Willard and Brooks break down NBA drama, Wimbledon and much more!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
You're listening to Fox Sports, Well you're gonna get yourself
some Bucky Brooks, but Mark Willard in for Mike Harmon
because two hours, Bucky, two hours of soaking in all
of those Warriors apologies yesterday, Oh wasn't it wasn't enough enough.

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So I thought, come on, let's let's run it back,
um and double it up at the same time, four
hours this morning to get your day started. Wherever you are.
Thank you for being with us, and Bucky is good
to talk to you again. What's up, my man? How's everything?
Everything there is? Everything is fantastic, everything is everything is beautiful. Um,

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you know how it is? I mean, uh, to let
everyone know, I'm I'm coming to you from from the
San Francisco Bay area, and that the glow, the glow
has not uh it's not worn off yet. What what glow?
What we're talking about? To come on now, come on now,
talk about I mean, it's July. It's July, and therefore

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there's it's a tradition, uh most July's here's what we do. Um.
You you celebrate a Warrior championship and you talk about
where Kevin Durants gonna play next. That's that's July. Oh see,
my My July is different, you know, because I think
I misrepresented the seasons yesterday because it's baseball season. You
know what I'm saying, Mark Willard, and I'm looking up

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in the Dodgers ort. Is that twelve and a half games?
Well I don't have twelve games up on the Giants.
Oh yeah, yeah, I know. I know. Big win. Last night.
You just heard I talking about Carlos for Don just
to just to scrape above five. But yeah, nobody really

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worries about that that division championship because uh, you know,
the Dodgers have a whole lot of those. But you know,
it's it's what happens after that the matter. I was
just a Dodger stadium a couple of weeks ago. Have
going to take a picture in front of the trophy?
You want to send it? I can say, I can
text it to you in the trophy. You know, I
actually would like a picture. I love a picture of

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it because I want to I want to know. Is
it is it a third the size of the We're
just I just I'm just like I've never I haven't been.
I don't know, So I thought I thought i'd ask
somebody in the know. Yeah, yeah, no, no, the same, same,
same size, same everything celebrates just like everybody else, you know,
if you want, I mean, listen, I'm not gonna get

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in the way of a party. Uh, same way like
every July. We're not gonna get in the way of
the Kevin Durant party. But I I listen, Bucky. The
longer this goes, and we sort of have indications that
this is gonna go for a while, I think we
need to call in Santa Claus. And and here's why,
I think he might be the only one who can help,
because Santa Claus is very used to it when people

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sit down and ask him for things that don't exist.
Little Cindy, what what would you like for? Oh? Well,
I'd like a unicorn um right, or or I'd like
mommy and Daddy to like each other again. I mean,
there's there's all kinds of different things that might get
thrown at Santa and Santa can't do that, and he

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knows how to handle that situation. Therefore, we would like
Kevin Durant and the Brooklyn Nets to sit down, one
leg each on Santa Claus's lap and and ask him
for this trade because I feel like it's a unicorn,
a good one does not exist. I've thought about this,
especially being someone who does work at the flagship station

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for the Warriors. This is obviously something we talk about
a lot. We've thought about it a lot. We've been
through all the different angles of it over the last
five years. And as I look around at the league, Bucky,
I don't see the deal that exists provided that here's
what we're looking for the premises, Kevin wants to compete

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for a title and the Nets would like fair return.
Where where is that? Where does that exist? Man? I
don't I don't know, Like when I think about it,
they're handful of spots, right he named a couple of spots.
Miami and Phenix were at the top of the list.
There's been some conversation about Toronto being in the mix um.

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But outside of that, and then you know the reunion
with the Warriors, if you want to go back and
run it back, and we kind of talked about that before.
Does he want to go back and what would it
do to the dynamics of the team. Steph Curry has
kind of grown up since Kevin Durant has left. He's
kind of come back and shown that he can kind
of put the team on his back in certain instances.
And so I don't know if Kevin Courant could go

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back there and not upset the apple cart when it
comes to the chemistry and continuity there, you know. And
what the Brooklyn Nets want is they want a couple
of stars. They want three four first round picks and
and those stars they're they're talking about like high end
players that can get it done. And I just don't
know who he's one of mortgage to form for a

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player who look, he's sixteen years into the league, but
he's thirty three years old. The last couple of years
we've seen injuries kind of pop up in his game.
It makes it a horrord thing. I think it has
to be a right now team that can do it.
I don't know, man, Phoenix, well, I mean there was
the only one. I'm staring at Phoenix's salaries right now.

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Here's the part that you know a lot of people
are just like, oh whatever, like, you know, pull off
some sort of a trade of the salaries need to match. Okay, Um,
so you're going to need max type players to go
and return. Uh, there's no sense in acquiring Kevin Durant
if you're gonna have to give up Devin Booker to
do it, because that's I don't know that you're Are

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you that much better Chris Paul and Kevin Durant? That
doesn't sound that's not enough, right, So so Booker has
got to be there, and I imagine Brooklyn has no
interest in Chris Paul. So where is this salary coming from?
The starting piece would probably be your signing trade with
DeAndre Ayton, but what does that do? Maybe get you

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halfway there? So now what are you thrown in? Draft picks?
Does Brooklyn really want draft picks from a team that's
going to probably be one of the top three seeds
and therefore that draft pick is gonna be twenty or
twenty nine or thirty? Um? Who who are the other players? Um?

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The only other players besides eighton Booker and Chris Paul
on the Suns who make ten million or more are
unicorns that don't exist. Nobody, nobody else makes ten million
dollars on this roster and nobody else. I mean, they're
good players, they were the Suns. They had more wins

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than anybody this year, but nobody that's gonna make you
feel like, yeah, that's the centerpiece to to a deal
that's gonna make us feel good about giving up Kevin Durant.
So we can say, yeah, get me to the Suns,
get me to the heat. But but make sure Jimmy
Butler is still there. I don't know how do they
how do the nets? At minimum, you gotta look at

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your employer in this case, and you know this, Bucky,
especially because you have like twelve of them, right, you
have like twelve employers. If you're gonna go through a
situation with your employer and there's going to be a
peaceful parting of ways, you at minimum have to allow
them to say face, yeah, now you have to feel
like and look the only team you can't trade what

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you can't trade with utuch ads because Danny Ange appears
to always fleece the other time, you can't you can't
trade with him. But yeah, you have to feel like
you've won the trade at the end of the day.
And if you if you walk away feeling like, man,
I just gotta taken advantage of ahead a multiple time
All Star. I got a guy who's been two Tons

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Finals MVP, Like I have to make sure that I
get fair value and return. It's a hard deal. It's
a hard negotiation. It is a really hard negotiate And
when you have Kevin durant um at his age and
that other stuff you're talking about matching salaries, it just
makes it very, very difficult. And so I wonder how
long the Brooklyn Nets can take this. I mean, it's

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not on them before they have to make a decision
like what do we really want him back? And if
we want them back, if we take him back and
we don't move him, then what what does that look like? Well,
you hear a lot of people and you even hear
this from the Nets, and to me, it just feels
like a bunch of posturing because, um, you hear, oh,
well they they may keep him, you know they they

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they have the leverage here and you you got four
more years of durant under contracts. So this is my
favorite stuff that we say in sports media. You look
him in the eye and you tell him you're playing
for us or you're not playing for anyone. Yeah, right, Okay,
that's real negotiating right there. Okay, Fred flint Stone, how

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how how's that? Like? How's that act? Surely? Look how
does that play out? You understand that your team is
then a mess as well. When you take a star
and you have a stand, Tell me when this has
ever worked in life. We've got a massive star player
and the team and they're at odds and you play

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hardball with the star, the star won't play. The whole
thing hangs over the organization. Meantime, they've got to go
try and win. When does that ever work? When? When
when has the team been like, yeah, it turned out
we went out on the field with this distraction and
we were missing our star player and we didn't get
anything for him, and we won a championship. It was amazing.

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There's a that that's that's never happened in the history
of sports. You can't you can't play it that way.
If you're gonna go down this rabbit hole as far
as they've gone, you gotta deal him. Yeah, look, I
think they need to deal Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irvan
because of the chemistry the lack thereof that was the

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played throughout the year. But throughout the season when they
were getting it just seemed like it's a just real
difficult job for Steve Nash kind of keep all these
guys together, but also the disgruntled employee that Kevin Durant is.
It's gonna make it difficult because he's not gonna give
you the same kind of effort. He's not gonna pour
into the squad. He's not gonna put up buckets like
he normally do. I mean he like he's a sniper.

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He always hits buckets. But there's gonna be a different
look and a different field. The problem that you have
is you don't want to give him away for nothing,
and so who is ultimately going to come up and
pay for it? And I think their teams around the
league that would love to happen. But I think he's
coveted at a different level depending on where you are

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in your rebuilding process or championship chasing process. If you're close, yes,
he's the chairy on top of the Sunday. He's the
guy that gets you over the top. That's what he
didn't go to State previously. He helped him get over
the top, went back to back titles. That's what he does.
If you're not close, though, is he going to get
you in the mix and are you comfortable saying okay,

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two to three years we're in the conversation, but we're
not getting over the hump. I don't know. I think
it's look, man, I think it narrows the field. That's
why we talked about what two teams Um Phoenix and
Miami kind of being in the mix. Outside of that,
it just makes it very, very difficult to move him on,
no doubt. And let's also remember, you say two to
three years from now, that will be when he is
thirty six or thirty seven years old. He's turn and

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thirty four before they play another game, and he was
already on a team that was dripping with talent and
they couldn't even win one playoff game. I know all
the issues that they had wonders, Yes there were, Yes, Yes,
we'll put it in the almost column. I didn't realize
there was an almost column. If that's the case, I'm

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just saying they got one that's in the almost I
mean just a blak, I mean blake statement, like Jayson
Tatum hitting a throw up at the buzzer, Lay Irving
doing a fly by swipe. I'll let him shoot it,
didn't you know? Did you have some some other ones
tough down the stretch saying gosh, and here here I

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was thinking in the NBA, Uh, you had to actually
win get to get the candy. I didn't. I didn't realize.
I mean, you can get a candy anytime. Um. All right,
So that's what the Lakers are trying to do. Because
what's the other half of this conversation that is Kyrie Irving? Um,

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the Lakers and Lebron James seemed to want him badly?
Do the fans? How do we think that will look?
We can get into that coming up next. Plus uh,
coming up in about twenty minutes, Bucky, We're gonna talk
to my buddy Rex Hoggard from the Golf Channel because
you and I got started on some some live golf conversations.
This is not going away. It's getting ugly. I mean

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in a weird way. I saw the problem. I mean,
Dustin Johnson, he didn't even know what to do with himself. Off.
It's like should I walk left? Should I walk wet
the open bar? We go? We have snacks that a
spread going. I mean, the mantra for live golf is
just too much, That's what it is. Right. Yeah, we live,

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we live in a life of access for Yeah, we'll
get into that. As well. That's all around the Corner
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Rex Higgrid In about ten minutes. Bucket with all your
talk yesterday about chicken and asparagus. I had to take note,
uh this Wimbledon final between Djokovic and Curios that's going
on right now. Um, I just found out the courtesy
of Twitter. Uh that uh and and this has to

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be a first. This is uh, this is a matchup
between two vegans, right, which is um. I mean I
have I have zero to say about how anybody wants
to approach their uh, their their their life and their
their diet. Like you know, whatever is great for you,
that's uh, that's that's great. Period. Uh. That's one of

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those things. And I guess I can't knock it because
I've never tried it, but I literally break out into
a cold sweat at the idea that I would not
be able to have a burger or your famous chicken
and asparagus. Again, I can't even imagine it. So I

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can tell you coming out of that because I did
it for I would do fish only, but pesketarian, but
primarily I was more vegetarian for like two years up
until like a month ago. Really yeah, yeah, I wouldn't.
I wouldn't doubt my daughter, um started she's vegan, and
so I was like, all right, i'na support you just

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in that I'm gonna do it. But Mark, after a while,
and after a while, you know, after a while, you're
like man in and out, man to go out getting
grilled cheeses, like you know, I mean, you know when
you say after a while two years, I'd be like,

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after two hours, I can't. I mean, like, we'll see,
it's six twenty three in the morning where we are.
I don't think I'm gonna be able to get to
eight without scrambled eggs. Like yeah, And there's so many
different variations because some people will have eggs, others won't

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consume eggs. Like, it just depends. It's just really really hard.
Like and as I told her, like, you just gotta
be up on making sure that you get all the essentials.
You get your proteins, you get all your vitamins and
all that, because when you neglect something, you're you know,
you gotta replace it. You gotta make sure that you're
feeling it. But hey, man, it's it's hard. It's hard
taking the crew out to uh, let's say Morton's right,

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and you're you're eating all the bucket of sides you
you're looking at them. Yeah, I'm still I'm not a
I'm not really a rid meat eater, but I was
like I got it and stuff. Yeah, but I feel
bad for people who are doing it because gosh, you

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go to the restaurant and and ordering is just a conversation.
It's like, here's the right, here's a menu, and you
can order, or how about you and I go in
the back room and negotiate for about ten minutes and
see if we can come out with something that you
can bring to me. I know that there are restaurants
that target it now, and obviously all restaurants they're doing

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a better job. But it's more expensive. Dude, it's more
expensive to do that. I'm gonna tell you, yeah, because
because for it, mad and you talk about your Burger, right,
so then they're the brands like impossible to be on Burger.
So man, you're you're paying like an additional three and
a half four bucks for the non meat product, right,
And so is that an imad? And like, so my

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parents are from the Deep South. My parents are from
North Carolina, So when I go visit them, and like,
North Carolina is known for barbecue and pig pickings and
all of this and They're like, hey, dude, what do
you need? Oh, you know what, I'm gonna to bake
me and I'm uh, let's see. Uh right, They're like,

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what what do you tell you? Who are you? You know?
Being the California he man, you're at the avocado what avacade?
It's delicious. I'm so glad that they used the word
impossible to describe the burger. And I'm like, you're right, Like,
I feel like that's a message they're trying to send

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to people and they're missing it. They're like, Oh, there's
the impossible burgers. It's gonna be better for you. You're like, no,
being a vegan is impossible. That's what they're trying to
tell you. You should listen to them when they're talking
to you. I I listen, God, God love it it.
I get it better for the environment. Did you feel
better when you didn't too? By the way, did you

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feel good? I mean I felt I mean I feel good.
I mean I felt great. I didn't have any issues,
I wasn't sick anything. I was good. I mean, you're
a former pro athlete, you love it when we no,
I mean, I mean I feel I felt good. Like
that just was like I was. I was good, I
was solid, but I just felt like I was hungry

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all the time. Like I felt like, you know what
I'm saying, Like I felt like I was. As I
was telling my daughter, I was like, man, I'm doing
this and I feel like I'm getting fatter, you know,
like you're taking it up. So it's one of those things,
you know, It's one of those things where I was like,
you know, I think I'm gonna give it a little
break for a little bit. It was the first thing,
the first thing you did the day you woke up

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and you're like, we're going we're doing a break. What
was the next Okay, So it was it was two things,
right because then you have the nis thing. I did
absolutely smash a double double from I don't know, like
they couldn't have given me that soon enough for me
to put it in put the trash away, I mean

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too three bites bang out and then um I went
and I kid you about your chicken and asparagus, but
it was like I had like a rotisserie chicken salad.
Oh my god, yeah, like just crushing, just whittling the
breast off the bone. And I was like, you know,

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I gotta miss this for a minute, like hey, little
lean this lean that. I mean, they're gonna hate me
around the corner because I have been there, like when
they were hey, hey, come on, you know what I need.
I need my salad, I need my thing. I am
a bit of a guy that's a creature of habit
when it comes to routine. And I was like, hey,
need my salad, I eat this, I need that. Let's

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let's go, let's go to work. Oh man, how did
your body reacts when you did that dog? Oh? I
mean it was it was fine. Yeah, it was fine.
It was funny. And then you know the other thing.
We would go to the Dodger games, right, Oh, what
do you do? How do you go to the Dodging game?
You can't get a dodge your dog? Right? Like you
go vegetarian, you eat like French fries every meal. No,

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you know, I mean you can do it, man, you
can do it. But the Dodgers have some options. But
like the plant based things are cool. But anything like
the dodge your dog. You know what I'm saying, Well,
Dodger dogs overrated. But whoa, whoa, those those are almost words,
not almost. I'll fight you on that one that mean
it is listen, you know what is it's a perfect

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comment to sneak in right before a Dodger stadium legend.
Isaac Low and Crown jumps in to tell us what's
trending and and save me from the haymaker that you
want to throw right now? What's up? I'm saving you
because I feel so peaceful because we're breaking out the
tofu keen Wa and Kale. Indeed, they all vegan Wimbledon final.

