January 13, 2025 • 16 mins
Guest Host Richard Syrett and guest Elizabeth Carson discuss success stories of earthing and grounding.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
We are back with Elizabeth Carson, co author of Mother
Earth Effects Volumes one and two, and she's busy working
on volume three. So let's dive into some maybe some
case studies from either volume one or two from Mother
Earth Effects. What are people saying, I mean, we can't
make medical claims, but we you know, anecdotally, when people
(00:28):
are exposing themselves to these negative ions coming from the
Earth's surface through grounding, earthing, what are they telling you?
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Well, there's a very very interesting story that I was
actually present for, and this blew my mind and filled
this whole concept about earthing and grounding to me. Actually,
so the first time in person that I met mister
quint Albert and beautiful Olivia Ramirez Smith with my co author,
(00:59):
I knew that I was meeting them, so I had
brought one of my friends named Brisa, and Brisa had
a pond stroke And for people that don't know what
that is, it's basically where you get locked in your body.
So she had a stroke and she was conscious the
entire time, locked in her body, was not able to move,
(01:20):
was not able to talk, and you know, I'm so
glad that she's still here with us today that they
didn't pull the plug because she was conscious the whole time,
and so she was unconscious, not unconscious, but she was,
you know, unable to move and in the hospital for
an extended period of time. She couldn't breathe on her own,
she couldn't eat on her own, so they had to
(01:43):
put a drake in her throat. And so in doing
this and having that drake for so many months that
she was down, she would have to go back in
after she recovered from the stroke, she would have to
go back into the hospital to basically have surgery every
three months to get the scar tissue that would grow
(02:03):
in the place where the track was in her throat
so she was able to eat and breathe right. So
every three months she would have to keep going back
to the hospital to get this procedure done so she
was able to function properly. So I knew that she was,
you know, had this stroke, and I just felt in
my soul that something like grounding, that grounding was going
(02:24):
to help her. So I had her come to this
meeting with Clinton Olivia, and so we're all sitting in
this room in California, and Brisa walks in, and as
she walks in, she's whispering, and she's like, hey, guys,
so good to see everybody. And her voice was very
very soft in a whisper. And so I'm like, Brisa,
(02:46):
what's going on? And so she started to explain her story.
She sat down across from Clint, and while she was
talking about her story, Clint grounded her with a patch.
So she took the palm of her hands and put
a patch right in the palm of her hand, plugged
it into the outlet, and Brisa continued to sit there
and tell her story. So she's talking about the stroke
(03:07):
and she's talking about the reason why she's whispering. She
had just gotten in and over the surgery, I think
a week prior to this meeting, so she's still I mean,
it takes a while to recover from this procedure. Her voice.
You can't really talk very much afterwards, and you can't
really eat much. You definitely can't eat solid foods after
(03:28):
this procedure for a couple of weeks. So she had
just gotten this then, and as we're sitting there, I'm
watching this whole thing happen. I'm looking at Brisa and
I'm like, this is weird because there's a red mark
on her throat. And so I'm staring at this red
mark and it becomes more pronounced, and then it becomes
(03:49):
it looks like a perfect circle. And so I was like, guys,
do you see her throwings? She all right? You know,
there's there's a circle around her throat. And then as
I'm saying that, I'm looking at her face now and
her face the color, the pink is coming back to
her cheeks and her face. And then I'm also noticing
that her whisper has turned into a very soft tone
(04:12):
of voice from he guys to hey guys, and I
start freaking out right, I stand up. I'm like, okay,
I know everyone's seeing this. There's a red dot on
her throat. She's talking, you know, she's not whispering anymore.
I'm like, what is happening here? And at that moment,
Brisa she didn't know what was happening, and so she
starts feeling her face and she's like, what's going on?
(04:34):
I feel a little tingly, And so Clinton starts to
explain to her that you're getting blood flow, right, your
circulation is starting to move. Your fluids and your body
are starting to move, and so the red dot on
your throat is actually blood being brought to that area,
because as you know, when blood goes to different areas,
(04:55):
blood is the carrier of nutrition, right, so blood, you
know that that circle in her throat was brain nutrition
and healing to that area where she had just gotten
this surgery. I mean, the color was coming back in
her face. She was able to speak. She wasn't talking
like how I am, but she definitely was not whispering anymore.
