January 29, 2025 • 16 mins
George Noory and author Craig Weiler explore research to prove the link between psychic abilities and physics, whether psychic abilities occur inside or outside of the mind, and why some people are more psychically inclined than others.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now here's a highlight from Coast to coast AM on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Man, welcome back to George Nori with you, Craig Weiler
with us. Craig, the science of parapsychology is it difficult
to prove.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
It's actually not, it's although the answer to that is
a little bit complicated because of how science works. So
parapsychology is typically a what they call it statistical science.
In other words, you test something based upon whether it
beats chance results. So for example, if you were picking
(00:40):
one out of five cards and you did that better
than one out of five, then something is going on, right,
You're if you're doing better than one out of five,
when you have five choices and you're doing better than that,
then you're doing something what they call anomalous.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
If you're doing three out of five, right, you're doing.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Three out of five, you're doing something. And that's something
is what they call psychicability, and that's how they prove
it by doing statistics. You know, if you're beating chance results,
then something is happening. And since we're testing for psychic ability,
that's what that is.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
What experiments have been conducted to test.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
You know, when you talk about experiments, it gets kind
of complicated because the objective is to cut out all
the things that might interfere. So, you know, let's just
take something relatively simple like the gun stuff. This is
a telepathy test that I mentioned earlier. So you have
a sender and you have a receiver. They're in completely
(01:45):
different rooms, far away from each other, so that they
can't talk, they can't pass messages, they can't do anything
to connect with each other. The sender gets four choices
of pictures to send to the receiver, and the receiver
just basically sits in this space where they can't really
see anything, they can't really feel anything. It's just sort
(02:09):
of this sensory deprivation kind of state, and they just
sort of let their mind wander and they if they're
getting images, then they talk it out so that somebody
can record that, and then when they're all done, somebody
else the judge will look at whether what they described
was actually what the person was sending. Out of those
(02:31):
four tries, which one was the closest. And so that's
a typical experiment.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Right there that improves what.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
If the person is better than one out of four
and they're sending this message and this person's receiving it
more often than one out of four times, then that
demonstrates that telepathy is actually happening. They're actually sending the
picture mentally because if.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
You beat one out of four, beyond luck.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Right, and typically this experiment will be around thirty two
to thirty three percent, sometimes up to thirty.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Four, and that it is parapsychology considered it controversial.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
It is, and it's mostly it's not because of the
science itself, because every time somebody criticizes it, they really
can't say it, and that's kind of where they go
with it. There are some criticisms of experiments, but once
(03:35):
you look at the criticisms, they don't really hold up well.
But it continues to be something that nobody wants to
nobody wants to engage with or talk about, and it's
just it's very, very slow getting it out into the mainstream.
(03:55):
It's happening, but it's it is very snail's pace, and
it's because people resist, uh the ideas of what happened.
What is this universe like if psychic ability exists and
it's much different from what they think it is.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
How do you find the stories for your paranormal daily news.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Well, for me personally, I use the Parapsychological Association conferences
to see what they've what they've done, because they'll have
their conference and a lot of papers will be presented
and that will and these papers will and also the
(04:39):
their lectures will tell me what, you know, what's been
discovered recently? Uh and in what are they up to?
So some of this stuff is kind of dry, like,
for example, the one when one researcher gathered absolutely every
every paper and scientific information on that had been printed
(05:06):
on physical mediumship. He just collected it all, got it
all in one place and cataloged it and that was
his project. Another person did much the same thing. I
can't remember. I think it was with remote viewing where
they were gathering all the different studies together because this
(05:28):
dates back fifty sixty years of stuff that needed cataloging.
And then you have other people that for example, there
was one set of people that tested whether parapsychology researchers
and skeptics think alike. So they did a study on that.
There was something on remote viewing. And these are really
(05:50):
you know, you know, when I write about stuff, I
look at what can I what sort of this stuff
can I give to the public where I can explain
I need in a way that people will understand. And
so from this lift, I pick and choose what I
think I can what I can give to the public
that's relatable.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
You think if there were a poll taken in the
belief of parapsychology, it would be higher, medium or low.
