June 20, 2024 • 19 mins
George Noory and author Dan Baldwin explore his research into ancient Native American stories of alien visitations and why the different alien races came to visit Earth, plus his work with law enforcement searching for missing people by using pendulums.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Dan, Welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with you.
Our first guest is Dan Baldwin is a professional writer,
often seen as a ghostwriter for other professionals. He has
written or co written or ghosted more than fifty books,
has won numerous local, regional, and national awards. He's a
certified clinical hypnotherapist. Plays the Native American flute, is an
(00:28):
extra pendulum dowser, having used the pendulum to assist in
finding missing people for more than fifteen years. Dan, welcome
to the program.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Oh, it's delightful, we'll be back. I'm delighted to be here.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
It's good to have you with us.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Have you been been busy, been real busy.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
What have you been up to.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
I've been swinging that pendulum an awful lot.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Yeah. How did you get involved in that?
Speaker 3 (00:50):
It's a real strange story. Uh. I was about twenty
years ago. I heard a voice, and I'm not a
clear audience. I don't hear voices. You know, the pendulum
is my thing. I heard a voice, clear as a
bell that said, you know, go find missing children. It
was like a commandment, and it was one of those
things that stuck in the back of my head and
just would not let me go. And after about three
(01:13):
months of dealing with it, I finally said, you know,
looked at the sky and said, yeah, show me the door.
I'll walk through it. And it hit me that my
mom had told me that we have a little psyching trend,
you know, in the family. And I said, well, I'll
give that a shot. You know, I'm not I'm not
a copper, a private eye, but you know, maybe I
can use the psychic psychic ability if I have any,
(01:36):
to find these missing kids. And I just started hanging
around with different psychics and one day I saw someone
doing doing a pendulum. I said, that's it. I can
do that, and I just picked it up.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Now, how does it work finding missing people?
Speaker 3 (01:51):
It works like it doesn't any investigative process. The pendulum
is really a rock on the string. It's like a
terror cards or crystal ball. There's nothing magic about it.
It's it's a tool. But what it does is one
your well, your your conscious mind is looking at this
weight on a string. Your your subconscious mind is freed up,
(02:11):
and that's where all the magic happens, and your subconscious
is able to contact oh what the medieval bards would
call the other world, you know, call it the universe,
whatever tag you want to put on it. But you're
able to contact the other world and get the answers
to your questions. And with with the pendulum, it works
(02:33):
very simply. If you ask a question, if the answer
is yes, it'll swing right. If the answer is no,
it'll swing it'll swing to the left. And it's just
a process of uh, you know, conversation and the process
of elimination. Do you I'm sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Do you hold it over a mat?
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Yeah? You can. Normally I hold it over my palm
and ask questions. But if I'm looking for a missing person, uh,
you can reduce the area that you're looking at, say
from the United States to Arizona to northern Arizona at
some point to question and answers. You can narrow down
the area and then you can pull out a map
and get get real specific and if you want to.
(03:12):
I've often used Google Earth, and you can actually, you know,
you get you can get right down to very specific areas.
I mean, in looking for a missing person or missing
or whatever. You can actually get latitude and longitude.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Yeah, you get.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Remarkable Yeah, when it when it works, Yeah, working with
it's like any other psychic capabilities. Sometimes you're cooking, sometimes
you're not. But when one, it's when it's right, it
is extremely accurate and it's a very good Georgia and
I've discovered it's an extremely effective investigated tool.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Now, Dan, you also use this for researching extraterrestrials. How
does that work?
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Yeah? That is correct. Yeah. Let me make a small announcement. Yeah,
Georgia and I have the new book we wrote. We
just wrote The Sky People in Our Ancestors was just
out last week, so your audience is the first to
hear about this. So Wed, Yeah, we were kicking around
one day after our last book and which involved you know,
the spirit world and UFOs, and we were talking. You know,
(04:13):
you hear a lot about the uh, the the people
from above, from the from the heavens and from the
stars coming down and visiting people in the Middle East.
