October 6, 2024 • 13 mins
Guest host Connie Willis and scientist Jon Taylor discuss precognition and ESP.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now here's a highlight from coast to coast AM on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Precognition go deeper into the characteristics of it. But also
something that people ask me a lot is what about
lucid dreaming or precognition in dreams? What do you have
with just precognition in general?
Speaker 3 (00:20):
I guess, well, the precognition itself. Basically, what I'm suggesting
is that it's a link with one's brain in the future.
It's nothing to do with consciousness. The precognition is between
one's brain and the future and one's brain in the present,
(00:42):
and the precognition occurs when the brains are in similar states,
as they're said to correlate with each other. Let me
just say a word about perception. But it is very
important to understand the way we proceed thing is the
way we're in things. Everything in the all our perceptions
(01:04):
are thoughts, are all represented by what known as neuronal
spatial temporal patterns of neural neuronal activation. And when you
look at something, you activate a specific pattern in the brain.
When you remember something, you activate the same pattern. When
(01:28):
you have a precognition about something, you activate the same pattern.
So give a simple a simple example of how Carol
precognizes an earthquake that's going to occur tomorrow. The way
it makes it easier to understand. Remember that the precognition
(01:50):
refers to Carol's experience of the events when she watches
new newscast about it tomorrow evening. For example, whilst watching newscast,
Carol activates a pattern in her brain which corresponds to
her experience of the earthquake, and the continuing activation of
(02:11):
the pattern is what gives rise to Carol's conscious experience
of watching the earthquake. So if she wants to recognize
the event today, she has to activate a similar pattern
tomorrow's pattern. She might sometime during the day spontaneously activate
(02:32):
such a pattern, or she might, for example, knock the
leg of the dining table. Notice the cutlery shaking, and
in the brain this is the networks corresponding to the
cutler shaking are associated with networks corresponding to the earthquake.
(02:53):
Either way, the network's corresponded it to the earthquake are
activated a few times. This isn't sufficient for Carol to
become consciously aware of an earthquake, But since the patterns
in the presence and the future are similar. The patterns
resonate across time. According to Bohm's theory, there is a
(03:17):
tendency for the activation to include it for there to
be an increase in the degree of activation. If the
degree of activation of the present pattern reaches the threshold
for conscious awareness, Carol suddenly finds herself thinking about the
(03:39):
idea of the earthquake. She has received in the presence
a memory of what you'll experience in the future. So
if it happens during the day, she might feel a
hunch that there's going to be an earthquake, But if
it happens at night, the premonition might find its way
into one of her dreams. Okay, I think that gives
(04:02):
a submary of the process. Let's say it can be
applied to so many other things, and this enables us
to know why precognition is so elusive. One particularly interesting
aspect is that, since you're activating patterns in the future,
(04:24):
when you watch the events, it needs to be an
emotional events because that produces lots and lots of activations
of the pattern, and it produces a strong resonating field.
So in the present, if you just happen to think
briefly about the possibility of such an event. The effect
(04:44):
of the future activations is going to produce an influence,
and the present activation will increase and you become consciously aware.
But this can create problems. But I think given an example,
I tend to have hypochondria, and a couple of days
(05:06):
before I go to the doctor, I start thinking that
I have some terrible disease. In fact, at the time
approaches I feel quite certain that I'm going to be
told by the doctor that I have a terrible disease.
So I go to see the doctor and he tells
me there's nothing really wrong with me. So was that
(05:27):
earlier experience of precognition. No, it wasn't the precognition of
the doctor telling me I might have a terrible disease,
But it was a precognition referring to my future thoughts
over the the next two days, in which I was
thinking I might have a disease, and that was coming
over in the presence, and so in the presence I
(05:48):
was thinking and it was going it was building up,
and it would be like a sort of vicious circle.
And this explains why hypochondria affects people in this way.
