November 22, 2024 • 16 mins
George Noory and author Don Schmitt explore his efforts to push for UFO disclosure, whether politicians truly want to get to the bottom of the UFO mystery with their recent hearings, and discuss eyewitness accounts from the 1947 Roswell UFO crash.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Norrie back
with Don Schmid as we talk about the Roswell New
Mexico crash. Don, the President elect, the Trump Do you
think he's going to disclose anything? Do you think he
is going to be important to this?
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Well? I think who will be a influence on him?
Or two will be two people want will be his son,
Don Junior. And then I'll mention why in a moment,
but then certainly RFK Junior, and I'm I would just
love to see RFK, for example, walk into the headquarters
(00:41):
of the CIA over in Langley, Virginia and demand to
see the files on his uncle on the assassination of
John F. Kennedy. And he so much has said that's
exactly what he intends to do. And as we both remember,
(01:02):
it was Bill Clinton when he had requested his assistant
at State Apartment, Webster Hubble, to look into two things
for him. I want the answer, I want the truth
on the Kennedy assassination and UFOs And we're.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Not sure he got information if he didn't get it
on both right.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Right, he failed on both counts. I like to believe
that rfk Jor, you know, he has nothing to lose,
and he certainly, as a surviving family member, you know,
has every right to know. But I mentioned Donald Trump,
Donald Trump Junior the last time, and he did this
(01:45):
as an annual Father's Day interview, fathered a son, and
it was his last year in office, his first term.
And the very last question that don Jor asked his
father was, Dad, when are you going to release the
Roswell files? Not the UFO files, the Roswell files and
(02:10):
his father and I'm sure the questions were, you know,
agreed to in advance. I'm sure he didn't blindside his
own father. But then the president responds, we're working on it,
and then he adds, I know that millions of people
go there because they want to be where something important happened. Well,
(02:36):
our museum in Roswell, we're approaching our six millionth visitor.
So yes, millions of people have gone there, and we'll
continue to go there. So then his son followed up
again and then he said, well, we are doing all
we can to get the files out, So I'd like
(02:58):
to believe that it's going to be a father's son
joint your project in that regard, and we would love
to invite the president's son to Roswell to see if
that would get things, you know, rolling in that regard.
And so we have plans, especially given that we have
a museum, we have landmarks, we could we can take
(03:21):
them out to the crash sites. We can show them
where you know, the the history making events actually took place.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Why has this been a of secrecy done? Why has
this been a shroud of secrecy?
Speaker 3 (03:36):
I on two counts, I believe not only does it
remain a cover up of ignorance, that the powers that
be still don't know from where, from why? From whom?
I know, there's a long, you know, you know list
of officers that we have interviewed within the military who
(03:57):
you know, lament the fact that they're not being told anything,
that the old Order was not passing down the information
to them. We clearly have demonstrated with Roswell that most
of the officers who were sworn to secrecy and had
pensions and other benefits at stake, they took it with them,
(04:18):
they took it to their graves. And what a crime,
you know, you know, to all humanity. In that regard.
And I think the other reason, George, is the culpability,
the fact that they threatened witnesses. They threatened not only
their own military, but they especially got pretty rough with
the civilians involved, down to the children. Just imagine, I mean,
(04:41):
I mean the thought that they were threatening to kill
children over a balloon device es, and so yeah, there
would be hell to pay just to think of the
class action that could be taken against the government that
they would finally concede that, Well, we had to, we
(05:01):
were forced to do that. You know, we had to
resort to extreme measures. Wow, how about the truth? How
about just you know, we'll forgive you just to tell
us the truth.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
What do you think of those witnesses who have disclosed
over the past several hearings credible?
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Credible? Yes, in the sense that there I would I
would agree that they are courageous. I have talked to
I've you know, met with David Grush indirectly during a
Zoom meeting, and I asked him questions specifically about Roswell,
and I appreciate the fact that even for being granted immunity,
(05:46):
that they're still being threatened. Still it's almost like a
continuation OF's like been there, done that. We've heard this
time and time again with our witnesses. Yeah, but in
Grush's case, for example, he's not a true whistleblower. He's
not firsthand. He can't prove anything. He can only cite sources.
(06:06):
What I'm concerned about, George, is that the sources supposed
opposedly have been interviewed, they have testified behind closed doors.