That's that's part of history. And we said, well, you know,
we have Native Americans here. I bet they were visited
by the sky people. And I started thinking, yeah, there's
the especially out here in the West, we have the
lots of sky people who come down and help out
(04:35):
the Native Americans. So we decided to start investigating that angle,
the sky people and the Native Americans, and we're kind
of divided it into an interesting area. Georgia's out in
them in Louisiana, which is basically the mound builder culture,
and I'm out here in the Great Southwest in Arizona,
which is the cliff dwelling culture. And we decided to
(04:57):
explore both of those cultures and then one see if
they did have contact with the sky people, which they did,
and then we could compare the mound builders contact with
the cliff builders contact, and it got real interesting. They
were definitely they were definitely here visiting our Native American
populations a lot.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
And you asked the pendulum what kind of questions to
decide that?
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Well, yeah, basically the questions like you and I. You
would ask me, you know, for example, if I'm at
a I'll say a Native American cliff dwelling, I would ask,
you know, is there a spirit who was here at
the time that this dwelling was active? I get a
yes or no, and I always got a yes. And
you would ask basic questions are you male or your female?
Where you're a farmer, where your warrior? And then you know,
(05:44):
you've kind of build up a relationship really and then
I would start asking, you know, did you have visitations
from what we would call sky people? And consistently I
got a yes. And one of the really interesting things
about this, and we asked this across the board and
we got the same end across the board. Uh. The
Native Americans never thought of the sky people as gods.
(06:06):
They always thought of them as people, advanced people, people
with you know, great technology and great knowledge and great experience.
But they said, now, they would tell us, you know,
we did not think of them as gods. They were
they were just people who came from the sky to
visit us.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
But they did believe in gods.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Yeah, And we had a really interesting conversation with a
with a shame when I was up on the Onwn
area called Cedar Mesa in Utah, which is just loaded
with a Native American cliff dwellings. And most of the
time I was in contact with the spirits. They were
you know, basic folks, you know, farmers, But every once
in a while I would run into maybe a shaman
(06:44):
and I had a conversation with one shaman about about religion,
and I said, you know, did you did you worship
them as gods? And God know they were not God.
They said, did you share religion? And they said, we
did not share a religion, but we had religious services together.
And I said, well there was some were there some
(07:06):
kind of basic commonalities between their religion and your religion?
And the shaman told me, he said, well, my religion
hasn't changed any but it has expanded.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Tell us more about the sky.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
People than Yeah, they were basically they arrived not on
any particular schedule, and they really didn't announce their arrival.
They just basically showed up in the traditional what we
would call a ufo, and they would land nearby the
village and generally the leadership, the chief or the shaman
(07:39):
would go out and visit with the sky people, and
the villagers would you know, they would can't stand by
and watch what was going on. And I asked you
what were you guys doing with each other? And yeah,
obviously I'm boiling down a lot of information covered over
an extensive or search, question and answer periods, but basically,
the sky people came down to uh, conduct trade with
(08:03):
the Native Americans, and what they traded was basically information,
and primarily what they were the information. At least what
we've gotten so far is they would trade information on
the religious beliefs, but also on health and well being.
Apparently the sky people helped the Native Americans with your
(08:23):
medical health and hygiene.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
How often did these sky people visit?
Speaker 3 (08:31):
There was no regular schedule. I asked them if it was,
if it was common or regular. They said the answer
I got was it was it was fairly common, but
not regular. They would just show up. And another interesting
thing we came about, we learned all the all of
the sky people that the Native Americans here and in
(08:53):
the Mound building cultures that that they encountered were what
we would call the Nordis. Those were the you know,
the blind, blue eyed, tall beings. They would walking down
if they had on a suit and tire or something
walking down the street. They would look like normal people.
And what really threw me was they never we never
encountered the case where they encountered the graves, not one case.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
That's weird.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
That was really that really threw me for a loop.
