Steve Hartman and Rich Ohrnberger talk Novak Djokovich and Baker Mayfield!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
You're listening to Fox Sports Living the Drain once again
on a fabulous Sunday. This is Fox Sports Sunday, Hartmann
and Orangeburger, and yes we are together in the Fox
Sports Radio studios. Another magnificent day in the world of sports.
Joker with another Wimbledon titled Today we got plenty of baseball,

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NFL news, the future, college football all in our hands
today and yes, NBA trade rumors as well. Richie, I
want to start the show today. First of all, how
are you today, Richie? We're all good. Uh, we got
some work being done in the building today. However, I've
been told that we've got chicken wings on the way.
We're on joining, some donuts, all the good things that

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really are perfect on a Sunday. I know you being
here because you weren't gonna be physically here. Sometimes you're
down the wine. But they knew if rich was here
they would have to treat you right. Yeah, yeah, And
I appreciate that because on my train inning table pre
show every show are donuts and chicken wings. It's in
my rider. Um, you know, it's an important It's how

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I fuel these performances and how I bring such electrifying
broadcast to the national airwaves. I'm I'm proud of that,
and I'm gonna stick to that formula of success all
right now. For us, we do our show all the
Hartman rich Oh Show during the week. We also have
a wildly popular TikTok account, and in many of our

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videos on TikTok, we engage in some kind of eating.
I want to share a story with you, rich So
Friday night, I was at the Padres game, the San
Diego Padres playing in the San Francisco Giants out of
Pecco Park, which was voted by USA Today as the
number one ballpark in all the country, and it certainly
lives up to the hype. I don't go to a
lot of games out there, you know. Sometimes we sit

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in the press box, but I mean sitting at the game.
So my son Garrett, who's twenty four, and I went
to the game and it was packed. They had these
City Connect jersey ease by the way, I tried to
buy one. They were completely sold out. They had a
couple of T shirts and I'm like, no, I didn't know,
I want the jersey not available. So a lot of women,
a lot of kids, some guys, decked out in these

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city connect Jersey. So I had asked you going into
the game about what is the best food at the ballpark,
and he said there are these Tried Tips sandwiches. So
we get down there and we walked not far from
where our seats were, and this said Tried Tips. So
I called you to make sure this was the right place,
you know, Oh yeah, this is the right place. You're
in the you're in the spot. So Garrett and I

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each order a Tried Tips sandwich, just the sandwich, and
then they had Tried Tip nachos. So Garrett, who's you know,
works out all the time, he's hungry, so he gets
the nachos as well. We then stopped by, we get
a couple of Pacific goes on tap. None of that
can be so Pacific goes on some limes. So yeah,

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so so we we sit down and I've got this
sandwich and I take you know, it looks great and
it's like and and I take a bite out of
the sandwich before it Garrett did, and I'm like, holy crap,
the meat was like butter. I mean it was it

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was so good. Like you know how it is you
sit down and see something man, that looks good and
then you bite into it, you know, like holy. There's
a place called Seaside Market in Northern County, San Diego
that makes the sandwich called out of try tip, called
Cardiff Crack, and it's like this little sleepy town. It's
not known for anything else other than the sandwich and

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the surfing. And I've never had anything like it in
my life. I'll make the voyage there occasionally, just on
a solo mission if I have nothing to do, just so.
I mean we're talking forty five minutes out the way
just to get the sandwich. They make them available at
Pecko Po. I mean it's just basically the tri tip
on a brioche butt and that's it. And I am
telling you good. And then Garrett Betty's holy crap. And

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then this tried tip was on the nachos with I
mean it was brew are you well? See this is
my point. So when you go to the ball game,
and there's a lot of great things about going to
a ball game, but the food is such a vital
part of it. Now, growing up here in Los Angeles,
going to Dodgers games so a treat to me because

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you got the Dodger dogs. He had peanuts. They also
had the carnation, you know, frozen malts. And basically it's
not a spoon. It's a like a wood paddle because
it's flat and you would sort of scrape it, but
as it starts to melt down that you would sort
of flipping. You get the underside. Oh, really really good.
But that's all they really serve. Now you go to

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these ballparks like a pecko. I mean, I mean you
talk about eaters, but so much because you look at
movie theaters. Now, yeah, how do you entice people to
go to the movie theater? Well, you give them recliners
with a button where people come to your seat, ask
you what you want to drink, and ask you what
you want to eat. They bring your food, they bring

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you your pop, drink my red wine. You have a
little wine. You got a martini in your hand. Life
is good. You take a little nap, you wake up
for the culmination. Yeah, like it is an experience now
it's it truly feels like they are catering to you
in a way they never used to have to because
they at home. Experience has increased to the point where
you need to find unique ways to get people in

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seats at venues. How do you do that at a
ballpark that's a huge ware may food adventure for people
to go on aside from taking the ball game. How
did they get that tri tip? I mean it was
literally melting in my mouth. So it's this burgundy pepper sauce.
I I don't know much about me. So they marinate it,

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and they marinated, and they marinated it breaks down all
that connective tissue and then they just cook it to
a perfect medium rare because it's just the meat and
that's it and the brio. But it's look, there are
certainly ridiculous Burgher's or or like you know, and and
the simpler the better. If if you can get the
seasoning just perfect and you can get the bread right,

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you've got it all. And they've got that figured out,
and you can get that peck Park, you can get
that at the stadium. It's one of the best sandwiches available.
Man oh man. I mean, you know, I was excited
about the possibility, but when I actually been into that sandwich,
I'm like, holy crossing ridiculous. Yeah, this is why I
you know, listen, there didn't steer me the wrong way
without that was for sure, great time at the ballpark.

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just for a second here, because the big story of
the day. Novak Djokovic wins his seventh Wimbledon, his fourth consecutive,

(06:53):
his twenty first Grand Slam title, and guess what, there
will not be a twenty second Grand Slam title this
year because as of right now, he's not allowed to
play in the U s Open because he's not vaccinated.
How do you feel about this now? So he was
banned from the Australian Open, which was a mess because
he'd already made the trip to Australia, was held down
all the way to the last second before they sent

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him home. He did play in the French and all
beat him there. He wins Wimbledon, but as of right
now he will not be playing at the US open
because again he is not vaccinated. How do you feel
about that? Yeah, it's uh, it's starting to feel strange
a little bit when you have certain regulations placed on
on players as a result of COVID protocols, because it

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feels like on the outside, there's not I'm not saying
there aren't people who are still struggling with COVID, whether
it's long COVID or they're you know in a certain
uh you know, uh whatever you called health circumstance that
this disease could have. Uh, you could have a much
harder time with it. Like there are still trouble cases

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around us amid US. But if you look around, like
for example, on the fourth of July, the beaches were
packed elbow to elbow while people were taking in the
fourth of July fireworks. If you go to a if
you went to Pecco Park this weekend, you know there's
not a mask in site. I mean, it just it
just is what it is. Society has gotten used to
the idea of living with COVID. Society has gotten used

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idea that you're going to be among people who are
vaccinated or unvaccinated. You're not gonna know that's going to
be your risk. And so I think personally what they
should do in this league and all leagues take a vote,
Take a vote. Will anybody in New York attending the
US Open be wearing a mask? Take a vote of
muscle amongst the players? Like you know what I mean?

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Say say to all the players, are all the media members,
all the people that Joker is gonna be in contact with,
and say, hey, what's your comfort level? And if you
receive if I mean if it swings one way wildly
or the other way wildly, uh, then then maybe you
have a harder decision to make. If it's like, yeah, hey, look,
you know he's not vaccinated, he shouldn't play. Well, it

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gives you, It gives you some solids that you're making
the right decision. But if everybody's saying, hey, look, if
if he doesn't want to get vaccinated, and we're all
comfortable with the fact that he's not vaccinated, then he
should play, that would be the way I'd resolve it.
But nobody's giving me a scepter or a crown to
figure out whether or not he complained the US Okay,
just it doesn't make any sense to me. It really

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doesn't I mean, you could meet That's the whole point.
All we were told from the very beginning. If you're
not vaccinated and you have to be tested, right, and
if you come in he get tested before you come
to the United States and you're negative, and then you
get them tested multiple times or even every day leading
or during the term, and if for anything else, you

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should be cool. I don't understand. I mean, obviously the fans,
they're gonna be there in New York watching the os.
They're not gonna be worrying any masks. So I don't
understand how it is that Djokovic can't, you know, test
prior to come in the United States multiple times. As
long as he tests negative, why can he come in?
Well here's the other thing. And and by the way,
without Djokovic, come on, I mean the US Open is

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what this is the number one player in the world.
I think. I think ideologically, people get very attached to
certain ways things are done, and it's either for a
short term or a long term, and they're resistant to
change because maybe they feel like it proves oh, well
he was right and we were wrong. I take the
ego out of it and just look around you and

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just see what's happening in the world around you, and
the comfort level of the fans who are attending, as
you mentioned our US Open or wimbled in and look
at the media members, look at the players themselves, look
at the staff who are going to work security at
these events, the ball retrievers on the court, look at
all these people, and see how comfort how comfortable they
are with allowing him to be there. Say, I mean,

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say that parameter is put in place, Like you mentioned,
he's tested twice a day the entire time, you know,
the two weeks leading up to the tournament, and the
entire time he's in the tournament, and that's that's that
seems overly punitive. But if he wants to compete in
this US Open, that's what he has to do. I mean, sure,
it's a pain in the neck for Joker. I'm sure
he doesn't he wouldn't want to do that, but I'm
sure he would rather do that than miss the U

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s Open. So yeah, it's just it's an interesting space
we're in because we're not quite out of the pandemic altogether, right,
but there are changes that are being made as a
result of the information we have now and the general
I would say the mentality of the general public about

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all of this has changed steeply because, as we mentioned,
fourth of July, go to any baseball game right now
anywhere in the country. There is a certain comfort level
here with dealing with this, vaccinated or unvaccinated that people
didn't have two years ago. All Right, so it's outraged
now here in the month of July. Spotlight is always overseas, right.

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We have wimbled in to start the month of July,
and then we have the Open Championship. Speaking of banning somebody,
the Open Haampionship has a big celebration coming up next
week and one person will not be there, not invited.
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So the Mother July. If you're an all sports fan,
this is sort of that month where you have three
main events. You have Wimbledon, you have the Baseball All

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Star Game, you have the Open Championship. I thought you
were gonna say the hot dog eating contest. Well, the
hot dog eating contests as well, and July I associate
um more with the hot dog eating contest than any
of the things. You just listen, All right, Well, here's
the thing about Wimbledon and the Open Championship. If you

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care about tennis or if you care about golf. The
good thing, especially if you live out on the West
Coast where we are, the events are real early in
the morning, like you're you're you're done, like you have
the final round the Open Championship by noon, what's over.
I mean, we we've already seen it all, which is
sort of cool. You get a early and you know,
there you are, you're watching some of the golf. Uh

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with the Open Championship, which is coming up this week. Now,
it's not just any Open Championship. It's the one hundred
and fiftie Open Championship and it's gonna be at the
birthplace of golf St Andrews, so all the everything is connected.
They have huge celebrations planned for this Open Championship traditionally
have the champions dinner very much like the Masters champions Dinner,

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and all the past champions come back. In fact, you're
allowed to play in the Open Championship up to the
age of sixty, and there are some guys that are
still sixth year under haven't played in recent years of
the Open Championship that will be playing simply because it's
such a historic time for the Open Championship. But one
guy who will not be there because he was told

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do not show up is a two time Open Champion,
one of the most famous names in golf, and that
is Greg Norman. He was told to stay home. In fact,
they were tolling Greg, hey, you're welcome any other year.
But with all this live tour stuff and the fact
that you are like promoting this like crazy, like this
is the only thing coming out of your mouth is

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to promote the live tour understandably concerning how much money
he was paid to do that. We don't want you
to overshadow what we're trying to do at this this
Open championship. Is that fair? Well, I'll put it this way.
It's up to every um, one of these governing bodies
to make their own rules. We're just talking about joker
and vaccination status and the US Open in tennis and

(15:31):
here for a different reason, lines are being drawn and
Greg Norman is going to have to listen or or
or not and show up anyways and get thrown out
of the deal. But um, but he's not welcome. And
and look I equated to this like, um, really scale
it down to like your family, Say, there's things going
on around the family that that obviously need to be

(15:53):
dealt with, but somebody passes away, someone important to a
lot of people in the family, you sort of put
all that aside for the funeral, right, Like look, we
got we got these fish to fry. Everybody is aware
of that. But let's make this about this, right, about
celebrating the life of this important person to all of us.
I think that is the theme here. I think what

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they're they're looking at is this is a seminal event
and golf. It's a particularly important one because it celebrates
the hundred fifty at the anniversary of this specific tournament,
and it's close to the birthplace of golf. And so
this is one of those things where it's like, we
we want the sport to be the course, the sport,

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the event to be the only uh newsworthy things that
come out of this, as opposed to, Hey, there was
controversy at the dinner. Hey, you know Greg Norman said
this or that, and you know it's just I get it.
I I kind of get this one. Now. If they
banned the whole lot of players who are playing for
the Live Golf Tour, I would say, whoa, what wha

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what are we doing here? Yeah, and they're not filming,
They're not nobody playing. Have to be playing, Dustin Johnson
will be playing. No one's being banned from this tourn
By the way, Greg Norman is over sixty, so he
wouldn't have played. It was just that he would have
been at the Champions dinner. You mentioned he might have
said something in the Champions dinner area about hey, the
live tour and this, that and everything else. I agree
with that. I I don't. And we haven't heard any

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feedback from Greg Norman about this. He hasn't publicly stated
this as an outrage or anything else. I think he
might get it. And they said, we're not saying that
you can't come back other years, you know, for the
it's just that this year we really want the spotlight
on this tournament, you know. And I think overall, and
and look, you pay attention to golf too, and we've
talked about this a little bit, but I sort of

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feel like the stance overall has softened a little bit
in terms of live golf and where the money's coming
from and people's knee jerk reactions to some of Phil
Mickelson's commons, some of Greg Greg Norman's comments. Now, I
think they're still being you know, castigated publicly in many
different circles for the things that they said and for

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the the way that this this uh, this golf league,
this rival golf league to the PGA Tour has been
built up. But I do feel like everybody's sort of
getting used to live golf being around and it's had
a very short existence. And say they get to year two,
say they get to year three, what does this look like?
You know? What is like? How how much different will

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the lexicon, the sports lexicon look with Live Tour entering
year two or year three. That's what I'm really curious about,
because does everybody sort of just admit to themselves, does
the general public admit, especially if it's successful and they
continue picking off different golfers of note that yeah, this
is just gonna be a part of this sports reality

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and either we all deal with it or not. The
only thing that could see buckling the the tours existence
is if major sponsors start bailing on the players are
on the tour itself. Well, a couple of just reci
only Uh let's say we had Ian Poulter, but again,

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and what's interesting money were they paying them and getting
guaranteed money you can't not get paid now on the
Live Tour? So you're like, Okay, saw sacrifice that sponsor
money and I'm gonna make up that and then some
by just playing in these tournaments. And what's interesting about
the word is because as you were talking about, I
pulled up the articles USA today, but it was Sports
Business Journal that reported this first. The MasterCard senior vice

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president of Communications says that we've paused activation of our
relationship with Ian Poulter and Graham. Like what that means
is they're ducking a little bit. They're saying, hey, yeah,
we don't want our you know, MasterCard members or the
public to come after us because of our association with
these golfers, and you know the bad press that they're getting.

