Aaron Torres & Jason Martin React to the NFL Draft Results

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Fox Sports Saturday, Aaron Torres, Jason Martin, it is Saturday Night.
It's the sacre just told you. NFL Draft is done.
Plenty on that. NBA Playoffs ramping back up tomorrow. Plenty
on that as well. Dan Lust also we'll join us

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to talk about this ongoing Trevor Bauer situation. But first,
Jason Martin, how are you doing, man? What's going on? Well,
other than a broken foot, I'm doing just fine. NFL Draft, well,
I've rolled it in the middle of the night because
apparently I'm forty three and unathletic. That's the best way
I can put it. I literally rolled it in the

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middle of the night a couple of weeks ago walking
to the bathroom. I wish I had a better story,
and I broke my fifth metatarsal, which is exactly the
same injury Derrick Henry had, although he earned his literally
same injury. I'm rolling in a walking boot right now.
I have it elevated at the studio where I'm broadcasting from.

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I had it this way last week. Also, so this
is week two of six in the boot, and no
determination has been made yet as to whether or not
there's gonna be surgery. So play and hurt, I guess,
is what I would suggest. But outside of that doing
all right and the fact that my daughter doesn't understand
it at one years old and climbs on it like
it's a gym um, that that might be hurting the

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healing process. I was gonna say, if there is a
spin zone, it's if you say anything crazy, you can
just claim that you're on pain meds, whether you really
are or not. If you just have some crazy NFL
draft take or NBA draft take or whatever, just blame
it on the meds. But sorry to hear that, Uh,
you know, you bringing up Derrick Henry though, I mean honestly, uh,
does kind of take me right into tonight's show and

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exactly what I want to lead with. I'm sure everybody
listening knows. You host every Day Money through Friday in
Nashville with Ramon Foster. Longtime NFL VET played at Tennessee
and obviously the the primary talking point in your city
is the Tennessee Titans. And so you know, NFL Draft
is now complete. We got four hours to discuss that,

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plus the NBA playoffs as I said, Dan Lust will
join us, Bernie Fraddle will join us. I mean, unless
I'm mistaken, I think the biggest story in this draft
came from Tennessee. A J. Brown. You know, we we've talked, well,
you and I have talked about Deebo Samuel, what's his future?
He wants a trade, blah blah blah blah blah, Mike
Vrabel publicly saying on as long as I'm the head coach,

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A J. Brown's gonna be a Tennessee Titan. Well, what
happened Thursday night? Obviously you're probably on the couch watching
the draft like the rest of us, But what was
your reaction? As A J. Brown is now a Philadelphia Eagle,
Treylon Burke's from from from Arkansas is drafted to replace him.
What was your initial reaction? Then? What were you guys
talking about for three or four hours yesterday morning? Because

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I imagine the city is a buzz about this one. Yeah. Well,
we were fielding phone calls. Um for the most part.
We all we had to do was show up and
say here's the telephone number, and then we could have
just sat back because it was wall to wall phones.
We could have been we could have done twenty four
hours and we still probably wouldn't have gotten to all
the calls that wanted to talk about this. My reaction
was stunned because of everything we had heard and everybody

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in the media basically saying zero percent chance, zero percent chance.
And we had talked for weeks on our show about how, look,
there are scenarios where this could happen, there are reasons
why this might happen. We're not saying it's going to
people really came after us. We did this so real quick.

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What were those reasons because again, you know, Mike, obviously
the reasons were financial, I would assume, but Mike vrabel
again publicly, as long as I'm the head coach, A J.
Brown is gonna be a Tennessee Titan. So it sounds
like you and Ramon took some heat for that. So
what what did What had you guys? Who were you
talking to? What led you guys to believe that maybe
the public sentiment from the Titans wasn't what was actually

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the truth? Well, it was before that that we were
saying it. As a matter of fact, the Titans came
started talking about it. We're not gonna take full credit
for this. But the morning that we really came in
and said, look, here are the scenarios under which a J.
Brown could end up in a different uniform. And the
listening audience, a lot of them disagreed. We're upset. Thought

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we were trying to make it happen. We obviously were not.
We were just trying to say, look, this is why
is this out here, This is why rich and he's
saying what he's saying, this is out here for a purpose.
And then that morning, third hour of the show, I
started getting messages from inside the Titans building from some
people that work for the team, pushing back on some
of our information. And then within thirty minutes of that,

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Diana Rossini drops her message that according to Ray, when
John Robinson, a J. Brown's going nowhere. So we're like, okay,
got it. Somebody listened and somebody responded. But the scenarios were, Yeah,
certainly it was financial and where this team finds itself.
It was also just the wide receiver market and the
idea that Tory Dan was the agent for all of

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these guys who are currently trying to get paid d
K devo a J. He had gotten a couple of
guys paid already prior to that, I didn't know what
that meant except for the fact that he was Maybe
there was some kind of kind of collaborative effort here
about trying to get everybody paid. And we knew what
a j was gonna cost, and we knew that there

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were two guys in that draft in particular that had
to be taken care of. One was Jeff Simmons, the
other was a J. Brown, and it was very possible
only one of them could be because unlike the Rams,
unlike you would say, maybe Tampa Bay, unlike the Saints,
the Titans treat the cap like it actually matters, which

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is sort of odd, and some people push back and
say why because it doesn't seem to matter to the
rest of the league. But if you were gonna pay one,
which one would you pay? And we said it's gonna
be Jeff. Jeff's the one that does the rarer thing,
which sounds crazy because the Titans have struggled to find
a receiver for a decade. But Big Jeff is the
closest thing to Aaron Donald in the league. And that's

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not my words, that's Aaron Donald's words. So they're gonna
pay Jeff, So where's the money coming from? Because there's
other dudes that also have to factor in this equation.
And if A J and we predicted this is kind
of funny, but we said, I bet you want a
hundred million dollars somewhere around sixty to seventy guarantee. And
then when the Stefon Diggs thing hit and when Tyreek

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Hill got traded, my rationale was this. It was simple.
Aaron I just said, look, if Tyreek Hill can get moved,
all bets are off. If him and Davante Adams can move,
your guy can to across the league. And people didn't
want to hear it, but that's what happened on Thursday night,
and there were there's there's you know, the team had
to make a call. A J may have gotten disenfranchised

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a bit with the offer that was put out there.
What he was asking for, according to what we've heard,
is gigantic. But then there's the other thing. Remember last
week I suggested that maybe one of Deebo's biggest issues
was staying in San Francisco, was that maybe he knew
they didn't have a quarterback for sure, I'm not so sure.

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A J. Brown thinks that Tennessee has one. Why do
you say that because it's Ryan Tannehill. Well, I mean
I know that, and you know that. But has has
a J. Brown said something or done something publicly that
makes you feel that way? No, But that's because he's
smart enough not to write, Like very few people are
are dumb enough to devalue themselves or create themselves as

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a as a distressed asset to potentially get out of
the door. You're gonna say kind of stuff about your
quarterback because a J. Knew he didn't necessarily have leverage here.
The Titans didn't have to trade him. They could have
called his bluff the way the Packers have done at
times in the past. They didn't in this case. But
we know what we know about Ryan Tannehill. We also
know that Jalen Hurts wanted a J. Brown at Alabama

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and they've been friends for a long long time. And
when you started seeing Hurts on social media talking about
this weeks ago, and then you've got you know, those
two guys working out together, Tannehills nowhere to be seen
all this. Like, there's there's a lot of things you
can go back and point to, but I think just
the biggest deal is he wanted a ton of money.

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And the one thing that I don't know that I've
ever said on this show, but I will say it
many of us. And I heard a podcast a couple
of years ago with a medical professional who went through
all of the Titans injuries in detail and said, Hey,
not a problem, not a problem, not a problem to everybody,
but one guy. And he said, A. J. Brown has
degenerative knees and he's gonna have a much shorter career

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than many people think he's going to. He's going to
quote chase his health unquote for his entire career. He's
twenty four years old. But if he's got bad knees,
and I'm in the Titans organization and I know that
committing a hundred million dollars to him with a D guaranteed,
which is what he requested, that's a lot looking right now. Uh,

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multiple surgeries on those knees. Um, you know obviously last
offseason had surgery on both knees. So, um, what is
the vibe? You know, obviously him being a superstar, but um,
what is the vibe in terms of the team going forward?
I mean, obviously you replace him with a receiver that
looks like him in plays like him and appears to

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have a lot of same attributes in Treylon Burke's. But
obviously you know, and it's funny, right because you and
I always talk about this. It seems like seemingly every episode,
every show that we do about the idea of a
championship window. Well, you know, obviously you know what you
just said about Ryan Tannehill is very similar to how
I feel about Ryan Tannehill. I don't know if you
can win a super Bowl with that guy. But they

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did have the number one overall seed in the a
f c Uh. They obviously won the division comfortably. Um,
is it picking up the pieces? Is it will wait
and see? I mean, what was the tone of the
calls in terms of where Tennessee is in obviously a
brutal a FC that has in a emerging Cincinnati Bengals
and emerging Los Angeles Chargers, Kansas City's rolling all that stuff.

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What was the sentiment about the team going forward without
a J. Brown? Everybody was really sad there, They were
very unhappy. Raman, my my broadcast partner, of course, what
he was doing draft coverage for Titans radio and fans
were taking their jerseys off Thursday night. One person had
a J. Brown socks that they went up to the
table and sat down and walked away. We had one

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guy called in and say, I'm tired of buying jerseys,
man Like. There were a whole lot of people that
were extremely saddened by this. But I think the most
eloquent way it was put. Somebody sent us a message
just a listener, and it said, my brain understands this,
but my heart is broken. Sure, And that's exactly right,
because you can understand the rational Trailan Burke's everybody compares

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him to a J. Brown. So if you get him,
you wanna talk about a championship window, talk about the
way to win a Super Bowl right now, generally it's
to hopefully find a rookie st it at quarterback that
you can surround with a ton of talent while he's
on his rookie deal. Well, now we need to expand that.
Now it's find a rookie quarterback. Yes, it's also find

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a first contract stud wide receiver. So I will tell
you this, that was my biggest takeaway from Thursday night
in the email draft, and I want to discuss that
next the evolving role of wide receiver, the evolving you know, evolution,
evolving evolution is the same thing. But you get the point.
Because I think that we saw a sea change in

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front of our eyes on Thursday night, and I think
a J. Brown and Treylon Burke's that was a moment
in time that we are going to say the NFL
officially changed forever. We'll discuss that. Next terraitoris Jason Martin
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Welcome back everybody, Fox Sports Radio. Eron towards Jason Martin.
Here Saturday night. A lot going on in the world sports,
NFL Draft done and an NBA playoff second round begins tomorrow.
Will discuss that coming up. I do want to get
back to the draft though, Jason. And it's interesting, right because,
like you know, we we just spent a lot of

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time talking about a J. Brown. But to me, like
a J. Brown was the story. But I feel like
sometimes there's like a story behind a story, like a
sub story, how whatever you want to call it. And
to me, it's exactly what you just said is that
I do think that for years we've kind of heard like,

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you know, what is the value wide receivers? You can
you get? Can you just get a good one in
the draft? Blah blah blah blah, this and that. Um,
And that was kind of when I reflected back on
on Thursday night going into Friday. Obviously, you know there's
individual teams that I thought did pretty well, the Jets,
the Lions, etcetera. We can discuss in a minute. But
to me, the biggest story was a J. Brown. But

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really the story behind this story is kind of the
evolution of where we are with receivers where um, to me,
it feels an awful lot like where we were were
with running backs about fifteen twenty years ago. And and
you know, everyone knows where I'm going with this, but
when you and I were kids, you know, you paid
them at Smith and you paid Jerome Bettis and Curtis

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Martin and whoever was the guy at that time, and
then at a certain point you kind of realize, you
know what, Uh, it's not worth paying these guys. The
production that you get by the end of the contract
is not the same that you're gonna get at the beginning.
Just draft a guy, keep him on his rookie contract,
and then when it's time to pay him, let somebody
else do it. I don't know that we're totally completely
there yet with wide receivers, because a J Prown is

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gonna get a lot of money from the Eagles. Obviously,
Tyreek Hill got his bag from the Dolphins. Davante Adams
got paid by the Raiders. But I think we're going
towards a world where I think there's a lot of
teams that are gonna sit there and say, you know what,
rather than giveing my guy twenty million a year, rather
than give him a hundred million guaranteed, I think I
can get a Garrett Wilson and Jamison Williams, a crystal

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lava trailing Burke's in the first round, and I think
we're headed towards that world really fast, and I think
that got crystallized on Thursday night with what happened with
the Titans. That's absolutely right, and this is what this
is what that enables you to do. Eventually the market
it out prices itself and then demand starts to drop.
Like look, wide receiver value has never been higher than

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it is right now. Because it's a passing league. All
the rules benefit the offense. This is certainly a quarterback
kind of era, not a running back kind of era.
I don't know that wherever gonna go back to that,
and so receivers or the premium. And if we go
through all the teams that made the playoffs last year,
pretty sure I can point to a stud wide out
on every one of those teams. If not, maybe there's

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like one exception, but almost everyone. And most times there's
two stud wide receivers on great teams, whether it's Kelsey
and Hill, or it's three in Cincinnati just as one example,
or it's Debo and George Kittle and Brandon IUK and
San Francisco. The examples are all over the place. But
if you get to that spot in that fourth year

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where they can ask for more, they they're eligible to
sign extensions. And if they start playing hardball now, all
of a sudden, you've got to rob Peter to pay Paul,
you're gonna lose other players in order to hold on
to wide receivers. At the money they're asking for right now,
hundred million dollars, sixty guarantees, seventy guarantee, whatever it is

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for a j it turned out to be fifty seven,
but it won't. That won't be the end of it, obviously.
And we saw the Tyreek deal, we saw the Avante deal,
we saw the Stefon Diggs extension. All these things keep happening.
But if you say, you know what, too rich for
our blood, we love you, but that's just that's that's
more than we're willing to do. And they don't take

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the hometown discount and they want to get paid, which
you know, more power to them on that than they
go elsewhere. And you go drafted guy. If you hit
on the guy you draft, you have reset your clock
because then you've got four years before you have to
pay that dude, at which point you can spend that
money elsewhere. And the best life for an NFL or

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now is to have the rookie quarterback and the rookie
wide receiver. All of them be studs. Look at Cincinnati
right now. Burrow is gonna get paid. We know this.
Jamaar Chase is gonna ask for money, but he can't yet.
They've got time and so they're able to go grab
Trey Hendrickson last year. We're able to spend pretty freely
in free agency this year to beef up that offensive line.

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They understand the scenario in front of them. You must
maximize the time in which you possess those two positions. Young.
So the Titans have said, this is the truth, this
is just it. In my opinion, what they basically said
with this move is we know we're not winning the
Super Bowl this year. This isn't about two, It's about

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and So I suggested last week that Ryan Tannehill is
basically a penthouse version of Alex Smith in Kansas City. Well,
what did the Titans do at eighty six last night?
In the draft? They took Malik Willis. Malik Willis is
a project. It's gonna take time. You know who else

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they said it was gonna take time and was a project.
Patrick Mahomes, I'm not saying Malik Willis is gonna be
Patrick Mahomes. I'm saying that's the blueprint. You've got an
older guy that has succeed did that has one that
has that has some solid stats, but doesn't generally get
it done in the postseason. You put a young kid
behind that kind of guy, a veteran who's had to

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claw to stay in the league. Alex Smith losing jobs,
Ryan Tannehill losing jobs, falling out of favor in Miami,
the way Alex Smith, you know, it wasn't gonna wasn't
gonna be the guy in San Francisco. It's the same idea.
And then you've got a rookie quarterback in Malik Willis,
and if you're right and and Trailin Burke's turns out
to be a J. Brown two point. Oh, you've done it.

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You've found the quarterback of the future and the wide
receiver of the future. You might leverage the present in
order to do that. But they have gambled on resetting
their clock as opposed to going for broke this year
because they don't believe in their quarterback. To us, well,
I mean, you know, I don't believe in their quarterback either.
I mean, you know, and I mean I really don't,

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and no, it's it's just it's so fascinating to see
this stuff happen in real time. And you know, I
think obviously the the Alex Smith parallel is comparable because
Alex Smith was good enough to win a lot of
games in the regular season. It gave Patrick Mahomes time
where he didn't have to be the guy year one,
and then all of a sudden, you put yourself in
a position where end of that season he comes in

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for the final game. You start to see the potential
and then it's game on the following year. And so
you know, when I look at this whole situation with
with Tennessee, I mean, the Malik Willis think is interesting.
I think, by the way, the wide receiver stuff is
interesting too, And like you know, and and a couple
of things to go back to the wide receivers for
a second, Like it's not hyperbole to say that you
can get guys on rookie contracts that are real difference makers.