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I don't know how they do it, but the matches
underway and the opening said I said, losers got to
eat the court. That's what if you really want to
make this Wimbledon, that's right. If you're gonna be vegan,
loser eats the court. You know, it's interesting, Bucky. I
pulled the same stunt as you. Well, not stunt, but
I had a period a few months ago where I

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went vegan as well, you're already you're already one of
these a hundred eleven pounds soaking wet dudes. What are
you doing? It didn't do It didn't last because you
know what this is. That's the sound of my sausage
McMuffin wrapper. Djokovic and Curios. It was it was fine.

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I felt, I felt terrific. But the problem is, it
just takes too much effort to sustain with all the
other things we busy people have going on in our lives.
It's it's you have to you have to plant it
out a little. You really do get it. You gotta
play and out what your meals are gonna be and
what you're doing. And yeah, we don't. We don't have

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the personal chefs that Djokovic and Curios do. And they're
going at it in the opening set the Gentleman's Singles
final at Wimbledon, and right now Curios leads Djokovic and
the first set four games to to one. Other note,
Djokovic is thirty five years old. If he keeps up
this vegan thing for five more years, we can call
him the forty year old vegan. On that note, On

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the Major League Baseball where I got it, the Seattle
Marina has got a two run home run from Carlos
Santana the bottom of the seventh. Then he beat the
Toronto Blue Jays two to one. The Mariners on a
seven game winning streak to Los Angeles Dodgers on a
six game winning streak after a four to two victory
over the Chicago Cubs, Freddie Freeman the go ahead two
run single the bottom of the seventh inning. Clayton Kershaw

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struck out set ten batters in seven or two thirds
innings zero walks for the wind to improve his record
six and two. Carlos road On of the San Francisco
Giants a complete game, three hitter and there three one
Big three at San Diego, and the Red Sox rallied
for three in the bottom of the tenth sending to
stun the Yankee six to five. Finally, an NFL social
media update. Baltimore Ravens quarterback Lamar Jackson, who of course

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is in the midst of ongoing contract negotiations, caused a
story yesterday when he changed his Twitter and Instagram background
pictures to a picture of a set of gold cap
teeth with the phrase I need money printed on them.
On social media freaked out, convinced that it was some
sort of cryptic message about his contract negotiations, but Jackson
would subsequently tell USA Today that it's actually an homage

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to a two thousand and one comedy film entitled How High,
starring those noted at Thespian's method man and red Man, who,
by the way, is not to be confused with one
time Ravens quarterback Chris Redmond. Alright, mark this whole Vegan
thing aside. All right here, here's the thing. Because we're
both Dodger dog experts, just like Bucky is. It's not

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Farmer John anymore. So I'll give you that I have
an emotional bond, lifelong bond with the old Farmer John
hot dogs as a kid, right easternmost in quality, westernmost
in flavor. The press box hot dogs that you and
I had for so many years were boiled, not grilled.

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And I will say this, you have a pretty good
with those garlic fries in San Francisco. I'm still gonna
go with the old Dodger dogs. But those garlic fries
I can smell them right now. They just come with
so many losses though, oh my god, it goes so many.
I was like, hey, can I get a garlic and
some hales that it would be different? Like do you
have to ask for that extras? For as extra? Did

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they come with it? Educated man? Can you count to three?
Can you count to three? I mean, there's been a
long time it really has. It's been a long time.
It's been like a lifetime, a lifetime. I'll wait for
the other baseball team that's won three rings in the
last twelve years. Go ahead, I'm waiting ahead time. That's

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a long time. Yeah. But anyway, we don't we don't
need to do this, this controversial conversation because we've got
Rex Hoggard of the Golf Channel standing by with his
own controversial conversation. Because that's what's happened to golf. I mean, Rex,
it's funny and and good morning, thank you so much

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for hopping on, Mark Willard, Bucky Brooks, Fox Sports Radio.
I mean, we're we're sitting here looking at a sport
that for years it used to be, you know, who's
gonna be the guy alongside Tiger and Tiger Phil and
then Tiger VJ. And it's hard for golf to get
into that sort of social media battle conversation. Well, it's

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gone and done it now and and so the big
question is where does this all go from here? This
battle between the PGA Tour and live golf. What do
you think Remember when the time the most controversial thing
in golf we talked about with slow play or Tiger
Jack Nicholas. I mean, and then were back in the

(27:04):
good old days when that that was the only thing
we had to worry about. It is, it dominates the
conversation Lift goff and whatever it is they're going to become.
I guess an answer of your question is they're going
to have to figure out a way to co exist.
And of all people who took I think Rory mclroory
saying that earlier this week he had been the one
who had dug in the most against Lift Golf and
what they represented and pledged his allegiance to the p

(27:26):
g A tour, and he kind of changed his tune
earlier this week, And I think he came by it
honestly because the situation we find ourselves in right now
Lift Golf, it's at two events and they continue to
get players, and it sounds to me is if more
players are going to going over over the coming weeks
and months and they're not going away, so co existing,
coexist is the only way this is gonna work. You know,

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politics aside um, how are they going to sustain this
business model? Because they are dropping wads of cash to
attract golfers to the Tour, and it just doesn't seem
like it is a sustainable model. I don't to get it.
They can. I can't imagine any time in the future,
in the near future, at least as long as I'm
going to be in the game, that they will be
able to. They don't have a TV contract, which is

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what generates most of the funding on the PGA Tour
in other sports as well, they don't have any outlook
for sponsors right now. They don't have tournament sponsors, they
don't have umbrella sponsors, they don't have any of the
things that make the PGA Tour work. But they do
have the probably the deepest pockets that you can possibly imagine,
and the Saudi Solving Wealth Fund, and right now it

(28:28):
seems like that is a bottomless pick when you hear
these numbers that players are getting offered, when you hear
these ridiculous amounts of money. They're going to have twenty
five million dollar purses for every event. To put that
in context, this year in the PGA Tour the biggest
purse with twenty millions, and that was just one event
at the Players Championship. So in short term, I don't
know that they can make this work. There's no way

(28:49):
they turn this into a viable business. However, that that
also thanks from the idea that at some point the
Saudi money drives up, and I don't think that happens
so Rex that that's an interesting question from Bucky, and
I think it's the question because if it's not sustainable financially,
whether that's near term, long term, whatever, what's the goal
are Are they just here to mess with everybody? Like?

(29:12):
What what is it they are trying to do? Sports washing?
I think would be the easiest answer, and whatever it
is that means to each person, whatever it is that
means societies. I think what they're trying to get at
is the idea that they've invested in other sports, and
they've invested in football overs here. I believe they own
Manchester City or one of the big football clubs. They've
invested in Formula one. They see sports as an outlet

(29:35):
and maybe even as an investment. To the previous conversation,
maybe they do see a model that somehow works and
becomes profitable in the future. But in the short term,
this is all about sports washing. This is about taking
the bad things that your government is known for, and
the bad things you have done and try to coloss
over them with sports you know, and in thinking about
sports washing, one of the things that you do wonder

(29:56):
is what is the PGA's reaction to that when it
comes to not only the players that maybe they're exiling,
but how do they treat their current players to prevent
more defections. Well, you've seen changes, and I would argue
this is a disruptor on a huge scheme, but there
are some positives that are coming out of this. You
look at the way sort of player empowerment and every

(30:17):
other sport now we're seeing it on the p G
A tour we'll never seen it. Pushes are going up
and players are being taken care of, conversation about maybe
we do need to guarantee some sort of money for
our top stars like every other sport. In golf, you
keep what's killed and that's it, but in every other
sport there are guarantees. And I think there was an

(30:38):
idea among the star players, the one that really drive
a machine, that they weren't being taken care of enough.
And if you look at what the changes that have
been made, the person increases. The idea about the tour
is probably going to drink a little bit. The idea
that they're going to create this series in the fall
that essentially just guarantees those top players money. All of
that is a direct benefit because of the lift Golf threat. Xaggard,

(31:00):
senior writer, Golf Channel, with us here at Fox Sports Radio,
Bucky Brooks Mark Willard with you, Rex, what's your take
on the r n A. The royal and ancient really
the governing body with a lot of board members, um
who are also uh, you know, doing things like the
official World Golf Ranking. Um. The fact that they held

(31:22):
out Greg Norman from the Open Championship festivities, to you
means what It's probably the most petty thing I think
I've ever seen in my entire life. And again, I'm
I'm kind of jaded on this. I worked and a
partner of the PGA Tour, so I'm going to call
it out. However, on this one, you feel like that's

(31:43):
kind of the meanest thing you've ever done. That's high
school nonsense. When you call up someone and you say
it when you think about coming to my party, Yeah,
don't don't even bother. They're not invited to come to
my party. It's just petty, mean I think kind of ridiculous.
I did sort of the idea here and Dreg Norman,
I just said he's the biggest disruptor of the game
has ever seen. Next week is the one celebration of

(32:03):
the Open Championship on the Old Course in St. Andrews.
It's a very very special moment and they don't want
that to be overshadowed. I get it. I understand that completely,
but it still seems a little petty. It certainly appears
to be petty. But you know, like there are all
these exemptions that garfers are going to be granted for,
like the Majors and those things. Do we think most

(32:24):
of the guys on the Live Tour will come back
and play in those events? It that creates an interesting
dynamic here moving forward, let's say, and it goes back
to what I said, let's say the pieces of the
tour and look off to find the way to coexist
in that universe. You have two sets of players. The
only time that the best players in the world then
ever truly play each other is the four times of
the major championships. That kind of just elevates the majors,

(32:47):
And if you read between the lines, it seems like
the majors are starting to take sides. I mean, certainly
the Greg Norman situation and him being disinvited leads you
to believe that the army is taking the PGA Tour
side and they're gonna stand in line with the were.
Certainly the pg of America has made those indications. It
remains to be seen for the US Open and how
the Masters are gonna fall in line. If you have

(33:08):
a situation though, where those four events, the biggest four
events in golf totally become bigger. I think that benefits
them greatly. So I will be curious to see how
that plays out rex with with another major coming. Uh,
maybe maybe we get one question, one thought from you
that's not about all this controversy. How's Tiger's health as

(33:29):
we get ready for this one. I was about to
say we were a long ways into this one and
we hadn't even mentioned Tiger Woods. I was. It was
in Ireland with him on Monday and Tuesday, followed him
around at the pro am that he played, uh, and
he was moving slow, and I think that's probably going
to be the case going forward. However, that being said,
it's it's down in Scotland. Right now, it's warm, and
that's a flat golf course and it's a dry golf course.

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It is the perfect combination in scenario for Tiger Woods.
I'm not gonna be surprised if he makes the cut.
And as crazy as this down, I think in his
mind he feels like he can contend in contention. Well
now that's when he said, I say, he just said
Tiger may contend. No, he said, Tiger thinks he can content.

(34:11):
Good to think, no, Okay. So so if I was
if I was a betting man, who should be the
one or two guys that I should look for to
really contend to win this title coming up Scottish Open today.
So Xander Schaffway, it seems like he is in such
good for him. He's already won twice this year, he
was dominant at the pro am on Thursday in Ireland.

(34:33):
He's playing this Links golf course like he invented the name.
So he would be probably the guy I would start with.
Justin Thomas would be the other one I would look at.
I just feel like his convience level since a PGA
Championship has shot up and the golf course next week
he is going to play so fast that and without
any wind and without any weather, we could see some
spoilers broke. And I think JT would be a guy

(34:55):
that could do that. Rex Golf questions there at the end,
it might have been some time since you've answered any
of those. Were glad we could do that, and glad
you could come on, man, thank you so much for
doing it that. How about it? What a thought? Rex Aggerd,
Senior writer, Golf Channel with us here, Mark Willard, Bucky Brooks,

(35:16):
and we'll get to the Kyrie stuff. Um buyer beware,
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(35:36):
it's uh, it's Fox Sports Radio getting your weekend going
with Bucky Brooks, Mark Willard. I want to get your
take on what Ilo was talking about a handful of
minutes ago with that Lamar Jackson social media there. We
can do that at the at the top of the hour.
But come on, man, you're you're all dialed in with

(35:58):
what's going on with the Lakers, where are you out
on on Kyrie And and visualize, don't just oh look
at the name, let's grab it. Visualize and explain to
me how this actually looks if it happens. Uh, it's
tough because there's so many things when it comes to
Carrie right is beyond the floor stuff where he is. Look,

(36:21):
he's a magician. Guy can get a bucket. He is
terrific handle, he can um. I mean like literally he
can get to the basket whenever he wants. And he's
a tremendous score. He's not necessarily a natural point guard.
But you think like Lebron and he had made magic before,
Like we saw it in Cleveland. We saw how he
was able to kind of go off the ball sometimes

(36:42):
let Lebron do his deal, and then he would hit
big buckets, namely that bucket that he drained of Steph
to kind of clench the the title years ago. And
so now you think about fast forwarding that Lebron is
an older guy, and what I would say if I'm
a Lakers executive, I need someone that can take some
of the load off Lebron during the regular season, in particular,
so he doesn't have to expand so much, so maybe

(37:03):
he's a little fresher in the postseason. What Kyree can
do that? And I think that's what they were thinking
when they got Russell Westbrook. That was a rest Brook
would take some of the load off Lebron to the
regular season, and then when you get to the postseason,
Lebron can be Lebron. What kind of we still can
do that? We saw that, we saw him go off.
We've seen him go bonkers or whatever. The problem that
you have is the lack of availability because he's gonna

(37:25):
take some days off. You know, you just want employees
that's just gonna call in, you know, tell you like, hey,
you know, don't feel like a little tell me eight
you know, hey you need a mental health day. I mean,
it's always gonna be something. So you have to know,
if we have an eighty two games schedule, we can
only potentially pencil a man for maybe sixty, knowing that
that might be fifty by the time we get to it. Yeah,

(37:50):
so how do we So how do we handle that?
And then the other thing is what is he gonna say?
Like I think that's the thing he's gonna say. Is
he gonna challenge us in the media that they the
world is flat? Are we here like a different I mean,
like something else that I mean, like I would say,
it's not a distraction, but it is a distraction because

(38:10):
everyone's going to ask about it. You know, this color
is red. No it's not, it's blue. I'm telling you
it's red. The stop sign is right, no, no, no, no,
that's blue. And like we have a two week debate
over Carey proof well and all that stuff. That stuff
gets magnified even more if you're wearing a Laker jersey,
I mean, point guard of the Lakers. This is this

(38:33):
is a gig that's got some history and some gravitas
and and and like you said, yeah, the earth, this
earth this flat. The sky is orange, although in that
way sometimes the sky is orange. But anyway, like it's
gonna be a lot, it's it's gonna be a lot here.
Here's what I'd say. And when I left ESPN, when

(38:54):
my time uh in l a at ESPN was done
at a very good friend who gave me some advice
that I never never forgot, and that job was up,
and you're out there like looking for what's going to
be next, and he goes be very very careful about
trying to recreate the past because it never looks like

(39:15):
you think it's going to look. And so I would
tell that to Lebron, who's working so hard to get
Kyrie irving there. And I'd add in something that you
said yesterday. We talked about how the Lakers have always
hunted for stars, but they've also always done it with
something home grown, a home base, a magic Johnson and

(39:36):
James Worthy of Kobe Bryant. This this Lakers star chasing.
To me, this feels frenetic. Bucky, you know that's a
little different. It's certainly different. Originally, when we thought about
the star chasing, like okay, it's gonna be cool's gonna
be okay, Coulma, we talked about these guys are here,
so you've got the young dudes, you got the old dudes,

(39:58):
gonna show the young dudes how to win, YadA, YadA, YadA.
But now you're right, they don't have any homegrown pieces. Well,
they do have some that are role players, but they
don't have any prominent homegrown pieces. And as much as
I like to say, like in l A, this is
how you have to win the team, look at how
the Rams are constructed. Look at how the Dodges are constructed. Now,
look at how the Lakers are doing it. It's hard

(40:19):
to sustain that model if you don't get the rate
pieces in place, no doubt. More on that coming up. Plus,
Lamar Jackson, I need money. Oh wait, I'm paying homage
to method man. Okay, alright, I I got a lot
to say about this. We'll we'll do that coming up. Well,
we got the bucket Brooks part no problem, mark where

(40:42):
it in for Mike Harmon as we roll on a
Fox Sports Sunday, good stuff in the first hour, Kevin Durant,
Kyrie Irving, and even a little golf controversy to boot.
Plus we got to the bottom of the whole vegan
vegetarian thing. Uh you guys confirmed for me, Nope, I
couldn't do it. Uh and uh and so I won't.