These are the people that can take us by the
hands and lead us to supposedly the physical evidence, and
we're not hearing anything. So the secrecy is kind of
(06:29):
going both ways. That it's not only from the secret keepers,
but then those that have information conveyed to them and
they're still not disclosing it. That's something we're going to
have to work around. And we're dealing with politicians and
(06:49):
their careers are also at stake, and so it's really
a tough nut to crack. It truly is do you think.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
These legislators really want to get to the answer. Are
they doing this to show face? What do you think
is going on?
Speaker 3 (07:05):
I think it goes both ways, George. I think a
lot of times, when you know the cameras are rolling
and they you know, they put on, you know, the
appearance that they're being tough and you know, and being
assertive and demanding the truth. But I think it's more
a case of, and this is what I would especially
be extremely livid about, is the fact you have been
(07:28):
lying to us. I'm sitting here today as far as
part of this congressional panel, and you have been deceiving us.
How dare you? What gives you that right? You aren't
elected you people? You know are you know? I have
assumed as far as positions within the military, within the
(07:51):
intelligence departments, and you are withholding information from us. That's
what I would be the most you know, demanding of.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
And of course the big question is if that's true,
why what are they hiding?
Speaker 3 (08:09):
I know, I know, And again I think it's they're
they're they're they're they're hiding the fact that they don't
have answers and if they do at all, they've had
failure after failure after failure in trying to reverse engineer
and develop the technology. And again, I think they have
(08:30):
just perpetuated this lie for so many years that they
would lose off face the idea that you're talking about
the biggest story in the last thousand years and you
have been deceiving the world about this. How could they
ever recover from that? The stakes are that high? We
(08:51):
know that.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Tell us the story of John Musgrove. Who is he?
Who was he?
Speaker 3 (08:58):
And what is that story? Yeah? You brought him up. John.
John just passed away last year. He lived into his
mid nineties, and he was a dento tech. He worked
at Wright Patterson Air Force Base specifically, you know, within
that background. And when he went into private practice. He
was still in the Dayton, Ohio area, just down the
road from Wright Patterson Air Force Base, and his boss
(09:22):
brings in a mandible, a bone mandible as far as
a lower jaw, and wanted him to create a relief,
make a replica of it. And he took to the
sink to wash it off, thinking it was just a
plaster mold or a cast mold, and he sees that
it's actual bone, it's the actual mandible, and how oddly
(09:46):
shaped it was. It wasn't human and it wasn't like
anything he'd ever seen before. So he creates the relief.
His boss retrieves it the next day and well, I
need the work order, work order. You didn't do anything,
and he takes the mold that it was cast out
of the replica, crumbles it up and tosses it into
(10:08):
the trash. So Mosgrove follows him and he sees him
hand the original bone mandible and the replica to two officers,
two Air Force officers in the parking lot, and he
recognizes one that he served under when he was stationed
at right Path. Well, he quickly races back up two
(10:32):
the lab and he retrieves that crumbled you know, relief,
and he makes another replica. He makes another one. He
keeps it in a safe at a bank and a
bank ball for thirty years, and it was a Lake
Carl Day. He was reported with NBC at that time.
It turned it over to him and the day contacted us.
(10:53):
We talked to the Mosgrove and we have that replica
at the museum in Roswell, and every anthropologist who has
looked at it says it is not human. It is
not of any animal species here on earth. So the
fact that it came from right pat and where did
the bodies from Roswell go? And was this something that
(11:15):
these officers stumbled upon or were they just you know,
making a replica of a souvenir of what they knew
to be something truly extraordinary.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
The mainstream media don seems lately to really beginning to
grasp UFO stories. Is that a good thing?
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Yes and no, if they go to the right people,
if they speak to the actual historians, the ones that
can look at this as far as a greater picture
of what we've been through and how much of this,
you know, repeats itself. We went through all this at
(12:00):
the Lake Congressman Stephen Schiff of New Mexico. Yes, and
we worked directly with them, and we would meet with
him in Washington and at his office at Albuquerque. And
I'll never forget when the Air Force in September of
nineteen ninety four and they had the press conference at
(12:20):
the Pentagon and they came out with their third official
explanation on Roswell and at being Project Mogul, the Russian
spy balloon, same balloon materials, same off the shelf materials,
which any five year old would recognize, but it was
part of a top secret project at that time, but
the materials were not top secret. Well. Nonetheless, I thought
(12:43):
that would be the end of our relationship with the Congressman,
and I call up his office in Washington. He comes,
he finally gets back to me, and I'm thinking, Okay,
I guess that's the end of this project. And I
will never forget the way he said, Don there are
a bunch of damn liars, and he said, I'm going
(13:04):
to get reelected and we're going to hit them twice
as hard. Well, he got reelected, and then we know
what happened as far as with the skin cancer, and
within six months he was gone, age of fifty one.