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So we're just gonna duck for a little bit. We
may peek up over the foxhol when we we we
hear the last of the blasts and say, hey, no,
we're gonna remember that pause. Yeah, now we've hit play again.
You know, it was just a quick break, alright in alright, Graham,
We're all set and you continue moving forward. That's what
I think everybody's waiting to see what happens. Like, are

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there gonna be major consequence? I'm talking about significant losses
to the to the players who jumped ship to the
Lift Tour that instigate change, Like will Bryson d. Shambo.
If he gets dropped by his club sponsors, by his
club manufacturers, by all of his fine like, what does
he then tail between the legs say yeah, I'm I'm

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going to concede the rest of my contract money on
the Lift Tour and come back to the PGA. I
don't see that happening as a reality because how much
guaranteed money reportedly he was paid. But that is what
everybody's waiting to see. I just don't think that this
is And by the way, that the last tournament that
was an Oregon anybody talk about it. Doesn't even anyone
know who walked away with four point four million dollars

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that day, I don't remember. I think the PG eight Tour,
by calling attention, did more for the Live Tour than
Live toward Dip for itself. I think they're backing off now,
which is fine. Let it back off again. We're gonna
see the top names in the major golf championship. Speaking
of it's what we really care about, the Open Championship.
The news this morning is Tiger Woods is looking awfully

(21:20):
good leading up to this tournament. I'm just saying, well,
he'll play the guy striped the eighteenth screen coming in. Yeah,
you you were predicting he was gonna win the PGA Championship.
I did predict that. You actually picked him to win
the PGA. He barely lasted three rounds. But it would
be nice at least, you know, competitive on Sunday, uh

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next week, that would be great. All right, let's find
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(22:01):
historic day, Rich because this is the last show that
you and I are going to introduce here on the
vast Fox Sports Radio network. The legend himself and Mr
Ralph who is moving on to new adventures in his life.
Ralph Via, I can't believe it. I mean I can,

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but I can, and obviously we wish you all the best.
But a little melancholy. Yeah, a somber mood is taken
over the studio in the station and the nation as
it stands. Well, I'll just take you back to what
you were talking about then, because you talk about that
MasterCard deal. What it really is is the MasterCard deal
was negotiated probably with X number of PGA Tour events,

(22:45):
so they got to redo the deal. So it really
is no big deal. This is what we're gonna miss.
And and as far as the lift were in the
Gulf circles, the Live Tour got a heck of a
lot more attention than the John Deere Classic, which is
the point of what the of tour was. But I
don't remember who actually won that lip tournament in Oregon.
Who won that? Brandon Grace, Well, Brandon Greats, that's right,

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Brandon sixty two in a major championship. That guy there
you go, Yeah, he did win, four point for him.
Where is the next lip tournament? It is at in
New Jersey at Trump Bedminster, That's right. I think two
which was supposed to host the PGA Tour of It
this year. Right, are two of the tournaments at a
Trump course? Yes, the season finale will be a drought. Okay,

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there you go, there you go. So and you talk
about golf, will give you a quick, quick look of
the golf leaderboard right now, and that's at the Scottish Open.
You made't have noticed you, but you didn't that I'm
wearing the Scottish front today, you know what I By
the way, Ralph, I was watching the Golf Network, as
I often do at this time of the year, and

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they did the whole series of documentaries, many documentaries on
the history of Saint Andrews. Yes, some of them were
about the turn of the opens they've had there, but
there was this one that was just about the whole
scene and Tom Morris and Alan robertson the whole history
and the whole time I watched this, all I can
think about was you, because you were there and I

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watched it and thought about my time there. I couldn't
believe it actually happened at the Scottish Open. Right now,
we'll do that. Kirk, Kitty Yama, Xander Shoffley six underpar,
two shots ahead of Patrick Cantley, Tommy Fleetwood, Jordan's Speef.
Here's an interesting note. Kitty Yama, Shofflely Cantley all California
kids within a year of each other. They've been playing
against each other their whole lives. The whole lives, their

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whole golf lives. Yes on the Major League Baseball scoreboard
right now, one game in progress that has the Angels
playing at Baltimore. The Orioles have just exploded for four
runs in the fourth inning. Ryan Mountcastle and RBI double,
Ramone Arias and RBI single, and Ronando Odor a r
B I single. Four two Orioles over the Angels that

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is headed to the fifth inning about to get started. Washington, Atlanta,
Miami and the New York Mets Tampa Bay playing at Cincinnati.
At Wimbledon, Novak Djokovic is six four. Well, he's a
fourth set winner and he won the fourth set in
a tiebreak, beating Nick Kurios. One Grand Slam title leaves
him one behind Rafael Nadal right now, and it's four

(25:21):
straight Wimbledon titles. Here's the fund stat. Djokovic has not
been beaten on center court since that's a thirty eight
straight match wind streak. And I still maintain what if
he just showed up at the US Open at Flushing
Meadow with the would the government actually remove him from
the country like they did in Australia. Well, how did

(25:44):
how do he can't get in the country canny. There's
plenty of ways in this country, Steve. But people are
demonstrating every day. I mean, it's a plane to a
small airfield. You're in a right, So yes, he would
be escorted out of the country, do you think. I mean,
look what happened in Australia. This is not Australia, Steve.
A lot of things were a lot more stringent in

(26:05):
Australia than the U. S I'm just saying what would happen.
First of all, the US restrictions don't make any sense.
And I explained earlier why can't he just be tested
before he flies over here? Well, yeah, I I And
also maybe you know ralph is the US Open. Is
it like golf where all of these majors make their
own rules. It's run by the U s t A.

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The U s t A is not preventing him from competing.
The US Open is not preventing him from competing. Maybe
the rules will change, you know what I mean between
now and then. Even New York City that wouldn't let
Kyrie Irving play basketball is not predentially changed the rules
so he could play, which, by the way, coincided with
the start of the Yankee season because we're Yankees that
were not vaccinated exactly, and the Yankees are sitting with

(26:47):
the best recording baseball. I'm curious. I mean, look, it's
very possible. We know how fast rules can change and
exceptions can be made. So the story, I doubt the
stories over yet. And you have to ask, how many
of these guys that live in the Dominican Republic are
unvaccinated that have just kind of flown under the radar. Well,
the problem right now in tennis, you're really lacking star pallor.

(27:09):
I mean on the women's side with Williams sisters pretty
much done. I mean there's nothing on the women's side,
and on the men's side it's still Djokovic and and
the doll because Feders still down. So yeah, without Djokovic, yikes. Well,
and today Nick curios his performance was outstanding and with
his antics he draws eyeballs. So who knows, by the way, curious,

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I'll get to that right now. As a matter of fact, Ralph,
he will talk to you a little bit later. So
one point, I don't know, do you have the sound
on this, Ralph somewhere? So curios um. During the match
today there was apparently some woman that was just screaming
at him during the match, like she was you could
hear her vocal mad at him, or like well she

(27:52):
was ripping him and everything else. And he finally went over,
you know, to talk to what do they call it,
the chairman of the bar and the chairman there? Um,
I do we have that sound Ralph official? Okay, listen
to this. There's a couple of things you'll hear. At
one point, Curios saying how drunk she was, and then

(28:14):
actually talk about how many drinks she probably had had.
Listen this something I'm saving, you know, we want there's
not a big occasion. I didn't believe me. Again, he
close me the game because she drunk out of the
to me in the middle of the game, what's acceptable?

(28:34):
Said seven drinks? All right, So he said, she's drunk
out of her mind in the middle of the day.
What does she have like seven hundred drinks? Why is
she still here? Well, you know what, I actually sigh

(28:54):
with him, and I normally don't when an athlete is
complaining about a hecklert, but it all all to me.
It's all environmental, like in a basketball arena. It bothers
me intensely when you see a fan get thrown out
if they're just throwing verbal barbs at a player and
they're not crossing a line, like you know, look, all

(29:15):
all booing is derogatory in some way. It's just a
matter of who's receiving the booze. If it's Kobe Bryant,
he has no problem with it. He encouraged it during
his playing days. But if it's Russell Westbrook, he's all sensitive.
I mean people called him Westbrook and he was basically
crying postgame, talking about how that's not my name and
you know that's the name I give my son. And

(29:36):
if you know what happens when you complain about it,
then going to amplify it. Yes, Sam Well, when Rich
says who's receiving the booze? I get to look confused.
There is that the woman in the crowd or is
it curious the high she was? But as he said,
you know what is she's completely a snicker snocker or whatever.

(29:56):
She's drunk out of her mind in the middle of
the day. What does you have seven hundred drinks? I like?
And it is the Wimbledon fight? Yeah, yeah, we got Yeah,
I mean you go to you know, a stand up
comedians performance. And if you're you're heckling a comedian and
it's to the deterrent and the lack of or or
it's affecting the entertainment value to the rest, to the

(30:18):
rest of the people, then get rid of them. You
know what I mean. If it's happening at a golf
match where somebody's following a golfer who people are specifically
interested or not, it doesn't really matter, but and constantly
shouting in their backs, get rid of them because environment
is everything. This the Masters, you know this, As somebody
started yelling at at any golfer, they would be removed

(30:39):
faster than you can even blinken eye. Yeah, it's like God,
I mean, you would be out of here. And I mean, look,
it's the men's final. Wimbled then curious. Look he's a
controversial figure, He's done a lot of crazy things, but
I'm with him on this. I mean, come on finals,
I mean come on it. Like if if you go
and see yo Yo ma the cellist and somebody's in

(31:00):
the front and row going go yo yo, I mean
eventually somebody's gotta throw that guy out on his head.
I don't care how many bloody Mary's he's at and
how much money he's donated to the symphony. You get
him out of there because it destroys it for everybody else.
This is an example of that. I side with him.
There are things that I don't sign with him over.
I've seen some of the antics. You know, a lot
of it feels like he just wants attention. But yeah,

(31:23):
it's just it just depends on the environment. It just
would imagine Djokovic would have said the same thing. I mean, well,
we really don't need that, okay. I mean, everybody else
seems to be fine. We don't care about cheers or booze.
But if he got one just belligerent woman that is
completely out of seven hundred drinks, seven hundred drinks he
probably had out there. So I carry us a little

(31:44):
bit upset about that. By the way, I wanted to
touch very briefly, because I know you have such disdain
for this, but I want to get to something very briefly.
And it was a move made by Major League Baseball
that I am applauding today, and that is he sation
of Albert pooh Holes and Miguel Cabrera to the American
League and National League All Star teams. Now, I know

(32:06):
that you have disdain for Pro Bowls, all Star games, awards,
and everything else. And I said it was interesting because
I said this last week we were talking to John
Paul Moroseiel Johness a little bit later on from the
MLB network that it is the fans game. This is
not about who really is having the best half season.
My biggest problem, it's supposed to be an All Star Game,
right if you had a good half season. You know,

(32:29):
this happens all the time. Some complete no name has
a couple of hot months and then they get named
to the All Star team. I remember, for years, Rich
I used to go and cover the All Star Game.
I remember I was in Seattle and two thousand one,
I was in Chicago and two thousand three. Then I
remember going to Houston in two thousand and four and

(32:49):
was the day before you know, I got the home
run derby and everything else. So I'm down on the
field and I'm walking around and I'm literally looking at
these All Stars. I have no clue who these guys are.
Just because you've had a hot couple of months, to me,
does not make you an All Star. I think it's
you know, and by the way, who gets rewarded for
the great second half of the season, like when the

(33:11):
games are on the line, your World Series, nothing because
the All Star Games in the middle of the year.
So I applaud this. Look at right now, Pooh Holes
is hitting under two hundred, but he's one of the
all time greats. Cabrera is actually having a nice comeback season.
But these are the guys who you know, three thousand
hits in their career, five hundred home runs. These are
Hall of famers. That's who I want to see. They

(33:34):
did this, by the way, with Willie Mays at the
end of his career, stand Musical, Ted Williams, Mickey Mantle,
all these guys were always on the All Star team.
So I applaud major League Baseball to recognize two of
the all time great players and Pooh Hols and Cabrera
and include them evenute they're not technically All Stars. Right now,

(33:55):
these are all time grades and that to me is
when the All Star Games should be. You look, get
the home run leader list right now in Major League Baseball,
and um, you're Don Alvarez is a spot ahead of
Mike Trout. And I look, I mean they're both outfielders,
but say they played the exact same position, and say
you're Don Alvarez got selected over Mike Trout for the

(34:17):
All Star Game or for the home run Derby, Like,
who who do you really want to see out there?
It's the fans, It's the fans game. It's an exhibition.
Accounts for nothing. These stats are are literally thrown away
and and set on fire after the game ends. So
to your point, much to my chagrin, everybody takes these things,
the subjective lists that we create so seriously, to the

(34:41):
point where contracts can be altered and and negotiations can
be altered as a result of it. It's so completely
meaningless in the grand scheme of things. And the only
way you incur more interest is if you make it
special for the fans. That's the only relevance it has
any more in society. Otherwise, get rid of it all together,

(35:01):
because it does not matter. I completely agree with you.
I mean, again, these are all stars. That's an all star,
Albert Pooh Holes, Miguel Cabrera, those are stars. That's who
I want to see in the All Star Game, all
right throughout the show today, We're gonna be sprinkling some
thoughts about some big happenings in both the NFL and
college football, A new twist on the dilemma where college

(35:25):
football is going next? Coming up next, Steve Harmon, Rich Hormburger,
Fox Sports Sunday, An we got a lot of NFL
news are gonna get to through the course of the show.
Do you realize we're just weeks away? I mean literally
weeks away? In fact, how about this? You're ready for this?
We are eighteen week away Buffalo Bills in Las Vegas.

(35:48):
Racers rookies will report to camp on July eight. That's
a week from tomorrow. So that's when we're gonna get
the first bodies at training cats. That's all close. I
can't tell you how different my attitude is about training
camp now. Um, being a former player, my last year
was the last like training camp I was even close

(36:10):
to a part of because it was coming back from injury.
I had to work out with the Steelers, had to
work out with the Bills obdly um and I remember
thinking like, oh gosh, if I get signed, I just
hope I don't get signed during training camp. I hope
I get signed after training camp like until the regular season,
and then there's like this veteran acclamation period where you

(36:31):
don't you're not allowed to hit anybody for a little bit.
Like I was just you know, it's like you don't
want to look a gift force in the mouth. The
job's a job. But after six years playing and coming
back from a major back surgery, I was like, if
I get signed, if I could choose it, I would
just like to skip all that nonsense and just get
to the season. Eventually we may get to that point.
To be honest, you they've reduced training camp extent that Yeah,

(36:54):
we're heading in that direction now six years later, completely
divorced from my career. I it's so excited for training camp. Well,
we're just excited to have football back. So we got
NFL news. We're gonna definitely get to today. But also
I want to touch on college football yesterday Jeff Schwartz
and I and of course Jeff has this big association
with the Pac twelve conference, so he offers a lot

(37:16):
of insight in their perspective. Now, we had seen this
story during the week after the defection of USC and
u c l A to the Big Ten that suddenly
the pack twelve officials remaining schools want to move up
the deadline to negotiate a new TV contract, which of
course makes sense to me except that how does that
make sense of your the TV network. But he had

(37:36):
some interesting things to say, and I think I'm in accord.
First of all, what was interesting because a week ago
Jeff and I and Jeff's the University of Oregon guy,
and he knows the Nike money and all this, but
he is now conceding the fact that Oregon UH presents
very little interest for the Big Ten because of the market,
because of where there are. The state of Oregon is

(37:58):
not they are picking off. When you look at Maryland,
when you look at Rutgers, when you look at these
schools that were brought into the Big Ten, it has
less to do with the draw of the schools as
opposed to the markets they come from. Fox wanted Los
Angeles and they take it on USC and U c
l A. It's not like U c l A has

(38:19):
put up huge numbers in the l A market when
they put play football, but it is the l A market.
Now Here's something that he said that to me was
extremely interesting. When you talk about the value of a patrol.
Let's just say for a second that they do no expansion,
or let's say they do this. Let's say they add

(38:41):
San Diego State, un l V SO Vegas, San Diego
markets and I was even talking to rap about this.
Let's say they also throw in like Nevada, Reno and
Fresno State. Okay, now, what does this do. Well, if
you're ESPN and you're doing all day television, right, you
need those night games. Yes, you do. The value to

(39:03):
the West Coast gains because it fills out the rest
of your schedules. So even though we think you lose
USC and U C l A, you're losing money as
a conference. The irony here is they actually may make
more money. It's possible because again, this game isn't about
attendance at stadiums or the size of stadiums anymore gate revenue.

(39:24):
This is about viewership. It's the same reason why the
NBA has less attendance at the regular season games than
ever before, and they're making more money than they ever have.
They have a twenty five billion dollar contract, they're aiming
to have a seventy five billion dollar contract when they
re up. Why are they able to do that because
viewership at home it live sports. Trump's everything else on television,

(39:48):
everything else on television. So if you have a college
football entity that covers a bunch of those markets of interest,
like you're mentioning Central Valley, UH, Nevada, UNI, un l
v U States, Southern Coupbory, all of a sudden, you
got a money maker that gives you a late night
program and continue your college football day NFL News. Now
that Baker mayfields in Carolina, what's next on the quarterback carousel?

(40:11):
It's a big, big Sunday, to say the least, around
the sports world. And we are here once again with
this edition of Fox Sports Sunday Steve Hartman and Rich
Hormburger here in the Fox Sports Radio studios. All right,
we've already had uh some donuts, Yes we have uh
And apparently wings are on the way, Wings are on

(40:32):
the way. I just love today. Yeah, yes, yes, Sundays
to me are about I mean, if you can, right,
I mean, some people are working. We're working. If you
want to call this work, you know, if you can,
It's about firing up the grill or get a couple
of people together, having a couple of Bruski's, maybe a
bloody Mary. Maybe maybe that bloody Mary becomes the meal.