(41:04):
But we'll get to something that maybe, at least for me, Bucky,
I find this to be maybe, uh even more of
an emotional trigger. Like I don't have a whole lot
of pet peeves. I I'm I'm a pretty I'm a
pretty happy dude, and I feel like I can get
along in a lot of different environments. But there is

(41:25):
one thing that really gets me, and I give you
a quick example. Um, it is when people really, really
at a high level, lack self awareness. On a small level. Example,
I take my son to the baseball game about a
week and a half ago. Uh, we're just gonna sit
out in the bleachers as the Giants Tigers game. So

(41:47):
we go out there and we're sitting in the bleachers.
And in today's day and age, the bleachers get packed
because it's where you can get in and get out
for less than five dollars. So it's full out there, right,
And so I'm there, and uh, and my girls there,
and my two sons are there, and and uh, and
it's tight. And there's this older woman who is sitting

(42:11):
next to my fifteen year old son who really really
really wants to talk to the people who are in
front of her to the right, so they're right in
front of of my son, and so she just kind
of keeps pushing closer. Right, there's no seats out there,
it's just benches. She pushes closer, and she pushes closer,
and then and then she pulls out Bucky. She pulled
out a big dripping crab sandwich and she is leaning

(42:37):
over my son's face, taking selfies, talking to the people
in front of him, just crab sandwich dripping down the
side of her face, and she's literally I know you're
thinking it sounds delicious. It was the most disgusting thing
I've ever watched. It happened in mind. And she's literally

(42:57):
on too. And the kid, you know how, right, like
the knees start to touch each other and the shoulders
they tighten up, and you're you have no I'm like, lady,
for the love of God, will you have a little
self awareness? This kid over here has got your breath
and and your conversation literally in his shirt, and he's

(43:19):
trying to watch the game. Can you please just have
a little self awareness? Okay, let's get to Lamar Jackson.
I don't care who you think you're paying homage to,
and I don't buy it anyway. In today's day and age,
when you're in NFL quarterback, I don't know you're you're

(43:43):
you're acting as your own agent. He doesn't have an agent,
which is probably the reason why this deal with the
Ravens isn't done yet. Um, But in today's day and age, especially,
you're about to make whatever it is you're about to
make and you already make but jillions, as it is
to send out on social media the phrase I need
money buy no no, no, no no no no no no

(44:11):
no no, no, no no no. This is this is
straight from leadership books one oh one and leadership books
they tell you clear and direct. I want to be
very clear and direct with you what I need. I
need money, lots of it, and so just letting you

(44:35):
know before we get a training camp, we have a
clear understanding of where I stand. I need money and
a lot of it, and don't come to me with
anything that. Look, we start at what Deshaun Watson got.
We're starting the negotiation there. Two forty million, fully guaranteed.

(44:56):
That is where we start. So if you're coming up
under that thinking I'm gonna give you a hometown discount,
I'm letting you know I need money. I want the bag,
and I want the big bag. Because here's the other thing.
So if Lamar Jackson plays this year on the fifth
year option, I think next year the franchise tag for

(45:19):
quarterback might be forty three. Okay, you know what it
is the year after that fifty four. I'm not a mathematician.
But that's a lot of yellow cake. So when we
start the negotiation there like just look, just just just
split the baby. Split the baby right there, Mark, Well,

(45:40):
that is what we're talking about. So I'm not worried
about all this other stuff, which is why I'm not
rushing in to come sign you a little contract, because
this is what we know. We know that the quarterback
always gets paid. The money always goes up, it never
goes down. And before you hit me with what his
style of play and injury and what if he gets hurt,
you can throw all that out to win done now

(46:00):
because we saw Dak Prescott deal with that, and what
did Dak Prescott get god money? So let's make it easy.
Just write me a check for three d meal fully guaranteed.
I'll show up happy and do exactly what you want
me to do. But that's where we're at. Everything you
said is right except for one thing. What but you

(46:24):
said that he was clear and direct. The word direct
not involved going to social media and talking to everybody else.
That is that is by definition indirect. Direct would be
go ahead and say that directly to my face, and

(46:45):
maybe he has. And that's as clear and as direct
as you need to be fucky. My my problem is
not anything that you said. It has nothing to do
with what Lamar's worth and what Lamar is gonna get.
Your right, the quarterback always wins, always well, and you're
gonna get it. But here's what I the fan, don't want.

(47:09):
I don't want you throwing that around in my face
as you cut, because it is it makes you, It
makes you, It makes you uncomfortable because I'm telling you
that I want money. Yes, okay, so absolutely can I
can I put on my my arrogant play your hat. Yeah,
go ahead. You ain't me. I don't want to be

(47:31):
top ten quarterbacks in the game. I'm looking around at
all these dudes getting cash. These dudes don't have the
accolades that I have. No, no, no no, no, no, no
no no. I'm telling the football world, no, I want money.
You're the best at what you do. You're the best,
You're the best host and anchor of a radio show.
You won't cash. You want to let the world know.

(47:53):
Hey man, look man, a man y'all out there that
can do what I do. So I'm n you know,
that's a conversation. That's a conversation for my agent. And
that's a conversation I am. I am my own agent. Okay,
then that's a conversation you need to have with the
people who are putting paper in front of you. This
is not a conversation to have with your fans who

(48:14):
are laying bricks and driving Uber cars and and and
driving FedEx trucks. It's it's not happens if the world
changed two years ago, bucking it? Did you know it?
It changed? And I saw this from Warren Buffy. You
know what Warren Buffer said, when you invest in yourself,
there's always people that will pay for your skills. So
if you're the best Uber driver out there, they will

(48:36):
pay a premium for that. If you're the best carpet layer,
brick layer, whatever it is that you're chosen field is
people will pay a premium if you are elite at
what you do. And so what Lamar Jackson is saying,
I'm looking around at the people that have just gotten paid.
I'm looking around at Josh Allen eight. Josh Allen is

(48:57):
a great player. But you know what, Josh who has
he ever been recognized as the best player in the
league ever? Has he has he ever done? Has he
ever been said, you're the m v P. You're the
best player in this league that we're playing. If I'm
the Ravens, I'm not paying for the past. That's how
teams get in trouble. I'm not paying for the past.

(49:18):
You gonna have to pay. You have the baby were
you're paying for? You paying for the future? What what
know you have to understanding? Say this is a contract
for the future. That's exactly what is past performance. He's
gonna get the number and we all know this. But
as a quick aside, you don't believe that Lamar Jackson
is a better player than Josh Allen? Do you? I

(49:40):
absolutely do? Oh boy, absolutely do because because yeah, because
here's what we're doing. We're taking. Pick Lamar over Josh.
We're taking We're taking We're taking total career, full body
of work. Right, So what do you want me to Yes,
I would, you would pick Lamar Jackson over Josh. I
want a m VP. I want to guy has been

(50:02):
m VP cool. I'm glad that I want I want
a guy was was what I think. Lamar's record is
thirty seven and twelve something like that. Starter. I like winners.
Josh Allen not a winner. I mean he is a winner,
but he has been a m v P. No, he hasn't,
and those first couple of years were kind of shaking
when it comes to completion rate. Right, he's been deep

(50:24):
in the playoffs. Mhm, I mean no, he has. He
has been deep in the playoff But you won't you
want to you want me to pay Baker Mayfield because
Baker Mayfield want to playoff game two. He didn't go
deep in the playoffs. He didn't. He didn't just last
year play one of the most epic quarterback playoffs. They
wind they win? They did? On offense? Did they win?

(50:46):
Because because in a segment earlier, when I told you
about Kevin Durant and then getting swept and you were like, hey,
are you giving credit for clothes? No, Clay, Look, it's
very clear and direct, right, either a winner or a loser,
either one or you lost. Did they win? It didn't
sound I mean you're the one who was. I mean,
in that very conversation you were arguing, well, they were closed,
but then you convinced me. But you convinced me. You

(51:08):
convinced me that I need to take that. Yeah, you
convince me that. You convince me though you made it
very direct, and I was like, you know what. During
our break, I went to the waterfront, I said, you
know what, Mark Willard is right. Look, there's a winner
and steak is the steak or Beanie wheenies, and so

(51:29):
that's that's all it is. Okay, Yeah, so we got
the Beani Wheenies at the end of the channel. My
issue is none of the stuff that you're bringing up, though,
like you're you're right. I get that. He repeat that,
what did you say? You're right? Okay? God about those parts.
My issue is and here I'll give you an example.

(51:50):
M being in leadership roles on radio shows. Here's one
thing I talked to producers about, I talked to co
host about because I've been with people in the past,
asked who fall into this trap because all of our
jobs are jobs, no matter if their dream jobs are not.
But I I always I go, look, you understand now,

(52:10):
we're in a job where our customers, many of them,
would kill to trade places with us, and no matter
how hard we work. And for instance, right that, like
we're sitting here on Sunday, this will be the seventh day,
you know what I mean this week where I'm working right,
So I'm working seven days a week, and I know

(52:30):
the prep that goes into this, and I know how
you can't turn your I know all that stuff. But
to the listener, what do we do? We show up
for three or four hours a day. Blah blah blah,
heaven durant, that's fine, laugh, go home. That's what it
sounds like to the customer. Therefore, there are no bad days.

(52:53):
You cannot come in here and complain about life and
complain about the boss. Even though our business has got
a bunch of bad ones. We don't hear a fox
but right, like, we got a bunch of bad ones.
But you can't come in here on the air and
sound annoyed because the person who's listening to you is

(53:16):
making fifteen bucks an hour trying to get by and
thinks that you are living in a playground. That's what
Lamar Jackson did with the social media post. He told
a bunch of people who have a way worse life
than him. You know what we need next in this world?
We need more attention to me. We need more me

(53:39):
because I'm only making seven figures and I need nine,
So we need me to be the focus of these
of these next few months, Bucky not wrong, but bad.
Look self aware. Come on, hey, come on, do you
take it public? You don't take it well. I'm not

(54:00):
Lamar Jackson. I'm different. I'm not. I'm not like this
young generation that grew up living their life out in
public on social media. Twitter wasn't around when I was
coming up. No Facebook, no Instagram, Snapchat, whatever it is.
TikTok wasn't doing and stuff like my Space was later
for me later later. I had a nice MySpace face though,

(54:23):
But Tequila, I was not. That was sean everybody everybody anyway.
But but so it's different. This is what these guys do, like,
they live it out in front of everybody, and so
I am not surprised to kind of see this go
and now, look, man, it's a little bit of a

(54:44):
Jetimne tree when you put those subliminals up there and
then you react like, what what do you? What did
I do? Like, I didn't, I didn't say anything. I
get that it's a little annoying, but what else are
we gonna do? This is the time of the year
to do that stuff. It's a couple of weeks before
training camp, we saw Dame Lillard. I think Dame literally
at the early part of this week talking about he

(55:05):
couldn't get in contact with ownership for the Blazers, and
I don't know and this and that, and how did
the week end up for Dame Liar Dame Lewis and
the two year contrary. Oh yeah, so hey man, So
sometimes you know, what is it, the squeaky will gets
the grease? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I just I just would

(55:26):
have done my squeaking in a different spot. That's really all.
That's really all I'm getting at. And and it's fascinating
that you brought up Dak Prescott because I think he
and Kyler Murray and Derek Carr and Kirk Cousins and
and potentially the mar Jackson two are all relevant in
this conversation with regard to how teams should handle the

(55:49):
quarterback contract. We'll get to that coming up next with
Bucky Brooks Mark Willard. It's Fox Sports Radio. You know,
a lot of analytics is putting people in their best
position to succeed. That's kind of the basic idea. I'm
excited for what we're gonna get into right here, because
I think that this is your bread and butter man um.

(56:09):
You know, how you know how you started the show
yesterday by giving me a a warrior apology, A little
props if you will. I I refer too often. I
want you to know this because you don't always hear it.
I refer to often the conversation that you and I

(56:29):
had years ago about Kyler Murray. And he was a
prospect who had already been paid about five million dollars
to go be a picture with the Oakland A's organization,
and there were rumors that maybe he would play football instead,
and you and I did a show together and I
was like, come on, man, like the experts think this

(56:51):
guy may be lucky to get into the third round.
And you you put your flag in the ground and
you are like, man, I'm telling you the top of
the totem pole is quarterback. And I'm like, well, yeah,
at the top of the totem post quarterback if you can,
you know, be a starter and be good. But this

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guy is like what five ten or something? Like what's
he doing running around? And the like, no, the stock
can get better like this guy. Know that a little
bit about this guy in his background, And it's also
about what you love, and you thought he loved football,
a little bit more than he loved baseball and just
let this thing play out. And then whatever it was

(57:33):
five months later is the number one overall picking the draft.
And I was like, I need a piece of pie
um I needed and with humble written all over it.
So I give you that. And now I'm excited to
talk to you about it now because we're all talking
about Lamar Jackson. He's his own agent, he's eating out.

(57:56):
I need money. The Kyler thing has gotten kind of
quiet in terms of where his career is all gonna go.
And he does feel to me like one of these guys,
like a Derek Carr, like a Dak Prescott. What do
you do if you're a team And I think I

(58:16):
know the answer, but I but there's a further discussion
to have about it. What do you do if your
team that goes Okay, Well, we've got a quarterback. He's
definitely got the look of a franchise quarterback. And he's good.
He's not great. He's not the best. I don't think

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he's ever gonna win a super Bowl, or at least
not be the guy who leads us there. He's clearly
not Mahomes. He's not Brady. He's not Rogers, He's not
in that level. But we don't want to be the
Bears and be stuck looking for a quarterback for thirty years.
So let's go ahead and give him up a jo

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million dollars and just play B level football for a decade.
What do you do? You don't do it, You don't
do it. You can't do it. You do it? No,
you can't do it. Not. I think. I think. I
think the tide is. I think the tides shifting. Nothink

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the tides shift, and I think that I think Baker
Mayfield stuff is kind of part of the chance because
here's what happened last year in the playoffs. Last year
in the playoffs you finally had to come to grips
with if you don't have a dude, you have no chance.
If you don't have an A level quarterback, you have
no chance. Particularly when you look at the a f C. Man,

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the young dudes in the a f C. They are
real Pat Mahomes, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, justin Herbert Joe Burrow. Um,
I mean, you can go on and on. You got
Russell Wilson in it, and the A Conference you have
a young emerging Mac Jones. When you're looking around and
I'm sure I'm leaving somebody out from there. You got

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Maddie Ice in that conference. Now, well that that that
a f C west On paper is set up right now,
I mean the most unbelievable quarterback divisions in the history
of the game, right so, so so now when you're
thinking about it, you have to look at your quarterback
in comparison to those guys because those are the guys

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that you're gonna have to knock off to win. Right So,
when you're building your team, the number one thing that
you want to do is one Marv Luke. Marv Leav
used to say this in Buffalo Hall of Fame coach
they went to four stracon would they lost them all?
But they went to fourth straight. So he used to
talk about the number one thing that you have to
do is you gotta build your team to win a division,
because you gotta win a division. Win a division and

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guarantees you a ticket to the postseason dance. Okay, so
when you're looking around as you're building your team to
be a Super Bowl champion, you have to look and
look at the league and say, what are the key
components that we need to have to be the best
team in the league. Well, the number one thing is
you gotta have a quarterback. You have a quarterback. You
have to have a quarterback that can erase the mistakes
to give you a chance in every game to win it.

