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November 13, 2021 • 49 mins

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LaVar Arrington and TJ Houshmandzadeh break down the news of Jon Gruden suing the NFL and Roger Goodell. The guys react to Cam Newton returning to Carolina, and explain why the Patriots would have been better off keeping the QB this year. The guys pick the biggest games of Week 10 with Jake Gallie in Up On Game or Down On Game, and Joy Taylor stops by to put a cap on the show!

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National Football League saying he he he was forced out.
The league put the Raiders and in the buying backed

(02:32):
him in the corner and said you better get rid
of him or more will come. That's basically what he's saying,
you sue the National Football League, you better be ready
for a battle of fight. They don't lose very many
lawsuit They soon The NFL is like almost having a

(02:57):
case against When the fans bring a case against you,
it's they're gonna win. Yeah, But here's the problem with that.
This is a very very this is a very very
highly scrutinized topic that that has played out, and there
are a lot of there are a lot of holes
and how all of this happened. I mean, there's still

(03:19):
not filled in. You'd have to assume John Gruden is
looking at what his contract reads and what he would
make had he not been in this situation, and he's
gonna want at least that. He's gonna want at least that,
and then you know what else he's gonna want. He's
gonna he's gonna want more because he's gonna want He's

(03:42):
gonna want more for the damages in the sense that
he's not ever going to be able to coach a
team ever. Again, that's gonna happen as well. So you
gotta assume. And I'm a big proponent for the NFL,
like I'm a supporter of of Troy events. And I'm
a supporter of Roger Goodell. I'm a supporter of of
the League. You know. It's It's obviously UM played a

(04:03):
major part in what I've been able to accomplish in
in my life because I was able to work for
that that that company. So but with that being said,
right is right is and wrong is wrong, and you
gotta always measure out what right is and what wrong is.
And in this scenario, for as wrong as John Gruten
was and the things that he was saying and he
was writing, it's wrong that that's the only thing that

(04:25):
came out emails, You've gotta be kidding me. That's gotta
I mean to me, this has got to be one
of the easiest open clothes shut done uh conversations in
terms of a settlement that you you will ever hereof.
I don't think this will ever make it to a
a courtroom because if it does make it to the courtroom,

(04:48):
then now what does that mean in terms of the
information in those emails and and how they were ascertained,
how how how many other damning things are in there.
I know that a lot of the things were looked
at directly regarding John Gruden. But how does John Gruden

(05:08):
have those conversations? Where are the other side sides of
these conversations. Disclose all of the people that are connected
to these conversations, because in the end, if you do
a deposition, that's the only way you're gonna have a
true idea as to why you would do the things
that you did, how they came about, who released them.

(05:29):
Even if the NFL is protecting Dan Snyder, say Dan
Snyder did this for sub diffuge. Even if that's the case,
the NFL has to protect its its owners. You know,
the owners own the organizations the NFL runs it there
that they're the nonprofit, they're the ones that give back,
they governed. There's a lot of things that you know.
The NFL is the mothership of of of the league

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and of the teams. So this is one of those ones.
T J. I got to tell you, man, they've matter settle.
I don't. I don't think it's about the NFL losing.
I think it's it's about how much are they going
to be willing to pay John Gruden? Because you had
to have known lawsuits we're gonna be coming from John Gruden,

(06:12):
just the way things happen. John Gruden is basically saying,
I know I will never coaching the National Football League again,
and so I'm going out in a blaze of glory.
He he knows this is it for him. His times
as as a coach in the National Football League are over.
He will never be considered, he will never be hired.

(06:36):
With that being said, this is a day probably college possible,
as high school is what like there's he won't coach
at a college or professional level, maybe high school, but
would he do it maybe? But it also it also
alters his ability to make a living from here on out.
And just because he's made enough money where he's fine,

(06:58):
he's fine, but not gonna have you made enough money
to make You've never made enough money. At the end
of the day, you're not gonna prevent me from being
able to make money. And this this is the thing though,
it's what you said is right, because David Goliath, that
doesn't matter. When you sue the league, those emails will

(07:22):
now have to be made public to his attorneys. So
the same way you leaked my emails, I can leak
a whole lot more. I can leak them. And so
that's why I foresee a settlement because they don't want
those emails to come and they this ain't just about Washington.
How many other coaches in different conversations may have taken