Now this audience would be extremely high.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
So Gallup did a poll I think in two thousand
and four, two thousand and five, and every time somebody's
done the poll, it's been pretty consistent. Is about seventy
five percent of the population has some sort of a
paranormal belief they believe in something, and then some around
(06:46):
ten or fifteen percent or don't believe in anything at all.
And that number doesn't really change over.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Time at all.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Uh, you know, a little bit here and there, but
you know, it might go from it might drop from
seventy five to seventy or it might go up to
seventy seven or seventy eight or something, but it doesn't
move much. That needle pretty much stays the same. And
I think it's because people have experiences, and if they
(07:20):
have an experience that they realize is psychic, then they
tend to believe in that particular side of psychic ability,
but not necessarily other ones.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Craig, what does it tell you about parapsychology and the
human body, the fact that it happens.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
When it comes to the human body. What parapsychology has
shown me is that what you think, how your mind works,
what stays in your mind all the time, has a
massive effect on your body that really there's almost no
difference between them. You can tell by how how you're feeling,
(08:02):
whether it's a chronic illness or whether you're a healthy
person or whatever. This is a mirror of what's going
on in your mind, and there's really not a lot
of difference between the two. That that line is very blurry.
If that's that's a major thing that has shown me
that you know, for example, for myself, when I'm having
poor health, there's an emotional issue involved, and if you
(08:27):
if you dive in and you can unlock that emotion
from being shut down, then not it's not just healing
in the mind that occurs, but also the body.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Do you think parapsychology works outside of the mind.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Yes, that's been shown in scientific testing, so psychic ability.
They've demonstrated that telekinesis is the thing that they're actually
you're actually.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Uh that's moving objects.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Yeah, moving objects. Uh, You're you're you're creating something outside
of your mind. And while it's a very if you're
doing it deliberately, it's generally when they tested, it's a
very very small effect. But you know, we've all heard
stories of people doing something far more incredible with their minds.
There's there's all kinds of documentations of poltergeist. Stuff is
(09:28):
literally flying around the room. Uh so yeah, I mean,
the the mind is definitely operating outside of the physical
body and stuff's going on. How much we really don't know.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
It is tremendously enlightening when it works, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Yeah, And you know it's it's it's kind of like
if you're doing sports and you're in the zone, how
you just kind of you in a flow and everything
just seems easy and natural and effortless. And that's kind
of how psychic ability works. You have to kind of
be in that flow for everything to move properly. And
(10:14):
if you have a whole bunch of doubts and fears
and whatnot, those will interfere with it.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
There are so many things outside of humankind knowledge that
just is just mind boggling, isn't it, Craig, I think so.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
When you look at the when you look at the
science the psychic ability, one of the things that struck
me was how much we don't know and how much
we can't know.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
That.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
You know, when you're dealing with the mind, you know,
science can only deal with what it can measure. If
you can't measure it, science has nothing to say about it.
And that's an important thing that you have to understand,
or that people need to understand about science, is that
it has that limitation that we're only doing things that
(11:08):
we can measure. So therefore, if something is unmeasurable, whether
and that includes what you're feeling and what you're experiencing,
you really can't address that scientifically. We don't know what's
going on in people's minds. We can't measure that scientifically,
So we don't and because reality is coming out of
(11:29):
our minds, we don't really know that much.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Why are some people more psychically inclined than others?
Speaker 3 (11:41):
That's an excellent question, and I think part of it
is that psychic people people can are more psychic. For example,
when they're closer to their emotions, they might have less
fear of things being out of the ordinary, that is
to say, more open personality, less less rigid U. Certainly
(12:04):
people with very rigid personalities have difficulty with psychic ability. Empathetic, open,
you know, caring about other people is typically something that
will will do this because when you're when you're empathetic,
you're you're thinking about other people. You're you're trying to
(12:25):
make connections, and that is definitely something that increases psychic ability.