(40:54):
What I'm loving what they're doing with bloody Mary's that
brunch these days is they're turning them into uh like
on an appetizers. So you order a bloody actually at
the full stock of food on a skewer with a
with a pork pulled pork slider on it, gherkin, and
then a level of pepperoni, and then maybe another delicious
like a supersada as opposed to just the salary celery stick,

(41:19):
you know, the stock that you used to stick and
you just eat the celery and they don't give you
like a normal cup. They give you a picture. So
you're getting like wheelbarrowed out of this brunch place and
you know it's just by the way again. Follow us
Hartman and Rich show on TikTok Now this week we
are actually I did the math on this because I
was talking to uh, my mother in law about the

(41:43):
last time I played golf. Okay, because the last time
I remember, the last time I played golf was with her,
as a matter of fact, because she plays a lot
of golf spaces at a local club in the San
Diego area, and she did the math on this. The
last time I swung a golf club was more than
seven years ago. Wow, it's been more than seven This

(42:09):
was after I came back to Sandy. That's the last
time I swung a golf club. So this week, uh,
and we're gonna have plenty of this on our TikTok,
that's for sure. Um. So I went back to the
house and I sort of reassemble my golf bag. I
have nice clubs. I have a nice bag. I got

(42:29):
everything you got. Some of them are the old hickory chaft.
None of that I have, although I do have a
I have a putter that was like a gift, like
a personally putter. It's got my name engraved in it
and everything else. So I was hoping Scotty Cameron himself
forged it in his basement. I was signed tod. I
was gonna maybe have, you know, go the range to

(42:50):
hit some balls prior to when I think we're gonna
play on Thursday. But I will not be doing that.
When we tee off on Thursday, that first swing will
literally the first time I swung a golf club in
seven years. I had a recent discovery and uh, it's
so like, Okay, So I was an athlete, if you

(43:11):
want to call it that, playing offensive wine for years
and years and years, and every time I've gone golfing,
I've always had an easier time, you know, the you know,
the second you know, obviously when you make the turn,
you're playing the back nine. And I never correlated why
until very recently, because I got out and played golf
recently with our producer down in San Diego, Ben Fletcher,

(43:33):
And so I'm swinging my club a lot easier, and
I realized I never thought of it as an athletic
in Denver, so I've never stretched. I've never done any
warming up. I've always just teed up the ball and
just hammered it. And how did you feel, like the
next day, could you feel every muscle to use? Really?

(43:53):
But that's part of the reason why I don't think
I ever really considered a warm up. I just went
out there and just you know, whacked away. But but
I stretched, like I actually went through a little like, hey,
I'm gonna turn my trunk a couple of times here.
I don't know, I'm gonna swing my shoulders around a
little bit. But this is why you do, uh, you know,
some recreational drinking when you play golf, because it just

(44:14):
naturally loosens you off. A little swing Greece, you know,
bourbon shop pickle back before you hit the course. I'm ready,
I'm rolling out there. Give me a little pint point
because it has the pickle juice. Obviously it's a it's
a hydrated all right. So that day I will be

(44:34):
And by the way, I have to pay off a
bet that we had on the USFL. Yes, this is
how deck. This is how sick we are. We're making
bets on USFL. So that and USFL will be back
for another season. We knew that was gonna happen. Uh,
So we're gonna have good time out there. But yeah,
my clubs are ready. I'm ready to roll. But that
first swing it's gonna be okay. You know what think

(44:56):
about golf is like, I mean, I played plenty of
golf over the years, but it's like, you know, with
zero expectations can actually work for me? No, So I
just sort of just say, let's let it fly, can
I tell you? As opposed to like thinking, I know,
if I just a little more of that, you know,
I can't do that. My favorite golf story of all
time was I was playing with a bunch of buddies,

(45:17):
just like a municipal course back home in New York.
I was visiting some family and we had nothing to do,
so we go to the course. We're sharing a bag,
me and one of my buds, and he asked me
to toss him like a long iron. You know. I
think I was hitting like a six or five or
something like that, and he's like, he's like, I just

(45:37):
throw it, because he was kind of like across a
little you know whatever you call creek, and so I
heave this club and he's got the cart pulled up
on the other side of this creek. He loses the
club in the sun. It rattles off the top of
this cart and crushes him right in the forehead. This
guy walked around like a unicorn. And the rest of

(45:57):
the day, I mean, the drinking at that point escalated entirely.
Well that's say, that's the whole point of the drinking,
the less in the pain as you're playing the game.
All right. Uh. Some NFL news this week, and the
big story this week was Baker Mayfield was traded to
the Carolina Panthers essentially given away. When you think about
this deal, so his salary for the year eighteen point

(46:19):
eight million, However, the Browns are gonna eat ten million
of that. He literally forfeited, sort of rolled it into
possible incentives like three and a half million, so the
Panthers are early on the hook for five. Meanwhile, they're
gonna pay Sam Donald the full eight team point eight
million this year, and they're calling it an open competition

(46:40):
for the starting job in carol lineup. And when you
think about the domino effect of what ultimately happens in
Carolina in the battle between Baker Mayfield and Sam Donald
for that starting job, it really is intriguing. There's still
an X factor team in this league as far as
the quarterback position, and it's concerned, and that is the

(47:02):
Seattle Seahawks. Now, the Seattle Seahawks are telling everybody that
they're really sold on Drew Lock. But when you think
about it, if you're the Seattle Seahawks right now and
they've gutted this team, they've said goodbye to Bobby Wagner
and some of the longtime mainstays in that Seahawks organization,

(47:22):
wouldn't you be best served if you I don't know.
I'm not going to use the word tank this season,
but if you have a really bad year and all
of a sudden you're looking at the top two picks
in the draft and they're C. J. Stroud and Bryce Young,
I don't know, wouldn't that serve Seattle a lot better
than let's say, investing in the loser of the battle

(47:43):
between Bryce I mean between Baker Mayfield and Sam Darnold,
or maybe picking up a Jimmy Garoppolo if you were
getting released by the forty nine years, wouldn't better, servey
if you're Seattle, if you just say, yeah, where we
believe in Drew lock But to be like wink wink,
we believe it him roll off a three and fourteen
season suddenly land one of these primetime quarterbacks at the

(48:05):
top of the draft. Listen, Um, there are two ways
to rebuild. You could do it the way that the
Steelers have done over the years, which is you really
never have a bad season, Um, and you try to
maximize your defense so that it can believe in a
bad offense. And that's been that's been a track that

(48:26):
they've been on for years and years and years hard
running game. Uh, you know, throwing the football more often
with Matt Canada as your offensive line or offensive coordinator
than has been in years past. But still you're focused
around playing great defense and having a strong run game.
It's a lot harder way to win. Uh, it's a
lot harder way to win. But in the a f

(48:46):
C North it kind of works. In the NFC West,
it's just not gonna work. I just don't really see
that style football working at so far and in Arizona,
and when you go and you visit the forty niners,
we're not talking about like outdoor cold weather games. Or
you really gotta be good on the great on the

(49:09):
run game. You know, you kind of gotta be faster,
you gotta you gotta be a movement offense. You gotta
do some things well. So Russell Russell Wilson flies the coope.
You got two choices. Either you spend a tremendous amount
of money or draft capital in trade or free agency
to find a quarterback that's willing to come to your team.
And if you can't do that, then you tank. Then

(49:31):
you sign a quarterback who you know is going to
at least give you some legitimacy because he's been a
starter in this league recently. But you know he's not
going to overachieve. You know that Drew Locks not gonna
win you a Super Bowl. He's not gonna win you
a division, especially when you look around then IFC West
right now, Yeah, I look, Pete Carroll's like, we believe
in Drew lock and a lot of fans were like,

(49:54):
why okay. I One of the most unsung tank jobs
and the history of the NFL was pulled off flawlessly
by the Indianapolis Colts. You remember this. So Peyton Manning,
having led the Cold see you on ninth straight double
win seasons, gets the neck injury and so he misses
the entire eleven season. Coles made no move to get

(50:16):
a quarterback. And what happened They went two and fourteen
whether that went him the first pick in the draft
in Andrew Luck, and immediately they win eleven games the
next three years. So they was one of the perfect
tank jobs of all time because they were they didn't
do anything to try to fill the void with Peyton
Manning out for the year. They go to and fourteen

(50:39):
wins them the number one pick in the draft. They
get Andrew Luck and immediately they go right back to
where they were with Peyton Manning. And I gotta believe
that the Seahawks right now have to be thinking the
exact same thing. You've got two quarterbacks projected that are
you know, Bryce Young and c. J. Stroud are gonna
be at the top of this draft. You get one
of those two guys, and you're off and running again.

(50:59):
And these most people think that with these who knows,
maybe they won't be as good as advertise. There's still
some questions about Bryce young side, and we know college
football like it's gonna be more than that too. It's yeah,
it's Stroud and Young right now, but somebody's gonna kind
of out of somewhere and have a season and put
it all together. And then it makes the decision harder
if you're selecting at the top of the draft, all right.
So on the other side, then let's say, let's say

(51:20):
Seattle is not in play, So what happens to the
loser of the showdown between Mayfield and Sam Donald And
where does Jimmy Garoppolo fit in, if anywhere, as the
starting quarterback in the NFL. Will break it down coming
up next Steve Arban and a Rich Armburger Fox Sports
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(51:42):
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or in stores. We mentioned the fact that training camps
will open start opening not this week, but the following week.
By the end of the following week, training cats will

(52:04):
be open around the NFL. So we're getting close and
there'll be a lot of eyes on what happens in Carolina.
Let's talk about this showdown between Baker Mayfield and Sam Donald,
and I've talked to a number of people. Adam Kaplan
our Fox Sports Radio NFL Inside, we talked about what's
gonna happen down in Carolina. Well, people expect Baker Mayfield
to win the job, which is interesting because Caroline is

(52:26):
only paying him five million dollars as opposed to Sam Donald,
who's at eighteen point eight million dollars. Well, that's a
big number, but it's not as big as the number
Jimmy Garoppolo carries if he plays in that's five million dollars.
All right, So we both talked about Seattle situation, and
maybe they're not all that anxious to bring in yet

(52:48):
another quarterback because they may have their sightset on a
tank season. Don't use the words, but it might work
out for them if they get a top level quarterback
in the wrap. Well and by the way, remember they
traded draft capital or they got draft capital and returned
from the Denver trade, so they'll pick twice in the
first round exactly, So they're they're in a prime position

(53:12):
to get a really top pick, and they so choose
it benefits them, Like if you think about it, if
Denver Bronco goes on the Denver Broncos go on a
super Bowl run, it benefits them to improve the draft
status of their draft pick that they have fore by
having an awful season. Well, I mean think about this.
Let's Seattle. Let's say Seattle goes I don't know, let's say, well,

(53:35):
let's say they go five and twelve and they're sitting
at number five and not number one or two, but
they have the draft capital obviously to move up. They
can move up into a top if indeed, c J. Stroud,
Bryce Young or another quarterback sort of emerges as a
hot commodity. So but this is this is what I'm
trying to figure out. All right, Let's let's assume for
a moment here that Baker Mayfield is gonna beat out

(53:58):
Sam Donald. I'm assuming that. I'm it's not written in
stone for sure. I mean her, Baker Mayfield, You're not
gonna have a whole lot of time to get into
the new system and really show you where unless they
already have the mindset. But it would be the Makerfield
will be the guy. It would be impossible for Baker
Mayfield to earn the starting position when you have this

(54:18):
report from twenty hours ago, so yesterday, that the Browns
you Baker as being childish and immature and was often
difficult to coach. So how could he absorb this offense
if he's so difficult to coach? It would be a
mere impossibility for Baker Mayfield to suddenly change who he
is and how immature he is to absorb the Carolina

(54:39):
Panthers often. I mean, I believe everything the Browns are
saying to be true. I mean, they have a spotless,
peerless track record in the NFL. Right now, how could
I not take on this this reporting and say, my goodness,
how will Baker Mayfield ever ever win this starting job
over Sam Donald? Has been so good? Well, look, Baker

(55:01):
Mayfield is going to be the starting quarterback of the
Carolina Panthers like in one thousand percent guarantee. It will
not be Sam Darna, assuming again they both stay healthy. Alright, alright,
so let's let's let's move to the next level. Baker
Mayfield will be the starting quarterback of the Carolina Panthers
in provided he stays healthy. So where does this leave
Sam Donald? And where does this leave Jimmy Garoppolo. Now,

(55:24):
what's interesting about the Garoppolo situation is is that Vegas
has actually posted odds on the over under for touchdown
passes for Trey Lance this year. Now, think about that
for a second. You've already put it out there. You
can place away to the overrunners twenty one and a
half touchdowns. Trey Lance is not gonna get twenty one

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and a half touchdown passes if he's a backup to
Jimmy Garoppolo. So and again, Vegas doesn't do anything, per chance.
They know that Tray Lance will be the starting quarterback
of the forty Niners in two. All right, so Trey
Lance is the starting quarterback of the forty Niners, and

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in Carolina it's gonna be Baker Mayfield, and in Seattle
it's going to be Drew Lock because they really don't
care what happens this season, the worst, the better. So
where exactly does that put you in terms of Sam
Donald and Jimmy Garoppolo? What is their fate? If you're
the forty Niners, are you're gonna carry Jimmy Garoppolo at

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twenty million dollars this year? Because it's not a guaranteed contract.
You can release him now you're still on the hook
for some of it, obviously with the cap, but not
the whole amount. But you have to pay him twenty
five million if he's on your roster to be a
backup quarterback. So how do you think this is gonna
play out for Sam Donald and Jimmy Garoppolo? You know

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what's crazy about all this? I'm sure that the forty
Niners want to slam the door shut on Jimmy g
being their starting quarterback or rumors that he could be
in two and move on to Trey Lance officially, but
there's a part of me that believes that if they
can't move him, Jimmy g will end up being the starter.

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Like I, I I understand Vegas. And if you if
you do that, then you should pound the under on
and and that's kind of Look, I'm not telling you
where to spend your money, but if it were me
today and I had money to to to throw away
at a bet, I'm probably hitting that under because like

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you said, you're you're just you're locked up. Like so,
either you spend the money and he's the most expensive
backup to ever exist on a roster in the history
of the NFL, or you let him play because he's
beloved by his teammates. He's a tremendous leader. He's led
you to two NFC Championship games, he's one one for

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the franchise. He's he's smashed a bunch of forty niners
historical record. It's in term of path in terms of passing,
and he's been hurt. I mean, and that's saying a
lot because you're talking about your your peers are Steve
Young and Joe Montana. Now, I mean, obviously he's not
going to I'm not quite sure what records Jimmy garoppolos.
I'll give you one. I'll give you one of them.

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He he played the fewest games, durned ten thousand passing
yards history. By the way, his starting record as a
San Francisco forty Niners quarterback is thirty one and fourteen.
He's a winner, and in terms of the playoffs, his
record is four and two. I'm not telling you that
Jimmy Garoppolo is the best option for the forty Niners,

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but they may be in a situation where there's somewhat
handcuffed to Jimmy Garoppolo because of the size of his contract,
because of his injury history, and whether or not Trey
Lance can beat him out, because that's other that Look,
that's the other thing that is at play here. If
you can't move his contract, if he can't be traded,
you either welcome him to training camp and he practices
with the team and he runs with the two as

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while you're seeing if Trey Lance can hack it as
a one. But what happens if that happens. What happens
if that happens, if he's practicing with the team and
it becomes abundantly clear that your better option at quarterback
is running with the two's. Well, all of a sudden,
guess what happens. You either move him to your starting
quarterback or there's a locker room mutiny on your hands.