(07:46):
place by email or voicemails or text messaging. There's a
reason when you get certain people in Congress saying those
emails want to because somebody's connected to the looking at them,
like if y'all don't shut your asset, but stop, but
stop and think. There may be Congress people that are

(08:07):
involved in those emails. It's quite possible, right like those
emails would not see the light of day, the same
the same way that the Patriots all evidence were destroyed.
Nobody has enough. That's a big enough but it's in.
It's in. It's in legal possession now though, and they're
they're for sure going to settle with Gruten. They're gonna

(08:31):
have to. They're gonna settle with group because he's a
big enough he has enough information to whistle blow to
a level. That's crazy is when you sit back and
think about it, we don't know that what did John
Gruten do that the league wanted him out? What did
he do? And why would you do it this way?
Why would you put your They had these emails for

(08:52):
a long time. They knew exactly what was that that
was saying. That's why it's exactly what was released. Why
did they do it in the middle of the season.
Could have done it in the off season, could have
done it in the summer. They could have did before
the season. You do it in the middle of the season.
Why you do that if something has something else happening?

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What did John Gruden? Who did he piss off? Like?
What did you do to where they were like, we
gotta get him up out of here immediately. Whatever it is,
I can't feel I can't seem to wrap my head
around it being legitimized to do it this way. I
think it's messy. I think it has the potential to

(09:33):
get way more messy. I mean, we're looking at what's
going on with this Phoenix Sun's owner. He's gonna basically
in essence, get forced out. He's going to get forced
out ownership. Now NBA is different from the NFL, But
what what happens if that that Pandora's boxes open where
now NFL owners are not are not uh, you know,

(09:56):
involved with with the problemat position or probability losing your
team over. You see the report of goodell salary the
last two years, right, Brod. You see that Goodell gonna
navigate through this like a shark and water road, no problem.
But how do you navigate this without settling. You're going
to have to settle this, and that non disclosure is
going to have to be ironclad, airtight, because in the end,

(10:20):
this isn't about Goodell. This is about the owners. Goodell
is going to be fine being insulated by what they're
going to do for the simple fact that if Goodell
goes down, then there are a lot more dominoes that
are going to fall as applies to people that are
cupable for that's gown. They're gonna settle. That's why John

(10:41):
Gruten isn't going to go down. John Gruten's gone down,
is already down, like that's that's done. But now they're
going to have to make They're gonna have to make
do with John Gruten's demands in order for him to
to go under this disclosure, this nondisclosure, and and move
on from it. Because this this is this what I
can't even imagine the messages and and the interactions John

(11:06):
group other people on the fact that Bruce Allen and
Jeff Pass had his dialogue going on, what's on those emails? Yeah,
but what about the other communications that John Gruten has
had with other coaches and other owners. See he ain't

(11:26):
see C Sjoneider and and and uh, what's dude's name?
What's what's the what's the guy he was communicating with
Bruce Bruce Allen though you're talking about, he's having those
conversations and building relationships with other gms, with other owners.
So what I'm saying to you is if this man

(11:49):
is threatening to introduce more authentic situations of of because
he's already burned. He's already burnt. So this ain't gonna
hurt him them, No, it's gonna it'll indict hell me
basically have already assassinated my character. I can I do so.
So they're gonna have to settle because they don't want

(12:11):
all this dirty laundry to be out in the public.
They don't want that. Well, you know what happens when
you have dirty laundry, You throw it in the back
of your ram Dodge truck. I'll tell you that, I'm
I'm gonna throw that dirty laundry in there, and I'm
gonna dravit um somewhere and I don't know if it's
to to the police station, to the district attorney's office
or or somewhere else, but give me my cut, John,
all right, here we go. Uh. And it is that

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Cam Newton is back in the National Football League. What

(17:40):
are your thoughts? How do you see his second for
It's kind of crazy his wife divorced him when got
a fiance and realized I kind of want you back.
Carolina Panthers they bring him back. How do you see
this going? What are your thoughts? I think it opens

(18:02):
up the conversation for him to be able to get
gets back on track to some degree. Like I don't.
I don't think you use this moment in time to
try to get it all. I think you used this
moment in time to get small wins. And I was
just saying this yesterday on Undisputed. I think that if
I'm Cam Newton, I look at it and if I'm

(18:24):
the Carolina Paths, you're one game back, like you got
a four. You got four wins. Uh, the lead has
five wins in your division, You're only one game behind,
and it could be two in terms of divisional but
still record wise, overall record, you're only one win away
from the top team in your division. That's one thing.