(05:17):
And she was almost scared, like, what's going on. I
don't know, I don't know what this is, And she
said I feel tingly and Clint is you know, reassuring
her and letting her know that this is normal and
you're finally getting proper blood flows to different areas. And
so my mind is blown at this time. And as
we leave the meeting, I'm like, Brisa, let me know
(05:38):
how this goes. You know, we've gifted her with some
earthing stuff. So she left that meeting and for the
first time since she started having these surgeries, she was
able to go to a restaurant and eat solid food.
And this this blew my mind. And I talked to
her about a month after that meeting and she said
(06:00):
that she was sleeping through the night for the first
time in her life. She was able to, you know,
have the surgery and eat solid foods. She went straight
over to her family's house after this meeting and just
to tell them about this, and she was so excited
and they were so surprised when she walked in because
of her tone of voice. She was not whispering. And
so grounding for her has completely shifted her life, and
(06:24):
now she is a huge advocate for it because of
the changes in her life that grounding has made. I mean,
she had a lot of things happened from you know,
being locked in her body. I think it was eleven months,
and so she had a lot of problems and issues
after this stroke, and so grounding for her has almost
(06:46):
brought her back to life, brought her health back where
she's almost able to behave normally, live, normally, sleep through
the night. I mean, it's just incredible what grounding and
earthing has done for her.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Does she still have the scar tissue building up in
her I guess her trach yet? Does she still have
to have that and remove surgically or did that go
away with the grounding?
Speaker 3 (07:09):
You know what, Richard, I'm so happy to say this
that now she does not have to go back every
three months, that it actually is over a year, over
a year. Now. She's been grounding now for I think
four or five six years, and so now she doesn't
have to go in as often as she used to.
She does still have to go in, but I mean
(07:31):
a year after like three months to a year, I mean,
it's just so much relief in her life. So, I mean,
it was incredible. I literally watched this all happen with
my eyes. So this really sold me on this. This
really did.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
In the book, I mean, there are some personal stories
where the healing is like the one that you just told,
where it seemed very rapid, the benefits were almost immediate.
Others he sort of gradual improvement. Why do you suppose
that is?
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Well, you know what I feel like autoimmune disease. When
when that happens, it ravages your body, right, so your
your body and immune system is turning on each other
pretty much. And so after the damage has been done,
Let's say a person with MS right multiple, I mean
a person with MS the damage is significant within the body. Right,
(08:26):
So a person with MS actually when is they're grounded,
the damage is not happening current, right, But because of
all the damage that has done prior, I think that
it takes a while for grounding to really go in
and and heal the body because of the damage. So,
for instance, there's another story, beautiful story in our book
(08:49):
about a woman with endometriosis, and she was told her
whole life that she would not be able to have children,
that it was impossible for her to have kids, and
she shouldn't even try because of the rest.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Right. Endemy drosis is sort of like scar tissue and
the uterine lining.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Yes, yes, a bunch of scar tissues that builds up,
and yeah, it just ravages the inside of your uterus
for women, I mean extremely extremely painful as well. And
so I mean the woman in the book, she really
she even talks about how painful this is, and I
can't even imagine the torture that she lived through with
(09:29):
this this you know, disease. So I mean she was
crushed because you know, her life, all her life, all
she wanted to do is be a mother. And so
all of these doctors after you know, trying to. She
went in with her her husband at the time, and
you know, they always just denied, you could not have
(09:49):
a kid. You could not have a kid, You cannot
have a kid. And luckily her significant other is actually
Olivia's son, and so he introduced her to grounding, and
you know, her process of healing it did take a while.
I mean, it was not immediate. The damage in her
body was significant, so you know, right away she didn't
(10:10):
get relief, but she did see changes in her sleep
almost immediately. Almost immediately she was able to sleep longer hours.
So after a couple months of grounding, she would go
back into the doctor and visit the doctor, and the
doctor would say, you know, this actually is looking better,
and she was complaining less about pain, and through the
(10:33):
test they were seeing that she was getting better and
they were like, what are you doing? You know, what
is going on? And you know, she she let them know,
but they, you know, doctors didn't really explore that further.