For example, one of the one group that is one
of the highest for experiencing U psychic ability is elderly
people who have lost their spouse, who have you know who,
who shared their lives with this person for a very
(12:47):
long time then lost them. They maintain that connection after death.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Sometimes they die right after that. Yeah, but broken heart.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Yeah, And it's usually the men for some women seem
to be more resilient that way. But the thing is
that they maintained this connection. And you'll have the surviving
spouse say, oh, yeah, he or she is with me,
and they've they've been for a very long time. They
feel that connection there and that sometimes they have communication
(13:20):
with them.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
When you wrote your book cy Wars back in twenty twenty,
what was your rationale for that?
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Well, I have this, I had this scientific controversy that
had occurred in twenty thirteen. I did an unpublished version
of the book back then, and the controversy pretty much
summed up everything that was going on in the field
at the time. Because when Ted shut down the Talk
(13:57):
of parapsychologist Rupert Shewed and took it offline, it created
a firestorm of controversy, and this controversy mirrored what was
happening in the scientific world. And because this thing, the
whole thing dragged on for about a month and a
half and it really illuminated all the different areas where
(14:19):
this conflict was taking place. And it was just a
perfect opportunity to have a story to share about what
was going on. It's a focal point and also be
able to provide all the background data that showed why
we're at this one why we're at this one point,
how we got here, and that controversy with Ted and
(14:42):
Rupert Childrake was just a perfect way to do that.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
What do you think peeris psychology will one day prove
beyond the shadow of a doubt.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Well, if the rest of the sciences are willing to
look at the data, it will prove that psychic humility exists.
And then once that's proven, it's a very short hop
to demonstrate that consciousness is fundamental to reality. That it's
that our minds are literally a fundamental part of the universe.
(15:17):
It's it's not this, it's not this thing that's only
stuck inside of our brain, our heads and then dies
when we die. It's the living thing. And I think
that'll when we make that leap, it'll completely change things.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Is it tied into the universe or even beyond that.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
The way to describe it is the mind isn't just
tied into the universe. The mind is part of it.
In the universe is part of it. It's a very
difficult concept because you're talking about something that's beyond space
and time, and we are so locked into the idea
of space and time that holistic approach is very, very
(16:02):
foreign to us. But the fact is that we are
as much as the universe as the universe is us.
In other words, we create, the universe creates, and we're
all part of the same thing.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Listen, to more. Coast to Coast AM every weeknight at
one am Eastern and go to Coast to coastam dot
com for more
Now here's a highlight from Coast to coast AM on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Man, welcome back to George Nori with you, Craig Weiler
with us. Craig, the science of parapsychology is it difficult
to prove.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
It's actually not, it's although the answer to that is
a little bit complicated because of how science works. So
parapsychology is typically a what they call it statistical science.
In other words, you test something based upon whether it
beats chance results. So for example, if you were picking
(00:40):
one out of five cards and you did that better
than one out of five, then something is going on, right,
You're if you're doing better than one out of five,
when you have five choices and you're doing better than that,
then you're doing something what they call anomalous.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
If you're doing three out of five, right, you're doing.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Three out of five, you're doing something. And that's something
is what they call psychicability, and that's how they prove
it by doing statistics. You know, if you're beating chance results,
then something is happening. And since we're testing for psychic ability,
that's what that is.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
What experiments have been conducted to test.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
You know, when you talk about experiments, it gets kind
of complicated because the objective is to cut out all
the things that might interfere. So, you know, let's just
take something relatively simple like the gun stuff. This is
a telepathy test that I mentioned earlier. So you have
a sender and you have a receiver. They're in completely
(01:45):
different rooms, far away from each other, so that they
can't talk, they can't pass messages, they can't do anything
to connect with each other. The sender gets four choices
of pictures to send to the receiver, and the receiver
just basically sits in this space where they can't really
see anything, they can't really feel anything. It's just sort
(02:09):
of this sensory deprivation kind of state, and they just
sort of let their mind wander and they if they're
getting images, then they talk it out so that somebody
can record that, and then when they're all done, somebody
else the judge will look at whether what they described
was actually what the person was sending. Out of those
(02:31):
four tries, which one was the closest. And so that's
a typical experiment.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Right there that improves what.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
If the person is better than one out of four
and they're sending this message and this person's receiving it
more often than one out of four times, then that
demonstrates that telepathy is actually happening. They're actually sending the
picture mentally because if.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
You beat one out of four, beyond luck.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Right, and typically this experiment will be around thirty two
to thirty three percent, sometimes up to thirty.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Four, and that it is parapsychology considered it controversial.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
It is, and it's mostly it's not because of the
science itself, because every time somebody criticizes it, they really
can't say it, and that's kind of where they go
with it. There are some criticisms of experiments, but once
(03:35):
you look at the criticisms, they don't really hold up well.