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I'm looking right now of the top ten wide receivers
this year, or let's let's just do the top five
this past season. Three of the five we're on a
rookie contract. Justin Jefferson was on a rookie contract, Jamaar
Chase was on a rookie contract, Deebo Samuel was on
a rookie contract. Three of the top five. So it's
not you know, this isn't a position where you need

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to be year two, year three, year four. You can
come in and be Jamar Chase right away and be
a difference maker. And I think we're gonna continue to
see this. Now. If you're a team like Philadelphia that
has a history of just being completely unable to draft
that guy, then yeah, it makes sense for you to
overpay for a j Brown because for the obvious reason,

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you want to see if Jalen hurts as your guy,
you want to give him every opportunity. But if you
are the Tennessee Talians, and and maybe like you said,
it's a long term play of you know, we're we're
more concerned about, you know, the next five years of
our our organization than just this next season. But I
don't know, I just I just think it's such an
interesting change to to where we are going. And I
think the the stats bear out that young wide receivers

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can come in this league and play right away. I mean,
and and the other thing too is it's not just
young wide receivers come in and play right away, but
it's that we're getting so many good ones out of
the college ranks every year. What was yeah, I I well,
I forget if it was five or six Off the
top of my head on on third six in the
first round, six in the first round. I believe we
had five last year, six in And again, these aren't

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guys that aren't stepping in and having an immediate contribution.
And so that to me is what's so fascinating is
it would be one thing if it was you know,
it would be one thing for me to come on
here and say, oh, you know, it's just this is
the changing of the guard. It's a new way of
doing things. If we were only getting one or two
first round ers a year, one or two difference makers
a year. But you start to look at the young

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guys in this league. Jalen Waddle incredible rookie season. I mentioned,
Jamaar Chase, I mentioned Justin Jefferson. Um, you know, you
go on and on down the list. I'm just trying
to think off the top of my head, but there
are so many good young guys coming into this league.
And I'm not saying you don't pay the guy if
you think he's the right guy at the right time,
with for your right organization. But I also can see

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where a lot of these teams say I can get
eighty to ninety percent of what I'm getting from that
guy for a fraction of the cost. Yeah, I mean
I think so. And look with that, some teams are
gonna be right, some are gonna be wrong, dead wrong.
And it's spot Look, Trailan Burke's is walking in. Imagine
the pressure on him. I was wondering. Imagine him walking in,

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and he's gonna be expected to be a j J
had a thousand yards in this rookie season like that
doesn't happen every day. And and you've got Tannehill. And
I don't know what Tannehill is gonna be this year,
but we know, at least in my opinion, I don't
think he gets it done for you in January. So
I look at this and I look at it for

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the future. But Trailon Burk has got a ton of
pressure on him, and this is gonna happen. It's the
same thing as the way the Rams built a championship team,
and then other teams we're gonna follow suit. If they lost,
nobody would follow suit. Everything would be built differently. So
it's gonna work sometimes, and some teams are gonna make
catastrophic mistakes. The amazing thing about it, and the part

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that I think people need to understand, patience is a
virtue here. We're not gonna know whether or not this
was a good decision for a couple of years because
we don't know what a J's gonna do in Philadelphia.
We don't know if he's gonna if the injury history
I spoke of in the last segment, if that's going
to be a problem for him. We don't know what
Trailon Burke's is gonna do. We also don't know what

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the other draft picks that the Titans acquired are going
to be. It's like, it's always sounds great, Aaron when
people say, man, I love draft picks, I do too
if they hit. But we need to actually see what
picks were made and what those guys look like about
three years from right now to determine whether or not
that hall works, because it's all about who you pick.

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Draft picks sounds great on paper, but this ain't Madden.
The ain't n c double a football where I can
look at your awareness stats and look at your overall
and know what you're gonna be able to do because
I've got a controller in my hand to make sure
of it. That's not how it works. The draft. We
talk I talked to a longtime Cowboys scout earlier this
week and he said the draft is art, it's not science.

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And I thought that was a fascinating way to look
at it. Then he said, this is an amazing statistic,
and I know, get to the sager, but hit rate
at best in the draft, quarterbacks hit rate over the
last fifteen years one out of every four. And we
went through and we looked from two thousand to two
thousand twenty two, and that was right. There have been

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a whole lot of misses. This ain't easy to do,
even you know, Aightan Hutchinson who knows could turn out
to be the greatest player of all time might end
up being an absolute bust. Everything's a risk. Well guess what,
just because even the best, even the pros, even the
GMS IT coaches, miss a lot. That's not gonna stop
us from picking our winners. And our favorite picks that's

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coming up next. Before we get to it, though, let's
get too Steve to Sega first time. What's trending? Hello, gentlemen,
and a happy Saturday to you. And what a weekend is?
The NFL draft concluded with rounds four through seven in
Vegas today And what you talked about referencing running backs earlier?
Did you notice that the Raiders did not pick up
the fifth year option on their running back Josh Jake Gibbs.

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And then the Raiders went out and drafted running back
from George's a Mere White in round number four. Georgia
had fifteen players drafted this weekend. That is a record
for seven rounds. And in the final round tonight, Las
Vegas drafted running back from u C. L A Britton Brown,
the final selection Mr Irrelevant quarterback from Iowa State Brock
Purty to the San Francisco forty Niners. The Chicago Bears

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have cut quarterback Nick Foles. The Rams reacquired defensive back
Troy Hill from the Browns in a trade for a
fifth rounder next year. Cleveland just drafted a corner this weekend.
The Titans waved quarterback Kevin Hogan. What about the undrafted players, Well,
how about these quarterbacks who have already agreed to sign
with NFL teams and the draft just ended a few

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hours ago. Philadelphia picks up quarterback from Nevada Carson Strong,
and the Eagles he at quarterback from Brown. E J. Perry.
Quarterback Jack Cone from Notre Dame and Wisconsin before that,
is signing with the Indianapolis Colts. The Chargers get quarterback
from Illinois Brandon Peters, cal quarterback Chase Garbers to the Raiders.

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De Eric King University of Miami QB is signing with
the Patriots, reportedly to play multiple positions. Oregon quarterback Anthony
Brown to the Baltimore Ravens and San Jose States startight end.
Derek des Jr. Gets a deal with the Detroit Lions
a hundred thousand dollars in total guarantees, according to Pro
Football Focus. I bring it up in part because Derek D.

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Senior used to be co host right here with us
every Saturday on Fox Sports Radio. Now his sons in
the NFL. That is correct, He's going to Lions camp. Senior,
by the way, was a USC lineman and then San
Francisco forty. I thought it was just a time slot.
I thought, you know, if I, me and the wife
ever decide, you know, it was a foregone conclusion. I
didn't know. Okay, Yeah, my daughter get ready to read

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sports updates about Clara Grayson about eighteen years to say,
did you say your wife's like five eleven or something
like that. Yeah, yeah, I'm six. Yeah, she's playing at
w His dad was like three out of pounds, so
you know there might be something to that as well.
There is usfl action on Fox TV early fourth quarter.
The New Orleans Breakers are up thirteen ten on the

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(28:28):
Jason Martin here Saturday Night. Uh so, Jason, Yeah, I mean,
as you said, um, you know, the NFL Draft obviously,
Uh you know, we all love him, we all consume it.
And even though statistically, as you said, you know, a
fifty hit rate, and you know, coming from somebody that
works in the NFL, it's hit rate, I don't think

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that should stop us from talking about who we liked
and who we didn't like this week. So I've gotta
going man, um, I can't believe I'm saying this. I
love what the New York Jets did. Everybody yeah, like
and and by the end of the night it seemed
like everybody was in a consensus. But it's with good reason.
I mean, we watch you know, you and I maybe
more than anybody on the network. And that's no disrespect,

(29:11):
it's just the nature of the time set that we're in.
We watch more football than than maybe college football, I
should say, more than anybody. I thought Garrett Wilson was
probably the best wide receiver that I saw, uh this year.
I don't I'm not gonna claim that I can know
the difference between Sauce Gardner and Derek Stingley. But Sauce Gardner,
I mean, you and I were on during the Alabama
Cincinnati college football playoff game and Alabama basically decided you

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know what, our best chance at not only winning, but
winning convincingly is to to run the ball right at
these guys rather than challenge these two corners. Uh So,
Sauce Gardener goes off for early. Kobe Bryant was also
drafted as well. Um, and that not by the Jets,
but just in general. And the kid Jermaine Johnson. I mean,
you know again, Edge Rusher put up incredible stats. People
were talking about him as a top ten pick all

(29:55):
this week. So you know it's the Jets. They'll figure
out a way screw it up. I still don't believe
in Zack Wilson, never have, but in terms of the
three guys that they got in the first round and
filled it out with some nice pieces after. I really
like what the Jets did this weekend. Yeah, I do too.
I mean, and they even tried to downplay it. I've
seen stories about how they tried to downplay all of

(30:16):
the love that they're receiving. Look take it. You know
it's been a while, right, Like everything that you just
said is exactly right. Um. I'd really like Tennessee taking
Malik Willis, especially when they made that decision. And I
love trailing Burke's I really do. I loved watching him
in college, and I understand the rationale. I wasn't a
giant fan with some of the other picks that they made, however,

(30:38):
but I thought that they were worth mentioning. I think
Atlanta helped themselves. Desmond Rittard can play. I think, I mean,
I don't know to what degree, but this is, again,
a team that wasn't going to compete, so why not
take a shot on a kid that believes in himself.
A piece of the Players Tribune was impressive. I like that.

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I also think, look, they've got a veteran defensive coordinator
in Dean P's. Their early picks a solid d N
from Penn State, Troy Anderson out of Montana, who was
a pretty high rated linebacker. They got some help on
that side of the ball, and I think that they're
worthy of mention if nothing else, I don't know. I

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didn't see a lot of drafts where I was just
baffled in the wrong direction. For an entire draft, I
think you could pick at least one good pick out
of just about everybody. But nobody talks about the Jets
and nobody talks about the Falcons, So I thought, yeah,
you know what those two teams did pretty well. Yeah,
I would add the lines to the list too. Um,
you know, obviously, look Aidan Hutchinson, we talked to a

(31:42):
lot about the last two or three weeks. I know
you have some concerns about him. I do think that,
you know, if he doesn't play the best game of
his life, the best game of his season, the best
game of his career against Ohio State in a game
where Michigan dominated, wins, gets the monkey off the back
fifth teen whatever it was, fifteen million people are watching that. Um,

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you know, is the buzz the same? But what I
will also say is, you know, publicly it's a pr win.
I mean, whether he ends up being the guy or not,
it's just it's just a good And the other thing too,
I would say him obviously, Jamison Williams going in the
first round. I love Jamison Williams. Um, you know, for
people who forget he actually I shouldn't like make light

(32:24):
of this, but he got thrown out of the Iron
Bowl for targeting. But I bring it up because he
did it on punt coverage and so you know, I
don't mean to make light of a targeting. It was
a clear targeting. He deserved to get called out or
thrown out. But I bring it up because what Dan
Campbell's trying to do there is get guys in that
building that love football, that eats sleep and breathe it.

(32:45):
Um that that you know, are gonna go to the
ends of the earth, that are gonna bite kneecaps, all
that stuff. And I think those two guys are the
epitome of guys that he wants to have in that building.
So you solidified the offensive line last year, Uh, you
hope fully got your your long term Berner wide receiver,
and you got an edge rusher that can hopefully be

(33:05):
a difference maker there. Obviously the quarterbacks not there yet.
But what I would also say is, um, you know
you have slightly you know. I guess what I would
say is I don't see the scenario where he doesn't
get to continue this rebuild in next year's draft, where
he can hopefully draft Bryce Younger. C J. Stroud. I
really like what the Detroit Lions did well if they
played hard for him. I thought that golf played pretty well.

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He's a solid bridge quarterback. I love Jamison Williams as well.
I'm still not totally sure. Alabama is not the reigning
national champion if he doesn't get hurt in that game.
But you know that's a what if moment. One of
the team I would mention is Baltimore. Baltimore got Kyle
Hamilton's at fourteen. That dude was top five on a
lot of people's draft boards. And they got Tyler Linderbaum,

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who's a center that's that looks to me coming out
of Iowa. He's got like tenure, ten time Pro Bowl
were written all over him at the center position. They
just draft well, David Najabo, who was he dealt with
an injury. If he didn't, he would have been even higher.
The same thing with Jamison Williams, right, so you take
advantage of that. Baltimore often drafts well. They drafted very

(34:11):
very well another guy to Jalen Armor Davis from Alabama
who was another you know, five star guy, didn't really
work out, had some injuries. Next thing you know, he
falls to Baltimore and they draft him. Fox Sports Radio
errant towards Jason Martin. We just told you the teams
that we liked. I got one very clear team. I
was not a fan of what they did we'll discuss
that next Fox Sports. Welcome back everybody, Fox Sports Radio,

(34:34):
Fox Sports Saturday, Eric Torres, Jason Martin here Saturday Night.
So you know what we do. There are times where
you know, you and I, or or at least me,
I can't speak to you. Jason. I think you get
all your opinions percent right. There are plenty of times
where I get a lot of stuff wrong on this show.

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But one thing that I have been pretty adamant about,
and I never understood the media response to this, was
when Davantae Adams got traded to the Las Vegas Raiders
from the Green Bay Packers, and the Green Bay Packers
had an additional first round pick. Everybody said, well, they'll

(35:17):
just do exactly what you and I talked about, you know,
thirty minutes ago. They'll just use the pick to draft,
to draft Davante adams replacement. And I sat there and
I said, wall wait a second. Now we know the
track record last ten years, all these first round picks,
they've drafted one offensive player, and it was Jordan's love

(35:41):
to replace Aaron Rodgers. And now obviously we'll see what
happens with that. I bring it up to say I
know that Green Bay took a wide receiver in the
second round. I know they took one today in the
fourth round, But I just thought, from a pr standpoint,
from an optics standpoint, why do you go with the
two defensive players from Georgia? Even if those are the

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guys that are on your board. This is another wide
receiver class that is stocked. This is another draft where
teams like the Detroit Lions, we just talked about our
trading up to get guys like Jamison Williams. I know
you took a guy in the second I know you
took a guy in the fourth, but you had the
extra pick. What are we doing? Like like like are

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they I'm not even sarcastic? Are they trying to upset
Aaron Rodgers? I don't understand what is so hard about
using a late round, first round pick on a wide
receiver just to make your quarterback happy. No, by the way,
this is the year you kind of need one because
you traded Davante Adams. Am I crazy? Jason Um, You're
not wrong because I thought they might have taken wide

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receivers at both twenty two and right up until all
the ones that were worthy of being taken. With those
spots were gone, they were the biggest losers in the
first round because there was a massive run on wide
receivers before they got there. Now, they would have tried
to move up, but once Burks was gone, there was

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nobody left with the first round grade. The guy that
they did get out of North Dakota State, I believe
he's really good, but he wasn't a first round guy.
The one thing you knew going into this draft was
it was incredibly deep at wide receiver. In that Day two.
You were gonna have some seriously solid players there. I

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think what Green Bay wagered on was once Burks was
gone and you had already seen everybody else that mattered
to already be there, it's just like, all right, well,
we can just wait till they too, because a lot
of these guys kind of grade out pretty similarly. Once
you get past this this group, those six guys that went,
Garrett Wilson alive, Jamison Williams, Johan Dotson, Trailan Burke's after that,

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it got kind of scant in terms of first round grade.
So you don't reach for that position just because it's
a position of need. When it's deep all the way
through injurred at that position, you grab best available. So
they did something to help their football team. They you know,
they had lost to Darius Smith, there were some other
situations that they were gonna have to address, knowing that

(38:11):
they were going to address wideout. Even Aaron Rodgers said
that to McAfee or whatever on Thursday night. They just
they just lost because everybody above them took the position
that they needed and left them with nobody. So they said,
all right, we'll wait till day too, because there are
guys we could reach for right now, but we're gonna
get one of those dudes tomorrow. So I think they

(38:32):
were the losers in round one and did the best
job they could after that point. I just don't know
unless they were gonna move up, and I think that
Tennessee in the move on the A. J. Brown deal,
that deal may not happen if Trailon Burke's is not there.
But they were definitely afraid of a team like the

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Packers at twenty two taken him before they could get
to him at twenty six. They were severely worried about
the Chiefs, for example, but at twenty one potentially taking
him before they could get him. They end up going
to eighteen and getting him, and he was the last
guy where it was like that dude can go and
should go in the first round. So I don't I
understand your point, and I don't entirely disagree. I just

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think you can't be too hard on him considering where
they were picking, unless they were gonna give up assets
to get up higher. Yeah, I and I do think
you can make that move the Detroit lines making the
move to trade up for Jamison Williams really quick. Your
thoughts how much how much cold strange tape did you
break down in the lead up to your draft coverage?
Coal Strange of course, the offensive guard from Chattanooga, first

(39:37):
round pick from the New England Patriots. I know who
he I know who he is. Um, that's because the
Patriots drafted him. I did not know who he was
until yesterday, so that I just let's just be honest
about it. He was, he was a Patriots figu Is
that why you're mentioning it? Because that's who Belichick decided
to go with, Because it's the randomest pick in the
first round that Sean mcveigh's you know, you know, I

(40:00):
I think he got a little miss he I don't
want to say mis quoted because we saw the video.
We'll play you the Sean McVeigh audio later. Coming up.
We continue the conversation on the NFL. We continue conversation
on NBA. Dan Lust joins US Talk Trevor Bauer, Fox
Sports Radio. Welcome in everybody, Fox Sports Radio, Fox Sports Saturday,
Aaron Torres, Jason Martin here Saturday night. About fifteen minutes

(40:24):
from now, Dan Lust, sports law expert, will be joining us.
Dan really, he's gonna have some interesting stuff on not
only Trevor Bauer. But uh, you know, Jason, I want
to talk NBA playoffs. But did you follow this Isaai
oh Wong uh n I L Miami story this week?
Did you follow this story at all that kind of

(40:45):
broke during the NBA Draft NFL Draft? Okay, long story short, Um,
so last week I actually wanted to ask you about this,
but we you know, we had so much to talk about. Um. Basically,
there was a booster on Brown's Miami Hurricanes there um
that they got a commitment from a transfer and the

(41:07):
booster put out on Twitter. Um, welcome to the family.
Blah blah blah blah blah. We have secured this guy
to a two year, eight hundred thousand dollars and I
L deal to support my our business life wallet plus
a free car, and so it was kind of a
crazy thing. Like the booster just went on Twitter and
was like, Yeah, we're paying this guy four hundred thousand

(41:28):
dollars a year, So that in and of itself was interesting.
But then on on I guess it was Thursday during
the NFL Draft, ESPN Johnathan Kavoni and Jeff Borzella put
out a report Miami, of course, coming off an Elite
eight appearance, their best player through his agent, puts out
a statement that says, unless my n i L deal

(41:49):
can be renegotiated, I'm gonna put my name in the
transfer portal because he basically saw what this transfer got, uh,
and he was like, what is SA Now? I was
the best player on an Elite eight team. Why taking
care of this guy and not taking care of me?
And then I guess the kid put out another statement
that said that the agent doesn't speak on behalf of me.
So basically this is where we're at in this n
I L world of just we have agents and and