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Because as much as these guys probably like Trey Lance,
and I've heard only positive reporting, apparently this kid's great
around the building, he's absorbing the offense fast. But if
he doesn't have the goods right away and he can
be beat out by the old injury prone vet who's
coming off shoulders so shoulder surgery, well, guess what that's
what you need to do. And they may be handcuffed

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to that fact. So yeah, look again, I'm not necessarily
a betting man on these odds, but if if I
were to throw around a little money on something that
doesn't seem like a guarantee but seems like it still
makes sense, the under on that twenty one touchdowns for
Trey Lance feels like a good bette. So you're going
under on the twenty one and a half touchdown passes
for Tray Lance, Sam Donald, Is he gonna join Josh

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Rosen on the sidelines? Uh? From that quarterback class course,
Darna was at USC, Rosen was at u c l A.
Rosen's court never got started. But Sam Darnald if he
loses out to Baker Mayfield, which I guarantee he will
barring injury. Um, where does I mean? He'll be a backup?
That'll be it. That's the end of his last shot

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as being a starting quarter He's twenty four years old.
He started with a miserable organization with the Jets. He
goes to Carolina, which, by the way, that new ownership
is not exactly humming right now. Some of the decisions,
many excuses are you willing to make for Sam Donald
before we call what is? He may just be an
overdrafted backup in the NFL, And that's okay. You can

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make a great living and and that that's life in
the fast lane. Because there's a lot of talent in
the NFL. It's a super competitive spot to be in
at the starting quarterback job. And if you don't have
what it takes and you start fading, look second team. Now, okay,
it still hasn't really popped, still hasn't worked. Now, I'm

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not saying later in his career he can't have some
sort of you know, kinship with a team that the
offensive coordinator, and maybe it's due to circumstance that he
gets to start again. There's an injury in front of him,
and then all of a sudden, everybody view Sam Donald
as as something different because it just took him a
while to incubate incubate. So I'm not gonna say he's
gonna be a lifelong backup. But this happens often. We

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see it all the time. You start with one team,
it doesn't work out, You go to another team, you
start with that team, it doesn't work out. They make
a move at quarterback, and all of a sudden, you
sort of you live in that second tier or I
should say, backup quarterback world for the rest of your career.
And that very possibly could be the case for Sam Donald. Alright,
coming out on the other side, an update on Lamar

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Jackson and his agent, who by the way, has the
same name Amazing Lamar Jackson Uh represented by Lamar Jackson.
Lamar Jackson on what they are just as far as
their future of the Ravens. But first let's find out
what's trendy as we welcome back again a man who
is appearing on our show here on Sundays for the

(01:02:10):
final time as he moves on to new opportunities. The
one that will only Mr Ralph Irvan. Well, I know
that's because you won't invite me back. Ralph. You always
have an open invite. Ralf and I have had so
many we have cross paths. I mean, there was a
time when Ralph had moved to Florida. I never thought i'd,

(01:02:31):
you know, ever see the guy again. And then the
next thing I know, I'm doing a weekend here and
there's Ralph Irvan doing the updates. He's wore many hats
in this industry over that I have, Yes, you have.
Just by the way, you mentioned that Lamar Jackson's agent
he also played quarterback in Louisville. That's unbelievable, and I
understand I looked into this. Lamar Jackson's agent actually won

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a Heisman Trophy. This is insane and you might have
even the I'm starting to put some of these pieces
together and I'm thinking, I'm thinking we're talking about the
same guy. I think how many pieces are in that puzzle.
Lamar Jackson's age one might be Lamar Jackson, his name
is Lamar, but it can't be the same Lamarch get

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the I didn't think a player could be an agent,
but I'll look up at it. I'll find out more.
We will find out right now. Plenty of baseball going
on on this Sunday. The Atlanta Braves have just hit
the scoreboard Austin Riley and RBI single. They have a
one nothing leader for Washington that is now into the
third inning. Detroit gets a two run homer from Hobby Bayez.
They have a two nothing lead over the White Sox.

(01:03:39):
That's in the top of the second. Jonathan India to
run homer in Cincinnati, two nothing lead over the Raise
that's in the third inning. Still scoreless. Miami playing at
the New York Mets and Kansas City hosting the Cleveland
Guardians Pittsburgh. Milwaukee scoreless. In the second inning. Philadelphia gets
an RBI single from Nick Castianos. They have a one
nothing lead right now over the Phi Philadelphia is one

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nothing to lead over St. Louis and the Angels playing
at Baltimore. It's all Orioles three. They're in the top
of the eighth thinning. That Wimbledon. Novak Djokovic wins his
fourth straight Wimbledon Crown four set winner over Nick Kurios
Djokovic unbeaten on center court at Wimbledon since and at

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the Scottish Open on the PGA Tour. Xander Shoffley out
in front. He's at eight hunder park through sixteen holes,
two shots clear of Kirk Kiddy Yama, who is in
the clubhouse after a four hunder sixty six. You Young
Kim at five under, three shots back, also in the clubhouse.
Basically everybody who matters in the clubhouse. Xanders just walking
this one home. If he can, we'll find out, but

(01:04:47):
for now we sent it back at Steve Hartman. It's
Richard Hornberger. It's a Fox Sports. Thank you very much
for leo. Check in with you a little bit later on.
All right, let's talk about the By the way, I
have confirmed, I have com firm Lamar Jackson's agent is himself.
He is his own agent. All right, so let me
let's let's talk about this for a second here. Lamar

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Jackson has said, I guess he was at a golf
term recently that he has absolutely no plans on holding out,
like he's gonna be here for the start of the
two season. So Lamar Jackson was in the same draft
as Baker Mayfield and Sam Darnold, meaning he's in the
last year of his rookie deal and he's being paid
twenty three million dollars UH this year. That's based out

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the option you're of his rookie deal based Holler about
twenty three million. So if you're Lamar Jackson and you're
looking around as the agent representing yourself so he doesn't
have to divide up any money with an agent, and
you're sitting down with the Baltimore Ravens and a new deal,
here's where I start. If I'm the agent Lamar Jackson,

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Let's start with the deal that did Shaun Watson just
got from the Cleveland Browns forties six million per year
for five years. That's where we start the conversation of
a Lamar Jackson because if I'm Lamar Jackson and you
look at my resume as compared to Deshaun Watson's resume,
my resume is better because I've already been a league

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m v P. I've I've had more in my career
than DeShawn Watson has head. So let's just start right there.
We'll start forty six million per year on average five years.
Fully guaranteed. All right, So you're the Baltimore Ravens right now,
what is your response to that request? I would say, Hey,

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is there any way we could get that number down
a little bit? And you know, l J, we love you.
You know that this has been a fun run for us.
I'm sure for you as well. But hey, you know
you're coming off that injury season and uh and and look,
you know it's just you know how gas gas prices
are just super high right now and it's just for us.

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So could we maybe uh, like, well, how about this, Well,
let's knock that price down. We'll get you some free
chick Fili sandwiches, you know, maybe Burger King like, you know,
we'll do. We'll work out. We'll work out something, right,
we can do. Look, here's the deal. Yeah, by the way,
just uh in four years, Deshaun Watson's record as a

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starting quarterback is twenty eight and twenty five regular season
Lamar Jackson's record is thirty seven and twelve. Here's the deal.
Along with m VP and everything else comparison, Lamar Jackson
is truly one of the most dangerous players on the
football field. He is so versatile, he is so weaponized

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when he's on a football field. He's so fast, he's
so accurate with the football. Now he has limitations to
his game. I think he's improved on some of them.
I think his deep ball's coming along. It's not quite
the ascension we see with Josh Allen where all of
a sudden comes from Wyoming where he's I'm he did
not have a good passer writing on deep throws, and
he worked on, he worked on, he worked on it.

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Now he's one of the more devastating deep ball throwers
in the NFL. Lamar Jackson could be on a similar,
yet slower trajectory. Lamar Jackson's full potential has not yet
been tapped, in my opinion. Now, the injury stuff, Okay,
a guy like him, he there, that's gonna be a
question mark, so I get it. But if DeShawn Watson
can get that contract from the Cleveland Browns, there's no

(01:08:27):
reason why Lamar Jackson shouldn't be arguably the first fifty
million dollar quarterback in the NFL. Right I mean, like
he now you know why everybody in this league hates
the Cleveland brands right now? I mean the timing of
the Deshaun Watson contract could not have gone worse for
the Ravens because for the Cardinals. For them, you can

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substantiate the fact that Lamar Jackson, and by the way,
without him in the starting lineup last year, they were
one in four, so they lost four the five games
Lamar Jackson missed because of the injury eas So there's
no way you could sit across especially since Lamar is
representing himself. So you're literally sitting across the Lamar Jackson
and you can't say to his face that you deserve

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less than what Cleveland gave Deshaun Watson. When you're talking
about life changing amounts of money, franchise shifting amounts of money,
this is where that three percent that an agent is
owed can sometimes be the difference in these discussions because
having a professional barrier, having somebody who is able to

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say whatever they can, literally whatever they can to make
sure that you maximize your value while they're skimming some
of that value. No question, but to maximize your value
is important. I'm not against the idea of representing yourself.
Like if you're an older, aging veteran and you're kind
of tired of paying the three percent, and these contracts

(01:09:56):
are becoming more boiler plate. Outside of incentives, you're gonna
get paid where you're gonna get paid, and you're moving
on with your life. But when you're in your prime,
when you're signing that first essential contract, which depending on
his injury future, could be the only time he ever
gets broken off in this league because nothing is guaranteed
to you outside of the signing bonus you receive. And

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if he gets injured, horribly injured, which is a possibility
playing football, his career could be cut short. So this
is a really important negotiation that's happening, and I know
he's taking it seriously, but I can promise you that's
when an agent truly earns. A good agent truly earns
that three percent. Is when you have that professional barrier
where they can't come to you and appeal to your

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sense sensibilities and talk about the relationship and how good
things have been and don't make this weird. This is
a terrific working environment. Have the bad guy behind the
scenes doing that for you. This way, every all the
oceans and the seas are nice and smooth for you
and this franchise moving forward, all right, So there's another
option for the Ravens here, and that is the franchise

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tag in twenty three. So I just mentioned the fact
that the Deshaun Watson deal averages out about forty six
million year guarantee for five years. Well right now, where
the franchise tag would sit in three if you franchise
tag him is about forty five and a half million dollars.
So if you if you franchise tag Lamar Jackson in three,

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where that tag would sit right now, you would have
to pay him forty five point five million dollars in
twenty three. So if you're the Ravens, should you just
let this play out and say, well the heck with it. Well,
you'll still get the kind of money you're looking for,
but we're not on the for five years. Will franchise
tag and we'll pay you that forty five point five million.
We'll just take a step of the time because if

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the injuries are mounting, or if he regresses in terms
of passing the football, and then you say, okay, no
harm done, We'll give you the forty five and a
half million, but if you don't get better, then we're
off the hook. Gets an option to um. Look, and
again that's that's the part of these negotiations. But is
that the smart play if you're the Ravens as opposed

(01:12:07):
to giving him a fully guaranteed deal similar to Seawan
Watson town. Well, here, here's the other problem is if
you look at, for example, of Dak Prescott, who the
Dallas Cowboys dragged their feet on getting him signed. Do
you remember this when Jimmy Garoppolo signed his huge deal.
There was a point, actually, I think I was listening
to Willard and Bucky earlier on the station today when

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they were talking about this, there was a point where
Dak Prescott could have gotten a similar deal to Jimmy Garoppolo,
and you could have gotten him out a bargain per
the rate on quarterbacks because he wasn't quite top tier.
He was probably bottom of that top tier high second
tier quarterback. He can win you some football games on
his own merit. There's definite talent there. He's a huge leader,

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he's a great guy, blah blah blah, all the checks,
all the boxes. So sign him, then you save your
money self money in the future. What ended up happening
is they they waited, they dragged their feet, they waited,
they waited, they waited, and then all of a sudden
he was like, yeah, no, sorry, gang, we were talking
about this years ago, that this should happen sooner. Uh,
And I stabilized this franchise. In fact, you know, I

(01:13:11):
got us into a position where we went them. You're
gonna have to pay out your nose from my services
that I promise you whatever amount forty eight million annually,
million annually, fifty million dollars annually. It may sound like
a ridiculous amount of money right now for quarterbacks in
the NFL, But if Lamar Jackson in three years matches

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anything close to what his past three years have looked like,
his for four years in the NFL have looked like
on average, he is going to make that amount of
money look paltry in the sums of money that are
being paid to the next, you know, generation of quarterback
coming because all the payroll continues to do is rise.
These network contracts aren't going down. The NFL is making

(01:13:53):
money hand over fist, and you have to pay these
players at a higher rate. So I'm telling you don't
get lost in franchise. Tag him now and do that.
Pay this guy's money. It's gonna look like a bargain
in three years. All right. On the other side, the
latest on Deshaun Watson. What is going to be the
ruling and who ultimately will decide the fate of Deshaun

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Watson's future in the NFL. We'll tell you coming up next,
Steve Harvan, rich Arnburger Fox for its Sunday All right, Rich,
I want to read a headline to you when it
was announced that Suell Robinson, this former federal judge, would
overhear the sides on the Deshaun Watson situation the NFL

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of the players union. This is this was an erroneous
headline here it is. It says, who is sue L. Robinson,
former federal judge, set to determine Deshaun Watson's NFL fate? Well,
this is an erroneous headline. So Robinson, we'll have a
ruling on the Deshaun Watson case, but she will not

(01:15:04):
determine his fate in the NFL. That will be determined
by the Commissioner of the NFL, one Roger Goodell, because
the way the system is set up. However, she rules,
if she goes light, the NFL can appeal. If she
goes heavy, the players can appeal, but ultimately the decision
is going to be on the desk of Roger Goodell

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on exactly what is going to be the penalty for
Deshaun Watson. I've been saying this from the beginning, and
it feels like nobody is really particularly interested in listening
to this. Everybody was like the hearing and you know,
Judge Robinson hasn't made her determination yet, it doesn't matter,
it doesn't matter. And then there's these reports all, well, okay,

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but the evidence that she or her ruling will have
will wait. The will wait. The determination of the NFL,
says who says who? The NFL says. The only thing
it is it will be a matter of record whatever
she rules, but the appeal process still is in the hands.

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Look if all sides are thrilled with uh, Judge Robinson's
determination and and they can completely shift all of the
determining factors and all the decision making onto her, that
is the best case scenario because then the NFL can
wash their hands of any disciplinary whatever backlash and say,

(01:16:32):
look Judge Robinson, and then DeShawn Watson in his camp
can say the same thing. Look, Joe Robinson, I'm sure
down for a second, or because here's here's what okay,
So publicly the NFL said they were looking for an
indefinite suspension minimum of one year, and why wouldn't they
say that because let me, let me explain this, because
if you say that, we want to be heavy handed

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with our punishment of DeShawn Watson year suspension indefinite after
that will decide when he can come back. And then
Deshaun Camps goes Deshaun's not guilty of anything. This has
all been very unreasonable. Blah blah blah blah blah. You know,
obviously in defensive Deshaun Watson. And then and then Judge
Robinson comes out with something. Maybe it's ten games, maybe

(01:17:16):
it's eight, maybe it's twelve. I don't know. Well maybe
how about if there's no suspension or maybe she I
mean again, she had never tried anything related to the NFL.
On the union side, they were talking about the Bob
Craft situation. That was a massage situation that went a
little too far. There was video evidence, by the way,
on Bob Craft, and according to NFL by laws, the

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personal conduct policy for owners is supposed to be more
stringent than it is for the players, and yet they
had no penalty there. So let me ask you this
blah blah blah blah, But no, my point is you're
right with the blah blah blah. My point is this,
if she determines that it's a four game suspension or
even a two game suspension, where do you think ultimately

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Roger Goodell is gonna sit on this? What do you
think will be the ultimate desce? You can look like
by the league, he can look like a hero and
come in and say, Nope, the NFL is appealing. That
is not stringent enough. But we will take Judge Robinson,
you think it's gonna be eight games, and you think
if I gave you an over under of eight games
right now and ultimately what's going to be a side,

(01:18:24):
which way would you go? I would say a games
that you've nailed the number because I've been saying this
for a long time. Look at the schedule. Look at
the schedule. Look at the schedule. Look at the schedule.
The Cleveland Browns do not play a single primetime game
after weekend of the NFL season. The schedule makers knew.
The schedule makers is the NFL owners. By the way,

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they knew what was happening with DeShawn Watson. They knew
that a suspension was going to be levied, and even
at eight games, it would be unprecedentedly long for a
matter of this nature. They've never suspended a player that
long for uh uh, situation of this nature. So they
can still trumpet that. They can say this is unprecedentally long.