So another six months goes down the line. Now she's pregnant. Pregnant,
(10:54):
so through grounding and earthing, I mean, her journey with
this is so incredible. Now she has two children, two
children with her husband. She grounds every day she has,
you know, the pain, I think, and even in the
book she talks about how it's gone down to almost nothing.
I mean she's literally gotten her life back. But it
(11:17):
did take her longer than you know, Breefe's situation. It
took her a little bit longer, but she was able
to have children. She was able to slowly feel better
and get full nights of rest from grounding and earthing. So,
I mean, I think it's because some people have so
much damage in their body that it takes them a
(11:37):
little bit longer to get back to house than others.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
How does orthodox medicine view earthing or grounding? Are they suspicious?
Are they skeptical?
Speaker 3 (11:50):
I would say absolutely are yes. I mean a Clint
at this point has has proven the science. But even
when I got introduced to grounding, probably you know, eight
years ago, it was so woo woo, right quote unquote
woo woo. It's like, yeah, earthing, grounding is for hippies,
you know, it was kind of just shunned in mainstream.
(12:13):
And that's because people couldn't believe that if you do
something so simple as connect to the Earth's surface, that
your body is going to start feeling better, that you're
going to start feeling better, I mean, and then also
you got to think about it. Western medicine is really
really focused on capitalization, right, It's based on how much
(12:36):
money they can make. And so with something and the
most important health discovery of life, I think, which is grounding,
I mean, it could solve so many problems in my opinion,
and so they don't want that because people will not
need to go in and get their pills every week, right,
they will not need to go into the doctor and
(12:58):
get these surgeries all the time because people will start
getting healthier. So I feel like mainstream and western medicine
especially does not want this to be public and well
known because it would just you know, it would ruin
the dollar sign.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Can you share another case study from either volume of
The Mother Earth Effect?
Speaker 3 (13:21):
Yes, yes, So there's another woman. She was actually had
liver thorrhosis, throsis of the liver, and you know, it
didn't have very long to live, that's how bad the
soorhosis was. And unfortunately, you know, she was you know,
at that end state, and so the doctors were not
(13:43):
predicting that she would live much longer. So she actually
met Olivia at a conference and Olivia grounded her and
this woman she still has soorrosis of the liver, but
she is still with us today and a half years
after she met Olivia, which is another incredible story. I mean,
(14:06):
it's just time and time again I hear these things
and then even speaking on grounding and earthing, Richard, I
have spoken to hundreds, hundreds of people that I have
grounded and educated about this modality of this beautiful, beautiful healing. Right.
I have gotten so many testimonials and so many people
(14:27):
coming back to me like this has completely shifted my life.
I mean, chronic pain significantly reduced sleep. I mean, sleep
is so important for the body, it's the most important.
If you're not getting good sleep, your brain and body
is not detoxing, so you're you know, you're walking around
(14:48):
toxic and that is probably the top top cause of
inflammation in the body when you don't when you're not
able to detox properly, and people, especially especially in America,
are so stressed and they're not getting the full seven
eight hours of sleep that you need for the body's
(15:08):
health to be able to recover. So what grounding does
is it helps you to get into the great states
of sleep to optimize your sleep and to get enough
of it right. So, I mean, you're you're just so many,
so many testimonials of people just just coming back to
me like this is completely shift in my life, and
(15:29):
just the thanks that I get, you know, it's it's
so heartfelt. I mean, this is so important to me
and my soul just because of how many people I
know that this has helped.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
So it almost seems it almost seems too easy. I
can I maybe this is why the medical establishment is
so suspicious. What do you mean you just walk on
barefoot in the grass or you know, yes, you have
other you know technology that can simulate or replicate that,
But walking around barefoot on the grass is going to
(16:03):
you know, have a cure your chronic conditions or alleviate arthritis.
It's just too simple.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Do you hear that?
Speaker 2 (16:11):
A lot? Do people come back to you say, oh,
this is just too.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Simple all the time, all the time, Richard, I do
I hear it. I mean people really they don't believe it.