(42:12):
boosters negotiating publicly for players, the schools can have really
limited contact. I mean, obviously we know that they're having
more contact than they're really allowed to under the rules.
But that was what happened at Miami this this week.
We had a player and a players agent publicly going
back and forth with the booster. Then oh, by the way,
the booster said, Isaiah is very well taken care of,

(42:34):
very well compensated. There will be no further renegotiation on
his contracts. So this is the crazy world of n
I L that everybody wanted. This is a crazy world
that we got. Yeah, I mean you're gonna get Everything
is very complicated and there's not a lot of structure
behind how to do this properly for the athletes, for

(42:56):
those representing them, for these collectives. While while West is
becoming cliche, but it really is accurate because in this case,
I don't know who the sheriffs are. I mean, Mark
Emmert's stepping down, which thankfully, but the n C Double A,
it's not like that's not going to become more of
effectless organization than it already was. It's I just don't

(43:19):
know where this how this comes to a head. Because
the horse is now out of the barn, Like, now
you can shut that door, but the horse is already gone.
Like what exactly are you supposed to do about it?
Like I'm looking at the wrong story as you're talking
about it, and it looks wild, it looks insane. You've
basically got a threat on social media, right like like

(43:40):
from his representation over all of this kind of thing
and then backing off the transfer reportal and doing all this.
This is why I continue to say, Man, if I'm
Jay right, I'm out quick at Villanova. I I that's
all of this. No, you can keep this. I'll go
to the pros or I'll go to TV because I
can make a great living on TV. I don't need this,

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And I get it, like Dabo and a lot of
these guys if I'm a college coach, I know they
get paid a lot of money, But my gosh, what's
the quality of life at this point in time considering
the level of pressure they're constantly under plus this stuff
like this, because this ain't gonna be one off. This
is gonna happen an awful lot or things like this

(44:22):
or things this bonkers. Well, no, and that's exactly right,
is that, you know, I know it's it's first of all,
it's you know, I don't feel bad for the guy
making eight million dollars a year. It's like there's like four,
you know, in college football whatever college basketball, there's three
fifty Division one teams, UM, and there are probably, you know,
probably twenty five guys making life changing money. The rest

(44:46):
of these guys are just holding on for dear life.
And and you know, it's an unfortunate byproduct that we
always talk about intended consequences, but you know, we now have.
And there was another story last night, Jason, I don't
know if you saw this one about Jordan Allison, who
is the UM he was the bolitic call of winner
number one wide receiver in college football last year. UM,
you know, Jordan Addison. Excuse me, I think I said
Jordan Allison, but Jordan Addison. And a report comes out

(45:09):
that he's gonna hit the portal and that he may
already kind of have a landing spot in USC And
so you know, we could talk to to Dan about
all this stuff. Is there anything the n c A
can do legally? We know the reason that all these
rules change because because you know, basically the n c
A went to Court on all this stuff and got
crushed by the Supreme Court. But you know, you know,

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it's just it's it's a really tough world. And and
what's scary to me, and I know people don't care,
like say they don't care, but I think they do care,
is you know, we're we're trending towards a world where
are we gonna have basically everybody being a feeder system
for four or five six teams in each sport. You know,
I mean, in in college football, you have a ballit
Nikov winner playing in the A C C who may

(45:54):
who feels like he can quote unquote get more money
somewhere else. And listen, you know we do this all
the time, but we have to preface it by saying
nobody's anti n I L. Nobody believes that kids shouldn't
get a cut of the pie. But it's like we're
now at a world where, for people don't know, tomorrow
is the deadline to get into the transfer portal to
be eligible next year, and we now have a world
where players are just entering the portal to hold it

(46:18):
over their schools to get more money out of N
I L. Or potentially somebody is getting with them, their representation,
their parents saying why you standing at that school? You
can come here and make way more. And so again
we want kids to get money. We don't want anybody.
You know, we're you know, if you're making millions for
your school, you deserve a cut of the pie. But

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this was something that that nobody, I don't want to
say we didn't see this coming, but to this extreme
where one year in we literally have players just entering
the portal to hold it over their team to put
together a better N I L deal. And oh, by
the way, here's the other thing. Real quick, jameson before
I throw back to you, I don't mean to go
on and on, but you know right now, the way
that everything structured, it's a one year, one off deal.

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You know people say, people say, oh, it's college free agency.
It's not free agency because guess what in the NBA,
in the NFL, Major League Baseball, guys on free agents
every single year. Guys aren't free agents every single day
of every single year where you can enter the portal
if you feel like you can get something better somewhere else.
So what are the answers? I don't know. We can
discuss them. You and I we can bring Dan luston

(47:22):
in the next segment to discuss as well, but I
don't think we can keep going like this. There has
to be some sort of guidelines, some sort of structure,
because I I do think you're gonna see more j
Wrights leave these sports earlier because you know it's cliche,
but it's true. Right now, a major league or uh
an NBA g M and NBA head coach and NFL

(47:42):
GM and NFL head coach, they have more control over
their roster than a college football college pastball coach does.
That's right. And I think your point about free agency
is not something that should exist every day. And that's
something Saban said. And of course because Saban said it, oh,
he's got to have a reason to say it. Well,
one reason he's saying is because it's right. Free agency
is not three hundred sixty five days a year. If

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it was, what would stop Week three from becoming disaster
for a team because somebody's upset and they just decided
they're gonna move on there? Like, there has to be
some kind of structure. There's got to be some kind
of blueprint, rubric, something that has to be followed here.
And I was reading this, and I know you had
said this over the last couple of weeks as well. Look,

(48:24):
there's there's, according to CBS and Matt London Orlander, three
grand for one of the players in this article that
I'm reading right now. He's shopping that for his n
I l rights to pair with a commitment to a school,
and there's numbers around four hundred thousand, and basically saying, look,
if you're this is how this paragraph ends. It says,

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in essence, if your school not willing to align yourself
with a company, or company is willing to pay north
of four hundred thousand for this player, don't bother Like
that's that's where we are. And it's not that I
don't think that that these young men deserve some of this,
as you said, but the fact that it's just so
unregulated and there's just no like there's no way to

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even understand. Like I read these articles at this point
in time and nothing surprises me anymore. Numbers don't surprise me,
decisions don't surprise me. Nothing does. I don't know that
that's the way it should be. We should understand, like
we understand how the mortgage crisis went down. We understand
how the bubble burst in the dot com bubble around
two thousand. All this we get it in retrospect, but

(49:27):
a lot of that was guy's shirking rules and finding
ways to do crazy stuff and regulators sort of taking
their hands off it and allowing the bubble to continue
to grow, enabling it to burst. You can't just let
people go willy nilly forever. Eventually, somebody has to come
up with some degree of enforcement on something so that

(49:49):
we have some clue as to how this should work properly,
so that guys don't get left out in the cold.
And I don't mean coaches. There'll be a lot of
kids to go the transfer portal thinking they've got deals.
Things fall apart. What happens if these kids start leaving?
What are they guarantee playing time? Like, there's there's a
lot of problems that could come from this because it

(50:09):
is so just it's just a dark void, because there's
no rules to legislate it whatsoever. No, And in a
couple of things, one, it's like our parents always tell us,
you know, um, don't you know? It's not all about money.
I don't know if everyone's parents told us that, but
my My mom always told me, you know, it's not
about money. Don't just make decisions solely based on money.

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And I'm not saying don't get paid if you're a kid,
but I am saying is that there's going to be
a lot of bad decisions that are based solely on
money rather than what's the best decision. And the other
thing that I think is especially disappointing Jason is I
understand there's legalities to what you can and cannot how
you can and cannot regulate n I l how you
can and cannot regulate the transfer portal. The one thing

(50:53):
that you can do, though, is come down on some
version of tampering. And I know it's tough and what
is tampering and all this good stuff, but I mean,
when a kid hasn't even entered the portal yet and
Pete Tamil from ESPN and Bruce Feldman from Fox Sports
are saying that he is already being linked to USC,
that is blatant tampering, and that is something you can

(51:14):
regulate in control. So what are the answers? How do
you fix some of this stuff? As you said a
minute ago, the tooth bases out of the tube, We're
never gonna it's never gonna go back to two thousand
nine where you have to sit out a year and
like like and it's okay. The world. The world evolves
one time. Transfer is a good thing. The transfer portal
creates excitement. Uh, players shouldn't be beholden to schools that

(51:35):
they don't want to be at. But this also wasn't
intended to be a situation where again, twenty four hours
before the transfer deadline, players are just entering the portal
to hold n I L above their coaches head or
their program's head, to try not viable, it's not viable
long term. This is this article. It's CBS N this
way an a c C coach, and we could have

(51:55):
fun trying to figure out which a CC coach said this.
But here's the why can't we go back to how
it was just have someone drop a bag, go back
to when it was cheating before. I like that world.
I will tell you really quick. I talked to an
assistant coach Power Conference school in basketball this week and
he essentially said the same thing. He said to me.
He said, you know, we put in all these rules

(52:16):
to eliminate cheating. And he said there's more cheating now.
There's more cheating. There's more cheating now because the money
is above board. Because some of these schools have collectives
because some of them are ahead of the game, some
of them are behind. And by the way, you're seeing
schools now scrambling. I saw Arizona State announce a collective
this week because because they lost a bunch of players

(52:36):
to the portal, and a couple of them were very
public about um, you know, uh, you know. I just
want to see what my options are. I actually saw
a random story, but Wichita State basketball had a player
enter the portal come back after it was announced that
he that he had some n I L stuff lined up.
So listen, week we could continue this conversation coming up,
uh Dan lost sports law expert Legal expert Will joy

(53:00):
is next to discussed that as well as the crazy
Trevor Bauer story, which I want to get into as well.
Aaron Towards, Jason Martin, Fox Sports Radio, Welcome back everybody,
Fox Sports Radio. Aaron Torres, Jason Martin here on a
Saturday night. Don't want to waste any more time. Let's
get straight out to the phones. Joining us now, My

(53:21):
good buddy Dan Lust sports attorney. You've heard him on
these Fox Sports radio airwaves many times. Law professor at
New York University and the host of the Conduct Detrimental
podcast Dan Lost. What's going on man? How you doing?
Aaron Jason pleasure to join you guys in this lovely
Saturday night. So, Dan, you know, I want to start with, unfortunately, frankly,

(53:43):
a very serious topic, and that is the current situation
with Trevor Bauer, the former cy Young Award winner. We
find out yesterday a three hundred twenty four game suspension,
two full seasons on top of what he has already served.
This after um, you know, the courts found you know,

(54:04):
the courts, for my understand he dismissed all the charges.
So when you saw the news about Trevor Bauer, I
think we all had a certain reaction. I'm curious what
your first reaction was when you saw the Trevor bauns
So first and foremost, I think people should know it's
a two year suspension, but it's the longest suspension in
the history of base post domestic violence policy that includes
guys like Jose Reyes or elders Chapman. You can go

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through the books. Um, you know, the longest one before
this was a year, so it's double the length of
the next closest one. So you know, Aaron, you asked
me what my initial reaction was, Um, you know, the
only one. There has been one allegation that went to
the court system. As you noted, it was a restraining
order that the court denied. The judge made a you
know the comment, and you know you and I were
out in the court room. Um, but the judge made

(54:46):
a comment that the petition that was filed there was
a quote from her holding was materially misleading. So that's
the judge's way of saying she didn't find that to
be credible. So that case was thrown out. There are
there was one other accusers that we knew about. UM,
But I said, if if baseball is going to make
a record breaking suspension, I really hope that there's something

(55:07):
else out there, right that it wasn't just largely based
on the one that the judged throughout. So that was
my initial reaction. UM. And then Aaron and Jason, I think,
as you guys know, we did get a little bit
more news after this than a third accuser did emerge,
So you know, my my initial gulf was right that
there had to have been something else. But I don't
know what that third person said. I don't know how
Baseball found them to be or if they found them

(55:29):
to be credible. Um, but we are you know where
there are isn't other accusers and there might be some
more teeth out there. Dan, is it possible that MLB
had an easier time going for the optics here because
Bauer is kind of, well, not kind of incredibly unpopular.
He's unpopular among other players, he's unpopular in the game,

(55:50):
he's unpopular among fans. Like this was not a sympathetic figure.
In fact, it was the opposite. Yeah, I think. I
think he can't avoid it, right because the Dodgers contract
is conveniently running for those two years. The Dodgers don't
have the same anymore. So I'm sure the Dodgers didn't
find him to be so sympathetic. And I remember the
story it came out last years that the Dodgers players
had all unfollowed him, I think even before that civil

(56:13):
case was over. So you have that Dodger's element, you
have the fact that he's been very outspoken against Rob
Manford in particular. So I don't think those factors helped him,
but that that seems to be the narrative online, right,
like we need some transparency from Major League Baseball or else.
This looks like, you know, Manford taking some liberties with
the guy who was just not that popular. Um, so

(56:33):
I think that's a fair read on it. You know, unfortunately,
the Collective Bargain Agreement prevents Major League Baseball from being
transparent at this specific conduct that resulted in this type
of suspension. But you know, I, I just I find
it too convenient that the guy that you know, Manford,
haints that you know, Ballard has gone after him very
very particularly with some certain comments, that's the guy to

(56:56):
get the record breaking suspension. So I just I find
it to be very convenient when without us knowing the
specific facts, maybe these additional allegations, uh you know, it's
it's I don't know, just it's just lintop so I, uh,
you know, there's three there's three accusers out there, but again,
Howard doesn't have any active litigation against them. There's never
been a criminal charge files against them. And for that

(57:17):
type of person to get, you know, this record breaking
suspension is odd when and that domestic violence list I
told you about. Guys, there have been people that have
been arrested charged by the d a's office. Has not
happened to Trevor Baller. Dan Lust joining eron towards Jason
Martin here on Fox Sports Radio, followed Dan on Twitter
at sports Law Lust again, law professor, New York University,

(57:37):
host of the Conduct Detrimental podcast. Dan, you know, correct
me if I'm wrong, but this this has a feel
of some of the stuff that Roger Goodell has done
through the years. Judge Jerry Executioner especially, you know the
one that immediately came to mind. I know it's different circumstances,
but Ezekiel Elliott got that suspension. Um there were no charges.
I seem to remember um. Roger Dell's own investigator from

(58:01):
the NFL said, you know, Roger should probably sit this
one out. Zeke still gets that suspension. Is that a
fair analogy? Do you think is it unfair? And then
kind of going forward, like Trevor Bauer very vocally right
away said I plan on appealing. This doesn't appeal matter. Like, like,
I guess what I would say with the appeal is
is he appealing directly to Rob Manfred, because we know

(58:22):
how it works when you appeal to the guy that
just handed out the punishment, much what like the NFL
with Roger Goodell. So it's a little bit different. And
I think the first thing I probably should have mentioned
a time, Right, just just because Trevor bau was exonerated
in the legal system doesn't mean that those same exact
charges can't result in a type of suspension because Baseball's
burden of proof is much lowered. Something close. It's mysterious, right,

(58:44):
We don't know what Rob Manfred wants to do. What
he thinks is violent, um, but it's much lower than
we'll say. It's like credible evidence is what is what
we said? You have to find something there. So um,
you know that's number one. If he does appeal this,
it will go to a separate arbitrate that doesn't necessarily
go to Manfred the same way that does um in football.
But he would challenge the appeal, right, So you know,

(59:04):
there's a reading of this online which people are saying
is that, hey, major League Baseball wanted to look good
on the optics and maybe give him more righte a
two year suspension When I think one year probably was
more in line with cast precedent, and then maybe if
it gets reduced, Baseball still happy. So they look good
with the optics that they gave two years, and if
it gets reduced, it's it's to one year. That's a

(59:24):
theory that's being floated out there. Um, but I think
your your Zeke get you know, the Zeke example is fine.
You know, at the end of the day, these leagues
get to decide, and it's not at court. It's not
there's no jury, it's not beyond reasonable doubt. It's if
the commissioner wants to suspend you, they'll suspend you, you know,
on the on the football side of the coin, right,
Deshaun Watson. You know, after all these a number of

(59:48):
its users spoke to Goodell in the NFL back in
October and November. Goodell came out and said, we don't
have enough evidence to put him on the examp list.
I mean, certainly was hearing one side of the story.
I would think he had enough to put him on
the exact list, but he didn't want to make that move.
And Manfred is you know, obviously taking the opposite rapt
here Dan, is it possible that this could influence the

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NFL making some kind of a different decision on de
Shaun Watson, because obviously they could still put them on
a commissioner's example list at some point. Would this potentially
add more fuel to that fire? Considering some public, some
members of the public, certainly some women, I would imagine
we're gonna come out and be like, look, you're gonna
let baseball do it, but you're gonna let this guy
play football. Right, It's it's the optics, it's and I

(01:00:33):
tried to make that point as clearly and as uh,
you know, I don't know, I'm not only in trouble,
but I'm just pointing it out right. One guy gets
suspended for two years and another guy gets two thirty
million dollar contract a hundred percent guaranteed. One of them
has no legal cases against them, civil or criminal, and
the other one is twenty two active cases. So for
one player to essentially be banned from the sport and
the other one to be getting rolled out the red carpet,

(01:00:56):
the optical look very poor. So I think it does
apply x eventually more pressure on on Goodell. Obviously different sports,
he's not bound by what Manford does, but I do
think it's going to apply a little bit more pressure,
and I you know, I think I think Watson's team,
uh to just look at the way they structured that contract.
It's only a million dollar based for this upcoming season.