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And if you have an average quarterback or someone that
you like but don't love, you gotta move on. Because
what happens is when you pay the money, When you
pay the big money that those guys are getting, particularly
when it went over forty million dollars, it changes the
level of expectation. Now, if I told you, because we've
talked about the nine, if we talked about the Niners yesterday,

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if I told you that the Niners were paying Jimmy
Garoppolo ten million dollars, would you be so quick to
want to jettison him? If you're the forty Niners, Yeah,
I mean probably not. But but but Jimmy at thirty
to thirty five million, then you're like, I need a
little more because the compensation has to equate to the

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production and the performance. And that is where you're getting
these teams that are saying I don't know, which is
why Baker Mayfield is out. It's not that the brown
is necessarily Haiti Baker Mayfield. And despite the reports about
childish and immature, the thing came, well, we have to
pay him nineteen many but Baker is going to want
forty five million dollars if we tried Baker Mayfield out there,

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And not only this division with Joe Burrow and Lamar
and those guys, but the rest of the a f C.
Where does Baker Mayfield stack in the a f C. Well,
isn't it also opportunistic? And we can have obviously, And
I've had a completely separate conversation about the merits of
Deshaun Watson and that the whole situation. But if DeShawn

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never becomes available, don't you think the Browns do it?
I don't think so. You don't think they keep Baker
over whatever is behind? I think too. I think they
were gonna string it along just like they had because
they had him on the fifth year option. Normally, what
you want to do, you would rather overpay early, didn't
have to really pay the bill late. Okay, Like you

(01:03:01):
saw what I mean, look at what the Buffalo Bills
did with Josh Man oh Man. Get whatever you want early,
so at first the sticker shop was like, oh, my god,
they pay him forty two million dollars. My gosh, Now
that's gonna look like a deal. Later Patrick Mahomes, Oh
we're gonna give him my half a billion dollars. What
in the world, man looks like peanuts now. And so normally,

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if you feel strongly about your quarterback like that man,
you just come to the table, all right, what what,
what do you want? And that's how it gets down.
They didn't have the intentions of doing it, which is
why the new thing will be, Hey, let's just string
it along. Let's see how long we can go. If
it gets to the point where's the kirk Cousins Thain
will just let him go. We'll pay him on a
year by year basis, as opposed to really lock in

(01:03:44):
and really hitch the wagon to the quarterback. I think
that's what you're seeing more people do. If he can't,
if he doesn't show that he is then elite level
dude like and I mean, we have to keep the
standard high because before I feel like we kind of
and some of this was in draft analysis, how the
quarterback is always pushed up, which led us to make
a bunch of mistakes. You have to feel like when

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you're looking at the quarterback and you close your eyes
and you think about your team's favorite quarterback. Is that
quarterback capable of going to Kansas City and having a
duel with Patrick Mahomes and being good enough to take
it to the end because of your quarterback is not that?
Then you gotta move on because that's the standard. The
standard has to be that new m Well, and there's

(01:04:26):
obviously only about at any given time, there's like three
or four of those people on the entire planet. So okay,
we're not done with this. Much more to say on this,
but let's get I low in here with the latest
what's trending? Isaac Lowan Krown, my man, we're calling it
Vegan Bowl one. I think the way this should end

(01:04:50):
is that both of them should faint in the fourth,
like just we ran out of energy and they're both
just laying on the grounds. Well, they are playing at
a surprisingly brisk pace. They're already in the third set
after an hour and twenty three minutes. As Novak Djokovic
and Nick Kuryas meet with the Wimbledon championship at Steak,

(01:05:13):
it's been to see what I did there. It's been
an intense, intense but respectful match so far. As the
two finalists do not appear to have any beef with
one another, I'll see myself out anyway. Curios took the
first set six for Here's how the second set edited
a short time ago. Djokovich with a set point to

(01:05:33):
level the final back conrads on inc limit game on fels.
Come on from Djokovich, We've leveled up hit in the
final after an hour and send it's one set of
pace assualty. Nick Lester with the call on Wimbledon Radio.

(01:05:53):
Right now, they are tied at one game a piece
in the third set and tied in the match one
set apiece. In Major League h Ball on Saturday night,
the Seattle Mariners defeat at the Toronto Blue Jays two
to one. The Mariners on a seven game winning streak.
They won fifteen of eighteen, their best eighteen game stretch
in nineteen years. The Dodgers made it six and a
ow with a four to victory over the Cubs. Clayton

(01:06:14):
Kershaw struck out ten and seven and two thirds sittings
with no walks for the victory. San Francisco's Carlos Road
on a complete game three hitter in their three one
victory at San Diego at the Red Sox with three
in the bottom of the tent thinning to beat the
Yankees six to five. Mark and Bucky back to you. Okay,
very very good and yeah that's that. When will then

(01:06:37):
Men's Final is moving along very very quickly. Uh, personalities,
big names, just no meat. Um, So we'll keep you
up to date there, I will keep you up to
date there. So here's another thing I was thinking about though,
and actually one of the owners of the Warriors was
talking about this, I think on on Collins podcast just

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a couple of weeks ago, about how these sports teams
they need to always keep in mind that winning is, yes,
the number one goal. However, they are also entertainment entities.
And while we as fans don't really want to talk
about that because it feels like we're looking behind the curtain,

(01:07:21):
it's true. So therefore it's one thing to be bad,
I think it's worse to be boring. And to go
back to the Bears analogy, and we'll see where Justin
Fields goes. This isn't a shot at him, but the
Bears for a number of years now. I would contend
have been a boring football team because they have never

(01:07:43):
offered their fan base a quarterback who can really go
out there and sling it. We can have a J
Cutler conversation whatever he had his moments, but like, there's
never been a quarterback where you're like, okay, really like
I like watching this guy play. He can who knows
he can put up a forty two point game on
any given moment. He may not be the best, but

(01:08:05):
that's kind of who we're talking about with Derek Carr
and Kirk Cousins and DK Prescott and Kyler Murray. So
isn't that better? Like you're saying, don't pay those guys,
But isn't it better to have one of those guys
and maybe just challenge to sneak into the playoffs maybe not,
but be competitive and be entertaining. As opposed to always

(01:08:28):
being on the search, No, I think I think you
have to always be on the search. I think you
always on the search for the franchise quarterback. I think
that's one of the things like to think about, Let's
go Bay Area, Let's go San Francisco, forty Niners, let's
go San Francisco. Forty Niners have Joe Montana, but that
didn't stop them from going and getting Steve Young. The
quarterback is so important that you're always looking for the

(01:08:51):
next one. You're always looking for the bridge that allows
you to never have the I guess the the regression,
the all back. The Green Bay Packers have been a
title contender for the last thirty years because they've had
two Hall of Fame quarterbacks in place. Um when I

(01:09:11):
was there playing in the mid nineties, Ron Wolf, the
Hall of Fame executive, was like every other year, man,
you should draft a quarterback just to see just even
get them. That they're so valuable. I mean, they're worth
their weight in gold. Even if you have one, you
develop when you show them, then you trade them off
and you get more stuff back. But you want to
be in the business. People gave how He Roseman a

(01:09:32):
tough time when he said this. Right when they took
Jenalen Hurts and he talked about wanting to have a
quarterback factory, and it was like, oh my god, you
got carcon Wins, how can you do that? But what
he said in theory in the team building process is
absolutely correct, always look for the quarterback and don't let
um having one prevents you from getting another one. And

(01:09:55):
if you don't have one, then you have to continue
to just keep throwing darts at the board until you
get one, because you cannot win at a high level
without it. Yes, it can take like one of those
gene in the bottle moments where you're able to do
it because you have a great defense and everything falls
into place, but more times than nine, you have to
have an A level quarterback to be able to get

(01:10:16):
it done well. I mean, you're bringing up the forty Niners.
This is gonna be a really really interesting sort of
test run into what we're talking about because of all
the teams that have been in that situation where you're like, Okay,
we've got a contract that's coming up, and we have
a B level guy. And in fact, the forty Niners

(01:10:37):
B level guy is the guy that's gotten them to
the championship Game two out of the last three years
in the NFC and and almost won a Super Bowl.
So I think you could pass that by your fans,
maybe even more than some of the other teams. But
the other teams are the ones that are all at
minimum going into franchise contract years or like what the

(01:10:58):
Cowboys did and the Raiders did, let's go ahead and
sign up for new contracts. The forty Niners, in the
midst of a playoff run, moved heaven and Earth to
go get someone else, right, And so they they are
the ones who are doing the opposite of of the
rest of the league. They are the ones doing what

(01:11:20):
you're suggesting, which is, we've got a guy and we
like him, but we don't love him, so let's go
for love and as dangerous because the other thing. You
know this, Bucky, if you do that and you're wrong,
that's how you get fired as a coach a little bit.

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But it depends on how you do it right. So
everyone is pushing the jim and g We we had
this conversation, right, Everyone's pushing the thing where they gotta
move Jimmy Garoppolo like what you would like to do.
It is the best contract that you can have is
a quarterback playing on a rookie deal because it allows
you to build up everything else. But even in theory,
when you look at what the same Cisco forty nine
is are doing, I think thirty three million dollars is

(01:12:02):
committed to the quarterback room. Remember we just had conversations
that Josh Allen and all these other guys are making
forty million by themselves. So in theory, the forty nine
is can carry these two quarterbacks and make a determination.
Hey man, it's Tray Lancetic guy. Is he not the guy?
If he's not the guy, you know what you can do. Mark,
Just keep holding Jimmy Garoppolo and no, like no, just

(01:12:25):
hold on to him and go right back in the
draft and draft another one. Like the stigma that we
used to have with these quarterbacks. Man, it's gone. Look,
let's just think about the Carolina Panthers situation. Right Baker
Mayfield three or four years in, gone, Sam Donald at
the third year, gone, Josh Rosen in that same class, gone,
gone gone after a year. We are seeing if you're

(01:12:50):
shrewd and if you're able to take the emotional component
out of it, where I'm having to acknowledge to the
football world that man, I missed on the quarterback. But
if you can determine early, hey man, he ain't it.
He's not it. He's not what we need. Let's go
get another one. You do it, because it's not as
cost prohibitive as it was back in then when you

(01:13:11):
were paying the quarterback the draft to a hundred million dollars,
you miss on that it sets the franchise back. Now
it costs you twenty million dollars. Now, I look, I'm
not saying that you you don't want to um, you
want to get it right, you don't want to waste
the owner's money. But that's a smaller sum for the
most important position in the game then what it was.

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I think you have to just keep doing it. And
so look, man, if trade Lands doesn't look like that
next year from hey man, you know what, Hey, we missed,
gotta go right back in. So did the Cowboys do
it wrong? Because dud we we agree? Do we not agree?
That is one of those guys. I think that's different.
I think that different. I think he's now did yeah,

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I do? And that I would Look, I was, I
was here and we might not have been working together
for a minute, but I was carrying the flag. I
was carrying the flag back in the day. Remember, see,
you know what if they listen, you know how much
money they would have saved Because I was talking about
twenty five twenty five million Pam twenty seven. Pam what Jimmy,
Oh no, we gotta earn it, so now you end

(01:14:18):
up having a forty two million. So no, I feel
like and I felt like, look, man, he can put
the offense on his back. Last year injury year, coming
off the injury and those things, but even in the
previous year when the defense was absolutely terrible, he's been
at a high level. Before you get injured, you look

(01:14:39):
at by any measure, by any statistic, how we want
to measure Do you want to measure by team success?
He was when you want to measure by individual success.
The last two years project injury, he was playing at
a high level. So no, I believe he's one of
those guys. It's different to me than the Kirk Cousins situation,
Like Kirk Cousins to me is as averages. The day
is long, Like I don't see a transformation where all

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of a sudden he is going to be something that
he's not shown. Continues in the league like he is
what he is, you know, And the Minnesota Vikings keep
signing up for you so well, And what about the Raiders.
Did the Raiders make a mistake? I know they've got
an out after I think it's three not this year.
They've got an out in two years, but they they

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might be the most classic team that we're talking about.
Like you're sitting here, you're the Raiders, You're relevant, you're solid.
Derek Carr is those things as well. He's relevant, he's solid,
and then you you look at Marv Levy's philosophy when
the division. Oh I'm sorry, Patrick Mahomes, Russell Wilson, and
Jess are sitting here with you that conversation. Okay, but

(01:15:47):
if you if you got a whoa whoa, then okay,
that's coming up next. Mark Willow, Bucky Brooks, Fox Sports Radio. Yeah,
that's right. We're gonna ask you to push it right
now with uh and I'm talking to you, Bucky, Bucky Brooks,
Mark Willard, What okay? What what I What did I say?
What do I say that got you going there? Well,
I mean you were talking about West. We're talking about

(01:16:08):
a f C West quarterbacks, and I noticed real quickly,
You're like, oh, Pat Ma Hoomes, Russell Wilson. I was like, oh,
wait a minute, we're giving Russell that kind of credit
based on the last two years that we've seen Russell
Wilson play. I can't say that. In fact, if you
asked me, I would say that Russell Wilson in that division,
Russell Wilson is fourth in terms of quarterback play. He's

(01:16:30):
after homes, He's after Justin Herbert, he's after Derek Carr. Okay,
but you just a few minutes ago, I wanted to
pay Lamar Jackson but jillions of dollars because of something
he did to three years ago. So like it's just
a nod. I'm not even like disagreeing with you necessarily.
But Russell Russell's got he got what he's got. He's

(01:16:54):
got that in him. I don't know if he's got
it anymore, him having him what he's a super Bowl
champion when he had a great defense and the running
game and all that. He didn't like when those when
those pieces started shedding off, he didn't carry them. He didn't.
But I could look at it the other way too

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and say, Russell Wilson is a really good quarterback if
you protect him, which is true for all of them.
But maybe he doesn't protect himself because he takes fifteen
yard drops and runs into traffic and all that other stuff,
and he's not that that he once was at thirty three.
It's a difference thirty three as a quarterback and just
getting started years. But he can't run around like that anymore.

(01:17:36):
He's not I think he had maybe a hundred and
fifty rushing yards last year. He's not dying. Let's so
let's go down this for a second. You think Seattle
fleece stander? Is that what you're telling me. I'm not
saying they fleeced Denver because if I if I thought
they fleeced him, and that would be going all in like, oh,
Drew loss gonna be whatever. I think. I think it
was a nice mutual parting of the ways. I would

(01:17:58):
say the Seattle might have been growing tired of the
celebrity quarterback and the celebrity quarterback that wanted them two
hey man, the movement was a let Russ cook. What
we saw when when they were letting Russ cook, they
weren't winning games because the team is not constructed to
win in the past first premise, and he is not

(01:18:19):
necessarily a quarterback that is what I call a rhythm quarterback,
meaning there's some quarterback that you look at it is
all ball out balls on time. It comes out. Joe
Burrow is a is a rhythm quarterback is snapped the
throw boom, it's a rhythm to it. Russell doesn't play
like that. Russell kind of beats to the you know,
it goes to the beat of his own drum. And
so it's hard to build an offense with a player

(01:18:42):
that doesn't really play on script like that. And now
he's come back where he's not the same athlete, and
so it's just it's gonna be hard. And I think
this situation, because everyone has talked about like, oh, this
situation got better weapons around them, I don't know. I
think DK meckv and Tyler Lockett are pretty good. Pretty
good happens. Yeah, I don't know if the receivers in
Denver are as good as what he's leaving. I don't

(01:19:04):
know if this offensive line is better than what he
had at Seattle. And when you look at what the
Seattle Seahawks did, they upgraded their offensive line after he left.
I don't know, man, I think this is gonna be
a lot different than people are perceiving the Denver Broncos
to be with Russell coming over. And that's not disrespecting
him as a good player. I just don't know if
he is what everyone is making it out to be

(01:19:26):
in this situation. Well, then we could have that. We
could loop the Broncos into the conversation with the Raiders
and go back to your Marv Levy approach, which is, uh,
do you sign up for those names to try to
win the division when you're not winning that division? You
know you're not You're not beating Patton Justin for the
next seven years, are you know you're not? You're not.