(18:48):
So if I'm Cam Newton, I'm coming in, I'm saying, look,
I'm gonna I'm gonna take it one thing out of time.
I'm gonna take a one meeting, one dope meeting at
a time. Was this a dope meeting that I learned
what I needed to learn? Am I up to speed
on what it is I need to be up to
speed on. I'm gonna take it one practice at a time.
I'm gonna take a one handshake at a time. I'm
gonna take it. You know, I had a boy one

(19:09):
at a time. I'm gonna get to the game. It's
gonna be one play at a time. I think if
he can get enough small winds and enough small victories,
then now he can leverage the rest of this season
to actually put himself in a position where they don't
have to call him washed, they don't have to say
I you know, it's so funny we choose who we

(19:30):
want to choose to say the age thing matters. Oh,
he's too old, he doesn't have enough left he he
doesn't have the legs to do it. We'll be so
he has the opportunity to change that. He has the
opportunity to do some things that to me, he can
now open up the conversation as to much. Rather this

(19:52):
situation represent Cam being looked at as he revived his
his his his career versus he talked about reviving his career.
People talked about him reviving his career and saving his career.
I think that I would assume that that's where Cam
is as well. He was waiting for the opportunity. Who
would have ever thought that it would be the Carolina Pathers.

(20:15):
You know, they got rid of him, they didn't want him,
this coach and staff in particular. You know, you get
an incomplete you get an incomplete fracture for Sam Donald,
which is gonna end his season. And somebody made the joke.
I've been using it like, look, the kid couldn't complete anything,
couldn't even complete a fracture when he got injured. Everything's
been incomplete with Sam Donald. But shots out to Sam,

(20:37):
we hope you recover well. Um, but this ultimately gives
him a familiar environment. And if there's one thing that
will overcome the anxiety or the nerves of of going
to a new team, you're going to a place where
you are basically the number one player in the history

(20:58):
of the franchise. So the support, the love that he's
gonna garner, it's gonna be there, and I think that
that's gonna play a large part and and Calm's opportunity
to have some success. So I'm interested to see it.
I'm not a Cam apologist. Um. It might have seemed
like we were an Odell apologist in the first segment.
I just keep things real, man, We keep it. If

(21:20):
Odell couldn't play, we would straight come on here and
he could said he washed. We ain't. We're gonna say
how we feel. We're not being politically correct. I think
people know that that listen to this. I'll be one
to say I thought Cam Newton was done. I thought
he was I did not believe he would get another
chance to be a starter in the National Football League.

(21:42):
I just didn't believe that would come, that opportunity would
present itself. But when you start to look at it,
the Panthers tried to trade for Deshaun Watson, didn't work.
They are not in a position where they're going to
get a high draft pick, so they can't draft the
quarterback of the future. You look at the free agents

(22:05):
to be who are they? So they're looking at it
from the perspective of we want to compete, we want
to win. Now our quarterback they feel is holding them
back and sound Darnald, which I was wrong about Darnald.
I thought Darnald would go to Carolina and make the

(22:25):
people in New York look like they failed him. He
started off well and it's just been going downhill. So
the Panthers are looking, we have to find a quarterback.
Cam Newton's vaccinated, he's healthy. Let's see if he can
recapture and be just some of what he was. Honestly

(22:48):
think New England is a better team if Cam is
the starting quarterback for that defense is lights out there there.
Their record is better, their situation is better with Cam
Newton at the starting quarterback. Is this is the thing
we The Panthers don't have a bad offensively, weapons, they

(23:11):
have receivers. Christian McCaffrey has been heard all year now
he's coming back. Defensively, at one point early in the season,
they were the best defense in the league. They have players.
Can Cam stay healthy, Kenny learn this system fast enough.
Football is universal. Every player is the same. What you

(23:34):
might call Nitney, we call Michigan. But it's the same
play the same concept. That's gonna be the hard part
is learning that playbook because the quarterback, you've gotta understand protections.
You got id to Mike, you got to know what
It's just a lot of stuff that happens, and it
happens fast. But Cam Newton is motivated, like for the