But it continues to be something that nobody wants to
nobody wants to engage with or talk about, and it's
just it's very, very slow getting it out into the mainstream.
(03:55):
It's happening, but it's it is very snail's pace, and
it's because people resist, uh the ideas of what happened.
What is this universe like if psychic ability exists and
it's much different from what they think it is.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
How do you find the stories for your paranormal daily news.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Well, for me personally, I use the Parapsychological Association conferences
to see what they've what they've done, because they'll have
their conference and a lot of papers will be presented
and that will and these papers will and also the
(04:39):
their lectures will tell me what, you know, what's been
discovered recently? Uh and in what are they up to?
So some of this stuff is kind of dry, like,
for example, the one when one researcher gathered absolutely every
every paper and scientific information on that had been printed
(05:06):
on physical mediumship. He just collected it all, got it
all in one place and cataloged it and that was
his project. Another person did much the same thing. I
can't remember. I think it was with remote viewing where
they were gathering all the different studies together because this
(05:28):
dates back fifty sixty years of stuff that needed cataloging.
And then you have other people that for example, there
was one set of people that tested whether parapsychology researchers
and skeptics think alike. So they did a study on that.
There was something on remote viewing. And these are really
(05:50):
you know, you know, when I write about stuff, I
look at what can I what sort of this stuff
can I give to the public where I can explain
I need in a way that people will understand. And
so from this lift, I pick and choose what I
think I can what I can give to the public
that's relatable.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
You think if there were a poll taken in the
belief of parapsychology, it would be higher, medium or low.
Now this audience would be extremely high.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
So Gallup did a poll I think in two thousand
and four, two thousand and five, and every time somebody's
done the poll, it's been pretty consistent. Is about seventy
five percent of the population has some sort of a
paranormal belief they believe in something, and then some around
(06:46):
ten or fifteen percent or don't believe in anything at all.
And that number doesn't really change over.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Time at all.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
Uh, you know, a little bit here and there, but
you know, it might go from it might drop from
seventy five to seventy or it might go up to
seventy seven or seventy eight or something, but it doesn't
move much. That needle pretty much stays the same. And
I think it's because people have experiences, and if they
(07:20):
have an experience that they realize is psychic, then they
tend to believe in that particular side of psychic ability,
but not necessarily other ones.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Craig, what does it tell you about parapsychology and the
human body, the fact that it happens.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
When it comes to the human body. What parapsychology has
shown me is that what you think, how your mind works,
what stays in your mind all the time, has a
massive effect on your body that really there's almost no
difference between them. You can tell by how how you're feeling,
(08:02):
whether it's a chronic illness or whether you're a healthy
person or whatever. This is a mirror of what's going
on in your mind, and there's really not a lot
of difference between the two. That that line is very blurry.
If that's that's a major thing that has shown me
that you know, for example, for myself, when I'm having
poor health, there's an emotional issue involved, and if you
(08:27):
if you dive in and you can unlock that emotion
from being shut down, then not it's not just healing
in the mind that occurs, but also the body.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Do you think parapsychology works outside of the mind.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Yes, that's been shown in scientific testing, so psychic ability.
They've demonstrated that telekinesis is the thing that they're actually
you're actually.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Uh that's moving objects.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Yeah, moving objects. Uh, You're you're you're creating something outside
of your mind. And while it's a very if you're
doing it deliberately, it's generally when they tested, it's a
very very small effect. But you know, we've all heard
stories of people doing something far more incredible with their minds.