But I would ask, you know, uh, you know in
addition to the tall, tall, blonde people, were there any
short great people were big almond shaped eyes and consistently
across the board.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
We got to know, what about the praying mentis type?
Same with that.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
I didn't ask about the praying mantis type. I asked
basically to I asked for description of the people, and
the script descriptions I got were, you know, tall, blond haired,
blue eyed, blue eyed people.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
What is a Cato Indian a cattle Indian?
Speaker 3 (09:53):
You know, the Catto Indians were one of the high
cultures of the mound building cultures that disappeared white before
the Spanish and the French came along through Louisiana and
through the Mississippi and the Red River and the rivers
up and there. But they were very high culture. They
built mounds and had temples and the extensive trade areas.
(10:16):
There's one area called Poverty Point, which predated the Caddos
over in northeast Louisiana, but one of the largest largest
sites Native American sites in existence. And they had trade
from down to Central America all the way up to
the Great Lakes. So they were you know, they weren't
just a bunch of grubby Indians, you know, grubbing out
(10:36):
in existence. They were very highly skilled, very very knowledgeable people.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Did you find out, Dan, why the sky people visited us?
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Basically, the answer we kept getting was just to share information.
I'm sure there's probably a lot more to that, but
the information that the Native American spirits gave us was
they were there on a friendly visit and they were
there to share information.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
And of course they did share it.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Oh yeah, yeah, both sides, you know, they traded information
and something that was really it kind of fascinated me.
Up in the Utah area, the Indians there were very
friendly with the Native Americans. And I did a spot
check down in some areas in the Arizona south of
the Superstition Mountains just to compare cultures, and the same
(11:27):
Sky people visited. But down in Arizona they were a
little bit for some reason, they were a little bit
more intimidated. They didn't fear the sky people, but the
average citizen of the villages was I think they were
intimidated again, not fearful what they were. They were dealing
with people of extremely high technology. They did not understand
everything that was going on, but there never was any
(11:50):
fear or anything like that. You know, they were welcome
gas Let me put it that way.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
How many Native American groups did they visit?
Speaker 3 (12:05):
I don't really know. My guess would be every one
of them. We only investigated the the the Indians out
here in the southwest in my area and the area
where Georgia lives over in Louisiana. But they were whenever
we would go to a site, there was always they
knew what the sky people were, They knew that the
sky people had had visited there.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Were they scared by them?
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Not really again, Uh, the worst that they the worst
feeling that they had against them, What would be just intimidation. Yeah,
these are these are people who have obviously a lot
more knowledge and a lot more technology than we do.
And some of them were intimidated. Most of them, you know,
most of most of the encounters, uh, especially up in
the in the Utah area, they just accepted it, you know, right,
(12:49):
the sky people are back. Let's let you know, let
the chief go out there, let the showman go out there,
see see what's going on.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Did they ever describe the craft yep?
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Traditionally, uh, you would, you would call it the traditional
Ufo flying saucery in fact, I was at a place
called Fishmouth fish Mouth Cave, which is a beautiful ruin
stuck way back, way back of a canyon. But actually
there was a sandy area and I drew, you know,
a box, and I do a circle, and I drew
(13:22):
a drawing of a you know, a flying saucer, and
you know, and I would point to each one, is
this what you saw? I got to know? This is
what you saw? I got to know, pointed to the
flying saucer and I got a yes from the pendulum.
So they came down in the traditional flying saucers.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Did they talk about abductions? Now?
Speaker 3 (13:40):
The visited that. Again, this is just the culches that
we've visited. But they did go aboard the craft. Usually
it was the shaman or the chief, and sometimes females
would go aboard. So I'm assuming there was some sort
of inspection, medical exam something going on, something like that.
But only only a couple of people actually go up.
(14:01):
Most of the ones we talked to U saw the craft.