(01:19:50):
You're not gonna be You're not gonna be there. Unless
Brandon stately decides to go for it all the time
like he did last time. It's not happening. Okay, So
more on this coming out. Plus, I had a little
quarterback quiz for you, uh and it's based on one
of the guys we were just discussing that's coming up
next on Fox Sports Radio and it's with Bucky Brooks
Mark Willard. As we rock into our second half here

(01:20:13):
on Fox Sports Sunday, where well Kevin durant Land is
Damian Lillard's loyalty ever going to be rewarded. We're watching
the Wimbledon final tiger Woods with a little practice round
getting ready for the Open Championship as well. Plenty going on,
and we're all over all of it and just what

(01:20:34):
everybody loves to do on Sunday morning. Take a test.
I'm gonna give you a test right now, Bucky Um.
And it's based on the quarterback conversations that we've been having.
And I wonder if you know the answer to this question,
or at least if you could give it a guess.
First two seasons in the history of the NFL, first

(01:20:58):
two seasons, who has the most touchdown passes ever in
his first two seasons? Most touchdown passes ever in his
first two seasons? I have I have no idea. I
have no idea. What if I told you that that person,

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that person, Russell Wilson is tied for fourth with fifty two,
the leader of this The answer to the question is
an active quarterback? Is it Justin Herbert? Is it Herbert?
It is Justin Herbert. It is Justin Herbert sixty nine

(01:21:40):
in his first two seasons, one more than Dan Marino.
And it's fascinating because we're just talking about that a
f C. West and those four quarterbacks, all four of them,
four of them make up the top six, all time
in this question, Justin Herbert is number one, Derek Carr
is number three, Russell Wilson is tied for fourth, and

(01:22:02):
Patrick Mahomes is tied for six um, which is crazy because,
by the way, don't you have to you have to
include the season he didn't even play, right, doesn't that
count anyway? I wonder maybe it's the caveat is starting seasons. Yeah,
but maybe it's first two seasons. But anyway, they're all

(01:22:25):
right there in that a f C West. But the
conversation we were just having, it sounds to me like
you think that this is much more a battle between
Patrick and Justin than it is anything else. No, No, look,
I think I think all those guys um are worthy
being in the conversation. I think a little man, I
think jokers, a wild I think Derek Carr, with Josh

(01:22:47):
McDaniels and the weapons that they have around him, I
think he could take his game up a notch to
a level that we haven't seen. You know, Davante Adams, Hunter, Renfro,
Darren Waller. Uh, you got a running game, Josh Jacobs
that you have to account for. Man, that really opens
up the field for him when it comes to being
able to throw it, because who are you going to

(01:23:09):
double double Davante Adam lead Darren Waller Hunter Renfroe one
on one. They both have shown that they can wear
you out. You can say that both of those guys
need double team, so then you can leave Davante Adam solo. No,
that's a problem I think because of the the supporting cast. Oh.
I think he jumps into that conversation in terms of
being able to vy for what uh it's supremacy in

(01:23:31):
a division. Hm. I just think it's so interesting because
and and maybe this is the the uh perception of
different quarterbacks around the league, but this is to me,
this is it's like the number one thing if I
were an executive of an NFL team, if we can
all agree that the quarterback position is the most important

(01:23:53):
position in all of sports, and you sort of just
put your chip in the circle where we were having
this conversation half hour ago, which is if that you
only have good, you should actually just give it away
and go for great. I mean, I get, you know,
you keep someone if you if it works in the moment.
But the forty Niners being maybe the only team in

(01:24:13):
recent memory that looked at good and said, yeah, no thanks,
let's see if we let's see, let's see if we
can go find great while all the other teams, even
if it's just as you said, to kick the can
down the road, franchise over and over deal that the
Vikings are doing with Kirk Cousins. It's amazing. And this

(01:24:34):
is why when you have standoffs at the quarterback position,
Lamar Jackson's in one right now, and people will say, oh, well,
the team has the leverage. Oh like hell it does.
If there's any position in all of sports that looks
at teams and laughs, it's a quarterback. They can do

(01:24:55):
whatever they want. Look what Deshaun Watson just did. I
mean he doesn't even play. I mean I mean like
so like so then no, like like think about that, right,
So let's think about it. And when you used to
Sean as the example, right, Deshaun Watson didn't play last
season on his own choice. Yeah, I don't like to

(01:25:16):
seem anymore. I don't want to play. You guys are
gonna trade me, all right? Then all the other stuff
pops up around it. Right Still, at the end of that,
with all of that stuff, haven't seen him playing a
year and you got all this hanging overhead. You give
him the biggest guaranteed money, didn't he the quarterback is
sea Like just just think about that. And that's why

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I like ownership and people are mad, and that's why
there's all this other stuff like, yes, the hainous acts
and all the stuff that it is kind of coming out,
like the murkiness and yucky or whatever. But some of
the reaction is about the money two dred and forty
million guaranteed for someone who didn't play and has the

(01:25:58):
stuff hanging overhead, So you know, it means to those
who come after him, who have played and have more
honors and accolades than him, it has changed the game.
So yeah, that's why you get Calamari acting out and
acting like he acted when he scrubbed the social media.
That's why you get Lamar Jackson taking these shots on

(01:26:21):
social media where he's I say he's being direct to everyone.
You say, he's being kind of like passive aggressive when
it comes to letting the team. But yeah, like that's
why they're able to act like that because they've seen
quarterbacks rewarded. Aaron Rodgers is another one. He does all
that other stuff and then they break him off fifty

(01:26:42):
per after all of it. Yeah, he won four m
vps or whatever. But man, do you remember the drama
that we've had to deal with the last two years?
Still gets whatever he wants. He is the kid that
the parents never say no to. I'm talking about the quarterback. Well,
this year has been that probably the best example ever

(01:27:04):
of these teams. Um, all of them are partners because
you look at what one of them does and how
it affects the other. I mean to the point you're making,
how do you think that those teams, the Baltimore Ravens especially,
let's look at them within the division within the same day,
how do you think they reacted inside their hallways when

(01:27:27):
they saw the Deshaun Watson deal go down, knowing what
they had to do with Lamar Jackson, they said, we
should we should have got this done earlier. I wish
we got this done earlier. I wish we had enough. Yeah,
crushed him, killed him, crushed them. Christian Kirk with the Jags,
why do you think every wide receiver is on a

(01:27:47):
different team? Now? Do you Chase Claypool and Deonta Johnson,
those guys talking about being twenty million dollar wide receivers
Deontae Johnson and Chase Claypool. Still you're like, M see
you later. But you know what, someone will give it
to him because Christian Kirk. That's why, I mean, this

(01:28:10):
is so a to b The Jags breakoff eighteen million
a year for Christian Kirk and the wide receivers on
social media all had a little party that we wouldn't
even notice. They all start hitting each other. If you
go back and look at the timeline, all of the snickering,
the I G lives, the messages that went out, they
all knew. They all knew, Oh this changes everything. And

(01:28:31):
within minutes, Tyreek Hill is a dolphin, Marcus Brown is
a cardinal. A J. Brown is an eagle. Deebo Samuel
is at odds. The whole thing went sideways. Davante Adams
a raider. Maybe that's a little bit different, but oh
it's the same. Because he said that it would you

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know what I mean. I know what he said, and
I know that the packers offered a lot as well.
I don't know if he just wanted to be a raider.
I mean that I don't know, that's what he said. Yeah,
but even it lumps into that because all of a
sudden in the off season, there was like a four
week period where we saw receivers getting paid and moving on,

(01:29:15):
and we saw the number escalate to where twenty million
is now what twenty million was kind of the rate
everyone was getting to Michael Thomas, that kind of got
to that, but then we saw, let's get up to
thirty million. Because what we're seeing, and I call it,
it's all about the pas. When it comes to the team,
it's about passers, pass rushers, playmakers, and those playmakers typically

(01:29:39):
are in the past, and then pass protectors. Those are
the guys that are getting paid. And so you're seeing
the money go up. What used to be quarterback money
is now going to those guys in the peak category.
And so the wide receivers have finally made that move
where we're seeing the value. And the thing is Mark,
we're seeing you not only need to have one. It

(01:30:02):
used to be, oh, you gotta have at least number one.
Now you gotta have to you gotta have you gotta
have two guys in the passing game that can get
it done. Whether it was Tyreek killed and Travis Kelsey,
whether it's Chris god winning Mike Evans. You have to
have two guys in the passing game that can make
it happen. And so it's it's interesting, Um I I

(01:30:24):
look at that right now, and in fact, I mean
you'll find a lot of people quick aside on the
Miami Dolphins and the Kansas City Chiefs, like, how do
you think that's going to affect their offense? Because I know,
I feel like we've all gone through Tom Brady training
and so for twenty years we've decided, Oh, receivers are interchangeable.

(01:30:46):
If you've got a great quarterback, you can just yep
here and this and the quarterback and the system will
make it and uh and you'll still be as good. Well,
we're gonna test that theory this year. Is the Chiefs
all fence as dynamic or does to a Tygerbla suddenly
look like a really good quarterback? One of those two
things is gonna happen, is what I believe. I think

(01:31:09):
both of those things are gonna happen. I think here's
what's gonna happen. Let's look at two of first, So
two of steps into a situation where I believe it's
more like Alabama than it was Okay, So when he
was at Alabama and we were talking about Tank for TWA,
the Tank for two apart came because he was so
efficient dealing like he was. He was a Vegas blackjack dealer, right,
just throwing the cards out. His guys are making plays.

(01:31:30):
They're just going up and down the field, and he
looks spectaciclally because he had a spectacular supporting cast enabling
him to play the game the way that he needs
to play it. You never recreated that in Miami. Tyreek Hill,
Jalen Waddle, you have Mike Gasicky, you have a running
game that they're going to utilize. Should take the pressure
off of him. In Kansas City, this would be different,

(01:31:51):
but I think it will be more effective. Right, So,
Tyreek Kill and Travis Kelsey. Tyreek Hill was like the
big play machine, and when he's on the field, what
Pat Mahomes does is he's big play hunting. Well, now
what happens is he now has to play a more
efficient style. I think it now becomes more connected dots,

(01:32:13):
more ball control, passing, more high efficiency when it comes
to completion rate, and I think they become maybe a
little more difficult to defend, not as explosive, but because
the wealth is spread it and now makes it hard
to figure out. Okay, we gotta take Kelsey way, but
who else is going to pop up? Me the guy
for the day. Maybe not as more points, but I

(01:32:35):
think now the quarterback plays better because you've removed the crutch,
you've taken the training wheels off the bike, and you know,
all right, pat Ma Holmes, now you gotta ride the bike.
And so I think for both of these situations it works.
And remember this, and I've said this, um Andy reading
those guys, they may not be as enamored as the
rest of the league was with Tyreek Hill, because remember

(01:32:58):
Tyreek Hill was a fifth round pick. Terry Heel was
a guy who they found and basically made him a
number one when no one thought he was a number
one receiver. Remember his first year he was playing half
running back doing Deebo Samuel stuff returning kicks and they said, oh,
he's gonna be our number one, and everyone's like, whoa wait, wait,
he can't run routes. And so because Andy and those

(01:33:19):
guys have had success with things like we'll find another one,
we'll fiagure it out. That's kind of part of the system. Yeah, okay,
So speaking of Deebo Samuel, you know, we talked earlier
about how the forty Niners bucked the trend a little
bit with the idea of, hey, we've got a good quarterback,
let's let it go and and and seek out great Uh.

(01:33:43):
They bucked the trend this offseason, at least so far.
In another way as well. We'll get to that. Dame
Lillard and the Carolina quarterback situation still ahead as well.
With Bucky Brooks Mark Willard, Fox Sports Radio. Fox Sports

(01:34:03):
Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation.
Catch all of our shows at Fox sports Radio dot
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s R to listen live. That's Bucky Brooks. I'm Mark Willard,
Fox Sports Radio. Glad you are with us. I'm gonna
give them big props if it works out, Bucky, I'm

(01:34:25):
gonna give them big props. It's a big if, but
I think it's gonna work out, and I'm gonna give
them big props because the forty Niners are not bucking
the trend in one way this offseason. They're bucking the
trend in two ways. And maybe I shouldn't say this offseason.
The drafting a Tree Lance was obviously last year, but

(01:34:46):
the transition is this year. So if we've already kind
of gotten to the idea that they're bucking the trend
in that they're the one NFL team that looked at
their their B level quarterback and went, now, we're good,
let's go do something el us. The other way they
bucked the trend is they looked at their Christian Kirk
salivating wide receiver and said, nope, m you're staying. You're staying.

(01:35:15):
We're going to figure this out. You're staying, and you're staying.
And it hasn't been figured out yet. But Deebo Samuel
did show up to O T A S. That's so
that he doesn't get fined. He didn't do any hardcore work.
I get that. But if we all go to social
media to find out what our players think these days,

(01:35:37):
which is where this all started when he scrubbed the
same way Kyler Murray did, He's on social media last week, uh,
going back and forth with Brandon Auk about being the
best wide receiver tandem in the NFL. It feels like
he feels like this is heading in the right direction.
And if it happens that way. Manners deserve some big

(01:36:00):
credit for their play at the poker table. Well, I
mean they're play at the poker table was they understood
the leverage points they had all the leverage. He didn't
have any leverage. Like I've said this, and it's it's
weird that NFL teams haven't necessarily utilized the leverage that
was baked into the new CBA deal. The new CBA
made it very prohibitive for players to hold out, right, Man,

(01:36:23):
if you hold out, you missed like six days of
training camp, like you lose an accredited season, which prevents
you from being able to get the free agency. Not
only that, like the fines are like fift K a day.
I don't know, I mean like it runs up really quickly,
and they made it where you can't forgive the fines.
Well before people will hold out for like a mom
and oh yeah, but we're just way the fines and

(01:36:44):
you good. Nope, all that money has to come out,
and so the players don't have the same level of
leverage that they may have had in the past. And
so when teams hold firm, they can get what they want,
but you have to be willing to be the bad guy,
and some exacts have not been willing to be the
bad guy when it comes to that part of it.

(01:37:06):
And so so yeah, so well then let's go line
by line. I mean, so, why isn't a j Brown
a Titan. I don't think they just wanted to pay
the money. I don't think they wanted to pay the
money for the quarterback. I mean they didn't want to
pay the money for the wide receiver. When the money
escalates and gets up to twenty million dollars, that's significant.

(01:37:28):
I don't think they wanted to get up there and
pay that. And everyone doesn't want to pay the wide
receiver that that kind of money. It's hard for them
to fathom that the court the wide receiver is viewed
Um in that quarterback money situation. That's why I think
for Um some of the other guys like Christian Kurt.
Christian Kurt, the Jaguars want him to envision him having

(01:37:49):
a big role. That's why he got that Markey's Hollywood
Brown getting out of Baltimore. I think the Ravers are like,
we're good without you, you know where Pro Bowl, Like, yeah,
we don't really like to play the way that you
want us to play and you want us to throw
it all over that. Yeah, our quarterback has been and
when we got big guys on the field, tight ends

(01:38:10):
and running backs and all that, we all need a
little wide receiver. So it change, it changes everything. I think.
I am yeah, I am interested, Like I get what
you're saying. And that makes sense because because if you
do look at them, let's go Deebo San Francisco, like,
oh god, this is in the playoffs. It felt like

(01:38:32):
the whole damn thing was based on him. Kind of yeah, right,
but a J. Brown in Tennessee that's a little bit
more of an interesting one if it's all based on
Derrick Henry at its core. But Julio Jones isn't that
dude anymore? And now A J. Brown is gone, You've
already got a quarterback. Because a little bit challenged, it

(01:38:52):
feels like the whole passing game could completely fall apart.
I would navigate for the Tennessee Titans move on from
A J. Brown. I thought he was terrific. But you know,
these decisions are not only management, but ownership has to
be Okay, paying twenty plus million dollars to the wide receiver,
I would say a J Brown to me, is worth
it based on what he's been able to do. But

(01:39:14):
if you don't view him as that, you can change
it can change the scenario. It changes the situation just
a little bit. Yeah, by the way, while we're on Debo,
this is also there's a unique conversation going on here
that I don't think you you hear about a whole
lot in sports where a contract is not just about well, hey,
Christian Kirk got eighteen, Um, you know, here are the

(01:39:35):
numbers I put up last year and and Deebo had
an absolutely epic season. But they're also talking about what's
he gonna do going forward? At least these are the
reports that Debo, who seemed to love the Debo left
Debo right fight Fight Fight offense that San Francisco ran
in the playoffs last year. Now he seems to be saying, well,

(01:40:00):
that's a little bit too much unless you want to
pay me as a running back and a wide receiver.
And I and I get that, but there have been
these reports of like, yeah, it's been a little different,
you know, the reports of Debo not being able to
get the kind of money that he wants or the
role and he doesn't want to necessarily um touch the

(01:40:24):
ball the way that he was touching and be featured
like a running back. So yeah, it's it's problematic, and
it's one of those things where you're the San Francisco
forty nine is you want to utilize them the way
that Um the team needs to be utilized for this
offense to continue to flow UM and it could be challenge.
It can be a challenge for the Niners to kind