(23:57):
first time in his life, he wasn't wanted. He was
wanted his entire life. You go to University of Florida,
you're get in trouble. You go Juico, you come out
of Juico, you're the number one Juico player in the country.
You go to Auburn, you won the national championship. You're
the first pick, You're Rookie of the Year, you're the
m v P. He's never not been wanted, and he's

(24:22):
been unwanted, and he was unwanted to the point where
I guarantee he thought for a split second, this might
be it. Look but then he was unwanted based off
of someone else. Like it's one thing to be unwanted
based on like, Okay, I can see how you may
have something against me or something about me or me,

(24:43):
you know, but you're unwanted because of someone else. Like,
we don't want you now because we believe mac Jones
showed just as much in the preseason as you did,
and we're gonna go ahead and go with the guy
we drafted. Have a good day. Yeah, that's a different,
that hit different. It's humbling. That's gonna hit different. It's humbling.

(25:05):
But it's like I guarant he literally sat there and
probably was like, I'm better than this dude one percent,
and he would be. And what is a really good organization.
They are run the right way. Whether you like it
or you agree with it or not, Belichick does a

(25:27):
good job running out the organization. He might miss on
some draft picks, he might miss on this or that,
but they're always competitive. They're always competitive, and so it
was a good situation for him there. But as soon
as they drafted mac Jones, it's just a matter of time.
It was when it was just when was it going

(25:47):
to happen, not if win and they decided, you know what,
if it's close, we're it's gonna go with Mac now.
But I'm interested to see how he performs a line.
I believe he will have some success. Don't if they
paid him to play now, But if they rush him
in there, it can go wrong. And so Cam Newton,

(26:12):
welcome back to the league. Um, don't worry about proving
nobody wrong. Just go prove yourself right, simple, All right, Well,
here's what we're gonna do. We're gonna take and do
a We're gonna do an update. Let's get a trending
from Ilo, and then on the other side of this,
this this trending, let's jump into some up on game,

(26:34):
down on game and we'll jump on with Jake Gilli.
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(26:57):
reporting the Los Angeles Rams receiver Robbert Woods toward his
a c al yesterday in practice He's the rams second
leading receiver this season, behind Cooper Cup. Multiple outlets report
Green Bay Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers will officially be activated
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the Seattle Seahawks. And Tom Pellisero of NFL Media reports

(27:20):
the Arizona Cardinals are placing running back Chase Edmonds on
injured reserve with a high ankle sprain. And college football
New Mexico State actually took a three nothing lead today
at number two Alabama. Since then, Alabama has scored six
touchdowns and leads at forty two to three with two
thirty nine left to play in the second quarter. Penn

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State hosting six ranked Michigan. And I'm an a mute
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Oh no, it happened again, all right, yeah, I see
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(28:03):
at Penn State, one fifty left to play in the
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Here for the sake of posterity, though the only touchdown
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You can't play Penn State music over top of Michigan
scoring a touchdown. I was it was not my decision.
Turn it off. Turn that off. You can't do it,
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that man right there can. But that was not a

(28:44):
good and after LaVar complimented me so thoroughly just before,
And that's how I think him t J. I mean,
I have just been exposed for the scoundrel that I
am a scoundrel. You know what I should do? I
should change the subject, changed on to the Big twelve
Number eight Oklahoma and thirteenth rank Taylor are tied at seven.

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Might be the best defensive coach in college football getting
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seventeenth ranked Auburn twenty eight Mississippi State three three minutes
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of twenty one to nothing in that one and also
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funnest segments that we have on the show. I'm the best.
No no, no, best, no no, no. We we're gonna

(30:36):
We're gonna do this whole season. Tally Um that will
speak for herself. Up on game, down our game, Jake
done for some kicks? Are you up on game? And
let's break this up. Let's break it up. I'm the best?
Who's let us know who was on top last week? Well,

(31:01):
last week was a rough week for everyone because underdogs
won like crazy last week. So, uh, LaVar t J
and Jake, you all went one in three in your picks.
Plaques went on and four. That's why Plaques are you
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(31:21):
in your totals. Plax did go three and one on
his total. I'm back a little bit, and Jake one
and three on the totals. Come on, Jake, let's bring
Jake on in. What's up, j G, what's coming on?
You took it? Yeah, I know. I was hoping. I
was really hoping you guys didn't bring up the records.
I was callying my record before I came on, like,
oh what a rough week for me. But uh, all