And I think it's because we've been conditioned so much
that we need to depend on, you know, doctors to
tell us how we feel, and we just need to,
you know, depend on the pill like we have, just
(16:34):
putting put so much power outside of ourselves.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
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Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
We are back with Elizabeth Carson, co author of Mother
Earth Effects Volumes one and two, and she's busy working
on volume three. So let's dive into some maybe some
case studies from either volume one or two from Mother
Earth Effects. What are people saying, I mean, we can't
make medical claims, but we you know, anecdotally, when people
(00:28):
are exposing themselves to these negative ions coming from the
Earth's surface through grounding, earthing, what are they telling you?
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Well, there's a very very interesting story that I was
actually present for, and this blew my mind and filled
this whole concept about earthing and grounding to me. Actually,
so the first time in person that I met mister
quint Albert and beautiful Olivia Ramirez Smith with my co author,
(00:59):
I knew that I was meeting them, so I had
brought one of my friends named Brisa, and Brisa had
a pond stroke And for people that don't know what
that is, it's basically where you get locked in your body.
So she had a stroke and she was conscious the
entire time, locked in her body, was not able to move,
(01:20):
was not able to talk, and you know, I'm so
glad that she's still here with us today that they
didn't pull the plug because she was conscious the whole time,
and so she was unconscious, not unconscious, but she was,
you know, unable to move and in the hospital for
an extended period of time. She couldn't breathe on her own,
she couldn't eat on her own, so they had to
(01:43):
put a drake in her throat. And so in doing
this and having that drake for so many months that
she was down, she would have to go back in
after she recovered from the stroke, she would have to
go back into the hospital to basically have surgery every
three months to get the scar tissue that would grow
(02:03):
in the place where the track was in her throat
so she was able to eat and breathe right. So
every three months she would have to keep going back
to the hospital to get this procedure done so she
was able to function properly. So I knew that she was,
you know, had this stroke, and I just felt in
my soul that something like grounding, that grounding was going
(02:24):
to help her. So I had her come to this
meeting with Clinton Olivia, and so we're all sitting in
this room in California, and Brisa walks in, and as
she walks in, she's whispering, and she's like, hey, guys,
so good to see everybody. And her voice was very
very soft in a whisper. And so I'm like, Brisa,
(02:46):
what's going on? And so she started to explain her story.
She sat down across from Clint, and while she was
talking about her story, Clint grounded her with a patch.
So she took the palm of her hands and put
a patch right in the palm of her hand, plugged
it into the outlet, and Brisa continued to sit there
and tell her story. So she's talking about the stroke
(03:07):
and she's talking about the reason why she's whispering. She
had just gotten in and over the surgery, I think
a week prior to this meeting, so she's still I mean,
it takes a while to recover from this procedure. Her voice.
You can't really talk very much afterwards, and you can't
really eat much. You definitely can't eat solid foods after
(03:28):
this procedure for a couple of weeks. So she had
just gotten this then, and as we're sitting there, I'm
watching this whole thing happen. I'm looking at Brisa and
I'm like, this is weird because there's a red mark
on her throat. And so I'm staring at this red
mark and it becomes more pronounced, and then it becomes
(03:49):
it looks like a perfect circle. And so I was like, guys,
do you see her throwings? She all right? You know,
there's there's a circle around her throat. And then as
I'm saying that, I'm looking at her face now and
her face the color, the pink is coming back to
her cheeks and her face. And then I'm also noticing
that her whisper has turned into a very soft tone
(04:12):
of voice from he guys to hey guys, and I
start freaking out right, I stand up. I'm like, okay,
I know everyone's seeing this. There's a red dot on
her throat. She's talking, you know, she's not whispering anymore.
I'm like, what is happening here? And at that moment,
Brisa she didn't know what was happening, and so she
starts feeling her face and she's like, what's going on?
(04:34):
I feel a little tingly, And so Clinton starts to
explain to her that you're getting blood flow, right, your
circulation is starting to move. Your fluids and your body
are starting to move, and so the red dot on
your throat is actually blood being brought to that area,
because as you know, when blood goes to different areas,
(04:55):
blood is the carrier of nutrition, right, so blood, you
know that that circle in her throat was brain nutrition
and healing to that area where she had just gotten
this surgery. I mean, the color was coming back in
her face. She was able to speak. She wasn't talking
like how I am, but she definitely was not whispering anymore.