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Deshaun Watson's gonna miss almost half a season and guess
what then, on the other side of his suspension, he
doesn't play a standalone game unless the Cleveland Browns make
the playoffs. So a lot of image recovery can occur
in the second half of the season if he plays
outstanding football, because we know how that looks when a
player has greatness. On the other side of scandal, there's

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a lot of forgiveness given I'm telling you right now,
this is a possibility, a distinct possibility, that DeShawn Watson
plays this season. The NFL wants to look like they
want to be stricter on this on this side of
the hearing, and on the opposite side of the hearing,
they can do whatever they want because they make the decision.
I'll go even further he will play in two. He
is going to play in two. Where's Kevin Durant gonna

(01:19:52):
play next? We'll have an update coming up. I want
to remind everyone once again, as you're listening to us
here on Fox Sports Sunday, Hartman and Oremburger that we
are eight days away eight for the first NFL rookies
to show up at training camp. It will be going
on with the Buffalo Bills, it will be going on

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with the Las Vegas Raiders, and within a short amount
of time, Boom training Cancel be in full swing and
will be just weeks away, weeks away, a couple of
weeks from the first preseason game, the Hall of Fame games.
So we are getting ever so close to the football season,
which I think for the majority of you is a
good thing. Yeah, the dog daves this summer, right, It's

(01:20:36):
the time of the year, you know, Rich, where a
lot of guys doing what we do, uh do what
most people do during the summer. They take vacation time.
I'm not a big believer in vacation, as you know,
I'm not a big vacation guy. Well, your vacations are
work trips. So your perfect idea of going on vacation
would be stopping by the College Football Hall of Fame

(01:20:59):
or some university that has collected their own stats and
very festiviously like like like put them in order so
that you can go and draw up what happened in
that nineties championship. You remember the last I have not
been on an airplane since October of twenty nineteen, before

(01:21:21):
the pandemic hit. I have not stepped on an airplane
since that time. And you remember that trip because I
went to to uh Atlanta where the pro the College
Football Hall of Fame is and sat in their archives
for three straight days. It was like a dream lane.
I mean, it was like a dream lane. This is
what I do, folks. I know it's weird, but that's
how I all hang out. All right. So we have
a lot of NFL news. We got some college football

(01:21:42):
updates for you, but also the NBA. Now, this is
a story that is getting more interesting every day. So
we're hearing about Kyrie Irving and he's making it very
clear that he wants to be a Los Angeles Laker.
By the way, he showed up at a Sparks game
the other did. Yeah, so he's all ready to go.
But we were told the Brooklyn Nets are not going

(01:22:04):
to make a deal for Kyrie until they determined the
fate of Kevin Durant. So after this whole you know,
fiasco happened with Kyrie, you know, resigning or picking up
his own option on his deal with the Brooklyn Nets.
Immediately the reaction from Kevin Durant is I went out, okay, fine,
and the Nets said great, okay, even though you have

(01:22:26):
four years guaranteed about two million dollars sitting there, we
will make a trade. So why hasn't a trade been
made yet? All right? I want to start with one
of the two teams that Kevin Durant said he wanted
to play for, and that is the Phoenix Suns, who
this past year had the best record in the NBA.

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They were sixty four and eighteen. They came up short
in the postseason, but they were sixty four in eighteen.
So if you're the Brooklyn Nets and you're trying to
make a deal in which you get something of substance
us in return, it's pretty clear what they have to offer.
You have no interest in Chris Paul because he's thirty
seven years old, So you can keep Chris Paul in

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Phoenix and Devin Booker just got a maxed out deal
in Phoenix, so he's not going anywhere. So you're like, okay,
Kevin Durant will join those two guys. What do we
want to return? And you're the Brooklyn Nets. He said
everything else, So we want eighton. You gotta resign Eighten
the young center, we want him, we want Bridges, Uh,
we'll take him. We'll take Jake Crowder because he has

(01:23:28):
value off the bench. We want all your first round
picks for you know, the next the rest of the decade,
because we're giving you Kevin Durant, who, by the way,
we'll turn thirty four in September. All right, So you're
the Phoenix Suns, right, and you're weighing your options here
and you're like, all right, what are we doing here?
So we're gonna get Kevin Durant, who still has some
tread left on the tire. But remember this, in three

(01:23:51):
years in Brooklyn at a two possible games, he played
ninety and this year the Nets with Kevin and Durant
in the lineup got swept in the first round of
the playoffs. So if your Phoenix, are you really going
to give up Aden and Bridges and whoever else is
necessary to team up Kevin Durant, who turns thirty four,

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and by the way, you're on the hook for former
years on his contract, and Chris Paul and Devin Booker.
If you're the Phoenix Suns, does that trade really make sense?
In other words, do you feel like, Okay, we came close,
but if we give all that up, including our future
for Kevin Durant, we will be champions something the Phoenix

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Suns have never been. Is that a smart trade for
the Phoenix Suns? Let me jump in here. Whether it's
smarter or not, it may be the only way to
get Kevin Durant. Which let's be very honest with each other.
Kevin Durant, in his most recent stop with a team
with a good culture in place, was able to win
a championship. Now, if you're able to build around him,

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maybe there's a possibility there's enough tread on the tire,
even post injury and everything else we know about his history,
uh that that it can occur. Nothing is guaranteed either way, though,
I guess it is my point. So you build a
super team, trading away a lot of your future to
bring in Kevin Durant, and you go the way the
Lakers have because that's exactly what the Lakers did when

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they brought in Lebron James and they brought in a
D and guess what they won an NBA championship. I mean,
you can argue all you want about what it looks
like today and whether or not they're gonna be able
to do that again with Lebron's contract running out and
times of tick in here, but they want NBA championship

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and they sold off a lot of talent in order
to do that. They sold off Ingram and Ball, and
I mean they were talking about some of these players
who they they moved in order to get Lebron and
a D like they were going to be Hall of famers.
Their jerseys were going to hang in the rafters in
l A for a year. Is you know, for all
to remember when when the Lakers were so fortunate to

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draft Alonzo Ball, they it doesn't matter if you if
it nets you a championship, it doesn't matter the age.
I mean, Lebron James was no young man when the
Lakers traded for him, around the same age as Come Durant.
You make those decisions for them now, and I'm in
favor of those decisions, especially if you've tried and you failed.
They failed. They got to the championship game, but they

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didn't win it, and so you gotta come up with
a new formula. Maybe it is the youth movement. Maybe
you try to build through the draft and you try
to kind of sneak in the back door of the
side door, doing it that way on the cheap, and
then you secure all those players when their contracts come
up for extension talks, and maybe it works out, but
maybe it doesn't. And you're in that threshold right now
where either you gotta go all in one way or

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the other. So you ask if it's smart. The answer is,
it may be the smartest thing the organization has ever done,
getting Kevin Durant for all that trade value. We won't
know until three years from now, after building around a
player like Katie. Alright, So the report out of Phoenix
is simply this, they're not offering what Brooklyn is seeking.

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So in fact, what's injuring I mentioned about Eighten and
there's been this uh talk about you know, how much
money you don't want to give eighton in in a
new deal. Apparently Brooklyn is not even interested in eight
And by the way, who I'm not? And again, Eighten
is a special player. He's got gifts, He's one the
best at his position in the league. But it's a
position that is becoming more and more vestigious on the sport.

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You're talking about a center versus a guy like Kevin Durant,
who can ball handle, who can defend, who's over seven
feet tall, who's a team a team a team leader.
I mean, who has experienced at the championship level in
the finals. Again, I mean, if we're if we're talking
about the future of the franchise short term, long term,

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who could have a bigger impact today? The answer is
Kevin Durant, all right, But again, Phoenix is already it's
been out there one the nets one bridges fine, Cameron
Johnson's art. I mean a couple of players there, four
first round picks, three first round swaps. That's what they want.
And right now, the Suns are not offering that. They're

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not because they like, look, we already have a team
in place right now, they just won sixty four games,
and then why are we why are we cratering that? Okay,
the other side of it is you look at the
situation in Brooklyn. Look, there's a lot of emotions and
a lot of egos involved right now with what's happening
in Brooklyn. And the reason why I bring this up

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is because imagine if you're the Nets, you're the ownership,
you're the executives, you're the front office, and you just
signed Kevin Durant to this big extension and you moved
you you went out and got him and gave him
final you know, uh say, on this roster, and you've
worked with him and you trusted him, and all of

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a sudden request trade. Well, I think when you look
at this from an emotional standpoint, and I think that's
where we still are with these trade requests, you're not
gonna get anything done. Pragmatically, I think you could, and
it's going to take the Brooklyn Nets walking back this

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term sheet. Why why are they walking it back? Because
I don't because for if A, you can't just say
I don't think somebody else might offer a better package. Well,
the problem is Kevin Durant has to sign off on
that package because what happened. He doesn't have a no
trade clause in his right. But you know what, he
has the the ability if you trade him without his

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without his say so, like, okay, yeah, you could trade
me to to Toronto. You could trade me to wherever
I mean named team Portland. You could trade you trade
him to a team he doesn't want to play in. Right,
he holds out and then it's a mess. But so
then book gets made good with all the things that
they wanted, and then he holds out on the other side,
and what Toronto Raptors, they just just lose all the

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picks plus the season ahead. Because Kevin Durand's unhappy. To
be honest with you, I'm less concerned about what the
Nets get in return and why this is the right
move for the Phoenix Suns. All right. On the other side,
we get an update on the Kyrie situation to the Lakers,
and if anything, if the Phoenix Suns want to know
whether how they might be rolling the dice on a

(01:30:22):
guy like Kevin Durant. Look what's happened with Lebron James
and the Lakers. And by the way, now there's a
new ultimatum in terms of the Lakers acquiring Kyrie that
the Lakers have to react to. Talk about that coming
up next Steve Harman and Urich Arneberger here Fox Sports Sunday.

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in stores. All Right, So the Brooklyn Nets have two
things working right now. They're trying to get a deal
done for Kevin Durant and they're trying to get a
deal done with Kyrie Irving. So Kyrie Irving, by all accounts,

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it's going to be a Los Angeles laker. I mean, somehow,
some way that we're gonna work this all out. Genie Buss,
who I consider a friend and I've known Genie a
long long time and I love Gene. She's great. But
she put out a tweet the other day that I
just had to laugh at, and it was it was

(01:31:33):
a tweet about Kobe, but the way she wrote this,
I had to laugh on two ends. And I'll explain
this is what the tweet read. She goes, I miss KB.
He would understand and explain everything that I'm not allowed to. Honestly,
he was the greatest Laker ever. He understood team over self,

(01:31:53):
meaning your rewards would come if you valued team goals
over your own, then everything would fall into play. All
can reply, Okay, So I laughed at this on two counts.
One obviously it was sort of a indirect shot at
Lebron and clutched sports that they're about themselves over the team.

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But the idea that Kobe understood team overseelve. This is
the same Kobe Bryant who I had on my radio show,
and I knew Kobe very very well. We had a
lot of interaction back and forth over the years, and
he had signed this new twenty five million dollar year
deal at the time made him the highest paid player
in the league when the Lakers had just had back

(01:32:37):
to back losing seasons, and I asked him on my
radio show, I said, Kobe, would you ever take less
money to allow the team to have more flexibility to
bring other players in? And there was a response was,
without hesitation, it's not my problem, Kobe, and this is
not too in any way be Kobe who he was.

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Kobe was an individual in a team sport. Kobe was
always about Kobe and that's I'm not saying it's a
bad thing. Obviously it worked out great for the Lakers
because he was part of five championship teams. But he
used to talk about those championships in teams of in
terms of himself. I he would literally say I've won
five championships. I used to throw it back in his face.

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I'd say, Kobe, you were an m v P or this.
These are all individual honors, but you were part of
five teams. In fact, the night that they won that
fifth championship against the Celtics, I was on the floor
at Staples and he saw me standing there. He yells out,
what do you think now, Hartman? And I said, well,
I guess you and Derek fish Are now have the
same number of championship. Look. The funny thing about the

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bottom line, and this is if there's ever been a
player that actually has taken less in terms of allowing
teams to put pieces together, it's been Lebron. Lebron took
less money in Miami where he was willing to take
equal money with Chris Bosh in Miami, same thing he
did when he returned to Cleveland. At no point is

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even been the high player in the league. So it's
just interesting her perspective that while Kobe was a team guy,
and I'm like, no, no, no, Lebron has been more
of a team guy over the course of his career
than Kobe was. Two things are true about this one memory.
Um memories are interesting because, especially when we're talking about

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somebody who's passed and tragically at that with Kobe Bryant
uh leaving all of us the way he did with
his daughter and those other passengers on that helicopter. I
mean you you you really do attach yourself more to
the positives about an individual, and those memories they they

(01:34:50):
oftentimes can be corrupted a little bit. And you're right there. Look,
this guy drew hard lines all the time when it
came to contract talks or it came to how he
talked ab out his teammates, how we talked about himself
as an individual. But then you know, going back to
the tweet itself, well, yeah, that memory could have been
corrupted a little bit, or you know, maybe she was

(01:35:12):
using some language to sub tweet somebody else or a
different situation. I don't necessarily think it's aimed that Lebron.
I don't necessarily think he's the target of her ire,
and this could be more vague than just specifically talking
about the team. This could be This could be talking
about the league as it stands, or a conflict she's

(01:35:34):
having with other people in her own organization. If it
is that specific, it doesn't necessarily mean it's about Lebron.
As a matter of fact, it would be of an
immense detriment to Genie Buss to do something like this
and have it aimed that Lebron. I'd imagine after she
sent that tweet, as soon as reports came out suggesting
that it was about Lebron, she called him right away

(01:35:55):
and said it isn't whether that's true or not, I
guarantee it, because there's no way, shape or form that
the Los Angeles Lakers win their most recent title without him,
right There's just no way. But they're also sitting right
now with Lebron James having come off a season where
they were the eleventh Sea didn't even get to the
playing round. So I saw that Brian Winhorse over at

(01:36:16):
ESPN he had said this, I thought it was a
very interesting perspective on a deal potentially to get Kyrie
to the Lakers. He goes I can articulate how little
Lebron cares about the Lakers first round pick. He could
not care less about it. He wants to win tonight
and Kyrie Irvin gives him a chance to win tonight.

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We are in a moment right now where teams are
pushing back against player empowerment. Now the Lakers are staring
at this. Are they honestly gonna push back on Lebron
James if he's sitting there with a pen ready to
sign an extension making sure the Lakers are main highly
relevant and a championship contender for the next two years.
So remember his contract ends at the end of this

(01:36:58):
upcoming season. If he intend us to play at a
high level, which he still is and continues to want
to play, he wants to stay in the Laker uniform.
Are you gonna push backs? Are you going to continue
already gutted most of your draft picks to get Anthony Davis,
who still is looming as the biggest story moving forward
for Lakers. Can he stay on the court? But if
if if push comes to shove, we clutch sports and

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Lebron you will get Kyrie no matter what it cost us.
Because I believe Kyrie can help us win a championship.
Are you gonna do any pushback in for the Lakers?
And frankly, he's right, the answer would be no. What's
so bizarre. Sometimes it doesn't happen all the times, but
sometimes at the height of its power, a team could

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completely I'm talking about its ownership obviously, can completely lose
sight of what's important to their fans. Nobody is showing
up to the arena because you have the smartest general manager,
the best ownership group. Nobody's showing up because you are
clever on Twitter. They're showing up for Lebron. James and
the Lakers have been built from day one. You go

(01:38:05):
back to George Mike and it's always been about stars
of the Lakers. If you don't have a star on
the Lakers, they're just not gonna care. The have to
keep Lebron, just like they did with Kobe at the end,
even when they were losing, they signed it. In fact,
they got a new TV deal at the time and
they insisted, you need to sign we gotta have Kobe.

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No matter how bad this team is. As long as
Kobe Bryant is in the jersey, people will watch and
that's the thing that you you can forget if you
have too much ego in this seat, right, you know,
and I'm not saying that about Genie Buss. I don't
know her personally. I don't know who's certainly as well
as you do. She understands business. But but that's the fact,
that's the fact. Your product is Lebron, your product is Kobe.

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Your product is stars. Your product is championships. You don't
win them because you show up in a in a
snazzy business suit. You win them because you have star
players who are willing to go out there play night
and night out exceptional basketball. And by the way, if
they can be stars, not just great, but stars, people
who are great in front of the microphone as there

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are on the court, well then it's even an added ben.
But here's the thing. So at the end of Kobe's run,
people forget Kobe's last year. Remember that last night he
scored sixty points. The record that year was seventeen and six.
They were the worst team in the legal three years
were miserable, miserable years. And here's and look at she
was very outspoken after this season. Unacceptable, the amount of

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money we spent and the fact that we didn't even
make the play around. She said on record, this is unacceptable.
So if you're sitting there and your Genie Buss and
you're like, Okay, we're gonna invest all this money. But
as much as she wants to be relevant, she also
wants to win because that was what her father was.