They saw the chief of the show and go into
the craft. They saw the craft go up it I'll
come back, but most of them pretty much stayed away
from it.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Tell us about the abduction of Lindsay Higgins.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
Yeah, that's uh we did. Yeah, that was a case
in back in Streetport, Louisiana. And George can tell you
a lot more about that. But Lindsay called him up.
George was with Muffon, I think he was the regional director,
and somebody put Lindsay in contact with George. And Lindsay
was having, uh, you know, the typical experiences. She would
wake up and they would be strange marks on her body,
(14:37):
have dreams of you know, the dreams of being up
on the craft. And she had many unexplained abdominal pains
that the doctors could not explain, and so she contacted George.
George called called me up and said, hey, you think
we can use the pendulum downsing technique to investigate Lindsay's case.
And I said, well, let's let's find out. And so we,
(14:58):
uh you know, we got our pendulums out in the
gated and Lindsay was actually abducted by the by the UFOs.
She wasn't harmed. She was examined and one of the
interesting things we did using the again using the pendlum dowsing,
we were able to contact the ets who abducted her,
and abduction abduction is not quite accurate, uh, you know
(15:21):
that that implies violence and negativity and all that. But
we were able to contact them and said, look, if
you're doing this, Lindsay obviously has agreed to do this
in a past life to go through this experience and
that that's another whole story there. But if you're going
to abduct her and examiner, can you do it without
hurting her, without pain? And we got a yes. And
(15:43):
apparently she was abducted by the Grace and apparently they
just did not understand that they were causing they were
causing pain, so they said, yeah, no more, no more pains.
And she has been contacted a couple of times since
George and I worked with her, that's a couple of
years ago. And she said, yes, he's been aboard again,
but there has been no pain involved with it.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
Then when you got a yes to that question, was
it a pendulum question?
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Yeah, definitely. Yeah, we used the pendulum extensively. One of
the real benefits of working with the pendlum and this
is especially through dealing with the spirit world. You know,
when you when you're dealing with the psychic, who's dealing
with trying to investigate the spirit world. And you know,
you're happy if you get like a knock on the
door or somebody touches you, or if you get maybe
(16:30):
an EVP. You know, that's that's considered a successful session.
Well with pendulum downs and you can carry on extensive conversations.
George and I've had conversations with spirits and yeah in Louisiana, Detexas, Arkansas, Arizona,
New Mexico. You name it for you know, ten fifteen
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to twenty minutes at a time. And I think part
of that is because the spirit world, you know, they
operated the higher vibration, and I think the subconscious mind
involved with pendulum dowsing is able to communicate at that
level much better than say the human conscious mind.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Were you baffled by the fact that this works, not really?
Or do you expect it?
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (17:19):
I know, I expect it to work. And again, you know,
like like I said, sometimes you know, sometimes you're you're
cooking and you get straight answers. Sometimes if you know,
if you're in a bad mood or if you're taking
if you've got the flu in your own Colt cold
cold medicine, you're going to have a bad day, but
if you do it right, you're going to get very
accurate information. And I've done this so much, so many
(17:39):
times and got so many correct answers. You know, there's
no doubt about the technique works. And one of the
good things about it is like anybody can tick this
technique out. If you can hold a rock on a string,
you can do pendulum dowsing. The only the only hard
part is you've got to keep your mind absolutely clear
so that your subconscious does the work and not your
(18:00):
you know, not your critical mind.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
How many books stan have you written with George Shawl?
Speaker 3 (18:05):
George and I have written, uh, this will be our
second one together. But George was like my premier researcher
for the pendulum the Pendulum Dowsing one, the South Dowsing,
the Deceased Pendulum two, which was what we all learned
about our investigations about life on the other side. Then
George and I wrote the Lindsay Higgins book together, and
(18:27):
together we wrote the Skypeople books. So George and I
have been I have two books together, and we're we're
going to meet later this month and see if there's
another that says a third in.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
US, fascinating research that you tube do, fascinating.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
It's amazing. And you know it's like you open a
door and step into a room, and then you know.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
There are more doors and more rooms.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
And more rooms. Yeah, it's fascinating.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
Dan, Welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with you.