And another very important that is why is this when
the elections there aren't people who can An election is
(06:12):
such a simple events, it's such an emotional event. But
why is it that there aren't hundreds of people forecasting
who's going to win the election? And the answer is this,
weeks or days before the election, a person is thinking
about if one candidate is going to win, then is
thinking about if the other candidates is going to win,
(06:35):
independently as to which candidates wins. So now in the
presence is receiving impressions from all these thoughts in his
future over the next week, cut to the day of
the election, sometimes thinking the candidates will win, sometimes thinking
will will lose. So he doesn't get any selectivity. You
(06:59):
can't just e one or the other. And when the
candidate actually wins or loses, it's too late. He's already
had a precognition recognition about his early efforts.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Well, I know some people that will take that guess,
and they have and they're either going to be right
or wrong in it. But sometimes they just politically don't
want to say, especially if you're over here. Now it's
the way it is over here, let me let me
ask you this. Okay, so telepathy is really interesting to me,
(07:33):
and you let me hear your thoughts on on telepathy,
because I think you look at this a little differently
than I do. So let me let me hear your
thoughts on what you've learned with telepathy.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Yes, well, I've definitely seen telepathy is weaker than pre
condition because different brains are involved and the patterns are less.
They like it to match. I think, well to understanding
this better, let's look at the way the neuronal networks
(08:07):
are connected to form the pattern in the brain. Take
an example, first of recognition, Tom experiences an emotional event tomorrow,
and whilst he's watching the events, he associates in his
brain information about the events and information about his previous
(08:27):
experiences with the events. So now today he activites activates
a pattern corresponding to a similar event, in which networks
corresponding to the events are again associated with networks corresponding
to his previous experiences with the events. The future and
(08:49):
present patterns are similar. Resonance occurs and he recognizes to
Modrow's event. So now take a case of telepathy. They're
suppose that Tom is in New York and Carol is
in London. Again, Tom experiences and emotional events, and he
associates information about the events with information about his previous
(09:14):
experiences of the event. Meanwhile, Carol is in London. She
activates the pattern corresponding to a similar event, but she
associates the information about the events with information about her
previous experiences of that event. And these experiences are probably
(09:35):
quite different from those of Tom. The patterns are different,
and the resonance will be much weaker because you don't
get a close matching between Tom's patterns and Carol's pattern
so the telepathy is very much weaker. And I suggest
(09:55):
that many Bay cases are a sensible telepathy, not due
to telepathy at all, but due to the pacipients recognizing
her own future knowledge of the event because someone has
to tell her otherwise she wouldn't have suspected been a
telepathic contact anyway, So it does occur sometimes. That's a
(10:19):
case that's an illustration of the psychic telling me that
they flying over water, and that was definitely a telepathy.
And I think in the case of Nostradama's predictions, where
he's predicting the activities of thousands of people, you might
get an amplification effect which makes it easier to detect
(10:43):
what's going on. Nostradamers had three predictions about the events
and during the life of Hitler, which was six hundred
years later than his life, and yet he was able
to pick up He picks up the name Hitler and
something about his activities. It might have been a future
(11:06):
tele telepathic contact.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
So describe telepathy for us.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Well by giving the example I've tried to describe. Describe you.
A telepathy occurs when you think about a certain thing
and you activate the corresponding pattern in your brain, and
I try to activate a similar pattern. Now, one way
(11:35):
to do it is if I visualize myself as you.
So you activate a pattern and you associate it in
your brain with an image of yourself. And if I
think of you and associate the pattern with a similar event,
then the two patterns are similar and resonance can occur.
(11:59):
So it is part simple, But as I say, I
believe it's more more difficult. What what is interesting? I
think it's easier to influence people using telepathy.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
So I see I see telepathy differently. I see telepathy.
And this is how I've always known it to be
what the word means, and uh, it is communication between
two people or maybe even more. But telepathy is communicating
back and forth. So you're you're not seeing, You're not
(12:36):
talking about telepathy that way, you know.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
I'm saying that the sensitivity, the connection between my brain now,
my brain now and my brain tomorrow are much more
similar to each other. It's easier to get a resonance
between between the zoo Epathy depends on a different brain,
(13:02):
a brain in which you associate events with your previous
experiences with the events, and these associations are what are
going to be different for different people. So I suggest
it's possible, but difficulty.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Listen to more Coast to Coast AM every weeknight at
one am Eastern and go to Coast to cooastam dot
com for more
Now here's a highlight from coast to coast AM on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Precognition go deeper into the characteristics of it. But also
something that people ask me a lot is what about
lucid dreaming or precognition in dreams? What do you have
with just precognition in general?