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I think they structured it that way because they expected
a suspension this year. So that's you know, if I'm
not you guys know, I'm a betting man. I do
think a suspension is coming this year. That was going
to be my very next question, you know, to transition
to Deshaun Watson. Obviously we know that that the d
A did not bring charges, but as you said, twenty
two active cases still going. What is the next step,
whether it is in the legal part, you know, whatever

(01:01:38):
it would be for Deshaun Watson, what would be that
next step. I mean, here's I guess. The most recent
development is that the both sides have agreed to hold
off the potential trial into the case until after this
year's Super Bowl. So that's a long time. They did
not have to do that. They could have had the trial,
I guess during the season. It would have been done
a little bit quicker. Um, you know, but we're going

(01:01:58):
through the deposition phases. I think there's just going to
be a dark window on the case during the course
of the season. So if Watson suspended, I mean, certainly
I could have let his legal case go a little bit.
But I think these civil cases are gonna be hanging
around for a while. And that's really because of what
the Shawn Watson said his press conference. He goes his
intent is not to settle him and to take them
to trial and to prove his innocence. So this is

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not if you're Brown Sam listening to this. It's a
case that's that's not going to go away soon. And
if Watson does settle him, I think it increases the
likelihood for a longer suspension, right because it's almost some
admission of guilt if you go ahead and settle and
you pay out on all twenty two of these cases.
So yeah, I mean, short of some settlement, this is
going to trial, and again, because the scheduling order, the
trial can't occur until after the Super Bowl. Right now, Dan,

(01:02:43):
we were talking about n I O and in college
and how ridiculous it all is in the last segment
watching this from a legal mind, from a legal perspective,
just the lack of framework, the lack of structure, the
lack of really any semblance of how to do this
properly to benefit all sides, and all this watching this
from yours, from your angle and your perspective, what are

(01:03:06):
you thinking watching this? And how complicated and nuts this
whole thing appears to be right now, I just think
it's setting up for people to kind of, you know,
put themselves with hot water. I mean, I guess, uh,
I just I don't know when the n C is
gonna step up. I'm I'm very surprised that they haven't already.
We're basically almost a full year into the n I

(01:03:28):
l R, and they've sense we've just been ghosts, right,
I think, you know, at least I've heard that they've
downsized a little bit of overt n A h Q right,
Emirates stepping down. It's like, okay, so who's gonna take
the wheel? Right, Who's gonna Who's gonna at some point
ride this ship and provide some type of oversight here?
So you know what we have? And I and I
consulted people on this. When they call me and they

(01:03:48):
ask me questions, I go listen that what this school
or what this booster might be doing I think is
technically illegal, it's technically against the spirit of n I L.
But honestly, no one's gonna say anything about it. So
we're all operating in change of gray and people feel
very comfortable pushing the limit, and there's no sheriff in
town to control it. So I think it's just an
odd scenario that continues to uh, you know, give us lawyers,

(01:04:12):
you know, kind of you know, shivers, because there's no
one there's one controlling anything. So that was gonna be
my question, Dan, and it's the last one for me.
Dan lust joining us. Make sure you're following him on
Twitter at sports law lust. Um, if the next n
c A president came to you and said, listen, we
want kids to make money. We want uh, we want
everybody to to get a cut of the pie. But

(01:04:33):
we can't just have the system that we have now.
But we also can't just get be getting sued left
and right. Is there anything that can be done? Are
there any guidelines that can be put in place that
from a legal perspective, doesn't put you in the crosshairs
of a lawsuit impending lawsuit for this this n i
L era, Because I think all three of us seem
to be an agreement. We want these kids to get paid.

(01:04:55):
But but like there's got to be some rules somewhere now,
So so what would you say to that? I mean,
it's pretty easy there, and maybe this is my official
platform for n C A president. Right. Um, I think
the federal law gets it done. I think all of
these states are taking advantage of their local politicians and
you know, for better for worse, right, the schools that
have the ends with the politicians who can get stuff

(01:05:16):
pushed through, beating Alabama or Florida, those states and those
schools continue to gain advantages. Um. So I think if
you have a federal law in the books, listen, you
have a national championship. You can't be won in state
political houses, right. I think a national law, um, you know,
for better for worse cleans up the game and it
you know, gives the nscation cover because they're just abiding

(01:05:38):
by state law or by federal law at that point. Right,
Like as you can walk into a bar and why
the drinking ages twenty one? Same thing in Florida, same
thing in South Dakota. It's maybe not a good rule,
but it's a clean rule. And that's why people don't
jump over state lines. Right, if you live on the
board of New York, New Jersey, you don't go to
New Jersey because the drinking ages nineteen or eighteen, Right,
you stay, you stay home. And then I think, you know,
if you go see who I'm going with it. It It

(01:05:58):
impacts recruiting battles as of today, but a federal law
I think kind of normalizes this and you know, prevents
these type of weird recruiting battles that are being brought
with DAGs of cash. Right, it would just be playing
time coaches, you know how you like the campus uh,
you know, the purist type argument. So I think that's
the way to solve it. I think the next NA
president has to start lobbying Congress to really get a

(01:06:20):
federal bill pass. So I was gonna ask one quick question.
We gotta get you out of here. Dan, It's laid
over there on the East coast for you. But you know,
this was kind of mark Emirates, if you want to
call it an excuse. He he literally until like June
twenty eight last year, was just waiting on some sort
of federal oversight. Is that something that is realistic? Is
that something that the courts care enough about to actually

(01:06:42):
step you know, step step up to do or is
that something as you just said maybe a minute ago,
that the next president really needs to lobby and explain
the importance of There's a number of bills that are
out there that just you know, they're collecting gust because
people will stopped caring about them. But I think if
you have the right president with the right connections in charge,
I think they can push it through and right. Maybe
people in Alabama will get mad at me for saying

(01:07:03):
this from Florida because those guys are ahead of the
n i L game, But listen, if we want to compact,
you know, protect competitive bound, something's got to be done
in the federal level. Also to help our international athletes
who are not getting n i L deals because they're
on work visas and student visas is always complicated stuff
that has to be done at the federal level. So
for a number of reasons which we don't have time
to get into here, but I think a federal bill

(01:07:23):
is a way to really help the purists and also
get these kids paid. Dan Lust you can follow him
on Twitter at sports Law Lust also the co host
of The Conduct detrimental podcast, law professor at New York University. Dan,
we know you're busy, we know it's late. We appreciate
you staying up with us and making a smarter man.
Thank you for the time. Sports law never sleeps, that boy,

(01:07:46):
it never sleeps. Uh. It's like being a coach, right,
they say, like the phone never goes off because because
stuff is always going on. So that was Dan. Lust
always makes this smarter. Follow him on Twitter at sports
Law Lust coming up a little reac action of what
Dan said. But first let's get back to Steven Sager.
Find out what's trying, what's going on to singer? Good
stuff there Dodger Stadium and there's one ball game still

(01:08:08):
going l as Hide with Detroit one one on the
top of the fifth. But a little franchise history as
Clayton Kershaw has become the all time leader in strikeouts
in Dodger history. In fact, longtime baseball writer Jason Stark
of the Athletics says, the list of guys that have
at least total strikeouts and are this close to an
average of ten strikeouts per nine innings for their career,

(01:08:30):
it's it's just four guys. Clayton Kershaw, Max scherz Er,
Pedro Martinez, and Randy Johnson. As for what you were
talking about with Trevor Bauer, this is a guy who
was due to her in sixty four million dollars from
the Dodgers over the final two years of his contract.
So when he complains about this woman from San Diego
last year, was just after money. Maybe so, but if

(01:08:53):
you've got that kind of contract, you need to stop
meeting strangers online. We have to actually say that, even
if that's what they want to, you know. And Trevor
Bauer apparently had no intention of cooperating with MLB, no
meeting about the oncoming suspension, retaining his right to disagree
and appeal, of course, but that's his tach and unlike
other players, there was no negotiated suspension with MLB, and

(01:09:15):
maybe that's the reason why it was a longer suspension
that than we expected from this. The l a d
A did not pursue criminal charges against him, but not
pressing charges had little to do with Baseball's own investigation
that results in the suspension, a ten month investigation, not
only talking to the woman from San Diego from last year,

(01:09:36):
but the woman from Ohio from a couple of years
ago when he pitched with the Reds. There was also
a woman that Washington Post story that he referenced that
they had a relationship dating best dating back almost a decade,
and Bauer was accused by her of choking her unconscious
without consent, and he strongly denies all of this. But
these were people that MLB interviewed and took it all

(01:09:57):
into consideration. Bauer was being paid while on administratively missing
the second half of last season, all of this year
so far. What if, for example, after appeal and who
knows when that will be heard, it's reduced from say
two years, two year and a half or something. I
would guess from the Dodgers perspective, as long as it
gets him out of their hair and this situation is

(01:10:19):
done and they don't have to worry about him coming
back to the stadium and the locker room, and who
knows how he would be viewed by teammates. It's not
even a money thing. I bet with them entirely. If
they could just say, Okay, he only has these two
years left on a counter, fine, make it a year
in five months of this whatever, I bet they would say, fine,
just as long as he's not coming back here, because

(01:10:41):
this is you could say, still hanging over their head, right,
because there's still an appeal. This is not final. And
of course the manager was asked about this yesterday when
it came down, and that was one of his points.
It's not quite over yet. Meanwhile, on the happy side,
Clayton Kershaw is on the mountain and the top of
the fifth. Two outs in this one one tie with Detroit.
Clayton Kershaw passed Don Sutton for most strikeouts in Dodger history,

(01:11:03):
approaching two thousand, seven hundred in his career. Number three
on the Dodger list is Don Drysdale. Number four is
Sandy Kofax. Also in the Dodger top tenning case Fernando Vellenezuela,
Oral Hirsheiser, and Ramone Martinez. It's one one going to
the bottom of the fifth in l A now Baltimore
in ten and Ings beat Boston two to one on
an error. Pittsburgh in ten and Ings beat San Diego

(01:11:25):
seven to six on an error. In fact, two runs
bottom of the tenth got the Pirates that victory. Yankees
won their eighth in a row. Miami won a seventh
straight game. Milwaukee won its fifth in a row, Texas
and Colorado with wins. The Rockies victory was four three
over the red Cincinnati has lost five games in a
row and the Reds record is three and eighteen. The

(01:11:45):
NBA Playoffs second round starts tomorrow, NASCAR's on FS one
Sunday from Dover three pm Eastern Time, and the NFL
Draft concluded today with rounds four through seven in Las Vegas.
The final selection Mr Irrelevant quarterback from Iowa State Brock
Purty to the San Francisco forty Niners. Undrafted QB Jack
Cone from Notre Dame and Wisconsin signed with the Colts.

(01:12:08):
The Bears cut quarterback Nick Foles, And just for one
certain person on this show, can we find an update
of the USFL game tonight? Because on Fox at Birmingham
the Stallions are winners, ladies and gentlemen, undefeated at home.
They beat in the New Orleans Breakers two. I thought
I got worked up about spring football in the lack

(01:12:30):
of a need for it, and then I started working
with Jason Martin and I realized, Okay, there's passion, and
then there's Jason Martin passion on on the USFL. So uh, yeah,
passion on SFL. Let's let's leave it at that. Like
things that don't exist with they don't have names. You said,
if a tree falls in the forest. How about if
a touchdown scored in an empty stadium Birmingham playing it's

(01:12:52):
not empty, it's all the other teams when they play
in Birmingham, then it's an empty stadium. No comment, trying.
We got a lot of guys working hard out there.
They're giving it. They're all both teams playing hard. Man.
Wasn't that Rashid Lawless? Hard? All right? Thank you, Steve
di Seger. Uh. Fox Sports Radio, Aeron Torres, Jason Martin

(01:13:14):
here Saturday night. I'll tell you what we're gonna do
to Sega. Just got us caught up on everything going on.
We'll come back react to some of the stuff that
Dan said. Uh. Dan Lust of course just joined us.
He did an incredible job breaking down both the Trevor
Borur situation and the current situation with n I L
and College Sports. Aeron Torres, Jason Martin will come back
respond to Dan Lust. Fox Sports Radio, Welcome back everybody,

(01:13:35):
Fox Sports Radio, Fox Sports Saturday Aaron Torres, Jason Martin
wrapping up our two. We are on until to a
m Eastern time. You know, Jason, I wanted to ask
you about some of the stuff that Dan talked about.
Dan lust just joined US Sports Legal Experts Sports Law Expert.
But you know I heard one of the shows during
the break talking about the Jerry West fiasco Winning Time.

(01:13:59):
With Winning Time, we'll what do you make of the
news Jerry West. I'm sure everybody's seen the story by now,
but obviously Winning Time a story about the Showtime Lakers
off the Jeff Peerlman book, A little bit of dramatization,
you know, a little bit of Hollywood innuendo added to
the show. Jerry West, not happy, has threatened to take

(01:14:21):
you know, take the producers to court. Uh what what'd
you make when when he saw Jerry West not happy?
I talked to somebody who very plugged into NBA circles,
played a lot of college basketball, and one thing he
said was, well, always kind of heard Jerry West is
not the best dude in terms of he's the kind
of guy that would do this, that would react this way. Um,

(01:14:46):
I don't think that Adam McKay was attempting to make
a documentary here. He's taking creative license. But that's what
Adam McKay does. And The Big Show it's still the
best thing he's ever been associated with. To me, it's
one of the two three best movies in the last
ten years, and it's tremendous. But Adam McKay takes a

(01:15:08):
creative license. And then Jeff Perlman book. It was a
good book, but I mean, really and truly, Adam McKay
being a Lakers fan, it just comes across to me
like he idolized Magic Johnson, so he portrays him as
a womanizer. And then everybody else is kind of buffoonish,
even Kareem, Like they talked about Kareem being self spoken
and not a leader and all this, and Kareem didn't

(01:15:29):
care for that. Jerry West comes across in a way
that he doesn't like being depicted. But it ain't Jerry West.
It's an actor portraying you like you. You don't want
to you don't want to overreact to this, right like that.
That doesn't that doesn't do you any benefit. This past week,
I think they had Larry Bird, and Larry Bird walked
into the facility carrying a Budweiser can and it's like,

(01:15:52):
is that Larry Bird. No, I know he's a hic
from French lique. I get all this, but there's creative
license being taken. There's a lot of fiction behind the fact.
It's all done for entertainment purposes. To me, I can
understand why Jerry West would not want to be portrayed
this way. But I don't think people are looking at
this like it's gospel. It's just a television show. And

(01:16:15):
so I kind of shrugged my shoulders at and said, Jerry,
you're gonna have to have thicker skin than that man. Like,
I don't think anybody meant anything by this. It's just
the way they're portraying you is more interesting than you
in real life, in the way in the story that
they're telling. Yeah, I'll say a couple of things, you know.
One I have not had the chance he had to
start to start the show. I am excited. I have
read the Jeff Proman book. It's very good. Um. You

(01:16:38):
know what I what I would say, I think sometimes
in life two things can be true. Um. I I
actually kind of do understand where Jerry West is coming from.
And I'll just kind of give you a quick example
of my life. But about a month ago, I did
kind of like an extensive sit down interview, like long
form interview for a podcast. And I bring it up
because I thought it was just you know, me kind

(01:17:00):
of talking about my career whatever. And the guy that
did the interview, he actually, to his credit, like did
his homework and talked to you know, talk to like
my sister and my mom and whatever. And when he
started asking, he started asking me like very personal questions,
which was, okay, it's like whatever. But I started to realize, like,
you know, there there's a level where, you know, people

(01:17:22):
started asking you questions or people start you know, talking
about your past and and maybe you have a different
view of things the way that other people do. And
so when this guy started asking me stuff, it was like,
you know that one I'm gonna have to sit out.
I know my mom said this, but that's not really
how I remember. And I don't really want to go
there right now. And so I understand where Jerry West
could kind of be like, come on now, like, you know,

(01:17:43):
that's not who I was. I don't want to be
depicted that way. But I also do think that there
there is a line in the sand word you have
to be like, okay, like this is a TV show. Um,
my reputation is gonna be scarred and ruined by this now.
Like if they start, you know, just making up stuff
about like criminal activity or you know, womanizing. And he's
been married to his wife for fifty years, I could

(01:18:04):
understand where he would have a problem with that. But
to me, I kind of do think, like it's a dramatization,
it's not affecting your career. And here's the other thing,
Like Jerry Center, Jerry West was an eccentric guy. Like
like in the Jeff Proman book, they talked about the
fact that he could not be in the arena during games.
He had to go to his car and drive around
the parking lot and listen on on radio stuff like that.

(01:18:26):
He had a uh, you know, a checker childhood, which
kind of led to some of his you know, eccentricies
as an adult. So to me, I just sit there
and say, I see both sides. I see where he
doesn't want somebody else depicting his life to other people.
But it also is a TV show. As you said,
I haven't had the chance to see it, but it
seems as though everybody there's a little bit of a

(01:18:47):
hollywoodization if you yeah, yeah, and look, I just if
you're going out and saying this is factual, that's one thing,
but they're not. And that's not what Adam McKay does.
I mean, the Big Short again is a close to
see has done it. But I mean, if you saw
a vice, it's not like what they were portraying. And
Vice was designed to be accurate. It was designed to
be entertaining, and at this case at the expense of

(01:19:08):
Dick Cheney and his family and everything else. And that
was the political side. This this just just this is
just made for television. It's just him doing his kind
of eccentric, over the top brand of comedy slash drama.
That's a little bit edgy. It's just just what he does.
It's just just another example of it. Whether you like
it or not. Is there respect to the fact that
Jerry West shouldn't take offense to a fake Jerry West

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because that's not No. I don't think aybody season says, boy,
don't you see that that's Jerry West? I no, no, no, no, yeah.
And I think what Jerry West doesn't realize is that
people just don't really care that much about Jerry West.
Uh So, anyway, Jerry West, we'll speaking to the NBA.
By the way, we'll switch up talk the NBA playoffs
they ramp up tomorrow. Fox Sports Radio, Welcome back everybody.

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Fox Sports Radio eron towards Jason Martin here Saturday night,
taking you till to a m Eastern time. Bernie for
It will join us about an hour from now, get
you caught up on all things Vegas to Sega. Will
join us for an extended segment at the end of
this hour. A lot going on in the world of sports.
Lead the show talking NFL Draft. We'll get back to

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that in a little bit, Jason, But do you gotta ask,
you know NBA playoffs for I think tonight's the first
night that we've had no games, so we we we
have no games, but part of that is because we
are officially into Round two. Tomorrow at one pm Eastern
will have Milwaukee Boston game one. Following that will have

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Golden State Memphis game one, and then of course Monday
night affiliate Miami Dallas at Phoenix. We're through one round.
What would you say is the most surprising thing to
you that we've seen so far in these playoffs. That's
a good question. I guess maybe Brooklyn going down that way.

