind of like the sun
Devils and uh, definitely the over. All. Right, I got
the over, except for I got the Washington State Cougars.

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I don't think that they're gonna win this football game,
but this line feels so out of whack to me
that I am going to pound this line. Ralph. It's
snowbird season, so that means you might have some road fans,
and we know how Arizona State reacts to crowd noise.
So I'm gonna go ahead and take a plus fifteen
and a half. I do think a s but I'll

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go at the over fifty three. Alright, Uh, Oregon State
at cow Oregon State's only a point and a half
favorite in this game. Over under fifty five? Where you at?
Where are you at? John? I'm at the under close school, close,
low scoring. Uh, you know they played. I think the

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last two games have both been three point games. Organsta,
it's one of each by three. I think the Beavers
will win. So I'll take the Beavers with that narrow line. Yeah,
I got the Beavers and the under. You Ralph, this
line feels like the biggest trap of the weekend. But
I'm falling forward Oregon State, uh with the one and
a half, and I'll I'll take I'll take the over

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just because I again trying to trying to be different,
trying to catch up to you, George. Alright, final game
Washington at Stanford, Stanford favorite by two points over under
forty eight. Where you at John Stanford. You know Washington
never plays well at Stanford and uh uh, Stanford's coming
off again coming off of bye, right, I mean they

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needed it. Uh. I think that this late in the
season that rest is important. I got, I got Stanford,
I'll take, but I'll take the under. Yeah, I got
Stanford and the Stanford and the under as well. I
love Stanford coming off of bye. I just want to
know why they don't do the same thing coming off
an entire off season. So I'll take Stanford in the

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under good question. Well you guys, this has been the
Pact Twelve Apostles with John Wilner. John, thanks for coming
with us today, man, thanks for having me. Guys. This
was great all right, peace out, catch you guys later.