But just imagine if he would have had support, if
there would have been colleagues as far as congressional colleagues
(13:26):
that would have stood with him, and we could have
had hearings back then, and we could have had one
hundred first tent roswel witnesses, true whistleblowers who could describe
what they held in their hands, what they witnessed, what
they experienced, and then point their fingers at the military
(13:47):
and say, and you threatened us, you threatened to kill
our children over this. Just imagine should that have happened.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Don tell us about the mortician who's dead now, Dennis, Well,
that story fascinates me.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
Yes and no. And you know we originally Kevin Randall
and I originally interviewed Glenn, I think, all the way
back in nineteen ninety and the story was consistent. But
he provided us with the name of a nurse, and
no one spent more time trying to verify the existence
(14:26):
of that nurse than we did, and we always came
up empty handed. And then Glenn finally admitted to us, well,
he gave us a pseudonym, he gave us a phony name.
And then when I learned that what was actually happening
is that Glenn was having an affair with that nurse
at the base at the time, and that not only
(14:48):
was his wife from that time still alive and then
his present wife. So it kind of, you know, jaded
the whole story, but nonetheless the story of the we
feel we've identified her, and as Glenn had told us
that she had been transferred to England, and she did
(15:10):
die a few years after the incident of a childhood disease,
so that was all correct. The phone cause to the base,
to the mortuary, the Ballard funeral Home, we believed it
happened that there was a request for child size caskets.
We even spoke to the son of the trucker who
(15:31):
went up to Amarillo, Texas, and that's where they would
actually pick up the coffins. And the Sun described how
he accompanied his dad and when they returned back to Roswell,
everything was cordoned off and they had a circle coming
from the east to the west of town, and his
father dropped him at home and then he proceeded off
(15:54):
to the base. So those are the things that are
concerned distant. The phone caused, the child size caskets, and
the personal thing's okay, fine, but I'm not gonna throw
out the you know everything just because somethings didn't check out.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Listen to more Coast to Coast AM every weeknight at
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Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Norrie back
with Don Schmid as we talk about the Roswell New
Mexico crash. Don, the President elect, the Trump Do you
think he's going to disclose anything? Do you think he
is going to be important to this?
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Well? I think who will be a influence on him?
Or two will be two people want will be his son,
Don Junior. And then I'll mention why in a moment,
but then certainly RFK Junior, and I'm I would just
love to see RFK, for example, walk into the headquarters
(00:41):
of the CIA over in Langley, Virginia and demand to
see the files on his uncle on the assassination of
John F. Kennedy. And he so much has said that's
exactly what he intends to do. And as we both remember,
(01:02):
it was Bill Clinton when he had requested his assistant
at State Apartment, Webster Hubble, to look into two things
for him. I want the answer, I want the truth
on the Kennedy assassination and UFOs And we're.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Not sure he got information if he didn't get it
on both right.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Right, he failed on both counts. I like to believe
that rfk Jor, you know, he has nothing to lose,
and he certainly, as a surviving family member, you know,
has every right to know. But I mentioned Donald Trump,
Donald Trump Junior the last time, and he did this
(01:45):
as an annual Father's Day interview, fathered a son, and
it was his last year in office, his first term.
And the very last question that don Jor asked his
father was, Dad, when are you going to release the
Roswell files? Not the UFO files, the Roswell files and
(02:10):
his father and I'm sure the questions were, you know,
agreed to in advance. I'm sure he didn't blindside his
own father. But then the president responds, we're working on it,
and then he adds, I know that millions of people
go there because they want to be where something important happened. Well,
(02:36):
our museum in Roswell, we're approaching our six millionth visitor.
So yes, millions of people have gone there, and we'll
continue to go there. So then his son followed up
again and then he said, well, we are doing all
we can to get the files out, So I'd like
(02:58):
to believe that it's going to be a father's son
joint your project in that regard, and we would love
to invite the president's son to Roswell to see if
that would get things, you know, rolling in that regard.