Speaker 3 (00:20):
I guess, well, the precognition itself. Basically, what I'm suggesting
is that it's a link with one's brain in the future.
It's nothing to do with consciousness. The precognition is between
one's brain and the future and one's brain in the present,
(00:42):
and the precognition occurs when the brains are in similar states,
as they're said to correlate with each other. Let me
just say a word about perception. But it is very
important to understand the way we proceed thing is the
way we're in things. Everything in the all our perceptions
(01:04):
are thoughts, are all represented by what known as neuronal
spatial temporal patterns of neural neuronal activation. And when you
look at something, you activate a specific pattern in the brain.
When you remember something, you activate the same pattern. When
(01:28):
you have a precognition about something, you activate the same pattern.
So give a simple a simple example of how Carol
precognizes an earthquake that's going to occur tomorrow. The way
it makes it easier to understand. Remember that the precognition
(01:50):
refers to Carol's experience of the events when she watches
new newscast about it tomorrow evening. For example, whilst watching newscast,
Carol activates a pattern in her brain which corresponds to
her experience of the earthquake, and the continuing activation of
(02:11):
the pattern is what gives rise to Carol's conscious experience
of watching the earthquake. So if she wants to recognize
the event today, she has to activate a similar pattern
tomorrow's pattern. She might sometime during the day spontaneously activate
(02:32):
such a pattern, or she might, for example, knock the
leg of the dining table. Notice the cutlery shaking, and
in the brain this is the networks corresponding to the
cutler shaking are associated with networks corresponding to the earthquake.
(02:53):
Either way, the network's corresponded it to the earthquake are
activated a few times. This isn't sufficient for Carol to
become consciously aware of an earthquake, But since the patterns
in the presence and the future are similar. The patterns
resonate across time. According to Bohm's theory, there is a
(03:17):
tendency for the activation to include it for there to
be an increase in the degree of activation. If the
degree of activation of the present pattern reaches the threshold
for conscious awareness, Carol suddenly finds herself thinking about the
(03:39):
idea of the earthquake. She has received in the presence
a memory of what you'll experience in the future. So
if it happens during the day, she might feel a
hunch that there's going to be an earthquake, But if
it happens at night, the premonition might find its way
into one of her dreams. Okay, I think that gives
(04:02):
a submary of the process. Let's say it can be
applied to so many other things, and this enables us
to know why precognition is so elusive. One particularly interesting
aspect is that, since you're activating patterns in the future,
(04:24):
when you watch the events, it needs to be an
emotional events because that produces lots and lots of activations
of the pattern, and it produces a strong resonating field.
So in the present, if you just happen to think
briefly about the possibility of such an event. The effect
(04:44):
of the future activations is going to produce an influence,
and the present activation will increase and you become consciously aware.
But this can create problems. But I think given an example,
I tend to have hypochondria, and a couple of days
(05:06):
before I go to the doctor, I start thinking that
I have some terrible disease. In fact, at the time
approaches I feel quite certain that I'm going to be
told by the doctor that I have a terrible disease.
So I go to see the doctor and he tells
me there's nothing really wrong with me. So was that
(05:27):
earlier experience of precognition. No, it wasn't the precognition of
the doctor telling me I might have a terrible disease,
But it was a precognition referring to my future thoughts
over the the next two days, in which I was
thinking I might have a disease, and that was coming
over in the presence, and so in the presence I
(05:48):
was thinking and it was going it was building up,
and it would be like a sort of vicious circle.
And this explains why hypochondria affects people in this way.