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Let's do a Brooklyn conversation. Everyone's got some steam on Brooklyn.
Go ahead, but go ahead continue, I mean without getting
into much detail, because we can talk about it in
a lot more detail. Um, them not getting a game
in that series isn't mind boggling considering the talent of
the two superstars on that squad. When you add into
it whatever happened with Ben Simmons and just horrible decision

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making seemingly around that franchise now over the last couple
of seasons, that that's just baffling to me, just just
blows my mind how poorly that has gone, even though
I am not surprised that they haven't won a championship,
to just get swept, to be out of it that way,
and Durant to say something I disagree with Kyrie to

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say something just insane in the wake of it that
it's probably that, I mean, mostly other things you could
have seen coming. The other thing is just Philadelphia, here
we go again and beats hurt and beats her. He
was hurt. They put him in. You got Doc Rivers
saying things when he doesn't need to about his own record.
They get through it, Harden what's hard and gonna be

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and then just again getting an injury in Phoenix. You've
got Booker coming back from that. There's some interesting stuff here.
I think that the story, though, has to be that
Brooklyn basically just had nothing for Boston. I knew Boston
was good. I didn't realize they were this good until
I saw them dismantle one guaranteed Hall of famer and

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another guy with Hall of Fame talent who unfortunately is
his own worst enemy. So it's yeah, I mean, if
we're doing the glasses half full, everything's positive kumbaya. The
biggest surprise is Boston being this awesome. But I also
think the more interesting conversation is on Brooklyn. So let's
start there because I'm with you man, you know, it's funny.
I mean, I remember filling in with Dan Dan Buyer

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maybe six weeks ago, five weeks ago. It was kind
of end of March madness, you know, week or two
left in the NBA regular season, and we talked Brooklyn
and it was awful, one of these big Thursday night
games and they didn't play well. And Dan's talking and
Dan's a huge NBA gut, huge Bucks fan, knows that
organization really well, and he's just like, I don't see
it with Brooklyn. I just don't see it. And I

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was one of those guys that said, like, this is
the NBA. Players take off the regular season, they're hot
and cold. It doesn't matter. They'll get hot in the playoffs.
I'm not saying they're gonna win the we you know,
win the title. I'm not even saying they'll make the finals.
But they'll figure it out when they need to. And
it just never happened. And I think, you know, there's
a lot of things specifically with Brooklyn that you know,

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individually Kyrie Ben Simmons will discuss in a minute. I
also thinking it's something we talked about last week because
we were on air obviously, you know, as they were eliminated.
I think if you're one, if you're somebody in um
you know, the league office in the n b A,
and you're worried about the regular season, you're worried about
players caring, players playing games like I think this was

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a good thing for the holistic NBA as a whole.
Now individually, you don't want your maybe the second best
player in the world, the first best player in the world,
depending on how you feel about Kevin or you don't
want himut of the playoffs in the first ground, just
like you don't want Lebron James not in the playoffs
at all. But this was a tough year for those
teams that thought that they could just show up and
you know, we'll take a game off here, and we'll

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take a game off there. And Kyrie he's got his
little COVID vaccine thing and he's not gonna play, but hey,
as long as he's back for the playoffs, or he'll
only play whatever. The point being is that at the
end of the day, I think a lot of people's
frustration with the NBA. I know it's my biggest frustration.
The stars tell you the regular season doesn't matter, and
if they tell you that they're not fully engaged in

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the regular season, then guess who else isn't gonna be
the fans. I can only talk about myself, but I
know there's a lot of people that feel that way.
So the fact that these teams went down, crashed and
burned had no answers. Where you have a Boston, you
have a Memphis, you have um, you know, Phoenix, these
teams that were so engaged all season long that took

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every game. Seriously, I'm not saying the superstar should play
eighty two games. I understand that it is about April
May June. I understand you want to be playing your
best in the in the playoffs, but you can't just
dismiss the regular season entirely, which is essentially what Brooklyn did,
essentially what the Lakers did. I think it's good for
the league that the Brooklyn Nets had to swallow this

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pill and say, you know what, we gotta go back
to the drawing board. And part of having success next
year is probably actually having some of these guys play
together before April one, a week or two before the
playoffs start. Yeah, two years ago, I said the best
thing for the NBA would would be to have a
finals with some of these teams that were great in
the regular season, and we kind of got it with

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Milwaukee and Phoenix last year. I said at the time, like,
if you talk and breakthrough, if you could see a
team that had the number one record, that busted it
all season long, make it there, then that would be relevant. Well, look, now,
the teams with the high seeds. They're the ones that
are still playing by and large right now in the NBA.

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That is a good thing for the league. It's an
excellent thing for the league. It's not in terms of, yeah,
you want Lebron in your playoffs, you want Kevin Durant
in your playoffs. But in the short term, if you
can just make people believe that the rest of these
teams have a chance and that there's a lot of
talent across this league, we're going to watch it. That's

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what the NFL does best. They create parody. We know
who the good teams are generally going to be in
the NFL, but there's a forty turnover rate in playoff
teams from one year to the next because there's not
as many teams that make it. In the n b A.
I still think there's too many teams that make the playoffs,
and I think that again devalues the regular season because

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you've got a team you can easily get into the
playoffs with a losing record. In the NBA like that,
that that can happen. So I think that that's one thing.
But if you look at the teams that are still playing,
you've got some stars here You've got some stars in
all these series. Tatum might be a top five player
in the league. Yeah, us obviously is. Steph Curry has
been willing to come off the bench and let Jordan

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Pole be the star of the Golden State Warriors. They're
playing against John Morant, who's gonna be one of the
faces of the league probably for the next decade if
barring injury and Bead hopefully is gonna be healthy. But
you've got him and whatever's left of James Harden. Miami's
a one seed Distill don't get talked about enough. Phoenix.
We know what Phoenix is. And Dallas has got Luca
Like You've got star power across these series. The one

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that sticks out, I think Milwaukee Boston is gonna be
an awesome series. But man, I can't wait to see
Golden State in Memphis because you want to talk about
up and down basketball. There's a lot of swag for
that Memphis team, and we know how Golden State used
to sling it around when they were really rolling. I
think that is going to be so much fun to

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watch before we get to uh these next rounds. I
think trade Hosmer now just tweeting, and I think he
brings up a good point. So the problem for Brooklyn
as it was in Boston, is Kyrie Irving as talented
as he is, both teams were, Yeah, both teams better
without him. He has to go, what are the Brooklyn
Nets do? I mean they should get out from underneath Kyrie.
He's absolutely right. Kyrie without Lebron James has been basically

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a time bomb for the franchises he's been with. But
Boston him sitting on the sidelines during their playoff series
lost a few years ago, that was a horrible look. Man.
I remember us, I remember people in this industry, not us,
because we don't think he's one of us. To do
at this point, Remember when the day and Thomas was
on the sidelines in a playoff game. He has head down,
his helmet was on, he had like a jacket on.

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People crucified him for months for that, that Kyrie thing.
I will never forget just how poor that looked, how disengaged,
and how this is all about me that that looked.
I don't think Kyrie Irving being a centerpiece of your team.
That dude's got insane talent, like beyond good. And I

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don't want to manywhere near a franchise that I root
for because I can't trust him. I can't and and
and Durant came out this week and said, look, it's
a lot more than basketball. It's us being friends and
dotted and all of so stuff like that's cool and all. Katie,
I'm glad that that that winning a championship is as
important to you because you're probably not gonna win one
as long as that dudes with you, because how can

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you trust that at this point in time? And these
dudes are getting older? And the one thing that we
are noticing throughout these series, right, whether it's Maxie, whether
it's Pool, whether it's Morant, whether it's Desmond Baine, whether
it's Tatum, all these teams, oh yeah, Edwards Aunt, they're
loaded with young dudes entering their prime. And as great

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as Durant is, how much longer is he going to
be able to do this? Because Tatum halfway locked him
down and he disengaged a little bit because I really
believe in his heart of hearts, he did not think
that they had a shot to win a title and
he was ready to go home at that point. I
will make one kind of off the beaten path, point

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this is between the NBA and the NFL. If you
look at what happened with A J. Brown going to Philadelphia,
Davante Adams going to the Raiders, and there's a couple
of other instances in this as well. Folks, we need
to start paying attention when athletes start commenting on their
desire to play with X, Y or Z. Davante Adams

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a year and a half ago said he would love
to play with his old college teammate and his good
buddy Derek Carr. Where's he playing? Jalen Hurt said, I
tried to get A J. Brown to Alabama. Then you
find out he went to Howie Roseman for months. For
the last couple of months, I said, get a J.
Brown to Philadelphia. He started tweeting on social media about it.
Where's a J. Brown? He's in Philadelphia? Last year because

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I sat here and watched it happen. In Nashville, A J.
Brown recruited Julio Jones, saying it was his dream to
play with his you know, his his idol. Basically, the
guy patterned his entire game after he would love where
he He famously did a video and Instagram video where
he said come vibe with me, Bro, and it became
a rallying cry across this city. And guess where who

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we ended up here, for better or worse. All of
this that we're seeing in the NFL right now comes
from the NBA. Those guys playing in Olympic Games together,
international competition and deciding, man, it'd be cool if we
played together. Then come back and they form a trio
in Miami. Or you see Katie and Kyrie become best friends,

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and Katie leave a perfect situation on the floor at
least to go play with his friend, where he has
proceeded to do squat in the playoffs since. But the
overarching point is we gotta start paying attention when these
athletes start talking about playing with each other, because more
often than not, it seems like they are trying to
will those things into existence, and a lot of times

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what they say ends up proving true. Very interesting. I
had not really thought about that um, but you know
there's something to it, right, I mean, there's something to it.
You go back to uh, James Harden and Russell Westbrook,
you go, I mean, there's a million examples of this
um and yeah, I think it's very interesting and it's
the point I hadn't thought of coming up. I will

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say this though, Ben Simmons, you know we didn't we
we you know we missed the news cycle with Ben
Simmons because obviously, uh we the I don't know there
a lot of stuff was going on in that series.
We come on at the end of Game three last
week thinking that maybe he'll be on the floor for
game for As a matter of fact, Jason Martin was
the first person that said, wait a second, now, if

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you can play on Monday, you can't give me five
minutes on Saturday. Well, apparently the Brooklyn Nets felt the
same way. We'll discuss Ben Simmons next, erin Toords Jason Martin,
Fox Sports Radio. Welcome back everybody, Fox Sports Radio. Aaron Torres,
Jason Martin here Saturday night. We were just talking about
the Nets, talking about our buddy Kyrie. What's he doing?

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What's the future? By the way, real quick, I saw
stephen A. Smith say this. I thought it was a
very smart point. I don't think it will happen, but
Kyrie Irving is obviously due for a huge extens I
saw stephen A say, I want to give them anything
more than a one year contract, let him, let him
earn it. I don't know if it will ever happen.
I I think Kyrie I will say to me, is
a fascinating offseason story. Now it might not be fascinating

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because if Kevin Durant says, hey, he's staying, give him
the Max, I don't really know what the Brooklyn Nets do.
But it's it's just a wild story because like there's
no one in the organization except maybe Kevin Durant and
Kyrie Irving that actually want to give him the max.
But if Kevin Durant wants to give him the Max,
I don't know how you not give him the Max.
And so that story in and of itself is going

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to be fascinating. And I did want to hit on
Ben Simmons really quick before we get to some of
tomorrow's games. Um you know, it's a topic that I've
been very vocal about just the way that I believe
that while mental health is a very serious issue, I've
said it a million times, but my wife works in
the mental health space, my sister in law works in
the mental health space, my sister works in the mental

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health space. Um, you know, it's no affing matter to me,
it's no joke. To me, I thought from the beginning
that that to be blunt, that Ben Simmons was uh
manipulating at best, finessing at best his situation, Uh, in
large part because first of all, he didn't have any
any um communication with Philadelphia for I think, what's six

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seven months. Uh, he only reported after he was about
to start losing money off of his paychecks. Then he
immediately reports and tanks practice. Then he says he has
a back injury. Then they cleared the back injury, then
it becomes mental health. So anyway, it was very interesting
to me. I was actually on air the following day.
You and I were on Saturday night. I was on

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with Steve Hartman on Sunday morning, and we got off
air right as basically, Ben Simmons we found you know,
we found out he wasn't gonna be available for Game four.
Reggie Miller had his tweet that basically said he has
no competitive fire at all. Then we get reports that
like there were dudes in that locker room that were
legitimately mad with Ben Simmons, and like, what's your deal, Like,

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is it the back is mental health? Can you give
us ten minutes I just said you. I spent seven
minutes setting you up there, Jason. But it was a
wild thing to see because I feel like I was
the only one that was on this about six months
ago to see it come full circle where every single
person the media was calling this guy out. It was
wild to watch. Yeah, Soeaux the NFL Draft. What was

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the talk about him maybe not loving football? Right? And
so maybe he was gonna drop Now he didn't because
talent's gonna win out. Somebody's always gonna take a risk
on that talent. And from what we gathered, even if
you believe that if he went to a big market
he's gonna be happy, we'll guess where we went. He
went to New York, He's gonna be fine. And he's
in terms of pure talent, as talented as anybody in

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that draft, no question. So I was thinking to myself
watching the Cavon Thibodeau thing. I was thinking, do we
need to start talking about whether Ben Simmons likes basketball?
And then I stopped and I said, waiting, no, no no, no,
I don't want to ask that question. I want to
say does he like basketball? Now? I want to ask
the question has he been broken? The same way Carson

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Wentz was broken in Philadelphia watching Nick Foles win that
Super Bowl. Has his love for basketball? Has that flame
been extinguished because of what happened in Philadelphia because he
was afraid to drive the lane where he was super skilled,
because he was gonna get fouled, and he couldn't make
a free throw, where he couldn't make a jump shot,

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and all of that weight on his brain because look,
he's a number one pick. This isn't how this was
supposed to go. I'm a number one pick. Remember Mark
l Foults, same kind of thing in recent years where
it's just like, man, this isn't was supposed to happen.
Number one overreall pick, Rookie of the year, You know
all these things. And I just wonder if at some
point something shattered inside Ben Simmons and now he just

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doesn't have that competitive fire anymore. I don't know that
that's true, and I'm not trying to place something that's
untrue on him. I'm simply asking a question because what
else in the world could explain these circumstances other than
and you talked about the mental aspect, and that's basically
what I'm saying some the fire in him has been

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snuffed out. I don't think that it was a situation
where it didn't exist. I don't think that's fair. But
I do think it's fair to ask now whether or
not that flame still remains. Yeah, that's that's an interesting
way of looking at it, you know. I mean I
think the counter to that would be that he basically
quit on LSU when he was there, uh in his
one season there. But no, he he played hard and

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he gave it his all in Philly. Um. Yeah, I
don't know. I don't know. It's a good question. I mean,
I do think it's funny because I actually think in
some ways what happened the past week to me, almost
made the mental health thing seem more real, Like he
was ready to play and then he wasn't ready to play,

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and then we found out that it was sort of
the back, but it wasn't really the back, and it's like,
maybe this guy is in his own head. Um. But
I also think you you do have an obligation, um,
when you're making thirty million dollars a year to go
out and give it six eight, ten, twelve minutes, if
if it is your back, if it is mental health.
I mean, I thought that was the whole point of

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him going in Brooklyn, right, was you don't have to
be the star. You don't have to shoot. Yeah, you
literally you don't even have to shoot, Like, you don't
have to shoot, Go handle the ball, pass it off, rebound,
defend whatever. Um. And so when it happened and how
it happened, it's an interesting thing because you're right, is
that um you know in Philadelphia, you know, we were
just kind of talking about some of these guys, including

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his teammate Kyrie Irving, that for the most part, just
have kind of let us know that the regular season
really doesn't matter to them. Ben Simmons for the most
part prior to this year, that wasn't really an issue.
Played seventy nine games in twenty nineteen. Last year in
the weird kind of COVID a year uh fifth the
eight games, So you know, I mean, it's never been
like he just doesn't play. UM. But yeah, I don't

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know what to make of it. I don't know what
to make of it, and I just but but I
also again, I I don't have sympathy either, and I
do think it was interesting. Jason, let me tell and
let me ask you this real quick. I thought it
was interesting that he wasn't on the bench for game four, UM,
and I think part of that was he he you know,
and and again he goes back to he was on

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the sidelines for game three. He's against Stephen A. Smith.
I heard him call him Derek zou Lander. He kind
of looked like Derek zu Lander, you know, bright orange sunglasses,
all that stuff. And like, I do think he whatever
is going on, I'll say this, if it's real mental
health stuff, you know, obviously one, I hope he certainly
gets the help that he needs. UM. But it was

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clear at a certain point he was becoming a distraction
by the outfits into this and to that. UM. And
it's also very clear that I think even his own
teammates were starting to kind of question by the end,
like like, what's going on here? Is it a back?
Is it mental health? We need to know we're fighting
for our playoff lives here. If you can give us
seven minutes, we need seven minutes. So it's a bizarre deal,

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I will say that. And like I said, as weird
as it sounds, I've been I don't want to say
unsympathetic to the mental health thing, because I don't think
I have been. But I also do think that, like
Monday was weird, Monday was weird when it was the back,
it was the back, it was the back, that it's
sort of the back, and then you find out that
it's kind of a combination, and uh, it's just a

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weird deal. Man, it's a weird deal. It feels like
to me when adversity or a challenge hits, when he
is challenged, he often doesn't even want to walk through
that door. I think that, Look, here's analoga. I was
thinking about it as you were talking. And you're on

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a pathway and you're walking and you see a snake.
I hate snakes beyond any reasonable belief. I don't understand
why anyone should of them as pets. I don't even
know it should be allowed. I I'm on a pathway
and I see a snake. I don't know what kind
of snake. It is reasonably certain it's not. I mean,
I know if it's a rattlesnake or whatever like that.
But I see a snake and it's probably fifteen feet

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in front of me, and I wonder to myself, all right,
So that's challenge, that's adversity. I know for a fact
that on the other side, if I walk another quarter
of a mile past where that snake is standing, there's
a pot of gold there, there's this destination and I'm
looking forward. There's a city that I've always wanted to visit,
there's the woman in my dreams, there's all whatever it
is that you wanna believe is at the end of this.