(05:17):
And she was almost scared, like, what's going on. I
don't know, I don't know what this is, And she
said I feel tingly and Clint is you know, reassuring
her and letting her know that this is normal and
you're finally getting proper blood flows to different areas. And
so my mind is blown at this time. And as
we leave the meeting, I'm like, Brisa, let me know
(05:38):
how this goes. You know, we've gifted her with some
earthing stuff. So she left that meeting and for the
first time since she started having these surgeries, she was
able to go to a restaurant and eat solid food.
And this this blew my mind. And I talked to
her about a month after that meeting and she said
(06:00):
that she was sleeping through the night for the first
time in her life. She was able to, you know,
have the surgery and eat solid foods. She went straight
over to her family's house after this meeting and just
to tell them about this, and she was so excited
and they were so surprised when she walked in because
of her tone of voice. She was not whispering. And
so grounding for her has completely shifted her life, and
(06:24):
now she is a huge advocate for it because of
the changes in her life that grounding has made. I mean,
she had a lot of things happened from you know,
being locked in her body. I think it was eleven months,
and so she had a lot of problems and issues
after this stroke, and so grounding for her has almost
(06:46):
brought her back to life, brought her health back where
she's almost able to behave normally, live, normally, sleep through
the night. I mean, it's just incredible what grounding and
earthing has done for her.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Does she still have the scar tissue building up in
her I guess her trach yet? Does she still have
to have that and remove surgically or did that go
away with the grounding?
Speaker 3 (07:09):
You know what, Richard, I'm so happy to say this
that now she does not have to go back every
three months, that it actually is over a year, over
a year. Now. She's been grounding now for I think
four or five six years, and so now she doesn't
have to go in as often as she used to.
She does still have to go in, but I mean
(07:31):
a year after like three months to a year, I mean,
it's just so much relief in her life. So, I mean,
it was incredible. I literally watched this all happen with
my eyes. So this really sold me on this. This
really did.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
In the book, I mean, there are some personal stories
where the healing is like the one that you just told,
where it seemed very rapid, the benefits were almost immediate.
Others he sort of gradual improvement. Why do you suppose
that is?
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Well, you know what I feel like autoimmune disease. When
when that happens, it ravages your body, right, so your
your body and immune system is turning on each other
pretty much. And so after the damage has been done,
Let's say a person with MS right multiple, I mean
a person with MS the damage is significant within the body. Right,
(08:26):
So a person with MS actually when is they're grounded,
the damage is not happening current, right, But because of
all the damage that has done prior, I think that
it takes a while for grounding to really go in
and and heal the body because of the damage. So,
for instance, there's another story, beautiful story in our book
(08:49):
about a woman with endometriosis, and she was told her
whole life that she would not be able to have children,
that it was impossible for her to have kids, and
she shouldn't even try because of the rest.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Right. Endemy drosis is sort of like scar tissue and
the uterine lining.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Yes, yes, a bunch of scar tissues that builds up,
and yeah, it just ravages the inside of your uterus
for women, I mean extremely extremely painful as well. And
so I mean the woman in the book, she really
she even talks about how painful this is, and I
can't even imagine the torture that she lived through with
(09:29):
this this you know, disease. So I mean she was
crushed because you know, her life, all her life, all
she wanted to do is be a mother. And so
all of these doctors after you know, trying to. She
went in with her her husband at the time, and
you know, they always just denied, you could not have
(09:49):
a kid. You could not have a kid, You cannot
have a kid. And luckily her significant other is actually
Olivia's son, and so he introduced her to grounding, and
you know, her process of healing it did take a while.
I mean, it was not immediate. The damage in her
body was significant, so you know, right away she didn't
(10:10):
get relief, but she did see changes in her sleep
almost immediately. Almost immediately she was able to sleep longer hours.
So after a couple months of grounding, she would go
back into the doctor and visit the doctor, and the
doctor would say, you know, this actually is looking better,
and she was complaining less about pain, and through the
(10:33):
test they were seeing that she was getting better and
they were like, what are you doing? You know, what
is going on? And you know, she she let them know,
but they, you know, doctors didn't really explore that further.