There's there's all kinds of documentations of poltergeist. Stuff is
(09:28):
literally flying around the room. Uh so yeah, I mean,
the the mind is definitely operating outside of the physical
body and stuff's going on. How much we really don't know.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
It is tremendously enlightening when it works, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Yeah, And you know it's it's it's kind of like
if you're doing sports and you're in the zone, how
you just kind of you in a flow and everything
just seems easy and natural and effortless. And that's kind
of how psychic ability works. You have to kind of
be in that flow for everything to move properly. And
(10:14):
if you have a whole bunch of doubts and fears
and whatnot, those will interfere with it.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
There are so many things outside of humankind knowledge that
just is just mind boggling, isn't it, Craig, I think so.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
When you look at the when you look at the
science the psychic ability, one of the things that struck
me was how much we don't know and how much
we can't know.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
That.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
You know, when you're dealing with the mind, you know,
science can only deal with what it can measure. If
you can't measure it, science has nothing to say about it.
And that's an important thing that you have to understand,
or that people need to understand about science, is that
it has that limitation that we're only doing things that
(11:08):
we can measure. So therefore, if something is unmeasurable, whether
and that includes what you're feeling and what you're experiencing,
you really can't address that scientifically. We don't know what's
going on in people's minds. We can't measure that scientifically,
So we don't and because reality is coming out of
(11:29):
our minds, we don't really know that much.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Why are some people more psychically inclined than others?
Speaker 3 (11:41):
That's an excellent question, and I think part of it
is that psychic people people can are more psychic. For example,
when they're closer to their emotions, they might have less
fear of things being out of the ordinary, that is
to say, more open personality, less less rigid U. Certainly
(12:04):
people with very rigid personalities have difficulty with psychic ability. Empathetic, open,
you know, caring about other people is typically something that
will will do this because when you're when you're empathetic,
you're you're thinking about other people. You're you're trying to
(12:25):
make connections, and that is definitely something that increases psychic ability.
For example, one of the one group that is one
of the highest for experiencing U psychic ability is elderly
people who have lost their spouse, who have you know who,
who shared their lives with this person for a very
(12:47):
long time then lost them. They maintain that connection after death.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Sometimes they die right after that. Yeah, but broken heart.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Yeah, And it's usually the men for some women seem
to be more resilient that way. But the thing is
that they maintained this connection. And you'll have the surviving
spouse say, oh, yeah, he or she is with me,
and they've they've been for a very long time. They
feel that connection there and that sometimes they have communication
(13:20):
with them.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
When you wrote your book cy Wars back in twenty twenty,
what was your rationale for that?
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Well, I have this, I had this scientific controversy that
had occurred in twenty thirteen. I did an unpublished version
of the book back then, and the controversy pretty much
summed up everything that was going on in the field
at the time. Because when Ted shut down the Talk
(13:57):
of parapsychologist Rupert Shewed and took it offline, it created
a firestorm of controversy, and this controversy mirrored what was
happening in the scientific world. And because this thing, the
whole thing dragged on for about a month and a
half and it really illuminated all the different areas where
(14:19):
this conflict was taking place. And it was just a
perfect opportunity to have a story to share about what
was going on. It's a focal point and also be
able to provide all the background data that showed why
we're at this one why we're at this one point,
how we got here, and that controversy with Ted and
(14:42):
Rupert Childrake was just a perfect way to do that.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
What do you think peeris psychology will one day prove
beyond the shadow of a doubt.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Well, if the rest of the sciences are willing to
look at the data, it will prove that psychic humility exists.
And then once that's proven, it's a very short hop
to demonstrate that consciousness is fundamental to reality. That it's
that our minds are literally a fundamental part of the universe.
(15:17):
It's it's not this, it's not this thing that's only
stuck inside of our brain, our heads and then dies
when we die. It's the living thing. And I think
that'll when we make that leap, it'll completely change things.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Is it tied into the universe or even beyond that.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
The way to describe it is the mind isn't just
tied into the universe. The mind is part of it.
In the universe is part of it. It's a very
difficult concept because you're talking about something that's beyond space
and time, and we are so locked into the idea
of space and time that holistic approach is very, very
(16:02):
foreign to us. But the fact is that we are
as much as the universe as the universe is us.
In other words, we create, the universe creates, and we're
all part of the same thing.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Listen, to more. Coast to Coast AM every weeknight at
one am Eastern and go to Coast to coastam dot
com for more
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