And so we have plans, especially given that we have
a museum, we have landmarks, we could we can take
(03:21):
them out to the crash sites. We can show them
where you know, the the history making events actually took place.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Why has this been a of secrecy done? Why has
this been a shroud of secrecy?
Speaker 3 (03:36):
I on two counts, I believe not only does it
remain a cover up of ignorance, that the powers that
be still don't know from where, from why? From whom?
I know, there's a long, you know, you know list
of officers that we have interviewed within the military who
(03:57):
you know, lament the fact that they're not being told anything,
that the old Order was not passing down the information
to them. We clearly have demonstrated with Roswell that most
of the officers who were sworn to secrecy and had
pensions and other benefits at stake, they took it with them,
(04:18):
they took it to their graves. And what a crime,
you know, you know, to all humanity. In that regard.
And I think the other reason, George, is the culpability,
the fact that they threatened witnesses. They threatened not only
their own military, but they especially got pretty rough with
the civilians involved, down to the children. Just imagine, I mean,
(04:41):
I mean the thought that they were threatening to kill
children over a balloon device es, and so yeah, there
would be hell to pay just to think of the
class action that could be taken against the government that
they would finally concede that, Well, we had to, we
(05:01):
were forced to do that. You know, we had to
resort to extreme measures. Wow, how about the truth? How
about just you know, we'll forgive you just to tell
us the truth.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
What do you think of those witnesses who have disclosed
over the past several hearings credible?
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Credible? Yes, in the sense that there I would I
would agree that they are courageous. I have talked to
I've you know, met with David Grush indirectly during a
Zoom meeting, and I asked him questions specifically about Roswell,
and I appreciate the fact that even for being granted immunity,
(05:46):
that they're still being threatened. Still it's almost like a
continuation OF's like been there, done that. We've heard this
time and time again with our witnesses. Yeah, but in
Grush's case, for example, he's not a true whistleblower. He's
not firsthand. He can't prove anything. He can only cite sources.
(06:06):
What I'm concerned about, George, is that the sources supposed
opposedly have been interviewed, they have testified behind closed doors.
These are the people that can take us by the
hands and lead us to supposedly the physical evidence, and
we're not hearing anything. So the secrecy is kind of
(06:29):
going both ways. That it's not only from the secret keepers,
but then those that have information conveyed to them and
they're still not disclosing it. That's something we're going to
have to work around. And we're dealing with politicians and
(06:49):
their careers are also at stake, and so it's really
a tough nut to crack. It truly is do you think.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
These legislators really want to get to the answer. Are
they doing this to show face? What do you think
is going on?
Speaker 3 (07:05):
I think it goes both ways, George. I think a
lot of times, when you know the cameras are rolling
and they you know, they put on, you know, the
appearance that they're being tough and you know, and being
assertive and demanding the truth. But I think it's more
a case of, and this is what I would especially
be extremely livid about, is the fact you have been
(07:28):
lying to us. I'm sitting here today as far as
part of this congressional panel, and you have been deceiving us.
How dare you? What gives you that right? You aren't
elected you people? You know are you know? I have
assumed as far as positions within the military, within the
(07:51):
intelligence departments, and you are withholding information from us. That's
what I would be the most you know, demanding of.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
And of course the big question is if that's true,
why what are they hiding?
Speaker 3 (08:09):
I know, I know, And again I think it's they're
they're they're they're they're hiding the fact that they don't
have answers and if they do at all, they've had
failure after failure after failure in trying to reverse engineer
and develop the technology. And again, I think they have
(08:30):
just perpetuated this lie for so many years that they
would lose off face the idea that you're talking about
the biggest story in the last thousand years and you
have been deceiving the world about this. How could they
ever recover from that? The stakes are that high? We
(08:51):
know that.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Tell us the story of John Musgrove. Who is he?
Who was he?
Speaker 3 (08:58):
And what is that story? Yeah? You brought him up. John.
John just passed away last year. He lived into his
mid nineties, and he was a dento tech. He worked
at Wright Patterson Air Force Base specifically, you know, within
that background. And when he went into private practice. He
was still in the Dayton, Ohio area, just down the
road from Wright Patterson Air Force Base, and his boss
(09:22):
brings in a mandible, a bone mandible as far as
a lower jaw, and wanted him to create a relief,
make a replica of it. And he took to the
sink to wash it off, thinking it was just a
plaster mold or a cast mold, and he sees that
it's actual bone, it's the actual mandible, and how oddly
(09:46):
shaped it was. It wasn't human and it wasn't like
anything he'd ever seen before. So he creates the relief.