So another six months goes down the line. Now she's pregnant. Pregnant,
(10:54):
so through grounding and earthing, I mean, her journey with
this is so incredible. Now she has two children, two
children with her husband. She grounds every day she has,
you know, the pain, I think, and even in the
book she talks about how it's gone down to almost nothing.
I mean she's literally gotten her life back. But it
(11:17):
did take her longer than you know, Breefe's situation. It
took her a little bit longer, but she was able
to have children. She was able to slowly feel better
and get full nights of rest from grounding and earthing. So,
I mean, I think it's because some people have so
much damage in their body that it takes them a
(11:37):
little bit longer to get back to house than others.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
How does orthodox medicine view earthing or grounding? Are they suspicious?
Are they skeptical?
Speaker 3 (11:50):
I would say absolutely are yes. I mean a Clint
at this point has has proven the science. But even
when I got introduced to grounding, probably you know, eight
years ago, it was so woo woo, right quote unquote
woo woo. It's like, yeah, earthing, grounding is for hippies,
you know, it was kind of just shunned in mainstream.
(12:13):
And that's because people couldn't believe that if you do
something so simple as connect to the Earth's surface, that
your body is going to start feeling better, that you're
going to start feeling better, I mean, and then also
you got to think about it. Western medicine is really
really focused on capitalization, right, It's based on how much
(12:36):
money they can make. And so with something and the
most important health discovery of life, I think, which is grounding,
I mean, it could solve so many problems in my opinion,
and so they don't want that because people will not
need to go in and get their pills every week, right,
they will not need to go into the doctor and
(12:58):
get these surgeries all the time because people will start
getting healthier. So I feel like mainstream and western medicine
especially does not want this to be public and well
known because it would just you know, it would ruin
the dollar sign.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Can you share another case study from either volume of
The Mother Earth Effect?
Speaker 3 (13:21):
Yes, yes, So there's another woman. She was actually had
liver thorrhosis, throsis of the liver, and you know, it
didn't have very long to live, that's how bad the
soorhosis was. And unfortunately, you know, she was you know,
at that end state, and so the doctors were not
(13:43):
predicting that she would live much longer. So she actually
met Olivia at a conference and Olivia grounded her and
this woman she still has soorrosis of the liver, but
she is still with us today and a half years
after she met Olivia, which is another incredible story. I mean,
(14:06):
it's just time and time again I hear these things
and then even speaking on grounding and earthing, Richard, I
have spoken to hundreds, hundreds of people that I have
grounded and educated about this modality of this beautiful, beautiful healing. Right.
I have gotten so many testimonials and so many people
(14:27):
coming back to me like this has completely shifted my life.
I mean, chronic pain significantly reduced sleep. I mean, sleep
is so important for the body, it's the most important.
If you're not getting good sleep, your brain and body
is not detoxing, so you're you know, you're walking around
(14:48):
toxic and that is probably the top top cause of
inflammation in the body when you don't when you're not
able to detox properly, and people, especially especially in America,
are so stressed and they're not getting the full seven
eight hours of sleep that you need for the body's
(15:08):
health to be able to recover. So what grounding does
is it helps you to get into the great states
of sleep to optimize your sleep and to get enough
of it right. So, I mean, you're you're just so many,
so many testimonials of people just just coming back to
me like this is completely shift in my life, and
(15:29):
just the thanks that I get, you know, it's it's
so heartfelt. I mean, this is so important to me
and my soul just because of how many people I
know that this has helped.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
So it almost seems it almost seems too easy. I
can I maybe this is why the medical establishment is
so suspicious. What do you mean you just walk on
barefoot in the grass or you know, yes, you have
other you know technology that can simulate or replicate that,
But walking around barefoot on the grass is going to
(16:03):
you know, have a cure your chronic conditions or alleviate arthritis.
It's just too simple.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Do you hear that?
Speaker 2 (16:11):
A lot? Do people come back to you say, oh,
this is just too.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Simple all the time, all the time, Richard, I do
I hear it. I mean people really they don't believe it.
And I think it's because we've been conditioned so much
that we need to depend on, you know, doctors to
tell us how we feel, and we just need to,
you know, depend on the pill like we have, just
(16:34):
putting put so much power outside of ourselves.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
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