Our first guest is Dan Baldwin is a professional writer,
often seen as a ghostwriter for other professionals. He has
written or co written or ghosted more than fifty books,
has won numerous local, regional, and national awards. He's a
certified clinical hypnotherapist. Plays the Native American flute, is an
(00:28):
extra pendulum dowser, having used the pendulum to assist in
finding missing people for more than fifteen years. Dan, welcome
to the program.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Oh, it's delightful, we'll be back. I'm delighted to be here.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
It's good to have you with us.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Have you been been busy, been real busy.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
What have you been up to.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
I've been swinging that pendulum an awful lot.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Yeah. How did you get involved in that?
Speaker 3 (00:50):
It's a real strange story. Uh. I was about twenty
years ago. I heard a voice, and I'm not a
clear audience. I don't hear voices. You know, the pendulum
is my thing. I heard a voice, clear as a
bell that said, you know, go find missing children. It
was like a commandment, and it was one of those
things that stuck in the back of my head and
just would not let me go. And after about three
(01:13):
months of dealing with it, I finally said, you know,
looked at the sky and said, yeah, show me the door.
I'll walk through it. And it hit me that my
mom had told me that we have a little psyching trend,
you know, in the family. And I said, well, I'll
give that a shot. You know, I'm not I'm not
a copper, a private eye, but you know, maybe I
can use the psychic psychic ability if I have any,
(01:36):
to find these missing kids. And I just started hanging
around with different psychics and one day I saw someone
doing doing a pendulum. I said, that's it. I can
do that, and I just picked it up.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Now, how does it work finding missing people?
Speaker 3 (01:51):
It works like it doesn't any investigative process. The pendulum
is really a rock on the string. It's like a
terror cards or crystal ball. There's nothing magic about it.
It's it's a tool. But what it does is one
your well, your your conscious mind is looking at this
weight on a string. Your your subconscious mind is freed up,
(02:11):
and that's where all the magic happens, and your subconscious
is able to contact oh what the medieval bards would
call the other world, you know, call it the universe,
whatever tag you want to put on it. But you're
able to contact the other world and get the answers
to your questions. And with with the pendulum, it works
(02:33):
very simply. If you ask a question, if the answer
is yes, it'll swing right. If the answer is no,
it'll swing it'll swing to the left. And it's just
a process of uh, you know, conversation and the process
of elimination. Do you I'm sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Do you hold it over a mat?
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Yeah? You can. Normally I hold it over my palm
and ask questions. But if I'm looking for a missing person, uh,
you can reduce the area that you're looking at, say
from the United States to Arizona to northern Arizona at
some point to question and answers. You can narrow down
the area and then you can pull out a map
and get get real specific and if you want to.
(03:12):
I've often used Google Earth, and you can actually, you know,
you get you can get right down to very specific areas.
I mean, in looking for a missing person or missing
or whatever. You can actually get latitude and longitude.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Yeah, you get.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Remarkable Yeah, when it when it works, Yeah, working with
it's like any other psychic capabilities. Sometimes you're cooking, sometimes
you're not. But when one, it's when it's right, it
is extremely accurate and it's a very good Georgia and
I've discovered it's an extremely effective investigated tool.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Now, Dan, you also use this for researching extraterrestrials. How
does that work?
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Yeah? That is correct. Yeah. Let me make a small announcement. Yeah,
Georgia and I have the new book we wrote. We
just wrote The Sky People in Our Ancestors was just
out last week, so your audience is the first to
hear about this. So Wed, Yeah, we were kicking around
one day after our last book and which involved you know,
the spirit world and UFOs, and we were talking. You know,
(04:13):
you hear a lot about the uh, the the people
from above, from the from the heavens and from the
stars coming down and visiting people in the Middle East.