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Do you turn around because of a snake or do
you try to sprint past it because you know what's
on the other side of it. I feel like Ben
Simmons sees the snake and leaves the county that it's in,
doesn't just not walk past it, I mean goes back
to the car and then departs from the state that

(01:41:57):
he's in. That's just and and look, people are wired differently,
and that that could definitely be something that he has
to deal with because he knows in his heart that
when challenges hit, he doesn't really rise to him. He
just doesn't want any part of him. He he would
much rather just not be there. He would much rather

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just disappear. He would much rather not go anywhere near
the snake, not try to run by it not even
look for an alternate path, just turn around and leaf,
because I didn't even offer you this option. But if
there's a pathway, you're probably envisioning woods or forest or
something like that. I could go, you know, further to
the left and go through something else that's a little

(01:42:41):
bit unknown, but come up with another way to still
get to the other side. I don't even know if
Ben Simmons wants to do that. I just think when
the going gets tough, he just gets going. And I
don't mean he gets going to the finish line. I
mean he goes back to the starting line. I don't
think there's any doubt. And you know, I do think

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by the end um he was in his own head,
and I thought it was really interesting that again the
narrative kept changing. If it is mental health, I wish
him luck. But at a certain point, you are making
thirty plus million dollars a year and you owe it
to the guys on the team. You either owe it
on the guys of the team to at least try
to be out there, or you owe it to the
people that are paying you to stop picking up paychecks.

(01:43:22):
So exactly I agree with that last point, especially Yeah,
and that that that has been a little bit of
my frustration as well with Ben Simmons, is you know,
if you need to step away, step away, but thirty
million dollars, I do think you have somewhat of an
obligation to your employer. This is Fox Sports Radio, errand
towards Jason Martin. Here, busy Saturday night. One baseball game left.

(01:43:43):
Let's get you caught up. Steve to Seger, what's trending
my man? Well, we'll get to the late baseball as
the Tigers have taken a lead at Dodger Stadium. But
a note that at l s u. S Football Stadium
tonight it was packed not for Saturday night football and
Garth Brooks concert over a hundred thousand fans tonight. Part
of his stadium tour. He will be next month at

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Notre Dame Stadium, at the Patriots Stadium, Bengal Stadium, and
then moving on back to college football stadium venues the
month after that. Still ridiculously pop. He had over seventy
thousand here in Nashville about a month ago, and that
was rescheduled from a giant storm last year. Dude still
got it too, man. I saw him about five years
ago in an arena show here in Nashville. Felt like

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had to check that one off the old bucket list.
Well worth the time. That dude's a showman and a half.
I was just telling Don Brown Don Brown went to
see Dave Chappelle last night, and uh, he's still got
it to Hollywood. Bull, I'm going on Tuesday, Baby, going
on Tuesday, Dave Chappelle. Yeah, I'm excited. Darth Brooks supposed
to have a stop at the Dallas Cowboys Stadium this
summer and that'll be an enormous crowd, I'm sure as well.

(01:44:47):
By the way, country music's Naomi Judd has died. Yeah,
she was supposed to be. I think she was. I'm
not kidding you. I think she was supposed to perform
here within the next few weeks. Like they've been billboards
for the Judds like reunion. It was like, I'm other
daughter deal uh, like kind of a comeback, kind of
finality deals. I think she's also supposed to go into
Country Music Hall of Fame tomorrow and passed away at

(01:45:08):
seventy six. Yeah. The comment from daughter, actress Ashley Judd
in the statement was we lost our beautiful mother. To
the disease of mental illness. We are shattered end quote well.
As far as the late ball game, there's just the
one Tigers lead for one bottom of the seventh against
the Dodgers. Clayton Kershaw started for l A. Went the
first six innings just one run, allowed seven strikeouts. He

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will not get a decision. The bullpen gave up three
and the seventh Kershaw's three and oh this year lord
as dr A to two point three five. He threw
eight five pitches and that was that important in Dodger history.
He had seven strikeouts tonight. He's now the Dodgers all
time leader in k's, passing Don Sutton. Third on the
list is Don Drysdale. Fourth on the Dodger list is

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Sandy Kofax. The guy he struck out to get the
Dodger record. Spencer Torkelson of Detroit was the number one
over all draft Joyce just two years ago from Arizona State.
And Kershaw. To put it in perspective, he's got another
ace on the staff with him in Walker Bueller, who's
had about five good years. Walker Bueller has about six
hundred fifty strikeouts in his career. Kersha has over eight

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hundred fifty batters he struck out in the major leagues,
and of course many of them multiple times, total exactly
two thousand, seven hundred ks for his career. Dodgers have
two on one out bottom of the seventh. Looks like
a Detroit pitching change trying to hold on to a
four one lead, Tigers trying to end a six game

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losing streak. And by the way, we had a couple
of ten in in games Baltimore, one on a walk
off error and the Pirates one on a walk off air,
first time in over twenty years to walk off airs
the same day. In other words, no rb I on
the winning run. Baltimore ended a five game losing streak,
beating Boston in ten, two to one on an e

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Pittsburgh with two runs bottom of the tenth and including
the game winner on a first baseman's air ten inning,
seven six Pittsburgh over San Diego that ended the Pirates
four game losing streak. Yankees won their eighth in a row.
Miami won at seventh straight. Milwaukee won it's fifth in
a row. On FS one. Philadelphia came back and beat
the Mets four to one. Kyle Schwarber batting one sixty

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nine for the Phillies, hit a two run homer in
the top of the sevens for the lead Texas and
Colorado with wins San Francisco and Toronto as well. For
the Blue Jays, George Springer beat Houston two to one.
He's now with Toronto and he hit two solo home
He is batting three hundred. That is correct. Former World
Series MVP from Yukon as I recall NFL Draft rounds

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four through seven in Vegas today. The final selection Mr
irrelevant as they call it, quarterback from Iowa State brock
Purty to San Francisco. The Bears cut quarterback Nick Foles
and Hall of Fame women's basketball coach Vivian Stringer retired
after fifty years and over a thousand college victories. Her
teams made four Final Four appearances. She's been unpaid leave

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at Rutgers for the past year. The school says Stringer
will receive close to nine hundred thousand dollars in a
retirement agreement. Back to you, thanks, Steve Sager, Fox Sports Radio,
Fox Sports Saturday eron Tords, Jason Martin here Saturday Night
to say you'll be back in just a few minutes
for his normal extended update at twelve forty five Eastern,
which he does every single week. Jason really quick two

(01:48:22):
games tomorrow. Uh, it's funny. I was talking with the
boys in the back down Brown Uh, producer Eric, I,
I feel like three of the four playoff series in
the second round. I feel like, you know, I want
to sit here and hype them up and try to
sell them. But I think Phoenix is gonna take care
of Dallas. I think Miami, especially now that Joe l

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m b might be out for the series or at
the very least game one, I don't think Miami's gonna
have much trouble. And I actually don't think Golden State's
gonna have a ton of trouble with Memphis. I do
think that Boston Milwaukee series is very interesting though. No
Chris Middleton from Milwaukee at least for a little while.
Boston playing, you know, just amazing basketball and really, Uh,
they were the only team that swept the in the

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first round. They had arguably the toughest first round opponent,
at least on paper they swept. Uh. That one is
the one that will open the second round, and that
to me is by far the most interesting series in
the second round. I think both the games tomorrow are
the most interesting series. Milwaukee and Boston's a heavyweight fight.
I think this is where you see whether you find
out how far in Memphis is right now. This is

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kind of a litmus test for them. They're the high seed,
they've got home court advantage, They've got a rising big
time superstar and John Morant, but they've got a good
team around him. That's a very young basketball team that
doesn't know what they don't know. They remind me an
awful lot of the Cincinnati Bengals in terms of they're

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just they're just dumb enough to keep winning. Like you
look at Golden State on paper, you know the experience,
you know what they've done well. The Bengals beat the
Kansas City Chiefs, the Grizzlies. Could they beat the Warriors.
I think they can. I don't know that they will.
What they cannot do is it is expect to come

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back after falling behind by double digits in every game.
Like they see him too against Minnesota and they admitted it,
being admitted it and Morant admitted it after the game.
But like, we're gonna have to be better than that.
That's right, because what Minnesota learned this year is how
to lose. They don't know how to win. Yet they
know how to get leads. They've got all kinds of talent,
they don't know how to win. There's no cohesive basketball

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being played in the last handful of minutes because everybody
seems to be able to take shots at will instead
of creating everything for Aunt and Karl Anthony Towns. That's
not gonna happen with Golden State. If Golden State gets
up on Memphis by double digits, it's gonna be a
rap even as talented as Memphis is. So the key

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to that series is Memphis not starting out slow and
not playing from behind, because that's gonna be the death now.
But I do think that's gonna be a very interesting
series if Golden State wins it, they're gonna be hard
thought games. And again, I just look at Memphis and
I see that Oklahoma City team early on that gave
teams a run for their money, maybe in advance of

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when they should have, and I could see Memphis doing
the same thing in this series. Yeah, I I think
it's gonna be an interesting test. But for the reasons
that you just said, um, Memphis hot and cold, you know,
whatever however you want to describe. I mean, the inconsistence
probably just the best word. Uh. You know, listen, they
they're they're fun, they're up and coming, They're going to

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be there. I just I know they have home court advantage.
I just don't see it happening for them. That Boston
Milwaukee series should be awesome though. I mean, you know,
Boston playing really good basketball, uh Janie and uh and
and uh Milwaukee obviously winning four to one in that series,
and then the two the two on the two that
start on Monday, Phoenix getting Devin book are back for

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then that last series, I just don't see Dallas being
able to put up much of a fight. And then
I'll also say, like I said, Philly, Miami might be
a sweep. I mean, if if there's no Joe L
m bead Uh, I kind of think Philly's kind of
agree with that. Yeah, I mean, maybe you get one
of those vintage Harden games, but you ain't getting four
like he might give you one out of a seven
game series. That might be about what you can get

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in by vintage, I mean thirty plus, I don't mean
fifty I don't know that he's even got that in
him anymore, but yeah, if it beats not healthy Miami Shakruz.
This is Fox Sports Radio Eron towards Jason Martin. Coming up,
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Steve Disager Next, Fox Sports Radio, Welcome back everybody, Fox

(01:52:44):
Sports Radio Aeron towards Jason Martin here Saturday night. By
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Let's get it over to Steve Disager at the news
desk with what is tre ending and really not just
what's trending, but really the all the big stories from
across this day to sea. What's going on? Man, We've

(01:53:06):
got football to get to in a moment. Not only
the quarterbacks who weren't drafted, what's happened to them tonight?
But the ratings are in from the first round of
the draft. We can update the late ball game at
Dodger Stadium. L A was a huge favorite with Clayton
Kershaw on the Mount tonight against Detroit Tigers, of course,
not the greatest team, and they've lost six in a row.
The Tigers have scored three and the seventh off the bullpen,

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and one more in the eighth. It's five one Tigers
and still batting in the top of the eighth inning.
This is notable on the night where Clayton Kershaw becomes
the Dodgers all time leader in strikeouts. In fact, if
you look, not just in Dodger history, major League Baseball history,
amongst starting pitchers in the last century with at least
fifteen underd innings pitch, Clayton Kershaw has the lowest career

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e r a under two point five. Oh, the lowest
whip That is, the lowest amount of runners per inning
going back to when the live ball era so called started.
So it's assumed to be Hall of Fame career, all
fifteen years as a Dodger historic night. And remember he
almost wasn't a Dodger this year. Right after the lockout,

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he did decide a one year deal with l A,
coming back to this team, the only one he's played for.
He did consider going back home to Texas and first
he had to answer the question is my body gonna
allow me to pitch at the level I'd like? Because
he didn't even pick up a baseball in the off
season until January after missing the playoffs. Well, the NFL
Draft ended today, guys, with rounds four through seven. The

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Bears made news tonight cutting quarterback Nick Foles. The Rams
today reacquired defensive back Troy Hill from the Browns in
a trade for a fifth rounder next year. Cleveland just
drafted a corner this weekend. The Titans wave quarterback Kevin Hogan.
What about the quarterbacks who went undrafted, like noted Dames
quarterback Jack Cone, who had been at Wisconsin as well.
He will be signing with the Indianapolis Colts, and the

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Philadelphia Eagles will be signing Nevada quarterback Carson Strong and
a QB from brown e j Perry. Carson Strong, six
ft four, was nevatas quarterback to pass three seasons and
se completions each of the last two years. This past season,
Carson Strong had over four thousand yards passing in twelve games,
thirty six touchdown passes only eight interceptions. Philly gets him. Meanwhile,

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cal quarterback Chase Garbers goes to the Raiders. The Chargers
are signing Illinois's undrafted quarterback Brandon Peters from the University
of Miami de Eric King to the Patriots, and Oregon
quarterback Anthony Brown to the Ravens. Among the undrafted running backs,
this has happened tonight, from North Carolina State Bam Night
to the Jets, Baylor running back Abram Smith to the Saints,

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Oklahoma's Jeremiah Hall to the Giants, and from Oklahoma State
running back Jalen Warren to the Steelers. Well, Wednesday night,
the Warriors clinched their first round series and that got
over four million viewers on t n T, a great
number for the NBA on Wehn's Day. And then Thursday
night there was a playoff doubleheader on t n T

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opposite the first round of the NFL Draft. Basketball averaged
under three million on Thursday night. Meanwhile, the Draft got
three point eight million on ABC, another four million plus
on ESPN, and about one point eight million more on
NFL Network. Added up, it's roughly ten million viewers for
the NFL drafts first round on Thursday night. They just

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they can do no wrong. Meanwhile, hockey, by their standards
ratings I saw were actually up a bit, but still
kind of microscopic in the grand scheme of things. This
past season, ABC is not scheduled to carry a single
playoff game until the final, which, according to Sports Media Watch,
marks the first time in thirty years that not a

(01:56:48):
single Stanley Cup playoff game in the first three rounds
will be on broadcast. So not even like t NT
or whatever, because TNT had some sort of on a broadcast. Yeah,
I mean like even when NBC had it, NBC would
carry some playoff games through the first few rounds, not
just the final. Not so apparently. According to the current schedule,

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the regular season has ended for most teams as of
last night's There is one makeup game tomorrow Seattle at Winnipeg,
and then officially the season's done. Playoffs start Monday night
in hockey with four series openers and the other four
start on Tuesday night and a coaching change today the
Red Wings Jeff blast Shill is out. He's not returning
next season. After all, he missed the playoffs at each
of his final six years with Detroit. About time, let

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me tell you get a note that NASCAR is on
FS one on Sunday from Dover three pm Eastern Chris
Busher or in the poll Josh Barry one Today's Exfinity
Race and the NBA Playoffs second Round starts tomorrow with
Boston's Game one at home against Milwaukee, and then Golden
State at Memphis in a Game one Sunday afternoon. The
Celtics Jalen Brown plans to play tomorrow despite an injured hamstring,

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which he's had off and on since November. Milwaukee's Chris Middleton,
with the sprained m C, will expected to miss at
least the second round series against Boston. According to The Athletic,
Milwaukee guard George Hill will miss at least Game one.
He did not practice Friday due to an abdominal strain. Miami,
top seed in the East, hosts a Game one on
Monday night against Philadelphia. Of course, the huge story going

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into that series the fact that seventy six center Joel
em Beat is out indefinitely with a mild concussion and
an orbital fracture. And yes, seventy Sixers head coach Doc
Rivers claims he is not upset that m beat m
VP finalist again this year, was still in the game
up by twenty nine with four minutes to go when
he got hurt. Five Miami players did not practice Friday,

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including Kyle Lowry with his hamstring injury. Jimmy Butler got
the day off with the sore knee. He said today
he's okay. Tyler Hero got Friday off due to a cold.
He says he's okay and in the West. Number one
Phoenix will open the second round late Monday against Dallas
the Suns. Today, we're fine twenty five thousand dollars for
failing to disclose Devin Booker's injury status in a timely

(01:58:59):
manner before the last game. He has returned from the
bad hamstring. Thank you, Steve to say here, this is
Fox Sports Radio, Fox Sports Saturday error towards Jason Martin
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get into the show, Tweet us at Aaron Underscore torres
at j mart Radio Coming up. More reaction to the NFL.