(01:40:45):
of figure out how are they going to play without
Debo touching the rock the way that he was touching it.
And I just think it's one of these situations where
we have to continue to um utilize him as the
wing back, as the wires ever on the perimeter, catching
the ball out the backfield, running the ball, being able
to put him on the move, push the ball down

(01:41:06):
to field, and really utilize him as the multifaceted playmaker
that he's been. And if you're Cal Shanahan, one of
the reasons why you're fighting so hard, So one of
the reasons why you're fighting so hard to keep Debo
in the mix is because you've got a young quarterback
that you're potentially playing and Trey Lance, and you want
to make sure that the supporting cast is solid so

(01:41:30):
that your young quarterback can develop. So we'll see if
it continues to be a part of a trend. And
while we're talking about trending, let's go to Alos. He
was trending right now. Uh, fellas were about to give
you a Wimbledon update, but it's unlike a Wimbledon update
that I think you have ever heard before. So we

(01:41:51):
will start with the match, meaning that this particular update
doesn't necessarily have to do with the match. It's the
Gentleman singles final between Novak Djokovic and Nick Curios. They
split the first two sets, and here's how the third
set came to an end. Second set, to the back
hand up the line is wide for terriosnov Djokovich is

(01:42:13):
one sets away from winning a fourth successive Wimbledon cycle.
Nick Kurrios has got some big problems to I've account.
So Djokovic leads Curios two sets to one right now,
they are tied at two games of piece in the
fourth set. That call courtesy of Wimbledon Radio and Nick

(01:42:35):
Lester Now. As part of the BBC's coverage of the
Wimbledon Final, they were able to capture some rather amusing audio.
Nick Curios was upset because there was a fan that
was bothering him, and we have audio of him complaining

(01:42:58):
about this fan to the chair umpire. So listen very
closely among the phrases to listen for Curios telling the
chair umpire quote, she's drunk out of her mind and
talking to me in the middle of a game. She's
the one who looks like she's had seven hundred drinks. Bro.
Listen to Nick Kurios and Wimbledon moments ago. There's not

(01:43:23):
a big raccation, you believe. Again, it's really close to
the games because she took out of the Nord fits
he's fitting to the middle of the game, looks acceptable. Said,
I don't know what's timmy one of seven hundred drinks. Brother,

(01:43:47):
she's the one who looks like she's had about seven
hundred drinks. Bro, who said that tennis was stuffy and
boring Nick Curios, that's funny. I mean, that's funny. I
mean it is great. Like we've seen this increasingly in
sports man fans have kind of injected themselves into the game,

(01:44:10):
and sometimes it's the behavior that we don't necessarily want
to see Oh my gosh. During NBA season, it was
courtside Karen with Lebron James. Remember this past NBA season
in Atlanta. Now we have we have Wimbledon, Karen, I guess,
so that's what's going on. Novak Djokovic is one set
away from what it goes fourth straight Wimbledon. Today's Major

(01:44:31):
League Baseball action gets underway at the top of the
hour as the Baltimore Orioles host the Los Angeles Angels.
Who knew tennis could be so exciting? Back to you,
Mark and Bucky, Well, I'll keep your mind going, man,
because this is funny, because I do wonder because you
work closely with the Charges and we have seen UH
fans become a bigger part of the game, and it's

(01:44:53):
not it's not always for the betterment of the game.
Like what's your opinion like on heckling in those things?
I can see Quick Lee at the high school. I
go to the high school up here. I've had to
reprimand one of my players for going to the basketball
team's games and being kind of like that obnoxious fan
to the point where the referee threw him out of

(01:45:15):
the game. Wow, Well, good for you for doing that though, Like, so,
how do you feel about that? Do you think fans
should come and be a part of the action. Should
they be hecklers? You know what? To be honest, this
is nothing new. I can remember back when I was
growing up watching sports, covering and being at my own

(01:45:38):
high school games. This happened just the same way back then,
and it was just as bad frankly as it was
back then as it is now. But there's one difference
that makes it seem like it's a lot more widespread
social media. As they say in one of our promos here.

(01:45:59):
So look, this has happened since the dawn of time
in sports. I mean there was a famous instance back
in the forties where at old Ebbotsfield in Brooklyn a
fan ran onto the field and started pummeling the home
plate umpire in the Brooklyn Dodger game. Uh. The one
thing that we don't really have anymore, sometimes it's done,

(01:46:21):
especially in Great Britain. Back in the seventies there was
a whole streaking fad at sporting events. So as long
as you have alcohol mixed with fans and fan is
short for fanatic, you're going to have these instances. The
only difference is. I think it's the same amount as
it always has been. I just think it's magnified by

(01:46:43):
social media. And it's so interesting. You should bring this up, Bucky,
and and you would know because because you go to
a lot of Dodger games. But literally last night I
did a Twitter search for Dodger padre fan fight videos.
Don't ask me why, but I got a one a
results because every time there's a fight, you know, look,

(01:47:05):
I don't condone it, but you know, liquored up fans
spotting each other. But the other thing is when that happens,
none of the surrounding idiot excuse me, fans, none of
the surrounding fans try and be peacemakers and break it up.
What do they do? They whip out their phones and
start recording against Yeah, it's it's it's a funny thing. Um,
you talk about those fans and fans fighting. I haven't

(01:47:28):
spent years with the Raiders. Uh in the coliseum's Yeah,
fans are ware of the opposing team's jersey into the building.
We have a tough time, have tough time getting out
of black hole if you're not representing Deserver in black
It's one of those things I'm I am all about
like fans being a part of it. Like you want
to create a home field advantage, right, you want your

(01:47:49):
fans to be boisterous and loud. You wanted to be
very difficult on the opponent. But you also there's like
this fine line, right, and there's this fine line and
heckling where you don't want to did necessarily become personal.
And what I mean personal is like the direct attacks
on family, uh significant others, kids and those things happened yea, yeah,

(01:48:09):
which which has happened. Now, if it's if it's about
you and your game, it is fair game. You can
go in as much as you want, and players have
to understand what it is. Right, they're trying to go
you into those situations. They're trying to elicit a response,
and you've got to make sure that you don't eat
the cheese, as they say, don't fall for the bait.
But it's it's part of the landscape, is part of

(01:48:30):
the game, is part of the competition. Look, don't get
me wrong, uh fans listening coast to coast, I don't
condone this. I don't condone it at all. But if
you're going to a raider game as a fan of
a visiting team, and you show up in the garb
of said visiting team to a raider game. That's like

(01:48:52):
me dousting myself in steak sauce and walking into a
lion's cage steak sauce. Now that that that that wouldn't
necessarily work. That wouldn't necessarily work. But I know one
guy who would love to enjoy a steak in a
little stakes. So my guy willed you back? What's going on? Man?
What's happening? Listen? I'm back. All I know is that

(01:49:15):
we got this vegan conversation going early and Isaac has
not recovered. Everything is about beef, it's steaks, af it's
I mean, it's eight thirty in the morning at least
where we are, and uh, and we we we haven't
been able to move on from this and and I'm
not sure that I'm I think I love it. Actually

(01:49:36):
I think it's fine. So so here's the thing that
you might have missed. Um At Wimbledon's there was a
bit of a break in the action. Joon Fix had
to go inside and kind of, you know, take care
of your stuff. And I wonder if the veh like
I want if the rough it's caught up with him.
I wonder if you're in the middle, that the beginning
of the force, and you like, oh, you know that

(01:49:56):
feeling that you getting. Oh, the salad, you know, the salad,
the Brussels sprouts, the asparagus. Maybe I had a little
too much green. And look he was out six plus
minutes before he comes to the court. This is what
happens to most Americans after they have their first cup

(01:50:17):
of coffee in the morning. Right, like, as Warren g
One said, you got to regulate, you know, you got
you got to regulate on that. And so listen, you know,
when when the call comes, to call comes, the call comes,
the call comes, and particularly you know the veggies, the veggies,

(01:50:37):
Hey hey, hey, yeah, asparagus. Asparagus might be the worst one. Uh,
it might be the worst one. And I see them
back out on the court. Now though, where everything's going right,
Joker is potentially a couple of games away from the championship.
It appears, Yeah, he's about to win his twenty second uh,

(01:50:57):
which is kind of crazy. In this fourth consecut of
one at Wilmington, and you just think about, like all
time great, what he's been able to do naturally. We
thought we were going to get a chance of seeing
with Raffie Raffael Nadal. It didn't work out. Nadal had
to uh step away from the match and so he
had to walk over. But he's a great man, the guy.
He's a great player. He's a great he's a great

(01:51:17):
He's just a great player. He just finds a way
to get it done. Weekend, we can let's not. Let's
not flush carryoffs out as yet. They're in the fourth set.
I know, I like like, I like you like. He
slipped and it was nice. Yeah, let's not send him
out with the bath water just yet. It's not done yet.

(01:51:39):
Uh there's three three in the fourth set and he's
serving actually to go up for three. So uh, he's
got I mean, you gotta love this guy. I wonder
do you love him? Because if anybody brings a football
mentality to the tennis court, it's this guy. He's screaming
at himself more than I mean, more than he's screaming
in anybody else. He's like, he's like mc and row,

(01:52:01):
except he's yelling at himself instead of the humps. Oh yeah,
he's going crazy. He's trying to get the lady kicked
out because she was heckling him. Yeah, he does not
look It's not the first time. He does not mince
his words. He is not afraid. Uh yeah, So I
like seeing the emotion, uh that is out there. That's
part of what we like seeing playoffs and championship and
high stakes matches is to see you guys who are

(01:52:22):
deeply vested in the process of winning. Well, we appreciate
you hanging with us through a couple of technical issues,
but we're back and and so I didn't get to
hear your answer on that Deebo Samuel situation. If we've
ever seen somebody take this argument to a negotiation, please
use me less seems to be what's going on. So

(01:52:45):
let's get into that a little bit more. Coming up,
we got Dame Lillard's loyalty's still sitting out there. And
are there three teams in the NFL who are sending
the message to you right now that they're tanking? Will
tell you who though, are coming up next as we
continue with Bucky Brooks Mark Willard on Fox Sports Radio.
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(01:53:08):
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I'm Mark Willard, Fox Sports Radio. Glad you're with us
here on a Fox Sports Sunday. Dave Lillard at the
top of the hour. Cole Qubellic, who covers college football

(01:53:32):
for the SEC Network and ESPN, is gonna hop in
here in just about a hot hour, and I look
forward to that conversation because all of this conference realignment,
we get that it's a whole new world in college football,
but with USC and U c l A leaving the pactwell,
where does it all go from here? Feels like Wild

(01:53:52):
West showdowns, big time conversations happening behind closed doors. Right now.
Where's it all gonna go? We'll find out from Cole.
But let me ask you this because we've been talking
Bucky about a lot of quarterback stuff today, and while
Garoppolo still sits out there and the Deshaun Watson situation
is not figured out yet, at least not publicly. Uh,

(01:54:16):
may I ask you three teams in the NFL, why
are they doing what they're doing and why are we
not talking about it more? Is the question? Number one?
The Seattle Seahawks. Am I supposed to believe that this
is not a tank job. And I understand that if

(01:54:37):
Garoppolo were the answer, that's complicated because there within the division,
and as you've pointed out, maybe the forty niners have
motives beyond just getting compensation for holding onto Garoppolo. But
Drew Lock, Gino Smith, come on, man, what's what's what's
Seattle trying to do? Here? We're talking about be Carrels

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trying to take back his team after having the celebrity
quarterback for years. He wants to get his team back.
He wants to get back to running the football. When
they ran the football, they played better defense and they
won games. As their defense has lived and as their
commitment to the running game has waned, the losses have come.
And so they believe because they've seen it. Look, man,

(01:55:22):
we just need a quarterback to be solid. We don't
need him to be the primary playmak. We just need
to be solid. We have won super bowls here with
solid quarterback play, not necessarily exceptional quarterback play. And so
they were big fans of Drew Lock in that draft
when he came out. They thought the talent has been untapped.
They are committed to seeing if they can refine the talent,
see if they can make it pop, because if it does,

(01:55:43):
it gives them a second round pick on a cheap deal. Yeah,
he has to be resigned, but he still will come
in but low market rate. It could be a huge
get for the Seattle Seahawks if they're able to win
with Drew Lock team number two. I don't don't know
exactly what is going to happen with Deshaun Watson. I
would be shocked if he's playing at least at any

(01:56:07):
point through the first eight to nine weeks of the season.
And Jacobe Brissette is no slouch. But you have a
roster that is completely prepared to win in a division where, sure,
the Cincinnati Bengals are coming off of a Super Bowl
appearance and they're set, But you've got one quarterback over

(01:56:28):
here putting I need money on Twitter. You got and
you've got the standard bearing team in the division, which
is a complete quarterbacktors transition, and just handed the keys
over to Mr Robinsky. You're telling me that you couldn't
put a better foot forward right now at the quarterback

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position than what the Cleveland Browns are planning to do. Hey,
look man, it's tough. I would I would say this.
I think they went into it to Cleveland. Browns went
into the season with desheant de Sean Watson may miss
four games, maybe six games. Hey, Jacob set can get
us in. There's no different if sim Watson had sprained

(01:57:11):
an ankle. Of those things like short term fix will
be good now if it comes out longer than that. Yeah,
you talking about a roster that is good enough to
compete at the highest level. But if the roster is
that good, they should be able to kind of keep
things afloat while Jacoby Brissett is having to do his deal.
And understand, Jacob er Set has played okay football, I

(01:57:34):
can't say in those previous situations Indianapolis and Miami respectfully,
he's not gonna have the same kind of teams that
he's having at his fingertips right now, and so I
would expect him to be solid. I don't think it
to be spectacular. But if Kevin Stevanski is doing his
deal in training, camping all all the way leading up
to the season, he is telling the team in Urgentina,

(01:57:57):
hey man, we gotta be able to play without number four.
If he's not here, show must go on. Somebody else's
step up and make it right. And so I would
expect to Round Steel play well would you go for set?
Last team? And this one's a little bit different because
they're not expected to do anything great right now. And
I think that they have a young quarterback they really
do like um but unproven for sure UM and a

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division that is sitting there for the taking. Uh, and
that is the Houston Texans. If there's one team we
haven't discussed enough when it comes to a potential landing spot.
If I were them, a potential landing spot for Jimmy Garoppolo.
They don't want to spend a lot of money on this,
but if the money can be figured out, similar the
way it was with Baker Mayfield, you got Nick as

(01:58:43):
Sario running the team. He was involved in drafting Jimmy
with New England um and and and Davis Mills so
unproven and in the division with Jacksonville, a transitioning Indianapolis
and the Titans who just lost their passing game. As
we discussed, why why not flanked Davis Mills with Jimmy Garoppolo?