That's that's part of history. And we said, well, you know,
we have Native Americans here. I bet they were visited
by the sky people. And I started thinking, yeah, there's
the especially out here in the West, we have the
lots of sky people who come down and help out
(04:35):
the Native Americans. So we decided to start investigating that angle,
the sky people and the Native Americans, and we're kind
of divided it into an interesting area. Georgia's out in
them in Louisiana, which is basically the mound builder culture,
and I'm out here in the Great Southwest in Arizona,
which is the cliff dwelling culture. And we decided to
(04:57):
explore both of those cultures and then one see if
they did have contact with the sky people, which they did,
and then we could compare the mound builders contact with
the cliff builders contact, and it got real interesting. They
were definitely they were definitely here visiting our Native American
populations a lot.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
And you asked the pendulum what kind of questions to
decide that?
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Well, yeah, basically the questions like you and I. You
would ask me, you know, for example, if I'm at
a I'll say a Native American cliff dwelling, I would ask,
you know, is there a spirit who was here at
the time that this dwelling was active? I get a
yes or no, and I always got a yes. And
you would ask basic questions are you male or your female?
Where you're a farmer, where your warrior? And then you know,
(05:44):
you've kind of build up a relationship really and then
I would start asking, you know, did you have visitations
from what we would call sky people? And consistently I
got a yes. And one of the really interesting things
about this, and we asked this across the board and
we got the same end across the board. Uh. The
Native Americans never thought of the sky people as gods.
(06:06):
They always thought of them as people, advanced people, people
with you know, great technology and great knowledge and great experience.
But they said, now, they would tell us, you know,
we did not think of them as gods. They were
they were just people who came from the sky to
visit us.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
But they did believe in gods.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Yeah, And we had a really interesting conversation with a
with a shame when I was up on the Onwn
area called Cedar Mesa in Utah, which is just loaded
with a Native American cliff dwellings. And most of the
time I was in contact with the spirits. They were
you know, basic folks, you know, farmers, But every once
in a while I would run into maybe a shaman
(06:44):
and I had a conversation with one shaman about about religion,
and I said, you know, did you did you worship
them as gods? And God know they were not God.
They said, did you share religion? And they said, we
did not share a religion, but we had religious services together.
And I said, well there was some were there some
(07:06):
kind of basic commonalities between their religion and your religion?
And the shaman told me, he said, well, my religion
hasn't changed any but it has expanded.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Tell us more about the sky.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
People than Yeah, they were basically they arrived not on
any particular schedule, and they really didn't announce their arrival.
They just basically showed up in the traditional what we
would call a ufo, and they would land nearby the
village and generally the leadership, the chief or the shaman
(07:39):
would go out and visit with the sky people, and
the villagers would you know, they would can't stand by
and watch what was going on. And I asked you
what were you guys doing with each other? And yeah,
obviously I'm boiling down a lot of information covered over
an extensive or search, question and answer periods, but basically,
the sky people came down to uh, conduct trade with
(08:03):
the Native Americans, and what they traded was basically information,
and primarily what they were the information. At least what
we've gotten so far is they would trade information on
the religious beliefs, but also on health and well being.
Apparently the sky people helped the Native Americans with your
(08:23):
medical health and hygiene.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
How often did these sky people visit?
Speaker 3 (08:31):
There was no regular schedule. I asked them if it was,
if it was common or regular. They said the answer
I got was it was it was fairly common, but
not regular. They would just show up. And another interesting
thing we came about, we learned all the all of
the sky people that the Native Americans here and in
(08:53):
the Mound building cultures that that they encountered were what
we would call the Nordis. Those were the you know,
the blind, blue eyed, tall beings. They would walking down
if they had on a suit and tire or something
walking down the street. They would look like normal people.
And what really threw me was they never we never
encountered the case where they encountered the graves, not one case.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
That's weird.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
That was really that really threw me for a loop.
But I would ask, you know, uh, you know in
addition to the tall, tall, blonde people, were there any
short great people were big almond shaped eyes and consistently
across the board.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
We got to know, what about the praying mentis type?