And another very important that is why is this when
the elections there aren't people who can An election is
(06:12):
such a simple events, it's such an emotional event. But
why is it that there aren't hundreds of people forecasting
who's going to win the election? And the answer is this,
weeks or days before the election, a person is thinking
about if one candidate is going to win, then is
thinking about if the other candidates is going to win,
(06:35):
independently as to which candidates wins. So now in the
presence is receiving impressions from all these thoughts in his
future over the next week, cut to the day of
the election, sometimes thinking the candidates will win, sometimes thinking
will will lose. So he doesn't get any selectivity. You
(06:59):
can't just e one or the other. And when the
candidate actually wins or loses, it's too late. He's already
had a precognition recognition about his early efforts.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Well, I know some people that will take that guess,
and they have and they're either going to be right
or wrong in it. But sometimes they just politically don't
want to say, especially if you're over here. Now it's
the way it is over here, let me let me
ask you this. Okay, so telepathy is really interesting to me,
(07:33):
and you let me hear your thoughts on on telepathy,
because I think you look at this a little differently
than I do. So let me let me hear your
thoughts on what you've learned with telepathy.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Yes, well, I've definitely seen telepathy is weaker than pre
condition because different brains are involved and the patterns are less.
They like it to match. I think, well to understanding
this better, let's look at the way the neuronal networks
(08:07):
are connected to form the pattern in the brain. Take
an example, first of recognition, Tom experiences an emotional event tomorrow,
and whilst he's watching the events, he associates in his
brain information about the events and information about his previous
(08:27):
experiences with the events. So now today he activites activates
a pattern corresponding to a similar event, in which networks
corresponding to the events are again associated with networks corresponding
to his previous experiences with the events. The future and
(08:49):
present patterns are similar. Resonance occurs and he recognizes to
Modrow's event. So now take a case of telepathy. They're
suppose that Tom is in New York and Carol is
in London. Again, Tom experiences and emotional events, and he
associates information about the events with information about his previous
(09:14):
experiences of the event. Meanwhile, Carol is in London. She
activates the pattern corresponding to a similar event, but she
associates the information about the events with information about her
previous experiences of that event. And these experiences are probably
(09:35):
quite different from those of Tom. The patterns are different,
and the resonance will be much weaker because you don't
get a close matching between Tom's patterns and Carol's pattern
so the telepathy is very much weaker. And I suggest
(09:55):
that many Bay cases are a sensible telepathy, not due
to telepathy at all, but due to the pacipients recognizing
her own future knowledge of the event because someone has
to tell her otherwise she wouldn't have suspected been a
telepathic contact anyway, So it does occur sometimes. That's a
(10:19):
case that's an illustration of the psychic telling me that
they flying over water, and that was definitely a telepathy.
And I think in the case of Nostradama's predictions, where
he's predicting the activities of thousands of people, you might
get an amplification effect which makes it easier to detect
(10:43):
what's going on. Nostradamers had three predictions about the events
and during the life of Hitler, which was six hundred
years later than his life, and yet he was able
to pick up He picks up the name Hitler and
something about his activities. It might have been a future
(11:06):
tele telepathic contact.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
So describe telepathy for us.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Well by giving the example I've tried to describe. Describe you.
A telepathy occurs when you think about a certain thing
and you activate the corresponding pattern in your brain, and
I try to activate a similar pattern. Now, one way
(11:35):
to do it is if I visualize myself as you.
So you activate a pattern and you associate it in
your brain with an image of yourself. And if I
think of you and associate the pattern with a similar event,
then the two patterns are similar and resonance can occur.
(11:59):
So it is part simple, But as I say, I
believe it's more more difficult. What what is interesting? I
think it's easier to influence people using telepathy.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
So I see I see telepathy differently. I see telepathy.
And this is how I've always known it to be
what the word means, and uh, it is communication between
two people or maybe even more. But telepathy is communicating
back and forth. So you're you're not seeing, You're not
(12:36):
talking about telepathy that way, you know.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
I'm saying that the sensitivity, the connection between my brain now,
my brain now and my brain tomorrow are much more
similar to each other. It's easier to get a resonance
between between the zoo Epathy depends on a different brain,
(13:02):
a brain in which you associate events with your previous
experiences with the events, and these associations are what are
going to be different for different people. So I suggest
it's possible, but difficulty.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Listen to more Coast to Coast AM every weeknight at
one am Eastern and go to Coast to cooastam dot
com for more
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