His boss retrieves it the next day and well, I
need the work order, work order. You didn't do anything,
and he takes the mold that it was cast out
of the replica, crumbles it up and tosses it into
(10:08):
the trash. So Mosgrove follows him and he sees him
hand the original bone mandible and the replica to two officers,
two Air Force officers in the parking lot, and he
recognizes one that he served under when he was stationed
at right Path. Well, he quickly races back up two
(10:32):
the lab and he retrieves that crumbled you know, relief,
and he makes another replica. He makes another one. He
keeps it in a safe at a bank and a
bank ball for thirty years, and it was a Lake
Carl Day. He was reported with NBC at that time.
It turned it over to him and the day contacted us.
(10:53):
We talked to the Mosgrove and we have that replica
at the museum in Roswell, and every anthropologist who has
looked at it says it is not human. It is
not of any animal species here on earth. So the
fact that it came from right pat and where did
the bodies from Roswell go? And was this something that
(11:15):
these officers stumbled upon or were they just you know,
making a replica of a souvenir of what they knew
to be something truly extraordinary.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
The mainstream media don seems lately to really beginning to
grasp UFO stories. Is that a good thing?
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Yes and no, if they go to the right people,
if they speak to the actual historians, the ones that
can look at this as far as a greater picture
of what we've been through and how much of this,
you know, repeats itself. We went through all this at
(12:00):
the Lake Congressman Stephen Schiff of New Mexico. Yes, and
we worked directly with them, and we would meet with
him in Washington and at his office at Albuquerque. And
I'll never forget when the Air Force in September of
nineteen ninety four and they had the press conference at
(12:20):
the Pentagon and they came out with their third official
explanation on Roswell and at being Project Mogul, the Russian
spy balloon, same balloon materials, same off the shelf materials,
which any five year old would recognize, but it was
part of a top secret project at that time, but
the materials were not top secret. Well. Nonetheless, I thought
(12:43):
that would be the end of our relationship with the Congressman,
and I call up his office in Washington. He comes,
he finally gets back to me, and I'm thinking, Okay,
I guess that's the end of this project. And I
will never forget the way he said, Don there are
a bunch of damn liars, and he said, I'm going
(13:04):
to get reelected and we're going to hit them twice
as hard. Well, he got reelected, and then we know
what happened as far as with the skin cancer, and
within six months he was gone, age of fifty one.
But just imagine if he would have had support, if
there would have been colleagues as far as congressional colleagues
(13:26):
that would have stood with him, and we could have
had hearings back then, and we could have had one
hundred first tent roswel witnesses, true whistleblowers who could describe
what they held in their hands, what they witnessed, what
they experienced, and then point their fingers at the military
(13:47):
and say, and you threatened us, you threatened to kill
our children over this. Just imagine should that have happened.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Don tell us about the mortician who's dead now, Dennis, Well,
that story fascinates me.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
Yes and no. And you know we originally Kevin Randall
and I originally interviewed Glenn, I think, all the way
back in nineteen ninety and the story was consistent. But
he provided us with the name of a nurse, and
no one spent more time trying to verify the existence
(14:26):
of that nurse than we did, and we always came
up empty handed. And then Glenn finally admitted to us, well,
he gave us a pseudonym, he gave us a phony name.
And then when I learned that what was actually happening
is that Glenn was having an affair with that nurse
at the base at the time, and that not only
(14:48):
was his wife from that time still alive and then
his present wife. So it kind of, you know, jaded
the whole story, but nonetheless the story of the we
feel we've identified her, and as Glenn had told us
that she had been transferred to England, and she did
(15:10):
die a few years after the incident of a childhood disease,
so that was all correct. The phone cause to the base,
to the mortuary, the Ballard funeral Home, we believed it
happened that there was a request for child size caskets.
We even spoke to the son of the trucker who
(15:31):
went up to Amarillo, Texas, and that's where they would
actually pick up the coffins. And the Sun described how
he accompanied his dad and when they returned back to Roswell,
everything was cordoned off and they had a circle coming
from the east to the west of town, and his
father dropped him at home and then he proceeded off
(15:54):
to the base. So those are the things that are
concerned distant. The phone caused, the child size caskets, and
the personal thing's okay, fine, but I'm not gonna throw
out the you know everything just because somethings didn't check out.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
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