Same with that.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
I didn't ask about the praying mantis type. I asked
basically to I asked for description of the people, and
the script descriptions I got were, you know, tall, blond haired,
blue eyed, blue eyed people.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
What is a Cato Indian a cattle Indian?
Speaker 3 (09:53):
You know, the Catto Indians were one of the high
cultures of the mound building cultures that disappeared white before
the Spanish and the French came along through Louisiana and
through the Mississippi and the Red River and the rivers
up and there. But they were very high culture. They
built mounds and had temples and the extensive trade areas.
(10:16):
There's one area called Poverty Point, which predated the Caddos
over in northeast Louisiana, but one of the largest largest
sites Native American sites in existence. And they had trade
from down to Central America all the way up to
the Great Lakes. So they were you know, they weren't
just a bunch of grubby Indians, you know, grubbing out
(10:36):
in existence. They were very highly skilled, very very knowledgeable people.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Did you find out, Dan, why the sky people visited us?
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Basically, the answer we kept getting was just to share information.
I'm sure there's probably a lot more to that, but
the information that the Native American spirits gave us was
they were there on a friendly visit and they were
there to share information.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
And of course they did share it.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Oh yeah, yeah, both sides, you know, they traded information
and something that was really it kind of fascinated me.
Up in the Utah area, the Indians there were very
friendly with the Native Americans. And I did a spot
check down in some areas in the Arizona south of
the Superstition Mountains just to compare cultures, and the same
(11:27):
Sky people visited. But down in Arizona they were a
little bit for some reason, they were a little bit
more intimidated. They didn't fear the sky people, but the
average citizen of the villages was I think they were
intimidated again, not fearful what they were. They were dealing
with people of extremely high technology. They did not understand
everything that was going on, but there never was any
(11:50):
fear or anything like that. You know, they were welcome
gas Let me put it that way.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
How many Native American groups did they visit?
Speaker 3 (12:05):
I don't really know. My guess would be every one
of them. We only investigated the the the Indians out
here in the southwest in my area and the area
where Georgia lives over in Louisiana. But they were whenever
we would go to a site, there was always they
knew what the sky people were, They knew that the
sky people had had visited there.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Were they scared by them?
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Not really again, Uh, the worst that they the worst
feeling that they had against them, What would be just intimidation. Yeah,
these are these are people who have obviously a lot
more knowledge and a lot more technology than we do.
And some of them were intimidated. Most of them, you know,
most of most of the encounters, uh, especially up in
the in the Utah area, they just accepted it, you know, right,
(12:49):
the sky people are back. Let's let you know, let
the chief go out there, let the showman go out there,
see see what's going on.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Did they ever describe the craft yep?
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Traditionally, uh, you would, you would call it the traditional
Ufo flying saucery in fact, I was at a place
called Fishmouth fish Mouth Cave, which is a beautiful ruin
stuck way back, way back of a canyon. But actually
there was a sandy area and I drew, you know,
a box, and I do a circle, and I drew
(13:22):
a drawing of a you know, a flying saucer, and
you know, and I would point to each one, is
this what you saw? I got to know? This is
what you saw? I got to know, pointed to the
flying saucer and I got a yes from the pendulum.
So they came down in the traditional flying saucers.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Did they talk about abductions? Now?
Speaker 3 (13:40):
The visited that. Again, this is just the culches that
we've visited. But they did go aboard the craft. Usually
it was the shaman or the chief, and sometimes females
would go aboard. So I'm assuming there was some sort
of inspection, medical exam something going on, something like that.
But only only a couple of people actually go up.
(14:01):
Most of the ones we talked to U saw the craft.
They saw the chief of the show and go into
the craft. They saw the craft go up it I'll
come back, but most of them pretty much stayed away
from it.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Tell us about the abduction of Lindsay Higgins.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
Yeah, that's uh we did. Yeah, that was a case
in back in Streetport, Louisiana. And George can tell you
a lot more about that. But Lindsay called him up.