(01:59:20):
Full coverage of the entire draft, winners, losers, thoughts on
the A. J. Brown trade We barely even touched on Hollywood.
Brown will discuss that as well. Also, of course, Bernie
Frido joining us to get you caught up on everything
going on from the Vegas perspective. Bernie Frido coming up
errant towards Jason Martin. One hour left, Fox Sports Radio,
Welcome in Everybody, Fox Sports Radio, Fox Sports Saturday eron

(01:59:43):
towards Jason Martin. Here Saturday Night. Busy week, Final week
of April, final day of April. Here on the West Coast,
it's officially May and the Central and Eastern time zones.
A lot going on this week, though, Just talk a
little about the NBA playoffs. Obviously they were off today.
Ramp back up tomorrow, two games one pm Eastern Milwaukee, Boston,

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followed by Memphis hosting Golden State in game one. Do
you want to get back to the NFL Draft though?
As the sayer just told you, everything wrapped up today. Uh,
seven rounds. Fun stuff. As always, Jason we we we
kind of led the show with it. Talked a lot
of A J. Brown to lead the show. Is that
to you the biggest thing that has come out of
this draft? Is that the single biggest story in your opinion,

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the A. J. Brown trade? I mean from an immediate standpoint, yeah,
I mean he's a dude that whether you like a
the analytic side of things or not. He's been ranked
top five in PFF and wide receiving for you know,
pretty much his entire career. When you look at the
yards that he's been able to put up and the
immediate impact that he's gonna have in Philadelphia provided he's healthy. Yeah,

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that's huge, especially in the NFC East because the NFC
East matters because Dallas is there, and because New York
is there, and because well, I mean Washington is Darren,
Philly is there. They've got big time teams. And now
Philadelphia puts themselves in the spot where they've got Davonte Smith,
last year's Heisman Trophy winner, going with a bona fide
superstar wide receiver and a J. Brown and the number
one seed in the a f C is left, you know,

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trying to figure out what they're gonna do. And maybe
they drafted the air parent and I think that then
becomes the new sort of Petri dish to see whether
or not this can work, because we haven't really seen
this done with receivers yet. Now we're actually gonna get
the opportunity to see it because somebody flat out went
out and drafted a guy they believe can replicate what

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this stud has done over the last three years. So
I do think that that is it. I think the
other storyline outside the obvious stuff with the wide receivers
and who went first and all this, it's the all
of the talk about these quarterbacks in this draft and
how well, eventually somebody's gonna rise to the top and

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it's not gonna wait until the twenties. Well, that's exactly
what happened. First quarterback when at twenty and we had
six wide receivers go, but only one dude that throws
the football got taken in the first round. And it
wasn't like people lined up to get early in the
second round and take quarterbacks either. That didn't happen. That

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all of what we were told about how these quarterbacks
were being evaluated proved out to be true. Even if
I think Ritter might be able to play, I really
like what Malik Willis could look like in the future,
and I like the situations both of them went to.
Matt Corral could easily take Sam Donald's job in Carolina.

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I think they all might have landed in good spots
for them where the pressure is not going to be
on any of them. They're gonna have time to learn.
But I do think it's fascinating that we just went
through a draft where I was waiting to see somebody
reach for a quarterback and it just never happened. Yeah,
it's it's it's wild because I didn't know what to
make of it, because I do think there are those

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years where guys where teams really do reach. But we
also just saw the single craziest offseason in terms of
quarterback movement in the history of the sport, and that
has become the norm. But it feels like this was
almost like a perfect storm. There weren't very many good quarterbacks.
We have a bunch of really young I mean, we
got five rookie quarterbacks that were all drafted in the

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first round this past year, all had varying degrees of success.
But you're all that takes five five teams off the board. There,
you know, three quarterbacks the year before that we're still
trying to figure out. Obviously we know Joe Burrows the guy,
but what about two Uh, we obviously know Justin Herbert
as well. So I bring it up to say, you know,
we got eight first or second year quarterbacks. We had
a ton of movement. We still have a good few veterans,

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by the way that that are better alternatives than taking
anybody in the first round. And so I wasn't really surprised,
like like I thought. And I think I said this
on the show about two or three weeks ago, Jason,
I said, it feels like we're trying to create a
market for Malik Willis that isn't there, like, you know,
just just say it out loud. I mean, you know,

(02:04:03):
dual threat quarterback, you know, not great in the pocket,
didn't play against the best competition. It felt like, is
he really that good of a prospect? Or are we
just trying to make a conversation there? And so I
bring it up because I didn't think, you know, I
didn't even know if Kenny Pickett was gonna go around one.
But I didn't think this was the year that we
were going to get that run on quarterbacks or people

(02:04:25):
over reaching on quarterbacks. Didn't think Malik Willis would fall
to around three. I thought he might fall around two.
I didn't think Matt Corrall would fall as long as
he did. So I'm surprised, but I'm not. I really
didn't think this was the year that people were gonna
take big swings on on fringe quarterbacks because they either
got their quarterback this offseason have drafted him, and oh,
by the way, it's worth noting two really good quarterbacks

(02:04:47):
to lead next year's draft crop with c J. Stroud
from Ohio State and Bryce Young as well. But to
see those guys fall as far as they did on
Friday night, that to me was a little bit surprising. Yeah,
the to the Willis point, I mean, I just looked
at Willis, and I looked at him not in terms
of what I think he's gonna do in the pros,
even though you never know. He's just super raw. He's

(02:05:08):
super raw, and it's hard to evaluate him because he
played at Liberty and you just don't know what that means.
The one big time performance heading its old minister didn't
work out very well. What was the knock on Malik Willis,
At least from a lot of talent evaluators, it was
that the offense he ran at Liberty was so simple
that they were afraid it might take two seasons for
him to acclimate to an actual NFL offense, which is

(02:05:30):
kind of incredible to me considering it's you freeze and
you would have thought that that might have been a
little bit more complicated than that. But at the same time,
I remember, at one point there was a ton of
height behind this guy named Josh Allen, and then that
height dissipated to nothing, and people were just dismayed that

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the Bills would be foolish enough to go get this
guy who has no accuracy, who's got this gigantic arm.
But but I mean, he can't hit anybody seven yards
down the field, and he played at this little school
called Wyoming and there's no competition and all the sell
all the stuff. Again, I'm not trying to say Milick
Wilson about to be Josh Allen. I'm saying I saw
this before, but they drafted Josh Allen a lot higher.

(02:06:15):
I know that's what Tennessee is hoping. They would love
to find Josh Allen here and Malik Willis, but I
do think that him being acquired where he was taken
late in round three, if he pans out at all,
it will turn out to be the best quarterback move
late in the draft since Russell Wilson. Right, Like, That's

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that's kind of the one where you go back to
because when you look back and you're like, oh, we
know you've been able to find really good quarterbacks in
the third, fourth round, six round. Remember Tom Brady, Remember
Dak Prescott, Remember Russell Wilson, And you can throw Kirk
Cousins there. That's kind of the list, though, like when
you start looking for other examples, you find out there
aren't very many like these, these ones that we always
go to and say they explain how you can of

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value later in the draft. That is literally like trying
to thread the eye of the needle through a hurricane
like it is, it is nearly impossible to pull off.
So who knows what's going to happen, but we've got
an opportunity now, and not just with Willis. Ritter went late,
Corral went late. If these dudes hit, man, it's gonna
be cash money for the teams that took them, do

(02:07:21):
you think by the way, Um, First of all, I
agree with all that. And you know, the only guy
that in recent years kind of you know, you could
say fell and he didn't even fall out of the
first round was Lamar Jackson, And so that kind of
proves your point if he's the example in recent years
of the guy that got under drafted. And oh, by
the way, there were real reasons why he got underdrafted,

(02:07:42):
most notably because his mom is his agent and nobody
could get hold of him during the drafting process. Um.
But it's a great point by you, and it's a
great point that, uh, maybe maybe that is what is
going to be the everlasting story of this draft is
if Matt Correll pops as a second round or you
know whatever, he was third rounder, third rounder. Yeah, I know,
Malik Willis was a third rounder. Desmond Ritter, uh, you know,

(02:08:04):
second late second round. But I just bring it up
to say, maybe that is what the the lasting thing
out of this draft was the other thing, which we
talked about a little bit earlier. By the way, if
you missed any of it, make sure to go back
and download the podcast. I do think this was the
year that that wide receivers became the new running back.
Where listen, somebody, somebody pays running backs even to this day.

(02:08:26):
You know, um, Zeke gets paid well. Uh. Levy on
Bell eventually got his contract from the New York Jets.
But there's also a lot of teams that just say
we're not paying running backs anymore. And I do think
we're starting to get there with wide receivers. And it's
not to say that I don't want to see guys
get their money and and all that good stuff, but um,
you know, we had six first rounders this year at
the wide receiver position, six and five last year one.

(02:08:51):
It feels like they keep coming, they keep coming, they
keep coming, and it feels like there's a lot of teams,
including your Tennessee Titans, that feel like, hey, rather than
paying this guy, uh, you know, twenty million dollars a year,
a hundred million dollars guaranteed, whatever it ends up being,
We're gonna go ahead and try to get a guy
on the rookie contract and spread the money around elsewhere. Yeah. Um,

(02:09:12):
I would say, and I think this is what you meant.
They're not the new running backs. They're the new running
backs from like two thousand. There's the new value running
backs when running backs were seen differently, like they they
didn't replace running backs because running backs haven't been running
backs for a long long time because the league has changed.
But I I generally know what you're saying. I would
ask this specific to the A. J. Brown discussion. If

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you are an organization in this case you say it's
the Titans, but just put your own team into it.
Thinking about this as a thought experiment. If you're the
coach or you're the general manager and you know your
quarterbacks just not good enough, but you're stuck with him
because he has the highest cap hit in the league,
literally highest cap of any player in the NFL. Is

(02:09:57):
Ryan's annel this season? Why would you pay a receiver
a hundred million dollars right now if your quarterback is
not good enough and you know it and you're looking
towards the future. I'm not necessarily saying that I thought
it was an a plus decision to get rid of
a guy that I loved and thought was a tremendous player.

(02:10:18):
I'm saying that there's definitely there's a rational why this
makes sense. We're just not gonna know for a couple
of years because it all hinges on whether or not
Trailan Burke's actually can replace that production. If he steps
in and he's a beast, then you're gonna see teams
crawl over broken glass to do this themselves rather than
break off a giant bag for a receiver. If they

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start to believe they can find the next guy that's
gonna reset the market. It's not gonna be somebody getting underpaid.
It's gonna be all of a sudden, man, there's so
many wide receivers coming out. Why are we paying you
a hundred mill? We'll just go grab another one. So
let me ask you a question really quick, because you
know me, not living in Nashville, I'm not as obviously
plugged into the Titans conversation. When did when it sounds

(02:11:04):
like you think, I don't even doesn't sound like you
basically just said you do not believe that the Tennessee
Titans organization believes that Ryan Tannehill can win them a
Super Bowl. Um, that's something that I have believed for
several years. Other people have kind of come around on it.
Maybe after that playoff loss to Cincinnati this year. Is
that new? Is that new in town? Because I've never

(02:11:24):
really heard that, and it's surprising to hear that from you,
especially coming off of a season in which I know
the division was awful, but you still get the number
one seed, you have home field advantage throughout the playoffs.
Do you feel like it was after that Bengals game
kind of you know, we have the the famed you
know Sean McVeigh, uh, you know, kind of saying I
can't win. I can't win it all, which so so

(02:11:45):
go ahead, so go ahead out. It's the it's the
golf scenario, except golf got him to the Super Bowl.
Ryan Tannehill did lead to Titans to an a f
C Championship game where they lost to Kansas City, and
then last year offense scored thirteen points against Baltimore. This
year they lost to Joe Burrow and Cincinnati Bengals at
home with a one seed. Ryan Tannehill's playoff records not good.

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His playoff numbers are not good. He's a regular season
quarterback that has had no success, where last playoffs was
his opportunity to prove he was capable of pulling this off,
and instead he reinforced the idea that he couldn't. And
I think in that moment the Titans organization lost faith.

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They would never say this, but I think behind closed
doors they knew it. And if you go back and
a lot of people mocked this, and I think it
made national attention, so you will you can find it
if you did not hear about it at the time.
At the combine in Indianapolis, the general manager of the Titans,
John Robinson, cried in front of the media when he
was asked a question about is there something you could

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have done better this past season? He says, I'm sleeping.
I can't sleep at night because I remember I was there.
I saw what that crowd sounded like. We had him, man,
we had him and then lost and all this kind
of stuff. And I suggested and still suggests that the
reason that John Robinson was crying is because he knew
that was the shot. He knew it was never gonna

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be that good again. He knew the a f C
where it was going was going to be where it was,
and he knew his quarterback wasn't good enough, and he
had talked himself into he believed that they could do it.
They got Derrick Henry back. He's gonna be out there
running the football again. Everybody's healthy. Julio's healthy, A J's healthy,
Ryan's there, everybody. It was the healthiest the team had
been all season, and they blew it at home and

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didn't even get the a f C championship game they've
never hosted in Nashville. I think it fractured. I think
it may have fractured Tannehil mentally, I know it fractured
the organization, it fractured the city, it fractured the fan base.
I think I think that he cried because he realized
in that moment, this group ain't getting there because we're

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stuck with this quarterback because we renegotiated and restructured his
contract a few years ago and tied ourselves to him,
similar to what Minnesota has now done with Kirk Cousins.
They did that with Tannehill and put themselves in a
spot where the cap hit was such that they didn't
feel like they could do anything this offseason. And so
if they don't think that they can get through that

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wall with Ryan Tannehill at quarterback, then that makes it
a lot easier to part with the receiver that wants
a hundred million dollars instead of looking for the future,
finding a quarterback at eight six and bringing in maybe
a replacement on a rookie deal for the next four seasons.
Very interesting stuff, Very interesting stuff on the state of
the Titans, which obviously drafting leak willis late in the

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in the third round, maybe not late in the third
in the third round on Friday Night and of course,
traded A J. Brown on Thursday, coming up, by the way,
by the way, real quick, the Titans. Obviously, it's a
lot of Titans discussion for national radio show, and usually
we don't do that. The only reason I think is
more relevant today because the A J story was such
a big story in the draft. But the bigger thing
is what does it mean for everybody else going forward?

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Because people are gonna watch this like it's a science experiment.
They're gonna watch this this if it works, and then
they're gonna determine, and that might be your team and
your wide receiver one right now that wants the bag
and this team, your team whoever that is, looks to
the Titan situation and says, well, here's what they did
with A J. And it worked with trailing Burke's. Now

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we don't know whether or not, but if that's what happens,
it's a copycat league, man, So it could happen in
your neighborhood next. Well, and how do we get here?
It was with Russell Wilson winning a Super Bowl on
a rookie quarterback deal. So coming up, Bernie Fratto, he
will be joining us from Vegas. Give you inside on
what what the city of Vegas was like this week
for the draft, gambling stuff, much more coming up. Bernie

(02:15:36):
Frido joining us Fox Sports Radio. Welcome back everybody, Fox
Sports Radio eron Torres, Jason Martin busy Saturday night. You
know what we say when you hear big pimpin around
one twenty eastern in the club means Bernie Fridos joining
Fox Sports Radio straight out of Vegas. Can hear him
at the top of the hour, Bernie Frido, what's up man?

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After forty eight whirlwind hours here in Vegas and six
hundred and fifty thousand people lining the streets, another NFL
draft is in the books. Now. That was gonna be
my first question. Learned two things, How was the city?
And are you the type of person that drives into
the belly of the beast or do you stay as
far away as possible? Well, I was down in the
belly of the beast until about half an hour before

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the first pick, and then I started to clear out
because it was just the sea of people. I mean,
and you better have your walking shoes on because you're
not gonna be sitting down anytime soon. And I've covered
enough of these and been around enough of these. I
really enjoyed, frankly getting home and watching it on TV.
But the Blagio was Grand Central. It was like Madame
Tussab's for all the folks in the media and the
events surrounding the draft and the NFL experience and live

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musical acts and the Blue Man Group. I mean, it
was incredible the draft in Gulf Vegas, but interestingly enough,
it didn't take over Vegas because there's still so much
else going on. But be that as it may, although
the final tallies aren't in, I think we did exceed
what Nashville did, although I still think Nashvill kind of
set the standard a couple of years ago. Uh, they
had six hundred thousand people. I think we had about

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six fifty the economic impact and Nashville was about two
hundred four million. We think it's gonna be about four
hundred ninety million here, but that's partially because we have
a hundred and fifty three thousand hotel rooms here in
Vegas and Nashville has got fifty thousand. Be that as
it may, it was every bit as a spectacular watching
it on TV as it was in person. So Bernie,

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what did you think of what actually happened in the draft. Uh,
it was not surprising to me because, uh, the real
talent had, you know, involved around pass rushers and wide receivers,
and there were six wide receivers taken in the first
eight teen picks. Again not surprising to me, because the

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way the rules are on the National Football League, it's
become basketball on turf. You're putting playmakers in space and
allowing them to do their thing. Hey, look we saw
you know, Green Bay got burned on Jordan level couple
of years ago. I think the jury is very much
out on Trede Lance. I don't care how fast you runner,
how high you jump, or how far you can throw
the ball. You might be able to throw it farther

(02:18:08):
on Uncle Rico, but you can't hold the damn ball
and get it out of your hand. You've got to
do that. That requires recognition. And one of the things
pro Scotts will tell you you really can't project recognition
when a player. When when a quarterback gets to the NFL,
making pre snapper reads, processing coverages, quarterbacks in position, you
play with your eyes listen. I think, uh, Jason, you

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brought some really good points about Malik Willis. He's a
stellar individual. He's a he's a world class athlete, and
he possesses all the you know, physical tangibles. He did
play in a very basic offense at Liberty, and unfortunately,
if you saw that game tape against Mississippi, it wasn't
good when he stepped up a competition. And the other

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thing too, is I've talked a couple of pro scouts,
um they were trying to find that one reel got
you moment on tape that says, oh, yeah, this is
our guy. They really couldn't find that. Now, be that
as it may, as Joe Clad said, he may be
a better strong arm Russell Wilson, but their years from that.
So I guess it's my long winded way of saying
I thought a lot of teams did a great job

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by filling needs in the first round, getting guys that
will get on the field and contribute right away. Aidan
Hutchinson and Jamison Williams in Detroit love what they did.
They're not gonna take a guy who's gonna carry a clipboard.
They're gonna backfill in. Defensive end and wide receiver were
two positions of weakness for the Lions last year, they
improved immediately inside a half an hour. From the gambling perspective,

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burn obviously you know not only hosting the draft, but
of course you know sports betting, not just sports betting,
but betting on the draft. I feel like over the
last four or five years is really escalated. How did
the books do or how badly did they do? With
all the draft props out there? Excellent points and excellent questions. Um,
the Nevada Gaming Control Board approved wagering on the draft

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in seen and for the six three ear the books
got their lunch handed to him. I I will tell
you they hate booking that event. Here it's not just
people making a decision. It's a situation where this is
an information driven event. It's not decided on the field.
It's not a game of chance, and this is the
one event or professionals will be willing to risk ten

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dollars to make one dollar because they've assessed the real
lots sometimes to be closer to one. As such, the
books in Las Vegas and this regulated market took all
the bets off the board at five o'clock on Wednesday,
twenty four hours before, which really rankled a lot of
people because they didn't do that in other markets. And

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as a matter of fact, not only could you bet
all the way up to the draft and other markets,
the Draft Kings was doing some live betting during the
draft itself, but the books wasted no time in losing
almost immediately. When Trayvon Walker was drafted number one overall,
there were folks who got him as forty to one
weeks back, and there was so much heavy action on

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him he closed at minus three hundred at Westgate. Aidan Hutchinson,
the previous guy to go number one, who was drafted
number two, closed at minus four twenty to go over
his draft position of over one and a half. The
pros cleaned up on that. One of the bets the
pros really cleaned up on Is when Derek Stingley Jr.
Was selected number three by Houston. He was his high

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as a hundred to one at Caesar's to be the
third pick and a hundred of one to be the
first cornerback picked. And even those limits are lower, there
were multiple five dollar bets. So this is an event
that puts the books in the red. I will tell
you they hate it. Uh to the NBA playoffs, Bernie
how are the books looking as it relates to these series,

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because a lot of them look very very tight. You know,
they looked that way on paper, but the Betty markets
are say justing differently. Boston is as a minus two
ten over over Milwaukee, and I gotta believe a lot
of that has to do with Chris Middleton being out.
But if you saw Boston's defense in the last series,
it's the real deal. And that's how you win uh

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an NBA Championship with either a top five defense or
you gotta have Kobe and Shack. And then the other series,
I feel that Memphis is on that stair steps sort
of progression, but Golden States minus two seventy there a
prohibitive favorite. Those are the two UH series of start
tomorrow and then Miami's minus three eight over Philadelphia. I
don't know when uh, you know, and Beade comes back.