(31:44):
the way out here in Denver today, come to you guys.
Still help with Denver Tokyo doesn't matter. I'm gonna be
on up on games to speak with you guys every
Saturday NEXTUREM here. All right, All right, Well, what we
got going on this week? Man? Let's jump into it. Yeah? Absolutely,
Let's start with the tightened the absolute jigger, not of
the a F D through for two on a half

(32:04):
points favorites against the Saints over under a forty four
points in this one, and Tennessee coming on a vettering
past of performance against the l A Ram sixteen. The
Titans fist or seven and two against the spread. They've
been out doing expectations the whole way. The same the
other hand as underdogs or three. N Oh, they are

(32:25):
in this game and underdogs, so it'll be interesting the
contrast or styles here. Who are your tones questionable? We're
telling avans questionable and on the same side, Rousing Kamara
is at one friend, I will get you guys before
we go to the born John Peyton is sixty one
and seven team Withston versus team scoring more than twenty
four points a game that would be the Titans. So

(32:47):
we'll go to LaVar. Who do you have in this one? Yeah,
I'm taking the Titans with the points on this one.
I think they'll cover that. I think they'll win by
more than two plus um excuse me too. And I'm
taking the under on the total. Man definitely, I think
this will definitely be more of a defensive oriented game.
I'm taking the New Orleans Saints that defense is the

(33:09):
real deal. The Rams gave them a lot of those points.
They didn't even have two hundred yards offense. I'm taking
the New Orleans Saints without Alvin Kamara and I'm going under. Yeah,
this is the first time since Week five the Tennessee
is not an underdog. Granted, they played Buffalo, Kansas City
and the Santranto and by the way, they won all

(33:29):
of those teams. I'm gonna take the Tennessee Titans minus
two and a half and go over the forty four.
I'm just hoping the Things are able to keep up.
I expect the Titans put a hurting on this Things defense.
But we'll move on to another defensive battle round versus
the Patriots. Patriots two and a half points favorite with
an over under of forty five. Who Nick tubn this

(33:50):
game for the Browns And that's where the Patriots injuries. Well,
I wanted to get those two guys but have to
started for New England are listed as questionable. That's how
they do things over there. So there's no telling who's
gonna be in who's gonna be out until we get
a little bit closer to Cleveland, US. Coming off the
game where they destroyed Cincinnati forty one to sixteen on

(34:11):
the road, and they come in against one of my
favorite teams. Have been on the Patriots this year again,
Patriots to the half point. David's against the Browns up
of the Browns put up forty one. We'll start with
t J. Who are you having this one? I'm going
with the New England Patriots. I believe they'll win the game.
Cleveland is coming off a good win against Cincinnati. Can

(34:31):
they do it two weeks in a row without their
best offensive player Chubb? I say no, they can't. Bill Belichick,
one thing he's going to do is play defense. Mac
Jones does not make mistakes. Going against that defensive Cleveland
is gonna be tough, but he will be prepared. I'm
taking New England and under. I still think they're able
to run the ball in Cleveland, and they've shown that
they can still do it even when they're their top

(34:53):
two guys are out, So I'm gonna take I'm gonna
take Cleveland in this one. I think that they will
over cover that that point spread. I think they'll win
by more and I'm taking the under on total points. Though. Yeah,
you guys mentioned the running game. You mentioned defense. Bill
Belichick in seventy eight games, fifty six and twenty two
when food sing the teams that I was just eases

(35:16):
offuts per carry really good at clogging up those running lanes,
tooking those assignments, and that's what they have in front
of them. Obviously with the Browns on this one, I'm
gonna go place this find the student who high now
moving to another bang dup team, another quarterback who's been
in and out hurt. Is the Cardinals versus the Panthers.
Cardinals ten and a half point favorites. That's a little

(35:38):
high in my opinion over under a forty four UH
the hop questionable, Murray questionable. And this is a Panthers
team that is coming off a loss to UH to
New England last time. Now Arizona, even without Kylin Murray
put our thirty one points against San Francisco. I don't
have a ton of this team. The only trained by
DC is both team sets combined the hit me under