George was with Muffon, I think he was the regional director,
and somebody put Lindsay in contact with George. And Lindsay
was having, uh, you know, the typical experiences. She would
wake up and they would be strange marks on her body,
(14:37):
have dreams of you know, the dreams of being up
on the craft. And she had many unexplained abdominal pains
that the doctors could not explain, and so she contacted George.
George called called me up and said, hey, you think
we can use the pendulum downsing technique to investigate Lindsay's case.
And I said, well, let's let's find out. And so we,
(14:58):
uh you know, we got our pendulums out in the
gated and Lindsay was actually abducted by the by the UFOs.
She wasn't harmed. She was examined and one of the
interesting things we did using the again using the pendlum dowsing,
we were able to contact the ets who abducted her,
and abduction abduction is not quite accurate, uh, you know
(15:21):
that that implies violence and negativity and all that. But
we were able to contact them and said, look, if
you're doing this, Lindsay obviously has agreed to do this
in a past life to go through this experience and
that that's another whole story there. But if you're going
to abduct her and examiner, can you do it without
hurting her, without pain? And we got a yes. And
(15:43):
apparently she was abducted by the Grace and apparently they
just did not understand that they were causing they were
causing pain, so they said, yeah, no more, no more pains.
And she has been contacted a couple of times since
George and I worked with her, that's a couple of
years ago. And she said, yes, he's been aboard again,
but there has been no pain involved with it.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
Then when you got a yes to that question, was
it a pendulum question?
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Yeah, definitely. Yeah, we used the pendulum extensively. One of
the real benefits of working with the pendlum and this
is especially through dealing with the spirit world. You know,
when you when you're dealing with the psychic, who's dealing
with trying to investigate the spirit world. And you know,
you're happy if you get like a knock on the
door or somebody touches you, or if you get maybe
(16:30):
an EVP. You know, that's that's considered a successful session.
Well with pendulum downs and you can carry on extensive conversations.
George and I've had conversations with spirits and yeah in Louisiana, Detexas, Arkansas, Arizona,
New Mexico. You name it for you know, ten fifteen
(16:50):
to twenty minutes at a time. And I think part
of that is because the spirit world, you know, they
operated the higher vibration, and I think the subconscious mind
involved with pendulum dowsing is able to communicate at that
level much better than say the human conscious mind.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
Were you baffled by the fact that this works, not really?
Or do you expect it?
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (17:19):
I know, I expect it to work. And again, you know,
like like I said, sometimes you know, sometimes you're you're
cooking and you get straight answers. Sometimes if you know,
if you're in a bad mood or if you're taking
if you've got the flu in your own Colt cold
cold medicine, you're going to have a bad day, but
if you do it right, you're going to get very
accurate information. And I've done this so much, so many
(17:39):
times and got so many correct answers. You know, there's
no doubt about the technique works. And one of the
good things about it is like anybody can tick this
technique out. If you can hold a rock on a string,
you can do pendulum dowsing. The only the only hard
part is you've got to keep your mind absolutely clear
so that your subconscious does the work and not your
(18:00):
you know, not your critical mind.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
How many books stan have you written with George Shawl?
Speaker 3 (18:05):
George and I have written, uh, this will be our
second one together. But George was like my premier researcher
for the pendulum the Pendulum Dowsing one, the South Dowsing,
the Deceased Pendulum two, which was what we all learned
about our investigations about life on the other side. Then
George and I wrote the Lindsay Higgins book together, and
(18:27):
together we wrote the Skypeople books. So George and I
have been I have two books together, and we're we're
going to meet later this month and see if there's
another that says a third in.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
US, fascinating research that you tube do, fascinating.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
It's amazing. And you know it's like you open a
door and step into a room, and then you know.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
There are more doors and more rooms.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
And more rooms. Yeah, it's fascinating.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
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