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He was a winner. The money he invested in the
Lakers translated into championships. Well, she got one. Unfortunately, she
wasn't able to reap the financial benefits of it because
it was in a bubble. There wasn't anybody showing up
at Staple Center pat crowds during the playoffs that year.
They got nothing out of that financially. So that's her
question moving forward, is all right, so we're gonna get

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the future to play for the now, to keep Lebron healthy,
are happy as long as we possibly can, But are
we actually gonna win a championship? Because that's what I want.
I want to win championships like my father did. That's
what I'm playing for well, and the only way you
do that is if you can, as an owner swallow
the pride and let the process take over. And the

(01:40:35):
process right now, whether you like it or not is
in the hands of Lebron James. The same way was
when you had Phil Jackson and Kobe is the way
it is right now. It's less about the coaching tandem
and it's more about the player and the agency who
he has ties with, Clutch Sports and and all of it.
Like and I understand it's probably to a certain extent,

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especially when you're in this in the in the seat
Genie buss sits in humiliating and humbling at times to
deal in those terms, because it's like, look, the Laker
brand was strong before you were here. We perceive it
will be strong after you leave here. How dare you? Well?
How dare he? He's first of all, Lebron James a
visionary off the court. He's branded himself fabulously. He's been

(01:41:21):
able to avoid all scandal. He's a billionaire in his
own right, and on top of it, he's arguably the
greatest players ever played the game. You know, his name
spoken with one other, if not two other players to
contend for the greatest player who's ever actually played this sport.
So whatever it is that you have to do if
you're in the seats that are going to be there,

(01:41:43):
after Lebron finishes his tenure as a Laker, whether it's
Genie Buss or it's some executive that she trusts or whatever,
you gotta eat that humble pie. You gotta weather this storm.
You gotta try to bite your tongue as best he can,
let the process take over and try to win some
championships before this guy runs out of gas, because he
will eventually run out of gas. He's not a robot.

(01:42:06):
Lebron James is eventually going to retire. And then maybe
she'll start sending out tweets reminiscing on Lebron's time with
the Laker like she did, like she did with Kobe,
you know, remembering all the good times in all the
positive moments as opposed to all the tough times when
there was a lot of losing going on, because Kobe
suffered those seasons as well. Alright, on the other side,

(01:42:29):
money is such a big story in sports. We got
we got some new numbers that's throw at you. They're
just gonna absolutely blow your mind. But first let's find
out what is trending. As Yes, indeed, we welcome back
a man that grace the most legendary courses the world
has ever known on the street? Did that? Ralph Irvin Ralphie? Alright?

(01:42:53):
So on your bucket list of courses to play um
anywhere in the world, now that you checked off several
and the recent trip, what's what's remaining where where? I
mean places it you feel like I can I can
get in and play these courses? What's left on your
fucking list? I mean that I actually could get on.

(01:43:13):
But I'm not talking well, I don't know if you've
got connections at Augusta Nationals, so I don't know. I mean,
I do know people, you do know, I know you
know a lot of people. Maybe you could get to Gustination.
One place that I actually was thinking about was Pebble
Pebble because quite honestly, I paid that much, uh in Scotland.
How much is it to play around? Now? First of all,

(01:43:34):
I know there was a waiting, but I mean, if
you were to what is it to play around at
Pebble now? Probably about five five hundred bucks. That's not
bad a little walk around. But here's the funny part.
The old course. Yeah, one thirty five he played standing
St Andrew's the old course or a hundred new course,

(01:43:55):
which was built in the eighteen nineties. Yes, what was
sixty on a Saturday. Yeah, that's the new course was built. Yeah,
the the old course down when they determine it goes
back to the fifteenth century. Where do they say that, Yeah,
I mean there's not a it's as opposed to muscle
Borough Links, which which hosted the Open for a number
of years, which is the exact same configuration for three

(01:44:20):
fifty years. Yeah, so it calls itself the oldest course
in the world St Andrews. They've been playing golf there
since the fifteen hundreds, but not in the same course
in configuration. That's that's that's what we called that. That's
why it's called the old course. Yes, that's that's an
old course. Yeah, that is. You could argue, well, they
were the one in muscle Boroughs also called the old course.

(01:44:40):
The gophers walk with canes out there, as opposed to
the one of the retirement community. That's the old person's course.
By the way, the the caddy that worked with Ralph
there had been there since the fifteen He knew, he
knew all all the cran we got. Don't we get

(01:45:01):
a paint. Here's my question to use Steve as a
Laker as a Lakers homer, Yes, Would you rather be
the Lakers during the end of the Kobe era into
the into the you know, the Lebron missing the playoffs? Yeah,
or the Eddie Jones Nick Van Excel era where there
were not stars, but they at least were no I mean,
in fact, the year before they made the Del Harris

(01:45:24):
was the NBA's coach of the year. There was no Shock,
that was no Kobe worthy it retired. Uh, and they
had a bunch of no names. They made some Vagon Excel,
you know, Vlade, Eddie Jones, and they were a good
basketball team. Look my attitude as a fan and this.
They did say that Derek Fisher was going to bring
championships and they weren't wrong. Yeah, but my is I don't.

(01:45:47):
I don't. I'm not into style points. I'm not into
anything other than winning. If it's my team, I don't
care how you get there. If you're winning, that's good
enough for me. Well there you go. And uh, that's
what Washington has right now. Lane Thomas a three run homer.
They take a three two lead over the Braves. That's
in the bottom of the sixth inning. The met's in
Miami still scoreless there. In the bottom of the seventh inning,

(01:46:09):
Cincinnati had a seven run third, a three run fourth
at ten, three lead now over Tampa Bay. That's in
the fifth inning. Detroit still leads the White Sox to nothing.
In the fifth, Milwaukee has come back R B I
from Mike Brasso and Louis Areas. It's to all tied
with the Pirates. In the fourth inning, Philadelphia has taken
it too, one advantage over St. Louis in the fourth,

(01:46:31):
and Texas gets a three run double from Josh Smith.
They tied up with Minnesota locked to three in the third.
You mentioned Gulf Xander Shoffley takes the Scottish Open at
the Renaissance Club, finishing one shot ahead of Kirk Kitty Yama.
The Open Championship is next weekend. Novak Djokovic has won
twenty one Grand Slam titles after he wins his fourth
straight Wimbledon in four sets over Nick Kurios. We're not

(01:46:55):
any more curious than any other time, though, as we
sent it back to Steve Hartman and rich Ward Bert,
all right, thank you very much. Ralph. Check in with
you a little bit later on Alright, money, money, money,
is such a big deal in sports, but this one
sort of baffled me because of the timing. So, the
Portland Trailblazers this past year had a record of twenty

(01:47:17):
seven and fifty five. They were an also ran thirteen
in the Western Conference, and their star player, Damian Lillard,
played just twenty nine games due to injuries. He's come
on off a season in which he shot a career
low for from the field, a career low thirty two
from the three point line, and his lowest scoring average

(01:47:39):
since his third season back in He had two years
remaining on his contract, plus a player option for the
year after that. So what do the Portland Trailblazers do.
They extended his deal. He will now make in the
twenty six season fifty nine million, and the next year

(01:48:04):
he will be the first, at least as of now,
NBA player to crack the sixty million mark sixty three
million dollars. By the way, the time that happens, he
will be thirty seven years old. If you're the Portland's
Trailblazers and again, you're you've hit rock bottom as a team.

(01:48:27):
You're you're not going anywhere, even with Damian Lillard He's
coming off an injured year in which his numbers were
the lowest they have been in years. He still had
two years left on his contract plus a player option.
Why exactly would you throw out another hundred and twenty
two million guarantee to get it? But but here's what

(01:48:49):
they also get. Look, I mean, if you're Portland's what
juice do you have other than Damian Lillard? Like, what
chance do you have of cobbling together a chance upon chip?
Like you said, you're in. You're in for wins. That's
all you're interested in. Well, in my opinion, so is
Portland's with this deal. This says, hey, look, we're committed

(01:49:09):
to building the best possible basketball team we can build,
and it has to start with Damian Lillard. Because if
you ship him off, if you don't appease him with
a max contract, then what happens next? Portland's relevance completely dissipates.
There is nothing going on in Portland. You at least
have a chance to entice another start to complain in

(01:49:30):
Portland if you have Damian Lillard, Without him, you have
no chance. Think about Janice in Milwaukee, what chance do
the Bucks have other than paying your Honice to keep
him satisfying and keep him playing in Milwaukee. If you don't,
and you start from scratch, you're just gonna go searching
for your next Janice. In this case, you're gonna be
going searching for your next dollar Dame. If you don't

(01:49:52):
sign these guys, you have zero chance. So you had
him on our contract. First of all, you don't even
know this was the first time. Even seriously, keep your
stars happy. But he was over making years. But if
you keep if he can't play, if this injury that
he suffered this year that limited to twenty nine games

(01:50:14):
suddenly becomes the norm for this guy that he's been
This is the same thing with Kevin Well. Go over
these list of guys. When you start suffering injuries as
an athlete, the chance of you, in your mid thirties
suddenly have a revival of your career. It's not impossible,
but it's rare. Look what happened to Kobe Bryant. He

(01:50:35):
had that. I mean, he was obviously never the same
play I will see this though. And an abdominal tear
even if you have surgery to repair it. Look here,
here's here's my deal. This is the again and This
goes back to what we were talking about with Kobe
and the Lakers, Lebron and the Lakers. Look, if you
build it, they will come. You know what I mean.

(01:50:57):
That is in the old adage that held up in
the cornfields of Iowa, holds up today in the n
b A. If you don't have anything, if you don't
have anything for another star to grab a hold of
and to buoy the chances of your of your franchise landing,
whether it be in trade or free agency, another star
to come up to Portland and play well, then what

(01:51:18):
are your chances of winning or having any relevance or
filling up your arena. Damian Lillard is beloved by the
people in Portland. He is the only reason why people
are showing up to arena. He's the only reason why
I have any relevancy in the first place. That's it,
That's all you got going for you. It's the same
reason why the Lakers held on to Kobe for three
years of bad team basketball, because it was it was,

(01:51:41):
it was, it was Kobe Bryant steam for a couple
of years. They went through a complete a trough for
years after he finished his his career with the Lakers
until Lebron came to town. So that's what they're dealing with.
You have to have a Yannice to get people to
come to Milwaukee. You how have to have a dame
or someone like him to get people to come to

(01:52:03):
get stars to come to Portland. By the way, going
back to Kobe, So Kobe had the amazing finished with
that last game, the sixty point game, and he's mentioned
in the Lakers. People don't really know this. The Lakers
wanted to continue to extend his deal. I mean, he
had already played twenty years. He was on fumes. The

(01:52:23):
last three years. The numbers were not pretty either from
a team standpoint or even an individual standpoint, and yet
Genie was still the mindset we need you. Yeah. I mean,
if anything, it really was Kobe that finally pulled the
plug and said, I've got other interests, I other things.
I've already sort of planned for my life after basketball,

(01:52:45):
which of course immediately he set out. But believe me,
so this is this is where the NBA is right now,
there's there, Like you said, Lillard was just named to
the anniversary team. Is an all time great, um, but
you are beholden to these guys right now, the same
thing is gonna happen with Lebron and the Lakers. How
many years is he gonna play? As long as he

(01:53:06):
wants to. That's the point. And I'm not saying I'm
not saying why would you even say goodbye? Right, I'm
not saying it's a good thing for the league or
for viewers. I'm not saying it's the best practice in
order to encourage growth in this league. I think the
competitive advantage that the NFL has is is the is
the the power that the owners have in football. I'm

(01:53:31):
a player advocate. I hope that all players get paid
what they're owed, and in my opinion, players in the
NFL are owed a lot more than they're being paid.
But as a fan of the league, I also understand
that the fact is with more power going to the owners,
concentrating on the product first, which is having all these
teams to be competitive, have these games be urgent. That works.

(01:53:55):
That works because the players don't have as much control.
What's happened in the n b A is with with
too much power going to one side or the other,
whether it be you know, the owners or the players.
In this case, the players. It really does crumble fan
interest because you can't go and buy Kevin Durant jersey.
You can't do it because you don't know if he's
gonna play for the team that you're purchasing in a

(01:54:17):
jersey for. You can't trust that Lebron is gonna be
a Laker until he retires. He can't because he could
change his mind. I don't think he will, but he could,
you know. So that's not good for the sport either.
But from the standpoint of where you're at in this
league and and in terms of the way business is
done in the NBA, you have no choice. The Portland

(01:54:38):
Trailblazers need to keep Damian Lillard happy as long as
he wants to be a Portland Trailblazer because that is
your only chance of being relevant or successful here in
the near future. I love lillards com and he goes, yeah,
title wouldn't be as fulfilling elsewhere some right when you're
making sixty. You're right, it wouldn't be as fulfilling for

(01:54:59):
your good book elsewhere? Is really what he meant to say.
All right, we're gonna sneak in a little update again
on the other side of what's happening on the college
football scene. What is the endgame right now for the
Big Ten and the SEC. We'll try to figure it out.
Coming up next Steve Harman and Red Hornburger Fox Sports Sunday.

(01:55:23):
John paulm Arossi is gonna be joining us in the
next hour, getting into baseball talk as we near the
All Star break. All star starters were named and reserves
will be announced as well. Get to that. Right now,
we're enjoying a little food. It's been another one of
those days here at our Fox Sports Radio studios. We're

(01:55:43):
doing a lot of work at the building, and so
much as the last time we were in this situation.
Our reward is a little extra food, a couple of
chicken wings, some donuts, little soft drinks, some candy. Is delicious.
I'm particking in everything. Yeah you have. That's okay? Um?
All right? So obviously a big story you've been covering

(01:56:04):
for several weeks and it's been ongoing is the reconfiguration
of college football, uh, namely the FPS as it's been known,
although that's gonna go by the wayside Division one. So
what's the future right now? And a week ago talking
to Jeff Schwartz, of course, went to the University of
Oregon after USC and U c l A got their

(01:56:25):
tickets punched to go to the Big Ten. He was
absolutely convinced that his Oregon Ducks were on the shortlist
to be the next to be drawn in based on
the success they've had in football, the Nike backing, and
everything else. A week later, he completely changed his tune
because he not now talks all these people and he
realizes the Big Ten has no interest in Oregon. In fact,

(01:56:48):
I'm looking at the Big Ten right now with the
current fourteen schools they have, and this is the way
I would configure if I'm Fox and I'm paying out
this billion dollar deal for the Big Ten. Here's what
would like to see. I want to I want to
go after Notre Dame. Kay, that's that's the one school
that if we can land Notre Dame, that's it. And

(01:57:09):
he said, well, wait, that would be an odd number
fifty and I'm like, that doesn't even matter anymore. Now.
Remember this offseason, the a c C decided no longer
we're gonna have divisions. We're gonna have like this three
five five format where you're gonna three teams that each
school have sort of a year in every single year
nucleus as far as opponents, right, and then you will

(01:57:30):
alternate the other schools. I could see the Big Ten
doing the exact same thing, so always Michigan play Ohio State,
or Michigan play Michigan State, stuff like that. Let's make
it very clear. Basically, what we're gonna see in the
very near future in all of college sports is whatever
makes the most sense to get key matchups on television
as often as humanly possible, that's what they're going to do.

(01:57:54):
And that includes championship games. That includes the playoff. Whether
there's expansion of playoffs, that remains to be determined. I
would assume. So, especially with the reorganization of things, whether
it means certain conferences are just going to fracture off
and govern themselves away from the n T Double A,
it doesn't matter. What matters is these television contracts. What

(01:58:14):
matters is how much money is that Fox and and
ESPN and anybody who wants to getting involved, Amazon, whoever
ends up next in the fray are willing to pay
these conferences or really these schools to provide this product.
And so that's what we're gonna see. We're gonna see
whatever makes the most sense for the viewership product happen

(01:58:36):
in real time, and the divisions don't make sense because
in the end, if I'm Fox, I want that Big
Ten championship game between the two best teams, and the
Big Ten is that Ohio State, Michigan is at Ohio State,
USC is at Ohio State, Notre Dame. That's what I
want for the I don't want Wisconsin or you know,
sorry about this stam Iowa being in a championship game

(01:58:58):
where it's obvious and the other vision the second best
team is indeed the second best team in the Big Ten.
So but I I really believe as far as the
end game is concerned, the Big Ten's endgame is Notre Dame.
That's it. You get Notre Dame. Case closed. All right,
Coming up, We've got much more coming up, including some
baseball talk with John Paul Morosi coming up next. Flying

(01:59:20):
along here on this big Sunday here in the sports world,
this is Fox Sports Sunday. Steve Harpan Rich Ornberger from
the Fox Sports Radio studios, sitting side by side. A
reminder again about our TikTok. I'm really into this TikTok.
I have no idea how to put TikTok videos together.
Fortunately Rich does, as as our San Diego producer Ben Fletcher.