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I cover the O four pistons and a similar thing
happened to Hambleton's he wore a plastic mask all year,
so I don't know, maybe they'll fit him with a
plastic mask. And then Phoenix minus three d over Dallas.
So what's interesting is I think these series will be
more competitive than the betting markets are predicting, but at
the same at the by by the same token, I
just can't see gold State at Miami or Phoenix losing.

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And although Boston in Milwaukee will be a little tighter
without Chris Middleton, so it looks like a chalk tournament.
He's Bernie Fratto. Can You're at the top of the
hour straight out of Vegas, taking you straight from to
a m eastern straight through six am, talking all things
NFL Draft, NBA Playoffs, and much much more. Bernie, we
appreciate the time. We'll be listening at the top of

(02:23:13):
the album. Man, thank you, thanks for having me. Guys,
that's Bernie Freddo make sure to listen Top of the
Hours Straight out of Vegas. A lot of good stuff
coming up on the NFL Draft. Speaking of good stuff
to Seger, always delivering final time tonight, what's trending to say,
We'll get to the day in baseball, and the Detroit
Tigers upset victory in a moment. Three quick things. The
NBA Playoffs second round does start tomorrow. NASCAR's on FS

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one Sunday from dover three pm Eastern Time, and John
rom leads to Mexico Open by two strokes. This is
the guy who has recently been number one ranked in
the world. This will be the seventh time rom has
at least a share of the league going into a
final round. He's only converted one of those previous six
chances to win on the tour in that situation, So
a two shot margin, five players within three strokes the lead. Well,

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Clayton Kershaw was great again, but he's still three and
oh because the bullpen gave up four runs after he
left Detroit. Five Dodgers won the final. Detroit ends a
six game losing streak. Kershaw did have seven strikeouts in
his six innings of work. He becomes the Dodgers all
time leader in case Kershaw. This is how good this
start has been to the season. According to the folks

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at stats Inc. He's not only undefeated, he's got at
least thirty strikeouts and only two walks are fewer, and
opponents are hitting under two hundred against him in these
first four starts. The last picture to do all of
that your first four starts was Christy Mathison in nine eight.
And the Dodgers, meanwhile, have lost three or four and
they're gonna be hosting the rival Giants on Tuesday and

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Wednesday nights. By the way, Mookie Betts had a leadoff
homer tonight for l A, but he had two hits
and the rest of the Dodgers were two for twenty six.
Colorado beat the Reds four to three. The Cincinnati Reds
have not only lost five in a row, there three
and eighteen on the season, and it's getting no better.
Joey Vado over four three strikeouts, he's batting one nine

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X Dodger Corey Seeger with a solo homer in Texas
Rangers three one winners against Atlanta, but Ronald Dakota did
have an RBI single. The rest of the team was
two for seven. But Acuna was back in the lineup
did not play Friday. He had just returned the previous
night from last year's torn a. C L Baltimore ended
a five game losing streak, winning on a tenth inning
error against Boston two to one, and the Red Sox

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starter Nathan Ivaldi had a no hitter with two outs
in the sixth, wound up not getting a decision. After
seven scoreless innings, Red Sox offense left ten men on
basse and J. D. Martinez was scratched due to a
doctor tightness. Meanwhile, the Yankees won their eighth game in
a row. Garrett cole the victory three nothing at Kansas
City saved Orldi's Chapman. The yankees three runs came on

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a double play and two sack flies. Kansas City left
eleven men on base. The FS one game tonight had
Philadelphia beating the Mets in New York four to one.
The Mets came in with the best record in baseball
fifteen and six. Tonight, they left thirteen men on base.
Mark Canna had two hits, but the rest of the
Mets two of twenty nine. Kyle Schwarber, batting one sixty

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nine for the Phillies, was the hero tonight, hitting a
two run homer top of the seventh for the lead.
Milwaukee won its fifth straight game nine one over the Cubs,
winning pitcher Eric Lawer with eleven strikeouts in seven innings.
Pittsburgh won on a tenth inning air seven six over
the Padres. Manny Machado batting over three eight had gotten
them the lead in the eighth on a home run.

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Miami won at seventh straight game three one over the Mariners.
Seattle outfielder Mitch Haniger went on the injured list with
a sprained ankle. Washington had lost eight straight until a
win last night. Back in the l column. Tonight, Washington
beating at San Francisco nine to three. Minnesota was tied
one one at Tampa Bay going to the sixth nine
one Twins the final Carlos Correa with three hits. The

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Twins had their seven game winning streak ended. Last night.
Cleveland Guardians scored two unterned runs top of the ninth
to win three one at Oakland. White Sock shot out
the Angels on FS one for nothing Louis Robert a
three run homer in the fifth inning just before rain delay. Toronto,
with George Springer hitting two home runs. Solo shots beat
Houston two to one, and Arizona got two solo homers

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in the eighth to win to nothing at St. Louis
and Yes. The NFL Draft concluded with rounds four through
seven in Las Vegas. The final selection, quarterback from Iowa State,
Brock Purty, goes to San Francisco. By the way, quarterback
from North Carolina Sam Howell went in the fifth round
to Washington. Georgia had fifteen players drafted this weekend, a
record for seven rounds. Georgia running back Zamir White to

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the Las Vegas Raiders. Undrafted quarterback Jack Cone from Notre
Dame signed with the Colts. The Bears cut quarterback Nick Foles.
Back to you, thanks Steve stegasys Fox Sports Radio, Fox
Sports Saturday interent towards Jason Martin here taking me the
top of the hour with Bernie Fratto. He'll be taking
over for us at two a m. Eastern really quick.
Jason the Discer just brought up the very interesting point

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Georgia adding a NFL draft JENNFL Draft record fifteen players
selected over the seven rounds h that broke the record
l s U two years ago. They won it in
twenty with Joe Burrow. Obviously, Justin Jefferson was drafted the
following year, etcetera, etcetera. Also two thousand four, Ohio State
had fourteen as well. Georgia fifteen players drafted. Is that

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historical footnote doesn't mean anything? Does it? Is it any?
I mean, obviously kirbiy Smart is gonna be using it
in recruiting going forward, But is it anything more than
a historic footnote to you, Jason, I mean it means
they should have won the national chance. Oh wait, they
did win the National and they probably but to your point,
you know, they were one, you know, and I don't
mean to make light of a serious injury, but Jamison

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Williams doesn't get hurt. Obviously, Jamison Williams so good he
got drafted, you know, having not having had a chance
to work out. But to your point, Jamison Williams doesn't
get hurt in that game. I don't think. I don't
think Georgia wins it. I I believe that, but we'll
never be able to of it, so it doesn't really matter.
I mean, they lost MATCHI and they lost Jamison Williams

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in the last two games that they played, one of
which they actually still beat Georgia and then the other
one of course they lost in a national title. And
what what does it mean? It just means that was
a monster team that had a ton of Sunday talent
on it, and it's it's not really a surprise. I mean,
if you watched them every time I watched them, there
would be somebody else where in a Georgia uniform run

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white Man. That guy is gonna be a beast on
the next level. You realize you've just mentioned three quarters
of the team. You know, to add of twenty two
guys that start, you got fifteen of them that go
in the NFL draft. Here there were multiple running backs
that you liked last year. They're multiple receivers. It's amazing
to me you got fifteen. The quarterbacks nowhere near it, right,

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Like the quarterbacks. Quarterbacks not even part of this discussion.
It's everything else. And yeah, you use this as a
recruiting tool. Everything can start to spiral downhill if you're
a good coach, like it can become an avalanche in
the right way, or it can go like coach Wor's
Iran and go the opposite direction. But it's not for
Kurby because he's been building on this for a while
and he finally cashed it in. Now I'm just looking

(02:30:09):
at Jimbo Fisher and saying, so as much as you're
paying guys as much as as much money as should do,
as much money is coming to the gentleman that are
wearing A and M uniforms. All the pressures on you,
big dog, because you might be able to break George's
record if you continue to recruit this way, if you
continue to lure guys over at the n I L

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deals are impressive enough. If you guys are finding a
way to get these kind of rosters, you might break
this record. But the key here is, and I started
out my answer with this, that's a team that should
win the national championship. And Georgia did A and M
your move? Yeah, as far as A and M is concerned,
you know, I think they've been accumulating talent. I mean,

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this is the year where uh, you know, you gotta
go better than A and four. But back to Georgia
for a second. By the way, I'm looking at a
way too early top. You know, twenty twenty three NFL
Draft and uh Georgia Jalen Carter defensive tackle projected to
go number two overall and uh Keiley Ringo, cornerback from
Georgia protected to go number seven overall. So this is

(02:31:12):
from Pro Football Network dot Com. But it just shows
you that the talent isn't um it's not falling off
anytime soon, And it speaks to exactly what you just said.
When you look at fifteen guys drafted, when you look
at UH two guys projected to go in the top
ten next year. Uh. It just shows they were probably
the most talented roster in college football this year in
a year that Alabama wasn't overwhelming. Um, and they were

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supposed to win the title and they did. Coming up,
we will wrap the show. I got one more draft
question for Jason Martin. Also will preview the NFL games
that are coming up. Aaron Tores, Jason Martin, Fox Sports Radio.
Welcome back everybody, Fox Sports Radio, Fox Sports Saturday. Aaron Torres,
Jason Martin, Final segment of the show. First of all,

(02:31:55):
shout out to Jason says, thank you Jamart Radio and
Aaron Underscore Tour. It's for another great night of super
Saturday Sports show. Be well, my friends, Thank you Jason.
Uh and yeah, if you want to tweet in on
this final segment at Aaron Underscore Tours at j mart Radio.
Real quick, real real quick. Here. UM, it means nothing,

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but I am curious for your thoughts. I I mentioned
I opened up a three mock draft just just to
get a field. No. But but what's interesting was I
looked at a few of them today. They all have c. J.
Stroud going above Bryce Young, is that, Like I don't
remember coming out of the season. Now, I know c J.

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Stroud had the incredible Rose Bowl where he threw for
a million yards and they won forty five whatever was
they won by three? Um? Has this been a thing, like,
I don't know if if you've been following it, that
c J. Stroud has surpassed Bryce Young that's the thing now? Yeah,
That's that's what I've heard from all the college football
people that I have spoken with in the last couple
of months. Uh. If you listen to some of the

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mock guys, ones that do the draft for a living
that that's their career, all of them seemed to be
united on the c J. Stroud is the one. UM. Now,
I'll be curious to find out whether or not that
shifts because a lot of times you'll see a top
fifty going into the season, and I don't even mean
on May one. I mean on like August or something

(02:33:23):
like that. There'll be a top fifty that will come out,
and then you'll see names pop up, especially at quarterback,
that weren't in the top fifty. Like famously two years ago,
I remember looking and we went back and looked at
this after the fact, over the last year or so,
Zach Wilson wasn't anybody's top fifty going into that season,
and then all of a sudden he just emerged and

(02:33:44):
the hype train hit him. And that's what I kept
waiting to see, maybe with Malik Willis or one of
these guys, which one is the hype train gonna be behind.
And it went the opposite way, because the hype train
was already on Sam how when the season started, and
then it went in the opposite direction. But yeah, to
your question, c J. Stroud is the one that is
getting the most love right now. And it's interesting considering

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where Bryce Young plays and the success that we've seen,
especially in the draft for the last what three quarterbacks
with Hurts going pretty early, to are going early, Mac
Jones going early, uh, and Bryce is gonna go early.
But most tend to favor c J. Stroud in terms
of what he's gonna do on the next level. Very

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interesting stuff. I had not heard that, um, And obviously,
you know, listen, Bryce Young has I don't want to
say deficiencies. He is a little smaller, I get that,
but you know, I had not heard that c J.
Stroud in some draft circles had surpassed him. Thought that
was interesting. Really quick, uh to NBA games tomorrow. We
got the first one Boston Milwaukee that one. I mean,
Bernie said the same thing that I did. I feel

(02:34:51):
like three of the four. It sounded like Bernie feels
the same of the series. I I'm sorry, I think
that that they're gonna go a certain way. I do
like Memphis to struggle against Golden State. I do think
Miami easily takes care of Philly, and I do think
Phoenix mostly takes care of Dallas. This Milwaukee Boston one
is the one that I don't know how I feel.
I mean, I think having home court advantage really helps Boston.

(02:35:14):
They're playing really well. I also kind of feel like
Milwaukee's got that championship pedigree. I know Chris Middleton will
see what his status is as this series goes on.
What do you think of this series? I think this
one is by far, by far to me. I know
you said each of the two tomorrow you're fascinated by.
I would argue to me, this is the most interesting one.
Really excited to see it. So I kind of am

(02:35:36):
two minds. Boston had the Pizzaz series right. Even though
I thought Memphis Minnesota was the best first round series,
Boston Nets had everybody's attention. Milwaukee Chicago just kind of
floated under the radar because as you watched the series,
you realize even though there were guys that you liked
on that Bulls roster, they just didn't have enough and

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Milwaukee was able to own them. This is a series
where Chris Middleton's absence would be felt that as great
as Jones isn't and when he is at his best,
I don't think anybody can touch him. Like watching him
in that last series was very eye opening. But Tatum's
playing great ball. Boston plays great team basketball, they play

(02:36:18):
great team defense. They're united in doing their specific role
for that team. There's no hero ball that gets played
by the Boston Celtics. I look at them right now
and I'm just like, man, I love you, honest and
I love some of the pieces in Milwaukee, and I
don't think that it would be a shock at all
to see them win. Boston just seems like a runaway

(02:36:41):
freight train right now. They seem to be the hot
team with a budding star who's maybe right around the
top five player in this league now and Tatum all
dialed in, all bought in, all enjoying playing together, and
they're healthier the Milwaukee. So I tend to thank Boston's
gonna come out of that series. I had Golden State

(02:37:01):
coming out of the West before we started the playoffs,
so I still do. But I don't think that's gonna
be an easy series. I think that's gonna be one
where you realize Memphis is gonna be here for a while,
even though I think it will probably be a six
game series. Yeah, I I kinda. I just I think
that sometimes these young teams they hit a wall, you
know what I mean. Look at Memphis. I mean they

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struggled to to take care of Minnesota. If Minnesota could have,
you know, as as we discussed earlier, held on to
a couple more leads. I mean, that could be going
to a game seven to morrow rather than a game one,
uh Monday. You know, Miami Philly, unless you have some
crazy insight that I don't have. Philly doesn't have Joe
l Embiad at least to start the series. He's out
indefinitely because of the facial facial fracture. I think Miami

(02:37:45):
might sweep uh Phoenix Dallas. Dallas is another one. I
think they're a good story, Luca, all that good stuff.
But Devin Booker came back played the closeout game. Chris
Paul I think is as weird as it sounds. Thirty
six years old, thirty seven years old, whatever, he is
playing about as well as he has that I can
ever remember. I'm curious to see Phoenix, but I think
Phoenix takes care of Dallas in this one. Yeah, I

(02:38:07):
do too. I don't disagree with anything you just said.
If if in B's not playing, we don't even have
to have that discussion. But even if he is, I've
still got Miami and winning that series. And then with
Dallas and Phoenix. Dallas is a prime example of one
of those teams in the West where there's one guy
that you really like, but the supporting cast isn't good enough.
We saw it with Lillard forever in Portland. We're now

(02:38:27):
seeing it with Yo Kitchen Denver. Even though I think
he's gonna stick around, they've still got to have more.
And when they had one dudeo down, all of a
sudden things changed for them. When Murray went down, Lucas
just not enough Lucas good, but Lucas not enough against
a team the caliber of Phoenix. I don't think they're
ready for this moment. I don't think Dallas is ready
for this moment. So I tend to agree with you again.

(02:38:50):
The the two games tomorrow, Milwaukee plays at Boston at
one pm Eastern. Golden State plays at Memphis at what
would that be three thirty eastern? Sorry, I'm looking at
the Pacific Coast schedule here, but it is one pm
Eastern for Milwaukee Boston, three thirty eastern for Golden State Memphis.
We gotta get out of here. I want to thank
the crew, want to thank board opp Don, want to
thank producer Eric Steve de Seger on the updates coming up.

(02:39:14):
Bernie Fratto straight out of Vegas, getting you caught up
on the week that was in Vegas, NFL Draft, NBA more,

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