(01:59:04):
No no, no, no, No, they really believe. They really
believe Davis Mills. The Texans really believe in Davis Mills.
They believe he has the right stuff. Now, he was
a highly touted recruit coming out, goes to Stanford. Injuries
kind of limited his career. I think he don't played
eleven eleven starts at Stanford, but he us to ounce it.
And when you saw him get back in uh the

(01:59:25):
last part of the season, he flashed, He looked good,
and so I believe Love Smith Nick SORRYO, those guys
want to at least give him an opportunity to build upon.
Some of them am him that he's established his rookie season.
You do that, you may have your quarterback for the future.
That'd be a good thing. Okay, all right, let's get
to Dave Lillard next. Uh. Loyalty he has never been

(01:59:49):
his problem, but he's got ninety nine other problems for sure,
and he talked about it yesterday. So we'll get to
that coming up here in uh in a little bit.
Let's talk it out. Yeah, So make sure you stay
with us Fox Sports Sunday. We'll be back after commercial. Yes,
it is in alongside Bucky Brooks, Mark willerd with you

(02:00:09):
as we take you through everything going on from Kevin
Durant to Deshaun Watson to USC and U C. L A,
both apparently now living on the East Coast. Whatever it is,
we are there for it. Cole kupellk E, SPN and
SEC Network on that exact college football realignment is coming

(02:00:30):
up being just about twenty minutes. But Bucky, let me
ask you this right out the gate. What kind of
role has loyalty played in your life? And where has
that brought you? Le Loyalty is everything, lowerty is big man.
You want you want to make sure you have a
symble assemble a crew of rotter do people with you.
You want to pay that back. And so yeah, I

(02:00:51):
believe in loyalty. I mean, couldn't have couldn't agree more.
Like one of the things, I am so so so
excited about something I'm gonna be doing here in a
couple of months. Uh for me, I mean it's actually
based around the fantasy football draft, but it's not really that.
Like I've got a cruel of friends. I'm in my
mid to late forties and I've got a cruel friends

(02:01:12):
from high school and we are still like this and
I'm crossing my two fingers, like we are still that tight, uh,
And we're going to be making We're spread out all
over the country, and we are going to make a
pilgrimage to the great city of Chicago coming up in September,
because we are born and bred Day area sports fans,
and the Giants will be at Wrigley Field and the

(02:01:34):
forty Niners will be at Soldier Field on back to
back days, and we're going to turn that into a
fantasy draft and a reconnection. And I could not be
more excited about it than. One of the reasons is
because that group we are loyal to our soil, like
we are absolutely we we are we are like that,

(02:01:55):
And so I'm with you. That means everything in life.
But does it mean that in sports and business as well?
Now we're talking about something different, aren't we. And we
put athletes in this spot too, where it's like, you know,
Kevin Durant leaves for the Warriors, and we turn him

(02:02:17):
into a sideshow and a joke. But when then someone
does the opposite, which is what for example, Dame Lillard
is doing right now in Portland's why do I get
the feeling like this is heading down the road where
he's gonna get made fun of someday, if not already
for not taking his talents elsewhere. Um, you know, like

(02:02:41):
I think it's it can be different, you know, like
there is something nostalgic about being what I call a
one Jersey dude, because you're you're deeply tied and committed
to the franchise. For me, like Mark got bounced around
five six seasons, five different teams, and what happens is, man,

(02:03:02):
it's hard to like have that love and devotion that
fans have for that one squad, right, And so I
understand Dame Little coming in wants to be with the Trailblazers.
He's done a lot of great things with the Trailblazers.
They've broken him off and paid him very very well.
But then at some point he has to figure out, Okay, man,
the ring thing, Like how important is the ring thing

(02:03:25):
to me? And you want to do it the right way?
You want to build it. We talked about how the
Lakers the superstar model, but you need to have some
home grown pieces with that. Um, after these two years,
we can start thinking about that. After these two years,
after the sixties million around, after that, Yeah, we can
we can talk about that then, But you know what

(02:03:47):
the problem is there, you know exactly what the problem
is there, which is that after these two years, Dame's
not gonna He's not gonna have that power, He's not
gonna have that juice anymore. He's thirty one years old,
two years from now, Like, could he absolutely still be
a piece? Could he be a key piece? Is he's
still gonna be a great player? Yeah? Absolutely? But Dame

(02:04:09):
has always felt like I don't know about you, Bucky.
He feels to me like if he had had some
different surroundings, some different teammates, and this is nothing he gets.
He's had some good ones, good player, but like if
he really had that sauce, Dame is built that way,

(02:04:30):
like he he he could do it. I firmly believe.
Give Dame a three pointer in late June, you know
what I mean, Like he he's got that in his
d N A. But he's not gonna have that in
his DNA when he's thirty five, you know, I I mean,
who does although I mean steps thirty five, but you
know what I'm saying, Like you gotta strike when the

(02:04:52):
while the iron's hot. I I get there. But then
it's that it's that fine line, right, It's a fine
line between making those business decision, is right. I mean,
the money in the cash was so big, the bag
was so big for him, and I can just see
how it be hard hard to let that go. It
would be just hard to let that part of the

(02:05:13):
mix go. And you want to be rewarded for you lords,
and you want to see it through to the end,
and we'll see if it pays. All right, now, it
looks a little bleak, like they're not gonna be able
to get at a championship level and do those things.
But I understand and I respect it. But I also
see your point. Well, I listen, I I understand it.

(02:05:33):
I respect it too. It's I mean, my point isn't
even that I want Dame to go somewhere else. I mean,
I actually think there's a there's a bigger issue at
play here where there isn't a great answer, and there
never was for Dame. And it's just one of those
sort of bad luck things where I don't think the
right answer has presented itself. Uh. Here's Dame yesterday, by

(02:05:55):
the way, after signing the two year extension hundred and
twenty two million dollars and him speaking directly to this
loyalty factor. I feel proud to be that guy because
I don't think that you you earned something like this
just by going out there and scoring a bunch of points.
Something that's missing in our league is the character and

(02:06:16):
the fight and the passion and pride about you know,
the not just the name on the back, but the
name on the front, and how you impact the people
that you come in contact with. All Right, so what
if we looked at this like tears um and I
don't mean, you know, tears that come down your face.
T I e r s like tears. So Tier one

(02:06:37):
would be win championships with your team, stay loyal and
win uh dot dot dot Steph Curry uh. Tier two
would be I'm gonna be pro movement. I'm gonna make
decisions and find good spots, and I'm going to get
paid off by winning uh dot dot dot Lebron James.

(02:07:01):
Tier three would be Dame Lillards, which is I never
got the ring, but I can now sort of, as
he says, be that guy. I can be the guy
that represents the loyalty. That is a tier ahead of
Tier four dot dot dot Charles Barkley. I'm moving around,
I'm looking, I've got teammates. I still never got there.

(02:07:26):
I think, you know, I think what has happened is
because we made the ring so much of everything. When
it comes to legacy, I think guys kind of hear
the white noise and they're compelled to run around and
follow that and chase that. Whereas you know, if you
think about team sports, the thing used to be, hey man,
my neighborhood against your neighborhood. We'll figure it out. We'll

(02:07:47):
just keep getting better and then we get there. We
don't go and switch side and and and do that
other stuff. Um. I think Dame Lillard talking about the
character part of it, that's to me, that's kind of big.
That's that's a huge deal for him to kind of
go on reeck and say, no, you know what the
character part of it is that and by character, some
of me more cutter, But I'm thinking basketball character, How

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are you built? Are you built for that? Are you
built to do the tough stuff? Because we on the
outside have an appreciation for the guys who have to
go through the tough stuff to get on the other
side and become the champion. And so I respect him
for putting that out there because there is something different
about taking the hard road to become a champion. Well,
there's no doubt about that. Now here's the other side,

(02:08:32):
and this is sort of like the underbelly, but no
one wants to talk about in the NBA. It's just
like when you watch the Oscars and there's the best
actor and best actress, but then there's the best supporting
actor and the best supporting actress. The Portland Trailblazers are
a supporting team and that's just the fact. That's who
they are in the NBA now. But best supporting actor

(02:08:54):
can steal the show. You're allowed to come up and
be someone's favorite character in the movie. So yes, the
Portland Trailblazers are allowed to go win an NBA championship.
But the only way to do it when you are
Portland's or Oklahoma City or Minnesota, you're gonna watch Memphis.
Memphis is going through this right now. We'll see if

(02:09:17):
they can get all the way through to the end.
They better do it within the next five years or so,
because then they're gonna go back to being Memphis Toronto Raptors.
Same thing like they made they made good on it
one time, then you go back to being a supporting actor.
The NBA is about the Boston Celtics, the Philadelphia Sixers,

(02:09:39):
the New York Knicks, the Chicago Bulls, the Golden State Warriors,
the Los Angeles Lakers, and that's about it. Maybe the
Houston Rockets, like that's the NBA and and the rest
of the teams are all just here to fill out
the schedule and see if they can and see if

(02:10:01):
they can get lucky in the draft. And if you
get lucky in the draft, then you can get that
player or two players, go on a mini five to
seven year run and then try again. Like you know,
I watched the Warriors here in San Francisco, right up
the road as the Sacramento Kings. They're the greatest example
of this supporting actor. You're just here for the schedule,

(02:10:24):
and every now and again you might get a Chris
Webber in a page and stay ocavit. You can have
a cup of coffee here in the elite area for
a few years, and then you got to go back
to being you. Who has ever signed a huge free
agent deal to join the Portland's Trailblazers or the Sacramento Kings.
No one's forcing their way out of a place to

(02:10:47):
go to these places doesn't happen none. Nobody is forcing
them to go there, and it does make it very difficult.
We can talk about the lottery balls fall in a
particular way, being able to stumped upon a star who
wants to do that. We saw Zion Williamson resigned with
the New Orleans Pelicans and there was a lot of
debate about whether he would stay, does he want to go,
hasn't played, should they pay him? Those things? But I

(02:11:10):
think David Griffin understands, Man, it's hard to get a
star in those markets. Sometimes it's hard to get someone
to come to New Orleans and some of these other
places just on a free agent deal. And so you
hope that you're able to draft and development. You hope
that the ping pong balls come up in your favor
so you can secure one of those stars. And then, man,

(02:11:30):
I don't want say you get him, you treat him
with kid gloves, but you try to nurture that relationship,
particularly if they flash like Zion is flashed. And so
it is a challenge. But that's also why we look
in because the road for the title is different for
every team, and you gotta figure out your own recipe
and once you do it, you gotta fully commit to it. UH.

(02:11:51):
Wimbledon final is a rap and second verse same as
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More on that from Ilo. Coming up on What's trending
in about fifteen minutes. But coming up next Col Kubelik
with the ESPN and the SEC network. Where is this
college football realignment? What conference is going to be born

(02:12:16):
out of this? Where's it all going? We'll get to
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(02:12:37):
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the one that would come to mind when I look

(02:12:57):
at what's going on in college football right now, and
I think to the average fan, they really like there's
a piece of this they understand as we welcome in
Cole Kupelic, ESPN SEC network as well. We get it.
It's about money. Um, it's about kind of taking down
the n C Double A. But there's so much sort

(02:13:18):
of disaster in the wake, so many schools that potentially
could get left behind. So I think the question is
where is it all going from here? So Cole welcome in,
Thanks for hopping on and and UH and being with us.
We're having some technical stuff so I may not sound
as clear as normal, but we'll get through it. Um
kind of like college football. So so when USC and

(02:13:40):
U c l A depart, it means what for the
PAC twelve and then by extension the Big twelve and
the SEC UH for the PAC twelve. That means that
you're on life support, man, and you need a hell Mary,
you need a miracle. Um, you need a you know,
a full a full court shot to be able to
or extend this thing to overtime and try to figure

(02:14:01):
something out or just or get a win somehow somewhere,
um you know, you think about the brand recognition, the
power of the value of programs that are gone the
Los Angeles market, excuse me, which looks like it's gonna
offer the Big ten about an extra dollar per cable
subscriber in the l A area, which most people would say, oh,

(02:14:22):
people don't subscribe to cable anymore. But there's over five
and a half million, and that's a dollar per month
extra that's gonna go to the Big ten. So I
I think if you're the Pac twel right now, you're
in scramble mode. And it's unfortunate for George cleiof Coff,
the guy that I thought came in with some creativity.
I thought bringing in someone in from a different background
could have some advantages. But this is where you need

(02:14:44):
relationships more than any other time. I would imagine if
you're a college commissioner, and they're gonna be tough to
come by. We've seen alliances that have now been thrown
out and guy has been stabbed at the back, and
your handshake agreements have been completely thrown out and and
not adhere to. So if you're the Pack twelve, if
you need anything and everything whether it's an extra TV
deal or scheduling alliance, add extra teams. Uh. For the

(02:15:06):
Big Twelve, I think it just meant that it puts
you further behind the eight ball, and you're you're trying
to play catch up. You're sprinting from the back of
the pack, trying to keep up with the sec in
the big tent, and they just add two more mega brands,
especially when you're talking about USC football and u c
l A Basketball. So I think that you, now, if
it were me, I'd be trying to get into a
room and come up with some sort of a plan
to merge the Pack twelve. The Big Twelve put the

(02:15:28):
better brands that you have together. They're trying to see
if you can just keep up. Because what we don't
know is, first off, the biggest question all college football
is where does it is for me? At least, because
I don't think we're no and I don't think we're
ever gonna get a signature or no one's ever gonna
put a release out to the press and say, Okay,
this is it. We're gonna be here for the next
twenty years. And these are two conferences with three conferences

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and we're done We're not gonna go try to poach
anybody else. And this is our new schedule model, and
this is our new playoff model, and we're just gonna
hang tight. We have no idea when that's gonna be.
Even if we get there, we still might not know
because they're not gonna tell us. Uh So, I think
when you look at from that perspective, you've you've got
to try to find a way to get a seat
at that table, that Apex predator table. And right now

(02:16:11):
we know the Big ten and the SEC have two seats.
If the a CEC were to add Notre Dame, are
they in, do they get a seat at that table?
If they don't, do they get an invitation? And if
Notre Dame leaves it goes to the Big ten, well,
then you know, the other a CEC schools, because of
how that grant of rights reads, are going to potentially
have a way out. And obviously other conferences are gonna
come calling. If the Big Tin Pac twelve Pack twelve,
Big twelve did merge, somehow could they find a seat

(02:16:34):
at that table and be the other league the other
teams that maybe the Big ten, the SEC. And if
the a CEC sticks around that they allow to be
a part of whatever's next. You know, it's funny because
you started touch on. Uh. I'm an A c C guy,
so I'm curious about the I guess the alliance that
they've created in the past with Notre Dame because they

(02:16:55):
took in all the other sports, but football is still
out there. How confident are we that Notre Dame may
eventually fold itself into the a SEC, because it appears
that might be the only way for the a c
C to revive. I agree with you, Bucky, I I
think that I mean, Notre Dame is in a make
or break I guess instance with a lot of different

(02:17:16):
leagues right now. Uh, They're not gonna make or break
the Big Ten, but they make the a c C
if they decided to join in football. And as I
said before, I don't think that they necessarily break the
a c C because they're not a part of it.
But if they were to join another conference, that gives Miami,
North Carolina, Florida State, Clemson, Virginia Tech, Virginia the ability
to go join another conference, and that is gonna be

(02:17:38):
problematic just because of the difference in revenue sharing and
could potentially break the a c C if they stay independent,
and there could be other scheduling models that could help
sort of make the other conferences as well, if the
PAC tell victober to put something together. So I don't
I don't even know what to think of any of
these alliances or scheduling agreements because so many now now

(02:18:00):
been broken, and so many have been agreed upon, and
then somebody's going a different direction. Um. But if they
can get Notre Dame in football, I absolutely think the
a c C has a seat at that Apex Predator
table next to the SEC and next to the Big ten.
And I think that you'd look at their television rights pack,
it's probably take a bit of a bump if they
were to get that on board full time. I think

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the big question there is is any league going to
allow some sort of a flex deal with Notre Dame,
say their home games are still carried on NBC, which
would mean a little bit extra money for Notre Dame,
and then the others are gonna be carried on ESPN,
a CC network, whatever that is. Because I think moving forward, bucket,
you've got to get away from that. I've already heard

(02:18:41):
people making comments about oh, well, Boise would joined the
Pack twelve at a discount, and that would be great.
We've seen how that worked out in the Big Twelve
with Texas. You know, inequal revenue sharing is not going
to be great for long certain sustainability for any conference.
And we saw Memphis try to get into the Big
Twelve a few years ago where fred Smith said, hey,
we don't even need to keeping money for five years,

(02:19:02):
keep it. I'll float the whole thing with FedEx and
the Big Twelve said, no, thank you, They're not gonna
do it. So beginning to play those games I think
is dangerous across the board, and that that would be
my big question. If Notre Dame word to join any conferences,
would a conference allow it? And then how would that
work with the health and sustainability of that conference moving
forward long term? Cole ko Belli is with US ESPN

(02:19:26):
SEC Network on college football and all of the realignment
going on. Cole I get it, we all get it.
Money is more important than tradition. But for a sport
that that really relies on that certain saturdays, certain matchups,
certain things that we do during those specific matchups, all
of that, where where does where does that go uh in.