(01:59:43):
By the way, you guys getting a lot of praise
with all the the technical work and all the you know,
it's one thing to put stuff out there, but you
know the aesthetics to make it doll it up a
little bit. You guys do a great How did you
learn all that as you could? I don't, I mean
you just you just do it. Yeah, I here's here's
my been my philosophy in my whole life. And uh,

(02:00:04):
I don't know if it served me well always, but
I do things far earlier than I'm qualified to do,
things like I have no problem. Like when somebody goes,
is there a doctor in the house, I'll be like, yeah,
I'll give it a swing, you know, and then you know,
you go out there and maybe you lose the patient
or two, but after a while you get your sea legs.

(02:00:25):
I remember when you first did this with with your
cooking situation, like you would have the aerial view, remember
and the pandemic. I did the quarantine cookbook. Yeah, yeah,
that was fun because I was cooking a lot more
at home obviously, you know, especially in California we're shut
down for like time lapse photography. Dude, Yeah, I got

(02:00:46):
into it. And you know, I've always enjoyed cooking. I
enjoy the process of making things. I think is the
best way to describe it. So if you're interested in
seeing what we've put together, Harmon Ritchel on Twitter, on Instagram,
him you can found me at rich Ormburger on on TikTok,
on on Instagram. I said, Harmon and Richel on Twitter,

(02:01:06):
Instagram and TikTok where you can find us. But yeah, yeah,
we put a lot of content out. Also this week,
we're gonna venture out and play some golf, something that
I finally figured out. The last time I actually swung
a golf club was actually more than seven years ago. Now,
I used to play on a weekly basis. Way back
in the day, I played quite a bit of golf.
Would you always go to a courser driving range? Both? Okay, yeah,

(02:01:28):
Well I tell you what. There was a time, and
this is going way back where I used to go
to the driving range all the time. Now, I was
in an altered state of mind usually when I was
doing that, you know, he just you know, how did
he go out there? Your buddies and you are completely obliterated,
and he just swinging as hard as you can, try
to hit the ball as far as you can, and

(02:01:51):
you just go to the driving range. Blast. Are you
like certain things? Like all right, certain sports are better
if you had a drink, And golf is one of
those sports to me. And I'm a novice. I I
don't have a game, but I can put together swing
every once in a while. I can put together a
whole if I'm playing eighteen every once in a while.
And it's a lot of fun. It's accentuated when you

(02:02:13):
have a cold one or whatever. You alter your state
of mind, however you like to do it. Yeah, like that,
Like pick up basketball, it's a no go for me.
Like it's not like you could have like a forty
and then go hit the courts and play King of
the Court and enjoy yourself. You'll be yakking in the corner.
But golf bowling another one of my favorite sports. Have
a ice cooled Bud Wasser. I was at the Padres

(02:02:35):
game Friday night, and unbeknownst to me, a friend of
mine from back in the day, I mean, one of
my friends from the eighties was not only at the
game with a couple of his kids, he was in
the same section. So we ended up sitting next to
each other and we went down memory lane. Now, he
has a very young son who's a big baseball kid,

(02:02:57):
Like this kid is. He's one of those fifteen year
of fourteen year olds that is just all baseball. My
son is against any sport without cheerleaders. I mean seven
years old that he just opposes. He hates baseball, loves basketball,
loves halftime. But my buddy and I were reminiscing the
back back when we were in our you know, mid
to late twenties, and so maybe some of the unnecessary

(02:03:21):
risk we we we did with our health playing sports
because we played a lot of basketball, Like we played
a lot of basketball, golf and everything else. But you
talk about basketball running up and down the court when
you're on stimulants and you're still doing that, I mean
in retrospect, like what were we thinking? But we weren't
thinking that was the whole point. It just felt good.
So we're like, will say this. There are stories unfound

(02:03:45):
throughout the annals of sports, and I mean some of
these are more known, some are lesser known, of athletes
um going into the clubhouse during baseball games and pouring
themselves a cup of coffee that's been filled with stim
How do you do that? There have been stories of
in football locker rooms a Gatorade cup full of cocaine

(02:04:07):
being passed around from player to Lockeroo the fin fin
Oh dude, yeah, I'm just as in that Romanowski that
was doing the fan fan stuff that he was like
the ultimate stimulant. There was that. There was the other
one that was a stimulant. I'm blank on the name.
It was like an it's your heart can explode, dude.
It's it's edge you can get before rules are made

(02:04:30):
and guard rails are fast. Can you run your engine
well as fast as you can? Is the answer? So,
you know, I mean like it's like, for example, I mean,
what's the revel level on some of these drinking Everybody
has that point where they go, oh boy, one more
and I'm over the top. There by that time, it's
too late. When you talk to some of these old

(02:04:50):
prosy they knew when they had done it perfectly and
they were right in that slot. Man. They just they
knew they could see the baseball better where they could
tackle harder, and they knew when they overdid it too,
and then that's when you had those mysterious you know
he was, he was doing a start today, and oddly enough,
he didn't make it to. One of my favorite photos

(02:05:12):
of all time, Super Bowl One, which was not actually
known as the Super Bowl, is the a f L
NFL World Championship games Packers Jee's Packers out at the
Los Angeles Coliseum and it was a big event, and
so they had these phote dogs that were allowed into
the Chiefs locker room at halftime, and it was still
a game at halftime. By the way, the Packers were

(02:05:33):
winning fourteen ten. They won thirty five to ten, but
it was still a game at halftime. And there's this
classic photo of Len Dawson, the Hall of Fame quarterback
from the and he is sitting there at halftime. He's
got his helmet up and he's in full jersey and
he has taken the longest drag from a cigarette. Meanwhile,
but below him is a bottle of Fresco, which, by

(02:05:55):
the way, was a brand new product, Frescan tab where
these two new remember I'm old enough to remember this
sort of an alternative, you know, for the coach. And
this tab was going out of style in the eighties
when I was born, right because I remember it being
available at parties when I was growing up. So tab
which was sort of like a diet coke type thing,
but fresca. So there, he's got the fresca that he's

(02:06:17):
drinking and he's taking this long dread on a cigarette.
I have this picture ingrained in my brain. His cheeks
are turning inside out. He's sucking I mean cigarettes so hard. Well,
I mean, look back then, it was very very normal
for football players. There it is right there. I look

(02:06:37):
at that picture. Baseball players to smoke during games on
the sideline and the dugout. Oh yeah, See the Fresco
bottle of a heat It is the Fresco bottle below him.
That is the pi he has taken the long This
is halftime of the super That's a picture of mail
if athleticism right there. I mean, what are you doing
to get yourself going for the second half? That's what

(02:06:59):
he did. And And here's the thing, like, outside of
the long term issues that tobacco or or whatever whatever
is inside of cigarettes, does your lungs and your long
term health there. I mean it's you want to talk
about a stimulant. I mean, nicotine by itself is a
new tropic drug similar to the psychoactive properties of caffeine.

(02:07:21):
It is a stimulant. Like so you know, you puff
on a newport and you head back out to the field,
you might just be a little bit more locked in
and engaged, especially if you're addicted to cigarettes. Now, that
Fresco bottle I recognized when I was a kid, because
that's I remember when they first came. I remember my
mom was into Fresca. I got a glass bottles that
they didn't have cans back in those days, and the

(02:07:43):
glass bottle and a lot of sugar in that. Believe me,
that's that's not a diet drink breakfast. The champions just
just puffing on a Winson and sucking out of Fresca.
I'll get you going for the second. Look at the cheeks.
They are completely sec about, like like some things have changed,
some things happening, Like you're not always like one prepared

(02:08:07):
to go on the field. I remember one time there
was an injury that forced me into a game where
the only thing that I drank halftime or a pregame
before going and taking the field was was a it
was a cold game, it was a playoff game, and
I was drinking chicken stock. It was like, oh, this
is really nice. They did a good job, Like it's

(02:08:27):
the perfect level of chicken bullyon in this. And so
I'm sitting there, literally on the sideline when the injury occurred.
I was sipping on a Gatorade cup full of chicken stock,
and somebody goes, yeah, you gotta go in there. Like
I was like, what's that? What's that? Now? Yeah, I
gotta do what now? You should have you should have
seen back in the eighties pregame meals for Raiders players.
We had one guy, Henry Lawrence. He played over a

(02:08:49):
dozen years offensive tackle, played on all three others. A
plate of French fries. I mean, I'm talking a mountain
of just French fries, nothing else, just a mountain tries
the whole thing and that's it. Chodosinko. I remember when
he was playing with the Patriots and he had done

(02:09:09):
this for years. Like one of the things he loved
more than anything. I think it was McDonald's, but he
would go to a fast food joint and he would
eat a couple of burgers before you come into the
game day locker room holding a bag of McDonald exactly.
That's breakfast the champions, and that picture is so iconic.
I can't get enough. Dawson second Tom of the Super Bowl,

(02:09:31):
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(02:09:53):
in with the MLB networks on our Fox Sports Radio
MLB insider John Paul Morossi coming up net Steve Harvin
and Rich Armburger Fox Sports Sunday. So next week we
literally will be sitting here talking about the opening of

(02:10:13):
training camp. They were going to be players reporting medical
physicals taking place. There's gonna be real football players in
in real NFL facilities getting ready for the season, and
then it's gonna be very quick. I mean a couple
of weeks, gonna have the Hall of Fame game, and
then next thing, you know, remember there's only three preseason games,

(02:10:37):
not four anymore, so they cut the preseason down. I
just go back to that season when we had the
pandemic and there was no off season, no preseason, and
we just got to week one and let it rip.
And to be honest with you, it looked pretty good
to me, So I didn't I didn't see any real
major drop off. All right, we're getting ready for the

(02:10:59):
big mid summer classic in baseball, the All Star Game
right around the corner. Join us right now. Of course,
he is, I mean, he is synonymous with the game.
Let's face it. He is our Fox Sports Radio MLB insider.
He is from the MLB network. More important than any
of that, we call him our friend, John Paul MOROSSI, JP,

(02:11:19):
how are you today? I am outstanding. My friends, Happy Sunday,
Happy All Star game coming up about a week from now.
I cannot wait. Of course, the full roster, the hell
coming up this evening should be a lot of fun. Now.
We talked about this last week. Apparently the commissioners listening
to this segment. We talked specifically, and I brought this

(02:11:39):
up about a guy like Albert Pooholts should be in
the All Star Game. I know he's not an All Star,
he's hitting two this year, whatever, But i've i've i've
I've long champion the idea, and this was something that
was commonplace back in the day, whether it was stam
Usy or Ted Williams or Willie Mays or Hank Aaron
Mickey Mannow even if they weren't really All Star caliber players,

(02:12:02):
you still put him in the game. So I am
applauding the decision. I have both Albert pool Hols and
Miguel Cabrera in the All Star Game, but are you
of the same mindset. Look, it's a meaningless exhibition game,
and just because you've had a hot couple of months,
in my opinion, doesn't actually classify you as an All Star.

(02:12:24):
Too many times I'm looking at these guys saying, who
the hell is this? This guy's an All Star. Pool
Holts and Cabrera are all time grades. I like these
this decisions. What was your thoughts? Yeah, I agree a
couple of things. That Number One, we do have to
remember who this is for, and this is for the
fans and it's for the moments that we create when

(02:12:46):
the game's greatest players are on the field. And I'll
use a couple of examples. I go back to Derrek
Jeter's final All Star Game, and I don't remember what
he was batting that year. I don't really care. I
wanted to see him in the game. Uh the year
when Mariano Rivera was pitching at City Field. If you
remember that game, it was the previous year at the end,

(02:13:12):
and what they were batting that year is in material.
We wanted to see them there and and I really
believe that when this All All Star Game has done
that night, or the next day, or even a week later.
Let's say you're gonna ask a fan and say, what
did you remember most about this year's All Star Game?
And the answer was going to be they remember that

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Pools was there and Cabrera was there, and that's gonna
be special. Of course, Miguel got three thousand hits this year.
That's an important contribution in the history of baseball, and
everything that Albert has done over the last two decades
needs to be recognized now. At the same token, when
when the game doesn't count anymore for home too, advantage.

(02:13:54):
It gives you the latitude to to do this, first
of all, but also for a player like Julio Rodriguez
of the Mariners, who I think is one of the
more dynamic young talents of the game, he got off
to a bit of a slow start. He didn't really
fully allow a ride with his numbers until the beginning
of May, let's say, But he belongs to this game too.

(02:14:15):
I want to see him as one of the bright
young lights of the sport. And I realized it's hard
to make the All Star Game everything to all people
because you want to represent the breakout stars like Julio Rodriguez.
You want to recognize the consistent players who as there
every year and great every year, maybe even those who

(02:14:37):
have had some injury issues like like Trout this year.
It's hard to be all things to all people. But
what I do know for sure, Pools definitely belongs, Cabrera
definitely belongs, and Julio Rodriguez definitely belongs. Because you want
to be able to celebrate the history of the game
and also where the game is going. One quick follow
up on this one, though, the idea that every team

(02:14:58):
has to be represented. I hate that in fact, if
you're having a bad season as a team and they
have to dig through your roster to come up with
a name, just to throw it out there, I've hated.
I remember one year with the Dodgers, the late Mike Sharperson,
who was a utility player, hardly an All Star. They
had to pick somebody, and they threw them out there
at the All Star Game, and it was like, well,

(02:15:20):
there's a there's and I was like, it's almost a
reminder of how bad a season the team is having
right now. But by having to put guys on from
every team, it might be leaving a couple of guys
out that should have been there. Well, that's a fair point.
I I though, I take the opposite perspective of I
think it's important that every jersey there that this isn't

(02:15:42):
the NBA or the NHL necessarily where it's it's a
smaller roster and you're not able to represent everybody. You've
got enough pitching spots to make it possible. And I
speak as the perspective of somebody from a mid sized
market where the Tigers growing up for me throughout the
entirety of the nine d nineties were not especially relevant,

(02:16:03):
but when my buddies and I were watching the All
Star Game, we would always pause to say, Okay, there's
Todd Jones or uh, Damian Easy or Tony Clark, whoever
was in a given year that matter does. And so
I think from my own experience of of how the
All Star Game welcomes in the big tent. Because I'll
say this, obviously, I cover the game nationally, which means I,

(02:16:26):
while I live in the Midwest, I still travel to
the coast quite often. And even then it's it's I
am always sensitive to the thought of are we being
too focused on the New York teams or the Dodgers
or the large markets. And so I think this is
one night where where we we I think, make that
statement to all fans around the country that your market

(02:16:47):
is special, we care about YouTube, and we want to
see your jersey represented at the BID Summer Classic. When
really the whole sports world, and at least in our country,
is is focused on this one event. Well, while the
fans are paying attention into the stars on the field,
you know what happens at the front office level. It's
an opportunity for these folks to get together in person

(02:17:08):
and talk to each other about potential trades, trade deadline
coming up very quickly as well. Are there is there
a team or teams in your opinion who are in
the hunt who really have a lot of work to
do by the deadline. I think one team I'll be
seeing this speak actually for our MLB network games, Cardinals Dodgers,
and that's St. Louis. Uh. To me, they're in the race, uh,

(02:17:31):
in the central And then we just talked about pools
and knowing that it's Albert's last year and Molina of
course has been injured for a while and Waynewright still
pitching great, but the offense has been abysmal for the
last week and they need to get a jolt here,
whether it's a Josh Bell from the Nationals, whether they
have to check with with Baltimore, with Anthony Santander. Even
though the Originals right now are are in the books,

(02:17:54):
I mean, they can't lose with the moment. So I
think that to me, uh, the Cardinals have some work
to do. I think on the position player front, I
would say the Red Sox need to add a bat,
whether it's at first or in right field. But I
think I would say Boston St Louis jumped to mind,
the Mariners are playing great, and I think they just
hope they'll get their own internal guys back, you know,

(02:18:15):
in Toronto, probably at a starting pitcher um, whether it's
a Chad Cool or Jose King Tana a rental piece,
perhaps I think they need to make a move there.
So I think there's a number of contenders. But I
really think it's interesting that at the same time you
have seen some teams that we thought were gonna be sellers,
like Baltimore all of a sudden, look how well they're
playing right now. And and Toronto's come back down to

(02:18:37):
earth a little bit to where the Orioles are now
a legitimate possibility in in the wild card race. So
it's gonna be a tough decision for Micha Elias right now.
Whereas I think some clubs like Candidly the Angels and
the White Sox have both really uh sunk down the
standings a bit to where I think, uh, they should
be sellers, and maybe that puts names like Lucas Giolito,

(02:18:59):
John Equato and even Jose brad You into play. Unbelievable.
Angels are seventeen and thirty eight in the last games.
I mean, that's just a staggering uh. If you're a
team like the San Diego Padres, the strength of their
team so far this season has been starting pitching. Would
you dare give up a starting pitcher thinking well, maybe

(02:19:19):
we can part with one of these guys in order
to get a bat in the lineup? Is that a
little too risky? Would you dare giving up a quality
starting pitcher just to add a bat to the lineup?
I would not. I would not, And I think I
would have to look at it in and take the

(02:19:40):
big picture long look here at at someone like a
Blake Snell. Well, obviously it's struggled. Would you consider I'm
sure that Padres would moving Snell's contract because it's a
big contract. He's not really performing up to it, and
so do you do that? Then maybe attach a prospect
to him to get what you need? And I think

(02:20:01):
that that becomes more of the conversation. Maybe you flipped
him for a bat that that you could perhaps utilize
as And again, now that you have that the d
H to work with, it expands your opportunities. Maybe even
a player like a Nelson Cruise could all of a
sudden be in the mixer of the padres too, but
I would not give up one of their higher end pitchers.