(36:00):
an eleven games this year, go with t J. Who
you got in this one? Man? I'm I'm gonna go
with the Cardinals. Man, it's you. You just don't you
don't know what's going on in Carolina, right now and so, yeah,
I don't know who's gonna play for the Cardinals, but

(36:20):
when you win, you have a lot of confidence. So
I'm taking the Cardinals and over. This one is a
little complex to me because I just feel like this
is one of those trap games for the Cardinals. I'm
not sure Tyler Murray is going to play. I know
they've they've still done well without him this. If he
doesn't play, it gives them an opportunity to continue, um

(36:42):
to show that this is just a good team. It's
not a one person man team. But with that being said,
I'm I can't go against the Cardinals the way that
they're playing, even though I think it is a trap game.
I think it will be the under, uh in terms
of total points, and I'm I think they will cover
the spread it. Yeah, I would have lived with you

(37:02):
on the under the last but after they put a
third one without Kyler Murray that gives it a little
bit of respect. Before this, that was on offense and
how they operate. Uh, my man, stop Walkers Temple made
I love him, He's just not in this one. He's
I'll going against the New York Giants. Arizona is a
better defense I'm gonna take the Cardinals minus gonna happen
over forty Schomer moving onto the game of the week,

(37:25):
Suser Hawks with Russell Wilson's back in tone heading to
Lambo to take on the Packers, who are minus three
and a half point Suber and Rogers also back over
under of forty nine. Prim Bay did move to Kansas
City last time out, thoteen to seven and low scoring
game off battle without Ross without thirty more points granted
bit against Jacksonville. Some turns for this one is that

(37:48):
Green Bay has actually covered every scle point spread since
Bruson connew me he we based been on fire, but
without Rock the golfe Seattle has covered last three days,
has covered every single point spread. Very interesting matchup in
this one. Uh kay, let's start with you you got
I'm going with the Green May Packers. I think this

(38:09):
is uh fairly easy. There'd be a lot of points scored.
Take the over, but yeah, Green Bay is going they
should win this going away. Yeah, I'm gonna take the
Packers by a middle finger. I think that I think
they will cover the spread, and I think this is
the one game that will be my over. I'll take

(38:30):
the over on this one on totals. Yeah, this is
a really tough one for me to pick. And Andrew
Aaron Rodgers is a dangerous man obviously with everything going
on and how he's been proceeding the media. He's not
too happy about it. The Russell Wilson coming back, I'm
gonna Seattle plus three and a half. It's through the
key number of three. So seem they win by a
field goal, you still win getting three and a half.
And I'm gonna agree or going over on that one.

(38:53):
And now let's move to the last one on my doctet.
The most frustrating team in football to watch the Kansas
City Chiefs two and a half point favorite. Still favored
it against the Raiders, divisional rivals with this book under
our forty nine only putting a thirst team points. Last
week game Green Day Raiders struggling as well as they've

(39:14):
lost the Giants, but still the storyline this year has
been the chief Saw offense and they're struggled two six
against the spread. And it's I mean, I sent my
last week that hey, they gotta break out eventually, you
know what, I'm gonna be against them until they do
break out. But we'll start with the Barn. We've gotten
this one. Yeah, I'm gonna take the Chiefs in this one,
I think, And then I guess we gotta start having

(39:37):
the conversation that they're doing better and and that it's
you know, the turnaround has taken taken hold. Uh. I'm
not confident in this pick, but I will take the Chiefs.
I'm gonna take the under, and if they do win,
I think they will do it by covering the point spread.
I'm taking the Raiders and under. The Chiefs just don't cover,

(39:57):
and they may win, they just don't over until they cover.
I'll take the team they're playing every week. That's smart. Yeah,
you're right on the money there. I'm gonna go Raiders
plus two and a half winda overs. They have under
twenty under sixteen points this one. I'm gonna go over

(40:19):
and guys your Saturday. Hey, we appreciate it, man, and
I look forward to coming back next week and saying
that I've re established my lead. I had a slow day,
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you've talked about this during the week, but Robert Woods
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(46:01):
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He has a house here, he's here all the time.
The Rams are obviously a great organization. It seems like
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(46:21):
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This has quickly become a high stakes situation for O'Dell,
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