(02:19:48):
You know, in a world where it feels like the
tradition that we've come to know in college football is
being thrown out with the trash. Unfortunately, I think mar
some of it's gone and that's just it. We're gonna
see the end of it. They're gonna be certain rivalries,
they're gonna be certain games inside certain leagues that that
we're just we're not gonna get them anymore. And you know,

(02:20:11):
I understand that a lot of folks look at Texas
Oklahoma leaving together and then U S C, U C,
l A leaving together. But I also think that there's
a dangerous assumption a lot of people are making about
the future of realignment, just saying, well, well, who's there,
who's their partners, their drafting partner gonna be when they go.
People just assumed that Virginia and Virginia Tech would go somewhere,
or Duke in North Carolina would go somewhere. I'm gonna

(02:20:32):
tell you, I don't think that's real at all. I mean, hell,
Oklahoma and Oklahoma State had it legally written in the
documents inside that state that said that they couldn't be
in different conferences, and they found a way to circumvent that.
This is survival of the fittest. And if you can
get an invitation to join one of those two clubs,
or even if it becomes three with the A c C.
Because of the difference in revenue, you're gone. It doesn't

(02:20:53):
matter what your buddy or the school down the street
of the team that you have a great rivalry with
is going to do. So we're gonna lose a lot
of those. We're to lose some of the regionalization of
the sport that helped make it great. You know, it's
I think you can look at at some parallels between
what happened with Nascar in the last twenty years and
what's happening with college football right now. You know, some
of the regionalization is what brought the major passion year

(02:21:15):
in year out, and is that trickles away and we
lose some of that and there's less of that. I
worry about the help of the sport moving forward. I
know the goal is to grow it nationally and to
operate your own way, because now there are certain leagues
that have the availability to go out and have their
own rules and operate at a different level, and they
don't want to drag everybody else along with them, but

(02:21:35):
some of that's gonna be gone, and I fear for that.
I fear that, you know. I had a long conversation
with Ryan McGee at ESPN, who covers college football in NASCAR,
because he wrote an article about some of those parallels
a couple of years ago, and his quote to me
was the biggest mistake that NASCAR made was they never
thought they'd lose their die hards, and because of some
of the decisions that they made, a lot of the

(02:21:57):
die hards left. That's my fear for college ball. And
it's it's not just this realignment, but you push realignment
with in I l with how the transfer portals operating.
And we just had four or five of the biggest
shifts power shifts in college football's over fifty year history
in the last eight nine months. So there are just

(02:22:19):
a lot of people that are looking at it saying, no,
I don't I'm not into it anymore. I'll find something else,
I'll spend my money elsewhere. That's a big concern for me.
Um And then I think the next biggest question in
college football is what will be next for whatever the
next tier of college football is right now, we reference
it as the group of five. I don't know what
we're gonna call it when it's when this is all
said and done, but when the major conferences pull away

(02:22:41):
and they do their own thing, whatever, we call it
group of five, next level Division two, second division of
college football. You know what, what can those groups put
together to find something that will watch, that's going to
be sustainable from a revenue perspective, And who can they
get behind it, Whether it's Elon Musk or I'm Aren't
Cuban or a Tim Cook or if it's a television network,

(02:23:03):
whatever entity can support it to get it going. And
my biggest fear, guys for that part is, I don't
know if any of that second tier leadership right now
are having any of those discussions, and by god, I
would be, because the handouts are gonna stop. The handouts
with the paycheck games, the handouts with the bowl revenue sharing,
the handouts with the playoffs sharing, the handouts, with some

(02:23:25):
of the conference revenue sharing that's been happened, like you
guys mentioned, coming in there's gonna be schools like Kansas State,
maybe TCU, maybe Oregon State, Washington State. They're gonna get
left behind, and then what are you gonna do? And
if you're just sitting around waiting for these handouts that
you've been getting for fifty seventy years and all of
a sudden they're gone, what plan do you have in
place to potentially move forward? Because we could put something

(02:23:47):
together that would be great if we think about a
Power five playoff last few years with what Coastal Caroline
has been doing with with Grayson McCall lake, Willison Liberty
last year. Louisiana has been a really fun team to
watch the last couple of years if B y U
was in the mix. So of the Boise teams that
we've seen, we have some great football games. US three
would watch it. But on the college football diehard is
gonna watch it. Go get the fans what they've been

(02:24:08):
asking for. Sixteen team playoffs. You'll find your television windows
that are a little bit different where people are gonna
go and make sure that they watch it and have
time to put it on and take it in. So
that's my biggest fear is once we do get there
wherever we're going, what's the next tier going to do?
And have they even been discussing any sort of a
plan whatsoever. It's funny cold because you kind of u

(02:24:29):
two the words right out of my mouth, because I
think you need to reimagine the playoffs, particularly for those
groups below the SEC and the big tin as we
look at it now, Um, who can you imagine emerging
as the leaders of that conversation because we gotta read,
we gotta read, we gotta have to discuss the playoffs
all over again, not only at the top but at
the bottom. Who do you expect to see take the

(02:24:51):
lead when it comes to having those discussions? Unfortunately, Bucky
ump Um, Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, Apple, Um. I think it's
whoever wants to get on board, it wants to broadcast it,
and whoever thinks that the inventory is gonna be valuable.
Maybe CBS wants to stay in the game, and they

(02:25:12):
show up and say, Hey, this is gonna be our deal,
and we're gonna have to put a playoffs together. We're
gonna televise it. We have multiple networks to be able
to do it. And you look what they do with
the with the n C Double A basketball tournament. How
many different networks they could put it on. Maybe NBC
becomes even more of a player in college football outside
of Notre Dame. Uh So, I think, unfortunately, one of
the television or one of the broadcast entities i'll say,

(02:25:34):
is most likely going to drive that and they'll be
able to step up and say, here's X amount of
million that we're gonna be able to give you every year.
For sure. Obviously we'll have some sort of extra revenue
sharing based on what we can maybe do from an
advertising perspective. But that's who I think. I mean. Could
there be a mega billionaire that steps up and just says, hey,
I'm gonna fund this whole thing and get it going

(02:25:55):
and then I'll own it and we'll just kind of
move on from there, and I think you would have
to go along with that. But more than likely it's
going to be somebody who can broadcast it, be a
stream or be a you know, regular television and what
we've been used to on cable for a while. Cole,
really interesting stuff, man, Thank you so much for coming
on today. Really really great. Hey, and George Dizzy with

(02:26:16):
you guys. Thanks for having me all right there it
goes all situation with with Mark Willard and Bucky Brooks
Fox Sports Radio. Since we've last heard from him. We've
got a new Grand Slam winner, although it isn't new
uh and uh and plenty developing out there as well,
So let's get ill in here with what's trending. Hello Isaac, Hello,

(02:26:40):
Mark and Bucky. Meet the new boss, same as the
old boss. Because a short time ago in the Gentleman's
Singles final in Wimbledon, no that Djokovic had championship point
against Nick Curios in a fourth set tiebreak. Here was
Nick Lester on Wimbledon Radio from Carriols cam from Carriols
inside in full hand from Djocobs right the baseline and

(02:27:00):
now big folhand in the samest fault that was right
on the baseline. Curios gets it back. He's into that
MS lost. It's a magnificent seventh gimbling title. Was Djokovic's
twenty feet career Grand Slam titles, surpassing Roger Federer for
second all time. He now all the trails Rafael Nadal,

(02:27:24):
who has twenty two Grand Slam titles. So that was
obviously the most important moment of the final. But Mark
and Bucky it was not even close to being the
most amusing moment. Now during the match, Curios became irritated
by a drunk, allegedly female fan who was heckling him.
Listen closely as Curios desperately pleads with the chair umpire

(02:27:49):
to throw her out. Among the phrases to listen for
here and again, you need to listen pretty closely, Curios
saying she's drunk out of her mind, and he also added,
she looks like she's had about seven hundred drinks. Bro
except to me, what I'm saving? You know what, there's
not one of occasion. He believe me. Again, it's really

(02:28:10):
close to the game because she's do kind of a
frosty in the middle of the game. What's acceptable. Don't
think he's except they said, I don't know what. I'm
timmy with no one of my suns. About seven hundred
drinks broke again as we briefly touch on Major League Baseball,

(02:28:35):
the only game going on right now, the Orioles and
Angels scoreless going to the third inning at Camden Yards,
Mark and Bucky a new phrase for my money added
to the sports lexicon. She looks like she's had about
seven hundred drinks. Bro back to you, what does seven
hundred drinks look like? By the way, Yeah, is you know,

(02:29:00):
somewhere around the the seventieth If not, or well, so
I don't, I don't. I don't know what that looks like.
But it's good sound. It's curious, I tell you what.
With a lot of sports out there, we've been through
this before. Golf goes through this, Baseball is definitely going
through this. In tennis big time, especially in our country

(02:29:24):
with the lack of of great American players. Um, it
doesn't hurt. It doesn't hurt to have personalities are willing
to go out there and say somethings. No, it certainly doesn't.
Like that's what it's about. Like, I mean, law, we're
in sports, but we also entertainment, and it's a lot
easier to get people to tune in when the people

(02:29:46):
that are participating are entertaining. And you'd like to see robberies,
you'd like to see a little um I said. Sometimes Uh, disagreement, debate, Uh,
we'd like to see a little acrimony. All of those
things make us tune in. And so I kind of
dug it. You know where my mind goes though, And
this is maybe weird, but uh, what makes a sport

(02:30:07):
a sport where you can play while someone's yelling at
you versus a sport where you can't have someone yelling
at you. And I get sort of the the inherent
silence of a golf course or a tennis court. Um,
but man, it's like, you know, the snap of a
camera used to drive Tiger Woods nuts, and and you

(02:30:31):
played in NFL arenas where you can't even hear what
someone is saying right next to you. The the energy
and the noise is so incredibly loud. So I don't know,
I don't know. I I feel like, um, the people
who want everybody to shut up and be quiet during
sporting events. It's kind of a tough ask. Look, it

(02:30:52):
is different because in football in basketball, you grow up
in that environment where is is the they're interactive, is raucous,
is noisy in those things, Uh, tennis and golf, Like
they've taken all that away. So even when you grow
up as a kid, you rarely hear the people in
the background. So it would be a bit of a
culture shock to have heckling in those things, even though

(02:31:17):
I think it would make for a fascinating TV if
it was doing more of that, if it was a
little more of a man make it like you need
to hit this putt, like shooting free throws with everyone
going and all that other stuff like can you make
the putt and they focus and lock in and doing yes,
can you knock it in? Outside of major championships, what

(02:31:42):
is the best moment in golf all year? It's the
seventeen toll or is it the sixteenth whatever it is
at TPC Scottsdale, where everybody is going bananas and they're
hackling you and they're screwing yeah. They know yes, and
they know your middle name name, and they know your
mom's maiden name, and they've studied and they're they're hilarious

(02:32:04):
and they're right, and it's fantastic and the golfers love it.
By the way, Like I just I think across the board,
we need to do this with with sports. We need
to you know, baseball, Oh my gosh, you flipped the bat.
Now I've got to throw a ball at your head.
And we've got to freak out and come out of
the dog outs and look at each other and act
like we're gonna fight, like just comm it all down

(02:32:28):
and and and man, highlight the fun like let's go.
Nobody nobody goes out on the town and says, you
know what we need to look for tonight? It is
Saturday night. Let's go find quiet. Like I mean, I
mean maybe maybe parents do. Parents are like, can we

(02:32:49):
just go to a restaurant and have some quiet. We've
got toddlers at home. But you know what I mean,
we're here for a good time. We're not here for quiet. Yeah.
It is a lot uh more enjoyable when you feel
the energy. Part of the reason why I love watching
playoff games in every sport, you can feel the energy
when you're there, but also when you're watching TV, you

(02:33:12):
can feel the passion and energy that's going on in
playoff baseball games or even in the hockey games. Because
I'm watching the Stanley Cup and all that stuff was
was fun and it was lively, and that to me,
that brings the viewer in. So yeah, if we make
it lively and all that, I'm with it. And also
when it comes to baseball, I've always thought when I
watched whatever, what was that, the World Classic or the

(02:33:34):
Baseball Classic, why, hey, I like they talk a little bit. Hey,
throw the back, if you want to throw the back
to the roof, throw it. I love it. I like
that all you need to see is highlights of one
big baseball game and the Dominican and you'll be like, oh,
we're doing it wrong. Yeah yeah, like it's I mean,

(02:33:54):
it looks souch more fun. Um, okay with Blucky Brooks,
Mark Well and what's talking all about? Kevin Duran and
Kyrie Irving. Meantime, while we're distracted, is another star on
the move that is coming up next on Fox Sports Radio?
Okay with Bucky Brooks Mark Willard And I'm gonna run

(02:34:15):
a little test with you and watch how quick your
answer is. Um, hey, Bucky, are you leaving Fox Sports Radio?
Am I leaving Fox Words Radio? No? I'm not. Okay,
See how quick that answer was. You didn't need thirty
seconds to answer that question. You If you took thirty

(02:34:37):
seconds to answer that question, I'd be like, uh, we
just stumbled onto something didn't win. Yeah. Yeah, So the
owner of the Utah Jazz took thirty seconds to answer
the question are you trading Donovan Mitchell? Listen to some
These are some of the quotes that came within the

(02:34:59):
thirty second of are you Trading Donovan Mitchell? First one,
I'm not trying to be cryptic next one, change is
inevitable in the NBA. Next one. Donovan is on our
roster well, and he's a very important part of what

(02:35:25):
we're trying to do. Okay, there's your obligatory at very
vague like yeah, right, that could mean that we're trying
to turn him into different pieces. Um, here's another quote.
Things evolve in the NBA. And then finally, after thirty seconds,
there's no intent there. That was the final sentence that

(02:35:49):
everyone was trying to get to, and that was the
best he could do with We're not trying to trade Donovan.
There's no intent there. I mean, look, he's told you,
he said the quiet part out loud. They're moving on
from Spidy Mitchell. They got rid of Rudy Gobert. They

(02:36:11):
want to redo it. They want to reimagine the Utah Jazz.
If you know Danny Ainge, if you've seen Danny Ainge's
work over time, he did it with the Celtics, knocked
him down, broke him down to the studs, build it
back up. He wants to rebuild the Utah Jazz. And
this is a team that has been very competitive, but
they haven't been able to get over the top. And
so they run his course. It's time now to reset

(02:36:35):
it and figure out what they can do. That trade
was the first part of many things that they're gonna
do to try and get this team up and going. Well.
I mean, am I being stupid here? Or is this
the first call I would make if I were the
Brooklyn Nets. I mean, that's the guy, that's the guy
to send Kevin Durant. Kevin duranst not going to Utah?
Why not that you died like he's going there? Kevin?

(02:36:59):
Kevin doesn't have a choice, Kevin Kevin's you can tell
me a park cities right around the corner. You can
do all your your movies and your documentaries right there.
You know, we can do the film festival. Not it's
not having it's not happening, well except for we all. Oh,
play hardball. You've got the leverage. But I get maybe

(02:37:22):
he wouldn't show up, But then what what what what
do you do then? If you don't know, if you're Utah?
Would would that not be the best thing that you
you could get for Donovan Mitchell is the rights to
Kevin Durant. And now you're the one, I don't know.
I listen, we're in a spot here where as the

(02:37:45):
dust all settles on the championship contenders right, Boston made
their move, Malcolm Brogden, Philly got James Harden to restructure.
The Warriors are sitting there with a cigar and their
feet up and on Automan and they're like, yeah, what
we'll we'll, we'll see. UM. A lot of these teams
have made their moves, and now you're sitting there. You're

(02:38:07):
sitting there with Donovan Mitchell, You're sitting there with Kyrie Irving,
You're sitting there with Kevin Durant. There isn't gonna be
a perfect deal out there, So what do you do.
You're you're not gonna get You're not gonna get equal
value back. I don't think, No, you're not gonna equal
value back for for Kevin Durant. Look, I think it's
the slow play. I think ultimately Kevin Durant has to

(02:38:28):
determine what does he want out of all of this.
You know, where does he want to go? Because he's
not gonna be able to go to Phoenix um and
get back what they want. We thought maybe, um, I
just don't think it happens. And so this is a
tough one. I think ultimately they may determine that it
might be best for this team to run it back.
Run it back. We haven't even seen him with Ben Simmons,

(02:38:49):
if Ben Simmons is ever gonna play again, but man,
run it back. Can you imagine Kevin Durant, Kyrie Irving,
Ben Simmons, all of them are livid. Uh they they
won't play. I just, oh my gosh, that thing when
more sideways than even the biggest pessimists could have ever imagined. Look,

(02:39:12):
it didn't go the way did it imagine? But you
know it went the way that I thought it would go.
Today's show with you, it was outstanding. Have my guy
Mark will it join me on Fox Sports Sunday. It
is always a blast. Make sure you guys keep it locked.
More great shows on the rest of the day. We'll
see you next week.

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