(02:20:21):
They do have some depth, whether it's Clevinger, um any
number of other guys that I would say, principally though
Clevinger or Snell to give up because they've honestly been
able to win games without them contributing in a huge way.
So one of those two pop perhaps, But I think
in general they should be able to, in my judgment,
trade a prospect and get a bat that they need.

(02:20:43):
It doesn't have to be a huge bat, I mean,
because they've been able to win games even with with
some of the injuries they've dealt with. I think one
bat at the very least is doable. And we know
that A J Brother always is open minded to make
a move. You know what this season started with, you know,
some level of controversy over Major League Baseball changing the
baseball yet again, except this time it was a press release,

(02:21:05):
like they admitted as much. We discussed it earlier in
the season. How it may be improving, you know, the
amount of action in game, getting runners on runners over
a little bit more small ball. Has that dissipated some
or are you still seeing that being the effect across
the league this year. It's it's an interesting question, Rich
because I do think the quality of the game is

(02:21:27):
being talked about a lot right now and where it's going.
A couple of things On that number one, I will
say that the time of the game has improved. It's
a pace of the game has definitely improved. And and
I just speak for my own anecdotal experience. You know,
I've done a lot of Yankee games this year, and
and the pace of those games that they it really

(02:21:48):
feels like they're moving along a lot better. And the
pitch comm has helped out a lot. I think we
could talk about the ball, which is part of it,
but the pitch comms at a humane effect where where
things are just moving and games are are timed out better,
where where you don't get those moments in the sixth
and the seventh where it's really dragging. Just being at
the ballpark a lot, seeing a lot of different teams,

(02:22:10):
I think I think the product is actually better. I really,
I really believe it's a better product now than it
was a year ago. And then whatever is going on
with the ball. Obviously people have said there's differences and
and people that are much smarter than me in baseball
that are looking at it and studying it, and and
those that are on the field say, yeah, the ball
is different. I do think it is different, but now
it's just a matter of how things are are going

(02:22:31):
to get to sort of out before the end of
the season. And then they take the broad perspective on
do you end up adjusting, whether it's the baseball again
perhaps with different modifications, or the pitch clock shifting. There's
a lot of variables there. But I would really say
you rich, and it's not just because I'm at the
ballpark on the time. I really believe the product is

(02:22:53):
better now than it was a year ago, even though yes,
there are so a lot of strikeouts in the game.
But I've actually been pleased at the pay. The pace
is the thing, and as long as the game is moving,
it's a very very good product. Well, JP, it's always
a pleasure for you to come on this show. By
the way, I want to find out what had to
be one of the highlights of your baseball life when

(02:23:13):
the immortal Robert Fick, as the sole representative for the Tigers,
came up as a pitch hitter in the eighth and
of the two thousand two All Star Game, the infamous
game that ended in a tie, and he singled off
Robin and were where were you in that mom I mean,
it's got to be it's got to be a moment
that you probably relive many times. So I can tell

(02:23:35):
you where it was that I was in the news
room of the Bay City Times in Bay City, Michigan
on my summer news internships that summer, very memorable summer.
I was covering school board meetings, uh, flower shows, anything
that was of of community interests. But that was where
I was in the night of the Tide All Star Game.

(02:23:56):
And you know what, it was the darned good thing
that Robert Fick was there because it gave me that
memory of where I was on that very night. The
immortal Robert Fick will always be known as never forget
All Star, one of the all time great jap here
the best. We always appreciate talk to you next week
sounds great, but next week will be on the precipice
of the All Star Game. Cannot wait, my friends, have

(02:24:18):
a great week and look forward to next week. Is
give me a lot of fun. There he is, the
great John Paul Morosie our Fox Sports Radio, MLB Insider,
MLB Network, as well Robert Fick All Star. Okay, let's
fight out. What's trending right now? A true All Star
really making his last appearance on this show? Wow? Yeah,

(02:24:38):
on this show the I can't believe that apartment. This
is it, This is it, Ralphie Baby, Ralph Irvin last
update for this show. Wow. As someone who grew up
in the Bay Area when the Giants and A's were
not that great, yeah, having that one All Star meant
a lot. Did it come on a dodder fan the

(02:24:59):
few years where they were really bad? It was just
it was a kick in the face. But you were
you were well into your years by that pain. Yeah.
Maybe well. And it's also like that that's the answer
that like spoiled, Like I don't want the crummy toys
from my birthday. I want good toys for my birthday.
But I mean again, just because you're you're throwing charity

(02:25:19):
out to teams that don't deserve it, Oh my god,
and somebody's left out of the game that actually deserves
to be there. Your monster Mobster, Steve, I don't get it.
It's like when they put Steve in the Celebrity All
Star Game at the MLS All Star Game. Yeah, but
I wasn't replacing anybody, weren't. You know, Are you sure
you're replacing me? I was a much better soccer player.

(02:25:41):
Well yeah, but you know, although I will say this,
the jersey they gave me a little tight your kit, Yeah,
I don't know Europeans medium that was they put a
really tight whenever you were like European fit, it's the
sleeves are always tight, and I always think like, oh,

(02:26:03):
look at that. The guns are really showing up. Yeah,
but but yeah, the rest of it is not flattering. Well,
the guns have finally showed up in New York where
they are enjoying free baseball, but they're not enjoying it
that much because Miami had two runs in the tenth inning. Well,
now in the bottom of the tenth with two out,
the Marlins with a two nothing lead over the New

(02:26:25):
York Mets. Meanwhile, they're in in the bottom of the
ninth in Atlanta where Washington and the Braves are tied
at three. That's because Austin Riley went deep with a
solo shot in the eighth inning to lock that one up.
Top of the eighth inning in Cincinnati, Reds all over
Tampa Bay ten four. Kansas City's still shutting out Cleveland
five nothing. That's in the eighth inning. Detroit and the

(02:26:45):
White Sox still at two's. They're in the eighth inning.
Pittsburgh got home runs from Michael Javis and O'Neil Cruz.
Now with five four leaders, they play at Milwaukee. In
the bottom of the sixth inning. Kyle Schwarber's home run
the difference. Phil Alfhia lead St. Louis three two in
the seventh in Minnesota, holding onto that five four lead
over Texas. That game is in the sixth inning. By

(02:27:09):
the way, you're Dodgers. Steve not a good Sunday for him.
The Cubs with a five nothing lead and they're in
the top of the first. Dodgers have some room to
play with. They have a seven game lead right now.
By the way, we have some big leads. I mean,
the Yankees are what like fourteen games and what are
they in the East right now? They're Oh no, they're

(02:27:30):
And that's why MLB is loving that wild card because
the teams that are involved in the wild Card tend
to be fifteen games up. Fifteen games up already. The
Astros are twelve games up in the Al West, the
Dodgers are seven games up. Yeah, there's some big leads.
But again with the added wild card this year, and

(02:27:51):
the one thing I really like about the wild card
this year, none of that one and done. I was
never in favor of that one game. Come on, but
two out of three. I mean, it's a hundred two games.
Rich's career was built on one and done. But that's
a game. Season out of the game was one game.
It was urgent every single time, Steve, Now it was

(02:28:12):
it's one game. You played in a lot of meaningless
games as well. I know, well, yeah that they're you're
in Arizona, a lot of meaningless games. We were so bad.
We started out so good though, and then we won
one single game after that, a lot of games down
the stretcher just like, hey, Harburger, get in there. No,
we had a lot of hit in there and it

(02:28:34):
was a rough season. Now you gotta throwaway game, Arburger,
were are you get that helmet on? And got you
back out there. First of all, we uh, we wish
you all the best. We want to make sure that
everyone out there listening and understands how special this man is.
Everything he has contributed to the Fox Sports Radio Network. Obviously,
our friendship will continue forever. But Ralph, whatever you choose

(02:28:58):
in your next endeavor, we wish you all the best. Well,
thank you very much, Steve, And for all those who
wonder about the smug no at all that is Steve Hartman.
He is a marvelous individual that I've called a friend
for twenty five years. Wow. That is very kind and
exactly as I wrote it. It's amazing. He read it perfect.
And you have no idea of the depth of the
trivia knowledge until you've seen it him. It's ridiculous. And

(02:29:20):
then and then from Ralphie and then there's rich who's
also here along for the ride. That's because you're busy
playing in Arizona. Well yeah again, that season cannot be understated.
How little people wanted to be there by the end
of that season, I mean, including the coachings that you
want to talk about out to lunch. Holy Macarona, gotta

(02:29:43):
finish the air. I will Ralph all the best, great
job as always, thank you. Um I'm gonna talk about
something that every once in a while I have to
talk about, and I know Rich could care less about,
but it brings up this whole idea about, you know,
honoring players and everything us. And this week they announced
fifty four names that are consideration for the Pro Football

(02:30:08):
Hall of Fame. Now Here, here's the thing. I just
want to stay quickly without going through all these names,
and just a general statement here. So you have twenty
five players on this list, and there are names that
you look at and maybe there's a few like wow,
he's not on the Hall of Fame or whatever. All
of these guys have been eligible for the Hall of
Fame for at least twenty five years. If after twenty

(02:30:34):
five years, these committees that meet on an annual basis
have not deemed you worthy being in the Hall of Fame,
why is there still these names on any list? With
all due respect, I mean, you could look at any
one of these names say, oh, yeah, he was pretty good.
I thought this guy was really good. Whatever, But at

(02:30:56):
some point you just have to have a cut off, right,
if I were dealing with halls of fame, I'm gonna
explain you exactly. And this is for any hall of fame,
whether it's football, baseball, hockey, basketball, this is the way
I would do it. Five years after you retire, you're
on the list. Okay, so you had five years to
figure out whether this guy belongs as an immortal. Five

(02:31:19):
years and you vote, and you got to get the
vote or wherever it is, and you don't make it right.
You will get one more chance five years later. So
five more years will pass, and those guys that were
passed over five years before, you're gonna get one more look.

(02:31:40):
And this is it. You gotta either say yes or no.
Everyone deserves a second chance. But this idea of dragging
these names out year after year after year after and
then you're forced to say, all right, we gotta pick
three of these guys. Which three a gay? Yeah? You
come on, well, let me let me she was the honor.

(02:32:02):
Let me give you, let me give you my perfect
hall of fame. Like, because I'm really against halls of fame.
I think they're incredibly stupid. I think Pro Bowl voting
and All Star voting in sports and incredibly stupid. It's
all watered down anyways, it doesn't it's not as meaningful
as it used to be when there was barn storming
happening with All Star teams, so that if there was

(02:32:23):
a star out of market that you couldn't see because
your local networks didn't pick up those games, you have
an opportunity to see them. But now with mass media
and social media, everybody gets to see everybody whenever they want,
all the time. That's how that's where world works. So
we don't need all this stuff. But if you want
to honor the past accomplishments of players and coaches and

(02:32:45):
administrators and executives and owners and all of the people
were important to the growth of your sport, why not
just why not just do it in a way where
the cut off or the barrier for entry is much lower,
and you exalt those who are more important. Like you
have wings, you have levels, You can even have floors
if you want to make it a multi level hall

(02:33:07):
of fame, where the top level is reserved for those
who were the most important to so for the Babe
Ruce and the Willie Mays and the Hank Errands and
those guys, and then you as you cascade down in
different levels. What levels, Harold Baines Right now, it's probably
right near the entrance, right near the fire alarm, right
by the entrance, just snuck in there. But that's my point,

(02:33:28):
Like there you can striate in any way you want,
and I'm sure there will still be some internal discussion
about where people belong and exist in the Hall of Fame,
but at least we won't have this ridiculous barrier entry,
this threshold with people who never actually played the sport
determining whether or not you are honored as prestigiously as others,

(02:33:49):
Like the fact that Don Corrielle and Mike Holme Grin
and Mike Shanahan and oh you and raise another coach shot.
I mean there are so many in this list, by
the way, Yeah, there's so many names. I mean, you
couldn't have the game of football in the NFL if
it weren't for these guys. It drives me nuts. It's stupid,

(02:34:11):
it's antiquated, and we only do this because the gatekeepers
continue to hold that power. It's so so silly. All Right,
we're ready to make some picks in the NFL. Oh yeah,
you're like, who whoa games on? Since? Oh yes they have. Yeah, yeah,
we got some picks for you coming up next, Steve
Harman and Rich Harburger Fox Sports Sunday. I want to
thank the guys today on the Man, the Big comeback

(02:34:34):
this weekend from Iowa Sam. By the way, Sam has
figured out the best way to kick the remnants of
what he's been suffering front is to eat as many
chicken nuggets as possible. How many? How many of you had? Um?
I mean for counting individual pieces, maybe like quite a bit. Yeah,

(02:34:55):
that's that's pretty side, but sure it will make you
feel much better. I feel right now I've come caffeinated
and chicken ate perfect perfect. Well, Sam's great to have
you back. We mentioned, of course, Ralph Irvan, who is
uh had an incredible career here at Fox Sports Radio
and much bigger things ahead for Ralphie. So there it is.
You know he's gonna be the superintendent at St. Andrew's

(02:35:18):
someday he will be where old Tom Morris once was.
I'd rather just be playing golf there than taking care
of the corral you know somebody has. If they give
you unlimited play by simply being the superintendent, that's not
a bad deal, to be honest. I'd probably just be
a better caddy. Yeah, well maybe even a caddy. Right,

(02:35:39):
But if you're watching somebody play as opposed to playing yourself.
That could get a little frustrated, but we wish you
all the best. Ralph, keep us update on everything. And
how about Bow hanging out today? Looking about Bow Benson
there Bo, it's been a challenge today, We've had some
building challenges. At least it's a little lighter than when
when we came in this morning we were literally in

(02:36:00):
the dark, like it was dark in here. We still are,
I know, but at least at least there's sunshine shinings
to the windows, but otherwise pretty pretty dark. But it's
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are sitting here, we will literally be in the precipice
of the beginning of training kids in the NFL rookies
for the Bills and the Raiders will we'll be reporting
a week from tomorrow on the eighteen, so we'll be

(02:36:42):
full fledged in the NFL. But of course in Vegas,
they don't waste any time the odds are out for
Week one of the NFL. You can lay down your
hard earned cash if you want to get ahead of
the curve here. So we always look at Vegas Insider
dot com because they put out what we call the
can Census odds. They take all the different books there

(02:37:03):
in Vegas and come up with a consensus line. We
do that. We've been doing this for years rich where
we make our weekly picks based on the consensus lines.
Are top picks every week. And it's uh, it's been
last year was a disaster. Remember how bad I was
last year. I'm usually pretty decent, but I just had
one of those years where it was just an absolute catastrophe.

(02:37:24):
But I want to look at the games because we
looked at these earlier in the week. I want your
best pick right now, if you want to lay down
your heart earned money. UM, one of these lines. Even
before we started training camp, Who do you believe is
the best bet in Week one? UM? Looking at the matchups,

(02:37:44):
the one that sticks out the most to me is
the Steelers dogged by six and a half. Uh, Cincinnati.
I just I just don't think the Steelers get beat
by that much. I just don't. I So I like
that line. I I like that number. I think you'll
probably increase as we get closer to the started season,
especially when reports are coming out and we're hearing good

(02:38:07):
things about one of these quarterbacks, whether it's true Bisky
or Picket. Yeah. So I like that. I think it'll
be Turbisky will be started out, like I mean, Robisky
has a winning records a quarterback, and with that defense
in the run game with Naji Harris, yeah, I like
the Steelers in that spot. My favorite pick right now
is the Money Night game, which is the Broncos at
the Seahawks. The Broncos are four and a half point

(02:38:29):
favorites on the road. Long dog. I'll take Seattle all
week long. I think they got something in store for
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